July 29, 2025: Remembering Hulk Hogan

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Such change. St al Right, it is Tuesday night in

(01:46):
Tuny Town, and that can only mean one thing. It
is time for the fastest rising pro wrestling livestream podcast
on the Internet. Today, it is time for Tuny Talk Wrestling. Folks,
my name is Marvin or I'm the Movie Monster, and
we come. Do you want a more somber episode of
Tony Talk Wrestling. I mean, we're still gonna have a
couple of laughs. We're still gonna you know, poke, a
little fun crack, a little wise. But for the most part,

(02:07):
tonight's episode is about remembering a man who defined what
it was to be a professional wrestler, who defined what
it was, what professional wrestling was to a lot of people.
And yes, obviously professional wrestling existed long before the Great
Terry Blaahull Cogan, and it will continue to exist long after.
But within the wwf uh you know, exploded onto cable

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networks in you know, in the in the eighties, and
he was the guy. He was the superhero. He was
the guy that captured the the entire nation's attention and
admiration and respect, and for that we all owe him
quite a bit. And we are going to be counting
down a lot of Hogan memories. We're gonna be talking

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about a bunch of Hogan matches, and we are going
to be talking about what other people are talking about
for better or worse, because a lot of people have
said a lot of really heartwarming things. I mean, Jimmy Hart,
you know, Rick Flair, the Rock and then of course
Dave Meltzer was an idiot, because Dave Meltzer is an idiot. So, uh,

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let's bring on our expert panel here tonight. First off,
the one and only producer of this show, well co
producer with aw Neckbeard, but uh disciplinary himself aw Disciplinary
okais Hi.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Before before we went on Awful, it's like, maybe we
shouldn't do the intros and just bring it, bring it,
bring us on right away.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
And I said no, no, no, don't do that. And
the reason was was.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Because I thought I might get choked up during the intro.
And I did get choked up during the intro.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Well, I've done my job.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Well you didn't know, I'm awful.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
You got me choked. Oh I thought it was my
words that No, no.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
No, I was I was regaining my composure after the thing.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
That makes sense?

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah yeah, yeahs all right, Well, Awful Wrestling is also here.
He made that that wonderful intro.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
Thank you very much, awful appreciate it, guys, Thank you
pleasure to be here again tonight.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
I am foregoing the the typical you know, intro videos
and stuff like that, just because we're being a little
bit more serious at least in the beginning of the show.
There will be time for the yuck yucks later, I'm sure.
But that being said, I also have to bring into
the show. Just got here in the backstage area, the
one and only mister Kevin Apolo.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
It's up, boys, Kevin Apolo, fresh.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Off the debut of your new show Late Night with
Laurena and Apollo from Friday Night on the ww pro channel.
I was there for the first episode. Fantastic episode. I
had such a great time, and you guys are doing
it again tonight at eleven pm.

Speaker 6 (04:50):
Are you Are you coming tonight or are we?

Speaker 1 (04:53):
I wasn't sure if I was invited tonight, so nobody
asked me, but I would love let me see how
I feel by the end of this show and what
I have left to do. If not that, I'm definitely
down for Friday. But yeah, guys, huge, huge loss this
week with the world losing the one and Only Hull

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Cogan and guys, we're gonna be giving a lot of
our thoughts in our opinions and our memories of the
one and only Hull Cogan tonight, but we are also
gonna be giving yours. So if you have something you
want to talk about, you have a memory or a
favorite match or anything like that super chatted on in
we will read it aloud on the air. Or if
you want to talk about something else, if you want
to bring up something that's currently going on in wrestling,

(05:35):
we will of course talk about whatever it is you
guys want to talk to. We do break for super
chats of fifty dollars and more, and I do see
one already with guys. Streamy Art is doing a weird
thing today where it's actually bringing up your YouTube user
name instead of your name. But I do know that
this one hundred dollars comes to us from Regina Sharp,
who says, who says, I understand Hogan's first words the

(05:56):
Grim Reaper, what he showed up were. It doesn't work
for me, brother. Honestly, I never liked Togan much. I
was a piper and he and fan but I'm gonna
miss him. If for no other reason, then a dog
got thrown into the lake. Yes, indeed, and and for you, Regina,
we will play that clip. Sorry, Lisa down, did you
steer shoot steer.

Speaker 7 (06:20):
That dog.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
That dog's having a time of his life. I was
realate to say.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
And Regina also says uh oh and for the record,
glow gold.

Speaker 7 (06:32):
Glow gold glow gold glow dog.

Speaker 8 (06:36):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Now it feels like Tony dog wrestling.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Hey, we just uh, we just caught that episode of
Ducktails yesterday.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Oh did you Yeah, we did the Duke Bolooney episode.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
I finally get the joke now, so.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
You finally get the duke bologne.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
The cool thing about that is that the reason why
Duke Boloney is South African is in the original Ducktails,
uh glongold was South African and not Scottish. Oh in
the original, in the original comic books, not in the
original ductalns the original. I'm gone and I always will make.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
Uti.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Uh Juan our Arraya Garcia thirty two five for two
ninety nine Australian. I think that is, says the last
WWF champion and first w WE Champion R I p brother.
Was that the month that he was champion, that was
when they switched to WA.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yes, sir, get the f out. That's when it happened.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Did not realize that it happened in that because it
was only a month right like between when he won
it from Trip and then lost the Jundertaker.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yep, and I was I was there, Yeah, I was
there that backlash to watch him beat Triple H and
the crowd was insane that night.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Was an interesting decision was made. Did you ever read
that in Trip's book? Like he made that workout book
that was also kind of an autobiography, And the only
thing I remember for it was him griping about then
an interesting decision was made.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah, and it turned out for the better. Sorry, Triple H.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Let me tell you something, No nostalgia run has ever
been handled better than Hulk Hogan's in there in the
two thousands. It was handled pitch perfectly because you brought
him in, you had to match with the Rock. You
brought him back. You had the big moments where he
came out in the red and yellow again, he came
out to real American again. You had the match with Vince.

(08:40):
You gave him a last World title run and it
was perfect. He put over guys on the way out
and on top of that, you know, that was last minute.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
All of that was last minute too, because they didn't
they didn't know Hogan was going to get that reaction
at WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
They had stuff planned, they were dead set on doing
the nWo for the rest of the year, and then
that happened and they just had to go with Some times,
it's just the simplest, easiest thing is the right thing
to do, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
I don't think they ever thought that the WWF fans
had that love for him still that they had for him.
Like I think that Vince felt like the fans hated
Hogan as much as he did, which you know, like
they don't care. It was never about him. And then
when WrestleMania happened.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
Man, that's the beauty of the WWE is you can
always go home again.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Now I had heard that they had play they they
when they got to like Access weekend for WrestleMania, that
was when like they started to realize, hey, guys, something
might be up here, because all of a sudden, people
like they were getting they were seeing the reactions. Uh,
and that was so I think they probably called the
match with the understanding that Hogan was going to get cheered,

(09:52):
but I think that that they didn't do it until
that weekend.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, honestly, I don't think a lot of the fans
thought they were going to react a whole that way
until it happened.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I know that I didn't.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
When I was sitting there watching at home, I didn't think,
you know, I went in thinking cool, the nwos and
WWF now that's neat. I like that. But I didn't
think for a second that I would become nine years
old again and jumping up and down in my living room.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
And I remember running.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Upstairs and getting my mom because I was like, you know,
I was was right before I moved out of my
parents' house, and so I like ran upstairs.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
I was like, mom, Mom, you have to come see this.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
She was like, she was like, disc you're twenty five.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
I'm not out. I'm not out.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Hey, that's about your age.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Shut up.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Now, how old were you at WrestleMania?

Speaker 5 (10:49):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (10:49):
I mean eighteen, right about eighteen? I mean I was
born yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Same, you know.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, So I think I think I think I may have.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Still been I may have still been seventeen. Yeah, you know,
I was seven.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Mean, Marvin, the young Bucks.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
If we're the young Bucks, and that's well, they can
be young Bucks aren't young anymore so Superkick.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
But it's very interesting, gentlemen, if I remember correctly, the
Rock and the Hawk Cogan that match. I mean, was
there a better match on the show, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 6 (11:24):
Like?

Speaker 5 (11:24):
What was the main event?

Speaker 7 (11:25):
Was that? Was that?

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Jericho and Jericho and Trip Yeah? Yeah, come on, no
one had any energy left for it, right based on
the dog. Now, the story, the story that's been yeah,
the story that's been to Lucy Hurst Helmsley because Jericho's
a murderer, the murder of Lucy Hurst Helmsley.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (11:52):
But the the.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
The story has always been the Triple H. And Jericho
both said that they did not want to main event
that night because Hogan and Rock was the true main event,
and Vince said no, and Jericho changed the story like
a year ago to say that he didn't want it
to be the main event. But Triple H, which I
thought was just wonderful. Jericho revisionist history.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
Jericho is now the fourth H, the Silent Age.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
He is the thing he.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Hated Gilt one on one in the chat, brought up
Taker and Flair was good that night.

Speaker 6 (12:33):
Baker and Flair was great on Teleports him out of
Nowhere and it's spinebuster.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Ever, I was just saying, when Arn materializes in the ring,
like Rick threw a poker ball and out of it
came Arn Anderson do spinebuster, it's super effective.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
The problem when they dropped the pipe and just watch
it roll.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
The problem is that it's competing with the greatest match
in the history of professional wrestling.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, so Cody. Cody has said that when he asked
his friends, what's your favorite match, if they say anything
but Hogan rock he knows that they don't understand wrestling.
It probably is my favorite match. It is the loudest
pop I have ever heard in my life. Is when
he kicks out of that rock Bottom and hooks up Huh,

(13:28):
I mean it is. Did you think that it would
have been just as big in the United States?

Speaker 2 (13:33):
No, Well, depends of where it is. It's been to
where it was, you know it wasn't New York maybe Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
Yeah. I was gonna say if Hogan was home in
the garden, yeah, then New York crowd would have given
him love. I think that that was you had to
be in Canada, especially at that point in time. Canada
had the rep of being bizarre world where heels always cheered,
So it was just it was just a perfect storm.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
And that point, like at the moment that I remember
when I think of that match, is that point because
no one did the you before that, but that night,
everyone in the arena, just through osmosis, knew that they
were supposed to say you with Hogan good Morning in
the Rock, and it happened.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
I was nine years old and they're live. That's interesting. Oh,
I can't even imagine what that must have been like live,
Like right away you knew something. We did a reaction
video to this over on the Tony Town Tounytown Wrestling Patreon,
and I believe it was meme Kevin. I don't know
if you were there, but I know dis were you

(14:41):
there for that one?

Speaker 5 (14:42):
No?

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Then it was me, Martin and Trish doing it, And
it's just it's one of the most craziest matches you
will ever watch in your entire life.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
If we wanted to do something, if we want to
do something, I wouldn't mind watching the Hogan McMahon match
at some point and talking about because I know.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
That that is that is actually my favorite Hogan match.
I know it's perfect.

Speaker 6 (15:06):
What makes the match that much more fun. I think
everybody should do this. The next to me watch it
with a group of friends is when we watched it
live my group of friends. We sold every Hogan punch,
so we just rocked from one side of the room
to the other, like it was like it was an
old episode of Star Trek to put over the power

(15:27):
enforce of whole Comedia colliding with Vince's ego.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Yeah, the best was the best was when you and
Trish had this conversation when the match started to be like,
could you imagine if Piper ran.

Speaker 9 (15:38):
In and then and then what if you said it?
And then the other one goes, yeah, but who does
he hit? And then you came to the understanding that
even if he hits both, he hits Hogan first, just
so Hogan can't escape.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
When you know and and Vince, people have been thinking
about this, but Vince had been preparing for that match
for twenty five years. Because if you've ever seen Vince
tell somebody how they're gonna do a match, he acts
it out while he's doing it, So he's been selling
Hogan punches in his mind for and backstage for you.

Speaker 7 (16:11):
Yeah, you gotta do this.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
It's it is the best Vince match that's ever happened. Ye,
and I I love how massive Vince scot for that,
because you know he was obsessed with bigger than Hogan
for that match.

Speaker 6 (16:30):
Yet that comedian we can't fit any more into your body, sir, just.

Speaker 8 (16:47):
You run.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Do you agree though, that something weird happened that Hogan
may have That doesn't work for me, brother and me?
Uh that that ending because like the the the stipulation
is if Hogan loses, he's fired, and then Hogan wins,
and then on SmackDown the next week Vince fires him.

Speaker 6 (17:10):
Anyway, well you know the story was this the limo
driver's check. Yeah, that's that's why Hogan was gone for
a few weeks.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
Oh god, bless the Hulks.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
The Oh look Travis Ban saying I was at WrestleMania
nineteen live. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
Nice You know what it was, gentlemen, It was it
was it was the camera angles in that match, Like
the cinematography in the Vince Hogan match was phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah. Well, for some reason, Kevin Done. Yeah yeah, Kevin
Done actually put effort into that one. Yeah you and
cue me by the way for four ninety nine, says
Yo Ho and glom goal.

Speaker 6 (18:10):
Forever.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Oh yes, it makes me feel old. David Chardine's belt
for five dollars. Canadians rip to Metallica's greatest bassist and
the real face of the George Foreman grill.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Oh. My favorite tweet of the week, not not a
wrestler was Justin Wang the YouTuber. He said that Ozzie
got to heaven and said he needed a basis for
his band.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
So I saw that.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
I love that one.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Oh my goodness, alright, let's see oh uh not Zach
Ryder for nineteen ninety nine, saying looking forward to what
you have to say about Hogan. I became a fan
as a kid when he teamed up with my favorite wrestler,
Sean Michaels in two thousand and five. Also, Santy with
Muscles is a guilty pleasure movie of mine, ri ip

(19:01):
hul Cogan, what are the oddssets? Actually? Zach Ryder, He's
just he's hiding it. He's hiding it so that his
woke little wife get mad that he's saying nice things
about Hogan.

Speaker 6 (19:15):
Boy, does she learn a hard lesson this weekend.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
She she quickly became one of my least favorite people
in wrestling this week.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Her and Joey Swoll to the Joey Swoll guy, Do
you see that?

Speaker 1 (19:28):
I saw that. That is why you don't bow. It's
why you don't apologize to these people. They will never
accept the apology. Hogan learned that the hard way. Yeah,
you know, like the guy went on a ten year
apology tour and tried to better himself, you know, like
like like even got like got baptized, found religion again.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
He saved someone's life.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yes, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
And if you if you look at all the comp
like Von Dudley and a lot of a lot of
guys say that he took them aside and apologized personally
to them exactly.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
Yeah, because he didn't do it. It's like you're not
in the locker. You know what conversations people had the
I have friends who live in clear Water and Tampa,
and they always said the same thing. It didn't matter
who you were, if you saw him out in public,
he stopped and would have a full out conversation with
you and take as many pictures as as you need,

(20:33):
especially if there were children.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
So I just think about this, Think about this, ken okay.
The picture right now is me taking my son to
see holkokin last year.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Almost it was. It was a week after the day
he died.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Like if it was, it was fifty one weeks to
the day, and I took him there and he had
just been at a bar the night before, stayed at
the bar until like eleven thirty twelve o'clock, went to
the store the next day at nine o'clock in the morning.
His arthritis was so bad he had to stop signing autographs. Right,
Max comes up, a ten year old eleven year old

(21:07):
kid at the time, obviously wasn't around for when Hogan
was big, obviously didn't see that stuff. What does Hogan do?
He spent three minutes talking to my son and he
gave him a memory that he will never forget. He
h We actually pulled the video. I'll let Max explain
what happened later. But he took that time to do

(21:28):
that for my son, and he didn't have to. There
were there were five six hundred people waiting in line
to get to meet Holk Hogan that day. He didn't
have to take that time, and he did. And it's
just that's who he was. You listen to Jimmy Hart.
The thing that broke him wasn't the marriage En Dean,
and it wasn't you know all that. It was the

(21:50):
fact that he had to stop performing, the fact that
he thought that his career was over, that he was,
that he lost the fans, that he lost that part
of his life that broke him back in the mid
mid two thousands, you know, and getting it back, I'm
sure was probably the great That's why he worked his
ass off this past year. And it might have been
you know, his family thinks it's the thing that killed him,

(22:11):
but you know, that's that's who he is.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
He's a performer. That's what he does.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Let's see. Uh John Williams for one is R I P.
Wrestling wouldn't be the same without you and mister Jamie
jamb for four ninety nine his side note not gonna
lie that ending on raw was fire, especially read stealing
Roman uh yes, Roman's jays and breaker yelling this is
my w w E and calling the fans fatasses.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yep, these are my ropes.

Speaker 6 (22:47):
Mine.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
That was.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I don't know whose idea that was, but that was
the hardest thing I've seen on television.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
So long, probably back to Last Action Hero. He his
shoes shut the man shut up.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
I saw somebody say that they that Bronson Reid became
wrestling debo last night.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
It would have been great if he threw the shoes
on the lighting rig.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Oh, come and get them c w J one to
eight eight for two dollars. Is imagine if the aw
A built around Hogan in eighty two and eighty three.
I don't think it would have made a difference.

Speaker 6 (23:35):
But the coming together Vince McMahon Junior and that was
kis myth. They were they were made for each other.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, because vern Vern never would have gone for the
cable stuff and Verne never would have broke the territory
slave instead. Well, it took you to Tango. It was
the promoter and the talent tog.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
If you listen.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Okay, Greg Gania was on Busted Open this week talking
about it, and he said that they were debuted on
ESPN and Hogan was scheduled to win the title from
Nick Bockwinkle when they went to ESPN, but Hogan left
before ESPN, but of course that was great Gania, So yeah,
come on.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Manu Luigi Tron fifty one for ten dollars, is you think?
TK and the aw Roster took notes after watching WWE
Unreal on how a wrestling company is run and how
talent and how talent worked together Charlotte V. Stratton and
Punk V Rollins Rip Hulkster. I haven't gotten to watch
unreally yet. It is on my list of things to do.

(24:37):
Someone that I know that has inside knowledge of how
it works said, it's it's about twenty percent realistic.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, it's a it's a work. It's a it's a
I mean, you can work. It's if there's cameras on.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
They're working like.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, they were during the vincick Mann documentary. I think
one of one of the talking heads, I'm not really
sure who it was, but they said, uh, and it's
kind of like what the WWE's mission is. Vince is
going to only show you what he wants to show you.

(25:11):
Of course, so too, the WWE is going to do
that with the show Unreel.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, they I watched the first episode today. I'm going
to watch the rest of my figure. Get that done
before next week's show so we can talk about a
little bit more, right, But yeah, they were selling. They
were they were building stuff for Hogan, it for Cody
and Sina in the first five minutes of that show,
like it's it's an absolute work. But an interesting note
about this is that Brian Albarez put out a thing

(25:38):
today being like adw is finally doing production meetings. They've
been doing it for months now. You should see him.
They have production meetings all the time. That's I helped
mole and I'm like, is this because he's trying to
He saw unrel and he's like, oh, Aw's professional too,
you know, and he said probably, yeah, that's probably what
that was.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Well.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Albarez also probably got got yelled at for saying that
AW doesn't do these things right. Andre Adams for twenty
dollars is rip to the Hulkster and Romans J's l
K l K eightee for five dollars says go back
and watch the chic match, a six minute match, no

(26:19):
one sane stunts and the crowd was electric and exploded.
Every wrestler should study it. Yeah, I agree. I watched
that match actually the other day, and I watched some
of his Japan stuff as well, which you know, Hogan,
Hogan crossed the Pacific and then all of a sudden
he was like Kurt angle Aft.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
There didn't Hey, yeah.

Speaker 7 (26:41):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (26:42):
People like to poop on Hogan, but if you are
a young wrestler, you need to understand that no one
has actually done it better than Hulk Cogan. For a
guy who didn't really do much, he has some of
the best works punches.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Ever.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
I don't care that he grabs the guy's head the
and he did. He did a lot with a very
little and it was all built off of his selling.
It was the emotional ride is the only reason the
Hulk Cup works. Hogan would be getting his ass whooped
from inside of the ring and then roll outside and

(27:18):
reaching around, you know, on on the blue mat, you know,
and then accidentally gets back inside. There was very little,
you know, he did very little in terms of false
comeback to any of that bullshit. He just sold until
it was time to come back.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
And the whole, the whole story about him only wrestling
good in Japan. Go back and watch his matches with
Vader and WCWE Hogan.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
Versus Vader, especially with Hogan not wanting to work Vader
because Vader was beating everybody up. Those Yeah, those matches
are awesome.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
Oh do weep.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Regina Sharp checking in for fifty dollars says one and
have two real question with Hogan's entry, it's WCW. He
always felt like he was more naturally a heel there
due to the style difference is in the fan reaction
watching those old episodes. It also feels like they were
flirting with an earlier heel turn and then black mask
Hogan monologuing to his sword. If they had been able

(28:14):
to turn him earlier, when, where and how would you
have done it? Honestly, Regina, I don't think there was
a better time to do with than when they actually
did it. The the Dungeon of Doom, Weird Sword Hogan.
I hate, I hated that Hogan.

Speaker 6 (28:29):
Kevin Sillon went, We talked to him, Oh.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Said to you, what did you have to say about it?

Speaker 6 (28:36):
Because we were you know, it was when he was
giving me his on how to book lessons he had
taught about how when Hogan came in. It's not that
he wasn't over, but the mystique was different because the
style of wrestling that the that the w W fans
were accustomed to was not anything Hogan did. So he
made the Dungeon of Doom a little more cartoon because

(29:00):
one of a bunch of the guys weren't being used
on the roster. And then Hulk brings in a couple
of his friends. They don't know what really do with him,
but he was like, well Hogan got over. Like Hogan's
entire run, with the exception of one or two people,
was fighting giant monsters. That's all he did. He was
he was so big he had to fight the giant monster.
So he signed to throw all the monsters together and

(29:22):
then throw him at Hogan at the same time. And
then they figured something that would be different because one
he had to go make a movie, which is like
he shaved the stash. Was that they wanted him the
channel kind of like a different kind of energy as
opposed to constantly just being the the the super clean
white bread babyface. Because the people were like, they were

(29:44):
looking at the Dungeon to Doom a little bit weird,
and they know they knew they needed something different from Hogan,
but they didn't they weren't quite sure what. So Sullivan
had the idea to have, you know, the the stress
of having to fight the taskma and then keeping with
Sullivan's gonna the the stress and thanks of having to
fight the task Master. Hogan realized that he has to

(30:04):
go darker in order to fight the evil the uh
and you know, yeah, depending on who you ask, it
may may or may not have worked for varying degrees.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
But it's a great idea. It's a great idea. It's
just the execution one there. In my opinion, it's stinks.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Okay, okay, love it.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
But wait, don't have that one on here?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
You do, I do, I do?

Speaker 5 (30:30):
It's stinks, nailed it.

Speaker 6 (30:34):
You gotta hug You gotta hug him when he comes
out there. Then two of you get on either side
of him, bringing in close, and you gotta hug him
the arena to death, oh God, and go home.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Like like Richard said his entire w w F run
in the eighties, he was being booked like like a heel.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Would have been booked like ten years before that, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
And that but always worked like a heel too. He
was I he raked back. He's raking the man's back.
Goriller and Bobby Heenan Jesse Van Turn and Bobby Heenan
were the only two that ever saw it that Hogan
was a heel the entire time.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Piper Piper did too.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Piper and seven Piper was so much more of a hill.

Speaker 7 (31:28):
There was lust in his eyes, my woman.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Uh but Regina Sharp, thank you very very very much
for that fifty dollars and one hundred earlier. All right,

(32:10):
and one more super chat before we take a break
from the super chats and get into talking about some
additional stuff. That Black Bear, Kevin your greatest nemesis, showing
that he knows nothing about you, saying surprise, you're giving
Hogan his props keV after his comments that said that
Hogan said bears are Oh that Hogan said bears are
phenomenal creatures that should be worship I should have read

(32:32):
the entire super chat before, you know. Yeah, I know that.
I know that he was no fan of yet As,
but or Shark's brother.

Speaker 6 (32:46):
What Why does he keep saying it like that? It's yetti?

Speaker 7 (32:51):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Did Sullivan say that to you?

Speaker 6 (32:55):
No, but I can hear it.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
I don't stand why think why Tony SCHIAVANTI kept saying
yet Hey, oh my goodness. All right, guys, so let's
just check out some some heartfelt reactions to the Holkster's passing.
This one comes, you know, one of one of I
think the most heartfelt ones is from one of the

(33:20):
only people with you know who I think had just
like such a close personal relationship with the man, that
being Jimmy Hart. So Jimmy Hart said, what can you
say when losing a best friend?

Speaker 5 (33:31):
Baby?

Speaker 1 (33:32):
I added the baby for dramatic effect. He says, first,
the Hulk's family, I love you. I'm here for you all. Hulkster,
you always kept me close to you through everything. It
was an honor. We traveled the world back and forth.
Wherever we went, Hulkamania was alive. Brother, the fans always
came out, and we loved every minute of it. You
made more people smile than I'll ever be able to count.

(33:54):
Those are the memories I'll cherish forever. Thank you for
Thank you for a four decade ride. I will keep
the megaphone going. Red and yellow will live on legends
never die.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
Baby.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
I love you, Terry Hulkamania forever.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
Man.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Do you remember?

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Okay, So everyone remembers WrestleMania nine for the you know
obvious Hulk Hogan coming out and doing the thing with
Brett Hart, but the storyline leading into WrestleMania and nine,
I was totally invested in that, with Brutus coming back
and you know, them taking him out with after.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
His face surgery, and then Jimmy Hart turning.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Jimmy Hart turned Like the idea of Jimmy Hart being
a good guy was insane when I was ten years old.
It made no sense to me, you know, But then
Jimmy Hart and Hogan and the whole it was a
great It was a great feeling going into WrestleMania and nine.
I mean, the Indian of WrestleMania and nine you can
argue about, but I was really invested in the whole

(34:59):
Hogan before versus Money Inc.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Thing back then, big time, big time, and you know what,
I that the ending of WrestleMania nine gets a lot
of probably well deserved you know, criticism levied at it.
But I watched then, because I watched the video today,
it was like every time Hogan ever won a world
title and when he gets in that ring, the crowd irrupts.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Absolutely, Well, the problem is that the history has been
rewritten by Meltzer, and for a few years there was
by WWE while they were trying to make while they
weren't on good terms with Hogan, and they made it
seem like he his return wasn't really doing it, wasn't
really picking up steam, but Hogan would suck up the
energy every time he came out. There was like he

(35:46):
was unavoidable at that time. And I loved Brett Hart.
But the only reason that it didn't wasn't more apparent
that that's what everyone thought is because Raw was being
taped in Manhattan every week, where you had these people
who were kind of half and half and try to
be too smart for their own good. But if you
went to a show or you you saw a paper
any you know, anything around the people were still rabbit

(36:08):
about Hogan. So having Brett Hart be your champion when
Hogan is there is probably more of a disservice to
heart than anything.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Because also, let's let's let's.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Be real for a second here, they you know, Brett
Hart was champion leading into that, and then Brett Hart
became champion again what a year later and business wasn't good.
The company almost went under with Bretta's champion, and I
say it all the time that Brett Hart that you
know the thing with Brett is every time he becomes
world champion, a company suffers terrible hardship. Yeah, happened in

(36:41):
w w F and it happened in w CW, so
it was done terribly.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
The idea that Hogan just ran out and asked for
the shot is awful.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Hogan doesn't ask for it. Fuji Foodie challenge.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
That's right, and Brett says, do do.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
He was actually saying, get away from me, you don't
touch me. Social distancing, and yes, I agree with the Chad.
Diesel was the worst, I mean champion, but well definitely
the lowest drawing. Speaking of Diesel, Kevin ash. For the
people that want to go after hul Kogan for doing

(37:17):
this or that, you know what, how about fuck you man,
he's dead. How about his kids?

Speaker 5 (37:22):
Man?

Speaker 1 (37:22):
He just lay off the man. Ain't nothing gonna change now.
It's sensationalism. It's I never liked him anyway, Who gives
a fuck? Think about his kids, think about his friends
and his family. And if you don't have anything good
to say, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
Longfellow couldn't have said it any better.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
That's there have been. Look, I there have been three
people in this world that when they died, I was
like good Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and uh and
Fred Phelps who was the head of the Westboro Baptist
Church who protested at the funerals of soulis those are
the only three. And and even then I wasn't like

(38:05):
hooray out in public. It's so isn't it so strange
how the compassionate people that think they're on the right
side of history all the time are just the cruelest
motherfuckers on the planet who are just cheering for people
to die or for people to to to to unlive themselves.
Like I think that is absolutely disgusting. I can't. I

(38:29):
can't stand it. Guys, if you don't like what he said,
you are one hundred percent entitled to that opinion. I
would point out that the guy tried everything in his
power to make it right and and up to and
including finding God and being baptized eighteen months ago, like
you know, like he was really trying to turn his
life around. And and we have to believe that people

(38:51):
can change, you.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Know, Like, yes, I agree, if there's if you can't
take if you can't allow someone the ability to change,
then what is the whole point of any of this? Right,
what's the whole point of calling people out? What's the
whole point of canceling people? Or if we can't allow
for change, if we can't allow for growth as a

(39:13):
human being, then why do we do it?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Well, I mean, they're holding Nick his son. They're holding
Nick to something he did when he.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Was what like eighteen nineteen years old, and they act
like he did it on purpose, like the kid got
he got in a car accident.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Right, And let's think about right, and this is stuff
that happened.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
And I think I want to say two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight is when all of the controversial
statements were made. This was when Hulk Hogan, his wife
was divorcing him. His show was canceled. He was told
he never wrestled.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, and his show was canceling a child, Yeah, his
show was canceled. He by the way, this was also
after years of her it's like trying to get him
to wrestle. Agains the fact that he couldn't wrestle anymore.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Linda was trying to push him back in the ring.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah, yeah, that's I he was trying to get him.
I'm sorry, sorry, No, So he he lost, so he
lost everything he had known, and he had a friend
who was a terrible person. I think we can all
agree that Bubba loves One is a shitty person, right.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
I was, and what like, he is a terrible person,
and and I love I love Piers Morgan. But shame
on him for his Hull Cogan panel this week because
it was Vince Russo and Bubba the Love Stooge, and
Bubba had just gotten his God cap. What were gonna say?

Speaker 6 (40:43):
I just want to say, yeah, I regret not not
making amends Terry with the Hulk start.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
I just I said, I'm sure, I'm sure he tried,
and I'm sure Hogan said go f yourself.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Yeah okay.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Bubba also had just gotten that gig with Stern, so
so Hogan's probably looking at that guy being like, hey,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (41:08):
That could be my ticket back, that could be my
way back in.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
And he made some terrible choices and said some terrible things,
but he spent a decade trying to make it better.
He apologized to people personally, he found God like everything
that this man, did you know?

Speaker 6 (41:25):
Don't tell it short too, because when he says what
he says, he is years into being under the throes
of addiction, on contemplating self deletion. He was as low
as a human being can go and was secretly taped.
So he has his privacy violated by someone who yeah,

(41:50):
so he you know, so he has his privacy violated.
Was set up to have his privacy violated by someone who,
off of his own reputation, had been carrying on his
back for over ten years. So he thought that he
had a true and actual friend who took advantage and
then sold him out for profit. And so I'm sorry,

(42:13):
like you can. I'm of the belief that you can
say whatever the hell it is you want in your
house and in privacy. How many of these mutants who
want to fake their their moral righteous indignation want to
be held accountable for something that they said during a
low point in their life and at having to be
an albatross around the neck for the rest of returnity.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
That's what I was getting at, is that imagine having
a camera on you at the lowest point of your life,
at the at the thing that you regret the most.
You have a camera on you, and everyone in the
world's gonna see it, and they're gonna hold that. They're
gonna hold you to the thing that happened at your
lowest point in your life. Like I can tell you,
I've never said that word. I've never had those thoughts.

(42:57):
But you know what, I've done a lot of bad
stuff when I was really low. I've hung out with
people that I didn't that I would hate myself for
hanging out for today.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
I think we all have.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
We've all done things that are regrettable and to be
held to your lowest moment for the rest of your life.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
I mean, it doesn't make any sense to me, but
may I say.

Speaker 6 (43:21):
I'd say, and the only good thing to comfort was
the powerful Comania is apparently larger than this block of
woods signed by Paxlo Jean Duggan, because that thing is
a monster and he was able to walk with and
that is impressive. That's problem why the guy needed all
that back surgery.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Got awful.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
I just want to recall a great joke by the
great Chris Rock and he sets the table up for
this entire conversation beautifully. He said, there are black people.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Oh I was I was like, I better not be
going there.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
They're black people and then they're no. I will not
say the word. I don't ever say the word yeah,
but it's it's it's yeah. Yeah. I want I want
people of all other racests to know. keV can back
me up on this. What Hogan said wasn't necessarily full crap. Okay,

(44:29):
I'm going I'm see. I knew, I knew it was
gonna elicit some sort of polarizing response. But I've got
a daughter. I'm here to tell you, gentlemen, maybe not
using those words, I would have said the same damn thing.
This is a man who's who's who's on a different

(44:51):
level than all of us. He's got protections. He wants
to save his progeny. Okay, maybe some of you guys
don't you know understand that. I don't know, but I'm
saying that Hogan in what he said didn't offend me.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Off.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Ye. Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Will just throwing it out there.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
Yeah listen, and I'm speaking only for myself, but yeah,
you can't please help me out here.

Speaker 6 (45:29):
The civil war and the fatigue is real, and black
people feel it. First Christ Watch joke is fun because
it's all one hundred and fifteen true neighborhoods to get
away from it too.

Speaker 10 (45:43):
And.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
The dates my daughter. Yeah, I mean I'll be dropping
that leg in the middle of the street.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
And anybody in the chat would be the same way.
And that could be of any type of any race.
You don't want the worst type of people, you know,
being involved with your family, can they You know, you
want the best type of people, no matter what what
you know race they are, but you want them to

(46:17):
be of a certain type. You want them to be upstanding,
You want them to be Please.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
To quote the late great TLC, even though only one
of them was gone, nobody wants no scrubs, period.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Dundund, Do you have anything to add to this conversation,
because I don't.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Uh what, I'm sorry, I.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
Just I don't mean to take it there.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
I have lots of black friends.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Right now, eyes that I've just been talking, who are black.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
Far enough, far enough away to be friends.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Oh my goodness, all right, so no problem, let's continue on.
Rick Flair checked in with every word capitalized.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
But actually awful. Just read Rick Flair statement, we don't
have to.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Oh my gosh, by the way, one of my favorites
that reminded me of my favorite Gilbert Godfrey joke of
all time. It was it was on a roast and
we'll get the flair for a second. Iced tea comes
out and he's just like white bitches. I'm going to
beg some white bitches, Oh you white mother, and like
Gilbert Godfrey. Then because he goes honest, night sucks iced.

(47:50):
He stole my whole act well bears repeating white bitches,
you white mama.

Speaker 6 (48:00):
And gil mccoffrey. That just seeds to do ice teas.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Act like word for word. Oh my goodness. But so
Rick Flair goes. I am absolutely shocked to hear about
the passing of my close friend Hulk Cogan. Hulk has
been by my side since we started in the wrestling business.
That's not true. An incredible athlete, talent, friend and father.
Our friendship has meant the world to me. He was

(48:23):
always there for me, even when I didn't ask for
him to be. He was one of the first to
visit me when I was in the hospital with a
two percent chance of living. Of course we got to
bring it back around to Rick and he prayed by
my bedside. Hulk always lent me money when Reid was sick, Hulkster.
No one will ever compare to you. Rest in peace,
my friend.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
Do you think he paid back?

Speaker 6 (48:48):
No, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
I doubt asked for it back.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Here, here's the thing, He's Hogan and Flair were like
made for each each other. Like they were like like
every like the Hogan point and the Rick Flair begof.
They're like the two connecting pieces. Like their styles were
made for each other because Rick, you know, pulls the

(49:16):
work rate out of the match, and Hogan was like
the like like you know, pure showmanship and power. I
love their matches. Their matches always entertained me.

Speaker 6 (49:25):
You know.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
You know what's so cool, Marv, is that Flair always
wanted to work with Cogan. He was never confused about
his star power or his what quote unquote work rate.
He had always admired Haul Cogan for what he was
doing for the wrestling business.

Speaker 6 (49:44):
Also, I do want to clarify something because Hogan's work
rate is phenomenal. Hogan is a worker. He is not
a professional wrestler. He is a worker and and scause
that aren't enough workers. Yeah, the people, this isn't real.
It's showmanship and it's pageantry. It's it's it's it's illusion.

(50:09):
You have to take people on a store, on a
story in the journey, this doing four billion moves and
not getting a pop, or these idiots who drop their
cells on their heads from from from the top rope
in front of twenty people. There's a reason there's only
twenty people that it's because you are not a worker.
You are a monkey who got to be a wrestler.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
And I think one of the biggest mistakes that wwf
ever made was not pulling the trigger on Hogan and
Flair at WrestleMania eight. I don't know why, I still
to this day because I've heard the story eight million times,
But I don't understand why they didn't go for it.

Speaker 6 (50:48):
Why because Vince got the yips, Vince got I guess
Vince Vice. Vince did. Vince love Flair, so he didn't
want to have Flair lose. But Vince also didn't want
to have Flair go over Hogan because he wouldn't have
He wouldn't have wanted the WW to look like it
was lesser than anyway. He lost the Savage, lost the

(51:09):
Savage but looks a little different the but that But
that's why it was it wasn't you didn't want to vince.
I guess maybe at the time felt like he had
a sophie's choice, and it was easier to go with
one with one B than one A because one A
was still head and shoulders above one B. And not

(51:30):
not to take away from the the you know, the
the the excellence that was Randy Savage, but it was
Hull Cogan all the way up here, and Randy Savage
a little below but still miles away from where Hulk
Cogan was.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
Right, if Macho Man had been just a little bigger physically,
he would have been up there. I don't know if
that was.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (51:58):
Cogan is the guy was six seven, which was in
his boots. He was in his boots. That means he's
six eight, maybe even six eight and a half. So
for all intentsive purposes, he's a giant. Not the only
person to be more athletic than at that size is
the Undertaker. The undergo is the greatest big man of

(52:20):
all time, the or actually maybe the most athletic big
man of all time. But I would I.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Would say the giant, the Giant in his early years
was way too athletic for.

Speaker 6 (52:31):
His own good, yes, but that was the that was
the vim and vigor of being twenty the the you know.
So like when you look at Hogan's size and for
what he was able to do, and I'm talking about
the occasional in sigury or to the point, to the
point that think about it, what was a big move
like when you felt like, oh my god, the hultzter,

(52:52):
he he's really in it. He he's digging into his
bag of tricks. Regular vertical.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
I was gonna say, yeah, ax smasher, Yeah yeah.

Speaker 6 (53:02):
The ax smasher, a regular vertical. Hogan hit a regular
vertical suit clix. You were like, oh my god, we're
in the ship now. And then when Hogan would occasionally
do the thing as he would link it, you were like,
oh my god. It was like watching Flair steamboat if
you're watching a Hogan match. So like I just I say, like,
don't people need to stop sleeping on just how how

(53:24):
effective a performer he was. It's at the end of
the day, the wrestling comes down to people are paying
to see you do certain things, and Hogan knocked.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
It down to.

Speaker 6 (53:35):
Pointing a big boot and dropping a leg and and
and he made lots of people hundreds of millions of
dollars across the planet.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
It was I I remember because I watched it probably
one hundred times.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
I had the VHS tape of WrestleMania seven and excuse me,
Hogan Slaughter underrated by the way, oh underrated, underrated match.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
And I remember when Hogan like threw a drop kick
and they were this is the.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Whole Cogan of the nineties. Nine, regious Philbin For some reason.

Speaker 6 (54:13):
You remember that when everything was this is the wrestler
of the nineties.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
All right, thanks, Let's say The Rock wrote a book.
The Rock wrote Rest in Peace, Terry Belay aka the
Immortal Hulk Cogan to millions of little kids, you were
childhood hero, myself included in nineteen eighty four. I gave
you your hulksterre headband back in the locker room in

(54:41):
Madison Square Garden. I was the lucky kid who caught
it when you threw it into the crowd. You were
wrestling mister Wonniple Paul Ornder that night in the main event.
You were shocked and so happy after the match because
you told me that was your very last headband and
if it weren't for me, you'd have no way of
getting that exact one made again. You promised me that
you would get me get more made and give me

(55:02):
a Helkster headband of my own as a thank you gift.
A month later at Madison Square Garden, you did just that.
You kept your word with a handshake and a thanks kid,
and that meant the world to that little twelve year
old boy. Just seventeen years later and still a kid
at the age of twenty nine years old, I'm standing
in the middle of the ring and facing you, one
of my wrestling heroes, in the main event of WrestleMania.

(55:24):
The match was to decide who would go down in
history as the greatest of all time. When you kicked
out of my rock bottom finisher, just listen and feel
that crowd go electric, all for you. I've never felt
like that in my entire wrestling career. It takes two
to tango, but that historic crowd reaction was all for you.
May You may have passed the torch to me that night,

(55:46):
but you, my friend, you drew the house, meaning you
sold out every arena and stadium across the country in
your prime as Hulkogan on your way to becoming the greatest,
On your way to becoming the greatest of all time.
From deepen my bones and on behalf of this wild
and crazy world professional wrestling that we love. I say
to you now and forever, thank you for the house. Brother.

(56:07):
That's honestly, the Rocks tribute is the one that gave
me goosebumps. The Rock is not really known for being
like authentic, so you know, like it's rare when like
you have a moment of authenticity from Rock anymore.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
Yeah, he was very careful to construct this this letter,
or as publicist was, I don't know, Yeah, but it's
it's very well done. Yeah, it's just crazy. You know,
it's crazy to think that we are now living in
a world without Kulkhogan. And I think people who are

(56:47):
younger than we are should really understand what it really
meant to all of us as Hulk Hogan fans, even
if you weren't even a fan, like the man was
everywhere and yeah, you said it yourself, keV. He was
a giant and so that's what made him stand out,
and not only in professional wrestling, but in all of entertainment.

(57:08):
The food man, true mustache, the silky blonde hair like
he was so tan. There were moments when I used
to see him at the Spectrum I thought the man
was black. So I mean, but he is something. He
was something that was almost like out of this world
at the time, and so many people emulated what he

(57:32):
was trying to be. And to your point, keV, the
man was he had impeccable timing. He could read the audience,
could read the crowd, whether he was on our Senio
Hall the Tonight Show or from the ninety three thousand people.
He knew exactly what the crowd wanted. When you're giving

(57:55):
yourself up to that type of adulation and working hard
to do it, come on, guys.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
He was the superhero that was real, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
He was like if Superman actually existed and we could
and we could touch him, and we could slap his
hand and you know, pieces of his shirt from a
little girl deal pieces of his shirt from a little girl.
You know, Hogan, you were you were talking about outside
of wrestling. I started watching wrestling because of Hogan. It
was something outside of it because of Thunderlips. When I
found out that Thunderlips was real and that I could

(58:28):
watch him I I that was I was a fan
before I saw him walk to the ring.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Brian Last was saying when him and Cornett were talking
about it that he I guess he saw like the
Action Figures and Huld Cogan's Rock and Wrestling cartoon show
before he started watching wrestling, and that's got him into it.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Beard watched. That's what got him doing in wrestling, was
Rock and Wrestling.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
Yeah, And it makes sense because just like you're watching
the cartoon and you're like, oh shit, this man's actual.
You know, he's an actual person. And then it's not
like he was five ten again, like he was a giant.
He was tailor made for the wrestling business. It makes
me laugh to see him his old pictures of when

(59:12):
he was playing Bassis and or playing Bassis in like
a band. It's just like one of these things is
not like the other. Like if you saw him in
like some dive bar, you would be like, what the
hell is that big ass motherfucker doing on stage with
a bass? He needs to be doing something else.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Well, amazing, Like look nowadays, you know you see like
you see one of today's wrestlers walk out on a
talk show and it looks like the talk show hosts
could you know, beat them up and I'm talking about you,
but where Hogan would walk out on these talk shows
and you would see like what he looks like next
to like Regis Fielden, and you know, like that was

(59:57):
just right there. It's like, my gosh, this man is
large then life. You don't you realize how big Hogan
is when you watch Rocky three, and because Stallone looks
big in that movie, but when you see Stallone stand
next to Hogan, I mean he's dwarfed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
And perhaps with Stallone by the way, letting that happen. Stalloneeah,
you know, being who he was, coulda very well not
a milk crane.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
But well, yeah, back back in the day, back in
the days when action stars actually, uh you know, we're
confident in themselves and we're actual real men, not like
The Rock and Vin Diesel having to count how many
punches they throw in a movie.

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
Jeesuz, hope the Rock that was that was the Rock
and Jason Statham the but well, the other thing that
people don't realize too about about the importance of hull
Koga and why he became so ingrained with Americana is
you know when you're coming out of the seventies, coming
on the seventies. You know, Vietnam War was very emotional.

(01:00:57):
The country is in a really bad place. We trigged
our true, that's horribly the you see, you have roughly
two decades of war. People were you know, you lost
a lot of very important figures during that period of time.
And then you go straight into the fall of Iran.
The so the country self esteem was virtually non existent.

(01:01:23):
The you know, Reagan comes along and says, hey, you
can you know, we can do it better. But entertainment
wasn't quite there yet, you know, because again it takes
a few years for it to catch with everybody else.
And then Hull Cogan shows up, you know, he drops
the leg of the chic and all of a sudden
it's hey, you know, I'm an American. I'm I'm not

(01:01:45):
not only am I American, I'm proud to be an American.
I'm bigger than everybody where, I'm stronger than everybody. I'm
fast everybody because I'm an American. You know, say your praise,
your vitamins. He's he's espousing the the the ideals of
of of what America that is and it's done in
a relatable way.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
And and and it was.

Speaker 6 (01:02:04):
And he helped make it be exciting to be an
American again. So so as people started feeling better, you know,
your your patriotism in whole Caymania start running a parallel
of course, you know, throughout the eighties. And and he
he was extremely important. He was extremely important. You also

(01:02:24):
can't under sell you know, very similar to you know,
Jeans Levi Jeans and and and and McDonald's. You know,
his impact on pop culture, but you know, play it
a large role in the changing of the tide when
it comes to things like the Cold War, like the
man is an icon for you know, for a reason.

(01:02:46):
It's that you can't really under undersell, you know, his
importance to modern American history, even even inside of the
facet of of of entertainment.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
Oh yeah, because in the seventies, that's that time of entertainment.
It was very dour. There were a lot of movies
that had like tragic endings, you know, and go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
No, you're finished your thought.

Speaker 5 (01:03:15):
Yeah, it was just the it was just like you said,
when Reagan came into office, people wanted that change. They
were tired, they were fatigued, of all the you know,
anti American sentiment, and it's just so wild because I
was thinking, well, keV was talking, It's so crazy how

(01:03:36):
they used with Hawk Coagan. Like remember he used to
be in like white and blue for a while, but
then they it's almost like they consciously chose yellow and red,
two excitable colors that are are attractive to people. You know,
it brings people in, and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
It's just like wow, I mean, kiss met it's also
color scheme. Nobody else was really use it at the time.
I mean like like like Tony Atlas on like Mid
South or something like that might have worn like yellow
trunks or something like that. Or but but you didn't
see a lot of guys wearing yellow. Flare occasionally would.
But but when he made the red and yellow became

(01:04:16):
his thing. I mean that that became part of the brand.
And and see the point that where you see when
he's wearing like the blue or the white or the black,
it almost strange. Yeah, well it becomes Hollywood Hogan.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:28):
But the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Look at the choice of the theme song. When when
Rick Deringer created that song for Mike Rotunda Barry Wyndham,
and all of a sudden, somebody was like, wait a minute, no,
this is this is Hull Cogan theme because you remember
at the time. Yeah, at the time, Hogan's theme music
was if you listen to the wrestling album, they have
Whole Coke. They have real American on there, but they

(01:04:53):
also have the Whole Cogan theme with the.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
Do Do.

Speaker 6 (01:04:58):
Do Do Yeah shows. You remember when I used to
come out to it whenever I had a flag match.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
You know, I think people people get caught up in
his like movie career, and they look at that and
they think, oh, he was just trying to be Stallone
and he was trying to be Schwartzenegger and he never
got there. Just because Hogan didn't succeed in their line
of work doesn't make him any less.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Important to pop culture at that time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
If you came up in the eighties, it was Michael
Jackson and it was Hull Cogan, and you know they
were That's why so many people have such a strong
reaction to this.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
It's just because even if you didn't like wrestling, you
knew what Hull Cogan was.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Everybody he was sorry sorry, And it was also it
was also you had you already had a stallone, You
already had a Schwarzenegger people. It was the fact that
Hogan was so iconic at what he did that people
had no interest in seeing him play anyone but Hull Cogan.
There was no interest in seeing him do anything but

(01:06:02):
drop the leg.

Speaker 6 (01:06:03):
Yeah, I'm sorry. Also too, he was everywhere. He was
on every TV set, on every show imaginable. You know,
he was constantly on talk shows. You know, he pops
up on soap operas from time to time because apparently

(01:06:25):
he watched them because it was the only thing on
during the day when they would be sitting in the arena.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
Like, but he he was.

Speaker 6 (01:06:31):
He the guy was actually everywhere. He was everywhere. You
couldn't help but come across Hulkgain at some point in
time on your television set the you know, uh, you know,
during during the you know, pretty much the entirety of
the eighties and even when you think about it, even
the beginning of the nineties, you know, the it's just

(01:06:52):
her yeah yeah, yeah. Like so again, like very similar
to Michael Jackson. He took up an incredible amount of
oxygen in the entertainment space. So yeah, it was probably
did it probably hurt his movie career, But I guess
what There are a lot more Hogan movies out there
than people actually realized that man was cranking out direct

(01:07:13):
to DVD or direct to home video on movies like
you wouldn believe. I just I just watched two crappy
ones on two be.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Right, We've got we got to get a few super chats. Guys,
we've been ignoring our audience for too long, you and
me for one ninety nine is nothing beats Hogan Andre
at WrestleMania three. I think that is one of the
greatest matches of all time. I love that match tells
a phenomenal story. I know Meltzer, you know, gave it
like well, like a star or something like that, like
he hates it. But that should just show you that

(01:07:45):
the match is good. The match is good.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
It was a hip toss.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
Nothing's beaten that match because you know what Meltzer forgets
about that match, the build up to the match. It
was phenomenal. Andre looked like everyone's boogey man at that
time that I recalled it on Jake's show, the contract

(01:08:12):
signing between Hawk and Andre. Everybody needs to watch that promo.
The stare down Hogan just sign it, you know, like
it was hurt like Hogan was nervous. He made you nervous,
like Andrey is going to kill this man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
You gotta get, beautifully, you gotta get You gotta get
Piper's props to for that when when you're brain Yeah,
when he that was that was like the birth of
all the bloodline stuff that you saw during the during
the COVID era, Piper going down and having that small
moment where he goes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
You're bleeding, brother, Like that moment as a kid watching
that mm hmm when.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
He ripped the crucifix in the shirt off of Yeah,
it was.

Speaker 5 (01:08:58):
It lended weight to the entire thing because just like
even Roddy Piper knows that Hogan's in trouble. You just
pissed off this giant. And Bobby Heenon played his part
beautifully as well, like just so many great musicians in
that orchestra.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
You know what, I just realized everyone involved in that
segment is now dead.

Speaker 6 (01:09:21):
Yes, well as I was gonna say realized, like up
until Hogan's passing, there was still at least one person
alive for the first ten WrestleMania main events, and now
you know it's I mean, you know there's only it
was only three.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Yeah, you look back, you look at the h you
look at the raw or who they brought him for SmackDown,
and it's like Hacksaw and Million Dollar Man and Brian
Blair and you know, love these guys, but it's getting thin.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Man, there's just not a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
So the first ten WrestleManias main eventors still alive today.
You have mister t you have DBAs mm hmmm, slaughter
and wow Brett, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
Said me twice because I'm Brett.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Well he was in two main events there.

Speaker 6 (01:10:25):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
I was also saying on the on on Jake Showy
and you guys correct me if I'm wrong. There is
no better looking house ever in professional wrestling than the
Pontiac Silverdome that night.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely And by by the way, what
a great call it was. Everybody came out on those
little ring carts, the little the little, the little Andre
Mobile did not have Hogan come out on it. It
was such a good call.

Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
Awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Piper gotta eat lunch that night, though I forgot what
Piper gotta ate his lunch that day because he ran
out all he wasn't supposed to, but he did.

Speaker 6 (01:11:20):
Terry is walking to the ring.

Speaker 7 (01:11:22):
No no, no, no no no.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Retaisaurus for five dollars says shouldn't Roman unite the O
G blood line with Jacob and face Solo's blood line
again while the Rollins gang be facing the judgment day?
What we got sucks. I don't want to see the
blood line anymore. I want to see the blood line
in any way, shape or form. It needs a break.

Speaker 6 (01:11:47):
The blood line is done.

Speaker 11 (01:11:48):
We are.

Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
We are on the road to what I what I
think is the actual end of the story, on the
road to Roman and and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
And and j and and Solo is killing it. By
the way, so the group Solo is, I'm killing it.

Speaker 6 (01:12:03):
I did. I didn't mean to rub that in to
all the all the people are like Solo is. Solo's
washed and ruined it. No, Sometimes sometimes she just gotta
let the cake bake.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
All be booty bitches and bacon with big boobies. For
two dollars, says Hulk Hogan forever a legend. Fuck the haters,
and that's a fantastic avatar once again, one KQ for
five dollars in New Zealand. I didn't grow up with
Hogan and won't pretend I liked him, but that Feudi
had with Michael's in two thousand and five, and that
Summer Slam match was so funny. Alrpi, I love that match.

(01:12:39):
I love that match for.

Speaker 5 (01:12:40):
So many reasons.

Speaker 6 (01:12:41):
Okay, before we I think I was in the Garden
with Trish when Hogan came out to save Sean from
Muhammad Asan, and it was another one of those like
Sean comes out, we already every minutes of the segment's
going to be, you know, Mohammed Son's coming out, and
I turned to go, how great would it be if
it just goes D D D D And then the

(01:13:03):
second shom bumps and like you think it's you think
he's in trouble, the freaking real American hits and the
Garden lost its collective mind. It just it could not
handle what what what? What was actually happening.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
I remember, I remember when they came out for that match, though,
my one friend just screaming out, that's Marty's spot, you
bald orange bastard, because everyone thought Marty it was gonna
be Marty mm hmm. I was like, no, this is
better now, this this is way better.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Five for twenty dollars is my Hogan moment live at
WrestleMania three with my dad and uncle Nice flaming that
stinky giant. I was seven and it was a spectacle. Remember,
we are all human, we all falter, We are not
the some of our worst moment.

Speaker 6 (01:14:01):
R I P.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Brother, Yo ho yo ho. You know I've been trying
to find of the Jokers, Brother, I've been trying to
find the clip of the Joker from the sixty six

(01:14:22):
Batman screaming yo hoo no, and I can't find it anywhere.
Forever Runner for one says, not a fan of Hogan
at all. But r I P to the Hulks. See,
you don't have to be a fan of the person
just to be a decent human being, Uh, Sean Holland
five seven, three, five for four niney nine is all
three w W shows given the ten bells salute class act.

(01:14:45):
Although I'll never forgive them for pulling Uh for pulling Oh,
I'll never forgive him for pulling Sid over the top rope.

Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
Ri I P.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Hulks are the ultimate Ogan heel move. Sid had a
coming telling you, no, he did not Sid did nothing wrong.
He said it's every man for himself, big man BPE
checking in with the BPE special with twenty dollars and

(01:15:13):
no message. Well, thank you very much, BPE. We appreciate you.
Noah Fineberg. For nine ninety nine, I was at WrestleMania one, two, four, five,
SummerSlam eighty eight, eighty nine, ninety one, many live events.
It was a different time. Went to the Beach Shop
in Orlando. Didn't have three hundred dollars for a meet
and greet, but Hogan and Knobs still said, Hi, I

(01:15:35):
have been to the Beach Shop as well. I've been
meaning to go back now and maybe take some video
to put up for the channel or to watch here
on the show. So yeah, the the shop in Orlando
was great.

Speaker 6 (01:15:47):
Have you seen the shop that's in Pigeon Forge. I'm
so I did not was there. I would have taken
a trip when I was out there. There's a massive
Hogan store in Pitching Forge that just opened up recently.
A friend of mine brings her a family down there
every year. They all throughout Gatlinburg and then stopping pitching

(01:16:10):
Fords because you know, it's pitch Forge, and there was
a massive She sent me pictures of it. I told
her that I won't be able to go because I
won't be able to not cry like a child when
I walk through when I will through the doors like
I'm about to cry.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
Now, I have a question, gentlemen, before you go to
your next super chat. Does this because there was an
oversaturation of hogan merchandise, does is there like a loss
of any value now that he's passed. I'm just curious.

Speaker 6 (01:16:41):
No, okay, I think you know. I mean, listen to
ww's credit. Whenever someone does pass, they do flood, you know,
because you know people are gonna be hot and heavy
for it, and the fact that they give it to
the family is always tremendous. But you know, Hogan still
sold a lot of stuff, you know, a testament to
his his drawing power.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
So I saw somebody, somebody, people, anyone freaking out that
Hogan's family is getting his proceeds. The family always gets
the proceeds.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
Yeah, like your heart gets the proceeds.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Yeah, Martha Hart, you know, uh bray Wyatt. I'm sure
bray Wyatt's fiance gets it. Likes and everything, like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Ever when when when bray Wyatt died, every one of
these Sykes Russell purist, and all of them were like,
oh heart, oh Bray Wyatt, Jojo is getting the money,
and it's just like yeah, and because she should, so
should Hogan.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Yeah, Hogan's wife deserves it just as much Hogan.

Speaker 7 (01:17:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Yeah, like Dane. They're saying that Dana Warrior probably gets
all the Warrior stuff like that. That's the thing that happens.
Uh So, guys, uh, you know, there's all there's always
jealousy about Hogan. Let's hear somebody talk about that right now.

Speaker 12 (01:17:53):
I don't like him because they didn't get to work
with Hogan. The reason they didn't get work with Hogan
is couldn't draw money with Hogan. And you guys are
sitting home right now and they're saying, Hogan screwed me.
If you could have drawn money, you'd have been there.
If you could have been the worst human being on
war in life, you'd have bended to draw money. The

(01:18:16):
only reason you didn't work with Hogan was you couldn't
draw money. That's simple. He'd work with a grape if
you could draw money.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Well, everyone except for ravishing Rick Rude because he would
really beat him up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
I man so much.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
I was saying it excuse me. I was saying, it's
one of my friends earlier the week. So much of
this we hate Hogan is because their favorite wrestler has
talked bad about Hogan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Yes, if you look, they.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Pretend that they care about the Wrestlers Union, right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Well, no, because if you look back, like if people
get people are using the things that he said as
a reason to hate him. But I mean, I'm sorry, guys,
Saboo wasn't a great guy. Okay, Jay Brisco, what about him?
They banned him from WBD, right, but they he still
got a tribute on TV and everyone loved him.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
People are imperfect and they do this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
But it only matters when home because your favorite wrestler
doesn't like him, so you got to run. You can
pretend it's because of what he said, but it's not
it it's because you think you're smarter than everyone else
and you got.

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
Ex Caliber is about to do a show on Wednesday
called Dynamite, and that man still has not apologized or
made any sort of amends the way Hogan did for
saying the exact same word.

Speaker 6 (01:19:39):
Yep, I will say worse and a worse set of
circumstances because it was done with the intention to actually
cause harm. It was done public, and it was it
was done with malice. There was nothing funny about what
he was trying to do. And there's a raging difference
between being in the privacy of your own home and

(01:20:00):
and you know, and being a being crappy about something
and being a piece of crap out in public because
you think it's gonna get you, uh, you know, you
think it's gonna get you some attention.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
A W A W did their own little tribute where
they had Tony Shavanni be like whole Cogan died. He
was great, even though Tony Shavanni somebody was like, weren't
you a long time friend of his? And he said, no,
I was a longtime co worker.

Speaker 5 (01:20:24):
No tact whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
That Okay, I keep going back to j Briscoe.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
It's because it's it's such a it's such a clear cut,
perfect comparison. J Briscoe said that he would kill anyone
who tried to teach the same sex marriage to his children.
And the same people that are getting on hold that
it's claimed to hate Hogan because of what he said.

(01:20:52):
We're trying, we're you know, celebrating the life of this
man and talking about how wonderful he is, and and
and and then the whole thing. The thing I hate
the most is when people say, like, oh, well, Hogan
is an admitted racist. He's an admitted racist because he said,
I think we're all a little racist, because that's what
we're told to say when you go when you have

(01:21:12):
a problem like this, you're told over and over again, well,
we're all you have to admit you're racist, because everyone's racist,
so you have to admit that you're racist.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
And so I get I guess the people that made
that wrote the Broady musical Avenue q R two because
they wrote a song called Everyone's a little Bit Racist.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Right, But no, he said that in an interview, and
that means that he is a self admitted racist and
that's why he was.

Speaker 5 (01:21:36):
Needles wrote a B side called the Woman is the
End of the World.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
So yeah, Dusty Rhodes, Dusty Rhodes came out with David
Allen code we want to go through his discography and
start breaking that down right, Okay, but.

Speaker 5 (01:21:55):
Again Chris Rock himself said, listen, if you if you
demystify the yeah, well no, no, if you think, yeah,
I'm sorry, but if you demystify it, you know it
doesn't hold that much weight. There's no power behind it.
But Kertz said it even better. He said, I don't
believe Hogan was a racist because he never actively tried

(01:22:17):
to get me or anybody of that race fired. That's
true racism, using the power that you have to put
someone down based on their racial identity.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
WW if Hulk Hogan wanted Harlem Heat fired, they would
have been fired.

Speaker 6 (01:22:40):
Harlem Heat started getting used better. Hogan took a look
at Booker t and Steve Rinton? What are we doing here?
Why aren't these guys champion?

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
And I said it in a joking way, But Hogan
politics and kept more white men down than anybody else
in the wrestling in the professional wrestling business. I don't
think he was that bracist.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
All right, Well, guys, uh, you know we we we've
we've spoken about a lot of reactions here tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
So uh huh, Well, anything this idiot has to say, Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Kevin, have you not seen anything Melzer has said this week?

Speaker 6 (01:23:30):
I am trying to not need needing to be on
blood pressure medication. So other than other than what did
he say? He Lucy I deep, I deep know, he
said he deep knows something. So I said, I deep
know a retarder when I see one. So that was
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Well, d his interview with with Canada was good. Yeah,
well we'll play that one in a second. So he
started off just very simply. Hull Cogan died seventy one today.
He's probably the most famous pro wrestler ever lived, and
more people paid to see him than perform over the
course of his career than any other person. Thanks for
the memories. That's pretty decent, right, And then he did

(01:24:10):
and then he did this this interview, and then.

Speaker 10 (01:24:15):
It was not shocking in other ways because we knew
he was in his healthish is, he'd had some significant
health issues since having.

Speaker 5 (01:24:21):
Neck surgery, and I knew it because I know everything.
But yeah, I mean, he was just an iconic figure.

Speaker 10 (01:24:30):
He changed the entire game, the whole face of professional wrestling,
the whole world of wrestling.

Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Remember that he's saying this.

Speaker 10 (01:24:37):
Is totally different because of him and Vince McMahon. They
just they were a team that really put pro wrestling,
you know, changed it from regional to national promotions. And
he was one of the most charismatic figures, probably the
most charismatic figure as far as in the pro wrestling
ring all over the world.

Speaker 5 (01:24:56):
He had an act in the act where people.

Speaker 10 (01:24:58):
Loved it, and then when he was older, he changed
the act up a little bit and was a big,
big stork that So, you know, as far as that goes,
you know, I mean, it's very controversial life, to be sure,
in so many ways. But you know, as far as
like being someone who fans paid money to see, there
was nobody bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Okay, now let's see the rest of this, Okay, Paul Harvey,
the rest of the story. Somebody said Babe Ruth helped
save baseball and elevated to a new level. Hogan did
the same thing. Comparing him to the Babe is the
perfect comparison, and he said Hogan did save wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Look at the time, three forty nine am in the morning,
I know he has to go.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
I know this creepy little There will be a kid
who will rise up one day and uh, he'll run
off wrestling promotion.

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
They'll be the one that the saves professional wrestling.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
So the then goes the amount of smugness, drifting and
bringing up the lies in many cases past for a
lot of people. This week, regarding Ozzie and hul Coogan
has been telling let people grieve, and he goes, Bruno
did sell out MSG one eighty seven times?

Speaker 6 (01:26:18):
Either.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
Is he saying Hogan did?

Speaker 6 (01:26:22):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
No, No, he's saying that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
He's saying, you know, these are more lies than w
W Yeah, he's right, Yeah, okay, I.

Speaker 6 (01:26:30):
Think the garden and want to tell you otherwise. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
And then this guy right here says he might be
the biggest wrestling star of all time. If not, he's
certainly top two or three. That should be enough. That's
a gigantic accomplishment. He did not invent wrestling or the
WWF or bring either its first audience. But for the
love of God, just read Wikipedia for three minutes. And
then he replies, Ricky Dozan and Santo Wan e quivocally

(01:26:55):
ahead of him culturally. What a fuck up?

Speaker 6 (01:26:59):
Whoo?

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Who Hogan is a global superstar, a household name on
every continent. You're talking about two Japanese guys that aren't
even known outside of Japan except by a bunch of
sweaty nerds in their basement who follow this crap.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Well, El Santo, I mean he was Mystery Science Theater
three thousand, right, Mark Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Yes, having written Anoki in Hogan's bios and depth, you
can read both and who was really bigger will become
evident Hogan. There's Lawndust as well, top five and bigger
and more places than the others, even Santo, but cultural hero.

(01:27:46):
I'd say number four is as high as possible. But
that's still ahead of any American ever, Like, dude, like,
are you insane? This is from July twenty fifth. Is
that the day Hogan died or the day after they?

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
No, it's the day after.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Yeah, Like the guy's body's not even cold yet, and
you have to beat you have to put your I'm
the smartest guy on earth. Dave Meltzer hat on.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
He's even saying in there that, like Hogan was worldwide
and these guys were in their own country, but it
doesn't matter to him, Like it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
All that matters to him is that anch was better
in Japan.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Like, yeah, it's Pinocchi was not a global superstar. There
are Hoka maniacs in probably every country in the world. Yeah,
if Penguins, if Penguin's got Wi Fi, there'd be at
least one penguin walking around with a Holgamania T shirt.

Speaker 6 (01:28:50):
Kids kids in at the time Western Germany weren't trying
to get their hands on put on shirts. Come on,
I don't want to hear it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:01):
You mean the Indian audience wasn't dying to see Ricky Dozan.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
My my dad, who hates wrestling, knows who Hult Cogan
is very well, he does not know who Ricky Dozan
and Santo and even in Noki are I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:29:20):
I don't remember Dozan's rock and wrestling on CBS Saturday mornings.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Idiot, I must have miss Santo on uh you know,
on the Jay Leno Show and on on Reachison Kathy
Lee all.

Speaker 5 (01:29:37):
The time.

Speaker 6 (01:29:39):
Santo's I said, I think, didn't Santo met the president?

Speaker 5 (01:29:44):
Maybe he met a couple.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
So somebody says you wouldn't have a job, that it
wasn't for him. There's no chance that's accurate. That I'd
just be writing aw some detailed stories in a day
about Ali. Whoops, I guess I did that too.

Speaker 6 (01:30:02):
When the.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Unchecked arrogance.

Speaker 6 (01:30:07):
Anybody could write a story about Ali. At that point time,
you could not sniff Bob Clappish's jock bro get over yourself.
You you have literate f hard you don't even know
how to use punctuation marks without fucking moron.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
I he couldn't, He could never write.

Speaker 6 (01:30:27):
Why do you make me do this every week?

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
You just asked the question that I wanted to know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
He could never write for someone other than himself, because
any other editor, cookie any other editor in this world,
a professional editor of a publication, myself included, would laugh
him out of the room.

Speaker 5 (01:30:49):
Without Hogan, Dave Meltzer would be a beat writer for
the San Jose newspaper, talking and covering high school sports.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
And yeah, question, yeah, And for the question of why
we do this every week, I think we're doing a
public service because when you get into if you first
start watching wrestling and you go on to the Internet,
the first thing that you know is you know that
Dave Meltzer he's got the scoop. That's the first thing
you find out when you go to the Internet and
you're a wrestling fan. We are the firewall.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Between between those people. Canada clearly think that he's the
he's the go to source. They brought him on to
talk about Hogan. They brought him on to talk about
Vince like he is not a guy that knows what's
going on.

Speaker 5 (01:31:34):
In the chat GPT brought him up. Okay, I'm sure
they were like, who's a who's a prominent wrestling journalist?
And his name popped up.

Speaker 6 (01:31:46):
It's whatever, a half assed publicist. Just make sure that
he is constantly the inbox of these people. So when
they go looking around for somebody, they got who's an
easy to get guests?

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
You know who you know who doesn't help things is
the Rock. Actually, the Rock doesn't help things because he
put him on and made him.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
You know, he's the wrestling expert.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
So we play Dwayne, my friend Dwayne.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
But we had that die out for years where Meltzer
wasn't the go to guy, and then once Dark Side
of the Ring came back, it was always Meltzer because
Cornett probably turns him down.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
So it's always Meltzer, honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
You know you know who I think was the catalyst
that made him big again, Conrad. Yeah, because when when
they started doing something to wrestle with Bruce Prichard, he
was using all of Meltzer's things, and that was when
Bruce Pritchard would go on his rants about Meltzer and
that's when the people that hate Bruce Pritchard and hate
w w E, they all gravitated more to Meltzer, and

(01:32:47):
then the young bucks started elevating him with the stupid
Meltzer driver stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
He you know, But here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
Dave Meltzer is not in the wrestling business, that never
has been, but he thinks he is. So hold on,
so somebody said he made it more popular than it
had ever been. Twice. Some argue early TV age was peak,
but I wasn't born yet, so us yes, worldwide, absolutely
not horse.

Speaker 6 (01:33:19):
Early.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
What he's saying that wrestling, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:33:25):
You can, that doesn't count. Early TVs there was what
two channels and there was nothing else. Of course, wrestling
was massive. TV was brand spanking new, and you only
have so many options to watch, so of course everybody
watched it. Could you imagine? I can't even I can't

(01:33:46):
even think of anything to compare it to. Well, you
know what. It's It's like the way people spend money
on the first Avatar film that was really truly the
first film to master three D. Think about that. The
early Golden Age is the equivalent of an Avatar nowv

(01:34:08):
jog three D. Yes, I know, I'm sorry. I didn't
mean to insult Friday to thirteenth three D or Draws
and any the third movie in a franchise that came
out that had to have a D inserted into it
with your all full little red and blue glasses. He
stunk back and stop it.

Speaker 7 (01:34:26):
The the it like you.

Speaker 6 (01:34:28):
It doesn't hold a candle to what happened in the eighties.
Wrestling had just kind of kind of become a thing
that that depending on where you lived, it was either
you know, if you were Southerner, it was super big.
You know, yes, as as our friend Travis Heckle would say,
Southerner's had two things on their mantle place, Jesus and
the Rock and Roll Express. But globally it wasn't the

(01:34:50):
powerhouse it was during the early TV era. And then
comes Vince McMahon plus Ho Cogan and the world is
a radically different place within a year of hul Caymania.

Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
They didn't see it, keV.

Speaker 6 (01:35:09):
I don't recall seeing shot a Buchi booty scratcher, a
dragon ichiko poke, Mom, go on, leto, I stop it
with this bullshit, fucking idiot.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Uh, let's see next one. So somebody says Ricky Dozan
a national hero in post war Japan, Yes, but his
fame was largely confined to Japan and Korea, and his
legacy is more foundational than global. Al Santo a Mexican
folk hero and film star, absolutely, but his cultural impact
was regional. Hogan's reach extended.

Speaker 5 (01:35:46):
And he goes.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
Yes, Ricky Dozan far bigger in Korea and Japan than
Hogan in the US, But Hogan bigger and more countries.
Ditto and Noki Exceptki's favor in Korea is more based
in Ricky Dozan, but he's very big culturally in Pakistan
and other places, but not as worldwide. Sand To is gigantic,
and Spanish culture bigger in it than Hogan is in
English culture, and you'd be surprised at how vast Spanish

(01:36:08):
culture is. But Hogan bigger and more places for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:36:13):
Nerd, Yeah, really yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:36:19):
After flushing the city its head down the toilet, I
would go, Hey, what's bigger the population of Latin America
or the population of the effing globe? You bad dye job, having, moron.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
We need to pull ogre from Revenge of the Nerds.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
Screaming Nerdu on the other channel, I have Hogan, I
have Homer Simpson doing.

Speaker 5 (01:36:43):
It on the global stage. Korea and Japan are about
the size of a fingernail on the human body. And
the fact is is that no one knows outside of
Korea or Japan. Ricky Dozan so clean.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
But I know if you go to.

Speaker 5 (01:37:05):
If you talk to a Korean today or a Japanese
person today, they know who the fuck Hawk Hogan is.
Let's stop playing games.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
Regina Sharp is checked in for fifty dollars, saying, ah,
everyone who studies knows that wrestling wasn't truly popular until
Kenny Omega wrestled with an inflatable bepet in Japan with
Osprey and the Dumb Fox covered in baby oil and
painted half blue. Wa oh, Regina Sharp, thank you very

(01:37:34):
very much for another fifty dollars. You are our guardian angel.
You know what, if anyone ever asks, uh, if I
ever overlook.

Speaker 8 (01:37:41):
You, it's not just no, it's a oh.

Speaker 5 (01:37:47):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
Well I do love that clip. And you know what,
at the Red House.

Speaker 5 (01:37:58):
We're black people and people.

Speaker 6 (01:38:00):
Buy furniture and expanding people too.

Speaker 5 (01:38:07):
Jesus, God's uncomfortable when I start talking. But at the
Red you know, unity.

Speaker 6 (01:38:18):
Big head saying expan x Apparently that that was the
prototype for for Latin X awful.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
I speak for white people when I say, we all
get a little uncomfortable when you start talking.

Speaker 5 (01:38:30):
Oh God, awesome, great, my day is done.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
So somebody says, yes, Dave, it might have existed a
little while longer, but it eventually would have folded. Hogan
is the reason WWE is still round today. He's the
reason people like me can enjoy the thing I love
basically every night of the week. He's the reason you
have the job that you do. I have no clue
these people come up with this people over tired. Guess what.
It never came close to dying. TV was changing. You

(01:39:02):
needed to embrace Cable and none of those uh no,
none of them, like not Vern, not Crockett, none of
them were ever going to turn on the others. It
took Vince and for Vince to make it successful. I
always pushed back on the idea that anyone could have
been Hull Cogan, that if like you know, if Chief

(01:39:23):
of Mania with Chief J Strongbow had come out there,
it would not have worked. It worked because it was
the it was the it was the right that was
that was a Kevin apolloism was Chief of Mania.

Speaker 8 (01:39:35):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
It was the right promoter and the right talent.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
And the idea is when we say I say things like,
none of us would be none of you listening to
the show right now would be here listening.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
To the show.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
We would not be doing this show if it wasn't
for Hule Cogan. And the reason is because wrestling wouldn't
be where it wouldn't be able to be. You know,
make a living doing show is like this And.

Speaker 5 (01:40:03):
Could you imagine Chief Mania smoke your new boards, drink
your whiskey and in bottles backstage.

Speaker 6 (01:40:12):
That's right, kids, Being a fake Indian it' easy. It
takes a lot of It takes a lot of Tobacci
and booze.

Speaker 5 (01:40:20):
I touch a woman's ass.

Speaker 6 (01:40:23):
As our color, Toots, where's my.

Speaker 5 (01:40:29):
Boss?

Speaker 6 (01:40:30):
Who was on the who was on the Jets practice
squad with Chief with Chief Jacobs Strombo and that fake Indian?
He was sucked on the line. Oh my god, you
want to make a bunch of money, but it ain't
paying him anything back then, which is true, by the way,
if you a big chunk of why why why why

(01:40:53):
wrestling feels so incestuous thro the eighties and the seventies
is because a lot of these guys played professional sports.
There were no guarantee There were no guaranteed contracts back then,
and you did not get paid in the offseason, so
a lot of them went into wrestling, and then as
wrestling kind of started to blow up or or rather
gained a lot of steam in the eighties, they decide
I'm not going back. That's that's why I see guys

(01:41:16):
like former Canadian football players. However, there's like not there's
there's more money here. It may be more horrific on body,
but that there's a lot more money and a lot
more fame here.

Speaker 5 (01:41:26):
The uh.

Speaker 6 (01:41:27):
Of course, though, the Haltzer goes and changes that eventually
because there's so much money coming in. Everybody's getting paid.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
Well, if anybody back then could have been Hogan, they
would not have had such a hard time replacing him.
When they tried multiple times. They tried to pass the
torch to the Warrior, it didn't work. They tried with Luger,
it didn't work. They tried with Brett, it didn't work.
They always came back to Hogan.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
So I don't think it would be easy to replace him.
But imagine a world where he didn't come in and
Bob Backlin didn't tell everyone that he's good. Now, is
there anyone that could have?

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
Do you think from that time period? Is there anyone
who could have taken.

Speaker 5 (01:42:08):
We would have had to wait a few years for
Macho Man to fully develop, but that would be the
person that I would see.

Speaker 6 (01:42:16):
He was up there, He was up there. I think
I think Dusty, Remember the slaughter was already around. Slaughter
was already around at that point.

Speaker 5 (01:42:29):
You shouldn't meet this Dusty Rhodes.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
I think I think Dusty could have done it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
I think I think in New York.

Speaker 5 (01:42:34):
I don't working in New York.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
I don't know, dude. I think Dusty has enough appeal
to everyone, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:42:43):
Like he you're giving the man rose colored glasses in
his in his earlier days. I mean he was a
region I thought that he was just a regional guy.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
I'm actually with I'm actually with this.

Speaker 6 (01:42:58):
I think Bail can yeah here. I think Dusty would
have made wrestling very popular, but Dusty would not have
been the transcendent star that was Hogan.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
I think, I think, I think, I think there's a
world that exists where we are still doing this show.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
If Dusty had been the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
One, Dustin was dust he transcended though man, Dusty got
the blue collars.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
That's what you know.

Speaker 6 (01:43:32):
But the part of Hogan's lore is that Dusty's Dusty's
not fighting still on a Rocky three. You know, Dusty's
going to be. Dusty's not leaving Johnny Carson of all
people speechless when he when he has to stand next
to him. The Dusty is going to be fantastic on TV.

(01:43:54):
You know, Dusty may even be okay for a random
novelty shot on on Saturday Night Live.

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
I got a great idea versus Dusty Rhodes WrestleMania three.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Give me a fucking could have been a cartoon does
He absolutely could have been a cartoon dog.

Speaker 5 (01:44:14):
And so many others.

Speaker 6 (01:44:16):
That's it. But Dusty's not dust He's not headlanding a
main cartoon on a but you know, on major networks
at that point in time. He could have been, you know,
but he worked on it. But there there was a
there There is a certain magnetism and star power about
hult Cogan. You know again, he was actually when you

(01:44:38):
when you are physically larger than life. There's there's a lot,
there's a lot you get to leap frog. Yes, Dusty
was the was the epitome of charisma and and and
Dusty was the man.

Speaker 5 (01:44:51):
But he had a face for radio.

Speaker 6 (01:44:54):
Well, but but Dusty and I wouldn't even say Dusty
probably would have been a little bit of a crossover
star amongst them, amongst amongst athletes, right, because Dusty was
a hell of a Dusty was a hell of a
multi sport athlete. Does not get enough credit for his
for his for his actual athleticism, being the guys in
three different Hall of Fames I think, or maybe four

(01:45:14):
the But I it's just it's they're not there. He's
still not. He's not You're not getting Dusty mania. You're
just not. It's not gonna hit the same way.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
Yeah, I don't think it would be the same. I'm
just saying that I think that there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
I think w W could have been successful had been
gone with Dusty, like legend tells, you know, Flair.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
Always said if Sting had gone to w W E
instead of w c W, there never would have had
been a need for Haul Coogan.

Speaker 7 (01:45:45):
That night.

Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
Yeah, thing is sing doesn't have the promo. Sting doesn't
have the.

Speaker 6 (01:45:51):
I don't think there would have been a need for
an Ultimate Warrior. Maybe maybe Ultimate Warrior or or probably
Sting probably bumps out Brett thing, probably delays Bret's ascension
by about a good five years. But no, you you
don't get Sting without Hull Cogan. I'm sorry, you just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Possible.

Speaker 5 (01:46:13):
They they they knew through watching Haul Cogan on television.
All the other promotions knew like, this is what we
need to be going after, and they all tried. You
had uh carry Van Eric in w c c W,
you had Jerry Lawler. But the thing is is that
they were not and I don't mean to sound ghee,

(01:46:35):
but Hogan was attractive. He transced, he came through the screen.
It's so tough to really to relate, but it's so true.
Like they did not have a face for television. Hogan
was the prototype for what I mean, what in America

(01:47:00):
can look like.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
You said, macho man awful, and I would push back
a little bit awesome. I would push back on macho
man a little bit because I think I think macho man,
he he's scary to moms, you know what I mean,
Like he's he's he doesn't have that like every single.

Speaker 5 (01:47:16):
Man that man puts sling jem back on the map.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
And also I will I will say, I bet he
was a little too emotional to be able to carry
everything that Hogan was able to carry.

Speaker 5 (01:47:26):
True, I will give you that. But as far as
charisma and coming through the screen, macho man all day,
just like you would think that Ronnie Piper would be
the same way. I feel the same way about macho Man.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
Well, Meltzer also said, wow, somebody said, wow, talk about
an ego.

Speaker 6 (01:47:48):
No wonder.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
Somebody in the industry can't stand you. The smart ones
and the honest ones love me. Some of the cons
do as well, But most of the cons hate me
for the same reason they'd hate any other reporter who
sees the root that.

Speaker 6 (01:48:01):
Yes, Shad can't stand me with Tony.

Speaker 7 (01:48:04):
That's my g.

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
Somebody said, you would be flipping burgers. You would be
flipping burgers if not for him, And he goes after
the work I did in the last twenty four hours,
I could so confidently know I'd be doing the exact
same thing in another sport or the political world.

Speaker 13 (01:48:23):
The political world, Yeah, yeah, you're gonna be lighting up
the New York Post, Dave Meltzer, You're gonna be you
be writing for the Wall Street Journal, covering sensitive geopolitical matters.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
And by the way, doesn't Isn't that him admitting that
he wouldn't be writing wrestling if it weren't for Hogan.
Isn't say No, he's saying that if wrestling was gone
and he wasn't in wrestling, I was my hair part.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
I was blessed with certain gifts and wrestling has nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:48:55):
To do with any of them.

Speaker 1 (01:48:56):
What the fuck is your gift? Your gift is you
were the first person up to the plate.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Well, my point was that he had previously been going
on about how I'd be writing about wrestling, I who
wasn't for Hogan. Hogan didn't save wrestling this and right
now he's saying that he wouldn't he'd be writing about
political pol.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
Because he's taking it to another hypothetical disc Where gotcha?

Speaker 5 (01:49:19):
We're reading way too much into this.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
Yeah, No, I was blessed with certain gifts and wrestling
has nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
To do with them.

Speaker 6 (01:49:29):
Yes, I suffer from O c D. I'm mildly autistic,
and I am a blithering idiot who suffers from mass delusions.
Those are my gifts, your gift.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
He's not being a writer. You're the He's the worst.
He is the worst professional writer I have ever seen.

Speaker 6 (01:49:47):
I also have an unlimited supply of just for men.

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
This wrestling journalism thing didn't exist in the matter I
do it before me. Yeah, that's why you're still in
it because you were the first one at the plate
and people have been listening to you for thirty years,
so they just keep listening to you. And if you
actually read the issue I put together as quickly as
I did, you'd deep know realize that you deep know

(01:50:16):
realize that is that one of your Yeah, is that
is that one of your Is that one of your
massive gifts? That wrestling has something to do with your
your wordsmithing? You deep no realize that, you fucking moron.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
You also started a sentence with the word and by
the way, of course he did because he's not a writer.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
He has no idea how to craft the English language.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
Me and you, Dave, you don't pretend you're more though,
you know it makes me feel like everything that he
says is so phony.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
It's like the issue, the issue is what matters.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
He can go and write in the issue whatever he
wants the world to think he thought at the time,
and he believes that that's all that matters. But he's
living in the world where he's putting this stuff out,
and how does he expect not to be judged on this?

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
You know, this is very true. David Russo. David Russo
are cut from the same plot. They're both terrible writers
who are professional writers.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
It's so funny because.

Speaker 6 (01:51:26):
Here's the only different stuff. Vince Russo made the WV
a ship ton of money and made a lot of careers.
What has what has what has Dave Meltzer done for anybody?

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
And Vince Russo is actually in the wrestling business.

Speaker 5 (01:51:40):
Excuse me, gentlemen, excuse me, excuse me. Dave Meltzer is
currently booking for aw that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
He might might be mistaken it. If you want to
talk about court file.

Speaker 6 (01:51:55):
To come through so we know what's up.

Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
Yeah, and then finally, uh. Eric Bischoff has been involved
in wrestling since the eighties and he has had two
successful years in that whole stretch.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
Two years.

Speaker 1 (01:52:06):
That's a damn. I've only had thirty eight in a row. No,
you've had zero. You're not involved in wrestling. You're a journalist.
That's like, that's like that, that's like that's like a
political reporter being like, you know, uh man, I was
really successful during those Clinton years where the budget was
you know or what like you you weren't involved, you

(01:52:28):
were reporting about.

Speaker 5 (01:52:29):
It, right, Jim Acosta said, I've been on television two
hundred and ninety seven times, but you still suck.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
You did you have the immediate reaction that I did
of thirty seven in a row when you saw that bar.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Right, Regina Sharp, for another fifty dollars, says, we're all
just CON's in Meltzer's prison. Meltzer is like every opinionated
ass white who thinks that they transcend the job they
do adequately and they understand more than everyone else. Poster
child of Dunning Krueger. Indeed absolutely Dave Meltzer, but you
know what he has his family. They're also known.

Speaker 5 (01:53:15):
You know, Regina has got it so right on that,
because yes, like it. Professional wrestling is not one of
the highest forms of entertainment, to say the least, and
so when you're writing on it, you're not going to
be seen as you know, some Politzer Prize winning, you know, journalists,

(01:53:37):
so you have to hype yourself. He's got to choot
his own horn because no one else is going to ye.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
Again.

Speaker 6 (01:53:47):
He just he is unearned narcissism, with the with the
with with a heavy coating of delusion. He puts himself
over because he has too. And now he exists in
a space where he's getting constant pushback and there are
people who do what he does significantly better than him.

(01:54:09):
Chris Van leet Fleet is his worst nightmare. He actually
liked the guy. People like what he writes, and people
sit down and talk to him. Well, Sam Roberts probably
gives him, gives him.

Speaker 3 (01:54:23):
And look, and I know.

Speaker 6 (01:54:26):
More talent.

Speaker 1 (01:54:26):
And I know I know a lot of you guys
hate him, but Sean Ross Sap is ten million times better.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Guys, how about this, Mike Johnson, You don't have to
go to Shawn Ross. Mike Johnson, of course, Mike Johnson
what he dreams he could be. How about this awful
wrestling And let me tell you why we were talking
earlier today.

Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
Because now he's back.

Speaker 2 (01:54:53):
Because last last year, of course, people were hitting us
up with stories about a e W talent and they
were down, like, because the whole deal was is that
they were down.

Speaker 3 (01:55:05):
You know, they weren't being used on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
And a lot of WWE fans were coming out and
being like, why isn't this person on TV? And suddenly
Me and Awful start getting a whole lot of messages
talking about how bad this person was. Maybe they went
and said something that wasn't so terrible about WWE. So
the WWE fans were getting on their side. And I
was running that by somebody who might know, and they said, yeah,

(01:55:29):
they were more They're more likely to reach out to
someone like Awful because he steers the conversation. People like,
if you want to reach a WWE fan, now, if
you want to steer that conversation, you work Awful.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
You don't work the dirt sheets anymore because you put something.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
You work the dirt sheats, you put something in there,
and all the WWE fans are just gonna be like, oh,
it's BS, no one cares about that. You tell Awful
wrestling and get him talking about it. You got the
entire WWEIWC all going going on that route.

Speaker 3 (01:56:02):
And that's why I'm telling you, man, that's what we are.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
People like us You're still not getting a free T
shirt though.

Speaker 3 (01:56:12):
I've been waiting for it for six months.

Speaker 5 (01:56:14):
People like.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
But people like us are the ones that going forward,
wrestlers are going to reach out. Wrestlers are going to
start trying to you know how in the past they
were they would use the sheets to work people, they
would use the sheets to get storylines out. Matt Hardy
famously reached out to guys like Dave Meltzer when he
quote unquote left WWE to try to get his story

(01:56:41):
out and say that he.

Speaker 3 (01:56:42):
Was gonna go to Ring of Honor. That's something they
did in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
Now it's gonna be accounts like Awful, It's gonna be
accounts like Beard. It's gonna be those guys because they're
steering the conversation. No one takes Dave or any of
those guys seriously anymore, especially WWE fans and Unreal.

Speaker 3 (01:56:59):
You can talk about our real we'll get into that
next week.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
But if Unreal does anything, it's not destroying cap Bape,
it's destroying dirt cheats.

Speaker 5 (01:57:08):
Yeah, guys, he my gosh, he is just absolutely blithering
the worst.

Speaker 1 (01:57:16):
Anyway. Yeah, that's stayfully.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
We do have the one more video mark if you
want the other day video.

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
All right, there is one more day video.

Speaker 3 (01:57:36):
That's a nice little.

Speaker 10 (01:57:36):
Captain brainwashed a lot of people about, you know, the
idea that wrestling was never popular before, and you know,
women never went to wrestling, and kids never went to wrestling,
and families.

Speaker 5 (01:57:48):
Never Meltzer's got his arm arms. That's great.

Speaker 14 (01:57:56):
Oh, that is kind of funny, poor And it's just like,
my god, when I went to when I went to
wrestling for the first time, when I was eleven years old,
the place was swarming with kids.

Speaker 10 (01:58:10):
The myths of that that that Vince and these guys
have created about wrestling, it's unbelieve, like blew my mind.
Some of the questions that I was being asked just
blew my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
No one thinks Vince McMann created wrestling. That wrestling wasn't popular.
It was that the regional the regional way was presented
was running out of time.

Speaker 6 (01:58:35):
Well, for here's the other nonsense goal a thing to
his his his revisionist history. Again, you're you're forgetting the
golden age. Everybody was watching wrestling. Also, how many how
many people, I guarantee you everybody watching this right now
has a two stories of someone talking about their grandmother

(01:58:57):
loving wrestling. Women went to wrestling, They just except so
it was just a male centric product. Again it there's
a lot of tistoia and all that other stuff going on,
so like it just there's a natural pull to it.
Wrestling was popular. Wrestling used to be covered in the

(01:59:19):
New York Times. For God's sakes, people would stand in
Central Park for four and a half five hours watching
one match. That no one is saying that wrestling wasn't
a thing on that it wasn't popular. But the reality
of it is is due to the nature of the
regional programming, wrestling was not as popular as it was

(01:59:44):
in the fifties, as it was in the seventies, as
it was as it was or even the early eighties.
It's not until whole Comania it starts run wild that
wrestling everywhere starts the heat up and the big giftween
then and now is the Dewey is doing phenomenal business.

(02:00:07):
Everybody else is struggling. Back then, the w interesting phenomenal business,
and in turn, everybody else who wasn't stuck in their
ways started doing phenomenal business.

Speaker 4 (02:00:20):
If if vern.

Speaker 6 (02:00:23):
Vern and Watson, everybody else decided to get with the program,
they probably would have held no longer, but the Crockets
were the only ones who adjusted with the times, so
they got a hell of a run out of it.
It's it's this, this was bullshit that the excuse is
really irritating.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
No, women and women and kids did go to wrestling
before that, but they went because the dad was interested,
because he wanted to go, and they probably enjoyed themselves
because it's fun.

Speaker 3 (02:00:54):
But that's why they went.

Speaker 2 (02:00:56):
The shift in the eighties that people, I think don't
if people that are stuck in the bubble don't realize
that culture in general was moving towards marketing more towards
children and women. It started a little bit in the seventies,
but before the seventies, everything was straight white male. That
was the only they got entertainment, they got sports, everything
was marketed towards them.

Speaker 6 (02:01:17):
And you know what, it started shifting the eighties, by
the way.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
Yeah, it started shifting in the seventies and then Vince
realized it and he jumped on with the kids. It
wasn't even legal to market towards kids for the longest time,
and you know it's fixed. Yeah, and Vince noticed that,
and he was the one that capitalized on it. So
was it popular with kids? Sure, but they weren't. But

(02:01:42):
no kids were busting down their dad's door to go
see Dick the Bruiser fight Bulldog Bob Brown at the VF.
You know, I mean, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (02:01:50):
It just wasn't.

Speaker 2 (02:01:51):
They were happy, they were fine being there, but they
weren't real about it.

Speaker 6 (02:02:02):
Bob is the champion of thes.

Speaker 1 (02:02:08):
Al right, Beard, all right, So we have got to
get to some super chats. We are so far behind
on them right now. John Williams for four ninety nine.
Is strange twist of fate that Jake the Snake is
one of the few guys of that era that's still alive.
I'm convinced that Jake of the Snake is you law.
He's the one, and every time somebody else from that

(02:02:29):
era dies, he gets a little stronger.

Speaker 2 (02:02:31):
Here he admitted he made a deal with the devil.
Right here he said that one hundred times. We know
how Jake's alive.

Speaker 6 (02:02:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:02:39):
Really.

Speaker 1 (02:02:40):
Cohen Branden Tyson six eight seven nine for ten dollars
has felt like match would Sting at Starcade was point
at the beginning of the end of WCW. What do
you think could have been if Hogan would have played ball.

Speaker 5 (02:02:55):
With the finish?

Speaker 1 (02:02:56):
Not a big fan of Hulks, but thanks for what
you did. I mean, look, Sting should have had a
very decisive, big victory. It could have catapulted it. I
think everyone kind of left confused by it. Honestly, as
a kid, I didn't really notice it that much, like
when I went because now I started watching wrestling shortly
after this happened, So I went back and watched everything,

(02:03:16):
and it didn't really like come to my attention that
something was up until like years later.

Speaker 3 (02:03:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:03:24):
Do you guys think WCW like hit a a stutter
step at that point?

Speaker 5 (02:03:29):
The Sting when when he was supposed to beat Flair,
I can't remember the pay per view, but they did
it like a year or too late, and by then
it was just like a sting that the train has
already left the station.

Speaker 3 (02:03:43):
I gotta say about Sting man, even Sting will admit it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:46):
We like everyone makes jokes about the Sting didn't show
up ten so he didn't get so he didn't get
to win, that's the great joke.

Speaker 3 (02:03:54):
But he also showed up high and Sting will admit that.

Speaker 6 (02:03:59):
So the guy wins and screams Mama Sita. After not
talking for a year and a half, our first words
from Stinger Mama Sita. Guy was higher than I understand,
being off.

Speaker 3 (02:04:13):
I get it, Hogan.

Speaker 2 (02:04:16):
Hogan was reacting to Sing the same way that Sting
reacted to Jeff Hardy. Now I understand seeing what high
as Jeff Hardy was because he wasn't, you know, drinking people.

Speaker 1 (02:04:25):
No human being in the history of mankind has ever
been as high as Jeff Hardy.

Speaker 2 (02:04:29):
Because yeah, he found he found some weird Russian experimental
drugs to use that night. But you know, when you
look at the full picture, could would that night have
been better?

Speaker 3 (02:04:41):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (02:04:41):
But I don't think that Sting was ever going to
be the guy that was going to I think WSW,
no matter what happened, was on the downswing at that
point because the creative juices were just running out, you know,
and and and the company behind them had stopped being
behind them.

Speaker 5 (02:05:00):
Pogan added five years of life to w CW.

Speaker 3 (02:05:03):
That that's it.

Speaker 6 (02:05:07):
It's WCW was always a non factor. It was just
a place for guys who didn't have WB contracts anymore
to go and continue to wrestle like they were. They
were the solid number two without Bischoff and in turn
Hogan and interned in National Hall. You don't get the
creative spark needed to make the changes that needed to happen,

(02:05:30):
you know, the going live that the changing the production value,
the more of the attempted telling uh edgier, more realistic storytelling.
It was in response to where we were culturally at
the time. But Sting is still Sting is still the
Sting is still the guy who leads the who leads

(02:05:51):
the B show I was. When I was a kid,
My one of my uncles used to I would always
try to stay up to watch w CW Power Out
or at the time, what was the CBS for me?
And whenever he would catch me watching, he go, why
are you watching the fake stuff? WWF is the real wrestling?
See that. That's how not not Southerners looked at.

Speaker 2 (02:06:14):
When when I started So I stopped watching WWF after
Hogan lost a Warrior because I was six, and that's
what I did.

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
This is my sign for move on. Okay, we've hit
that point. For as much as we can hit on it.

Speaker 3 (02:06:29):
You just don't like it because we're talking bad about Sting.

Speaker 1 (02:06:32):
No heard, We're spending ten minutes on every super chat,
and I've got a backlog of him. John Williams of
four ninety nine says Bubba records people sleeping with his
wife and brings the tape to his office and tells
his employees about it. Yes, Bubba's a scumbag. Regina shop
for twenty dollars. His friends, real Americans, countrymen, lend me
your ears. I come to Oh, I think it was

(02:06:54):
supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (02:06:55):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:06:55):
I come to bury Hogan, not to praise him. The
evil that men do lives after them. The good is
oft interred with their bones. At least he killed Gawker
before he left. He did kill Gawker.

Speaker 6 (02:07:08):
He dropped that leg and that that shrilling harpy.

Speaker 1 (02:07:11):
Did you see her all over Twitter this week?

Speaker 2 (02:07:15):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (02:07:15):
I she became a pet project for me.

Speaker 1 (02:07:19):
I'm sure she was she a writer for them? Or
was she one of their owner? Was she one of
like the top people?

Speaker 6 (02:07:26):
She was one of the writers. I irritated her enough
that she blocked me.

Speaker 1 (02:07:30):
So this this shrilling bitch. I mean, she went off
on Hogan being dead and like praising the fact that
he was dead because he destroyed Gawker. Goker never should
have printed a person that was filmed without their consent.
You were always going to be sued into oblivion. He
won that lawsuit rightfully. That Black Bear.

Speaker 6 (02:07:54):
Released the content, released the transcript because they knew they
were going to lose, so he got every penny he
gotten from them.

Speaker 1 (02:08:02):
That Black Bear for five dollars is keV Rance to
his kids. They better not bring him a bear, So
eat your garbage. John Williams for four niney nine is
after wrestleming he ate Hogan was going away because of
a certain trial. Is that true?

Speaker 5 (02:08:18):
What?

Speaker 6 (02:08:18):
What? What? What year?

Speaker 1 (02:08:20):
Wrestling?

Speaker 6 (02:08:21):
He ight.

Speaker 5 (02:08:23):
Steroid trial?

Speaker 1 (02:08:24):
Maybe is that true?

Speaker 4 (02:08:26):
In time?

Speaker 3 (02:08:27):
No, you're right.

Speaker 5 (02:08:32):
This well this is gone. But uh yeah, I think
that was a steroid trial. Okay, I'm guessing.

Speaker 6 (02:08:44):
Yeah, we'll hold you know Hogan. I was yeah, well,
you know, Hogan deflates. You know, he had probably had
to go, you know, cycle down and you know, and
then reappear. Yeah. Yeah, it's a one size. I wanted
to test your pep. You need to you know, Yenna, Yeah,

(02:09:05):
it happens.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
John Williams, John Williams for four ninety nine, says Jimmy
Hart was apparently told apparently told Hogan to use red
and yellow for the same reason McDonald's does. Those are
eye catching and you're drawn to it instinctively. I never
thought about that.

Speaker 6 (02:09:23):
Food, folks and fun Daddy.

Speaker 1 (02:09:28):
John Williams also for fort ninety nine is Hogan let
Lanny have a win on a house show. Lanny was
so grateful that when Savage wanted to do his disc track,
Lanny refused to help. That's a story I never heard.
You guys ever heard that story.

Speaker 5 (02:09:43):
I've never heard of that story, but it is quite
a fascinating war. Listen, I will not help you, right,
be a man.

Speaker 6 (02:09:54):
Dear brother, I cannot partake and this soliloquy.

Speaker 1 (02:10:00):
But who writes a rap album? And they're like, you
know what, I need Lanny Pofo to help me write this.

Speaker 6 (02:10:05):
Because Marcha loved his brother. Honestly, who was gonna write
better lyrics than Lanny Elizabeth Elizabeth, Well, she was gone
at that point. Boy.

Speaker 1 (02:10:18):
Sorry, hold on, I think I just lost audio.

Speaker 6 (02:10:23):
I can hear her tendencies two.

Speaker 1 (02:10:26):
Please hold on, guys, I can't hear anything anymore.

Speaker 6 (02:10:35):
Okay, don't be a chump.

Speaker 4 (02:10:45):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (02:10:49):
Lanny Okay, Andre Adams for four ninety nine says, I
feel like Dave Meltzer and punchable face means the same thing.
Oh boy, uh Luigi Tron fifty one for ten dollars
is be fair. I'm Mexican American and my dad knew
two wrestlers only, Hulk Cogan and El Santo. He would

(02:11:10):
always tell me and my brothers that El Santo would
eat Hogan's lunch, and then he requests.

Speaker 6 (02:11:15):
A I watched Santo kick the crap out of Aliens
often it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:11:29):
Regina Sharp for ten dollars is Earth six one nine
is raymis STEREO's Earth Awful.

Speaker 6 (02:11:36):
Looks like San Diego.

Speaker 1 (02:11:42):
John Williams of fort nine nine says, hey, Dave. They
say they shifted the market to kids to get it
mainstream because the eighties companies realized toys where where money was.
Lucas knew this well again and this this.

Speaker 6 (02:11:55):
Is a credit to Vince. Vince understood merchandising was where
the money came from. That's why, that's why w w
w F was the first book toys the buddies all
that crap, and then Hogan also understood this, which is
why Hogan changed his outfits as often as he did.
You know, the rook Boys shirts. All that stuff was

(02:12:16):
geared towards maximizing their ability to earn.

Speaker 1 (02:12:20):
Profit in the territories. Where was merchandise ever? Like a
big thing? Like they were never toys in the territories right.

Speaker 2 (02:12:29):
That.

Speaker 5 (02:12:29):
I remember t shirts and babbles, but I didn't have shirts.

Speaker 6 (02:12:36):
That doesn't start until the w w F makes it mainstream.
Vince was the first person to start putting catsphrages on shirts.
The most you could have gotten was a couple of
guys who had a you know who knew how to
make an iron on shirt. You know, maybe you got
a couple of Dusty sucks eggs, you know, or like
the you know, the guy just like the Horseman. But

(02:12:56):
you had to be pretty savvy and had and needed
to have access to stuff. Actually, Lawler, I'll get Lawler.
Lawler was good on merchandising too. So out of all
the territories you had Jerry Lawler Vince McMahon who really
capitalized on it.

Speaker 5 (02:13:10):
Well, yeah, Lawler. Lawler was real good at marketing for
his particular company. Like he I think he was one
of the first, like do music videos like but they
didn't make it mainstream. They didn't know how to branch
out and use the marketing with that. They had to
really go global war. Even at the time National.

Speaker 2 (02:13:30):
Nick and STD a lot of had a lot of
business sense about that kind of stuff too.

Speaker 3 (02:13:35):
He was selling T shirts and doing that, but nothing
on that lot. I mean, it was just Saint Louis,
you know.

Speaker 1 (02:13:40):
Right, I mean T shirts were obviously always a thing,
but I mean, for you know, guys are selling their
own and whatnot.

Speaker 6 (02:13:46):
But the.

Speaker 1 (02:13:49):
The toys, I think that's that is a WWE creation
because who else was making You're not gonna make toys
and only release them in New Orleans, right right?

Speaker 6 (02:14:00):
Again, that was that was part of the global strategy
and its unfortunately, you know, the you know, Russo is
correct in the sense that for a very long time
there was a Southern bias when it came to New
York and Hollywood. I mean, clearly it still exists. But
if you had an accent, they they weren't going.

Speaker 5 (02:14:18):
To let you in, you know.

Speaker 6 (02:14:20):
So that's also why Vince, you know, Vince attacked Hollywood
because Vince understood this is where maximum exposure is going
to come from. Unfortunately, WCW can never break through because
WCW had the air of being wrestling not wrestling.

Speaker 5 (02:14:37):
And they held on that mon to that mission statement
for a long time.

Speaker 1 (02:14:42):
I just saw we got another fifty yellar super chat
from Rerginia Sharp just in case. Breaking eight point seven
mag earthquake off the coast of kam Chotka, Russia. Northern
Pacific Islands and coastlines are under tsunami warnings illusion to Hawaii, Japan, Guam,
and us W coast under warning. Please be aware of

(02:15:02):
your areas. Oh my goodness, If any of our listeners
are in that area, please be safe, Please understand, please
please pay attention to what's going on. And then thank
you for Gina Shop for learning us off this min
that that is uh that that that is pretty crazy
and then uh let's see.

Speaker 5 (02:15:18):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (02:15:19):
John Williams also says the Tan story is Bischoff trying
to be professional, i e. Not talking about someone else's
personal problems. Wow, so that's Bischoff just kind of eating
that on the chin.

Speaker 3 (02:15:28):
Huh yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:15:30):
Well well well this, well, this fat bastard is good.
Scrimma was a lot in.

Speaker 2 (02:15:35):
Town I believe Sting was the one who admitted that
it was a drug problem that it.

Speaker 1 (02:15:40):
Was John Williams Fortnite nine is the best part of
the Hogan suing Gawker was his lawsuit was being paid
for by someone else who had beef with them, so
Hogan didn't spend a dime on that, much like Gina
Carano's lawsuit with didn't being paid for by Elon Muskin. Finally,
uh cw J one two eight eight for two dollars
is if only a you understood merchandising. Yeah, well, we

(02:16:02):
have a segment planned for next week where we're gonna
go through the aw shop and just look at some
of the merch that they have because it is striking.
But Kevin Apollo, my friend, you have got to go
because you've got a show in about forty five minutes
over there on the pro channel, Late Night with Lauren
and Apollo. So as we end here, we're gonna give
you the first plug so you can head over there

(02:16:23):
and start putting your head together with Lauren.

Speaker 6 (02:16:25):
Yeah. We guy's head over to a ww pro channel
to watch Lauren and I Night two of Late Night's
best brand new show. We already are a bigger Jrud
than Steven Colbert because we're gonna have more than twenty
people in our chat. So I think we're actually in
a new short story Mark. So hopefully you guys will

(02:16:46):
come by have some fun. A lot of you there
on Fridays, which was awesome. Other than that, come see
me on the twitters and on the on on the instagrams,
and I know I'll see you guys on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (02:16:58):
All right, see Kevin and I'm I. I have the link.
I'm going to see if I can make it over there.
If not, then I willsh you good luck. They'll be
there Friday.

Speaker 4 (02:17:07):
They'll be there Friday.

Speaker 1 (02:17:08):
Why not much?

Speaker 3 (02:17:17):
If you want to check out Max made his whole
Cogan video.

Speaker 1 (02:17:20):
Oh yes, you want to play that?

Speaker 6 (02:17:22):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:17:22):
I was just gonna send him over if we have time,
we could play it. Yeah, the one I was.

Speaker 1 (02:17:27):
Moving to the end because I knew Kevin had to go.
But we can absolutely take a bath.

Speaker 3 (02:17:30):
So Max. We met Hulkgan last year.

Speaker 2 (02:17:32):
It was actually from Max's birthday and he made his
first video was about our visit to or our meeting
Hull Cogan. I slowed it down because it's a short.
He had to make it under a minute, so I
slowed it down so he can understand a little more.
I took out the Hogan music so.

Speaker 15 (02:17:47):
Fe Wrestler never met him.

Speaker 16 (02:17:50):
So when I found out that he was going to
just be one hour away from us, I could not
let miss it. So we got his old wrestling body
Thunderlips figure and drove over an hour or so. Place
called Frankie and Louisa Cheezburger.

Speaker 15 (02:18:02):
A nice guy even let me take a picture of
the world title and.

Speaker 11 (02:18:05):
Then we waited and waited and waited. He got there
an hour late and.

Speaker 15 (02:18:09):
He kept moving around, so we got pushed out of
line well okay, technically the mob, but unfortunately we did
not get to meet him.

Speaker 1 (02:18:15):
Max even got so upset that he started to cry,
shut up, this.

Speaker 6 (02:18:19):
Is my video.

Speaker 16 (02:18:21):
Anyways, on the way home, we found out they had
no appearance as to our next day, So okay, two,
we got the wrestling buddy.

Speaker 11 (02:18:30):
And don't get about Thunderlips and drove over another hour.
We got there for about twenty people in nine. Right
after we got there, Bold again.

Speaker 15 (02:18:41):
Was late for this time line laws were in effect,
so just a few minutes after he showed up, twenty
four hours after a quest began, and thirty four years
after he became a dad's he bro, we met Hulkgin.

Speaker 11 (02:18:52):
He even shook my hands through time a seconds so
I could transfer show my energy to him.

Speaker 15 (02:18:55):
So it might have been tough, but in the end
it was all worth it.

Speaker 11 (02:18:58):
Thanks for watching.

Speaker 1 (02:19:01):
Wow fantastic. Hey, you know I forgot about the energy transfer.
Max might have given the Holkster his last you know,
his last year on this earth.

Speaker 3 (02:19:09):
That's yeah, Max.

Speaker 2 (02:19:10):
When when Hogan died, he said, uh, he goes, you know,
I still I still think I can feel some of
the energy that we transferred between each.

Speaker 3 (02:19:16):
Other in my hand.

Speaker 2 (02:19:18):
So he was actually really broken up about it. Uh
just it was more about with him. I think it
was more just about he met somebody who died kind
of thing, you know. But but yeah, he was very
proud of that. So I told him I would I
would show people.

Speaker 1 (02:19:33):
So there you go, all right, guys, Well, you know,
love him or hate him, the Houlkster was a part
of all of our lives. And uh, you know, he
earned his spot in wrestling history. He's on pretty much
everybody's wrestling Mount Rushmore because how could you deny it
unless you're Dave Meltzer Awful Wrestling. What have you got
going on?

Speaker 5 (02:19:54):
I got nothing going on. I'm uh yeah, I'm just
here now. I'm you know, still working on episode four
and still getting information on that death of the aew
on YouTube. Uh, still compiling up some research for Awful
Jeopardy mar this. I would love to have you guys

(02:20:16):
on at some point.

Speaker 3 (02:20:17):
I'm in the Tournament of Champions, so you are.

Speaker 4 (02:20:20):
Yeah, let me know.

Speaker 1 (02:20:21):
I make every attempt, every attempt. Yes, I can never
be anyone that I'll be anywhere anymore.

Speaker 5 (02:20:28):
Right you God damn right, you're not. But yeah, you
can also check me out on Twitter and h Also,
uh yeah, you can see me under bridges trolling for money.

Speaker 2 (02:20:41):
Oh you know what we should mention. Also, this will
be up on Friday on the audio feed, so if
you want to kind of listen in, you can do
that on Spotify or anywhere to get podcasts. And if
you're listening to the audio version of this right now,
head over to YouTube dot com slash at tune Wrestling
and you can join in live and super chat and

(02:21:03):
talk to us and talk to the other people and
be a part of the show. So if you're listening
to us on the podcast, make sure you check us
out every Tuesday, eight pm, seven pm Central Time. The
chats asking about Summer Slam, Marv, I think we've kind
of decided about WWE shows that were Yeah, but we are.

Speaker 1 (02:21:19):
Still doing Summer Slam.

Speaker 5 (02:21:21):
Oh what are you talking about?

Speaker 6 (02:21:23):
This money?

Speaker 1 (02:21:24):
The decision that we made was that we were still
doing at least the Big Four.

Speaker 2 (02:21:28):
Okay, well, I'm supposed to go watch Summer Slim at
a at.

Speaker 3 (02:21:31):
A at A.

Speaker 1 (02:21:32):
That's I figured you weren't going to be there, Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:21:34):
Okay, yeah yeah. Max.

Speaker 2 (02:21:35):
By the way, Max did spend his his his uh
birthday money on buying tickets for us to go see
Summer Slam at the movie theater in town. So I'll
be able to.

Speaker 1 (02:21:44):
Talk about you doing like old School at Closed Circuit TV.

Speaker 3 (02:21:47):
Yeah, they're doing it at a regal theaters. So we're
doing that.

Speaker 5 (02:21:51):
See that's crazy when you when you live in a
third world town like this, does you get to see
stuff like that?

Speaker 3 (02:21:57):
That's everywhere?

Speaker 4 (02:21:59):
Real?

Speaker 1 (02:22:01):
So guys, I just put the link. I just put
the link for Late Night with Lornen and Apollo in
the chat, so you guys, want to head over there.
That's that kicks off at eleven p m. I might
be there a little bit later if I can, if
I can get the stuff that they have the coolest
intro song ever. It's like an actual like song with
Loan and Apollo.

Speaker 7 (02:22:22):
I like it all.

Speaker 1 (02:22:22):
Yeah, really dude, Yeah, but it's an actual song like
this isn't it's a song like about Lorn and Apollo.

Speaker 3 (02:22:32):
It's a theme.

Speaker 1 (02:22:33):
It's an actual yeah, like, it's an actual song about
Lorn and Apollo. All right, all right, guys, that doesn't
for this, that doesn't this week. Thank you everyone to
everyone is super chat everyone who lurked, and thank you
to the replay crew. Thank you to a w Neckbeard's
armd extraordinaire out there in the check keeping you guys company.
All right, well to all of us there at the

(02:22:54):
from all of us here at the two the gun channels,
I'm Marve the movie monster. Now Betty the platypus raf
of my thank youiny dog.

Speaker 7 (02:23:10):
Thank you your piece of trash, thank you, thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:23:19):
I suppose you want me to say thank you all?

Speaker 9 (02:23:23):
What saying thank you is like jobbing?

Speaker 7 (02:23:27):
Thank you?

Speaker 5 (02:23:28):
A little message.

Speaker 7 (02:23:31):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (02:23:32):
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 7 (02:23:45):
Thanks for what.

Speaker 3 (02:23:49):
I you from all of us here at Tunytown, thank you,
and you was like you.

Speaker 5 (02:23:55):
Thank you.

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