Leftover Pork Belly Won't Keep The Lights On

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Speaker 1 (00:48):
He is Chemith Barry and I am P. D.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Camio And we got a lot of ship to talk
about this past week. Uh, a lot of a good
amount of transactions happened. Football is being played week too.
The preseason just passed us. The curse of Kyle Williams continues.
We're headed into the final game. What happened with colwams.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Sky Moore got traded to the Niners after he got
that punt return touchdown against the Seahawks. Wait, I don't
like I.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Think I think you're talking about Kyle Williams the Patriots,
the receiver for Remember the famed Arizona State wide receiver
Kyle Williams for the Niners who fumbled punt returns that allegedly,
you know, kept them from making it back to the
super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, so essentially sky Moore a faster version of that
who was on the Chiefs. Did he also go to
Arizona State. No, he went to Western Michigan and he
had like a legendary kickoff return for a touchdown to
win a game in college. But he had like a
super long punt return for a touchdown against the Seahawks
even though they lost that game, and then they traded

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him to the Niners, which ironically for his career, I
think he's returned like ten punchs or something like that,
Like three of them have been fumbled. Geez. So it's like, yeah,
the curse of Kyle Williams continues, because apparently if you're
a nine ers the only thing more dangerous to being
a Rapper or a Barbers being a forty nine ers
wide receiver right now, because of all the injuries.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
And don't forget uh, skyt Moore cost to you your season.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Two years, whole season. I'm still like honestly picking Kyle Pitts.
At least he won me a couple of games. N
ETN even though they had terrible fantasy seasons, they won
me a couple of games. Scott Moore total bust. Was
he like a second round pick too? Yep? So yeah,

(02:49):
it's not my proudest moment, but it is all right.
What else do you want to talk about? The preseason
games dropped tonight? The Giants beat up on Meat, up
on the Patriots forty two to ten, Jackson Dark first

(03:14):
round pick six to twelve, eighty one yards to the TV.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
He even put up his fingers. And of course Jameis Winston,
being the gym that he is, ate a dub. So
that was great command running that everyone is talking, bro,
what are you okay? Yeah, it's fucking cheap fall on screen.
Fucking shut up peace makers? What's that peace maker too? Yeah?

(03:40):
Go ahead? Sorry? Yeah. So the biggest news obviously is
that Anthony Richardson got starting job. He fifteen he was
only given fifteen games. And Daniel Jones, who's been a
lifetime bust, it's gonna you know, he got a bunch

(04:04):
of money from the Giants for being trash.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I mean, people have been saying this all week, so
I'm not going to pretend like this is some original idea.
But I think the worst part of this whole situation
is that he didn't even need to take it. They
drafted him knowing that he was a project, knowing that
he needed to be developed. He only played like what
eight nine games at Florida Shane Stikeen.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, they retired Tim Tebow's number for him.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
So he goes there or whatever. They knew that he
needed to development.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
He played.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
He was basically the best player on a trash Florida team,
which some of those guys got drafted anyway. People were
talking about going anywhere from the second round to top
five anywhere. Yeah, ends up going in the top five.
Jim Orse was banging the table for him. And now
fast forward two years, he's.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Had his moments.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
You know, he's that first game where he came in
really just took over the game. Even last year, there
were moments that he had early in the season and he.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Tapered off a little bit.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
They benched him and then they brought him back in
like just no plan for his development, cutting undercutting him
at kind of every single turn, just kind of looking
for a reason to not start him, but then also
not starting him, like it's just weird. At one point

(05:26):
they brought him Flacco to take over for him for
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
It's just.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Anony Richardson. Whole situation was just a massive fumble. And
I hope they trade him somewhere decent.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
The Raiders, hopefully, because that's literally the perfect situation.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
I mean, the Raiders would be perfect for him because
you can sit under Gena for a year or two,
kind of regain.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
His confidence, kind of reset himself, learn how to be
a pro, and then because who talked Anthony richards how
to be a pro.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
You take over or you know, you can't even add
in some some formations.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
For him, some gadget plays.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Mean you probably even sought him out of receiver for
a couple of plays a game just.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
To don't put that receiver.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Just run our pos I mean, yeah, but I'm just
saying he really has four three speed, but he ran
a four four. I'm just saying you could if you wanted,
if you really wanted him to see the field this
year without having to go away from what you got
with Gino. You could easily just make different formations for
him and use him as a playmaker. Yeah, because he's

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big and fast.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
He's like a poor man's Cam Newton, but with more
athletic ability than Cam Newton, which is kind of crazy
when you think about it.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Speaking of receivers who got traded, Man going to the
Saints really surprised me. The Broncos gave him for a
fourth round pick and this upcoming draft and a seventh
round pick in next year's draft. It's good value for
what they got. I think he was what a fourth
or fifth round.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Pick Utah, which is surprising because Utah don't even produce
it ifl receivers like.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
But he had a pretty good year for them last
year and he looked like a guy who really kind
of fit what they wanted to do. And then you
basically trade him to your old jump off, which is crazy.
And the Saints, I mean they the Saints is like
the receivers like the least of their worries this season.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
They're like four deeper receiver.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
That's like their only deep position on the whole fucking roster.
So that's why, like, I don't get it, like, what
is your plan for you?

Speaker 1 (07:27):
But yeah, and the fact that they still haven't announced
the starter yet. They're gonna announce the starter for the
Saints after the preseason game. But it's like, if you
still don't have a starter by the end of the preseason.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
What good is getting another receiver going to do?

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Because Tyler Shaw's is gonna play until he looks like
shit and then you're gonna put in Spencer Radler. Let's
be real, you know it ain't Jake Hayna Duer's right there.
And don't even started on Cleveland because now their situation,
they're looking for running backs.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Touched and bagg Of getting ten million as a backup.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Is crazy, potentially sixteen. But I mean he earned it.
He did.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
But I didn't realize there's a whole segment of Bears
Twitter that is just team Tyson Bagging. Yeah, I had
no idea.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
His dad's an arm Musser.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
I knew that, But I'm just saying it's crazy, like
people are really out there standing for He's a great
backup the Caleb. It wasn't even that bad last year.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Bro. He actually had one of the most historically efficient
seasons because he didn't throw a lot of pigs. He
only threw and that's twenty touchdowns. Saying a lot, bro,
he only threw six picks. That's like saying it's actually
elite turnovers. I'm not saying that.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
What I'm saying, you're not listening from Caleb. I'm saying
that says a lot about the state of the Bears quarterback.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Oh yeah, we already knew that, like a franchise never
had a four thousand yard passer trash. I'm just saying
I think ever since klo and cam Ward, we really
don't know how to judge number one overall picks anymore.
And it's clearly shown, like you.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Want to Anthony Richardson, Yeah, I mean the Coats have
had eleven first round eleven quarterback since Andrew Luck.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, it's in the same amount Philip Rivers being one
of them. It's just it just baffles me how like
teams will draft a QB because they don't they're not
exactly what what you want him to be, you like,
passive aggressively set him up to fail as the years

(09:45):
get up going, And I just think that's wrong, Like,
look what happened with Baker, Like.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
I mean I've talked to coaches like I mean Baker,
you know, I mean Sam Darnold, even Sam Donald, when.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
I've talked to like high school coach.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
To an extent, I mean, he was never that low Stafford.
People thought he was done, turned his back on him.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Stafford became elite whence Jim Corwell got there. Let's just
keep it a bean. We're I'm talking about that. Yeah,
but I'm saying, look at all the quarterbacks who actually
got with a coach that knew how to develop a quarterback,
and they all got better. Baker got under Sean McVay.
Look what happened. You know, Baker even had David Canalis

(10:34):
for a season. Look what happened. Damn. Sam Donald goes
with Kevin O'Connell. Look what happens. Instead of like hiring
always trying to hire a coach that's QB friendly, why
don't you just hire coaches and know how to develop quarterbacks.

(10:56):
It's not that hard of a concept, but I think
just with like the spread system and everything goes even
talking to college coaches like yeah, these kids aren't being developed.
They're just like, what's your skill set? What system can
you run? Oh? You have arm talent, you got some mobility,
or we'll just run to have like a results based
offense and not a you're gonna make great decisions with

(11:17):
the football kind of offense. And you see that when
you draft athletes really high with no plan for him.
Daniel Jones should have never went that high, like but
because he was a different flavor of the month, like, oh,
they you know, he came up to David Cutcliffe who

(11:38):
coached Peyton Manning, like, oh, he's some better quarterbacks at Duke,
and everybody lost their minds about him. Everybody lost their
minds about Anthony Richardson, who didn't know ball. Because if
I put Anthony Richardson next to Vince Young, Vince Young's
the better prospect. And Vin Young had the little, you know,

(12:03):
side armed, quirky throwing motion, but he was still a
Pro Bowl quarterback, same speed one had, was way more accomplished.
But my thing is like, you have to give these
quarterbacks a chance and put them in a But it's
just like just the way the spread system works and everything. Nowadays,

(12:24):
we're gonna see a lot of quarterbacks just bust out,
like how many running backs would go high and then
become bus and then that her the whole running back market,
Trip Williams, Trip Richardson being a bust hurt the position.
But then Zeke came along, and Christian McCaffrey and Bjonn

(12:48):
Robinson and like, Eventually the cycle continues and certain positions
become respected and they're seeing as high value again. Quarterback
are now being held accountable for being ass like in
ways where in the old days you would just get

(13:10):
knocked out of the game, like Drew Bloodzell yours just
gonna get knocked out. Oh, you're doing hospital balls to
your receivers. Don't worry, We're gonna get you out of here.
You take off a run, you don't protect yourself, you
get sent to the hospital. You're in the gulag now.
And I just think a lot of these quarterbacks are
gonna have to have some discernment and just statistically, like,

(13:31):
there's not many places where you know, where teams need
a franchise QB. There there's always gonna be that tier
of elite guys. There's always gonna be guys who could
just run an offense and keep a team going. And
then there's the value, high potential, high robust type situations

(13:53):
and hell, for every bow Knicks there's a Daniel Jones.
Let's be real, bow Knicks worked out, but he could
have easily have not. You just erase his organ.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
So let's come down on the bow Knicks side. Literally
had the single got him, Everyone's got him in the
top ten and fantasy quarterbacks. Everyone's just on the bow
Knicks train. But he had the single greatest let's let him.
Let's let him do it again for a second years.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
You had the greatest season in like Broncos history, is
a rookie QB.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
I mean, have you seen what the Broncos have been
putting that quarterback?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
It's the same.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Shop saying that bro they didn't have much like saying
that's like saying you have the most fuel efficient car
in the fucking twenties, Brood, that was good.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
I like that cool. I'm just saying like he was
sufficient with the ball. So I think you can have
guys who are athletic like J. J. McCarthy's going to
be a big indicator too what he does. Knowing the
Vikings have all these injuries I've received and now they're
looking to uh trade for a veterroom receiver. So we'll

(15:00):
see what happens. But you know, whether it's the Saints
or Colts, a lot of uncertainty with some of these
how these quarterback positions are being handled, and it just
goes to show you need to build a team first
before you just get a quarterback. Because people act like
Josh Allen was like always an the VP candidate. Josh

(15:22):
Allen was at one point too.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yo, everyone's comparing the Jackson Dart team. Now everyone's on
the Jackson dort.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
I told you five years ago, which how Jackson Dart
shit was gonna go as soon as he's as soon
as he left USC to go to Old Miss. I
was like, oh, what's up. He'll be your first round pick.
The Giants are gonna take him. Brian Dayball doesn't do
great with black quarterbacks. That's historically proven. That's not even
me like being an asshole, Like he literally like he

(15:54):
didn't he didn't want Jalen Hurts. He preferred toua Ron
Taylor Jamis. He just has to go with Russ because
Russ is proven he can play anywhere. And even though
Russ statistically had a pretty decent season with Denver that

(16:15):
one year, just you know, oh boy hated him. It
is what it is. But these quarterback battles are highly
interesting in that Cleveland start yet nope or yeah, they

(16:36):
named Flako started trash, but you know she Jory's been
playing well. And then Dylan threw a pick sick and
everyone Dylan threw a pick six that was clearly his
fault that he shouldn't have thrown. Everybody said, oh, it
wasn't if you just take that out. I'm like, y'all
don't know ball. Y'all don't know ball, And the racial
animus is kind of showing a lot of y'all could

(16:59):
never be a lot of y'all in high school were
not that guy. You've probably never been that guy in
your life. Nobody ever looked to you for anything. You
don't even have it in you to fucking be cool.
So like you choose a professional where you can just
criticize people all the time for sure, and it's like,
that's just that's weird to me. Like I was an

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office vioment in high school, play play basketball, played a
couple of different sports just for recreation, just to have fun.
I never like felt like I never looked at our
starting quarterback and had fucking disgusted and was jealous. I
never looked at other guys and was like, and some

(17:43):
of these dudes when I read the writing and I
hear what they say, and when you got like Cleveland
Breet writers, I forget the guy's name, but he was like,
just if I was your door, I would just walk
into the office and say, fucking trade me, Like you
clearly are just like you not trying to give me
a real shot. I'm playing great with all the backups,

(18:05):
and yeah, he had an oblique injury. But it's like,
so you nothing about Dylan Gabriel's career suggests he's a
better player than me, but for some reason, you don't
want to give me a fair shake. And Kenny Pickett,
I'm Kenny Pickett. I'm like, why the fuck did you
bring me here? Because you should have never even needed

(18:26):
to draft Dylan Gabriel if you got me here and
Joe Flacco here, Yeah, so it's like a whole mess.
And again then they got they got Junkins. I forget
the other guy that got a running back Ford, Yeah,
but now they're looking for other running backs through free
through trade and free agency. So it's like, what was

(18:50):
the point for any of this.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
But yeah, man, getting back to the trade circuit. Since
you brought the Browns, the brown sent DT Juwan Briggs
to the Jets. Picks were on both sides. Thoughts on that.
I knew who that man is, but me neither.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Good friend.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Apparently he must be good. He's getting trade for picks
before week through the preseason.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
And honestly, I'd want to be curt it out of Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
In this year, Kaitlyn Saunders was traded from the Saints
to the Jaguars right after the preseason game.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
I'm not gonna lie going from Louisiana to Florida. No
state tax might show up on a w TV. That's
a win. That's a big win for Kaitlan Saunders. He
already got paid. Yeah, it was what it was in
New Orleans. Now he can go to Jacksonville. Probably just

(19:55):
steal a spot. I was gonna say, they do. They
have a spot for it a the tackle. There's always
a spot at d tackle if jack always Yeah, they
got to they got two great ed rushers and Trayvon
Walker and Joshua Alan Hines. You know it's crazy though

(20:17):
he added a hype into his name. He went back
to his family roots. But the crazy thing is, like
Trayvon Walker had a great year last year, very productive
pass rusher, and the least talked about No. One overall
pick since Eric Fisher. Ken Ward's kind of up there.
But we'll get to that Cam Wore being disrespected because
they don't even mention him.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's wild Eagles traded for John minche I. Guess there
was a bidding war with the Niners. Philly made a
better offer. They sent Harrison Barr into the Texans.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Harrison Philip rant Oh Brown, you have the tight end
they needed. A backup tight end that she cooked.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Interestingly, has a kind of an ideal back up tight end.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
He really is, ain't He won the Mackie Awards, so.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
You know, I mean the Texas really haven't tapped into
Michi's potential since he came back from that missing that
first year to the cancer.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Then he had it again, then he got hurt, so
hopefully could cancer and Philly is the perfect place, honestly
to revive his career. Him and Juan Dotson. That's a
loaded offense. If you're a number three receiver in Philly,
kind of get the ball. Okay, well you're going to
be open.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
That's what I'm saying, especially if you're that fast. Yeah,
rights can run routes now. And then the last one
you already alluded to, But Harrison Phillips traded from the
Vikings to.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Jets, which I think is perfect. Honestly, what's the Raiders
would have took him out of college? How many de tackles?
You know, with a hundred tackles in the season.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
What I don't understand is everyone's been talking about how
great the Vikings defense is going to be, and then
you trade would be your key players to that.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, but they're loaded, their d their front sevens loaded,
so it's like, yeah, they'll miss him, but I mean
they got other people. Did Jets really need to off
the top of my head right now? Joan har Grave, Yeah,

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Jonathan Allen.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, Jalen Jonathan Allen was better than Jalen Redmond.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, the good player, really good young Jonathan Allen.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, Hard Graves been. He had a better year last year,
but he's still kind of a bust.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Who's a bust? Heart Grave, No, he's not. He got
like a fat contract from what the Eagles.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, he was a bust in San Francisco last year
got him playing nose and he's not even a nose
like that.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
He kind of is.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
He was always he's not that big. He's hell athletic,
but he's not that big. That's fine.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
That's a no. That's a nose, bro. No, that's a
pudgy nose. Yeah, that's that's a pudgy nose. That's not that.
He's an athletic nose for their defense. He's perfect Jonathan too,
So it's like, yeah, you're gonna pay, you're gonna have
you're gonna pay a high perer. You're gonna have three
veterans on your d line. One of them can get

(23:29):
traded her. Phillips had a bad player at all, so
he'll just come right in and start at nose for
the Jets. So like that's I think that's a win
win for both sides.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
And has two starts, so that's that's pretty much the
guy that's replacing Phillips.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
So yeah, the gay, she come in and play, well,
figure it out.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Moving on to college football in his name, and the
Manning family just says not Art not arch Archie Manning

(24:28):
was pretty much he pretty much came out and said, uh,
arch isn't coming out of the draft next year. For
the draft next year, everybody's like, well, you know what
happens when Archie Manning says one of his kinfolks can't
go do something. And arch came out pretty much was like,

(24:52):
I'm just focused on and I'm not really focused on
next year. I'm just focused on today and tomorrow and
the day after that. He's learning his media training on
the fly, and his grandpa coming out saying that. I
think I don't know if it was like choreographed, because

(25:13):
you know that Manning family, like they're they're very tight knit,
they're not dumb. They understand how the game go. So
I don't know if this is just like one big bruise,
so where the uncle's like the grandfather's coming out, you know,
to be a heat magnet and they're making Archer babyface
in wrestling terms. But I like his approach and we'll

(25:38):
see what happens going through the season. But it's just funny.
As you know, Archie Maning came.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
I mean, what are you gonna say, exactly, what are
you gonna say? Yeah, he's coming out and then he
fucking busts out really stupid. So if anything, you just say,
he's not coming down and if you balls out and
the end of the.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Day, At the end of the day, it's hard to say.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
What anyone's gonna do because the season hasn't even started.
It starts this weekend, so which is crazy. As as
this ship starts progressing that then we'll figure out who's
even worth going to the draft until then, so I'll
just talk.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
For sure. So in regards to talked about it last week,
but like certain schools, and I was the SEC it
broke out because I was thinking about tailgating. But the

(26:39):
SEC came out today They're gonna play a nine game schedule.
They're gonna play a nine game in conference schedule. And then,
like I respected like Big twelve, Big ten or five
opponent pretty much because that whole strength of schedule thing

(27:00):
blow up in their face. So now they actually, like
the big tickets, say hey, we play like nine tough
conference games and we don't play cupcakes in our non conference,
but the SEC does. So now it's pretty much you know,

(27:20):
chess match, because the SEC comes out and says, yeah,
we're gonna play a nine game conference schedule now going forward.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I mean as much as I love that from a
competitive perspective, like, I definitely don't think these big teams
should run away from the smoke. I feel like there's
also something to say for these teams kind of playing
each other because they're all kind of in the same
region and some of these guys kind of know each other,
you know, there's rivalry amongst fans, even though there's not

(27:51):
really a rivalry because the big school always beats the
small school. It's like, I don't know, I feel like
there's a wrestling term for this, you know, I feel
like this, like there's a wrestling strategy to this, like
you know, like like maybe like you like like you know,
the little guy is not gonna win, but you still

(28:11):
want to see the fight just because it means something,
even though it might not mean something in the grand
schemes to fucking conglomerate and Cuba and the bigger competitive
college football picture. You know, I think it means something
to those fans at the school, and it means something
to I mean, it does mean something to the fans
at the school because they're getting bread for getting their ascared,

(28:32):
you know, so it means something to them. For that perspective,
it means something for them to just be on the
same field as these big teams and to get that exposure,
and the same thing for the players.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
I mean, they're getting that.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Might be their only chance to really go against five star,
four star talent, NFL talent. And if you could show
out against Alabama and you're the only player on your team,
then then we're going back through your film and saying, Okay,
is this guy worthy of a Senior Bowl inbite? Is
this guy worthy of a Hula Bowl invite? Is this
guy worthy of whatever?

Speaker 1 (29:05):
You know?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
So I think from that standpoint, it makes me kind
of sad just to see that missed opportunity for all
those guys, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
So yeah, ooof for college football.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
But I feel at the same time it also kind
of undermines the spirit of the of of college football,
if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
True not.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I guess what I'm trying to say is like, it's
okay to have a seventy to zero game in college football.
Sometimes there's some context where it's okay. Not everything has
to be a twenty one to fucking twenty eight bruiser.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
I want to see Alabama versus Mercer in October, not
in October.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
But Week one, No, why can't Why can't they play
Sola Alabama?

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Why can't they play fucking all these you it's D one,
you a be any of these schools one, But when
you play D two schools, I don't respect you like us.
He's never actually played a D two school like that
or HBCU, which I respect. You know you could. If
you play Missouri State, that's fine, that's cool. Serio State's

(30:19):
beating some people, they sent people to the NFL. Eric Johnson,
I mean that's fair.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I mean, if that's line at Division one, if it's
like a one hundred teams in Division one, you can
play a gambit of talent in that one hundred teams.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
But if us he said we're gonna play Sacramento State, I'd.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Be like, but that's a good Sacramento State.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
It's great for Sacramento State. It does nothing for your
football team. Ohio State played a tough ass schedule unless
you get tougher than Bamas.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
If you get your ass kicked by Sacramento State, then
that's a fucking wake up call.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Hey, Appalachia in State beat Michigan in the Big House,
greatest upset in the history of college football. Ever, outside
of US, he beat the dog shit out of Alabama,
making making Bear Bryant recruit black players. By the way,
total racist not lost on me. He was the total
fucking the.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Other player either, Harmoni Lynch, I think it was. Yeah,
I think that's what Amonti Lynch. Yeah, he was nice,
great QB.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
But so. Brian Kelly said on this Week Weekly radio
show that ls's roster costs about eighteen million dollars in IL.
It seems kind of cheap. Am I supposed to feel bad?
I feel like it's probably double that because what I
feel like forty million? Right, Yeah, I feel like it's
probably double that. I mean, knowing Brian Kelly, it is

(31:51):
eighteen million. You notice he has the same fast expression
with all these kids.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Probably eighteen million for his starters.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
It's that the old roster. Eighteen million.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
That seems low for ninety three people.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
He said, eighteen million.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
See, he probably wouldn't even know. It's probably not even
in his purview. It's not really in his scope said it.
I know, but I'm just saying he probably.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I'm just waiting for the built in excuse.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
He probably really doesn't know, Bro, he knows he fucking knows.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
I don't think he does.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, Jane Daniels, I don't think he knows how much.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
I'm never giving Brian Kelly the benefit of the DOWB life.
I hope you know that.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I'm pretty sure if you asked, most coaches in the NFL,
they don't know exactly where their salary cap is.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
He said eighteen million, Bro, he said this roster costs
about eighteen million dollars.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
I believe that he said it. I'm not saying that
he didn't say it. I'm just saying I don't think
he really knows.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
They spent five and a half million dollars.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
He possibly got that number from somewhere and it's stuck
in his head. But it's probably not a comprehensive number
because isn't that that's pretty much what fucking Smith is getting.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Like a year right now? Yeah, and Nike. So I
really don't, I really don't. I really think elis used
more than that. I think he just doesn't know. You
really think he doesn't know? That's wow?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Bro, You're you're you're in coaching, and I know NIL
is not really a head coaching thing, Like, yeah, they're
part of it.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Coach has been paying players.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
They're part of it, but they're not. They're not the
overseer of it. My mom was getting paid, So we're
not talking about that.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
So I'm saying we're not about that. I'm saying, somebody
has to keep count of how much money.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Has and it's not Brian Kelly somebody. I think he
just doesn't know. There's a fucking thousand other things that
he's responsible for. Game plan, fucking recruiting, fucking uh practice,
assistant coaches. He he does not bro That's like saying,
asking your manager if he knows the salary of every

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single ployee under him, He doesn't know.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Managers don't come.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
They have an idea. They have an idea. They can
tell you, oh, the the range is this to this?

Speaker 1 (34:16):
How give you? They can give you like a.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Rough idea of what their annual budget is, but they
don't really know exactly by the point, by the decimal.
They just are giving a picture. And that's the picture
that stucks and sticks in their head. But that's not
that's not the periods and the zeros like you know.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
What I'm saying. Yeah, in this article I'm reading by
Paul Cassibyan hope budget's name, so read Darcy as an advocate.
Relate the news. Unless you spent five and a half
million dollars on the roster last year, and they spent

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eleven million over the previous three years combined, and last
year was his third year. Yeah, it's like nothing, bro.
They spent eighteen million this year. Becker's getting that in Miami.
But think about yeah, becksing a lot of but Miami's different.
Miami got cocaine money full of their economy. Everybody. Actually
it isn't. But yeah, eleven million. Honestly, what the modest

(35:25):
number if you think about it, though, That's what I'm saying.
That's nothing.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Eighteen million is nothing, bro.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
No, just over the first three years he was there,
they only spent eleven million.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
That's what I'm saying that that's nothing amongst ninety three.
That's nothing, bro, it's nothing.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
That's The country can share up to twenty and a
half million dollars with their players during the only twenty
five twenty six academic year, and LSU has allocated thirteen
and a half million for a football program. They said
the money is going to be split between twenty twenty
five and twenty twenty six because the payments operator on

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Alex and left. You got the number one transfer class
this year, which has twelve four stars in it, and
the tenth best recruiting class in the country. So I
think we won't really see the benefits until like two
three years from now, if he's even still there at LSU.

(36:26):
Because you shit, Daniels, you win. Shit. What else from
college football thinks that big he saw it? Oh? Notre

(36:51):
Dame changed their mascot. They changed up the logo. It
actually kind of looks better. I'm not gonna lie. It's
like a a leprechaun holding a football. That shit looks

(37:11):
like the fucking Browns logo. That shit's disgusting.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
That shit is nasty, bro speaking the fact that you
said that looks better like.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I just want to walk off right now. I just
said that because he Bro, I know, I just have
to say it. It's too funny not to say it. Bro.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I get the Irish stereotype, but you were better off
making the leprechaun's head of crying Jordan men.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
It probably will. I know I'm looking at it. By
the way, The grandson of Lloyd Carr, Austin Carr, was
announced to starting quarterback for Notre Dame. Just a fire eye.
They're about to lose all those NFL kids. It's a
Notre Dame. They're never losing NFL kids.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
About to lose all those NFL kids.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Kids. People are green and gold. Sorry ass, fucking logo.
If you told me I could rock out Notre Dame. Hell,
the logos fucking n dripped. Fuck out. That ship ruined
my whole day. Bro, This logo is fucking ugly. Dog.
You got fucking receding hairlines. Link running with the fucking football.
Oh not forty you not thirty seven year crazy bro?

(38:31):
Not thirty seven U link. That's crazy, bro. It's like
a boy or girl. That's crazy. Man, he's a boy.
We don't know that.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
And honestly, the scale of his elbows is off from.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
The original logo.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
I'm just saying because he was kind of lengthy on
the original logo. What were now they kind of made
his arms fucking steady.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
You got the ball high and tight, that's what it
looks like.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Nah, But it's even in this stride, the way he's
running his other off arm is not that long.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Let's tell he wants to run through your face. But
I think they should have had fright.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
I mean, if you want to get away from the
whole Irish stereo type, then just do a fucking Clover, bro, Like,
just do a fucking do something.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Bro. Well, what the.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Celtics are gonna seal them for that? That's probably why
they couldn't do that. You could have did anything else, Bro.
You could have just did a fucking Leprechaun hat. Bro, like,
you could have did anything else, like this is fucking horrible, Bro,
this rum my whole fucking day. Uh, you could have
just did his fucking best, his fucking best. We would
have got the idea. You could have just did the

(39:44):
stupid little Leprechaun jacket. That would have been harder than this.
This is fucking vile, Bro.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
This dude is fucking pitch and toad squared up.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
But yeah, he over here running with perfect running for
him technique. This ship makes no sense, Doug.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
We gotta clip this he how'd.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
He go from being fucking bulllegged to now having fucking
Christian mccavary. No, Maurice Jones drewth thighs and running through
your fucking face.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Held the doe perfect John Over. I mean, fucking disgusting.
Made that the track logo. Dog, Honestly, the track people
won't even wear that shit.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
You're like, show me one short Irish guy that runs
like that, and I'll wear this logo on my track.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
A short Irish dudes run like that. Actually, just dude.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Looking like dude looking like the fourth running back on
the Raider whose name I don't even remember that.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
You always fucking slander.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
The Rhode Island Dude twenty three, the fucking White George
Jakinson the third.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
First off, George Jackkinson was way nice.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
I know, I'm just kidding though, but I'm just I'm
saying that the preseason high I said, which, what's crazy
because Georgejackinson third went to Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
You see what did? Yeah? Happy? But I knew that.
I knew, Yeah, I knew the guy. As soon as
you said it. I was like, he the Lord. He
remembers it because who's his father? From Gray to Great
George Jakinson. Right, of course, there you go. You got
everything hell you need to say about this, and you
want to you got.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Anything else, dude, Just make Rudy the fucking logo.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
First off, I'm tired. No, we're not lionizing failed white
people anymore. Rocky has a statue out rocks a bitch
and I don't respect Philly as a city for that.
That's how racist Philly is. You Fucking Bernard Hopkins is
right there, so he racist white folks wanted to have Rocky.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Bernard is from Philly. It was from our here.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Motherfucker hell, where have you been at? Does he sound
like he's from La No, he doesn't, but I thought
he was from out here. Why the funk would he
be from out here? That's a Philly dude, the Philly shell.
That's literally him. H This man's boxing knowledge is disgustingly.
We'll get well, I'll help you with that. Don't worry

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crazy anything else about Norde Dames logo. You want to
you know voice? I mean, fuck, dude, I don't know.
I'm about to turn these fucking lights off. They're blinking
so much. It's yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I don't really have nothing else to say other than
that was fucking disgusting. Bro Well, speaking of disgusting, all
what's going to do is make people wear the old
one more.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
That's it. So they're driving up sales. So it's like
when the sun went from Nike do under armor. You
honestly could.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
If you were going to do that, you should have
put the dumb ass leprechn in a football.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Help me, how about that? You could have at least
did that.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Mascot doesn't put flags on it the mascot, you might
as well put flag I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Flats are flogs flogging. It's different. Well, technically Notre Dame's
mascot is a literal dude in the Leprecaun outfit. Yeah,
I know.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
So you could have just made it a fucking bag
of skittles. How about that. You could have made it
a pot of gold. You could have made it fucking
lucky charms. You could have made it clo handful of
skittles and fucking lucky sunshine, and that ship would have
been harder than what the fuck they put up.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Why don't you get on cam a tough guy. You
do it. I want to see it, like fuck, dude,
you do it, and then trademarket and then sell it
to a Notre Dame for billions of dollars.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
But Notre Dame should be done. Make a fucking ballpit
filled with skittles and fucking lucky charms.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Skittles are not an Irish thing. Why do you keep
a quaking what he means? You don't remember when they
had the leper cones. Yeah, but that's not an Irish
think all the rainbow, yes, but like that's not an
iron Skittles aren't based and.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Like I mean, leper cons aren't really Irish either.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
They kind of just like remember Honeycombs, the dude who
was tweaked out.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
That was something totally different, Yes, but.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Like they they blocked that to something else. It's like
that's what you remember it.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
For us like racist on the fantasy level, this is
like calling a or a goblin, bro, Like, no, that's
just this is like calling a fucking uh uh fuck,
what's the word?

Speaker 1 (44:27):
You said? An orc and a goblin? That's crazy. You
don't know Philly. You didn't know you could tell me
between the ork and a goblin, but you didn't. Fucking
open Art Hopkins is from Philly.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
This is I didn't.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
I didn't. That's new sugar sands from Pomona. I bet
you did.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Uh, but yeah, anything else from college football? So two
things actually want logo.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
So urban Meyer says the NFL should suspend Jim hardball
a little.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Bit better off making fucking Urban Meyer the logo urban
Meyer got a lot of got a lot of fucking.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Didn't he go to the NFL and SIGT who else? Dad?
Let me? I didn't even finish the title. What the fuck?
That's wild? So Urban Myer says, NFL is suspension Harbor
and Michigan signs the leage scandal because this was the
breaking news of the week.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Like Jalen Carter coming out and saying Georgia player shouldn't drive.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Georgia Jalen Carter and a half flat commercial with Jordan
Davis Say yeah, Jordan Carter and a half flat commercial
with John Feliciano. That's wild. That might be a fist fight.
That's a fight to the death. Literally, they got beef.
They got real life beef. Shout out to Klay Thompson

(45:38):
and bagging making a stallion. Good for him, dude just
keeps winning. Though, before we got on that, Yeah, so Harbor,
Michigan got punished. Searon Moore got suspended like three games,
three or four games. He might be back for the
USC game, not sure, but yeah, so I think they

(45:59):
said Harbor and can't coach. Then he has a ten
year he has a ten year show calls penalty, and
then everything that came out like they essentially only got
popped for what twenty million dollars, So they bought a
national championship for twenty million dollars because they it was
proven that.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
They needed some scholarships. They lost a bunch of.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Ships, not as much as US US. He didn't even dow.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Buch of assistants are still suspended.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
They've pretty much recovered.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
They got pretty much the worst they fucking punishment since SMU.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
That's how I know. So who got punished worse? USC
got punished the worst. USC got punished worse in Florida.
Fuck you talking about? I mean you Ohio state got pushed.
Why do you think USC is worse? Because it's USC
California and West Coast bias?

Speaker 2 (46:50):
All they lost with some fucking scholarships?

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Are you bro? That changed the landscape of California high
school recruiting forever?

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Okay, why did they organ and all the ship they
did after that? The fuck up everything else after that? No,
it was just really big were and seven years later
when they had like four scandals.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Okay, listen to what I'm here. My Mic. That's why
I listen to what I'm saying, though, can you hear me? Okay?

Speaker 2 (47:20):
And they've had like five other crisis since that crisis,
and some of those aren't even on fucking sports. That
university is a fucking cesspool and it's just getting cleaned
up now.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
It's not even getting cleaned up. They're still in the
punishment stage and reconciliation. But I'm saying, there you have
it ill State, like Terrelle Pryor, I think it's still
banned from Ohio State. Being like tattoo Gate, like they
fucked those people over race Malls was just kind of
doomed anyway, but like they they fucked those people over,

(47:58):
Michigan was stealing signs on a level that grow like
he was bro that dude Connor Stalin's was standing on
the sideline in a fucking It's like if I just
showed up to your practice like a big ass fucking
ten gallon ten gallon Texas hat with some shades on,

(48:21):
and you're like, Kenny, I know that shot. I'm like, no,
it's not. You would do that, but yeah, go ahead,
I would. First off, don't mix you would literally do that.
You don't I would, but that's not the point. Is
The point is these dudes knowingly cheated. Connor Stalin was

(48:43):
on the sideline at multiple Central Michigan multiple schools. So basically,
what you because that's the only different you know what
I'm saying. That's really no, I don't really care personally.
I mean, if you wanted to beat Michigan, you should
have beat Michigan. And also the refs all with their
whistles when they played against Washington. Let's talk about it. Well,

(49:03):
Johnson was holding his ass off and them dbs were
holding their asses off, and Dylan Johnson was playing on
a fucked up knee, which is already come sad when
you think about it.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
But yeah, so so based off what I can see,
they said.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
They didn't really get punished.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
The difference is just the bull band.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
She just got fired by Michigan.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Didn't get bull band because I mean, balls don't really matter,
and you're not going to kick them fully out of
the playoffs? Is that what you want? You want them
to not be playoff?

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Is that? No, I'm about to agree with Commissioner Kenny.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Tell me what would have made you satisfy and feel
like there's consistency national championship. So that's the part that
you feel like that, that's their titles not valid.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
You said that, you know, only cheated, everybody cheats, like
nobody cheats, and went like Bama didn't have to cheat
to beat you.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
They just beat your ass. Georgia, just beat your ass.
A lot of people say that, but for me, Michigan cheated.
But for me blatantly for me taking away the national championship,
What the fuck is that gonna do?

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Remember when USC got their ship? Your way?

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Are you gonna give it to a fucking Washing Washington?

Speaker 1 (50:28):
You're gonna get to Washington? Technically you good? I mean
Auburn's Oh, by the auburns claimant has claimed four national championships,
by the way, they recently, just this week they claimed
four national championships. They claimed old four national title and
some ship from back in the day undefeated. Yeah, even
though we watched I watched them get their cheeks clapped

(50:48):
by USC when US he went to Auburn and beat
the ass and then they came out and US he
still beat the ass. If anything, LSU has more of aclaim,
you know, since But whatever my thing is, and I'm sad.
I can't believe I'm fucking agreeing with urban Meyer on
this point. When Jim Trussell got hired, he got fired

(51:10):
by Ohio State immediately. Jim Jim Harball just jumped to
the NFL. The tattoo gate players all got suspended by
the NFL. Jim was suspended coming into the NFL. Jim
Jim Trussell was suspended when he was working in the
replay room for the Indianapolis Colts. He was suspended by

(51:32):
the NFL. How to how the fuck are you gonna
suspend me for college? Yeah? How are you gonna? So?
Is Anthony Gonzales?

Speaker 2 (51:40):
How you he's in the state government?

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yeah, so is a fucking Tommy Turberville's bitch ass o
geat wait for him to crocover anyway. So when you
when you break it down in.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Fifteen years, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
He was at young He went back to Youngtown State
after Ohio State and then he worked for the Colts.
But it's like he got a raw deal in my opinion,
because I don't think Ohio State was cheating like that.
They got popped for tattoos, which was off the field
and didn't hurt nobody I'm gonna say this, Michigan was
actively cheating. I'm gonna say this, and people in that

(52:18):
staff at More was a part of the state I
was cheating. I'm gonna say this.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
I'm gonna say this, and you're probably not gonna agree
with me, but I'm gonna say it. I don't give
a fuck about sign stealing. I don't either, Bro. Sign
stealing is all the fucking same ship. There's only so
many fucking signs you could have. There's only so many
defenses that they have. There's ten fucking variations of defense.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Bro, It's how they went about the sign stealing that.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Okay, fine, are you gonna give that fucking Super Bowl
to fucking Kurt Warner?

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Are you gonna get this?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Are you gonna get the spigate Super Bowl to the
fucking Rams?

Speaker 1 (52:59):
I mean, Deon Sanders said the coaches to pump In.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Are you gonna take away the fucking twenty years of
shame that hangs over Mike Martz?

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Is it really twenty years a ship? I'm just saying, bro,
what's shame with Mike Martin? Mike marts hasn't got a
head coaching jobs since they fucking sucked Broach. What I'm saying,
he had Mark Bud won a Super Bowl? Does that
change things? No, he sucked. He had a shot with
the Rams and he sucked. Then he went to other
places and he was But if he has a Super
Bowl as a coordinator, that don't mean ship because he

(53:31):
sucked when he got his chance. What do you mean?
All right? Whatever? Super Bowl? Throwing off? The point that
I'm saying is.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
You take if you're if all of a sudden, fucking
sign sign stealing is the worst thing you could possibly
do it you got a hold, gotta hold the same
standard in the pro game one and two. I'm like, bro,
even if someone knows exactly what defense as you're doing,

(54:01):
it doesn't fucking matter.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
A great offense is gonna bring your great defense. Okay,
it's not gonna change all those players that got drafted
from that team.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
You're right, it's not gonna change any of that shit.
So but here's the thing. There's literal steal shots of
this motherfucker standing on the sideline at Central Michigan and
other schools that's so blatantly embarrassing that it makes you
look bad if you don't punish them. And because they
didn't find anything, Like, Bro, you gotta punish them just

(54:40):
on the reputation. But the A is a fucking mafia
racket practically, so they can't because like, if you punish
them for that, well then now it's the give brown.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
How about you just put headsets in everyone's helmet and
then we can stop talking about signs.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
I just think that that is that solution for you.
I don't give a fuck about the sign stealing. I mean,
you got to play ball either way. Like, I think
it's worse than baseball, to be honest, it's way worse
in baseball. But baseball also has every like cheating, every Okay,
you know, we say we talked about bull rushing and

(55:18):
certain chits you're not supposed to do with gentlemen's agreements
in the trenches. Sure that shit gets heightened when somebody
who knows, like, hey, bro, you're violating the space that
we are all in together, and you did it in
such a way that you didn't even try to hide it,
and then you were defying about it. And yeah, you

(55:40):
paid twenty million dollars. You can pay twenty million dollars.
They hit their pockets, I'm saying in some a if
they wanted, they should ban them. Oh year, all the
you gotta say that whole thing over again. So all
the years that Connor Stallion was affiliated with Michigan, that

(56:02):
should be a bowl band. That's what I would do
every year he was in your program.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
So you're gonna punish student athletes that are there, now,
you're gonna punish the fan.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
I gotta punish the coaches.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
You're only people you're punishing are people that aren't that
weren't there. You're not punishing the people that were there
because most of them are going.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Well, that's why they're That's why they hit the they
hit their money. So I would vacate. But here's the thing, right,
she still never got an apologies. But here's the thing,
right us.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
For ten years, you guys are all bitching about how
USC got fucked over for ten years, which to me
just sounds like a bunch of fucking cry baby us. Yes,
I'm not saying, let me finish. You're entitled as a fan.
You aren't titled as fuck as a USC fan. Yes
you are, motherfucker. You are shut up. I'm not really

(56:56):
a fan.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Yes you are. Shut the fuck up. You are. I
wouldn't play.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
But they've been a fan for more of your life
than you've covered the team.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Bro, that's true.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
That's fucking idiot, that's true. I hate when people say
dumb ship like that.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Do you for USC football? Though? If I'm at the game,
we have. If I'm at the.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Game, I could have the AI go through all two
hundred of episodes unless I say, all right, we get
ask the right area fan?

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yes, Bro, are you serious? I listen to you for
fucking sixteen weeks. Dick eat Caleb Williams. Bro, that's not
dick eating. He was really great. You were Dicky. That's
not dick eating. He was really great, the first black
cosmon winner in US. I definitely wasn't ething. Well, you
were hating on Caleb Williams.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
He was passing as soon as the season was over
and draft season came and everyone was on him.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Then you started the glades. Did anybody Anyways, let's just
go back to win.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Me and Nick are okay, So let's go go back
to what I was saying. So UNC fans are all
bitching because they don't feel like the same standard was upheld, Right,
you guys are all bitching about that right, So listen, listen,
stop talking, bro listen, let me get my point. Okay,

(58:16):
so you're bitching about USC doing something, yet you expect
them to do the same thing. Isn't the whole point
of bitching for them to change, but you expect them
to do Isn't that predatory.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Because aren't you supposed to take feedback and change.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
And furthermore, the last big punishment was in twenty twenty
with Florida, as you alluded to, and they didn't really
ban them from the postseason either, So to me, this
kind of just signals them shifting away from punishing current
student athletes and fans for what previous regimes and organizations did.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
That's the way I see it. A fair point, but
what you're missing is.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
That Reggie Bush got fucked over and a bunch of
people got fucked over in.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
The USC didn't cheat as a football team. They just
put you. I watched Reggie. You watched Reggie. The motherfucker
was that great. He beat Ula by himself, He beat
Notre Dame by himself, practically like five star prospect. I
just fucking San Diego like they earned it. On the field,

(59:30):
Michigan had an elite defense and a bruising offensive line
and running game and decent receivers. And they were actively
cheating and being sloppy enough that they got caught. That's
against the integrity of the game itself. That makes the

(59:53):
game look worse. Now, if you're protecting the integrity of
the game, Yeah, you vacate the national title, say nah,
they fucking cheated and you proved, Like, but here's the thing,
into the play, I really had much of a case.
All they can know is like, yeah, they cheated after
the fact that there's nothing we can do about it.
And yeah, you can't punish Sean More too much because

(01:00:14):
he wasn't the head coach. And yeah, you gave Jim
Harball a ten year show calls penalty. That's cool. I
think you should have hit their pockets more. I think
you should have banned them from postseason play this year.
And I think every year that Connor Stalins was with

(01:00:35):
that program, there should be some kind of like every
every game he was affiliate of the program.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
From giving out nil money for a year two years
like okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
No, that would actually cheated the integrity of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Now you have to fucking get out the mud without
any resources or.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Lawsuit. You can't tell me I can't give out an
IO money, but I didn't use an IO money to
pay college stalins or did you guess what I'm saying? Like, so, yeah,
you hit the athletic departments pockets, the football program's pockets,
but also banning them from postseason.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Playing the money and ship them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Yeah, but like if you ban them, like you can't
play in the Big Ten titles. I was just like,
you can't play in the Big Ten title game this year,
every year that Connor stals was affiliated with your program.
You cannot play in a postseason championship.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
But you can make the bracket.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
No, you can't make playoffs, but you either you can
win the title, but you're banned from the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I say, you're punishing current student athletes for past athletes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
No, you're punishing the coaches, even past student athletes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
You're you're punishing current student athletes for past coaches. They
aren't even there. Yeah, past organization and regime. That's not
even the hey man, Miami got off light, So Florida
really got off because those motherfuckers had murderers on their team.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
USC's the one who got hold. But my point is
to closed all out. Michigan got off light, but I
think this punishment sets the president. Now, if you get
caught stealing signs and you win a national championship, they're
just gonna hit you with a little twenty million dollars. Fine,
that's nothing to Michigan, So now everybody else might just

(01:02:25):
start doing it. But in reality, and man, either you punished.
You punish people for violating the integrity of the game,
or you punish them for like knowingly cheating and breaking rules.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
That's talent turnover. The Bronze signed Bond after he was
clear to charges. I say a bond touchdowner turnover.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
One of the not so media savvy NFL prospects in
recent years. I mean, hopefully he can get a spot
as a special teamer. Isn't he really fast? He ran
a four to four to two, so I guess yes.

(01:03:11):
But everybody who plays that texas as fast as ship.
So yeah, I'm gonaa. I'm gonna say it's a touchdown
for them. I mean he might be able to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I don't know how many touchdowns that offense is really
gonna score, So any playmakers with shout his.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Best better to just get something on special teams. But
I don't. I don't see it being a world breaker
in that offense anyway. And this ain't like it's Josh go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
I don't think that offense. I don't think there's any
world where that offense breaks anything.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
He's watch football, Yep. The Colt Firen Xavier Howard.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
He last played in twenty twenty three touchdown on turn
of Horbard.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
They didn't walk off, No, that was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
That was runner Davis' bro Well, I know that Vonte Davis,
but I thought he did do he got.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Damn. I forgot Davis died. What did he die from?
I don't think he killed him, Jeff something he died
like last year. I think. I don't think he killed
him some day. But yeah, so it's great for the

(01:04:26):
Colts because they need a corner. They have no corners,
the best corners in the league. Because for his time,
she died. He died in the sauna with drugs. H
findy idiom man math This motherfucker Damn and his brother

(01:04:51):
were close.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
The worst part is this wiki video isn't even updated.
Oh yeah, it is like thirty five. That was just
earlier the year, three months ago. Yeah, April twenty twenty five. No, no,
April twenty twenty four. I'm gonna say, what the fuck.
It's been a long year. Yeah, it's been a very
quick year.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
But yeah, Xavion Howard shipped former Baylor corner like a
four or five seven, worked himself into being a really
great corner. Seems like if you like become a star
player in Miami, you're almost cursed if you stay there
too long. But yeah, I think he'll probably be a
serviceable corner for the Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
I guess, I guess I didn't realize that he had
sat out last year.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Yeah, he had injuries and you know, shot support issues
and he gave some chick Herby's. Yeah. I think he's
still being sued, So it's a lot. I'll just say
allegedly on all that, but I haven't checked if you're
actually like finalized.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
But yeah, all right, Uh, the Commanders are looking to
trade Brian Robinson touchdown or trade over.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
I hear you said touchdown, They're not. They moved away
from him in that offense. He had a great the
rioting was on the wall.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
They were already kind of moving away from last year. Yeah,
I mean, great, great story, great moments.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
When he came out to the mini man after he
came aft shot. Oh yeah, Shane Danner's offense. Now deebo
is gonna get all these touches. Let's just keep it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Being the last one. Or actually, you know what, I
want to use this touchdown. I mean, take her tangent,
like Aaron Glenn had a player led practice, no assistant coaches,
no media, just Glenn, the coaches running the practice, Justin

(01:06:56):
Fields take or tangent feel this was call it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Blaze, which I think that's probably a real gut check
moment because if Aaron Glenn trusts Justin Field's enough to
call plays and the defense, one of the defensive captains
was calling plays. They were going back and forth, that's
a real widershed moment for that team for what aon
wants to build to this dude who played at a

(01:07:23):
high level. I trust them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
I think for me, it really just comes down to
how they do. I mean, if this works out, it's
looking like a good move. Like you said, building that culture,
empowering these players, leaning into their leadership, trusting them, believing
in them, showing them, showing that they understand the scheme
and what they're trying to do at a at a
higher level, Like, I get all that. And also we've

(01:07:53):
seen the player coach go the wrong way a lot recently.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Shout out to Antonio.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
So as long as he can still keep that separation
and that boundary and still have them respect him as
a boss and not just you know, a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Horizontal guy who's been in the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
League or mentor anything like that, as long as he
can maintain that status and win, this is gonna look genius.
He doesn't, then it's gonna look like for lack of
a better word, and makes raining this islum and which
is a call back back to the Texans.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
You're welcome ship that your scholar and a gentleman. And
now the AFC East is a ass outside of Buffalo.
Oh that's true, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Cam Ward and Justin Simmons got into it, got into
a scuffle and practice basically the best defensive player on
the Titans and the future of the Titans franchise quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
So take her Tanner. I like, who my quarterbacks wanting
to fight people? Hell, Michael Pennock Junior got no scuffle?
Oh yeah, I too, So you know it is what
it is?

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Yeah, man, I like it too, because I think ken Ward.
I mean, you've talked about him many times, but he's
just he's literally built it break by brick. And to
see a guy like that who's willing to stick his
nose out there, willing to stand toe to toe with
the biggest elpha in the room, like, that's the kind

(01:09:34):
of grit, That's the kind of fucking or a for
lack of a better word, that you want your franchise
quarterback to have. And I mean, that's really what this
team has been missing. I mean when you think about
all the misses that they've had at franchise quarterback in
the past few years. I mean, you had Will Levis

(01:09:54):
who was doing dumb ass shit from the jump, from
the first snap he got those first game where he
had those fucking three turnovers or whatever the fuck to
Malik Willis who never really got a fair shot to
you know, some of the other young guys they kind
of brought in a stop stop gaps post Tannehill, and shit,

(01:10:15):
now you finally have a guy who's a guy and
who's willing to show it even when he's tested by
the basically the best player on the team. And the
other side of that too, is like for Justin Simmons.
I mean, he's been like the lone bright spot, the
lone consistency in that organization the last five years, and
he's battled back from like two different season injury.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
And justice free agent.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
I mean, not Justin Simmons, Jeffrey Simmons.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
So just to kind of witness that change of the guard,
that kind of offensive defensive you know, torch passing kind
of happening without happening, Like if I'm a Titans fan
like that, that would excite me for sure. Then on
that same note, I mean the Packers had a viral

(01:11:03):
bra as well. Guard Zach Tom got into it. A
Seahawks bleacher reports is his guard. He's right, he looks
like he's now George and Morgan at guard.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
But yeah, man, so take your tangent on just overall
fucking bras with other teams, joint practices.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
What do you what are you thinking? I think I
played it. But when I talked to Khksey Boise States tackle,
he talked about Jade Morgan and He's like, I can't.
I was like, I'm just letting you know. Right now,
first day of practice, me and this dude are fighting
He's like, he's the best pass rushing our team. We're
gonna get in a fight. I know, folence is gonna happen,

(01:11:45):
but I'm gonna love him afterwards anyway, Like it's gonna
be cool. It's just like competitive competition just breathes chaos.
Sometimes competitive chaos is okay. Shout out to Cam Newton,
who by the way, there, I forgot to tell you,
I've been retiring this jersey.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
At the end of the day, everyone's fighting for their livelihood,
everyone's fighting for their families. And then you put that
in the pressure chamber of fucking coaches yelling at you,
millions of dollars being on the line, it being hot,
fucking fans, media out there watching, and of course shit's
gonna happen. It's basically fucking zoo bro like, so of

(01:12:22):
course shit is gonna happen. I don't think you can
fault players for that. As long as there's a line
to it, as long as as long as everyone you
know is able to shake each other hand when they
leave the field, and as long as you're able to
leave it there on the field and not taking the
locker room, I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
It's part of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Football is not a natural sport, like we've talked about
it many times, Like a lot of shit happens in
any given football play. A lot of shit happens in
any good even football play that you would fight someone
over in a regular fucking setting. And some people ship
said even just after the whistle that that are fatable offenses,
like their switches that flip, like you find out who's

(01:13:05):
a serial killer and who's not when you're playing football.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Hey, if this motherfucker's mad, we calm him down and
show hi a picture of his mom or something, because
this motherfuckers like he's a great person on the field,
but once she's like Aaron Donald's a psycho on the
football field.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Anything you want to say before we move on to
fair fad, No, that was it. You didn't just draw
that though, Thank you. Moving on, fair fad. Bill Belichick
at his fucking opening press conference, fucking pep rally, whatever

(01:13:47):
the fuck that Ted talk was, which, by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Why his girl probably I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
His girl didn't dress him better, but whatever, the dude
was looking like he used car salesman.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
But I digress.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Years Belichhape basically took a sub dish at fucking Robber
Kraft and his son. At this, said Presser, So fairy fade.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Man, I got lifetime beef. Robert Kraft loves Tom Moore.
Let's just be honest. I'm gonna say this is a fuck.
I like Tom more than I like Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
I'm gonna say this is a fucking fad.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
And here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Little Belichick bro like, first off, Robert Craft got more
bread than you, and.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Better bitches and back and hous what his paper longer?
His bitch is finer. He'd beat more cases than you.
Oh yeah, and lost of my checked. The twenty four
year olds that he has around him aren't cycles like
the one you have around you. All Right, I'm done, sorry,
I just had to get that off my soul.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
I mean that's basically the ride I was gonna go.
I was gonna say, Bob Kraft didn't have to sell
his integrity to be fucking these young hoes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
And also, uh, he basically beat.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
The fucking case and Tom Brady and Bill Belichick couldn't
even beat the NFL, and Robert Craft somehow beat the
federal government.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
So there's that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
And then It's like, it just seems nasty to me
because it's like you're talking to a room full of
people that weren't even there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Exactly, you're talking about your bitch at your wedding rehearsal.
You gotta say that all over your game. Why are
you talking about your ex bitch at your wedding rehearsal?
Bro Exactly, don't she don't even think about you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
More like he don't even think about you no? More? Like? What? What?
What is? What are these strains being called?

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Half of those people at UNC right now weren't even
alive when they beat the fucking Rams.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Fuck around and ruined the draft staring.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Weren't alive when fucking Drew BLEDSOE take the Patriots to super.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
From the draft of one of your players who ends
up going to the pat Patriots play and he's Patrick
So Drake May played at North Carolina and now he's
with the Patriots, And you think it's a good idea
to over your fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Your most famous NFL alumni. Right now, that was a
good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
What who? I don't know if he's gonna make the
Rams roster. What if he gets a try out for
the Patriots will.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
I think you will. Everyone's been talking about him. Everyone's
been talking about him. He's gonna make the rosters, just
a matter of if he'll be out there or not.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Snyder, he got hurt five eleven ninety American gloves on
his hands. Your mic he's cutting out. Just hold it there.
We're almost done. Sorry, jeez, all right, last one of
the same day. To stick to games this year in
the ACC. Know you're fucking worried about the league. You're

(01:16:57):
not even in no more. Actually, know you just taking
pop shots? Bro. Imagine Robert Kraft or Patriots shows up
at your pro day. If you talk sugar, you can't
go get the Lebron. I know you got go to
fucking Jamie and get it. I have that much money.
I'm just fucking on a porn star. I'm sorry. I'm
just gonna find me a nice, little, cool, little porn star.

(01:17:18):
Sarah j Or somebody. Don't want a porn star, bro? No, Like,
just you literally don't want to port. No, I didn't
say the half round every day.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
But I'm like, you wouldn't want to a porn star
as your girl, Bro, I wouldn't want.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
To port for my girl. But I'm just saying, like, hey,
we'll just hang out, and dude, even if she didn't,
because you don't want to. I definitely don't want to
florence her, mainly because I'm old enough to remember life
before influencers. But I'm just saying, you're he's seventy three
brou on all these young girls.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Andrew look came out basically in an interview I think
they were. It'spended like a big feature on Stanford and
they kind of interviewed him and talked to him future
head coach, but basically he said, or I'm sorry the
athletic did. But basically he said, he looks back on
his decision in twenty nineteen and he still feels a
lot of guilt about leaving the Colts and everything that

(01:18:10):
organization has gone through with their quarterback. He feels somewhat
responsible for so fair faid Andrew Lux saying my bad
or whatever the fuck he's saying.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
A victim is not responsible for the actions of their attacker.
Almost lost your whole fucking leg. I talked to people,
reporters who are around the team around that time, and
they're like, bro, he almost lost his fucking leg. Like

(01:18:44):
the hits he was taking like this dude was superhuman.
He was literally seen as the most perfect quarterback prospect
of all time, more than an Alway brand. He ran
the same forty time as Cam Newton Rocket for an
arm and I think if he had gone to any
other franchise, they would have printed time in like fucking

(01:19:09):
three decades. They would have protected him if he gone
anywhere else, if he had ended up in Pittsburgh, I
don't think you have those those old line issues. My
thing is he don't know nobody shit because the way
he got done, the way that his retirement got leaked
while he was in the fucking stadium and then they
started booing him, bro, like that was foul. He did
not deserve that. Anthony Costanzo, boy got your quarterback hit

(01:19:35):
a lot, my guy, Boston College left tackle, first round pick.
You were no Turk Glenn that he got paid, but
he got his quarterback fucked up. I didn't like that.
Like the old line, really his old line, his former
old lineman should be ashamed. They should come out and apologize.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
I mean, it was also kind of an offensive running.
He was wrong the offensive ay and coaches should be
held accountable as well, if you're gonna hold Dolphins line accountable,
Oh yeah, I'm starting there fucking running bags and their
defense was up and down.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Donald Brown, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Uh for me though, Like I hear what you're saying.
I think it's it's a fade from that perspective for sure.
But also it's the reason why I put it in
this part is to me, it's just kind of the
other side of the coin with of Belichick. It's like, yeah,
it's not your fault, versus where Belichick is like, yeah,

(01:20:34):
it is kind of your fault. You're kind of a
sleeze bag. It's like yeah, Andrew, like it's not your fault,
and you're not a sneeze bag. Like people like you
and respect you still in a high regard. So I
don't put it in the same context as far as that,
but I just put it in the same context of like, bro,
we ain't even gotta to talk about it, Like why
are you even talking about it? Like you haven't even
talked about that in six years? Like why now just

(01:20:55):
because you got a bigger platform, bigger profile, because you
keep getting asked about it. He's a because of Colts
still can't figure out their quarterback situation.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
But that goes back to your point of like are
you talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
No, I'm just saying it's like they still have the
same problems that they had when he's there. So it's like,
why would you feel bad you were Why would you
feel bad.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
You you You were actually the only successful test case
after Peyton Manning left. If anything, they can't even get
back to the level you were at exactly. And that's
what I'm saying. That's where they're like, no, you don't
know them, ship, you don't want them ship because so
it's like they've gone is dead.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
They've gone through multiple head coaches, They've gone through fucking
multiple quarterbacks, has fucking cycled through like three times over.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Like I just don't psyching as a he ain't he?
Ain't it? You got to go be a coordinator somewhere
because you've been away from Philly for how many years now?
And what have you produced? Offensively? Not that? All right?

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
And And also to that point, didn't they pulled the
coach before that wasn't he from Philly too?

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Didn't do ship? You're thinking about who was the coach
before him? Uh? His high name wasn't hard damn it?
I know his name, ship. He was on the Philly staff.
He was on the Eagle staff at one point.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Chuck McConnell, Yeah, he was on the legal staff.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Yeah, Chuck mcgonnald's the head coach at one points. To
wrap it up, Yeah, So Ronto Davis and Logan Paul
are apparably gonna be fighting Ronta Davis. Tank Davis. The
motherfucker's knocking everybody out. The biggest fighter in boxing outside

(01:22:49):
of Canelo Alvarez was didn't he just take a big
fight with Locker Paul? I mean, Jake Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Didn't he take a fight with someone before that?

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
I think he got canceled. He didn't get like tearing
uh fucking the Nebraska dude in Canello, which I don't
even know what. Davis knock somebody to funk out. He's
supposed to have another fight. I hope he doesn't fight
row League in, but he's supposed to be fighting Jake Baul.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Yes, all right, what's it?

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
And I don't think Tank is gonna sacrifice his integrity.
You gotta kill that dude. You gotta kill him in
the ring. You have to literally like just give him
brain lifetime, brain damage. He gotta, he gotta, he got
a stutter and cry for the rest of his life
after getting because Tank Davis is a knockout artist. He's
a knockout artist, purely and simple. He's a knockout artist.

(01:23:40):
He could be better, he could definitely, like, you know,
become more well rounded. But it's like, if you're one
punch man, do you need to worry about kicking people
in the face. I just think it's a fade because, uh, well,
Jake Paul gets some more quality. He fights and somehow

(01:24:03):
manages to get more boxers paid on his undercard than
anybody in that in uh UFC and anybody under Barb Aaron.
So yeah, he's an influencer. But I'm like, he found
a way in and is making bread for people and
they're mad, Oh he's fighting. He's he's not a legitimate boxer, Okay,

(01:24:24):
that's fine. What he wouldn't exist if boxing wasn't fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Shady At this point, I think the only part you
can say of him that his illegitimate is that he
didn't have a full fucking amateur circuit career.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
He's not a real boxer at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
He's been boxing professionally for like six years he's fought
due to our so, but he's been training with boxers,
don't I'm not We're not arguing that he has a
professional He's gotten a lot better since that first fight.
Bro So saying he lost him at this point, he lost.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
The Tyson Feries little brother. What's Tommy fury. Yeah, he
knocked out Tarron Willie, but Tyron Willie is a UFC fighter,
not a boxer. If this was a UFC fight, his
ass would have got killed. That's why I was like,
Mayweather played the game and you know, knocked out Logan
Paul on his feet and held him up. You can
go back and watch that one. But what I'm saying

(01:25:19):
like boxers have gotten paid because of an influencer using
his influence. And yeah, you can hate the Paul family,
they're annoying his ship. Stereotypical obnoxious ass white folks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
I'm just saying, like, at some point you gotta start
saying he's not a professional, he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
A real boxer. Bro So, what what boxers don't respect what?
At what point? Really?

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Because the greatest boxer winning the ring with him, So
you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Say, no, Mayweather fought Logan, not Jake, same same logan's
logan's on that juice, same ship. No, it's different, it's
the same ship, bro Nah, it's the same backgrounds the
same time. Davis is in his prime. That motherfucker is
a killer. So if this becomes a sham and he

(01:26:06):
ends up losing the Tank Day, if he ends up
beating Tank Davis, well I'm gonna know boxing's dead. And
two I'm gonna have to respect him. Now. That's why
I like, Yeah, people just real boxers do not respect
what he did. Well. I respect that he got Michael Payday.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
But what I'm saying is like, that's corny because you
don't You don't respect him because he didn't come up.
How you didn't come He didn't go through the same Mikey,
He didn't go through the same amateur bullshit that is
keeping all y'all oppressed and not and keeping y'all all broke.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
That's not it. He's fighting geriatric dudes in.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
MMA, Okay, I don't give a fuck about that. He
is training with professional trainers. He has a full professional
training regime. He's been doing that for six years. So
what I'm saying is, at what point are you gonna
stop using that as an excuse.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
They don't because right now it just sounds like you
guys are the boxing organizations don't consider him to be
a real boxer.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
It's basically saying like, well, you didn't tell you didn't
go through what we went through.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
No, that's not my point. That was diffused once he
found Mike. The issue is and he lost with Tommy
Ferry and I was producer. Fine, what I'm saying is
he is helping revive the sport of boxing and getting
people properly paid. He's the bad guy doing a good thing.

(01:27:31):
So in terms of being a heal.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
You're missing my point of like when does the legitimate
box Davis David when he couldn't?

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
When does that stop when he when he If he
beats take Davis, then I'll shut up forever. If he
gets in the ring with Canelo, which Canel will be
ducking everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
But that's the thing is, like you can't say someone's
not a boxing people because they don't beat the best boxer.
Like there's plenty of people, there's plenty of legitimate boxers
that lose to the best boxers, but leimate boxing. I
want you to say that he went through the amateur
fucking circuit, amateur circuits for twenty years.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
He know he don't have to do the amateur circuit
because he's papered up and he's the draw. He's the
A side fighting and potentially beating Tank Davis. What I'm
saying will be the biggest win in boxing history because
he's an outsider. But what legitimates his career forever.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
What I'm saying is the best boxers don't always fight
the best boxer, and that's.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
That's what Marquez Mars knocked out. Pa killed that motherfucking.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Was a legitimate boxer. Yes, he had fought many legs.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
With multiple boxers for I don't even count the amateurs.
Once you were talking pro stuff. Let's just look at
pro records. You brought up shamebos earlier. You could say, oh,
Mayweather ducks people. He got in the ring and fought
Mayweather and he couldn't touch the motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Yeah, but mostly was already old at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
Yes, but he talks all that shit, but he got
his ass and he didn't listen to that. He didn't
listen to Ziera. Muhammad rest in peace. But I'm saying
if Jake Paul gets into a boxer, whoops, take Davis's ass.
There's no more. He's a legitimate boxer and one of
the best in the world. I'm saying is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Like, just because you're winning, lost record, don't determine if
you're a legitimate boxer or not.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Yes, it does.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
The process is what makes you a legitimate boxer. Legitimate
boxers lose all the time. Pacchio's lost, everyone's lost. With
the exception of Mayweather and now kind of Canelo, he
hasn't lost in a while.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
But for the most part, boxer just lose.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
It's a fight, bro, You're gonna lose, Okay. So what
I'm saying is you can't say, oh, if he loses,
he's not a legitimate boxer, because what if he goes
the distance and he loses by two or three points,
he that's a legitimate That's a legitimate boxer who just
battled one of the best boxers in the world. If
he goes a distance and loses by two or three points,

(01:30:12):
then your arguments the same.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
But he's a legitimate box Some of those fights were
fixed and legitimate. Some of those fights were kind of rigged.
But maybe this question isn't for you, I'm saying for
everyone else.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
But what I'm saying is a good point. Does that
he's not legitimate boxer? Argument in I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Telling you here's the two things. One, it actually has
to be a licensed, sanctioned fight. Those early fights were
not license and changed.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
What I'm saying is like, okay, so let's take you
to the NFL. Right, every year we talk about these
rugby sensations, across sensations, Olympian sensations, guys who who kind
of catch on on camp and don't do anything. Yeah,
so didn't play college whatever, get caught on Scotty recruited,
there's still a leading out through there, whatever. None of
them have really caught on. But let's just say one did.

(01:31:00):
Are you gonna say he's not a legitimate athlete until
he makes five Pro bowls?

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Or is it ten years in the league?

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Is it the four years of service he's got a
pension and now he's a professional player, Like, what for
you is gonna signify? Hey, this guy is now a
football player. We gotta stop mentioning that he's a pass
lacrosse player. He's a passed rugby player, because now he's
been dominating the league for X amount of years or
reached X amount of threshold.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
I'm glad you gave that perspective in that question. Perfect example.
The rugby player who got signed by the Chiefs. He
was like, I feel like they just prior towards college
players and I was wasting my time. So he went
back to go playing rugby and he's a great rugby player.
Jordan Malanta is a fucking Hall of Fame left tackle.
Came out of nowhere, Jason. This is the first year

(01:31:46):
that Jason Peters won't be on the NFL roster since
fucking Lebron was playing as a rookie. Yeah, twenty one years.
He's done. He said he's done. He said that the
last two years. But I'm saying, here's the thing, right,
if Jason Peters goes and plays in a forty and
up league, he's already a made man. We know he's

(01:32:07):
a bad motherfucker. Yeah, that doesn't make the league he's
playing in legitimate Those are bus drivers and shit. Yeah,
you bought the pads and the gear and shit, and
you're hitting people and you're doing the act of boxing,
but you are not respected in the way that legitimate boxers. Okay,

(01:32:27):
So I'm saying the rugby player, right, if he goes
and check and calls out Michael Rvin and whoops Michaels
Irvan and he locks up Michael Irvin, how many Brownie
points you giving him for that? Mike Corvin is fifty
seven years old. I mean, right now, who cares? So
if I lock up Michael Irvan.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
My legitimate You're just answering my question with another question.
Just answer my question. What is the threshold for you?

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
The threshold is has to be sanctioned. No, in football,
what is the threshold for you? The thresholder is like,
can you actually do the job against people your peer group?
But your peer group?

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
I've done that, So now how long do I need
to do that for you to respect me as a
legitimate player.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
That's what I'm asking you. Yeah, but I'm saying, Jake Paulston,
I just answer the question. Bro, Just I just a question. No,
you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
You keep answering with other questions and talking about others sayings.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
Just answer the question. How what is that time frame?
The time frame? I mean, honestly, I need at least
ten fights from him.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
So I'm talking about in football, how long does another
athlete who didn't play college football, didn't play football his
whole life. How long does he need to dominate in
the NFL for you to recognize him legitimate?

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
It's different because you get a bunch of cracks answer
the question. Tell you once you show up and you
want to make.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
The roster and your starter certain player, okay, and so
then once he makes a Pro Bowl, then he's a
legitimate story.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
He's a successful one season, that's it. One roster, that's it.
More fucking me or you not me. I've technically been
in the league for four years, but that's a different story.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
But it's like me saying I made the association, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
But I get in a pension, so it's kind of cool,
but not anyway. But I'm saying, like for football, once
you've played football, you go through Hell Week and you
go through all that ship and you can make a team.
You can beat people out your you're respected for that.
He has taken shortcuts and oh because I beat up

(01:34:29):
fifty year old Mike Tyson who might have Parkinson's definitely CTE.
You don't get points for that. Why don't you fight
somebody in their prime? You have to Actually, you're just
you have to beat out your peer once you go, well, player, dog,

(01:34:54):
you're a football player. Even if it's only when out
and you did.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
It, you're just making up. You're literally just making my point.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
For him, know me, start fucking football league.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
If you and I started boxing. Right now, you're saying,
I gotta beat the best boxer in the world before
you say, you know what, you're a legitimate boxer.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Who's actually active, like an active boxer, not someone who's retired,
not a UFC guy. Then he's just running fades. He's
a certified favor runner. I'll tell you that much, all right.
I wouldn't want to I wouldn't want to have to
box this motherfucker because, like I know, he's trained, and
he's like locked into Puerto Rico and shit and like
just the average person. Yeah, but I'm saying if I'm

(01:35:44):
comparing him, like I'm not saying Jake Paul and Sonny
listen in the same fucking sentence as oh, these two
are boxers, that's disrespectful to the sport. Twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Yeah, I would have given you. I would have agreed
with what you're saying. But I'm just saying six years later,
like people are still acting like he's just a dude
who does CrossFit and wants to run fades and make money.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
He does and to make money.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
But what I'm saying is he's not just doing fucking
your everyday CrossFit. Your every day CrossFit dude who goes
to F forty five is not going to be Jake Paul.
I think that's what I what I want people to acknowledge.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Which person with you want.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
To acknowledge like, oh, he's not he's not at the
standard professional boxer, But then you also want to acknowledge
that he's not just some dude who's rich and doing
cross street wants to fight people, like he's actually put
in the time and the hours and draining.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
Part of that. Technically, yes, but yes he has put
in the time of the hours to say he's more
of a boxer than any other average person. Yes, but
that that's not the argument. The argument is, can he
stand next to Sonny listing Muhammad Ali? He's not boxer? No,
not even that, take the record, never.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Even want to WBC or whatever the fuck's wilder.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
I'm saying he doesn't get a respect that like a
Tyson Fury, even though he was a cheater, and Alexander
Uchecks and all these other guys would get because they're
real deal boxers. They didn't just decide to one day
pick this shit up. They fought killers take out their
amateur crews. Because some of these guys have one hundred
matches in their Canelo has like one hundred matches, he

(01:37:22):
was like eighty and Ohers an amateur or something like that.
We'll forget all that. He's cutting the line and people
are pissed about that, But he's also the draw and
people are pissed about that. It's the same thing in wrestling.
Logan people at that point and that point.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
So again moving to that, it's like, how many appearances
for you does it take.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
For you to say a legit wrestler? No, for you
to say, they didn't have to fucking roster for you to.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
Say, okay, that dude's a legitimate wrestler. What's the threshold
there for you for a professional wrestler. Let's let's say
fucking I don't know, see I can't compare to pick
a football player. Let's say Aaron Donald. Let's say Aaron
Donald joins the WWB. How many appearances? How many fucking
belts does he need to hold? How many matches does

(01:38:12):
he need to hold to? You say, you know what,
Aaron Donald's no longer just a fucking celebrity.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
You just tell him on the skill set? Are his
are his promos good? Is his en ring work good?
And he trained? He's like, how does he train? You
know he's not in great shape? Is he charismatic? Are
your promos good? Is your in ring work good?

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
So let's say all of that ship is good right
out the jump, You're just gonna say he's a legitimate
wrestler because he's wrestling.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
He's checking all the boxes.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
That's all tasts, he's checking all the box.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
Wrestling is based out of the carnival, so that's already
some Carnie ship and technically, yeah, show up. You're like,
if you have if you have a full wrestling match, yes,
your wrestler. Okay, So the bar is much lower and
not like a death subway death match either, not like
we're gonna hear each other. I mean like we're actually
wrestling and there's timing and there's pace, and you get

(01:39:07):
in the ring and you're pretty good. So for you,
the threshold for wrestling is Lord. Yes, because wrestling is
a sport centertainment. Anyone can do it. Not anyone can
be a boxer.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
And now let's let's let's move on to movies. What's
the threshold for you to say you got your sad card?
Guy is a fucking legitimate actor, like at this point
is legitimate actor?

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
Yes, but he plays He's like George Cooley. He plays
the fucking same character and everything he does. Apparently that
movie he did imitating the UFC Fighter is pretty good.
But like Dave Batista is the greatest wrestler turned actor
of all time, it's not even close. How many movies
you'll said it is elite?

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
How many movies does it take for them to be
a legitimate actor?

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Anytimes you only need one. So what really just comes
down on the quality? Sometimes are you doing theater like?
Are you doing the theater scene? Are you doing improv?

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
So for you, it's more about the quality in the
quantity is what I'm here.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
It's the work in the standards and do you meet
professional standards?

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
All right, let's go ahead and close off the show now.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
Anything you want to say to.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
The people, it's too fucking hot, Yeah, it is, especially
with these lights.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
And also like the world in blackouds are going to
be happening again. And then there's also news that like
another fucking earthquake is supposed to happen, a tsunami situation, Uh,
country falling, the ship apparently floored up. Kids with disabilities
can't get degrees now they won't be given a degree.

(01:40:43):
You're tearing it. So it's like, so how are they
supposed to live and survive? We live in a country
with some horrible ass people with horrible views. I'm gonna
try to get too political, but it's it's a ship
show out here in the Smithsonian. It's a definite shit
chair out here. But yeah, I'm just glad season is

(01:41:05):
about to start September first, four fourth, Yeah, because once
Labor Day happens, as I mean, summer's over technically, yes,
but it's still going to be hot. Summer already over.
Oh that's crazy. Like Brouht Beach. Yeah, I've been to

(01:41:25):
the beach a couple of times. It's it's definitely fucking nice. Well,
it's crazy. And then like schools about to start back up.
It's really trippy, like when your parents say as your
parents are like, oh, don't worry when you're grown, you'll understand.
Yeah that that's not funny. I feel like when you
said that in that in that little condescending tone when
I was a kid, like fuck you every adult who

(01:41:49):
ever told me that. I'm just kidding. But like it's
kind of really trippy though, Like this is my fourth
year at the NFL, fourth season, third year. Yeah, I'm
just thankful I never quit and I never gave up.
I'm not. It's kind of dreamed greater than my circumstance.
I've always had dreams greater than my circumstances, and once

(01:42:11):
I'm set on something, I don't let anything stop me
in the way. So I'm thankful that, like I chose
this path because it could have been worse. And I'm
excited about all the college football and shit. Soh yeah,
here wins where you can get them.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
I think we recorded like ten days ago, so I'm
trying to think back through my life over the last
ten days. It's kind of hard when it's pretty much
just been fucking pr work to pr work to fucking
football practice, to the gym to home to like sprinkles
of my girlfriend here and there.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
But outside of that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
It's just been grind, grind, grind, but.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
Yeah, man, I'm excited for the season. Two man.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Shout out to my boy uh Ce Mace and my
high school team just got on with the Raiders. It
was with the Clippers last season, so big Raider fan.
Happy for him. Man. He did tell me when he
took the Clippers job that his goal is to be
in Vegas, so props in for that form making it happen.

(01:43:16):
Shit Outside of that, man, I'm proud of all work
I've been doing on the fantasy side of fantasy life.
So they're all over the place right now, all over
the map, so just getting them out there grinding, and uh,
I'm excited for this football season. I mean youth level.
We're twoing one right now, so that's good. Got another.

(01:43:36):
We got our first travel actual game next week. We
go to Vegas eight am kickoffs just because it's hot
as fuck. After that, I haven't decided to turn up
or not out there, but regardless, like Kenny said, I'm
just happy that football season's here on all levels. So

(01:43:56):
it's touchdowns and tangents. TD's underscore tangents on Twitter and
we are out peace. Shout out to Mancini, got some
good news coming. Next, we got on Jisu.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
A shout out to Mancini and Seanelle High and Hawthorne.
I are playing at so Far for the first time ever.

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