Season Nine Preview To Your Seven

Kenny and Pete preview the AFC and NFC West ahead of Week One. They get into the first week of CFB action including live interviews from USC. Catch it here and on touchdownsandtangents.com

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey, you out there there, I want some I want
some coal.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Actually, you can tell that they actually have some type
of chemistry.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hey, cloud chasing, that's cool. I actually got something to
mind for you. We'll keep questing, you'll find out out.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
This is a Touchdowns and Tangents, your weekly spot or
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What's up, good people? Touchdowns and tangents? Here live. It's
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Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm P de Camrio. He is Kenneth Berry, and.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
It's your spot for NFL takes and topical tangents for
the culture. Week one is officially here, labor days behind us,
the summer is over falls right around the fucking corner horizon,
whatever the fuck you want to say. So, yeah, man, Kenny,
we made it another year, made another football season.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Just start by talking about that. Yeah, So this is
year nine of touchdowns and dangels.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Crazy, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Next year will be ten years crazy. I was looking
at my resume like, damn, I don't even need to
even put my shit from college, Like I'm in the
point I just don't even like. I'm like, yeah, I
just put it because I'm like, all right, is what.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
I did in college. But I'm like, I don't even
need to.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's funny like at the time we were white knuckling
it constantly worried about shit. Now we're just white knuckling it,
constantly worried about it.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Crazy, but no.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Shit works out. You know, life's tough, but she keeps
working out if you keep working. So you know, this
is my third year and fourth season working with the NFL,
so it's kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
I'm happy for the season.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
And honestly, for the first time in my life, I'm
confident the Raiders are gonna have a good season.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's crazy. You know.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
I wouldn't go to that far. I'm optimistic, I'm happy,
but yeah, I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Go I'm confident, I'm confident.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I wouldn't say I'm confident that, I would not say.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
God functionally decent.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
For me to say that I'm confident with eight wins,
I'm confident the eight wins and then they figured the
other shit out, and let's be honest, Denver didn't beat
them until last year.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
I mean, I don't think Pete Carroll's never won less
than any game, So I'm just saying I think that's
why you brought him in, right, So you know, I
don't disagree.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I disagree with with how Pete handled certain things in
my career.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
I will say I am in.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
The ESC but I trust a Pete Carroll coached team.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I will say that I am more optimistic for their
season than I have been in some years, with maybe
the exception of like twenty seventeen and maybe that first
year where they got Davante.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
But my hesitation is.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Basically what it's been for every year except for one year,
which was last year, which ended up being fools go.
But the Raiders still don't really have enough defensive tackles
for me to sit here and say, yeah, that defense
is full proof or doesn't have weaknesses.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
And the division is again, is just so strong.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
I mean, you're talking about one of the greatest coached
divisions ever. I mean between two national three national champions
three national championships, what fucking twelve Super Bowls or some bullshit,
and then what everyone's won a Super Bowl except for Harball.

(04:14):
So that's that's that's a lot of great coaches in
that division.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, supportingly.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
I mean, and and I think that the third part
of it is you're still banking a lot on some
young guys. I mean, whether you're talking about receiver or
whether you're talking at running back. That offensive that offense
is really banked on young guys, and the offensive line
again is going through some turnover. We know Pete Carroll

(04:48):
hasn't always been the best at managing that. I think
he's good at finding guys, but I think it can
also be counter productive because they're always moving and flexing
and trying to move guys around rather than just developing
guys where they fit best. So that's kind of where

(05:10):
the rubber means the road with Pete Carroll teams is
it's good at finding competition and good at, you know,
finding guys, but it's not always the best at developing
that kind of top end telling or really kind of
pushing guys to that next level from where they're already at.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
That makes sense, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I think there's the biggest thing is like, Okay, you
see their speed all over the their speed out line back.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
The way way more depth, there's a plane, there's a
lot more things to that they have that they haven't
brought to the cookout in the past couple of.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Seasons, so I see it. I understand it.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
I just also think there's a there's a lot of
there's a lot of other cooks in the kitchen too.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
So for sure.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
But yeah, and I mean this whole Michael Parsons trade,
like that whole like this Jerry Jones shit, like him
releasing that documentary being released. It's so genius and brilliant
because Jerry Jones just told you who he was this
whole fucking time, and a part of you kind of

(06:16):
wants to root for him because it's like, bro was
broke as fuck after winning a national championship. He literally
could have he risked pretty much generational poverty to buy
the Cowboys. He bought the Cowboys at a loss. Yep,
Like you gotta respect it. I mean the whole Jimmy

(06:36):
Jones Jimmy Johnson situation. And yeah, if you look at it,
Michael Parsons really had no leverage, but he got exactly
what he wanted.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
He still got his money. Now he's on the Packers.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
The eeriest part was when they played that clip of
somebody asked came out the Pro Bowl if he would
ever be a Packer, and he was like, nah, too
many Cowboy fans like am loyal cowboy? You know I'm
a lifer blah blah blah. To go from that to hey,
we haven't even talked. We're not even on the same page.

(07:14):
Four months later, made up.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
A lie about his.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
He said that David Moghetta pretty much said you can
shove that offer up your ass. And He's like, I
don't even talk like that, and Jeror's like, I know,
I just said it.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Is like eighty five just cause, and Havoc.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Him bes man, like you really think about it, like
those are like the last titans of industry.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Weird.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
It's just crazy to me because, as someone who knows
a few Cowboy fans, I know how devastate their worry
about the move. I mean, ultimately, I think it came
down to Jerry Jones trading Micah to the one place
where he didn't have to look an owner in the
eye and know that, hey, this guy best to me

(08:06):
in the trade, or hey, this guy has a player
that I drafted.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
And is now winning championships in rings with him.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Because the Packers' public ownership structure, like yeah, they have
a chairman, they have a face, but he doesn't have
the same sort of power and goal as some of
these other owners, because yeah, from all reports indicators, like
a lot of these owner meetings are just literally boys clubs.
Like there's literally just a bunch of rich white men

(08:37):
sitting in the room fucking around, drinking scotch and talking
about whatever the fuck they want to talk about. So
the dynamics, especially when you're a team like the Cowboys,
who's worth all this amount of money, You've won all
these championships. Jerry Jones built basically the infrastructure of all
the different teams through legends, and so for him, like

(09:01):
he's he's a tighten in the room, like Kenny said,
And you don't want to have to kiss the ring.
You don't want to have to say, yeah, you got
me on that one, and Jerry doesn't have to. But
for a lot of Packer fans, I think, I mean
a lot of Cowboy fans, I think it is a
slap in the face because I mean, shit, who's eliminated

(09:24):
the fucking Cowboys from the playoffs more than the Packers? No,
And so now you have to see a generational player,
But that ugly ass Green and yellow one like I
know it hurts, and packers have like some of the
best uniforms in there.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
They do. Let's don't let's knock all that shit up
they do.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
And I think the third part of it too is
you basically send them to the smallest market in the
league hoping that his name, image and likeness won't get
bigger than it already is.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
But Jerry, you're the one who enable that and push that.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
So Mike, it can't just be a hey, you know,
you grow, the star grows, and then next thing you know,
you're bigger than the star and you gotta go Like,
just doesn't work that way. Things are changing and you
either get with it or you get your change snatched.

(10:22):
Evolve an adapter, get your chain stanch our titles really
are going in the smithsodium one day if the Smithsonian
is still around. But that's a separate tangent. You don't
to the ground that Mancini can talk about.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Shout out to Mantini and Andrew man Cen al Right,
moving on, that's a drop, he'll he'll he'll appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Anything else you want to say about Micah before we
move on.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Got one hundred and eighty eight million dollar contract they
paid Duran Blad.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Uh yeah, that was like for you ninety two million.
Another guy got paid today, Luke Goadecki, the Buccaneers right tackle. Oh,
here's what I was gonna say, four years, nine fifty
million guaranteed.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Here's what I was gonna say. Sick, that's generation. The
last part of the trade is Doug. Everyone's acting like
Kenny Clark is just a fucking bumm. Like, I get it.
I square up for him. He's a nose tackle, and
I get it.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
He didn't have his best year last year time out,
but he's still one of the most versatile interior defensive
lineman in the league. He's just about to turn thirty.
His contract isn't horrible, so you can get out for
minute a year or two. And oh yeah, he plays
a position of need. The Cowboys haven't had a nose

(11:50):
tackle since fucking Jay Ratliffe twenty years ago or Leroy
Glover twenty years ago.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
So Alaf was an athletic three technique. He's really so
three technique playing those.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
So the point that I'm trying to make is the
Cowboys got probably as good of an offer as they
were gonna get there's only a handful of trades in
NFL history that have been more than for more than
two first round picks. You'd have to look at like
Ricky Williams, which he got traded for a whole fucking draft.

(12:28):
You got to look at herschel Walker when they send
it in to Minnesota, and there's like one or two
other ones outside of that. I mean, you had Jayalen Ramsey,
you had Khalil Mack. You got traded for two Minka, Yeah, Minka.
But the Cowboys got that, and they essentially got a
Pro Bowl player at a position of need on a
decent contract. So yeah, you're never gonna get fair value

(12:52):
for Michael Parsons.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
That's that's that's the deal non starter.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Like you're not gonna win the nes trade, but for
where they're at now and where they're going to figure
out where they're going, like I think he got a
good haul. I mean, the Cowboys don't have Michael Parsons
on the edge, but they do have some other speed.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
They do have other.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Guys there who they can stream and figure out. And
I mean Parsons dealt with injury last year too, which
they weren't good when he was out, but I mean,
you have some precedent, so I guess that's something. But yeah,
that was my final thought. I just wanted to stand
up for Kenny Clark because nobody really talking about Kenny Clark,

(13:38):
and he's a star in the community, both in Green
Bay and in the Los Angeles and in the i E.
Because he's actually from Carter shout out to rialto.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Now I gotta take it one step further, if we're
being honest. You got the run stopping ability of Michael
Parsons in one person, Kenny Clark, and you.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Just hope that this fast guys can figure out enough
to maybe give you a seventy of Michael Parsons.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Here's the thing, right, So they took the address out
of Boston College. Who was like one of the top
sack leaders in the country, Donovan, some Nigerian last year.
Ye ran a four to six really fast boom. He's
one starter. He got Sam Williams coming off of a
knee injury, who was running a four to four, which
I covered him at the NFL Shrine Bowl and then
watched him go off to the you.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Know he was at that.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
He was at the NFLPA Ball first then he went
to the Shrine and then he quickly went to the
Senior Bowl. That was a crazy year. That was a
deep defensive line class because he's one of the best
players in own this history. Defensive I think you're thinking
of the other dude, Sam Williams, number fifty four one.

(14:59):
It was Sam Williams. I think James Houston the fourth. No,
they both, they both were there. I have a video.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
And I think I think James Houston did all three.
I think Sam Williams only did too.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
No, he was there and then he left as soon
as he got the Senior Bowl.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
He dipped.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, like I'm saying, I think Houston actually did all three.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, Houston definitely did all three. But like Sam Williams,
they saw him and I like, wait your Vegas.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
He send him the mobile. But my point is, you
got defensive ends, you have defensive linemen.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
You have Bozzie Smith, first round pick out of Michigan
from a couple of years ago, strongest hail athletic, Kenny Clark.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
He's really like an underdeveloped Kenny.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Clark because Kenny Clark actually was playing three technique five technique.
Kenny Clark could play from nose out to pretty much
five technique. If we're being honest, Green Bay really didn't
do him any services like his sack. His sack totals
could have been higher his whole career, but he was
forced to play noes. He's more athletic. He's stronger and

(16:09):
more athletic than b J Rozie. B J Roji was
a big ass athletic nose tackle. But like Kenny Clark
at twenty when he came into the league, he was young, athletic,
could move, and they molded him into whatever they needed
him to be. This isn't like an Antoine Wood situation.

(16:29):
It's like, no, this Kenny Clark is a prominent defensive tackle,
and shit, if they work out something with Christian Wilkins,
you never know. But the point is, I think it's
gonna be on you paid Aron Bland, you have Demarrion Overshan, Like,
this is clearly a.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Dallas defense that will be big on coverage.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
And the only way this Dallas defense is going to
succeed is if they're back in is locked in, because
that front four is a kind of suspect and I
would just say away from them in fantasy if I
were y'all, But just you know, get excited every time
you open against Dallas' defense because you're probably gonna have
a great day running the ball.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Moving on to uh, well, I guess we can talk
about the rest of the Week one preview. I already
kind of talked about the Raiders, but I feel like
the Chargers. They're making their debut in Brazil, which is crazy.
How how the fuck did no? Why aren't more people

(17:40):
mad that these NFL teams are giving up Marquee home games.
As a Chargers season tickets fan, as a Charger season
ticket holder for the last five years, the Chiefs game
is literally the only game I've consistently sold, and they

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gave that game to Sam Pallow, So not enough people
have talked about that. And honestly, I really don't even
think you should be having international games in Week one
because you're really, as a team, you're kind of starting
at a disadvantage because you got to travel far as
like you got to work on a different time zone,

(18:26):
and then that's how you're starting your season. And then
like the Chargers aren't going to be home for another
three weeks, like they damn near don't come home till
like the end of September, like almost October.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
So we're raking them up when September ends. Yeah, something
like that. Fuck my father, couh.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
But it's weird because I feel like somehow the Charge
like nobody really knows how to feel.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
About the Chargers.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
I feel like in some circles they're getting a lot
of hype because they made the playoffs last year. They added,
you know, some more exposiveness in the backfield, and then
they brought back Keenan Allen Quintin. John Quinnin Johnston looks
a little bit better. Lad mcconflete looks a little bit better.
I think they upgraded their tight end position outside of

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the side of the outside of the injuries on the
offensive line, I mean, I think most people feel like
the offense is going to be a lot better the defense,
even though they lost Joey Bosa. I mean, he's been
out the past three years half the season anyways, so
a lot of people feel like the defense should be
about the same, if not better, and the offense is
for sure going to be better. And also people feel like, okay,

(19:38):
year two.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Hardbamb people are gonna catch on to it a little
bit better.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
The division is better, they have a really tough schedule,
et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, I feel like, based
off of what I've been listening to, watching hearing, I
feel like people don't really know where to put the Chargers.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
They want to be high on them, but.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Obviously president like we've been high on them the past
five years and they ain't really done ship but losing
the first round.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
So what do you make of the Chargers?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
First, I gotta say, no way, the NFL is turning
down billions of dollars in Brazil.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
The world's going to.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
See this game, and it's streaming like it's it, come
on the game global.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
It's a Thursday night.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
We know the game's global and it's in Brazil, so
it starts a ten pm or some shit.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, it's crazy. So it's like, I do what you
gotta do.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah, someone said they're already like that alone is the
longest trip, and overall there's still.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
All right, all right?

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Think two touchdowns and tangents technical difficulties cut us out
halfway through some fire ass season preview. But I digress.
Sometimes you gotta get second rips. That is than what
I wanted to play I wanted to play.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
This same.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
But yeah, man, so touchdowns and tangents. Pete, I'm here, Kenny,
still here? What's up, Kenny?

Speaker 1 (21:35):
What's up? Uh?

Speaker 3 (21:36):
And if you're listening to this, where we left off
was talking about the a SCU West.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
The Chargers feel like are just an enigma.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
You know. Some people, On one hand, I think they're
gonna build on last year. They added some fire power
to the backfield. Some people expect to jump from Justin
Herbert year two in the harbor. They're gonna let him
do some more. Within that offense, stole the ball around
a little bit more. They brought Keenan Allen back. Johnston

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and mcconclee are supposed to both look better in camp
outside of the offensive line issues on all, the offense
is supposed to be better defensively. Yeah, they lost Bosa,
but he's been hurt the past few years, and so
now you got guys going into year two Harbott scheme
and people really just kind of expect for them to

(22:31):
build on that. On the other hand, they're still the Chargers,
so there's some element of, hey, they're gonna choke. And
then on top of that, they're playing in one of
the best divisions probably in at least coaching wise NFL history.
I mean, you got two guys who have won national
championships at the collegiate level, and then you got three

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guys who have won Super Bowls, and you got a
fourth guy who's played in the Super Bowl. And then
when you factor in all this Super Bowls that they've
even lost, I mean, you're you're talking about double digits
just in one conference, which is really imprecedent. So it
remains to be seen kind of where the Chargers make out.
But I think the conversation me and Kenny had the

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first time around was just I mean, even when you
talk about top quarterbacks in the league, I mean, it's
hard to figure out where to put Justin Herbert because
on one hand, at least a few years ago, he was
in that that top you know, five to six range
with you know, the big four, Allen Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow,

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it was kind of that fifth guy. But now you
got these younger guys who have proven it. You know,
whether you're talking about Jane Daniels basically getting his team
to an NDERC title game or Jalen Hurts getting his
team to two Super Bowls in three years and winning one,
or Nix, who's a guy a lot of people are
all high on and thinks gonna have a great, outstanding year.

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And then you factor in some of these other guys
who have you know, gone high in drafts and have
the tools and the trades but haven't put it together
at this level, like Kyler Murray, Trevor Lawrence. Then you
got the winners and the game managers and guys like
Jared Goff and Matt Stafford, and it's like, you know,

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Herbert could easily be in any of those guys categories
but also be on his own.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
So that was really weird.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
The conversation went as far as the Chargers, did I
forget anything.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Kenny Chargers defense at corner specifically might be sus but
you never know, really don't know. But they're the Chargers,
so they're usually kind of snake. So's me. I just

(24:55):
have the Chiefs winning the division, Broncos being right there,
Raiders at three, Chargers finished last, but I think because
the division is so great, at all four teams could
find a way to make the playoffs, because let's be real,
the AFC East is trash.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
I mean, all four teams were kind of in the
mix up until the Raiders season kind of collapse, So
y is trash. It's very much possible. They were all
on the mix kind of two years ago too, so
it's it's very much possible. I think for me though,
I mean, you still got to put the charges that.
I mean, you gotta put the Teas at number one,

(25:37):
just because they've done it time and time again. And yeah,
they have question marks at receiver what the injury is
going on, and the other offensive line always seems to be,
you know a mix of guys who can play in
a mix of guys off the street. And the defense
is very much the same where it's like they find

(25:57):
a lot of high talented that leads. I mean they
kind of tie everything together with some veterans here and there,
so you know what their formula is, and they got
to be a number one after that. I mean, I'll
stick with the Chargers just because I mean that Kenny
said it the.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Last Timmer around.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
But Harbam's a fucking psycho and that's someone you kind
of just have to respect, and I think he wants
to get that Super Bowl ring and be at the
table with those other guys, So I think for them,
this is the time, and also there may be some
underlying forces happening because the NFL really wants to be

(26:38):
successful in Los Angeles, and they also happened to be
moving a lot more resources and facilities here. But that's
a side tangent that Kenny can't really talk about.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
So I'll move on, and.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Then after that I'll say it's definitely the Raiders, because
fuck the Broncos. As high as everyone is on the Broncos,
I get it. Their defense, you know, has been the
defense has been proven. They find a way to play
defense and devery they have for a long time. People

(27:13):
are really excited about them, excited about bon Nicks. They're
excited about the explosive guys that got in the backfield.
But for me, I just think that talent wise, they're
a half set behind these other teams, and I think
the bon Nicks type goes to somewhat of a sophomore slump.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, anything else, it's Sean Payton.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Their defense is stingy, and if boon Knicks can figure
out how to start chucking the deep and getting more
guys involved and spreading the field with you know, Marvin
manas junior, he got Corl and Sudden you got uh
Evan Ingram.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
They added Ingram is a sleeper weapon and I like
a lot.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Even though he disappoints me in fantasy so much, two
years ago, he was good, tell me about it.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
That's really the outlier when you look at his career.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
So it's like when it just comes to the Broncos,
like they're gonna be your better because of Sean Payton
got details Patrick Shotan the second is arguably the best corner.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Of football for sure.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
When he when Jamar Chase is like, bro, there's nothing
you can do to beat that guy. When him and
Justin Jefferson are saying that to Chad Johnson, that should
that should tell you something.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
In the NFC West, all right, we talked a lot
about the Rams for obvious reasons, but I think we
both agree that round season really comes down to Stafford's back.
I mean, I think you said it best, Kenny. He's forty,
but his back is going on seventy eight. I mean

(29:10):
I talked a little bit about it, but I mean
he played in Detroit for half of his career with
a Hodgepodge offensive line and damn near no running game,
and then you factor in that he's just a big person,
Like you don't understand that when you're a big football player, like,
it's not always an advantage. Like people just assume you

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always want the biggest, fastest, strongest guy, and yeah, you
do do it extent, but at the same time, you
want someone who knows how to play with those tools
and apply them in that context, because the reality is
when you're bigger and taller, like that just means more surface.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Area for people to block you or tackle you or
hit you.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
It can be a disadvantage because, like they always say,
the low man wins, Like you have to know how
to play big and tall, and it's hard for quarterbacks
because they're basically free shots half the time, and especially
when you're not the most mobile like Stafford was, or
especially when you always got your eyes.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Downfield like him. You know, it's both the strength and weakness.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
So for him, you know, he's one clean shot away
from Jimmy Garoppolo being the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Trent Green vibes. And then you add in the backfield, like.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Last year they started kind of going towards corner more
at the end of the year, but Kyron has been
kind of their hot hands for the past two seasons.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
He just got a big deal, So it's like, how
does that play out?

Speaker 3 (30:43):
And then they added someone else in the backfield mixed,
so where do they find him reps? And then if
Safford really does go hurt, get hurt, now you're looking
at using all three of those guys and really not
even using these these receivers that you've invested a lot in.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
So how does that playout?

Speaker 3 (31:00):
I mean, Kenny said it last time, It's like, what
happens when Devonte doesn't get the ball? What happens when
DeVante doesn't get the ball and.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
You lose and Pukasta is in a nasty custody hearing
with his baby mom or i should say proof of
paternity with his baby mother.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
And with the defense, I mean, I think we can
all expect it to take a step forward because they're
in your year two under a new coordinator, and a
lot of their young guys are a year wiser, year older,
so that should also help them. And then you factor in, Okay,

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the division as a whole kind of just took a
step back. I mean, a lot of people are picking
the Cardinals as kind of the sexy pick to be
the surprise winner of the division. But you got the
Niners who are kind of in a transitional period. I
mean their backfield, everyone is hurt in some way, shape

(32:05):
or form, so you don't know how that's going to
turn out. I mean, brock Party went through injury things
last season and that's pretty much what cost him their season.
You got Jennings who wants to trade. You got Robinson
who's suspended for half the season or like six games whatever.
And then you got a Uk who's hurt but signed

(32:26):
the deal, but still wanted to trade after he signed
the deal, So who knows what's there? They got rid
of Debo. It was kind of their emotional face for
a while. So it's like, who knows what that Niner
team is going to be. What they should be is
someone that plays CMC had receiver more, but we digress.

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Kenny's been saying that for a few years now that
he just needs to fully convert to receiver.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Else you want to add on the Niners.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Rams, it's gonna go I think it's gonna be Rams, Cardinals, Seahawks, Niners.
That's how it's gonna play out with the division. I
just think the right side of their offensive line. There's
there's too much uncertainty with their offensive line. And yeah,
it's cool if you can run the ball, but if
you can't pass efficiently.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Like how much.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Like their Super Bowl window was closed drastically, Like you're
kind of stuck with Kyle Shanahan because he's one of
the best offensive mines in football.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
I mean, we talked about it in the part that
didn't get get recorded, but it's like a lot of
it kind of goes back to that Trey Lance trade
where it's like basically got traded for three picks and.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Like that defense and they passed on Michael Parsons to
do that.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, which was a good point. But even with that,
it's like five years ago, Like this de was totally
different when sala was there. So a lot of people
kind of want to give him bail and say, oh, well,
they're going to take a jump forward with Salah and
get that energy back. But it's like these guys are
like Fred Warner is five years older now, you know so,

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and he doesn't have the same kind of supporting cast
around him. I'll give him the benefit of doubt over
the Seahawks because I think those teams are both kind
of close. Seahawks are also in year two under without
Pete Carroll, so you know that.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Regime is fully installed.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
You're gonna get a real sense of kind of what
culture is going on up there, what they're trying to
do and build. I mean, DK Metcalff and Tyler Lockett
are not walking through that door. And now you got
Cooper cup who I guess already were trying to trade
a training camp for some reason.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
And Jackson and.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Jigma, who a lot of people I feel like want
to say is going to be the breakout receiver just
because he's already been so good and now he's stepping
into a high usage roll. On the other hand, I
feel like people don't really know what to make of
Sam Darnold. He had a great year in the regular season,
flame down in the playoffs. He's been up and down
his entire career. I mean, Kenny's been watching him for

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years and basically said you just gotta protect him and
he'll give you a shot. But for me, I think
it breaks down to Rams just because I'm gonna go
with the consistency the Cardinals because I feel like last

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year they took a big jump up this year. You know,
you can go either way. They were so bad two
years ago the only way to go was up coming
in this year in the middle pack, they ain't go
either way, but a lot of teams think that they're
gonna make that next jump. I just want to root

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for Kyler Murray because for some reason everyone hates him
now and he finally revealed is because, yeah, he's basically
established fantasy team in the back of the past three years.
And Marvin Harrison, I mean, for everything we talked about
him being in college, it's like last year there were climpses,
but we need more because Okay, Smith is making us

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forget all about you, But I digress anything else we
might have forgot about. The NFC West preview, what's.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
That Sam Donald's going to be the undoing of the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
In the offensive line, I mean, they still have all
of the same question marks that they've been had for
a while.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Hit Sam Donald and he just he starts seeing ghosts man.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
And I mean the defense, Like, we know the corners
are good, you know they have talent in the front seven,
but it's like, how is it going to shake up?
How's it going to mesh together, so Seattle could go
either way. For me, I think I just believe in
the Cardinals a little bit more and I believe in

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the Niners a little bit more. I believe the Cardinals
have a little bit more upside on the wildcard factor.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
And I believe the Niners just have a little bit
more on.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
The consistency factor that I think will edge both of
those teams out. But who knows. Again, with all that division,
you know that that's a division that's pretty much wide
open in my eyes, Dynasy West, but I think you
said that it's the Rams to lose, and that's probably

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the case if Stafford is Stafford.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
All right? College football?

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Oh so, shout out to Phil Robinson. He was at
the Standard State game last week. Uh, he was covering it.
If he's a ve testing has the tangent social Phil
Robinson all filter truth. You know, San Jose State is

(38:27):
gonna be playing Texas this week because Texas got that
ship kicked out of them by Ohio State. Everybody's on
the arch Manning train. Arch Manning sucks train now, which
is funny because y'all been glazing him.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Since he got to college.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
But okay, you know, one of the best defenses in
the country. Matt Patrician, NFL defensive coordinator, said, you know,
we're gonna make this guy beat us, And for whatever reason,
Sarkisian was are ready to take the training wheels off
arch Manning. They lost fourteen to seven, but it felt
like a much further away game.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
And Caleb downs, I mean.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
I didn't watch you, but was it that bad? Because
people were saying they got their ass kick, but the
score didn't indicate that.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
The after ship pushed in metaphorically if we're talking about
just like Ohio State was ready for everything they did,
dropped their corners back and played everything.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Yeah, but holding that team the only fourteen boys is crazy.
And imagine have great defense, and imagine if imagine if
arch Manning would have really went in there and threw
five or six touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
That wasn't happen.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
But if he would have really did that, we'd be
having a different conversation. We'd be talking about him.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Well, if I'm not playing about a billion dollars, we'd be.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Talking about him.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
He his his draft stock is already a rocket high.
He doesn't need to play the rest of the year
like you go into the horseshoe that NFL defense for
six touchdowns and they're annoying you the number one draft pick.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
I'm sorry this is I mean, yeah, but that was
never gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
But I'm just saying if that would have happened, but
it didn't. So with that, it's like, you gotta give.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
He played bad.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
You gotta give Texas some credit for only giving up
fourteen in the road to that team.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
He played better in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
But like, I mean, it was Julian Saying's first start
too for Hio State.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
And he missed. Yeah, that's what they were saying.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
It's the wide open Jeremiah Smith for a touchdown. So
I think this is the worst these two quarterbacks are
going to play this year. Alabama got their shit kicked
in by.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
I mean, I think in general, it's just a good
precursor on week football.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Week one football is just bad, Like it's just sloppy. No,
actually was.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
There were great matchups and I'm glad it happened because
the big ten in the SEC going against each other.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
CC What I'm just saying, if this game could have
been later in the season, if they play in the playoffs,
like it'll be a higher scoring bout.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
That's what I'm saying. Sure, but that's the point. You
can't have a rematch without the first game.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
So you know why he got clopped by Arizona forty
to seven.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
But also Bama got the shit kicked out of them
by Florida State. Castelanos, the quarterback. He called it all
five eight of them. He scored the first touchdown of
the game. They won thirty one to seventeen. Beat the
hell out of Alabama. I think they think they dropped
the spot or something. I don't know, but yeah, it's

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not looking then everyone was saying, no, great, Boar, it's
not looking great for him.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Like Alabama actually like looks bad.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
It wasn't like losses in the past where it's like
they've got clipped and you know, little little moments here,
little moments there, you know, special teams or you know,
Johnnian's up just going up now. Like they were like, nah,
Alabama actually like looked like a not good football.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Team and Calen le Boar is like an eighty five
million dollar buyout.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
So the luck with that. That's why they were like, uh,
do you feel bad?

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Because they were asking DeMarco on the air because he
went to UDB and like, do you feel bad for him?

Speaker 1 (42:23):
He's like, I mean, that's my guy.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
I do, but also eighty five million dollar buyouts, so
it's kind of hard to feel bad exactly. But then
he what he was saying was he did feel bad
about what was UCLA Like, he's like, hey, he's like,
they just don't care anymore. And then he's like, what
do you mean anymore? He's like, they haven't cared in
twenty years. Like, yeah, they find enough guys here and

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there every fifth or sixth year, they find enough guys to.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
You know, win eight games and you know.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Being the conversation, but outside of that, they're not interested
in winning football every single year. And he was like, man,
that just hurts my heart. Like I come from a
UCLA family, Like my older brother went there, Like my
uncle didn't talk to me, didn't talk to me for
ten years because I went to U double over U
c l A.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Like that literally talking to me. Your uncle's kind of
a bitch if you do that. So that's what he's saying.
Anybody who does that, you're kind of a He's like.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
You know, like I have a I have a fucking
like full ass Ucla family like bruined family. Like, so
it's just crazy to me that they would just get
clapped up, like yeah, lose to Utah. Sure they're good
to have a tough team, but get smacked like that.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I mean it was twenty to zero for a minute.
I'm not surprised though, because it's Utah.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah that's what he's saying, Like, yeah, Utah's Utah is good.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
But quarterbacks nice too, getting smacked New Mexico quarterbacks nice
as fuck.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
And then his point was like, dude, like and then
for these teams to not be playing, not to be
afraid of the Big Ten, it's like, dude on them
in the fucking rose ball for how long like, and
then the other guy was like, yeah, but they're not
spending like the Big ten.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
It's not even that, so you just gotta win on
the field, and Nico played like, shit, that simple crazy
because you won a national championship in the video game
in real life exactly what I told you was below
average receivers. It's what it is. But yeah, so they lost.

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Clemson got beat by LSU, and Dabo was talking cast
shit and Brian Kelly clap back at him, and the
crazy thing is Clemson never scored with that safety that
they snitched on for getting suspended and he couldn't play
the first half. They never scored when he was on

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the field, so that makes it even better that they
did that. Popped all that shit. Also, George, South Carolina
beat Virginia Tech. That was a good one, obviously.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
The main one.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Boise State got their doors blown off by South Florida
thirty four to seven.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
They just got beaten. Every said it was bad. The
coach was pissed, but.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
A little, a little because I know Pete wants to
say something about Boise State. I just want to point
out that TCU beat the living dog shit out of
North Carolina on Monday Night, forty eight to fourteen. Belichick
got out classed and out coached because Andy Avolo's defense
was beating the dog shit like Gino Lopez. Geo Lopez,

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the original starting quarterback for for North Carolina, didn't complete
a pass for like one hundred and twenty two minutes
or some shit.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Just remember when I told you that defense jumped up
from like one ten to fucking fifty last year, So
this year I told you I was expecting another another
big jump.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
They had a pick six and then a fumble recovery
sack fumble, and he did.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
He had the same kind of projection at work in too,
where he took him from like eighty to like forty
and then forty to like eighteen or some shit like that.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah, he dominated. He called a great defensive game. And
then they ran the ball down their throat. They had
like seventy five yard touchdown run like TCU just dominated
what Carolina and every facet So Big twelve versus ACC.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
We know who wins Big twelve.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Now onto the game I was at, USC opened up
their home opener, season opener.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Against u Zeri State.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, they beat the living shit out of them, seventy
three to thirteen. It was Missouri State's first game going
D one injuries, Uh no real injuries. All the backups
were scoring touchdowns. The backup DN got a pick and
then ran ran in the wrong direction, like the whole

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stadium was like where are you going? And he ran
right into the quarterback. He could have had like a
sixty yard pick six and said it was like a
thirty seven yard interception return. But they had about like
five sacks.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
A pick six.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
The defense I think only gave up like might have
been like sixty rushing yards if that at one point
they only had like twenty rushing yards for most of
the game, but you had almost six hundred yards offense.
They haven't scored seven three points in the game since
like in like ninety years, like dude, they haven't scored

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seventy three in the modern era in a very long time.
And they had like six rushing touchdowns. Wayman Jordan the
Juko transfer, he scored. Red shirt freshman King Miller had
a seventy five yard touchdown run transfer Eli Sanders had

(48:31):
a seventy three yard screen for a touchdown Mkyle Livin
like six catches ninety yards. Jacobe Lane had the most devastating,
soul crushing, annihilating, decleating, like he hit this man and
like it's you gotta go back and watch it on

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that seventy three yard screen had Eli Sanders scored on.
It was the most deva stating block of the college
football season. Jacobe lay out here just sending people to
the hospital.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
It was. It was a decleader of a block.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
They had over two hundred yards rushing, over three hundred
yards passing, and now I'm gonna play. They played Georgia
Southern this week. I'll be at that game too. This
is pretty much just tune up games. It was like
they're supposed to dog walk the Southern, but not by

(49:34):
that much. Maybe you can get over here talk about
and that's how it's kind of been like since Lincoln's
got there. The first two games of the year usually cupcakes. No,

(49:56):
I'm not blaming the rally. I'm just saying, like there
tune up games. This is the best they've looked. No,
they've never played a D two team, and technically they're
not a D two team because Missouri State.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
This is their first season playing D one football.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
And they had a good touchdown early in the game,
like they were trying to be competitive, but it just
it just wasn't it. The defense, honestly, is the best
their defensive line has looked since Lincoln has got there.
The guys he recruited, you know, Cameron Fonte, Brandon Shelby,
all those guys had sacks and made big plays. It's

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almost like you didn't even really hear Eric Gentry and
Kamari Ramsey's name. Bishop Fitzgerald had a pick six. Everybody
else you know was really on it. They were really
it was truly a team win. They had to walk
on catch a touchdown, so that it was crazy. Hus

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Saint long Street, the freshman five star QB out of
Inglewood and went to Corona. He had two rushing touchdowns.
That's how you know how bad they were getting beat up.
And they honestly would have scored eighty If they can
get called on a holding penalty and kicked the field goal,
they would have scored eighty points. I'm prettreciate that would
have been a record. Uh or now I want to

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play my post game interviews. Lincoln, how specials is running Lincoln?

(52:09):
How specials is running back group? Especially since every year
you've managed to find guys.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
I mean, I like the start, I like the mix
of talent. I think it's I think it's the most
talented maybe will around the group that we've had.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
And we're gonna need them all. I mean, there's no question.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
We're gonna need all those guys, and they're gonna need
them in different ways. They all can contribute, and we
need them to contribute.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
To this team like they did tonight. Manco and how
special Lincoln?

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Since you've been here, do you feel like this team,
especially for your openers. Have they been the most disciplined
just from top to bottom of penalties and just doing
the right things.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, okay, this is that the past.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
I mean, the discipline is really important to this team.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
It's really important us as a staff.

Speaker 5 (52:59):
We've changed in some of the ways that we are
teaching at and holding all of our all of us
accountable coaches, staff, players, everyone. And when you do that,
those habits show up on the field. So y, I
thought we were. I thought we were pretty disciplined tonight.
But that's it's just it's important to this team right now.
It's just really really important to us, and so hopefully

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we keep doing it.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Mancoln, since you've been here.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Oh yeah, what was what.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Was the feeling? You know before the snap? What not?
Seventy three yard run?

Speaker 6 (53:32):
You know, I just I got to give it all
to the whole line. You know, I had two pullers
out in front of me. They made away for me,
and I opened increase and I just turned on aceler.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Got the knees up.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
So, like, you know, how much of that track background
kind of tapped into that?

Speaker 6 (53:47):
Definitely, you know, running track throughout high school. Definitely helped
me out a lot on that run, I feel like
with my form and just you know, accelerating through just
to go to the distance.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
You got the knees. There's a lot of legs where
that number one. So what does it mean for you
not only to wear but you know.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
We muld go over almost one hundred totally yards your
first debut here, you know.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
Just to just represent this number, representive school, represent my
last name is just definitely huge for me.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Since you toy yar heo, was that like the fast
that you've ever ran?

Speaker 1 (54:20):
I think it's the fastest before too. Yeah, I haven't
touched that the wis since you Toy.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
How good is the feel knowing you guys rushed for
over two hundred yards, you know, especially as the whole
line in the tight end room.

Speaker 7 (54:33):
Yeah, it's awesome. I mean it means that you know,
we were all on the same page and there'll be
some stuff too. Pretty cool number to have, you know
after a week one, but.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Sure, you know, just how good is the feel?

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Obviously you have senior leadership, you know, we got like
Eric Gentry, you got Kamario on the back end. Those
guys are known for always making plays. But the young
guys really stepped up today. How do you how do
you feel like, you know, what does that do for
just the young guys all across the defense and.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
It helps everybody. It helps the younger guy and get
a feel for the game that it makes them like
really liking them. What they gotta do. You in college,
you can't just can't expeak to get out there and
think it's highsch Now it's not. It's it's a way
faster game than what they think. I'm just glad they
got in and got to test the experience.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
That were you guys kind of like because obviously when
he got that pick, he kind of pretty much ran
right until the quarterback he almost scored, like I got
thirty seven yards return.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
So were you guys giving it to him on the
side of like, hey, you went the wrong way? And
I was just talking to him about that.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
I said, oh what is think you?

Speaker 1 (55:46):
I said, you gotta do better than time.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
I'm from a juco and I obvious see everybody's goal
was like to get out get to that next level.
So how did it feel, you know, just the first
carricter betweenst Like, how did it feel finally being in
that moment.

Speaker 8 (56:04):
I mean honestly, like after after the first snap, like
it was just it just felt like we was playing
football again, like just just regular football. I mean, he
was around these guys every day like and pushed me,
like I knew the moment wasn't gonna be too big
for me. So honestly, it felt good though coming out.
I don't want to cry a little bit for being
here for the first time. I mean, honestly, you dreamed

(56:24):
of playing somewhere like here, like as a kid, so
like actually being able to play here, like it was
just amazing.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
It was a blessing.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
What point did you know, Like Eli and King were
gone on their initial.

Speaker 8 (56:38):
Runs, huh the second Eli got the bar, already knew
he was going when King, when King burst through the whole, I.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Knew he was going to. He was going to.

Speaker 8 (56:49):
I mean, it was the plan what from the beginning,
was for the whole group to put on display a show.
So that's what we did tonight. And we can't get
complacent now with tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
We just gotta go back to work.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
How special was it seeing the old line, especially killing
walk on Earns the job old line pretty much comes
out dominating from the stretch.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
You guys go for two hundred yards?

Speaker 8 (57:10):
Oh, I think the old line is. I mean, I
love those guys like they put.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
In the work.

Speaker 8 (57:16):
I've seen them put in every every sweat like they
did all summer. So it was just a blessing to
be out there with them and enjoy every moment with them.
I knew what they were coming to do, like they've
been locked in all off season and this week, so
I was ready to see them play again next week.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
How special guys gonna hit up EA and tell them
the up your scores and ratings?

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Baby man? All right? Oh that so.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
For the Pearls game pressure he gets really fucking hot
in it, like annoyingly hot. You'll have somebody who's been
taking video all fucking game, and we're just all in there,
just clogged up on each other, chairs off to the

(58:18):
side and shit, so you can almost always hear somebody's
mouth breathing. It's the funniest shit ever. And then somebody
else will be like playing some shit and I'm like,
why is my audio sound all chopped up? And then
I realized they got some They gotta switch on their
fucking camera. I don't know, it's annoying, but yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Can't really do much better than seventy points.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
But I would say this defense, this team from top
to bottom is fully disciplined. Like the starters. The backups
are playing harder than the starters. At the end of
the game, like they barely gave up the thirteen points.
If we've been real like, it could have got bad.
They could have got to eighty seven. Honestly, if it

(59:04):
wasn't for a drop pick and some holding calls, that
like that would have got bad. But Georgia Southern is
supposed to be a little bit better, so we shall see.
Clay Helton will be coming back to the to the Coliseum.
Accidentally tweeted the wrong shoot out, but whatever, We're it.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Y'all know what I meant.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
So I was tweeting out about Judge Southern. I was like,
oh shit, I was tweeting about Missouri State and I
mentioned Georgia Southern. But I'm like, wait, Georgia Southern plays
next week. So in the tweet, it's like, wait, what
are you talking about? But yeah, anyway, people, no, no,
it is claric. But yeah, so Clay Helen comes back

(59:51):
to the Coliseum this week to play against his former team.
He's the last Rose Bowl winning head coach at USC.
He's he is technically, if we're basing it off big
game wins, is the last successful head coach at SC.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I mean he was right before Lincoln.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
It's not saying a lot, which is why, like you're saying,
Lincoln is not successful. So you should just say that
you're bearing the lead. Know what I'm saying, you're literally
bearing the lead.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
I'm getting to another saying you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
My last girlfriend was better than my current girlfriend, when
you really should just say my current girlfriend sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
No, because that's literally I'm not saying he sucks. What
I'm saying is he's just not as good as your life.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Technically, if we're comparing apples to apples, he.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Wont to rolling she fuck me better? I mean, I get,
I don't know you wouldn't use that analogy. I'm just
saying the last X did some crazy ship with her
tongue that made my eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Browling back in the head. YEP, this one has the
potential to do that. Like I said it, Like I
said that, you're the one who used the girlfriend fucking analogy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Why would you use a friend analogy whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
I didn't even say it to be like messy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I just said it like I came, I completed, I completed, came,
I completed the thought that well, I mean, yeah, that's
kind of messy. I'm just saying, like people are going
to be kicking in Clay Hilton's back and I don't
think Lincoln Roddy is going to try to run up
the score, but it could get bad very quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
That pass rush is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Tenacious, they have depth, and those young guys know they roll.
Linebackers pretty much didn't give up anything crazy. DB's definitely
didn't give up any big plays other than like a
twenty six yard run. USC's defense didn't give up ship
and honestly, this is probably the most defense, most like

(01:01:56):
intense and like function on terms just doing their job
that they've been since I've been covering the team, so
four years, like this is this looks like the most
complete USC team defensively since I since.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
I've been there. And yeah, Georgia or.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
It's funny, a lot of these young quarterbacks didn't play
too great. I mean, yeah, your team blew out somebody,
but like, I think we're gonna find out in Week
two in the next coming week to like Michigan be
New Mexico.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
New Mexico put up a pretty good fight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Their quarterback Bright Underwood look pretty good?

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Are you okay, bro? Yeah, I'm just ready to move on.
I mean, I am too. That's why I was like
waiting for you to hit the button, all right? Oh
or not? Oh? The sound is ugh. You're telling me

(01:03:21):
the sound was off that entire time. No, just start
telling for that, okay. I was about to say, I
want to sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Man, all right, man, take your tadget Michael Parsons racooning
Mike Miles.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Gary, that's so scary you can actually, No, that's dumb
because you have for Shawn Garret.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
You don't even need mails Garrett. That's crazy. Shawn garritts
light inside or he's a d M running on four
or five. He's just Garrick's side inside too, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
That's why it's like frightening, Like hey, michaeh, shut up,
but you might. It's like stop sucking around the players.
He has a problem between C four and C five
or whatever is L four.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
It is L five. He was to he was putting
the Cowboys defense on his back.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
All right, someone asked Aiden Hutchinson about his uh leg,
I guess it's bionic.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
He got a player in there or something.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
And he said, and I quote, I hope that's the
last bionic piece that goes inside of me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Dot dot pause, take your tangent.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Michigan, dude, Michigan man, are weird? Are weird people? They're intelligent,
but boy are they fucking they're wild? Man, tell you
that much.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
He's never lacking personality. I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Uh yeah, I think that's uh. I don't know you
got anything because yeah, my phone is stuck in uh
two years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Yeah, it's still says you're in Vegas. That's weird. So
uh shop, I just had it. Oh so Colorado, we're

(01:05:35):
taking just taking tangent right, yes, cool, I want to
suck this up all right. So Janna Sharp started kicking
in Colorado's back. Actually they lost just shin in Sharp kicking.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
In anybody's back right now.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
No, because I think the whole the whole controversy that
he made was like, hey, uh, you guys fired me,
like the week my brother is going into the Hall fame,
like granted, distractions kind of fucked up. But then you're
over here kicking people's back, and like, I don't know, Shannon,

(01:06:26):
and I think maybe you should just lay low for
a little bit, like left the heat cool off a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
That's all I'm saying. WoT though, And I'm gonna save
that one for fair fame. Yeah, I just it's just weird.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
Man, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
You got Marshalla Swiley and other people saying, like, man,
Shannon Sharp, that's not even who he is, smoking yak
and doing all this other stuff. And U and the
audio with the girl, which because I don't believe that
like he was actually fucking the chick. I think that
was some manufacturing bullshit. That that whole situation is weird.
And it's just like I'm tiny of seeing some of

(01:07:13):
these athletes just just fumble back generational bags.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
But at the same token, like the white boys do worse.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
And they get handed shows and you know, time slots
on Fox.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
David Portnoy, speaking of Gilbert Arenas, is pivoting his podcast
to focus on the NFL. He's partnering with Kid Bayless.
Take her tangent, you didn't even fucking win in your sport.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
I never listened to Gilbert Arena Gilberinis. Can't tell me
shit about football. Tell me about hoop Dog, your son
not even playing this year. Talk to me about basketball.
Talk to me about how Cali hoopers are the greatest
hoopers on the planet. I don't like and and the

(01:08:06):
fact that he's letting the skip do it. It's like,
that's nasty word. I agree with that. I gotta have
a white man in the room. I gotta say, you
just gotta have a white man in the real police
shoe niggas, Why don't you just wear a fucking dog collar.
You're at it, you know, because he's got that dumb
ass for Sean mcants on the pottery, he's gonna say
something fucking stupid, Sean, Yes, we're that fucking crown.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Bro was a bum in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
It's rare that the dude was really a bum in
the NBA, but that dude was a fucking bum in
the NBA.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Was like twelve points one year, but that dude was
a fucking bum in the n B. A I wouldn't
say he was a fucking ty loss and said he
was a fucking bum bro. And ty Lawson was literally
was from the rackets.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
He had d wise and he came back and still
played and fucking Rashad McCant man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Bro. Loss is still getting paid.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
He literally smoked, he did drugs, got fat.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Phone battery, Bro. So let's let's keep it moving. That
shit is crazy, Bro. I just want to say battery
charger right here. I just want to say a shout
out to Uh. Didn't he go to Cleveland too? No,
he went to fuck Nick Young went to Cleveland. He went,
he went to no matter where the fuck was somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
I forgot, But I was gonna say we didn't forget
how you came up either, Gilbert. We didn't forget about
that complex sports show with the porn star.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
We didn't forget shout out to Dames for no reason.
And also, I just don't hear you talk football. I
don't want to hear basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Players talk football. By nature, you're pussy because you chose basketball.
Didn't put your hand in the dirt for nothing, unless
you're like doing weird shit with ig models.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
All right, since we were last year.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
NFL cut Day, kidmen wents, So just to make this
kind of a speed round, I'm just gonna give you
some some guys who got cut over the last couple
of weeks outside of Isaiah saying, you just kind of
tell me if it's a touchdown and turnover, so yeah,
let's start there. The Packers said goodbye to your boy,
Isaiah Simmons.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Touchdown and turnover.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
I mean, honestly, it's a touchdown because apparently he had
good tape there. But there's just sometimes you can have
good tape and there's just no way they're gonna play you,
so they're not gonna pay you, so they well just
cut you. Hopefully he goes somewhere, but he just want
the Chiefs and having a career. I'm gonna be really
upset the Seahawks up on the Eagles. I'm gonna fucking swear.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Seahawks cuts Sekille Griffin again, take her touchdown and turnover.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Shocking.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
I mean, a good nickel corner is hard to come by.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
The Raiders cut Thyrd Munford and added tackle Stone Foresight,
formerly of the Seahawks. Take a touchdown and turnover. That's
kind of wild. I thought they were gonna at least
trade Monfrut.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
I feel like they could have got assumed for him.
They could have you know, you can play multiple positions.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
He tackles don't really work on the Chiefs, kind of
like being a Ravens or Titans receiver or being.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
A defensive end for the Raiders. Going somewhere else. Yeah,
shout out to uh, the Patriots. I think they got
so they got like two other guys. Yeah, ke On
White might not even start.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Chris Paul Junior went from the Way to the Seahawks
after having a great camp with the Rams.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
You only check that name up because his name is
Chris Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
And also because he went from the Rams and everyone
was talking about Everyone was talking about him in.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Rams cabin, the Seahawks out of him. Cool story, Bro, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
More excited about Tommy Malott going to the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Okay, but Rams undrafted unbackers have a lineage.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
IM just saying, oh, Chris Paul, the old miss linebacker. Yeah,
I'm not worried, like I said that one up. Oh
that guy. Oh yeah, I'm still not worried. All right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
The forty nine ers added us Sincere McCormick and Marquez
Valdez Scanting who was cut from the Niners and McCormick
was cut from the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
I mean the mas and Scanley's just gonna be out
there running streaks, crazy scanning. Keeps getting work.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
And I'm happy for McCormick because he had some moments
last year.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
He got injured.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
They got a bunch of backs, so it was hard
for the Raiders to keep him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
But I hope he keeps playing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
So he goes to a team that has a bunch
of backs, they're gonna be hard to keep them.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
They're a hard But yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
It's like what Seattle huts stepping fucking running backs one season?

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Why are y'all all here?

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Uh? The Chargers cut Tony Jefferson again. He was looking
the four time he's been cut.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
He'll be back. Shut up ship from La. He'll be back.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
He's getting older than the too, though, but he's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
From LA and he went to Oklahoma. Shout out to
Nikki uh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Kendrick Bourne got released by the Pats after they couldn't
trade him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Touched down trail over.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
I can go wherever he wants. He can have a
new identity, can he do anything. He can be born
again that one half a season. You're not gonna just
fucking overlook my three jokes in one right now?

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Born identity Kendrick joke, I know you, Okay, then motherfucker
laught moving on and moving on.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
And then I guess outside that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Did we talk about him, Harry Cooper getting traded to
the Raiders, Marian Cooper didn't get traded to the Raiders.
She got I signed to the Raiders. Did we talk
about that? We did?

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
All right, for sure we did. We talked about it
on air and not just in the room.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Folk predicted wow, just wow, okay to find high as fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
There you go. There you go. Now you got the
PR gene working. You mean high? There you go. Now
he's could.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Get I've diabetic, I think too much intolin. Technically I'm
medically high.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Anyways, Yeah, so we talked about it though, for sure
on the air.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Yes, because you admitted Kenny called it nine and a
half months ago that Mark Cooper was.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Gonna be Yeah, but I think that was amongst us.
I don't think that was on air.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Well ship, we just said it. Now, shout out to
PR see what I did that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
But yeah, Mariy Cooper's back.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
As the Raiders get on him, he's gonna be wearing
them in nineteen because Bower's got his eighty nine, but.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Yeah, my man's worn so many numbers. He gives them
a fucking Atlanta Hawks two thousands Foo Boo collection.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
He gives them both a guy who can play inside
and outside. He gives them an insurance policy if they
trade Myers. He gives them someone wants to be traded.
He gives them someone who can teach Beck and Thornton
how to be pros and how to run crisp clean
routes because they both meet up with it, because.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
They're definitely gonna be doing all the blocking. So yeah,
uh fair feed ray Lewis versus Shannon Sharp, Red Roof,
white Wall ray.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Lewis and the and the fucking old and some old
testament motivation.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
That's where I'm putting my money. And in the words
of the game, red Roof, white Walls right white.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
He had one of the greatest LA freestyles of all time, you, mister,
mister gamestand don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
I know what the song is, but I don't know
what the reference is. I don't know what what it's
Tailand's two together, white.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Suit, red blood Atlanta super Bowl ray Lewis, did you
not get the double nada the connection? Okay, I'm just
saying talk about bloody shoes. Yes, that was a Cardi
B reference. She's passed out at a trial, by the way.
So yeah, the fact that he said, you know, he's

(01:16:36):
he's doing some worldly stuff that I just can't co sign.
And he's no longer friends with Shannon Shark. Shannon Sharp's like, oh,
when you're down and people show their true colors and
leave you, and it's funny like they're best friends, and
I'm just like, I don't really think they were ever friends.
Ray Lewis and know a lot. He lost his son

(01:17:02):
and his other song, he locked up, one of his
sons killed himself, a sun that legal trouble like it wasn't.
He's been through some stuff and he's been quiet, and
I haven't heard anything ray Lewis in a minute other
than when he was talking about Cat. But the fact

(01:17:25):
that he just said, yeah, I had to get away
from Shannon. I don't really support his get down no more.
And it just goes to show you because I saw
a little clip with Brandon Marshall going at Lawrence Taylor,
and let me just say this, Aaron Donald is a
thousand times better than Lawrence Taylor. Fuck out of here.

(01:17:47):
You've never seen a d tackle with that kind of
skill set. Who was a fucking All American DN. And
you know what, Aaron Donald ain't getting caught with underage
girls all the fucking time either. So there that kind
of ends the debate. Yeah, not taking LT Sorry, no,
thank you, In fact, never mind, let me just stop.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Yeah, So it looks like, uh, ray Lewis the third
it died in twenty twenty four. That's basically like drugs
in the system, three star running back. It was getting

(01:18:29):
recruited by the University of Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
He transferred onto like HBCU.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
I guess he uh, yeah, I guess I was in
twenty thirteen, but I guess he had.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
I guess he had. They studied his brain here on CTE.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Yeah, and one of his other sons got locked up,
so I mean fortunate.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Then there was ray Sean Lewis for Utah State. Yeah,
it's a son too. Yes, he's still alive. That whole
situation is just kind of sad.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
That's why he kind of moved away from like Channon
and other stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Like you lose a kid. He was with Kentucky in
twenty twenty one. Changes you. No, this is the younger one. Yeah.
And then there's Rashaan also went to No, he went
to Kentucky. One of them went to the U and

(01:19:43):
that was the first one I said left. Yeah, that
was the first one. They're all pretty much dB receivers
does he played Kentucky right now? Like he does. He's
Kentucky right now. That's good Class of twenty twenty six

(01:20:05):
receiver corner twenty twenty five. So win is a win.
I guess McCarthy's son went to the same high school
or something. They played against each other, Devin mccordey one
of them. Yeah, the Kentucky one is the one who

(01:20:30):
gotta do. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
And then there's Raylmless. His kids have different names of
ray he is twenty four or where you went to school?

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Anyways?

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Yeah, I just went into a whole wormhole and uh
ray Lewis's kids, Yeah you did?

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
All right? Anything else for fair fade? What the fuck
is aro sexual? Sorry? I just saw I was. I
didn't even know that was a thing. It's like dragoniss.
I feel like people just making up ship now, all right,
fair faid anything else? Fair fait North Carolina's offense. I'm kidding. Nah,

(01:21:36):
you could just pass and just get to your red.
You don't have to have pass makeup some of the
I'm just saying I was joking. I actually had one,
all right, so.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
I already know you don't have anything by the time
you get to all right show and then you click.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Your lips and finished. Why do you always do this?

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
You know, because when you go to your fucking five,
once you get through three of your five filler things,
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
You ain't got ship. It's crazy because like you really
keep cutting.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
Off all right, this is all this is. This is
one of the five by the way that you keep
cutting me off. Thing that that's that's one of the
five things.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
You keep putting me off, fair and fait. Everybody thought
Trump was dead and a lot of people were.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Hoping he was. I know that was crazy. I mean
I was thought I didn't have one.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
I know I was, but uh yeah, man, it was
just crazy that it takes so long for them to
say that he wasn't dead, and they just kind of
let people think what they wanted to think, which is
kind of gross, but that's kind of the times that
we live in, so it's not shocking.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Anything else. Did you have one? No, I'm ready to
go tired? All right? Cool? Anything you want to leave
with the people with.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Wash your face, wipe your ass, and have two different rags. Yes,
you need a different rag for your face and a
different rag for your balls.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
That's wold. But okay, unless you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Know wash your face first, you washed, you probably don't
go as Some people crazy, some people bro, it's that
STD's out here spawning. I don't know what people are doing.
Some people out here washing feet the face. I'm just saying,
if you're gonna do that, get a loofah, get a washcloth.
Like if nobody told you Kenny's black ass told you,

(01:23:40):
and if you actually repeat Kenny's black ass, I know
you're racist. Yeah, gotcha, bitch, not real though, Wash your face,
wipe ass, and you know, mind your business.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
So I just got back from Vegas a few days ago.
We went out there for a first travel game of
the year, and boy did we get fucking smacked.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Shout out to Vegas Strong. They were kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
Like a last minute ad that we made. The other
team we were supposed to play basically backed out, so
we ended up playing this team, the number one team in.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Nevada, and.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Our one one of our only poly kids on our team.
I was walking out to practice today and the mamagoes
TuS loss and count and I was like yeah, and
I was like yeah. She said they just had too
many ooses on their team. I was like, I just
laughed it. I was like, yeah, that's pretty much all

(01:24:41):
they had. But they're really physical and well coached. I mean,
the rest did us no favors. The eight am kickoff
times did us no favors. The dry heat had no
favors us. You know, missing our key running back and
linebacker did us no favors. Us Missing our best safety,
our decordinator because of COVID didn't help either.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Our quarterback was sick.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
But yeah, at the end of the day, we got
our ass kicked, and so it was a very tough
and humbling loss. But trying to work through it. Heading
this new league. We got nine games to get this
ship together. As my cousin said, our goals are still
in front of us. So that has basically been my

(01:25:28):
grounding quote. Yeah, that's it. Just trying to work through
it with these eight year olds and keep the ship moving. Anyways,
touchdowns and tangents, I'm pd Camrio.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Kenni's Berry and I actually had one this week, Pete,
so apology accepted.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Pets, underscore tagents on Twitter and Instagram, touchdowns and tangents
dot com. And that was also probably your best one
in a while.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
So you said that last week and the week before that,
Well that's good. That makes you doing something right. Keep working,
young fellow, Keep working, motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
I'm older than you and we're out peace and the
and the episode title is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Just to your seven. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Don't go nine inches to your seven at a at
a draft party.