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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Because aj Manna, one of the wrestlers in one of
the videos that has been unceremoniously fired now and can't
get a booking. Yeah, because he's being blamed for this
as well, and unjustly. You Like, I don't see any
(00:21):
blame he has in this.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
What what is he being blamed for? Exactly that you
that you object to? What do you mean.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
They're saying that he gassed up Rajah Jackson.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Didn't.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
He haven't much as not as much as the promoter did.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Oh yeah, but but he was still a part of it. Though. Wait,
who's the cowboy guy? AJ's the cowboy guy, right.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yes, he says, give him over a s Fuck that guy.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
All these all these people at this at this place,
this knocks pro wrestling. They They're like, I'm watching that
and I'm watching their behavior like leading up to this,
and I'm thinking, I wouldn't trust these people to run
a kiosk at the mall selling keychains, let alone a
wrestling promotion. Like these people are all fucking drunken, irresponsible
(01:14):
morons who because Ratisi's name is on the thing, they
get to be a part of wwei d All these
people are just fucking idiots.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I mean, what pro wrestler isn't gonna tell a guy
to get a receipt.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, he should have made it clear what he meant.
He doesn't use the word receipt correctly anyone. Like I've
never spent a single day in my life in the
wrestling business, but I know what receipt means. In this context,
A receipt is if you know you're in the ring
or something, somebody tags us, somebody potatoes a little too hard,
you gotta let him know. You hit him back. You
get a receipt, not violently assault somebody.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You can't. You're sitting there putting this at AJM in
his seat that he knew Russah Jackson was gonna go
out there and beat the Bejesus out of Psycho stew.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
But if he's having but but he shouldn't he have
had a conversation with Rajah Jackson, like, just so we're clear,
you're gonna get in there, you're gonna do here's here's
how you do a working Here's how you do a
working punch.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Maybe no, no, no, that isn't on him. As someone
who's worked backstage at a pro wrestling at an indie
show that is on the promoter aj Manna shouldn't have
said receipt, fine, right, Yeah, to put it all at
(02:36):
his feet.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Well, no, it was not all on him.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Can't you sit here and say he deserved to be
fired from his day job like he was.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yes, if he can't communicate something as simple as someone
who's not even a professional wrestler. If he can't, who's
going to be getting physically involved and he can't articulate
to this guy, Hey, here's what's going to happen. Here's
what you're gonna do, here's what you're not going to do.
Here's how we're gonna go through the whole thing. All
he says to him is, yeah, get in there and
(03:08):
give him his fucking receipt, and if anyone tries to interfere,
I'll get in there too. I'll fuck them up or whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
He said.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
That's what he's on video saying. No, aj man is
an irresponsible fuckhead and he does deserve to be fired.
He has no place in the wrestling business, mister fucking
cowboy idiot. No, he deserves Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I'm not saying wrestling business. Yeah, saying his typical forty
hour a week Joe, Yeah, get fired from.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Oh yeah, I don't. I don't want to see the guy,
although I can kind of understand like his boss might
be looking at this.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Going he's not the one in did the assault.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Are you gonna fire someone? Are you gonna fire someone
forgiving Billy Ray Jim Bob a firecracker and he holds
a firecracker in his hand and blows it off.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I know I agree with you in principle, but I
can also see how an employer might might look at
him and say, an employer might look at him and say,
this guy has really bad judgment. Do I really want
this person working for me because he's gonna.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
To be fair? Hey, Janana said, I said what I
said in character, which very well might have been in character,
because my understanding is the storyline was him and Psycho
Sue Stu had a feud going and all this other jazz.
So it makes sense that he sits here and he says, hey,
(04:34):
don't get your fucking receipt, take care of business.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Now, well, no, that's a very valid point. Now if
that's true, If what he's saying is true, and he
was saying that in character, and hopefully there was a
separate conversation without.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Should have been done with the promoter.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I agree with you there. I agree with you there.
So if if what aj man is saying is true,
then that does change things. I can see that.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yes, yeah, like my understanding. And if I'm wrong and
anyone's listening, you can say I'm wrong. I've said it before,
I'll say it again. Yeah, please do. My understanding is
Psycho Stu aj Manna, they have a feud, they're working
a feud, it's an angle. Whatever the fuck. The aj
Mana sees this as an opportunity. Holy shit, I can
(05:21):
get our feud over even more in this mud show
sideshows circus freak bullshit. And he decides, I, okay, I'm
gonna be on video and tell him to get his
fucking receipt and when he does, it's gonna get Psycho
stew Over is the face because I had this trained
(05:43):
professional fighter beat his ass, not knowing that Rajah Jackson
is on kick say now he's gonna beat the Bajesus
out of this guy.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And aj Mana is doing this, assuming that the promoter
has to.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Which the promoter is should have done.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
You you make a very good point.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Who Rajah Jackson is here? Yeah, Rajah Jackson is not
a worker, that is said in the video before the apology. Yeah,
this guy ain't a worker. Yeah, so why in the
hell are you gonna have him go in the ring?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Well yeah, yeah, oh yeah, no, every everything leading up,
but having a conversation. Yeah yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Mean, fuck Psycho Stew's probably like I'm having more than
likely I'm having this killer match. All the sudden, this
jack dick gets in the ring, slams them down and
beats the holy hell out of him.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I mean, like if I were in a in someone
ask me, well, why didn't aj Manna get in and
stop it? You're porn at that point. You ain't gonna
you don't want to break k fade. Well, but you
don't want to jump in there and save him.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But while you're watching a man being pummeled to death,
I mean potentially, amos.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
You can notice that there might be some hesitation on
your end, like, oh, was this something worked out with
Psychostu and Rajah and the promoter and the boys weren't
plued in? Are they trying to do a work? Shoot? Yeah,
that's that's the problem with everyone wanting to shoot is
(07:42):
the boys are now like, are they trying to work
a shoe?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Are they trying to get something over as a shoe? What?
I don't want to mess this up. I don't want
to miss a payday.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Right right, my? I mean my position. Ultimately, you know
you're and I understand your your your concussion argument, but
that aside, I will just say this, I think I
think I think everything was handled very poorly, even even
Psycho Stu with the beer cand of the head and everything.
I think everything that made no damn sense.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Why have they been doing that?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Because they was I think he was drunk. I mean,
to me, he looked intoxicated. So I think everybody, including
and I don't want to blame the victim, but I
think everybody, including Psycho Stu, just handled everything terribly leading
up to it. But ultimately, none of that, none of
that justifies what Raza Jackson did.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I'm not saying Rajah Jackson shouldn't have oh I stressed
on him in significant jail time. I'm saying I think
attempted murder is a stretch, because then you're going down
into that Pandora's box rabbit hole of mental stability that
can come up with concussions and all that asked. I
(09:01):
think what it is is felonious assault, and I think
he should have his state Athletic commission license revoked. Yes, nationwide. Yes,
I think he needs to serve jail time.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yes, I agree.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I think this promotion needs to be shut the fuck down.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Oh, I think it's already happening. Yeah, I think they're done.
How do they continue after this? I think they're done?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
But to sit here and try to escape, go aj Manna.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
You make no, you make a powerful argument. I'm not convinced,
but I'd like to see the video of I mean,
he should have had a separate conversation with him, just
to make sure he was cool, because I.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Mean, but then again, we're crossing that line of aj
Manna's responsibility versus the responsibility of a promoter.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
But what does aj Mana like has he addressed? What
is he addressed about this exactly?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Like?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Did he so he claims he was that video was
in character. Did he ever say anything about a separate
conversation or or that or that he knew that the
promoter had a separate conversation or anything.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Ajamiena conducts. This is from the Ring Report. A J.
Manna conducts a lengthy and profanity laced interview telling his
side of the story.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I saw a part of it, but I didn't see
the whole thing. Although although then again, I might have
Where is that from? Because that might not be the
same clip that I saw. I might have seen a
different clips.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Send you a short clip of the interview.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Oh okay, I'll think, send you.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I will send you the article I'm looking at right now.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
You may have, yeah, you may have. You may have
swayed me on aj Manna. I'm I'm open to I'm
open to that.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
You go, you have, you have it now I'm scrolling.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Through, by the way, regarding about you know, what he
should be charged with. You know, it's quite possible, because
this happens all the time. It's quite possible they do
charge him with attempted murder and then it gets pleted
down or they go for a lesser charge jury, you know,
gives him. It's different in every state. I don't know
(11:12):
how it works in California. Well, I don't know how
it works in any of the states, actually, because I've
never been any kind of you know, I've never pummeled
a man half to death. But I've never been in
that situation, but so I know in every state it
works a little bit differently. But it may start out.
He may initially be charged with attempted murder, and then
it gets pleted down a deal has made something, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, I mean, look, and here's the thing is the
video is over an hour long. Yeah, aj Nanna's in
it for eight minutes. Yeah, he had the least His
point is, I had the least amount of involvement in
this shit show.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
However, he's lost his prime job, he's lost all of
his bookings.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, and yeah, he doesn't do himself any favors with
by the way I looked at I saw that is
the video that I saw, But I think I just
didn't watch the whole thing. I'll have to go back
and give that another look. He doesn't do himself any
favors with that. He should. He should really just not
say anything, let this play out.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
No, because that's what the promotion told him to do.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
No, no, no, I'm sorry, what just to clarify, I
just mean he shouldn't say anything publicly, but he should.
I'm glad you brought that up. Because the promotion told them,
you know, don't talk to law enforcement without talking to
us first, and that's not good.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
That's obstruction adjustice, that's
Because aj Manna, one of the wrestlers in one of
the videos that has been unceremoniously fired now and can't
get a booking. Yeah, because he's being blamed for this
as well, and unjustly. You Like, I don't see any
(00:21):
blame he has in this.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
What what is he being blamed for? Exactly that you
that you object to? What do you mean.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
They're saying that he gassed up Rajah Jackson.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Didn't.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
He haven't much as not as much as the promoter did.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Oh yeah, but but he was still a part of it. Though. Wait,
who's the cowboy guy? AJ's the cowboy guy, right.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yes, he says, give him over a s Fuck that guy.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
All these all these people at this at this place,
this knocks pro wrestling. They They're like, I'm watching that
and I'm watching their behavior like leading up to this,
and I'm thinking, I wouldn't trust these people to run
a kiosk at the mall selling keychains, let alone a
wrestling promotion. Like these people are all fucking drunken, irresponsible
(01:14):
morons who because Ratisi's name is on the thing, they
get to be a part of wwei d All these
people are just fucking idiots.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I mean, what pro wrestler isn't gonna tell a guy
to get a receipt.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, he should have made it clear what he meant.
He doesn't use the word receipt correctly anyone. Like I've
never spent a single day in my life in the
wrestling business, but I know what receipt means. In this context,
A receipt is if you know you're in the ring
or something, somebody tags us, somebody potatoes a little too hard,
you gotta let him know. You hit him back. You
get a receipt, not violently assault somebody.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You can't. You're sitting there putting this at AJM in
his seat that he knew Russah Jackson was gonna go
out there and beat the Bejesus out of Psycho stew.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
But if he's having but but he shouldn't he have
had a conversation with Rajah Jackson, like, just so we're clear,
you're gonna get in there, you're gonna do here's here's
how you do a working Here's how you do a
working punch.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Maybe no, no, no, that isn't on him. As someone
who's worked backstage at a pro wrestling at an indie
show that is on the promoter aj Manna shouldn't have
said receipt, fine, right, Yeah, to put it all at
(02:36):
his feet.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Well, no, it was not all on him.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Can't you sit here and say he deserved to be
fired from his day job like he was.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yes, if he can't communicate something as simple as someone
who's not even a professional wrestler. If he can't, who's
going to be getting physically involved and he can't articulate
to this guy, Hey, here's what's going to happen. Here's
what you're gonna do, here's what you're not going to do.
Here's how we're gonna go through the whole thing. All
he says to him is, yeah, get in there and
(03:08):
give him his fucking receipt, and if anyone tries to interfere,
I'll get in there too. I'll fuck them up or whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
He said.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
That's what he's on video saying. No, aj man is
an irresponsible fuckhead and he does deserve to be fired.
He has no place in the wrestling business, mister fucking
cowboy idiot. No, he deserves Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I'm not saying wrestling business. Yeah, saying his typical forty
hour a week Joe, Yeah, get fired from.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Oh yeah, I don't. I don't want to see the guy,
although I can kind of understand like his boss might
be looking at this.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Going he's not the one in did the assault.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Are you gonna fire someone? Are you gonna fire someone
forgiving Billy Ray Jim Bob a firecracker and he holds
a firecracker in his hand and blows it off.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I know I agree with you in principle, but I
can also see how an employer might might look at
him and say, an employer might look at him and say,
this guy has really bad judgment. Do I really want
this person working for me because he's gonna.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
To be fair? Hey, Janana said, I said what I
said in character, which very well might have been in character,
because my understanding is the storyline was him and Psycho
Sue Stu had a feud going and all this other jazz.
So it makes sense that he sits here and he says, hey,
(04:34):
don't get your fucking receipt, take care of business.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Now, well, no, that's a very valid point. Now if
that's true, If what he's saying is true, and he
was saying that in character, and hopefully there was a
separate conversation without.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Should have been done with the promoter.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I agree with you there. I agree with you there.
So if if what aj man is saying is true,
then that does change things. I can see that.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yes, yeah, like my understanding. And if I'm wrong and
anyone's listening, you can say I'm wrong. I've said it before,
I'll say it again. Yeah, please do. My understanding is
Psycho Stu aj Manna, they have a feud, they're working
a feud, it's an angle. Whatever the fuck. The aj
Mana sees this as an opportunity. Holy shit, I can
(05:21):
get our feud over even more in this mud show
sideshows circus freak bullshit. And he decides, I, okay, I'm
gonna be on video and tell him to get his
fucking receipt and when he does, it's gonna get Psycho
stew Over is the face because I had this trained
(05:43):
professional fighter beat his ass, not knowing that Rajah Jackson
is on kick say now he's gonna beat the Bajesus
out of this guy.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And aj Mana is doing this, assuming that the promoter
has to.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Which the promoter is should have done.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
You you make a very good point.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Who Rajah Jackson is here? Yeah, Rajah Jackson is not
a worker, that is said in the video before the apology. Yeah,
this guy ain't a worker. Yeah, so why in the
hell are you gonna have him go in the ring?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Well yeah, yeah, oh yeah, no, every everything leading up,
but having a conversation. Yeah yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Mean, fuck Psycho Stew's probably like I'm having more than
likely I'm having this killer match. All the sudden, this
jack dick gets in the ring, slams them down and
beats the holy hell out of him.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I mean, like if I were in a in someone
ask me, well, why didn't aj Manna get in and
stop it? You're porn at that point. You ain't gonna
you don't want to break k fade. Well, but you
don't want to jump in there and save him.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But while you're watching a man being pummeled to death,
I mean potentially, amos.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
You can notice that there might be some hesitation on
your end, like, oh, was this something worked out with
Psychostu and Rajah and the promoter and the boys weren't
plued in? Are they trying to do a work? Shoot? Yeah,
that's that's the problem with everyone wanting to shoot is
(07:42):
the boys are now like, are they trying to work
a shoe?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Are they trying to get something over as a shoe? What?
I don't want to mess this up. I don't want
to miss a payday.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Right right, my? I mean my position. Ultimately, you know
you're and I understand your your your concussion argument, but
that aside, I will just say this, I think I
think I think everything was handled very poorly, even even
Psycho Stu with the beer cand of the head and everything.
I think everything that made no damn sense.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Why have they been doing that?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Because they was I think he was drunk. I mean,
to me, he looked intoxicated. So I think everybody, including
and I don't want to blame the victim, but I
think everybody, including Psycho Stu, just handled everything terribly leading
up to it. But ultimately, none of that, none of
that justifies what Raza Jackson did.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I'm not saying Rajah Jackson shouldn't have oh I stressed
on him in significant jail time. I'm saying I think
attempted murder is a stretch, because then you're going down
into that Pandora's box rabbit hole of mental stability that
can come up with concussions and all that asked. I
(09:01):
think what it is is felonious assault, and I think
he should have his state Athletic commission license revoked. Yes, nationwide. Yes,
I think he needs to serve jail time.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yes, I agree.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I think this promotion needs to be shut the fuck down.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Oh, I think it's already happening. Yeah, I think they're done.
How do they continue after this? I think they're done?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
But to sit here and try to escape, go aj Manna.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
You make no, you make a powerful argument. I'm not convinced,
but I'd like to see the video of I mean,
he should have had a separate conversation with him, just
to make sure he was cool, because I.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Mean, but then again, we're crossing that line of aj
Manna's responsibility versus the responsibility of a promoter.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
But what does aj Mana like has he addressed? What
is he addressed about this exactly?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Like?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Did he so he claims he was that video was
in character. Did he ever say anything about a separate
conversation or or that or that he knew that the
promoter had a separate conversation or anything.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Ajamiena conducts. This is from the Ring Report. A J.
Manna conducts a lengthy and profanity laced interview telling his
side of the story.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I saw a part of it, but I didn't see
the whole thing. Although although then again, I might have
Where is that from? Because that might not be the
same clip that I saw. I might have seen a
different clips.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Send you a short clip of the interview.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Oh okay, I'll think, send you.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I will send you the article I'm looking at right now.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
You may have, yeah, you may have. You may have
swayed me on aj Manna. I'm I'm open to I'm
open to that.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
You go, you have, you have it now I'm scrolling.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Through, by the way, regarding about you know, what he
should be charged with. You know, it's quite possible, because
this happens all the time. It's quite possible they do
charge him with attempted murder and then it gets pleted
down or they go for a lesser charge jury, you know,
gives him. It's different in every state. I don't know
(11:12):
how it works in California. Well, I don't know how
it works in any of the states, actually, because I've
never been any kind of you know, I've never pummeled
a man half to death. But I've never been in
that situation, but so I know in every state it
works a little bit differently. But it may start out.
He may initially be charged with attempted murder, and then
it gets pleted down a deal has made something, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, I mean, look, and here's the thing is the
video is over an hour long. Yeah, aj Nanna's in
it for eight minutes. Yeah, he had the least His
point is, I had the least amount of involvement in
this shit show.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
However, he's lost his prime job, he's lost all of
his bookings.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, and yeah, he doesn't do himself any favors with
by the way I looked at I saw that is
the video that I saw, But I think I just
didn't watch the whole thing. I'll have to go back
and give that another look. He doesn't do himself any
favors with that. He should. He should really just not
say anything, let this play out.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
No, because that's what the promotion told him to do.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
No, no, no, I'm sorry, what just to clarify, I
just mean he shouldn't say anything publicly, but he should.
I'm glad you brought that up. Because the promotion told them,
you know, don't talk to law enforcement without talking to
us first, and that's not good.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
That's obstruction adjustice, that's
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