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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yes, WWE's deal with ESPN. So this starts in when
sometime in twenty twenty six, right.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
With WrestleMania twenty twenty six, and the deal will officially begin.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
So PL's premium live events once upon a time known
as pay per views, although they're starting to feel more
like paper Well no, not really, but but they will
be available on ESPN's streaming service.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I guess the service ESPN offers. It's twenty nine to
ninety nine a month, and you get access to live
streams for all of ESPN's channels and ESPN Plus okay,
which includes event online only events.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Okay, Now, there's a lot of people are angry because
this is expensive.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And twenty nine ninety nine a month.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
If you're someone like Jenny and I, you know, we
don't have ESPN. We don't want it. We don't want
to spend another thirty dollars a month to see these events.
So the position that we're in, we're we're some of
the an example of people who are not happy about this. Granted,
I assume like you'll be able to get there where
the PL is going to be internationally? Will they be
(01:13):
on Netflix or do you Netflix? So what will end
up happening is we'll get a VPN for ten dollars
a month. And because you know, the whole point of
having a VPN, at least in a situation like this
is they can't tell where you're accessing the content from.
So we can get a We can spend ten dollars
a month for a VPN that lets us access Netflix
(01:34):
and doesn't matter where we're watching from, and get the
get these events that way.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, a couple of things here. Yes, I'm speaking. I
didn't discuss this with you. I mean type piracy.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, me too. I don't think it's I don't think
it's piracy what I'm talking about. But but if you no.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I'm saying in general because I've seen that on a
lot of uh.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I think I even said I haven't said that in
our Tough Bumps group chat, which I was sort of
getting I was sort of getting no, And I get it.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I get the knee jerk reaction on it. Don't get
me wrong. But even when the UFC pay per views
were eighty nine to ninety nine a month, I didn't
pirate them.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Were they that much?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yes? I had no idea, Yeah they were that much?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Wow, crazy even when they were that much, I didn't
pirate them. There was a fight I wanted to see.
I would see if somebodies were getting it and throw
in on it. And you know whatever, I mean, call
me weird. I just I don't see the appeal in it.
(02:53):
I mean because eventually it takes money away from the competitors.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Can you can you define because the word piracy in
this case might mean different things.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Going to a website that offers the stream for free.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Okay, Now what about going to a website that offers
because for example, so some of the AEW if like
if there's an aw match that I want to see
that's on a pay per view, that that inevitably ends
up on a website called tokivideo dot com.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I mean, if it's after the event, fine, okay, I
don't have an issue with that, because the event has
already happened.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
My issue is as the event is happening live, people
have paid for the event. You are stealing it, right,
And it doesn't affect using the UFC as example Dana Whye.
It affects the union workers that are there that do
(03:56):
the electrical, that do the production, that do all of that.
It affects their pay and eventually the competitors because they're
they get bonuses based on pay per view numbers or
pay per view buys.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And if you're not paying, and you know your buddy,
you have ten buddies who aren't paying, that's ten less
people that count against that number.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So yeah, it's just kind of like, look, you can
read the live round by round on ESPN, MMA Junkie,
MMA News, shirt Dog. There are ways out there like
and then I you know, seeing that deal. I'm a
(04:50):
sports fan. I have YouTube TV. So if you have
a cable participating cable provider, you get the ESPN service
for free. Yeah, so you don't pay the twenty nine
ninety nine a month, right, So so yeah, you you
(05:17):
really just and I think back to a time when
we had when Matt, you and I would have to
pay nineteen ninety nine to thirty nine ninety nine, or
a WWE event every month, or wait four to five
(05:38):
months for the Coliseum video release. Right. So it's not
that bad people, really, isn't I I had people, I know,
buddies that ordered it every month. Yeah, I mean, and
we would all chip in on it. Then when I
(05:59):
was an adult I would buy. I would buy the
WWF pay per views and the TNA pay per views
every month. Yeah, I imagine now how expensive that got.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Part of the problem, though, and where I think the
fan backlash comes from, is we've been conditioned over the
past several years that we don't have to spend an
exorbitant amount of money for these things, and now it's like.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I think it's and I want to piggyback on that statement.
I think it's a straw that broke the camel's back
type deal. Ticket prices are astronomical. Merchandise prices are astronomical.
It's like, where's the break for the fans, right, where's
(06:47):
the financial break? Wrestling used to be a family endeavor.
Now it's like a major sporting event where if you
want to take your family to a pla you almost
have to take out a second mortgage. Yeah, I on
my bucket list WrestleMania was on it. I probably ain't
(07:14):
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
This is looking at VPN prices anyway. Uh yeah, but
that's uh yeah, so that's what's.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Do you think that's piracy? Because I don't. I we
pay for Netflix.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I I I look, I use VPNs. Yeah, I use
it for video game purposes, gaming purposes. I've never tried
it for streaming.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Why do you? Why do you? I'm curious and I'm
not a gamer, So for you, my ignorance, why why
do you use a VPN for gaming?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Because some games have bonus content that's only available in
international releases.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, I don't use it for cheating online purposes. Yeah,
but I use it because, like if there's DLC that's
only available in on the European version, then I want
to trick my I want to trick my console or
my raw ally into thinking I'm in Europe.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Right, right, Okay, anything to add on on that subject
or for sure we get to the I know you're
excited to talk about AID. Oh yeah, did you have
did you have something else?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I I just think I get I get the outcry,
I get why people are upset. I'm just I'm not there.
I'm not at that level of pissed offness.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, but you're also a sorts fan, right, so for
you like for some like for someone who doesn't give
a shit about sports. No one who doesn't care about
sports wants to be told they got to shell out
thirty dollars a month for ESPN just to watch this
one thing when they probably don't care about anything else
is going on on ESPN.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
You know what I mean, you're if you're a wrestling fan, though,
and I'm going to counter that, if you're a wrestling fan,
a majority of wrestling fans have one of those live
TV cable services because you almost have to if you
want to keep tabs on AW, if you want to
watch SmackDown, if you want to watch if your antenna
(09:40):
doesn't pick up the CW, and you want to watch NXT,
if you want to watch TNA, if you want to
watch all of it, you almost have to have a YouTube, TV, Hulu,
Live direct TV stream well NXT.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
So you can watch NXT for free on unless this
has changed because we haven't. We haven't watched it really recently,
but CW you on their website, they were showing NXT
for free totally.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Friday, right, I'm singing in general? Yeah, you want to
watch all pro wrestling and SmackDown?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Do you want to know how Jenny and I watch
SmackDown because we don't have because we don't have a
cable service provider, but we so Friday nights. We can't
watch it live anyway because Friday nights I'm on the
radio at the and age.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
So what we do is put it on the next
day on Hulu.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Well, no, not anymore unless they started that again. They
were like a month behind on Hulu at one point.
No where we've been watching it is on daily motion
dailymotion dot com. There's people who just post the show there,
so we watch it on Saturday after the radio show,
we come home and watch SmackDown via dailymotion dot com.
And by the way, for anyone who doesn't know what
(10:48):
daily motion is, it's kind of like YouTube. It's like
it's like a version they tried to compete with YouTube
for the past I don't know however many years. But yeah,
it's just dailymotion dot com. That's how we watch MAA.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Okay, well, but we wouldn't be able.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
To watch it live, Like even if I were home
on a Friday night, we wouldn't be able to watch
it live.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You're right, but that's yeah, that's what I'm saying is
and that's the I mean a majority I used to
work before I started at the at my current job,
I was at a cable company Media com and a
lot of people sports and pro wrestling are the reason
they still have cable. Those are the two saving things.
(11:33):
And this ESPN app it could very well kill terrestrial cable.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
No, who knows. I mean, we've been we've been predicting
the death of terrestrial cable for a long time now.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Somehow this might be the Jack Kavorkian Yeah, this No,
and a lot of people say, sorry, I had to
adjust my computer screen there.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
A lot of people say that I have it just
because of sports. Well now, oh boy, mm hmmm.
Yes, WWE's deal with ESPN. So this starts in when
sometime in twenty twenty six, right.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
With WrestleMania twenty twenty six, and the deal will officially begin.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
So PL's premium live events once upon a time known
as pay per views, although they're starting to feel more
like paper Well no, not really, but but they will
be available on ESPN's streaming service.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I guess the service ESPN offers. It's twenty nine to
ninety nine a month, and you get access to live
streams for all of ESPN's channels and ESPN Plus okay,
which includes event online only events.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Okay, Now, there's a lot of people are angry because
this is expensive.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And twenty nine ninety nine a month.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
If you're someone like Jenny and I, you know, we
don't have ESPN. We don't want it. We don't want
to spend another thirty dollars a month to see these events.
So the position that we're in, we're we're some of
the an example of people who are not happy about this. Granted,
I assume like you'll be able to get there where
the PL is going to be internationally? Will they be
(01:13):
on Netflix or do you Netflix? So what will end
up happening is we'll get a VPN for ten dollars
a month. And because you know, the whole point of
having a VPN, at least in a situation like this
is they can't tell where you're accessing the content from.
So we can get a We can spend ten dollars
a month for a VPN that lets us access Netflix
(01:34):
and doesn't matter where we're watching from, and get the
get these events that way.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, a couple of things here. Yes, I'm speaking. I
didn't discuss this with you. I mean type piracy.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, me too. I don't think it's I don't think
it's piracy what I'm talking about. But but if you no.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I'm saying in general because I've seen that on a
lot of uh.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I think I even said I haven't said that in
our Tough Bumps group chat, which I was sort of
getting I was sort of getting no, And I get it.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I get the knee jerk reaction on it. Don't get
me wrong. But even when the UFC pay per views
were eighty nine to ninety nine a month, I didn't
pirate them.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Were they that much?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yes? I had no idea, Yeah they were that much?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Wow, crazy even when they were that much, I didn't
pirate them. There was a fight I wanted to see.
I would see if somebodies were getting it and throw
in on it. And you know whatever, I mean, call
me weird. I just I don't see the appeal in it.
(02:53):
I mean because eventually it takes money away from the competitors.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Can you can you define because the word piracy in
this case might mean different things.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Going to a website that offers the stream for free.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Okay, Now what about going to a website that offers
because for example, so some of the AEW if like
if there's an aw match that I want to see
that's on a pay per view, that that inevitably ends
up on a website called tokivideo dot com.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I mean, if it's after the event, fine, okay, I
don't have an issue with that, because the event has
already happened.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
My issue is as the event is happening live, people
have paid for the event. You are stealing it, right,
And it doesn't affect using the UFC as example Dana Whye.
It affects the union workers that are there that do
(03:56):
the electrical, that do the production, that do all of that.
It affects their pay and eventually the competitors because they're
they get bonuses based on pay per view numbers or
pay per view buys.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And if you're not paying, and you know your buddy,
you have ten buddies who aren't paying, that's ten less
people that count against that number.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So yeah, it's just kind of like, look, you can
read the live round by round on ESPN, MMA Junkie,
MMA News, shirt Dog. There are ways out there like
and then I you know, seeing that deal. I'm a
(04:50):
sports fan. I have YouTube TV. So if you have
a cable participating cable provider, you get the ESPN service
for free. Yeah, so you don't pay the twenty nine
ninety nine a month, right, So so yeah, you you
(05:17):
really just and I think back to a time when
we had when Matt, you and I would have to
pay nineteen ninety nine to thirty nine ninety nine, or
a WWE event every month, or wait four to five
(05:38):
months for the Coliseum video release. Right. So it's not
that bad people, really, isn't I I had people, I know,
buddies that ordered it every month. Yeah, I mean, and
we would all chip in on it. Then when I
(05:59):
was an adult I would buy. I would buy the
WWF pay per views and the TNA pay per views
every month. Yeah, I imagine now how expensive that got.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Part of the problem, though, and where I think the
fan backlash comes from, is we've been conditioned over the
past several years that we don't have to spend an
exorbitant amount of money for these things, and now it's like.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I think it's and I want to piggyback on that statement.
I think it's a straw that broke the camel's back
type deal. Ticket prices are astronomical. Merchandise prices are astronomical.
It's like, where's the break for the fans, right, where's
(06:47):
the financial break? Wrestling used to be a family endeavor.
Now it's like a major sporting event where if you
want to take your family to a pla you almost
have to take out a second mortgage. Yeah, I on
my bucket list WrestleMania was on it. I probably ain't
(07:14):
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
This is looking at VPN prices anyway. Uh yeah, but
that's uh yeah, so that's what's.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Do you think that's piracy? Because I don't. I we
pay for Netflix.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I I I look, I use VPNs. Yeah, I use
it for video game purposes, gaming purposes. I've never tried
it for streaming.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Why do you? Why do you? I'm curious and I'm
not a gamer, So for you, my ignorance, why why
do you use a VPN for gaming?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Because some games have bonus content that's only available in
international releases.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, I don't use it for cheating online purposes. Yeah,
but I use it because, like if there's DLC that's
only available in on the European version, then I want
to trick my I want to trick my console or
my raw ally into thinking I'm in Europe.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Right, right, Okay, anything to add on on that subject
or for sure we get to the I know you're
excited to talk about AID. Oh yeah, did you have
did you have something else?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I I just think I get I get the outcry,
I get why people are upset. I'm just I'm not there.
I'm not at that level of pissed offness.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, but you're also a sorts fan, right, so for
you like for some like for someone who doesn't give
a shit about sports. No one who doesn't care about
sports wants to be told they got to shell out
thirty dollars a month for ESPN just to watch this
one thing when they probably don't care about anything else
is going on on ESPN.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
You know what I mean, you're if you're a wrestling fan, though,
and I'm going to counter that, if you're a wrestling fan,
a majority of wrestling fans have one of those live
TV cable services because you almost have to if you
want to keep tabs on AW, if you want to
watch SmackDown, if you want to watch if your antenna
(09:40):
doesn't pick up the CW, and you want to watch NXT,
if you want to watch TNA, if you want to
watch all of it, you almost have to have a YouTube, TV, Hulu,
Live direct TV stream well NXT.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
So you can watch NXT for free on unless this
has changed because we haven't. We haven't watched it really recently,
but CW you on their website, they were showing NXT
for free totally.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Friday, right, I'm singing in general? Yeah, you want to
watch all pro wrestling and SmackDown?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Do you want to know how Jenny and I watch
SmackDown because we don't have because we don't have a
cable service provider, but we so Friday nights. We can't
watch it live anyway because Friday nights I'm on the
radio at the and age.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
So what we do is put it on the next
day on Hulu.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Well, no, not anymore unless they started that again. They
were like a month behind on Hulu at one point.
No where we've been watching it is on daily motion
dailymotion dot com. There's people who just post the show there,
so we watch it on Saturday after the radio show,
we come home and watch SmackDown via dailymotion dot com.
And by the way, for anyone who doesn't know what
(10:48):
daily motion is, it's kind of like YouTube. It's like
it's like a version they tried to compete with YouTube
for the past I don't know however many years. But yeah,
it's just dailymotion dot com. That's how we watch MAA.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Okay, well, but we wouldn't be able.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
To watch it live, Like even if I were home
on a Friday night, we wouldn't be able to watch
it live.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You're right, but that's yeah, that's what I'm saying is
and that's the I mean a majority I used to
work before I started at the at my current job,
I was at a cable company Media com and a
lot of people sports and pro wrestling are the reason
they still have cable. Those are the two saving things.
(11:33):
And this ESPN app it could very well kill terrestrial cable.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
No, who knows. I mean, we've been we've been predicting
the death of terrestrial cable for a long time now.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Somehow this might be the Jack Kavorkian Yeah, this No,
and a lot of people say, sorry, I had to
adjust my computer screen there.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
A lot of people say that I have it just
because of sports. Well now, oh boy, mm hmmm.
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