episode 14: AEW, Karrion Kross, ESPN, Naomi

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
We take who was a kidden the Green? It's how
we be kidding man, A father of the sings on
the Tough Bums.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Name everybody, Welcome to Tough Bumps Episode fourteen. My name
is my name. That's the second time in a week
I stumbled over my name. My name is Matt Connerton.
And about that with me, of I know, it could
be uh, could be Connington, It could be can Art,
Uh could be Cornington, could be anything, really depends on

(00:47):
what's Ratso, could be Ratso, Mattso, Ratso fatso something. Yeah,
And of course joining me all the way from the
great state of Iowa. Eric Pilcher is here. Hello, Eric,
Hello Matt or you have variations of your name too,
like Eric Pincher. Yeah, I recall that.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
I've been accused of having certain appendages in my mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Sure, sure that, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Unless he has video from my party days in college
where I didn't recall, I don't that's not I've never
done that, Okay, So I'll clear that up.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Fair enough, fair enough. So in our main event this week,
we're gonna be talking about ae W. But we have
a few things in the undercard. Oh before we go
any further too, I have just a brief announcement. I
don't know. You might know this already, Eric, I don't know.
I don't know if you've spoken with Charles. Oh, I
see Rocky is making a cameo Rocky the Dog Beautiful Dog.
This coming Saturday, August twenty third. Charles Richardson, of course,

(01:47):
host of The Charles Richardson Show, will be making an
appearance on Matt Connorton Unleashed, the version that we do
on Saturday mornings on WM and H. He's gonna come
on Kyler Wrestling. So you're welcome to join us if
you want to. I don't know if that works with
your schedule if you'd like to, but stay tuned.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, yeah, stay tuned. Uh that'll give you time to
run it by Charles as well.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
So yeah, oh, I'm sure he wouldn't mind at all.
But uh no, it'd be cool. Like I said, if
you want to, there's no pressure. If it works with
your schedule and you'd like to join us, you're welcome to.
But uh, yeah, Charles is gonna come on. I know
he's not a fan of AW so it'll be interesting
to hear what he has to say.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Uh, Charles and I might agree with more than what
we think then.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Right, yeah, that may very well be the case. But yeah,
so a quick announcement there, But so that'll be the
The main event this week is some aew discussion but
in the undercard. So what are we gonna talk about first? Naomi?

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah? Yeah, Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Naomi was conspicuous by her absence recently on Uh she
was pulled. She seemed to be pulled at the last minute,
right on Monday Night Raw last week.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yes, and without explanation backstage, right.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, they didn't really explain it much at all. I know.
I think the first time I heard anything during the
show was about it was when I think there was
a moment with the judgment day dom or somebody made
a reference to uh hated to hear the news about
Naomi or something and uh and then that was kind

(03:24):
of it, and it was like, wow, what's the what's
the news?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Right?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
That was odd? But now you said, so there's still
no explanation. No, but you said you have a theory.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Well, there's a rumor, and the rumor is is that
she is she's pregnant, and okay, she is married to
Jimmy you so, yeah, so if that is the case.
Congratulations to both of them. Yes, I mean not This

(04:05):
is gonna sound bad and I don't want it to,
but it's going to Okay. That's the risk of women's athletes, oh,
is that they can is that they carry children, and
you can try various forms of contraceptive and if they

(04:27):
don't work.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Or you would be fair to say Eric in terms
of contraception, would it be fair to say that Naomi
should have proceeded with caution?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
That was awful.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Matt had to do it. It was right there, I
had to do it.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Totally agree with you.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Nonetheless bad pun I Uh, Jimmy, you so maybe should
have not eat it?

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Hmmm yes, yeah, no yeat no, yeat.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
So I but yeah, it's unfortunate. Again, I don't want
to say unfortunate career wise. It's a bet it's not
the best time for this to happen for her. She
I mean, I think it looks like she was going
to get a lengthy run, and a deserved lengthy run. Yeah,

(05:34):
but again, having a child is a blessing and you know,
and a hopefully hopefully she sees it that way. I
have no reason to believe she wouldn't, right, And if
it is that tomorrow Monday night on RAW, we're going

(05:56):
to learn more.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah. So, so has that been announced that she is
in fact making an announcement.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
She is making an announcement on RAW, and it's already
been said that she's making an announcement, an announcement, and
it will be in regards to the future of the
women's title.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Okay, So there's definitely something up.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, there is so whatever that may be but is
up in the air. It is heavily rumored and speculated
that it's pregnancy.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I remember we saw something like that happen. It was
actually during the pandemic when Becky Lynch was She was champion, right,
she was Women's Champion and she had to give up
the title because she was pregnant.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, I mean, and again, you know, Becky Lynch has
come back, and you know, it's up to the woman,
honestly in the in these cases, I mean, some women
decide they just love motherhood and take that time to
step away. In more power to them. You know, I'm

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going to assume that Naomi has taken care of her money.
She's been at this for over a decade in WWE.
This isn't as if she's you know, this isn't as
if she just got I mean she just got to
run at the top. But this isn't as if she's

(07:26):
a Johnny cum Lately so to speak.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Right, she's had a long, successful career already. I know,
she's in her late thirties. Now she's already been Yeah
she's but this is But you're right though, in terms
of timing, I mean, you know, after winning the money
in the bank and then cashing that in successfully and
now she's the champion, and I'm really enjoying her as
a heel. I think she's a great heel. I think
she's very entertaining. So yeah, the timing is a bummer.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
The timing is because you bring up a good point
her being a very good heel coming back from childbirth
if it is pregnancy again, we don't know. It's rumor
and speculation. If it is childbirth, she's going to be
a face. I mean, you're not going to come back

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from birth and people boo you. Oh.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
I don't know. Depends on how they bring her back.
I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
I don't think you can. Again, the wrestling fans are
have mystified me before.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
So I don't know. We'll see, well, well.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
I would know. I think biologically, I can't. I can't,
I can't. I can't have a baby, you know, right, yeah,
something about wrong plumbing, biology, science, you know, but science

(09:07):
is fake news.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Well to a lot of people, it is. Yes, fun
fact about me. I actually was born with fallopian tubes.
A lot of people don't know that about me.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Oh well, Hank Hill was born with a narrow urethra.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
There you go. That can happen.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I mean, you know, Wonders of the World. All right,
this one's gotten way off the rails here.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Well, yes, and I ended up revealing something about myself.
Shall we move on to Carrion Cross.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yes, absolutely, let's uh, let's get this back on track here.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yes, so did you watch Carrion Cross his interview with
Ariel Hilwane.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I'm going to share a secret here, okay, not not as.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Not as big as mine?

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Right yeah, yeah, I not gonna top that in this episode.
Sure I might not top that ever, right, Yes, yes,
I uh, I hate Ariel Hawani, do you? Oh? Yes,
and look here's the thing here's oh that's right.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I remember now this is coming back to me.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yes, why I disliked the man. Yes, you spoiled the
surprise for UFC two hundred. Yeah, you you spoiled it.
And then you went on air and cried when you
lost your press credentials. M No, you should have lost

(10:41):
your press credentials. What again? The chain of timing in
that has always been a bit iffy. And for those
that don't know, basically the big reveal for USC two
hundred was brock Lesnar's coming back.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
The day they were gonna do the reveal, which was
another UFC pay per view, Ariel Hawani the afternoon of
the pay per view drops the bombshell on Twitter now
known as X that brock Lesner is returning, expected to
be revealed tonight.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
What was it. I'm remembering this a little bit differently,
but but I'll defer to you if I have this wrong,
because you you I.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Could have it wrong as well, because it was.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I didn't think it was that afternoon. I thought it
was during the event, but it was right before it
was happening. It was just a few minutes before it
was happening, thus ruining the.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
I don't know, but basically, Dana White revoked Ariel Howane's
press credentials, which for those of you that don't know,
in journalism, if you lose your press credentials, and like
it would be like a a political beat writer losing

(11:58):
their White House press room credentials, like Jim Acosta.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, it's it's.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
A career killer. But Dana, and in my opinion rightfully
so was like, you cost you could have cost us
millions with this. Yeah, and him and Ariel had to
that point had a contentious at best relationship. Now it's

(12:28):
eventually like a few days later his press credentials were
given back, but it's been very contentious with him and
Dana ever since, to the point that I think Ariel
is very anti USC just because he's anti Dana White,
which for me as a journalist, that's wrong. Like on

(12:50):
this show we discussed pro wrestling. For us to have
a bias is okay to a degree, but Ariel Hawanies
is justice gusting. During the pandemic, he bashed Dana for
Fight Island and everything else, and it's like, well, no,
this man's trying to return a sense of normalcy and

(13:13):
he's actually taking major precautions to ensure the safety of
his athletes.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, I thought the whole Fight Island thing was a
little weird myself. But I don't I don't want to
get that's a whole other sidetrack.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
But but yeah, it's like Dana White can do no right.
And I guarantee you this White House card that is
coming July fourth, twenty twenty six. Yeah, Oh, I've intrigued.
Now the chuckle.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
You know how, I don't want to bring politics into
this show if I can help it, But you know how,
I just generally feel about Hey, I'm I'm in a
weird place now because Kiss is being inducted by you
know who into the Kennedy Center. Kiss is my favorite band.
I'm real for them. But then it's like, oh my god, Like,
how am I supposed to feel about this under these circumstances.
It's crazy, right, So I guess I guess it's impossible

(14:11):
to avoid politics.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I love the idea of a UFC fight card at
the White House. I think it's amazing. Yeah, I look
as someone that's loved the sport to remember back when
senators were putting it on its deathbed.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Oh yeah, John m.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
John McCain two. Now we're talking about having a card
at the White House. Yeah, like, this is amazing. I'm
all for it, as long as the right security measures
are taken.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Sure, all right, but you hate you hate Ariel Hawani?
Is your like?

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'm a journalist. I have a degree in journalism as
a journalist. He acted like an idiot, crying on air
about losing his credentials. I'm not going away. I'm gonna fight. No,
you're crying like a bitch that ain't fighting. You fucked up.

(15:15):
Own it. You knew what you were doing is wrong.
You knew, you knew that you were gonna piss off
Dana White. And if you didn't know, you're a jack
dick moron to begin with. You already knew you had
a bad relationship with Dana, So why rock the boat?

(15:39):
Ye play the victim card. I have had press credentials
for three UFC events, three actual UFC events. In all
three of them, I've actually talked to Dana personally, albeit
for five to ten minutes. One of the nicest guys ever. Okay,

(16:01):
hit the UFC is great to the press. Like, keep
in mind, one time I went, I wrote for a
community college newspaper. The other two times I went, I
wrote for a magazine called Taekwondo Times that was a
regional magazine quarterly regional magazine publication out of Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

(16:27):
I was treated as if I was Kevin Ioli from
Yahoo Sports all three times. Yeah, like by the Fighters,
by Dana by by Jennifer Wink who at the time
was their media coordinator. So they run its first class

(16:48):
the whole way. Yeah, and in their requirements it is
listed that you may learn some information that we do
not really want release to the public until a certain time.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
I'm guessing that that did not change, right, So Ariel
Hawani was in violation of that. When you accept your credentials,
you are told a violation of zufa's rules could lead
to revocation of press credentials. So he knew and knowing

(17:29):
that you don't have the best relationship with Dana White again,
why do it? Just he's a dumbass and people love
him and more power to him. He I did love
his interview with cmpunk he didn't returned, and there are

(17:50):
interviews I like of him, but anything just I think
sometimes he's a cloud chaser.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Okay, okay, and there it is, all right? So does
that mean you did not watch.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
A ten minute answer to a two minute question. No,
I did not. I read the highlights.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Oh, okay, it was very good. It was very good. But
the thing I've always said about Carry and Cross, I
remember saying this you once, is any kind of interview
I've ever seen him in, like he just comes across
no pun intended, really well, like he's very intelligent and
well spoken, very articulate, and just seems like a really

(18:37):
good guy and so and he comes across that way
too in the interview with Arieljuane. Now, did you watch
the documentary that's on YouTube, Killer Part two slash My
Contract ended today? Did you watch that?

Speaker 1 (18:53):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Also very good. I recommend it.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
I It's on my list.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Okay, Jenny and I watched it. We really enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
The thing that, man, I'm torn on this again because
it's a tough thing to say. My understanding is the
crux at all of this, the breakdown, if you will,
if you will, is that they offer Carrion Cross but

(19:31):
not Scarlet.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, she's a key part of the act.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
And look, I get why he rejected that she is
a key part of the act. They are married in
real life, that is his wife and I people have
told me about Scarlet and she is as beautiful as

(19:59):
she is. She's a nicer person like you can't like
like jis. She's a doll and just so nice, so giving.
Even when she was on the indies, like for there
are promotions that she's done free shots for Yeah, while

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she was with TNA.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
That doesn't surprise me because she comes across very well
in the in the documentary, you know, obviously it focuses
more on Carrying a Cross, But in the documentary she
she comes across as a really nice They both do.
They come across as both really nice, genuine believe.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Carrying Cross's book has just been released as well.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yes, and number one on the sports listing of the
New York Times Online or something or Amazon or something
apparently doing very well, doing very well.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Now in Life is Fighting by Kevin Robert Keyser WWE
superstar Carrion Cross.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, I haven't. And apparently the book ends with because
this book was a long time in the making, it
actually ends with him coming back his previous return to
WWE in twenty twenty two. I think, yes, yeah, and
that's where the book ends.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
It is called Life is fighting. Yeah, so yeah, he
And look, Carrion Cross is a guy that he did
it the hard way. He came up through the indies.
He you know, he didn't go I mean he went
through NXT, but he didn't have an in, right. I

(21:48):
mean he did a couple Ring of Honor shows because
WWE has traditionally poached Ring of honor. If you don't
believe me, uh, Seth Rollins, cmpunk, Yeah, Sammy's Aye, Kevin Owens,

(22:09):
you know, Cody Rhodes. I mean, you don't have the
American Nightmare if it isn't for Cody Rhoads's Ring of
Honor NJPW run because then you don't have the subject
of this week's episode, aw right. The point is is
that Cross, I think Cross by WWE management, was always

(22:31):
viewed as an outsider, not as someone that that they
groomed or they created. And the problem with WWE is
they have I think they're backstage people in the guys
at the top have a heavy sense of tribalism, whether

(22:52):
they intend to or not, that if we did not
create you, you're gonna have a tougher road unless you
just blow us away. And I think that that's what
happened to Cross. The fans got behind him after that promo.
My understanding is Hunter was not happy with the promo.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, that's covered in the Uh yeah, he talks about
that in the aerial Hillwane interview that you know he
because he actually the way he explains it, and I
think they touch on this in the documentary too, the
way he explains it is after the promo, because that
was all planned with writers, just Hunter wasn't in on it.
So after the promo he told everybody, he said, Okay,
by the way, let's just make sure everybody internally and

(23:41):
the company knows that that was a work. And then
I'm not really upset and that I love being here,
and you know, let's make sure everyone knows that because
he was concerned. And then it turned out he found
out later that Triple H in fact was not aware
and that he was bothered by it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Well yeah, and that's not on Cross. No, that's but
he's going to take the heat for it. And if
if that's a part of Scarlet not getting a deal,
shame on Hunter. Shame on Hunter, because Hunter, I remember
a time where you were a part of a work.

(24:22):
It wasn't a work, but you were a part of
something that was seen as detrimental to the business and
because you were the only guy that could be punished
for it, Yep, you were right because the curtain call.
You're not gonna punish Kevin Ash, You're not gonna punish
Scott Hall. They're opt the door. Yeah, you could find

(24:43):
them take money out of their last payout. I suppose
Sean's the champion who you gonna punish, right, And he
had to his own words, eat shit and like it. Yep,
And he lost winning the ninety six King of the

(25:04):
Ring that went to Stone called Steve Austin. He won
it a year later in ninety seven. But it just
his career was set back by that because he was
on the fast track. He had he was an intercontinental champion,
he had had mister perfect as his manager. I mean,

(25:28):
it was up up of the up for hunter Hurst
Helmsley before that happened. And so that just reeks of
hypocrisy if you're if you're gonna sit there and try
to punish Cross for something like that when you have

(25:50):
long carried this chip on your shoulder for you having
to ticked the brunt of the curtain call. Then what
what the hell? Man?

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, it's just all very strange because you know, in
the waning, in the waning days of Cross, this contract,
you know his uh, you know, the book comes out
and and you know, he's doing these book signings. There's
a lot of that in the documentary. And I guess
his merch numbers went way way up, and people were
you know, people wanted to see more Carry and Cross

(26:24):
and you know, and and apparently they did offer him
a deal, but like you said, they didn't offer it
to Scarlet, and Cross was questioning the money and you know,
how did you get to this number? Let's continue this dialogue,
and he explains in the Ariel Hillwani in a interview
that he was offered, you know, he was offered a deal,
a new deal, did not include Scarlet, and when he asked, well,

(26:45):
how did we arrive at this number? I'd like to
see some analytics, because you know, he knows, you know,
his is he's selling a lot of merch. He was
told he had to accept the offer within twenty four
hours or it would be rescinded. He wanted to you
the conversation, and twenty four hours pass and the offer
was rescinded and that was it.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Well. And also here's the other thing is he was
he didn't have direct conversation with butter Right.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
It was a go between, Yeah, a rep that was
appointed by the company to handle the negotiation.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
And what he said in regards to your merch, I'm
looking at Pro Wrestling teas right now. Two of the
top three sellers of the week. Number one is carrying
is Killer Cross's new shirt good Soldier. Number three is
Scarlett Bordeaux's hexapl T shirt good Good.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
I'm glad to see that. I'm glad to hear that
that's good for them.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
And what's in between. Assigned limited edition deathmatch print drawn
by Rob Schomberg, signed by Micky Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
So in the end, I mean, they're they're gonna be fine,
Like I wouldn't be surprised if they land in ae
W Right or something.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Well aw hasn't called Well.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
That came up too during the interview with Ariel Hallani.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I think a lot of people, a lot of organizations
think it's a work exactly.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
And that's what that's what Carrion Cross said.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yep, I mean, and the and this is the drawback
when creative wants to work the sheets constantly. They did
it with the Seth injury. They've done it many times.
They did it with CM Punk's return. When you do that,
you can hurt your talent, and that's what's happening with Cross. Also,

(28:46):
he's asking for an astronomical appearance fee.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah apparently, Yeah, that can that can be dangerous.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, I mean, look, if there is and let's keep
in mind that TNA Wrestling probably is off the table
because of their partnership with WWE. That that more we
hear may not be a partnership. They may be a
secondary developmental because WWE is doing some really underhanded stuff

(29:23):
with TNA in regards to our subject this week, ae
W So TNA might not be an option for him.
I think it, I mean I think for him. I
would love to see him in New Japan. I think

(29:44):
him in New Japan would be amazing. He goes and
works shows, and I guarantee you he would get an
aw deal.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, also too, you know, the hopefully
whatever happens for him, you know, I think we're we're
all rooting for him, and I hope, I hope good
things happen quickly. Because the other, the other factor in this,
and you know, this isn't as much of a factor
as it would have been at one time, certainly. But
he is forty, so it's not like he's a young

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guy who you know who you know. He's not a
twenty five year old dude who you know, had his
big break and it didn't work out. So now he's
got to go hit the indies for a while and
then he'll eventually get back to WWE. We don't know,
you know, at his age. I mean, he's an incredible shape.
I'm sure he's got another decade in him, but but
we don't know. So I hope whatever does happen for him,

(30:38):
not only do I hope it's positive, but I hope
it's relatively quick.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, I you know, just one of the genuine good guys.
And Scarlett, as I said, genuine good women are good
persons in this business.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Uh yeah, look yeah, I I I felt the writing
was on the wall with the way, with the way the.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Summer Slam match went.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, because let's.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Be real, Sam, he's aying won in a quasi squash.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
People keep calling it a squash. I don't I don't
think it was quite a squash. I don't know, I said,
quasi quasi. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't necessarily endearing.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
But you weren't.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
But but you weren't gonna have a it wasn't gonna
be a five star Meltzer match either. Because one thing
about carry and cross I will say, you know again,
I say this gently because I like him very much.
His ringwork isn't great, Like I can't imagine him going
like you don't hear this is awesome chant during a
carry and cross match.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
He's okay, he isn't gonna give you a forty minute
clinic with Rospray, right, Yeah, wrestling needs those guys, right absolutely.
And he what he does, what he can do, he
does very well. But I mean, I I agree he's

(32:05):
he's really he's a throwback big man. Yeah where And
I think that's also a detriment to him with w
w E because w w E is going more towards
this traditional work stot this this shoe Japan style in

(32:27):
some cases, and that comes with the guys that they
brought in again, Rollin's Zane Punk that came up through
Ring of Honor in the ndies, and that's what you work,
you work snug, you work tight. You want it to
look like a shoe. Yeah, yeah, so I think crap.

(32:51):
I hope the best for him. I'm very shocked Tony
Kahan has not made the call because I think, you know,
there there is so many opportunities there. Oh, definitely a
in ae W for him. One you mentioned being forty
reduced schedule for ae W.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
True.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah, I mean even if you just had him on
Ring of Honor for a while and built him up, Yeah,
that could work. There are so many things you can
do with a guy like carrying cross and a girl
like Scarlett. Yeah, those two.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
You can absolutely absolutely all Right, well we we uh
we hope for good things. Shall we move on to
our next item on the undercard?

Speaker 1 (33:40):
The final item.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
The final item on the undercard, the undercard. Yeah, yes, yes,
the w w E. This is this is that didn't
fit as well as I thought. This is a little
bit old news, but you know, because while the news
cycle moves so fast now even not not only and
just news generally, but in professional wrestling of course. But yes,

(34:04):
WWE's deal with ESPN. So this starts in when sometime
in twenty twenty six, right.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
With WrestleMania twenty twenty six, and the deal will officially begin.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
So PL's premium live events once upon a time known
as pay per views, although they're starting to feel more
like paper. Well no, not really, but but they will
be available on ESPN's streaming service.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I guess the service ESPN offers. It's twenty nine to
ninety nine a month, and you get access to live
streams for all of ESPN's channels and ESPN Plus okay,
which includes event online only events.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Okay, Now there's a lot of people are angry because
this is expensive.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
And twenty nine ninety nine a month.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
If you're someone like Jenny and you know we don't
have ESPN, we don't want it. We don't want to
spend another thirty dollars a month to see these events.
So the position that we're in, we're some of the
an example of people who are not happy about this. Granted,
I assume like you'll be able to get there where
the PL is going to be internationally? Will they be
on Netflix or do you Netflix? So what will end

(35:21):
up happening is we'll get a VPN for ten dollars
a month, and because you know, the whole point of
having a VPN, at least in a situation like this
is they can't tell where you're accessing the content from,
so we can get a We can spend ten dollars
a month for a VPN that lets us access Netflix
and doesn't matter where we're watching from and get the

(35:43):
get these events that way.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, a couple things here. Yes, I'm speaking. I didn't
discuss this with you. I MEANNTI piracy?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah, me too. I don't think it's I don't think
it's piracy what I'm talking about. But but if you.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
No, I'm saying in general because I've seen that on
a lot of uh.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I think I even said I haven't said that in
our tough Bumps group chat, which I was sort of
getting I was sort of getting no, And.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
I get it. I get the knee jerk reaction on it.
Don't get me wrong. But even when the UFC pay
per views were eighty nine to ninety nine a month,
I didn't pirate them.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Were they that much?

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yes, I had no idea. Yeah they were that much? Yes? Wow?

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Even when they were that much, I didn't pirate them. Yeah,
there was a fight I wanted to see. I would
see if somebodies were getting it and throw in on
it and you know whatever, I mean, call me weird.
I just I don't see the appeal in it. I
mean because eventually it takes money away from the competitors.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Can you can you define because the word piracy in
this case might mean different things.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Going to a website that offers the stream for free?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Okay, Now what about going to a website that offers
because for example, so some of the ae W if
like if there's an aw match that I want to
see that's on a pay per view, that that inevitably
ends up on a website called tokivideo dot com.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I mean if it's after the event, fine, okay, I
don't have an issue with that, because the event has
already happened.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
My issue is as the event is happening live, people
have paid for the event. You are stealing it, right,
And it doesn't affect using the UFC as example Dana,
Why it affects the union work that are there that

(38:01):
do the electrical, that do the production, that do all
of that. It affects their pay and eventually the competitors
because they're they get bonuses based on pay per view
numbers or pay per view buys. Yeah, and if you're

(38:22):
not paying, and you know your buddy, you have ten
buddies who aren't paying, that's ten less people that count
against that number.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
So yeah, it's just kind of like, look, you can
read the live round by round on ESPN, MMA Junkie,
MMA News, Shirt Dog. There are ways out there, like
and then I you know, seeing that deal. I'm a

(38:55):
sports fan. I have YouTube TV. So if you have
a cable participating cable provider, you get the ESPN service
for free. Yeah, so you don't pay the twenty nine
ninety nine a month, right, so so yeah, you you

(39:22):
really just and I think back to a time when
we had when Matt, you and I would have to
pay nineteen ninety nine to thirty nine ninety nine for
a WWE event every month, or wait four to five

(39:43):
months for the Coliseum video release. Right, So it's not
that bad people, really, isn't I I had people, I know,
buddies that ordered it every month. Yeah, I mean, and
we would all chip in on it. Then when I

(40:04):
was an adult, I would buy I would buy the
WWF pay per views and the TNA pay per views
every month.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
I imagine now how expensive that got.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Part of the problem though, and where I think the
fan backlash comes from, is we've been conditioned over the
past several years that we don't have to spend an
exorbitant amount of money for these things, and now it's like.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I think it's and I want to piggyback on that statement.
I think it's a straw that broke the camel's back
type deal. Ticket prices are astronomical, merchandise prices are astronomical.
It's like, where's the break for the fans? Right, where's

(40:52):
the financial break? Wrestling used to be a family endeavor.
Now it's like a major boarding event where if you
want to take your family to a p l E
you almost have to take out a second mortgage. Yeah,
I on my bucket list, WrestleMania was on it. I

(41:19):
probably ain't gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I was looking at VPN prices anyway. Uh yeah, but
that's uh yeah, so that's what's.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Now.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Do you think that's piracy? Because I don't. I we
pay for Netflix.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
I I I look, I use VPNs. Yeah, I use
it for video game purposes, gaming purposes. I've never tried
it for streaming.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Why do you why do you. I'm curious and I'm
not a gamer. So for you, my ignorance, why why
do you use a VPN for gaming?

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Because some games have bonus content that's only available in
international releases?

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Well that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah, I don't use it for cheating online purposes. Yeah,
but I use it because, like if there's DLC that's
only available in on the European version, then I want
to trick my I want to trick my console or
my raw ally into thinking I'm in Europe.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Right right, Okay, anything to add on on that subject
or for sure we get to the I know you're excited,
Oh yeah, did you have did you have something else?

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I I just think I get I get the outcry,
I get why people are upset. I'm just I'm not there.
I'm not at that level of pissed offness.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah. But you're also a sports fan, right, So for you,
like for some like for someone who doesn't give a
shit about sports, No one who doesn't care about sports
wants to be told they got to shell out thirty
dollars a month for ESPN just to watch this one
thing when they probably don't care about anything else is
going on on ESPN.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
You know what I mean, you're if you're a wrestling fan, though,
and I'm going to counter that, if you're a wrestling fan,
a majority of wrestling fans have one of those live
TV cable services because you almost have to if you
want to keep tabs on AW if you want to
watch SmackDown, if you want to watch if your antenna

(43:45):
doesn't pick up the CW, and you want to watch NXT,
if you want to watch TNA, if you want to
watch all of it, you almost have to have a
YouTube TV, Hulu, Live direct TV stream.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Well NXT, So you can watch NXT for free on
unless this has changed because we haven't. We haven't watched
it really recently, but CW on their website they were
showing NXT for free totally.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Friday, right, I'm singing in general, Yeah, you want to
watch all pro wrestling and SmackDown?

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Do you want to know how Jenny and I watch
SmackDown because we don't have because we don't have a
cable service provider, but we so Friday nights. We can't
watch it live anyway because Friday nights I'm on the
radio at the and Age.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
So what we do is put it on the next
day on Hulu.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Well no, not anymore unless they started that again. They
were like a month behind on Hulu at one point. No,
where we've been watching it is on daily Motion dailymotion
dot com. There's people who just post the show there,
so we watch it on Saturday after the radio show,
we come home and watch SmackDown via dailymotion dot com.
And by the way, for anyone who doesn't know what

(44:53):
daily motion is, it's kind of like YouTube. It's like
it's like a version they tried to compete with YouTube
for the past I don't know however many years. But yeah,
it's just dailymotion dot Com. That's how we watched SmackDown.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Okay, well, but we wouldn't be able.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
To watch it live, like even if I were home
on a Friday night, we wouldn't be able to watch
it live.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
You're right, but that's yeah, that's what I'm saying is
and that's the I mean a majority I used to
work before I started it. The at my current job,
I was at a cable company, Media Com and a
lot of people sports in pro wrestling are the reason
they still have cable. Yea, those are the two saving things.

(45:38):
And this ESPN app it could very well kill Terrestrial Cable.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
No, who knows. I mean we've been we've been predicting
the death of Terrestrial Cable for a long time now.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Somehow this might be the Jack Cavord. Yeah, this no.
A lot of people say, sorry, had to adjust my
computer screen. There. A lot of people say that I
have it just because of sports. Well now, oh.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Boy, mm hmm, well we shall see all right, Well,
should we get to the main event. Yeah, the main
event our discussion about ae W and we we've talked
about a W before. What was it that we were

(46:40):
talking about before with a w C. I'm punk Oh
that's right, right, and it's also come up because of
our Cody Rhodes conversation. But yeah, there it is.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
I had such high hopes for a W.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Well, I mean they seem to have rebounded, uh somewhat.
Their ratings I think have been creeping back up, you know,
and they just did I mean to do all in
in Texas that was pretty successful. So they they do
have some some uh you know, they've had some some
good days, some good some good numbers. I mean that
the show that they did in Wembley, of course, it

(47:18):
was ill fated in some ways because of SAMPUNK. But
I think A, well, yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Don't fuck it up, don't worry, give them time.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I think I think ae W is a net positive because, uh,
you know, it gives these wrestlers more like we were
just talking about carrying cross potentially ending up there. You know,
it gives it gives wrestlers more places to work. It's competition.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Mhmm.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
One of the worst things that happened to ae W
is Vince McMahon's sex scandal.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, oh, agreed, yes.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Because what happened is a e W was promoting themselves
as this monumental shift in pro wrestling. Yeah, and then
Vince McMahon's sex scandal hit. And what ended up happening
is you now have guys in charge that are tuned

(48:24):
into the fans and listen to the fans and give
a damn what the fans think. And and then it
comes down when you have two products that are the same,
what it like really close. Now, what it comes down
to is business acumen, execution, and and just overall ability

(48:59):
to put yourself above the competitor.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
And ae W is Wiley Coyote and WWE is the
road runner. WWE from a business standpoint is always one
step ahead of Tony Kahan.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Oh yeah, well I would say more than one step.
I mean, AW is a goliath, you know, and Tony
Kahn is a you know, AW is a challenger brand
as we, as we say.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
But no, what I'm saying is Tony Kahan just hasn't
figured out how to take on WWE like it. Look
what he does is WWE does counterprogramming to his major
events with Saturday Night's main event in Okay, Tony, Saturday

(49:56):
Night's main event is locked in to a specific timeslot.
You could go to the venue and be like, hey,
how about we start an hour earlier. They can't do
that because Saturday Nights mean event is on network television.

(50:18):
Right you can with enough notice that would be one way.
Or you can sit there and say, Okay, what we're
going to do is we are going to give you
the first hour of our event for free.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
So my thought about all that is, yeah, you can
do all that. But I think the single best thing
that Tony Kahan could have should have been doing all
along is not worry so much about competing with WWE
and not getting into the strategies of trying to pete

(51:00):
and all that goes with that, But instead just find
somebody who can book your shows like the way Triple
books WWE. Because if the product is strong, if the
product is strong and people are invested, then that that
gets you. You got to worry about the other shit

(51:22):
a hell of a lot less if you're putting on consistent,
compelling television.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Weekend we talk about consistent, compelling television and having backstage people.
He rejected Brett Hart for a producer role.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Jake rejected Jake to Snake Roberts in a producer role.
I love.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, No, yes.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
You can depend on Jake. Now, maybe I don't know,
two of the greatest minds for this business, and you're like,
h no, we'd want you as an on screen manager.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
No, that is the dumbest damn thing I have ever heard.
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (52:08):
But yeah, but you know when because like like you said,
when when Vince was suddenly out, Because when Vince was
in charge of creative obviously, I mean, I you know,
I told you I went years without even sitting through
a full episode of Raw or SmackDown. I didn't even
want to bother with it. Anymore. I was so bored
with it, you know. So then Vince goes and Triple

(52:28):
H is in, and I knew. I knew right then
what was going to happen because I had been watching NXT.
Because when Triple H was running an NXC and I
first started watching NXC, I was like, Oh, holy shit,
this is what it should be, long term logical storytelling
with fully developed characters. Oh my god, here's wrestling I
can actually enjoy. And that's what AEW was supposed to be.

(52:51):
And I think it kind of was in the beginning.
But but then once once Vince was out and Triple
H was taking over created on the big shows, I
was like, uh, this is Yeah, you're right, I agree
with you. That is the worst thing that could have
happened to ae W and and Tony Kahan. He should
have found somebody who could get in there and really
or a team of people, because I guess he this

(53:14):
might be something he Invins have in common. In fact,
is it sounds like Tony Kahan wants to be in
control of everything, and and he's like, you know, but
he's got a lot to do, you know, not only
ae W, but he's got the Jacksonville Jaguars and whatever else.
You know, he needs to delegate some of the creative right.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
And the pump breaks. He doesn't have the Jaguars. He
is a corporate analyst for the Jaguars. His father has
the Jacksonville Jackons.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
No, no, I know, But I don't mean he literally
owns the team or anything. But I just mean, but
that's one.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Of his responsibilities abundantly.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
So sure, sure, yeah, yeah, but uh but but he's
got a lot on his play at the point being,
and yet he seems to want to be in control
of creative, just like Vince always wanted to be in
control creative.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
I'm gonna disagree with you to an extent. Okay, Tony
Khan is a mark. Tony Khan is a fanboy. Tony
Khan is what happens when you give a spastic kid
WWE two K twenty six and say book and give

(54:31):
him the power to book his pro wrestling organization. That's
what Tony Khan is and that's what Tony Khan is
always gonna be. Now, now, people, I've seen people compare
Tony Khan to Paul Hayman. Really, the difference is if
you gave Tony Khan, Paul Hayman's mind and gave Paul

(54:55):
Hayman Tony Khan's money. ECW would have won the Monday
Night Wars sure, without a doubt, hands down e c W.
I can't say they would have won, but but wwe
would not have bought them for pennies on the dollar.

(55:18):
They would not have gotten the Dudley Boys, they would
not have gotten Taz, they would not Mike Awsam wouldn't
have left an ECW. Rob Van Dam wouldn't be making
sporadic appearances because he's owed money.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Right.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
So you there are many, many, many, many many things
that you can sit here and pulling to YAW struggles,
and believe me, we're gonna touch on some of them.
The biggest reason AW struggles is you cannot run an

(55:58):
organization as a fan. You have to run it as
a businessman, and you have to have an understanding of
how the business a professional wrestling works, not just how
how I think it should work, No, how you think

(56:19):
it should work. Is it doesn't make it successful you Yeah, Tony,
Tony is a glorified fanboy. So that's the problem with AEW.
In every hot idea he thinks he has I would

(56:44):
say seventy percent of the time blows up in his face.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Some things have some things have worked out well. I
think probably not many. I don't watch it enough to
I don't watch AW enough to know for sure, But
let's Christian Cage has been a success in my view.
I like the whole patriarchy.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
How much is it? How much of that is Christian
cage though? Right, Like we have heard from so many
people talking about AW, how the wrestlers basically book themselves.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yeah, Justin Michaels, by the way, in the chat says
not to knock to backtrack, but he's a pretty loyal
follower of the show, so I do want to read this.
He says, Kevin Killercross and the Smoke Show should go
back to TNA Wrestling and be like he was on
the podcast.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Replace TNA wrestling with our subject for today. AW. That's
a very good point. TNA wrestling isn't going to work
for him because of the WWE partnership. Yeah, I don't think.
I mean, if that were an option, Wwe would have
done it. Yeah, Like that would make no sense. That

(58:06):
wouldn't make sense to me. I would love to see
him in TNA. I think that's what WWE should have done,
because in TNA he's a star, yeah and a I
mean in WWE he's uh, he's a big fish with
a lot of bigger fishes, so he gets lost in

(58:28):
the shuffle because you can only serve so many masters.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
I think, Uh, Now, obviously we've been critical of of
ae W. I also think though WWE, I don't know
that they necessarily need to go out of uh go
out of their way to you know, because they're there.
They do a lot of they try to counter program,

(58:55):
and we'll talk about that the TNA, the thing that
they're doing with TNA, speaking of DNA in a minute.
But I think that it might make sense more sense
for WWE to be Look, they don't have to worry
about AW being a threat to their business. But I
do think that having AW present, first of all, a
high tide raises all ships. I think, and we've talked

(59:17):
about that before, how in wrestling you need to have
competitive forces. Everybody does better when there's competitive forces involved.
I also think WWE should maybe just kind of let
you know, unofficially. Obviously they're never gonna I don't think
they're ever gonna have a direct working relationship with AEW,
but kind of let aewb a little bit of an

(59:38):
unofficial sort of developmental territory, right because WWE is so
far ahead on a business level, they don't have to
worry about AEW. But yeah, so let somebody, you know,
if they if WWE releases somebody and they go to
AWA and maybe they go to Awa and they they
build themselves up and you know, and then when their
contract is up there you grab them right back, know,

(01:00:01):
you know, just let you know who cares if people
go to AEW. Because if you remember when AEW first
launched WWE, they kind of went into this panic mode
in the very beginning. You remember this when they were
trying to lock down all these contracts and these five
year deals with everybody, even people they ended up not
even using. It was kind of weird. It was even NXC.

(01:00:22):
They like tried to sign like everybody just so AW
couldn't get them. And I thought that was a mistake
at the time. And you know, let these people get
over in AEW, so what and then you just grab
them and offer them a better deal when they become available.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Well, but here there's a problem with that one I
agree with you. But the problem with that logic is
that aw's media rights deal Warner brother Discovery isn't going
to just lut aw kind of do that. They're going

(01:00:58):
to want with the amount of money they're paying. Yeah,
so they're not going to want, Oh, let's let's let them,

(01:01:20):
let's let them go, Let's let them, let's let them
do this. Let's no, they're going to want to lock
top talent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
In talent because that's where the big money deals come from. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
But I also think a drawback to AW is their
EVPs and you cannot you cannot have a say in
overall booking as an active talent. You cannot because you're

(01:01:59):
certain greed will come into play.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Well, it's a conflict of interest.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yeah, you're going to get your buddies over. You're gonna
get yourself over and screw.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Everyone else, right, Yeah, of course, And.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
That I think has what that's something that really has
hurt a W. While the Bucks, Cody and Kenny didn't
necessarily put themselves over, it happened organically within ae W.
There are guys that did get pushes that you can
argue shouldn't have and not a detriment of others, MJF notably.

(01:02:49):
That's the other thing is aw misuses a lot of
the talent they have. MJF should be your top guy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Oh absolutely, And people are.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Like, well he is. No. MJF should be the guy
that every pay per view or p l E or
whatever the hell you want to call him is either
the co main event or the main event. I agree
with you, that guy is a generational talent in this business,

(01:03:25):
and the way he has been booked is dog shit,
dog shit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
I think at times that's been good from what I've seen,
but at other times it is not, and it's like,
what are they doing? They're just wasting him?

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Yeah, Like it's a shit I want. When he was
up to leave AEW, I was torn on it because
I'm like, there's a lot of me that was like, go,
I bet he feels that way now got this, Yeah,
But then there was some of me that I was like,

(01:04:05):
if he goes, what's that dude, A w H that
could be a death blow. Because you have Darby Allen
who takes time off to climb fucking mountains. Well, I
mean aging aging guys that are holding back people like

(01:04:30):
Chris Jericho. I don't want to see fifty year plus
year old Chris Jericho wearing a banana hammock on air
every week.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Yeah. Well the other thing too, is because you mentioned
time off. So the other weird thing that has gone on.
And I don't know why Tony Kahan does this, but
he he puts people on the bench and continues to
pay them but doesn't use them.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
They're guaranteed contracts. No, they have no down they have
no downside guarantee in ae W.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
So because their merch is not controlled by aw.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Right, it's pro wrestling t's Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Yeah, so that's another business flaw. Well yeah, I mean
people will point and say, well, WWE, their merchandise is
done by fanatics. Okay, who are you going to trust
to give you in depth numbers pro wrestling te's or

(01:05:37):
a global titan in the sports apparel business fanatics.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Well not only that, but if you go so just
as an example, and this demonstrates what you're saying. If
you go to WWE dot com to buy something, you're
buying it from WWE dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
If you go to No not anymore? Oh, is that
your w you have to go to When you click shop,
it takes you to WWE Shop, which when you go
to WWE Shop, it says on the web page of
Fanatics Experience.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
It is one Fanatics is good for WWE because all
they have to do is design the apparel, right, and
Fanatics handles the rest. Ae W has on demand printing,
and that's the other thing. You go to an AEW show,

(01:06:37):
the merch there is just so minimal because they're using
on demand print shop for their apparel, right, And it's like, well,
you want to.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
You you have this program on TNT, you're on primetime
network cable, but you're having a mom and pop joint
run your merchandise.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Yeah, that's very strange to me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Like, I get it. Pro wrestling tease, you know, one
of the probably one of the seeds that led to
AW with the popularity of the Bullet Club. Sure, Bullet
Club gets over like Rover back up the Brinks truck
print money, but yeah, I get it. But at the
end of the day that a mom and pop joint

(01:07:31):
is only going to hold you back in that essence
when you when people go to a live show, they
go to see their favorite wrestlers live, but secondary to
that they go to buy merchandise.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
It's a yeah, it's exactly like the concert business that way.
It's you're the same thing without merchant dead in the water.
You have to have merch Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
And like they have like uh Austin went to uh
their Saturday night show. They had it here in Seed Rapids,
Iowa Collision. Yes, thank you. And he said that they
had like I think he said, ten different T shirts.

(01:08:15):
That's it, that is it? Wow? And like we look
like they didn't even have a Swerve Strickland shirt. Wow. Again,
one of your top guys. What are you doing with
him right now?

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Oh, he's in a storyline with the EVPs. Oh okay.
EVPs want to be, want to be, want to be
in the mix, So work with Swerve hmm okay, I

(01:08:56):
mean in one of their buddies is the world champ
right now? Hang Me and Adam Page? Right, a guy
that he's good in the ring? Yes, But does anyone
look at Hang Me and Adam Page and say bye God, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
The guy I think is. I think his promos are
a little weak, at least the last time the last
I saw.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
His promos are just the same regurgitated crap. Yeah, he'say
crazy cowboy. I mean, it's it's a syndrome with a
lot of wrestlers these days where they get to the
top and they just coast and hang me and Adam
Page has been coasting for years in aw yeah you

(01:09:45):
because it used to be hang me and Adam Page
would wow you in the ring. Oh yeah yeah, and
now it's just like, okay, wow, hangman's wrestling. Okay, I've
seen this match fifty times already. Yeah, it's kind of
bad that Logan Paul does the buckshot lariat better than
Adam Page does.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Now, well, Logan Paul does a lot of things better
than almost anybody. It's pretty amazing. But yeah, I don't
uh but yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
That's my point is there are so many moments in
booking where people act like you just did yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Yeah, So booking pro wrestling is not hard. Listen to
the fans. Put the guys that are top guys at
the top, wash rent, repeat, print money. That's the pro
wrestling business. Tony Kahn in his Dipshit EVPs the Young Bucks,

(01:10:57):
Matt and Nick Jackson have somehow desecrated this idea to
the point where it's like rocket science, where it's a
dissertation on war and peace to get your masters mm,
and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Not well yeah, I mean I don't know. I don't know,
and I don't I don't watch AW consistently anyway, so
I don't know. I mean, they've got a lot of
very talented people there. I'll tell you. I mean, will Ospray,
my god, I'll watch any will Osprey match Swerve Strickland
you mentioned is incredible. What's up they do? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
The problem is is that you you don't have wrestling minds,
or enough of them to be like Tony uspastic little bastard. Listen,
this is not working. Yeah, oh well all right in
our clicks and Tony. The fans don't give a shit

(01:12:07):
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Long term storytelling is the key.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
They don't care. They want to see the top guys
at the top. They want to see Swer Strickland versus
mjf Right. They want to see.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Have we ever seen that? Have they ever been on
the other?

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
No, once or twice, but not a long term feud,
you know, the long term storytelling.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Thing, because I'd like to see that. Yeah, I mean
that's the thing. I mean that that I think is
really the key, I really do, And.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Don't give your if you're going to have guys at
the top or near the top, don't give them three
months off to go climb a fucking mountain. Yeah what
the fuck could.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
You even fathom, not just Vincent Kennedy McMahon, but Paul
Triple H Lovac giving talent time off to go climb
Mount Everest.

Speaker 6 (01:13:08):
No not really, I I you you want to see
how Triple H would respond to that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Go watch how he treated the tough enough kids back
in two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
I remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Yeah, what about Sean go to Shawn Michaels and be like, hey, Sean,
I know you're putting me near the top of this
NXT card. I really appreciate it, but by gob, I
want to climb a fucking mountain.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Yeah. So we should talk about because we referred to
it a couple of times. We should talk about WWE
once because they have this partnership with TNA, which I like.
I think it's a good thing for everybody. And again,
to me, it's a matter of a high tide raises
all ships. I think it's TNA is doing actually much
better these days. They seem to really have their shit together,

(01:14:04):
and uh so, I like the whole thing. I think
it's good for everybody. But WWE they want to and
I don't know if there's an update on this, and
I don't know if anyone has said this publicly or
if this is all conjecture, but they want to get
TNA into a situation where they're in primetime cable directly
competing with AW and use TNA to hurt a W,

(01:14:27):
which again I think is I don't think they should
be trying to hurt AEW. I think they should leave
them alone, let him be an unofficial developmental. But that's
that's just my opinion. But I think this is an
interesting dynamic what's happening right now.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
I think the pro it isn't. It isn't the It
comes down to fighting for talent MM. That's what all
this boils down to, and trying. I mean, WWE has
been trying to hurt AW four Day from the very beginning.

(01:15:03):
They're just doing things. The things they did before were covert,
like the WWEID where there would be wrestling schools and
independent promotions tied to WWE.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
I forgot all about that. I forgot all about that.
That was even a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Because that's where AEW was getting a lot of their talent. Yes,
the indie scene. Now you have that in their major
indie promotions. So with that, sorry I had to cough
with that. You with that, you're taking away some of

(01:15:40):
the breeding grounds, so to speak for AW. Right, now
you're saying, Okay, we're not going to put our programming
against you. We're going to try to get TNA against you,
which is more of an equal playing ground. Because now
what you're doing is I said this earlier, You're forcing
the fans to vote on to choose on an even

(01:16:03):
playing field. Yeah, because the e w IS is more
even with TNA than they are far away from WWE.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Right, So.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
I think the talent, if you's correctly in with ae
W would win out. Yeah and yeah, I think that
that's really really the key thing. I think m JF
swre Strickland will ospray if they can never get him

(01:16:40):
healthy and back working Jy. Same with Adam Cole. I
think those guys, you know, you need to be your pillars.
And I I mean, and this the their women's division
is the drizzling shits. Let's be honest. No one wants

(01:17:05):
to see Mercedes Monet with twelve belts. No, I mean one,
you're diminishing independent wrestling by doing that. That one woman
that was that walked out on WWE could come into
and just take over independent women's wrestling, right. Uh, it's

(01:17:28):
almost as bad as TNA if they try to book
Tessa Blanchard at the top of the knockouts division. You yeah,
I don't like it. I think, you know, there are
better women. I think they missed the boat on Britt Baker.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what happened there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
They missed the boat on so many women, Uh, Tayamello
on down the line. Uh, the Bonnie No, just great
women's athletes that they just didn't know how to book
because they didn't have the women's wrestling mind.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
See Scoops by the way as a story that. Uh,
there may even be a possibility of WWE buying TNA.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
I mean I think it's if they do. I think
if I'm ae W I'm I need to reevaluate how
I'm doing things right, because that isn't gonna work.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Yeah. Mmm, I'll be interesting to see what happens there,
because whatever happens there is going to happen soon, I
think mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
I think TNA's deal is up in about uh six
months or less.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Yeah hmm, all right, I don't know. So what do
you uh, what do you think is the long term
prognosis for ae W.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Well, their media rights deal is saving them right now. Yeah,
I mean they have a very good media rights deal,
and Eric Bischoff has alluded to that if you have
a good media rights steal, you can survive. Right now.
Do they uh do they survive past this media rights steal?

(01:19:43):
That's the larger question? And they can? They have the talent,
They just got to get the wrestling minds in there,
uh to kind of just be like Tony sign the checks,
make big business to decisions, but you cannot be creative

(01:20:04):
because you can't separate Tony the businessman from Tony the fan.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
I really think turning that, I think, I really think
doing that would turn everything around for them. I really do.
There's so much potential there, so much talent, so much
great talent, as you mentioned, that should be at the top.
And listen, you know, being able to do those big
crowds like in Texas at all in that's not nothing,
that's that's not the sign of a dying promotion.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
So they people people want to see this, well, yeah,
I want.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
To see them succeeding.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Yeah, they want to see it in the right conditions. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and the right conditions are not hang me in Adam
Page at the top, right. You know, MJF is winning
all these stupid rings and battle royals and what's come

(01:20:58):
of it? One title ring? Really, John Moxley's had John
Moxley has had more title reigns than m JF.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Yeah, yeah, justin stead if tn A Wrestling gets on
paramount n CW yeah, I mean, it would be uh,
you know, and and again TNA, I think they would
Uh I don't know how much of an audience they'll
drop there in a slot like that, but but uh,
they're kind of I mean, I think the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Big talk is us A. That's yeah, that's kind of
the implication is USA Network.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
USA would make sense because USA, of course is a
part of NBC Universal, as is Peacock and and and
that's that's been part of the reporting is that u
W WUE is trying to leverage their relationship with NBC
Universal to to get them get them on there. Yeah.
So yes, all right, Well do you have anything, Do

(01:22:04):
we have anything else to say about AW or have
we exhausted the subject?

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
I mean, I mean their mistakes have been bigger than
their successes. And that's a problem with the pro wrestling business.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Yeah, is if.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Your mistakes how they handled the cmpunk situation horrible, horrible
and and and let's let me say this, and I
said it during the cmpunk episode. Cmpunk's words after all
out in their press conference non defensible should not happen.

(01:22:52):
That's also on Tony Kahn did and if that in
the bud right when it's happening, not sit there and say,
oh I should have addressed it. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Yeah, that was pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
And then you go on TV and say your life
you felt like your life was in danger, and you
release the tape. When the tape vindicate cm punk, right,
it's just like, what are you doing? So yeah, and

(01:23:30):
then there's there just yeah, I I don't know. There
is a love affair with Chris Jericho. And yes, Chris
Jericho is given a lot to AW.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Oh yeah, cool, he's the first champion, but at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
And that was a major mistake in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Oh well, making Jericho the first champion. Yeah, someone younger
and fresher.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
It should have been Kenny Omega.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Yeah, that would have imperfect. Actually, I agree with you.
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Like people people will. People sit there and they're like, oh,
well that you you're bashing EVPs getting over. I'm not
bashing the EVPs getting over. I'm bashing the EVPs putting
themselves over when it doesn't make sense, right Omega, Kenny
Omega was the hottest talent in pro wrestling at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
It would have been a bigger statement if he had
If it had been him, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Why wouldn't you do Kenny Omega?

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Although, now, if they hadn't gone with Jericho, though, we
might have gotten we might have been deprived by one
of the great backstage moments in wrestling history. You know
what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Oh God, don't say it. Don't do it, Matt, don't
don't don't do it. A little bit of the bubbly.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
We might have been deprived of that. Hey, I could
have pulled up the video and played it please, but
I chose not to. Am I not benevolent?

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
I know? Because I still had to endure hearing it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
I mean, that went viral at the time, which did
bring Auw some attention, right because they had.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
And it was funny that he was pouring champagne on himself.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
And I love and I did love the spinal tap
reference too with the food. He's like, there's a little
guy in there. That was funny because of the Spinal
Tap is my favorite movie, so I did appreciate the
spinal tap reference.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Uh, yeah, I've never seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
You've never seen this as spinal tap? Oh you must.
You would definitely enjoy it, you would love it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
I I have not, mainly because I'm not I really have.
I really don't care for Rob Reiner.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
I think you could get past it and enjoy the movie, though.
I mean, I really enjoy the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
I do. I did enjoy. I do enjoy Princess Bride.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Yeah, and aren't you aren't you in All in the Family?

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Fan?

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
I thought you liked All the Family.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
I'm tem Archie. Okay, yeah, I'm tem Archie. I often
find myself outside of the bigotry, agreeing with Archie on
a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Okay, outside of the bigotry. You want to make that
clear though.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Yeah, outside of the bigotry. Although some of his bigoted comments,
I do chuckle at because.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Well, of course it's funny. But to me, All in
the Family is the greatest sitcom in the history of television.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
But I have it. I have it behind Seinfeld. I
think Seinfeld really kind of changed what a was.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Seinfeld would be probably my number two actually, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Actually you have All in the Family number three.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Okay, what's number number two?

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Personal favorite? Married with children?

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Okay, I could take it or leave it. It was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
I would never go in my high school yearbook when
they asked that age old question, where do you want
to be at our twenty year reunion? I said I
wanted to be the human Al Bundy. Yeah, I wanted
to sell women's shoes and just have a miserable life.

(01:27:37):
But it was all made better by trips to the
newdie Bar.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
And you know I did end up selling shoes for
a while. I was a manager at Trade Home Shoes
in Mason City, Iowa.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Well you did it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
I did it. There were days I'd wear I would
wear my uh Al Bundy no ma'am shirt under my.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Oh yeah, no, ma'am. I remember that. I remember that,
all right. So any anything we didn't cover on aw
that you want to decide.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
I don't want people to misconstrued. I do want AW
to be successful because you hit it out of you
hit it perfectly. Rising Tide. You know that line.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Sorry, Rising Tide raises all ships.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
There we go buy a boom. I do agree with that.
I think it's I think it's accurate. And yeah, I
A W has all the tools to succeed. They gotta
make some major changes with how things work behind the scenes.
And if they can do that, fine, I mean shit,

(01:28:52):
bring Jim Cornett on. Yeah, you're gonna piss off a
lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
I remember I'm talking about that though, Like I think
someone had asked him. A listener of his podcast had
asked him, you know, because they read what's his name
Brian last reads questions from listeners. Somebody asked him about that,
if you'd ever do it, and he said no, he
has no interest in going back to actively working in
the rest. But he makes so much money with that
show and his Cornet's collectibles, he doesn't need to go back.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Well, he's made so much money over the years.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
I mean, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Keep in mind, Jim Cornett came from money. His family
was wealthy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
That's true, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Yeah, so Cornett really could pave his own way.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
And the money he's made over the years he's lived
from if you listen to something to Wrestle with Bruce Pritchard,
he lives quite frugally. Yeah, so he he doesn't need
the money. So if he's gonna sit there and just say, hey,

(01:29:57):
I have no desire to return to the it's more
power to it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Can't blame him.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Yeah, no, the only the only one, someone like Jim
Cornett needs to be Yeah, in in in uh ae w.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
That would fix it. Just someone who understands long term
storytelling like Triple H does, and you know that these
guys are in the business, or these girls are in
the business, or a team of people whatever. That one
thing would turn everything around for them. They're never going
to catch up to WWE, that's impossible, but but they
could do much more consistent and just be in a

(01:30:35):
much better place within the market if they made that
one change.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
And they have totally devalued their championship. Yeah, hot shotting
it back and forth and like what's your belt? What? What?
What's your title? Even mean? There are there are pls
where their Championship match hasn't been the main event. Yeah

(01:30:59):
what what? What the hell are you saying? You know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
The other thing that occurs to me too is I
can't think of anything that WWE has done that has
in any way directly benefited ae W. But I can,
but there are definitely things that were ae W I
think has unwittingly benefited WWE. CM Punk's return started with
a W and and his showing up, his surprise appearance

(01:31:24):
that night at Survivor Series when he came back meant
more because of ae W his experience there, in my opinion,
otherwise it might not even happen.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Same with Cody Rhoads. We had that conversation. Now you
did sway me my opinion about that about you know,
would would would Cody Roads? Would he have returned in
the fashion that he did to WWE had it not
been for AW. You did sway me a bit. But
it's still it meant even more though it meant even
more than it would have otherwise because of a W
and then WWE got to actually steal one of the

(01:31:57):
e vps from ae W, that and up being a
part of the whole thing. So there there are you
know you can point to ways where ae W has
been a direct ballot WWE Stephanie Vaquier, Oh that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Yes, you book her on one on one of your
pay per views, but she doesn't have a deal, right, Yeah,
and she tears the house down.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Yeah, because she's she's incredible. She's incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Yeah, good work. And I think that was one of
their cross promotional shows too, they did with like CMLL
or something. Uh, it might have been Forbidden Door.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
I was gonna say one of their Forbidden Door shows.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Yeah, so so yeah. I mean they even have great
international partnerships they use. They have a partnership with New Japan, Like,
why aren't they using that more?

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Right, that's a good question.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
You're giving talents off. You're giving talents time off to
climb fucking mountains, but not go over for one of
the greatest pro wrestling events, the g One Climax. The
hell are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
Yeah, and dip ship Darby over there. Look.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
I like Darby Allen. I do not, No, I liked
I like him. I like him.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
He's a spot monkey.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
But that that moved the coffin drop terrifies me when
I see it. Terrifies me.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
I think he's dangerous in the ring. I I think
he's a step above Sammy Callahan with a little more ability. Wow, okay,
a ship show, mud show, flea market pro wrestler that
likes his flippy do dipsy do dunkaroo spots that make

(01:33:51):
no damn sense. Yeah, m endangering fans by being thrown
through a giant pain a glass that isn't candy glass.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Oh that's not good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
No, and it shards bounce up and hit fans in
the face. And then he gets sued.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Yeah no, that's not good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Yeah, no, and and and Yeah. Guy's a dip shit.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Well he's young, perhaps he'll illmature. No, a young guy,
isn't he? Is he like in his early twenties.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
I think he's in near thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Oh still, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
That makes him a bigger dip shit. There's nothing more.
There's nothing more sad and pathetic than an aging extreme
it work extreme.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Right? Uh all right? So have we exhausted the subject
of aw All Elite Wrestling?

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
Thank god?

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
So what are we doing for the main event next week?
I don't think we discussed it?

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
Did we did not?

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
I think you know we're gonna you know, I've been
I mentioned this to you a couple of times. Uh,
I want to do a Gone Too Soon episode.

Speaker 7 (01:35:08):
Gone without talk about some legends that left us too
soon or left us you know, and you know we
still you know, we still talk about him today. Idea
Kurt Henning, Owen Hart, you know, guys, that and that
means I will get to tell my amazing Rick Rude story.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Oh yeah, do you want to hear that?

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
Yes, Jake the Snake Roberts.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Okay, okay, good? So should we do that next week?

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Yes? Macho me and Randy Savage.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Yep, of course, my favorite. I also think maybe two
next week we should talk just uh, we don't have
to spend a lot of time on it, but wwe
unreal uh, which which I really enjoy Jenny and I
watched that and really enjoyed it. But but maybe we
should touch on that next week too. We're gonna get clicks,

(01:36:02):
Matt Oh, good, good, Okay, we're gonna get clicks. All
I'm gonna say is poor Chris Park, poor guy.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Oh put the mask back on. Goodness gracious?

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
All right, So I guess that'll do it. We'll put
episode fourteen in the books.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Yes, yeah, yeah, it was a good episode, all right, yeah,
aw fix your shit?

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
Well, very good. Thank you everyone who joined us on
the live stream, and of course, uh thank you to
everyone who gets this on the Remember to subscribe if
you have not already too tough bumps on your favorite
podcasting platform of choice? Eric, Where should people go online
to keep up with everything that you're doing?

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
They can visit on let's see here. I'm a little
tired today, so yeah, it's been a rough week at work.
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Pilcher p I L C H E R.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
All right, very good, and you can follow me Matt
connorton dot com is the easiest way to find me.
And you can find the show there too, so the
archive of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
And you know, damn the Farmers Almanac.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Oh yeah, Farmers Almanac. Why do people believe in that?
It's never right? Because they just make it up, they do.
They just make it up. They have some secret formula.
It's reputed to involve astrology. It's all just made up
and it's never right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
Matt. There are people that still believe in the Maga movement.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
That's true, that's true. Can't can't can't help some people.
All right, We're out of here. Thanks Eric, Thanks everybody,

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our folks.

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