episode 15: Raja Jackson, Stephanie McMahan, Ashley Massaro, Vince's Birthday Party, Maven

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
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we Beginden Macy. I would father up the same mistles
on the Tough Boss Name.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hey everyone, welcome. It is episode fifteen of Tough Bumps.
My name is Matt Connerton and my partner in crime
in this endeavor all the way from Iowa, Eric Pilcher,
is here. Hello.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Eric, Good afternoon, sir.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Good afternoon. I don't know what our live viewership will
be like today, obviously, because as we're doing this, WWE's
Clash in Paris is ongoing. Jenny and I were watching,
but you know, we paused.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
It and it's Notre Dame game day.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Oh wow, so even busier for you. I presume six point.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Thirty tonight, cat clicks versus Convicts.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
So what do you do at that point? Do you do?
Do you? Uh? You just watch Clash later? Does the
game come first? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
The game comes firstly. I'll probably read the recap for
Clash and get a feel of what matches I want
to see, and then I'll watch the matches I want
to see. These international cards don't do it for me
because there isn't any like, there isn't a chance of

(01:34):
anything really big happening. M You know there are like
in the main event, there's zero too, there's zero chance
that the title changes hands. So why am I gonna watch?
Is it gonna be a good match? Yes, because you

(01:54):
have four very good wrestlers in it, and yeah, it's
gonna be good. But I can watch a good match
between those four on Monday night raw. I don't need
to watch an international card to see that.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
True.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
So yeah, I I don't know. I just I will watch.
I will watch it. I'm not a posed or against
watching it because it's not happening in Riata. Yeah, yeah, Riod.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
So well, so we have a few things for the
undercard and obviously our main event this week. I won't
surprise anyone who's gonna be Rajah Jackson.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's a pivot. It's a pivot. If people recall we
were gonna do Dawn but not forgotten. Oh yes, and uh,
this is just there are times in the business that
we do, Matt, and I know you'll agree with this
where we have to pivot.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yes, that is true. That's quite true. Well, because we
were just talking about I figured it would make sense
for our first subject to be and there she is
for those of you watching live. Stephanie McMahon in The
Wrestling News this week, and this relates to what we
were talking about about watching things internationally and so forth,
because Stephanie made a comment on her podcast, so she's

(03:21):
actually got two ventures going, right. So she's got Stephanie's
Places that show, and she's got the podcast. I forget
what the podcast is called.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Now tell me your story.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Tell me your story. And she was talking about the
deal for which has been accelerated for those who don't know,
So this will be the clash, right, this is the
last pay per view on Peacock and then it goes
to ESPN or pl E. Sorry I'm living in the past.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yes it does. But I actually want to tell people something. Yeah,
I share a Hulu membership with someone and they have
EPN Plus and their bundle. Oh, and got automatically upgraded
to the ESPN Unlimited.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Really yes, interesting.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
If you have the bundle that has Disney Plus, Hulu
and ESPN Plus, you get automatically upgraded to ESPN Unlimited
because it's the same price. Okay, they're running a special
now where if you sign up and get for all three,
you get it for twenty eight ninety nine a month

(04:32):
for one year. Okay, so there you go, no need
to be pirates or VPN raiders.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Ohoy. Maybe. Well, Stephanie, I feel, as I was telling
you before the show, I feel vindicated because Stephanie McMahon
actually said on her podcast regarding this matter, because obviously
a lot of people, including people like me for example,
who don't have ESPN, who don't watch any sports, wrestling
is the only close to a sport. What's that? Yes,

(05:07):
there are those of us who who who only watch
wrestling but do not enjoy legitimate sporting contests. Yeah, maybe
a little UFC, although I haven't even watched uf seen
a long time, but.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Now it'll be free.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Well, Stephanie made a comment on her podcast that you know,
you can always get a VPN and and just watch
uh and and so I feel vindicated because Stephanie McMahon,
the wife of Paul Triple h Levek, who I'll just
remind everyone briefly is originally from Nashville, New Hampshire. Uh,
Stephanie has said, hey, why don't you just get a VPN?

(05:49):
So uh yeah, so that's still the plan now now,
I do believe though, Uh isn't her podcast sponsored by
one of the big VPNs.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yes, and she actually shared a code where you could
get a discount on the VPN.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Did she really? Yes? She did. That's awesome. The loss
I love Stephanie McMahon and I always have.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
The conservative in me is going to come out right here.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
I thought you were more of a centrist these days.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, centrist, but the conservative side. I say center, center.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Right, center right, okay, center.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Right, you say center left, and I like that, so
I adopted it center.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Right, gotcha?

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Okay, Triple H, check your wife. Get this woman under control.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Oh my goodness, what is she doing?

Speaker 3 (06:46):
I guarantee you she got an ask to and in
not the kind Paul gives her in the bedroom.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Matt, Well, I don't you know. I don't know. If
I don't know, if our friend Triple H is you know,
his heart is not what it once was. He's got
to be better, be careful in terms of anything too strenuous.
Uh but but yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Hey, if Stephanie ever needs a younger buck, so he
can give me a call.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well, apparently the code is code STEPH, and you can
get a VPN.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
That is the code code Steph.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
I love Stephanie McMahon. Thank you, Stephanie, You've made all
our lives better. No, my life is just the same.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I have a bum shoulder, and I'm doing a and
I'm doing a podcast, Like there is no change in
my life right now.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, yeah, this is uh. There's an article here from
UH wrestlingnewsource dot com. Stephanie McMahon's VPN ad read reportedly
raises his eyebrows at ESPN. So, just to be clear,
this was an actual ad read. This wasn't even an
ad that just happens to run during her podcast. This
is this is an actual ad read, which means she

(07:59):
was actually eating the ad on the air. Fantastic, you
know what.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
I'm TESPN in this.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Keep your mouth.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Shut, don't ruin this. Actually, I actually have given ESPN
Unlimited a whirl. Yeah this weekend. I love it. I
love it. I wouldn't spend thirty bucks a month on it,
but it's pretty awesome.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, well, I wouldn't eat. I wouldn't spend any money
on it because I'm not a sports fan, but I
am willing to pay. You know, I'm willing to use
code staph and get myself a cheap VPN. Thank you, Stephanie.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Like is it a cheap VPN or is it a
free VPN?

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Like I don't think it's free. Is it with the code?
If it's free, that's even better. Hell hell yeah, you
know what.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
I that's all you. You can give it a try
and report back to us. I'm not even gonna tinker
with this.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Man, I'm a man of principle and scruples. I can
be ramrodded with fees and right and just be totally
content with it.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Right, Okay, I mean not content.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
I mean I gripe every time I like, I'm at
work and I get a notification HBO Max charged to
you ten sixty nine. You were charged seven dollars for Peacocky.
I get Paramount plus free because I have Walmart Plus.
Because I have my groceries delivered. Oh okay, because I'm

(09:43):
bougie like that.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Wow, look at you.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
I yeah, I get my groceries delivered.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
I think I should just leave Stephanie's picture there for
the rest of the show. What do you think an
honor of He's a great woman.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Beautiful as she is. I don't think she would want
to be associated with the main event because w w
Rie has already cut ties with the main event.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
That's a good point. Yeah, very good. We will honor.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
I don't will know that Stephanie smack scares me.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, she's got the best smack in the business. Yeah,
she'd say slap. Saying smack makes it sound like she's
doing drugs or something.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
She gets that, she gets that pivot with that wrist.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Oh. May I tell you in my younger days, that
might have been a turn on?

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Sure, sure, you know, like a fair fair enough?

Speaker 3 (10:46):
You know, well that might be for Matt Connorton Unsheathed.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yes, that Matt Connorton Unsheathed, which is only available on
the dark web. I can't even tell you whether or
not it is available on legally prohibited everyone.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Use code Matt to get into Matt Connorton Unsheathed. I'm
gonna be the Stephanie McMahon of this podcast and give
you the code to get into it. Use code mat.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Mm hmmmm hmm, all right, fair enough.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
If you use code ratso fatso you get your first
month for free.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Mm that's right.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Did I just see you drinking a can of Coke
zero sugar?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (11:32):
So you come at me for mountain dew.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Scott sugar in it, doesn't it?

Speaker 3 (11:37):
No, this is zero sugar.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Oh okay, well that's good. Yeah. I just don't like
mountain dew personally, but.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Mountain dew is just pure Americana.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
I might be jaded a little bit. I m out
of when I was in high school. All the jocks
would walk around school all day chewing tobacco and spinning
it into their empty Mountain Dew bottles, and so that
might have uh jaded me a little bit, like for real,
like it was nasty.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
You know, there was I'll tell my mountain dew story
since you told yours. Mine's awesome.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Okay, we'll say goodbye to Stephanie by Steph great, great woman.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Very beautiful. I would you know there was a year,
I want to say nineteen spring of ninety eight when
Mountain Dew had a promotion where every bottle of mountain
dew or diet mountain dew, you bought a bottle and
on the cap it had a college basketball team. H

(12:38):
If that team won the NCAA tournament, you sent in
your cap and you were sent a free jersey, but
you were also entered into a million dollar drawing.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
So that year Duke was the presumptive favorite. Everyone was.
People would put five dollars in the vending machine at
school get five bottles just to try to get the
Duke cap.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Funny enough.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I got the Duke cap. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
The day after they lost in the sweet sixteen to Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
And then after the contest was over, I bought another
bottle because at that point I'm addicted to mountain dew
and I had to drink diet mountain dew because I
had braces. And you can't have regular mountain dew with braces.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah. Why can't you have regular mountain dew with bracelets?

Speaker 3 (13:40):
The sugar sticks to the braces themselves and can perrode
your teeth.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Oh no, kidding.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Interesting, You're not supposed to have regular soda with braces.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
I don't know that it's supposed to be diet. Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
So I after the contest was over, I was seeing
my aunt and uncle in Connecticut. I opened a bottle
and just had a habit. I looked at the cap
and it said Kentucky. You Kentucky won the national championship
that year. I threw the whole bottle out the window

(14:18):
and do a ditch because I was just so mad.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yeah, a full bottle, but that greatly contributed to my
mountain dew, my love of mountain dew.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
That's what they do. They get you hooked. It's good promotion.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Well you should try to get this podcast sponsored by
mountain Dew. Yes, I mean, it doesn't serve any benefit
to you, but I'd take it.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Sure, Sure, I'd like to get a VPN to sponsor us.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
But h we'll discuss that off air.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Uh. While should we move on to uh new? Uh?
We got kind of a double barrel of Vince.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Maybe we shouldn't use the terminology double barrel on this one.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Uh yeah, cripple really because there's also news about his
car accident. Apparently he's trying to have the whole thing
thrown out, but.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Of course he is. Why wouldn't he.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
An eighty year old man probably shouldn't be driving. But
there's a new story and we'll get uh, we'll get
her up here, Ashley Mazarro. She had made some some
allegations apparently privately to some people. I forget exactly Ashley Mazarrow.
Of course, why didn't she pass away?

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Let me take I can get that ten.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I feel like it was about ten years ago.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
No, I feel it was a lot sooner. Oh yeah,
many of twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Oh, twenty nineteen, Okay, it seemed like it seemed like
it was longer ago. The pandemic really screwed up time
perception for a lot of people. I think you so
right before the pandemic. Pandemic. Actually, if I was twenty nineteen,
so after she had was it after she had passed
away that we found out that she had all the

(16:20):
terrible things that happened to her, She had been a
victim of sexual assault and was it Saudi Rabia? Allegedly
during during during allegedly yeah, during the uh one of
those tribute to the troops shows that they used to do.
Ww we used to do and uh now there's a
story that she actually on a on a plane on

(16:43):
a plane trip. I assume it was that same trip,
do we know?

Speaker 3 (16:47):
No, it was a different it was a different trip.
It was an international tour.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Okay, they don't.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
They didn't do international tours for tribute to the troops.
It was go there, do the show, come.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Back, gotcha? So she was so they were on a
plane for this international tour, and Vince McMahon said, you know,
everybody can go ahead head on off the plane, but
I'm gonna stay back here with Ashley.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Well, but no, the allegation is a former writer made
the allegation, and I actually had the article pulled up.
Basically the former writer is Dan Saint Germain. He appeared
as a guest on the Being Ian with Jordan podcast.

(17:36):
Whatever the hell that is?

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Basically, uh, Jermaine spoke of the incident, and I'll apologize
in advance. There is going to be some sexually graphic
not uh statements here. Just quoting verbatim. Jermaine said that
Narra the incident how he started fingering Ashley Mazarro on

(18:04):
the flight and upon reaching their destination, they were all
ordered to get on the runway and watch them do it.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
He said.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
They were on a European trip and Vince started fingering
Ashley Mazaro on the flight and then Vince goes, when
they get on the tarmac, all right, everyone get on
the tarmac. They all went on the tarmac and watched
as the as the fucked plane bounced back and forth.
He is an absolute maniac.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Jesus, Yeah, have you go ahead.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
No, no, you you can go.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I was curious if you would if you had ever
seen that segment that that they did. I don't remember
what show was on the wwe did where Vince was
very mean, very very mean on camera andliated Ashley Massarrow.
Do you know the segment I'm talking about?

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Vaguely? I think if we talk about Vince humiliating a female,
the more infamous one is.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
The oh tris stratus. Of course, yeah, there's there's there's
another very humiliating incident with Ashley Massorrow that allegedly, according
to the timeline that people have a pieced together, came
after she said no, I'm not going to uh be
your side chick anymore or whatever, or or ever. But
I think now we know that apparently something did allegedly

(19:36):
happen between them. I'm not sure why this writer would
make that up. So it sounds credible, and everything about
the story sounds consistent with what we know about Vince McMahon.
So but it is, uh but he is the only
person who's No one's corroborated this specific story yet, correct, No.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
No one, uh, no one has uh you know, I
mean one. It's unfortunate because Ashley Masarrow die due to suicide,

(20:16):
and I mean, you know, and there are others other
women that have Hannahkimura and Daphney as well that you know,

(20:38):
you you hear these stories and you're like, man, why
didn't anyone say anything? Why didn't anyone do anything? Why
didn't you know? Because even then when it happened, you
have to you should have a sense of moral obligation.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's amazing what people can can look the other way
on though, you know what, you know what this reminds
me of because when this story broke, when when this
story broke originally and this isn't doesn't have to do
with wrestling, but college football, because I had just started
Matt connorton Unleashed as a podcast. It was a summer
of twenty eleven, and it was shortly after that and
I remember yelling about this on the podcast Sandusky and

(21:33):
that guy Mike McWethy who walked in on San.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Dusky mcquery, mcquery, mcquarie.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
I thought it was Mcwethey, it's McQuary, mcquery. Okay, So
Mike McQuary walks in on Sandusky, you know, raping a
child and goes to talk and goes to tell Joe Paterno,
and I just remember screaming into the microphone over this,
like how do you not go to the police when
you see something like that?

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Like what like what is the malfunction? And there's no
excuse in my mind for you know, you walk walking
on somebody raping a child, you go to the police.
I don't care who it is, no one. Yeah, And
I don't mean, I don't mean a sidetrack us, but
I'm just but but these are the thoughts I have
when I hear about, you know, these terrible things that
happened to people, and people will see this and they

(22:20):
just fucking look the other way. It's like, why it's.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
One, I'm the token sports guy on this show. Yes,
so I you gotta understand and state at that point
in time, Yeah, there's and this isn't. What happened at
Penn State was deplorable. It's just awful.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
I don't want anyone to construde that I'm defending Graham
Spaniard or any one involved in this. Yeah, there was
a pecking order at Penn State, especially within Penn State football.
Joe Paturno was judge jury executioner you did not deviate

(23:19):
from that. Matt mcquery was a former player, a graduate
assistant you. I'm going to guess that he and he
stated this that he felt he did his responsibility, Yeah,

(23:42):
I know, by reporting it to Paterno.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
And then people were like, well, did Turno fulfill his
moral obligation? Yeah. I think Paterno, with his advanced stage,
did what he felt was appropriate because in his in
his time, people didn't talk about this, and if you

(24:08):
read articles about Paterno at that point in time there
you could argue very diminished mental faculties about it.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
There are articles.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
That during this he didn't have an idea of what
was going on. The movie Paterno HBO made where Alpatino
plays Joe Paterno, brilliant film. Everyone should if you want
a greater understanding. His family's trying to talk to him
about this, and he says, I'm preparing for Northwestern. I

(24:45):
don't know what you guys are talking about.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
So look.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
The fact that Joe should Joe of report, Joe should
have reported it to police and done more. I think
mcquery did what he thought was best, and unfortunately there
was probably a lot of fear that he had about
man if I go above Joe, what's this due to

(25:16):
my coaching career? What's this due to my Oh?

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Sure, yeah, he was worried about himself. Yeah, I know,
I get it. And you walk into a shower and
somebody's raping a child, you don't worry about yourself. That's
a scumbag move on his part. You go to the
fucking police. I get that.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
This is more devil's advocate. Okay, okay, why he didn't
I'm not defending him not going to police?

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Okay, good.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
The devil's advocate is no that.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I've heard his excuses.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, and he in sworn court documents. This is the
part I don't like. He said I didn't really know
what I saw. There's no ambiguity between what you saw.
And I do believe the moment he realized that nothing

(26:16):
was being done, he should have done something more. Yeah,
but that whole situation is a mess. It was mishandled
by everyone, including the NCAA when they handed down the punishment. Sure,
because you punished individuals that had nothing to do with it.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Oh, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Well, they took away bull games from the kids, and
it's like those kids didn't go to school then, and
I get a punishment had to be levied, but the
punishment was your punishing kids that were still either in
middle school or high school when this happened. Yeah, it

(27:05):
just none of it felt right to.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Me, right, Yeah, no, I get that.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
But yeah, the situations are glaringly similar. The only difference
is we don't vilify Vince McMahon like we do Joe Paterno.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Well we do. I mean you and I, You and I.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
I'm saying the common the common pro wrestling fan doesn't
vilify Vince like they should, right right. They vilify Stephanie,
they vilify Paul Leavec, they vilified Nick Kahn, they vilify Endeavor. Yeah,
well we don't know what happened the man ship on

(27:44):
a woman like what?

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (27:47):
That world are we living in?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Just to clarify for people listening that that's referring to
Janelle Grant, not not Ashley Massarrow. Although God only knows
what he did with Ashley Massarro, whatever it was, it
caused her mass of PTSD. I have no doubt about that.
I don't know, we'll never know if that contributed to
her suicide directly, but I very well might have.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
And that's just I guess that it didn't help. I mean,
not to sound cold and callous on that. It certainly
didn't make things better.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
No, we'll never know. We'll never know.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
But I think the rape, I mean, it's alleged, but
how would you feel going to your boss? Allegedly she
went to Vince and told Vince about it, and Vince
is like, well, we have a good relationship over there.
We don't want to rock the boat on this.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Oh you're talking about when, oh, right, when Ashley Massaro
about the sexual assault in Saudi Arabia? Was a Saudi
or was it Kuwait? Or where? Where was it again?
I don't I don't even remember now, but it was
on one of those if you want to tribute to
the troops shows. But yeah, I mean, I mean, I
guess it doesn't. That detail doesn't necessarily matter, but.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
The point tour of Kua ka Wait okay.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Posing as a doctor in that Wwe apologized but persuaded
her not to report it to the appropriate authorities as
they didn't want it to affect the company's relationship with
the military.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Right right, Yeah, just disgusting, so disgusting. Yeah, I mean,
whenever and and by the way. I mean, you know,
just I think probably good advice for anyone in any
kind of employment situation when you have someone in authority
telling you, hey, please don't go to the police about this.

(29:35):
It's gonna mess things up for it.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
To the police. Yeah, I mean, even in a Penn
State situation. No, that that that's inexcusable because you're not
You're not. The situation isn't going to be made better.
Predators don't just stop, right right. They don't just sit

(30:00):
there and say, oh, hey, guess what, I've got my
fill right, No.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
As long as there's no consequences, I'll continue, And even
if there are consequences, they might continue.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
But well, there were consequences for Sandusky, and he kept going.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
I mean he lost his locker room privileges. So he
just took him on vacations and did it elsewhere, did
in swimming pools, in hotels, wrote a book called Touched.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, yes, he did. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
So so if you look, if anyone out there sees
anything or knows anything regarding sexual assault or anything, report
it to the authorities, because then you then you can say,
if anything, the smallest I did my part.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, if not, you know, if for
no other reason, you know, even even selfishly, so you
can have a clear conscience. How anyone can know about
this stuff and not say anything. I don't know how
this night, you know.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
And again we reference the Penn State fallout, because there
hasn't been a fallout in regards to Vince in his proclivities.
He made billions when he sold WWEE and left. He
still has stock in TKO.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Well there, I mean, well, I mean there has been
some fallout. I mean, they don't they don't have anything
to do with him. They don't acknowledge him, they don't,
you know, But a guy like Vince, they keep him
at arm's length. A guy like.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Vince, do you think he really cares? I mean, I'm
sure the ego part of him is upset.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Oh, I'm sure, yeah, I would think so.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
But he still has his manchin. Oh.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, at the end of the day, he's fine. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
True, he doesn't have to deal with the stress of
the he doesn't have to deal with the stress anymore.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, well should we?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Would that be? That might be a good segue into
the birthday parties since we're talking about Vince, right.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Oh, boy, Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
So apparently, so this picture was taken by well, not
taken by Jerry the King Lawler, but this was something
that he had posted correct on his Instagram, yes, and
was asked to remove it by someone. I don't know
if we know who said hey, can you take that down?
But this is from Vince McMahon's eightieth birthday party. I

(32:42):
guess Vince didn't want to be photographed himself, probably because
if you saw Vince in the Hull Cogan documentary on TMZ,
he looked like a bloated corpse. But Vince is a
very strange look in these days. But so here's this picture.
Let's see. So we have the mis and Maurice, from
left to right, Titus O'Neill, Jerry the King Lawler, Seamus

(33:04):
and Drew McIntyre, all attending Vince's eightieth birthday party. By
the way, reports from the party were that Vince is
looking very old and uh kind of rough.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Uh and Teddy Long has pushed back against that, saying
he looked fine. Really, his face might have been a
little swollen or something like that, but he looked nice
to me.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Okay, so now do we know the oh John Cena
was there too, right.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Triple H was present. Stephanie McMahon did not attend.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Triple H. I didn't think Triple H was there. Triple
H was there. Yes.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
According to Teddy Long, real entertainment for the weekend included
Jelly rolling an all black choir. Well, brother, good thing
the Hulkster's dead, because he wouldn't have supported that.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
No, he not have. No, I don't know. He would
have been fine with it as long as none of
them were brought a white woman with them to the event.
That's that was his that was his line.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Maybe they were million dollar basketball players, Matt He seemed
to like them.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yes, that's true. That's true. You ever watch I might
have asked you this once before a JD from n
why his YouTube channel, I do not You don't like
people with New York accents? Correct? I hate New York
in general, That's what I thought, So JD for men,
why has a pretty thick New York accents.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Stick in enema into the United States of America. It
would go into New York City.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Okay, not Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
That's not no, not Pittsburgh. I'm paraphrasing the Great Brad
Heart there.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I hate.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
I hate New York.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
So so JD form n why he's He's got some
really good takes U So I enjoy his content and
I tend to agree with him on things. And he
he really went off about this party. He basically went
off on everyone who went and said, why do these
guys want to be associated with a scumbag like Vince McMahon.

(35:14):
He's been very tough on Vince, and he says they
don't owe him anything. Do they feel like like they
owe him something for their careers because they don't. You know,
Vince made millions of dollars off of these people, So
Vince benefited from them just as much as they benefited
from him. So why do they feel like they have
to like they're somehow obligated to go to his party?

(35:36):
And when JD says it though, it's very entertaining. I
know you don't like New York accents, but you might
want to check out JD from NY You might you
might enjoy him, but well, I mean.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Look, my hatred for New York none was standing. Yes,
somebody here are some of the names in attendance. Okay, Undertaker,
John Cena, JBL, Seamus Drew, McIntyre, Maurice Tied O'Neil, and
Bruce Pritchard. More current WWE talent were also present, though
not named directly. Those who showed up weren't met with

(36:13):
universal approval. Fightful spoke to several wrestlers and insiders who
expressed mixed feelings about attending a party for me and
currently embroiled in serious legal trouble. Some of the attendees
admitted there was a moral conflict and even showing up once.

(36:34):
Sour said, a lot of people here feel like they
opened something, even though he made his money back on
them tenfold. Right Another WWE talent who chose not to
attend told Frightful that some wrestlers are waiting to see
how the court case plays out before making decisions about
their relationship with McMahon. They explained that's what they'd want

(36:55):
if the shoe was on the other foot. There was
no official w W involvement in this article. Reports. Top
company execs like Triple H, Stephanie McMahon, and Nick con
were not in attendance. A higher up told some talent
it was their personal choice whether to attend or not.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, t k O didn't. They didn't tell anybody not
to go. In other words, right, they didn't say they
didn't forbid anybody from going. But but see, that's where
the conflict is over Triple H. Because according to that report,
Triple H was not there, but Teddy Longside Triple H
was there. Yes, okay, interesting me personally.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
I I want to tread cautiously here. H Oh, this
is hard to say. I think Teddy might have been mistaken.
I don't think Triple H would go.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, I don't either, and I don't think he'd even
be able to. Uh, I just with with uh, he's
a busy guy.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Well, I don't know. I think it's I think it's
one of those things that how do I say this delicately? Uh?

Speaker 2 (38:14):
I think it's one of those.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
I think it's one of those things that Triple H
probably has in his head. Fucked Vince.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, I'm sure he does.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
I you know, Triple H I think is done with Vince.
I think he's in the same about his staff on this.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, all estrangement there and how could there not be
with what Vince is accused of. You you want that
guy around his grand while.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
You were married and while you were married to.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
Their their mother yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
I like and I think this, and I can't speak
for Stephanie or Shane, but I think this is kind
of a straw that broke the camel's back type deal, like, yeah,
you did their Playboy interview where you admitted you were
unfaithful and bragged about it essentially, and now this, like

(39:21):
the Playboy interview was bad enough, but now your depravity
is coming out. And then when i'm when someone's current
sins come out, past sins get brought back up. Rita Chatterton,
the Ring Boys. You know, Linda is tried so very

(39:46):
hard to distance herself, not just from Vince but from
WWE with their political.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Endeavors right and good pun endeavors.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Oh ah yeah, multiple good luck come your future endeavors endeavor.
T Oh yeah, that was totally unintentional, but I'm the man.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yes, an unintended pun. By the way, I do want
to say this, I don't just kind of for the
record though, just understanding the understanding the complexity of human relationships.
I don't actually JD form Ny went really hard. I
don't quite like, I don't fault any of these people

(40:29):
who did go I undert because you know, they they
always talk about how they had kind of a father son.
A lot of these guys or women had a mother
son of your mother son. I'm sorry daughter father. Hell
am I saying relationship like Vince was kind of a
father figure. I understand feelings get complicated and and all

(40:52):
of that.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
So I don't.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I'm not mad at anybody for going.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
I think though, that the only major woman women's talent
that went is Maurice.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, she's not even there. Like, when was the last
time we even saw her on television? Well? What's that?

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Missus and Mez? You didn't watch that show?

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I never watched it. I was aware of it.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
I didn't either, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
But yeah, but I don't. So I don't hold anything
against anybody who wants to go. I just to be
around a guy like that.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Look some of these guys. Vince you know, saved them
in a way.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Oh yeah, and Bruce Pritchet, Dude, I don't blame Bruce
for going, you.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Know I do?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Oh you do.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
I blame Bruce because Bruce, I guarantee you and I
love Bruce Pritchard. I would love to meet Bruce Pritchard.
I think Bruce all intensive intensive purposes is a great guy.
I think Bruce is a guy that is unabashedly and

(42:13):
inexcusably loyal to events. Yeah, and I have a problem
with that. And my problem with it is, you know,
one by one, everyone in Vinces his inner circle is
kind of dying or turning their back on him.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
I The last one that's left that was very close
to Vince is Bruce. And let's circle back to our statements,
your statements on Penn state you don't think Bruce knows something.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Much. Don't think Bruce.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Richard knows And you know, I get it. I understand it,
just like I understand stood Matt mcquery, just like I
understand the fear of coming forward because you don't know.
And I'm sure Bruce, who has children and a wife,

(43:19):
he's worried about the family fallout if he comes forward.
He has a successful podcast, which he's on leave from
right now due to a health issue. There's a lot
of fallout and a lot of rehalmifications Bruce could face.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
Yeah, but like it just.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
It's like Bruce, if you know, say something.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah. But in Bruce's case, though, it appears that like
the way the accusations and well speaking specifically, in terms
of Janelle Grant, the way the act acusations have proceeded
against Vince. It doesn't seem like Bruce's. Even if Bruce
does know something, if I agree with you, if he

(44:08):
knows something, he should say something. But it doesn't seem
like it's like Bruce's. Never has anyone ever subpoenaed Bruce
for a to sit down and talk to a lawyer?

Speaker 3 (44:19):
I mean no, So he wasn't subpoenaed for the steroid trials. Yeah,
Rita Chatterton, the Ring Boys, he hasn't been subpoenaed for
any of it. I don't believe.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Maybe he's been able to successfully avoid all that. So
maybe he doesn't know. Maybe he hasn't been exposed to anything.
I don't know, but I but you're right to be suspicious.
I agree with you there.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
It is close Bruce was to the man.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
That's true. Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
And you know what, I've said this before, I'll say
it again. Fuck Vince Russo. Vince Russo can say all
he wants that Bruce Pritchard wasn't close to Vince. I'm
gonna take the word to Jim Cornett, who has said
Bruce was there and it proved that I'm not just

(45:10):
a Bruce Prichard nuthugger. I don't believe that Bruce didn't
know about the Montreal screwjob.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Oh you don't believe him on that.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
I do not. I think Bruce knew. I don't think
Bruce knew everything. I think Bruce knew something was going
to happen.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Oh well, but that's not the same of knowing exactly
what was going to happen.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
I think he knew that. I think Vince Hey pal
no way does Brett leave with the title.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yeah, but that's not the same as but that's.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Not the same as saying I didn't know playing dumb
on it either.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Well, yeah, but he could have. He could have known,
like Vince could have said that to him and then
Bruce said okay, but but still been shocked at what
actually transpired. I don't know. I just I don't know.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
I find it hard that Bruce didn't know that Pat
Patterson didn't know. I find it hard that all these
inner Circle guys in that had no idea.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Yeah, like like if Jim Cornett knew, and Cornett has
said he knew, right, Yeah, if Jim Cornett knew yeah,
and Briscoe is teaching Sean how to get out of lockholds.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah, yeah, Briscoe knew, Briscoe new. Yeah, we don't.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Why Why wouldn't Bruce and Pat Patterson know? That's never
felt right to me?

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Well, Bruce said on his podcast, because I remember listening
to that episode of Something to wreussell h Bruce said
that it was that Vince told him. Because Bruce was
Bruce claimed that he was mad at Vince. I don't
know if you ever listened to it to that episode.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
I did. Oh, I've listened to almost every episode of
Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, so Bruce Bruce claimed that that he was actually
mad at Vince fern ochludam And and Vince said, well,
I did it to protect you because if you knew,
then the boys would be mad at you. Everyone would
be mad at you, because you know, you know, I
didn't want any of the heat to get on you,
which to me sounded incredible. I mean that could very
well be.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Yeah, it does sound credible. I just I have a
hard time believing with how close that inner circle was. Yeah,
that something was that he just didn't have a single
solitary clue some shit was about to go down. Same
with Jim Ross. I've never believed that the VP of

(47:45):
Talent Relations had no idea.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Really.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Yeah, no, I have less belief in Jim Ross than
I do in Bruce Pritchard.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Oh wow, Okay, I can almost.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Buy what Bruce is selling. I can't buy what JR
Is selling. Ye, And I love Jim Ross and I
will always love Jim Ross. It doesn't shake anything about
Jim Ross. I just wish he'd come clean on it
because there's no way, there's no way you're not going

(48:20):
to let Jim Ross know because Jim Ross is gonna
have to deal with all the boys who want to leave.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Mean what Jim Ross is gonna have to sit there
and deal with all this and be like, well, listen,
bud got a contract. I'll tie this up in court.
Better come back. We'll give you the night off. But
you know that type of deal. So I don't know

(48:54):
that's yeah. But back to the original point, I think
these guys know something, even if it's a little thing
like yeah, I saw I looked over Vince's shoulder. Well,
I looked over his shoulder and saw nudes of Janelle
Grahan on his phone. M even something like that that

(49:17):
could help. Just say it, just let it out.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. Anything else on Vince's
birthday party.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
I think to villainize the people that went is wrong.
They went. Now if they came out after it and
said Janelle Green is a lying skank, that's a problem, right,
But they didn't.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
All right, well we can. And by the way, so
we know who is definitely not there was Stephanie McMahon.
Look she's back. She was not there. Let's see so
our next in the undercard. Let's see here. Let me
get a picture here, I have a picture of these guys.

(50:07):
Oh what the heck is going on here? Sorry, I'm
having a little bit of a problem here. I wanted
to get a picture of Oh maybe I won't be
able to that's weird. Oh I know why. So a
couple of injuries here we go. I figured it out.
A couple of injuries in ae.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Wut that got it figured out?

Speaker 2 (50:29):
I think, so, I hope. So there we go. A
couple of injuries in a w there a Sworths, Strickland
and Tony almost said Tony Kah will ospray two of
their most valuable players.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
In my opinion, I would say, if you're gonna do
Mount rushmore of current ae W stars, there are two
of them.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yeah yeah, I mean for.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Me, it would be them two mjf and and it's
tough to go with the fourth one. I would have
to probably say, just because you have to have a
fourth Moxley.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Yeah, and uh, these guys are gonna be out for
a while.

Speaker 6 (51:16):
It sounds like, uh, it's probably gonna be sixt eight
months for Swerve and indeterminate for Osprey.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah wow, because Osprey has a neck injury and next
a tricky They didn't even really want him to work
the show, Uh Forbidden Door and he said, no, I'm
going to it's in London, Yeah he did. Yeah. Oh no.

(51:52):
I just think with ae W, it's you have your
highest you have one of your high pay per view
gates of all time, probably their most overall overall successful
pay per views. If we're being brutally honest, and now

(52:13):
two of the major players are out, Man, it's tough.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah. Oh that reminds me too. Just I mean, obviously
there isn't there isn't really a lot to say about
it other than it sucks for these guys, two of
the best in a W. Did you happen to see
Jake Hager's interview on Ariel Jlljuane about uh his time
in a W or not? I'm sorry? The other guy,

(52:44):
Chris Chris van Vliet, thank you? Yeah? Did you see that?

Speaker 3 (52:48):
I did.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but he
had a lot of unflattering things to say about Tony Conn.
I was kind of surprised.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Yeah, it's just it's easy to say the ship when
you're no longer there. Of course, you know everyone everyone
says their former job is the worst job they ever had.
I mean, look, but you took the paychecks when you
were there.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, he seems like he's he's done anyway though, right,
because my thought was, wow, he's really burning some bridges
here when I'm watching this, but also also very strongly
got the impression he's done with wrestling. He's not. He's
he's not gonna be looking to go back to either
major promotion.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
He should he should be done because you know, he's
not good, like you know, uh, yeah, I heard. I
read his comments, and to me, it's like, well, way
to jump on that. Bandwagon. Yeah, and then way to

(53:56):
backtrack when you're confronted by two guys that could probably
legitimately booked your ass, right, Like, yeah, I like when
I saw that he immediately put his foot in his
mouth when FTR posted screenshots of the text they had,
Like to me, he lost credibility if you you like,

(54:20):
if he would have just been a dick about it,
that's like, yeah, all right, I misspoke, do something about it.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Right, But oh, I'm so sorry. Man.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Yeah, I said I think and blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah, okay, yeah,
how am I going to believe anything else you said?
Because you said I think quite a bit in that
whole interview. Like I can sit here and say I
think this guy is blue, and then if someone says, well, Eric,

(54:50):
by god, it's green today.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
I can be I said, I think, right, Yeah, I
didn't think it was I didn't think it was interesting.
You know, he started a trucking company and it's Hall
and Oates, halland halland Oates, And I have a couple
thoughts about that. One is it's cool if he's a
Hall and Oats fan. I appreciate that. I love Hall
and Oates, who recently settled there dispute by the way
through arbitration. But the other thing is, though that might be,

(55:16):
I don't know. You can only push the when it
comes to intellectual property and trademarketing and so forth. You
can only push that so far. And I guarantee you
there's probably already other businesses that have used that name
Hall and Oates. So I don't know, but I thought
that was interesting.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
I mean, hey, do you I can't. I can't find
enough of a gibba damn about Jack Hager.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Well, for a second, I thought you were gonna say
I can't go for that, and I was going to
commend you for that too, as well as your earlier pun.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
No, no, I can't say. It isn't so Eric, Uh yeah, yeah,
do you Here we go, the puns are rolling.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Well those are song title references. Actually, well whatever.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
I mean if we're going to reference musicians. Ac DC
performed at Vince McMahon's eightieth birthday party as well. What yeah,
they were there?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Are you are you serious? Are you kidding? What?

Speaker 3 (56:17):
I am dead serious?

Speaker 2 (56:19):
They did? Ac DC was they performed.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Vince McMahon's Well, they were at the party.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Oh, I didn't know. Really, I didn't know about this.
I had no idea.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yeah, featured Kid Rock ac DC.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
I'm not surprised Kid Rock was there, I guess.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
I mean, look, if you're going to celebrate a guy
who poo poo's on a check, I would think Kid
Rock would be at the top of the list.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
He's your guy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Wow, live performances from Kid Rock and ac DC.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Weird. I had no idea. I had no idea.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Okay, well, well maybe it's a warning to all the
future female employees of his new company. It's a long
way to the top if you want to rock and roll.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I can't go for that, all right, Should we move
on to the main event?

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
God?

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Then dishes feels like it's been a negative show.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
I wasn't going to Uh no, we could do something
positive for a moment. I mean, there's Stephanie McMahon, our
our goddess, our VPN goddess, Stephanie McMahon. There she is.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Look at her. This is what we're relegated to. A
woman that advocates for gray area piracy.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
That's my kind of woman right there.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
I I think I'm going to trademark that well piracy.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Well, and now I do not have a picture of
Rajah Jackson prepared because I don't want to look at him.
Uh but uh, I got a lot to say, and
I bet you do too. This whole uh Knox Pro
is that the name of the promotion Knox Pro give.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
This ship Outlaw Mudshow, flea Market, trailer park. Just how
how the only reason Brandon Williams, one of my best friends,
was having a phone conversation with me briefly before the show,

(58:29):
before the show, and he said, the only reason WWE
was involved with this show is Rakishi.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Oh of course, yeah, we should. We should clarify that
though for people who don't who don't know, So, WWE
has their I D program. What is it called Official Leader?

Speaker 3 (58:47):
You know WWE I D.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
This is called WWE I D. So there there are
these wrestling schools around the country that they are affiliated
with promotions. Why aren't they aren't they also wrestling schools
and promotion?

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Okay, yes, that that that that are affiliated with WWE.
And and I had actually forgotten that that even existed.
It's like they announced it and it was a big deal,
and then I think within a week it just fell
out of my brain until this happened, and I was like, oh, yeah,
that's right, which, by the way, I should have remembered
because there's a school in New Hampshire that is part
of this the program. But but yeah, so, uh well,

(59:30):
I almost don't know where to start, and maybe you
don't either. I'm just gonna throw some thoughts out here either.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
I was actually like, how do we even unpack all this?
And I'm like, you know what, I'm going to depend
on the professionalism of matt Onnorton. Okay, okay, I should
have told you that before the show.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
No, no, it doesn't matter. I like the spontaneity, you
know what.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Fuck it, I'm just the talent. I show up, I talk,
I leave. That is it. I'm just it's gonna sit
here and be like, Matt not you, buddy. No.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I uh well, first of all, so I assume anyone
who is consuming this content has seen what happened, knows
the story, so we probably don't have to go through
the entire story. But I'm very curious I believe that.
Uh So, first of all, Rajah Jackson has not been arrested.
Correct unless something is changing, I'm not, which is shocking
to me, which is shocking to me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Look, I'm not and here's why you This is gonna
be very, very very tough for charges to stick all
I do. And here is why. Because you're you. You're

(01:00:51):
going to be circumventing what happens in a show with
legal action. And I guarantee you the DA that has
this case more than likely knows nothing about professional wrestling right,

(01:01:11):
more than likely has no idea about terms like work, shoot, receipt,
none of that. I guarantee you. They're looking at the
first way to say, oh, it was a part of
the show. No charges.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I think that I disagree. And here's why. You've got
all this video leading up to and I know some
of the video is these these these morons at this promotion,
who were I mean, every everybody involved in this looks
really bad leading up to what happened. But there's also
all this video because Rajah Jackson was streaming this on

(01:01:52):
Kick there's all this video of him talking about I'm
gonna kick his ass, I'm gonna get on him, I'm
gonna start punching. I'm not gonna stop. He's getting by
everybody in his little kickstream, you know, encouraging him to
beat the shit out of the guy. At one point
he hears from his dad, or maybe at multiple points
he hears from his dad Rampage Jackson, who's telling him, Oh,
you look like a bit you let a professional wrestler

(01:02:13):
do that to you, this and that. So I think
there's a lot there that shows premeditation. And and if
you know, if the DA looks at that video, he's
going to see Rajah Jackson on top of an unconscious
man repeatedly striking him in the head. I don't see
how they cannot charge him with and I will say
this attempted murder. I believe he should be charged with

(01:02:35):
attempted murder. That's my position.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
I don't I think that's a bit steep.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
I'll tell you why I think that. You know why
I think that, because I was thinking about this, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Do they assault?

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Right? I I had this, I had this. I went
through this in my own brain trying to figure that
out for myself. The conclusion that I arrived at is
it's attempted murder. And here's this is my logic. Because
if no one had pulled him off, and they were
slow in doing so, right, But if no one had
intervened and he had just continued to strike him, just

(01:03:10):
continued to strike him, which he was not going to
stop unless someone intervened. No doubt, in my mind, Psychostu
would be dead. He was on his way to killing him.
And that is why, in my mind it absolutely is
attempted murder. If no one had intervened, he would have
killed him. He there's not a singled out in my mind,

(01:03:30):
Psychostu would be dead that that Rajah Jackson would have
murdered him right in front of everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
I'm sorry, go ahead, thank you, Sure, you're I You
make a lot of great points, Matt. Here's one thing
that you missed. There is an argument, and it's a
very valid one. If Rajah jackson legal team wants to
make it what mental state was Rajah Jackson. In Rajah Jackson,

(01:04:11):
it's documented had a concussion. Sure, when this occurred, when
you are concussed, you do not act rationally and have
sudden moon swings. You can have various issues. Now, does

(01:04:34):
this excuse what he did? No, The videos prove that
he was cognizant of what was going on in what
he was doing. But I think that the video the concussion,
you also have to prove that the concussion had nothing

(01:04:56):
to do with his actions. And I think that's the
very hard to do because you will any doctor is
going to say and I can tell by your look
you don't like it, but you have to agree it's
a valid point. Any doctor is gonna say, yes, this

(01:05:19):
his behavior could have been a result of a concussion.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Here's where I disagree. I mean, I think that that
that's probably the defense's best shot. I think that that
that would be their best defense. And I understand also.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Another defense that you were missing out on here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Well, let what we can get to that one. But
let me let me just say about about this. I
think that's his best probably his best defense. But the
thing is, though, where I disagree. And you know, neither
of us are are lawyers, and so I don't I
don't claim to know about the law. But I I
I'm skeptical. You said that in order for them to
prove intent to murder, they have to prove that the

(01:06:04):
concussion had nothing to do with this. I think the
burden of proof I would tend to shift the burden
of proof. I think that I think it would have
to be more the other way. They would have to
the process the defense would have to prove. I mean,
they'd have to get some experts in there who are
willing to say, yes, the concussion may have caused him

(01:06:25):
to strike this man in the face more than twe
an unconscious man in the face more than twenty times.
I just I disagree with where you're placing the burden
of proof, I think is what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
And I get that I'm saying that not his not
the action, not the assault. Yeah, what they what they
I think what they can't What they should try to
do is you just have to put a reasonable doubt
into the jury. You don't have to prove your case.

(01:07:03):
If you have enough evidence that you can say Rajah
Jackson had a concussion. That's already been proven. Concussions can
cause erratic behavior, sudden mood swings, violent outbursts. That's already
been proven. Now, can you tie a concussion to Rajah Jackson.

(01:07:30):
That's going to be up to them to do, and
I think it's I think the other thing you're forgetting
is the intoxication aspect psycho stew It is heavily rumored
all the workers were drinking before the show.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
It's not rumored they're on video, They're they're hanging out
having some beers. Yeah, oh no, Now they're all they're
all irresponsible idiots, all all these people. I'm not debating
that at all. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Now with that being said, that also has to be
looked at and considered. Was Rajah Jackson intoxicated? Now we're
getting into if you already have a concussion and you're drinking,
what does that do?

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
What's it due?

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
When the boss, the promoter of this of Knocks Knock X,
is on tape saying, really lay into him, really give
it to him, get your receipt. Yeah yeah, and you
know that's the guy who's running the show.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Oh yeah, Oh everybody, there's a lot of blame to
go around.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Yeah, and you, I mean, and I'm not saying you,
I'm saying in general, people just want to put this
all at Rajah Jackson's feet. Oh a lot of people are.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
A lot of people are defending him. I mean, hell,
Mark Henry blamed it all on him, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Mark Henry, Rob Van Dam and Chail's son and are
idiots for blindly defending Rajah Jackson what he was inexcusable.
But I'm also gonna say, if you watch the footage,
And when I first watched the footage, I don't know

(01:09:27):
why I noticed this, but my attention goes to it
every time when you watch the footage, watch Raja Jackson.
He gets in the ring and pauses brief and looks around,
not just looks at PSYCHOSTU, looks around. Yeah, I firmly

(01:09:54):
believe that he was looking. Is everyone in their spots?
Is everyone where they said they were gonna be when
this goes down?

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
And so they can pull me off because a J
Manna so one of the wrestlers in one of the
videos that has been unceremoniously fired now and can't get
a booking. Yeah, because he's being blamed for this as well,
and unjustly, You like, I don't see any blame he

(01:10:32):
has in this?

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
What what is he being blamed for? Exactly that you
that you object to? What do you mean.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
They're saying that he gassed up Rajah Jackson?

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Didn't he have much as.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Not as much as the promoter did.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Oh yeah, but but he was still a part of it. Though. Wait,
who's the cowboy guy? AJ's the cowboy guy? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Yes, he says, give him over a scene.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Fuck that guy, all these all these people at this
at this place, this knocks pro wrestling. They They're like,
I'm watching that video and I'm watching their behavior like
leading up to this, and I'm thinking, I wouldn't trust
these people to run a kiosk at the mall selling keychains,
let alone a wrestling promotion. Like these people are all
fucking drunken, irresponsible morons who because Ratisi's name is on

(01:11:27):
the thing, they get to be a part of WWEI
d All these people are just fucking idiots.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
I mean, what pro wrestler isn't gonna tell a guy
to get a receipt.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Well, he should have made it clear what he meant.
He doesn't use the word receipt correctly anyone. Like I've
never spent a single day in my life in the
wrestling business, but I know what receipt means. In this context,
A receipt is if you know you're in the ring
or something, somebody tags, is somebody potatoes a little too hard,
you gotta let him know. You hit him back. You
get a receipt. Not not not violently assault somebody. You can't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
You're sitting there putting this at AJM and his feet
that he knew Rajah Jackson was gonna go out there
and beat the Bejesus out of Psycho stew.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
But if he's having but, but shouldn't he have had
a conversation with Rajah Jackson like, just so we're clear,
you're gonna get in there, you're gonna do here's here's
how you do a working here's how you do a
working punch.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Maybe no, no, no, that isn't on him, as someone
who's worked backstage at a pro wrestling at an indie show,
that is on the promoter aa aj Manna. Shouldn't have
said receipt fine, right, Yeah, to put it all at

(01:12:46):
his feet.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Well, no, it was not all on him.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Can't you sit here and say he deserved to be
fired from his day job like he was.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Yes, if he can't communicate something as simple as someone
who's not even a professional wrestler. If he can't, who's
going to be getting physically involved and he can't articulate
to this guy, Hey, here's what's going to happen. Here's
what you're gonna do, here's what you're not going to do.
Here's how we're gonna go through the whole thing. All
he says to him is yeah, get in there and

(01:13:17):
give him his fucking receipt, and if anyone tries to interfere,
I'll get in there too, I'll fuck them up or whatever.
He said. That's what he's on video saying. No, aj
Man is an irresponsible fuckhead and he does deserve to
be fired. He has no place in the wrestling business,
mister fucking cowboy idiot.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
No, he deserves I'm not saying wrestling business. Yeah, saying
his typical forty hour a week Joe, Yeah, get fired
from Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Yeah, I don't. I don't want to see the guy,
although I can kind of understand like his boss might
be looking at this.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Going he's not the one in did the assault.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Are you going to fire someone? Are you going to
fire someone forgiving Billy Ray jim by a fire tracker?
And he holds a firetracker in his hand and blows
it off. Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
I agree with you in principle, But I can also
see how an employer might might look at him and say.
An employer might look at him and say, this guy
has really bad judgment. Do I really want this person
working for me? Because he's gonna to be fair?

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Hey, Dana said, I said what I said in character,
which very well might have been in character. Because my
understanding is the storyline was him and Psycho Sue Stu
had a feud going and all this other jazz. So
it makes sense that he sits here and he says, hey,

(01:14:44):
don't get your fucking receipt, take care of business.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Now, well that's no, that's a very valid point. Now
if that's true, If what he's saying is true, and
he was saying that in character, and hopefully there was
a separate conversation which.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
I should have been done with the promoter, I agree
with you, the Jackson, I agree with you there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
So if if what aj man is saying is true,
then that does change things. I can see that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Yes, yeah, like my understanding. And if I'm wrong, and
anyone's listening, you can say I'm wrong. I've said it before,
I'll say it again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Yeah, please do.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
My understanding is Psycho Stew aj Manna, they have a feud.
They're working a feud. It's an angle. Whatever the fuck
the aj Mana sees this as an opportunity. Holy shit,
I can get our feud over even more in this
mud show. Side shows circus freak bullshit, and he decides, I, okay,

(01:15:41):
I'm gonna be on video and tell him to get
his fucking receipt and when he does, it's gonna get
Psycho stew Over is the face because I had this
trained professional fighter beat his ass, not knowing that Rajah
Jackson is on saying now he's gonna beat the big

(01:16:02):
Jesus out of this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
And and and aj Manna is doing this assuming that
the promoter has talked to Jackson.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Which the promoter is should have done. You.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
You make a very good point.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Who Rajah Jackson is here? Yeah, Rajah Jackson is not
a worker, that is said in the video before the apology. Yeah,
this guy ain't a worker.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
Yeah, so why in.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
The hell are you gonna have him go in the ring?

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Well yeah, yeah, oh yeah no, every everything leading up
but having a conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Yeah yeah, I mean, fuck, Psycho Stew's probably like I'm
having more than likely I'm having this killer match. All
the sudden, this jack dick gets in the ring anams
them down and beats the holy hell out of him.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
I mean, like, and if I were in a in
someone asked me, well, why didn't Aj manna get in
and stop it. You're porn At that point, you ain't
gonna you don't want to break k fade well, but
you don't want to jump in there and save him.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
But when you're watching a man being pummeled to death,
I mean potentially an.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
You can notice that there might be some hesitation on
your end, like, oh, was this something worked out with
Psychostu and Rajah and the promoter and the boys weren't
plued in? Are they trying to do a work shoot?

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
That's that's the problem with everyone wanting to shoot is
the boys are now like are they trying to work
a shoot?

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Are they trying to get something over as a shoe?
I don't want to mess this up. I don't want
to miss a payday.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Right right? My? I mean my position Ultimately, you know
you're and I understand your your your concussion argument, but
that aside, I will just say this, I think I
think I think everything was handled very poorly, even even
Psycho Stu with the beer cand of the head and everything.
I think everything that made no damn sense. Why have

(01:18:27):
they been doing that because they was? I think he
was drunk. I mean to me, he looked intoxicated. So
I think everybody, including and I don't want to blame
the victim, but I think everybody, including Psycho Stu, just
handled everything terribly leading up to it. But ultimately, none
of that, none of that justifies what Raza Jackson did.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
I'm not saying Rajah Jackson shouldn't have stressed on him
in significant jail time. I'm saying I think attempted murder
is a stretch because that and you're going down into
that Pandora's box rabbit hole of mental stability that can
come up with concussions and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Jazz.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
I think what it is is felonious assault, and I
think he should have his state Athletic Commission license revoked nationwide. Yes,
I think he needs to serve jail time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Yes, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
I think this promotion needs to be shut the fuck down.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Oh, I think I think it's already happening. Yeah, I
think they're done. How do they continue after this? I
think they're done.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
But to sit here and try to escape, go aj Manna.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
You make no, you make a powerful argument. I'm not convinced,
but I'd like to see the video of I mean,
he should have had a separate conversation with him, just
to make sure he was cool, because I mean, but then.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Again, we're crossing that line of aj Manna's responsibility versus
the responsibility of a promoter.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
But what does aj Manna like has he addressed? What
is he addressed about this? Exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Did he so? He claims he was that video was
in character. Did he ever say anything about a separate
conversation or or that, or that he knew that the
promoter had a separate conversation or anything.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Aj Mana conducts. This is from the Ring report. Aj
Manna conducts a lengthy and profanity laced interview telling his
side of the story.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
I saw a part of it, but I didn't see
the whole thing. Although although then again I might have.
Where is that from? Because that might not be the
same clip that I saw. I might have seen a
different clips.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Send you a short clip of the interview.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Oh okay, I'll think I send you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
I will send you the article I'm looking at right now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
You may have, yeah, you may have. You may have
swayed me on aj Manna. I'm open to I'm open
to that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
Go you you have it. Now I'm scrolling.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Through by the way, regarding about you know, what he
should be charged with. You know, it's quite possible, because
this happens all the time. It's quite possible they do
charge him with attempted murder and then it gets pleted down,
or they go for a lesser charge jury you know,
gives them. It's different in every state. I don't know

(01:21:22):
how it works in California. Well, I don't know how
it works in any of the states actually, because I've
never been any kind of you know, I've never pummeled
a man half to death, but so I've never been
in that situation. But so I know in every state
it works a little bit differently. But it may start
out he may initially be charged with attempted murder, and
then it gets pleted down, a deal is made something,

(01:21:43):
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Yeah, I mean look, and here's the thing is the
video is over an hour long.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
Aj Nanna's in it for eight minutes. Yeah, he had
the His point is I had the least amount of
involvement in this ship show.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
However, he's lost his primary job, he's lost all of
his bookings.

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
Yeah, and yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
He doesn't do himself any favors with By the way,
I looked at I saw that is the video that
I saw, but I think I just didn't watch the
whole thing. I'll have to go back and give that
another look. He doesn't do himself any favors with that.
He should he should really just not say anything. Let
this play out.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
No, because that's what the promotion told him to do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
No, no, no, I'm sorry, what just to clarify, I
just mean he shouldn't say anything publicly, but he should.
I'm glad you brought that up because the promotion told them,
you know, don't talk to law enforcement without talking to
us first, and that's not good.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
That obstruction adjustice, that's yeah, that's and then you have
this danger progressing another w w e i D Wrestling federation.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
I didn't know they were w w i D two
Yes day all holy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
W w e I D needs to come up with
some with a better vetting process.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Oh my god. So for people who don't know, so
this danger pro wrestling, they announced that they had booked
Rajah Jackson for a show, right, and what are they
what are they saying now? They backmedled and now they're
saying it was a publicity stunt.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
YEP, it was a publicity stunt because the the host
venue came out and said, he says, he said, we
do not approve you booking him. We had no idea
you were gonna book him. He isn't allowed in our building.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
Like it was a publicity stunt to sell tickets and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
A pretty distasteful one. Yeah. Wwe They might just have
to rethink this whole ID program because.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
A process, what the hell?

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
Wow, this is like hiring. This is like setting up
Neverland Ranch to be a childcare. What the hell are
we doing? So?

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
What do you think of my scenario? Though? They charge
him with attempted murder, but it ends up it ends
up being felonious assault in the end.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
I think, I think as much as I you made many, many,
many good points, freak, I don't think they start there.
I think they start with felonious assault and work their
way down.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Okay, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
They do not want this to go to trial. They
do not want this to go to court. I think
Rader Jackson ends up serving a year maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Under oh god, I hope it's more than that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
And he's responsible for Psycho Stew's medical bill in uh
emotion and Damages, which damages covers a wide variety of things,
in this case emotional. Uh yeah, just yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
And he's gonna sue. I mean, I assume he's gonna
sue the hell out of anybody he can. Like not
you'll sue Knox Pro Wrestling out of existence. I would
imagine he might not be able to. You don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
When you. The big thing is is what waivers did
Psychostu sign, What waivers have.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
It's not gonna matter, I don't think. I don't think
whatever he signed is not gonna matter when you, when you,
when you've been assaulted like that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
Depending it might depending on the state Athletic commissions rules. Again,
we haven't heard any anything from the California State Athletic
Commission on this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
No, and that's also shocking while.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
They're probably sitting here trying to sort through all this shit. Yeah,
I would almost have to guess that this show was sanctioned.
I would hope this show was sanctioned.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
I don't know how it works in California. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
I would hope that if you're associated with WWE, it's sanctioned,
which given the track record a WWEID, I don't know
if it was sanctioned, right right, But I guarantee you
the State Athletic Commission is there. I would say the
Athletic Commission is looking into this more than the DA is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
May very well be the case. I can't believe arrested.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
I mean, there's a lot to unpack here, a lot
to unpack.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
So what did you who? Uh? I'm curious, who do
you think had the worst take? I say, Mark Henry.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Mark Henry? Yeah it was Mark. I think close close second?
Is I think distant second? Sorry? Is chail Son in?

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Yeah? His take is pretty bad, especially.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
As a guy that's never worked pro wrestling. Yeah, and
then I think Rob Van Dam gets a pass, cause
when your brain's bob water and seeds, you say stupid shit.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Yeah. I've checked out some of our vd's content and
he just seems like a CTE adult idiot, Like he's nothing.
He says is coherent.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
He's gonna be uh DVD pretty soon. What do you mean,
Daddy Van Dam?

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Oh he's having a kid, he's having two Oh, God
help them twins. Yeah, that's too bad him and Katie Forbes. God,
But yeah, Mark, Mark Henry.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
That's that's so mean. Congratulations to the budding couple.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
God, those kids are gonna be stoned before they're a
month old.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
Uh, they got stoned off the seamen made to create them?
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Probably? Probably?

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
I do wonder that the semen found the way to
the egg.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Yeah, I know, right wrong, turning out the turkey. They're
gonna they're gonna have the munchies right out of the choot.
Mark Mark Henry's take made me angry, Like I felt
my blood just boiling because Mark Henry. After watching his
take on it, Mark Henry seems like the kind of
guy who, if a woman is sexually assault says, you know,
well what was she wearing? You know? I mean he

(01:28:56):
just he he goes out of his way to bury
Psycho Sue Psycho Stu and has zero criticism for Rajah
Jackson and acts like it's not even a big deal.
I was horrified. Mark Henry is a piece of shit
in my opinion. I mean, I was furious watching this

(01:29:19):
mushed mouth idiot on TMZ just just talk about, well,
what what kind of an example for an army veteran
his Psycho Stu and you know, implying that he got
what he had come into him, and he had nothing,
nothing negative to say about what Rajai Jackson did. I
was mortified by this guy. Could not believe it. What

(01:29:40):
do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
I don't know if I can follow up that very
strong take.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
I know it's strong. It might seem a little stiff,
but that's that's just how I felt. I was like, Wow,
what a piece of shit. That's what kept going through
my mind as I'm listening to him talk. I was like, Wow,
I just I have no respect for Mark Henry zero zero.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
Look, I will say Henry and Van Dam and Son
in all three blame the promotion, which is one accurate. However,
the wheels fall off once you start defending actions.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Oh yeah, jayl Sonan was talking about what a great
guy Rajah Jackson is. Oh, he's such a good guy.
I love him so much.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Polite, I mean hell.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
I'm sure people said the same thing about Jeffrey Dahmer
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
Bud, Yes, yes, I'm sure they did. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
Also, Maze quiet, such a don't even start on that
sack of shit. Look, Maiden Huffman, who gives their ship
what fucking mad Huffman has to say about the fucking
wrestling business in twenty twenty five, Who gives a what

(01:31:05):
Mavin Huffman had to say about the wrestling business? In
two thousand and five? Who gave off? Fuck what Mayven
Huffman had to Fuck may Then Huffman, You didn't even
earn your spot in professional wrestling. You competed on a show.
You didn't even pay any dues. Your competition on the

(01:31:27):
show was a guy who had a hole in his
shorts and his ball sack was hanging out. I remember that,
Jesus Christ, and fuck Mayden Huffman.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Well, I've actually enjoyed some of his content, but I
will just say no, I.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
Don't enjoy any of his content because you know what,
that grifting son of a bitch. He sits here and
goes on CNN and kisses Vince Russo's ass. When these allegations,
Vince McMahon came up and you, yeah, I'm a people
are like, oh, Maygan Huffsman was close to Vince. Vince

(01:32:06):
couldn't even spell his name without the accountants signing the checks.
Magan Huffman was as close to Vince as I am.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Maven referred to what Rajah Jackson did as borderline assault.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
He was I refer to Magon Huffman as a borderline
professional wrestler.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Whenever I think of Mavin, do you know what I
think of I think of when.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
He player burying him on Raw, when he said I've
had more women than you've had matches well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
And I think of Maven. I think of his speech
the night that he won tough enough and and he
gave this speech where he he was trying to be gracious.
Do you remember this like he was trying to be
I think he was trying to come off as gracious.
He was like, I just want to thank everyone who
came before me, and he kept saying it, like all
the legends who came before me in this business. But
it came off really weird because it was almost like he.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Was he couldn't name the legends. It was so.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Bizarre because it's like he sounds like a guy who's
already accomplished something in the business, and now he's like
thanking everyone who came before him. It's like one. It
was one very bizarre one.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
Look, Mavn Huffman is nothing more than a clout chasing
packer head. You This guy gets on his podcast and
it's like every episode he has a new best friend
in the business. Me and Randy are tight. Me and
Rob are tight. Me and and it's like, you know,

(01:33:34):
these guys don't know you from the frust and condom
that conceived your ass.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
All right Now, if a genie offered you a choice,
either Rajah Jackson could be charged with murder or, for
some unforeseen reason, Mavin Huffman could be charged with murder.
Who do you pick?

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
Who? Oh, that's tough. That's tough, because Maybon Huffman's crime
is that he somehow weaseled a decade long pro wrestling
career out of being an absolute sack of shit. Rajah
Jackson made a serious mistake for one minute. I mean,

(01:34:21):
so did Mabn Huffman's parents when they had sex without
contraceptive Yes, yes, best part of him trickled down his
mama's thigh. You you fuck him? You know. I don't
even think Maven deserves So I'm gonna go with Rajah
Jackson being charged with murder.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Now, I'm curious, who do you think had the best take?
Is there anyone whose take you thought was really good?
I think JBL had a really good take.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
I think JBL, I think Bubba Ray had a good
take on it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
I haven't seen his yet.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
Raise was essentially, it's at the feet of everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
Yeah, you know, uh.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
Uh I I'm trying to look for takes. I had
this saved.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Actually, JBL's was my personal favorite because he really really
went out of his way to say, look, ultimately, Raja
Jackson is at fault here and there's no there's no
excusing it. So I felt like his take kind of
mirrored mind the closest, even though he did say, yes,
everyone is at fault and I think so too. But although,
like I said, you might have swayed me a little
bit on aj Mina, I might have been too tough

(01:35:35):
on him. I'm gonna have to.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
I think in the realm of things that, in the
realm of blame. Mm hm, aj Mona deserves like two
percent of this, Like guy was in character.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Yeah, yeah, now that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
And look, if you're the promoter and you're running this
shit show, look Devil's advocate time. I suppose I suppose
you could say that aj Mana should have given the
climate of that promotion kat and been my kid, you

(01:36:24):
know what the fuck you're doing. Yeah, maybe he should
have done that. Yeah, but everyone's in armchair quarterback. You
can sit here and say I would have done it. Yeah,
you got your own match. You're working towards you. Why
am I gonna worry about something that's a management decision

(01:36:47):
when I'm just a worker. If you work in a
fast food restaurant, are you gonna worry about the drawer
being off if you just emptied the trash for the entire.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Shift right right now?

Speaker 6 (01:37:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
H yeah. Uh. I'm trying to find a couple takes here.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Like I said, I think j JD from n Y
had well probably he had my favorite take on it,
and I think JBL would be number two. But but
I like, I like what JBL had to say about it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
JBL, I think is JBL is probably the best. I'd
agree with that. I just think some of these guys
look at who they're friends with, and I'm gonna gander

(01:37:53):
that all three of these guys are tight with Rampage
and and you know what, sometimes friendship's got to go
on the wayside and you got to defend what's right.
And yeah, if you're gonna sit here and be like

(01:38:18):
if you're friends with brand Page, call and be like
your son fucked up your son ship on the business
that has provided so much for me and I, Well,
there are many people that are at fault here, your son,
your son took advantage of the situation.

Speaker 7 (01:38:43):
Yeah, and you know, I can't condone that I'm gonna
go out and defend the business that has given me.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Everything I have. Yeah, and for Jail Sonning, Like, Jail,
shut the fuck up. What do you know about the
wrestling business? You've never worked? You you don't know what

(01:39:20):
a shit? You don't know a headlock from mlock.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Yeah, that was pretty disappointed in his take.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Everyone's an expert swimmer until they jump in the pool. Like,
shut up, you don't know about the business? Your friends
with CM punk and I'm sure you're friends with a
lot of pro wrestlers. What do you fucking do? Does
it make you knowledgeable? And Maven Huffman, why'd you have

(01:39:57):
to bring up that suck shit?

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Uh? Well, here should be for for our viewers, for
those who are watching the show instead of just listening,
should we? Uh, little palate cleanser there our Goddess of
the VPN, Stephanie McMahon. That doesn't it doesn't even Huffman,
I guess h Yeah, well, any anything else to say

(01:40:23):
on the matter, or should we put a put a
pin in this one, put a button on it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
I just shame on knock X or whatever the hell
it's called. Shame on everyone, Shame on Raghishi like and
his cousin for having their names on this ship pile.
And do you know what, Yeah, you anyone can sit

(01:40:52):
here and argue if Psycho Stu is a legit pro wrestler,
if whatever, but one thing you can't do is diminished
that this man has suffered a gravy.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
We don't even know he could.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
Yeah, and I mean he has been released from the
hospital that broke yesterday or today. But man, like, if
I were an mm A promotion, I wouldn't want Roger.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
No like.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
This is, I mean just a tragic situation. And there
are many many at fault, and I firmly believe in
I firmly believe that the ones at fault were not
going to get to the bottom of I mean, it's yeah,

(01:41:58):
it's gonna be unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Well, we shall see, we'll s'll see what what unfolds. Well,
should we talk about next week? Are we gonna do
the main event that we originally planned for this week,
next week.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
Or yeah, we will do gone but not forgotten. Maybe
maybe maybe the world will be given a favor and
Mayven Huffman will die and we oh no, it's gone
but not forgotten.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Maybe forget that, Yeah, that he even existed, I understand, Okay,
so we can Yeah, oh my god, I did notice that. Yes,
I noticed. You seem to have a distaste for him. Well,
very good, so that'll be uh, well, I'm exhausted. I

(01:42:42):
don't know about you, but uh I.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
Am too, Like I'm supposed to be getting up for
a football game.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
Subject this.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
And and now I'm just like, man, yea, even even
Rocky is you know?

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
Yeah, he's passed out.

Speaker 4 (01:43:04):
Yeah he's done.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
He's got his noted Dan Jersey on, but he ain't
ready for a game.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
Hey, hey, well thank you to everyone. Of course he
watched the show live. Yeah, he just he just moved
his pause.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
Okay, he's dead.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
I'm gonna go back. And uh I would be watching
the game obviously, as I'm not a sports fan, but
Jenny and I will continue watching not clash in Paris.
I'm sure we'll uh we'll talk about that, yes, in
the undercard, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
Yes, yes, yes, and uh yeah, I don't know. I
came off pretty bad in this episode, like I have
a little Okay, my hatred for my hatred for New
York came out. I wish I knew a real New Yorker.
I wish I knew a real New Yorker, like I

(01:44:00):
wish I knew a Rocket and Roll savior. I wish
I knew someone that I could that could teach me
what makes New York so good? Yes, because I don't
see it. I don't see it at all. I mean
I I hate New Yorkman, okay, and Ben Trusso. Ben

(01:44:27):
Trusso is from by proxy?

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
All right, Well should we end with just a little
more Stephanie McMahon, our VPN goddess. Yeah there, yay, great,
all right and uh let's see so thank you again
to everybody, And of course you can find the show
and all your on your podcast platform of choice. And uh,

(01:44:55):
if you want to know more about what I'm up to,
Matt connorton dot com is my website. And Eric, where
can people find you?

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
They can find me on x E R. Pilcher three
one nine. They can find me on Instagram. E. Pilcher
six one seven. They can find me on TikTok. Now
I am on the tick, the tiki tac tickertok, whatever
the hell it is. E dash Rich three one nine
on TikTok. Yes, uh yeah, I'm learning this TikTok stuff.

(01:45:28):
I don't know, still very leary of it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
The Trump told me che know everything about you.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
I mean I wish I knew everything about the Chinese.
I mean maybe you know they put give me cmal
like like what is in my orange chicken from Panda
Express that makes it so damn good?

Speaker 5 (01:45:53):
Maybe you'll find out like you put does Panda Express
put crack in their low main?

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
Because it's absolutely delightful? But why are there crabneat ragoons
less than.

Speaker 6 (01:46:07):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
I like my ragoons folded. I don't like a lot
of crust with my you know what I mean, Like
when they do it like a like when they do
it like a flower. And there's very little right, Yes,
crab meat in the ragoon. There's more ragoon than me. No,
I want the cree. I want it. I want when
I take a bite out of it creates to just

(01:46:30):
lode everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
Like And you'll probably get a response and an explanation.

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
I mean very I could. I very much could. Okay, yeah,
you know I I I there are things that I
want to know, like what happened to the fold over ragoon?
There there are great mysteries in this world that have
just they kind of keep me up and keep me

(01:47:04):
up in the day because I work, so me up
during the day, Like what happened? Why do they only
bring back count Chocula for Halloween?

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
But maybe they cannot?

Speaker 3 (01:47:21):
Well no, I have not heard a logical explanation for this.
I get their Halloween cereals, but goodness gracious, Like why
can't I find the Reese's oreos? But I can find
the aos? I don't know if you know that there
are Reese's peanut butter cups with oreo couldn't and there

(01:47:46):
are oreos with Reese's filling. I found the oreos with
the Reese's filling, but I have not yet found the
Reese's cup with the oreos inside of them. I can't
find the Reese's step front. I think this is all
like a great attacking.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
It is, and let's be honest, it's an attack against America.

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
Yeah, it is, it is. Where's Trump in r FA?
On this ship.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Well, maybe someday we'll know. Someday we'll know. All right,
are you just going.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
To go listen to Hall of Oates after this?

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Well, I think of Stephanie McMahon, our VPN Queen.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
I I don't want to know what else will occur
during that. That's that's all you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
Well, very good? All right, Well thanks everybody. This has
been Episode fifteen of Tough Bumps. Thanks Eric, have a
good day.

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
Everyone who.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
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it's how we begin him. Mcnamy would father up the
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