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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, and now I do not have a picture of
Rajah Jackson prepared because I don't want to look at him.
Uh but uh, I got a lot to say, and
I bet you do too. This whole uh Knox Pro
is that the name of the promotion Knox Pro.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Give this ship Outlaw mud Show, Flea Market, trailer park.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Just how how the only.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Reason Brandon Williams, one of my best friends, was having
a phone conversation with me briefly before the show before
the show, and he said, the only reason WWE was
involved with this show is Rakishi.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Oh of course, yeah we should. We should clarify that
though for people who don't who don't know, So, WWE
has their I D program. What is it called official? Lady?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
You know WWE I D?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
This is called ww ID. So they're there are these
wrestling schools around the country that they are affiliated with promotions.
Why aren't they aren't they also wrestling schools and promotion?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Okay, yes, that that that that are affiliated with WWE.
And and I had actually forgotten that that even existed.
It's like they announced it and it was a big
deal and then I think within a week it just
fell out of my brain until this happened, and I
was like, oh, yeah, that's right, which, by the way,
I should have remembered because there's a school in New
Hampshire that is part of this the program. But but yeah, so,
(01:36):
uh well, I almost don't know where to start, and
maybe you don't either. I'm just gonna throw some thoughts
out here either.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I was actually like, how do we even unpack all this?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And I'm like, you know what, I'm going to depend
on the professionalism of matt Onorkon.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Okay, okay, I should have told you that before the show.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
No, no, it doesn't matter. I like the spontaneity, you.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Know what, Fuck it. I'm just the talent. I show up,
I talk, I leave.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
That is it. I'm just gonna sit here and be like,
Matt no, you buddy.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
No.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I uh well, First of all, so I assume anyone
who is consuming this content has seen what happened, knows
the story, so we probably don't have to go through
the entire story. But I'm very curious I believe that.
Uh So, First of all, Rajah Jackson has not been arrested.
Correct unless something is changing, I'm not, which is shocking
to me, which is shocking to me.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Look, I'm not and here's why you This is gonna
be very, very very tough for charges to stick all.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I do.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
And here is why. Because you're you. You are going
to be circumventing what happens in a show with legal action.
And I guarantee you the DA that has this case
(03:14):
more than likely knows nothing about professional wrestling right, more
than likely has no idea about terms like work, shoot, receipt,
none of that.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I guarantee you.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
They're looking at the first way to say, oh, it
was a part of the show.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
No charges.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I think that I disagree. And here's why. You've got
all this video leading up to and I know some
of the video is these these these morons at this promotion,
who were I mean, every everybody involved in this looks
really bad leading up to what happened. But there's also
all this video because Rajah Jackson was streaming this on Kick,
(04:01):
there's all this video of him talking about I'm gonna
kick his ass, I'm gonna get on him, I'm gonna
start punching. I'm not gonna stop. He's getting ginned up
by by everybody in his little kickstream, you know, encouraging
him to beat the shit out of the guy. At
one point he hears from his dad, or maybe at
multiple points he hears from his dad Rampage Jackson, who's
telling him, Oh, you look like a bit. You let
a professional wrestler do that to you, this and that.
(04:23):
So I think there's a lot there that shows premeditation.
And and if you know, if the DA looks at
that video, he's going to see Rajah Jackson on top
of an unconscious man repeatedly striking him in the head.
I don't see how they cannot charge him with and
I will say this attempted murder. I believe that he
(04:43):
should be charged with attempted murder. That's my position.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I think that's a bit steep.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I'll tell you why I think that. You know why
I think that because I was thinking about this, Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Do they assault?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Right? I I had this, I had this, I went
through this in my own brain trying to figure that
out for myself. The conclusion that I arrived at is
it's attempted murder. And here's this is my logic. Because
if no one had pulled him off, and they were
slow in doing so, right, But if no one had intervened,
and he had just continued to strike him, just continued
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to strike him, which he was not going to stop
unless someone intervened, No doubt, in my mind, uh, Psychostu
would be dead. He was on his way to killing him.
And that is why, in my mind it absolutely is
attempted murder. If no one had intervened, he would have
killed him. He there's not a singled out in my mind,
Psycho Stu would be dead, that Roger Jackson would have
(05:44):
murdered him right in front of everybody.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I'm sorry, go ahead, thank you, Sure, you're I you
make a lot of great points, Matt. Here's one thing
that you missed. There is an argument, and it's a
very valid one. If Rajah Jackson's legal team wants to
make it what mental state was Rajah Jackson. In Rajah Jackson,
(06:20):
it's documented had a concussion.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Sure, when this occurred, when you.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Are concussed, you do not act rationally and have sudden
moon swings. You can have various issues. Now, does this
excuse what he did?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
The videos prove that he was cognizant of what was
going on in what he was doing. But I think
that the video the concuss. You also have to prove
that the concussion had nothing to do with his actions,
(07:07):
and I think that's very hard to do.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Because you will any doctor is going.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
To say, and I can tell by your look you
don't like it, but you have to agree it's a
valid point. Any doctor is going to say, yes, this
his behavior could have been a result of a concussion.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Here's where I disagree. I mean, I think that that
that's probably the defense's best shot. I think that that
that would be their best defense. And I understand also.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Another defense that you were missing out on here.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Well, let what we can get to that one. But
let me let me just say about about this. I
think that's his best probably his best defense. But the
thing is, though, where I disagree, And you know, neither
of us our lawyers, and so I don't I don't
claim to know a lot about the law. But I'm skeptical.
You said that in order for them to prove intent
to murder, they have to prove that the concussion had
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nothing to do with this. I think the burden of
proof I would tend to shift the burden of proof.
I think that I think it would have to be
more the other way. They would have to the process.
The defense would have to prove I mean, they'd have
to get some experts in there who are willing to say, yes,
the concussion may have caused him to strike this man
(08:35):
in the face more than twe an unconscious man in
the face more than twenty times. I just I disagree
with where you're placing the burden of proof, I think
is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And I get that I'm saying that not his not
the action, not the assault. Yeah, what they what they
I think what they can can what they should try
to do is you just have to put a reasonable
doubt into the jury.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
You don't have to prove your case.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
If you have enough evidence that you can say Rajah
Jackson had a concussion, that's already been proven. Concussions can
cause erratic behavior, sudden mood swings, violent outbursts.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
That's already been proven.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Now, can you tie a concussion to Rajah Jackson.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's gonna be up to them to do.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
And I think it's I think the other thing you're
forgetting is the intoxication aspect ssycho stew It is heavily
rumored all the workers were drinking before the show.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It's not rumored. They're on video. They're they're hanging out
having some mirrors. Yeah. Oh no, now they're all they're
all irresponsible idiots, all all these people. I'm not debating
that at all. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Now, with that being said, that also has to be
looked at and considered. Was Roger Jackson intoxicated? Now we're
getting into if you already have a concussion and you're drinking,
what does that do? Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
What's it due?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
When the boss, the promoter of this of Knocks Knock X,
is on tape saying, really lay into him, really give
it to him, get your receipt. Yeah yeah, and you
know that's the guy who's running the show.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Oh yeah, Oh everybody. There's a lot of blame to
go around.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, and you, I mean, and I'm not saying you,
I'm saying in general, people just want to put this
all at Rajah Jackson's feet. Oh.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
A lot of people, a lot of people are defending him.
I mean, hell, Mark Henry blamed it all on him, Like.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Mark Henry, Rob Van Dam and Chail's son and are
idiots for blindly defending Rajah Jackson. What he was inexcusable,
but I'm also going to say if you watch the footage,
and when I first watched the footage, I don't know
(11:36):
why I noticed this, but my attention goes to it
every time when you watch the footage, watch Rajah Jackson.
He gets in the ring and pauses and looks around,
not just looks at PSYCHOSTU, looks around. Yeah, I firmly
(12:02):
believe that he was looking. Is everyone in their spots?
Is everyone where they said they were gonna be when
this goes down?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
And so they can pull me off.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Because a J mana the one of the wrestlers in
one of the videos that has been unceremoniously fired now
and can't get a booking. Yeah, because he's being blamed
for this as well, and unjustly, You like, I don't
(12:39):
see any blame he has in this.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
What is he being blamed for exactly that you that
you object to? What do you mean.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
They're saying that he gassed up Rajah Jackson?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Didn't he?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
And is it not as much as the promoter did?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Oh? Yeah, but but he was still a part of
it though. Wait, who's the cowboy guy? AJ's the cowboy guy?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yes, he says, give him over a scene.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Fuck that guy, all these all these people at this
at this place. This knocks pro wrestling. They They're like,
I'm watching that video and I'm watching their behavior like
leading up to this, and I'm thinking, I wouldn't trust
these people to run a kiosk at the mall selling
key chains, let alone a wrestling promotion. Like these people
are all fucking drunken, irresponsible morons who because Ratisi's name
(13:35):
is on the thing, they get to be a part
of wwei d All these people are just fucking idiots.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I mean, what pro wrestler isn't gonna tell a guy
to get a receipt, Well.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
He should have made it clear what he meant. He
doesn't use the word receipt correctly anyone. Like I've never
spent a single day in my life in the wrestling business,
but I know what receipt means. In this context, a
receipt is if you know you're in the ring or something,
somebody tags us, somebody potatoes a little too hard, you
gotta let him know. You hit him back. You get
a receipt, You'll not violently assault somebody.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
You're sitting there putting this at AJM and his feet
that he knew Rajah Jackson was gonna go out there
and beat the Bejesus out of Psycho stew.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
But if he's having but but shouldn't he have had
a conversation with Rajah Jackson, like, just so we're clear,
you're gonna get in there, you're gonna do Here's here's
how you do a working here's how you do a
working punch.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Maybe no, no, No, that isn't on him, as someone
who's worked backstage at a pro wrestling at an indie show.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, that is on the promoter. Aj Manna.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Shouldn't have said receipt fine, right, Yeah, to put it all.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
At his feet.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Well, no, it was not all on him.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
You can't when you sit here and say he deserved
to be fired from his day job like he was.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yes, if he can't communicate something as simple as someone
who's not even a professional wrestler, If he can't, who's
going to be getting physically involved and he can't articulate
to this guy, Hey, here's what's going to happen. Here's
what you're gonna do, here's what you're not going to do.
Here's how we're gonna go through the whole thing. All
he says to him is, yeah, get in there and
(15:26):
give him his fucking receipt, and if anyone tries to interfere,
I'll get in there too, I'll fuck them up or whatever.
He said. That's what he's on video saying. No, aj
Man is an irresponsible fuckhead and he does deserve to
be fired. He has no place in the wrestling business,
mister fucking cowboy idiot. No, he deserves Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I'm not saying wrestling business.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, saying his typical forty hour a week job. Yeah,
get fired from.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Oh yeah, I don't. I don't want to see the guy,
although I can kind of understand like his boss might
be looking at this, going.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
He's not the one the assault.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Are you going to fire someone? Are you going to
fire someone forgiving Billy Ray Jim.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Bob a firecracker?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
And he holds a firetracker in his hand and blows
it off.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I O, I agree with you in principle, But I
can also see how an employer might might look at
him and say, an employer might look at him and say,
this guy has really bad judgment. Do I really want
this person working for me? Because he's gonna to be fair.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Hey, Janana said, I said what I said in character,
which very well might have been in character. Because my
understanding is the storyline was him and Psycho Sue Stu
had a feud going and all this other jazz. So
it makes sense that he sits here and he says, hey,
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don't get your fucking receipt.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Take care of business. Now.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Well, no, that's a very valid point. Now if that's true,
If what he's saying is true, and he was saying
that in character, and hopefully there was a separate conversation which.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Should have been done with the promoter, I gree with
you there.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I agree with you there. So if if what aj
man is saying is true, then that does change things.
I can see that.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yes, yeah, like my understanding. And if I'm wrong, and
anyone's listening, you can say I'm wrong. I've said it before,
I'll say it again.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, please do.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
My understanding is Psycho Stew aj Manna they have a feud,
they're working a feud.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
It's an angle. Whatever the fuck.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Aj Mana sees this as an opportunity. Holy shit, I
can get our feud over even more in this mud show.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Sideshows circus freak bullshit, and he decides, I, okay, I'm
gonna be on video and tell him to get his
fucking receipt and when he does, it's gonna get Psycho
stew Over is the face because I had this trained
professional fighter beat his ass, not knowing that Rajah Jackson
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is on kick saying now he's gonna beat the big
Jesus out of this guy.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And and and aj Manna is doing this assuming that
the promoter has talked to Raja Jacksons.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Which the promoter is should have done. You.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
You make a very good point.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Who Rajah Jackson is here?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, Rajah Jackson is not a worker, that is said
in the video before the apology. Yeah, this guy ain't
a worker. Yeah, so why.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
In the hell are you gonna have him go in
the ring?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Well yeah yeah, oh yeah, no, every everything leading up
but having a conversation Yeah yeah, I mean, fuck.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Psycho Stew's probably like I'm having more than likely I'm
having this killer match. All the sudden, this jack dick
gets in the ring, slams them down and beats the holy.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Hell out of him.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, I mean, like and if I were in a
and someone asked me, well, why didn't aj Manna get
in and stop it? You're porn at that point, you
ain't gonna you don't want to break k fade.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Well, but you don't want to jump in there and
save him.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
But when you're watching a man being pummeled to death,
I mean potentially.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
You can notice that there might be some hesitation on
your end, like.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh, was this something worked out with.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Psychostu and Rajah and the promoter and the boys weren't
clued in?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Are they trying to do a work shoot?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
That's that's the problem with everyone wanting to shoot is
the boys are now like.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Are they trying to work a shoe?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Are they trying to get something over as a shoe?
I don't want to mess this up. I don't want
to miss a payday.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Right right? I mean my position ultimately, you know you're
and I understand your your your concussion argument, but that aside,
I will just say this, I think I think I
think everything was handled very poorly, even even Psycho Stu
with the beer cand of the head and everything. I
think everything that made no damn sense.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Why have they been doing that?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Because they was I think he was drunk. I mean,
to me, he looked intoxicated. So I think everybody, including
and I don't want to blame the victim, but I
think everybody, including Psycho Stu, just handled everything terribly leading
up to it. But ultimately, none of that, none of
that justifies what Raza Jackson did.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I'm not saying Rajah Jackson shouldn't have trying to stressed
on him in significant jail time. I'm saying I think
attempted murder is a stretch, because then you're going down
into that Pandora's box rabbit hole of mental stability that
can come up with concussions and all that jazz. I
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think what it is is felonious assault, and I think
he should have his state Athletic commission license revoked nationwide. Yes,
I think he needs to serve jail time.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yes, I agree.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I think this promotion needs to be shut the fuck down.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Oh, I think it's already happening. Yeah, I think they're done.
How do they continue after this? I think they're done?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
But to sit here and try to escape, go aj Manna.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
You make no, you make a powerful argument. I'm not convinced,
but I'd like to see the video of of I mean,
he should have had a separate conversation with him, just
to make sure he was cool, because I.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Mean, but then again, we're crossing that line of aj
Manna's responsibility versus the responsibility of a promoter.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
But what does aj Manna like has he addressed? What
is he addressed about this? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Like?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Did he so? He claims he was that video was
in character. Did he ever say anything about a separate
conversation or that, or that he knew that the promoter
had a separate conversation or anything.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Aj Manna conducts. This is from the Ring report. Aj
Manna conducts a lengthy and profanity laced interview telling his
side of the story.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I saw a part of it, but I didn't see
the whole thing. Although although then again I might have.
Where is that from? Because that might not be the
same clip that I saw. I might have seen a
different clips.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Send you a short clip of the interview.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Oh okay, I'll think send you.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I will send you the article I'm looking at right now.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You may have, yeah, you may have. You may have
swayed me on aj Manna. I'm I'm I'm open to
I'm open to that.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
You you have it now I'm scrolling.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Through by the way regarding about you know, what he
should be charged with. You know, it's quite possible, because
this happens all the time. It's quite possible they do
charge him with with attempted murder and then it gets
pleted down, or they go for a lesser charge jury
you know, gives them. It's different in every state. I
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don't know how it works in California. Well, I don't
know how it works in any of the states actually,
because I've never been any kind of you know, I've
never pummeled a man half to death, but so I've
never been in that situation. But uh so, I know
in every state it works a little bit differently. But
it may start out he may initially be charged with
attempted murder, and then it gets pleted down, a deal
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is made something, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, I mean look, and here's the thing is the
video is over an hour long. Yeah, aj Nanna's in
it for eight minutes. Yeah, he had the least His
point is, I had the least amount of involvement in
this shit show.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
However, he's lost his primary job, he's lost all of
his bookings.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, and yeah, he doesn't do himself any favors with
by the way I looked at I saw that is
the video that I saw, But I think I just
didn't watch the whole thing. I'll have to go back
and give that another look. He doesn't do himself any
favors with that. He should he should really just not
say anything, let this play out.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, bet no, because that's what the promotion told him
to do.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
No, no, no, I'm sorry. What just to clarify, I
just mean he shouldn't say anything publicly, but he should.
I'm glad you brought that up because the promotion told them,
you know, don't talk to law enforcement without talking to
us first. And that's not good. That's true.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I had substruction a justice.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
That's uh yeah, that's And then you have this Danger
Pro Wrestling another w W e i D Wrestling federation.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I didn't know they were w W I D two
Yes day all Holy.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
W W E I D needs to come up with
some with a better vetting process.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Oh my god. So for people who don't know, so
this Danger Pro Wrestling, they announced that they had booked
Raja Jackson for a show, right, and what are they
what are they saying now? They backmedled, and now they're
saying it was a publicity stunt.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yep, it was a publicity stunt because the the host
venue came out and said he says, he said, we
do not approve you booking him. We had no idea
you were gonna book him. He isn't allowed in our building.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Wow. Like it was a publicity stunt to sell tickets and.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
A pretty distasteful one. Yeah, wwe They might just have
to rethink this whole id program because.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
A process, what the hell? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Wow, this is like hiring. This is like setting up
Neverland Ranch to be a childcare. What the hell are
we doing? So?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
What do you think of my scenario? Though? They charge
him with attempted murder, but it ends up it ends
up being felonious assault in the end.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I think, I think, as much as I you made many, many,
many good points, I don't think they start there. I
think they start with felonious assault and work their way down.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Okay, I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
They do not want this to go to trial. They
do not want this to go to court.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I think Rader Jackson ends up serving a year maybe.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Under Oh god, I hope it's more than that.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
And he's responsible for Psycho Steu's.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Medical bills and uh emotion uh and damages, which damages
covers a wide variety of things in this case emotional.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Uh yeah, just yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And he's gonna sue. I mean, I assume he's gonna
sue the hell out of anybody he can. Like not
you'll sue Knox Pro Wrestling out of existence. I would
imagine he might not be able to you don't think.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
So when you. The big thing is is what waivers
did Psycho Stu sign? What waivers have.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
It's not gonna matter, I don't think. I don't think
whatever he signed is not gonna matter when you when you,
when you've been assaulted like that.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
It might depending on the State Athletic Commission's rules. Again,
we haven't heard anything from the California State Athletic Commission
on this.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
No, and that's also shocking, while.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
They're probably sitting here trying to sort through all this shit. Yeah,
I would almost have to guess that this show was sanctioned.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I would hope this show was sanctioned. I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It works in California. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I would hope that if you're associated with WWE it's sanctioned,
which given the track record a WWEID, I don't know
if it was sanctioned right right, but I guarantee you
the State Athletic Commission is there. I would say the
Athletic Commission is looking into this more than the DA is.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
May very well be the case. I can't believe Ran
not been arrested.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I mean, there's a lot to unpack here, a lot
to unpack.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
So what did you who?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I'm curious. Who do you think had the worst take?
I say, Mark Henry.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Mark Henry, Yeah it was Mark. I think close close second?
Is I think distant second?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Sorry? Is chail Son in?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah? His take is pretty bad, especially.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
As a guy that's never worked pro wrestling.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, and then I think Rob Van dam gets a pass,
cause when your brain's bob water and seeds, you say
stupid shit.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah. I've checked out some of our vd's content and
he just seems like a CTE adult idiot, Like he's
nothing he says is coherent.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
He's gonna be uh DVD pretty What do you mean,
Daddy van Damn?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Oh, he's having a kid, he's having two, Oh God
help them twins. Yeah, that's too.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Bad him and Katie Forbes.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Oh God, but yeah, Mark, Mark Henry.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
That's that's so mean. Congratulations to the budding couple.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
God, those kids are gonna be stoned before they're a
month old.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Uh, they got stoned off the seamen made to create them?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Probably? Probably?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I don't wonder that the semen found the way to
the egg.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, I know, right wrong, turning out the turkey. They're
gonna they're gonna have the munchies right out of the chuote.
Mark Mark Henry's take made me angry, Like I felt
my blood just boiling because Mark Henry. After watching his
take on it, Mark Henry seems like the kind of
guy who, if a woman is sexually assault says, you know,
well what was she wearing? You know?
Speaker 5 (31:03):
I mean, he just he he goes out of his
way to bury Psycho Sue Psycho Stu and has zero
criticism for Rajah Jackson and acts like it's not even.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
A big deal. I was horrified. Mark Henry is a
piece of shit in my opinion. I mean, I was
furious watching this mushed mouth idiot on TMZ just just
talk about, well, what kind of an example for an
Army veteran, his psycho Stu and you know, implying that
he got what he had come into him and he
(31:39):
had nothing, nothing negative to say about what Raja Jackson did.
I was mortified by this guy. Could not believe it.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I don't know if I can follow up that very
strong take.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I know it's strong. It might seem a little stiff,
but that's that's just how I felt. I was like, Wow,
what a piece of shit. That's what kept going through
my mind as I'm listening to him talk. I was like, wow,
I just have no respect for Mark Henry zero zero.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Look, I will say Henry and Van dam and Son
and all three blame the promotion, which is one accurate.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
However, the wheels fall off once you start defending actions.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Oh yeah, jayl Sonan was talking about what a great
guy Rajah Jackson is. Oh he's such a good guy.
I love him so much.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Polite, I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Hell, I'm sure people said the same thing about Jeffrey
Dahmer as well.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Bud, Yes, yes, I'm sure they did.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Me.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
You know, also amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Quiet, such a don't even start on that sack of ship.
Look maiden Huffman. Who gives their shit what fucking Maiden
Huffman has to say about the fucking wrestling business in
twenty twenty five. Who gives a what Mavin Huffman had
(33:15):
to say about the wrestling business in two thousand and five?
Who gave a fuck what Mayven Huffman had to Fuck
Mayden Huffman, you didn't even earn your spot in professional wrestling.
You competed on a show. You didn't even pay any dues.
Your competition on the show was a guy who had
(33:36):
a hole in his shorts.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
And his ball sack was hanging out.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I remember that, Jesus Christ, and fuck Maiden Huffman.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Well, I've actually enjoyed some of his content, but I
will just say.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
No, I don't enjoy any of his content because you
know what, that grifting son of a bitch. He sits
here and was on CNN and kisses Vince Russo's ass
when these allegations Vince McMahon came up and you couldn't yeah,
I've a people are like, oh, Maybn Huffsman was close
(34:13):
to Vince. Vince couldn't even spell his name without the
accountants signing the checks. Yea Magan Huffman was as close
to Vince as I am.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Maven referred to what Rajah Jackson did as borderline assault.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
He was kind I refer to Mavn Huffman as a
borderline professional wrestler.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Whenever I think of Mavin, do you know what I
think of I think of when the.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Player burying him on Raw, when he said I've had
more women than you've had matches.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Well, and I think of Maven. I think of his
speech the night that he won tough enough and and
he gave this speech where he he was trying to
be gracious. Do you remember this like he was trying
to be I think he was trying to come off
as gracious. He's like, I just want to thank everyone
who came before me. And he kept saying it, like
all the legends who came before me in this business.
But it came off really weird because it was almost
like he.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Was he couldn't name the legends.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
It was so bizarre because it's like he sounds like
a guy who's already accomplished something in the business, and
now he's like thanking everyone who came before him. It's
like one It was one very bizarre one look.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Mavn Huffman is nothing more than a clout chasing pecker head.
You this guy gets on his podcast and it's like
every episode he has a new best friend in the business.
Me and Randy are tight, Me and Rob are tight.
Me and and it's like, you know, these guys don't
know you from the frust and condom that conceived your ass.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
All right. Now, if a genie offered you a choice,
either Rajah Jackson could be charged with murder or, for
some unforeseen reason, Mayven huff could be charged with murder.
Who do you pick?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Who?
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Ah, that's tough.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That's tough, because Maybon Huffman's crime is that he somehow
weaseled a decade long pro wrestling career out of being
an absolute sack of shit. Rajah Jackson made a serious mistake.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
For one minute.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I mean, so did Mabn Huffman's parents when they had
sex without contraceptive Yes? Yes, best part of him trickled
down his mama's thigh.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
You fuck him? You know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Even think Maven deserves So I'm gonna go with Rajah
Jackson being charged with murder.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Now, I'm curious, who do you think I had the
best take. Is there anyone whose take you thought was
really good? I think JBL had a really good take.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I think JBL. I think Bubba Ray had a good
take on it.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I haven't seen his yet.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Ogeal raise was essentially it's at the feet of everyone.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Yeah you know, uh uh I I'm trying to look
for takes.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I had this saved.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Actually, JBL's was my personal favorite because he really really
went out of his way to say, look, ultimately, Rajah
Jackson is at fault here and there's no there's no
excusing it. So I felt like his take kind of
mirrored mind the closest, even though he did say, yes,
everyone is at fault and I think so too. But although,
like I said, you might have swayed me a little
bit on aj Mona, I might have been too tough
(37:44):
on him. I'm gonna have to.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I think in the realm of things that, in the
realm of Blaine m hm aj Mona deserves like two
percent of this, Like guy was in character.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, yeah, now that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
And look, if you're the promoter and you're running this
shit show, look Devil's advocate time, I suppose.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I suppose you could.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Say that aj Mana should have given the climate of
that promotion kat and been my kid, you know what
the fuck you're doing? Yeah, maybe he should have done that. Yeah,
but everyone's in armchair quarterback. You can sit here and
(38:44):
say I would have done it. Yeah, you got your
own match. You're working towards you. Why am I gonna
worry about something that's a management decision when I'm just
a worker. If you work in a fat food restaurant,
are you gonna worry about the drawer being off if
you just emptied the trash for the entire shift?
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Right right?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
No?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah, Uh. I'm trying to find a couple takes here.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Like I said, I think J JD from n Y
had well probably he had my favorite take on it,
and I think JBL would be number two. But but
I like, I like what JBL had to say about it.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
JBL, I think is JBL is probably the best.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
I'd agree with that. I just think some of these
guys look at who.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
They're friends with, and and I am gonna gander that
all three of these guys are tight with Rampage, And
you know what, sometimes friendships gotta go on the wayside,
(40:19):
and you got to defend what's right. And Yeah, if
you're gonna sit here and be like if you're friends
with brand Page, call and be like, your son fucked up,
your son ship on the business that has provided so
much for me.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
And I. Well, there are.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Many people that are at fault here. Your son, your
son took advantage of the situation.
Speaker 7 (40:52):
Yeah, and you know, I can't condone that I'm gonna
go out into the the business that has given me.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Everything I have, like.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, and for Jail Sonning, like, Jail, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
What do you know about the wrestling business? You've never worked?
You you don't know what a shit? You don't know
a headlock from mlock.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I was pretty disappointed in his take.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Everyone's an expert swimmer until they jump.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
In the pool, Like, shut up, you don't know about
the business. Your friends with CM punk and I'm sure
you're friends with a lot of pro wrestlers.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
What do you fucking do? Does it make you knowledgeable? Huffman?
Why do you have to bring up that ship?
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Well?
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Here should be for for our viewers, for those who
are watching the show instead of just listening, should we, uh,
little palate cleanser, There our Goddess of the VPN, Stephanie McMahon.
That doesn't it doesn't even huffman. I guess, uh yeah, Well,
any anything else to say on the matter, or should
(42:32):
we put a put a pin in this one, put
a button on it.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
It just.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Shame on knock X or whatever the hell it's called.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Shame on everyone, Shame on Raghishi like and his cousin
for having their names on this ship pile. And do
you know what, Yeah, you anyone can sit here and
argue if Psycho Stu is a legit pro wrestler, if whatever,
(43:07):
but one thing you can't do is diminished that this
man has suffered a gravy.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
We don't even know he could.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I mean he has been released from the hospital that
broke yesterday or today. But man, like, if I were
an mm A promotion, I wouldn't want Roger.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Like this is, I mean, just a tragic situation.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
And there are many many at fault, and I firmly
believe in I firmly believe that the ones at fault
were not going to get to the bottom of
Well, and now I do not have a picture of
Rajah Jackson prepared because I don't want to look at him.
Uh but uh, I got a lot to say, and
I bet you do too. This whole uh Knox Pro
is that the name of the promotion Knox Pro.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Give this ship Outlaw mud Show, Flea Market, trailer park.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Just how how the only.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Reason Brandon Williams, one of my best friends, was having
a phone conversation with me briefly before the show before
the show, and he said, the only reason WWE was
involved with this show is Rakishi.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Oh of course, yeah we should. We should clarify that
though for people who don't who don't know, So, WWE
has their I D program. What is it called official? Lady?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
You know WWE I D?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
This is called ww ID. So they're there are these
wrestling schools around the country that they are affiliated with promotions.
Why aren't they aren't they also wrestling schools and promotion?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Okay, yes, that that that that are affiliated with WWE.
And and I had actually forgotten that that even existed.
It's like they announced it and it was a big
deal and then I think within a week it just
fell out of my brain until this happened, and I
was like, oh, yeah, that's right, which, by the way,
I should have remembered because there's a school in New
Hampshire that is part of this the program. But but yeah, so,
(01:36):
uh well, I almost don't know where to start, and
maybe you don't either. I'm just gonna throw some thoughts
out here either.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I was actually like, how do we even unpack all this?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And I'm like, you know what, I'm going to depend
on the professionalism of matt Onorkon.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Okay, okay, I should have told you that before the show.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
No, no, it doesn't matter. I like the spontaneity, you.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Know what, Fuck it. I'm just the talent. I show up,
I talk, I leave.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
That is it. I'm just gonna sit here and be like,
Matt no, you buddy.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
No.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I uh well, First of all, so I assume anyone
who is consuming this content has seen what happened, knows
the story, so we probably don't have to go through
the entire story. But I'm very curious I believe that.
Uh So, First of all, Rajah Jackson has not been arrested.
Correct unless something is changing, I'm not, which is shocking
to me, which is shocking to me.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Look, I'm not and here's why you This is gonna
be very, very very tough for charges to stick all.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I do.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
And here is why. Because you're you. You are going
to be circumventing what happens in a show with legal action.
And I guarantee you the DA that has this case
(03:14):
more than likely knows nothing about professional wrestling right, more
than likely has no idea about terms like work, shoot, receipt,
none of that.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I guarantee you.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
They're looking at the first way to say, oh, it
was a part of the show.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
No charges.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I think that I disagree. And here's why. You've got
all this video leading up to and I know some
of the video is these these these morons at this promotion,
who were I mean, every everybody involved in this looks
really bad leading up to what happened. But there's also
all this video because Rajah Jackson was streaming this on Kick,
(04:01):
there's all this video of him talking about I'm gonna
kick his ass, I'm gonna get on him, I'm gonna
start punching. I'm not gonna stop. He's getting ginned up
by by everybody in his little kickstream, you know, encouraging
him to beat the shit out of the guy. At
one point he hears from his dad, or maybe at
multiple points he hears from his dad Rampage Jackson, who's
telling him, Oh, you look like a bit. You let
a professional wrestler do that to you, this and that.
(04:23):
So I think there's a lot there that shows premeditation.
And and if you know, if the DA looks at
that video, he's going to see Rajah Jackson on top
of an unconscious man repeatedly striking him in the head.
I don't see how they cannot charge him with and
I will say this attempted murder. I believe that he
(04:43):
should be charged with attempted murder. That's my position.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I think that's a bit steep.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I'll tell you why I think that. You know why
I think that because I was thinking about this, Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Do they assault?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Right? I I had this, I had this, I went
through this in my own brain trying to figure that
out for myself. The conclusion that I arrived at is
it's attempted murder. And here's this is my logic. Because
if no one had pulled him off, and they were
slow in doing so, right, But if no one had intervened,
and he had just continued to strike him, just continued
(05:19):
to strike him, which he was not going to stop
unless someone intervened, No doubt, in my mind, uh, Psychostu
would be dead. He was on his way to killing him.
And that is why, in my mind it absolutely is
attempted murder. If no one had intervened, he would have
killed him. He there's not a singled out in my mind,
Psycho Stu would be dead, that Roger Jackson would have
(05:44):
murdered him right in front of everybody.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I'm sorry, go ahead, thank you, Sure, you're I you
make a lot of great points, Matt. Here's one thing
that you missed. There is an argument, and it's a
very valid one. If Rajah Jackson's legal team wants to
make it what mental state was Rajah Jackson. In Rajah Jackson,
(06:20):
it's documented had a concussion.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Sure, when this occurred, when you.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Are concussed, you do not act rationally and have sudden
moon swings. You can have various issues. Now, does this
excuse what he did?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
The videos prove that he was cognizant of what was
going on in what he was doing. But I think
that the video the concuss. You also have to prove
that the concussion had nothing to do with his actions,
(07:07):
and I think that's very hard to do.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Because you will any doctor is going.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
To say, and I can tell by your look you
don't like it, but you have to agree it's a
valid point. Any doctor is going to say, yes, this
his behavior could have been a result of a concussion.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Here's where I disagree. I mean, I think that that
that's probably the defense's best shot. I think that that
that would be their best defense. And I understand also.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Another defense that you were missing out on here.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Well, let what we can get to that one. But
let me let me just say about about this. I
think that's his best probably his best defense. But the
thing is, though, where I disagree, And you know, neither
of us our lawyers, and so I don't I don't
claim to know a lot about the law. But I'm skeptical.
You said that in order for them to prove intent
to murder, they have to prove that the concussion had
(08:13):
nothing to do with this. I think the burden of
proof I would tend to shift the burden of proof.
I think that I think it would have to be
more the other way. They would have to the process.
The defense would have to prove I mean, they'd have
to get some experts in there who are willing to say, yes,
the concussion may have caused him to strike this man
(08:35):
in the face more than twe an unconscious man in
the face more than twenty times. I just I disagree
with where you're placing the burden of proof, I think
is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And I get that I'm saying that not his not
the action, not the assault. Yeah, what they what they
I think what they can can what they should try
to do is you just have to put a reasonable
doubt into the jury.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
You don't have to prove your case.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
If you have enough evidence that you can say Rajah
Jackson had a concussion, that's already been proven. Concussions can
cause erratic behavior, sudden mood swings, violent outbursts.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
That's already been proven.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Now, can you tie a concussion to Rajah Jackson.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's gonna be up to them to do.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
And I think it's I think the other thing you're
forgetting is the intoxication aspect ssycho stew It is heavily
rumored all the workers were drinking before the show.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It's not rumored. They're on video. They're they're hanging out
having some mirrors. Yeah. Oh no, now they're all they're
all irresponsible idiots, all all these people. I'm not debating
that at all. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Now, with that being said, that also has to be
looked at and considered. Was Roger Jackson intoxicated? Now we're
getting into if you already have a concussion and you're drinking,
what does that do? Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
What's it due?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
When the boss, the promoter of this of Knocks Knock X,
is on tape saying, really lay into him, really give
it to him, get your receipt. Yeah yeah, and you
know that's the guy who's running the show.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Oh yeah, Oh everybody. There's a lot of blame to
go around.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, and you, I mean, and I'm not saying you,
I'm saying in general, people just want to put this
all at Rajah Jackson's feet. Oh.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
A lot of people, a lot of people are defending him.
I mean, hell, Mark Henry blamed it all on him, Like.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Mark Henry, Rob Van Dam and Chail's son and are
idiots for blindly defending Rajah Jackson. What he was inexcusable,
but I'm also going to say if you watch the footage,
and when I first watched the footage, I don't know
(11:36):
why I noticed this, but my attention goes to it
every time when you watch the footage, watch Rajah Jackson.
He gets in the ring and pauses and looks around,
not just looks at PSYCHOSTU, looks around. Yeah, I firmly
(12:02):
believe that he was looking. Is everyone in their spots?
Is everyone where they said they were gonna be when
this goes down?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
And so they can pull me off.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Because a J mana the one of the wrestlers in
one of the videos that has been unceremoniously fired now
and can't get a booking. Yeah, because he's being blamed
for this as well, and unjustly, You like, I don't
(12:39):
see any blame he has in this.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
What is he being blamed for exactly that you that
you object to? What do you mean.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
They're saying that he gassed up Rajah Jackson?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Didn't he?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
And is it not as much as the promoter did?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Oh? Yeah, but but he was still a part of
it though. Wait, who's the cowboy guy? AJ's the cowboy guy?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yes, he says, give him over a scene.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Fuck that guy, all these all these people at this
at this place. This knocks pro wrestling. They They're like,
I'm watching that video and I'm watching their behavior like
leading up to this, and I'm thinking, I wouldn't trust
these people to run a kiosk at the mall selling
key chains, let alone a wrestling promotion. Like these people
are all fucking drunken, irresponsible morons who because Ratisi's name
(13:35):
is on the thing, they get to be a part
of wwei d All these people are just fucking idiots.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I mean, what pro wrestler isn't gonna tell a guy
to get a receipt, Well.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
He should have made it clear what he meant. He
doesn't use the word receipt correctly anyone. Like I've never
spent a single day in my life in the wrestling business,
but I know what receipt means. In this context, a
receipt is if you know you're in the ring or something,
somebody tags us, somebody potatoes a little too hard, you
gotta let him know. You hit him back. You get
a receipt, You'll not violently assault somebody.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
You're sitting there putting this at AJM and his feet
that he knew Rajah Jackson was gonna go out there
and beat the Bejesus out of Psycho stew.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
But if he's having but but shouldn't he have had
a conversation with Rajah Jackson, like, just so we're clear,
you're gonna get in there, you're gonna do Here's here's
how you do a working here's how you do a
working punch.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Maybe no, no, No, that isn't on him, as someone
who's worked backstage at a pro wrestling at an indie show.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, that is on the promoter. Aj Manna.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Shouldn't have said receipt fine, right, Yeah, to put it all.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
At his feet.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Well, no, it was not all on him.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
You can't when you sit here and say he deserved
to be fired from his day job like he was.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yes, if he can't communicate something as simple as someone
who's not even a professional wrestler, If he can't, who's
going to be getting physically involved and he can't articulate
to this guy, Hey, here's what's going to happen. Here's
what you're gonna do, here's what you're not going to do.
Here's how we're gonna go through the whole thing. All
he says to him is, yeah, get in there and
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give him his fucking receipt, and if anyone tries to interfere,
I'll get in there too, I'll fuck them up or whatever.
He said. That's what he's on video saying. No, aj
Man is an irresponsible fuckhead and he does deserve to
be fired. He has no place in the wrestling business,
mister fucking cowboy idiot. No, he deserves Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I'm not saying wrestling business.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, saying his typical forty hour a week job. Yeah,
get fired from.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Oh yeah, I don't. I don't want to see the guy,
although I can kind of understand like his boss might
be looking at this, going.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
He's not the one the assault.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Are you going to fire someone? Are you going to
fire someone forgiving Billy Ray Jim.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Bob a firecracker?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
And he holds a firetracker in his hand and blows
it off.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I O, I agree with you in principle, But I
can also see how an employer might might look at
him and say, an employer might look at him and say,
this guy has really bad judgment. Do I really want
this person working for me? Because he's gonna to be fair.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Hey, Janana said, I said what I said in character,
which very well might have been in character. Because my
understanding is the storyline was him and Psycho Sue Stu
had a feud going and all this other jazz. So
it makes sense that he sits here and he says, hey,
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don't get your fucking receipt.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Take care of business. Now.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Well, no, that's a very valid point. Now if that's true,
If what he's saying is true, and he was saying
that in character, and hopefully there was a separate conversation which.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Should have been done with the promoter, I gree with
you there.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I agree with you there. So if if what aj
man is saying is true, then that does change things.
I can see that.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yes, yeah, like my understanding. And if I'm wrong, and
anyone's listening, you can say I'm wrong. I've said it before,
I'll say it again.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, please do.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
My understanding is Psycho Stew aj Manna they have a feud,
they're working a feud.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
It's an angle. Whatever the fuck.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Aj Mana sees this as an opportunity. Holy shit, I
can get our feud over even more in this mud show.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Sideshows circus freak bullshit, and he decides, I, okay, I'm
gonna be on video and tell him to get his
fucking receipt and when he does, it's gonna get Psycho
stew Over is the face because I had this trained
professional fighter beat his ass, not knowing that Rajah Jackson
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is on kick saying now he's gonna beat the big
Jesus out of this guy.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And and and aj Manna is doing this assuming that
the promoter has talked to Raja Jacksons.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Which the promoter is should have done. You.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
You make a very good point.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Who Rajah Jackson is here?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, Rajah Jackson is not a worker, that is said
in the video before the apology. Yeah, this guy ain't
a worker. Yeah, so why.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
In the hell are you gonna have him go in
the ring?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Well yeah yeah, oh yeah, no, every everything leading up
but having a conversation Yeah yeah, I mean, fuck.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Psycho Stew's probably like I'm having more than likely I'm
having this killer match. All the sudden, this jack dick
gets in the ring, slams them down and beats the holy.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Hell out of him.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, I mean, like and if I were in a
and someone asked me, well, why didn't aj Manna get
in and stop it? You're porn at that point, you
ain't gonna you don't want to break k fade.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Well, but you don't want to jump in there and
save him.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
But when you're watching a man being pummeled to death,
I mean potentially.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
You can notice that there might be some hesitation on
your end, like.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh, was this something worked out with.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Psychostu and Rajah and the promoter and the boys weren't
clued in?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Are they trying to do a work shoot?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
That's that's the problem with everyone wanting to shoot is
the boys are now like.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Are they trying to work a shoe?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Are they trying to get something over as a shoe?
I don't want to mess this up. I don't want
to miss a payday.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Right right? I mean my position ultimately, you know you're
and I understand your your your concussion argument, but that aside,
I will just say this, I think I think I
think everything was handled very poorly, even even Psycho Stu
with the beer cand of the head and everything. I
think everything that made no damn sense.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Why have they been doing that?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Because they was I think he was drunk. I mean,
to me, he looked intoxicated. So I think everybody, including
and I don't want to blame the victim, but I
think everybody, including Psycho Stu, just handled everything terribly leading
up to it. But ultimately, none of that, none of
that justifies what Raza Jackson did.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I'm not saying Rajah Jackson shouldn't have trying to stressed
on him in significant jail time. I'm saying I think
attempted murder is a stretch, because then you're going down
into that Pandora's box rabbit hole of mental stability that
can come up with concussions and all that jazz. I
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think what it is is felonious assault, and I think
he should have his state Athletic commission license revoked nationwide. Yes,
I think he needs to serve jail time.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yes, I agree.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I think this promotion needs to be shut the fuck down.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Oh, I think it's already happening. Yeah, I think they're done.
How do they continue after this? I think they're done?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
But to sit here and try to escape, go aj Manna.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
You make no, you make a powerful argument. I'm not convinced,
but I'd like to see the video of of I mean,
he should have had a separate conversation with him, just
to make sure he was cool, because I.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Mean, but then again, we're crossing that line of aj
Manna's responsibility versus the responsibility of a promoter.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
But what does aj Manna like has he addressed? What
is he addressed about this? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Like?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Did he so? He claims he was that video was
in character. Did he ever say anything about a separate
conversation or that, or that he knew that the promoter
had a separate conversation or anything.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Aj Manna conducts. This is from the Ring report. Aj
Manna conducts a lengthy and profanity laced interview telling his
side of the story.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I saw a part of it, but I didn't see
the whole thing. Although although then again I might have.
Where is that from? Because that might not be the
same clip that I saw. I might have seen a
different clips.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Send you a short clip of the interview.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Oh okay, I'll think send you.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I will send you the article I'm looking at right now.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You may have, yeah, you may have. You may have
swayed me on aj Manna. I'm I'm I'm open to
I'm open to that.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
You you have it now I'm scrolling.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Through by the way regarding about you know, what he
should be charged with. You know, it's quite possible, because
this happens all the time. It's quite possible they do
charge him with with attempted murder and then it gets
pleted down, or they go for a lesser charge jury
you know, gives them. It's different in every state. I
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don't know how it works in California. Well, I don't
know how it works in any of the states actually,
because I've never been any kind of you know, I've
never pummeled a man half to death, but so I've
never been in that situation. But uh so, I know
in every state it works a little bit differently. But
it may start out he may initially be charged with
attempted murder, and then it gets pleted down, a deal
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is made something, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, I mean look, and here's the thing is the
video is over an hour long. Yeah, aj Nanna's in
it for eight minutes. Yeah, he had the least His
point is, I had the least amount of involvement in
this shit show.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
However, he's lost his primary job, he's lost all of
his bookings.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, and yeah, he doesn't do himself any favors with
by the way I looked at I saw that is
the video that I saw, But I think I just
didn't watch the whole thing. I'll have to go back
and give that another look. He doesn't do himself any
favors with that. He should he should really just not
say anything, let this play out.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, bet no, because that's what the promotion told him
to do.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
No, no, no, I'm sorry. What just to clarify, I
just mean he shouldn't say anything publicly, but he should.
I'm glad you brought that up because the promotion told them,
you know, don't talk to law enforcement without talking to
us first. And that's not good. That's true.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I had substruction a justice.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
That's uh yeah, that's And then you have this Danger
Pro Wrestling another w W e i D Wrestling federation.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I didn't know they were w W I D two
Yes day all Holy.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
W W E I D needs to come up with
some with a better vetting process.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Oh my god. So for people who don't know, so
this Danger Pro Wrestling, they announced that they had booked
Raja Jackson for a show, right, and what are they
what are they saying now? They backmedled, and now they're
saying it was a publicity stunt.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yep, it was a publicity stunt because the the host
venue came out and said he says, he said, we
do not approve you booking him. We had no idea
you were gonna book him. He isn't allowed in our building.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Wow. Like it was a publicity stunt to sell tickets and.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
A pretty distasteful one. Yeah, wwe They might just have
to rethink this whole id program because.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
A process, what the hell? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Wow, this is like hiring. This is like setting up
Neverland Ranch to be a childcare. What the hell are
we doing? So?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
What do you think of my scenario? Though? They charge
him with attempted murder, but it ends up it ends
up being felonious assault in the end.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I think, I think, as much as I you made many, many,
many good points, I don't think they start there. I
think they start with felonious assault and work their way down.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Okay, I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
They do not want this to go to trial. They
do not want this to go to court.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I think Rader Jackson ends up serving a year maybe.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Under Oh god, I hope it's more than that.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
And he's responsible for Psycho Steu's.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Medical bills and uh emotion uh and damages, which damages
covers a wide variety of things in this case emotional.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Uh yeah, just yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And he's gonna sue. I mean, I assume he's gonna
sue the hell out of anybody he can. Like not
you'll sue Knox Pro Wrestling out of existence. I would
imagine he might not be able to you don't think.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
So when you. The big thing is is what waivers
did Psycho Stu sign? What waivers have.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
It's not gonna matter, I don't think. I don't think
whatever he signed is not gonna matter when you when you,
when you've been assaulted like that.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
It might depending on the State Athletic Commission's rules. Again,
we haven't heard anything from the California State Athletic Commission
on this.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
No, and that's also shocking, while.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
They're probably sitting here trying to sort through all this shit. Yeah,
I would almost have to guess that this show was sanctioned.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I would hope this show was sanctioned. I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It works in California. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I would hope that if you're associated with WWE it's sanctioned,
which given the track record a WWEID, I don't know
if it was sanctioned right right, but I guarantee you
the State Athletic Commission is there. I would say the
Athletic Commission is looking into this more than the DA is.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
May very well be the case. I can't believe Ran
not been arrested.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I mean, there's a lot to unpack here, a lot
to unpack.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
So what did you who?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I'm curious. Who do you think had the worst take?
I say, Mark Henry.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Mark Henry, Yeah it was Mark. I think close close second?
Is I think distant second?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Sorry? Is chail Son in?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah? His take is pretty bad, especially.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
As a guy that's never worked pro wrestling.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, and then I think Rob Van dam gets a pass,
cause when your brain's bob water and seeds, you say
stupid shit.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah. I've checked out some of our vd's content and
he just seems like a CTE adult idiot, Like he's
nothing he says is coherent.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
He's gonna be uh DVD pretty What do you mean,
Daddy van Damn?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Oh, he's having a kid, he's having two, Oh God
help them twins. Yeah, that's too.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Bad him and Katie Forbes.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Oh God, but yeah, Mark, Mark Henry.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
That's that's so mean. Congratulations to the budding couple.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
God, those kids are gonna be stoned before they're a
month old.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Uh, they got stoned off the seamen made to create them?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Probably? Probably?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I don't wonder that the semen found the way to
the egg.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, I know, right wrong, turning out the turkey. They're
gonna they're gonna have the munchies right out of the chuote.
Mark Mark Henry's take made me angry, Like I felt
my blood just boiling because Mark Henry. After watching his
take on it, Mark Henry seems like the kind of
guy who, if a woman is sexually assault says, you know,
well what was she wearing? You know?
Speaker 5 (31:03):
I mean, he just he he goes out of his
way to bury Psycho Sue Psycho Stu and has zero
criticism for Rajah Jackson and acts like it's not even.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
A big deal. I was horrified. Mark Henry is a
piece of shit in my opinion. I mean, I was
furious watching this mushed mouth idiot on TMZ just just
talk about, well, what kind of an example for an
Army veteran, his psycho Stu and you know, implying that
he got what he had come into him and he
(31:39):
had nothing, nothing negative to say about what Raja Jackson did.
I was mortified by this guy. Could not believe it.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I don't know if I can follow up that very
strong take.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I know it's strong. It might seem a little stiff,
but that's that's just how I felt. I was like, Wow,
what a piece of shit. That's what kept going through
my mind as I'm listening to him talk. I was like, wow,
I just have no respect for Mark Henry zero zero.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Look, I will say Henry and Van dam and Son
and all three blame the promotion, which is one accurate.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
However, the wheels fall off once you start defending actions.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Oh yeah, jayl Sonan was talking about what a great
guy Rajah Jackson is. Oh he's such a good guy.
I love him so much.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Polite, I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Hell, I'm sure people said the same thing about Jeffrey
Dahmer as well.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Bud, Yes, yes, I'm sure they did.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Me.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
You know, also amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Quiet, such a don't even start on that sack of ship.
Look maiden Huffman. Who gives their shit what fucking Maiden
Huffman has to say about the fucking wrestling business in
twenty twenty five. Who gives a what Mavin Huffman had
(33:15):
to say about the wrestling business in two thousand and five?
Who gave a fuck what Mayven Huffman had to Fuck
Mayden Huffman, you didn't even earn your spot in professional wrestling.
You competed on a show. You didn't even pay any dues.
Your competition on the show was a guy who had
(33:36):
a hole in his shorts.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
And his ball sack was hanging out.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I remember that, Jesus Christ, and fuck Maiden Huffman.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Well, I've actually enjoyed some of his content, but I
will just say.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
No, I don't enjoy any of his content because you
know what, that grifting son of a bitch. He sits
here and was on CNN and kisses Vince Russo's ass
when these allegations Vince McMahon came up and you couldn't yeah,
I've a people are like, oh, Maybn Huffsman was close
(34:13):
to Vince. Vince couldn't even spell his name without the
accountants signing the checks. Yea Magan Huffman was as close
to Vince as I am.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Maven referred to what Rajah Jackson did as borderline assault.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
He was kind I refer to Mavn Huffman as a
borderline professional wrestler.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Whenever I think of Mavin, do you know what I
think of I think of when the.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Player burying him on Raw, when he said I've had
more women than you've had matches.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Well, and I think of Maven. I think of his
speech the night that he won tough enough and and
he gave this speech where he he was trying to
be gracious. Do you remember this like he was trying
to be I think he was trying to come off
as gracious. He's like, I just want to thank everyone
who came before me. And he kept saying it, like
all the legends who came before me in this business.
But it came off really weird because it was almost
like he.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Was he couldn't name the legends.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
It was so bizarre because it's like he sounds like
a guy who's already accomplished something in the business, and
now he's like thanking everyone who came before him. It's
like one It was one very bizarre one look.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Mavn Huffman is nothing more than a clout chasing pecker head.
You this guy gets on his podcast and it's like
every episode he has a new best friend in the business.
Me and Randy are tight, Me and Rob are tight.
Me and and it's like, you know, these guys don't
know you from the frust and condom that conceived your ass.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
All right. Now, if a genie offered you a choice,
either Rajah Jackson could be charged with murder or, for
some unforeseen reason, Mayven huff could be charged with murder.
Who do you pick?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Who?
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Ah, that's tough.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That's tough, because Maybon Huffman's crime is that he somehow
weaseled a decade long pro wrestling career out of being
an absolute sack of shit. Rajah Jackson made a serious mistake.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
For one minute.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I mean, so did Mabn Huffman's parents when they had
sex without contraceptive Yes? Yes, best part of him trickled
down his mama's thigh.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
You fuck him? You know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Even think Maven deserves So I'm gonna go with Rajah
Jackson being charged with murder.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Now, I'm curious, who do you think I had the
best take. Is there anyone whose take you thought was
really good? I think JBL had a really good take.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I think JBL. I think Bubba Ray had a good
take on it.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I haven't seen his yet.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Ogeal raise was essentially it's at the feet of everyone.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Yeah you know, uh uh I I'm trying to look
for takes.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I had this saved.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Actually, JBL's was my personal favorite because he really really
went out of his way to say, look, ultimately, Rajah
Jackson is at fault here and there's no there's no
excusing it. So I felt like his take kind of
mirrored mind the closest, even though he did say, yes,
everyone is at fault and I think so too. But although,
like I said, you might have swayed me a little
bit on aj Mona, I might have been too tough
(37:44):
on him. I'm gonna have to.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I think in the realm of things that, in the
realm of Blaine m hm aj Mona deserves like two
percent of this, Like guy was in character.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, yeah, now that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
And look, if you're the promoter and you're running this
shit show, look Devil's advocate time, I suppose.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I suppose you could.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Say that aj Mana should have given the climate of
that promotion kat and been my kid, you know what
the fuck you're doing? Yeah, maybe he should have done that. Yeah,
but everyone's in armchair quarterback. You can sit here and
(38:44):
say I would have done it. Yeah, you got your
own match. You're working towards you. Why am I gonna
worry about something that's a management decision when I'm just
a worker. If you work in a fat food restaurant,
are you gonna worry about the drawer being off if
you just emptied the trash for the entire shift?
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Right right?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
No?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah, Uh. I'm trying to find a couple takes here.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Like I said, I think J JD from n Y
had well probably he had my favorite take on it,
and I think JBL would be number two. But but
I like, I like what JBL had to say about it.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
JBL, I think is JBL is probably the best.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
I'd agree with that. I just think some of these
guys look at who.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
They're friends with, and and I am gonna gander that
all three of these guys are tight with Rampage, And
you know what, sometimes friendships gotta go on the wayside,
(40:19):
and you got to defend what's right. And Yeah, if
you're gonna sit here and be like if you're friends
with brand Page, call and be like, your son fucked up,
your son ship on the business that has provided so
much for me.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
And I. Well, there are.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Many people that are at fault here. Your son, your
son took advantage of the situation.
Speaker 7 (40:52):
Yeah, and you know, I can't condone that I'm gonna
go out into the the business that has given me.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Everything I have, like.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, and for Jail Sonning, like, Jail, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
What do you know about the wrestling business? You've never worked?
You you don't know what a shit? You don't know
a headlock from mlock.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I was pretty disappointed in his take.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Everyone's an expert swimmer until they jump.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
In the pool, Like, shut up, you don't know about
the business. Your friends with CM punk and I'm sure
you're friends with a lot of pro wrestlers.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
What do you fucking do? Does it make you knowledgeable? Huffman?
Why do you have to bring up that ship?
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Well?
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Here should be for for our viewers, for those who
are watching the show instead of just listening, should we, uh,
little palate cleanser, There our Goddess of the VPN, Stephanie McMahon.
That doesn't it doesn't even huffman. I guess, uh yeah, Well,
any anything else to say on the matter, or should
(42:32):
we put a put a pin in this one, put
a button on it.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
It just.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Shame on knock X or whatever the hell it's called.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Shame on everyone, Shame on Raghishi like and his cousin
for having their names on this ship pile. And do
you know what, Yeah, you anyone can sit here and
argue if Psycho Stu is a legit pro wrestler, if whatever,
(43:07):
but one thing you can't do is diminished that this
man has suffered a gravy.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
We don't even know he could.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I mean he has been released from the hospital that
broke yesterday or today. But man, like, if I were
an mm A promotion, I wouldn't want Roger.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Like this is, I mean, just a tragic situation.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
And there are many many at fault, and I firmly
believe in I firmly believe that the ones at fault
were not going to get to the bottom of
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