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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, should we start with this, I definitely have a
picture for oh boy, So we start with Brett Heart's.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
No one wants a picture of what this is about.
No one wants to even visualize what this is about.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
No, that's true. Brett Hart your favorite wrestler of all time,
My my number two. He is my second favorite of
all time. But he in fact recently did a an
interview where he made a claim.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
It was a he's doing like a tour of England
like Q and A sessions. Okay, and that's when he
said this allegation.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yes, Now do you have the the text of what
he said?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I he yes, this is from russell zone dot com.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Basically, uh, he said the issues between him, Michaels, and
McMahon went far beyond normal backstage politics. He suggested that
he was caught between two lovers at the time and
believed Michael used his alleged relationship with McMahon to rise
to the top. I think that Seawan and Vince were
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sleeping with each other. I'm just telling you, I think
I'm very close to the truth here. Shawn and Vince
were lovers. I'm being dead honest. When I look back
It's like I got caught between two lovers and I
got shafted and screwed over, and Shawn was so envious
and jealous of my position that he finally had to
sleep with Vince to get it. I would say to
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Sean if he were right here, I would actually like
to have Sean come clean and say, look, we were love,
because I'm sure they were. If I saw either Vince
or Shawan here, I would say, I think you guys
were lovers.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
He really, uh, he really goes out of his way
to uh, I don't. It's actually comical to me. Likes
and Brett. I don't know if he's trying to be
at all funny, but one of the things Brett is
known for not not necessarily known to casual fans, but
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people who have been around him will say that Brett
is known for having a very kind of a dry
sense of humor. And I'm not saying he's kidding here.
I think he's serious. But I do think it's funny
the way he keeps doing the way he says. You know,
if Brett and Sean were here right now, I would
say to I would say to them, I think you
were lovers, Like that's just funny to me.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
But I do not think this was said in jest.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
No, no, no, I don't think he was kidding. I just
think it's but I do think he's adding a little
bit of humor, the way he just so, the way
he just deadpans at you know, if they were here today,
I would tell them I think you guys were lovers.
I just think that's funny.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Here's my here's where I'm at. And look, everyone, everyone
knows I'm huge Brett Heart fan. Yeah heart, Yeah, really
love Brett Hart's work. Yes, Brett, please stop. This is
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getting rediculous. Look we can sit here and make jokes
about it, and there's plenty of jokes we could make,
believe me. But at the end of the day, to me,
this is Brett Hart trying to hang on to some
visage of controversy surrounding Vince McMahon's sexual proclivities, and because
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of that, I think it's very, very, very very disturbing
that this is the route he has decided to go down.
I don't see what the endgame is for Brett here,
because look, you made amends with Sean. I thought that
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was the whole point of you coming back in two
thousand and nine was to make amends with Sean.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And with Vince to an extent.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Hatchet was buried. Yeah, and then you turn around and
say something like this, I've defended Brett with the Goldberg hatred,
with the Triple H bashing, which I kind of gave
a reason for, but said, I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, same, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I understand it, but I don't like it. This This
is pathetic that this is there's no other way to
put it. You like, imagine being Shawn Michael's children and
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seeing imagine being Sewn's wife.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And seeing this.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, it's very hypocritical of Brett Hart to do this because,
if you recall, he was very his One of his
major issues was the sunny Days comment Shawn made and
his wife having to go home and explain to his wife.
Never mind the fact that Brett was anything but faithful
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to his wife, Julie. He admitted as much in his biography.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, he talks about that. Yeah, he owns
up to it.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, but at the end, so I always thought it
was kind of weird that that angered him, because it's
like you're cheating on your wife anyway.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, but then to be to be effectively called out,
even even if he wasn't actually sleeping with Sunny, to
be called out for it on live on national television,
which he apparently didn't realize in real time it was happening,
like he didn't even quite catch it, he said, until
later when he realized what Sean had actually said. Like,
at first, it kind of went over his head. I
guess when that happened live.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I think it went over everyone's head, Yeah, because nobody knew.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Like I remember being like, huh is he talking about
I remember watching that live on television, being like, is
he talking about Psyche?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I think that was a large portion of the audience
was really just like huh yeah, yeah, well what Sunny
Days got to do with anything?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And she denies it, she said her.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
She said her and Bratt kissed once, and she laughed
because it was like kissing her dad. Yeah, which, if
you've had intimate kisses with your father, that's probably another
subject for another day.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Not I can honestly say I have not with my dad.
I have not either not then I guess you know
I love my.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Dad, But no, I mean I'm ambivalent.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, I mean I just, uh, what do you mean
you you want to kiss my dad?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
No, I'm ambivalent to my father.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So, oh, I understand, So you would kiss him maybe.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Well he's dead, so if I kissed him now, that
would be like necrophilia.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, that'd be pretty gross.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
That'd be that'd be out there.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That'd be even more gross if he was alive.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
We're alive. I probably wouldn't. Yeah there, Yeah, there isn't
anything there.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, all right, but moving on.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yes, like this is just cringe. That's the best way
to describe it. And at the end of the day,
it hurts Brett's legacy. I don't think these old time
wrestlers understand that when you say these ridiculous things in
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shoot interviews or Q and a's or the other things
anything like that, you're hurting yourself. You're not hurting the
people you're intending to hurt. And I don't know why
he would want.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
To hurt Sean, but there's there's always been this thing,
even after they reconciled, but he would say he would
still take shots at him.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I don't get it. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I mean nothing to this extent, but he would still
take shots at him, and and over time, it's like
the whole afterglow of of the uh forgive me freezing
that term, but of of their reconciling seems to have
worn off little by little over time from from Brett's
side at least, where you know, he's gradually been taking
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more and more pot shots at Sean when the subject
comes up, and then eventually to the point where well,
now he's saying this it really is.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And it's sad. It is so sad on so many levels.
Like Brett could probably I'm not gonna speak for Brett
because I'm not Brett, but Brett could theoretically do a
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tour just based off stories he has. He doesn't mean
to say these things. No, and I give this little
to no credit at all.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I look at this green, you don't.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
None, Like this is the most ridiculous this thing I
have ever heard in my life. Yeah, for all intents
and purposes, we've never heard of Sean having relations with
the guy. And I'm pretty sure Shawn Michaels, there's enough
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people from the Attitude era that have an extra grind
with Seawn Michaels that something were to have happened like this,
it would have come out.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
However, to be fair, Brett is not the first person
ever say this.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Who was the other one, one.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Of the road Warriors. I don't remember. If it was Hawker,
Animal had said something about this before.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, I mean, if it was Hawk, yeah, that's reliable.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I'm just saying this is not Brett's not the first
ever say it. I again, I don't think it's true,
but I don't. I'm just like.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
If he would have said, if he would have said
like x pac, I'd have been like, I can see it,
no offense to x poc at all. But x Pock's
a crazy guy, you know. He would have been like,
do your own thing. I guess I you know.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
So, I think I'm gonna I'm gonna play pop psychologists here.
I think that Brett. I think where this really comes
from is I think that Brett is on some level
jealous of the because from from by by most accounts,
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you know, Vince McMahon took on very much a paternal
role in the lives and careers, but not just the
you know, the careers, but but really in the lives
of both Sean and Brett. And I think if we
think of it, this way. So Vince is the father figure,
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Brett and Sean are the brothers, and Brett is jealous
that Dad loved Sean more than him. Dad loved them both,
but Dad loved Sean a little bit more because Dad
was willing to put up with more with a lot
of Sean's shit, and granted, Seawan behaved in ways that
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Brett Hart never would anyway, because Brett was always very professional,
but whereas Sewn went through a period where he, by
all accounts, was not. I think that some of this.
I think I think Brett carries resentment towards Sean because
Sean he feels that Seawan was Dad's favorite. With in this,
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in this metaphor, you know, with with Vince being dad,
Sean was Daddy's favorite, Why wasn't I Daddy's favorite? I
think where this, that's where the comes from.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I can see that in Yeah, in some sick twisted
world way that makes some sorry I'm adjusting my camera,
my apologies.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Oh that's okay. I don't even think in a sick
twisted way. I think it's I think I think it's
actually normal to have those kinds of feelings. I mean,
that's this, you know, being human.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
You know, I I get it.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I don't justify the way he's expressing it at all.
I agree with what you said. It is pathetic, it's
and it reflects poorly on him. But I really think
that's where this is coming from.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I you know, I'll go with that because it makes
a hell of a lot of sense. But just it
needs to stop. Oh yeah, like the bashing Triple H,
the bashing Sean like Goldberg, I even get. I even
get Goldberg like, fine, yeah, dude, ended your career and
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cost you millions. Fine, but the other guys. Look, I mean,
did Triple H know about the screw job? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
He did, Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Should he have told you? I'm torn on that. Keep
in mind, Triple H was still eating shit for for
the curtain Call, and Triple H had no loyalty to
Brett Hart. Let's yeah, let's let's put all the cards
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on the table here. There was no loyalty to Brett.
Triple H's loyalty was to the company and to Sean. Yeah, like,
if if the roles were reversed, let me put it
this way, if the roles were reversed, and Jim the anvil,
my heart knew that Brett was going to screw Sean.
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Would jimy invil my heart, would you be like, oh, Jim,
you should go to Sean and tell Sean.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
No, No, there's no loyalty.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
There right there. There isn't this a reason to do it,
So I don't. I've never understood the beef with Triple H.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
You know what, I think, same thing, same thing, Triple A.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I'm gonna I'm gonna disagree with you on that. Okay,
because Vince didn't like Triple H, then.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Well yeah, but but no, but I'm saying, though I'm
saying take the screw job out of it, I'm saying,
in a broader sense, Triple H marries into the family.
He's the son in law, and and and again, with
Vince as dad and Brett as the son. Brett feeling like,
on a subconscious level, Brett's probably never even thought about this.
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This is all subconscious, but this, and it's a theory.
I'm probably completely wrong, but Brett feels like Brett Brett
has resentment toward Triple H. Because how come the son
in law who married into the family, you know, now
he has all this power. I'm on the outside looking
in Meanwhile, the guy who married into the family is
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is you know, Daddy just basically gave him this huge empire. Again,
that's an oversimplification, obviously by very romanus magnitude, But I'm
just saying the psychology of it. Maybe that's where Brett's
resentment comes toward Triple H. Yeah, the screw job might
be the foundation of it. But then if Triple H
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were not in the power position that he's in, would
Brett be that bitter and angry toward him? I kind
of doubt it, But who knows.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I don't I don't know. I wish I could say that.
I wish I could sit here and say, Matt, no, no,
you know Brett would be a staunch supporter a Triple H.
But I can't, nor would I, because I don't know.
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If I don't know, I think Brett, as great as
he is in the ring, he is that much better
at holding a grudge. And you know, I'll take the
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same approach with Brett that we take with someone else,
that you can live in a world of misery and
anger and regret and blame others for everything you've done
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and everything wrong that's happened to you, but at some
point in your life, it's gonna happen where you have
to look in the mirror and say it's on me
that I need to have some culpability here.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yes, and.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I firmly I have no issue with his bitterness with Goldberg.
No issue with his bitterness towards Vince.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I think you mean Bill Goldberg.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yes, yes, Bill Goldberg. But to have it towards Sean,
Sean did his job, Brett. I'll ask this, if on
the snowballs chance in hell, Brett the hit me and
heart listens to this, Brett, if Sean didn't do the
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do what he did? Were you gonna pay his bills?
Were you gonna get him a job in WCW. Were
you gonna vouch for him like you vouched for davy
An Anvil? No to all of the above. R Sean
had a job to do. Yeah, and you know, Brett,
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a few months down the road, the shoe was on
the other foot. Sean had to give up the title.
He was a pain in the ass and doing it,
but he did it. I'm just saying, you know, I
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really hope that history looks back at Brett more for
his ring accomplishments than his out of ring allegations, but
with comical things like this, it's gonna be really hard.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah yeah, all right, Well, do any anything to add
on that? Or should we move on to the aut uh?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I don't have anything to add I just think it's
sad and pathetic.
Well, should we start with this, I definitely have a
picture for oh boy, So we start with Brett Heart's.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
No one wants a picture of what this is about.
No one wants to even visualize what this is about.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
No, that's true. Brett Hart your favorite wrestler of all time,
My my number two. He is my second favorite of
all time. But he in fact recently did a an
interview where he made a claim.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
It was a he's doing like a tour of England
like Q and A sessions. Okay, and that's when he
said this allegation.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yes, Now do you have the the text of what
he said?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I he yes, this is from russell zone dot com.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Basically, uh, he said the issues between him, Michaels, and
McMahon went far beyond normal backstage politics. He suggested that
he was caught between two lovers at the time and
believed Michael used his alleged relationship with McMahon to rise
to the top. I think that Seawan and Vince were
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sleeping with each other. I'm just telling you, I think
I'm very close to the truth here. Shawn and Vince
were lovers. I'm being dead honest. When I look back
It's like I got caught between two lovers and I
got shafted and screwed over, and Shawn was so envious
and jealous of my position that he finally had to
sleep with Vince to get it. I would say to
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Sean if he were right here, I would actually like
to have Sean come clean and say, look, we were love,
because I'm sure they were. If I saw either Vince
or Shawan here, I would say, I think you guys
were lovers.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
He really, uh, he really goes out of his way
to uh, I don't. It's actually comical to me. Likes
and Brett. I don't know if he's trying to be
at all funny, but one of the things Brett is
known for not not necessarily known to casual fans, but
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people who have been around him will say that Brett
is known for having a very kind of a dry
sense of humor. And I'm not saying he's kidding here.
I think he's serious. But I do think it's funny
the way he keeps doing the way he says. You know,
if Brett and Sean were here right now, I would
say to I would say to them, I think you
were lovers, Like that's just funny to me.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
But I do not think this was said in jest.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
No, no, no, I don't think he was kidding. I just
think it's but I do think he's adding a little
bit of humor, the way he just so, the way
he just deadpans at you know, if they were here today,
I would tell them I think you guys were lovers.
I just think that's funny.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Here's my here's where I'm at. And look, everyone, everyone
knows I'm huge Brett Heart fan. Yeah heart, Yeah, really
love Brett Hart's work. Yes, Brett, please stop. This is
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getting rediculous. Look we can sit here and make jokes
about it, and there's plenty of jokes we could make,
believe me. But at the end of the day, to me,
this is Brett Hart trying to hang on to some
visage of controversy surrounding Vince McMahon's sexual proclivities, and because
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of that, I think it's very, very, very very disturbing
that this is the route he has decided to go down.
I don't see what the endgame is for Brett here,
because look, you made amends with Sean. I thought that
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was the whole point of you coming back in two
thousand and nine was to make amends with Sean.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And with Vince to an extent.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Hatchet was buried. Yeah, and then you turn around and
say something like this, I've defended Brett with the Goldberg hatred,
with the Triple H bashing, which I kind of gave
a reason for, but said, I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, same, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I understand it, but I don't like it. This This
is pathetic that this is there's no other way to
put it. You like, imagine being Shawn Michael's children and
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seeing imagine being Sewn's wife.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And seeing this.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, it's very hypocritical of Brett Hart to do this because,
if you recall, he was very his One of his
major issues was the sunny Days comment Shawn made and
his wife having to go home and explain to his wife.
Never mind the fact that Brett was anything but faithful
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to his wife, Julie. He admitted as much in his biography.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, he talks about that. Yeah, he owns
up to it.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, but at the end, so I always thought it
was kind of weird that that angered him, because it's
like you're cheating on your wife anyway.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, but then to be to be effectively called out,
even even if he wasn't actually sleeping with Sunny, to
be called out for it on live on national television,
which he apparently didn't realize in real time it was happening,
like he didn't even quite catch it, he said, until
later when he realized what Sean had actually said. Like,
at first, it kind of went over his head. I
guess when that happened live.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I think it went over everyone's head, Yeah, because nobody knew.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Like I remember being like, huh is he talking about
I remember watching that live on television, being like, is
he talking about Psyche?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I think that was a large portion of the audience
was really just like huh yeah, yeah, well what Sunny
Days got to do with anything?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And she denies it, she said her.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
She said her and Bratt kissed once, and she laughed
because it was like kissing her dad. Yeah, which, if
you've had intimate kisses with your father, that's probably another
subject for another day.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Not I can honestly say I have not with my dad.
I have not either not then I guess you know
I love my.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Dad, But no, I mean I'm ambivalent.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, I mean I just, uh, what do you mean
you you want to kiss my dad?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
No, I'm ambivalent to my father.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So, oh, I understand, So you would kiss him maybe.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Well he's dead, so if I kissed him now, that
would be like necrophilia.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, that'd be pretty gross.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
That'd be that'd be out there.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That'd be even more gross if he was alive.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
We're alive. I probably wouldn't. Yeah there, Yeah, there isn't
anything there.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, all right, but moving on.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yes, like this is just cringe. That's the best way
to describe it. And at the end of the day,
it hurts Brett's legacy. I don't think these old time
wrestlers understand that when you say these ridiculous things in
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shoot interviews or Q and a's or the other things
anything like that, you're hurting yourself. You're not hurting the
people you're intending to hurt. And I don't know why
he would want.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
To hurt Sean, but there's there's always been this thing,
even after they reconciled, but he would say he would
still take shots at him.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I don't get it. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I mean nothing to this extent, but he would still
take shots at him, and and over time, it's like
the whole afterglow of of the uh forgive me freezing
that term, but of of their reconciling seems to have
worn off little by little over time from from Brett's
side at least, where you know, he's gradually been taking
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more and more pot shots at Sean when the subject
comes up, and then eventually to the point where well,
now he's saying this it really is.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And it's sad. It is so sad on so many levels.
Like Brett could probably I'm not gonna speak for Brett
because I'm not Brett, but Brett could theoretically do a
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tour just based off stories he has. He doesn't mean
to say these things. No, and I give this little
to no credit at all.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I look at this green, you don't.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
None, Like this is the most ridiculous this thing I
have ever heard in my life. Yeah, for all intents
and purposes, we've never heard of Sean having relations with
the guy. And I'm pretty sure Shawn Michaels, there's enough
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people from the Attitude era that have an extra grind
with Seawn Michaels that something were to have happened like this,
it would have come out.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
However, to be fair, Brett is not the first person
ever say this.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Who was the other one, one.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Of the road Warriors. I don't remember. If it was Hawker,
Animal had said something about this before.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, I mean, if it was Hawk, yeah, that's reliable.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I'm just saying this is not Brett's not the first
ever say it. I again, I don't think it's true,
but I don't. I'm just like.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
If he would have said, if he would have said
like x pac, I'd have been like, I can see it,
no offense to x poc at all. But x Pock's
a crazy guy, you know. He would have been like,
do your own thing. I guess I you know.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
So, I think I'm gonna I'm gonna play pop psychologists here.
I think that Brett. I think where this really comes
from is I think that Brett is on some level
jealous of the because from from by by most accounts,
(11:43):
you know, Vince McMahon took on very much a paternal
role in the lives and careers, but not just the
you know, the careers, but but really in the lives
of both Sean and Brett. And I think if we
think of it, this way. So Vince is the father figure,
(12:04):
Brett and Sean are the brothers, and Brett is jealous
that Dad loved Sean more than him. Dad loved them both,
but Dad loved Sean a little bit more because Dad
was willing to put up with more with a lot
of Sean's shit, and granted, Seawan behaved in ways that
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Brett Hart never would anyway, because Brett was always very professional,
but whereas Sewn went through a period where he, by
all accounts, was not. I think that some of this.
I think I think Brett carries resentment towards Sean because
Sean he feels that Seawan was Dad's favorite. With in this,
(12:49):
in this metaphor, you know, with with Vince being dad,
Sean was Daddy's favorite, Why wasn't I Daddy's favorite? I
think where this, that's where the comes from.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I can see that in Yeah, in some sick twisted
world way that makes some sorry I'm adjusting my camera,
my apologies.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Oh that's okay. I don't even think in a sick
twisted way. I think it's I think I think it's
actually normal to have those kinds of feelings. I mean,
that's this, you know, being human.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
You know, I I get it.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I don't justify the way he's expressing it at all.
I agree with what you said. It is pathetic, it's
and it reflects poorly on him. But I really think
that's where this is coming from.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I you know, I'll go with that because it makes
a hell of a lot of sense. But just it
needs to stop. Oh yeah, like the bashing Triple H,
the bashing Sean like Goldberg, I even get. I even
get Goldberg like, fine, yeah, dude, ended your career and
(13:59):
cost you millions. Fine, but the other guys. Look, I mean,
did Triple H know about the screw job? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
He did, Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Should he have told you? I'm torn on that. Keep
in mind, Triple H was still eating shit for for
the curtain Call, and Triple H had no loyalty to
Brett Hart. Let's yeah, let's let's put all the cards
(14:39):
on the table here. There was no loyalty to Brett.
Triple H's loyalty was to the company and to Sean. Yeah, like,
if if the roles were reversed, let me put it
this way, if the roles were reversed, and Jim the anvil,
my heart knew that Brett was going to screw Sean.
(15:06):
Would jimy invil my heart, would you be like, oh, Jim,
you should go to Sean and tell Sean.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
No, No, there's no loyalty.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
There right there. There isn't this a reason to do it,
So I don't. I've never understood the beef with Triple H.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
You know what, I think, same thing, same thing, Triple A.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I'm gonna I'm gonna disagree with you on that. Okay,
because Vince didn't like Triple H, then.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Well yeah, but but no, but I'm saying, though I'm
saying take the screw job out of it, I'm saying,
in a broader sense, Triple H marries into the family.
He's the son in law, and and and again, with
Vince as dad and Brett as the son. Brett feeling like,
on a subconscious level, Brett's probably never even thought about this.
(16:05):
This is all subconscious, but this, and it's a theory.
I'm probably completely wrong, but Brett feels like Brett Brett
has resentment toward Triple H. Because how come the son
in law who married into the family, you know, now
he has all this power. I'm on the outside looking
in Meanwhile, the guy who married into the family is
(16:26):
is you know, Daddy just basically gave him this huge empire. Again,
that's an oversimplification, obviously by very romanus magnitude, But I'm
just saying the psychology of it. Maybe that's where Brett's
resentment comes toward Triple H. Yeah, the screw job might
be the foundation of it. But then if Triple H
(16:47):
were not in the power position that he's in, would
Brett be that bitter and angry toward him? I kind
of doubt it, But who knows.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I don't I don't know. I wish I could say that.
I wish I could sit here and say, Matt, no, no,
you know Brett would be a staunch supporter a Triple H.
But I can't, nor would I, because I don't know.
(17:20):
If I don't know, I think Brett, as great as
he is in the ring, he is that much better
at holding a grudge. And you know, I'll take the
(17:41):
same approach with Brett that we take with someone else,
that you can live in a world of misery and
anger and regret and blame others for everything you've done
(18:01):
and everything wrong that's happened to you, but at some
point in your life, it's gonna happen where you have
to look in the mirror and say it's on me
that I need to have some culpability here.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yes, and.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I firmly I have no issue with his bitterness with Goldberg.
No issue with his bitterness towards Vince.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I think you mean Bill Goldberg.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yes, yes, Bill Goldberg. But to have it towards Sean,
Sean did his job, Brett. I'll ask this, if on
the snowballs chance in hell, Brett the hit me and
heart listens to this, Brett, if Sean didn't do the
(19:00):
do what he did? Were you gonna pay his bills?
Were you gonna get him a job in WCW. Were
you gonna vouch for him like you vouched for davy
An Anvil? No to all of the above. R Sean
had a job to do. Yeah, and you know, Brett,
(19:27):
a few months down the road, the shoe was on
the other foot. Sean had to give up the title.
He was a pain in the ass and doing it,
but he did it. I'm just saying, you know, I
(19:51):
really hope that history looks back at Brett more for
his ring accomplishments than his out of ring allegations, but
with comical things like this, it's gonna be really hard.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah yeah, all right, Well, do any anything to add
on that? Or should we move on to the aut uh?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I don't have anything to add I just think it's
sad and pathetic.
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