Vince's Birthday Party

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kind of a double barrel of Vince.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Maybe we shouldn't use the terminology double barrel on this one.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Uh yeah, triple really because there's also news about his
car accident. Apparently he's trying to have the whole thing
thrown out.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
But of course he is. Why wouldn't he.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
An eighty year old man probably shouldn't be driving. But
there's a new story, and we'll get uh, we'll get
her up here, Ashley Mazarro. She had made some allegations
apparently privately to some people. I forget exactly Ashley Mazarro.
Of course, why did she pass away?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Let me take I can get that about ten.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Year I feel like it was about ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
No, I feel it was a lot sooner. Oh yeah,
May of twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Oh, twenty nineteen, Okay, it seemed like it seemed like
it was longer ago. The pandemic really screwed up time
perception for a lot of people. I think you so
right before the pandemic doing pandemic? Actually, if I was
twenty nineteen, so after she had was it after she
had passed away that we found out that she had
all the terrible things that happened to her she had

(01:15):
been a victim of sexual assault and was it Saudi
Rabia allegedly during during during allegedly yeah, during the uh
one of those tribute to the troops shows that they
used to do. Ww we used to do and uh,
now there's a story that she actually on a on
a plane on a plane trip. I assume it was

(01:37):
that same trip, do we know?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
No, it was different. It was a different trip. It
was an international tour. Okay, they don't They didn't do
international tours for tribute to the troops. It was go there,
do the show, come.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Back, gotcha. So she was So they were on a
plane for this international tour and uh, Vince McMahon and said,
you know, everybody can go ahead, head on off the plane,
but I'm going to stay back here with Ashley Well.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
But no, the allegation is a former writer made the allegation,
and I actually have the article pulled up. Basically the
former writer is Dan Saint Germain. He appeared as a
guest on the Being Ian with Jordan podcast. Whatever the

(02:29):
hell that is Basically Jermaine spoke of the incident and
I'll apologize in advance. There is going to be some
sexually graphic not statements here, just quoting verbatim. Jermaine said

(02:51):
that narrating the incident, how he started fingering Ashley Mazarro
on the flight and upon reaching their destiny, they were
all ordered to get on the runway and watch them
do it. He said. They were on a European trip
and Vince started fingering Ashley Massaro on the flight, and

(03:11):
then Vince goes, when they get on the tarmac, all right,
everyone get on the tarmac. They all went on the
tarmac and watched as the as the fucked plane bounced
back and forth. He is an absolute maniac.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
I was curious if you would if you had ever
seen that segment that that they did. I don't remember
what show was on that WWE did, where Vince was
very mean, very very mean on camera and humiliated Ashley Massarrow.
Do you know the segment I'm talking about vaguely?

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I think if we talk about Vince humiliating a female,
the more infamous one is the Trish.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Oh tris stratus. Of course. Yeah, there's another very humiliating
incident with Ashley Massarrow that allegedly, according to the timeline,
that people of a pieced together came after she said, no,
I'm not going to uh be your uh side chick
anymore or whatever or or ever. But I think now
we know that apparently something did allegedly happened between them.

(04:16):
I'm not sure why this writer would make that up.
So it sounds credible, and everything about the story sounds
consistent with what we know about Vince McMahon. So but
it is uh but he is the only person who's
No one's corroborated this specific story yet, correct, No, no.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
One uh, no one has uh you know, I mean one.
It's unfortunate because Ashley Masarrow die due to suicide, and

(05:00):
I mean you know, and there are others other women
that have Hannah Kimura and Daphne as well that you know,
you you hear these stories and you're like, man, why

(05:24):
didn't anyone say anything? Why didn't anyone do anything? Why
didn't you know? Because even then, when it happened, you
have to you should have a sense of moral obligation.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
It's amazing what what people can can look the other
way on though, you know what, you know what this
reminds me of because when this story broke, when when
this story broke originally and this isn't doesn't have to
do with wrestling but college football. Because I had just
started Matt connorton Unleashed as a podcast. It was a
summer of twenty eleven, and it was shortly after that
I remember yelling about this on the podcast. Uh Sandusky

(06:11):
and that guy Mike McWethy who walked in on San.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Dusky mcquery, mcquery, mcqueriery.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
I thought it was mcwethe.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
It's McQuary, mcquery.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Okay, So Mike McQuary walks in on Sandusky, you know,
raping a child and goes to talk and goes to
tell Joe Paterno. And I just remember screaming into the
microphone over this, like how do you not go to
the police when you see something like that? Like what
like what is the malfunction? And there's no excuse in
my mind for you know, you walk walking on somebody

(06:44):
raping a child, you go to the police. I don't
care who it is, no one.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, And I.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Don't mean, I don't mean a sidetrack us, but I'm
just but these are the thoughts I have when I
hear about, you know, these terrible things that happened to people,
and people will see this. Can I just fucking look
the other way. It's like, why.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
One, I'm the token sports guy on this show. Yes,
so I you gotta understand Penn State at that point
in time. Yeah, there's and this isn't. What happened at
Penn State was deplorable. It's just awful. I don't want

(07:30):
anyone to construde that I'm defending Graham Spaniard or anyone
involved in this. Yeah, there was a pecking order at
Penn State, especially within Penn State football. Joe Peturno was judge,

(07:51):
jury executioner. You did not DEVI eight from that. Matt
mc query was a former player, a graduate assistant. You.
I'm going to guess that he and he stated this

(08:17):
that he felt he did his responsibility, Yeah, I know,
by reporting it to pa Turno.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
And then people were like, well, did Turno fulfill his
moral obligation? Yeah? I think Paterno, with his advanced stage,
did what he felt was appropriate because in his in
his time, people didn't talk about this, and if you

(08:48):
read articles about Turno at that point in time, there
you could argue very diminished mental faculties about it. There
are articles that during this he didn't have an idea
what was going on. The movie Paterno HBO made where

(09:10):
Alpatino plays Joe Paterno. Brilliant film. Everyone should if you
want a greater understanding. His family's trying to talk to
him about this, and he says, I'm preparing for Northwestern.
I don't know what you guys are talking about. So

(09:31):
look the fact that Joe should Joe of report. Joe
should have reported it to police and done more. I
think mcquery did what he thought was best, and unfortunately
there was probably a lot of fear that he had

(09:51):
about man. If I go above Joe, what's this due
to my coaching career? What's this due to my Oh?

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Sure he was worried about himself. Yeah, I know, I
get it. And you walk into a shower and somebody's
raping a child, you don't worry about yourself. That's a
scumbag move on his part. You go to the fucking police.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I get that. This is more devil's advocate. Okay, Okay,
why he didn't I'm not defending him not going to police?

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Okay, good.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
The devil's advocate is no that.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
I've heard his excuses.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, and he in sworn port documents. This is the
part I don't like he said I didn't really know
what I saw. There's no ambiguity between what you saw.
And I do believe the moment he realized that nothing

(10:56):
was being done, he should have done so something more. Yeah,
but that whole situation is a mess. It was mishandled
by everyone, including the NCAA when they handed down the punishment. Sure,
because you punished individuals that had nothing to do with it.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Oh, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Well, they took away bull games from the kids, and
it's like those kids didn't go to school then, And
I get a punishment had to be levied, but the
punishment was you're punishing kids that were still either in
middle school or high school when this happened. Yeah, it

(11:44):
just none of it felt right.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
To me, Right, Yeah, I get that.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
But yeah, the situations are glaringly similar. The only difference
is we don't vilify Vince McMahon like we do Joe Paterno.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Well we do. I mean you and I you and
I I'm.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Saying the common the common pro wrestling fan doesn't vilify
Vince like they should, right right. They vilify Stephanie, they
vilify Paul Leavec, they vilified Nick Kahn, they vilify endeavor.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, well, we don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
What happened the man ship on a woman like what?

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
And the world are we living in?

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Just to clarify for people listening that that's referring to
Janelle Grant, not not Ashley Massaro. Although God only knows
what he did with Ashley Massarro. Whatever it was, it
caused her massive PTSD. I have no doubt about that.
I don't know. We'll never know if that contributed to
our suicide directly, but I very well might have. And
that's just I.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Even guess that it didn't help. I mean not to
sound cold and callous on that. It certainly didn't make
things better.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
No, we'll never know. We'll never know.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
But I think the rape, I mean, it's alleged, but
how would you feel going to your boss? Allegedly she
went to Vince and told Vince about it, and Vince
is like, well, we have a good relationship over there.
We don't want to rock the boat on this.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Oh you're talking about when, oh right, when Ashley Massaro
about the sexual assault in Saudi Arabia? Was a Saudi
or was it Kuwait? Or where where was it again?
I don't I don't even remember now.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
But it was on one of those if you want to.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Tribute to the troops shows. But yeah, I mean, I mean,
I guess it doesn't that detail doesn't necessarily matter, but.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
The point tour of Kuwait Kuwait okay man posing as
a doctor in that WWE apologized but persuaded her not
to report it to the appropriate authorities as they didn't
want it to affect the company's relationship with the military.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Right right, Yeah, which is disgusting, so disgusting. Yeah, I
mean whenever, and and by the way, I mean, you know,
just I think probably good advice for anyone in any
kind of employment situation when you have someone in authority
telling you, hey, please don't go to the police about this.

(14:15):
It's gonna mess things up for.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
It to the police. Yeah, I mean, even in a
Penn State situation. No, that that's inexcusable because you're not.
You're not. The situation isn't going to be made better.
Predators don't just stop, right, right, They don't just sit

(14:40):
there and say, oh, hey, guess what, I've got my
fil right.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
No, as long as there's no consequences, I'll continue. And
even if there are consequences, they might continue.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
But well, there were consequences for Sandusky, and he kept going.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
I mean he lost his locker room privileges. So he
just took him on vacations and did it elsewhere, didn't
swimming pools in hotels, wrote a book called Touched.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, yes he did.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, So if you it, Look, if anyone out there
sees anything or knows anything regarding sexual assault or anything,
report it to the authorities, because then you then you
can say, if anything, the smallest I did.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
My part, Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, if you're not, you know,
if for no other reason, you know, even even selfishly,
so you can have a clear conscience. How anyone can
know about this stuff and not say anything. I don't
know how this was to night.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
You know. And again we reference the Penn State fallout,
because there hasn't been a fallout in regards to then
in his proclivities. He made billions when he sold WWE
and left. He still has stock in TKO.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Well there, I mean, well, I mean there has been
some fallout. I mean, they don't they don't have anything
to do with him, They don't acknowledge him, they don't,
you know. But a guy like Vince to keep him
at arm's length, a guy like Vince.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Do you think he really cares? I mean, I'm sure
the ego part of him is upset.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Oh I'm sure, yeah, I would think so.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
But he still has his manchin.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh yeah, at the end of the day, he's fine.
Mm hmm, yeah, trueb.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Doesn't have to deal with the stress of the He
doesn't have to deal with the stress anymore.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, well should we? Uh? Would that be? That might
be a good segue into the birthday parties since we're
talking about Vince.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Right, Oh boy, yeah, let's go. So.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Apparently so this picture was taken by well, not taken
by Jerry the King Lawler, but this was something that
he had posted correct on his Instagram, yes, and was
asked to remove it by someone I don't know if
we know who said hey, can you take that down?
But this is from Vince McMahon's eightieth birthday party. I

(17:22):
guess Vince didn't want to be photographed himself, probably because
if you saw Vince in the Hull Cogan documentary on TMZ,
he looked like a bloated corpse. But Vince's a very
strange look in these days. But so here's this picture.
Let's see. So we have the mis and Maurice, from
left to right, Titus O'Neill, Jerry, the King, Lawler, Seamus

(17:44):
and Drew McIntyre, all attending Vince's eightieth birthday party. By
the way, reports from the party were that Vince is
looking very old and kind of rough.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
And Teddy Long has pushed back against that, saying he
looked fine. Really, his face might have been a little
swollen or something like that, but he looked nice to me.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Okay, So now do we know the Oh John Cena
was there too, right.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Triple H was present. Stephanie McMahon did not attend.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Triple H. I didn't think Triple H was there. Triple
H was there.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yes. According to Teddy Long, real entertainment for the weekend
included Jelly roll in an all black choir. Well, brother,
good thing the Hulkster's dead, because he wouldn't have supported that, No.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
He would not have. No, I don't know. He would
have been fine with it as long as none of
them were brought a white woman with them to the event.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
That was his that a maybe they were million dollar
basketball players. Matt He seemed to like that.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yes, that's that's true. That's true. You ever watch I'm
gonna asked you this once before a JD from N
why his YouTube channel. I do not you don't like
people with New York accents? Correct? I hate New York
in general, That's what I thought, so JD for men,
why has a pretty thick New York accent?

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Stick in enema into the United States of America? It
would go into New York City.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Okay, not Pittsburgh, that's my not.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
No, not Pittsburgh. I'm paraphrasing the Great Brad Heart there.
I hate I hate New York.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
So so JD form N why he's He's got some
really good takes, so I enjoy his content and I
tend to agree with him on things. And uh he
he really went off about this party. He basically went
off on everyone who went and said, why do these
guys want to be associated with a scumbag like Vince McMahon.

(19:54):
He's been very tough on Vince, and he says they
don't owe him anything. Do they feel like like they
owe him something for their careers because they don't. You know,
Vince made millions of dollars off of these people, So
Vince benefited from them just as much as they benefited
from him, So why do they feel like they have
to like they're somehow obligated to go to his party?

(20:16):
And when JD says it though, it's very entertaining. I
know you don't like New York accents, but you might
want to check out JD from NY. You might, you
might enjoy him, but well, I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Look, my hatred for New York none with standing. Yes,
here are some of the names and attendance. Okay, Undertaker
John Cena, JBL, Seamus, Drew McIntyre, Maurice Titus O'Neil, and
Bruce Pritchard. More current WWE talent were also present, though
not named directly. Those who showed up weren't met with

(20:53):
universal approval. Fightful spoke to several wrestlers and insiders who
expressed mixed feelings about attending a party for me and
currently embroiled in serious legal trouble.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah. Um.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Some of the attendees admitted there was a moral conflict
and even showing up once. Sour said, a lot of
people here feel like they opened something, even though he
made his money back on them tenfold.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Another WWE talent who chose not to attend, told Frightful
that some wrestlers are waiting to see how the court
case plays out before making decisions about their relationship with McMahon.
They explained, that's what they'd want if the shoe was
on the other foot. There was no official WWE involvement
in this article. Reports top company exects like Priple H,

(21:45):
Stephanie McMahon, and Nick con were not in attendance. A
higher up told some talent it was their personal choice
whether to attend or not.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, tk odn't. They didn't tell anybody not to go.
In other words, right, they didn't forbid anybody from going.
But but see, that's where the conflict is over Triple H.
Because according to that report, Triple H was not there,
but Teddy Longside Triple H was there. Yes, okay, interesting
me personally.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I I want to tread cautiously here. M hm oh,
this is hard to say. I think Teddy might have
been mistaken. I don't think Triple H would go.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, I don't either, And I don't think he'd even
be able to uh just with with uh. He's a
busy guy.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Well, I don't know. I think it's I think it's
one of those things that how do I say this delicately? Uh?

Speaker 1 (22:53):
I think it's one of those.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
I think it's one of those things that Triple H
probably has in his head fucked Vince.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, I'm sure he does.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
I you know, Triple H I think is done with Vince.
I think he's in the same boat as Staph on this.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah. Yeah, estrangement there and how could there not be
with what Vince is accused of. You want that guy
around his great while you.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Were married and while you were married to their their mother.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Like and I think this and I can't speak for
Stephanie or Shane, but I think this is kind of
a straw that broke the camel's back type deal. Like
you did the Playboy interview where you admitted you were
unfaithful and bragged about it essentially, and now this, like

(24:00):
the Playboy interview was bad enough, but now your depravity
is coming out. And then when I'm when someone's current
sins come out, past sins get brought back up. Rita
Chatterkin the Ring Boys. You know, Linda is tried so

(24:25):
very hard to distance herself, not just from Vince but
from WWE with their political.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Endeavors, right and good pun endeavors.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Oh ah, yeah, multiple that. Good luck on your future
endeavors endeavor Tkoh yeah, that was totally unintentional, but I'm
the man.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yes, an unintended pun. By the way, I do want
to say this, I don't just kind of for the
record though, just understanding the understanding the complex of human relationships.
I don't actually jd for men Y went really hard.
I don't quite like, I don't fault any of these

(25:08):
people who did go. I under don't because you know,
they they always talk about how they had kind of
a father son. A lot of these guys or women
had a mother son of your mother son. I'm sorry,
daughter father, Hell am I saying relationship like Vince was
kind of a father figure. I understand feelings get complicated

(25:31):
and and all of that, So I don't. I'm not
mad at anybody for going.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
I think though, that the only major woman women's talent
that went is Maurice.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah she's not even there, Like, when was the last
time we even saw her on television?

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well, but what's that missus? And you didn't watch that show?

Speaker 1 (25:54):
I never watched it. I was aware of it.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I didn't either.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don't. So I don't
hold anything against anybody who wants to go. I just
to be around a guy like that.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Look some of these guys, Vince you know, saved them
in a way.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Oh yeah. And Bruce Pritchard, Dude, I don't blame Bruce
for going, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Do.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Oh you do.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
I blame Bruce because Bruce, I guarantee you, and I
love Bruce Pritchard. I would love to meet Bruce Pritchard.
I think Bruce, all intensive intensive purposes, is a great guy.
I think Bruce is a guy that is unabashedly and

(26:53):
inexcusably loyal the events. And I have a problem with that.
And my problem with it is, you know, one by one,
everyone in Vinces his inner circle is kind of dying
or turning their back on him.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
I The last one that's left that was very close
to Vince is Bruce. And let's circle back to our statements.
Your statements on Penn State. You don't think Bruce knows
something very much. I don't think Bruce Prichard knows And

(27:41):
you know, I get it. I understand it, just like
I understand stood Matt mcquery, just like I understand the
fear of coming forward because you don't know. And I'm
sure Bruce, who has children and a wife, he's worried
about the family fallout if he comes forward. He has

(28:02):
a successful podcast which he's on leave from right now
due to a health issue. There's a lot of fallout
and a lot of rhalmifications Bruce could face. Yeah, but
like it just it's like Bruce, if you know, say something.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah. But in Bruce's case, though, it appears that like
the way the accusations and while speaking specifically in terms
of Janelle Grant, the way the accusations have proceeded against Vince,
it doesn't seem like Bruce's. Even if Bruce does know something,

(28:47):
if I agree with you, if he knows something, he
should say something. But it doesn't seem like it's like Bruce's.
Never has anyone ever subpoenaed Bruce for a to sit
down and talk to a lawyer?

Speaker 2 (28:59):
I mean no, So he wasn't subpoena for the steroid trials,
Rita Chatterton, the Ring Boys. He hasn't been subpoena for
any of it. I don't believe.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Maybe he's been able to successfully avoid all that. So
maybe he doesn't know. Maybe he hasn't been exposed to anything.
I don't know, but I but you're right to be suspicious.
I agree with you there.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
He is close as Bruce was to the man.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
That's true. Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
And you know what, I've said this before, I'll say
it again. Fuck Vince Russo. Vince Russo can say all
he wants that Bruce Pritchard wasn't close to Vince. I'm
gonna take the word of Jim Cornett, who has said
Bruce was there improved that. I'm not just a Bruce

(29:50):
Prichard nuthugger. I don't believe that Bruce didn't know about
the Montreal screwjob.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Oh you don't believe him on that.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
I do not. I think Bruce knew. I don't think
Bruce knew everything. I think Bruce knew something was going
to happen.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Oh well, but that's not the same of knowing exactly
what was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I think he knew that. I think Vince hey pal
no way does Brett leave with the title, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
But that's not the same as But that's.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Not the same as saying I didn't know, playing dumb
on it either.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Well, yeah, but he could have. He could have known,
like Vince could have said that to him. And then
Bruce said, okay, but but still being shocked at what
actually transpired. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I just I don't know. I find it hard that
Bruce didn't know, that Pat Patterson didn't know. I find
it hard that all these inner circle guys in that
had no idea.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, like if Jim Cornett knew, and Cornett has head,
he knew, right, yeah, if Jim Cornett knew. Yeah, in
Briscoe is teaching Sean how to get out of lockholds.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, yeah, Briscoe knew. Briscoe new, Yeah, we know.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Why why wouldn't Bruce and Pat Patterson? Now that's never
felt right to me.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Well, Bruce said on his podcast, because I remember listening
to that episode of Something to Wressell. Bruce said that
it was that Vince told him. Because Bruce was Bruce
claimed that he was mad at Vince. I don't know
if you ever listened to that episode.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
I did, Okay, I've listened to almost every episode of
Something to Wrestle with Bruce Richard.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, so Bruce Bruce claimed that that he was actually
mad at Vince for not cluing him, and Vince said, well,
I did it to protect you because if you knew,
then the boys would be mad at you. Everyone would
be mad at you every because you know, you know,
I didn't want any of the heat to get on you,
which to me sounded incredible. I mean that could be.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, it does sound credible. I just I have a
hard time believing with how close that inner circle was. Yeah,
that something was that he just didn't have a single
solitary clue some shit was about to go down. Same
with Jim Ross. I've never believed that the VP of

(32:24):
Talent Relations had no idea.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Really.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, No, I have less belief in Jim Ross than
I do in Bruce Pritchard.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Oh wow, Okay, I can almost.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Buy what Bruce is selling. I can't buy what JR.
Is selling. Yeah, And I love Jim Ross and I
will always love Jim Ross. It doesn't shake anything about
Jim Ross. I just wish he'd come clean on it
because there there's no way, there's no way you're not

(32:59):
going to let Jim Ross know, because Jim Ross is
gonna have to deal with all the boys who want
to leave.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Mean what Jim Ross is gonna have to sit there
and deal with all this and be like, well, listen,
Bud got a contract. I'll tie this up in court.
Better come back. We'll give you the night off. But
you know that type of deal. So I don't know

(33:34):
that's yeah, But back to the original point, I think
these guys know something, even if it's a little thing
like yeah, I saw I looked over Vinc's shoulder. Well,
I looked over his shoulder and saw nudes of Janelle
Grahan on his phone. Even something like that, that could help.

(33:59):
Just say it, just let it out.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree anything else on Vince's
birthday party.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I think to villainize the people that win is wrong
and what now if they came out after it and
said Janelle Green is a lying skank, that's a problem, right,
But they didn't.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
No, not all right, Well we can and by the way,
so we know who is definitely not there was Stephanie McMahon. Look,
she's back. She was not there. Let's see so our
next in the undercard. Let's see here. Let me get
a picture here, I have a picture of these guys. Oh,

(34:48):
what the heck is going on here? Sorry, I'm having
a little bit of a problem here. I wanted to
get a picture of Oh maybe I won't be able
to that's weird. Oh I know why. So a couple
of injuries. Here we go. I figured it out. A
couple of injuries. Uh in ae W.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Sure about that? Got it figured out?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I think so, I hope. So there we go. A
couple of injuries in a W there Sworths, Strickland, and
Tony almost said Tony kah well Ospray, two of their
most valuable players.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
In my opinion, I would say, if you're gonna do
Mount rushmore of current ae W stars, there are two
of them.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah yeah, I mean for me, it.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Would be them two, m j F and h Man.
It's tough to go with the fourth one. I would
have to probably say, just because you have to have
a fourth Moxley.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah. And uh, these guys are going to be out
for a while. It sounds like.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
It's probably gonna be six eight months for Swerve and
indeterminate for Osprey. Yeah wow, because Osprey has a neck
injury and next are tricky. They didn't even really want
him to work the show. Uh, forbidden door and he said, no,

(36:20):
I'm going to it's in London. Yeah he did. Yeah,
I don't know. I just think with ae W, it's
you have your highest you have one of your highest
pay per view gates of all time, probably their most

(36:45):
overall overall successful pay per views. If we're being brutally honest,
and now two of the major players are out, man,
it's tough off.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah. Oh that reminds me too. Just I mean, obviously
there isn't There isn't really a lot to say about
it other than it sucks for these guys, two of
the best in a W. Did you happen to see
Jake Hager's interview on Ariel Jlljuane about his time in
A W or not not? I'm sorry the other guy,

(37:24):
Chris van v Chris van Vliet, thank you? Yeah, did
you see that?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
I did.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but he
had a lot of unflattering things to say about Tony Kahn.
I was kind of surprised, but.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's Jay. It's easy to say the ship
when you're no longer there. Of course, you know, everyone
everyone says their former job is the worst job they
ever had. I mean, look, but you took the paychecks
when you were there.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, he seems like he's done anyway though, right, because
my thought was, wow, he's really burning some bridges here
when I'm watching this, but also also very strongly got
the impression he's done with wrestling. He's not. He's he's
not gonna be looking to go back to either major promotion.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
He should he should be done because you know he's
not good like you know, uh yeah, I heard. I
read his comments, and to me, it's like, well, way
to jump on that bandwagon, yeah, and then way to

(38:36):
backtrack when you're confronted by two guys that could probably
legitimately book your ass, right, Like, yeah, I like when
I saw that he immediately put his foot in his
mouth when FTR posted screenshots of the text they had, Like,
to me, he lost credibility if you you like, if

(39:00):
he would have just been a dick about it, that's like, yeah,
all right, I misspoke, do something about it, right, But
oh I'm so sorry man. Yeah, I said I think
and blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah, okay, yeah, how
am I gonna believe anything else he said? Because you
said I think quite a bit in that whole interview.

(39:24):
Like I can sit here and say I think this
guy is blue, and then if someone says, well, Eric,
by god, it's green today, I can be I said, I.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Think right, Yeah, I didn't think it was I didn't
think it was interesting. You know, he started a trucking
company and it's called Holland Oates halland Holland Oates. And
I have a couple of thoughts about that. One is,
it's cool if he's a Hollow Oats fan. I appreciate that.
I love Hall and Oates, who recently settled there to
spute by the way through arbitration. Uh. But the other

(39:54):
thing is, though that might be I don't know. You
can only push the when it comes to intellectual property,
in trademarking and so forth. You can only push that
so far. And I guarantee you there's probably already other
businesses that have used that name Hall and Oates. So
I don't know, but I thought that was interesting.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
I mean, hey, do you I can't. I can't find
enough of a give a damn about Jack Hager.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Well, for a second, I thought you were gonna say
I can't go for that, and I was going to
commend you for that too, as well as your earlier pun.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
No, no, I can't say it isn't so Eric, Uh yeah, yeah,
do you here we go the puns are rolling.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Well those are song title references.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Actually, oh well, whatever I mean if we're going to
reference musicians. Ac DC performed at Vince McMahon's eightieth birthday
party as well. What, yeah, they were there?

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Are you are you serious? Are you kidding? What?

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I am dead serious?

Speaker 1 (40:59):
They did? Ac DC was they performed Vince McMahon's.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Well, they were at the party.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Oh, I didn't know. Really, I didn't know about this.
I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, featured Kid Rock ac DC.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
I'm not surprised Kid Rock was there, I guess.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I mean, look, if you're going to celebrate a guy
who poo poo's on a check, I would think Kid
Rock would be at the top of the list.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
He's a guy. Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Live performances from Kid Rock and ac DC weird.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I had no idea. I had no idea. Okay, well, well.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Maybe it's a warning to all the future female employees
of his new company. It's a long way to the
top if you want to rock and roll.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
I can't go for that, all right? Should we move
on to the main event?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Oh God, then Dish just feels like it's been a
negative show.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
I was, Oh, no, we could do some thing positive
for a moment. I mean, there's Stephanie McMahon, our our goddess,
our VPN goddess, Stephanie McMahon. There she is. Look at her.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
This is what we're relegated to. A woman that advocates
for gray area piracy.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
That's my kind of woman right there.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I I think I'm going to trademark that well piracy