Livestream from RAADfest 2025 Immortalis Presentation and Interview

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Greetings and welcome to the United States Transhumanist Party Virtual
Enlightenment Salon. My name is Jannati Stolier of the second
and I am the Chairman of the US Transhumanist Party.
Here we hold conversations with some of the world's leading
thinkers in longevity, science, technology, philosophy, and politics. Like the

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philosophers of the Age of Enlightenment, we aim to connect
every field of human endeavor and arrive at new insights
to achieve longer lives, greater rationality and the progress of
our civilization was.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Okay, thank you, I'm just hold them actually down, how
already Sunday and you guys said the fires and nish
what we got. So we've been talking a lot of

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the movies, seeing a lot of people are interviews, but
I wanted to talk about here. There is what is
mediation question? Everybody everyone here and it would which later on,
so le tellis is a bi tech freedom. So we
can think about Stanapore, worked by shen zend and what

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they are aby to do, which is a little bit
of a curious. Before they Stanapore, they were going to
say financial reform in that area. Because of that the
financially and never those.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Back some that and are well ways to do it.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
And it's the environ the sandbox are the people that
we see on the stage here as a prison they
go fair faith and the lizard off I can still.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
And the way is you we're gonna work with whatever
regulators depending on the country in the US and that
game to the streamline regulations.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Fast at and the billion dollars anymore, you call the
wind the back of rules and a pole n the

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child basically the base pretty lot and for the severer
right hand and.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
The shorter time show.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Potentially as the highest made anymore.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
So that's w.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Into these people who have been seen the mind especially
he's great the other pass.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Anybody is that important because it's our life, our lives
almost like there's night sent the entire.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Population knows somebody in their.

Speaker 6 (04:03):
Family or.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
So that with nat it is because ferm Oil is
so many.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
And they've been the US and Eula started about your
being a being that just started and the third year
at a ten years time. But in the last uh
ten months since then.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Person, we're very old that we've been months or.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
So we're gonna have actually within the continent and that
it was very and also possibly apparently.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Well talks with three mores around both well and we'll
come more like that cans.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
That becomes more with serversation that tells talking about later
and but there's more go over. There are special amounts
all cities that are within that that have creating. It's
like a lot of things and probays go home for

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many of the.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Pressure hunger to have such a three months there there's
must regulation a lot went three to have the work,
not montarity, a lot of different fields. So they're kind
of a bigger environment where anyone sure that she could
come in and the chants come around and there's massive

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administration your government and decided any more, and so there's
a huge saying I'm not the stuff is a details meeting.
Here's people rounding talking about figure out. So what's different
help you're doing is going all the songs were looking

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on one with the United States is around the world
and the concepts as in we want to improve that
what we're doing and worked on small feet which would be.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
In the United States.

Speaker 7 (06:46):
Stories there.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Where you see that people a little bit of production.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
We all have this.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
And within you don't get it, you know that makes sage.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, piece of land and what.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Do your thing.

Speaker 6 (07:09):
Actually not, so.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
There's only somewayers and.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Work within what they're okay, so will be able to
streamline regulation, but there will still be things to work with.
So the proof of concept is we're going to be
that whatever percentage you can get, whether it's fifty percent
reduction in regulation, seventy thirty percent, you know, some places

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will work more than others, but.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Even just a little bit of reduction regulation is going
to show.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
That it's going to speed up the timeline that coming
up with life saving therapies.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
The team there, the stems out there.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
The core was talking to a guy who wants to
do full body or full organ replacement days.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
All of these things could be possible much faster, even
with the slight reduction and regulation.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
But when people see that and see how much cheaper
it is to do, they're going to realize that the
more regulation is produced.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
The faster and the cheaper is going to be to
do this.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
And who know, people who don't have five or ten
years maybe to stay alive and waiting, sure many people
you know, okay, or maybe fifteen to twenty years, This timeline.

Speaker 7 (08:26):
Is going to puch over over and over again.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
But with that proof of concept, people are going to
see reductric regulation, make it cheaper speed vide. So then
what happens if there is a softwign nation that is
based on this idea of innovation and not an argy
Because we don't want snake oil Salement coming in and

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say take this city and solution and it's going to
make it forever. We can't have that. There's got to
be a level of safety and embed But if there
is a country that.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Is based on this, and there's no hoast country outside
of that to say no, we changed our mind, we're
going back on our deal. There's no host country to say, yeah,
we'll give you a little bit of leewage. That way
you can help in our economy. We've got full rights
to create the government that is truly needed to allow innovation,

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to flourish, safety, to save all the others.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
So what is gonna do.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Actually, just the imagine the terminal.

Speaker 7 (09:36):
This is an amazing concept.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Go back to seventeen seventy sixty two years before that,
there's the United States of America, the founding followers, the
vision they had. We take it all for granted now,
but the vision they had of freedom that they wrote.
The Declaration of Independent Constitution in the United States was
something that had never been seen before, and fairly we

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thought about and was violently opposed, obviously by the British
government that didn't want to allow it. They wanted to
becoming in the past to them, but they knew that
that was the next evolution of human society. We needed
to have more individual freedom. And I'm going to.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Digress a little bit more here, and that was some
of the.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Government structure, because America first hundred and hundred and fifty
years was a beautiful thing in the project care capitalism
and we have so much innovation, and society became so
much better and we don't have to work as hard
anymore to survive. And the deptual revolution happened, and there's
the negative parts of.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
That too, if later the labor might get around.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
But America was founded on making sure some unalienable rights
were ex rest and that actually where the challenge comes
in because once you say you can have.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
This right, then dediting the group will say now you
can't because you've messed up.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
It also leaves room for well, this group has the rights,
but this group doesn't, and so what the founding filler
said that I forget which one it was, but one
of the founding follers actually said that the decoration of
the Constitution is not corfect, but they have to get
something to help them.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
And what we've identified as.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
A founder of Mark Hamilton here has identified it is
you need to eliminate a negative in order to have
a sustainable government that can scale from what we would
call pop up city today where a small nation to
palicizing and why oliminating the negative?

Speaker 3 (11:47):
What that is is of course inte. We can eliminate
that and protect the individual protection basis where.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
We need to do contract or property and protective enforce
broad and coversion and this includes innovative companies and this
works both plays. It gives the innovative companies freedom to
do their research without Also these companies are to remain

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in business, they have to be fully transparent as we
doing these benefits their consumers, otherwise they will be keeping
So this is the underlying structure of what the solemination
would look like, and this is what we're trying to
get as close to is possible in the group. The
concept of zones that we are going so actually I've

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got about quoting and so let me tell anybody have
any questions but they want or to I know you
have people on life there or any questions there.

Speaker 8 (12:57):
Well, there is a comment okay of our friend Zach
Richardson who says it's great to hear that longevity is
so desired that we're working both within the system and
outside the system.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yes, those are good comment.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Thank you for that.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
And and that is a little good one because a lot.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Of people try to change the system from within and
you can't really fix something that day that's broken, and
not very many people, if anyone.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Have tried to actually obtain very little track. So very
good comment, thank you that.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
One regular sure to your point in earlier lot changing
administration is and what for the United States, for example,
Let's say you negotiate with an administration which is very
much in favor of reducing regulations and everything was great,
and four years later, yet new administration and they want
to jump over what time measures can we take based

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on the lessons of prospera to your guard against that
year in the United States.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
It's a very good question. While repeated to the we
are I mentioned afair earlier, which hadn't drive into.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
The condura within there, our administration change and the administration
went back on the whole administration deeple how do we
prevent that and say in the United States when maybe
there's room right now to make that kind of.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Agreement, but in the next four years, if the.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Industry changes and they don't like what kind of shape
guards to be put in place that some.

Speaker 7 (14:27):
Of us are okay.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
So there's no perfect answer that because working within a
host country, at the end of the day, they could
always be taking that.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
But there can be some safeguards to put in place.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
And without saying too much, we are working with people
who are helping us to introduce this into potential conxecutive
order and legislative as you know, also deserve a chance
to make some part of the operation pole. So the Delaware.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Okay or oppose.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
There are possibility may be in some aspects of the
research and the corporation with mobile so that the environment
changes in one place to be out favorable, it can
move to another place.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
In other words, an agreement between different jurisdictions.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
That's another really good question I mentioned earlier that we're
actually in talks and the high levels of government with
three or four countries around the world, and if one
were to say yes, let's go, we're not going to
stop conversations with the other one.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
We're going to continue that.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yes, in fact, there this is a last question, and
I've got it in something else to do with people
that the women we are aware of them. And actually,
Jose it's been very follful about leeber Land. I like
the concept of what they're doing. It's just a very
small area. Not much to work with there, all right.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
So in the last a couple of minutes I have here,
I wanted to give a chance because I've talked yesterday
on stage, I'm talking today on stage, but I wanted
to give a little bit division to the founder and
the co founder of Immortalis. So Mark and Dallas can
come up here, and of course.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
We're superstar Dave Cordero, who has been amazing and helping
to introduce us to people.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
If the three of you could come up here, and.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
So we have the founder of Mark Hamilton, co founder
of Wall Hamilton, of course everybody else.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
And everybody. My name is gold Silton, and.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
I'm the co founder of tuls and on the sending
inside of our ritable here and a man who started
to involved with my father, Mark Country in Morellas, so
were Talis was born from one idea, what if we
stopped waiting for someone else to build the civilization?

Speaker 3 (17:04):
We wanted to just build it ourselves. So for forty
years my father has held millions of people unlawful.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Life is so exhilarating that they developed the desire to
live forever. And now we want to create the new
society engineer to give people.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
That beautiful life work living for.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Ever, and that's whole doing.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
We freeom zones and our first target is biotech. These
zones are designed to unlease, so the biotech revolution we
need to cure aging and death within our lifetimes.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
And thank you rat Bets.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
This community is incredible and we're going to be back
next year. You're bringing a lot of people. Thank you
and all appreciate that. Going on what you.

Speaker 7 (17:55):
Said there, since I've been in the rat thatts is.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
My first I just feel lots of love here.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
You've got to feel that, and I hear it.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yes, I know, I know about this last time.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Why do I feel all this lot?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I mean you look around and have superstars but Jose
here and yeah, superstars.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Like these a Parish Bill.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Anders, Greg Bay the built the Moon. I mean this
has been scientist doctors. Uh, of course, Jamie strolled h
These guys are superstars.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
But I've seen them out there just mixing with all
of them.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
It's just friendly and giving ups and having conversations, giving time.

Speaker 7 (18:37):
In of course, Jose is available in anyone, any time.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
It's just love and.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Here and I thought a lot, just.

Speaker 6 (18:43):
So much love in here, and I realized it's the
love of life.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
We're all here for going in common to time.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
We all realize how valuable lifess can I hear, yes
all together and so just wrap this up as we're
running out of time, and I want to have him
tell you a little bit about what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Then more talents.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
I consider it the missing piece, the missing piece to
a super puzzle. There's a lot of people out there
putting together pieces to the puzzle alongether, but they need
a place to come together and be able.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
To reilly express move forward freely with proper you know,
it's regulations, but not over regulation, in order to extend
our lives and save lives, and to understand that we
are the most precious thing in the years.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
That's been my goal five years. So now we're going
to bring it into the real world.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
We're all here with one common denominator, and we all
are going to some day to live together, create together,
and pure aging and debt together.

Speaker 7 (20:01):
Well, he disapped to be here with Mark, with was
and we cod the four of us will be in
a month in Argentina meeting with the President of Argentina. Actually,
I'm very excited to say I have known the NBA
for a quarter of century from now, you know, for
a long long time when he was a student at

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the university and met and this guy was a genius,
and we became friends in the year two thousand and
so where's the friends. In fact, he invited made his inaguration,
like when we became inside.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
This is the Ova office of the White House.

Speaker 7 (20:39):
If we went outside, the equivalent of the office. And
he has said publicly that he is an importantist and
that he has now planned to die, and that his
favorite book is The Death of the actually says the
most important newspaper of Argentina, which is an Escon. As
you can see, I'm going to that. I want to say,

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buy it because we start rat of fun by my
cop offer who is sitting there. The weet it if
you can pressure your hand so they.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Credible more.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
Also in the United Kingdom.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
I live in Spain.

Speaker 7 (21:15):
I'm trying to do the same in Spain.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
And obviously we are getting the USA.

Speaker 7 (21:20):
I think these had a pretty important countries for immortality,
the US saying, of course the greatest, biggest, freest nation
and that we are very happy.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
In fact, I worked under here, uh Mark Hamiltom.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
He's working with the US administration because President Donald Trump
talked about freedom cities, so he talked about this during
his campaign for the rectal proximity of Haiti is logevity
freedom sifty. But in any event, my goal as well,
because somewhere we connected internationally.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (21:56):
And again we hope to have some news in a
month when we are import of science, that's or of
us in the OVA countries with the president of Argentina
in a month after that, I would live in the
president of El Sadador. Salvador is another country with a
visionary president who actually a doctor being going and governessing
and who create bing coincenting. So we might have a

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immortally sitting next to being called say.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
In Chapa, we don't know that.

Speaker 7 (22:27):
If is like the metropolis of immortality and locate the
metropolis amortality. So also because I live in Spain, there
is a tiny, tiny country between the Spain and France.
That's anyone now knows how to go.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Are is a tiny country, but it's not part of
the European Union, and that means they can create their
own laws.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
So I'm also talking to them.

Speaker 7 (22:55):
I co to me in Andrea in the next few
months to talk to the government because uh, they.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Want to move into the huge ratificature is not chevity, so.

Speaker 7 (23:05):
I think something. And also, as you know, I wasn't
an in Croatian Bosnia three two months ago and we know,
but one of those cultures in the local area socialist
in immortalities. So we are exploring different countries, different government,

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different possibility, and that's probably what's explaining it is okay
if it is here first and.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Then another place, I personally don't care. I just want
to keep that, you know, and I want to give
that before then that. So that is how why go?

Speaker 7 (23:44):
And because now I live in Spain and this is
a Spanish flag, we have the US flood, but gody
forgetting today yesterday today. So anyway, I also organized right
fast equivalent in Spain.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
All of you are welcome to county will be the last.

Speaker 7 (24:05):
Two days of September, first two days of October in
the most beautiful place in Spain, in the College of
Medical Doctors with the Spanish Noble Prize Santiago Ramononica Ha
who discovered the synapsis the connection between the Euros, where
he gets his lecture.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
So all of you are welcome to conclude Madrid. You
are not welcome to come to Argentina with us. For
people with the president is big enough.

Speaker 7 (24:32):
But maybe maybe we come, he say, as we hope so,
and then we will in find him because he has
said he is an immortalist and he grown his dog.
His sub teacher is that he's the only president who
has grown his daughter. He is a transhumanist, a singular
Italian and an immortalist. This is fantastic the president of Argentina.

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So anyway, those are my comments. We are very proud
of the immortalist, this metropolis of immortality.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
So we can make again we used the second Yeah, okay, okay,
there or.

Speaker 7 (25:12):
That letter speaks first take actually have okay, well one
thing that point one who want them.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Okay, one point.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
I recommend liking may also know the ternal your administrations.
But also just to pass I'm sorry you.

Speaker 9 (25:37):
Were to cover this and and I has said that
are you kind of constructing a new city and undeveloped plans.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Before you trying to take the verst structure.

Speaker 9 (25:46):
Because one of the things that I've found that is
the if the locals or whoever supposed to be aren't
opting in, then it eventually.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Be the problem. Have sent yourn is to address that.
We're going to both options there to fall being on
roll in or going to the infrastructure that's already there.

Speaker 7 (26:03):
But to the point of people.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Opting in, it's.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Actually a really important thing for us. We want to
go in and make sure that people know the benefits
they're going to receive for it, and once they see that,
they're going to want us there. They're going to love
that they are there because they're going to have the
cheapest and the best healthcare available in the world on
our course.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Okay, there were.

Speaker 7 (26:33):
One more time.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Try again. We're open to options.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
I've heard mixed reviews about going on the track remination,
so if someone had a different information, would be willing
to look at that we're open.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Up three three reods.

Speaker 10 (26:54):
So I want to have a question looking at the
permissions that go womens want you into the moment, would
you bet detention against them demonstrated some good of the
world they're doing.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Innovation is working well, but there's not leading to.

Speaker 10 (27:06):
An innovation of chaos and the innovation to people being
to see to a mushing of many cues. And once
people see it happening in one place in the world,
everybody else is going to be Washington told us.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
That's exactly right, and that's why the zone we're going
forward in our eyes are proof of concept. People are
going to see that it is affective and they're going
to want to see it be more eventive, and then
we can get parallel to existing their owners.

Speaker 7 (27:33):
So that we're gonna pake more work force.

Speaker 11 (27:36):
So one of our viewers online is asking how there
could be longevity for the common man?

Speaker 6 (27:44):
How can immortalists help with that competition?

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Once once that treatment is created, then other people can
see that you know, the worst engineering or it's open
sources take the original.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Information and they make it better.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
And this has been young grout in the Industrial Revolution,
and the more people are working on something, the better
it is and the cheaper it is.

Speaker 7 (28:13):
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this dream, this is forever, Yes.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
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Speaker 6 (31:58):
H All right, greetings.

Speaker 11 (32:25):
We are at the Immortalist booth setting up for the
interview with me, which will happen soon.

Speaker 6 (32:32):
In the meantime, we will continue to have a brief
usable interlude. What greetings, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 11 (34:16):
We are here at Radfest twenty twenty five in Las Vegas, Nevada,
at the Red Rock Resort, and you've just heard a
presentation from Cody Dean of Immortalists. They are creating new
freedom zones to maximize the rate of progress of our
civilization in order for us to reach longevity escape velocity. So, Cody,

(34:39):
excellent presentation. And I'm here at your booth, the Immortalist Booth,
to speak with you.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
So please ask me anything you want to know about
the transfermis Party, how we can work together. Fantastic.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, I've seen you a commodations rat fast events. I
think ever since my first one, you've been to probably
every single one of.

Speaker 6 (34:57):
Them, every single one since twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Okay, and you've been the chairman of the Transhumanist.

Speaker 11 (35:02):
Party that entire time, right, Yes, So the Transhumanist Party
was actually founded in twenty fourteen, and Zoltanichefond was the founder,
first presidential candidate, and first chairman. But after the conclusion
of the twenty sixteen presidential election, he decided to move
on to other endeavors and he asked me to be
his successor, essentially, And I have run the Transhumanist Party

(35:24):
ever since, for over eight and a half years now, okay, And.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
I think the last candidates that ran was Charlie Cameron
Lynz Parish.

Speaker 11 (35:33):
Right, Charlie Cameron Liz Parish ran in twenty twenty. They
were great candidates. We also in twenty twenty four had
a ticket of Tom Ross and Daniel Tweed.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Okay, and.

Speaker 6 (35:46):
So what do you do as chairman?

Speaker 2 (35:48):
You just coordinate who runs the campaign and then you
are like, how much of a move is it in US?
Is it a global movement?

Speaker 6 (35:55):
Well, it is a global movement.

Speaker 11 (35:57):
Even though we are the US Transhumanist Party, we have
members from all over the world.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
So we have an allied member category and no matter where.

Speaker 11 (36:07):
You reside, you can become one of those, and that
would constitute about thirty percent of our members.

Speaker 6 (36:13):
We have around forty seven hundred members in total.

Speaker 11 (36:17):
And of course allied members can't vote in US elections,
but they can participate in our internal activities. We have
these weekly Virtual Enlightenment salon streams and.

Speaker 6 (36:27):
We've had other campaigns as well.

Speaker 11 (36:29):
So we had a mayoral candidate in Camden, New Jersey
in twenty twenty one, Jennifer Hues, who actually ran on
an explicit pro life extension platform and challenge the Democratic
Party monopoly over.

Speaker 6 (36:44):
Camden, New Jersey, which existed for decades.

Speaker 11 (36:47):
She was the first non Democratic Party candidate in decades
to compete with them. And then we had Daniel Tweed
who was our twenty twenty four vice presidential candidate. He
also ran war times for city council in Thousand Oaks, California,
and even though he didn't win the city council elections,

(37:07):
if you run that often, you get noticed. So he
did get an appointment for a time to the Council
on Aging of Thousand Oaks, California. And what great fortune
it is to have had a transhumanist on the Council
on Aging.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
So based on the top that I.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Just did, that you earth, how do you see the
transhumanist movement working with the Mortalis initi and you see
a collaboration there?

Speaker 3 (37:37):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 6 (37:38):
Yes, I do see the possibilities of collaboration.

Speaker 11 (37:42):
So, first of all, the Transhumanist Party and its platform
explicitly supports jurisdictional experimentation in the form of micronation.

Speaker 6 (37:51):
CEA sets freedom zones.

Speaker 11 (37:53):
However you want to structure it, whether you want to
have your own autonomous territory or collaborate with an existing government,
offer a bit more scope for economic and political freedom.

Speaker 6 (38:04):
We are in favor of all of that, But moreover,
I think there's.

Speaker 11 (38:09):
An important process that can take hold where if you
have a freedom zone and innovation is allowed there that's
not allowed anywhere else, you could learn something from the
results of those undertaking. So if there are therapies administered
there that the USFDA wouldn't approve, and they help people

(38:30):
and mayke cure certain diseases where if you have certain
governance arrangements, for instance, that would be very hard to
implement in a country of three hundred and forty million
people or.

Speaker 6 (38:40):
In a country with an entrenched political system, but.

Speaker 11 (38:43):
You could try them out, and you could provide empirical
data about how they worked, whether they worked, what.

Speaker 6 (38:51):
Tweaks could be done to improve upon them.

Speaker 11 (38:54):
All of those lessons could be applied to existing countries,
even and awesome byte system from like the United States,
where some politicians might be more open to these kinds
of innovations and these kinds of reforms, And if a
therapy works really well in an immortalist freedom zone, we
could lobby the FDA to approve it in the US.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
That's a really good point because that's exactly what we
want to do. We don't want to be an elitist
zone where everyone has to come to the immortality language
to partake in therapies out of it. We want to
give the freedom to the scientists in order to come
up with these therapies so much faster.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
So they can save lives.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
But then we also want to make that available everywhere
across the world, not just within the zone.

Speaker 6 (39:39):
So we're very willing to work.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
With existing regulations and regulators to somehow find a middle
ground where we can offer these therapies that are found
in discovered in Immortalis across the world to clinics and everything.

Speaker 11 (39:55):
What I really like about your approach and what I
heard in abundance from you today and your presentation is
the pragmatism. You're not just looking at one particular implementation.
You are looking at whatever is going to work, whatever
is going to make a difference within existing systems or
new systems that you create.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
And I've come to have that mindset over the years
as well.

Speaker 11 (40:20):
As I said yesterday in my remarks, I have a
strong small L libertarian streak. I've been quite disillusioned with
the Capital L Libertarian Party in the United States, as
I think are a lot of people who think the
way that we do. But I very much value individual liberty.
I very much value technological progress, the freedom to engage

(40:41):
in that, the freedom for people to seek out the
solutions that work best for them and actually work to
achieve the outcomes that they see. Longer life, greater health,
greater prosperity. So we can't just remain within a particular
rigid framework to achieve those We have to find out
it works in the real world, and the Transhumanist Party

(41:03):
has been definitely dedicated to that kind of experimentation. But
we are, though we're an international movement with an international reach,
we are a US based political party, so we have
to work within the constraints of the US political system.
But we can still talk to and get insights from
others who pursue different.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
Experiments in governance and see how we can apply for
the fruits of this.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yes, I love it a chance. I don't know if
there are more questions that came in of the live dream.
If there were, though, I'd like.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
To answer yes.

Speaker 11 (41:34):
So we've got some comments in the live stream here,
and we would encourage people to essentially get their comments
into the YouTube chat. So Jason Gerringer, who is our
legislative director rights. We believe in morphological freedom here, which

(41:57):
means also that we have the freedom to not take
any treatments if we don't want to. And he's speaking
in regard to, let's say, some populist backlash that could
be expected, like some people have this strange idea that, oh,
transhumanist augmentations are like the mark of the beast, and
if there really was such a.

Speaker 6 (42:18):
Thing, which there's not, nobody would be forced to.

Speaker 11 (42:22):
Undertake any sorts of augmentations, any sorts of treatments. And
I wonder, since we're both strong supporters of individual freedom,
how do you think we can get past that backlash,
that misperception that somehow what transhumanists are trying to do
is going to be some overarching system of control where

(42:43):
we really just want to empower people to make.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Their own choices.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
That is an excellent question, And I agree with your
sentiments of libertarianism with this small and I like to
think of it this way, especially in regards to longevity.
We want the option to not die, and right now
we're forced to die.

Speaker 11 (43:05):
And so.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
The fact that we want the option to die, we
want to have the freedom to work on these innovations
to come up with it, and once there is a
cure to aging and death, now death is optional. Those
of us who want to live longer can choose to
do so. But on the flip side of that, there's
nobody anywhere that I know of saying that once we
have a cure, you have to take it. That's ridiculous

(43:28):
because everyone has their own base and their own beliefs.
I know people who think of karma cycles and the
death and rebirth is very important to their spirituality, and
I embrace that for them, and they should be very
free to pursue that. It's optional both ways.

Speaker 11 (43:45):
Yes, absolutely, And I'm curious also, Cody, in terms of
how you got.

Speaker 6 (43:52):
Into the broader longevity movement.

Speaker 11 (43:55):
What originally made you aware of these bands is being
pursued and made you excited to contribute?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
'scentially a really good story.

Speaker 6 (44:04):
So I talk just now.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I brought up the founder of Mark Hamilton, and he's
an author. He's written books for the past forty five
years that have been geared towards shifting the psychology in
society to actually desire a gear for aging. And what
he identified is that people who don't like their life

(44:27):
aren't going to want to keep it going longer. So
he developed systems to help people move into a mode
that essentially life is a joy and they want to
keep it going without going into huge detailed these are
big books. So I read those, and in reading those,
I realized, Okay, I am doing some the things, and

(44:48):
I do want to live longer. And now that I
want to, let's see what the possibility of it is,
because this is being talked about like it could actually happen.
So then I hit the internet twenty fourteen or so,
and I was actually just interviewing Aubrey De Gray and
we talked about this. One of the first things I
saw was Aubrey De Gray's TED talk that he recorded

(45:10):
in two thousand and six talking about aging and some
of the amazing things he had been able to accomplish.
Obviously not a cure to aging yet, but very huge
steps in the right direction. And once I saw that,
it just it wasn't even a belief level anymore that
could happen. It was an knowingness this can't happen.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
It's just a matter of making it.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
And ever since then, I've been on the watch of
the longevity field and Then in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 6 (45:39):
I had a friend of mine who came to.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
The first Radfest. Somehow I didn't care about it yet,
but when she came home she was telling everyone about it,
and including me. Is In twenty seventeen, I showed up
in the Rescia's Sister.

Speaker 11 (45:53):
Yes, well, that's a wonderful story, and there are actually
quite a few similarities to my own. No, I'm about
a decade older than you, so these events happened a
decade earlier for me. But I discovered Aubrey's work in
two thousand and four, and prior to that time I
was an implicit transhumanist and immortalist in the sense that

(46:15):
I thought death was wrong, death was an injustice ever
since I learned about death, and I wasn't sure before
encountering Aubrey's work whether this was a problem that was
solvable within our lifetimes, though I still always considered it
a worthwhile goal. But when I read about Aubrey's work
in two thousand and four, I recognized his strategies for

(46:37):
engineered negligible cinessence offered a very viable damage repair approach
that could be implemented in our lifetimes. And of course
that gives us a fighting chance, enough of a chance
that we should direct our efforts to pursuing. Now, speaking
of Mark Hamilton, I also encountered his work around that time.
So yes, yes, I was, Yes, I was in high school.

(47:01):
And here's how it happened. I had already read other,
let's say, small libertarian authors. Einran wouldn't have called herself
a libertarian, but she very much inspired a lot of
the libertarian movement, but also a lot of the classical
liberal thinkers, writers like Frederic Bastia, or economists like Milton
Friedman and Lusik Konnisis.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
And yes, yes, so.

Speaker 11 (47:27):
Interestingly enough, I was having a conversation with some other
students about these ideas, and the custodian at my school,
he was just one of the ordinary custodians. He came
up and he was kind of listening intently, nodding, and
he was saying, well, this is very insightful, and I
have this book that I've been reading that I'd like

(47:50):
to share with you that has very similar ideas.

Speaker 6 (47:54):
And this was a book by Mark Hamilton.

Speaker 11 (47:58):
He has many books, and this was a book that
outlined I think what he called neotech or neothink and
this week it was one of the big black books,
and the impact I think it was a white one.
A white one, yeah, okay, yes, but this was back
in two thousand and four, so I think self publishing,

(48:19):
let's say, esthetics were a lot simpler. So uh, these
these were books that were let's say, more substance than style.
So I remember like a very simple cover, but a
very interesting read, very engaging read. And I was actually
thinking when I read that book, really to have these

(48:39):
ideas be implemented, the people in this movement would need
their own jurisdiction to experiment with.

Speaker 6 (48:48):
So perhaps what I see, yes.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
I'm around and see Mark Hamilton here talking about in Mortal.

Speaker 11 (48:54):
Yes, so what I'm seeing here maybe the culmination or
the next phase of the ideas in our book.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Okay, that's very cool. So I want to pick your
brain now, if you had read that book in two
thousand and four, and we're aware of Mark Hamilton when
you came to rite Best this year heard about Immortalis
and then at some point Timber again realized Mark Hamilton
was the founder. What was your thought process?

Speaker 11 (49:21):
Yes, so my thought processes? Is this the same Mark
Hamilton and I did a little bit of research and
I realized, yes, everything aligns in terms of the ideas,
in terms of what he has been advocating for years,
and it just makes sense that this is what he's
doing now because now the technology has better developed, the

(49:44):
communications are better developed, so we're all connected through a
much greater variety of media. We don't just have to
pass books around with plain white or black covers anymore.
We can speak in real time. We have a worldwide audience,
and perhaps politicians.

Speaker 6 (50:03):
Are more receptive.

Speaker 11 (50:04):
Like Jose talked about Javier Malay, who is a former
mentie of Jose's, and I am really intrigued by what
Malay might be able to do because Malay has shown
that he's not found by conventional constraints.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Yeah, we're very excited to see how the discussion goes.
And one of the questions I saw when you're going
through there is a they can call Javier Malay transhumanism.

Speaker 6 (50:30):
Yes he did, Yes he did. And Jose knows Javier
Malay personally.

Speaker 11 (50:34):
Now I don't know Malay personally, but when I was
observing Malay's campaign shortly before he won, I realized that
there are some hey similarities Now, Stylistically, he and I
are very different. I wouldn't be wielding a chainsaw on
stage or anything like that, but I think the thinking
in the background the insights. So Malay is trained as

(50:58):
an economist and he has been rigorously trained in some
of the same core writings that I studied in college.
So he of Austrian economics, yes, love Yes. I actually
wrote a paper in the Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics
on Murray Rothbart, comparing and contrasting his views on praxeology,

(51:20):
so ideas like the action axiom the structure of human
action with those of Hans Carman Haffa and other Austrian
economists and lud von Nisis. And that paper also drew
on some of the historical thought tradition and that respect
going that to thinkers like Aristotle.

Speaker 6 (51:40):
So I'm definitely familiar with that, Liliu.

Speaker 11 (51:44):
And it tends to produce, let's say, different styles, but
often a common substance underneath those styles. A strong valuation
of individual freedom, strong systems thinking, focus on incentives and
doesn't matter, and a focus on kind of the qualitative

(52:05):
framework of human actions. So it's less like micromanaging and
quantitative details. That's less saying well, we're going to increase
GDP by five percent next year, and it's more along
the lines of what systems, what incentives in general could
maximize human flourishing, human creation abundance, and thereby.

Speaker 6 (52:29):
Raise economic growth.

Speaker 11 (52:30):
So that's what I think Malay is doing, especially in
his efforts to combat inflation in Argentina, which has just
been devastating to people, and he has been able to
bring that down considerably.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
It's amazing because if you go way way that Argentina
is a very prosperous country, and then there was I
think it was a sixty year period of just put
a bluntly that politic that put down where they are
a year or two ago with Clongla. But even if
you take the sixty years or whatever the number is,

(53:03):
someone can correct me of bad politics that had a
lot of issues. In just a year, just over a year,
Malay has been able to do.

Speaker 6 (53:14):
So much to start churning that around and you can
actually see.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
A positive incine in the economy and social dynamics. So
it's really beautiful to see what he's doing.

Speaker 11 (53:27):
Absolutely absolutely, and you're going to be visiting him in
person with Jose I would be intrigued once you visit him,
to hear from you how it went, what your impressions were,
what you think the potential there is.

Speaker 6 (53:42):
And I remember after Malay had won.

Speaker 11 (53:46):
Jose was very enthusiastic about it, and he and I
talked a bit, exchanged a bit of correspondence, and I
asked Jose.

Speaker 6 (53:53):
Well, now that Milay is in power, is there a
chance for him.

Speaker 11 (53:57):
To issue a declaration of aging as a disease, are
a treatable medical condition, whatever.

Speaker 6 (54:03):
It takes to point attention to the field. And Jose said, essentially.

Speaker 11 (54:09):
That's perhaps a longer term hope, but Malay has an
inflation crisis, an economic crisis to manage right now, so
in the near term he had his hands full. Now
we're in mid twenty twenty five, so a year and
a half into Malay's administration, I think the economic situation
in Argentina has improved considerably, though of course it's not

(54:30):
trouble free, and Malay keeps fighting against opposition as well.
So the question in my mind will be how much
bandwidth will he have? Will he be receptive to that?
But we want to take our allies where we can
get them, and The Transhumanist Party is very much a
transpartisan kind of endeavor. So we have people spanning all

(54:52):
over the traditional political and economic spectrum. So we have
some libertarians and a narco capitalists, we have centrists, we
have some socialists. So even opinions I'm the lad differ,
but I am very much a pragmatistem this regard. So
I'm thinking which people, which institutions, which movements can help
us get to the goal, because the goal is one

(55:15):
that benefits.

Speaker 6 (55:16):
Everybody, your respective of their ideologies or beliefs.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
I think something that people miss the mark on is, yeah,
we have the ideal world and ideal scene that we
want to see happen, and then we have where we are,
and most people think, let's just do that. It's not
really practical. I quite many.

Speaker 6 (55:33):
You've got to go in.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Stages on in steps, and the people who are in
power and in charge of the world right now are
the people who are in charge of it. So we
have to go in and work with them where they're at,
just to make steps in program. But once you make
those steps in progress, then you can see a little
bit further and then you can go about making amorts.
And one step at a time when you get to

(55:56):
a finish through that.

Speaker 11 (55:57):
Yes, I wish more people would uncome most paths of
la and the older I get, of course, the more
urgency I feel myself, and I can only imagine what
people in their fifties or in their sixties or older.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
Must be feeling as well. But in my view, yes,
it's primarily about the steps. How do we get from
here to there? How do we achieve improvements.

Speaker 11 (56:22):
Whether incremental or radical, whatever we can get that will
put us in a better position to live indefinitely achieve immortality.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Yes, so well, is there anything else that you any.

Speaker 6 (56:36):
Have a question doing to bring up? I know, so
let's see here in terms of our audience questions. So,
Jason Gerringer was just curious of what Malay doing.

Speaker 11 (56:54):
What Malay was doing was actually going to work, given
that Argentina was in really bad shape. And I don't
know to what extent you've looked into his policies, but
what's your assessment of the situation over there and how
it might be relevant to some mortalists.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
I don't think I know enough about what he's doing
to speak authoritatively on it, but just from what I
have seen, you know talking to Joise.

Speaker 6 (57:21):
And knowing what I know about Lay.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I think it can be done. But it's going to
take a lot of time, and there's probably going to
have to be a shifted focused at some point from
Lay so he can make sure he gets re elected,
has more time to make it. So short term, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Long term, I think he could do.

Speaker 7 (57:42):
You think everything w right?

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Well, Thank you very much, Cody.

Speaker 6 (57:47):
It was great observing your presentation and speaking with.

Speaker 11 (57:50):
You as well, and I wish you an Immortalist, all
the best let's he can contact, and I will eagerly
follow the progress that you're going to have and setting
out the freedom zones. Yes, thank you Cody, And for
our audience, we're going to have another musical introlude and

(58:10):
then we'll transition to a setting where we can talk
a bit more about rad Fest.

Speaker 6 (58:16):
So here we go.

Speaker 11 (01:00:03):
S all right, greetings ladies and gentlemen, and welcome once

(01:01:20):
again to Radfest. This is our discussion component of the
stream after the presentation by Cody Dean of Immortalists and
the great interview that I had with Cody just now,
So thank you to everyone. I apologize for the technical
difficulties at the beginning, I figured out which device's microphone

(01:01:46):
would be best for the audio. But this is really
an experiment for us in the US Transhumanist Party. Previously,
we've brought you sessions from events like Longevity, Summitt Dublin,
and we've brought you prewarded segments from events like rad Fest,
but we've never been in the thick of it before,

(01:02:08):
just live streaming presentation. So Cody was very kind to
enable that and facilitate that, and then facilitate the interview
in his booth. And I hope that you heard the
majority of it and you found the discussion interesting and insightful.

(01:02:29):
Now I will focus on the chat and the comments
in the chat. So I know Mike Lazine has a
question how was I able to drop in this musical
piece being on Psyche with rad Fest.

Speaker 6 (01:02:45):
So I appreciate your good words, Mike.

Speaker 11 (01:02:48):
And the way I did that was I uploaded the
videos to our stream yard interface beforehand.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
So I could just click play and they be ready
to go. So thank you for that question.

Speaker 11 (01:03:06):
Now, Hansoa Juanau says Ai needs to be educated with composers.
Real composers composition to obey rules otherwise it's only a flow.
A concerto needs to travel from said to joyful tones
through appeasing ones. I would encourage you to listen to
the fifty two weeks we had that stream of an

(01:03:27):
AI generated Baroque grand concerto, And that stream actually was
one that I had curated. I had assembled from fifty
two distinct movements that were separately generated through the udo AI.
So the human intentionality was still there in the sense
that I picked the movements that represented particular weeks of

(01:03:52):
the year to the greatest extent that made sense to
me as a human listener. And I also so picked
the mostly AI generated though some historical artworks to go
along with those. And I think the future of art,
of music, and of a lot of human endeavor, both

(01:04:14):
creative endeavor and technical endeavor, is going to be one
of AI human collaboration. So the music that you heard
today was human created in the sense that I composed
my piece's note for note, and I used composition software
to put in the notation, and then Jason used other

(01:04:38):
programs to remaster those. But those are very much human
creations every step of the way, and there's a lot
of intentionality as well, and Mike Lasine says, yes, I
remember that Virtual Enlightenment salon that we had and it
came out sounding pretty good. So Jason asks, is Bill

(01:04:58):
Andrews there and as Aubrey, Yes, both of them are
very much there, and Aubrey is one of the organizers
of Radfest this year. Aubrey and the Longevity Escape Velocity
Foundation are the major sponsors of Radfest in addition to
the Coalition for Radical Life Extension, which has been running

(01:05:20):
it every year. So this year it was a partnership
precisely because Aubrey could bring in scientists who normally wouldn't
attend this kind of conference, but who provided.

Speaker 6 (01:05:35):
A lot of technical rigor. So most people here.

Speaker 11 (01:05:39):
Are dedicated immortalists from let's say, the perspective of their values,
the perspective of the goals that they seek to achieve.
But what they really need, in my view, are the
means to achieve this, and that's what the scientists are
here for. And this also helps to inform the scientists
about the community that is here that is both supportive

(01:06:02):
of their work and wants them to take their work
to the next level.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
And of course Bill Andrews is here as well.

Speaker 11 (01:06:09):
Bill Andrews is part of the board of the Coalition
for Radical Life Extension, so he has been here at
every Radfest.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
He mentioned the Transhumanist Party in two of his presentations.

Speaker 11 (01:06:20):
I have a Facebook post and an Instagram post and
an ex post about his first presentation. He had a
second one on the main stage where he also showed
the slide where he had two logos, the Coalition for
Radical Life Extension and the US Transhumanist Party. So he's
very much an ally of ours, and there will be

(01:06:42):
more pictures to come, more media to come from this
Radfest more generally. But I would say Aubrey and Bill
have long been among our greatest supporters and our greatest collaborators,
so of course they would be here. Question from Mike Luisine,

(01:07:02):
who was the founder of Radfest was at Aubrey. So
Aubrey was one of a group of people who got
together I believe it was in late twenty fifteen and
did the organizational work for the first Radfest, which occurred
in the summer of twenty sixteen. So these people formed
what is called the Coalition for Radical Life Extension, and

(01:07:25):
among them are people like Jim Stroll, Joe Bardin, Bill Fulloon,
whom I think many life extension enthusiasts no, since he
has been promoting let's say, medications supplements approaches toward healthy
life extension since the nineteen eighties and also fighting against

(01:07:47):
FDA restrictions on people's ability to pursue those kinds of
treatments for those approaches. Liz Parrish is also a key contributor,
and she has been there since the beginning. So these
are the people who were on stage today, Aubrey de Gray,

(01:08:07):
Bill Andrews, Bill Faloon, Liz Parrish, Jim Stroll, and Joe Bardeen.
So it's a collaborative effort. It has always been an
effort where multiple organizations took part and contributed, and I
have been there as well every single rat fest now
for ten Radfests. It's interesting because I asked the panel

(01:08:30):
of question at the end. So there was a panel
of the Coalition for Radical Life Extension Board, and almost
ten years ago, on October first, twenty fifteen, I hosted
a virtual panel this was before I even became chairman
of the US Transhumanist Party, called how can life extension

(01:08:52):
become as popular as the War on Cancer? And you
can find that fairly easily on my YouTube channel. It's
actually still to this day one of my best viewed panels.
What was notable about this panel was that Liz Parrish
was a special guest and she had announced that bio
Viva had the first successful trial of a combination gene

(01:09:13):
therapy and a patient.

Speaker 6 (01:09:15):
At that point, she didn't announce that she was that patient.

Speaker 11 (01:09:18):
She just said there was a patient who received the
combination gene therapy and that person was doing well, no
adverse side effects. And a few days later we found
out that that patient was indeed Liz, but she made
that announcement for the first time on the panel that
I hosted. So I asked the Coalition board essentially, how
can life extension become as popular as the War on cancer?

(01:09:41):
Especially since here we are a little less than ten
years later. I think life extension has become more popular
in the sense that there is a greater community.

Speaker 5 (01:09:53):
There are events such as Radfest.

Speaker 11 (01:09:55):
Of course, we have the Transhumanist Party that has made
considerable and wrote since that time, but we're still not,
let's say, a mainstream kind of endeavor.

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
We don't have millions, and.

Speaker 11 (01:10:11):
I would say with regard to cancer, billions of people
who agree that defeating aging is a worthwhile goal. So
I solicited ideas from the panel, and what Aubrey said
was interesting in that Aubrey believes the war on cancer,

(01:10:32):
in terms of funding and in terms of the impact
of that campaign on the actual medical progress, was a
drop in the bucket relative to what really is needed
and relative to total funding for medical research. What he
thinks the better analogy ought to be as to the

(01:10:52):
war on COVID. How when the COVID nineteen pandemic began,
the world essentially pivoted very rapidly toward the COVID response,
toward fighting it, toward an accelerated development of COVID vaccines
operation warp speed, and for at least let's say a

(01:11:14):
year and a half, people throughout the world by and
large recognized the urgency and importance of combating COVID. So
Aubrey thinks we need a new COVID scale war on aging,
and the challenge is how to get people to perceive

(01:11:34):
that degree of urgency, that degree of salience to this
problem that afflicts all of us.

Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
Whereas COVID killed.

Speaker 11 (01:11:42):
Some people in made life very hard for many more people,
it affected me personally it affected others in the USTP
and others watching this personally.

Speaker 5 (01:11:51):
So COVID was a terrible menace. It deserved to be fought.

Speaker 11 (01:11:55):
I think it's a tragedy that many in the world
and in our political system have essentially given up on
fighting COVID. But aging is a much greater menace. Aging
also increases the susceptibility to COVID greatly. But aging will
kill all of us unless aging can be reversed. So

(01:12:16):
how do we get the general public to recognize this urgency.
There has been an increasing discussion within the longevity community
about theories of change. So what is one's view of
how we can viably get from here to there? And
different people have widely differing opinions on what is a

(01:12:41):
reasonable theory of change. Aubrey's theory of change is that
what matter are the influencers, people like Oprah Winfrey or
Joe Rogan or Lex Friedman, and the influencers have a
lot of sway with the general public. The example, if
you use, is when Oprah recommends a book for her

(01:13:03):
audience to buy, millions of people go out and buy it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
So if Oprah were to.

Speaker 11 (01:13:11):
Understand the importance and the urgency of combating aging, and
she were to communicate that to her audience, all of
a sudden, we would have a massive movement aligned with us. Now,
there are a few more steps in that theory of
change that Aubrey has articulated, because Oprah isn't just going
to go ahead and say that on her own because

(01:13:33):
of his view. Influencers want to stay influential, and they
want to maintain the perception among their audience that they
are credible, and the way that they do that is
essentially by being right.

Speaker 5 (01:13:49):
And the way that they try to hedge their bets
in terms of whether.

Speaker 11 (01:13:54):
Their particular recommendations or pronouncements are right is to listen
to the experts. Oprah and other influencers are going to
listen to what are considered respected mainstream scientists within the
biogerontology community who are going to give their assessments about

(01:14:15):
whether defeating aging within our lifetimes is feasible or not.
And I think actually that's why the war on cancer
is a mainstream cause, because there are a lot of
scientists pschologists who are saying, yes, we can pure cancer
within our lifetimes. At the very least, we can greatly
reduce cancer mortality. And these are the experts who are saying, well,

(01:14:36):
we need more investment in this, we need more funding.
But I think everyone understands the devastation of cancer, everyone
understands that curing it would be a worthwhile goal. Not
everyone understood it before the nineteen seventies, before Richard Nixon
declared War on cancer, and in the decades leading up
to that, of course, there was a huge activist effort

(01:14:57):
to persuade the US federal government to take that direction.
But in terms of biogerontologists, how do we get them
to say that curing aging or reversing aging within our
lifetimes is feasible? They, according to Aubrey, need to be
persuaded that certain timeframe predictions are plausible, and right now

(01:15:21):
the biomedical gerontologists are too cautious in giving time frame
predictions because there is a lot of uncertainty. So Aubrey's
probabilistic timeframe is a fifty percent probability of reaching longevity
escape velocity in twelve to fifteen years with sufficient funding.
So he challenged during an earlier panel this morning, his

(01:15:45):
colleagues within the biogerontological community, people like Brian Kennedy, Michael
West at Caperline, and John abher Doctor John Abhert, who
is now with our PAH, was on the panel to
give some timeframe predictions about when it might be possible

(01:16:07):
to at least crucially reverse aspects of aging. So a
lot of them did say that within the next ten
years or so, if we put in sufficient effort, we
could get an increase and either lifespan or health span
by anywhere between ten and twenty years, and in practice

(01:16:31):
Aubrey's views, that would be longevity escape velocity because from
then on we could iterate. Now, many of those other
scientists don't want to go as far as stating that.
They don't want to go as far as saying, if
we increase longevity by twenty years, then the people who
live that long are going to benefit from the next
generation of advances and then the generation of advances after

(01:16:53):
that and will in effect have open ended lifespans. But
Aubrey thinks that may be okay for enough scientists to
say within the next decade or decade and the half,
we can get lifespan extension by ten to twenty years,
and that could get enough people excited. Healthy lifespan extension,

(01:17:16):
which means these people aren't going to be frail, they're
not going to be debilitated. They're going to be able
to live their lives in a way that they find
meaningful and enjoyable. So Mike Lauzine says, oh goodie, I
should be able to see lev by the time I'm
sixty or seventy. Nice, and that's my hope as well.

(01:17:38):
Of Course, always with progress, it's contingent, and I think
it's contingent on public support. It's contingent on advocacy. It's
contingent on funding, and those of us who recognize the
importance of this goal who want to see it for ourselves,
need to do our part in advocating for it. So,

(01:18:00):
speaking of that, I gave a presentation yesterday, July twelfth,
as part of the activism panel that was coordinated by
jose Cordero, who you saw on stage today. Another one
of the speakers was Cody Dean, and the third speaker
after Cody and myself was Joe Bardine of the Coalition

(01:18:25):
for Radical Life Extension. So Cody gave a presentation on
longevity activism. I gave a presentation on led the Game
on Longevity Escape Velocity. Of course, for those of you
who remember, we had a prior Virtual Enlightenment Salon in
May of twenty twenty four demonstrating an earlier build of

(01:18:49):
LV the game.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
Build point six.

Speaker 11 (01:18:52):
Now we have built zero point ninety one available for
you to download and play from.

Speaker 5 (01:18:58):
The US transum this part website.

Speaker 11 (01:19:01):
I hope to eventually have a recording of my presentation
available from Radfest and from Longevity Summit Dublin. So, as
you know, last week, on July fourth, of all days,
I was in Dublin, Ireland presenting on LED the game.

(01:19:21):
This time, the Radfest presentation was better attended. I think
in both presentations the game was very well received. The
people who were there were quite intrigued. This time, the
improvement was that I could actually play a little bit
of the game and have it be projected on screen

(01:19:42):
and have the audience make selections.

Speaker 5 (01:19:45):
On behalf of the character.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
The character we played as.

Speaker 11 (01:19:49):
Was named Lazarus Long in tribute to Robert Heinlein's book
Methuselis's Children, where Lazarus Long was a long lived protagonist.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
And he started out at the age of sixty five.

Speaker 11 (01:20:02):
Both chiologically and biologically and we got to the point
where he got to benefit from a combination of two
damage reversal sense treatments. And we only had a fifteen
minute session, so that's as far as I could go.
But I'm glad that there was this interactive component that
the attendees could contribute their own recommendations as to what

(01:20:26):
this character could do, because I think that's a great
way to play the game, and that's a great way
to get people actively engaged in thinking about the path
from here to there. So what I just discussed with Cody,
I no longer am content with just thinking about ideal
systems or the.

Speaker 5 (01:20:45):
Outcomes we want to reach.

Speaker 11 (01:20:48):
Reality is messy and it's turbulent, and people meet with adversity,
they meet with setbacks.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
So how are we going to go from here to there?

Speaker 11 (01:21:01):
And it's not just a question that I need to
answer for myself, it's a question that everybody needs to
answer if they're going to support our movement, because they
need to see a plausible path. They need to see
that theory of change. And Luis I acknowledge this. He
writes that he's more pessimistic. He's in his late twenties

(01:21:22):
and he doesn't think he's going to see LV A
lot of people under thirty do not have a good view.

Speaker 5 (01:21:27):
Of the future.

Speaker 11 (01:21:28):
There was another speaker yesterday whom regular Enlightenment Salon attendees know,
Kai Michah Mills. He's been our guest on three occasions
and he's also in his late twenties. He's about ten
years younger than I am, and he himself said that
he thinks there's a high probability that he will have

(01:21:52):
to be cry or preserved at some point.

Speaker 5 (01:21:54):
This is why he has such a.

Speaker 11 (01:21:57):
Heavy focus on cryonics in terms of the startup organizations
that he runs. As our viewers will remember Kai Micah
Mills as a serial entrepreneur. He is the founder of Cryopets,
cryo Doo and hydrid Doo, and.

Speaker 5 (01:22:15):
He spoke during his presentation also about several other initiatives
decentralized autonomous organizations that he's interested in starting in terms
of targeting specific aspects of aging and getting decentralized sources
of funding for various scientific research projects. So I think

(01:22:39):
he's an extremely admirable individual, quite energetic as well, and
he has also been involved in gaming previously as an entrepreneur,
so he did a lot with Minecraft when he was
a teenager. He dropped out of high school actually and.

Speaker 11 (01:22:58):
Focused onrepreneurship, including in the area of gaming. He made
a bit of money, and to his credit, he put
a lot of that money toward these longevity oriented or
cryonics oriented organizations. So I would venture to say that
Kai and Luis are within a few years of one another.

(01:23:21):
Kai has a kind of similarly pessimistic outlook, but he
still thinks he can do something about it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
He still thinks he can contribute it.

Speaker 11 (01:23:29):
He thinks it would be great if he didn't have
to undergo cryo preservation. I asked him in the Q
and A what does he do as a serial entrepreneur
to delegate to establish good governance structures so that once
he founds a company or a dow, it can just

(01:23:52):
keep going on its own, maybe with some contribution from him.
But how does he designate people whom he can trust
to run a particular organization so that he can focus
on starting the next organization. The answer that he gave
rather surprise me a bit, maybe not completely, but he
actually said he does all of this pretty much himself,

(01:24:15):
and he just spends all of his time doing it.
And gets very little sleep and maybe even undermines his
own health in the process. But for him, it is
very much a mission that he is pursuing, and he
is younger than many of us, So at twenty seven
people have more energy than they do at say thirty

(01:24:37):
seven or later.

Speaker 5 (01:24:39):
And I do hope that he's able to find.

Speaker 11 (01:24:43):
More let's say, structural approaches or delegation based approaches later
on to keep those organizations going. But nonetheless I admire
that I tell people in their late teens early twenty
is that the twenties are really a decade where you
should try to go as fast as possible and achieve

(01:25:06):
as much as you can achieve, because you build up
the resources, you build up the achievements, you build up
the intellectual capital that you then draw upon later on
in your life when you might not have as much energy,
you might not have as much time, you might be
spread too thin, but you leverage those earlier accomplishments to

(01:25:29):
continue to be productive, to continue to contribute.

Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
And the older you get, the more delegation you need
to do.

Speaker 11 (01:25:36):
That's just a fact right now, as we're still vulnerable
to biological aging. Now, I do wonder and I have
thought about this for quite some time. Why is it
that many younger people, and by younger I mean younger
than thirty, are perhaps more pessimistic.

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
I think it has to do with the cost of
living crisis. And I notice a.

Speaker 11 (01:26:04):
Difference in terms of outlook between say, people in their
late teens and early twenties versus people in their late twenties.

Speaker 5 (01:26:11):
Now, why is that?

Speaker 11 (01:26:13):
My hypothesis, This is not proof. This is from my
anecdotal experience. My hypothesis is that people in their late
teens and early twenties, they're still supported by a variety
of let's say, institutions from the family, if they have
parents who pay for their educations or provide them with upkeep,

(01:26:38):
or if they're going to college, the college infrastructure supports them.
And even if they're paying a lot intuition, they don't
feel the consequences of that yet, and that gives them
some breathing room. That gives them room, of course, to
pursue academics, which is what they're intended to do, but
it also gives them room to do a bit more

(01:26:58):
intellectual exploration in a bit more of a leisurely fashion,
even though it might not seem that way when you're
in college, when you're taking a lot of courses and
you're busy with homework or extracurricular activities or whatever it is.
I hope that's what you're busy with when you're in college,
or if you're a serial entrepreneur like Kai was at

(01:27:19):
that age, maybe you do have a family support infrastructure.
By the time people are in their late twenties, especially
in a country like the United States, which really prioritizes
culturally people kind of separating from their extended families.

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
I don't know if that's a great.

Speaker 11 (01:27:37):
Way to operate, actually, but when you're on your own
in your late twenties and the cost of housing is
astronomically high, and inflation has already taken its toll, and jobs,
especially entry level jobs, pay about as much as they
did fifteen years ago, maybe there was a.

Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
Mild cost of living adjustment.

Speaker 11 (01:27:59):
All of a sudden, you are swamped with everyday concerns,
with survival pressures, and you see other people in that situation.
A lot of people in this younger generation see housing
as being out of reach, even in my generation, though
I was an exception because I bought a house very

(01:28:20):
early after graduating from college. I bought a house in
twenty ten, so I benefited from the collapse of the
housing bubble, and I paid off my mortgage by the
time I was twenty nine, and that gave me a
lot of breathing room. It still didn't make my life easy,
but it made it manageable for me to focus on

(01:28:41):
the realm of ideas, to focus on transhumanism, to have
some spare funds, to attend conferences, and undertake my own
projects like fund.

Speaker 6 (01:28:50):
LV the game do.

Speaker 11 (01:28:52):
A lot of people in their late twenties now have
the confidence that by the time they're in their thirties
they'll have.

Speaker 5 (01:28:58):
The resources to do that.

Speaker 11 (01:29:01):
Probably not, and that's very unfortunate, and I think that's
one reason why a lot of the younger generation not
only has that kind of pessimism that Luis expressed, but
they also gravitate towards socialism. They think socialism is going
to solve that problem somehow through redistribution of wealth or
checking what they consider to be the predatory behavior that

(01:29:22):
led to that dynamic. I don't think that's a correct
leak to make from that predicament. Because the United States
didn't have socialism in the nineteen eighties or the nineteen nineties,
and that was a kind of golden age for young
people to become financially prosperous very quickly.

Speaker 5 (01:29:44):
You could get into the middle class.

Speaker 11 (01:29:46):
Maybe most people didn't get into the upper middle class,
but if you were a college educated professional, you could
even get into the upper middle class very easily by
the time you were thirty. And that explained a lot
of the difference in outlooks. But that wasn't a socialistic society.
It was a market economy with less scarcity, more housing supply,

(01:30:11):
greater ease of housing construction, fewer barriers to making things,
fewer barriers to scientific and technological innovation. The nineteen nineties
were also a more techno optimistic decade. And I'm actually
old enough to remember what the sense of life was
before the September eleventh attacks of two thousand and one,

(01:30:34):
and some of that residual sense of life persisted up
until the Great Recession.

Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
The economic collapse in two thousand and eight.

Speaker 11 (01:30:45):
But since that time, of course, a lot of people
who are in their late twenties now don't remember what
life was like before them, and they see struggle, they
see scarcity, they do see technological advancement, but they see
advancement mostly in the world of bits, not the world
of atoms as Peter Teel has characterized it. And they

(01:31:06):
don't see as much of the translation from bits to adams.
So we need to see more translation, and we do
need to get these economic issues taken care of. I
think there needs to be massive liberalization of housing construction.
I think most zoning laws should be abolished. A lot
of commercially zoned buildings should be repurposed to residential buildings.

(01:31:29):
I think a lot of building codes need to be relaxed.
I think we need to sell or at least lease
a lot of the federally owned land which is currently
not being used for anything, and irrigate it, use it
for commerce, for agriculture, and to construct a lot more housing.

(01:31:50):
And we need to leverage new technologies of three D
printing as well as other modular construction techniques to massively
increase the house supply. And to all the socialists watching this,
maybe you like what I'm about to say. Nikita Khrushchev,
the leader of the Soviet Union between nineteen fifty five

(01:32:12):
and nineteen sixty four, essentially solved the housing problem in
the Soviet Union through essentially mass construction of modular homes,
homes that were very easily to build. They were about
two to four stories tall each. They used essentially panels

(01:32:33):
that could be prefabricated and then shipped on site and
assembled fairly easily, so they could get those apartment buildings
erected in several days. And these were not like luxury
apartments at all. They had flimsy walls. There were a
lot of complaints, but a lot of the people there
prior to Khrushchev's era, they lived in essentially communal housing,

(01:32:58):
so multiple families would inhabit essentially barracks style housing, and
it was terrible. During the Stalin era, sometimes people would
report on one another and falsely accuse one another of
subversive activities, so that one family could get essentially deported

(01:33:18):
to a labor camp or worse, and the family that
remained there that reported on them could have the apartment
for the communal facility all to themselves.

Speaker 5 (01:33:32):
So that's how bad it was.

Speaker 11 (01:33:33):
And Khrushchev built enough housing to enable most families to
have their own apartment. It was a massive leap forward,
but many of these apartment buildings are still there. Others
have been built since that time, but the post Soviet
countries have no homelessness. Essentially, they have many other problems,

(01:33:54):
but they don't have the problem of homelessness. And the
site of homeless people on the streets of American cities
and European cities, by the way, too, it's pretty bewildering
and disconcerting to anyone from the former Soviet Union. So
I will say that if today the US federal government
or state governments or local governments decided to undertake that

(01:34:16):
kind of massive construction of modular housing or three D
print at homes, I wouldn't oppose that. Despite my small
l libertarian streak, I think solving the problem of housing
is absolutely urgent. And while Luis writes Jannati has a
point on this, well, thank you Luis, and he says abundant.

Speaker 5 (01:34:36):
Socialism is the correct direction.

Speaker 11 (01:34:39):
Mike Lasine rights, I agree that zoning laws should be
abolished and everything else that Jannati is saying right on
points of thank you very much, and I think that
really goes to the point of pragmatism. So, as I've said,
I want these problems to be solved, including the problem

(01:35:00):
that concern younger people today. So I don't want them
to face a scarcity of housing. I don't want them
to face a cost of living crisis. I want there
to be material abundance. I want there to be confidence
in the future, hope for the future. And it's not
even so much about the absolute standard of living at

(01:35:21):
any given time, because historically there have been more techno
optimistic eras than this one. The issue is in terms
of relative movement, how people perceive the trajectory of their lives,
what has already.

Speaker 5 (01:35:39):
Happened, and what they think is likely to happen. So
I think about this for myself.

Speaker 11 (01:35:46):
Why might I be more optimistic than a lot of
people in their late twenties today. It's not only that
I'm a decade older and I remember what the United
States was like before the Great Recession, and I was
able to get a house in time. Yes, all of
that happened, But I was also born in the Soviet Union,

(01:36:07):
and I saw when it became Belarus what happened with
the hyperinflation, but also what happened with the economic liberalization,
which gave more opportunities, and I saw the rise in
prosperity in terms of my own standard of living in
terms of my own family. Just by immigrating to the
United States, my family was able to get a much

(01:36:27):
higher standard of living. So in my lifetime I was
able to move from what in the US would be
considered a poverty level standard of living. It wasn't seen
that way in the former Soviet Union. Certainly relatively speaking.
We were still middle class there, but from a much
lower standard of living to what's essentially upper middle class

(01:36:50):
in the United States. I say I'm upper middle class
on a good day if I feel like it. But
that's a huge change, and it's coupled with a technology change,
because the Soviet Union was behind technologically, so vinyl records,
black and white television were still common occurrences. They certainly

(01:37:11):
were in my family. I had a vinyl record player
as a child. I had a black and white television set.
There was one color television set in my house. When
my father first came over from the United States, he
bought a PC. He brought a PC over from the US.
This was unheard of in Minsk, and in fact, we

(01:37:33):
had to keep the PC behind closed doors in a
separate room of the house.

Speaker 5 (01:37:38):
Whenever we had visitors, even friends.

Speaker 11 (01:37:40):
Because people might tell other people and where it might spread,
and we might be a target just because we had
a PC in our home, we might be a target
for robbers.

Speaker 5 (01:37:53):
So I went from that to.

Speaker 11 (01:37:58):
A situation where I can do a live stream from
Radfest using multiple devices and yes, patche Wi Fi. But
this is futuristic communication capability compared to what I experienced
as a child. So the trajectory of my life has

(01:38:18):
very much been one of rapid improvement. And I think
that's why I have less status quo bias than most people.
It's why I see the potential for the future being
significantly different from the present because I know that the
present is significantly different from the past. And I think

(01:38:40):
for younger people, mindset is crucial and perspective is crucial,
because even if you're facing financial challenges, you're facing challenges
in terms of the perceived trajectory or momentum of your life.
Keep in mind that pretty much every one of us

(01:39:04):
who is older, even who's a decade older, would gladly
trade places with you just for that additional decade of time.
I've told eighteen year olds I would gladly give up
all of my money if that would make me biologically
eighteen again and start over financially, hopefully keep all the

(01:39:24):
knowledge that I have and have a continuity of eyness,
because that is the most important for me. But health
is the greatest wealth, and people who are biologically younger
are healthier, and they have more of that wealth, and
they have more of an opportunity to achieve this. And
we have right now immense possibilities with technology with harnessing

(01:39:48):
generative AI as we discussed earlier, but also longevity therapies
are emerging, are on the horizon. They are much closer
now than they were ten years ago when Radfest began.
So I just want people to have that perspective. And

(01:40:09):
Mike Lazine asked when did the Soviet Union fall? Nineteen
ninety one, though really the collapse began in earnest in
nineteen eighty nine when the Berlin Wall fell, and then
there was a series of collapses of communist regimes throughout
Eastern Europe, and then starting in nineteen ninety when the
Baltic States seceded, essentially the individual republics that comprised the

(01:40:34):
USSR began to fall apart. But it was a nineteen
ninety one, that the Soviet Union was officially dissolved in
December nineteen ninety one, and essentially it was agreed that
this would be a peaceful dissolution into the fifteen republics
that comprised the Soviet Union. And I would say the

(01:40:56):
collapse of the Soviet Union it brought about a lot
of hermoil in the short term. In the long term,
it was a highly beneficial phenomenon. And it was also
a remarkable phenomenon because the immediate collapse was completely peaceful.

Speaker 5 (01:41:17):
It was just done by mutual agreement.

Speaker 11 (01:41:20):
Now there were loose ends that were left untied, and
that led to essentially simmering resentments that flared up into
conflicts later on. And we especially saw that in the
Central Asian republics. We saw that between our media and Azerbaijan.

(01:41:41):
We saw that in Georgia. We're seeing that now between
Russia and Ukraine. But we are now thirty four years
after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The immediate collapse
was peaceful, and that was I think one of the
greatest testaments to the progress of the human species, because
usually these kinds of collapses end up in civil war

(01:42:05):
right away. But What was also important about the collapse
of the Soviet Union is that it helped many of
the people there, if they were determined enough, to find
better lives. I had this conversation with my father shortly
after my grandfather died, and he remarked that essentially in

(01:42:27):
the Soviet Union, if the Soviet Union had continued and
my family had continued to live there, there would have
been perhaps more day to day stability. But by this
time my grandfather would have certainly been dead. He would
have probably died in his seventies, and even my father
would have been dead, and he's still very much alive.
So the collapse of the Soviet Union was tremendously beneficial

(01:42:51):
for my family in lengthening the life spans of its members.
And I think for me personally, based on the story
that I related, and that's one reason why I don't
have a lot of sympathies for socialism as an ideological
system or an economic system. But I do think there

(01:43:12):
are lessons to be drawn from that society from that
time period, from the key figures, from the thinkers, including
the Cosmos who had a presence in the early years
of the Soviet Union, who inspired endeavors like the Soviet
space program or the nexus of scientific institutions and research endeavors,

(01:43:34):
which in many cases were not ideological. The insights from
that research could be broadly applied to improve the human condition,
so it's important to have a nuanced perspective on that.
And also, of course, one key insight that a lot
of people in the longevity community have noted many strong

(01:43:56):
longevity supporters disproportionate to their share of the world's population,
hail from the former Soviet Union, and there are many
reasons for that.

Speaker 5 (01:44:06):
The cultural influence of cosmism is one of those. And
I also think the observation that.

Speaker 11 (01:44:19):
Systems can collapse and that the status quo is not
necessarily going to hold indefinitely, that the future can be
very much different from the present, just like the present
can be very much different from the past.

Speaker 5 (01:44:32):
Given what people in Eastern.

Speaker 11 (01:44:34):
Europe have lived through the political turmoil that transitions the
different political systems, it shows these people that we can
also make a much better future.

Speaker 5 (01:44:45):
So it is very much a nuanced perspective.

Speaker 11 (01:44:49):
And Jason writes, yes, we never had World War three
like we all feared between NATO and the USSR.

Speaker 5 (01:44:56):
If you think about it, things could have worked out
way worse.

Speaker 11 (01:44:58):
We should be thankful, Yes, we should all be thankful
that we're alive now that we managed to, let's say,
bypass nuclear war.

Speaker 5 (01:45:11):
During the Cold War period, which.

Speaker 11 (01:45:13):
Was a period of great existential risk, and even more
recently during the war between Russia and Ukraine that could
have escalated into a nuclear war, especially in twenty twenty two.
Right now, my view is that risk is much lower.
I still think that war should be ended. I still
will not see the existential risk as being zero or

(01:45:39):
even let's say, functionally zero, until that war has ended.
But I think we dodged a lot of existential bullets,
so to speak, for the human species. And again, that's
a credit to the progress that has been made. I
don't want to discount that, and I don't want to
only focus on the risks and the dangers. I also

(01:46:04):
want to focus on the opportunities, because we, as transhumanists,
should be techno optimists, and we are. Instead of being
a party of fear, we are a party of hope.
Though I did say in my remarks in response to
one of the questions it was actually a question posed
by the Grim Reaper, but you'll see more of that

(01:46:27):
in the future. So the grim Reaper essentially asked why
do people have such fear and anxiety toward death? And
the answer that I gave was, I am not going
to conceal the fact that I fear death. But if
you fear something, one should go deeper. There's a reason

(01:46:48):
for why one would fear something, and it's a fear
of loss. It's a fear of losing something that one value.
So why would I fear death? Death is the loss
of life. I value life, and I love life, and
I want to keep on living. So fear of death
is not bad. Fear can be a powerful motivator. But

(01:47:08):
the root of the fear of death is love of life.
And the reason why we do what we do, why
we pursue radical life extension, why we pursue the advancement
of humanity, is because we love life. And to spread
that love of life, I think can alleviate a lot
of the pessimism. It can alleviate a lot of the
sense of meaninglessness and existential despair that unfortunately affects a

(01:47:34):
large portion of the younger generation. So we have a
nice question here from which Master who wonders what would
the world look like if the transhumanists had broad political
power and a tremendous budget like NASSAS.

Speaker 5 (01:47:49):
So, assuming we had no.

Speaker 11 (01:47:53):
Significant political constraints and no significant funding constraints, that's a
good question. So right away, we would invest massive amounts
of money into anti aging research. The US Transhumanist Party
platform already advocates for one hundred billion dollar annual funding
package for life extension research and a ten billion dollar

(01:48:16):
annual funding package for research into reversible prior preservation techniques.
Along with that, of course, we would advocate tremendous funding
for public health, for vaccination research, for building up stockpiles
of equipment, for rapidly training a force of medical practitioners,

(01:48:39):
both to respond to emergencies like pandemics and just provide
better medical service, more accessible medical service.

Speaker 5 (01:48:48):
Since the start of the COVID.

Speaker 11 (01:48:49):
Pandemic, we've advocated a doubling of the US hospital capacity
through rapid construction techniques. So all of those are initiative
that the US Transhumanist Party would support, And of course
we would want to liberalize the regulatory constraints in terms

(01:49:09):
of the FDA review process. We would not want it
to take ten to fifteen years. We would want patients
to have the freedom to try medical treatments that haven't
yet passed through the full three phase clinical trial process.
If the treatments are safe and people want to experiment
with them for their own health and longevity, even if

(01:49:31):
they're not terminal ill, they should have the right to
do that. And we do have a question also from
our producer Bill Skywatcher. Should we look at other countries
investing in longevity. It seems science is taking a backseat
in terms of US research. Yes, I want to comment
on that since that was a common theme in this

(01:49:51):
year's rad Fest. A lot of the scientists on stage
are deeply troubled by the funding cuts to the NIH,
the Nationalists Suites of Health, as well as the general
anti science attitude that is coming out of the current
US administration. The people being laid off in research oriented

(01:50:12):
agencies like the NIH, and also scientists being persecuted. Of course,
there's political persecution of Harvard University by the Trump administration.
David Sinclair's lab got its funding caught off, but there
are other instances as well. So Michael West, doctor Michael West,
who is a pioneer in anti aging research, He received

(01:50:36):
a special award at this year's Radfest called the Bacon Prize,
named after Roger Bacon and Sir Francis Bacon, and he
gave a kind of short acceptance speech. He dedicated his
acceptance speech to Xenia Petrova, who is a Russian scientist.
She was working and I believe, one of George Church's labs,

(01:50:59):
and she got arrested and put in jail for three
months for bringing in slide samples of tissues from Russia.
So she got arrested for bringing in research samples, completely harmless,

(01:51:20):
nonpathogenic samples, just for research purposes. And the MAGA crowd
is essentially clamoring for harshness just because she's a foreigner,
just because she's Russian, just because they want to show

(01:51:41):
toughness to immigrants. And it makes absolutely no sense because
this is a scientist who has been focused on anti
aging research.

Speaker 5 (01:51:51):
She hasn't even been ideological about it.

Speaker 11 (01:51:55):
But this crackdown, this thoughtless crackdown, not even based on ideology,
but based on service level appearances. Oh, this is a
government initiative. So the Trump administration thinks that should be
cut or these people are foreigners. The Trump administration thinks
they should be cracked down on. That's just such a
travesty and it is going to set back science funding

(01:52:17):
in the United States.

Speaker 5 (01:52:18):
So we do need to look at other countries.

Speaker 11 (01:52:20):
Singapore is very promising and a lot of longevity clinics,
a lot of longevity startups have been established in Singapore.
One prominent scientist who is based there is doctor Brian Kennedy,
who was a prominent speaker at this year's Radfest. And
of course I think even the European Union is going

(01:52:40):
to be a more welcoming place for longevity research than
the US. And Bill Skywasher writes, even scientists attending conferences
in the US from outside are being grasped if they
are deemed hostile against US policy. It is an absolute tragedy.
I just hope that in the long arc of history,

(01:53:02):
this will be a downward blip like COVID was a
downward blip, but that we can recover from this.

Speaker 5 (01:53:09):
And it's absolutely crucial to have a movement.

Speaker 11 (01:53:14):
Like ours, and to have organizations like the US Transhumanist Party,
and to have events like Bradfest and other conferences like
Longevity Summit, Dublin conferences outside of the United States. We're
going to need our allies and friends outside of the
US to tide us through this, because we may be
in for a few difficult years ahead. But in the meantime,

(01:53:35):
science and technology are progressing and we need to keep
that in mind. So thank you very much to everybody
who attended today. In terms of our experimental live stream,
we had a few technical issues, but overall it went
quite well and I'm pleased to be able to have
had a conversation with our dedicated online viewers. I hope

(01:53:56):
that we can all live long and prospering

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