Analizamos con Nicolás Samper el subcampeonato de Colombia en la Copa América

La selección colombiana de Néstor Lorenzo se quedó sin la Copa América, tras perder con Argentina la final. ¿Qué nos faltó? ¿Teníamos para ser campeones? ¿Qué sigue para el equipo? Estás preguntas y más las respondemos en un nuevo capítulo de Tribuna Deportiva. Con Nicolás Samper como invitado.

Episode Transcript

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The spectator' s friend friends,welcome to a new chapter of the sports

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platform today, the day after,the day after that final of the Copa
América, that Colombia lost a zerowith Argentina, with that goal of Lautaro
Martínez, that left us the truthcold with today' s tesa, but
also proud of a selection that againalluded to an entire country that united the
people, as long ago did nothappen. And so, that you should

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finally go with the high pride ofhaving generated the best, the best feeling
of play during the entire tournament thatcompeted with the current champion of the world
and that, then, finally,is excited with the World Cup of two
thousand twenty- six, that willbe two years and that shows that the
process that was being brought is consolidatedin this Copa America for the future.

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Luis Guillermo Ordonez, editor of Sportsof the Spectator, who, that is,
of this defeat, also thinking ofnot a tragic thing, but finally,
because he made a great America Cup. Hello Fernando, a greeting to
you, to all the spectator's friends, to our subscribers, to
those who read us in the printednewspaper, but also to all those who

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follow us through the website and throughour social networks. Man, I celebrate
the runner- up. He celebratedthe great month that made us pass to
the players of the Colombian team allthe good that happened and notice that I
think this is one of the fewelections in history that has played from you
to you to the three Greats,Uruguay, Brazil and Argentina, and I
think that is important. It isimportant that the footballers who are in the

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selection and those who are out ofit understand that Colombia is already a team
that can fight you to anyone andthat it has to go to these events,
to be the protagonist and to tryto win the tournaments. Obviously,
you can' t always. Itake that and not, for example,
with how tragic it was after theparty, such as some deaths, some

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incidents, some quarrels. Those arethe things you say today. We didn
' t win, because I imaginedwhere we would have won what would have
been then. I think that inthe sports part, quite satisfied with what
the selection did in the United States, I spoke, precisely Andrés Osorio,
coordinator of newsletter, of the spectatorof that meaning of what has been the

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victory of the tragic. But,because also a society that needed this is
encouraging. No, we' vetalked about it all these days, and
we' ve highlighted it. Andyes, the selection is, yes,
a set that has always managed tounite us a few times more, sometimes
less, but it is characterized alot by that. So it is characterized

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by that that politicians often take itas an instrument to relieve certain tensions and
certain polarizations. But, but itwas a team that did, that made
us believe again, that taught usto believe again, because that sometimes costs
us as a society. I'd believe it, and I agree.
I don' t think there's anything to reproach the team. You

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have to be proud, even forthose who hate dibu Martínez, because he
said so. He left that messageyesterday when he said that Colombia had made
a great championship, that he hadmade a great match and that, as
a country, we should be proudof them and beyond the drawing that anyone
else hears. I think that thiswould have to be the case, because

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not only did they play well,but they are also raising certain values that,
as a society, we need,like solidarity, because they are all
very committed. Seeing that yes oranother companion makes a mistake, ay one
that is behind backing and closing spaces. So I think it' s a
selection that characterizes us that identifies usand that, well, then, that

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enlightens us in the face of thefuture, as you said Sorry, yes,
it' s true. We havea very special guest, which is
Nicolás Samper But before we go onto see what to talk here with that
in Santiago quintero also of the levelof tusa to see the level of your
used soccer at which level we arenot high. I believe that today is
not a sports forum, but asporty sadness. Well, here we go.

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It was nice while it lasted,but well, I think it'
s time to also take stock,to see things also positive and not cut
the process that we say is leadingin this, Lorenzo, it' s
very important to continue in this.It' s just that there was a
lot of illusion, that there wasa lot of illusis, and people would
notice it yesterday when I took mydad home after the game, a store

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of people on the streets where theywere ready to celebrate. So I think
that, for example, here inBogotá, we collapsed with the curls made,
there were no people, there wasno way to go home. I
don' t know if Ticore,who is helping us behind cameras today,
is already there without Nicholas, isalready there, is already connected A has
not yet been connected, because thenwe can' t talk to me.
While we wait for Nicholas from thegame. I also wanted to talk about

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the Colombian Party maybe. He didn' t have his best match yesterday,
a game that cost him enough,especially in the attack he didn' t
find the tools to do what hewas doing. And I think that is
also because the reason why Colombia yesterdaycould not impose itself in the final.
Yes, Fernando, there are twothings. The first is that Colombia faced

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the defending champion and the world champion. Yes, beyond saying that Argentina'
s road had been simpler or thatcomeiol mistakenly armed Argentina to be a man
' s champion in the game.I think that in the Argentina party it
was a bit superior to Colombia.In fact, he had the clearest options,
beyond the fact that Colombia has alwaystried to go in search of the

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result. Now, if you evaluatethe tournament as a whole, Colombia probably
did a little more football stuff,but in what was yesterday, I think
Colombia felt especially in the last tenminutes of regulatory time and extension. He
felt the tiredness, the trajín ofhaving played two early endings against Brazil and

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Uruguay, of not having so muchreplacement and, above all, I think
he weighed much more on the stage, the fact of playing an ending to
Colombians than to Argentines, who arefinally more accustomed to it And I feel
that that in the end, theColombians weighed more than the fourth Cup of

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this era Escalonian. If we takeinto account the reginalistic that now to play
against Spain, champion of the Eurocopa, but he is two champion of America,
champion of the World Championship and championof that very final. We already
have Nicolás Samper, journalist of dispebut this also from RCN connected and rita
in silver trajectory before, when thiswas called a wheel, which now became

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a cycling podcast. Nicolás was ourfirst guest and well, we have him
back here in a sports arena.A real honor, Nicolás, how you
are and I wanted to start byasking you about an article that I read
to you a little while ago aboutthe tragedies of Colombia' s selection in
the Copa América and the almost againwe stayed with that almost what your feelings

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are like after the match and welcometo this space hello. How are you
doing and yes, well, I' m worried that I would have been
the first guest of a program thatalready changed its social reason. I got
a little closer to MOFA, butyes, to Colombia. Usually, it
was an article I made for changethat has always passed it. That thing

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that stays very on the edge.But, well, it' s not
a new story that happened to himin seventy- five, let' s
say, for the memorious. Thathappened to them in three games, which
is even more complicated, and yesterdayit escapes us. I think that for
very little the possibility of fighting theAmerica Cup, but according to what we
lived a year and a half ortwo years ago, it is different.

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The feeling. There is no suchdeep desolation, beyond losing, beyond the
fact that we do not have acivic day, as you are working,
beyond the fact that, for example, in my house there is ration of
water, beyond all that, forI think there is a different feeling.
I don' t know what youthink, but this Colombia of today is

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very different from the two years ago, where we don' t see a
single football response so that we canget excited about this selection. He brought
in some way illusion, He broughtthe possibility of dreaming, with the possibility
of being close, even in thoseI name. On the other hand,
I think the only finalist, wellit' s the seventy- five,

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and the rest of us are insemis. Well, we made it to
the final. We would have wantedto win the second America Cup in history.
But I do believe that this teamleaves another flavor in the mouth,
which is to feel that with thisteam you can keep fighting, you can
try to aspire to big things.Nicolás, we also wanted to ask you

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about the game how you saw it, how you saw Colombia facing a team
like Argentina, the champion of theworld and if we are at that competitive
level, I think that Po Catalanfor that physical effort that you made to

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have Argentina. Let' s rememberthat we were and Daniel Muñoz, who
had been one of the best playersof the Santiago Arias Cup, didn'
t do it wrong in my concept, beyond the fact that he had to
mark men who were of the highestdegree of difficulty and of the highest degree
of concentration, for me we werenot bad competitively alike. It cost Argentina

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a lot. Under other circumstances itwould have been different. It took Argentina
quite a while to get to ourgoal to hurt us. In fact,
the goal against is produced by theway it is curious, because football has
that and it is that now Iread earlier on Twitter that someone who put

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that leonel Escalon and should win theprize for the three best changes in history,
because he put the Chelsea and Martinezto walls, and the three participate
in the golf play in our Quinterocase, which started well, but it
went diluting a ball very close tothe area and that and that consecutive play

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ends in the loss of ball.After I think it' s carrascal.
I don' t remember. Itis that already the images, when one
loses one of the images are erasedand the recovery of the Argentine ball to
the one hundred and two minute.Colombia competed and competed throughout the Cup.
Let' s think he had toface Brazil too, he had to face

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Uruguay and he had to face Argentina. I mean, the road wasn'
t as simple as many imagined then. So I think it was a competitive
team that well stayed empty- handed, but that' s not why it
stays as with the absolute desolation,it' s lost, but there'
s equipment to think about other thingsthat I later want to go back to

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what Nicolás had just said about thechanges of Escaloni and those of Nestor Lorenzo.
But I wanted to ask Nicholas.Yesterday I read him a triune,
because we were seeing that the partyhad been delayed by the inconveniences that there
was in the entrance and you wrotein your account of x that equals the

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nine minutes, the cameras were goingto focus the president of CONMEBOL. I
wanted to ask you your opinion aboutthat Cup organization and if you are worried
about that for the World Cup orif you think that with these mistakes that
were made, because you are goingto correct the way for a tournament that
is going to be much more massivealready in two years, because I think

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it had no neighbor to me onthe twenty- two. Then there'
s a pupia on my side,but it seems absurd to me. That
' s not what the duche wasdoing, that kind of exhibition like Alejandro
Dominguez does, that while there werepeople who were in luck, there wasn
' t a tragedy yesterday of luck, while the people, the Colombians,

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were sneaking in and there were avalanchesand there were human rivers of people who
could have died crushed because we're talking about a very serious thing that
happened yesterday. Dominguez was over therein the field that gave me the impression
type goes with a cell phone recordingthe pitch of hard Rock Stadium to refute

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a little what Marcelo Bielsa had saidabout the state of Dominguez courts. Sometimes
it seems to have more football magazineshort and make- up. He seems
to like the business better because thatfield of the few that had natural grass
and that was not folding. Well, all that to which the organization was

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calamitous. They all complained, becauseit' s not just a complaint from
Bielsa, which was obviously the mostechoed. But Jesse march the Canadian technician,
complained, complained Jorge Fossati, complainedRicardo Gareca. It can' t
be possible. And it' sme and that seems dangerous to me in

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terms of the sport we know asfootball that is already mutating to me.
You have to re- baptize it, because it has another caris, an
intermediate of twenty- five minutes.All of that, all of that makes
part of things that call one's attention powerfully, because of the wrongly
posed, because of the wrong done, for going against like analog, that

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is, finding the logic for thebusiness and that usually the only thing that
causes nausea. And the organization bythe gringos was very bad on courts,
especially on courts is that the riskof a player being seriously injured good link
happened to him, he was notinjured on account of those courts. All

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that organizational problem of the Cup,which is gravismo thinking about the next World
Cup, because everyone says clearly thatthey will get out, they will take
lesson from this that happened today isthat the final, of course, is
the fault of the Colombians and theArgentines, well for a moment, but
it is that the gringos who thoughtit was attached to the final, Norway

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and Sweden, because one has toput together an operative also thinking about who
I am playing with. I don' t throw money in a World Cup
where they have to play us inEngland and Germany, on a field like
that and see how they' redoing. Yes, and I was saying
to you, even yesterday on theviewer' s pages, that they didn

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' t take into account two hobbiesas big as Argentina and Colombia were such
a massive event. And before givingway to memo also remind those who are
following this streaming transmission that they canask us questions and there we are reading
them to comment with you, Nicolas, it is clear that you and I
are much more tanned in defeats andin games like this, than these boys

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who are from Cathren. But,Brother, I want you to tell me
that this season left Argentina. Itseems to me that Messi will not reach
the World Cup of two thousand twenty- six, but I do see a
very consolidated team with a seven-year process and that even looks more solid
and more reliable when Leonel is nothere. Memo there was is that if

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you don' t believe up toCalvisi, it' s not that it
' s just genetic, that's to eat one defeats and defeats forever.
And if I see an Argentina thathas a very good team, notice
that when Messi leaves, Argentina seemsto flow much more in its game,

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it is not in the field forsixty- five minutes. Well, he
suffers from that injury. Already Messiwalks a little bit like in the golden
years, in those times where youare already thinking about mouse mouth and other
things, like retirement and that sortof thing, being an extraordinary player,
of course, because with that Iwant to take away merit. Of course,

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not Messi at all, but Argentinashowed that it is more than Messi
today, because Messi is no longerat such a high level as to be.
To the side of his companions.Obviously, it' s his badge,
it' s a symbol, it' s a very important guy for

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the good soul walking of his selection. But Argentina, with Escalonia, has
done a magnificent job. He's been around since the 2, 000
and he' s built a teamthat I think he' s making history.
It is a team that has madegreat history, understanding that it leads
to two consecutive America Cups and aWorld Cup. He' s making a

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great road. He has players stillold enough to keep thinking about big things.
No Argentina is a rival to thosewho say less badly Messi is no
longer at his top not, becauseit would be absolutely unattainable. Precisely one

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of our users, Nicolás Soler,of a narrative that has been installed a
lot and also wanted to be youropinion that it was a glass arranged for
Argentina, that the easiest way,And that is linked with a narrative that
came from is to taste two thousandtwenty two that the penalties that I blow
or penalty and for Argentina, butreally Argentina, as they were talking about

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it, is a solid team ofan interesting process and you also how you
see that relationship that right now.In addition, they talked about politics in
Comebol, how you see it,so, that is, the calendar.
Evidently it was much easier for themthan the rest of that. Yes,
that' s very clear. Ithink it' s the only tournament where

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that happens I don' t knowwhy I can lose to Ecuador beyond the
simple calendar. It' s justthat they might put a simple calendar on
it. But if you lose agame, Ecuador stood ready to eliminate them
to nothing, because you waste ona penalty in the regulatory time, because

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it also wastes on an option whenbefore going to the penalties but did not
happen. For the fortune of theArgentines in Qatar, they begin to lose,
that is to say, to beginby losing a World Cup. Billardo
said they were the hardest things inthe world. Because it' s your
turn to start rowing, rowing,rowing to the end. I don'

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t think that or I' mnot much beyond that it favors them well.
You can' t think so muchabout this conspiracy in favor of Argentina.
I think it' s good,not only that it' s like
maybe a log and palanque for aNicholas post. What a feeling Javier Rodríguez

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and Luis Díaz left him, andLuis would have been in his best form,
Colombia would have had that plus tohave been able to beat Argentina,
because it' s all very becauseit wasn' t great. How we

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put the importance was going to havedays. In this case, Diaz,
who came from a super tiring season, with Liverpool tired of a lot of
things, was the one that wesay in quotation marks, uncounted James I
loved because he' s a guywho didn' t forget to play football.
He' s a guy who's clear about that and he'

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s one of our best players inhistory about days. I understand it more
by the wear and tear of aseason in which Liverpool, moreover, played
quite difficult is that Liverpool. Whenyou start looking through the rearview mirror,
one that Liverpool played I don't know about sixty- sixty- fifty
- five games. He played totry to catch up with his rivals in

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the Premier League, also to playat his time in champions later in Europe
League and stayed out of it andtried to row and notice that the libropo
at some point had the hope ofhunting the City and the Ars where they
were fighting us up there. ButLison is injured, he' s been
injured by a people' s worldof alienating us. Well, and all
that pressure that took that team tocloup announces it' s his senior year.

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Also all that pressure that falls onthe players, on the team.
I think that wears out a lotand obviously, Luis Díaz is thus victim
of that wear and tear today.I don' t believe much in those
who crucify him today and who saythat what a fucking player, because those
same people who are saying that andthat you see them on Twitter, they
sang crying the goals Luis Díaz madeto Brazil. In this Lorenzo, what

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is coming for the selection Colombia andalso, if possible, also in this
scheme a falcao, a square,how it goes. I don' t
know if I' m falsifying,but I have to, but it'
s the first thing. There aremany sources that I believe are in our

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falcao today. John Córdoba showed thathe is an unmovable headline. I don
' t know what we were talkingabout right now. I don' t
know if the entrance to Santos erasesthe ideal. I would have preferred another
kind of player for square solutions whenone looks, because we also have solutions
for the right sector, areas beyondwhich it is being sacrificed. A guy

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who can play there without isterra canalso play in both bands. I think
there' s enough competition there tothink about those names, the one about
square falcating. Now yes, afterDecember he makes six hundred goals, well,
something has to be done, butobviously, it would not be title,

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because when they are doing in morecompetitive leagues and they are footballers,
because of great quality and that Lorenzoobviously believes them very much. Yes,
then, remembering that Colombia is playingagain for eliminators Ahorita in September Peru,
Argentina and thatéstor road. LorenzoNicolás also said that he has said that

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it is the great goal and Colombiaseems to be involved in that elite of
world football. I' m abeliever in that. Obviously, it would
have been very nice for the Cup. It' s impossible to deny it,
but they always tell me well,we change you two America Cups or

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those you get in Chile to goto those World Cups. I' ll
give you the ampherias. I careabout it like this today, whether it
' s an invitational festival or asane rhinestone doesn' t matter. I
' d rather go before I wina America Cup. It' s flat.
It' s happened to Chilean football. He grabbed that base veteran players

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and indeed, he won two AmericaCups. Because another of the questions that
is coming today from social networks isthat Chile beat Argentina twice the final and
with a Messi that was in itsgood splendour, and what happened to Chile.
Then nothing happened. He ran outof anything. Be unclean, which

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is where you really have to evaluatethe football of a selection in the World
Cups well in what happened to Italy, because in order not to go too
far, in the last Euro wonand after what Italy is doing today I
prefer to be in a World Cupbefore winning a Cup America. Of course,
I' m telling you all ofa sudden, and the road to

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the world is going well. NestorLorenzo armed a good team. We'
re third, we' re fightingupstairs. I' ve been betting that
on classifying a world beyond the morequotas. Pal Mundial is the place where
he has this collection and already forthe last nico questions to not bother you

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more you talked about a very interestingthing. No, besides, it'
s that replacement that the selection has. That is, if something Lorenzo'
s team proved is that the chipsthat enter enter well and there is a
process of certain bets, trusting inidols, in some referents, but a
team that is renewed has also beenon account, for example, that they

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look at the importance of those playersthat you sometimes believe and went to play
Belgium. Who knows what' sgonna happen to them. Well, that
' s why they moved to Bélica. They' re arming our defense today
in other clubs. Not because sometimeswe see with disdain some leagues. We
believe that because we are Colombians,we all have to play in Real Madrid
and what Muñoz, Cuesta and Lucumilearned in the heng of Belgium is what

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today has them succeeding in Cristal Palace, in Bologna and good continues in the
poll. But what I' mgoing to do is renovate. And in
that Lorenzo has been smart, becausehe makes ayu give the place to the
historicals, but he has also helpedcreate a space for the new players to
arrive, because there are also newplayers. Look at that right now.

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We were talking about the Chilean example, or we can talk about the Ruan
example if you want one of them. Today, if you see, Chile,
but the replacement as it is veryscarce is not so easy. Or
Paraguay, for example. Today Colombia, fortunately, before the defense. We
always know they were Dawn Yn andMina, but we already have good,

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long ago, but I say wealready have other alternatives that are costy Lukumi,
we have other players in other positions. We have to last for us
who have suffered because we have strikers, good guys, almost goals and we
have there several who are making ranks. We' ve got Córdoba, we
' ve got Sierra Durán here.Knowing there' s raw material. It

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is very good, because that,in some way, is being able to
take a step further than the otherswho are still looking for it, not
a last one. On this side, and it is therefore good, we
come from seeing Netherlands, England,England, Spain, Brazil, Uruguay,
and today we see jaguars boys oncourts with burnt grass. But well,

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start the league at once and we' ve got a millionaires falsified to have
national Pina endorse America. In otherwords, they are returning to their players
that years ago had stood out inthe selection and now, they decide to
return to Colombian football. How yousee this league and what you think of
Falcao and these players who are goingto be protagonists in the tournament. It

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can be traumatic, that metamorphosis,that change of vision. But hey,
but I do, it' sthe one who likes it. You know,
that is, I accept you withgreat pleasure on Friday evening at eight
o' clock, a jaguars eagles. I accept it with the greatest taste.

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I love that kind of bodrios.I know they' re bodrius,
but I love them. It's a little weird that I have,
but I think it' s goingto be an attractive tournament for people.
You don' t have to seefootballers who were never here for Falcao,
because at the time he was alittle bit, but he was never here

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and he was a guy who devotedhimself to Europe and the best striker in
the history of Colombian football. WellRoda arrives that somehow she gave us a
sample she' s playing very well. David Espina today is part of the
Colombia team, that is, heis a Colombian team player. It was

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the Valanta bars that I believed mostin that place where I was playing in
Belgium. We return to Belgium asnumber five and not as three. No,
I think it can be a veryattractive tournament. The truth beyond the
same, comparison will always kill us. If we said no, but it
' s just like that, we' re going to be able to see,

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for example, an Austria for theNetherlands, like the one we saw
in the Orga was a game ora Turkey Georgia look at the teams that
I' m saying is, like, jaguar guys. A Turkey to Georgia
was a game, yes, butit' s our thing. Finally,
that' s what there is andI think what' s cool. I
do, I' ve got alot to say on the list. I

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want to see Falcao, I wantto see Espina, I want to see
Campuzano. They' re gonna readyou Avalanta and I think a lot of
people have that same feeling. Notwhen people walk away in stadiums is because
sometimes there are missing figures. Well, there are figures to go see and
I, for I am, Iam a kind of that I have serious
problems and perfectly what gave them astrength equity at three o' clock in

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the afternoon on Wednesday I could reallylike to get out of the sadness that
was what I was telling him thatI think he didn' t listen to
us that since he doesn' tparty anymore, then clear at eight o
' clock on Friday there' sno problem to be feeling football. Whatever.

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Well, Nicholas, thanking you forthe time, space, and disposition.
I remember when he came to thispodcast video that was called Rueda and
said I hope to be the first, but not the last. Well,
we' ve already turned the wholething around. We returned to Nicholas and
a thousand thanks, Nicholas, forthis space. On the contrary, Mr

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Tredes, by the invitation, butthis one is not smart. Thank you
very much, Nicolás, because Onkvinis still here, we are already continuing
to raise the level of the TUSAor not, as you say yes,
I think it is always very importantto overcome their issues, give space to

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this and table. I support thecatharsis. We also talked about what is
coming for the selection of Colombia.We' re talking about that party against
Peru and Argentina. That duel inArgentina is going to be crucial. Yeah,
it' s played in Barranquillan.We don' t memos too,

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as you can see in that qualifierpath. Well located. Colombia third,
almost with the classification to safe orwing. Yeah, yeah, me.
I have no doubt that Colombia willbe in the World Cup. Now I
believe that we must aim to consolidatethis group much more, to consolidate the
idea to reach the World Cup andbe protagonists in the World Cup, and

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that it must be protagonists to advanceto the second round later in the hand
- to- hand phase, sinceone does not know which rival will touch
him, but to be able togive the fight to any rival and I
believe that this is what Colombia hasshown, that just as it has faced
you, Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina, as it has in fact done with

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rivals like Germany, as in Spain, to other world champions that it has
played hand to those who have won. And I think that' s the
great teaching that he has and thatleaves us this selection, which happens a
little bit or with the comparison thatit' s going to be with the
millionaire process, maybe millions that havewon so much in recent years, but
he regained prestige and respect and fightsmany more things. It' s easier

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to win a fight by playing severalendings than it did once every fifteen years
before. That' s what's going on with the selection. If
we get used to being semi-finalist, to being finalist, to getting
well- armed tournaments, because itwill be much easier to be protagonist in
them and the closeness to the hobbyalso that is important. We were talking
about the overrun of the most importantgames, Kevin, and if there'

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s a tusa, it' salso because we' re excited and because,
to see, I remember that.Yesterday we remembered with my family that
game of Brazil two thousand fourteen thatwe lost with Brazil. That was a
piece of cake for me. Butthen, remember this part of toy cerquita
and I think that' s theimportant thing you have there too is to
be aware that we can compete fromyou to those great powers and that,

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well, as Memo said, we' re also there fighting, we'
re not out there, like someyears ago that nothing at all and there
were no answers. And today,if there are already a little more answers,
there are a little more figures thatis no longer faked and James,
but good appeared more of a richarillosthat were of relationship. Then I think

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I think that at that moment youhave to see things better, like with
the glass filled half full, nothalf empty, but precise mind. Then
I think it' s to giveit forward. Not now, come to
the moment of collecting the fruits,see that Argentina was from the beginning of
the nineties to the two thousand twenty- one without having won anything in major

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category, because it won the timethat Olympic, won youth and sin man
So, if a country with thatsports tradition, with that sports culture to
football has here in Argentina had immediatelysimilar, for we and it is not
a consolation, but if the processesgive results, but all take time,
and I believe that the fact ofhaving resumed the process of two thousand twelve

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to two thousand eighteen and not havingstarted so in zeros, of having had
a coach who understood or understood theidiosyncracy of the Colombian footballer and, above
all, the fact that today allthose who love football are pulling for the
same side. That' s whyyou can tell from that self- evident
point of view. That certainly makesthe selection grow and have better results.

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If, moreover, andres that wealso talk about that the importance of renewal
and that those players that come tome it seems also important to me those
youth elections that come back, becauseI believe that they are that sustenance that
spoke mygo also that comes a tastefuldoor also a polite oscar selections that have
been protagonists in world youth. Well, they have to make way for that

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renewal to continue to take place constantlyand to me it seems key and that
we also highlighted that consolidation of thegroup, because many had criticized that they
even called James to the America Cup. But those leaders who are thus thirty
- three, thirty- five,thirty- seven years old are still key
to precisely opening the door and givingconfidence to those who come behind, to

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that tasteful door you mention or tothat polite oscar, because it is those
of experience who will teach these whocome behind not to make mistakes that they
could make if they did not havesomeone as referring to the side, as
a companion and also, then again, as an idol. I wanted to,
because then I forget. There's just one detail. There'

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s one detail that didn' tseem minor to me from yesterday' s
final. And that' s thesubject of the changes that Nicolás said and
that' s I think I'm not going to say that Nestor Lorenzo
doesn' t know how to makethe changes and I don' t know
his team because he knows how tomake his way. He' s proven
exactly. But in an end,precisely those details, which seem invisible,
are the ones that turn him around. There he staggered and put three guys

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like the chelseon walls and Lautaro whocontinued to give him, that is,
the proper functioning of his team.But besides, Lautaro has been the player
who comes in and marks, thatis, they are players who will get
cold, because they will not disconnector they will not disturb. Let'

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s say that operation, which didhappen a little bit with Colombia because it
was already a team that was tired. Argentina the same, but of course,
enters a carrascal who wants to bea figure and then sometimes exact revolution
is revolutionized and enters with a verydifferent rhythm to that which was being presented
in the quintero party. Yeah,I think he was doing well, that

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little hat and that egg he hadto pass on. The exact struggle didn
' t let go yesterday, butyes, that is to say, you
can see a little bit of thosedetails that are learned in the end and
that Escalonia showed, because it alreadyhad that knowledge, which I don'
t know about. Memos if Lorenzodid not, that is to say it
differs a little that Lorenzo showed thathe knows how to make the changes,

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because yesterday the team was not intonedand offensively that because he was lost,
there was much wear and tear.I think memos said so now also after
the nineties, the team no longerfound either physical or chemical response. The
late is so relative Andres, becauseit turns out that if Borja, the
one who took the high school,got it, we would be saying the
opposite, that the one who enteredmade the goal was the Colombian. If,

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for example, in the game againstUruguay, he put Jerry Mina missing
ten minutes because he played to closethe game that that is the same criticism
always closed the game. He's a genius Lorenzo, because he closed
the game. If Uruguay doesn't make the goal and tie us and
then lose no brother, because Icane that mine, then that' s
something too, too complex. Infact, we have assessed Aul that Colombia

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does not vary much in its functioningand when it makes those modifications, if
yesterday it was a physical subject,it was evident that they were all burst.
In fact, then, at thepress conference that gave it very late
Neso, Lorenzo explained that all thosewho were replaced in Colombia asked for change
because they had cramps, because theyhave some money and opinions. Jefferson,

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those are the things that I reallythink they have to evaluate. Obviously,
there are some aspects that can beimproved, there are errors that are being
made. Not everything in the processis wonderful and surely this defeat will serve
for those little things to be refined, improved and hopefully, we will have
an easier path from here to theWorld Cup And above all, in the

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World Cup we will be protagonists,because I agree with Nicolás Samper beyond today
being forty- eight teams. Thoseof us who have lived some worlds with
Colombia as different authors, we knowthat it is a lot when our team
plays the World Cup that when itcomes to seeing it for so many we

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talked about second of two thousand fourteen. If that illusion, I think this
thing that happened this month was alittle similar to the World Cup of two
thousand fourteen, two thousand fourteen.Everyone hugged, congratulated, everyone was kind,
greeted the neighbor. When it's never a normal t- shirt
season in local that' s whatthey do. It was really nice to

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see families on the street. Theywalked the floors with their shirts to the
dicks. Of course let' salso say after a little, the sadness
of people' s exception. Butthat nostalgia and that guavao soccer player,
I think, is also nice,because it makes us proud of a country
that has so many problems, butthat also has reasons for pride and union
in its athletes, its athletes.Well, let' s finish this show.

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They also want to say what isastro organization of the America Cup.
Not since the day one leaves muchto say of the Mass the fields,
that is to say lunar, themass heat fields is lunar. That first
press conference is calon once not thefield is a piece of crap and then
not coming back from football armament,already to rest. It' s not

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fifteen minutes and ninety- five exotime. No, that is all bad
day after day and yesterday the heatwave tremens as you have to re-
baptize football, this you see minutesfor a show of the intertime, not
the Super Bowl. Of course,not that, not good. I don
' t know if we have tore- baptize, but if we do,

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then we have to understand. Finally, that' s the dynamic.
It' s business. This isa business. It' s a business.
Finally, those who criticize it alsothat footballers, coaches live on it
and earn what they earn. Thanksto all that, then I believe that
in those criticisms we must also bea little bit equanimes and understand that we

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are finally going there, which isthe same thing that happens also with the
media and with all the dynamics thathas generated the sport as industry. Yes,
but I think it also matters somany voices that they oppose and say
things the way they are. Finally, it is clear, there are truths
that are said and are evident.They are in a complicated tournament and beyond
the time and in addition to thetruth, it was the issue of safety

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and organization and footballers. Yesterday Nicolássaid that a tragedy was avoided, because
that was really the case. Theimages look tremendous, the heat wave fainted
more already a tremendous organization and hadalready seen in the Uruguay party such a
tremendous lack of logistics in the middleof the fight. That was Tenas.
Well, already you also told methat it was important besides, to talk

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about the falco issue or tomorrow presentationbegins the League and Kevin, how you
see that illusion here in the espectorof we will be very aware of that
falcao presentation and the repercussions that millionaireswill have. And yes, we'
ll be pretty close. I thinkwe' re going to give a lot
of what to talk about here,so out there we' re looking forward

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to this issue of the falcado presentationthat well fulfilled the child' s dream,
fulfilled the dream of millions, alsoof millionaires' hinches and that also
comes to give him a leap ofquality of the league, as we were
also talking with these tokens of lifeSpina Alanta shame, that he also came

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back then it' s going tobe a very, very attractive league during
these six months and that well Ihope that people really go to the stadium,
enjoy through football, that families willlive again these Sunday afternoons and that
it really feels like that support thatwe' ve felt during this month,
like that union through sport. Andbesides, I am moving more to recommend

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than to say that the presentation offalcaonlas will be broadcast in the spectator and
also to say that it is alsoto be watching the wheel follows the Tour
de France and also the Olympic Games. We' re leaving. Next week
the espector will be present and alsoin Paris, two thousand twenty- four
the sports agenda, not for thesports platform nor even and we will be

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there also since the Olympic Games tosupport the national delegation that ninety places,
but less one for the dey deareol Se now cron eighty- nine.
Yes, sir Sport doesn' tstop We' ve got revenge. We
' re going to have other reasonsto celebrate, to get excited, to
get excited. Colombia aspires to achieveabout ten medals in disciplines such as weight

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lifting, athletics, boxing and thatfrom the 26th of July we invited them
all to follow our information in thenewspaper printed on the website, because we
are going to make a great coveringof the most important sporting event in the
world, beyond the fact that footballcongregates so much and sells so much,
without any doubt, the clean sportsspirit, the Olympic spirit. The games

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are in maximum event and bring togethertwo hundred athletes from two hundred and ten
countries, about ten thousand and thespectator, as always, will be present
in Paris, with the large delegationbesides that of Colombia in Paris will already
be us, as nothing and youwill thank for these days of Tusa Kevin.

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The same is not true of memo, and we will be back in
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