July 14, 2024 • 52 mins
La selección de Colombia juega el partido más importante de su historia, contra los campeones del mundo y en la búsqueda de su segundo título de la Copa América. Tras vencer a Uruguay, el último paso para alzar la copa es vencer a Argentina. Analizamos la final colombiana y argentina, además de la Eurocopa. Invitada, desde Londres, Laura Bernal.
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Friends, friends welcome to a newchapter of sports gallery, a space of
the spectator today excited because the Colombianteam plays the final of the Copa América
since seven o' clock Colombian hourwith transmission of the goal Caracol and will
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play in Miami, one of thosethat we can consider one of the most
important games in the history of thenational combo. Colombia arrives with enthusiasm,
confident of its good game, confidentof what it has done in the tournament
and will face a selection that hasall the signs it could have. They
are the current kings of America.They are the current champions of the Copa
América, if you press statistics.They are the current intercontinental champions, because
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they also won the ultimate against Italyand, of course, are the reigning
champions of the world. But Colombiaarrives with its weapons, has made a
great tournament and arrives as that challengerto the boxing ring that will face the
champion of the world. And thathas people excited. I' m not
saying like never because the selection hasaroused so many passions in this country.
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But as before, there was AndrésOsorio, Coordinator of News Letter of the
Spectator. So much did you seethat this game was discussed against Uruguay,
which spent the week in the semifinalsof the Copa América. How much you
saw that game being spoken, howmuch excitement it wakes up in people and
how you feel the finale. Well, good for everyone and good very excited
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about this game today. On thisside, more than optimism is like a
very strange certainty of knowing that Colombiawill win. I don' t know
why, but I haven' tbeen nervous throughout the America Cup. They
tell me how you are on UruguayParty Day. They were asking me this
nervousness and I said no, Colombiais going to pass to the philanthropy and
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it will win it. It's just, but good. But speaking
of Uruguay' s party, itwas pitifully all deviated from what happened in
the end. Not like we endedup talking more about the fist that Win
Núñez got from who started the gresca, who started the fight. So,
on one side of the other pitifully, I think it' s opaque a
little bit. But without a doubt, because we are a country that,
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as Joseph Casañas said, in avideo. We are a country of few
memories, footballers and we cling alot to those little ones that we then
have to go to this moment ofhistory, to live it and to be
witnesses of a step to the final, because I think it filled us all
with joy, even to the peoplewho are not so passionate about football.
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They also ended up eating their nailsand the next day talking about why Colombia
ended up under the eleven, underthe three sticks. Forgive me practically and
well, but in general, Ithink it is a joy that we all
have to know, enjoy, toknow how to live it. And well,
there' s nothing really to takeadvantage of this moment and make a
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lot of strength for us to holdthe cup to throw them, especially because
of this feeling that we compete andcompete with the best choices in the world
and the selection plays well and it' s right now everyone turning on the
radio, I the ra and turnon the exact TV. I think you
' re here We' re allburning for days. Yeah, yeah,
a little mane. It handles sucha clear figure throughout this process. That
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joy, that charisma, is enthusiasm. I think this also shines in the
selection, as well, in additionto the game of this era of Lorenzo.
I believe that we regained that joy, that happiness that has not been
lived for ten years in Brazil,two thousand fourteen, perhaps Russia, this
man so excited that he let usintroduce you. Yes, what a joke
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a journalist Pedro Ramírez was, yes, but he ran from a journalist in
this house. About what you weresaying about people' s emotion? Néstor
Lorenzo spoke after the match with Uruguayat a press conference. We want that
clip back before we go to ourvery special guest today, Laura Bernal,
from London. We will introduce her, but first let' s look at
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what Nestor Lorenzo said precisely about theexcitement of the people in the Copa América.
Not just thank you for the support. I don' t think this
would be possible without that energy wereceive every day. And, well,
I think there' s a groupthat gives everything and deserves this beyond all
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circumstances, and the whole party welive in is happy. We are happy
to put a smile on the Colombianpeople' s face and a joy.
We know what is happening and itgives us a lot of satisfaction. We
feel it is the best reward thisGroup can have. Well, as she
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told them, I gave them abrief introduction. Here our guest today the
exciting day game that Colombia plays againstArgentina. It is precisely Laura Bernal will
know her many of her times,also her sports today in England, in
London, Laura, thanks for acceptingthe viewer' s invitation and how she
made you in London. I alsowant to know how the selection is lived
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from the distance, from Europe,seeing it far away, because from all
the environment that we are here inthe country, but because also vibrating with
the selection from there hello afer whatI came Andreas and thanks for this invitation.
Fourteenth of July, a 14th ofJuly that can be marked in the
history of Colombian football, so itcomes later here we will spend the night.
Of course, the game is atone in the morning and I think
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that' s why it' sbeen a little difficult to live the way
you are living in Colombia, ofcourse, from this emotion, from sharing
with people, from seeing people,with shirts, from how you normally live
a Colombian selection game, with peopleon the streets. Here it has been
a bit far away, of course, because the hours of the games are
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one in the morning, they areone in the morning, two in the
morning. Then it was at home. But, of course, with the
same emotion joy and thinking and alreadyprojecting that we can play that very final,
either against England or Spain. Sofirst we' ll meet that champion
here at the Eurocup and then it' ll be that great game that you
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can really leave. I believe thatin the olympus of the gods this Colombian
team, not only Colombian football,but South American football, because it succeeds
in beating that current champion team,champion of the world, current champion of
the America Cup. So, ifyou come a very but very special day
for Colombia, of course, therival is that it is the rival is
of all the gallons. And thereis one interesting thing that this Copa América
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has reflected, the time you loveis outside, which is the proximity of
the people in the stadiums, asColombia has filled in the matches that the
María Amarilla speaks also, that speaksalso of that strong migration of the country
in the United States and others,but also Laura You told us that it
is seen with a certain distance bythe time of the matches, or I
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wanted to ask you also about thatproximity of the European public with the Copa
América. And a second question,let' s say, hanging that one,
how did you see our Lorenzo's team, how did you analyze
the evolution of the matches? Theteam arrived at a good time, showed
the hierarchy and today is in thefinal of the Copa América. There is
a phenomenon that is James Rodriguez andI believe that he has made, as
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an international figure who passed through Europe, of course, by Real Madrid,
by Bayer, has made it re- emerge. That reborn James becomes closer
here in Europe, because, ofcourse, everyone knows him by his trajectory,
by what he did here, andhe will find this figure shining again,
feeling that he is on a similarlevel compared to what he did here
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in those years in Real Madrid,in Bayern. I believe that here has
aroused a little concern about what ishappening to the Copa América thanks to James
Rodríguez and, of course, becausethe month class and the Argentine team.
But there has been a lot oftalk about Colombia here, in Europe,
in Spain, especially because of whatJames was in Real Madrid, the media,
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the programs have talked about Jame Rodríguezagain and that, of course,
makes it talk about the Copa Américaand what Colombia is doing right now.
I believe that this phenomenon, whichhas awakened James, has done just that
to talk about more than one AmericaCup, which is parallel, of course,
to the Euro Cup which takes allthe looks at itself right now in
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the media, in the sports fieldhere in Europe. But yes, that
phenomenon has caused that knowledge to wakeup a little bit, to learn what
is happening in the Copa América.And good. The second question, how
do I see the selection? Iam, of course, very respectful of
the history of the people who couldsee the selection of the nineties, which
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is the only selection at that timethat has ranked three consecutive World Cups,
that of Maturana. But I dodare say that this selection today, as
it is playing with energy, aseverything has flowed, we can say that
it is the selection that is bestplaying in the history of our country.
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Of course, we have to respectwhat we did ninety and u but there
' s your energy, it's, it' s not just football,
but what' s behind that,which is energy, which has united
the country to see what a pamiliais like. I think that' s
what we' ve seen and ifthe selection is playing very, very well.
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I remember. Laura, I wantedto ask you well, because first
I imagine it has touched you,like many of those people that we have
seen in videos one of the morning, in the room there in Europe.
How could I not yell at you, seeing that drown a little bit that
cry of emotion, but I wantedto ask you how you see Daniel Muñoz
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' s absence for the final wesee that he could be a player who
could mark Messi And we can thinkof it that way, precisely because of
the gallardiness, because of that couragethat Muñoz has, that show the court.
How do you think Santiago Arias woulddo and how do you think the
team is going to stop for today' s game is going to change a
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lot? The truth is Daniel Muñoz' s absence is very great. You
will feel a lot, because youalready know how Colombia plays, the style
that today has, the rhythm,the intensity. We' re all going
to attack and we' re alldefending again. And Daniel Muñoz is a
player with eighty- four thousand andfive hundred lungs. He' s really
a player who has a very butvery good physical state and we' ve
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seen him throughout the America Cup.What he meant for the attack phase,
of course, also the defensive,but the attack was a very important item.
The surprise that a player generated bythe right band, arriving almost as
a midpoint on some occasions, becauseit was always there to the line of
the attackers. The absence of himis going to weigh a lot, because
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Santiago Arias is a player of completelydifferent characteristics. He is a player much
more reserved, more in defensive phasethan in attack, and I believe that
there, for that sector, forthe right, he will weigh much what
he will be, since his absence. I think that Colombia, in that
case, will have to play muchmore on Mojica' s side, which
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is another player who has eighty-four zero lungs and Mojica, when this
doll was the most reserved, notcompletely reserved, but the one who had
the most composure as a defender andstayed in line with the two defenders,
and it was Muñoz who went andcame with the most freedom. I think
that right now the roles are goingto be reversed, it' s going
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to be Mógica, the one that' s going to be much more projected
and Santiago a little more guarded,of course, waiting for the Argentine attack.
That thing you were asking Kevin wasgoing to be a question. But
it seems important to me there becauseI remember in the Party against Brazil that
Lorenzo precisely said that iber marched.He had used it because he believed it
gave him a further impulse to theattack. If we don' t have
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Daniel Muñoz. In that depth yousee possible an option to have left or
you think Mojicas already took the position. Iver' s ke game wasn'
t as good against Brazil and Mojica, as you say, is going to
be key in this game. Yeah, I think Mojica is going to be
very key in this game and Idon' t think there' s a
change in that position. I thinkthe same payroll we already know from memory
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will come out. Obviously, withthe right lateral shift, Santiago Arias ran.
I think it' s gonna be, you' re gonna be in
that position. But from the restCuesta Sánchez, Mojica, Lerma richar Rio
if it is in optimal condition andalready up John Arias lucho James and John
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Córdoba. I don' t thinkthat one of mine is going to change.
The men of trust, i eNestor Lorenzo Claro and Laura talking about
this party as well, because onething I think goes in the physical,
but also in the mental, andI think that it is important to talk
about all these provocations, everything thathappened with Daniel Muñoz, as it is
in this field Argentina and that Colombiahas to stay. It' s a
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very good question, because Argentina andUruguay can look a lot like that claw,
on that pitch, which they have, of course, because of their
history, because of everything that thetop winners of the America Cups have achieved.
And I think Colombia can' tfall into that game, get out
of the game, fall into thoseprovocations. Already Daniel Muñoz is going to
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pay, because not to use abig ending for that reason and I think
that is already a lesson for allthe players and I think they will be
very focused on that. And inthis kind of endings is that whatever minimum
detail counts from the minute, secondone to the last, anything will influence
the result. So I think Colombia, the mental part of this game,
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is going to have to be.It' s just that it' s
not a hundred is two hundred percentconcentration. But I feel pro- players
today with what they have travelled inEurope, what they carry in selection,
what has united all this, thisgear of different generations, and I am
sorry that this mental set has greatlyimproved. I feel like for the first
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time I can say I don't think we get as much T-
shirt as sometimes happens not that youdon' t say beat us in easy
T- shirt. We' renot on that level yet. I feel
that today you can already balance alittle more. If we don' t
feel inferior in the previous one,we' re in the air in the
head. Yes, yes, yes, I had shown it with other elections.
No, of course, that's a team that beat him.
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Spanish Germany, are friendly matches,but, for example, Brazil also won
in the lime, in this AmericaCup, in this America Cup more has
had important matches. And Laura,besides, you said one thing that I
think is key and it' sthis team. Perhaps it is not a
team used to playing finals obviously,there is the third final of our story,
but it is a team with abaggage, an experience, an international
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tour that plays that much in thisfinal against a team that is really used
to playing finals. If we say, if we go individually, there are
also few players who have played finals. I believe that if we go to
memory James Rodriguez with Real Madrid,he has been in definitive instances. But
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from then on, if they areplayers who play in top leagues that today
are part of important teams on arrivalslike the Premier League, like Lerma,
Daniel Meñoz, of course, yes, maybe I wasn' t there.
It' s a fluminense. Noliberators, liberators, but from there to
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more. If you help me dothe math, I don' t think
you' re more, then,yeah, come on, there' s
not many, then if we're going to think about experience at the
end, then really don' t, because we have to appeal. It
is though not yes, but itis already to appeal to the experience of
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baggage in competitive leagues and that joinsall that in order to have the expected
result. But if we talk inthat item specifically if Argentina takes us a
lot and it' s the reality, I wanted to ask you Laura,
we talked about Colombia, but howyou saw Argentina. I don' t
know if you' ve been ableto see her and what analysis you'
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re doing of today' s rival. I believe that Argentina with respect to
the World Cup does not vary muchin names. There are very few retouchings
that Scalonia has in this selection,but what winning does is that there is
relaxation, that there is a bitof no excess, but of confidence.
And I feel that in this CopaAmérica, as Argentina has not had a
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great rival to the front, theone that could most upset him was Ecuador,
it has not yet been seen thatselection that I tell you UFFF is
on a common level the World Cupor that Messi is unstoppable. Not really,
but that has made the way forthe America Cup, which has been
very easy. It' s thetruth for Argentina. So, with respect
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to the rivals he already faced,it is superior, but we have not
seen that hand at real hand witha selection that he can be equated with
Colombia the great final. So Ithink they come very, very similar in
terms of gambling. They already begin, despite the other items we talked about,
experience, maturity in the end,etcetera. But as for the game,
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I think that even Colombia arrives witha much better game, as more
structure, more constant, so ithas been reflecting the eighteen, the twenty
- eight pardons games that you havenot lost hear and we wanted to take
advantage that you are there in Londonand how they lived these days also pardon
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of Eurocopa of England. In thefinal, how are the people there.
And besides, that I sane toLaura a question England that is me,
is that I wanted to say Englandthe team that was the favorite before the
Cup, which is like the greatdisappointment of the Cup, but that can
be the champion of the Euro Cup. As it is total not here,
first the English saw it in madness. Every game of English on the terra.
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You listen to the songs. Iwatched many games here at home and
from here you heard the song ofHey Yout loudly people singing on the streets
the truth that they live it ina very but very passionate way. But
now what was in England, playingsince the first game and the group phase
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totally disappointed. And that had theEnglish here very worried, already upset practically
wishing Softgate to leave his post,because the truth is that in England he
hasn' t played well. Well, we say, you haven' t
played well. But it is ina new finale, as it is paradoxical,
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but as it comes in terms ofthe expectations that were with regard to
the staff that has the players,as they also reached the level that reached
Sofield Copenhagen Belgham. But when wesay he was playing us well, it
' s that he wasn' ta team that has faced other choices either
So, weighty, only in thesemifinals against the Netherlands and we saw that
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really the team that dominated practically allthe important actions was the Netherlands, but
in the end he goes to England. But it was also a quiet group
base. Let' s just sayit wasn' t possible from the start
to demand maximum, but against thoseteams in group phase it didn' t
dominate either, it even had alot of trouble to win. So there
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was a lot of concern about whatwas going to happen, but in the
end there is a new Southgate finale. There, among criticisms, he has
made a very good campaign. Two- time Euro finalist semifinals in Russia.
He' s in good rooms.The most recent world was also in the
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Enlanations League semis. Let' ssay the results have been good, but
they need the title. They needthe most important thing and it' s
what here in England they always sayit' s coming home. But when,
by employment, he arrives for years, the example of the Cup and
it has been that he went fora selection that has always had very good
players. The now also talking aboutSpain, we have to talk about the
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wrong minja, about these new figures, about these new stars like that,
that duero between maybe that is thelamingJamal Jut Bellingham. To be really tremendous
about Yam is an abysmal thing.I think he' s still on this
road. He is going to bethe one who inherits from that throne of
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the best players of the time,already dating Messi, leaving Cristiano, because
he is barely going to turn seventeenin these days, he is already seventeen
years old, but he is veryyoung for what he has done and what
it has meant for Spain. Herethey tell you my animal, as well
as the resemblance of the last nameand if it is an animal, it
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is a monster to play football.Being so young, and I think that
being so young, it has notbeen hard for him to be in these
instances. He showed it to France, even with this provocation of rabidness,
and ends up without the figure.For Spain, at his age, then
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that hand man is going to bevery interesting. This Copa America forgives Eurocup
has been much better for the minthan for Bellingham. Bellingham really had,
since the Chilean and Chilean woman whosaved England, by assumptions, epic and
who has even marked here a keyt- shirt with the silhouette of the
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Chilean. Because, well, itwas super important. But if we are
going to see your entire Eurocup andits performance has also not been something outstanding
or something extraordinary. It has beenvery level with what has been England in
this Eurocup. So, for mewe come to Spain and it' s
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going to be a nice ending.It' s really gonna be a nice
ending. Yeah, I think thetwo finals are gonna be tremendous. Perfect
day for football and for anyone wholikes the sport, also because Wimbledon Tour
de France, that is, weare in crucial stages. Laura, then,
giving you, thanks for coming tooto see if we always try to
see if anyone throws forecasts Some peopledon' t like that mufa, that
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I don' t know what,but to see if you, if you
encourage yourself to give some forecast betweenthe two games. Well, yes,
of one, that' s withconviction nothing happens. We have to have
that confidence of Andres, who saidit from the beginning. No. I
' m calm. I don't know how he does it. I
' m pretty sure. We passedoriginal. In the end, I'
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m listening to our game. Yeah, game went by, flew by,
ball ball. From the America Cup, Colombia wins. I think a zero
closed Sulphur Parties. It' svery closed, very closed. And the
Euro Cup of Spain, I thinkwins in length two one another party suffered
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some matches. Well, Laura,thank you so much for being in this
space, in that spectator' ssports court, and well, until a
next time you go back here,through these screens and hear them in Colombia.
She said thank you, Laura,win. I didn' t put
the shirt on for corolla, butyou three are ready that I haven'
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t failed or failed with the jacket. Yeah, we actually won six clear
games. Okay. Okay, well, Laura, thank you very much.
Thanks to you for the invitation tothis house and, of course, when
you need super earrings here and nothingthat Colombia wins a hug so that you
have a lot of work the timeis up to date, Besides that I
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do not tell you about the newsletter that we sent this weekend for our
subscribers, with everything that has beenthe way of the Cup, with all
that has been the figures, specialdecision for subscribers that we took out this
weekend, very interesting. He wentout He went out, too He came
out very beautiful. It' stwelve pages and I' m no more,
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fifteen pages of the entire cover ofthis America Cup, even remembering the
one we won twenty- three yearsago, with an analysis of the twenty
- six players, of the twenty- five players in the selection. Also
the cover- up, interviews withplayers who were before, also in the
national combo and who analyzed how itarrived, how those led by Nestor Lorenzo
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arrived to Copa América. So yes, it was a delivery that we wanted
to organize and give to our subscribersso that they had a very good preamble
to what will be the game todayand I want to clarify something is that
it is not work of that becauseI know it can sound like that,
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but not really trust one when youare such a footballer, you think there
are a lot of elements that gatherfor a team to be champion. It
' s not just that they playwell, because Colombia plays well, but
what Laura Ahorita also talked about andKevin asked him, which was the theme
of the mentality, because they havemanaged to face selections that have much more
history, that have players with evenmore travel than ours and have played them
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from your cat and have won them. But there are also the coincidences that
we talked about and these menes comeout exactly. Then there is also a
mystique that seems to indicate that Colombiawas lined up to win this America Cup.
So, and that' s whyI said it if it' s
a strange tranquility, because it's not the work of it' s
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not to say how we' regoing to beat them to spare. We
' re not going to beat theexact world champion with any leftovers. But
yes, I think they have everythingthey need to win. Today the titan
talked to me that I came beforewe even had songs, that we had
champion songs. We have this champsong. There is one thing that is
important, that Laura said and ifthis is the best Colombian team history.
We are going to talk about itNéstor Lorenzo and I tell him Andrés and
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Togo of what is helping us behindcameras, if you can help us with
the second clip that we have preparedof Lorenzo, because he spoke precisely of
that time of patch the ball thatare the ones that mark the selection.
Laura said so, but let's discuss it and he also spoke a
little bit about that if it wasover or what happened to that generation of
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Pacho and Bolichu. As for theundefeated, we decided that we were match
- to- game and in termsof leaving behind, not pacho with Bolicho,
with all his group and his groupof players left a very important legacy,
which is the basis of everything thatwas coming after Colombian football. So
it' s not leaving behind orovercoming, this is adding. It is
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adding for Colombian football to grow andit is as high as possible. Andres
and I have to say those wordsto me of Lorenzo I love because in
those comparisons of which is the bestselection, which is the best player,
because you always enter into those comparisonsthat obviously many call them hateful. But
we are facing an important moment,today that is so famous to say the
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canonical moment, but it is animportant moment in the selection of Colombia and
Andrés and You. There we willalso prepare those of the images of the
other cities that we have played,that of seventy- five against Peru,
which was lost in those three gamesas before was the format and that of
two thousand one. Tonces, Andrésand You are going to shoot them and
You, how you see this asone of the important games of the selection.
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What happens is that every historical comparisonhas to be made with tweezers,
not because it will always be veryimprecise to make the same comparison as if
the elements of the present are thesame of the past. I mean,
I don' t think I knowif she' s the best ever.
One could say yes and one couldsay yes with total being you if you
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win the America Cup, because formany it may be no, because the
best selection was the one that gaveus a title. Then it should have
been the two thousand one in thenineties. Of course, it was a
selection. It was a selection thatbuilt a myth. This week I listened
to Juan Pablo Varski in his editorialand he emphasized very much that, in
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fact, it seemed to me.I found it very meritorious that he did
it, because it was a bitof the work we did in sports last
year, with a special led byFernando de A that we played where he
said that maybe that identity of Colombianfootball was reaffirmed or settled with that national
of maturana, which later became theselection of the ninety and ninety- four,
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that it is a selection or thatit was a selection that played very
well to football with this scattering,if you will, with this joy that
from our culture that they transferred herto the court with the tikitak, to
the famous Tiki, but also withthis, with this creativity of the pibe
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del tino, then I do notknow if it is better than that.
It is that again I find itvery very difficult to make those comparisons,
but I do believe that this selectionhas something that the one at the time
did not have for the present,for the conditions or the context. And
it has a different mentality, becausethe players of the 1990s were in Europe,
although they did not have the paththat they have now. You see
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Luis Días at Liverpool James, becausewe already know why the clubs he went
through then are the majority of theseplayers are in Europe, they are in
the top leagues as Laura mentioned,and I think that influences a lot for
a team to arrive with maturity andto have precisely that attitude to face an
end and to look from you tothose who have historically been superior and you
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who talked about that special that weplay. Also, and it seems important
to me that you highlight it isthe one that received this choice, that
is, we speak of salt seventy- five, that we are seeing the
images that many call it a lostgeneration, in that special. In the
documentary we made Willington Ortiz that formany is to consider the best player in
the history of Colombian football. Hewas telling us why we didn' t
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stay in history. Perhaps we didnot enter into those discussions, perhaps those
of the 1990s, even though itwas a historical generation. With groves there
will be a number of iconic players, because we never win anything. Then
the game is very important presenter,because you have to win which game you
remember how important of the selection.I would not speak that Uruguay two thousand
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fourteen, Chile three, the threeof Quilla, the one one, perhaps
with Germany, Brazil in Brazil,which which rotates the quarterfinals, for the
furthest we have come are those iconicparties, perhaps four to four with the
Soviet Union in our world clan andnone is a party that an ion of
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reaching a fixed one, perhaps thetwo thousand one, but the two thousand
one is not so much in theretina. But that, I find that
curious. You, you remember thisone. I remember, but there'
s a lot of people you haven' t had. But, well,
okay I was sorry to shit methis because I' m not that big
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either, but I' ve forgottenthat the bah two nursery boys. If
I was learning to talk there,I don' t remember. I remember
getting out in my dad' scar even more blue to see how they
poured water and flour in my face, but I also poured water, which
was what I had my hand.And then people on the streets completely out
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of saying by the first title theywon important. That also speaks a lot
about what has also been the selectionfor Colombia, because my first memory is
like this in Brazil two thousand fourteen. I remember, there' s a
big gap. Yeah, okay withthat. That' s the case,
and I' m already getting alot of attention about the fifteen andres,
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because today that title. We,in the preparation and all the articles that
we have taken out of the Cup, of the Copa América, talked for
me, spoke core for example,with Faán Vargas, and told him that
there is so much doubt about thattitle. And he tells me we don
' t hesitate out here, No, because outside they know how difficult it
is to win Outside, They knowhow difficult it is to get a title
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until we are, besides, seeingthe images of Colombia, Uruguay, how
difficult it is to get to thetitle outside the aps. Not here because
we' re not used to itand it' s downplaying that title,
but it' s our first Cup. Maybe it will be overshadowed because this
team played with the big rivals Andwhat I know about this Copa house is
the absence of Argentina, Argentina,Brazil with a team exactly yes, so
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I think that' s why thisgame is also the most important it can
be and I think it also influencesthe context a lot again. And it
' s two thousand one was atime when social networks weren' t on
the scene and I think that alsomakes it a little bit harder for people
to remember it at least the newgenerations, of course, older people will
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remember us and I think that's why it' s also important,
or it can become historic today's title, because I think it can
mark already I' m asserting it, but it' s that again me
but that it can become important,it can become important, I' m
not asserting that the title of todayis going to be important. That'
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s where I put the parole,because it' s going to give these
generations, ours, that great memoryof having won a title. And then
again, if we win it overto Argentina, then it will be much
more meritorious, so to speak.You just gave an excellent foot, because
we also want to talk about Argentina. A few minutes and before I andresito
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prepare the images of Argentina, thereis the fourth clip that we have prepared
of Lorenzo Lorenzo spoke of that feelingso strange that to feel being the Argentine
his first match against Argentina. So, if you and I, if we
can prepare Lorenzo' s clip tolisten to it, well, it'
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s good to have the support.Not from me, I never experienced it.
I don' t know how itfeels. I just have my close
circles that were already predicting and sayingwhat can happen because of the affection they
have for me and I thank them. And well, there are many Argentine
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people who are attached to us,to the campaign and to the entire technical
body more to the fight. Infact, there is a band in Madrid
that also fan for Colombia. Solet' s see. It' s
gonna be, it' s gonnabe really nice, really cute. I
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' m gonna be with jodors Iknow who I met in my career and
who I admire very well. Iwanted to ask you, too, why
consider such a difficult rival. Hand let' s see this week,
we saw a fact in the spectatorabout the number of games that he takes
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step in Argentina and the finals thathe has played. He has not lost
any sixty- two games, withoutlasting two of the rats and the finals
none. How do you see thatlevel of Argentina and Laura Ahorita told us
maybe in this Cup it hasn't been seen so much. But they
are the champions of the world.Yeah, I think it' s impressive
at Argentina level. I feel thatthey had as a debt to their own
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history before what happened at Copa Américain the final and, of course,
in the World Cup. I feellike they had a little spin in there
that they had to pull out.A long time ago, they had it
fenced in there with Germany. Theyalso missed that great figure Messi, who
lacked that world championship and who,well, many people like that were glad
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he was given it, but alwaysas if he had had a lot of
bumps since that title of eighty-six. Yes, it was like one
to meet. It wasn' tlike a rebirth for people, and that
' s why I think the Argentineis enjoying his moment right now and he
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doesn' t want to lose thateither. Yes, of course and it
seems to me cherlo that says thatyou, who are also a man of
Messi meanings, could be their lastgame of Copa América against Colombia, that
is, the game for them,obviously, continue to give followed by titles
and it will also love that wewere seeing it right. That is also
important for Argentines, because it is. One cannot say that for them it
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is going to be one more matchor one more final, because they have
already won a Cup America and becausethey have already won a World Cup.
Because, in fact, if werescue him or value him always or even
envy him. The Argentines are onceagain the subject of mentality. It doesn
' t matter if they already wonit, they' re going to want
to win it again and besides,they have, that is, they have
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a lot of ambition and they alsocollect all the elements so that a team
goes well, because, well,we screwed up with the dibu' s
maña but that even we were alittle victim of that maña. I don
' t like the word victims,but if we suffer from that, I
don' t know how to putit like that strategy. Or a psychological
dibu game. And so again,having Messi face Di Maria, the Autos,
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the Maca Lister, for that cancertainly persuade him even a little.
I think it' s amazing.JuliánÁlvarez is a guy who is how
many years old, twenty- one, twenty- two, doesn' t
earn all the gas game, so, since you still have fifteen years of
career and you have to keep feedingthe ambition of what you already won that
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many don' t even get one, but this Iman already won it.
All that enviable. I was sayingit' s one thing. I saw
the image of the dibu after yousaid it and I said Colombia has to
avoid the prisoners so much the coastis curious, because we also have an
or art for Camilo does not takeit so much into account and he both
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in Santa Fe, in Galeón haspassed, but in Mexico he has been
figure stopping the title. I remember, but I think it was the first
title in history that Atlas won.He won it because Camilo Vargas got it.
I think two or three pelinegro twoI liked then, but I don
' t upload it. But Iwish I didn' t. But you
were talking, and I think that' s important because we' re going
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to move on to the last blocksof this chapter. You spoke with the
work of an absence that is goingto be fundamental. Daniel Muñoz, possibly
also Richardus is watching it until today' s last game. But in that,
Lorenzo, after the game, thereis a clip that we also want
to point out that it was thethird one we had prepared about what Nestor
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Lorenzo said, after the game withUruguay, the expulsion of Anel Muñoz,
how he felt and apart from there, he would paste a clip of how
the wardrobe took it, that alsothat unit, the Andresito family. Yeah,
we can get that clip out.And as for Danie, he'
s a little bit more down,because he' s a lion and he
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' s betrayed again by emotionality.And that' s it. I gave
him a hug and told him ifmbor, we wouldn' t be here.
So up, up on the forehead, Draga Nani brag Onani, neither
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nor Na Dani Dani, there wereshort stockings missing in that rumba, let
me say that I am also acastro that I not only envy those of
Colombia, by how they play,but by how they dance, and if
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it is a lion, dance asthey obviously put him bravo and with rean
castroids and the celebration after the family, Yes, a family, that union
around Daniel Núñez, that the muddyone was tremendous, that is, it
has to be said of that expulsionwas tremendous. It will be a downfall
for me sensitive by lauranos to say, a key pass to the attack,
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because in defense, maybe areas respond. But attacking there we lose depth and
the same in a possible absence ofricharridos, although one also sees him dancing
there in that yes they are sweepingwhy so much will think that absence and
how much really is the injury alsothat we are seeing the images of Richard
Rus but Andrés, how much welose there with Daniel Muñoz that is the
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decrease confirmed. I said it onthe day of the Uruguayan Party. I
am more concerned about his absence againstArgentina than today, because Daniel Muñoz,
to see me, seemed very interestingas he showed that, because the complex,
that is the human condition, notbecause his virtue also becomes his defect.
Again, he' s a guywith a lot of courage. He
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' s a guy who jumped thepro at twenty- one years old,
but before he was from street football, from national athletic amateur barrister football.
And I don' t think that' s minor. I mean, that
' s what I' m tellingyou, because that says a lot precisely
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about that gallantness that' s shownon the exact court of your spirit.
So he' s a guy whosweats his shirt, because he used to
preach that principle when he was abarrister. So it' s funny and
I think that this was going tobe a great lack for a game like
today, because precisely, as yousaid, a team like Argentina, because
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it is a team very similar tothat of Uruguay, which also demands a
lot, a lot of concentration inthe physical, a lot of strength,
a lot of mental power and itis a game of a lot of pink
and Daniel Muñoz was key to that. So that' s where I say
I worry and another warrior than RichardRios, but we do see him there
with gems the image, with thehat or he was already there. I
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was happy that I so much sawthat image when it was injured and it
went back in and threw in therea little bit of bilardo, the or
dancing as much as we have aregold freg is. That' s not
so cool, but good to seethe networks of such artists also wins already
The last block before playing a littlebit of the euro that I wanted to
talk to them is also that theorganization of the America Cup could not be
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worse the issue of the fight.At the end of the meeting the Uruguayans
also said in their version that theversions were also found, that this made
one, that who provoked whom,that families. Yes, but the amazing
thing about Uruguay' s players isthat there was no police, no organization,
there was supposedly no protection for families, and there was nothing. And
that adds up in the middle ofthat fight. The fact that the players
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go up to fight with the Colombianfans contributes to those great criticisms that they
see that there is about the CopaAmérica, the climate, the empty tribunes,
not in these already definitive matches,but yes along according to the playing
fields and worries in front of theWorld Cup of two thousand twenty- six,
the United States is going to beone of the headquarters with cana of
Mexico, but many polka dots aroundthe organization of the Copa América. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, I think there' s a lot of things to
improve, and I remember what Escaloniawas saying, the first game, like
they had so many months and theycome to put, for example, in
this case, the court, thelawn three days before, two days before,
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and they can have tremendous stadiums likethe Mercedes, like hard Rock.
But well and I think they arealso sinning in this as well we also
have to keep in mind that thatforce by football is not the same,
the same exact thing and was nottheir Cup also an exact one that says
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that they unfortunately had to catch theCopa America to learn from mistakes. It
shouldn' t have been the AmericaCup. But I believe that this thing
that happened already prepares them so thatin the World Cup the same thing does
not happen either with the court,with the logistics, with the security,
with the grandstands and with all thoseproblems. And what you were saying,
Colombia' s historic triumph may havebeen overshadowed by that, the violence always
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ended up opacing all the celebrations inthis country. And it was no exception.
In this case. We had thattoday in the game against Argentina,
which I imagine will be another hotgame on the court and in the stands,
because, as an Argentine, Ido not imagine that Bravo game.
That was difficult, the last stretchof this court, of this sporting forum,
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the espector. We wanted to leaveit also for the euro, which
will be a very interesting party todaytoo. We obviously played it with Laura,
but I did want very briefly totell you both about this England,
Spain. Right now, I'm going to cross them over, because
you asked England and you asked Spanish, so I ask you about England,
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how did you see this cup theodds against a Spain that really if it
' s by game, I thinkit comes. As a great favorite in
Spain, it comes by game,but it is that England say, I
do not say it myself, butthat made it a lot of people and
it is not like the game.There are people who rate it as boring
and with the so- called exactbrava, but get the result and I
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think this is a game that youwin. It is because of the result
and being decisive in the last fewminutes that I have given as England says,
that it reminds me a little bitalso of what was happening with Real
Madrid, not that it was like, but they never win exact. That
' s the difference, exactly.But it' s how they' re
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aha and it' s Chester CityFans, of course, of course,
yes, and England must be killed. Yeah, well, you' ll
have to see Spain. That's how you see it surprising. We
came from a decade ago, perhapswhen Spain was higher up and today I
saw that Jesus played the other day. I didn' t say uy is
the only one who came in thoseeight. Yes, it is. It
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is that Spain, of that Barcelona, of Guardiola, almost that for the
most part, because there was alsoReal Madrid. I think it left a
very high rod, but I certainlybelieve that Spain is the team that played
best in this Eurocup. I couldn' t really learn the name, the
mime, the minja. It's time to learn and I' m
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from Barsa, because one thing too. I mean, I think it'
s amazing that this guy, 16years old, does what he' s
doing. I, at sixteen Igraduated from school, I wasn' t
goaling in a Eurocopa record semifinal andI would like to say yes, I
mean, I want to go backto England quickly to say that you have
a lot of players to play sobadly is that maybe that' s what
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frustrates, that' s what Laurawas saying. And so, you have
Bellingham, you have Harry Kine,you have Fouden and you play ugly,
you play boring. But anyway,if I don' t know, this
Southgate man makes them get the resultsand they' re at the end.
But, but I think that finalwave in a row, that you have
to say exactly and John on jolwould really want England to win, but
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I think Spain has a lot morearguments. We' re going to see
if Harry Kane gets pri I knewthe curse, not the curse, the
curse or they follow, and it' s like that question that you have
to play ugly to get results,which is what' s important. But
see in Spain a generation and hasplayed very nice. I like to compare
the processes and with Colombia I seemmorata. It' s the sheep of
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Spain. It' s time tobe the one who doesn' t make
goals, it' s not theone who makes goals, but it'
s the one who makes all theinvisible games for things to come out.
But I follow that maybe I likethat morita example because it' s how
maybe it' s thought that hispanis a team full of young people.
I' ve done several times herein this space, which is a team
of young people you know. Mixthat experience very well. And the same
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thing happens in Colombia. We're not so young anymore. We'
re not so young anymore. Well, already here, arriving at the end
of the last stage of this sportsforum forecast for today is or not it
will win Colombia also a zero Igive the same result of Laura and I
want to arrive a small thing.And I' m not talking about this
anymore. I promise and it's not about being a fan manual.
But please don' t sing theole at zero zero or zero. That
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' s not the scene, youdon' t have to do that.
And that' s also where wesaid that mentality needs to be improved.
I was telling Tomás Blanco, whopassed by this house and has his score
on live goals. And that isto be convinced that we can be great.
And it' s time to convinceyourself of that. And I think
because of the swelling, that culturealso begins to close. With that and
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since you quote to the great Tomythat you write a text that brilliant week,
that it seems to me that themost to enjoy is that we are
competing and that we are there tolose or we are going to play against
the champions of the world. Imean, the challenge, it' s
really hard. I think Colombia canwin, but we' re there,
well, but we' re playingwith the champions of the road. We
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project ourselves to the World Cup andwe' re there. Let' s
enjoy that we' re there,that we' re going to play the
world finals calmly, calmly, compas, with Easter and just as much your
prognosis that you put on your dick. I snuck in today like with my
foot. It' s a two, one in favor of Colombia. Great
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foot that favors Colombia. I thinkyou' ve got the James and another
one in fight the whole shot.Yeah, quintet, no, fight,
no, no, yeah, butI say quintet can come in and it
' s already like an exact bomband yours which is and not I do,
because I have them back in mydick and I don' t want
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them copied. Well already country closingtoday for the football platform sport, plus
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this final. And well, youguys who saw us today, thank you
so much. And let him winin Colombia Let' s go until next time.
Friends, friends welcome to a newchapter of sports gallery, a space of
the spectator today excited because the Colombianteam plays the final of the Copa América
since seven o' clock Colombian hourwith transmission of the goal Caracol and will
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play in Miami, one of thosethat we can consider one of the most
important games in the history of thenational combo. Colombia arrives with enthusiasm,
confident of its good game, confidentof what it has done in the tournament
and will face a selection that hasall the signs it could have. They
are the current kings of America.They are the current champions of the Copa
América, if you press statistics.They are the current intercontinental champions, because
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they also won the ultimate against Italyand, of course, are the reigning
champions of the world. But Colombiaarrives with its weapons, has made a
great tournament and arrives as that challengerto the boxing ring that will face the
champion of the world. And thathas people excited. I' m not
saying like never because the selection hasaroused so many passions in this country.
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But as before, there was AndrésOsorio, Coordinator of News Letter of the
Spectator. So much did you seethat this game was discussed against Uruguay,
which spent the week in the semifinalsof the Copa América. How much you
saw that game being spoken, howmuch excitement it wakes up in people and
how you feel the finale. Well, good for everyone and good very excited
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about this game today. On thisside, more than optimism is like a
very strange certainty of knowing that Colombiawill win. I don' t know
why, but I haven' tbeen nervous throughout the America Cup. They
tell me how you are on UruguayParty Day. They were asking me this
nervousness and I said no, Colombiais going to pass to the philanthropy and
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it will win it. It's just, but good. But speaking
of Uruguay' s party, itwas pitifully all deviated from what happened in
the end. Not like we endedup talking more about the fist that Win
Núñez got from who started the gresca, who started the fight. So,
on one side of the other pitifully, I think it' s opaque a
little bit. But without a doubt, because we are a country that,
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as Joseph Casañas said, in avideo. We are a country of few
memories, footballers and we cling alot to those little ones that we then
have to go to this moment ofhistory, to live it and to be
witnesses of a step to the final, because I think it filled us all
with joy, even to the peoplewho are not so passionate about football.
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They also ended up eating their nailsand the next day talking about why Colombia
ended up under the eleven, underthe three sticks. Forgive me practically and
well, but in general, Ithink it is a joy that we all
have to know, enjoy, toknow how to live it. And well,
there' s nothing really to takeadvantage of this moment and make a
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lot of strength for us to holdthe cup to throw them, especially because
of this feeling that we compete andcompete with the best choices in the world
and the selection plays well and it' s right now everyone turning on the
radio, I the ra and turnon the exact TV. I think you
' re here We' re allburning for days. Yeah, yeah,
a little mane. It handles sucha clear figure throughout this process. That
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joy, that charisma, is enthusiasm. I think this also shines in the
selection, as well, in additionto the game of this era of Lorenzo.
I believe that we regained that joy, that happiness that has not been
lived for ten years in Brazil,two thousand fourteen, perhaps Russia, this
man so excited that he let usintroduce you. Yes, what a joke
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a journalist Pedro Ramírez was, yes, but he ran from a journalist in
this house. About what you weresaying about people' s emotion? Néstor
Lorenzo spoke after the match with Uruguayat a press conference. We want that
clip back before we go to ourvery special guest today, Laura Bernal,
from London. We will introduce her, but first let' s look at
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what Nestor Lorenzo said precisely about theexcitement of the people in the Copa América.
Not just thank you for the support. I don' t think this
would be possible without that energy wereceive every day. And, well,
I think there' s a groupthat gives everything and deserves this beyond all
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circumstances, and the whole party welive in is happy. We are happy
to put a smile on the Colombianpeople' s face and a joy.
We know what is happening and itgives us a lot of satisfaction. We
feel it is the best reward thisGroup can have. Well, as she
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told them, I gave them abrief introduction. Here our guest today the
exciting day game that Colombia plays againstArgentina. It is precisely Laura Bernal will
know her many of her times,also her sports today in England, in
London, Laura, thanks for acceptingthe viewer' s invitation and how she
made you in London. I alsowant to know how the selection is lived
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from the distance, from Europe,seeing it far away, because from all
the environment that we are here inthe country, but because also vibrating with
the selection from there hello afer whatI came Andreas and thanks for this invitation.
Fourteenth of July, a 14th ofJuly that can be marked in the
history of Colombian football, so itcomes later here we will spend the night.
Of course, the game is atone in the morning and I think
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that' s why it' sbeen a little difficult to live the way
you are living in Colombia, ofcourse, from this emotion, from sharing
with people, from seeing people,with shirts, from how you normally live
a Colombian selection game, with peopleon the streets. Here it has been
a bit far away, of course, because the hours of the games are
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one in the morning, they areone in the morning, two in the
morning. Then it was at home. But, of course, with the
same emotion joy and thinking and alreadyprojecting that we can play that very final,
either against England or Spain. Sofirst we' ll meet that champion
here at the Eurocup and then it' ll be that great game that you
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can really leave. I believe thatin the olympus of the gods this Colombian
team, not only Colombian football,but South American football, because it succeeds
in beating that current champion team,champion of the world, current champion of
the America Cup. So, ifyou come a very but very special day
for Colombia, of course, therival is that it is the rival is
of all the gallons. And thereis one interesting thing that this Copa América
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has reflected, the time you loveis outside, which is the proximity of
the people in the stadiums, asColombia has filled in the matches that the
María Amarilla speaks also, that speaksalso of that strong migration of the country
in the United States and others,but also Laura You told us that it
is seen with a certain distance bythe time of the matches, or I
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wanted to ask you also about thatproximity of the European public with the Copa
América. And a second question,let' s say, hanging that one,
how did you see our Lorenzo's team, how did you analyze
the evolution of the matches? Theteam arrived at a good time, showed
the hierarchy and today is in thefinal of the Copa América. There is
a phenomenon that is James Rodriguez andI believe that he has made, as
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an international figure who passed through Europe, of course, by Real Madrid,
by Bayer, has made it re- emerge. That reborn James becomes closer
here in Europe, because, ofcourse, everyone knows him by his trajectory,
by what he did here, andhe will find this figure shining again,
feeling that he is on a similarlevel compared to what he did here
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in those years in Real Madrid,in Bayern. I believe that here has
aroused a little concern about what ishappening to the Copa América thanks to James
Rodríguez and, of course, becausethe month class and the Argentine team.
But there has been a lot oftalk about Colombia here, in Europe,
in Spain, especially because of whatJames was in Real Madrid, the media,
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the programs have talked about Jame Rodríguezagain and that, of course,
makes it talk about the Copa Américaand what Colombia is doing right now.
I believe that this phenomenon, whichhas awakened James, has done just that
to talk about more than one AmericaCup, which is parallel, of course,
to the Euro Cup which takes allthe looks at itself right now in
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the media, in the sports fieldhere in Europe. But yes, that
phenomenon has caused that knowledge to wakeup a little bit, to learn what
is happening in the Copa América.And good. The second question, how
do I see the selection? Iam, of course, very respectful of
the history of the people who couldsee the selection of the nineties, which
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is the only selection at that timethat has ranked three consecutive World Cups,
that of Maturana. But I dodare say that this selection today, as
it is playing with energy, aseverything has flowed, we can say that
it is the selection that is bestplaying in the history of our country.
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Of course, we have to respectwhat we did ninety and u but there
' s your energy, it's, it' s not just football,
but what' s behind that,which is energy, which has united
the country to see what a pamiliais like. I think that' s
what we' ve seen and ifthe selection is playing very, very well.
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I remember. Laura, I wantedto ask you well, because first
I imagine it has touched you,like many of those people that we have
seen in videos one of the morning, in the room there in Europe.
How could I not yell at you, seeing that drown a little bit that
cry of emotion, but I wantedto ask you how you see Daniel Muñoz
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' s absence for the final wesee that he could be a player who
could mark Messi And we can thinkof it that way, precisely because of
the gallardiness, because of that couragethat Muñoz has, that show the court.
How do you think Santiago Arias woulddo and how do you think the
team is going to stop for today' s game is going to change a
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lot? The truth is Daniel Muñoz' s absence is very great. You
will feel a lot, because youalready know how Colombia plays, the style
that today has, the rhythm,the intensity. We' re all going
to attack and we' re alldefending again. And Daniel Muñoz is a
player with eighty- four thousand andfive hundred lungs. He' s really
a player who has a very butvery good physical state and we' ve
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seen him throughout the America Cup.What he meant for the attack phase,
of course, also the defensive,but the attack was a very important item.
The surprise that a player generated bythe right band, arriving almost as
a midpoint on some occasions, becauseit was always there to the line of
the attackers. The absence of himis going to weigh a lot, because
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Santiago Arias is a player of completelydifferent characteristics. He is a player much
more reserved, more in defensive phasethan in attack, and I believe that
there, for that sector, forthe right, he will weigh much what
he will be, since his absence. I think that Colombia, in that
case, will have to play muchmore on Mojica' s side, which
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is another player who has eighty-four zero lungs and Mojica, when this
doll was the most reserved, notcompletely reserved, but the one who had
the most composure as a defender andstayed in line with the two defenders,
and it was Muñoz who went andcame with the most freedom. I think
that right now the roles are goingto be reversed, it' s going
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to be Mógica, the one that' s going to be much more projected
and Santiago a little more guarded,of course, waiting for the Argentine attack.
That thing you were asking Kevin wasgoing to be a question. But
it seems important to me there becauseI remember in the Party against Brazil that
Lorenzo precisely said that iber marched.He had used it because he believed it
gave him a further impulse to theattack. If we don' t have
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Daniel Muñoz. In that depth yousee possible an option to have left or
you think Mojicas already took the position. Iver' s ke game wasn'
t as good against Brazil and Mojica, as you say, is going to
be key in this game. Yeah, I think Mojica is going to be
very key in this game and Idon' t think there' s a
change in that position. I thinkthe same payroll we already know from memory
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will come out. Obviously, withthe right lateral shift, Santiago Arias ran.
I think it' s gonna be, you' re gonna be in
that position. But from the restCuesta Sánchez, Mojica, Lerma richar Rio
if it is in optimal condition andalready up John Arias lucho James and John
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Córdoba. I don' t thinkthat one of mine is going to change.
The men of trust, i eNestor Lorenzo Claro and Laura talking about
this party as well, because onething I think goes in the physical,
but also in the mental, andI think that it is important to talk
about all these provocations, everything thathappened with Daniel Muñoz, as it is
in this field Argentina and that Colombiahas to stay. It' s a
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very good question, because Argentina andUruguay can look a lot like that claw,
on that pitch, which they have, of course, because of their
history, because of everything that thetop winners of the America Cups have achieved.
And I think Colombia can' tfall into that game, get out
of the game, fall into thoseprovocations. Already Daniel Muñoz is going to
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pay, because not to use abig ending for that reason and I think
that is already a lesson for allthe players and I think they will be
very focused on that. And inthis kind of endings is that whatever minimum
detail counts from the minute, secondone to the last, anything will influence
the result. So I think Colombia, the mental part of this game,
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is going to have to be.It' s just that it' s
not a hundred is two hundred percentconcentration. But I feel pro- players
today with what they have travelled inEurope, what they carry in selection,
what has united all this, thisgear of different generations, and I am
sorry that this mental set has greatlyimproved. I feel like for the first
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time I can say I don't think we get as much T-
shirt as sometimes happens not that youdon' t say beat us in easy
T- shirt. We' renot on that level yet. I feel
that today you can already balance alittle more. If we don' t
feel inferior in the previous one,we' re in the air in the
head. Yes, yes, yes, I had shown it with other elections.
No, of course, that's a team that beat him.
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Spanish Germany, are friendly matches,but, for example, Brazil also won
in the lime, in this AmericaCup, in this America Cup more has
had important matches. And Laura,besides, you said one thing that I
think is key and it' sthis team. Perhaps it is not a
team used to playing finals obviously,there is the third final of our story,
but it is a team with abaggage, an experience, an international
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tour that plays that much in thisfinal against a team that is really used
to playing finals. If we say, if we go individually, there are
also few players who have played finals. I believe that if we go to
memory James Rodriguez with Real Madrid,he has been in definitive instances. But
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from then on, if they areplayers who play in top leagues that today
are part of important teams on arrivalslike the Premier League, like Lerma,
Daniel Meñoz, of course, yes, maybe I wasn' t there.
It' s a fluminense. Noliberators, liberators, but from there to
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more. If you help me dothe math, I don' t think
you' re more, then,yeah, come on, there' s
not many, then if we're going to think about experience at the
end, then really don' t, because we have to appeal. It
is though not yes, but itis already to appeal to the experience of
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baggage in competitive leagues and that joinsall that in order to have the expected
result. But if we talk inthat item specifically if Argentina takes us a
lot and it' s the reality, I wanted to ask you Laura,
we talked about Colombia, but howyou saw Argentina. I don' t
know if you' ve been ableto see her and what analysis you'
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re doing of today' s rival. I believe that Argentina with respect to
the World Cup does not vary muchin names. There are very few retouchings
that Scalonia has in this selection,but what winning does is that there is
relaxation, that there is a bitof no excess, but of confidence.
And I feel that in this CopaAmérica, as Argentina has not had a
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great rival to the front, theone that could most upset him was Ecuador,
it has not yet been seen thatselection that I tell you UFFF is
on a common level the World Cupor that Messi is unstoppable. Not really,
but that has made the way forthe America Cup, which has been
very easy. It' s thetruth for Argentina. So, with respect
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to the rivals he already faced,it is superior, but we have not
seen that hand at real hand witha selection that he can be equated with
Colombia the great final. So Ithink they come very, very similar in
terms of gambling. They already begin, despite the other items we talked about,
experience, maturity in the end,etcetera. But as for the game,
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I think that even Colombia arrives witha much better game, as more
structure, more constant, so ithas been reflecting the eighteen, the twenty
- eight pardons games that you havenot lost hear and we wanted to take
advantage that you are there in Londonand how they lived these days also pardon
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of Eurocopa of England. In thefinal, how are the people there.
And besides, that I sane toLaura a question England that is me,
is that I wanted to say Englandthe team that was the favorite before the
Cup, which is like the greatdisappointment of the Cup, but that can
be the champion of the Euro Cup. As it is total not here,
first the English saw it in madness. Every game of English on the terra.
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You listen to the songs. Iwatched many games here at home and
from here you heard the song ofHey Yout loudly people singing on the streets
the truth that they live it ina very but very passionate way. But
now what was in England, playingsince the first game and the group phase
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totally disappointed. And that had theEnglish here very worried, already upset practically
wishing Softgate to leave his post,because the truth is that in England he
hasn' t played well. Well, we say, you haven' t
played well. But it is ina new finale, as it is paradoxical,
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but as it comes in terms ofthe expectations that were with regard to
the staff that has the players,as they also reached the level that reached
Sofield Copenhagen Belgham. But when wesay he was playing us well, it
' s that he wasn' ta team that has faced other choices either
So, weighty, only in thesemifinals against the Netherlands and we saw that
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really the team that dominated practically allthe important actions was the Netherlands, but
in the end he goes to England. But it was also a quiet group
base. Let' s just sayit wasn' t possible from the start
to demand maximum, but against thoseteams in group phase it didn' t
dominate either, it even had alot of trouble to win. So there
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was a lot of concern about whatwas going to happen, but in the
end there is a new Southgate finale. There, among criticisms, he has
made a very good campaign. Two- time Euro finalist semifinals in Russia.
He' s in good rooms.The most recent world was also in the
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Enlanations League semis. Let' ssay the results have been good, but
they need the title. They needthe most important thing and it' s
what here in England they always sayit' s coming home. But when,
by employment, he arrives for years, the example of the Cup and
it has been that he went fora selection that has always had very good
players. The now also talking aboutSpain, we have to talk about the
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wrong minja, about these new figures, about these new stars like that,
that duero between maybe that is thelamingJamal Jut Bellingham. To be really tremendous
about Yam is an abysmal thing.I think he' s still on this
road. He is going to bethe one who inherits from that throne of
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the best players of the time,already dating Messi, leaving Cristiano, because
he is barely going to turn seventeenin these days, he is already seventeen
years old, but he is veryyoung for what he has done and what
it has meant for Spain. Herethey tell you my animal, as well
as the resemblance of the last nameand if it is an animal, it
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is a monster to play football.Being so young, and I think that
being so young, it has notbeen hard for him to be in these
instances. He showed it to France, even with this provocation of rabidness,
and ends up without the figure.For Spain, at his age, then
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that hand man is going to bevery interesting. This Copa America forgives Eurocup
has been much better for the minthan for Bellingham. Bellingham really had,
since the Chilean and Chilean woman whosaved England, by assumptions, epic and
who has even marked here a keyt- shirt with the silhouette of the
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Chilean. Because, well, itwas super important. But if we are
going to see your entire Eurocup andits performance has also not been something outstanding
or something extraordinary. It has beenvery level with what has been England in
this Eurocup. So, for mewe come to Spain and it' s
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going to be a nice ending.It' s really gonna be a nice
ending. Yeah, I think thetwo finals are gonna be tremendous. Perfect
day for football and for anyone wholikes the sport, also because Wimbledon Tour
de France, that is, weare in crucial stages. Laura, then,
giving you, thanks for coming tooto see if we always try to
see if anyone throws forecasts Some peopledon' t like that mufa, that
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I don' t know what,but to see if you, if you
encourage yourself to give some forecast betweenthe two games. Well, yes,
of one, that' s withconviction nothing happens. We have to have
that confidence of Andres, who saidit from the beginning. No. I
' m calm. I don't know how he does it. I
' m pretty sure. We passedoriginal. In the end, I'
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m listening to our game. Yeah, game went by, flew by,
ball ball. From the America Cup, Colombia wins. I think a zero
closed Sulphur Parties. It' svery closed, very closed. And the
Euro Cup of Spain, I thinkwins in length two one another party suffered
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some matches. Well, Laura,thank you so much for being in this
space, in that spectator' ssports court, and well, until a
next time you go back here,through these screens and hear them in Colombia.
She said thank you, Laura,win. I didn' t put
the shirt on for corolla, butyou three are ready that I haven'
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t failed or failed with the jacket. Yeah, we actually won six clear
games. Okay. Okay, well, Laura, thank you very much.
Thanks to you for the invitation tothis house and, of course, when
you need super earrings here and nothingthat Colombia wins a hug so that you
have a lot of work the timeis up to date, Besides that I
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do not tell you about the newsletter that we sent this weekend for our
subscribers, with everything that has beenthe way of the Cup, with all
that has been the figures, specialdecision for subscribers that we took out this
weekend, very interesting. He wentout He went out, too He came
out very beautiful. It' stwelve pages and I' m no more,
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fifteen pages of the entire cover ofthis America Cup, even remembering the
one we won twenty- three yearsago, with an analysis of the twenty
- six players, of the twenty- five players in the selection. Also
the cover- up, interviews withplayers who were before, also in the
national combo and who analyzed how itarrived, how those led by Nestor Lorenzo
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arrived to Copa América. So yes, it was a delivery that we wanted
to organize and give to our subscribersso that they had a very good preamble
to what will be the game todayand I want to clarify something is that
it is not work of that becauseI know it can sound like that,
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but not really trust one when youare such a footballer, you think there
are a lot of elements that gatherfor a team to be champion. It
' s not just that they playwell, because Colombia plays well, but
what Laura Ahorita also talked about andKevin asked him, which was the theme
of the mentality, because they havemanaged to face selections that have much more
history, that have players with evenmore travel than ours and have played them
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from your cat and have won them. But there are also the coincidences that
we talked about and these menes comeout exactly. Then there is also a
mystique that seems to indicate that Colombiawas lined up to win this America Cup.
So, and that' s whyI said it if it' s
a strange tranquility, because it's not the work of it' s
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not to say how we' regoing to beat them to spare. We
' re not going to beat theexact world champion with any leftovers. But
yes, I think they have everythingthey need to win. Today the titan
talked to me that I came beforewe even had songs, that we had
champion songs. We have this champsong. There is one thing that is
important, that Laura said and ifthis is the best Colombian team history.
We are going to talk about itNéstor Lorenzo and I tell him Andrés and
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Togo of what is helping us behindcameras, if you can help us with
the second clip that we have preparedof Lorenzo, because he spoke precisely of
that time of patch the ball thatare the ones that mark the selection.
Laura said so, but let's discuss it and he also spoke a
little bit about that if it wasover or what happened to that generation of
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Pacho and Bolichu. As for theundefeated, we decided that we were match
- to- game and in termsof leaving behind, not pacho with Bolicho,
with all his group and his groupof players left a very important legacy,
which is the basis of everything thatwas coming after Colombian football. So
it' s not leaving behind orovercoming, this is adding. It is
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adding for Colombian football to grow andit is as high as possible. Andres
and I have to say those wordsto me of Lorenzo I love because in
those comparisons of which is the bestselection, which is the best player,
because you always enter into those comparisonsthat obviously many call them hateful. But
we are facing an important moment,today that is so famous to say the
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canonical moment, but it is animportant moment in the selection of Colombia and
Andrés and You. There we willalso prepare those of the images of the
other cities that we have played,that of seventy- five against Peru,
which was lost in those three gamesas before was the format and that of
two thousand one. Tonces, Andrésand You are going to shoot them and
You, how you see this asone of the important games of the selection.
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What happens is that every historical comparisonhas to be made with tweezers,
not because it will always be veryimprecise to make the same comparison as if
the elements of the present are thesame of the past. I mean,
I don' t think I knowif she' s the best ever.
One could say yes and one couldsay yes with total being you if you
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win the America Cup, because formany it may be no, because the
best selection was the one that gaveus a title. Then it should have
been the two thousand one in thenineties. Of course, it was a
selection. It was a selection thatbuilt a myth. This week I listened
to Juan Pablo Varski in his editorialand he emphasized very much that, in
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fact, it seemed to me.I found it very meritorious that he did
it, because it was a bitof the work we did in sports last
year, with a special led byFernando de A that we played where he
said that maybe that identity of Colombianfootball was reaffirmed or settled with that national
of maturana, which later became theselection of the ninety and ninety- four,
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that it is a selection or thatit was a selection that played very
well to football with this scattering,if you will, with this joy that
from our culture that they transferred herto the court with the tikitak, to
the famous Tiki, but also withthis, with this creativity of the pibe
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del tino, then I do notknow if it is better than that.
It is that again I find itvery very difficult to make those comparisons,
but I do believe that this selectionhas something that the one at the time
did not have for the present,for the conditions or the context. And
it has a different mentality, becausethe players of the 1990s were in Europe,
although they did not have the paththat they have now. You see
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Luis Días at Liverpool James, becausewe already know why the clubs he went
through then are the majority of theseplayers are in Europe, they are in
the top leagues as Laura mentioned,and I think that influences a lot for
a team to arrive with maturity andto have precisely that attitude to face an
end and to look from you tothose who have historically been superior and you
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who talked about that special that weplay. Also, and it seems important
to me that you highlight it isthe one that received this choice, that
is, we speak of salt seventy- five, that we are seeing the
images that many call it a lostgeneration, in that special. In the
documentary we made Willington Ortiz that formany is to consider the best player in
the history of Colombian football. Hewas telling us why we didn' t
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stay in history. Perhaps we didnot enter into those discussions, perhaps those
of the 1990s, even though itwas a historical generation. With groves there
will be a number of iconic players, because we never win anything. Then
the game is very important presenter,because you have to win which game you
remember how important of the selection.I would not speak that Uruguay two thousand
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fourteen, Chile three, the threeof Quilla, the one one, perhaps
with Germany, Brazil in Brazil,which which rotates the quarterfinals, for the
furthest we have come are those iconicparties, perhaps four to four with the
Soviet Union in our world clan andnone is a party that an ion of
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reaching a fixed one, perhaps thetwo thousand one, but the two thousand
one is not so much in theretina. But that, I find that
curious. You, you remember thisone. I remember, but there'
s a lot of people you haven' t had. But, well,
okay I was sorry to shit methis because I' m not that big
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either, but I' ve forgottenthat the bah two nursery boys. If
I was learning to talk there,I don' t remember. I remember
getting out in my dad' scar even more blue to see how they
poured water and flour in my face, but I also poured water, which
was what I had my hand.And then people on the streets completely out
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of saying by the first title theywon important. That also speaks a lot
about what has also been the selectionfor Colombia, because my first memory is
like this in Brazil two thousand fourteen. I remember, there' s a
big gap. Yeah, okay withthat. That' s the case,
and I' m already getting alot of attention about the fifteen andres,
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because today that title. We,in the preparation and all the articles that
we have taken out of the Cup, of the Copa América, talked for
me, spoke core for example,with Faán Vargas, and told him that
there is so much doubt about thattitle. And he tells me we don
' t hesitate out here, No, because outside they know how difficult it
is to win Outside, They knowhow difficult it is to get a title
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until we are, besides, seeingthe images of Colombia, Uruguay, how
difficult it is to get to thetitle outside the aps. Not here because
we' re not used to itand it' s downplaying that title,
but it' s our first Cup. Maybe it will be overshadowed because this
team played with the big rivals Andwhat I know about this Copa house is
the absence of Argentina, Argentina,Brazil with a team exactly yes, so
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I think that' s why thisgame is also the most important it can
be and I think it also influencesthe context a lot again. And it
' s two thousand one was atime when social networks weren' t on
the scene and I think that alsomakes it a little bit harder for people
to remember it at least the newgenerations, of course, older people will
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remember us and I think that's why it' s also important,
or it can become historic today's title, because I think it can
mark already I' m asserting it, but it' s that again me
but that it can become important,it can become important, I' m
not asserting that the title of todayis going to be important. That'
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s where I put the parole,because it' s going to give these
generations, ours, that great memoryof having won a title. And then
again, if we win it overto Argentina, then it will be much
more meritorious, so to speak.You just gave an excellent foot, because
we also want to talk about Argentina. A few minutes and before I andresito
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prepare the images of Argentina, thereis the fourth clip that we have prepared
of Lorenzo Lorenzo spoke of that feelingso strange that to feel being the Argentine
his first match against Argentina. So, if you and I, if we
can prepare Lorenzo' s clip tolisten to it, well, it'
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s good to have the support.Not from me, I never experienced it.
I don' t know how itfeels. I just have my close
circles that were already predicting and sayingwhat can happen because of the affection they
have for me and I thank them. And well, there are many Argentine
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people who are attached to us,to the campaign and to the entire technical
body more to the fight. Infact, there is a band in Madrid
that also fan for Colombia. Solet' s see. It' s
gonna be, it' s gonnabe really nice, really cute. I
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' m gonna be with jodors Iknow who I met in my career and
who I admire very well. Iwanted to ask you, too, why
consider such a difficult rival. Hand let' s see this week,
we saw a fact in the spectatorabout the number of games that he takes
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step in Argentina and the finals thathe has played. He has not lost
any sixty- two games, withoutlasting two of the rats and the finals
none. How do you see thatlevel of Argentina and Laura Ahorita told us
maybe in this Cup it hasn't been seen so much. But they
are the champions of the world.Yeah, I think it' s impressive
at Argentina level. I feel thatthey had as a debt to their own
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history before what happened at Copa Américain the final and, of course,
in the World Cup. I feellike they had a little spin in there
that they had to pull out.A long time ago, they had it
fenced in there with Germany. Theyalso missed that great figure Messi, who
lacked that world championship and who,well, many people like that were glad
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he was given it, but alwaysas if he had had a lot of
bumps since that title of eighty-six. Yes, it was like one
to meet. It wasn' tlike a rebirth for people, and that
' s why I think the Argentineis enjoying his moment right now and he
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doesn' t want to lose thateither. Yes, of course and it
seems to me cherlo that says thatyou, who are also a man of
Messi meanings, could be their lastgame of Copa América against Colombia, that
is, the game for them,obviously, continue to give followed by titles
and it will also love that wewere seeing it right. That is also
important for Argentines, because it is. One cannot say that for them it
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is going to be one more matchor one more final, because they have
already won a Cup America and becausethey have already won a World Cup.
Because, in fact, if werescue him or value him always or even
envy him. The Argentines are onceagain the subject of mentality. It doesn
' t matter if they already wonit, they' re going to want
to win it again and besides,they have, that is, they have
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a lot of ambition and they alsocollect all the elements so that a team
goes well, because, well,we screwed up with the dibu' s
maña but that even we were alittle victim of that maña. I don
' t like the word victims,but if we suffer from that, I
don' t know how to putit like that strategy. Or a psychological
dibu game. And so again,having Messi face Di Maria, the Autos,
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the Maca Lister, for that cancertainly persuade him even a little.
I think it' s amazing.JuliánÁlvarez is a guy who is how
many years old, twenty- one, twenty- two, doesn' t
earn all the gas game, so, since you still have fifteen years of
career and you have to keep feedingthe ambition of what you already won that
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many don' t even get one, but this Iman already won it.
All that enviable. I was sayingit' s one thing. I saw
the image of the dibu after yousaid it and I said Colombia has to
avoid the prisoners so much the coastis curious, because we also have an
or art for Camilo does not takeit so much into account and he both
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in Santa Fe, in Galeón haspassed, but in Mexico he has been
figure stopping the title. I remember, but I think it was the first
title in history that Atlas won.He won it because Camilo Vargas got it.
I think two or three pelinegro twoI liked then, but I don
' t upload it. But Iwish I didn' t. But you
were talking, and I think that' s important because we' re going
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to move on to the last blocksof this chapter. You spoke with the
work of an absence that is goingto be fundamental. Daniel Muñoz, possibly
also Richardus is watching it until today' s last game. But in that,
Lorenzo, after the game, thereis a clip that we also want
to point out that it was thethird one we had prepared about what Nestor
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Lorenzo said, after the game withUruguay, the expulsion of Anel Muñoz,
how he felt and apart from there, he would paste a clip of how
the wardrobe took it, that alsothat unit, the Andresito family. Yeah,
we can get that clip out.And as for Danie, he'
s a little bit more down,because he' s a lion and he
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' s betrayed again by emotionality.And that' s it. I gave
him a hug and told him ifmbor, we wouldn' t be here.
So up, up on the forehead, Draga Nani brag Onani, neither
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nor Na Dani Dani, there wereshort stockings missing in that rumba, let
me say that I am also acastro that I not only envy those of
Colombia, by how they play,but by how they dance, and if
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it is a lion, dance asthey obviously put him bravo and with rean
castroids and the celebration after the family, Yes, a family, that union
around Daniel Núñez, that the muddyone was tremendous, that is, it
has to be said of that expulsionwas tremendous. It will be a downfall
for me sensitive by lauranos to say, a key pass to the attack,
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because in defense, maybe areas respond. But attacking there we lose depth and
the same in a possible absence ofricharridos, although one also sees him dancing
there in that yes they are sweepingwhy so much will think that absence and
how much really is the injury alsothat we are seeing the images of Richard
Rus but Andrés, how much welose there with Daniel Muñoz that is the
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decrease confirmed. I said it onthe day of the Uruguayan Party. I
am more concerned about his absence againstArgentina than today, because Daniel Muñoz,
to see me, seemed very interestingas he showed that, because the complex,
that is the human condition, notbecause his virtue also becomes his defect.
Again, he' s a guywith a lot of courage. He
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' s a guy who jumped thepro at twenty- one years old,
but before he was from street football, from national athletic amateur barrister football.
And I don' t think that' s minor. I mean, that
' s what I' m tellingyou, because that says a lot precisely
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about that gallantness that' s shownon the exact court of your spirit.
So he' s a guy whosweats his shirt, because he used to
preach that principle when he was abarrister. So it' s funny and
I think that this was going tobe a great lack for a game like
today, because precisely, as yousaid, a team like Argentina, because
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it is a team very similar tothat of Uruguay, which also demands a
lot, a lot of concentration inthe physical, a lot of strength,
a lot of mental power and itis a game of a lot of pink
and Daniel Muñoz was key to that. So that' s where I say
I worry and another warrior than RichardRios, but we do see him there
with gems the image, with thehat or he was already there. I
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was happy that I so much sawthat image when it was injured and it
went back in and threw in therea little bit of bilardo, the or
dancing as much as we have aregold freg is. That' s not
so cool, but good to seethe networks of such artists also wins already
The last block before playing a littlebit of the euro that I wanted to
talk to them is also that theorganization of the America Cup could not be
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worse the issue of the fight.At the end of the meeting the Uruguayans
also said in their version that theversions were also found, that this made
one, that who provoked whom,that families. Yes, but the amazing
thing about Uruguay' s players isthat there was no police, no organization,
there was supposedly no protection for families, and there was nothing. And
that adds up in the middle ofthat fight. The fact that the players
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go up to fight with the Colombianfans contributes to those great criticisms that they
see that there is about the CopaAmérica, the climate, the empty tribunes,
not in these already definitive matches,but yes along according to the playing
fields and worries in front of theWorld Cup of two thousand twenty- six,
the United States is going to beone of the headquarters with cana of
Mexico, but many polka dots aroundthe organization of the Copa América. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, I think there' s a lot of things to
improve, and I remember what Escaloniawas saying, the first game, like
they had so many months and theycome to put, for example, in
this case, the court, thelawn three days before, two days before,
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and they can have tremendous stadiums likethe Mercedes, like hard Rock.
But well and I think they arealso sinning in this as well we also
have to keep in mind that thatforce by football is not the same,
the same exact thing and was nottheir Cup also an exact one that says
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that they unfortunately had to catch theCopa America to learn from mistakes. It
shouldn' t have been the AmericaCup. But I believe that this thing
that happened already prepares them so thatin the World Cup the same thing does
not happen either with the court,with the logistics, with the security,
with the grandstands and with all thoseproblems. And what you were saying,
Colombia' s historic triumph may havebeen overshadowed by that, the violence always
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ended up opacing all the celebrations inthis country. And it was no exception.
In this case. We had thattoday in the game against Argentina,
which I imagine will be another hotgame on the court and in the stands,
because, as an Argentine, Ido not imagine that Bravo game.
That was difficult, the last stretchof this court, of this sporting forum,
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the espector. We wanted to leaveit also for the euro, which
will be a very interesting party todaytoo. We obviously played it with Laura,
but I did want very briefly totell you both about this England,
Spain. Right now, I'm going to cross them over, because
you asked England and you asked Spanish, so I ask you about England,
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how did you see this cup theodds against a Spain that really if it
' s by game, I thinkit comes. As a great favorite in
Spain, it comes by game,but it is that England say, I
do not say it myself, butthat made it a lot of people and
it is not like the game.There are people who rate it as boring
and with the so- called exactbrava, but get the result and I
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think this is a game that youwin. It is because of the result
and being decisive in the last fewminutes that I have given as England says,
that it reminds me a little bitalso of what was happening with Real
Madrid, not that it was like, but they never win exact. That
' s the difference, exactly.But it' s how they' re
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aha and it' s Chester CityFans, of course, of course,
yes, and England must be killed. Yeah, well, you' ll
have to see Spain. That's how you see it surprising. We
came from a decade ago, perhapswhen Spain was higher up and today I
saw that Jesus played the other day. I didn' t say uy is
the only one who came in thoseeight. Yes, it is. It
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is that Spain, of that Barcelona, of Guardiola, almost that for the
most part, because there was alsoReal Madrid. I think it left a
very high rod, but I certainlybelieve that Spain is the team that played
best in this Eurocup. I couldn' t really learn the name, the
mime, the minja. It's time to learn and I' m
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from Barsa, because one thing too. I mean, I think it'
s amazing that this guy, 16years old, does what he' s
doing. I, at sixteen Igraduated from school, I wasn' t
goaling in a Eurocopa record semifinal andI would like to say yes, I
mean, I want to go backto England quickly to say that you have
a lot of players to play sobadly is that maybe that' s what
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frustrates, that' s what Laurawas saying. And so, you have
Bellingham, you have Harry Kine,you have Fouden and you play ugly,
you play boring. But anyway,if I don' t know, this
Southgate man makes them get the resultsand they' re at the end.
But, but I think that finalwave in a row, that you have
to say exactly and John on jolwould really want England to win, but
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I think Spain has a lot morearguments. We' re going to see
if Harry Kane gets pri I knewthe curse, not the curse, the
curse or they follow, and it' s like that question that you have
to play ugly to get results,which is what' s important. But
see in Spain a generation and hasplayed very nice. I like to compare
the processes and with Colombia I seemmorata. It' s the sheep of
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Spain. It' s time tobe the one who doesn' t make
goals, it' s not theone who makes goals, but it'
s the one who makes all theinvisible games for things to come out.
But I follow that maybe I likethat morita example because it' s how
maybe it' s thought that hispanis a team full of young people.
I' ve done several times herein this space, which is a team
of young people you know. Mixthat experience very well. And the same
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thing happens in Colombia. We're not so young anymore. We'
re not so young anymore. Well, already here, arriving at the end
of the last stage of this sportsforum forecast for today is or not it
will win Colombia also a zero Igive the same result of Laura and I
want to arrive a small thing.And I' m not talking about this
anymore. I promise and it's not about being a fan manual.
But please don' t sing theole at zero zero or zero. That
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' s not the scene, youdon' t have to do that.
And that' s also where wesaid that mentality needs to be improved.
I was telling Tomás Blanco, whopassed by this house and has his score
on live goals. And that isto be convinced that we can be great.
And it' s time to convinceyourself of that. And I think
because of the swelling, that culturealso begins to close. With that and
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since you quote to the great Tomythat you write a text that brilliant week,
that it seems to me that themost to enjoy is that we are
competing and that we are there tolose or we are going to play against
the champions of the world. Imean, the challenge, it' s
really hard. I think Colombia canwin, but we' re there,
well, but we' re playingwith the champions of the road. We
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project ourselves to the World Cup andwe' re there. Let' s
enjoy that we' re there,that we' re going to play the
world finals calmly, calmly, compas, with Easter and just as much your
prognosis that you put on your dick. I snuck in today like with my
foot. It' s a two, one in favor of Colombia. Great
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foot that favors Colombia. I thinkyou' ve got the James and another
one in fight the whole shot.Yeah, quintet, no, fight,
no, no, yeah, butI say quintet can come in and it
' s already like an exact bomband yours which is and not I do,
because I have them back in mydick and I don' t want
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them copied. Well already country closingtoday for the football platform sport, plus
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pages of the viewer on the websitedo not forget to follow us We will
be here for a new space ofsports tribune tomorrow analyzing everything that happens with
this final. And well, youguys who saw us today, thank you
so much. And let him winin Colombia Let' s go until next time.
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