June 14, 2024 • 42 mins
Tras el 1-0 en la ida, Santa Fe buscará remontar este sábado la final de la Liga BetPlay contra Bucaramanga. Charla y análisis en vivo con Sebastián Heredia y Juan José "Jotas" Mantilla sobre la definición del fútbol colombiano. Además, empieza la Eurocopa: ¿cuáles son los favoritos?
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Already the one with the one zeroagainst auditor Colder frednestroza in that first game,
but uguito, I imagine that alreadywith the ballot in the pocket to
go to encourage the change that willbe teased, not like it was in
the majority of the semester, becauseit was sold very fast eight days ago,
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more or less. By this timethe whole of the stadium was sold,
the campin, for logically there wasa remnant for the bucaraman' s
hinches that, which was what wasresolved during the week, but what was
the ticketing for the santafereña. Ithen flew, i e, voted very
quickly. I' m a subscriber. I had to say I was in
one of the groups that I couldbuy first and I got it soon.
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I didn' t have much trouble. The page didn' t bother me
much, but if we' reready, there were people I saw early
on and they lost the wedding inline more than early in line and the
ticketing ran out when they were liningup here at the Santa Fe Bogotá headquarters
in Palo Sextas. The subject ofthe ticketing, besides that was a whole
case because of the topic that Iwas going to give also around Eduardo Méndez,
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of the fans of Bucaramanga, regardingthe swollen visitor, that finally reached
an agreement after the President of SantaFe had said that he would allow us
the entrance of the swollen visitor.For it was the whole mess, because
that does not depend only on SantaFe, almost that the interlocutor that Santa
Fe had for the topic of theswollen visitor both in Bogotá, and in
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Bucaramanga, was the Mayor of Bucaramangawhat is leaving here, that also had
to see a role a little moreimportant of the Mayor of Bogotá. That
finally, I believe that that dialoguebetween authorities also ends up softening me a
little bit the dialogue, the situationand the friction that there was with the
statements of President Méndez, And thatis what ends up being that it is
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finally guaranteed at the price that itis the entrance of bloated visitor until the
end that, if you remember,it is very different, because in the
two thousand twenty, when it isthe final against the America of Calin,
there was no swelling in the campsite. We were in the middle of a
pandemic and in two thousand seventeen againstMillonarias, the campin was all red.
Then I think it would be anice show I wish it would be like
that. Besides, I' mgoing to be talking about separate ballots,
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polemics aside, it' s goingto be an end. I think very
attractive. It was the first game, not so much for Santa Fe,
because the game of Ucaramanga was verygood, but it was a very attractive
game and we expect an exciting endingand we will be accompanied by two special
guests. Sebastian Heredia on the sideof Santa Fe and Juan José Jtas Mantilla
on the side of Bucaramanga. Ina few minutes it will be connected to
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talk first, starting with the localthey became Heredia, but before I wanted
to ask Hugo too, because aboutthe Euro Cup, because today, in
addition to all these issues that webring about on the final, we also
have to talk about the start ofthe Euro Cup. It actually starts,
in a couple of hours in Germany, the place is fighting Scotland. Hugo
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has to talk about this tournament that, see, is one of the most
important Hugo for every footballer. Thistournament is exciting, but at this point
it does not arouse so much emotion, so much desire. It will not
begin to develop the tournament and itwill start to arouse more interest, because
what has always been said is thatthe group is a World Cup without Brazil
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and Argentina, because finally it endsup being the same protagonists that end up
playing the eighth and fourth finals ofa World Cup. And without a doubt,
if the emotions have not started,because it has not started, because
it will be about a month whenwe will have matches from eleven in the
morning to eight in the evening.Where the America Cup ended, it'
s starting in a next week andwe' re going to have a week
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that' s just Eurocup and Ithink that' s where we' re
going to plug in more, becausecertainly some are templates that come very reinforced
and that are testing and almost allin an interesting generational relay, because it
' s not just the case ofToni Cros, but there are others that
are probably giving their latest cartridges.I think it' s interesting. That
speaks of renewal, because I feelthat there is no team later we will
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talk about the top favorites, butI feel that there is no team above
the rest that one, as aspectator, will see let' s say
to England, which is the onethat is much talked about but in England
it takes a long process with acoach that has not shown many credentials at
important times, and I feel thatin past tournaments, well we came from
a decade in which one wanted tosee Spain champion of the world, Germany
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champion of the world, France championof the world. This time there are
many teams with what you say bringan important generational relay. And well,
that also makes the tournament interesting,because, without a doubt because we are
seeing that the relay day having oneof the friendly between Ireland and Spain,
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seemed easy for me that the relayof the right band of Spain was between
dani Carvajal and the Minyamal. ThatI think is the most key example of
what we are talking about in renewal. If we look in Germany, he
' s playing Florian Wirts, he' s on the alternate bench with a
microsoil. Gundogan is rotating with Hubertsthat Hevars is as usual fake nine,
but he is also a midfielder whocan do it a little back. It
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is, and seems to me,the most interesting case of all, the
renewal they are finding in Germany,with the nine, which is thirty-
one years old. The renovation wasbrought by a guy who is thirty-
zero years old, who is fullCrook, the striker, of the Borus
de Dormund, which is a ninearea very much used to what we always
live in German football and which Ithink is an important gain, because what
is always talked about in football recoversthe identity a bit having a German tank
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up there that serves as a reference. I don' t know if it
starts today against Scotland, but itseems to me that it can be very
interesting, because behind full Cruog thereare very talented men, veterans and young
people, and what you can seecan be very interesting. I would believe
even if I went ahead and allowedGermany to be one of the clubs.
Besides, it' s the localand the local we' ll always wait
longer. Yeah, all right,we talked. Woe to two favorites.
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I believe that among the first threethere is also a sequel to France.
Yes, of course, because itcomes with a process since the euro two
thousand sixteen that was runner- upand then it is a world championship,
a runner- up on the side. Practically the same you remove Girut,
who is already burning his last cartridgesand going to the United States and is
the same base of the practically theteam that became world champion. They make
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clear years ago and with a packthat we must treat a player with the
best potential in the world, whowill reach a new team where he will
finally sit down and will pull upto 100% of his potential and who
will undoubtedly take advantage of this Europeto be the platform and for those of
Madrid to realize how it is comingin MBAPE and that Anchelotti and all of
the League are finding out how itis coming. This is the platform for
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him to say here I am.This is what I am going to do
to Spain. There is a lotof anxiety to see how a team that
is already a team full of supergifted uy to reach those close- ups.
Besides, I thought it was interestingwhat you said about the games that
start in the morning ending at night. There' s not a beautiful month
of football coming. No, forthe first time, I think not for
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the first time, but I rememberthat a couple of years ago the last
of the euro was crossed with thefirst of the Copa América. I don
' t think I remember if thatwas Chile' s America Cup. Hunting
nearly ten years they managed to crossa bit. But this time the taming
is perfect. Start the batch ofthe end of the morning batch and start
the afternoon batch. It' sgreat for the one who likes football to
be a Cardinal' s snack.Sure for football freaks. Besides that the
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tournament, the two tournaments, followtheir course and end both on the 14th
of July, that is, thefinal is the same day and it'
s going to be amazing to seeit. Besides that this America Cup is
also special for us. A selectionColombia that comes with a good level and
I give it a yap to finishtalking about the topic of the schedules.
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If you like the sport in general, Early morning, you' re going
to see the tour of France.They tie with the first games in Europe
and close until eight o' clockat night. It' s going to
be a month of pure sport,because the tour is starting on June 29th
and tie almost that with the Olympicsthen it' s practically August. It
' s going to be a fullsports grill, of course not, and
besides, it comes in there stuckWimbildon. Then it starts and spent the
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season of grass in England. They' re playing them from the first tournaments.
Of course and well, in theend to this sporting gine, which
is also one of the reasons wehave always told you why we also started
this space with Huguito Caro. Ayear and a half ago we were talking
here about the Qatar World Cup inwhat was Rueda podcast. Today Rueda took
his own course, following as heshould, the steps of cycling. Covered
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in charge of duo to Rueda podcastcovered the swear of Italy. Now comes
the Tour de France. The tourof France comes and we wait to see
if it continues for the return toSpain. Daily podcast analysis of what surrounds
the roads of the world. Thisone. I think the most anticipated tour
of France, but we' rehere to talk about football. Same.
Thanks for the playful light wedge.Finally, what is defined tomorrow to start
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talking about the final is that SantaFe wants to reach that tenth star,
a tenth star that has cost hera lot, well, a lot of
getting all lost endings, because itis up to good time, it is
lost. It' s two finalsand a half lost, of course,
and if you want to add itup, there' s the elimination of
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Tolima over there in two thousand andten eleven. It' s not two
or three, it' s notthree. They are two finals ast Lima,
not to Animano, America not TolmanMillonarios in the two thousand seventeen,
America in the two thousand twenty andif you want more, back to the
end of the two thousand thirteen againstAtlético Nacional and if you want to go
further back, we can follow untilNational in two thousand five and so on,
because they have not been lucky years. But this is the opportunity to
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do so. Fernando of course,Santa Fe has the same tools to raise
the series, I think, buthe will find a Bucaramanga who will propose
a game. I was very struckby Dudamel' s statement after the game
with bucara- to- man Mangabucara- to- man with Santa Fe,
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which said that the one- to- zero is a much bigger advantage
with the defensive solidity that bucaraman hasThat is, considering Bucaramanga' s solidity,
that advantage is much more than that. That tells us you' re
going to have a very defensively appliedparty. Yes, without a doubt,
it is a well, pardon theword, but it is what when asked,
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I always answer for Caramaga. Itis a very fucked- up team
to talk about it with the santanderenjargon It is very fucked up to play
it to the Bucaramanga and if itencourages me, I think I don'
t have the clear statistic, butI think the only game that lost Santa
Fe from local in this semester wasagainst the Bucaramanga Atlético, because it was
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very difficult to reach him, becausehe has a very solid defense, that
they don' t have the figuresthat with Carlos nao are arming a defensive
block Carlos sat almost that a manwho had already discarded many teams and found
his place in a scheme like Dudamel, that defends himself very well and it
is very difficult to reach Bucaramanga andhas nodes, but several extremes that are
too spicy nico such that they makehim with the sinisterous millionaire that it is
the one who ends up handling theSanta Fe in Bucaramanga. They' re
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men who know a lot about it, who' s very good at that
defense. Yes, of course theyput them in front of each other.
They are teams that can play similar, but Bucaramanga is playing with one more
plus plan, if he has theshirt too swollen. Of course, he
' s playing with no historical opportunity. We are living practically the same thing
we repeated with Pereira about two yearsago and it is practically the whole country
against Santa Fe. You have tosay it that way. Everyone wants Bucaramanga
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to win, except us, tostart in the clear soul to talk about
that moment, Santa Ferreño, ofthe possibility of the retrace and we invite
Sebastian, Heredia journalist today in theRCN with high trajectory. Sebastian, welcome.
Thank you very much for accepting thisinvitation from the viewer. How you
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live right now, Hugitogit Ahorita,I told you what anxiety, but I
said not so much anxiety of hopeFaith. How you live, as a
fan, Santa Fereño, these moments, before the second final, what else,
how you are. Thank you forthe invitation. It' s weird,
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you know, it' s weird, because I think it' s
going to be for me, atleast in the first finale I get to
broadcast from Santa Fe. The otherslet' s say he worked in other
spaces. Then it wasn' tmy turn to broadcast the game on radio,
on television. So I think that' s helped me a little bit
to overturn the anxiety, obviously alreadycloser to the party, either because it
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doesn' t have anxiety. Ithas been said that three or four years
or four seasons very very fucked up, forgive the term for Santa Fe in
terms of sports, because they madevery bad decisions. Fortunately, it is
retraced for this semester and yes,obviously, there is anxiety and nervousness.
I wish it were already the game, but obviously it' s time to
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be very calm and wait to seehow things turn out, because, besides,
because right now I' ve beengoing on that I agree very much,
and is that the bucaraman is nota very brave team. But above
all, I have a lot ofhope that the game will come, because,
for the first time in history,after many endings in which not at
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that moment I could take my son, because tomorrow I will be able to
be with my dad, who wasthe person who took me to the stadium,
with my son, who is amadman sick of Santa Fe, with
whom they make my plóximas places.Let' s just say it' s
a really nice time. I'm working. They' re going to
be there in the grandstand. Butabove all, that fusion of my dad
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and son has me very excited.Sebastián, I was going to ask you
a question very similar to being later, but you gave me the perfect foot
and I want to do it nowby asking you for that cardinal red-
headed root that you have. Whichone do you remember that first ending hope
I was telling your dad, becauseI imagine you' re from that generation
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that he had to wait for thetitle. What do you remember about that
that put your father in the bloodof independent, Santa Fe, because what
touched me, my son, because, since my son is nine years old,
he has not seen Santa Fe championbeyond that when he was very small,
very baby, because Santa Fe woneverything. But because that did not
touch him, he did not enjoyit. So, every national semester champion
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millionaires, champion, the other juniorchampion. And then I always wondered.
And good to us when they touchus, then, nothing, the same
legacy, exactly the same legacy,of knowing how to suffer. There'
s a phrase to me that Ilove about Marcelo VI, the sapi drag
poison and know how to wait,know, wait for the moment and I
think that' s something that wefans of Santa Fe, especially those of
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my generation, because to me,because I was the first game that I
was was was a Santa Fe Unionin Magdalena and we lost two. One
of the most disappointing things in theworld in a stadium is your ugly damaged
this with a Santafiel who didn't pay the players. Rather, I
was against it so I wouldn't be a Holy Ge fan and I
stayed there. So I think thatgoes as well with the DNA hand of
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us to endure, to suffer,to know, to suffer and to learn
that, because you can not alwayswin. And I think that' s
more cool you enjoy more. Finally, that' s love and that'
s football. To one more questionbefore you also give way to Uguapa to
ask you a couple of questions.And it is this semester, as you
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have seen, the evolution of theconfidence precisely of the Inflated of Santa Fereña
with respect to the team of PabloPeirano, that is, at the beginning
could generate doubts, but very quicklythe team consolidated as that relationship with the
swollen one, that trusts the teamand that makes think that the dating is
not a thing let' s say, let' s say what, besides
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that the difference is a zero,since also the team gives guarantees, how
you saw the evolution of that trustof the team. I think it'
s all about having become strong internallyas a group, which wasn' t
happening the previous seasons, because Ithink the leadership skills of the previous technicians
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didn' t give to put upwith that kind of thing. I think
Pablo Perano did, I think it' s a good idea for Méndez to
have called Peluso and that Peluso recommendedPeirano and that he did. It'
s still like that. Keep itall to Mendez. And as in December,
if I am no longer at theend of November, President Eduardo Méndez
quoted some journalists close to Santa Fe, because we covered Santa Fe. I
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don' t remember if there wasanyone from the viewer, but because there
was all the media at a meetingin Santa Fe and he told us the
plan he had and bu And someonetold him, but, President, it
' s that the ballots are veryexpensive. And so I turned around and
told him to look at the priceof the ticket matters as long as the
team wins from the rest. Youcan put the bole to a weight and
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people won' t go and thisSanta Fe beyond that he didn' t
win. Or let' s sayit left some doubts at first because it
was being built, because it showedthat it was a team that had another
environment among other ways to behave withtwo tremendous referents such as Nuebo Roda arrived
from Daniel Torres and I think thathelped people to start trusting the team.
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I think a lot of things willchange about sports decisions in Santa Fe.
That must also be given the right, because the President, in whom he
corrected many things in which he waswrong, began to hear other people.
He stopped bringing players for price andbrought players for quality and that, because
obviously, he conspired so that becausePeirano, in the middle of his work,
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would trade the four for the threeback, he would find a game
idea. He convinced the players thatit was that idea that was going to
lead them to the final. AndI think there' s the key to
an internal conviction, that that endedup, obviously, reflecting on the swelling,
the way players relate to fans attimes when they find themselves, in
statements, in the press conferences lastsemesters, as there were more than all
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the press conferences, there was anunfortunate statement outside of a player or coach.
And that, of course, endsup in the swelling. This year,
not this year has been very ecoanime, all very assertive. Peirano
is a very quiet guy who doesnot jump beyond having emotions ahead, the
leaders have been very responsible. So, I think it' s all conspired
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for good, so that, becausethe swelling is around this team and that
tomorrow, obviously, that stadium usedto burst is gone. Well, first
it' s been a semester listeningto western vines, radio, juli,
pacho, jacks, of course.So, then, faith is there accompanied
throughout this semester. But I wantedto ask you exactly about that idea,
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because you touch the point that Iwanted to ask you and with what I
would like to talk to you,and that is that it is an idea
that the transformation of that idea ofpiraeus that has been sold to you,
has shown that the guy is nota stubborn guy and that he knows how
to listen and that when he haschanged he has done it. What could
change pyrano for that game tomorrow,considering the failures that there were in Bucaramanga,
faults like that Perlaza did not markvery well, like that Pisioti has
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not suddenly been with the confidence thatthey do suddenly have Millán and Ortiz,
for example. I think I sawthe game later for moments and I feel
like the team is adjusted. WhenHernández' s change comes, I didn
' t understand the truth. Iknow David Ramirez has done a very good
job, but I didn' tunderstand why Ramirez was going and I don
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' t say Hernandez. I thinkhe was. This is speculation, not
that information. Maybe they charged hima couple of errors against equity, but
I think Hernandez was doing very welland he misadjusted Millán, who as a
center on the left, because heis playing very well and that' s
where the goal comes from. It' s not Millan' s fault,
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but I do think we' llstart playing in one place and accommodate it
for another. I am one ofthose who believe that changes in teams unless
there is a catastrophe, because inthe game I say changes have to be
nominal and generate the least tactical changespossible. And in the second half,
Pichotti enters Hernández, Millán runs tothe left and there I think he adjusts
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a little. I would wait andwant to see Hernández tomorrow from the beginning,
like that axis of the three backMillán on the left and Ortiz on
the right. Unfortunately, Güero isn' t going to get that, so
let' s say they knew itand it was the risk they took and
they knew how to run in Ibagueme. But I don' t think there
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' s much to change. Ithink more than that is forgetting what happened
in the second time against Bucaramanga.I don' t think you can play
it any more. I wanted toremember what happened in irague I think the
irague party is the perfect match forthis two thousand twenty- four. Let
us hope that tomorrow will also bethe result, because it will lead to
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that objective. But I think seeingit from the positive side, worse than
the second time against Bucaramanga, youcan' t play and we take it
out very cheap. Then I believethat from there to forward, as it
can be profit now to Bucaramanga.They have only done two games throughout the
semester, two goals in junior thefirst game and then Chico, who left
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three of the rest, has receivedno more goals. He' s got
one by one. Then a teamthat defends itself very well, is a
very brave team. He was anarcher who is on a very good level,
with three plants that one thought wouldnot be surrendered and they are giving
him tremendously with two flyers that Ilove like Castro and Flores, which destroy
and build at the same time.So I think it' s a very
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oravian party, but the mirror hasto be the game against Tolimanival. One
hoped that that frame in Bucaramanga wouldweigh for the Bucaramanga, because seventy-
five years the illusion of the firststar and it seemed that that frame ate
Santa Fe more. Not that onewould say good comes with a well with
the history of the team to theside, but that also speaks of two
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plants in which, like Bucaramanga,also has many men accustomed to victory,
not as ines tros asambuess that is, comes a team that already knows also
what it is to win. Howdo you imagine this second game is from
telling him right now there was thatDudamel said that with the one zero and
its defensive solidity, the advantage wasmuch more than that and nestrosa after the
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game also said with a one zerohe won an end. How you visualize
that game with Bucaramanga and Hanging ofthe best clubs that there is a Bucaramanga
thing that surprises me and it isnot Bucaramanga, it is from Dudamel and
I think the other day is talkingabout a friend and told me that he
has doubt and I told him.I think Udomel' s distinguishing seal is
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that he knows his rivals very welland that, if he has to adapt
the game idea to his rival toovercome it, he has no problem in
doing so. Unlike, there's a lot of techs who die with
theirs, whoever it is here infront of it. I think Dudamel has
seen all the Santa Fe games sixhundred and fifty times, because he works
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very well and prepares the matches verywell. I imagine yesterday morning a bucaramanga,
because obviously, playing with time,that is inevitable with an advantage and
a team that will defend itself verywell, that defends itself very well and
that does not defend itself so closeto its arch, because it returns repeat,
I believe that the work of Floresand Castro is very interesting To my
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sambuesa. The truth has never convincedme as a player. Let' s
say reference. I think he's a player who disappears a lot,
but when he shows up he's decisive. Then I think it'
s going to give a lot ofcourage to my colta too. There'
s mestrosa, but I think theParty is in the middle of the camp.
I believe that if Santa Fe managesto overcome that barrier that Castro and
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Flores create accompanied after the three back, I think Santa Fe can find the
spaces. It' s very difficultnow. I didn' t even want
to think about the game, preparethe game surely tomorrow morning, because the
truth gives me a lot of anxietyand I' ve been more focused on
making you happy. Let' ssay these days to my son, to
my dad thinking about what the gamewill be and tomorrow I get judicious to
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analyze the game, but I thinkit' s going to be a game
in which Bucaramanga is going to defendhimself and because he defends himself very well.
Then you don' t have tobetray your idea either. And so
Santa Fe, let' s sayit' s not the team that attacks
the most. He attacks well,but he' s not the one who
attacks the most. Then you'll have to find the ways to get
there. And I would also liketo see more minutes yesterday are González,
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that this is a game that canbenefit Jerson González by speed, by one
by one. I imagine a GersonGonzález like the Docero who even did to
sell, because that one she lackedto take off her clothes in the campsite
and I hope that geerr are González, because there is a Gerson González who
is also sometimes apathetic, who entersand ignores the party. The necessary moments
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don' t come in, butthe gerson scorer in the game is a
tremendously unbalanced guy. We should seeif he gets that energy we saw in
Ibagueno. I hope, of course, that' s the pasadagra parala that
said full tomorrow at the campsite,as we talked about, and it'
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s also key. A man likeDaniel Torres, not a game to handle
time, to interpret, always tointerpret how to attack that defense. And
a man like that in the middleHoly faith Or is fortunate to count on
him today, no doubt, andnot just in the middle of what he
has done as a leader internally.There are many things that have happened thanks
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to Daniel in which the discourses havebeen changed, the ways to relate internally
to anais are secret that let's say that Eduardo Méndez' s forms
are not the most friendly. Butfrom the arrival of There was, from
the arrival neither the Torres, thathas changed much Santa Fe and that is
reflected. That' s why Ithink the value that Daniel Torres has in
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Santa Fe, Hay Roda arrives isbeyond sports, and that should be highlighted.
And so you have to make itknown, because those are the types
of leaders that raise the teams.Obviously, that must be added to it,
because marmolejo mosquito, so, myGod, if marmolejo mosquito, we
wouldn' t be here. I' m sure what last game was brilliant
or how expensive you win from it. What, what, what? You
' re such a horseman Nothing wasalready there. Yeah, I got rid
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of all those pods. Then Idon' t even know how to dress
my son. Yeah, it's super horsepower, that poor Chinese guy
wants to get to the stadium since2: 00 p m anxiety dies.
First, nothing to be with them, to share as far as I can,
so I allow my work and alreadyand to be a good match and,
hopefully, because we can celebrate.But I don' t have horses.
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It' s too much to havea face, it' s more
of mine, because he' sjust going to ask you if you'
re bufa or not bufa. Thefact that the players got into the players
the cha, got into the courtafter the game. Those images. They
' re strong, because then,if you get to the brutal one.
Of course I didn' t wantto talk much about the subject and in
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the program at night I have twofans of millionaires fucked me all week that
burned as I saw, that Idon' t know, but yes.
I think that celebrating ahead of time, because they are also new to that
then, of course it is understood, not clear, but I do think
that can be an important bufa.I wish sebastian. Thank you so much
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for this time you gave the viewerfor this talk and nothing much luck tomorrow
for Santa Fe at the end,no more missing when they want, when
they want to be here. Well, nothing to make him strong and we
must win that I hope he staysin Bogotá and that the boss of you
arrives on Monday very happy to theeditor of the spectator. That' s
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the one who' s suffering withSanta Fe. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that' s right. Thank you, Sebastian, thank you for a
hug that you are well. Then, well, everyone agrees that that game
is going to be duruguito or caramangaand now tarfurd is not asking me.
But more than horses, they're omens. You have, then,
more than a horse to hear omens. For example, I don' t
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like to premiere T- shirts inimportant games. I' d rather wear
it than the whole game, butit' s not like I have a
private one. But I don't like brand new shirts. I feel
like that doesn' t go withthe moment. I feel like it can
hurt. I don' t knowif it' s enough or not,
I really lost my remaining cauliflowers afterthat two thousand seventeen against millionaires, but
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we don' t have to doit with mystique, if we have to
get barefoot all to that stadium,because we do it, but with travento
and tidal. You have to fightthat ending and they snooped or didn'
t buff into the court. Idebate that this week, because that is
already the perception of everyone who sayssebastian. That' s right, they
' re neophytes. They had neverlived a party like that and without any
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doubt, because the holidays must beenjoyed what lasts, you have to enjoy
the road, because you don't know how to make the end and
we don' t know when Iwish to keep repeating it and to take
advantage of this stroke of luck toconsolidate the Bucaramanga level, but we don
' t know when they will begiven again. And I, though I
understand it might be Muffi and forif I were Santa Vez I' d
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be thinking a little differently. Butif you enjoy it, you never know
when to give those moments. Seventy- five years you' re on a
team that' s iconic. Youwere talking right now, the Pereira.
There that is a team that alsolasted many years in being champion. Bucaramanga
has had third positions, has playedfinals before the Colombian championship was defined in
a different way. Then they hadalready reached the finals the sixties later,
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in the seventies, achieved that runner- up against America, which is the
only final that has really had therunner- up. So, all the
hope that has been awakened around Bucaramangahas been quite important. It is understandable
all that fusivity emotions with which peopleassumed that party, how they jumped into
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the field and are living it asthey say an end, a true party
was what you live in Santander.Well, you don' t know how
long those pods last and when theyrepeat themselves. And I think both teams,
not to mention Bucaramanga alone, havetechnicians that motivate him to swell.
Your Amar is a very passionate technician. You can' t forget what he
did with Cali about three years ago. How he returned the perfume, of
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course, but he gave the motivationback to a team that was not either
and is not having a good timein fans such as Deportivo Cali, which
has not had a good time eitherbecause the handling, because it is questionable,
so they are leaving, transiting,not to stop being a public limited
company, of course and with therisk of the decline, which is an
important issue for this second semester.Important, also, keep in mind that
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you say of doubtmel a natural motivator, a coach with a very good ability
to wake up their teams. Then, perhaps the doubt is that it will
last so long in this Bucaramanga,as well as in Cali, that the
process ended makes a very explosive formin Venezuela. That' s how Pinto
wears the group like Pinto, likethe sinful one, because they have their
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peculiarities in the way they stand,but they are processes that usually reach a
roof and when they touch a roof, the next thing is to touch bottom,
of course, of course and whenthey are like this, explosives.
So motivators, because the panorama changes, Harto, we also talked about Perano,
that is, a different tesitura.It' s not like Sebastian said,
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Pablo Peyra is not a completely quietman, but he' s passionate.
She' s passionate and, aboveall else, understands what team she
' s leading, understands that SantaFe, understands what she was missing.
As Sebastian said, we came froma bit erratic technicians who couldn' t
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make a complete click or that wasmore the good and the bad than the
good, and there couldn' tbe a harmony in the whole environment of
what is Santa Fe and Peirano cameand connected a little bit from the root
and cured a little because there werethings to cure, there were relationships to
heal and motivated and had the advantagethat, as I said, institutionally sebastian.
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Things were done so that there wasa basic material with which to work
some key men who also understand whatSanta Fe is and and it got everything
in tune and we are included asa fan, we are in the same
tune and we are all looking forthe same. We' re letting it
happen that the ballot thing, thatI know that there were problems for the
last group, that with all theseproblems, but that' s the symptom
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of the same thing, it's a symptom that we all want to
be there. We' re allgoing for the same thing and I think
that this unit is something that SantaFe didn' t have a long time
ago and there was a very brutaldisconnect, at least since the pandemic that
was that parteaguas in the years sobad that there has been independent of Santa
Fe. Of course, some leaguetitles aquities that already as the last eight
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years star, achieved in two thousandsixteen, but the last title of Santa
Felina, not bad, was thesuper League of two thousand twenty- one.
No, she' s the onewho won America. That' s
right. And last League title twothousand sixteen, two against the Lima Sportsman,
of course, but and Pablo Peiranothat you said one thing very important
and it' s the issue thathe already knew what it was like to
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win in Santa Fe. He waspart of Gerardo Peluso' s technical corps.
Of course he won the South AmericanCup. And well, he'
s a coach who' s arrived. He changed Santa Fe' s face,
just as Dudamel changed Bucaramanga' sface. Of course you see that
for the finale. I think SantaFe has to look fast for the goal,
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but without failing in the defense orleaving many spaces the keys. See
how I see it, that's going to be an intense match.
They' re going out to bothteams not to negotiate half of them,
because they have the inflated shirt andbecause it has the support practically and I
repeat almost a whole country that wantsand is making the Bucaramanga strong. If
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probably, if the final wasn't against Santa Fe, I' d
be in that role, too.That plays a lot and just like we
did with the bitch we' reall doing with the bucaramagol they' re
doing. That' s gonna playa lot and they' re gonna come
out and not leave half a space. And Santa went out on the contrary.
He' s going out with anintensity, but he has to take
care of himself and not leave halfa space either. So it' s
going to be the game that's going to be too close, too
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much there' s not going tobe a half apex or a ball that
hasn' t been played in depth, and that' s what I think
is going to play a lot.He' s gonna play a lot of
physical. Santa Fe is a teamthat wears out and plays the wear,
chase every ball, chase, pushthe opposite territory. Then you also need
to see how the bucaramanga will respondamong a Santa Fe who will probably come
out to play with an energy fromwhom of a wounded lion to use that
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figure. Of course Santa Fe alsohas to appeal to that, to his
people, to his history. Togo back to the game we wanted for
bucaraman fans he' s going tohave here to invite them to JS Mantilla.
We' re waiting for the lastmoment to see if you can join
Huguito. Let' s go tothe conversation again, towards the Eurocup,
already to go towards the last minutesof this format of sports platform, because,
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as we had said from the beginning, the Eurocup begins today with the
match of Germany Scotland and it isdeveloping now until the next 14 July.
The groups of this Eurocup will bein Group A Germany, Scotland, Hungary,
Switzerland in Group B, Spain,Croatia, Italy, Albania, Negroup
C Slovenia, Denmark, Serbia andEngland in the group of Netherlands, Austria
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and France in Group E, Belgium, Slovakia, Romania, in Group F
Turkey, Portugal and Czech Republic.There are, according to the bookmakers,
ten favorites to win the Eurocup.The most is England, which we have
said later is in France, Germany, Spain, Portugal and Belgium. That
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is the six, and there aresome who say they will come from behind,
which are the Netherlands, Italy andthe two who could surprise them,
Denmark and Croatia. How do yousee those favorites. For me, as
I said at the beginning, inthat with Germany, not only because it
is the local, but because itseems to me that it has a sharp
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template that is enviable, clear andthat has a head that suddenly a head
with head. I mean the technicianwho suddenly makes a difference to the others.
Well, it' s a chamesdivider that Haya is world champion,
of course I understand. But ifwe stop Germany compared to England to put
up a confrontation that if I couldgive, then I, if I think
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Naggisman is more technical than sout Day, if I had the same opinion,
he missed the contract and really showednothing. That' s the big debt
you have to prove. No debtis this Eurocup, of course I say,
debt because it has a payroll toa combo that forces it to rise
to the height or in players youfinish the payroll of England, players like
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Saka Harry Kane. After insane,clar Rice Nobellingham, who can win gold
ball, you can' t passa player' s prime, a scorer
as terrible as Harry Kane, andnot take advantage of somehow not being fighting
some title. I don' tknow about being more prominent. They fought
the Europe passes, they reached thefinal and the tan in Wembley, of
course, but with greater reason.You can' t do that by having
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the primeo a player or so goodthat it' s like ripe fruit.
At any moment that race is comingdown and who starts to enter the sunset
of his career, right now isat one point is that he is a
goler or terrible in Germany, hewas in England, that is to say
two producers. It' s alucky thing. You can' t pass
players like that with Colombia. Reinaldowheels. Can' t you pass a
sit- in like that without youdoing something else or disputing someone proves why
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it' s the next process coming? It wasn' t a lack of
players, it wasn' t alack, it was a need to heal
things, the same figure who wastalking about what became Pirano Santa Fe.
Many things had to be healed andreconciled in order to rebuild a team in
agreement. Let us remember the formatof this euro that are twenty- four
teams that are divided into six groupsof four and the best two move on
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to the next phase and the fourthird women move on to the next round
already to go Hugo. There area number of things to look forward to
this weekend. The return to Colombiais one of them. Today the return
to Colombia begins with the prologue thatcan codict us seventy- four of that
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race. It starts on Macanal insouthern Boyacá. It' s a prologue
of seven four kilometers. The testis category Uc and two are a thousand
two hundred ninety- five kilometers thatwill be twenty- three of June and
will pass by Boyacá, by Cundinamarca, by Tolima, by Calda, curlar
agla Valle and Antioch is the returnto Colombia, our career mother. There
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will be one hundred and seventy-six cyclists who will take the game today
twenty- five teams and five ofthem foreign teams. Rodrigo Contreras contreritas.
The winner of tur Colombia, withouta doubt, is the man who will
be as favorite with the Nu tocontest this return to Colombia. We also
wanted to tell the entire audience ofthe viewer that today there could be NBA
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Boston Celtics champion from the science anda half night visited takes them to the
series three zero. It would normallybe Jason Tatum' s band, Jalen
Brown, Christoph by Singis Al Horfordand Dru Holedy to take the title on
the 18th of their story, whichwould make it the most winning franchise.
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There are also finals in the Women' s League. Yes, sir,
because the quadrangulars begin. Undoubtedly somegreat favorites that are distributed National Atlético in
Group A and America of Cali inGroup B. But we see a review
by the groups of what will beenjoyed in those quadrangulars. Group A,
as I said, Atlético Nacional opensit, is independent Santa Fe Alliance and
independent Medellín. Group B with CaliDeportivo' s America Cali was going to
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be almost colle caocano. Millonarios andLlanero is the first date that starts today
with Santa Fe residing in Bogotá,Atlético Nacional Independiente Medellin, tomorrow Saturday against
Alianza in Group B On Sunday at6 p m, Millonario welcomes America from
Cali here in Bogotá and Deportivo Caliagainst Llaneros tomorrow Saturday at 2 p m
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and finally, Colombia' s matchagainst Bolivia, after having won the United
States five to one, will bethe last game of preparation of the Colombian
team that will also be defined tomorrowthe final twenty- six. Two of
Néstor Lorenzo' s list and moreimportant news are discarded. It' s
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a time to talk about Santa Fe, but Millonarios has also moved the sports
agenda a lot with the theme ofincorporating ramel forcado garcía that seems to be
falling. The hours will pass andit will be seen if Huguito finally arrives.
Thank you very much for being heretoday in a sports forum, a
space for the spectator to talk aboutwhat we like the most. Keep an
eye on all digital content and theprinted newspaper of the viewer. And thank
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you so much for being in thisparticu grandstand.
Already the one with the one zeroagainst auditor Colder frednestroza in that first game,
but uguito, I imagine that alreadywith the ballot in the pocket to
go to encourage the change that willbe teased, not like it was in
the majority of the semester, becauseit was sold very fast eight days ago,
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more or less. By this timethe whole of the stadium was sold,
the campin, for logically there wasa remnant for the bucaraman' s
hinches that, which was what wasresolved during the week, but what was
the ticketing for the santafereña. Ithen flew, i e, voted very
quickly. I' m a subscriber. I had to say I was in
one of the groups that I couldbuy first and I got it soon.
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I didn' t have much trouble. The page didn' t bother me
much, but if we' reready, there were people I saw early
on and they lost the wedding inline more than early in line and the
ticketing ran out when they were liningup here at the Santa Fe Bogotá headquarters
in Palo Sextas. The subject ofthe ticketing, besides that was a whole
case because of the topic that Iwas going to give also around Eduardo Méndez,
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of the fans of Bucaramanga, regardingthe swollen visitor, that finally reached
an agreement after the President of SantaFe had said that he would allow us
the entrance of the swollen visitor.For it was the whole mess, because
that does not depend only on SantaFe, almost that the interlocutor that Santa
Fe had for the topic of theswollen visitor both in Bogotá, and in
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Bucaramanga, was the Mayor of Bucaramangawhat is leaving here, that also had
to see a role a little moreimportant of the Mayor of Bogotá. That
finally, I believe that that dialoguebetween authorities also ends up softening me a
little bit the dialogue, the situationand the friction that there was with the
statements of President Méndez, And thatis what ends up being that it is
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finally guaranteed at the price that itis the entrance of bloated visitor until the
end that, if you remember,it is very different, because in the
two thousand twenty, when it isthe final against the America of Calin,
there was no swelling in the campsite. We were in the middle of a
pandemic and in two thousand seventeen againstMillonarias, the campin was all red.
Then I think it would be anice show I wish it would be like
that. Besides, I' mgoing to be talking about separate ballots,
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polemics aside, it' s goingto be an end. I think very
attractive. It was the first game, not so much for Santa Fe,
because the game of Ucaramanga was verygood, but it was a very attractive
game and we expect an exciting endingand we will be accompanied by two special
guests. Sebastian Heredia on the sideof Santa Fe and Juan José Jtas Mantilla
on the side of Bucaramanga. Ina few minutes it will be connected to
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talk first, starting with the localthey became Heredia, but before I wanted
to ask Hugo too, because aboutthe Euro Cup, because today, in
addition to all these issues that webring about on the final, we also
have to talk about the start ofthe Euro Cup. It actually starts,
in a couple of hours in Germany, the place is fighting Scotland. Hugo
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has to talk about this tournament that, see, is one of the most
important Hugo for every footballer. Thistournament is exciting, but at this point
it does not arouse so much emotion, so much desire. It will not
begin to develop the tournament and itwill start to arouse more interest, because
what has always been said is thatthe group is a World Cup without Brazil
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and Argentina, because finally it endsup being the same protagonists that end up
playing the eighth and fourth finals ofa World Cup. And without a doubt,
if the emotions have not started,because it has not started, because
it will be about a month whenwe will have matches from eleven in the
morning to eight in the evening.Where the America Cup ended, it'
s starting in a next week andwe' re going to have a week
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that' s just Eurocup and Ithink that' s where we' re
going to plug in more, becausecertainly some are templates that come very reinforced
and that are testing and almost allin an interesting generational relay, because it
' s not just the case ofToni Cros, but there are others that
are probably giving their latest cartridges.I think it' s interesting. That
speaks of renewal, because I feelthat there is no team later we will
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talk about the top favorites, butI feel that there is no team above
the rest that one, as aspectator, will see let' s say
to England, which is the onethat is much talked about but in England
it takes a long process with acoach that has not shown many credentials at
important times, and I feel thatin past tournaments, well we came from
a decade in which one wanted tosee Spain champion of the world, Germany
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champion of the world, France championof the world. This time there are
many teams with what you say bringan important generational relay. And well,
that also makes the tournament interesting,because, without a doubt because we are
seeing that the relay day having oneof the friendly between Ireland and Spain,
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seemed easy for me that the relayof the right band of Spain was between
dani Carvajal and the Minyamal. ThatI think is the most key example of
what we are talking about in renewal. If we look in Germany, he
' s playing Florian Wirts, he' s on the alternate bench with a
microsoil. Gundogan is rotating with Hubertsthat Hevars is as usual fake nine,
but he is also a midfielder whocan do it a little back. It
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is, and seems to me,the most interesting case of all, the
renewal they are finding in Germany,with the nine, which is thirty-
one years old. The renovation wasbrought by a guy who is thirty-
zero years old, who is fullCrook, the striker, of the Borus
de Dormund, which is a ninearea very much used to what we always
live in German football and which Ithink is an important gain, because what
is always talked about in football recoversthe identity a bit having a German tank
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up there that serves as a reference. I don' t know if it
starts today against Scotland, but itseems to me that it can be very
interesting, because behind full Cruog thereare very talented men, veterans and young
people, and what you can seecan be very interesting. I would believe
even if I went ahead and allowedGermany to be one of the clubs.
Besides, it' s the localand the local we' ll always wait
longer. Yeah, all right,we talked. Woe to two favorites.
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I believe that among the first threethere is also a sequel to France.
Yes, of course, because itcomes with a process since the euro two
thousand sixteen that was runner- upand then it is a world championship,
a runner- up on the side. Practically the same you remove Girut,
who is already burning his last cartridgesand going to the United States and is
the same base of the practically theteam that became world champion. They make
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clear years ago and with a packthat we must treat a player with the
best potential in the world, whowill reach a new team where he will
finally sit down and will pull upto 100% of his potential and who
will undoubtedly take advantage of this Europeto be the platform and for those of
Madrid to realize how it is comingin MBAPE and that Anchelotti and all of
the League are finding out how itis coming. This is the platform for
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him to say here I am.This is what I am going to do
to Spain. There is a lotof anxiety to see how a team that
is already a team full of supergifted uy to reach those close- ups.
Besides, I thought it was interestingwhat you said about the games that
start in the morning ending at night. There' s not a beautiful month
of football coming. No, forthe first time, I think not for
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the first time, but I rememberthat a couple of years ago the last
of the euro was crossed with thefirst of the Copa América. I don
' t think I remember if thatwas Chile' s America Cup. Hunting
nearly ten years they managed to crossa bit. But this time the taming
is perfect. Start the batch ofthe end of the morning batch and start
the afternoon batch. It' sgreat for the one who likes football to
be a Cardinal' s snack.Sure for football freaks. Besides that the
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tournament, the two tournaments, followtheir course and end both on the 14th
of July, that is, thefinal is the same day and it'
s going to be amazing to seeit. Besides that this America Cup is
also special for us. A selectionColombia that comes with a good level and
I give it a yap to finishtalking about the topic of the schedules.
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If you like the sport in general, Early morning, you' re going
to see the tour of France.They tie with the first games in Europe
and close until eight o' clockat night. It' s going to
be a month of pure sport,because the tour is starting on June 29th
and tie almost that with the Olympicsthen it' s practically August. It
' s going to be a fullsports grill, of course not, and
besides, it comes in there stuckWimbildon. Then it starts and spent the
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season of grass in England. They' re playing them from the first tournaments.
Of course and well, in theend to this sporting gine, which
is also one of the reasons wehave always told you why we also started
this space with Huguito Caro. Ayear and a half ago we were talking
here about the Qatar World Cup inwhat was Rueda podcast. Today Rueda took
his own course, following as heshould, the steps of cycling. Covered
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in charge of duo to Rueda podcastcovered the swear of Italy. Now comes
the Tour de France. The tourof France comes and we wait to see
if it continues for the return toSpain. Daily podcast analysis of what surrounds
the roads of the world. Thisone. I think the most anticipated tour
of France, but we' rehere to talk about football. Same.
Thanks for the playful light wedge.Finally, what is defined tomorrow to start
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talking about the final is that SantaFe wants to reach that tenth star,
a tenth star that has cost hera lot, well, a lot of
getting all lost endings, because itis up to good time, it is
lost. It' s two finalsand a half lost, of course,
and if you want to add itup, there' s the elimination of
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Tolima over there in two thousand andten eleven. It' s not two
or three, it' s notthree. They are two finals ast Lima,
not to Animano, America not TolmanMillonarios in the two thousand seventeen,
America in the two thousand twenty andif you want more, back to the
end of the two thousand thirteen againstAtlético Nacional and if you want to go
further back, we can follow untilNational in two thousand five and so on,
because they have not been lucky years. But this is the opportunity to
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do so. Fernando of course,Santa Fe has the same tools to raise
the series, I think, buthe will find a Bucaramanga who will propose
a game. I was very struckby Dudamel' s statement after the game
with bucara- to- man Mangabucara- to- man with Santa Fe,
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which said that the one- to- zero is a much bigger advantage
with the defensive solidity that bucaraman hasThat is, considering Bucaramanga' s solidity,
that advantage is much more than that. That tells us you' re
going to have a very defensively appliedparty. Yes, without a doubt,
it is a well, pardon theword, but it is what when asked,
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I always answer for Caramaga. Itis a very fucked- up team
to talk about it with the santanderenjargon It is very fucked up to play
it to the Bucaramanga and if itencourages me, I think I don'
t have the clear statistic, butI think the only game that lost Santa
Fe from local in this semester wasagainst the Bucaramanga Atlético, because it was
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very difficult to reach him, becausehe has a very solid defense, that
they don' t have the figuresthat with Carlos nao are arming a defensive
block Carlos sat almost that a manwho had already discarded many teams and found
his place in a scheme like Dudamel, that defends himself very well and it
is very difficult to reach Bucaramanga andhas nodes, but several extremes that are
too spicy nico such that they makehim with the sinisterous millionaire that it is
the one who ends up handling theSanta Fe in Bucaramanga. They' re
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men who know a lot about it, who' s very good at that
defense. Yes, of course theyput them in front of each other.
They are teams that can play similar, but Bucaramanga is playing with one more
plus plan, if he has theshirt too swollen. Of course, he
' s playing with no historical opportunity. We are living practically the same thing
we repeated with Pereira about two yearsago and it is practically the whole country
against Santa Fe. You have tosay it that way. Everyone wants Bucaramanga
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to win, except us, tostart in the clear soul to talk about
that moment, Santa Ferreño, ofthe possibility of the retrace and we invite
Sebastian, Heredia journalist today in theRCN with high trajectory. Sebastian, welcome.
Thank you very much for accepting thisinvitation from the viewer. How you
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live right now, Hugitogit Ahorita,I told you what anxiety, but I
said not so much anxiety of hopeFaith. How you live, as a
fan, Santa Fereño, these moments, before the second final, what else,
how you are. Thank you forthe invitation. It' s weird,
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you know, it' s weird, because I think it' s
going to be for me, atleast in the first finale I get to
broadcast from Santa Fe. The otherslet' s say he worked in other
spaces. Then it wasn' tmy turn to broadcast the game on radio,
on television. So I think that' s helped me a little bit
to overturn the anxiety, obviously alreadycloser to the party, either because it
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doesn' t have anxiety. Ithas been said that three or four years
or four seasons very very fucked up, forgive the term for Santa Fe in
terms of sports, because they madevery bad decisions. Fortunately, it is
retraced for this semester and yes,obviously, there is anxiety and nervousness.
I wish it were already the game, but obviously it' s time to
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be very calm and wait to seehow things turn out, because, besides,
because right now I' ve beengoing on that I agree very much,
and is that the bucaraman is nota very brave team. But above
all, I have a lot ofhope that the game will come, because,
for the first time in history,after many endings in which not at
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that moment I could take my son, because tomorrow I will be able to
be with my dad, who wasthe person who took me to the stadium,
with my son, who is amadman sick of Santa Fe, with
whom they make my plóximas places.Let' s just say it' s
a really nice time. I'm working. They' re going to
be there in the grandstand. Butabove all, that fusion of my dad
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and son has me very excited.Sebastián, I was going to ask you
a question very similar to being later, but you gave me the perfect foot
and I want to do it nowby asking you for that cardinal red-
headed root that you have. Whichone do you remember that first ending hope
I was telling your dad, becauseI imagine you' re from that generation
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that he had to wait for thetitle. What do you remember about that
that put your father in the bloodof independent, Santa Fe, because what
touched me, my son, because, since my son is nine years old,
he has not seen Santa Fe championbeyond that when he was very small,
very baby, because Santa Fe woneverything. But because that did not
touch him, he did not enjoyit. So, every national semester champion
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millionaires, champion, the other juniorchampion. And then I always wondered.
And good to us when they touchus, then, nothing, the same
legacy, exactly the same legacy,of knowing how to suffer. There'
s a phrase to me that Ilove about Marcelo VI, the sapi drag
poison and know how to wait,know, wait for the moment and I
think that' s something that wefans of Santa Fe, especially those of
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my generation, because to me,because I was the first game that I
was was was a Santa Fe Unionin Magdalena and we lost two. One
of the most disappointing things in theworld in a stadium is your ugly damaged
this with a Santafiel who didn't pay the players. Rather, I
was against it so I wouldn't be a Holy Ge fan and I
stayed there. So I think thatgoes as well with the DNA hand of
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us to endure, to suffer,to know, to suffer and to learn
that, because you can not alwayswin. And I think that' s
more cool you enjoy more. Finally, that' s love and that'
s football. To one more questionbefore you also give way to Uguapa to
ask you a couple of questions.And it is this semester, as you
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have seen, the evolution of theconfidence precisely of the Inflated of Santa Fereña
with respect to the team of PabloPeirano, that is, at the beginning
could generate doubts, but very quicklythe team consolidated as that relationship with the
swollen one, that trusts the teamand that makes think that the dating is
not a thing let' s say, let' s say what, besides
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that the difference is a zero,since also the team gives guarantees, how
you saw the evolution of that trustof the team. I think it'
s all about having become strong internallyas a group, which wasn' t
happening the previous seasons, because Ithink the leadership skills of the previous technicians
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didn' t give to put upwith that kind of thing. I think
Pablo Perano did, I think it' s a good idea for Méndez to
have called Peluso and that Peluso recommendedPeirano and that he did. It'
s still like that. Keep itall to Mendez. And as in December,
if I am no longer at theend of November, President Eduardo Méndez
quoted some journalists close to Santa Fe, because we covered Santa Fe. I
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don' t remember if there wasanyone from the viewer, but because there
was all the media at a meetingin Santa Fe and he told us the
plan he had and bu And someonetold him, but, President, it
' s that the ballots are veryexpensive. And so I turned around and
told him to look at the priceof the ticket matters as long as the
team wins from the rest. Youcan put the bole to a weight and
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people won' t go and thisSanta Fe beyond that he didn' t
win. Or let' s sayit left some doubts at first because it
was being built, because it showedthat it was a team that had another
environment among other ways to behave withtwo tremendous referents such as Nuebo Roda arrived
from Daniel Torres and I think thathelped people to start trusting the team.
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I think a lot of things willchange about sports decisions in Santa Fe.
That must also be given the right, because the President, in whom he
corrected many things in which he waswrong, began to hear other people.
He stopped bringing players for price andbrought players for quality and that, because
obviously, he conspired so that becausePeirano, in the middle of his work,
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would trade the four for the threeback, he would find a game
idea. He convinced the players thatit was that idea that was going to
lead them to the final. AndI think there' s the key to
an internal conviction, that that endedup, obviously, reflecting on the swelling,
the way players relate to fans attimes when they find themselves, in
statements, in the press conferences lastsemesters, as there were more than all
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the press conferences, there was anunfortunate statement outside of a player or coach.
And that, of course, endsup in the swelling. This year,
not this year has been very ecoanime, all very assertive. Peirano
is a very quiet guy who doesnot jump beyond having emotions ahead, the
leaders have been very responsible. So, I think it' s all conspired
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for good, so that, becausethe swelling is around this team and that
tomorrow, obviously, that stadium usedto burst is gone. Well, first
it' s been a semester listeningto western vines, radio, juli,
pacho, jacks, of course.So, then, faith is there accompanied
throughout this semester. But I wantedto ask you exactly about that idea,
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because you touch the point that Iwanted to ask you and with what I
would like to talk to you,and that is that it is an idea
that the transformation of that idea ofpiraeus that has been sold to you,
has shown that the guy is nota stubborn guy and that he knows how
to listen and that when he haschanged he has done it. What could
change pyrano for that game tomorrow,considering the failures that there were in Bucaramanga,
faults like that Perlaza did not markvery well, like that Pisioti has
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not suddenly been with the confidence thatthey do suddenly have Millán and Ortiz,
for example. I think I sawthe game later for moments and I feel
like the team is adjusted. WhenHernández' s change comes, I didn
' t understand the truth. Iknow David Ramirez has done a very good
job, but I didn' tunderstand why Ramirez was going and I don
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' t say Hernandez. I thinkhe was. This is speculation, not
that information. Maybe they charged hima couple of errors against equity, but
I think Hernandez was doing very welland he misadjusted Millán, who as a
center on the left, because heis playing very well and that' s
where the goal comes from. It' s not Millan' s fault,
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but I do think we' llstart playing in one place and accommodate it
for another. I am one ofthose who believe that changes in teams unless
there is a catastrophe, because inthe game I say changes have to be
nominal and generate the least tactical changespossible. And in the second half,
Pichotti enters Hernández, Millán runs tothe left and there I think he adjusts
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a little. I would wait andwant to see Hernández tomorrow from the beginning,
like that axis of the three backMillán on the left and Ortiz on
the right. Unfortunately, Güero isn' t going to get that, so
let' s say they knew itand it was the risk they took and
they knew how to run in Ibagueme. But I don' t think there
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' s much to change. Ithink more than that is forgetting what happened
in the second time against Bucaramanga.I don' t think you can play
it any more. I wanted toremember what happened in irague I think the
irague party is the perfect match forthis two thousand twenty- four. Let
us hope that tomorrow will also bethe result, because it will lead to
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that objective. But I think seeingit from the positive side, worse than
the second time against Bucaramanga, youcan' t play and we take it
out very cheap. Then I believethat from there to forward, as it
can be profit now to Bucaramanga.They have only done two games throughout the
semester, two goals in junior thefirst game and then Chico, who left
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three of the rest, has receivedno more goals. He' s got
one by one. Then a teamthat defends itself very well, is a
very brave team. He was anarcher who is on a very good level,
with three plants that one thought wouldnot be surrendered and they are giving
him tremendously with two flyers that Ilove like Castro and Flores, which destroy
and build at the same time.So I think it' s a very
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oravian party, but the mirror hasto be the game against Tolimanival. One
hoped that that frame in Bucaramanga wouldweigh for the Bucaramanga, because seventy-
five years the illusion of the firststar and it seemed that that frame ate
Santa Fe more. Not that onewould say good comes with a well with
the history of the team to theside, but that also speaks of two
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plants in which, like Bucaramanga,also has many men accustomed to victory,
not as ines tros asambuess that is, comes a team that already knows also
what it is to win. Howdo you imagine this second game is from
telling him right now there was thatDudamel said that with the one zero and
its defensive solidity, the advantage wasmuch more than that and nestrosa after the
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game also said with a one zerohe won an end. How you visualize
that game with Bucaramanga and Hanging ofthe best clubs that there is a Bucaramanga
thing that surprises me and it isnot Bucaramanga, it is from Dudamel and
I think the other day is talkingabout a friend and told me that he
has doubt and I told him.I think Udomel' s distinguishing seal is
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that he knows his rivals very welland that, if he has to adapt
the game idea to his rival toovercome it, he has no problem in
doing so. Unlike, there's a lot of techs who die with
theirs, whoever it is here infront of it. I think Dudamel has
seen all the Santa Fe games sixhundred and fifty times, because he works
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very well and prepares the matches verywell. I imagine yesterday morning a bucaramanga,
because obviously, playing with time,that is inevitable with an advantage and
a team that will defend itself verywell, that defends itself very well and
that does not defend itself so closeto its arch, because it returns repeat,
I believe that the work of Floresand Castro is very interesting To my
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sambuesa. The truth has never convincedme as a player. Let' s
say reference. I think he's a player who disappears a lot,
but when he shows up he's decisive. Then I think it'
s going to give a lot ofcourage to my colta too. There'
s mestrosa, but I think theParty is in the middle of the camp.
I believe that if Santa Fe managesto overcome that barrier that Castro and
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Flores create accompanied after the three back, I think Santa Fe can find the
spaces. It' s very difficultnow. I didn' t even want
to think about the game, preparethe game surely tomorrow morning, because the
truth gives me a lot of anxietyand I' ve been more focused on
making you happy. Let' ssay these days to my son, to
my dad thinking about what the gamewill be and tomorrow I get judicious to
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analyze the game, but I thinkit' s going to be a game
in which Bucaramanga is going to defendhimself and because he defends himself very well.
Then you don' t have tobetray your idea either. And so
Santa Fe, let' s sayit' s not the team that attacks
the most. He attacks well,but he' s not the one who
attacks the most. Then you'll have to find the ways to get
there. And I would also liketo see more minutes yesterday are González,
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that this is a game that canbenefit Jerson González by speed, by one
by one. I imagine a GersonGonzález like the Docero who even did to
sell, because that one she lackedto take off her clothes in the campsite
and I hope that geerr are González, because there is a Gerson González who
is also sometimes apathetic, who entersand ignores the party. The necessary moments
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don' t come in, butthe gerson scorer in the game is a
tremendously unbalanced guy. We should seeif he gets that energy we saw in
Ibagueno. I hope, of course, that' s the pasadagra parala that
said full tomorrow at the campsite,as we talked about, and it'
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s also key. A man likeDaniel Torres, not a game to handle
time, to interpret, always tointerpret how to attack that defense. And
a man like that in the middleHoly faith Or is fortunate to count on
him today, no doubt, andnot just in the middle of what he
has done as a leader internally.There are many things that have happened thanks
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to Daniel in which the discourses havebeen changed, the ways to relate internally
to anais are secret that let's say that Eduardo Méndez' s forms
are not the most friendly. Butfrom the arrival of There was, from
the arrival neither the Torres, thathas changed much Santa Fe and that is
reflected. That' s why Ithink the value that Daniel Torres has in
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Santa Fe, Hay Roda arrives isbeyond sports, and that should be highlighted.
And so you have to make itknown, because those are the types
of leaders that raise the teams.Obviously, that must be added to it,
because marmolejo mosquito, so, myGod, if marmolejo mosquito, we
wouldn' t be here. I' m sure what last game was brilliant
or how expensive you win from it. What, what, what? You
' re such a horseman Nothing wasalready there. Yeah, I got rid
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of all those pods. Then Idon' t even know how to dress
my son. Yeah, it's super horsepower, that poor Chinese guy
wants to get to the stadium since2: 00 p m anxiety dies.
First, nothing to be with them, to share as far as I can,
so I allow my work and alreadyand to be a good match and,
hopefully, because we can celebrate.But I don' t have horses.
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It' s too much to havea face, it' s more
of mine, because he' sjust going to ask you if you'
re bufa or not bufa. Thefact that the players got into the players
the cha, got into the courtafter the game. Those images. They
' re strong, because then,if you get to the brutal one.
Of course I didn' t wantto talk much about the subject and in
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the program at night I have twofans of millionaires fucked me all week that
burned as I saw, that Idon' t know, but yes.
I think that celebrating ahead of time, because they are also new to that
then, of course it is understood, not clear, but I do think
that can be an important bufa.I wish sebastian. Thank you so much
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for this time you gave the viewerfor this talk and nothing much luck tomorrow
for Santa Fe at the end,no more missing when they want, when
they want to be here. Well, nothing to make him strong and we
must win that I hope he staysin Bogotá and that the boss of you
arrives on Monday very happy to theeditor of the spectator. That' s
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the one who' s suffering withSanta Fe. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that' s right. Thank you, Sebastian, thank you for a
hug that you are well. Then, well, everyone agrees that that game
is going to be duruguito or caramangaand now tarfurd is not asking me.
But more than horses, they're omens. You have, then,
more than a horse to hear omens. For example, I don' t
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like to premiere T- shirts inimportant games. I' d rather wear
it than the whole game, butit' s not like I have a
private one. But I don't like brand new shirts. I feel
like that doesn' t go withthe moment. I feel like it can
hurt. I don' t knowif it' s enough or not,
I really lost my remaining cauliflowers afterthat two thousand seventeen against millionaires, but
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we don' t have to doit with mystique, if we have to
get barefoot all to that stadium,because we do it, but with travento
and tidal. You have to fightthat ending and they snooped or didn'
t buff into the court. Idebate that this week, because that is
already the perception of everyone who sayssebastian. That' s right, they
' re neophytes. They had neverlived a party like that and without any
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doubt, because the holidays must beenjoyed what lasts, you have to enjoy
the road, because you don't know how to make the end and
we don' t know when Iwish to keep repeating it and to take
advantage of this stroke of luck toconsolidate the Bucaramanga level, but we don
' t know when they will begiven again. And I, though I
understand it might be Muffi and forif I were Santa Vez I' d
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be thinking a little differently. Butif you enjoy it, you never know
when to give those moments. Seventy- five years you' re on a
team that' s iconic. Youwere talking right now, the Pereira.
There that is a team that alsolasted many years in being champion. Bucaramanga
has had third positions, has playedfinals before the Colombian championship was defined in
a different way. Then they hadalready reached the finals the sixties later,
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in the seventies, achieved that runner- up against America, which is the
only final that has really had therunner- up. So, all the
hope that has been awakened around Bucaramangahas been quite important. It is understandable
all that fusivity emotions with which peopleassumed that party, how they jumped into
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the field and are living it asthey say an end, a true party
was what you live in Santander.Well, you don' t know how
long those pods last and when theyrepeat themselves. And I think both teams,
not to mention Bucaramanga alone, havetechnicians that motivate him to swell.
Your Amar is a very passionate technician. You can' t forget what he
did with Cali about three years ago. How he returned the perfume, of
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course, but he gave the motivationback to a team that was not either
and is not having a good timein fans such as Deportivo Cali, which
has not had a good time eitherbecause the handling, because it is questionable,
so they are leaving, transiting,not to stop being a public limited
company, of course and with therisk of the decline, which is an
important issue for this second semester.Important, also, keep in mind that
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you say of doubtmel a natural motivator, a coach with a very good ability
to wake up their teams. Then, perhaps the doubt is that it will
last so long in this Bucaramanga,as well as in Cali, that the
process ended makes a very explosive formin Venezuela. That' s how Pinto
wears the group like Pinto, likethe sinful one, because they have their
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peculiarities in the way they stand,but they are processes that usually reach a
roof and when they touch a roof, the next thing is to touch bottom,
of course, of course and whenthey are like this, explosives.
So motivators, because the panorama changes, Harto, we also talked about Perano,
that is, a different tesitura.It' s not like Sebastian said,
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Pablo Peyra is not a completely quietman, but he' s passionate.
She' s passionate and, aboveall else, understands what team she
' s leading, understands that SantaFe, understands what she was missing.
As Sebastian said, we came froma bit erratic technicians who couldn' t
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make a complete click or that wasmore the good and the bad than the
good, and there couldn' tbe a harmony in the whole environment of
what is Santa Fe and Peirano cameand connected a little bit from the root
and cured a little because there werethings to cure, there were relationships to
heal and motivated and had the advantagethat, as I said, institutionally sebastian.
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Things were done so that there wasa basic material with which to work
some key men who also understand whatSanta Fe is and and it got everything
in tune and we are included asa fan, we are in the same
tune and we are all looking forthe same. We' re letting it
happen that the ballot thing, thatI know that there were problems for the
last group, that with all theseproblems, but that' s the symptom
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of the same thing, it's a symptom that we all want to
be there. We' re allgoing for the same thing and I think
that this unit is something that SantaFe didn' t have a long time
ago and there was a very brutaldisconnect, at least since the pandemic that
was that parteaguas in the years sobad that there has been independent of Santa
Fe. Of course, some leaguetitles aquities that already as the last eight
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years star, achieved in two thousandsixteen, but the last title of Santa
Felina, not bad, was thesuper League of two thousand twenty- one.
No, she' s the onewho won America. That' s
right. And last League title twothousand sixteen, two against the Lima Sportsman,
of course, but and Pablo Peiranothat you said one thing very important
and it' s the issue thathe already knew what it was like to
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win in Santa Fe. He waspart of Gerardo Peluso' s technical corps.
Of course he won the South AmericanCup. And well, he'
s a coach who' s arrived. He changed Santa Fe' s face,
just as Dudamel changed Bucaramanga' sface. Of course you see that
for the finale. I think SantaFe has to look fast for the goal,
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but without failing in the defense orleaving many spaces the keys. See
how I see it, that's going to be an intense match.
They' re going out to bothteams not to negotiate half of them,
because they have the inflated shirt andbecause it has the support practically and I
repeat almost a whole country that wantsand is making the Bucaramanga strong. If
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probably, if the final wasn't against Santa Fe, I' d
be in that role, too.That plays a lot and just like we
did with the bitch we' reall doing with the bucaramagol they' re
doing. That' s gonna playa lot and they' re gonna come
out and not leave half a space. And Santa went out on the contrary.
He' s going out with anintensity, but he has to take
care of himself and not leave halfa space either. So it' s
going to be the game that's going to be too close, too
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much there' s not going tobe a half apex or a ball that
hasn' t been played in depth, and that' s what I think
is going to play a lot.He' s gonna play a lot of
physical. Santa Fe is a teamthat wears out and plays the wear,
chase every ball, chase, pushthe opposite territory. Then you also need
to see how the bucaramanga will respondamong a Santa Fe who will probably come
out to play with an energy fromwhom of a wounded lion to use that
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figure. Of course Santa Fe alsohas to appeal to that, to his
people, to his history. Togo back to the game we wanted for
bucaraman fans he' s going tohave here to invite them to JS Mantilla.
We' re waiting for the lastmoment to see if you can join
Huguito. Let' s go tothe conversation again, towards the Eurocup,
already to go towards the last minutesof this format of sports platform, because,
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as we had said from the beginning, the Eurocup begins today with the
match of Germany Scotland and it isdeveloping now until the next 14 July.
The groups of this Eurocup will bein Group A Germany, Scotland, Hungary,
Switzerland in Group B, Spain,Croatia, Italy, Albania, Negroup
C Slovenia, Denmark, Serbia andEngland in the group of Netherlands, Austria
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and France in Group E, Belgium, Slovakia, Romania, in Group F
Turkey, Portugal and Czech Republic.There are, according to the bookmakers,
ten favorites to win the Eurocup.The most is England, which we have
said later is in France, Germany, Spain, Portugal and Belgium. That
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is the six, and there aresome who say they will come from behind,
which are the Netherlands, Italy andthe two who could surprise them,
Denmark and Croatia. How do yousee those favorites. For me, as
I said at the beginning, inthat with Germany, not only because it
is the local, but because itseems to me that it has a sharp
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template that is enviable, clear andthat has a head that suddenly a head
with head. I mean the technicianwho suddenly makes a difference to the others.
Well, it' s a chamesdivider that Haya is world champion,
of course I understand. But ifwe stop Germany compared to England to put
up a confrontation that if I couldgive, then I, if I think
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Naggisman is more technical than sout Day, if I had the same opinion,
he missed the contract and really showednothing. That' s the big debt
you have to prove. No debtis this Eurocup, of course I say,
debt because it has a payroll toa combo that forces it to rise
to the height or in players youfinish the payroll of England, players like
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Saka Harry Kane. After insane,clar Rice Nobellingham, who can win gold
ball, you can' t passa player' s prime, a scorer
as terrible as Harry Kane, andnot take advantage of somehow not being fighting
some title. I don' tknow about being more prominent. They fought
the Europe passes, they reached thefinal and the tan in Wembley, of
course, but with greater reason.You can' t do that by having
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the primeo a player or so goodthat it' s like ripe fruit.
At any moment that race is comingdown and who starts to enter the sunset
of his career, right now isat one point is that he is a
goler or terrible in Germany, hewas in England, that is to say
two producers. It' s alucky thing. You can' t pass
players like that with Colombia. Reinaldowheels. Can' t you pass a
sit- in like that without youdoing something else or disputing someone proves why
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it' s the next process coming? It wasn' t a lack of
players, it wasn' t alack, it was a need to heal
things, the same figure who wastalking about what became Pirano Santa Fe.
Many things had to be healed andreconciled in order to rebuild a team in
agreement. Let us remember the formatof this euro that are twenty- four
teams that are divided into six groupsof four and the best two move on
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to the next phase and the fourthird women move on to the next round
already to go Hugo. There area number of things to look forward to
this weekend. The return to Colombiais one of them. Today the return
to Colombia begins with the prologue thatcan codict us seventy- four of that
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race. It starts on Macanal insouthern Boyacá. It' s a prologue
of seven four kilometers. The testis category Uc and two are a thousand
two hundred ninety- five kilometers thatwill be twenty- three of June and
will pass by Boyacá, by Cundinamarca, by Tolima, by Calda, curlar
agla Valle and Antioch is the returnto Colombia, our career mother. There
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will be one hundred and seventy-six cyclists who will take the game today
twenty- five teams and five ofthem foreign teams. Rodrigo Contreras contreritas.
The winner of tur Colombia, withouta doubt, is the man who will
be as favorite with the Nu tocontest this return to Colombia. We also
wanted to tell the entire audience ofthe viewer that today there could be NBA
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Boston Celtics champion from the science anda half night visited takes them to the
series three zero. It would normallybe Jason Tatum' s band, Jalen
Brown, Christoph by Singis Al Horfordand Dru Holedy to take the title on
the 18th of their story, whichwould make it the most winning franchise.
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There are also finals in the Women' s League. Yes, sir,
because the quadrangulars begin. Undoubtedly somegreat favorites that are distributed National Atlético in
Group A and America of Cali inGroup B. But we see a review
by the groups of what will beenjoyed in those quadrangulars. Group A,
as I said, Atlético Nacional opensit, is independent Santa Fe Alliance and
independent Medellín. Group B with CaliDeportivo' s America Cali was going to
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be almost colle caocano. Millonarios andLlanero is the first date that starts today
with Santa Fe residing in Bogotá,Atlético Nacional Independiente Medellin, tomorrow Saturday against
Alianza in Group B On Sunday at6 p m, Millonario welcomes America from
Cali here in Bogotá and Deportivo Caliagainst Llaneros tomorrow Saturday at 2 p m
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and finally, Colombia' s matchagainst Bolivia, after having won the United
States five to one, will bethe last game of preparation of the Colombian
team that will also be defined tomorrowthe final twenty- six. Two of
Néstor Lorenzo' s list and moreimportant news are discarded. It' s
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a time to talk about Santa Fe, but Millonarios has also moved the sports
agenda a lot with the theme ofincorporating ramel forcado garcía that seems to be
falling. The hours will pass andit will be seen if Huguito finally arrives.
Thank you very much for being heretoday in a sports forum, a
space for the spectator to talk aboutwhat we like the most. Keep an
eye on all digital content and theprinted newspaper of the viewer. And thank
(41:52):
you so much for being in thisparticu grandstand.
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