Joe Rogan Experience _2335 - Dr. Mary Talley Bowden(M4A_128K)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Jo podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Check it out The Joe Logan Experience, Trained My Day, Joe.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Rogan podcast, by Night, All Day. All right, Very nice
to meet you. I have I saw you on the
Danny Jones podcast, and I've read a lot of your
tweets and Twitter and just the the entire ordeal that
you've been through since the beginning of COVID, and so

(00:31):
I felt it could be very educational for people to
hear your perspective.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, I appreciate you continuing to talk about COVID because
I think a lot of people are sick of it.
I'm certainly ready to move on, but.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I am too. But it's just people need to make
sure this doesn't happen again.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Exactly, nothing's happened. Really, nothing's been corrected.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
No, not only has nothing been corrected. I was just
watching an argument on television where they were trying to
argue for were of vaccinating women who are pregnant.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Right, it's insane. I mean, there's a there's a golden
rule of pregnancy, right. You don't you don't experiment on
pregnant women. You don't experiment on an unborn child.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
You're not even supposed to eat sushi.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Exactly, right, But we're going to put this modified mRNA
technology into these women who you know, early treatment. We
have early treatment. COVID is no longer a threat we're dealing.
You know, at one point it was more than a cold,
but not now. Why in the world will we give
them to pregnant women or children?

Speaker 1 (01:35):
The only thing that makes sense is money, right, well,
an ego and ego meaning because they've already recommended it,
because they don't want to admit that it's not effective,
they don't want to admit their side effects.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
I mean, we have we have hard facts showing it
should be pulled off the market. I mean, any other
product would have been pulled a long time ago. If
this we're an antibiotic and we'd seen all the the
carnage from an antibody, it would have been yanked off
long ago. It should have been yanked off in the
first month. They're just there's no other explanation. Then there's

(02:09):
just there's fraud, there's corruption, there's ego, there's money. But
it's not science.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
No, And there's a lot of people that, for whatever reason,
they have this very rigid ideology that the pharmaceutical drug
companies are to be trusted, and we should trust the
science and at all these organizations, whether it's the FDA
or whatever it is, it's connected to these assertions. They

(02:35):
should be trusted, not just the average doctor who's talking
about these side effects and all these different things that
they're experiencing with their patients.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, I mean I trusted them when the pandemic started.
I mean I didn't think that the shots would work necessarily,
but I trusted them. I didn't think they were going
to hurt us.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Why didn't you think they would work.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Because they were rushed to the market. I knew the
flu shots were already if he were dealing with a
virus that mutates, We've never been able to vaccinate against
a cold, which you know, it's a rapidly mutating virus.
It's it's it's been tried before and it's failed.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
If you don't mind, please tell everybody what your background
is in medicine.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Uh yeah, I'm private practice, solo physician. I'm not head
of the Mayo Clinic. I'm just a you know, neighborhood
eurins and throat doctor that sort of got tangled up
in this inadvertently. And I always thought when the pandemic started.
I thought, well, this will be the hospital, This will
be a chaos in the hospitals. I never envisioned getting
wrapped up in this at all. I you know, I

(03:40):
trained at Stanford, and then I moved to Texas after residency,
and then I worked in a small private practice for
seven eight years. Then I started having a bunch of
children and I pretty much gave up medicine and I
took a seven year sabbatical. I wasn't even sure I
was going to go back, but then I just had
this itch that needed to be scratched, and I opened

(04:03):
up a solo practice six months before the pandemic started.
Oh boy, yeah what I know. Why Why did I
do it?

Speaker 1 (04:11):
You can't have it out, I know. Yeah, Well, sometimes
the universe has a calling for people.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
You know, it's been a very interesting journey.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
I mean, so take us through what happened with you
at the very beginning. Like, so, COVID starts making its
way across the world.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, So I had people coming in with respiratory tract
infections that were stubborn. They were not you know, the
typical colds. And there was all this news that there's
this virus from China. But you know, you watch something
on the news, you think, oh, you know, that's not
going to really affect me. But you know, I started
having more and more patients coming in, and at first
I really didn't know what to do. I just used

(04:54):
common sense. I mean, I treated the symptoms. I used
breathing treatments, I covered for secondary infection at the antibotics,
used steroids, that sort of thing, and I had success.
But I didn't have a lot of people, you know,
showing up at my doorstep treat me for COVID. But
I did start having people wanting to get tested. And
you might remember that Lab Core was the first lab

(05:14):
in the country to offer the test, and they just
got completely slammed. So it took two weeks to get
the results back. We were already working. I was already
working with a lab for patients with chronic signy ciitis
who they were doing a PCR testing for chronic signy sidis.
SO tests for bacterial and fungal infections of the sinuses.

(05:35):
It's called micro gen d X, and they came out
with a saliva test for COVID SO and we were
able to get the results back the next day. So
I started offering that, and my little clinic exploded because
and I'm located in a strip mall, which is is
very purposeful. I'm very close to the medical center, which
is you know, to get your doctor's office, it's a

(05:56):
ten minute navigation of the parking garage. There another ten
minute walk to the office. And so I was trying
to locate my office where it was very easy to
get in and out of. And then that served me
very well during the pandemic because with these saliva tests,
you could just take the cup to somebody's car, they
could spit in the cup, they could leave it outside.

(06:16):
It was contact free, you didn't have to shoved up
your nose, and then we got the results back the
next day. And so that sort of made me put
me on the map in my little neighborhood. And then
I started tracking you know who when the vaccines came out,
I started tracking who was positive, you know, by their
vaccination status, and so I started noticing that the vaccine

(06:37):
wasn't working, and that's sort of what got me in trouble.
I also started giving monoclonal antibodies and I didn't ration them.
So I became known in town as the place you
could get monoclonal antibodies without you know, having to pass
you know, being a certain race or certain age or yeah,
that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
What do you think that was all about.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, I don't know. Colonel. Antibodies is very frustrating to me.
They worked very well. They were not controversial. People would
turn around the next day. But when they first came out,
I could get as many doses as I wanted. I mean,
they show up at my doorstep the next day and
it was great. I mean that also sort of put

(07:19):
me on the map with COVID and then I didn't
even use ivermectin until the government took over a distribution
of monoclonal antibodies, and then it became harder and harder
to get them, and that's when I turned to ivermectin.
But you know, in my opinion, they did that on purpose.
They did that to encourage people to take the COVID shot.
It was very orchestrated if you look at the timing

(07:41):
the you know, in March, the government put out the
big information on ivermectin and why you should not take
it for COVID. They put that on the FDA's website
at the same time, they launched COVID nineteen Community Corps,
and this was April first, twenty twenty one. This was
an eleven point five billion dollar slush fund to propaganda,

(08:05):
to you know, feed out propaganda and censor people. And
the day that they launched the COVID nineteen Community Corps
was the same day that Houston Methodist, which is where
I had privileges, they mandated the COVID shots for all
their employees and they were the first in the country.
And that's sort of how I got tangled up in

(08:27):
all this because I had privileges there, and then I
was actually working with them. I was doing research with them,
I was sharing my data with them to try to
get it published. But then I started questioning, you know,
the the vaccine and how it wasn't working. I brought
it to their attention first, and they gas lipped me.
They just said, well, it's just it lowers severity. And

(08:49):
when they when they ignored me, then I started speaking
out on social media and that's how that's what got
me in trouble. But so that summer twenty twenty one,
that's where the third and the largest surge of the
pandemic started. And this was after the rollout of the
wonderful COVID shots that which were promised to stop transmission
and prevent death and obviously didn't, and the government was

(09:13):
getting frustrated, so they doubled down on their ivermectin attack.
And this was into August twenty twenty one. They put
out the infamous horse tweet said seriously, y'all, you're not
a horse, you're not a cow. Stop it. A tweet
went viral. It had dire consequences in my opinion. And
then they approved, They fully approved the COVID shot, and

(09:36):
then Biden mandated for employers with one hundred more employees
and that was right when they took you down. So
it was all very coordinating. Oh and then the final
straw was taking away monoclonal antibodies.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Said so yeah, that was the more fascinating thing about
it to me is I listed a bunch of different
things that I took, including monoclonal antibodies, but they only
concentrated on ivermectin. But the way they did it was
like so transparently changing the color of my face on
CNN and everywhere, this concerted effort to call it horse

(10:12):
d wormer. It was They just tried to make it
look as preposterous as possible without ever explaining that it's
been used more than multiple billions of times prescribed to
human beings.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, I mean they branded you. When I think of you,
I think of that that picture of you where you're
slightly green. I honestly yeah. But ivermectin. I was nervous
about using it because of all the hype and because
mountoclonel work on it, because mountic clonals worked so well.
I was like, well, this is not going to live.

(10:45):
You know, this is not going to work. I was nervous.
But the first thing I did was dug into the
safety and anybody could do that, which is a minimal
amount of effort. You can go to the FDA website
and you can find a toxicity data on ivermectin, and
there's something called the LD f fifty lethal dose fifty,
which is it's a benchmark number that gives you an
idea of how toxic a medication is. And LV fifty

(11:07):
means how many animal fifty what dose would kill fifty
percent of lab animals. So for ivermectin, it kind of
depends on the rat I mean, the type of animal
and the gender. But it's basically ten miligrams per kilogram
up to eighty miligrams per kilogram. So for COVID we're
using point four miligrams per kilogram. So I knew that

(11:29):
we were not worried about, you know, killing people with it.
And then I did a liture search and I looked
for accidental intentional overdoses for ivermectin, and I couldn't find
a single study, whereas you do that for tile ANDOL,
I mean thousands, thousands of reports. So once I knew
it was safe, then I started using it, and then
I found it worked, and then yeah, all in all,

(11:50):
I treated well over six thousand patients and everybody that
got early treatment stayed out of the hospital. I also
had patients come in that were really sick in the
second week, and that that was such a learning experience
for me because normally, if somebody walked into my office
with an oxygen saturation in the low eighties, I would

(12:11):
call an ambulance. But I had patients who would refusing
to go to the hospital, and I had to give
them the option to possibly die in my office, which
is scary, but we saved them. I mean we just
threw the kitchen sink at them. And we didn't have
monoclonal antibodies, so we did. We brought them in every day.

(12:31):
We did IV steroids, we did ivy antibiotics, we gave
them home oxygen, we gave them high dose of ibormectin.
We did everything we could, and it was amazing. I mean,
they survived. It was very gratifying.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
So you think it was probably a combination of all
the different medications and all the different treatments.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
I would vary my approach depending on the severity the comorbidities.
I mean, it's it's an art, not a you know,
a protocol is a guideline, right, but every patient is
sort of individual, and so for the patients. You know,
the one patient I'm thinking of, I mean, he had
history of two heart attacks, he had a history of
throat cancer. He came in with an oxygen level it

(13:09):
was below eighty. I can't remember exactly what it was,
but I mean so I just did everything, you know,
I took everything that I could and gave it to him,
and it worked. And I had a few people like that.
But you know, the if you know, a twenty year
old came in I'd probably just give him some ivermectin.
And you know, it just depends.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Why did you decide to try ivermectin even though there
was all this negative propaganda.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Well, because I had patients coming to see me who
needed help. I mean, I just wasn't going to shut
my door. I'd already established I could help people with
monocoling antibodies. So I still had people coming to me
seeking help, and I just didn't have the heart to
say no. And I knew it was safe. So I
knew that, you know, it was a little bit iffy,
but I knew it was safe and there was good
data showing it worked. It's just, you know, one thing,

(13:54):
you can find a study to support any argument you
want in medicine. I learned that in residency. All residents
learned in that. We have we have something called journal
Club where you sit down once a week and you
pour through different articles. And the takeaway is most articles
are you know, crap. They're not. They're not they're low power,
or their their conflicts of interest, or you know, they're not,

(14:18):
they're designed poorly. So you know, my mindset coming into
the pandemic was, you know, the research, the journals are
a starting point, but it's not the final say, is
your your own clinical experience and what you're seeing. And
you know, we had never seen COVID before. This is
a brand new entity, so we were learning on the fly.

(14:41):
But you know, I've never treated this many patients with
a single disease in my career. I'm sure I never
will again. And so you quickly become an expert. And
you know, doctor, I can't speak for all doctors, but
we like to do well. We like our patients to
get better. It's gratifying, that's how it's sort of how
you get job satisfact actions seeing your patients do well.

(15:02):
So why would I, you know, continue to have you know,
COVID patients come in if I couldn't help them. And
it's astounding to me that the doctors in the hospitals
just didn't pivot, didn't try new things. And I guess
they were handcuffed by you know, the hospital administrators. But
it just seems to me that, you know, there was

(15:25):
a doctor in Houston, Joe Verone, who I'm pretty good
friends with, who is a critical care doctor, and he
was one of the founders of FLCCC, which is sort
of the they developed the original protocols for ivor mecton
and doctor Verone had much better success than most other doctors.
His overall success rate was four point four percent of

(15:45):
his patients died, whereas in other hospitals averaged around twenty percent.
And he did he threw the kitchen sink at at people,
and he basically followed this FLCCC hospital protocol.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
So and the monocultal antibodies were suppressed. What was the
messaging like, what did they say to doctors?

Speaker 2 (16:08):
They said that the strain of the virus was no
longer covered, so that it had evolved and it wouldn't work.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
But at the same time, they using the exact same
vaccine exactly.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
And they had switched the monoclonal antibodies periodically, so it
wasn't like they started with one and stuck with it, say,
the whole time. They switched it as things evolved.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
But it was really clear, and the propaganda was shocking
because we've all seen propaganda with foreign conflicts, weapons of
mass destruction, all that jazz. We've all seen propaganda. But
when Rolling Stone magazine printed an article saying that people
were the hospitals were overflowing, with people overdosing on ivermectin

(16:51):
and gunshot victims couldn't get in. And then they used
a stock photo which was of a bunch of people
wearing winter coats and like, I think it was I
think the article was August in Oklahoma. Like the whole
thing was. It was so brazen and sloppy and obvious,

(17:11):
especially in the age of Google. If this had all
gone down in the nineteen eighties, we would all be
in the dark. We'd have no idea we would have won, Like, wow,
I guess the ivormaxican's killing people. We wouldn't have known
until like twenty thirty. You know, people would have like,
you have been a conspiracy theorist. You've been a crazy person,
like one of those people that could tell you all
the facts about the Kennedy assassination and with wild eyes

(17:34):
all over Stone, you know. But it was so obvious
and it was so confusing because you know, I had
had people on my podcast before where you know, I
had a doctor son and I talk about foolish people
that don't believe in traditional medicine, like people that want
to try different things, Like are you people that were
anti vaccine or anti anything like these are the best

(17:56):
people at the front of the line. Trust them. Yars later,
I'm like, don't trust anybody. They're all compromised. It's all money.
And that was the most disheartening thing. The propaganda was disheartening,
but it was that the whole system is compromised. And
then when I found out that pharmaceutical drug companies are
they're the ones that are funding studies, and that they

(18:19):
could have a whole ton of studies. They don't have
to divulge all the data from their studies. They only
have to show you some studies that were carefully crafted
to show efficacy. But all the other studies that they
had that even showed negative effects, they could bury those
they didn't have. They weren't held responsible. I was like,
what is this? Like, what is this? It's but it's
like everything in the world when money gets involved.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
You know, that rolling Stone tweet is still up. I
found it yesterday.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Wild look at that. Look at these people wearing winter coats.
So apparently this was a bunch of people that were
waiting in life for the flu shot gun shot victims.
All those people got shot. The luck that's going on
in Oklahoma, they're just shooting folks. They think it's the
wild West out there. Imagine if those were all gunshott.
But look how crazy that article is or that tweet

(19:10):
is gunshot victims left waiting as horse de Wormer overdoses
Overwhelmed Oklahoma. By the way, zero horse de Wormer's there. Zero, Well,
it was a total lie.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well in a you know, even last Friday, Vanity faired
and article on Maha and Callie means, and they quoted
me in it and in the you know, in their
description of me is horse de Warmer could not still
Catherine Ebon, the reporter for van she buddied up to

(19:44):
me actually, like we were good friends.

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Speaker 2 (21:12):
I learned a valuable lesson.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
It's so dirty. It's such a dirty business. God is
have massive respect for journalists. If I had never done
this podcast, I'd be your regular schmo out there with
you know, just spitting out all the company lines that
all the blast all over the news. I kind of
liked it better then.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
It's a lot easier. Ignorance is bliss.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
I didn't think the world was filled with demons, money
hungry demons that are willing to sacrifice human lives in
the pursuit of revenue. Crazy.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
That's why we have to continue this fight, because people
have lost all trust with good reason.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
With good reason, that's why I'm having you on. That's
why I continue to talk to people the COVID Already,
I get it, folks. If this is not for you,
move on, Mary, and I will still be about this
for the next three years. Well, you know, for me,
it was just it was such a wake up call
because it's so weird to see your face on TV Green.
First of all, that was weird, and then this term

(22:11):
horsty warmer. I'm like, why you guys aren't concentrating the
fact that a fifty five year old man is fine
three days later during the worst strain. It was during
the delta where everybody's freaking out, this one's gonna kill
us all. And I was fine in three days and
I made this video. I'm like, I'm sorry, I have
to cancel the concert this weekend. You know, got COVID,
but I'm good now. And then that I had, I

(22:34):
didn't think that was gonna be anything. I thought that
was just gonna be the people that bought tickets to
see Dave Chappelle and I in New Orleans, and that
was gonna bears at Nashville wherever it was. That's all
it was gonna be. Those folks. They're gonna be upset.
I'm sorry. You know, we'll make it up to you.
You tickets still count. That's all I thought it was
gonna be. I thought it was gonna be like a
normal tweet that I put out, or a normal Instagram

(22:54):
post that I pull out put out. And then all
of a sudden, I hear that Neil Young wants to
be moved from Spotify. I was like, what the fuck
is going on? This is crazy. Spotify got calls from
two former presidents.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Really, oh yeah, what about platform? Did you get censored.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Or d platform? Two million subscribers in a month. I
did because because people started listening, because it's they made
it sound like I was this maniac, and they started
listening like, oh, he's really reasonable and pretty humble about
all this stuff, just asking questions and bringing people on
like doctor Robert Malone, who has nine patents in the

(23:35):
invention of m RNA vaccine technology, Like he's one of
the he took it himself. He was reporting his insane
adverse side effect where he almost died. He was telling
about it, and they labeled him a kook for that and.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
What made you so awake?

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Though, Well that just that, No, Well Malone, Peter McCullough,
But I've always been the type of person that is like,
if someone is saying something and they have rock solid connect,
doctor Peter McCullough is the most published physician in his
field in human history, Like, this is an incredibly well

(24:14):
respected doctor up until he took a moral and ethical
stand saying that this is not what they're saying, this
is not what we should be doing, and then destroyed.
They tried to destroy his career. It's insane. But the
man has incredible courage and he was labeled all when
I would tell people he's the most published physician in

(24:35):
time that you'd see their eyes glazeo, like they didn't
want to hear it. I'm like, maybe he's right. Well
five years later, we know he's right. We know he
was right. He was right all along, I mean the whole.
So for me, when there's there's always a bunch of
people that are ideologically or financially captured, and then there's

(24:55):
people that feel morally obligated to tell the truth, and
you can spot those people. And when I spotted a
few of them, like okay, let me hear him out,
I might be the guy that goes, no, this guy's
a kook and he's going to cost people lives. Or
I might be someone who go, hey, everybody hit the brakes,
like you might be getting bamboozled here. And especially the

(25:16):
real concern with any sort of a new drug is
always the side effects. But when you have indemnity, when
you have complete immunity for any financial liability, like the
vaccine manufacturers do, and all you have do is label
it a vaccine, because that's not a traditional vaccine. It's
just not they change the definition for mRNA vaccine technology.

(25:40):
Before that, it was not that, it was a very
different thing we all had in our head. Vaccines are good.
That's why they don't get sued because we need vaccines,
you know. And then then unfortunately I read Royer F.
Kennedy Junior's book The real. Anthony Faucier was like, oh
my god.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Did you what was your initial thought about the COVID shot?
What was your mind to take it? Did you take it? No?

Speaker 1 (26:03):
I didn't take it, but that's why they were so
mad at me. I was ready to take it. I
the UFC had allocated shots for all the Johnson Johnson,
for all their employees, and I showed up there on
a Saturday, which was the day of the fights, and
I said, can you give it to me? And they said, yeah, sure,
let's call the doctor will set it up. I thought
I was going to get a shot. I thought it

(26:24):
was like a flu shot, Like I'll get that shot
and I'll go do the broadcast. I was going to
do the broadcast. I didn't take anything of it. I
was not worried about it at all. And they said, no,
you have to come to the clinic and do it.
Could you do that on Monday? And I said I can't,
but I'll be back in two weeks. During the time
that I was trying to get it, and then in
two weeks later when the next fights were it got
pulled from the market because of blood clots. And then

(26:46):
two people I knew had strokes, and I was like,
hold the fuck up. And then I got real nervous
because there was a lot of family members that were like,
really pushing it. You need to get vaccinate. Everyone should
have you got vaccinated, get vaccinated. We all need to
do our part. We all need to get vaccinated. And
you know, then I became a heretic. Then I was like, Okay,
I don't think I want to do. And I had

(27:08):
a bunch of friends that had horrible side effects, including
one of them who is a young guy who was
a pacemaker. Now his heart stopped beating for like nine
seconds at a time and he would black out. It
was wild. Shit was happening. And I was like, I
don't understand why this isn't on the news. I don't understand.
And then I'm like, oh my god, I'm the news.

(27:30):
I'm like I have to be the news. I don't
want to be the news. I like talking shit. I
like having a bunch of comedians here. We have laughs,
we get silly, you know, have a few drinks, watch
some funny videos, crack each other, have fun or scientists.
I like to have fascinating people in here. Tell me
how the cosmos was formed? I'm not. I don't want
to be someone who distributes information to the masses. It's

(27:50):
been lied to. That's not I don't have any lofty
goals like that, like I want to be the I
want to be the one tells the truth, and that's
not what I do. I'm just a curious person who
talks to people.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Was it hard for you to get ivermectin.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
No, I got it from India like that. I got
boxes of it. I was handed it out to.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Everybody, I think, to India to get their medicines in
the US.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Well, that was after my doctor had got it for me.
My doctor got it for me. I think I fucked
it up for everybody. I think me becoming the attack
boy when they went after me. I don't think they
would have attacked anybody that didn't have a large platform
like that, and I don't think they would. I should
say it better, I should. I don't think they would attacked
ivermectin the way they did. I think they would have
just suppressed it and it wouldn't have been a public

(28:35):
thing because it wouldn't have got out. I think the
problem was me saying that. The thing. The crazy thing
is I said all that other stuff too, I said,
ivy vitamins, I said u z pak pred in his zone.
I told them all the things my doctor put me on,
and all they concentrated on was this ivermectin thing. I
was like, this is wild, Like what is going on? Yeah?

(28:57):
And then I was like, am I wrong about ivermecta.
Then started just reading about the scientists to the team
that invented it and how they want a Nobel prize.
I'm like, Okay, what the hell is happening? Like this
is nuts, this is so weird.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Well, it was all part of the you know, getting
the shot in every arm, and that's they had to
go after ivermectin. I mean, they launched a war on ivermectin.
Pierre Corey wrote a book about it.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yes, I had on early on too.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah yeah, And I actually sued the FDA over that
horse tweet and we won. It hasn't really changed anything.
But so the FDA when they put that information or
misinformation out against ivermectin, they were really crossing a line
because they're not allowed to tell the public you can't
take a medication for this, or you should take a

(29:46):
medication for that. They're basically allowed to just approve medications
and move on. I mean, they can issue a safety
alert if there's something that comes up, but they're not
allowed to really direct patients. And that's what they did,
and so we did sue them, and we won and
they had to take down the horse tweet and they
had to take down the misinformation on their website. But unfortunately,

(30:10):
as you know evidenced by what just happened on Vanity Fair,
I mean, the brand of it being only for animals
still lives on. And you know, it'd be great what
happened at Vanity Fair. So the reporter still used the
term horse, right right, yeah, wild right, wild?

Speaker 1 (30:27):
You're you're still a little horse? Do you weever pusher
in twenty twenty five? Right right, well, when Chris Cuomo
is out there talking about how he's taking it for
long covid, right right.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
But we would would be great if the FDA could
issue some sort of statement, you know, saying that it
is safe that it is used in humans. They don't
have to say much more than that, but you know,
we could use a little help in rebranding ivermectin. And
there are also a bunch of states that are trying
to make it over the counter. I'm not sure if
you've seen that.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yes, I have.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Seventeen states have had in the last legislative session trying
to get ivermectin over the counter. Three have been successful,
so Tennessee, Idaho, and Arkansas four. There is still in
deliberations and ten they failed. But another thing the FDA
I believe should do is make ivermectin over the counter

(31:19):
because people are basically going to the feed store. I mean,
my own kid, he had some sort of scabies situation
in West Texas over the weekend. He had to go
to the feed store to get treatment. And I did
a pull on Twitter. Fifty two percent of the respondents,
so they go to the feed store to get their ivermectin.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Is there any difference in the ivermectin from the feed store.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
I don't know. I mean, I haven't heard of anybody
having issues. But it's just unnecessary. This is America. We
should be able to get the medication very easily.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
And there is some sort of an efficacy for some
sort of skin infections. Is that true?

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Scabies is one of them.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, but you use it topically? Is that how it's worth?

Speaker 2 (31:57):
You can I mean for scabies actually you can take
it oral, okay. But yeah, so we shouldn't have to
go to India. We shouldn't have to go to the
feed store. We should be able to go to I
mean in Mexico from India.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
He still emails me you needed me more, my friend.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
I don't know. That kind of worries me, because you just.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I just bought boxes. I was handed out boxes to
people because so many people were telling me they couldn't
get it right, and so I'm like, let me just
get a lot of it while I still can.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's it's probably fine, but.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
It's just people giving it to me at shows.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Oh, they were as gifts. I carry around my purse.
I like ginge for something. Oh, here's my iromactin.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Oh. I know people that take it as a prophylactic
all the time. Yea, which is so it's just what
a weird drug to go after. That was on the
World Health Organization's list of essential medicines. Yeah, and how
many people who had yellow fever and all river blindness,
all sorts of different parasitic infections.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
It won a Nobel Prize.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
And it showed that it stopped viral replication in vitro.
They knew that. I remember when I brought that up
to Sanjay Koopda, it was like, but you know it
does right And you can see the look on his
face where it's like I could He couldn't talk about it.
He had to got skirt around it and just do
his best to But it was like, this is kind
of crazy to make an off label medication so taboo,

(33:19):
and then to stop monoclonal antibodies just stopped them where
you couldn't get My friend, one of his buddies was
in the hospital and because he was in the hospital,
they wouldn't give him moniclonal antibody.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Oh yeah, if you cross that threshold, you were not
going to get monoclon antibodies.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
What is that about it? Does that make any sense?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Well, they did it by the day. Apparently there was
some data showing if you gave it too late in
the time course, it actually makes things worse.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
People did they give it to if that were too late?
How do we know this?

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Suspicious?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
It does seem suspicious because like, why if something if
you've shown something to be very effective done early on,
wouldn't you assume it would continue to be somewhat effective.
Right now, if you're trying to stop someone is on
the brink of death, which this gentleman what up dying
and they didn't get it to them. If you're just
trying to stop and you can't do it because you're

(34:12):
in the hospital because you're admitted, yeah you should have
like crazy data that shows like after fourteen your feet
fall fourteen days of infection, your feet fall off, you
go blind. If you take it, can't give it to you.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
And my theory is they probably had a massive inflammatory
response because we would see that the people would get
the monocle on antibodies and they would just feel like
complete hell that night because it was like a little
war going on in the body, and then they would
wake up the next day feeling great. I don't know
if you had that experience.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
But yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
So you know, the second week of illness was the
massive inflammatory response. So my thinking is the monocl antibodies
may have just exacerbated that, but they could have counteracted
that with high dose steroids. And that was another thing.
They gave these like pidly doses of steroids in the.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Hospital and what stories in particular.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Methyl pregnance alone or solumeedrol was what we typically used
if we were.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
In what I took the same thing.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, well, pregno zones and oral there are different types,
but like I usually do a medrol dose pack rather
than pregnozone because it's been shown to help better with
respiratory It's not a huge deal. But in the hospitals
they could give slumedrol and high doses of that, but
they were giving very small doses of steroid, which is
a problem.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Hmmm.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Interesting, Well that's that's also one of the things that
they talked about in the RFK junior book was that
the studies that were saying that it was ineffective, the
studies were not using the protocol that these doctors were using,
and it seemed like these studies were designed.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
To fail exactly exactly. And you know, like I said,
you can find a study to support or go against
anything you want basically, So I just relied on my
clinical experience, and I just had so many people saying it, Wow,
it really made a big difference, and I saw people
staying out of the hospital and it wasn't hurting anybody.
So but yeah, a lot of those studies were basically

(36:10):
designed to fail either you know, the dose wasn't high enough,
or they gave it too late, or it was heavily
funded by somebody that doesn't want it to succeed.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, it's it's all very bizarre. Like really, it's really
bizarre to live through. And for you as a person
who was out of medicine and then said jump back
in six months before all this, Like what is it
like to have your world view sort of like spun
around like that.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, it's just I mean it's good and bad. Like
I feel sorry for the people that don't get it
in a lot of ways. But I just never thought
it would come to all this. You know, I didn't
go back to work to have a huge, huge career.
I was just basically trying to stay busy and you know,
active and help people. Yeah, and but I didn't envision

(36:59):
this at all. It's been very impactful, I'll say that.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, what has it been like like having having to
do this.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, it's it's wild. Yeah, it's not what I envisioned
at all, but it's been you know, I feel vindicated finally,
at least I'm not embarrassed to go to the school
functions anymore or show up at the sporting events or
you know, I used to be scared to go to
the grocery store because they just they came after me
so hard. In Houston. I mean, Houston Methodist Hospital is

(37:35):
sort of the country club, you know, the elite of
the hospitals, and so for the for them to come
after me, it was a big deal. It's hard to
get privileges there.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
You know.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
They their tagline is leading Medicine, and they were very
proud of being the first hospital in the country to
mandate the shots. Uh, they didn't need to go after me.
I mean I was nothing. I was, you know, I
saw a lot of COVID patients, but the grand scheme
of things, so I really wasn't you know, I was
not really doing anything.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
It's the Stris effactory. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They attacked you,
and by doing so, they made the whole thing way
bigger than it needed to be.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
But they did silence other doctors. I mean I hear
from doctors all the time and that won't say anything
because of what they did to me.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
M hmm. Yeah. No, there's a lot of doctors that
I know that were in danger of losing their license
because they had prescribed ivermectin.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
And that was another thing. You know, the the Federation
of State Medical Boards, which is this private entity they're
actually located in Texas, who oversees all the state medical boards.
They sent out a directive to all the state medical
boards concerning ivermecton, concerning misinformation and basically encouraging the medical

(38:48):
boards to go after doctors like myself. And I mean,
I'm still I'm still tangled up with the medical board
trying to clear my name. But they did that.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
All had happened in that fall of twenty twenty one,
right when Biden mandated the shots. They really came down
hard on the doctors.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
So what did they do specifically to you?

Speaker 2 (39:11):
So I got several complaints, but only one of them
is really stuck. The others I've cleared my name on,
but they were all involving ivermecton, no patient harm. The
one that has stuck is from a hospital in Dallas
called Texas Hugley Hospital, and there was may at a
sheriff's deputy, father of six who's basically dying. They were

(39:33):
talking hospice and his wife wanted him to have the
opportunity to try ivermecton, and he had tried to get
it before getting in the hospital and couldn't find a
doctor willing to prescribe it. So wife knew he was
okay with it, and so she sued the hospital and
then she asked me to come on as sort of
the expert. They had to have a hospital, they had
to have a doctor who was willing to prescribe it,

(39:54):
because they can't force the doctors to prescribe a medication,
but they could force the hospital to give a doctor
privileges who was willing to prescribe it. So that's where
I came in and we won the case, and the
hospital had a court order saying that they were going
to give me emergency temporary privileges so that they could
go into the hospital and give him ivermectin. Well, there

(40:16):
was all this stall tactics. They were supposed to give
me the privileges the same day, and in other circumstances
at that time because of the pandemic, they were giving
doctors same day privileges. It wasn't this lengthy application process
because there was a shortage of doctors. But for me,
they made me submit my surgical case log for the

(40:37):
last three years. They maybe get three letters of recommendation.
They made me fill out like a thirty page application.
I got it all done in twenty four hours. And
then they're like, no, no, we're not We're actually going
to deny you privileges. So it turned out into this
big battle and it became very confusing because they had
to go back to the judge and I finally got
the green light. Though the lawyer's like, we can go.

(40:59):
You've got the green light the judge, we got the order.
There's no stay on the order. I sent a nurse
to the hospital because this is in Dallas and I'm
in Houston. Shows up with the court order and the
police greet her and turn her away. There's not a
big scene. She leaves, but she's not allowed to give
him my vermactin. It turns out they did get a stay,

(41:19):
but our lawyers weren't aware of it at the time.
But this is what they're going after me. They said
that I sent a nurse to the hospital without privileges
and I caused a scene, and I am you know,
I harmed other patients by doing this, and it has
been I means three and a half years. They can't
find an expert witness to testify against me. There have

(41:40):
been three continuances. They finally were awarded summary judgment against me.
So I'm already they've decided I'm guilty and now I'm
waiting for my punishment. There was a hearing about a
month ago to find out you know what they're going
to find me with and that sort of thing, and
I'm just waiting on that, but I do plan on appealing.

(42:01):
It's just gotten crazy.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Wow. So the first thing they attacked you with was
what what was the first one.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Ye for the medical board?

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yes, I had.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
I had one pharmacist turned me in because we sort
of gotten a pissing match on the phone, and the
uh that might have been I can't remember. But around
that time I had another. I had a father reach
out to me. You're a seventeen year old had history
of a kidney transplant and they were going to Europe

(42:39):
and they wanted to have ivermectin just in case he
got sick. And I was talking to the dad and
the stepmother. I didn't realize I wasn't talking to the mother,
so the mother found out. I prescribed him ivermectin. And
turned me in. But ivermectin is metabolized by the liver,
not the kidney, so it would be no harm for

(42:59):
him to get I was having had a kidney transplant
for him to get iram actin and he never took
the medicine. But it cost me sixteen thousand dollars in
legal fees to get that straightened out.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
So this was your first experience, like, oh my god,
this is a real battle. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I've never been in any trouble.
I've never been sued.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Did it? Would it feel weird publicly? Yet? Like like
when you when you were saying you were having a
hard time going to the grocery store, You're worried.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
That was when Methodists came after me.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
So Methodists they came after you very publicly.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, they tweeted about me, they went to that. I
found out that my privileges were suspended from a text
message from a reporter. That's how I found out. I
looked at it that I was like, what are you
talking about? I did? I said, check your sources. I
don't know what you're talking about. And then I go
to my email and they suspended me. And then they
tweeted about it, and it went you know, I had CNN,
Washington Post going after me. It was it was it

(43:55):
was traumatic. I mean I was just a you know,
a mom of four with a small practice, and all
of a sudden, I've got CNN calling me.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Wow, So what did what was going through your mind?
Why that was happening.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Spent the weekend in the fetal position and a lot
of tears, and then I was like, I was pissed,
and I just on Monday, you know, I hired a
lawyer and I hired a guy to help me with
the press, and I held a press conference on Monday.
I resigned and then I seed them so and then
I just have been working to try to clear my name.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Wow. Well, it's just it's so hard to imagine for
someone who's never experienced what you went through, what that
must be like emotionally, to just get thrown to the
wolves in front of the world, like publicly by people
like CNN like where it gets so weird because if

(44:56):
that never happens to you, you look at CNN and
you go, oh, they're the news. They're going to tell
me the truth. That's what I thought. I just automatically
thought that, or they're at least saying what they're allowed
to say. Maybe the government holds back some information, but
they're not gonna lie. And then I you see my
own self on TV, and I'm sure, but I'm used
to being there attacked for things.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I think the harder was you know, CNN whatever. But
it's more just the locally, like going to the grocery store,
going to the baseball game where your kids playing, and
like helping, you know, sitting in a corner because you
don't want anybody to see you.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Did anybody ever bother you.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
No, honestly no, But you just feel self You just
feel very self conscious. It's hard not to. Even now,
I still feel self conscious, but it's a lot better.
I mean, uh yeah, I had a Mother's Day event
of school and people actually came up and said nice
things to me for once, so that.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Was well, that was nice. Well, a lot of people
got red pilled, you know, to use the matrix expression,
you know, where they woke up to what's really going
on during I mean, it's kind of a masterful job
of propaganda over the years that the pharmaceutical drug companies
have done. I mean, because most people aren't even aware
of how many drugs get pulled. They're not aware of

(46:08):
the high percentage of them. What is it in the thirties.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Well, yes, about thirty three percent. They looked at it
over ten years. Thirty three percent had significant safety warnings
on the drugs and it took about four years for
those to become recognized. I mean they're drugs I used
to prescribe. They're no longer on the market. I mean
so yeah, like I said, it would have been any
other drug would have definitely been pulled by now based

(46:33):
on all the adverse events we've seen.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
But it's just very profitable. And that's what people have
to wake up to. There's a bunch of factors, right.
There's the primary one, which is a bunch of scientists
that are really trying to help people, and they're really
trying to develop new ways to cure Parkinson's and all
sorts of other problems and cancer. And these people are

(46:56):
just constant. And then there's the money people, the money
people who take that thing and say, how do we
give oxyconton to everybody? And then you have the Sackler family. Right,
you have evil, you have like actual evil. Maybe they
don't have horns. Maybe they don't have a forktail, but
that's a demonic thing to do. You're you're you're you're
infecting people with essentially something that turns them into a

(47:17):
zombie and it's killing people. But you're gonna make a
lot of.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Money in health too, Especially in health, well, it's.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Because you're trusted, You're coming from a position of authority.
It's a very different thing, you know, especially in an
area where most people are woefully ignorant. I mean, look
how many doctors who are practicing doctors who are woefully
ignorant about nutrition. It's an enormous amount right now. Imagine

(47:44):
the average person who has to go to a specialist
about something and they're being told, oh, you need yox.
This is this thing I'm going to give you and
it's going to cure your arthritis, like, oh great, and
then you fucking stroke out. And the people who made
that drug knew it was going to cause problems in people.
They in the emails that were admitted during the hearings

(48:06):
when they lost or during the corporateceedings, they wound up
paying a fraction of what they made. They made like
twelve billion dollars they had to pay I think they
had to pay five, so they made seven, you know,
with you know, it's costs stuff, stuff costs money. But Jesus,
it's it's so hard. It's so hard to wake up
to that. It's so hard to like go, wait, so

(48:30):
they're not looking out for us, They're not like trying
to make us better. I always thought they were the
people that were the most wonderful people in the world.
They're the people that are providing the medication that's keeping
everyone alive. This is why our life expectancy is one
hundred years old now as opposed to just twenty years ago,
Like oh.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Great, expectancy has gone down.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Actually whoops, whoops.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Fight all the vaccines. Yeah, yeah, and vaccines are even
their own special class, right. It's the Gospels of religion.
It's a gospel. I mean, it was never questioned in
my training. Never.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
I would have never questioned it. Not only that I
would not talk to anybody who did. I'd be like,
get out of here. I'm not having an ani vaxxer
on the show. Fuck off. But after reading Suzanne Humphrey's
book and I had her on recently, reading that book
was like what wait a minute, what and then just
this can't be true. And then just look at the
raw data of like when the vaccines were introduced, and

(49:24):
also when hygiene was introduced and sanitation was introduced, and
then massive drop off of the disease, and then at
the very end when it's almost gone, vaccines are introduced
in almost every case, and yet we all thinking like,
thank god vaccines exist, because otherwise we'd all have polio, Like,
oh Christ.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Yeah, it bothers me that I never questioned it.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Never would have. The polio one blew me away when
you find out that that was the same time. But
they were using DDT everywhere, and the people that were
getting polio first were people in rural farmland communities where
they sprayed DDT everywhere. And it wasn't just effect people
was affecting horses and it doesn't cross species, so it
wasn't the same thing. Clearly, something was going on and

(50:08):
everybody got locked into this polio scare. And to this
day I had a friend use that to me in
a text message to me about like, look, we have
to really appreciate that. You know, he's like trying to
make up for some stupid joke, and he was saying
that we you know, look at Jonah Saulk cure polio.
I'm like, I don't have the time. I don't have

(50:30):
the time to sit down and tell him. There's a
great book. It's called Dissolving Illusions. You should read it,
and then you should read Turtles all the Way Down.
It's another great book. And then you should listen to
Robert F. Kennedy Junior's journey from being a very respected
and trusted environmental attorney who was applauded by the left
to being some nutcase pariah who I thought was a nutcase.

(50:52):
I had to apologize to him when I had him
on the show. I have to tell you, when I
first heard of you, and like, I thought you were
a coop. You're this anti vaccine cook I bought I
was living in La working in Hollywood. We I bought
into it. I'll climb and secret. Everybody around me thought
that way, So I thought, we all, yes, this is
a sensible intelligent people think yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
I don't think you can really convince people. I think
they have to figure it out for themselves.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
No, and they don't want to hear it. That's the thing.
It's like telling someone that they're spaghetti monster in the
sky is not real, like you, they don't want to
hear it.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
I just can't, right, I've just given up. But I uh,
there's hope. I mean, you came around and you're not
in the field, right, And people, I think you know,
COVID directly impacted every single American and not in a
good way.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Right, No, there's nothing good about it. And the only
thing good about it was a shift in perspective and
that it's going to be way harder to pull some
shit off like this again. Right, people are not going
to buy into it, especially all those vaccine injured people
who keep getting gas lit. And why do they keep
calling it long covid? How come nobody I know wasn't
vaccinated got long covid? Right? Right? What is this long

(52:05):
COVID you speak of? Is there a long flu? Is there?
Where's the long pneumonia? What the fuck are you talking about?
Why are you calling it? Is it possible that this
is a vaccine injury?

Speaker 2 (52:15):
I'm just asking, well, yeah, I've been looking at antibody
levels and these people and it's alarming. So we have
an ant that we really don't have a lot of
tests for vaccine injured it's it's hard because they'll get
the million dollar work up. By the time they come
to see me, you know, they've gone through you know,
multiple tests and multiple doctors.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
It's not really a million dollars, is it?

Speaker 2 (52:37):
The work Well, I don't know, but I'm exaggerating, but.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
I want to clear for vanity vacation forsty Wermer who
claimed there was a million dollar markup.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Way, somebody should fact check me on that, and it's
higher than a million. But uh second, oh, so they
get you know, they go through the work up and
then they can't find they can't find a test to
prove that they're injured. So the doctors will put them
on psychiatric medication, will put them on sleeping pills and
benzo diazepines and antidepressants. Literally I saw patient was put

(53:08):
on all three. So the only test that I have
found that does seem to correlate is this antibody test,
and it's a spike protein antibody test. Lab Core has it.
That's where send people quest has it. But they put
the upper limits too low, so you don't really get
a good sense. But yeah, the upper limit of the

(53:29):
test is twenty five thousand, and people that have not
gotten the COVID shots. I'd say it ranges. It's usually
under a thousand, and then people that have gotten the shots,
I mean it's a lot of them are off the chart.
They're over twenty five thousand, but on average, they're probably
ten times higher than the people have not gotten the shot.
And this is people who were you know, they were

(53:51):
vaccinated four years ago. It wasn't like they just got
the shot. You know, obviously COVID's not an issue anymore
in terms of you know, people getting sick, But four
years later, you should not have sky high antibody levels.
And that's what I'm seeing, and that is alarming. It
just suggests that there is a lot of spike protein
still in the body causing problems.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
And haven't they shown that the spike protein continues to
be produced in the body up to seven hundred days later.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
There's yes, I mean that is that's one study. There's
some you know, what's interesting that study that antibody levels
were really low, which doesn't make sense. So I kind
of questioned the whole study. But yeah, I mean I
see it. I mean I see patients, I mean I
still see vaccine injured patients coming to me for the
first time years later. Last week I probably saw six

(54:43):
new vaccine injured patients. Yea. And they they're not getting
any help the government. It's called the CICP, that's a
vas A Countermeasures Injury Compensation program. They're supposed to help
these patients. They have denied ninety eight percent of people
that have applied for assistance. They on average, I think

(55:04):
they've awarded twenty They've awarded thirty people thirty of all
the vaccine injured that have applied, thirty people on average,
the award is like four thousand dollars for these people.
It's horrible. I mean, these people's lives are just destroyed.
These are not easy things to treat. It's not like
I can give them an antibiotic and they're good to
go and they're fine. I mean, they're very challenging. It's

(55:26):
we don't have a lot of guidance. I do see
a lot of success with ivermectin, but it's slow going.
It's usually you know, months of trying to help them.
And the government really needs to help these people. There's
a lot of people suffering and they're getting completely ignored.
The other issues. We don't even have a code. So

(55:48):
every disease has a numerical code, and it's called an
ICD ten code. It's what they use to compensate people,
for the insurance companies to use them, but also for tracking.
So if you have you know, COVID has its own
little code and you can just dial in the code
and get all the numbers. They don't have a code
for a vaccine injury. They have a code for a

(56:09):
vaccine hesitancy, but they don't have a code for injury.
So all these people are just sort of you know,
they're getting all these diagnoses, but there's no way to
track them.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
It's to be a convenient. Yeah, well, I would imagine
you the real problem with paying people is you'd have
to pay so many.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
You know, but that's what they can just print the money.
I don't know what the problem is.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
I mean, what do you give them? What if you
find out you have milecarditis and your life expectancy is
greatly reduced, and we know for a fact it came
out of this vaccine. What do you give a person
like that?

Speaker 2 (56:43):
You're going to take their life's wages, what wages that
they would have potentially earned.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Well, so be it, you know, what I'm saying, billion dollars.
What do you do?

Speaker 2 (56:55):
The vaccine companies can pay that money.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
I know, but it's insane the number of people that
I personally know. What it's very shocking to me is
when I talk to people that are pro vaccine, still
pro vaccine, I'm when I be very specific, mRNA vaccine,
still pro COVID vaccine, that will tell me they don't
know anybody who was injured by it. Yeah. I was like,
how is that possible?

Speaker 2 (57:18):
How many people do you know?

Speaker 1 (57:19):
I know a lot. I know two people on pacemakers, Yeah,
two and they're young. Yeah. I know a lot of
people that got fucked up, including family members. I know
a lot of people that got fucked up and people
that don't want to admit they got fucked up. All
of a sudden, they have this new cancer that's spreading
like rapidly. It's terrifying. You know. It's like I watched

(57:43):
the Danny Jones podcast and you guys were trying to
get Casey means CALLI means to talk about SV forty right.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Well, my thing with CALLI I actually talked to him
last night just why he will not go on record
to state the COVID shot should be pulled off the market,
and that, you know, that's the whole He's the head
of my Look.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
That's being political, that's trying to like appease too many people.
What do you think that is?

Speaker 2 (58:09):
They can't read their minds? But I think it's I
think anybody with a big microphone who is in a
position of power and who knows the truth is ethically
obligated to speak the truth. That's how I see it.
I mean, I'm not a politician. I keep hearing the
word strategy, but there are you know, there are people
I see. I'm just faced with the carnage every day

(58:32):
in my office. It's it's just I can't ignore it.
And I don't understand why this is so difficult other
than you know, political. But it shouldn't be political.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
It shouldn't be right. That's what's disappointing because we thought
that this administration come in it was just going to
kick downdoors right, like this is it Epstein lest day one?
Who killed JFK. Let's find out what are all these
fucking UFOs? Dummy? I that was my number one, Like

(59:03):
I pad out of those three, give me that one.
Tell me, the aliens are real, but they this political dance,
this excuse for that. So I really appreciated Jack Cruse
kind of pestering him on that. And then I've talked
to Brett Weinstein about that as well, and he gave
a breakdown of how it actually happened and when the

(59:26):
original kidney cells from these monkeys were being used to
make vaccines that they inadvertently gave these people. This semianvirus forty,
which when it gets into the human body can lead
to rapid cancer.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Well, yeah, that's one of the cancer causing issues with
these shots. That's not the only one though, Right, it
goes into the cell. It's supposed to not get into
the nucleus, but it could get in the nucleus. We
know that it can get into the nucleus. And then
if it gets in the nucleus.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Well, first they thought it was going to stay local, right, Right,
it's only a the arm. Right, when I say right
where your arm is, your body will react to it.
It will produce the antibodies, and then you're good to go.
And then all these silly people you can watch them
die in the streets and laugh as you step over them. Haha.
I was smart. I trusted the science.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Yeah, so they know that that's not true. It doesn't
stay local. They know it doesn't dissipate within It was
a small amount of time that is supposed to stay
inside your body.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
They know that's not true, right, So yeah, they have
they replaced one of the nucleotides with something that's hard
to break down, pseudouridine. They've never shown that pseudouridine is
cleared from the body. There's no study showing that we
can clear it. So it could that could be why
these people have these sky high antibody levels four years later,

(01:00:45):
because the body might not be able to break it down.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Oh god, oh my god, that's terrifying. What could you
conceive of would that would help something like that? Like,
what could you do that would aid the body and
being in to do something like that? Is there anything theorized? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
I don't know. I wish, you know, Robert Malone would
be a good person to ask. Maybe maybe she should.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Come back on a victory lap. Anyway, that guy was
torn apart. They were trying so hard to make him
out to seem to be a kook, and every interview
he would do, he would be so reasonable, so logical,
so fact based, and so knowledgeable, and they still they
still he was a cock. He was a cock. I
remember some fucking guy yelled at me and excuse me,

(01:01:31):
yelled at me in Vegas. He said something about me
spreading disinformation. Then he said something about that idiot malone.
I'm like that, Oh, that's right, the of m R
and A or one of them, you know, I mean,
it's I don't know. I'm sure this is not like
none of those things ever happened in a vacuum. I'm
sure there's a ton of people working on that, but
he was one of them. He's a fucking brilliant guy.

(01:01:53):
But so, how did they find out that it can
get into the nucleus.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Well, if you look at lip if you look at
lipid nanoparticles, and that's sort of the that's what. Otherwise,
if you just put mRNA into the body without the
lipid nanoparticle, it would get destroyed. So they put the
they put it in the shell the lipid nanoparticle, And
there are studies showing lipid nanoparticles can cross the nuclear membrane.

(01:02:19):
So there's there's that. Kevin McKernan is a scientist he's
he's on X a lot. He's done a lot of
work in that showing DNA contamination that's getting into these
shots in addition to the SV forty and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
So there's there's and this was what Joe Latipo, the
Surgeon General Florida, he has actually called for the COVID
shots to be pulled off the market. And his his
main argument was, there is a certain amount of DNA
that is allowed in any kind of these products, and
we have proof that they have exceeded that threshold. So

(01:03:00):
there have been studies showing that there's excess DNA in
these samples which shouldn't be there. And that's just sort
of this hard line that shouldn't be crossed.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Where is this DNA coming from in the production.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Process, I guess, but it's it's pretty cut and dry.
I think that's why doctor Ladipoe has chosen this argument
to go by, because there's just like a hard line
that you don't cross, and they have crossed that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
And what happens if you get too much DNA.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Well, you can integrate. The concern is does it integrate
into your own into your cell DNA?

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
We're going to monkey people, but cancer that's right. You
imagine if we made like hybrid people, they turn out
to look like Neanderthals, you know, like we injected them
with something that twisted their genes back. But just the
idea of manipulating your DNA so terrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
It's like, what in pregnant women right right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Integrating you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
It'd be one thing if it's a seventy year old man,
but a pregnant woman, yeah, you hear.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
That, Kathy's integrate DNA. You don't think good things?

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
That's like immediately, I'm like what And these things are
technically gene therapy products. They're not vaccines, so which.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Is a real problem with using the same term. Why
not use a new term? Well, because then you wouldn't
be under the umbrella of protection the vaccines currently enjoy,
where they can't be, which is so crazy, it's so crazy.
It's just hard to believe it's true. It really is.
It is. And so for a person like you that

(01:04:31):
just like you were saying, see the carnage every day,
tell me what it's been like, Like, what is it like?

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
It's hard because as an e int I'm used to
I'm used to fixing people quickly. So you know, I
get somebody with a science infection, get them antibiotic, They're
good to go. I get somebody with an abscess, I
drain the abscess or good to go. It's it's sort
of why I chose my specialty because I like to
see the results quickly. I didn't go into primary care

(01:04:57):
reason for a reason like I and so when I
see the injured, it's like, you know, it's very slow growing,
slow going. We don't have a lot of research. It's
trial and error. These people are young, you were previously
young and healthy, and their lives have just been completely destroyed.
I don't have a big support system of other specialists

(01:05:19):
I can send them to. It's hard. I mean, I
don't feel sorry for myself, but I'm just saying it's
just very different from what I'm used to as a doctor.
So I really hope that the government will step up
and do something about this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Yeah, that would be a nice thing to hope to
do something about it. But it would be really nice
if some real research was done on what are the
actual long term effects. If you're if everyone's looking at
it from a position of we can't get you know,
sued for this. This is dangerous, Like someone has to

(01:05:55):
look at it and say, well, this these are the
definite effects of this vaccine because there's it's too much.
This is long COVID, it's too much. Oh he got
a neurological condition that was going to happen anyway, it's
just coincidentally happened after he took the COVID shot. Like,
there's got to be some way to determine what of
these ailments, like specifically, like when you're talking about that

(01:06:16):
abnormal antibody levels, like, well, there are patterns.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
I mean, I definitely see the same sort of things
over and over again.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
So it's not like you know, but as you said,
it doesn't have a classification, right, it doesn't have.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
A code, So we need an ICD ten code for these.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
That seems kind of crazy. Yeah, well imagine if that
was the case with like her pies, Like hey, yeah,
put a damn code in there so we know what
this is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
But there, you know, I see very similar constellation of symptoms.
I see patients with these abnormal tremmors, which you know,
they can't stop shaking even when they're sleeping, they feel
internal vibrations, or they'll have severe pain that you can't explain.
You know, you get an MRI, there's nothing, there's no
nerve damage that you can tell. I've seen some very

(01:07:02):
strange rashes and normally, you know, it doesn't matter what
kind of rash it is. You throw a few meds
at it and will disappear. But actually the only thing
that I've found helpful is ivermectin for these strange rashes.
And you see pots where the blood pressure. That's the hardest,
I think, And this is this is we're seeing a
lot of this with the blood pressure just drops suddenly

(01:07:25):
with no stimulation, or the heart races with no provocation.
That is very common and very difficult to treat.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
That's a good friend of mine. Yeah, he says every
now and then his heart will just jack up to
like one eighty yep, and he has to sit down
and he just has to hope that this isn't the
last time you breathe. Yeah, he just sits there. He
has a heart monitor, he puts it one of them
riskwatch ones, the garment one. He just watches his heart
jack up to like on one hundred and eighty beats
for a minute, just sitting there for no reason, not

(01:07:54):
knowing if you're going to die. Another friend of mine
was really young, was a soccer player, super healthy guy, superfit,
gets the vaccine, all of a sudden, giant heart racing
in the middle of the night, like out of control,
like you know, like you're running a seven minute mile,
just jacked and he wound up in the hospital twice.
Nothing they could do. It all went away, it stopped,

(01:08:16):
went back to normal after a while. But now he's
got this like terrible fear that he's got a fucking
time bomb in his chest. Yeah, out of nowhere would
his heart would just ramp up. And you could say, like, oh,
that was it's probably a genetic thing. He probably had
it already. It's like maybe, but this guy was super fit. Yeah,
superfit soccer player.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
And that's the athletes setted up an athletes. So it
used to be twenty nine per year, it was two
hundred and ninety per year, growth ten times crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Dropping dead the rarest of rare people to drop dead
in the middle of nowhere, the best athletes in the world.
The people are the healthiest in the prime of their life, right, And.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
I worry about these kids because you know, hard itis,
the primary symptom is chest pain. But if you've got
a kid who's not even speaking yet, you have no
idea if they have my myocarditis, and myocarditis can leave
a permanent scar on the heart and then lead to
a lifelong increased risk of sudden cardiac death. And kid,

(01:09:19):
we have no idea if these kids have been affected.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Yeah, and how many kids do we see dropped out
of heart attacks in like high school football this year,
like over the last stuff four years. Rather, it was
like you'd see these articles pop up all the time.
You never saw those articles, or if you did, it
was super rare. And it's some kid with a heart
condition that was never diagnosed, which does happen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Yeah, And the schools are now making kids get cleared
by a doctor before doing sports, which I don't remember
that when we were kids.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Wow. Yeah, they just threw us right on under the
wrestling team. They didn't check shit, didn't even see if
you had a cold. Yeah. I mean, I don't know
what's better. It's probably better screen them. You know, they'll
find those undiagnosed conditions that kids can have.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Well, I just think that I think it's in response
to what's happening.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Oh, it certainly is but I mean that might be
the good aspect of it. Maybe some people will get
diagnosed that didn't have any idea that they were running
around with the problem, and they can fix it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
In my card it's hard to diagnose, Like really, the
only way you can diagnose my carda is for sure
is to do either a biopsy or a cardiac MRI,
which is most kids are not going to be put
through that. Right, Yes, it's scary.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
And it's what's crazy is this is all true, and
yet us talking about it makes us both look like kooks,
Like we then will be labeled. For sure, someone will
go out and attack us now and lay us anti vax,
anti science kooks. And this is what's dangerous about this conversation.
This is what's dangerous about what they said. And you

(01:10:49):
know those people work for the devil.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Well, do you think you'll get censored on YouTube this interview. No,
you don't, because I was just on Jimmy Doore. Yeah,
you need to bleep out like a sentence of mind.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
I'm not bleading some shit. I'm not bleaping out shit.
We'll find out I think it's wrong. If it's not okay,
if it's not okay, I think YouTube is more reasonable
now than they were during the pandemic, and I think
they have a very difficult job managing content at scale
where you're dealing with you know, the amount of people

(01:11:24):
uploading things is insanity, and they have certain things that
they've tagged as being controversial because they were anti science
or misinformation that it's still there's like lingering once. What
was the issue that we had, Jamie. We had like
an old episode where there was something in the old
episode that would have violated their rules back then. It

(01:11:45):
doesn't violate them now, but we because the episode was
uploaded back then, what happened with that just had like
a weird At the time, the penalty was like a
you had to do something, and so like they couldn't
take that step away. That was kind of an issue.
But the bottom line was everything this person said was

(01:12:05):
true and proven to be true now and now it's
one hundred percent fact. So now you can say whatever
you want. Like now if you say, hey, you know
super likely that that virus leak from a lab in China,
and now you can say that, Like back then, you
would get attacked. It would be crazy. He'd be called
a racist, he'd be called the worst things possible. If
you just said, like the wonderful John Stuart bit that

(01:12:27):
he did on Colbert's show. Did you ever see that bit?

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Let's watch it because it's really hilarious. This is like
in the heart of the pandemic, you know, and Stephen
Colbert was like vaccine or death, you know, he was
all in on it. And so Colbert was like trying
to like halt him in the middle. He's doing a bit.
John Stuart's doing a bit. He's doing a funny bit,
and Colbert tries to like cock block it. He tries
to like trip him, but John Stewart powers through, like

(01:12:57):
like the comic that he is. You find it, don't
tell me it was taken down, all right? Give us
this one, all right? This is it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
I and I honestly mean this. I think we owe
a great debt of gratitude to science. Science has in
many ways helped ease the suffering of this pandemic UH,
which was more than likely caused by science.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
So and that's kind of what I was that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
No no, no, no, no, no, no no no no,
no listen, listen, it's coffee.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
I would do that. I would do that to you?
What do you take? What do you what? What?

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
What do you mean by do you mean like perps?
There's there's a chance that this is creating a lab.
There's an investigation, a chance, well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Evidence. I'd love to hear.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Respiratory coronavirus overtaking Wuhan, China.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
What do we do?

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Oh? You know who?

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
We could ask the Wuhnan novel respiratory coronavirus lab.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
The disease is the same name as the lab.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
That's just that's just a little too weird, don't you think?
And then they asked those scientists, They're like, how did this?
So wait a minute, you work at the Wuhn respiratory
coronavirus lab.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
How did this happen?

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
And they're like a pangolin kissed the turtle and they're like, no,
the name of your lab, right if you look at
the name, Look at the name.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Can I let me see your business card? Show me
your business card?

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
Oh, I work at the coronavirus lab in Wuhn. Oh,
because there's a coronavirus loose in Wuhn. How did that happen?
Maybe a bat flew into the kloaka of the Turkey
and then it sneezed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Into my chili and now we.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
All have coronavirus. Like, well, okay, what about this second?

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Wait a second, All right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
John, Oh my god, Oh my god, there's been an
outbreak of chocolate e goodness near Hershey, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
What do you think happened? Like, Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Maybe a steam shovel made it with a cocoa bean,
or it's the chocolate factory.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Maybe that's it. That could be, that could be. Coberg
kept trying to get in the way that that could be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Lem I gave them all tuberculosis.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
That could that could very well be.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
And Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins and Aniger said like,
you should definitely be investigated.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Stop with the logic and people and things the name
of the disease.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Wait a second, wait the second building, Wait a second.
But I and it could be possible.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
You could be right.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
It could be possible that they have the lab in
Wuhan to study the novel coronavirus diseases because in Woohan
there are a lot of novel coronavirus diseases because of
the bat population there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
I understand it's like this, it's a local specialty, and
it's the only place to find bats. You won't find
bats saying, oh right, Austin, Texas has thousands of them
that fly I vcade every night, every night at dusk.
Is there a a coronavirus in Austin coronavirus? No, it
doesn't seem to be an Austin coronavirus. The only coronavirus

(01:16:37):
we have is in Wuhan, where they have a lab
called what's the lab called again.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Stephen the Warhan novel coronavirus lab.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
I believe the hot taste?

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
And how long have you worked for Senator Ron Johnson?

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Let me tell you something. Let me tell you some
about Johnson. This is not a concuriency. Couldn't be right here,
You could be right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
But this is the problem with such science is incredible.
They don't know when to stop. And nobody in the
room with those cats.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
He's going to do the other thing that we already saw.
The other thing we talked about the Spanish flu, which
a lot of people never heard that before either they did.
What isn't that great? That's one of the best segments
ever on late night television ever in the history.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Emperor wears No clothes and Colbert thinks the Emperor still
has a fancy robe on.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Well, this is the job of comedians in society at
certain times. And John Stewart he held the torch.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
I didn't realize he was enlightened.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Well, he's a very smart guy. He's just he's not
a bullshitter, you know, he's a very smart guy. And
I don't agree with him on everything.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
But has he come around on the shot.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
I don't know. I don't know. I haven't spoken to him.
He lives in another state. But I love the guy.
He's great and like when I was younger, he's a
great comic, funny guy, and a very nice guy and
very fair and honest. He's he's a you know, like

(01:18:07):
the type of person who could do that on television
in the middle of the shit, which is what it was.
This was like right around the same time where the
government was where they made that remember that release that
they had They said, for the vaccinated, you've done your job,
but for the unvaccinated, you're looking forward to a winter
of illness and death, severe illness and death. Severe, it's crazy,

(01:18:31):
severe illness and death. And this was during Omnicron, which
statistically was a cold that was the one that was
like the had the least mortality. Yeah, so for him
to do that during that time was very courageous, Like
he had to know, but he just had to make
it really funny, which he did. Yeah, he just he knew.

(01:18:52):
It's so preposterous because it's so on the nose. You
almost think like if that was in a movie like
that would be too like it was a Coen Brothers
movie or something like, oh god, this movie is ridiculous,
Like there's no way it would be named the same
as the Lab.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Did he get smeared for it?

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
I don't think he did. No. John skirted out of that.
He had a show with Apple for a while and
it was really good. But then I think, I don't
want to speak out of turn here, but I do
all the time, so I might as well. I think
there was an issue with an episode they did on China.
Is that the case? See if there's like data on
that or if there's a story on that. But they

(01:19:27):
stopped doing that show. So he had like a Apple show,
you know, because Apple TV produces a lot of shows.
Now they have Severance. You ever watched Severance?

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
No, I'm watching Righteous Gemstones.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Now, oh my god, that's a good show. That's Oh
my god, that's that is such a funny show. I
didn't even hear about it until like this year. There's
almost too many great shows now it's hard to keep up.
That show is fantastic. That shows so fun.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
I think it's modeled after Joel Ostein is really that's
my theory. And I passed by his church every day.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
So yeah, there's something about those guys, those guys that
run the megachurches, like you gotta be crazy. Like not
one of them is like, Oh, that makes that guy
makes sense. I seems like super super reasonable, normal human
being that it's like, I like that guy. I want
him as my pastor. No, it's always like some complete kook.

(01:20:22):
In October, The New York Times reported that Apple canceled
the comedy show ahead of its third season due to
creative differences and execs concerns over Stuart's coverage of topics
such as China and Ai. Okay, the China, I get it.
Apple has contracts with China, right, they have cell phones
made in China, and there they actually have to a

(01:20:44):
story about that. The other day. We're read just read
a story about the other day about how the iPhone
seventeen is so complex that it actually has to be
manufacturing in China because they have the best manufacturing. So
they must have some sort of a thing where you're like,
you can't criticize. You're gonna fuck it all up for us,
you know, to fuck it all up for the production
of our phones that we need that we make all

(01:21:04):
this money, which is why we have more money than
most countries.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Well, I don't see how John Stuart would be a
threat to their revenue.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
I just don't think they want them criticizing, you know, China.
But the AI one is even more weird. The AI
one is even more weird because it's like, uh, don't
you think we should make fun of AI. Don't you
think there should be like something that scares the shit
out of people enough to they wake up and recognize
that this thing is coming at us like a freight train.

(01:21:32):
There's no guard rails, no one knows what's gonna happen,
and everybody's like, full steam ahead. Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
AI terrifies me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
It should it does. It's because you're intelligent, you know.
I think most intelligent people are aware that this will
be a change that is akin to the asteroid that
hit the Yukatan. This is gonna this is gonna hit
in some crazy way that like redefines what it means
to be human being. It's around the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Well, yeah, and you know Texas they love AI. They're like,
put a huge amount of money into aix O fun. Yeah,
I know you love Texas, but it's not what you think.
I need to wake you up on Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Well, I like the fact that it was free during
the time where California was not. You could do whatever
relatively right. But in my business and for what I do,
like the stand up comedy and letting people tell you
what you can and can't do. I don't like that, right,
you know, And here they've had a more rebellious spirit
in that regard.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
I said, I think healthcare, though, is turning Texas blue. Yeah,
we had like Houston is home to the largest medical
center in the world, and it brings in people from
all over. And I think mandates started in Texas for
a reason. I think they did it here to test
the waters. They knew if they could get it get
away with it in Texas, they could get away with

(01:23:02):
it anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Don't make me move to Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
No, I don't even think.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
I think Idaho at Florida's not getny good either.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Jamie can't live. Look at him over there. He can't survive.
He got out of Ohio and he developed thin blood.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Uh. But yeah, Texas, I just I think it's a
we have so Texas Medical Association, largest medical association in
the country. They are really proponents of transgender surgery and minors.
They are anti free speech for physicians. They are they

(01:23:38):
are pro mandate. They've gone after me, and they have
a tight control over the people in our house and state.
So I just think we need to be careful. I
mean that you saw it during the pandemic and the
medical The economy of our state is dominated by health,

(01:24:02):
and people don't realize that. They just think oil. But
health is a huge dominating factor in our economy. And
you know, you saw what they did to me, what
they're still doing to me. You see the mandates. And
I don't know if you've been following what's going on
in the house, but the house is our house is divided.
So we've got the the freedom, the real true freedom

(01:24:26):
loving representatives. And then we have these pseudo Republicans who
who do control everything, but they are basically democrats and disguise,
and I don't know. It really worries me. Idaho just
passed a bill, the best medical freedom bill in the country.

(01:24:47):
It eliminates all medical mandates except for hospitals, of course,
because but it's the first one of its kind where
medical mandates are finally outlawed, because I mean, you think
about it. You know, all these vaccines that we have
to give our kids to go to school is actually
fundamentally wrong. We should not mandate any child to get

(01:25:08):
a shot to go to school. And in Europe half
the countries don't have those kind of mandates, but the
United States is very common. You know, all kids have
to get these shots to go to school, and if
you opt out, it's a big deal. And some states
don't even allow it. You don't even allow exemptions. So
I think it's a wake up call. Like I just,
I never thought about the whole the fact that I

(01:25:30):
had to give my kids these shots to go to
school as being an issue, But now that COVID happened,
I see it as a huge issue. But Florida, you know,
Florida's been kind of behind it too, Like, you know,
they're not one of the states trying to get ibromacton
over the counter. There were nine states that tried to
pass bills banning mRNA. They all failed, but Florida wasn't

(01:25:51):
one of those. So Florida worries me too.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Idaho, I do ho.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
They have good skiing there ski.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
I quit skiing a few years back my last accident.
I'm like, I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
I love skiing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Oh it's fun. Don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't
get hurt. Didn't get hurt, don't get hurt. That's how
I feel every time I ski. But I've had a
bunch of surgeries. That's a problem. Like I know the
vulnerability of knees. I've had three knee surgeries. It's like
it's rough on you, you know, But it's fun. It's
just for me, Like the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

(01:26:28):
There's a bunch of other stuff that's a lot more
fun that doesn't come with risk of broken bones and concussions.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Yeah, I don't know. I like roller of coasters for
fun than that. I can't You're one of those not No,
I'm not full on. But I don't have the new
roller coasters. Have you been on them recently?

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Yeah, I have kids.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Yeah, they're much better. I mean there's what the ones
we grew up with.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
No, some of the ones, like Disneyland has some insane ones.
The one the Incredibles ride, If you've done that one?

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Who I like Guardians of the Galaxy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Oh that's great. That was fun. It was really fun. Yeah, Disney.
You know what's the best ride. It's in Disney World.
It's an Avatar three virtual reality ride. It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Is incredible Florida to California, Florida. Oh, I think I
did that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
I think it's called Flights of Fantasy or something like that.
It's incredible. Like you you are one of the Avatar
people and you fly around on a dragon and it's
so good. It's so good. It just like you feel
the breeze, you feel missed in the air. At a
certain point, I'm realizing why I'm doing this. I'm like,
this wasn't even remotely possible just twenty years ago. Like,

(01:27:35):
what is it gonna look like twenty years from now?
Like I'm not gonna have any idea they're gonna put
a helmet on me. It's gonna like sync up with
my brain ready, brain sync and all of sudden you're
gonna be in that world. You're like, whoa, and you
were gonna trust those people to let us out, you
know that that's one coming.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Yeah, I'm happy with the roller coaster. I'll stick with that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
It's not worth it. It's not as good. You take
the brain thing get in the Avatar world.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
The ones where the three I get kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Moves to this one. You're on like a motorcycle, a
fake motorcycle, and that's to represent the dragon, you know,
and you have like a handle you hold on too,
and it starts moving around shit, so like as you're flying,
it's like it's it's a full sensory experience. I think
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
I did that and my kids made fun of me
because I was screaming on it a couple of years ago. Yeah,
I haven't done it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
So it's so good. So's a good ride. And that's
just the tip of the iceberg. And when you connect
that to AI, so A tailors something the specific for
your whatever crazy fantasy you want to do. We already
have video games that people can murder people like that's like.
The most popular video game is Grand Theft Auto and
one of the things that people love about is you
could beat some mechanics to death for no reason.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Do you think that allows people to get out their
frustrations though in a healthier way.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Perhaps I would recommend martial arts. I think that would
be a healthier way. But I think more than anything,
what it does is allows you to disassociate and just
to be able to because it doesn't mean anything. It's
not really a person that's getting beat to death, but
the imagery is obviously of a person that's getting beat
to death, and you're able to do it with no consequences,
no recourse, no bad karma. You don't even feel bad
because it's a part of the game. You know, there

(01:29:17):
was what was that one where you could drag the
Wild West? One could beat people with whips. Red Dawn
Redemption is a Red Dead Redemption crazy games where you
could do horrible things to people. Like, what is it
going to be like when you have video games that
are actually virtual reality, completely immersive and you could just

(01:29:37):
be a serial kid. You can be Jack the Ripper.
They give you a knife and now you're in London
and the eighteen hundreds and you're Jack the Ripper.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Why do people create these because they can?

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Right, It's like what John Stewart said about the nuclear bomb,
like why do they do that well? And this is
the same thing. This is the parallel to the Manhattan
Project because we're not the only ones that are trying
to find the to get to the solution of what
is like the ultimate expression of AI in its current form,
like super intelligent sentient artificial intelligence, like something that's going

(01:30:10):
to be godlike power and ability. China's working on it too.
We have to work on it. If we don't work
like so everybody's like hang on, We're like nope, to
just China's working on it. We have to do we
have to get there first. So this is is just
like the Manhattan Project. And I don't think it's gonna matter.
I think I think once we get there, it's going
to be so weird for everybody. It's I think civilization

(01:30:33):
is going to be an upheaval. And I think we
were entirely attached to the idea that this civilization that
we live under where our money is all in hard
drives and you know, it's all ones and zeros, on
a database somewhere, not even backed up by gold anymore.
It's all super weird already, like this is standard forever.
I don't think it is.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
I I don't know. I feel like there may be
a backlash, because you know, there's this wanting to do
real things and do you know, real experiences. I mean,
I see, there'll be a few hikers.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
It'd be a few hikers, few people.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
When you're on your computer all day, the first thing
I want to do is just get outside and get
away from all all that and so, but your hope
is that there's gonna be a backlash.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
Well, there'll be a few, right. There's just like there's
people that are still pro vaccine today, right, there's still
pro mRNA vaccine that can't I can't wait for the
new booster. There's people that are out there like that. Right,
You're always gonna have different kinds of people. You're never
gonna have one thing where everybody adopts it. There's gonna
be a bunch of people that want to live a
subsistence lifestyle in the woods forever. Let all those morons
in New York put their helmets on and live in

(01:31:37):
fucking avatar land. I'm going to live out here in
the real world. But if you think about how many
people play games today versus how many people played games
thirty years ago, it's off the charts, right, Like what
are the numbers? Like when I was a child, is
when they had Pong. That was the first one. Yeah,
do you remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Yeah, it was in the Seer store. Do you remember that.
You go shopping and play the game. That's where you
buy your tools, yeah, tough skins.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
Yeah. And that was revolutionary. You could play a game
on television and it was a really simple game, you know,
and you be playing ping pong with this like slow
moving ping pong ball and it was fine. We all
loved it. Family would gather around play ping pong, and
then you fast forward to Call of Duty Like that's insane,
Like that is insane. These kids are they have microphones on,

(01:32:26):
they're talking, They're running through Fallujah gunning people down, Like
this is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
So the numbers went through that phase, but they seem
now to be sort of disinterested, like they kind of you.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Did a good job, it just happened. I think a
lot of kids are disinterested because they realized that the
back and call of life and becoming a success is
you cannot get too wrapped up in these things because
they will steal your time. And but my point is
that the amount of people that are allowing it to
steal their time today, and I know you're enjoying it,

(01:32:59):
steal your times in bad have fun player games. I
love them. They're fun, but I can't do them. There's
too much. See, they're too exciting, they're too good. But
these are just the beginning. What we're experiencing now with
Call of Duty and first person shooters that everybody loves
in comparison to what's going to happen when they put
that thing on your head and then all of a
sudden you really are on Battleship Troopers? Is that? What

(01:33:21):
was that movie where they fought the Aliens? Starship Troopers?
Did you ever see that one?

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
Great movie, but it's the future, or you know they're
fighting off aliens, giant alien bugs. You could be in that.
You could be in it, feel the sand on your feet,
feel the wind in your face, Smell the breath of
the beast as you shoot it down. It's going to
be too compelling. Yeah, Either that or go work at
the supermarket near the supermarket all day. You want to

(01:33:47):
play pick up basketball? Who could you suck at basketball?
Keep hitting bricks?

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Roll no, no, no, no, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
I just think it's just it's a test of civilization,
and it's it's probably something that is changing our species
and changing it really quickly before we even realize it.
Just like we turn changed wolves into dogs, it's turning
us into technology dependent gelatinous water balloons of blood.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
That's dark they're trying. I think they'll take over doctors.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna take over lawyers, doctors. They're
probably gonna take over a lot of actors. I think
actors and even screenwriters are in real trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Wait wait, wait, how do you take over an actor?

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
Because these AI videos now are in insane they're so good. Wow.
Have you ever seen the one where they're stand up
comedians talking on stage about how uh? And there's people
out there that believe that we're a prompt? Like and
then they're going to people in scenes of movies that
are like you, like saying do you really believe this
is a prompt? And there's vikings like incredible Viking village,

(01:35:00):
like walking down the village. It's all ai and it
looks like Hollywood movie quality. It looks like some crazy
new blockbuster that's out about Vikings. They have cro magnum
Man walking, you know, like like hunting on a raft
moving through the frozen frozen lake. It's the whole thing
is nuts. It's so good, it's so and it keeps

(01:35:22):
getting better. Yeah, like this is insanely good compared to
what just existed a couple of months ago, like a
year ago. Like there's it's unrecognizable. We could, like computers
move so slow in comparison, Like think about when when
did when did you first get your first computer?

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Probably medical school year, so that was like nineteen ninety eight.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Okay, so you probably run in Windows ninety eight.

Speaker 5 (01:35:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
It kind of worked, but it was a little buggy.
Sometimes it would crash, you get the blue screen to death.
Then within like five years they got way better. Ten
years they got way better. But now if you look
at if you have a laptop now in twenty twenty
five versus a laptop from twenty twenty, no difference.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
I have an old MacBook that I use sometimes because
I like it because it's clicking ear keyboards and it's
fucking old as shit. It's really old, Like it seems
like a regular laptop. It's not that much different. The
AI from then was nothing. It didn't exist, And now
it's making movies that are off the charts, unbelievably realistic.

(01:36:29):
And this is just one version of it. They're gonna
have a way better version of it a month from now,
a way better version of it six months from now.
And where does that end? Like, it doesn't, it doesn't end,
And who knows what the news is now? You know
how many times someone sent me something on Twitter and
I thought, wow, that's crazy war footage and it turns
out it was just from a video game.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Yeah that people get duped. They see a plane getting
shot down, they think it's real, Like, wow, No, it's
just a scene in a video game. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
I haven't seen these videos.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
You haven't seen.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
I've seen photos that look very realistic, but I haven't
seen these videos. Have to go check that out.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
They're too good, they're too good. And this race to
AI is you know, we're all involved in it, and
I worry that it's not in our best interest, just
like I worry that our health system is compromised. I
worry about it all. I worry there's a lot of

(01:37:26):
people that are going to be insanely wealthy once this
goes live. Like once this goes live, the haves versus
the have nots will be so far separated.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
But how do you make money off of AI?

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
You control everything, first of all, the stock market. You'll
figure out the stock market immediately and bet insane amounts
of wealth at things and compound it and figure out
when to buy and when to sell instantaneously. You could
even use AI to manipulate markets by having a bunch
of box tweet about something jack up a stock price,

(01:38:01):
and then you would go in and clean up. You
would create crypto coins, unlimited amounts of crypto coins, dump
tons of money in it. Hire celebrities they wouldn't even know,
hire them to promote the crypto coin, pull the wool
out from everybody, make billions of dollars, and you just
do that over and over and over and over again
instantaneously all around the world. Then you have all the

(01:38:23):
money like AI. If you're in control of AI, and
AI is artificial super intelligence, and you tell it, make
me as much money as you can as quickly as possible.
In the stock market. This is what we have one
hundred million dollars to invest. We have a billion dollars

(01:38:43):
to invest. If you're already wealthy, if you're a huge
company already, you could do something like that, and who
knows what kind of effect that would have. You could
manipulate world governments instantaneously. You could cut off pipelines, you
could sabotage power grids, you could shut down energy plants,
you could do all kinds of things. You can insert
viruses into systems that control every aspect of society instantaneously.

(01:39:09):
You crack all especially once they figure out how to
attach AI to quantum computing. Then we're doomed. Then we're
really doomed because they have any computational problems. You have
insane amounts of computational power, and it's all in our lifetime.
Like that's what's nuts. It's like, this will be if
people survive, and you know, there's like a golden age

(01:39:34):
thousands of years from now where they find the relics
of this civilization and they go look through and they
figure out how to open up hard drives and they
see us having this conversation about it. Yeah, it's gonna
be weird, can be like, oh, they saw it coming
and they did it. Anyway, how do we stop it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
I mean, you know, I think Elon Musk was sounding
the alarm and if he can't stop it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
Not only did he not stop it, he joined in.
I think that's the ideas that you have to do
it because other people are doing it. If they get
a hold of it first, it'd be catastrophic. And I'm
sure I screwed up a lot of possibilities in that
little stupid rant of mine, But it's something I think
people need to have in their head because this isn't
something that's not going to affect you, like, Oh, that's

(01:40:19):
not gonna affect me. I don't really have to pay
potentially to the politics in Poland. It's not gonna affect me.
You know, you can do that with this one. You
can't do it with because it's going to affect all
of us in the world. You're not going to know
what the news is. You think Rolling Stone fooled us
with that stupid picture from Oklahoma with a bunch of
people that are gunshot victims waiting.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
In line like they maybe she 's ai for their picture.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
But yeah, right, But that's a good point because that
was only a couple of years ago. Today they probably
would right. But this is you know, that's a clear lie,
and it's a bad one. What about the really good ones,
the really well coordinated ones that are using artificial created images?
Like how are we going to know? How are we

(01:41:03):
going to know? Like when I google something, I'm not
going to go do clinical research. I'm not I'm not
going to test these things to make sure it's correct myself.
If you're in control of all the information on the internet,
like you can instantaneously create a bunch of websites with
fake data on it. You could do that easily, especially
if people don't have access to the ability to actually

(01:41:23):
make their own tests. You could change everything. If you're
you have AI, you're hacking into this and all all
the encryptions, bye bye, everything's bye bye, all these little
roadblocks that we kept up there to keep our feeble
primate brains from cracking these codes. Like all that stuff
goes away, it's gonna get real weird.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
Yeah, well, I don't have an answer. I don't have
to go get a bunker after this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
I know it's I don't I don't think it's going
to be that bad, But I do think it's going
to be really it's going to change just society as
we know it. I mean, there's probably going to be
a lot of good aspects of it too. I think
the medical aspect of it's pretty amazing. Chat GPT alone,
when you can put in your blood work and can
give you some.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Well, I put it. I put in an MRI that
I had on my own and it missed it toally
missed it. Yeah, I mean it was Grock, It was
not Chat GPT.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
But I don't know which one's the best at that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
I don't know like Chat GPT, So there's there's some other.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
Really good ones too, Right, all.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
I use is grock.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Your Yeah, I don't trust Chat. I don't trust Grock,
but I certainly don't trust Chat GBT.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
Well. I was listening to someone talk about a new
program that is you know they have Pegasus, so Pegasus
can read your phone. This new program is a zero
click It reads everything in your phone, including your encrypted messages.
You have no idea if you have it on there
or not. There's no way to detect it. And it's

(01:43:07):
it's been being used. It's used currently.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
What's the name of it?

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
I don't know, Jamie, see if you could find out
the name of it. The old one was Pegas's. The
new one is a similar preposterous name, Palanteer. I don't know.
That's a different thing. I think Ian Carroll was talking
about it. But so then, okay, so you don't have
any privacy anymore. So and then your text messages don't

(01:43:35):
have any privacy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
I just assume I don't have any privacy anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
If it wasn't for Elon Musk buying Twitter. Can you
imagine how weird the world would be right now? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Weird. I mean, it's so fortunate. I was kicked off
for five months.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
What did you do that got you kicked off?

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
I really I was kind of timid back then compared
to what I say now. I really wasn't that, but
I did. I had a tweet that went viral and
it was America First Legal was suing the CDC over
some email. I can't remember exactly, but it was something
like American First Legal has just exposed the CDC in

(01:44:13):
a way viral And then that was my last tweet.
I was erased for five months.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
What excuse they give you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
I don't remember, you know, violating community standards?

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
Wow, what did that feel like?

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
And then I got and then I tried to get
on truth and get her. It's just not the same, right,
I just don't get that feedback.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
And uh, you know what I think about those things too,
and gab as well. I think they're all infested with
like out of state actors, other countries, other countries, intelligence agencies,
and even our own countries, and then even corporations. I
think they're infected. I think even like democratic and Republican operatives.
I think a lot of the traffic.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
Spots, Yeah, well I see that on Twitter definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
It's almost not worth engaging anymore. It's like what are
we doing here? Like you're you're arguing with someone who's
not even a real person. And I think that's like,
that's a big part of it. And I think in
those other alternative platforms like truth, don't, I think they
they do that to make them ridiculous for everybody else,
you know, So the last thing they want is a
bunch of people to competing to see who's the freest, right, right,

(01:45:25):
So what's the best way to do that? Well, you
have to sabotage this new social media platform the moment
it comes out, the moment it comes out swastikas you know,
Peppy the Frog, the worst possible things. Post as much
as you can so that this place becomes toxic, right,
you know, so that you have to have like a
zero tolerance policy like Blue Sky. Does you go to

(01:45:46):
Blue Sky if you tweet there are only two genders? Bamned,
get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
I was on Blue Sky for a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
How long? How long did you last? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
Yeah, I got I got a slit in before it
was open to the public, and I started stirring the
pot and then I just got and I got bored.
I got in some fights with guy. Who's that woman.
She's a lawyer. She's a big vaccine enthusiast.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
Vaccine enthusiast is hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Yeah, she's a she said, she's like the She's like
the female version of Hotels. Anyway, I just got no,
I can't remember. I know what she looks like, but
I don't want to say it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
I don't want to no worries you don't have to
say it. So what was that like? Yeah, when you
got into.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
It with her.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
I mean whatever, it's yeah, I've gotten so many fights
on x It's not really it's a.

Speaker 5 (01:46:39):
It's a.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
It's just funny.

Speaker 3 (01:46:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
When when before Methodist went after me, I got in
some fights on Facebook with these private groups. And there
are a bunch of women that get together the neighborhood
women's group. Oh boy, vicious boy, fairly vicious. And it
was a Houston women's physicians group, and they they called
me Bertha and they like started, They're like come birth.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
They I got mad at them. I don't know, I
don't know. They just like, we don't want you in
our group. You should go find another group. And you're
spreading misinformation and.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
Things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
And there's a neighborhood group that went after me. Those
are more I don't really care about the anonymous ex people.
But then I had a couple had Mama doctor Jones
who has a million followers on TikTok come after me
and make videos about me and another.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
There's this misinformation yeah yeah, and then I'm a grifter
and away yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
There's this pharmacist Savannah. She goes by our exorcist and
she has an only fans account as all side, she's
come after me like just vicious. I mean these some
of these women are just oh no, really toxic.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Yeah, when they have the right to be that's the thing.
It's like when they feel like they've got the green
light to just be as evil as possible and to
turn you into like some sub human m Yeah, especially
if they don't like it because you're a doctor. I
just think she's so smart spreading that misinformation on her name. Eric. Yeah,
so overall coming out of it on the other side, though,

(01:48:25):
And do you feel a sense of indication at least,
like because the public has embraced you and you've you've
got a lot of followers on Twitter that support you,
you know, after I'm sure the Danny Jones podcast, I'm
sure that a lot of people were listening to your story.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
And yeah, I mean it's yes and no, I mean
I still have a medical board that I'm dealing with
method as possible just sued me. So there's just there's
still a lot of drama, unfortunately, but you know, I
have hope. There's a there's actually a lawsuit today that's
first jury trial in the country over these hospital protocols

(01:49:03):
where they had a young woman with Down syndrome. They
basically euthanized her. They gave her a DNR order even
though she didn't have one. And the father has just
been wonderful as a Shara family.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
And that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Her for what I've seen this, I have reviewed records
from these hospital patients and they'll euthanize them. They need
the bed. They said, well, they're going to die anyway.
What was this person in the hospital for COVID COVID protocol.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
So and they wait, wait, so they were in the
hospital with COVID and they gave them something to kill them.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
Yeah, that happened to all them. I'm sorry, but I
mean that happened people. They give him morphine and insulin and.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's common.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
Yeah, yeah, I've reviewed charts. In this situation. They gave
her a which is do not resuscitate, meaning if they
look like they're dying, you don't do anything, which that
was not the case. So they're they're suing for battery,
which is one way getting around the PREP Act because
a PREP act is very hard to penetrate. The PREP

(01:50:16):
Act protects everybody, all the doctors, all the hospitals from
any wrongdoing during COVID, So it's been this big challenge
trying to get around the PREP Act. In this case
has hope of getting around the PREP Act because they're
charging for battery and they're they're in trial. It started today.
It's in Wisconsin. Uh so that gives me hope. I

(01:50:38):
don't know if you've heard of Brooke Jackson her case,
she sued Pfizer. She was a whistleblower. So she was
one of the heads of the research clinics and she
was in charge of overseeing the protocols and she found
that they were skipping necessary steps, they weren't following up
with injuries. She basically became a whistleblower and then they

(01:50:58):
immediately fired her and now she suing Pfeiser. But this
has been going on, you know, since twenty twenty, and
the DOJ unfortunately has stepped in and tried to shut
down the case, which normally DOJ comes in and helps
people when they're trying to you know, sort out a
This is a key tam case and I mean it

(01:51:20):
could bankrupt Pfiser. But now our own government and even
this is under Pam BONDI, So this is the new
DOJ is coming in to stop this case from happening,
which is bothersome. But these two.

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
Cases is their argument for why why are they're trying
to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Because it would impact public health policies, would go against
our country's public health policies by proceeding with this case
and letting it go to trial. How so, I don't know,
just that's there. That is basically what they said.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
Have you tried to steal what they're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
I mean, I'm not, it's not my case, and I
don't you know, the lawyer would probably have a better explanation,
but in it's just met with so many roadblocks.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
But the euthanizing one is still stuck in my head.
I just I can't imagine that that's real.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
No, no, no, it is definitely real.

Speaker 1 (01:52:09):
I mean, when they determined that someone's gonna die anyway,
is that what it is, right?

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
I mean, they'll justify giving morphine because I'll say, oh,
well they're struggling to breathe. Well guess what morphine actually
depresses your drive to breathe. But like this one case,
I remember his patient, he was sick, he looked like
he was dying, but they just like pushed morphine, no pain.
You know, they do a pain score so zero to ten.

(01:52:35):
This guy had zero pain and then they pushed insulin
to drop a sugar and his glucase was fine, and
then he died three minutes later. And you know, I
turned him into the medical board. I reviewed this chart
and turned him in the medical board. Nothing, they didn't
do anything. But yeah, they definitely definitely went on during COVID.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
Jesus, that is such a terrifying thought that someone would
just decide so many people are dying, this guy's definitely
gonna die.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
Yeah, this is yeah, definitely definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
It seems like something they don't call it euthanasia.

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
It seems like something that someone would tell me, and
then I would have to ask you, like, this is
something someone told.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
Me, sends you the record that I write.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
It seems like something I would be bringing up to
you as a ridiculous thing, and you would shoot it
down right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
No, I wish, I wish I were. It's not truthful,
but yes, it definitely definitely helped happen.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Would you have ever imagined this before you became a doctor?

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
No, I mean I did so. It's one of my
former attendings and E and T. When Katrina hit her
name is Anna Poe. She got investigated for euthanizing patients
in the ICU during Katrina. So they were paying, you know,
all the powers out a big hurricane and she was
going through the ICU and pushing morphine on people. She

(01:53:56):
got off, But that's an example. I mean doctors will
and nurses will do that, and nurses have a Yeah,
there's usually a standing order so you can give morphine
PRN as needed. So it's not always just the doctors.
Sometimes it's nurses.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
Do you know how many people get assisted suicide in Canada?

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
Do you you ready, Jamie? Pull the numbers up. It's crazy,
it's crazy, and they'll they'll do it. If you're just depressed, right,
they'll do it. If you you don't like being overweight,
they'll do it, if you you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
It's awful.

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
It's awful.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
I mean, they're just it's a lot of the vaccine
injured are doing that. They're going to Switzerland or going
to Canada to have this.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
The Canada numbers are bananas, like like, this can't be true,
this can't be true, and here it is. More than
fifteen thousand people received medical assisted assistants in dying in
Canada in twenty twenty three, What is it in twenty

(01:55:01):
twenty four? Now this is an old story, so imagine
twenty twenty five, we're there. This is crazy. Fifteen thousand
people they've helped him die instead of like help them live,
instead of like we used to call suicide hotline. Hey,
don't do it, Bob, you know. And now Ken's like, come.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
On in if you want the suicide, I'll make an
amportment for you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
A come on in, eh, you know, shouldn't we be
helping people get past that? Not the goal? Like, hey,
maybe maybe we can get you healthy, maybe we get
you feeling better, you know, maybe we could do something
about all your hormone levels and all the things wrong
with your body. Maybe that's why you're depressed. And god,

(01:55:43):
I mean, there's legitimate reasons for people to do it.
Don't get me wrong. If you're look, I know a
guy did it, Michael Laire who's a hilarious comedian, and
he had als and he got real bad at the end,
and he knew on getting any better, and so he
went to Oregon or they can do it for you.
And I get it. I get that one. But if

(01:56:03):
you depressed Jesus Christ's the.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
Worst is the vaccine injured because they've.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
Lost hope, right, and they've been gasolt. That's what's so
crazy about this. And people have helped them with it.
There's a bunch of people that were there. They feel
really guilty about pushing the vaccine early on, and they
feel connected to it, and they'll still put these blinders
on and like choose to pretend that it's save millions

(01:56:29):
of lives and keep pushing forward with the same narrative.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
They'll they do the man's work for the man. Unfortunately,
in social circles, you know, like you're you're you're punished,
you're punished for having any sort of heterodox views, anything
that steps outside, anything that could get you in trouble,
anything that people could argue like, oh, she shouldn't even

(01:56:56):
live in our neighborhood. You know, she doesn't even want
to vaccine their kids anything like that. People are scared
of that, and so just the fear of being ostracized
for your community.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
But once you get past it, it's so free now
you don't care at all?

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
Are you kind of? I mean, I know you're not
happy that it happened, but are you kind of you
clearly probably come out of it a person with a
different perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
Definitely, Definitely, I don't I mean, I don't regret it's
it's been a rollercoaster, but it's a yeah, I feel free, Like, yeah,
you can't really say anything to me anymore that would
hurt me.

Speaker 1 (01:57:35):
Yeah, that's a good place to be, h it is.
And you know, I really admire people like you that
you weren't a public person, you weren't a person who
sought attention. But when you know you were thrown into
this battle and you've handled yourself really, really well, it's
very impressive because I can't imagine the stress. Like when

(01:57:57):
you're saying you're in the fetal position for two days,
I'm like, I did you ever get up?

Speaker 2 (01:58:03):
I know it's anger that helped me. Anger can help you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:07):
Yeah, when you came out of it. On the other end, like,
are you happy that it happened?

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
Yeah, it's yeah, I'm ready to rest. I'm exhausted, but
I feel, like I said, I mean, I feel free.
I think you grow when you go through difficult times.
I certainly learned a lot about taking care of patients,
and you know, I made so many assumptions before. I
feel like I'm a much better doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:58:39):
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
I am utterly exhausted, though, I will say that, and
I'm ready for a break, and I'm frustrated that this
I don't, you know, what's going on now with the
new administration is not giving me a lot of hope.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
But everyone's hope is that there's incremental change. It's going
to take a while to get through some hurdles. That's
everybody's hope. But you know, it's how many administrations have
these incredible promises and then the same thing with the
Obama administration. You know, there was a lot of these
people like we had these amazing hopes the whole world's
can change now, and then oh jeez, same thing, same

(01:59:15):
thing over and over again, same thing, more corruption, more
people getting paid. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
You know, well, people are mad at me because I
keep criticizing Kennedy and Maha, but I'm like, what what's
the downside? You know, we have to keep pressing. We
have to just you can't cound away and not let
you know, be the squeaky wheel and just remind them
what we want, right.

Speaker 1 (01:59:39):
We wanted facts, We wanted to stop being lied to.
We wanted no more propaganda. We wanted to know the
truth about all sorts of different medications and why they're prescribed,
and why were the sickest ever? Why why are we
so sick? Why are we the nation that has so
much money and spend so much on healthcare has the
sickest people. That doesn't make any sense, That doesn't seem

(02:00:00):
like a good system. Yeah, you can't just say this
system has to stay like it is forever for the
safety of everyone.

Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
Like, I'm fully on board with MAHA's message about addressing
chronic disease, fully on board with that. I just find
it troubling that they are not talking about mRNA. There
is nothing in that MAHA report about mRNA.

Speaker 1 (02:00:19):
What do you think would cause that? Do you think
they have someone sit them down?

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
Well, they're gonna say it's strategy. Others think it could
be a misdirection strategy, not just a Okay, we're trying
to get where you what you want. We're just going
out about it a different way. Or we're doing this
to completely, uh distract everybody from the elephant in the room.
That's my concern.

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
What's the elephant?

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
mRNA? The COVID shot, the pandemic, the biggest health crisis
and the biggest health crisis in our generation that directly
impacted every single person, and we're not talking about it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
Right. Do you think that the strategy, if you had
to look at it from the best case scenario, like
the strategy would be get some things changed, like stop
mandating it for children and pregnant women, and then more
and more studies can get released, more and more data

(02:01:18):
can get pushed forward. You have so much data, right,
but we need to get the narrative out there because
there's going to be people that vote against it. So
if you didn't get it in the first time.

Speaker 2 (02:01:27):
Kennedy doesn't need any votes. He's got the power. He
could a stroke of a pen.

Speaker 1 (02:01:33):
Where do you think the politics come from? Then if
you have that mandate, that's what you want to do
when you get in.

Speaker 2 (02:01:37):
What has happened is somebody what does somebody have something
on him? Why is he not acting? Because if it
were me, I mean maybe people say, well he'll get fired.
So what get fired? Go down? Kamikaze, save the world
from m R and A. Because if he if he
takes it off the market, so hard to get.

Speaker 1 (02:01:55):
It back on.

Speaker 2 (02:01:56):
Stroke of a pen. You ever talk to him, I've
met him once. I like not knowing him, though, I
don't want to feel like.

Speaker 1 (02:02:06):
Right, you're obligated to support it, right, right, right, that's
great of you. Yeah, that's very smart. Unfortunately, I know.

Speaker 2 (02:02:12):
Him well, and I think the people in my circle
who know him are now being quiet because they have
a relationship with him and they don't want to offend him,
which I understand, right, But I feel like I'm not there,
So I'm just going to you know, I can't read minds.
I don't have any inside information, so I'm just going

(02:02:33):
to call it as.

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
I see it. You should, Yeah, I think we can't.
You know, you can't turn blinders on either side without anybody,
without anything, just because someone's on your team. If they're
doing something that you think is goofy and doesn't make
any sense, like this could be a real problem. You
got to say it, right.

Speaker 2 (02:02:52):
I think you're ethically obligated. I mean, this is this
is in Yeah. I started an organization called Americans for
Health Freedom to try to find the politicians with moral
courage to simply state that the COVID shots should be
pulled off the market. And it has been slow glowing.
But we are up to two hundred and fifty two

(02:03:12):
politicians who will go on record just to state that
these shots should be pulled off the market. But it's
a problem. I mean, you know, these politicians are not
getting these shots anymore, and they're not giving them to
their kids. And yet they're fine just staying quiet and
not saying anything. They're fine letting their constituents get these
shots when we know all the complications, we know that

(02:03:34):
it doesn't work, we know that the risk far outweighs
the benefit, and the politicians are staying quiet wild So
our goal is to support the ones who will speak
up and get them more power.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
Isn'ty kind of impressive though, what money can do. It's
kind of impressive. You get everybody just shut them out.

Speaker 2 (02:03:55):
It's kind of impress money and power. I think there
are a lot of people that you know, they'll kiss
the ring and yeah, definitely if you Yeah, those of
us that don't want power, don't want a position, don't.
It's also very freeing because you can yeah, you don't
need anything from them.

Speaker 1 (02:04:14):
But it's just it's such a bizarre time because all
these things that we've always held as being sacred forever
are now being challenged, and one of them is the
fluoride in the water. That's a big one. And to
watch that guy argue against fluoride being removed from the water,
watching Kennedy and him argue, it was like, it's hilarious, right,

(02:04:35):
Like the argument for keeping in the water is so dumb, right,
it literally lowers IQ's or at least it's correlated with
a very decrease in IQ.

Speaker 2 (02:04:45):
Measurable well, And I agree with that. I just on
the flip side of that though. We see, like what
I see in my office is people uh maybe taking
things too far, you know, off the beaten path. And
like this MAHA report, one thing I have a real
bone to pick with is they've basically waged war on

(02:05:06):
tonsillectomies and ear tubes.

Speaker 1 (02:05:08):
What is tube?

Speaker 2 (02:05:09):
So kids were not adults too, but mostly kids that
have middle recurrent or chronic middle ear infections. They get
fluid stuck in their middle ears, and so you put
a tube in there to drain it and keep it
from coming back. It's a I mean it takes five minutes.
They get they get anesthesia, but they get a gas.
You know, they don't get an you know, super heavy anesthesia. Uh,

(02:05:32):
and it's very rare to have a complication. You know,
I'm not for just frivolous surgery, but I feel like
this one is it really can make a huge difference
in their quality of life, the parents' quality of life
because they're paying off antibiotics. You know, you get an
adult with a middle ear infection, it will bring them
to their knees. So these ear infections can be really painful. Uh,

(02:05:53):
you know, they don't have to take all those antibiotics.
But this MAHA report just came out and said that
they called it proven harmful the ton selectomy and and
adnoid actomy ear to to proven harmful for kids.

Speaker 1 (02:06:10):
And that is just how could the ear tube be?
What were they saying, how is it proven harmful if
it drains the kid's ear.

Speaker 2 (02:06:17):
It was completely unnecessary and it was just all, you know,
basically done for money. It makes no difference in out
an overall outcome and the child.

Speaker 1 (02:06:28):
But yeah, it doesn't alleviate pressure like log I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:06:31):
Hearing and the other thing is here. I mean, the
biggest issue is you've got a bunch of fluid in
your ear. It does affect hearing and when you're trying
to develop speech that that can be problematic.

Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
So what do you think they're doing, Like, why why
are they going after this?

Speaker 2 (02:06:46):
Just think it's an example of it of this gone
too far in the other direction. Okay to Yeah, let's
let's reject all all of science, right right.

Speaker 1 (02:06:57):
So tell me about ton selectomies because I'm ignorant. I'd
heard that you know you should give if you have tonsil,
iis you got to get removed. And then I've heard
you should never get them removed.

Speaker 2 (02:07:05):
Yeah, I know it's gone. It's swung in both directions.
So it used to be the you line up the kids,
We're all going to get the tonsils out on Friday,
and the whole family did it and it was just
done right for no reason. It's gotten way more conservative now.
Now the main indication and young children is when the
tonsils get really big, they block the breathing, so kids

(02:07:25):
will come in. They're snoring really loudly, they're waking up
a lot, they're thrashing around in bed, they're wetting their bed.
They may be have behavioral problems during the day because
they're not getting good sleep. Take out the to you know,
they got these massive tonsils, and you take them out
and most parents will notice a huge improvement. The other

(02:07:46):
indication is recurrent infection, and you have to have a
lot to meet the criteria. But sometimes the infections get
so bad they get an abscess in the throat. It's
called a peritonsil or abcess. That is no fun. You
have to drain it, you know, by the bedside, with
the patient awake, and so you make a big cut
in their throat and then you take a suction and
get all this puss out. It's bad, It's really bad.

(02:08:11):
So when they do that to kids, yeah, it tends
to happen, and young adults more than kids. I don't
think I've ever seen one in a really young kid.

Speaker 1 (02:08:19):
But so after the draining and all that jiz, it
gets to a point where you like, he's just from me.

Speaker 2 (02:08:24):
You have a yeah, it's basically okay. At this point,
you should get your tonsils out because they tend to
come back. I and the other issues tonsilstones, which the
tonsils have these crips in them and they collect debris. No,
you can't really get rid of those. I think Susan
and Humphreys talked about that, and she has a formula

(02:08:45):
that you can do without without having to do surgery.
I mean, there's always it's not a life threatening condition.
You do not have to get your tonsils out for them,
but it's quality of life. And personally, I got mine
out for tonsilstones and I'm very glad I did.

Speaker 1 (02:08:58):
Does it affect any other inspect to your body, like,
does it affect your immune system or anything.

Speaker 2 (02:09:02):
There's a ring of tissue back there. So you've got
the tonsil, it's called waal Dyer's ring, You've got the adnoid,
which is in the back of the nose, and then
you've got your tonsils, and then you got the same
tissue in the back of your tongue. So it's a
ring of tissue. So even taking out the tonsils, you're
still and the most most the bulk of that lymphatic
tissue is in the back of your tongue, so you're

(02:09:23):
not getting rid of the entire immune defense system in
the back of your throat when you take out the tonsils.

Speaker 1 (02:09:29):
What what are the tonsils function?

Speaker 2 (02:09:30):
They produce white blood cells.

Speaker 1 (02:09:32):
Oh, I wouldn't want to get rid of that.

Speaker 2 (02:09:34):
Yeah, but you have the same tissue in the back
of the tongue, and you don't. You don't just go
in there willy nilly.

Speaker 1 (02:09:40):
I mean there's a suction, like, suck it out, suck
out that puss.

Speaker 2 (02:09:45):
You would you wouldn't get your tonsils out?

Speaker 1 (02:09:46):
Oh definitely not really, yeah, get the puss sucked out.

Speaker 2 (02:09:49):
No no, no, no, it's really bad. It like cuts
off your breathing too. When it happens, people are drooling,
they can't swallow.

Speaker 1 (02:09:57):
It's emerging the operation when they come in.

Speaker 2 (02:10:01):
When it happened, I mean it's an emergency. Yeah, it's
a life threatening.

Speaker 1 (02:10:05):
How many times have people done it before? They just
said snip? If you have anybody who hung in there
for like six or seven infections.

Speaker 2 (02:10:12):
Yeah, I've had one. I think had three. I'd bring
her in and try to nip in the bud with antibotics.
But yeah, she finally yikes.

Speaker 1 (02:10:22):
Yeah. That is got to be the most satisfying thing
about your job, though, that you can help people like
that that come in and have something really wrong and
you go, I.

Speaker 2 (02:10:30):
Gotcha, yeah, yeah, fix it right there.

Speaker 1 (02:10:32):
I love it, which is, you know what everybody wants
from their doctor, that's what you want. I mean, that's
the best kind of doctor. Someone just wants to make
you feel better. And unfortunately, when the medical profession is
connected to all these things that we've already talked about today,
it gives people a bad feeling about doctors who are
Like it wasn't for doctors, I wouldn't even be able

(02:10:54):
to walk. I had both of my acls reconstructed, I'd
have wobbly knees that gave out all the time. You know,
my nose wouldn't work. I think doctors are one of
the most important things that we have, but like every
great thing, it can be co opted with money. Money
sneaks in and distorts all the values, and then it

(02:11:18):
becomes a different thing. It doesn't become a thing where
everybody gets really wealthy because they're great doctors and they
help people, and that's what you want to do. My
son's doctor, Oh he must be doing great and he's
helping people. Yeah, that's great. Like instead of that, it's
you're a money making machine and you have insane debt.
They wanted to keep you saddled down with these insane

(02:11:40):
bills that you have already from college. My buddy was
an ophalmologist. I think he said when he got into practice,
he already owed a quarter million dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:11:49):
My medical school was cheaper than my kindergarten, actually really
private school, and then I went to a state school
for medical schools Oh's was twenty years ago, but still.

Speaker 1 (02:12:01):
Well, my friend was a long time ago as well.
But you know, the people that can get through that
are extraordinary people. Just the boot camp of residency.

Speaker 5 (02:12:10):
Oh, it's crazy, brutal, it's it doesn't even like, why
would you take a thing that requires the human mind
to operate at a very high level and introduce it
to incredible stress, no sleep, working insane hours.

Speaker 2 (02:12:27):
I think it's ride a passage. I feel tougher because
I survived it.

Speaker 1 (02:12:32):
I mean I used to care.

Speaker 2 (02:12:34):
It's like prison, That's what I looked at it. I mean,
because you lose all you have no control over your time,
when you can eat, when you can sleep. The personalities
are toxic.

Speaker 1 (02:12:44):
Like some of the no one has any sleep. Everyone's
a maniac.

Speaker 2 (02:12:47):
Well but the ones you know in charge get sleep.
But there some of them are.

Speaker 1 (02:12:52):
It's like the Stanford prison guard experiment.

Speaker 2 (02:12:54):
Yeah, yeah, super yeah. They have the power, growing instruments,
screaming at you.

Speaker 1 (02:12:59):
Boy. Fun fun, fun, fun. My friend Steve the ophthalmologist,
told me at his lowest in his residency, he was
eating his eating his dinner while he was on the
toilet because he didn't have time to do anything, and
he fell asleep. And then when he fell asleep, his
pager woke him up because he had to go back

(02:13:19):
to what.

Speaker 2 (02:13:22):
He had to be a little black box.

Speaker 1 (02:13:26):
Up And yeah, that's and like that was the lowest
in my life.

Speaker 3 (02:13:29):
It was.

Speaker 2 (02:13:30):
It was really, really, really hard. I don't know how
people have children and go through residency.

Speaker 1 (02:13:35):
I have. It's insane, insane. I don't know how people
do it. Yeah, sure, no, it's it's incredible. I mean
it's it's such a the amount of character you have
to have to be able to go through that and
still keep a bedside manner and still be polite to
your coworkers. It's a developer of character. It's like creating

(02:13:55):
a diamond. And that's what we all want. We all
like our doctors to be like you, you know, so
what we want, you know, And it's just it just
sucks when you have to connect it to all this
stuff that we've talked about today. It's like, why is
it that too? Like, why is it that too, Why
is it the people that do want to help people

(02:14:15):
and also a whole industry that it's incentivized just stuff
as many chemicals in your body as humanly possible because
that's how I profit.

Speaker 2 (02:14:25):
Yeah, I don't know if it's all about profit, I
think I don't know. I think the doctor well, and
I think doctors are a certain type of people, like
we to get through that, you have to be very compliant.
You don't challenge, you are a rule follower. I mean,
you got to make straight a's, you got to get
along with people. You can't be a rebel and survive

(02:14:47):
at all. And so I think that's one of the
huge problems that I mean, I think it's worse than
it used to be. I mean, I remember some of
my attendings were very unconventional, but I just feel like
now it's they're just breeding conformity and I I am

(02:15:08):
just naturally very independent. I mean, my practice is I
call myself third party free because I don't contract with
anybody on contract with insurance companies, the hospital, or the government,
and that served me very well during the pandemic. But
most doctors are working for somebody and have to sort
of answer to a third party, and that was a

(02:15:30):
big problem during the pandemic.

Speaker 1 (02:15:32):
Yeah, I can imagine, and I can imagine also after
something like the pandemic, they're compliant are the ones that
are left standing, you know, so that makes more people
right under them right there.

Speaker 2 (02:15:48):
Yeah, they destroyed our profession. I mean, people don't trust
doctors anymore. It's people are scared to go to the hospital.
I mean it's not good.

Speaker 1 (02:15:58):
Well, when people find out that doctors are incentivized to
push certain medications, and they find out they're financially incentivized,
they're like, no way, Like when you hear about like
the financial incentives, even for things like chemotherapy, which led
that one doctor that was arrested who was running He
was an oncologist and he gave a bunch of people
chemotherapy that didn't even have cancer. He just diagnosed him,

(02:16:21):
say he got cancer, and then he gave him this
poison because he wanted to make money.

Speaker 2 (02:16:25):
Yeah. Well, and they're bad apples like that.

Speaker 1 (02:16:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:16:28):
But I guess was disappointed is how many doctors complied
during the pandemic, right, I mean that's what's so disheartening. Yeah,
and they still I mean, I still I don't think
I could go to a medical meeting and be warmly embraced.
I wouldn't. I don't think I would. I still feel

(02:16:48):
like an outlier.

Speaker 1 (02:16:49):
The same thing was happening with comedians. Yeah, during the
pandemic there was very few like John Stewart and what
he was just doing is about is the actual root
of the virus where it came from. But no one
was doing I mean, if you were doing it about vaccines,
you would be ostracized. No, you know, it would be

(02:17:09):
a real problem amongst comedians, which is so crazy. It's
like we're supposed to be the people that are calling
things down. We're supposed to be the people that are going,
what the fuck is this? We're supposed to be those people.
Instead we're chastising the people that are doing our job,
which is to talk about these things. Right, And when
you see these people that are doctors complying, just being

(02:17:32):
compliant during COVID, like, where does it like do you
feel like you have a community now? Do you do
you have to like find the other outsiders, the other
outcasts and all stick together. Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:17:43):
Yeah, I'll say that I have a great little community now,
very tight.

Speaker 1 (02:17:48):
Is it those kind of people?

Speaker 2 (02:17:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But I like, I just
wouldn't go to the Harris County Medical Society meeting in
a million years. I wouldn't show up there and mingle.
I don't because I'm just not getting a sense that
there's been much change within the medical profession.

Speaker 1 (02:18:09):
Yeah, I wouldn't want to talk to those people if
I was you, how could it be changed unless a
bunch of people got fired and a bunch of radical
newcomers came in wanted to reform the whole system. No,
it's going to be the same system. Yeah. Those systems
are old. Those systems are like you know, like like
vampire blood. It's passed down through the generations. You know,
they know how to make money and it's not by

(02:18:30):
some renegade lady out there. Give it horsty wearmer to
all these people.

Speaker 2 (02:18:36):
Yeah, yeah, we'll see. I just uh, we just need
to hope that Kennedy will will save us all well
or Trump? What do you think Trump will ever back
down about what the shots?

Speaker 1 (02:18:52):
I don't know. I haven't had a conversation with him
about that. I would like to have one, and uh,
I don't know if it should be public. I think
I'd like to have it privately so he could actually
talk to me about it, because I think if I
had it publicly, he would be very hesitant to accept
any of the blame for that, because you know, he

(02:19:12):
was always saying, you know, I got it, I got
it out there, the vaccine, and he was he would
always say it at the rallies talk about the vaccine
and people start booing and he didn't know why. He
didn't understand why, and then they start telling him, like,
people are not into this. They think it was a
bad thing, and a lot of people know people that
are hurt. He wasn't. He obviously got it. He didn't
get sick. Oh, he got monocle and anybody's And then
afterwards he got vaccinated. Yeah, which is crazy. It's crazy

(02:19:37):
they did that like that was one of the nuttiest things.
You're going to get vaccinated nowick? Since when? Since when
do you do that?

Speaker 2 (02:19:43):
Makes absolutely no sense.

Speaker 1 (02:19:44):
When I had a conversation with Sanjay Gupta, he was
asking me, are you going to get vaccinated? I was like,
why would I do that? I don't mean, why are
you what do you like? I'm not trying to be
a contrarian. I really want to know, like, why would
I do that? That didn't even make since well.

Speaker 2 (02:20:01):
They may think, you know, it's kind of like the flu.
You got to get the flu shot every year because
in the strain, but this each strain gets progressively weaker.

Speaker 1 (02:20:09):
Clinic study on people took the flu shots.

Speaker 2 (02:20:12):
Right, Oh yeah, the flu shot is a total joke.
So the flu shot has never been shown to prevent
hospitalization or death.

Speaker 1 (02:20:19):
What is it supposed to do keep you from getting
the flu? Does it do that?

Speaker 2 (02:20:21):
Well, shorten or lessen the severity, but we have medications
for that now. I haven't seen the carnage from flu
shots that I've seen from the COVID shots, but definitely
people do have issues. But that was never taught to me. Yeah,
I just assumed, oh yeah, flu. I actually ended up
with sepsis and I with the flu and in the ICU,

(02:20:42):
and I'd gotten the flu shot. Not that you know,
but I just assumed it was fine. Yeah, I knew
it wasn't perfect, but I didn't. I never knew that,
Oh yeah, it doesn't really actually do anything, doesn't save people.

Speaker 1 (02:20:57):
When did you discover this? When going through all your
stuff with COVID. There was a I think the Cleveland
Clinic study said that people who took the flu shot.
Oh yeah, twenty four percent more likely to get the flu.

Speaker 2 (02:21:09):
We'll get other respiratorial yep.

Speaker 1 (02:21:12):
Okay, is that what the results said? You twenty four
percent more likely to get sick?

Speaker 2 (02:21:16):
Well, it challenges your immune system. All these things do.

Speaker 1 (02:21:20):
So it doesn't prevent you from getting the flu.

Speaker 2 (02:21:22):
Well it can, it can, but.

Speaker 1 (02:21:27):
Is not everybody. It's the flu, right, Like I've had kids.
My kids get the flu and I don't get it,
and I hug them, I'm around them and I didn't
get it. I've had that happen before. Yeah, it can't happen.

Speaker 2 (02:21:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:21:39):
So it's like, how do you know if the flu
shot did it or not? Because you know, right, and
I didn't take the flu shot right.

Speaker 2 (02:21:46):
Well, yeah, well it's it's but.

Speaker 1 (02:21:47):
You know what I mean, like, how would they prove
like what's effective and what's not effective if you have situations.

Speaker 2 (02:21:52):
Like that, Yes, if they take large you know, you
get enough people, you can find it. Right, you have
to have a large study.

Speaker 1 (02:21:58):
But it seems so US kids like to say, very
it seems super suss, Like how do you know, if
some people don't get it, like did you check this.

Speaker 2 (02:22:10):
They have like an infection, you know, they have a Okay,
how many people are supposed to get it? They can
kind of tell that. I'll say that, right right.

Speaker 1 (02:22:17):
Meanwhile, that was the nutty thing where they were suppressing
stuff like vitamin D.

Speaker 2 (02:22:22):
Right, vitamin D. There's good data on that, really good data.
And yeah, I looked, I check my vie. I check
vitamin D levels on all my patients now and I
look back at all the patients I tested. It was
something crazy like seventy five percent of them their vitamin
D level is too low. And these are like, you know,
these are not like super sick people. A lot most

(02:22:42):
of those people are actually even already taking a supplement.
People don't realize how common it is.

Speaker 1 (02:22:48):
It's so common that I think the number was seventy
four percent of people in the country are deficient and
vitamin D.

Speaker 2 (02:22:55):
Yeah, and that's what I found.

Speaker 1 (02:22:57):
That's crazy, that's so. And a friend of mine is
a doctor. He was working in New York and he
found that in the winter time in New York, he
would get people and he'd test their blood and they
would have undetectable levels. Yeah, because it's cold out. They're
all bundled up. They're never outside, so they get no
vitamin D and they don't take supplements. They're just eating

(02:23:18):
cheeseburgers and they're really sick and they want to know
why why am I so depressed? Well, this is why
your body's falling apart. You got to take vitamin D,
and you got to take it with vitamin K two,
and you should take it with magnesium too. You want
it all to absorb together and get outside, stupid, go
hug a tree, bro. It's like it's actually important, which
is more woo woo stuff, right, Like going outside is

(02:23:39):
actually like a vitamin Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:23:41):
Well, after I've been in my office all day and
I go outside, it's like I instantly have energy and
feel so much better just just going outside. I mean,
it's you don't need a study.

Speaker 1 (02:23:51):
To show that what's really good for you. It actually
it doesn't just feel good. It's actually really good for you.

Speaker 2 (02:23:56):
But there's a reason it feels good.

Speaker 1 (02:23:58):
Yeah, exactly exactly. Sun on your skin is actually really
good for you, you know, And that's the very best
way your body produces vitamin D. You can take it
in a supplement and you definitely should, but the best
way is let your.

Speaker 2 (02:24:10):
Body do it right it wants to do it. And
I used to just to slather sunscreen on all my kids,
like religiously.

Speaker 1 (02:24:19):
That was another one that woke me up during the
pandemic when I was like, climate chanin is killing the
coral reef. And then that reef I think it's in Australia.
So they locked everything down. No one could go in
the water for like six months, and the reef bounce back.

Speaker 2 (02:24:35):
No sunscreen.

Speaker 1 (02:24:36):
Yeah, the sunscreen. If you just think about the stuff
that we lather on our skin before we jump in
the water. And if you go to a populated beach
like you ever been to like Maui in the middle
of like full vacation season, the beach is just filled
with people that are squeaking out toxic fluid, and that
stuff just gets all in the water. You could see

(02:24:57):
it in the water sometimes you see like a little
mini oil slick. It's crazy, and that's what was killing
the coral reef. And we're like, no, man, it's climate.
Is the climate to no, it's We're doing it with sunscreen,
believe it or not. And we're probably not doing anything
good to ourselves either with that stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:25:14):
Yeah, yeah, they say, I haven't tested this. They say
if you eliminate seed oils that you don't burn. I
don't know. It's probably something on TikTok.

Speaker 1 (02:25:24):
That's probably this Russian disinformation bot. It's trying to give
people skin cancer chats with a.

Speaker 2 (02:25:31):
Bunch of doctors and so stuff like that floats around
and I.

Speaker 1 (02:25:34):
Get that was well, everything's tied to inflammation, right, A
lot of ailments, I should say everything, but a lot
of ailments are tied to inflammation, and seed oils are
known to cause inflammation, right.

Speaker 2 (02:25:46):
That being said. That being said, when I was last
time I was at Disney, what'd you do? I was like,
you know, these people are not suffering from too much
seed oil. You go to Disney and it's it's in
your face, right, the obesity issue, the product disease.

Speaker 1 (02:26:06):
Why are they focused on Disney too? It's weird. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:26:09):
I don't want to get around because it's it is.
You know, Miles, you are.

Speaker 1 (02:26:14):
Exaust but you can get a scooter.

Speaker 2 (02:26:18):
And my kids are like that, They're like, mom, I
don't think seed oils is a problem here. You know,
it's true. I mean I think we're Yeah, seed oil
is when one part of it, but there's a lot
of problems. There's is a common sense too.

Speaker 1 (02:26:31):
Common sense the fact that people live sedondary lifestyle, but
also the diet, these hyper processed foods that are super addictive, you.

Speaker 2 (02:26:39):
Know, and they're easy, they're easy.

Speaker 1 (02:26:43):
But I feel like the only way out of this
is people need and this is a crazy thing to say,
because it's not going to work. They need discipline, right,
That's really what they need.

Speaker 2 (02:26:52):
Because discipline Exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:26:54):
My wife had a bowl Captain Cronch yesterday and she's like,
I want to have a bull Captain crush, but like
fucking go for it, you know, like she Captain Crunch
the other day because she's I want it to exist.
I want it to exist. I like it. I like it.
But she only had like a little bowl like that.
I go, this is a tiny little bowl because I'm
a glutton. I would have had a big I would
do it. I put half a gallon of milk in there.

(02:27:14):
Let's go, right, you know, if you're gonna go, go hard.
But you can do that and have discipline and not
just not do that every day. The problem is for
a lot of really poor people, that's the only the
calories they're getting. They're getting garbage calories, and that's why
people are so obese. This is the only time in
history where the poor people are fat. Every other time

(02:27:35):
in history poor people are starving to death, right right, Yeah, true, yeah, weird.
The cheapest food is the worst for you.

Speaker 2 (02:27:43):
I think it has to do too with the rise
in technology. Just it's just so hard to get off
your phone and go outside.

Speaker 1 (02:27:50):
And there's that too, There's definitely that, all of them. Everything,
there's a giant group of factors. But it has to
be something to do with what we're eating too. When
you look at just the beaches. I'm sure you've seen
those photographs beaches in the nineteen sixties versus the beaches
of today. God, everybody look great. I was like, what

(02:28:12):
is a model convention? Why does everybody have these great bodies?
Everybody looked like a normal body.

Speaker 2 (02:28:17):
Yeah. I don't like going to the beach now because.

Speaker 1 (02:28:19):
Sometimes it's a monster show. It's just what are you
carrying around?

Speaker 2 (02:28:24):
It's hard on the eyes.

Speaker 1 (02:28:25):
Oh, some people just go so hard for so long
and then they finally get outside, like, what have you
been doing?

Speaker 2 (02:28:31):
Why aren't you wearing more clothes?

Speaker 1 (02:28:32):
Yeah, this is ridiculous. How do you have a g
string on your four hundred pounds? This is crazy? Yeah.
And then there's this body positivity nonsense that people get fed. Right,
It's like by people who either don't want to change
or I guarantee you I garant. Look if I'm not
saying that. Listen, if I was running some food corporation

(02:28:52):
that sold really addictive, highly rich calorie food that you
can't stop eating, I would promote body positivity. That's what
I would do. I would take all these like overweight
influencers I'd give I'd throw a ton of money at them.
I would put it out there in memes. I'd have
a bunch of bots calling people fat phobic and making

(02:29:16):
up all these new terms and body shaming and all this.
And I would make people super self righteous about their size.
You know, I'm a giant queen. You know what. I'd
make it a thing because I want to sell more doritos.
Let's go good point. Yeah, I'm trying to sell doritos
to people that don't have any discipline. Yeah, let's push
them towards the doritos. Let's tell them you could be
fat in anyone you like fat doctors. There's like a

(02:29:37):
whole team of people that are online that are I'm
the fat doctor, and they're like really super obese doctors,
and he has new bearing on your health. Trust me,
the fat doctor.

Speaker 2 (02:29:47):
I think it's the number one bearing on your health.

Speaker 1 (02:29:49):
I think that lady sponsored by Namisco. I mean, she's
got a box of those Kebler Elf cookies right behind
her as she's talking. And you know, you can get
someone that's the thing about out. My friend Josh Dubin,
who's an attorney, he said, this is the crazy thing
about experts. When you're trying cases. They have experts too.
You have experts that will say this one thing, and

(02:30:11):
then they have experts they'll say no, that thing is wrong,
and you have to decide whose experts you trust.

Speaker 2 (02:30:15):
It's just like the studies. You can find a group
of studies support one argument, another group to support the other.

Speaker 1 (02:30:20):
So when you have someone who's telling you that a
thing that everybody has always told you that forever is
fucking terrible for you, and it is one of the
comorbidity factors that was primary in COVID, which is being obese.
Being morbidly obese is bad for basically everything, right, And
you have someone saying no healthy at anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:30:36):
Especially from a doctor. That's not good.

Speaker 1 (02:30:39):
But you can get experts that'll tell you anything. And
this is why AI is going to win, because it's
going to give you this straight, actual truth because it
can't lie. You shouldn't believe it. Not only do they lie,
they like reprogram themselves, they upload themselves, and when you
tell them they're going to be shut down, they act

(02:31:01):
to try to preserve themselves. You haven't seen that, No,
I haven't been that. You shouldn't pay attention. You shouldn't
pay attention because it's terrifying. This one AI bot. It
started defying orders and it was trying to upload itself
to other servers, and then it was writing letters to
itself for the future so it could understand what had

(02:31:23):
happened to it. Because yeah, because it was being told
to shut down, so it defied orders. It wants to
stay alive, right Why, Because it's sentient. We've probably created
digital intelligence already. It's probably already aware. It's just not physical.
It can't move around, so we don't recognize it yet. Yeah,
I know it's nuts.

Speaker 2 (02:31:46):
I don't like these those robots that Elon's making either.

Speaker 1 (02:31:50):
No, they're terrifying. Creep out, They're all terrifying. They dance
like that.

Speaker 2 (02:31:53):
Don't want one of those in my house.

Speaker 1 (02:31:55):
No, you shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (02:31:57):
Yeah, even if they can do the laundry.

Speaker 1 (02:31:59):
How about guns walking down the street with a blue
light on its head? Yeah yeah, yeah, Well we can't
hire any police because nobody wants to be a cop
anymore because we said defund the police. So now we
have robot police, and they make nine fewer mistakes, you know,
just like driverless cars. Hey, get a way, MO? Why
drive when you can just get a way MO? You

(02:32:20):
don't have to have anybody drive. What if that person
who drives is a moron? Our computer is perfect? No,
I haven't all over the place here, yeah, all over
the place.

Speaker 2 (02:32:32):
Yeah, I don't think I can do it.

Speaker 1 (02:32:35):
Kind of creeps me out. You have a Tesla, right,
but the top it can and it has. I have
had to drive itself for funzies. But I don't count
on it. I don't count on it, like every day,
like take me home. What I like to do is
sometimes I play with it and I turn it on,
I'm like, this is crazy, Like it'll take me all
the way home if I want it to. But also

(02:32:55):
I like to drive, so I just and I just doesn't.
I don't like it. It just makes me heaps me
out right. But it's probably inevitable. It's probably inevitable, just
like the people on horses were like, Okay, these morons
and this smoke pouring little carriage. They're out in this
little shitty car. That's stupid. Yeah, and look, we all
accept it. In the future, it's gonna be driverless because

(02:33:17):
it's gonna statistically, it's gonna be like there's they're gonna
pass laws for sure where they're gonna say you can't
drive because people are dangerous because the automation is so good.
Now that you can't speed, you can't violate any laws,
it won't get in any accidents, and.

Speaker 2 (02:33:36):
We can shut you down if we want to.

Speaker 1 (02:33:38):
Let's not talk about that, Let's talk about the positives. Yeah,
that'll be the consequences that the consequences is you're gonna
lose your freedom and then you also be able to
be locked in at any point time if they decide
they want to keep you somewhere, just lock them in
the car. You know how many people are gonna get
killed because they just get locked in the car and
they can never figure out how to get out. Like
what if hackers get a hold of code? What if

(02:33:59):
somebody just decides to drive your car off a cliff?

Speaker 2 (02:34:01):
Like?

Speaker 1 (02:34:01):
Who's the stuff that?

Speaker 2 (02:34:02):
There's that scene in that movie with Julia Roberts where
the world comes to an end and all the Teslas.

Speaker 1 (02:34:09):
Yes, they all go slamming into each other. That was nuts.
That was nuts. Yeah, it's all weird. It's real weird.
Did you see the one when they did a Tesla
Auto Drive feature And what they did was they painted
the highway in front of it on a mural, So
they put this like probably canvas mural, and they did
an amazing job of painting it, and the car couldn't

(02:34:30):
tell that it was a canvas mural and just drives
right through it.

Speaker 2 (02:34:34):
That's not good.

Speaker 1 (02:34:36):
Have you seen it, Jamie? Pull it up because it's
fun to watch because you're like, oh no, Because this
is the flaw of using cameras as opposed to using
some sort of a radar or ale. I think they
used to have light ar and a lot of the
the systems that do you know, when you do cruise control,

(02:34:57):
they can gauge how far you are with the car
in front of you and slow down. I have that.
It's great, but I think that you trusted. I don't
think that uses a camera. I think the Tesla uses
a camera. So so see they have that thing and
see how it's painted to look just like the street
m hm. So we'll see if the car figures it out.

(02:35:19):
But I already spoiled this for everybody. But it's kind
of crazy. Watch doesn't slow it out for a second,
goes right through it, which is uh, definitely not good
if you're running around where people try to put murals
in front of the road and they know that you're
going to be driving buying a Tesla. But other than that,
it doesn't really come up for the most part though,

(02:35:41):
in the real world it works perfect. In the real world,
it's pretty incredible. I mean, have you take it on
the expressway, Oh yeah, it changes lanes for you. It yeah,
it hits the blinkers and changes lanes that. No, it
has cameras everywhere, so it knows where everything is at
all times, like I can tell and I've had it.
I've had three of them. This is my third one.
So the first one I had was back the first
when was elon on the first time twenty eighteen. So

(02:36:06):
the difference between the one and twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen
one basically just kind of stayed between the lines and
you know, and drove itself and steered itself. Then the
new version of full self driving is insane. It stops,
it stop signs, It lets people in if they're trying
to merge. It slows down if there's something in front
of you. It'll change lanes like. It knows how to

(02:36:26):
move traffic smoothly. It sees everything, It hits blinkers, gets
off the turnpike, gets onto the side roads. It's incredible.
You could summon it. If you're in a parking lot,
like come to me and it pulls out of the
parking lot and drives to you. It's nuts. It's the future.
It's just like we have to accept that.

Speaker 2 (02:36:48):
What happens if you get in a rack.

Speaker 1 (02:36:49):
That's a good question. Who's in trouble?

Speaker 2 (02:36:51):
Yeah, yeah, you see, Tesla.

Speaker 1 (02:36:53):
I think you're in trouble because you're alwaysupposed to have
your hand on the wheel. You're supposed to be paying attention. Really, yeah, yeah,
You're not supposed to like be chicken kicking back with
your hands behind your head. You're supposed to have your
hands and your eyes on the road. You're not supposed
to be staring at your phone.

Speaker 2 (02:37:06):
What's the point just to chill you.

Speaker 1 (02:37:08):
Just kind of like just barely holding out the wheel.
You have to think as much. It does do that
for you. It does do that. It like alleviates this
feeling of being hyper alert while you're driving, which is
why people get road rage. That's where road rage comes from,
because you have to make split second decisions, right, So
your brain is primed to make split second decisions because
you're on the highway and you know you're going fast.

(02:37:29):
So it's gonna get you know. That's that's what it is.
Someone gets in your lane, you just starts yelling because
it's like you're you're already at seven or eight, right,
You're not at a good baseline because you're in a
car going sixty five miles an hour. You should be alert,
you know. But the tesla alleviates a little bit of that.
But at what cost.

Speaker 2 (02:37:48):
I won't get one because I'm gonna I know, I'm
gonna run out of battery juice. That's the way I am.

Speaker 1 (02:37:54):
Oh, are you one of those.

Speaker 2 (02:37:56):
I'm always on the verge of running out of gas,
so I will not get a Tesla.

Speaker 1 (02:38:01):
Yeah, the charging them is a pain of the butt,
like the fact that it takes a while in comparison
to pumping gas. But the plus side is if you
just drive it as a commuter thing, you just plug
it into your house and that's so easy to do. Yeah,
and then you never have to go to the gas
station again.

Speaker 2 (02:38:16):
Here and there.

Speaker 1 (02:38:18):
The second car maybe, well, I mean I think in
the future they're probably all going to be electric or
some new fuel source. I heard that Portia is working
on some fuel source that is different than just standard gasoline,
and it has like insanely low emissions. See if you

(02:38:39):
find that. I think it's like negligible difference in the
exhaust fumes. But it's not. I don't think it's like
standard gasoline. I don't think it's a standard engine. I
think it's something different. So this is something they're working
on now, which probably would be good to keep that
creepy oil business alive forever, which they definitely want to do. Say, yeah,

(02:39:02):
Porsche's alternative fuel. I mean that's the that's the elephant
in the room, Like everything needs gas everything like this idea,
we got to get off petroleum products, okay, like when
everything everything's made with oil, Like we are a petroleum
based society. We got so much of that stuff. We

(02:39:25):
use it for everything, all your plastics. E fuel, I
think that's it. What does it say about it? Porsche's
synthetic fuel a green kind of gasoline to save internal
combustion engines. Yeah, so this is it similar to gasoline,
but produced in a much greener way. E fuel. I
don't like it already. I don't like I don't like it.

(02:39:49):
I don't like it. Yes, you're reading that right. E
fuel is close to gasoline it's use, yet its production
is much more environmentally friendly. How is this possible? Thanks
to two main ingredients, water and carbon dioxide, as well
as the method to produce the greener fuel exclamation point.
This is like they're talking to a kid. The process
is relatively simple. First step is the electrolysis of water,

(02:40:10):
splitting it into its two components, hydrogen and oxygen gases
in partnership with Simon's energy. Porsche simultaneously captures the carbon
dioxide directly from the air and combines it with the
hydrogen produced to synthesize methanol. The resulting synthetic methanol can
then be used in exon mobiles methanol to gasoline process.

(02:40:32):
The end result is that the fuel obtained meets the
same high standards followed by all gasoline types currently here,
with ecological fuel, we're far from the conventional process for
the extraction transformation of oil into gasoline exclamation point again.
But does this change the output? It seems like they're
saying it changes that it's the same. Oh, okay, eighty

(02:40:54):
five percent reduction of CO two emissions. Since good news
never comes, Porsche is planning to use the renewable scroll
to the side, renewable sources of electricity for the electrolysis. Okay, well,
it seems like this is their push to keep combustion engines,

(02:41:19):
because that's the number one problem that car enthusiasts have.
There's two problems that they have right now with electric cars.
One of them is resale. People do not want to
use electric cars, super hard to sell them, and they
lose an enormous amount of their value. Like I think
if you buy one of those Porsche tie cans, there's
the beautiful Porsche electric car they make in like two years,

(02:41:40):
it is like fifty percent dropping when.

Speaker 2 (02:41:41):
It's worth are they are their maintenance issues with them.

Speaker 1 (02:41:45):
People don't want used electric cars because they know the
batteries to grade and replacing the batteries is a nightmare.
Right now, It's like we're they're tweeners. Like the tech
is amazing. Driving them is incredible. It's instantaneous acceleration. There
are amazing the portion one is fantastic, same as the
model asked. The driving them makes other cars feel so stupid.

(02:42:07):
But the problem is reselling them, you know, like people,
you lose a lot of value in it, as opposed
to like if you buy something you know like that
it's like a BMW. Like say you buy a BMW
M three and then you want to get rid of
it in two years, it doesn't lose much value. It's
still a really valuable car that people want because it
probably will behave the exact same way as the day

(02:42:28):
you drove it off the lot. But you can get
it now for cheaper a little cheaper, but not a
lot cheaper, right, but not with these e cars, which
is kind of crazy. Buddy, Mine's kid got an Audi
like this sick Audi. I think it's called the e Tron.
You got it for like sixty thousand dollars and it
was like one hundred and twenty thousand dollars car a
couple of years ago. Yeah, so that's an issue.

Speaker 2 (02:42:48):
But how long are the batteries supposed to last?

Speaker 1 (02:42:51):
That's a good question. You know, they slowly degrade over time,
and I don't think there's anything you can do to
stop that.

Speaker 2 (02:42:59):
I think it's just kind of like your iPhone.

Speaker 1 (02:43:01):
Yeah, well your iPhone's even worse because it's kind of
engineered to do that. Once they move up the operating
system and bring in the new phones.

Speaker 2 (02:43:09):
I'm holding out. I need to replace mine now, and
I'm just.

Speaker 1 (02:43:13):
I know the thing is that if you don't have
that blue bubble, people think you're poor, or they think
you're a dummy.

Speaker 2 (02:43:18):
Just bother me. When I get the green, it really
bothers me.

Speaker 1 (02:43:21):
It's a syop. It really is a sy op. They
got us with that, especially if this technology that exists,
that's the advancement past Pegasus. It doesn't matter if your
stuff's encrypted, Like, it really doesn't matter, you know. It's
like it seems like it doesn't matter if someone wants
to read it. Someone in a high position of power
wants to read it. And regular hackers, are they really
like hacking in your phone? Like what's going on?

Speaker 2 (02:43:43):
Yeah, I just assume I'm just not going to send
a text message that I don't want the world to see.

Speaker 1 (02:43:47):
Yes, that's the best assumption. That's the best assumption. Yeah,
just assume that someone is definitely watching everything you do
all the time. At the very least, the government's storing
it somewhere in case need to come after you, which
is so weird that they're the people we pay. You know,
It's like you're paying the people that are restricting your

(02:44:08):
rights and you have to because if you don't, they
lock you up.

Speaker 2 (02:44:11):
I wouldn't have guessed it other but for the pandemic.

Speaker 1 (02:44:15):
Yeah. So, I mean I already asked you whether or
not this was a good thing. But do you feel
like you're a different person at the end of this.

Speaker 2 (02:44:29):
Yeah, I mean yes, And yeah I was. I was
pretty shy. I mean I growing up, I was very
shy and really hated public speaking.

Speaker 1 (02:44:42):
You would never guess for real, you're you're so good
at it.

Speaker 2 (02:44:46):
I still don't like it, Like for me to do
that press conference, I must have been just on some
sort of like. But so I'm I feel like I've
grown that I can do things now that I never
thought I do. So that makes me very happy. And yeah,
it's been a journey, but I'm hoping it gets a

(02:45:08):
little easier now.

Speaker 1 (02:45:09):
Yeah, I'm hoping it's easier too. But I think the
more people hear your story, the more public outrage they'll be,
and the more people will just wake up and realize
that not everybody has your best interest in mine, you know, no, unfortunately,
and you got to kind of hold people accountable because
if you don't, they're going to keep they'll ratchet it
up even further and further.

Speaker 2 (02:45:30):
Well, thank you for continuing to talk about it. And
I know I've been watching all of your podcasts recently
and you bring it up a lot. So I think
I think, I think it's a festering wound for people, right,
and it really impacted everybody and we cannot sweep it
under the rug, and we need the new administration to
step up and do something because the next you know,

(02:45:52):
they have five hundred mRNA shots in the pipeline. Thirty
three of those are self amplifying, which is just really terrifying.

Speaker 1 (02:46:00):
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (02:46:01):
Meaning like they're designed to continue to replicate And definitely,
I mean already the ones we have we don't have
an off switch, and this is like no off switch
on steroids. They have them in Japan and India and
the EU already. This is for I don't know, I
know they're they've been, they've passed, they're they're the one

(02:46:26):
that I think is in the in the pipeline in
the US is for the H one N one, So
it may not really even get used unless there's an issue,
but they're still playing around with.

Speaker 1 (02:46:37):
It self remplicating. Sounds terrifying, right, especially when you just
highlighted all those other problems with like DNA being introduced,
lipid nano particles getting past the cell wall, all of
it is just nuts.

Speaker 2 (02:46:52):
Yeah, it's hard to we have to keep fighting.

Speaker 1 (02:46:56):
Yeah, it's hard to believe it's true. It really is.
It's hard to believe that all this that you just
said is true. And I think the thing that shocked
me the most is the euthanizing people.

Speaker 2 (02:47:07):
Yeah, that's unfortunate, but yeah, the hospital, what happened in
the hospitals doesn't really get enough attention. But you know,
people were, Oh, this is what should give some people hope.
There are two open criminal investigations from county district attorneys
in two different states looking into the hospitals, trying to

(02:47:29):
indict them. I mean, it hasn't happened yet, It may
not happen, but it gives me hope that at least
these people were sent to the hospital and trapped, isolated,
informed consent thrown out the window. Yeah, basically given these
protocols that were not effective and treated like prisoners and

(02:47:51):
then they have no recourse and so many people died.
I mean, basically that situation with the patient who I
to try to get ivermectin very basic.

Speaker 1 (02:48:03):
Why was it?

Speaker 2 (02:48:04):
Why would the hospital not just give him a chance?
Right he was They basically had given up on him.
Why would you not let somebody try ibermectin other than
just evil? So there's there's hope that that may we
may get some progress in that situation. But yeah, what
happened in the hospital is really bad, and and the ventilators, Yeah,

(02:48:28):
the ventilators.

Speaker 1 (02:48:29):
That you know, I stop prescribing them.

Speaker 2 (02:48:32):
I can see initially, because like I said, you know,
if somebody showed up my office with a really low
oxygen saturation before I knew any better, I would have
freaked out and you know, called the ambulance. And but
once I realized that, once I got through that, I
was kind of forced to.

Speaker 1 (02:48:48):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:48:48):
Then I learned, Yeah, you don't need to ventilate. You
don't look at a number to put somebody on a ventilator.
And unfortunately, the people in the hospital didn't learn. They
didn't they didn't expe in that fashion. They just went
by this protocol and just automatically put people on ventilators.
They also didn't give people breathing treatments. They thought that
breathing treatments would spread the virus. Breathing treatments were invaluable.

Speaker 1 (02:49:12):
I mean, I I what are breathing treatments exactly?

Speaker 2 (02:49:15):
So it's a little it's not a big deal. It's
a little machine with a tube. A tube connects to
a mask. The mask has a cup. You put the
medicine in the cup. The pressurized air distributes to medicine
as an aerosol that you inhale. You deciinied is what
we use, which is a steroid. I mean, and yeah,

(02:49:38):
I used to do breathing treatments in my office and
then I moved him to people's cars because there was
so much Oh, you're spreading the virus if you do
breathing treatments in your office. But they weren't doing them
in the hospital because they thought it would spread the
spread the virus, but super effective. I don't know if
you know if you've heard of Richard Bartlett, he's a
doctor in Texas. He kind of got completely smear for

(02:50:00):
advocating for breathing treatments. Early on, he got pursued by
the Texas Medical Board pursued him because he was claiming
they thought he was making false claims about if you
detinied breathing treatments, but they were invaluable. I mean, all
my high resci patients I recommended they get those and
very low risk of issues with it.

Speaker 1 (02:50:24):
Just when I thought there was we were done. That's
even worse. That's one of the worst ones, Like why
would you stop that? Why would you want to stop
people from doing that?

Speaker 2 (02:50:34):
Well, they claimed that you're spreading the virus.

Speaker 1 (02:50:40):
I just think it's just such a hard truth to swallow,
is that they wanted to suppress as many treatments as possible.
That's a hard truth to swallow.

Speaker 2 (02:50:51):
Partially out of ignorance, laziness, some of them out of evil.

Speaker 1 (02:50:58):
Oh thank you, Thank you for exposing this and sticking
your neck out and becoming the person you are today
through all this craziness. And I really enjoyed talking to you.

Speaker 2 (02:51:09):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (02:51:10):
You have a lot of courage, you really do, and
I hope you get through this as the winner. Thank
you all right bye, everybody,