Triple KO Podcast Episode 77 - CEO 2024!! - Triple K.O.

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Ripple Ko. Welcome back to Triplek Oh. If you're looking for instant
gratification, you have found it becauseI am with Maximilian the detractor of Commander
Guayas. I am also with JustinWong CEO Third Strike twenty twenty four champions,

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just to be the EVO twenty twentyfour World Champion for Third Strike.
Oh no way. There's so manyJapanese players coming for EVO this year.
It's gonna be insane, Like showthe guy that won Evil Japan. He's
like trying to get that two peetreal fast. Yeah. And yes,
there's bust Out the infamous Justin Turtlestyle. Oh yeah that that didn't really

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go too well, didn't it.And there's some like players I sorry,
I forget who, but you're like, you helped You're helping a Japanese or
Korean player come over EMO this year. Yes, I'm flying out the best
Makoto player in the world, toldme. Naga from Japan. Yeah,
yeah, I flew. I'm flyinghim out because I messaged him right and

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I said, hey, you goingto EVO and he's like, no money,
no sponsor, currency is terrible.I'm like, oh, you know
what I got you right and thered I think the real The only reason
why I paid for his trip notbecause he's the best Makota player in the
world, but because, you know, he's obviously really good at thirst Strike.
But when I asked him to playa set when I was in Japan,

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He's agreed. He came to thearcade, he beat my ass,
and he gave me a bag fullof anime figures that I was a fan
of. So I'm like, wow, that was the That's the nicest ass
beating I ever got. And becauseof that, I felt like, you
know, he was like so welcoming. I was like, you know what,
I'm gonna give him a chance togo to EVO Vegas for his first

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time and see what he can do. I looked at the bracket. He
has a very good shot of makingtop six, so I I'm really excited
to see how well he'll do.Evovokoto is definitely on top eight. Character
and third Strike. It just ithasn't happened in the last couple of big
tournaments, but still like, yeah, she's her destructive power to just wrap
your life apart with one command.Grab Is is definitely there. Because I

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was gonna say a Makoto winning likean EVO Third Strike, Yeah, that'd
be hype af and it would belike capcom going people like Makoto. Yes,
yeah, I also don't want peopleto tweet Young Chung Lee top six
again, so I yeah, Iwant to people to see that Third Strike

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has a lot of variety, becauseusually when we see variety, it's always
the co Op Cup team tournament fivefives. But in singles, obviously Young
and Chung Ley dominated, just likeeven Japans. So told me, Naga,
if you could make top six,even just make top six, nineven,
wind the whole thing you see,just like a Makoto player there.
I think a lot of people willget very hype and probably cheer for for

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tolmy Naga just because it's not Youngand Chung Lee. Yeah, and I
think we're competing with these games,these older games that are like figured out
right, and the top eights areusually solidified when you have prize pools that
are this big, bigger than mostevents I've ever been. Marvel three is
like the best example of that,where I was losing my shit. An
iron Fist player was in top threefor Marvel three. I was like is

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crazy. He didn't get very far, but it was like, bro,
though, this is nuts for thisgame. So I think that's the same
thing for Third Strike, where it'sjust like, yeah, obviously, like
Dudley and Makoto are are super goodcharacters, but you know Youwn and Chun
are on an echelon even above Ken. That is like I even wish for
Ken's to show up in top eightis how much they get figured out a

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yearn for Ken's crazy part, Cheeringfor Ken to be in a Third Strike
final sounds stupid, but to bereal, like when you come down to
like push and shove that Ewen andChun just dominate a lot of that space.
So yeah, a character like Makoto, who's obviously one of the best
characters in the game suddenly being liketop three or something, that person will
be Champion of Earth if they makeit that far. Champion of Earth.

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I'm looking forward to that. So, speaking of tournaments, just and you're
at CEO and then you went toSouth Korea for yeah, World Cyber Games.
It was a cyber games. Itwas a team event of Team USA
vers Team Korea verse Team Japan.The funniest part was they flew me out

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as the streamer, right because theywanted me to play against the Korea streamer
and the Japanese streamer, So thatwas like the exhibition match aspect. So
I was just in Korea just forthat one match, and to be honest,
I just can't say no to goto Korea just because I love Korea
so much the culture. But overall, I mean this was a really great

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event, not because I had agreat a blast, but more of just
like USA dominated against Korea and Japan. Yeah yeah, Team USA one Punk
literally destroyed everybody and carried the teamall the way to victory. And because
of that, I mean a lotof people are kind of saying, like,
damn, is this the year thatUSA finally wins a street Fighter evo

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because last time that was like twothousand and eight with John Choi. That
was the last time that USA wona street Fighter even how long ago.
Yep, wait a minute, Sowhat what would have Choi have won in
eight? Because it was either likethree S or Super Super Turbo. He
won Super Turbo STO and he wonCVS two that same year, so he

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won two evos back to like inone year against uh Ohnuki in st and
Boss in CVS two Best fireballs instreet Fighter history. John Joy yeps,
Damn, I'm still like my eyesare still bugging out over two thousand and
eight. I was like twenty tenno nothing, Yeah, I was like
wait S four wasn't even out then, So I'm like, which, yes,

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which Street Fighter was? He andChoi didn't play Third Strike, so
I'm like it's one of the others. Yeah, street Fighter e x three.
Dude, Choice still plays. Likewhen when the pandemic was going down,
I was just like looking for stuffto watch and Vye was getting back
into Alpha two and he would justrun sets with John and it was the
most enjoyable stuff to watch, likeAlpha two sets. It was like,
oh, this is so this isso cathartic for me seeing like these old

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players like the best at the games, just going back at it again.
So he still plays now on fightK like you know, like a super
lower boyd bris one and like theevents and everything. Last year he was
at EVO, John Choi and theRetro Committee flew out the best Alpha three
player in the world, Version fromJapan, and John Choi beat Version in
the Alpha three side tournament at EVAwell, shit, yeah he did.

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So like he's he still plays theseold games like crazy, like it's insane,
Like this is like after he finishedwork, you know, puts the
puts the baby in bed, logson fight k plays some old stuff running
back repeat. So that's like kindof like his lifestyle right now. What
was also really enjoyable? I haveto say, I'm not sure if Max

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has heard it, but Justin andYipes on a common terry team together is
I don't know if this is likethe first time you guys did. You
must have done it before, right, Yeah, we've done it before a
few times already. But I thinkit's more just like we just vibe,
right because we're like we're both fromNew York and everything like that, so
and we just we just really liketo pick at each other. I think

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that's the most funny. So yeah, justin you guys' commentary, do it
was awesome that the Marvel Finals wasgreat? Right? I have to have
to ask you a question in atheoretical Marvel versus Capcom two Twitch Rivals event
that could potentially go down after theyou know, the game comes out,
and a theoretical one in a fantasyworld that doesn't exist in a position like

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Yipes and Justin Wong, folks thatare good at commentary but also know how
to press some buttons in Marvel two, just a little bit, what happens
if you know that our commentators shouldalso be players. Oh, you know,
that's kind of tough. Actually,I actually been having a lot of
fun just commentating more often and justlike explaining the games, talking about the

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thought process. So I feel likewith Marvel two, like because I've done
Marvel two commentary in the past,and a lot of people, you know,
obviously don't know too much about thegame, So maybe I think it'll
be better as if it's a TwitchRivals that I would just be more of
a commentator. Sure, maybe ifI or maybe I just fight the boss,
I'll be I'll fight the last lastthat is the content creator brain.

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Because I thought the exact same thing, and I was like, buddy,
what if like and I haven't evenjust just this a theoretical fantasy world.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, justthrowing out the thought process that like,
what if one of our commentators,you know, what if like Justin for
example, fought the winner or whoever, would feel comfortable like fight our commentators
and run that run that set,and then if if the person that won

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the tournament could also get like abonus if they also like win this set,
that would be really cool. Yeah. I think that would be a
pretty cool, like kind of likehidden boss battle type of thing. That
would be pretty sick sick. I'llbe down. That would be down for
that. I kind of came tothis conclusion when we had Yipes do commentary
for Marvel three, where it's like, yeah, yeah, this is also
super good at Marvel three, Likehe can definitely take several people that were
in that tournament back in our TwitchRivals twenty twenty event. So I felt

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kind of bad asking him to bea commentator exclusively, but he was like
super down with it because he's alwaysincredibly shool dude. He just wants to
do cool shit. Yeah, Soat this point, it's like, yeah,
I think we can make a specialcase scenario, you know, in
a hypothetical fantasy world to get youguys on the sticks as well. Yeah,
they're on the show at some pointtoo. There is a collection coming

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out too. We should definitely haveYipes on the show close to close to
the collection coming out to sell Yeah, that would be pretty cool. Yeah,
but then we tell him that,But then we don't talk about Marvel
at all. We talk about likejank Yard games. Yeah, we talked
about her guys the whole time.Evil Zone. Yeah, he just said,
God, bless the Ring. Godbless the Ring, God blessed,

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bless the r Him being put outof his comfort zone a little bit is
watching the Deaf Jam Fight for NewYork CEO like top eight and him having
played it a little bit, buthe doesn't know all the tech neither do
I Have you seen high level defJam Fight for New York max because it's

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been at CEO historically. Yes,And to be honest, I got lucky
when I played do def Jam playthrough on my end. I had like
the number one deaf Jam dude inmy chat giving me tech tips, and
I was like, oh, sothis is where this game goes Holy crap,
because I thought I saw a littlebit of it, but the amount
of just dashing like with canceling.Somehow some characters can do that. I

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don't know if like every because onlycharacters get different styles and shit like weird
different like kickboxer, wrestler, likeall this kind of stuff, and it
really depends on which style you pick. And this was like the most unhinged
tournament because they let all the bandcharacters he played Snoop Dogg, Snoop Dogg
and Suspect and and Carmen Electra CarmenElectrics like the back's stupid fast. Speaking

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of rivals, Bless, my rivalBless is in the game, and he's
not he's not banned. So I'dnever seen those characters played at a high
level, and I was like,this is this is crazy. The only
thing wrong with that top eight isthat when they when the other commentator range
Ringe Ring, he's telling Yipes thatall there's fatalities in this game where you

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can throw people into like off abuilding and stuff, and he tells him
you can throw people into a subwaytrain like Little Combat style, and Gipes
gets really really excited. They bothget really excited, and they get so
close to it happening, and thenin the last match of Grand Finals,
someone gets thrown into it, butthe feed cuts to the players reactions before
it happens. They don't get tosee it. They didn't even know what

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really happened because they're watching their monitorsand and I was like, no,
you can see it happening though,and everyone in the chat's like, oh,
they just cut away. No one'sto blame. This is why I
think for and a lot of thosesituations that bugs me as well. Let
the cinematic super Rock Brother, Likein most of those games, they'll just
they want to cut to pop offfeed as quickly as possible, And to

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me, I think there needs tobe either like a picture and picture or
a double feed, right, orlike yeah, double them over here and
over here, so at least youget a good idea of what it looks
like like and then you can pullthe I hate that shit, dude.
I hate that, Like, oh, we want pop offs, we want
big moments on it. I getit, but it also is like fucked
up in case something really cool happens. Yeah, the only thing I could

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say is that the start of theanimation is the same animation that happens when
you throw someone off the roof.It's just that the end result is different.
It's like the camera looking at thecharacters are getting run over by a
train versus the camera that follows youwhen you fall out the window. But
the starting combo that happens is thesame. So I can understand someone that's
like just watching a casually going oh, we've seen this before and cuts away.

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It's like it's like Dragon Ball Fighters. How they had those crazy dramatic
finishers that were like prerequisite based andall this insane shit. And then you
cut away from that, which happenslike once in a blue moon, and
all of a sudden, oh,we got to go back to the feed.
Now there's just confusion. You know, I haven't watched those in a
long time. I don't even thinkI've seen like anyone that are added post

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launcher. Imagine that happening in atop eight, dude, the fucking audience
would be losing their minds. Andfor some reason, we're looking at the
players. I mean, we getthat, guys, we get that Mortal
Kombat all the time. They justsay rematch all every time they finished,
like finish him. Yeah, buta mortal combat because we've seen the Mortal
Kombat stuff too much and it's tooeasy to get while like, yeah,

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like a subway finisher and a dramaticfinisher and Dragon Ball are actually rare,
especially a tournament, because yeah,the Subway is especially like you have to
be in a specific to be thoughtthrough it, you have to have to
be close to you have to haveblazon and like it all has to come
together, and like in the entiretop eight, you know, like an
hour of footage or more. Itmaybe happens the the the actual cinematic finishers

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happened maybe twice. I think maybesometimes. But that was that was really
high. I watched I don't know, Justin did you see the first two
fifteen in Marvel three? Did yousee Justin? Did you see that first
of fifteen? It was? It'son YouTube, So it's on YouTube.
It's on Tampa Never Sleeps. Yeahsleep. It's a couple of really good

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players. You should watch it.I should. I should try to watch
it one time. But legit,thought that was really exciting. Like when
it was ten to ten, Iwas like, holy shit, you know
it was. It was crazy becauseI I rewatched it like the other day
and I'm like, man, it'sa fifty one minute video, Like I
don't know if I hadn't so Istarted watching it and I'm like, damn

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it it ended already. Like that'skind of like how I felt like,
fuck said, Yeah, it wasa really fast set. But for the
fact that it's fifty one minutes.You don't really, you don't really,
you don't realize fifty minutes past whenyou're watching like like a first to fifteen,
especially a back and forth says really, who was it? I'm using
again? He was he was usingDante Dormamu's strange Okay, So it's kind

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of an interesting team. It isn'tlike a zero may crop or like or
like a Morgan shell or something.So you had you have obviously an interesting
team, and he has an interestingteam. That's why it went so quick
where it's like, yeah, dude, we're just saying new different things all
the time. Yeah, that's whyI think it went like a really good
like pace. And it was different, right, It's like you said,
it's not the meta high metas shell. So did you have like any other

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experiences from either event, because youhave a lot of news stories as well
this week, But if anything else, cool happened at either CEO or World
Cyber Games. Oh cool CEO news. And I don't know how much this
important. This this for you guyswith CEO is getting the f out of
Daytona next year. I mean,it's it's very big. I'm really happy,

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just because you could tell when Jabaileyannounced it, like he started like
tearing up like at the like inthe ring because he's like, yeah,
he's been he's been waiting to announcethis because he couldn't get out the contract
with like the Ocean Center. Sothe fact that he's finally free from Daytona
and then like pretty much like youknow, everyone's like reaction to, like,

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oh man, I can't wait togo back to CEO next year and
everything. Yeah, and it's rightnext to Supernintendo Land as well too,
Like that's super crazy to the themeparks, like you can turn this into
a vacation, which is exactly whatI'm doing next year. I'm gonna go
back to CEO next year. NiceI think so too now that it's next
to Super Nintendo. And that's thething, Like Orlando was the hook,
right, that was the Yeah,it was at the window all those years

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before I found myself even going backto those spots in Orlando unknowingly like in
October and like CEO Taku was happening, I'm like, oh shit. But
still it's like, yeah, that'slike a destination spot you just around all
the theme parks and shit, andyou know that new crazy ass resort.
It's probably going to be more expensivefor sure, but you know, all
things considered, I think venue valueis probably gonna be much higher. I

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think it was. Yeah, Ithink it's like two fifty a night.
It's pretty pricey. Yeah, yeah, pretty pricey. But I mean I
think that's with the discount code.But we'll see, hopefully, like whenever
they announced it, like it willbe at least maybe one ninety nine.
I think that would be a gooddraw. But two fifty to close the
three hundred, I mean, man, that's more expensive than going to EVO

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at that point. So we'll see. It looks real nice though it looks
it is very not really too.It looks like it looks like a Bahamas
sort of like resort. You know, it's a huge resort. Each stage
from tecn Hey, you might aswell just jump into that next. Yeah,
let's jump down a bit because Isome people were like, is this

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a mistake? Was this did someonewith it? That? IGN released a
ten minute long really in depth breakdownon Lydia ahead of We're recording this on
the Thursday, so the can panelall about Lydia supposed to happen later tonight.
So some people are like, wasthis an unlisted lane? Yeah?

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Yeah, so, but it justseems like no, IGN just has early
access to play it. So Iwatched. I watched a bit of this
and like, coldly, shit,is it a technical in depth because I'm
not sure. I think Egen hada breakdown on Eddie. I didn't watch
it, but this was a reallygood breakdown, like ten minutes of just
every individual new move, uh,just how all her stances like get activated,

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and like one of her new costumeswhere she's just wearing a nice suit
jacket and jeans. I was like, that's that's nice and refreshing because she's
she's having fun, but she's alsoat work, which I always like in
a costume, like in addition toher her regular tech and seven default where
the gee is pulled down, whichalways looks fucking sick whenever you see fan

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art of like Makoto or other charactersthat just have half the gee down and
like they're like training outfit underneath thatlooks super super cool. But still no,
we're not at the the tecond panelhasn't happened. Still no date on
her, but it has to bewhat next week? I feel like there,
it has to be next week,you know, Evo's next week.

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Maybe I feel like playaboy EVO.I think that would be a smart move
because you know, like they justannounced Marvel Collection is gonna be playaboy at
EVO, So all these moves needsomething. You need to do something to
get the people there. City ofthe Wolves is playable for the to the
general public for the first time,so to say, I think Takeda is

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also going to be playable and announcethat, yeah, is playable at EVO,
and they they also announced that likea week later at Comic Con they're
going to have a panel for mK one about the future of Mortal Kombat
one. That sounds interesting. It'slike, hell, yeah, dude,
I'm surprised that's not at EVO.But at the same time, Mortal Kombat
goes big for uh San Diego ComicCon all the time, Like, yeah,

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they do, and I I hopethat there is a tease at EVO,
right, Yeah, they need todo that. Taketo is going to
be playable at EVOS, so we'reprobably gonna get a Takta trailer sometime this
week or something like that, becauseeveryone's going to know everything by the time
we're at the event. So ifthere's a spot that you know, you
can make MK one look mad appealingto the hardcore audience, which is obviously

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where the game is sort of lackinga little bit, then you know,
maybe that would be it. I'mstill in the firm belief that like MK
one is really close to being likea super awesome game. It just needs
some It just needs obviously some workin some directions. You know me and
are you don't want to combat,well, you don't want to combat one
guy, Max, that's that's Iknow. You guys have barely I know

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most most people dropped off, andI don't blame you. I stuck around
for a lot longer than than manydid, and I keep going back and
I'm just like not super intrigued bythe new stuff, but I see where
it's going and it's like, Okay, this can be really cool. But
it's like they're deliberately chaining themselves tothe wall where it's like, yeah,
but you just let it rip,dude, just let the game rip.

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Like specifically, like they're there's there'sthere's an opportunity for them just to like
let fun go. Let's just let'sjust have fun. But they're not doing
it. They're like almost being reservedin season one where it's like, Okay,
some stuff is fun, but thenthey keep taking away fun when it's
too fun and it's like no,no, no, this isn't this is
an assist game, dude, yougot to let this ship rip. And
that's that's my biggest gripe with itright now, is that I hope they

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let ship rip in season two.Well, Home the Homelander's a lot of
fun right now for a lot ofpeople. Yes he is. He don't
get me wrong, he is supercool. It's I think it's the other
stuff, like more ambush cameos,you know, all that, all that
kind of ship. Yeah, it'sjust right now. I think right now
they're talking about a lot of thecommunity is like they whope Polelanders banned because

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he has an infinite pretty much andyeah, we'll see. He's also the
he's also an evil guy, like, let's not be a piece of ship
ship had Superman In that announcement ofTiketa, like being there, they're being
basically a Tiketa build ed boone kindof went in a multi part thread on
Twitter just saying that this Tiketa buildsor like when Tiketa comes out, there's

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gonna be a pretty substantial patch that'slike giving new Ambush sorry new like cameo
special moves, like a lot ofcharacters like brand new Ambush moves, cameos.
It's like, whoa, holy shit, because it rated highly in the
pole that he had like a fewweeks back, where it's like new characters
and cameos was like the number onething people wanted, But ambushes, I

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think we're like second or third.Yes, so they're they're going hard in
on that. But it's like,I think I mentioned this last time.
It's just like whatever the San DiegoComic Con show is. I hope it's
not just like here's new DLC characters. I hope there's like we start talking
about Mortal Kombat one Ultimate now yeah, or something that kind of says this
is a new refresh. Because Idon't know about you, guys. I've

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been thinking about this for a whileand I've seen this comments. I don't
know if this is even logistically possible. Can you offer a mode that says
no cameos? Just because I alwayssee this complaint on threads where it's like,
I hate the cameo system. It'snot what I want for Mortal Kombat.
Can you please make it like anoptional mode where I can just do
one v ones? And in mybrain I was like, no developer will

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ever do that. We built theentire game around it. You can't just
do that now, So it's all. The interesting thing would be about that
is I have not heard anything abouta one v one true However, early
on in the game files, andthis could be just early code when the
game first came out, there wasshit in there for an actual tag mode.
Yes I mean that for a tagmode, and like an actual,

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like proper two v two tag modethat I think the cameos weren't there,
so it's like, oh shit,so that exists in some way. Either
it was like the foundation or thebasis, and people still like you know,
managed to mine the code out ofthe unreal engine for the game.
But I I get excited thinking thatthat could be a different mode like actual

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true TWOV two, Like holy shit. Man. Granted it wasn't successful in
Mortal Kombat nine. It was cool, but nobody played it, so will
that be the thing that really getspeople on board with MK one. I
don't think it will be because,buddy, like, I'm gonna be very
real here, the Mortal Kombat audienceis fickle as shit, and if you
don't do exactly like Mortal Kombat iseffectively the call of Duty of fighting games.

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It's massive, it's huge, andeach iteration from one to the next
has like minor changes. When youchange stuff too much, everyone gets big
mad. Some people like it,like people that like gameplay stuff get really
happy when things change a ton likereally change. But still if you deviate
that much outside of the one vone nature of the game, I don't
know, man, I don't knowif that'll pull people back in because because

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compared to like two D classic MortalKombat, right, it was very small
changes, like tiny things agains likedial of combos and that's kind of it.
And in the three D games,essentially they're all the same, right,
just the style switching. This inthe new era of Mortal Kombat,
it's like there's substantial, huge changesin every game. Yes, like you
know, variations in MKX and anMK eleven whatever the fuck it was,

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Yeah, what was it? Evenin m K eleven. It was just
it was the defense eleven was justin Justice three, to be completely honest,
Like a lot of the stuff theway things worked in MK eleven was
very Injustice, like the breakaway stuff, the fact that you can tag on
like you can use meter on topof an existing special move for like a
mix up. That's exactly the wayInjustice works. Then now we went we

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reverted in MK one old school meterusage, you know, like the way
things act is going back to MortalKombat nine, when everyone's way happier with
that. Well some people are wayhappier with that. Other people's obviously aren't.
But it was clear that like MKnine and MKX were born of the
same blood, right like those gamesare like, oh, MKX is mostly
just Mortal Combat nine with like running, you know, like cool. M

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K eleven was something completely different,was like a new Injustice in many ways,
and now MK one is something completelydifferent again. So so like,
big ups to them for always changingit. At the same time, it's
like, yeah, what you saidis correct. It's like people, it's
like I don't I don't like this. This what I mean, it's still
selling super well, Like it's stilllike in the top twenty of like you

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know, Street Fire six and Techand eight have already kind of dropped out
because Mortal Kombat is, like yousaid, the Call of Duty. It
still hangs around there. It's justthat, as we saw in the EVO,
uh participation numbers for each game,it's like the second lowest I think,
well, yeah, bottom two.You can't. You cannot doubt the
audience pull that Mortal Kombat has alwayshad. You can't. But do I

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think this game is selling as goodas Mortal Kombat X or MK eleven?
Hell no, no, I don'tthink so. I don't think so.
It's it. But will that?Will that still be better sales than all
the other fighting games outside of Smash? Absolutely, Mortal Kombat has just got
such a bigger reach and a biggeraudience. The problem is that audience doesn't
give a fuck about playing the gamecompetitively. Yeah, they don't. They
just want to fatal their friends.Yeah, they just want fatality to their

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friends, their family, everything likethat. Or or watch it once and
never play it again, you know, Like that's that's the relationship a lot
of consumers have with the Mortal Kombatfranchise and and as a as a Mortal
Kombat one content creator right when itwhen it is seemingly okay, because it's
it's almost impossible to make content aroundMortal Kombat without getting your channel demonetized.

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The other content creators that make videosfor m K one have echoed the same
sentiments that I had. People lostlost interest so fucking fast, dude,
Like people fell off of this gamealmost like harder than m K eleven and
m K eleven, Like there wasa big drop off on audience really fast
because there wasn't much to like learn. Everyone was sort of playing characters the
exact same way, you know,and there wasn't enough variety to from one

(27:48):
person's gameplay to the next person's gameplayto be like, well, I want
to see how this person plays thischaracter that No, no, you pretty
much play the character that way.So k MK one has that problem to
a certain degree because you know,just pick Chameleon Cameo, it's just the
best ship in the game. Yeah. So anyway, I think that's a
that's a challenge that Mortal Kombat ishappening with. It's like game design is

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that or most interest game design isthat? Ever since Mortal Kombat X it's
hard to really get some individual identityin the gameplay styles, and people just
kind of play it the same.I think they could turn their fortunes if
they add creative fatalities. I thinkthat would good idea, be the best
idea I've ever had. Yeah,create a character and create a fatality,

(28:33):
creative never done that before? Ever? Create create a combo. Yes,
just make fighter maker Mortal Kombat.You should, you should do create a
fatality and rip out seven spleens.Just another one, and another one and
another one. Did you see thisvideo going around saying in the Competitive Mortal
Kombat Armageddon space, if you ifyou just do the thing that switches the

(28:59):
care's side, like you do thatinput where you switch a character around so
they turn around. That's the fatality. And you just do that fifty times
in a row, and it's justthe most annoying shit and no one can
do anything else. I kind oflaughed at the term Competitive Mortal Kombat Armageddon
space. They're out there in thesestreets, they're out there, They're they're
representing, they're representing, like I'msure catch are working hard. So let's

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jump to the new game that waskind of announced not too long ago a
Bleach Rebirth of Souls a little bitof the gameplay showing the trailer, and
it's still kind of unclear whether thisis really an arena fighter or like actual
like no, it's like Demon Slayer. It's kind of like an arena fighter.
Looks like an arena fighter to me. Yeah, it's it's it's like

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one of those Bandy Namco games wherethey're like, you know you want this
game. It's it's been a longtime since we released a Bleach game,
so we know, we know whatyou guys want. They literally took the
way Demon Slayer is played, thegame that they released and just put Bleach
in it. Yes, it's it'skind of like literally a copy paste a
traditional arena fighter anime game. Justlike similar arena all these mechanics, everything

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that's kind of the same, andwe just the difference is franchise, Like
this is a different franchise. Yeah, the who developed the Demon Slayer.
Okay, Cybercnnect too. This theBleach game is actually made by Tamsoft,
And I was like Tamsoft. Tamsoftthey created toshin Den. They have not

(30:33):
made a fighting game in all time. Yeah, yeah, they haven't made
a fighting game in a long time. What they have made was the Centron
Kagara series and Oni Chambara. Sothe last game I played from them was
One Chambara Origin, which was likea nice looking cell shaded remake or you
know, reboot other franchise, andthat had the most mechanical depth of anything

(30:56):
with the zombie Bikini Slayers name.So that's the last thing I played from
them. Was actually quite good.But in terms of fighting games, I
haven't made anything in a while,and I just thought, at least that
was interesting. I was like,holy shit, Okay, they haven't made
a fighting game in a while.I wasn't expecting them because yeah, I
was expecting cyber Connect, but TamsoftI kind of I didn't even know that
they were still around. It's crazythat cyber Connect is. I mean,

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if they made that that Demon Slayergame, that they are still out there,
that they are practically I think theoriginator of the Arena anime game.
I think the games yeah, likeDragon Ball games. I think they kind
of like started it. No,did they make the didn't they make the
PS two one that was more likesmash They could have Yeah, I geez,

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dude, this is either a tossup between cyber Connect two or dude,
no, it was. It waseighteen eighteen made the GameCube ones.
The weird off games are cyber Connecttwo and Eiding, And there's one other
one who made a service wrath uhcyber Connect that was cyber Connect to Okay,
okay, yeah, so those thoseare the big ones where it's like

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cyber Connect to an aiding the weirdlike offshoot. Sometimes they venture into like
uh a Dimpse but dim dims hashistory and a lot of two D games,
right, the venture off into theselike weird other franchises every once in
a while. Even Xis has donethis with that. Uh geeze, there
was overture? Was that overture?No? No, there was another anime

(32:25):
game that came out a few yearsago, like three or four years ago
that was like an arena anime game, Arxist. Babe, there's my it's
a shown in Jump one right,it's jumping. It's got like animig girls
that like their transformation has crazy likebikinis are super revealing a saren No,

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it's like a big anime. Peoplein the comments are screaming costume and a
girl with like a slight like redhair and her fucking make a bikini is
black and red. God damn it, dude, is a fighting game?
Oh no, our no, no, no rg b y I don't I
don't know, bro, no JesusChrist. And that everybody in the comments

(33:13):
is losing their ship right anyway,like you're about to say. The jat
arcs Is also puts out these kindof games. They put out one like
a few years ago. It wasmade by the Evangelian Uh I think Gynax
did the animation. Oh god,I'm sorry sorry, kill a Kill,
kill a kill. We got there, boys, our old brides, because

(33:38):
that game actually did look quite hypefor a little bit, but then like
it kind of just, you know, like kind of went away. You
know, even even when it's madeby our system works, it is what
it is. It's just like,yeah, it's the problem with those games
inherently is that it favors one character, it favors one player play styles,
because like it's it's third person,dude, it's the Hammer's back here.

(34:00):
So when you want to fight somebodyelse, you have to like split screen
it, and that sucks for thesake of competitive It just sucks. It's
all about unlocking and all the likethere's eighty characters or not maybe maybe that's
in dragon Ball's case, but there'slike, you know, thirty characters.
It's all about unlocking the ones thatyou like. This. It's the reason
why, uh. The only otherdragon Ball game outside of dragon Ball Fighters

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that's been taken like competitively kind ofseriously was dragon Ball Super or Super dragon
Ball Z on PlayStation two. Yes, one was also kind of arena like,
but the difference is it's very threeD. The difference is the camera
defaults back here. Characters are here, so it still gives they go in
and out a little bit, butit isn't completely like, oh like all
of a sudden, we're just favoringone side of the fight so much.

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And it's very motion like. It'sjust motions for like supers and things.
It's not like you know one buttonspecially Yeah, yeah, it was.
It's it's still the one that isplayed like if you watch old dragon Ball
games or any other dragon Ball gamethat's not Fighters, that's the one that
saw has kind of like a competitivescene. I think that's the one that
like actually the creator, like thethe guy that created Street Fighter one and
then left Capcom. I think isNotitani. I think what he made Super

(35:09):
dragon ball Z was it. Yeah, it's Super dragon ball Z, not
dragon ball Z, Super Super dragonball Z, super dragon ball Z.
It was maybe by Craft, It'smade by I think, Yeah, he's
still there, Arika and Crafts andCrafts and meisters he is that it was.

(35:30):
It was like they made Imagine inthe Forsaking Kingdom on the p S
three, like they they didn't lastsupermar Brother the director of Super dragon ball
Z is literally okay, guy thatlike made street Fighter, Yeah, yeah
that I remember burning that on myPS two specifically because I was like,

(35:50):
this is street Fighter three D threeD street Fighter on yeah because it' any
money and and and me really lovingand then like yeah, I think either
got wind quote or someone did areally good video on it just explaining how
how good that game is. Whilewe went on a tangent. So yeah,
Bleach Rebirth of Souls, Like there'sbeen a bunch of fighting games for

(36:13):
Bleach, like two D ones aswell, even remember there being a Wei
one that was actually pretty cool games. Yeah, is the best one.
So excited to see if that,like you know, looks cool because like,
I like Bleach enough. At leastit's an anime. I fucking know,
you know, I mean, I'mgonna buy it just for the for
the fan service, yeah, servicejustin No, you know, just like

(36:37):
doing bang Kai shekais fan service orgeneral fan service. No, I'm trying
to see these cut scenes because Ilove the cut scenes. Yeah, it's
like the it's like the Dragon ballZ dramatic battle. That's fan service.
Yeah, fish School of the Deadfan service. No, not that.

(36:59):
All you want is now, I'mnot trying to see the assets jiggle like
that. I don't want to seethe fights. Yeah, I want to
see each of those assets jiggles.The other kind of big thing announced was
for two XKO, the game thatstole our name kind of so Brahm is
the new character that they announced,and I was like, you know,

(37:19):
me knowing nothing about this universe,I was like, that's a fucking cool
assude. Yeah. And that's whyMax made a nightmare Fuel thumbnail for his
vide. I love. I actuallylove that thumbnail. I was like,
oh damn, that's a nice thumbnail. I don't want Max and me mixing.
I don't know, I made oneof our editors, a thumbnail artist,
Jorge, because he's so good atgraphic design stuff. I'm like,

(37:42):
dude, can you just do this, I'll just pay you more. He's
like, yes, so highly defensive, character, cool gimmicks, big shield
is just the whole thing of thisguy. And then it's just like,
but here's these cute little guys thathe throws at you two for a ro
option and yeah, yeah poros andthe Am I gonna get into League of

(38:05):
Legends? Oh no, no,no, you're not, no worry,
but I'm intrigued every time I seea character. There's never not There hasn't
been one character I'm like, oh, they're just lame. I will not
admire them in some way, eitherfrom visual design or the move set.
There's something always interesting going on.They've been They've been cooking. I feel
like ever since like the first fourcharacters and then announce to Alawi uh the

(38:28):
characters like now Braun, they justhave been cooking with creativity. It looks
so well like the personality of thecharacters. Like when I was watching this
Bron Yeah, I was watching thisBron trailer and I'm like, so this
guy he literally has auto guard andthe fact that Mammy has auto guard and
you could call your assists during autoguard, Like, it's insane. I

(38:49):
have never heard where a thing whereyou could have because when I think about
auti gard, I'm thinking about like, oh Kio, like you know,
like the special moves, but there'sno follow up afterwards. The fact that
you could do a follow up withit, it's just insane. It's just
so creative. I love it.The direction on this one, the direction
and the facial animation when he doeshis ultimate on the character that he's hitting

(39:10):
yeah, and the characters are makingthese crazy faces. I was like,
that looks. That looks better thananything Arxis is done, just in that
little moment of like Arcis does agreat job on it, obviously when people
have like the crazy level threes,but this was just like one step above
where it's like all the amount ofcare done on this animation, just these
little like fuzzy guys hitting into thecharacter and their their facial expressions like,

(39:32):
damn, this looks amazing. I'llstill always lament the first version of the
game having that more painterly style tothe to the textures or the graphical overlays,
on them, but still like,you know, these trailers super in
depth. You know, the everyonethat's presenting the game, that worked on
the game, they're doing a supergood job. And Crystal Clear always four

(39:55):
K footage. You know, we'restill struggling a little bit with S and
K just uploading videos that are notquite up there, but they're making strides.
So yeah, I think this wasa really cool. Dude, I
bet we're still assuming this game isgoing to launch with like a tiny roster.
Yeah. Yeah, Like and evennext year is the supposed release date,

(40:16):
it's still general twenty twenty five.So then I do not predict anything
over and this is actual releast nota beta, right, I do not
predict over ten characters. I thinkten characters I was thinking. I was
thinking like ten to twelve, Yeah, because I think because the alpha labs
are like the first session where peoplecan actually play from home. I think

(40:39):
that's coming soon as well too.So if they're already like releasing like an
alpha, that means like at leastthey're halfway done right in terms of like
wanting to release it possibly. Yeah, So there's some interesting stuff there.
Because me and Justin we can't talkabout everything we saw and every character we
saw like a year ago. ButAllowie was definitely in in an early state

(41:00):
and it was like some ideas werepresent. We got to try her and
stuff like that. The interesting thingto note is that unless I completely forgot,
Brom was not there. Brom wasnot there. Yeah, he brought
me a conceptual form yet, yeah, Brom was definitely not there. We
saw Lowie like you said, butBrom Nah, he was definitely not Yeah.

(41:21):
There were some other concepts that wecan't really talk about of characters that
might or might not show up inthe game. But the interesting thing was
that, like, yeah, Brom, it was no nowhere present, no
gameplay stuff, nothing to mess aroundwith. So he just kind of seemingly
showed up out of nowhere where It'slike, whoa, I don't remember this
guy. What the heck is goingon? That's fun. He's gonna be
play a boy EVO, so that'spretty awesome. So I'm really excited to

(41:42):
try him out. Okay, Idid see this, you know, me
not knowing. I'll defer to thelegal Legends expert Max because he did that
one video where you looked at abunch of the characters but that's more than
me, and I don't know ifthat's more than justin But I did see
thing where someone's saying, like,I am a little disappointed right now that
everyone they're picking our humanoids that Ididn't even know this that like like Legal

(42:07):
Legends has a bunch of like crazymonsters and animal characters that you can just
put there for visual variety, likeyou know, they'd be just cool to
have one or two. And I'mlike, oh, I didn't know that
that would be cool, because ifyou have what like a thousand characters or
how many they have, i'd imagineputting in one or two that are not
just humans would be a good move. I actually didn't think about that.

(42:28):
I totally did not think that therewas all the characters so far are just
humanoids. Yeah, yeah, Ididn't. I didn't think about that.
I mean, Girl with Fox Talesis as close as we're getting. But
that's that's it. Yeah, AndI think I'm sort of waiting for like
a super cool character, like anaggressively cool character. Yasoo is cool because
he's a samurai, and samurais arejust naturally sort of like quote unquote cool

(42:49):
characters. But yeah, I knowsomebody has really done it as of yet,
Like we kind of want like anedge Lordy Dante start at style guy,
I'm looking like a really like Inaturally gravitate towards like cliche cool characters,
you know, and really happen theyhave. They have the vampire character

(43:09):
name Yeah, I forgot his name, but he's a cool vampire looking character,
so I think he would look prettycool in two x K. Yeah.
They they have a lot to workwith on the league front. In
general. I'm just saying as ofright now, you know, yeah,
to be to be completely honest interms of like character archetype, like giant
buff character wielding big heavy thing waswas in no ship already done this is

(43:31):
that. Now we have the maleversion of it as well. M hmm.
We got three giant big characters.We got True Louie and Bron They're
three big bulky characters. Yeah three. Yeah, Roster is giant bulk lords
with big thing. Now I'm talkingeven bigger like Potemkin or that stupid demon
guy from Samurai Showdown, the BigRed One. Yeah. Yeah, Like

(43:52):
I want a character he takes upthis screen. Yeah, I want a
sentence. Yeah, I agree.I think that's wonderful variety. Yeah,
or signal or a juggernaut. Ohyeah, and it should be a big
monster too and should win things bywatching anyway. So yeah, bro,
I'm looking cool. Uh definitely.So yeah, justin added this in and

(44:15):
I forgot about it, or Ididn't forget about it, just like yeah,
it was just the other day,uh, I guess. Because the
makers of Doda are tired of waitingfor two x KO to release, they
decided that Doda two would have anew patch that would have a two D
fighting game with moves traffic into it. I have not because I still don't

(44:37):
know what DODA is max download.I have not downloaded it, but I
watched like videos of it and I'mlike, oh, this is like literally
ten frame frame per se. Itlooks like it looks like a flash game.
It's super tech in it. Apparently. I'm actually curious, like what
its mechanical depth is that they dothey do anything interesting mechanics or is just

(45:00):
like every other two D clone thathas a focus attack and you know,
like old school street fighter. Itbeing called sleet fighter to Immortal Combat is
very like I want to say,April Fools like coded, you know,
so it's like, here's a funthing that we can just do. I
want to say, didn't Warframe havesomething like this? Warframe like had a

(45:22):
two D fighting game for a littlebit or something, and no one,
Okay, cool. The closest youget from me is playing flash game flash
fighting games on new Grounds or cartoonNetwork dot com. That's the closest you
get from me. Yeah, yeah, that's that's what Justin's real competition.
Competitive edge comes in with the flashgames. But yeah, it looks it

(45:43):
looks pretty neat, you guys takeit away. New tech for Cable discovered
in Marvel versus Capcom roll that guardbreak tech is growth. So justin explain
how that's working, because I've thoughtof that in the past. I'm pretty
sure everybody has where it's like,yeah, if you catch them on a
high hyper viper and then let theirguard run out on the fall, that
doesn't naturally work. It's the DHSo it's it's not a guard break,

(46:08):
it's an unblockable. And what happensis this this tech is already known,
but just not known for Cable.We didn't know Cable could do it,
and how you normally did before wasyou use iron Man's proton cannon, and
right when you're about to land onthe proton cannon, like right when the
beam is about to hit you ifyou date c right there in terms of

(46:29):
the visual, like it's about tohit you, you cannot block the first
hit of the beam, so youinstantly just get juggled, right, And
that's why when Cable is doing theupbeam and going to the down beam and
it's not even hitting the character,once you date c for some reason,
the invisible beam hits you and youjust get juggled by the rest. So
I just lost it. Yeah,I lost it because I'm like, I

(46:51):
didn't think there was a reason todo this Ghostbuster look spam the laser up
to laser down, and the factthat they like and I don't even know
how long he's been playing Marvel too. He's just like the new guy that
I've been following in terms of thisdude's been finding crazy tech from a crazy
tech crazy combos. Like he's likea genius and I'm just like in love.

(47:13):
Every time I see some I seehim post something new, I'm like,
yep, locked in. So Isaw a couple of his videos we
talked about it before. Some ofthem were utilizing like the Bison on screen
glitch, which prevents like pushback infrom combos and stuff that allows for different
combos to happen. But Bison islike back there. It like messes with
some aspect of the game where youknow, either blocks in or hits done

(47:34):
doesn't move the character as much,so you get a lot weirder combos.
He that was like one thing.Everything else he's discovered is actually natural combo
state, right yeah, And it'sall natural combo state, even the one
where he found a way without usingBison to just lock the window screen so
like your character can't move. Sonow he has like a new Silver Samurai
Infinite. It's like kind of crazydoes the stuff that he's been discovering so

(47:58):
and all the stuff that he showedto this Cable one, he's showing practical
scenarios of like how to do thisside the stuff is unblovable from my air
throw from getting hit by Captain CommandoCorridor. So this is like legit tech
that Cable players can use. Andit's really important, I guess because when
you think about it, Cable hasbeen falling off in the competitive Marvel ten

(48:19):
really really yeah, he was gettingreplaced by iron Man because you know,
of General Thriller and a bunch ofthe other iron Man players been just like,
you know, three hundred percent kill. But this gives Cable players a
new hope because now they can setup unblockables and put you to situations that
they couldn't do before. So soit's it's interesting because we're about get a
whole bunch of new people that areabout to play Marvel two. What is

(48:40):
Team Scrub in Marvel two? It'slike Cable, is it psych which one
is it? No? So itis Cable Sentinel Commando. There you go.
So, so those scroose teams areabout to become like really popular because
they get results fast, right,So this stuff was definitely applies to those
characters, like it makes Team Scrubeven like way better by but still asking
people to do all that precise timingis not going to be easy. One

(49:04):
of the best ways to tell peoplelike, how do I play Marvel two?
It doesn't make any sense. Idon't really land like big combos,
Like, well you don't really,it's kind of hard to do that.
Instead, you just call assist intoa juggle state and shoot them with a
fucking laser and that'll get you allanti far yeah, call antire sis.
But what I really appreciate that thiscable tech is more of just like,
okay, so this applies to everybeam super So that means you could probably

(49:27):
set this up with Reu, Shinku, Douken Super, a bunch of those
characters with beam supers can you canprobably make it as you can probably make
it unblockable with that like one frameda se glitch. So I'm really excited
to kind of see like what otherpeople are gonna find. And with the
Marvel Collection coming out, I mean, we're gonna have a brand new wave
of like you know, lab monstersthat played Marvel three go into Marvel two

(49:52):
and they're gonna find more stuff andmaybe like kind of like show off like
really cool stuff. I don't thinkthe game's gonna evolve in terms of like
new meta, but I do thinkthe tier under God tier, like the
Trap characters, will get a lotbetter. So it's an interesting thing because
and on my mentality is still lockedin this way of thinking based on the

(50:14):
history of Marvel two, where likewhat is good in the game was figured
out and decided kind of really fastand in the second year, and it
sort of just stayed that way wherepeople never really gravitated to the other stuff
to discover shit. And then youget like Magus old over the past like
four or five years, people thatactually put time into the weird characters start
finding some dirt. And I appreciateyou doing this over the years and you

(50:37):
know, hustling the shit out ofpeople with shitty characters quote unquote. But
that's the thing is that there justhasn't been a lot of dedication to it
because the scene is respectively small,and the people that showed up to play
Marvel two again, you know,kind of just went back to their old
traditional teams, the MSP's, themss's, and they just ripped. They
just will destroy fucking everything because theyare really good. I'm saying, if

(50:59):
we get more people like this Japanesedude and and people that are new jumping
into the game that are like,well, I wonder how this shit actually
works, I'm I think this islike the best opportunity for NBC to kind
of expand, to be like,well, now we're going to get a
lot more eyes on a lot morepeople finding some weird shit, yeacause I'm
really excited for that because it goesback to like when a game is getting

(51:21):
tested, right, I you know, I tested games for years that when
you get the game out in theworld and it's finally out, like you
have millions more paid people playing,potentially thousands at least millions at most,
So like a game that's been aroundfor so long, Like, yes,
publishers, if you release your oldgames and make it an attractive proposition value

(51:45):
wise, game wise, you're gonnaget people like reinvigorating everything on it.
Like and this is the best exampleof like all those games are coming back,
and it's just like I don't knowwhy, you know, I get
frustrated why WB doesn't release all thesefighting games that they still have under their
banner because they bought a bunch ofMidway you know, S and K has

(52:06):
made strides in that thing, butthey still have all these old kofs,
all these old fatal theories. They'rejust kind of like stuck on PS two
collections and stuff. If you ifyou, if you do it and you
make it a good value proposition,you're gonna get people discovering new tech you're
gonna get people sharing stuff, You'regonna be talking about your games. It's
an interesting proposition because Justin, asyour example, you got a lot of

(52:29):
experience in learning other characters because youwere winning money doing it, right,
Like that was how you were gettinga lot of your value at tournaments.
Was like taking money from people bybeating their you know, top tier teams
that could editor please splice in thepicture of Justin with the money in the
car, but yeah, literally,people would not money match, Like I'll

(52:50):
get jealous because everyone's money matching likeall the other top players, but they
don't want to money match me.So I'm like, all right, how
can I get the money matches toroll? Because really, these people are
winning more money than me winning thetournament sure at this point. So that's
the interesting thing is that MVC twoas a game as a whole has not
largely had like an online community thatis easily accessible. Even owait MVC two

(53:15):
respectively does not have, like didnot have a massive online community. Is
mostly just big Marvel two heads playingthe same top tier shit all the time.
What I'm saying is that if weget a game like MVC two that
has the exploration to like fuck withlower tiers and and really get the time
to like put time in to fightingthe better characters, which is what some

(53:35):
people did, like you and MagusOld and a lot of these guys with
these low tier teams to really figurestuff out. Rom Nido all the crazy
nash stuff that he did. Thatthat the ability to get access to even
play your shitty team against good teamsjust wasn't that much. Ever, No,
you're you're You're not wrong. Imean the best example of like somebody
else doing it, like besides myselfas a video videos like the old tonn

(53:57):
Guy where I row Colossus Ken.Before COVID, there was a marvelous CoCom
to like major tournament New York andhe put Sanford Kelly in loser's bracket in
Winter semis so as against the Santhrax. So it's possible. It's definitely super
possible. And that's the thing,is a Ken if we get the opportunity,
and the toughest part for like vdois that he is already engrained in

(54:20):
the community, has had the chanceto fight all these good players and figure
it out and go to events.People just don't have that ability. What
if we gave people that ability,and you obviously can't give people the ability
to fly and go everywhere, butyou can give him the opportunity to fight
a whole bunch of people and reallyexplore their teams without the stress of like,
oh, you know, I haveto win this tournament, so I
have to use a good team,you know. So we're what I'm trying

(54:44):
to say is we're about to getthat. We're about to get a whole
bunch of people that can literally justgrind and play whatever the hell they want.
They're going to go against good teams, bad teams, best teams.
Like they're just going to get theability to figure out the synergy of their
team because a lot of people justdidn't get that opportunity in the past.
It's gonna be really fun. I'mreally excited just because with the rollback,

(55:05):
all the lot of possible lobbies,just like everyone playing the Marvel two.
Oh my guy, it's gonna becrazy fun. It's gonna get figured out.
We definitely got to do like avideo series highlighting like me and you.
We just get together and show peoplesome of like the weird characters and
what they can do, like theJuggernaut glitch and all this kind of stuff
like other characters that aren't specifically likemss MSP type stuff where it's like,

(55:29):
hey, you know, there's somereally cool stuff to mess around with here.
Do you think they do? Youthink they keep the glitches though,
bro then well, rid of thingslike the ruby Hart glitch. They have
to get rid of things like theGambit glitch, Like these are actually game
breaking, So if that stuff youwould think that they know about, like
the really bad game breaking stuff.Even Venom has a weird one that I

(55:52):
don't think is super practical, butstill it's there. Yeah, I think
you get rid of glitches that fuckedthe game up that almost require like a
board restart, like you have toOkay, Yeah, I was wondering because
like the Xbox three sixty PS threeversion, they took away those glitches.
The one glitch they didn't take away, but you can't use it online anyway,

(56:14):
because you know how like there's thefirst attack glitch where you hold the
assistpund yeah, and it comes overthe frame one, So that works offline
on PS three three sixty, butonline you can't switch your character during the
versus menus, So that glitch.Yeah, that glitch is deactivated automatically.

(56:35):
So interestingly I talked to somebody thatwas an ex Digital Eclipse guy that then
they're the ones that sort of madeMVC too. They had the source code
for it, right, Long storyshort, the gambit glitch was not manually
fixed. Oh, by the processof them just taking the code from the
Dreamcast version and making the PS threethree sixty port. Some things just work
differently and naturally, some glitches justgot fixed. Oh that doesn't work anymore.

(57:00):
Cool, But a lot of othershit happened, like cable zero frame,
hyper viper happened and shit. Butbut that's crazy, like they there
was no way for them to goindividually and like look at everything and make
those adjustments. It's just they gotlucky during the port and it's like,
oh, well, the game breakingglitches don't work anymore. Cool, m
okay, just happened. So theother nice thing about like everything you guys

(57:23):
are saying about people getting more handson with it, and it's just being
accessible. This isn't a cross yourfingers and hope this work situation, like
when a new Darkstalkers comes out.Oh man, I hope people buy this.
We know the game is already asuccess. It's like top pre ordered
game on Amazon whatever. It islike the physical just the physicals. It's

(57:45):
killing in Top ten ps four andSwitch for like two weeks. Yeah,
so it's super exciting. It's notlike, oh God, please let Darkstalkers
get a w please. Oh it'salready like in the bag, like you
know it's it's gonna sell well moneythen. Yeah, so super super cool
that that's the stuff is being foundand that's just like you know, the

(58:06):
collection isn't even out. So Iwanted to talk about this because I'm not
sure Max if you've talked about it. Just Herada going in deep on the
concept of character favoritism and how somany people go on social media and say
why do you hate this character?Why don't you put the character I like
in it? And him going inthat really really in depth threat saying there

(58:29):
is a thousand reasons why you know, we choose the characters we do.
We don't take pictures from fans becausewe are liable to get like you know,
maybe even legal ramifications or fans buggingus saying well, you took my
idea, that was my idea.So we just we don't really listen to
fan requests in that sense that ifyou come at me and say I want

(58:51):
this character, this, characters fromthis country, there's all this stuff,
we're gonna we're probably gonna ignore thatbecause we have to make our own choices
about characters we feel it should berepresented. And just we've talked about this
before, but just going to poored Boone's social media history, and it's
just people screaming, why do youhate my character? Why is my character

(59:12):
a cameo? Why is my likeit happens on every game, even you
know, for Street Fighter six,just people you know, not liking the
direction of the season two. AndI don't know about you guys, if
you were in your teens, likeseventeen, even in your like early early
twenties, do you think or didyou get angry when certain characters would miss

(59:32):
out on certain games, like youknow, like Tech and five or Third
Strike or Alpha three, Like there'sstill like do you remember getting angry because
I don't. I don't, Butat the same time, I think there
was a time where I was gettingannoyed were certain characters ring games. But
I can't really pinpoint it. ButI certainly don't. Now I do want

(59:52):
certain characters in certain games, butI know that this is just a revolving
door and they have to keep rostersfresh. It sounds like people that I
have no familiarity with how these thingswork, the history of them, and
they're just like currently on this thingright now and they're passionate about it,
and they'll they'll drop off in thenear future. Yeah. I think the
closest for me of getting upset wasprobably MVCI. I think that was the

(01:00:15):
closes now when I was when therewas no X Men. I mean,
that was valid. That was somegiant sprawling. You know, we're just
omitting this huge amount of characters thathave literally comprised the history of the series,
and that was like out of theircontrol due to shitty business reasons.
Oh yeah. To be honest,I feel like the only time, and

(01:00:37):
this is favoritism, because we'll justsay that what we're talking about is favoritism
here, like your favorite character didnot make it. Okay, there was
one time where I was kind ofupset, But did it cause me to
like go to go to forums andscream and stuff like that. This is
like twenty eleven when Marvel three cameout. I did not specifically love the
launchroster of Marvel three Vanilla Marvel versusCapcom three. I played like iron Man

(01:01:01):
the first month. Dude, thatsucks. That sucks. It sucked.
So but why did I do that? Dude? Strider was gone. Yeah,
it was kind of a rough inmy opinion that that roster got a
lot better with Ultimate Marvel three.There's a lot of nice variety. So
that's the only time I kind ofreally remember where it's like this sucks,

(01:01:22):
like this, I mean, itsucks. I was a Marvel three hater
in the beginning too, Yeah,I was. I think it's because at
that time we were so like,no, mar two is the best,
yeah forever of just like you know, of characters acting like there are Marvel
two versions, like that's the superiorversion, you know. Yeah, yeah,

(01:01:43):
yeah, yeah, yeah. Iremember mine the launch roster sons DLC
of m k X because m Knine had everybody, like literally had everybody
but some like three D characters,and then mk X like just you know,
put in the combat kids. Theywere these combat kids. Was probably
like that mentality the combat kids,fuck them. But then the DLC is

(01:02:07):
like, I don't care anymore.I don't care all the all these horror
icons are here, so it evenout in the end. But I remember
being like, I remember being like, like, yeah, I know,
Mortal komet does probably the most.Historically, Mortal Koma probably does the most.
Uh rotate rotating rosters. Take thesecharacters out. We released a fucking
Mortal Komat game without Scorpion once,yeah, and it was dumb, and

(01:02:30):
we corrected it, like you know, shortly thereafter. But they've done the
most where they just take all thesecharacters out, put all these new ones
in, cycle them out, cyclethem in. But MKX, I remember
being like, man, really themtoo, So I think there's the animosity
comes from a point of view ofpeople that got all the ship that they
wanted in a previous game. LikeSmash Brothers will always have this problem from

(01:02:53):
this point forward, straightforward. Ifthere is a future for Smash, it'll
always have it issued screwed for screwThey're almost screwed for life. The problem
with Mortal Kombat is that Mortal Kombatnine's roster was fucking incredible, Like there
who made it in that game,at least in the core roster not even
including the DC was mad. Itwas like the perfect MK roster, and

(01:03:15):
then an MKX they switched everything around, and m K eleven they switched everything
around, and MK one. Nowthey're favoriting PS two characters. It's like,
bro, can we just get likethe MK nine roster back? And
it feels like almost no games technicallygive that to you. And it's kind
of the same thing with like toa certain degree, like street Fighter four

(01:03:35):
or street Fighter four had a reallygood roster as well of characters that were
just like wide variety, let's bringback almost all the alpha characters, like
all this shit, and now streetFighter five like got almost the same sized
roster, but it felt like itwas somewhat lacking in a lot of ways.
And street Fighter six has sort ofin a similar situation where we're still
I feel like we're comparing it toStreet Fighter four's roster still, which is

(01:03:57):
whenever you look at the I don'tknow how it's been for y'all, probably
not just in that long. Whenyou look at that lineup of street Fighter
four, ultra street Fighter four isroster, it's crazy, that's it's the
goat. It's like in terms,yeah, there's one character. I'm just
I think we might have thought ofthis before. Like, I just feel
bad because for a completionist angle,sodom Is has never returned since Alpha.

(01:04:21):
Every other Alpha character returned. Butto be real, if there was a
character that you could have omitted fromthe Alpha games, it was probably soda
Is. To be completely honest,you rather have Birdie and sodom Ah.
I think that was choice one orthe other, you know, because if
they're they're kind of similar characters ina similar way. They do like big

(01:04:43):
plunging command grabs and ship. Yeah, so I feel like you could have
flipped Birdie or Sodam and the differencewould have been no different, you know.
Yeah, but garbage food eating streetFighter five Birdie, I'm kind of
like I'd rather have of Sowdom intheir Just dude, I imagine that.

(01:05:04):
Yeah, Birdie was pretty disrespectful,don't get me wrong. Sure, yeah
no, but what they did tohim was pretty disrespectful. Because street Fighter
five is of the goof era ofstreet Fighter. Imagine what a wee blard
like Sodam like Ultra Guidgen made byJapanese people. Imagine, and we're gonna

(01:05:27):
really push it right. Imagine thatin a Street Fighter fivers it would almost
be like this is borderline offensive.That could have been really bad. It
could have gone bad. I don'tknow how bad, but like, yeah
it will be. Or they couldhave played it straight and be like no,
he's just like Alpha version again orwhatever. It's just like Weirdo in

(01:05:49):
Armor and he's essentially like a goofyversion of Geese, like American guy obsessed
with Japanese culture. Now he istechnically in Street Fighter six where it's never
expressly said, but he runs likea mert shop. You would know this
Max if we played World Tour modeis nothing. Don't worry about it.
Don't worry about He is like impliedto be the ones selling stuff out of

(01:06:11):
a van, which is very soyeah, okay, you know he would
have been perfect Cross Techan and Ithink he was in the background in Cross
Tech and that got put over theStreet four. Yeah, I think he
was had like a different he wassuper huge. Yeah, he was super
huge. Yeah. So I dofeel for characters that have not been around

(01:06:34):
a long long time and there's like, you know, one of like you
know, in the last the lastseason, Killer of k I. It
was just kind of like you canjust put Eagle in there. He's the
one character that like is a legacycharacter that's always been mentioned and never and
then they put it. I gotto a point where like, okay,
so we added literally everything. Weadded the ultra tech CEO. Yeah,

(01:06:58):
we've been put in characters that haveonly been mentioned and turned them into actual
characters, along with a bunch ofnew characters. Like they they pretty much
run the gamut on all of kilore and turn them into functioning fighters.
So it's like, well they didit, like they pretty much put everything
you could ever imagine, and allof us spurred from people kind of coming
out, oh one one one guyspecifically just saying, why do you guys

(01:07:20):
hate Anna so much? And Ialways gets shipped on and in her ending
she always loses, and Nina's inevery game. How how like where's Anna?
And that's like the most like relatedclone sister character that's very like you
know, attached to another character isbut read you know, yeah that was

(01:07:43):
her, that was her origination.Yes, So it's like I get how
any company we're like, well,we don't want to put them in because
you know, this character is alwayspopular. Yeah, every character has their
fans and stuff, exactly, it'sjust because people love fighting game characters so
much and get why people passionate.So what you're saying is is effectively like

(01:08:04):
people. Anna was in enough gamesover time right where she really grew like
a hardcore fan base. But isshe ever going to make it into a
Tecan game ahead of Nina? No? Never have, absolutely not. Is
there a street Fighter equivalent of that? It's like only the only time was

(01:08:26):
Chun when they took Chunnley away fromStreet Fighter three, and that was weird
and it was not a good.Yeah, she didn't have like a character
that played like there was no newgeneration replacement for her because like complete character
betrayal, Like let's just let's justokay, so the new character, like
the clone Ken is in the game, but not for you? Yeah,

(01:08:50):
I guess, Yeah, I don'tknow. I mean there's there's a Versus
game where Ken was in it notfor you, right, wasn't there?
No? No, Ken was notin mar hast Come one. Yeah,
but you can, but you cantransform into a taken priority yeah about that.
But yeah, like it's it's stillan interesting I like Harada No One

(01:09:13):
is killing it on on social mediawith him with his breakdowns and just explaining
everything. Dude. Yeah, No, It's it's like, I don't think
we've reached an age where someone isthat forthcoming at this information and has experience
and that much tenure to be ableto release that information. Him essentially saying
he had to make a splinter cellat Bendy Namco to keep the tech and

(01:09:35):
project going is fucking crazy that helike, just I'm just going to talk
about this. It's like he cantalk about it because their games have been
successful enough seven and eight where it'slike, what are they going to do?
Fire me like exactly. But eventhen, it's engaging the fan base,
right, there's not really a downsideto it, like long term and

(01:09:59):
everything. So so I always lookforward to when he actually has one of
these boolong breakdowns. H I haveto give a shout out to jam Crofts
and Kyle wim quot'ess video to seewho can out obscure each other with street
Fighters Secret Slash Easter Eggs. Didyou guys see this video? I didn't
do they talk about the coke?Can? They talk about a variety of

(01:10:21):
things? I watched it. Idon't think the coke can is mentioned,
But what is mentioned is the uhturbographics version of street Fighter one. Fighting
street has a secret ending where rugets on a plane and then gets off
the plane and waves to a bunchof press that are like interviewing Reu.

(01:10:43):
It's only in this version. Yeah, he's making a face for audio only
your listeners. Max is making aface like what the fuck are you talking
about? So this is only inthis home port of the game where it
has like a secret ending that wasnever in the arcade version of street Fighter
one. And I didn't know that. I didn't know either. Yeah.
The only one, the only oneI know. Weird weird thing about Street

(01:11:04):
Fighter two is that, yeah,one stage has a coke can on the
ground stage. Yeah, it's likechitten Lee's stage. And they in the
thirtieth anniversary collection when they released StreetFighter two, Digital Eclipse had to actually
get into the spritework of the gameand change the coke can because it's obviously
a fucking coke can. Yeah.That the same thing happened for the arcade

(01:11:26):
went up cabinets cap It was thesame code, like they can't you can't
have a coke can? In there. Bro. Yeah, they add like
they had to remove a lot ofstuff before they were like, yeah,
you guys can release this product.One I really liked is Jim cross point
to the fact that Rolento's Take NoPrisoners super the one where he hangs them,
does not work on Cody because thefinal fight characters, So it just

(01:11:48):
doesn't work on Cody. That's cool. It turns out it seems like that
was more of a bug because thatwas corrected, you know visions. Yeah,
you know what's weird about Cody isthat. Yeah, what's weird about
Cody is that he actually I don'tknow, they didn't talk about it at
all, but Cody has a bunchof glitches like if you have an air
projectile, So if you do Lento'sknife right, and then you and Cody

(01:12:12):
players on VIASM where he gets theauto dodge if you if he auto dodges
an air projectile, he stays inthe dodge position for like ten has ten
seconds. Oh yeah, that's that'svery Yeah. The other thing that was
it was it was changing rocks.I remember this being weird changing rocks and
segott ye there's weird rock position versions. Yeah, yeah, which is again,

(01:12:38):
why that's so bizarre. I mean, I always go to my my
go to now is just inc Ithink we might have talked about it before
a while ago. Calcum Fighting Evolution. There Tea Hawk is in the game
in a background, but he's justa Redrawn Ken Sprite from Third Strait.
He's in Ken's Third Strikes with thearm. Yeah, and they just they

(01:13:00):
just dude, there are so muchthere's so much lazy bullshit in that game.
I hate it, Like some peoplelove it. Some background characters aren't
even like like Redrawn. There's there'sone lazy bullshit and it's that Alex's Third
Strike not character art, but hisnot in game character art, his artwork
that isn't represented in the game atall. He has this post where he's
doing doing this in thirteen Yeah,and they just stuck it in the back

(01:13:24):
of the CVS two desert stage.He's just back there going like that.
Yeah. It's it's the most basedfucking game ever. That shit is amazing
because it's such a weird, Like, how come you don't do that?
Yeah, you guys don't do that. That's not the type of stuff you
do. You do, like,you know, amazing backgrounds and just that
one game being the outlier. Ilove it. Mike Tyson in the background

(01:13:45):
of Street Fighter Ex Three. Whatwas it, mister t O. Sorry
I discovered I feel like I mighthave been the one that discovered this,
like seven or eight years ago orsome shit. When playing the game of
two game running at like a higherresolution, I'm like, is that,
mister fucking team? What the hell? So we'll link that in the description

(01:14:11):
for people to check it out,because yeah, very very good time.
I think we can maybe like gointo what our predictions are since EVO will
be the next thing that's coming up, just in terms of announcements and things,
because S and K and Capcom bothhave come out with a little like,
say, specifically the characters that willbe added into City of the Wolves,

(01:14:39):
one choice at least will make peoplego wa. And the last time
this was said was when Capcom saidour season two characters will make you say
what are you doing? Wait?City of the Wolves or K fifteen sorry,
City of the Wolves? What theI didn't hear that. I heard
that they were going to talk aboutlike they had a panel at EVO.

(01:14:59):
Yeah, they were going to talkabo the future of like kof fifteen and
what that big update is going tobe comprised of. But they also said
Citila Wolves characters. Yeah, theysaid there's gonna be returning characters that you
know will be characters. Also they'llmake you go whah. So I have
a prediction for this, Okay,I'm just saying it's going to be what
but it can't be like, it'snot gonna be fucking scorpion. So it's

(01:15:20):
going to be it's gonna be anart of fighting character. Okay, I
think that's a lock. I Iam gonna throw out megabrain thousand gifts up
sort of prediction. I will shita live chicken if Ken is in City
of the Wolves. It won't begIt'll be like an actual, like grown,

(01:15:40):
mature chicken. That is incredible,first of all. The second of
all, I'm going to take thatprediction and move it over to kof fifteen.
I think there's going to be acrossover character there for sure. I
think, yeah, I think that'salmost a guaranteed. I think that's what
we'll expect. It's guaranteed. Iwon't shit a chicken for that, but
I will craft a live chicken frommy fiber of being and it will just

(01:16:04):
be here. Uh. If Kenis added to City of the Wolves,
I'm going to think of this.I'm gonna think of a metal slug character
in market and Cite of the Wolves. Interesting, all, yeah, you
know why because they've they've been pushingmetals like the last like that's true,
A few titles like they had theythere was like three games that just came

(01:16:27):
out. Messagage is all metal slugrelated. So I don't know. I
did a metal slug character make itinto kof fourteen or fifteen? We got
a stage. It was a GeoBattle coliseum, but yeah, that was
a close. Yeah, we havea stage and we have the music for
fifteen. Then there's there's literally thefifteen like metal slug stage. So yeah,
THEO THEO made it into Maximum Impacttwo and that's technically a kale that

(01:16:51):
counts. Yeah, that count Butsome people say that counts the Uh.
I would say that's a that's avery good likelihood of legisla like oh kof
finally reaching into the metal slug spaceand actually having you know, like the
Chick or whatever her name is orforget that with the hat, you know
ery Ery. Yeah, so forStreet Fighters six, I assume you have

(01:17:18):
to have something. I assume agameplay snippet of Terry. It's a gameplay
trailer for Terry, the same waythat we got like a gameplay teaser trailer
for Bison, if they just gaveus like the full ass, Like,
here's cinematic Terry from story Mode.Hi. He throws his hat for some
fucking reason and he walks over,Are you okay? Yeah? So so

(01:17:41):
so street Fighter mcjobber World Tour guyshows up and he's about to get beaten
by a bunch of like like Ripperand Hopper from like Geese is too right
hand guys. And then you know, a hat falls down onto the floor
and Terry, no the Johnny McWorldTour is about to pick it up,

(01:18:01):
and Terry picks it up ahead ofhim and he's like, are you okay?
And then just buster Wolves, didyou see the new buster Wolf?
Huge are too big? Now we'reall complained. Now it is too big.
Buster Wolf is the most hilarious movebecause it's gone through in every single
game so many different degrees of likeawesome to what the hell to yeah,

(01:18:27):
wow, it's too big, Likeit's the funniest move that and they purposely
called it out and the SAK said, like, no, we we have
taken people's criticisms under advisement. Wehave we have altered Buster Wolf further.
Dude, Maximilian, that's gonna blowout the side of your TV. It's
gonna be a dramatic finish from thefucking DBC fighters. Now it's gonna is

(01:18:51):
Terry's Buster Wolf is gonna knock SnoopDogg into a train. It's gonna affect
other games and susten suast Dan satpast

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