Triple Threat Show Fantasy Football Extravaganza

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Speaker 1 (00:52):
Hello everybody, Welcome back to the Triple Threat Show. We
are your hosts Jeremi La Petis, Meyrov Fittemi, Ryan Burns
and Nolan jam Bourr. Welcome in everybody. We of course
have our Fantasy Football Extravaganza, a day fantasy football right
around the corner. We're gonna go over everything you need

(01:13):
to know. That is every single sleep or every player
that you need to target, and much more. But before
we do, there is a lot to get to around
the NFL. The NFL has been insane today the day
before cuts, right before people find out if they make
the roster or not. Trades, extensions, big signings, and more.

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And we'll start in our nation's capital, may Rob Terry McLaurin.
The saga finally done. The second straight year the offseason
has been dominated by a wide receiver looking to get
his money. This one, of course, a little bit different
than the Brandon Ayuk situation. It always felt, at least
to me, that Terry McLaurin was going to be a
Washington commander, whether that be done through you know, cordial

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means or not. Right, they were able to get this
done at the eleventh hour, right before cut day, ten
days till NFL football three years, ninety six million dollars.
I've heard some people on Twitter and across the internet
saying that's an overpay. My first reaction to this was
that's a good contract. I know people might think Terry

(02:21):
McLaurin at the age of nearly thirty years old, he'll
till in thirty right after week one, Right, he's a
little bit older than your typical receiver getting big money.
But it's not just the fact that he's been a
very good member of this Washington Commander's team. He's been
through all the name changes, dealt with all the ownership
and all that. But also he's a fringe top ten

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wide receiver. He's better than DK metcalf In my mind,
he's better than Courtland Sutton, which people were comparing him to.
This is a contract that I think is fully worth it.
We'll have to see what the guarantees are. They still
have not come out, but three year extension worth ninety
six million dollars, thirty million dollars signing bonus matches DK
metcalfs what took so long? What's your first read on this?

(03:05):
On this deal?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's a crazy deal. I mean this is something that
has been in the works for a while now. We've
heard so much happen from Terry McLaurin saying that that
he's had no contact with the Washington organization. He's been
on the he's been on Live Mike saying that he
wants to stay in Washington, that he's built his family,
in his entire foundation in terms of being growing up,

(03:28):
past college in Washington, He's built his life there and
he wants to stay there. He said that Live on
him in press conferences. It's I'm just happy that to
finally see I think not only is Terry McLaurin happy,
I think Jade Daniels is happy to see it. I
think Deebo Samuel is ready to see. It's gonna take
pressure off of Deebo Samuel on the other side of
the field. It's gonna take it's gonna give Jade Daniels
an extra outlet as a deep as a deep threat

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down the field, which is so important for this offense.
So I think it's really important. I'm really happy to
see Terry McLaurin sign a big time deal with this team.
And I'm not even looking at the numbers too much
because if we're really looking at it, it's probably gonna
be somewhere around twenty six twenty seven million dollars a year,
and then some extra bonuses on the side of.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, well, we'll have to see about exactly how much
that money's going to be. But I think you brought
up a really interesting point there, may Rob, and that's
the fact that he is the difference maker on this team.
All these guys are very happy to see that he's there.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Nolan.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I think he's the difference Terry McLaurin between this Washington
team being a wild card contender slash fringe division contender
in the NFC East into a Super Bowl contender. That
is the difference it makes. It makes them go from
an eight or nine win team to a ten or
eleven win team. What kind of impact is Terry McLaurin
being there officially for this season going to mean for

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the Commanders.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
It's gonna be in the absolute world.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Last year he comes in, you get your court back,
like Jane Daniels coming in now rookie and you have
you know, you're technically that even though he hasn't been
in the league that long, but you have Terry McLaurin there,
and this duo was absolutely lead the last year.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
And that was the first year they were together. You know,
they didn't have that team.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
They had, you know, team chemistry, but you don't have
the best team chemistry they were with your first year,
second year going on, that's when it really begins to
build on, begins to build trust.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
We saw and Daniels.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Feeding Terry mclaughran a lot last year and those numbers
are only going to go up this year with you
know them being becoming such close teammates friends on the field,
off the field, they were like two pieces in the pot.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
They just always have each other's backs.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
They're always i mean, Terry McLaurin is always getting open
and Jane Daniels is always managing a fine downfield.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
I mean, it's really just the perfect scenario.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
The only reason I think he wasn't, you know, going
to go back there, I think he would have been
asking for too much money. And but I mean he's
there in Washington, he's there to say, and he's there.
He's going to be the number one guy on that
team again. He is going to possibly lead them, I
think to an NFC East title. I think they can
maybe outperform the Eagles. Maybe we'll see after last year's

(05:59):
an NFC champion game and questionable take, but I think
they can, you know, make some arrangements. They can you know,
make adjustments and they can be a contender again and
maybe not on the nfcast, maybe it's an NFC the
first seedon I mean team, they are a talented enough
team on both sides of the ball to get it done.
And I think this year they are going to be
not only better than last year, but I think they're
going to be a serious contender to win the super

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Bowl this year with this new you know, final finalize
signing for cham record.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
What's your thoughts on this?

Speaker 5 (06:27):
Ryan, I'm excited to see him stay in Washington. I mean,
he did the really great last year supporting Daniels in
his rookie year. I mean he caught thirteen touchdowns over
one thousand yards. I mean, what more can you ask
for for Terry. I'm glad he got to stay in
with the Commanders for another year and we'll see how
he he does this year supporting Daniels sophomore season. We'll

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see what happens.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, well, well, there's a lot to take a look
at here. But he wasn't the only major piece that
got moved or I guess got his problem. So this afternoon,
Trey Hendrickson, the other big one, one that I really
did not think was gonna get done, signs a one
year deal to stay with the Bengals. Now, that is
a deal that's gonna let him hit free agency after

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this season in twenty twenty six. One year, right around
thirty million dollars for him. That's an underpag. This is
the guy that led the league in sacks last year,
has been near the top of the league in sacks
for the last couple of seasons. There's a lot to
like out of Trey Hendrickson here. He now gets one
season with the Bengals. How much of a difference maker
is he ryan for this Bengals defense? Is he going

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to make them competent? We saw how it was last
year and it's a scary thought that they might have
gone this season without him. What is this gonna mean?

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Yeah, this is this is huge. I mean, we saw
how much the Bengals struggled on defense last year. Keeping
these keeping these stars is an absolute must. So it's
really great to see him sign for another year. Now
what that means after that, we do not know. But
if he puts up another great performance, we will only
have to see it and hope all goes well for

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the Bengals this year.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, may Rob, I know this was big news for you.
Brought it right to the group chat all capitals here,
Trey Hendrickson got done. Talk to me a little bit
about your thoughts here.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
I mean, I'm right there with you, Jeremy. I was
not expecting this to happen, with everything that's happened with
the Bengals, I mean, with this deal now. I know
it's only a one year deal, but do the Bengals
have any more money for anything? Say somebody gets hurt
and they need to pick somebody up off the waivers?
Are they going to be able to do that with
the amount of money that they have spread across that offense. Now,
they're paying Trey Hendrickson big time money, even though it's

(08:43):
just a one year deal. I just don't know where
they're getting this money from. They're growing it on trees,
They're printing it from the printer press. That printer press
must be red hot by the time it's coming out
right now, but I mean the Bengals definitely needed to
make this move. Their defense was on was you were
treading the line of scoring forty points and giving up

(09:04):
forty points every single game. So I'm looking at this
was a big time move. I'm really happy that they
did it. And I mean the Bengals could be back
on the defensive end of the ball.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
What you got, Nolan, Yeah, I mean them bringing back
you know, Tranderson is it was honestly, we all knew
was gonna happen. They couldn't let their star on defense,
their best defensive player walk away a one year, fourteen
million dollars. You know, it's gonna keep him there for
the year, but after this, he's gonna be wanna be
signed again unless he if he doesn't get paid more
than this next year, he's going to leave.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
And we all know that.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
But this, you know, them bringing him back with him boss,
obviously they finally brought back Shamar Stewart. They finally brought
him actually, and he's not even listed as you know,
starting the end right now. I mean, their their d
line was their strong point with Trey Henderson. Without him,
they'd be horrible. Even like they're they're you know, their set,
their back seven, linebackers, corners, safeties, they're just not that good.

(09:57):
I respectfully, they're an NFL. They're great players, but compared
to other teams and compared to the very strong AFC
and Norths that they're in with elite offenses within Baltimore,
possibly the Browns, but I mean their their defense just
has a lot of room to work. And then finally
bringing back Trey Hendrickson, who is you know, their corner
start of their defense, their sar guy that it's gonna
help a lot.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
You know, they're not gonna You're still gonna giving up
a lot of points.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
You know, one guy in the D line can't help
you prevent you know, forty points a game like the
gave up a lot last year. But it can put
more pressure on the quarterback to make them, you know,
draw out, you know, make shorter plays, make them run
a lot more. Because their run D is solid. They
have a solid run D. Their linebackers can pick up
on that pretty well. They have been for the past
few years. The problem is their past. If they don't
have any defensive line pressure scoring for they're giving up

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forty points a game.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Like they have been in the past few years.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
So them bringing them back, Bringing Trey Hendickson back was
you know, the best thing gonna happen for him, and
thank god they did because they would be respectfully just
horrible without them.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, no, try Bringing Trey Anderson's back was definitely a must.
Like you said, getting pressure on a quarterback, Nolan, that's
that's where you need. That's that's really help out the
secondary more than anything. It's the biggest determining factor on
how good your team is. You build through the trenches,
that is how it gets done. But we've talked ad
nauseum this offseason about these holdout slash hold ins, and

(11:12):
now there's just one that leaves us with the big,
ugly one going on in Micah Parsons. One that I
thought was as as simple as any contract negotiation should be.
You have one of, if not the best defensive player
in all of the NFL young wanting to re sign
with you. Just give him the money. This is what

(11:33):
Jerry wants. Though he wants it to be a reality
TV show, bring the eyes down to America's team in Dallas,
He's let it go as long as it possibly can.
This is a contract that needs to get done before
the season. How much longer may Rob are we gonna
have to wait? Or is this something that's really gonna
get ugly.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
I think it's gonna get uglier before it gets better.
I mean, we saw Micah Parsons before the preseason get
their last preseason game walking eating nachos, nachos in full
sweats shows up is laying on a massage not a
massage table, but just like a training table, just laying
down during the game. If you go to his social medias,
he doesn't have Dallas his name anywhere across the social

(12:15):
media's anymore. I mean, he's pretty much he's voice's opinions
about how upset he is with Jerry Jones, how he's
not he feels like he's not being treated properly, and
he thinks he I mean, he thinks he's gonna be
the best. He's worth the money of the best linebacker
defensive end in the NFL. Is that arguably so? Yes,
I'd agree, But I mean it's up to Jerry Jones.

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He's the guy that pays out the money. He's the
general manager, he's the owner, he's the guy that runs
the show in Dallas. He's done this with everyone. He's
done this with Dak Prescott, he did this with Ezekiel Elliott,
he did this years ago with Emmett Smith, the running
back across the board. I mean, this is something that
we see time and time again. I'm just not shocked

(12:59):
that it's happening once again with Michael Parsons.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
I mean, I've seen we saw this tweeter, I saw
this twot earlier saying how the the Dallas Cowboys are
a just a better, a glamorized version of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
And honestly, I couldn't agree more. The way Jerry Jones
runs the organization, say a clown. He just doesn't like
It's like he doesn't it's like you said it like
he to make it like a.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Drama reality TV show. He just runs up.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
However, he wants to, you know, bring in the most money,
you know, which is fair. If you can bring in
money just through like random things, he'll do it.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
That's how he is.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
But when you don't want to pay possibly the best
d lineman linebacker in the NFL because you want to
get more clicks, get more views, get we're able to
buy your merch you just have no reason to be
running an NFL organization, not one as historic as the Cowboys.
And honestly, the Cowboys can you know they are quote
unquote America's team because you know, Dallas stars all that
do all the you know, it's just because Dallas. But

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the way he's been treating him, I mean, like you said,
it's just not he's just not running it properly. He
needs to sign Michael Parson. It's like Bengals Dreg Anderson.
It is a must sign Bengal. The Dallas defense is
just not nearly good enough to compete in a very
competitive NFC East without a guy like Michael Parsons on
your line.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
It's just I mean, they're a good defense, they're often
to solid. Their defense is good. Without Michael Parsons, it's
just not nearly enough to compete in that division. So
they must sign it. It's just a must.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, it's definitely getting uglier, which is I guess just
how it goes with the Cowboys. I still fully expect
this deal to get done. Ryan, am I insane for that.
I think this is something that Jerry Jones is just
waiting until the day before the game. So like September third,
I think this gets done.

Speaker 5 (14:43):
I mean, it's definitely not crazy to say this. I'm
gonna reiterate what the other gentlemen have said. I mean, realistically,
only ten days remain until they play the Eagles. Really,
this has to get done sooner than later. Parsons has
to get I'm sort of working with the team. I
know he is a very talented player, but you gotta

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get your stars going eventually, and just holding back is
not gonna make anything better. I mean, you're playing a
division rival, former Super Bowl champion. It has to get done.
He has to be there, be playing week one, and
I mean if it takes until the last day, so
be it. But I really don't think that's smart from
the Cowboys organizational standpoint.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, no, I definitely agree with you, Ryan. There's a
lot to take a look at. But I think this
gets done. We'll have to see because otherwise a guy
I think that if he's especially if he's angry, wins
DEEPOI this year is not coming back to the Cowboys
if it doesn't get done before the start of this season.
When the first kickoff takes place on Thursday, September fourth.

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Last big piece of news from around the NFL today.
How about the Raiders. They got active, they got busy.
A couple pieces of news coming out of Vegas. First
of all, the wide receiver room, they got a lot
coming out of there. Jacoby, their wide receiver one, wants
a raise. Nothing's come in to that, and I don't
necessarily disagree with them, but I think he might be
one of the more underrated players in the entirety of

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the NFL. What he's able to do as a not
just a wide out, but as a run blocker, the
way that he plays team football, he deserves a little
bit of a raise. But Jacoby Myers asked for a trade.
They immediately go and bring Amari Cooper back on a
one year deal, and then they bring in Kenny Pickett
to play quarterback backup quarterback behind Geno Smith. After Aidan

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O'Connell goes down six to eight weeks with a fractured wrist.
Talk to me about these Raiders moves, Nolan, What do
you think about what's going on in the desert. How
big of a mess is it? And do you really
think that Jacoby Myers is gonna get out of there?

Speaker 4 (16:49):
First off, I don't really think it's that much of
a mess. I think Las Vegas they have plenty of money.
They don't really spend. They didn't really make any big purchases.
They haven't bought anybody big. Geno Smith wasn't that big
of a you know, he's a big piece for their offense,
but he didn't cost a lot. And this, this Vegas
team is not gonna let their former Why does maybe still?
Why does everyone walk? They're not gonna let him young.

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He's twenty eight, but he's still showing. He's still flashy.
He's so quick, he still can catch very well. And
he bring a guy like an Amari Cooper who was
honestly just like Jacoby Myers.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
When he was younger. He's fast, agile, he gives everything Jacoby.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
They're literally the exact same person, except Jacoby is younger.
Mamari is just like just like him and bringing in
a solid He's gonna be most likely their wide sea
for two now unless they let Myers walk.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
I mean they're gonna be fine. This is a great.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Receiver room plus at plus with Brock Bowers. I mean,
this Raiger's offense is gonna.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Be completely fine.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Kenny Pickett has you know he was on the Browns
on the Eagles. He's he's bounced on the league a
little bit, but he's.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Still a good quarterback. He's not gonna win you an NFL.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
He's not gonna win you the super Bowl, but he's
gonna do you well for a few weeks. He can
get you a few wins until your starter comes back.
And I think they'll be perfectly fine with what they have.
They'll be violent Kenny picking for a few weeks, and
plus bringing in Amari Cooper like their vet, well, perfectly fine.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, no, absolutely, there's a there's a lot, there's a
lot going on in Vegas. But I think it's about
time everybody that we take a look at why we're
really here today. Fantasy Football will be right back after
a quick break breaking down everything you need to know
as an officially draft season. Less than two weeks until
NFL kickoff will be right.

Speaker 6 (18:31):
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Speaker 7 (21:06):
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Speaker 1 (22:23):
Welcome back to the Triple Threat Show. We are your hosts,
Jeremy Lapitis, Meyra Fitzemi, Ryan Burns and Nolan Jamboor if
you were just tuning in, make sure you go check
us the last segment. We just finished going up over
all of the big news from around the NFL holdouts,
hold ins officially over in Washington and Cincinnati, and lots

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of moves out of Las Vegas. But now the reason
you're here it is, of course, today our Fantasy Football
Triple Threat Show Extravaganza. We're gonna go over everything, starting
at the quarterbacks, ending with the tight ends, sleepers, everything
else involved there. But why don't we start out with
the most important position in football, not necessarily fantasy football,

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but in football, with the quarterbacks. And obviously, when you're
trying to find a quarterback in fantasy football, it's a
little bit different when you're trying to find one in
real life. We look a lot at the ones that
have that rushing upside that's the key word. But there
are a couple passing quarterbacks that I like ahead of
some of these guys, not necessarily that they can't run,

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but because of the situation they're in. I'm looking at
a guy like Joe Burrow, who I think has real
potential to win MVP this season with just the pure
counting stats that he's gonna have the ability to put up.
That does depend on how successful they are as a
team because you kind of have to be good to
win MVP. But Joe Burrow probably leads the NFL in
touchdown passes, and he's got a little bit when it

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comes to mobility. It's not too much, but he can
get a little bit on the ground. Dak Prescott another
guy that I like as someone that if you're not
in that range of your Josh Allen's, you're Lamar Jackson's Daniels.
Guys that you know are gonna get you know, five
six hundred plus yards on the ground plus a bunch
of touchdowns. These are guys that are like Matthew Stafford

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officially is healthy now according to the Rams. That's another
one there. But overall, of course, you have to target
your guys. But some guys that are in the later
rounds that I kind of like. Again, Dak Prescott someone
that I'm targeting in a lot of drafts. I think
the addition of George Pickens is going to do wonders
for that team. Matthew Stafford. Again, you had DeVante Adams
and he's just been incredibly productive. Patrick Mahomes I think

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has a better season, and then Tua I see people
are very low on him. I think that Dolphins offense
still is the ability to be as scary as it
was a couple of seasons ago. If he stays healthy.
When he was healthy, he was really good last year.
The question, of course, can he stay healthy or some
of your guys may rob that you're looking at when

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it comes to the quarterback position you're targeting in fantasy drafts.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
I'm trying to figure out how to set this up.
I mean when I'm looking at when I'm looking at
quarterbacks over here, I mean, the first one that jumps
at me, jumps out at me is Lamar Jackson. He's
my guy. He's a great rushing quarterback, passing quarterback, Zay Flowers.
That Braven's offense is phenomenal. Yeah, of course, you have
Derek Henry in the backfield who makes it, who makes
Lamar Jackson's life a bajillion times easier. I mean, it

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just it just is what it is. Outside of him.
Josh Allen, of course, I think Josh Allen's the best quarterback.
If you have an opportunity to draft Josh Allen, take it,
because he's gonna he's the best quarterback in my opinion
in in the in in the National Football in National
Football League, excuse me as for sleepers. I mean, I'd
say Jordan Love is a guy that I'm kind of

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targeting if I don't get a quarterback in the first
few rounds. Jordan Loves a big quarterback candidate, probably in
the later sixth, seventh, eighth rounds. He's good, He's a study,
kind of just is a little bit inconsistent. I just
can't tell exactly where he's gonna be headed, but him
bo Nick c J. Stroud is another one that if
Nico Collins can stay healthy, I'm worried about offensive line,
but CJ. Stroud is another one that's kind of flying

(26:03):
under the radar a little bit.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, No, CJ. Stroud definitely is a really interesting one.
You bring up that offensive line and that comes with
more of the more of the you know, outside factors
affecting a quarterback, and c J. Stroud definitely on a
definitely a top ten quarterback at least in the NFL,
I think is pretty obviously where he kind of sits
in the rankings. But you're gonna have guys that are

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in worse situations or or better situations, that are worse
quarterbacks be ranked a little bit ahead of him. Ryan, Uh,
talk to me a little about a little bit about
some of these quarterbacks here. What's your general philosophy, I
guess when it comes to quarterbacks, because that's been a
question that I've been going through a lot in fantasy.
I always was a guy that waited till the end.
But as we're seeing Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jayden Daniels,

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these guys that put up huge numbers on the ground
go higher and higher in drafts. How are you treating
the quarterback position? Are you waiting until you'd got a
couple guys left or you attacking it early?

Speaker 5 (27:03):
Yeah? So, I mean here's the thing with these rushing quarterbacks,
especially like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. I mean, if
they start to fall, you really do have to take them.
But for me personally, I like the Joe Burrow and
the Dak Prescott as you mentioned. I mean now that
Dak is healthy, I mean just with him and Ceedee
Lamb is like their star one two combo back in

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twenty twenty three, he finished as the third overall quarterback.
And now adding Pickens, I mean we can only imagine
what can happen from this Cowboys offense. We will find
out very shortly, which I'm very glad to see. But
I'm big on Dak Prescott obviously Joe Burrow as well.

(27:46):
The offense is always playing from behind. Their defense has
been pretty terrible last year, so getting those valuable touchdowns,
I mean, we saw Joe Burrow break a few rushing
touchdowns just for fifty yards. That was a crazy play
I had. I had Joe Burrow last year in my leagues,
and that was really great to see. I mean, realistically,
one of my deep sleepers if you are one of

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the people who are waiting. I mean I may be
a little bit biased as a Patriots fan, but Drake
may as well. He was really coming alive towards the
end of the season last year, at least points wise.
I mean, he has some rushing upsides, some sneaky rushing
upside that not many people actually actually realize. And now
adding digs, I mean, he's gonna be the clear number

(28:31):
one over there. So we'll see how well they connect
and some sleep value in Drake May, I guess.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I guess. While we're here, let's talk about the Patriots
a little bit because Drake may is a really interesting guy,
not just in football, but just in fantasy football here
as well. Because you brought up a little bit of
his legs. He's got the athleticism to make something happen
with his own feet, not just his arms. But you
add some more weapons, this is a Patriots team that's

(28:59):
gonna be really interesting for fantasy. We'll talk a little
bit more in depth when the running back position comes
up here in a second with Treveon Henderson and uh
and Ramandre Stevenson and how that split's gonna go, because
that's a backfield that feels like it should go to
Henderson at least in my mind, but starting out looks
like it's going to Stevenson. Let's talk about that now, Nolan,

(29:21):
I know, I know you're the You're the non Boston
person here, so we're gonna start with you and go around.
How do you see that backfield working out? Because that's
one that I think a lot of people, including myself,
are targeting Henderson as a must draft, expecting him to
take over the backfield sooner rather than later. What's your
what's your read there?

Speaker 5 (29:40):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Last year we saw Remonders here has improved himself to
be the lead running back with the Patriots. Fantasy wise
and real life wise. I mean he was even with
you know old line that obviously is not the best
the NFL. It's still pretty good though. He's still managed
to find no holes. When he's getting no quick pot passes,
he's adding five ten yards, He's making good, He's getting
multiple ours after contact.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
He's still a very good running back.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
I think se J Henderson, this rookie come in and
his first plays in NFL, it's getting the kick return touchdown.
I mean you see this and say, I mean this
kid's got potential. I mean he's just he was so fast,
so explosive, and through the entirety of the preseason he
was clearly just an elite running back.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
He was just doing so much.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
I think this is going to be a very good
running back room, like a like a one a one
beat have running back room. I think it could be
like a like a Lions Jamior Gabs and Montgomery to
type a switch like they switch every possession. Good guy
at rest and so I can. That's why I see
I think they're both very good running backs. I think
both of them are good, too good to be one
A or just one and one and two. I think

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it's gonna be a one A, one B. Both these
guys are elite. They're both going to be very good
this year. And this Patriots team, off topic, I think
they can be a playoff team this year just because
how good the running back room is.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, this this, this is an interesting running back room.
I mean, as much as i'd say it's kind of
one A, one B like you're saying, Nolan, I'm kind
of looking at it at it kind of like a
Bijon Robinson Tyler Algier kind of situation. The main guy
that kind of goes down the field and then you
have a guy that punches it home into the end zone.
That's why I'm looking at this one running back room
at least to start. How's who's gonna end up being

(31:15):
Who's gonna end up being those positions? Is it gonna
be Stevenson in the end zone, Henderson in the middle
of the field. I do not know, but I don't
I'm not shocked at it's Stevenson early on. I think
given Trayvon Henderson some room to some leeway to make
some mistakes early on, being able to be that secondary
guy before he's able to take the reins. I think
he's gonna get get that start eventually, probably around mid season,

(31:39):
but early on definitely get Getmandre Stevens some some some reps,
some starting reps, and then we'll see how Travon Henderson does.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
So that's that's the really interesting part about this, because
I think most people around football in general expects Ramandre
Stevenson to lose that starting job at some point, and
because of that the general republic, he's falling a lot
further on draft boards. He's a guy that you can
get a lot further down in those mid rounds, like

(32:08):
eight to ten kind of situation, and that's good value
if you expect him to start for half the season.
But I don't expect him to start for half the season.
I think he's there for a couple of games, maybe
three or four, before Henderson really starts to take over,
because I think there's just that big of a gap
between the two of them. You don't take a guy
like Henderson that early in the draft and don't use

(32:30):
him right away. Ryan, how early is that switch gonna
happen And what's the role for Ramandre after it does?

Speaker 5 (32:37):
To be honest with you, I'm not sure the way
that I see this situation. I mean, Remandre, especially this
past year, just turned into the guy that every time
he touched the ball you were afraid that it was
gonna come out. He had six fumbles last season, and
I see the Patriots as analyzing that problem and bringing

(32:58):
in a direct solution. Henderson had zero fumbles in his
four years. He had There's one technical maybe lost fumble,
but besides that zero fumbles at Ohio State. They saw
the problem, fix it with a solution here. Especially if
Stevenson ends up losing a fumble in the first yeah,

(33:21):
a few weeks, the job can be lost easily. I
mean we saw how exposed to he was first touch
of his NFL career running it back. I mean he
has the speed. We'll see what happens if he can
protect the ball and you know, provide value in that way.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
You know, But there's a lot of stuff to like.
Getting back to the quarterback conversation a little bit. Uh,
there is that interesting, I guess dichotomy between you know,
trying to build up the traditional fantasy situation where you
get your quarterback later or you go quick. There's only
a couple guys that I would take in that first
couple rounds, them being Josh Allen, who just consistently finds

(34:01):
his way to be a quarterback one or quarterback two
every year, Lamar Jackson, the two MVP front runners from
last season. Jayden Daniels is going to find his way
up there because he's a special athlete. But the question
then comes, where do you draft guys like Joe Burrow?
Where do you draft guys like Jalen Hurts? Because Jalen
Hurts doesn't necessarily have Lamar Jackson rushing upside, but with

(34:23):
the tush push, he's going to get a good amount
of touchdowns on the ground, which six points. It's a
lot of points right there for one yard play. How
high do you see these guys going right now? I mean,
you get Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson in round three, Jayde
and Daniels somewhere around there too. Jalen Hurts a round
or two behind him in a lot of places, But
where's too far where it's sitting at your turn you're

(34:45):
in round what may rob you have to take Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
I think it's so tough because I'm one of I'm
either a top tier quarterback guy in the second or
third round, or I let it fall to like the sixth.
Jalen Hurts is one of those guys that if I
see him at the fifth round, I just have to
take him. There's just no way. But I mean a
lot of people I know would definitely take him in

(35:11):
the fourth. So it's it's I feel like it's up
the preference in a lot of ways.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
Yeah, I mean really for me, I saw Joe Burrow
falling around the fifth round in one of my leagues,
and I went, I went ahead and grabbed him. I mean,
for these for Joe Burrow asque players where I mentioned before,
with these pocket passers, I'm gonna grab him now, Hurts,
I mean, you just get those one yard touchdowns almost

(35:42):
guaranteed at this point. They're not doing anything to ban
the toushbush or anything like that. It's a fair play
because not every team can do it. It's not automatic
for every team. Just these Eagles have been finding success
and success. I mean, if he gets to like that
late fifth, I mean he's not going sixth. I mean
really depends on what strategy I'm going for here and
how high I want to get my QB that fifth,

(36:06):
sixth round. Maybe it all depends, but right around that range.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, We've talked a lot about guys that we like here,
but Nolan, it's not all it's not all happy smiles,
roses and a field of flowers. Right there are guys
that we definitely don't want when it comes to that
quarterback position. A couple guys that I'm avoiding here. I'm
not taking Aaron Rodgers. I know that's probably not too
much of a hot take here, but Aaron Rodgers in

(36:32):
a new situation is always going to bring some people
in with that name value. Jared Goff is another quarterback
that I'm avoiding. I think that losing that that offensive
coordinator in Ben Johnson, losing your center in Frank rag
Now is really gonna hurt his team and Jared Goff
a lot. Jared Goff is a guy that if the
offensive line start to struggle, as we saw in his

(36:53):
transition from Super Bowl leading quarterback in LA to you know,
a guy that couldn't take him to the playoffs, eventually
getting shipped off in exchange for Matthew Stafford to the Lions.
Jared Goff's a guy that I'm not touching at all.
I think he's someone that could put up another season
like he did last year, but the efficiency numbers, the

(37:13):
underlying numbers, there's no way he's going to be able
to replicate that.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
In my mind, not at all.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
I mean I don't, even as a Lions fan, I
can see why you wouldn't. He's not really a fantasy quarterback.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Really. He's ah in the pocket. If the pocket collapses,
he is too slow to get out of it. We
all if you watch him, he moves like a tree trunk.
He is super slow.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
A lot of his a lot of the touchdowns last
year come from handoffs to Gibbs from Montgomery. Yeah, he gets,
you know, a good pass to James and Williams. Are
you know a poured up or are same brown? I
mean he gets a lot of you know, passive touchdowns,
but a majority of that are coming from handoffs. He's
not the greatest fantasy quarterback. He's a good quarterback. He's
not a guy I would go out of my way

(37:54):
to take in a fantasy draft unless you know, unless
you have.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
A quarterback who you know you need, you're in the
like fourteenth round. The other quarterback Yeah, pick up Jared.
He'll get you.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
He'll get you a solid fifteen points. But you know
it's not gonna win you fantasy game. But he is
a good quarterback in my opinion, still, you know, bias,
no bias. I think he's still a good quarterback. He's
just not a good fantasy quarterback. Like I've said, he
just can't really win.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
He's not gonna win you a fantasy game, but he'll
get you fifteen maybe twenty.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, there's a lot of guys. But who else These
are the guys that I'm avoiding. I'm not touching Jared Goff.
He's the big one that I think I might get
a little bit of flak here for. But who are
some guys that you guys don't really want to touch
for it.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
I really don't want to get too close to this
Bears offense. If I'm being serious, I don't really like
Caleb in this position. I mean, I'm fading him myself.
I know I believe it was Rob Merabu brought up CJ. Stroud.
I'm not too sure if I'm a big fan of
him in fantasy as well. I like to like I

(38:59):
mentioned either go for those big name slingers or you know,
sometimes go down and get like a Kyler Murray. I
see some better plays coming from him this year and
some upside. I'm gonna stay away from from Caleb myself.
He's not value to me.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, yeah, I can one hundred percent see that with
Caleb Williams, no doubt about it. Just real quick, if
anybody wants to, if anybody's even thinking about drafting Aaron Rodgers,
this is all I have to say for them. Don't
do it. It's a stupid idea. Don't do it. This

(39:39):
is not thirty five year old Aaron Rodgers with the Packers.
It just doesn't. It's just no, Just don't do it.
That's all I have to say about that. But in
terms of sleepers, I mean, Kyler Murray is a big one.
I think the Cardinals offense. I think Marvin Harrison has
a nice year this year. I think the Cardinals offense
in general, Marvin Harrison junior, you have McBride there, who
showed up big time last year. You still have James Connor.

(40:01):
It's gonna be an interesting offense. Outside of that, I mean,
I'm gonna say it again, Bo Nicks. Everybody keeps bringing
up the sophomore slump. I don't see it at all.
I think it's gonna be even I think he's gonna
be even better than he was last year in my opinion,
because I think he just didn't have a great opportunity
throwing the ball and we haven't seen how good he
can do that. Personally. Other than that, another guy, a

(40:23):
guy that I think could be struggling a lot. I
know Jeremy brought him up to a tag of Iloa
and he's in. He is a injury away. He's a
concussion away from retirement. He really is, Like, if we're
being honest, this is a guy who's been consistently getting concussions.
And it's unfortunate because again, when he got into the league,
he was an unbelievable uh pocket escaper being able to

(40:45):
throw the ball down the field. We saw that connection
with him and Waddle early on. Then it turned into
Waddle and Tyree Hill on both sides of the field,
and that Dolphins offense was so fun to watch back
in the day. But I mean, two of what those
injuries have really just been downhill for his career, and
I mean, I just I just can't see much value
in that one. So that's a big that's a big
note for me as well.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, before we get to the running backs here, we
got a question from Rebecca in the chat. What are
your guys' thoughts And I'll leave this up to whoever
wants it on taking Jamar Chase first overall pick in
a twelve man league and who would you take in
the two and three there?

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Because not crazy, that's not like.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
I had my follow man draft a few days ago,
from a week ago, and he was the second person
off the board.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
He is going to be just he's gonna he's not
gonna decline.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
He obviously still has Joe Burrow and Joe Burrow has
been targeting him since he came.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
Since then.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
You know, they had the connection to LSU and now
they just built, they brought they brought it to the Bengals.
I mean, they're gonna be insane again. He's been targeting
He's been the wide saver one there for four years now.
And this shows no Senten slowing down at all. But
if I'm going, you know, Jamorrow Chase one, I would
go for you know, you get your lead. I just
here for one, go for round two and three. I'm

(42:01):
going for a running back. I think if you're a
twelve man league, I think they're still gonna be also
running backs. I think a guy you can pick up
like a maybe like a better running back in the
second round, the probably could be like Josh.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
I think Josh Jacob or Karen Williams, they'll still be
on the board.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
Karen Williams and Josh Jacobs are both touchdown merchants. And
those guys who probably both followed you, they can both
they do.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
That's what they're known for.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
They get the gold line hopping the end zone, I
mean good for the old lines. Are both good enough
to help them, you know, help in the red zone.
That's who I'd go for.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
In my opinion.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, I generally don't mind taking Schumar Chase at one.
The big question is, especially in a twelve man league,
when you look at what's coming down the board later on,
you find yourself really having to reach on running backs
because you're not gonna find another one in that second, second,
third round turn you take, you know, another wide receiver

(42:54):
duo there, You've got like your Lad mcconkey's, your DeVante Adams,
stuff like that there, and you don't run into another
running back. Maybe you take a Chase Brown there. Who
I'm a big fan of Chase Brown. But it's a
little bit of a risky. You can always go no
running backs, that's the thing you can do. It's something
that people like to preach, not something that I like
to do. I don't generally love picking from the one

(43:14):
zho one this year. I just don't think it's a
great spot. I might end up taking a guy like Bijeon,
who's my number one running back on the board, instead
of Jamar Chase, despite I think Chase probably going to
be the better overall player when it comes to fantasy points.
But you need a running back and it's just gonna
be real slim pickings when it gets back to you
in round two and three there. But speaking of the

(43:35):
running backs, this is one of the more intriguing positions
in all of fantasy football because there are so many
different ways you can do it. There's not enough running
backs to go around where everybody's gonna feel comfortable. We've
heard tales of these no running back teams. We've heard
tales of the superstar running back, your hero back kind
of strategy. What is your idea heading into this draft specifically,

(43:59):
because I know what changes. Are you going more balanced?
Are you avoiding the running back? What position? What positions
in the draft like draft pick wise, are you targeting
running backs in the first round? What's your general strategy
around this?

Speaker 3 (44:16):
I tend to start with running backs.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
I go.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
For the past three seasons, I've gone first three rounds, starter, starter,
backup running back. My first draft this year, I took
I reached I think Josh Jacobs first round. I picked
three the three yeah, pick ten, sorry, pick ten at
Josh Jacobs. Then went Kyle Williams round two, pick three.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
I think that was a good pick.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
I think, like I said, like I said earlier, they're
both good touchdown guys. They both get in the red zone.
And then for the third iowas like I said, three
running backs ors. The third guy picked up, well he was.
I picked up Trueba Hubbard, another starter. But he's going
to be in my opinion, he's going to be a
bigger running back like he was last year. And I
mean he's just with a new with this new Panthers offense.
Adam Feeling.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
You know, you bring a guy like Hunter a run
for out of retirement tech McMillan.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
You have a new and improved you know, excuse me,
even new and improved quarterback in Bryce Young. I mean,
this Panthers is going to be good. And that's why
I took Chill Hubard again after he won me my
league last year.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Yeah, there's lots of different ways to do it. Ryan,
walk me through your running backs. What's your general thoughts?
Who your top guys? What are you doing with the
running backs this year?

Speaker 5 (45:26):
I mean, honestly, the top three, genuinely for me, are interchangeable.
I mean I really can't pinpoint and you really can't
go wrong with the Saquon Gibbs and Bijon in my eyes.
I mean, with the new offensive coordinator in the Lions,
we don't exactly know what the running back strategy is
going to look like. Will they stay with what worked

(45:48):
last year? Will Gibbs get a little bit more of
a primary role? I know they had also mentioned him
taking some reps at slot receiver as a running back.
Could that be some extra positional value there? I mean,
had just so many touches last year. Will they keep
it up again? Will he get towards more? The injury
prone Bijon? I mean they've been saying it's his year

(46:10):
for the past two I mean, is it his year
to average those twenty points per game like he was
towards the end of the season. I don't think you
can really go wrong with any of those three. As
you're running back one, I'm a little scared on guys
like a chain, especially with the calf. I really don't
know how sustainable that will be throughout the year, and

(46:31):
especially if this is happening before the season even starts.
And to be honest, I'm not too sure, but it
really all depends for me where exactly you're drafting. And
I think an underrated thing with fantasy football is you
have to know who you're against, who your league mates are,
how they draft, where they reaching on players, a little

(46:52):
bit of a fan favorites or bias as well. But
I mean, if you're looking at these earlier picks, I
wouldn't mind going for running back early. I myself am
a wide receiver early type of guy, like having those
superstar wide receivers and then figuring out the running backs
in either round two, three, four range. But you know,
it's two eats their own, and I don't think you

(47:14):
can go wrong with any of those top three running
backs if you can get them early enough.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, And to your point, Ryan, there's lots of guys
that you can find later on, like especially rookie running backs.
You talk about last year, Bucky Irving made a big jump,
Tyrone Tracy made a big jump. Guys as you could
get near the bottom of these drafts. Now this year,
there's obviously going to be them, but the rookie running
backs are kind of more highlighted. We talked a little
bit about Travon Henderson, Omar and Hampton is getting a

(47:40):
lot of hype as the RB one over there. Of course,
Ashtin Genty. There's a lot of rookie running backs to love.
What are some of those guys that you're looking for
in those later rounds, as you say you target them
in around two, three, four, and maybe even further on
as potential depth pieces for your bench.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
Yeah, I mean, realistically, Amarion, I'm not sure what will
come of it. He looks really great and people are
valuing him very highly as well. I mean, as some
people are joking around right now that Nase he's a
pirate right now because he still can't see out of
his eye. We don't really know what exactly that running
back room will look like. I mean, he is a

(48:21):
great player. I'm definitely not opposed to drafting Hampton myself
as we go later down. I mean, here's a little
a little draft, uh spoiler for those but I really
like I really like Bill on the Commanders. He especially
with Bijon, with Brian Robinson gone, I mean him Eckler

(48:43):
and uh, I mean, they have a lot of competition,
but he's looking great in the preseason. He's my sort
of deeper sleeper that in the leagues that I drafted earlier.
I snagged him up on the waiver wire and he'll
be he'll be my bench sleeper and hopefully grow into
a starter.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
And when there, you know, that's that's how you get ahead.
That's that's ball knowledge right there.

Speaker 7 (49:04):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
But there's also other guys that high risers, right. Chase
Brown was one of those guys last year. But one
of the bigger question marks when it comes to running
backs may rob is with Christian McCaffrey. He of course
is undeniably one of the most talented backs in the NFL,
but of course he has his injury issues. He barely
played last season after being the offensive player of the

(49:27):
Year the year before and you know, killing it in
fantasy in every way you possibly could imagine. Is it
going to be healthy year for CMC? How cautious are
you with him? And where you where you expect him
to go in drafts?

Speaker 2 (49:42):
I mean I have CMC personally sitting right outside of
the top four. I mean he's a guy that has
been on my radar as well as sitting sitting where
I am with the one oh six. But I mean
Christian McCaffrey is an absolute stud of a play. I mean,
he's one of the He's a guy who went what
two years in a row, the number one overall picking
in fantasy in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two

(50:03):
when he was healthy. His absolute stud of a player. So,
I mean, the only reason there's guys above him is
because of age and injury issues. But when he's fully healthy,
this is a guy that you can rely on to
get you to get you points in fantasy. He's a
guy that I still have on my raidar, just sitting
right outside of the top top three. Outside of that,
I mean, when you go get into the later rounds,

(50:25):
I'm looking at a guy like kind of Alvin Kamara,
kind of the pretty much the heart and soul of
that Saints offense. A guy like James Cook who just
got paid with Buffalo, Kenneth Walker with the Seahawks. I
know I'm a little bit of a Seahawks fan, but
Breese Hall another one of another great stud I feel
like there's some depth in this year's running back draft,
and if you can't get one of those top three guys,

(50:46):
don't stress too much. Sometimes you can just go go
after that top receiver and then go in the next
round and draft a running back. This is this is
a draft full of depth, and you just got a
draft whoever's best available to you in the moment.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah, I definitely agree with you. There there's a lot
of guys that you can get later in those rounds,
your second round, third round kind of turns depending on
where you're picking. One of those guys for me is
Chase Brown. We talked a little bit about him, how
he had a huge season down the stretch last year,
was RB three in the second half of the year.
Chase Brown, Now he's going to be a part of

(51:19):
an elite offense. My opinion, the best offense that there's
going to be in the NFL this season. How high
are you taking him? And my hot take is that
he could finish in the top five for running backs?
How crazy is that? Where are you taking a guy
like Chase Brown? Who's your big who's your big swing? Nolan?

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Chase Brown? I mean he's not. It's not crazy as
did that.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
I mean he is.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
I mean he just proved us up last year.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
I mean he saw he kind of came out in
the omber last year and it kind of swept people
off the seat with the way you played. But honestly,
a guy for me that I know I've I've reached
on the past few years has always done me pretty well.
Not top five well, but it's got me, you know,
good points week. James Connor from Arizona. I think he's
always just been kind of a guy who have gone
out and drafted and he's consistently gotten me ten points

(52:08):
a week for a running back.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
I'll take that.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
You know, he's not in ten points or running back,
I'll take that. You know in a he's not because
he's not a pass heavy receiver. He's a very run
heavy guy and they don't use him a lot in
the red zone. So when they you know, if you
see a running back like James Conner getting ten plus
points out scoring a single touchdown, I mean, that's why
I love him, because he always just manages to get
you a lot of points, just runs it down after contact.
I mean, he just keeps running. And that's the guy

(52:31):
who's i'veen drafted in the past three four years now,
and I've never once shot away from him because it's
always just a reliable for me. He's always just getting
me points whenever he needs to be without even scoring.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Nolonard you buying into the news that they might split
carries down in Arizona. I know they've talked a lot
about Trey Benson as a guy that who's gotten a
lot of run in preseason. We saw him a little
bit last year. James Connor himself has said that he
might be taking a little bit of a step back.
How can scerning is that for you? When you're looking
at a guy you like In James Connor, I.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Think if if, even if he steps back, it won't
be that big of a step back. I think he'll
still be kind of their number one guy.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
Well still, I.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Wouldn't say he's even gonna be splitting snaps.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Yeah, he's a little older compared to the new guy,
but I still think he'll be fine. I think he'll
still be getting enough touches to keep consistently getting ten
points a game.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
And even if he.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Doesn't, that's okay, you know, because they because at that
point they probably switch him two.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
More of a goal line running back. I mean, the
new guy that have down there is more.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
He's younger, so they're gonna use him more in the
open field towards midfield and bring James Conner in towards
thread zone to try to put punch in a touchdown.
So either way, I think it'll be okay. I don't
think they're gonna run him out of Arizona. I think
he'll still be there, using him more as a goal
line running back.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
If that is the case, Yeah, I think he's gonna
have a reduced role. But speaking of older running backs there,
that's a big concern we talk about all the time
when running back contracts come up. Once they hit that
magically of twenty nine, they fall off a cliff. You
talk about guys like Dalvin Cook that just disappeared. Right,
we have a guy and Derrick Henry that just is

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breaking every single trend when it comes to running backs.
But he's not the only older running back that's up there.
Saquon Barkley had a lot of touches last year, over
two thousand yards last season from scrimmage and broke the
single season rushing record for any running back including playoffs.
He had one of the best running back seasons of
all time. These are two older running backs that are

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getting a lot of love. You're talking pretty consensus top
four running backs for these guys, at least Saquon consensus
top three. And it's hard not to like guys like that.
But are you shying away from some of these older
running backs? You're Josh Jacobs, who is kind of up
there in that conversation. You're Aaron Jones. I know there's
been a lot of talk Ryan about Jordan Mason potentially

(54:51):
taking some carries. How are you treating some of these
backfields that have established but older runners.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Yeah, I mean it really all depends, like I mentioned earlier,
for someone like Saquon. Really the only thing there that
we're really worried about his injury with that increase or
with the such large amount of touches last season. Obviously
there's not really a way you could increase the touches
this year, but just consistency with those injuries. I mean,

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for someone like Kamara, a lave on the Saints is
just he's also one of those guys, as you mentioned
with two who could be a concussion away from a
possible retirement. I mean Kamara, as we know, he's like
a PPR merchant. If he can catch those passes, he
can provide that value, especially with the rounds he's going in. Now,

(55:39):
you mentioned Aaron Jones, I am I'm fading Aaron Jones
this year. I mean Jordan Mason, He's I think he
will take over the backfield at some point this season.
I mean Aaron Jones is still a strong back, but
he did pretty horrible in the red zone last last season.
So especially if Mason can come in hot, take those

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red zone touches, flip them into touchdowns, he can work
towards being more so a starter. So for Aaron Jones,
I'm gonna say I'm gonna fade him. Henry he's just
a different specimen right now. I mean he's in unlike
many others, especially at that age, he's a unicorn in
this league, and I mean it's hard to shy away.

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As Rob said, sometimes you have to pick the best
player on the board, even if you are scared of
that age. Just last season, I mean he finished I
think is running back four in PPR leagues. I mean
it's not. You kind of have to pick him at
some point if he's there for you. But really shine
away from Aaron Jones. The other guys can make up

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forward and ways.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yeah, and you kind of touched on it a little bit.
But one of the more important things when we're talking
about running backs, aside from hitting your top guys and
you know, getting the guys that are gonna stay healthy,
which you can't really control, is controlling the outcomes and
specific what I mean is getting those good handcuffs, the
guys that can come behind you if godfor's sake, an

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injury happens. Right, you talk about David Montgomery to your
jamiir Gibbs, your Jordan Mason's to your Aaron Jones. Some
of these guys are getting a lot of love, but
some other backfields as some deep, some deep handcuffs kind
of like your Bucky Irving last season or your Tyrone
Tracy last season or your Chase Brown last season. Some

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guys like Ali Gordon down there in Miami, who's gonna
get I think all of the goal line and short
yardeds touches because they don't have another big back that
can break tackles like that in Miami. The guy like
Kyle Mnungai in an offense now run by Ben Johnson
in Chicago. These are guys that I'm looking at to
kind of have that role in the later parts of
your draft. There's also been discussions may Rob about Zach Sharboney. Now,

(57:52):
I am a huge Kenneth Walker, Canine Truther, Okay, he
is the guy that I think is pretty is basically
a top ten running back when he stays healthy. But
people are trying to push this idea that Sharbonnay is
as good or better than him. Now, I think they're wrong,
and I think they're stupid for saying that. But you're
the resident Seahawks fan here. Talk to me about that

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running back situation. What is your read on the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Well, before I get into the entire offense, let's just
let's dive into that question you asked with that running
back room, I feel like, when you're comparing these two
running backs with Kenneth Walker and Zach Sharbonneau, you're kind
of comparing apples to oranges. You're comparing a guy in
Kenneth Walker who's really elusive, a smaller guy, quicker guy, patient,

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kind of reminds me like a Le'Veon Bell esque player,
is really easy to slip between the tackles, is really
patient with that and then just turns on the jets
and goes. He reminds me of Le'Veon Bell personally like that.
But when you look at Zach Sharbonne, his speed, his
ability to power rush, he's just absolutely he's a big back.

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He's a big time back. He's a big dude. So
I mean his ability to run through tackles. I think
he's really good on goal line situations. I'm just really
worried about Kenneth Walker's health and if they can split
their touches, I think they'll be fine. I think that
was a big issue early on in their years, the
last couple of years, maybe two years ago, less last year,

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but this year especially, I expect a little bit of
a fifty to fifty trade off between those two because
I mean, sharbona is gonna be a big power back
at the goal line for sure. But Kenneth Walker, he'll
probably get a lot of those mid or fifty yard
line third and long third and medium situations when you
want to run the ball just to get that next
to get the first down or possibly just get into

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field goal range.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Yeah. And there's a lot of other situations kind of
like that one where there's not a clear I mean,
I think this one's a little bit different where Canine
should be the clear running back one. I'm not concerned
about it barring injury. But there are other backfields a
little bit more murky. Nolan, right, we're talking about the
Jaguars backfield. The Jets backfield is one that is super

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fascinating to me because Breece Hall is going in the
third round, Braylan Allen is going into those later rounds.
But it seems like Braylon Allen is going to have
a large, not majority, but a large amount of touches
and plays snaps in this offense. What are your thoughts
on some of these more murkier backfields. Who's the running
back that you're targeting in places like Jacksonville and New York, New.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
York I can see why Breece Hall is falling to
the third not even falling doing in the third round.
He is still even if you know, he had a
little bit of injury last year, nothing crazy, it wasn't
nowt for excess amount of time. But he is still
a good running back. You know, he's still is still
going to be the running back one. And Braylan Allen
is a great running back. You know, he proved himself

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last year. He came in, he got plenty of touches.
He proved himself to be a quick running back porch
to the Jets need. But I still think they're still
going to have. You know, Breze Halls is the number
one guy.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
I think he does.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
They're not gonna shy away from him and the Jets.
The Jets offense.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Honestly, he's gonna be a lot better now, especially with
Garrett Wilson getting that money that he desperately wanted and
they finally got him. So I think now with that
being just settled, I think Brice Hall and it has
to work for I think he's gonna want to work
harder to try to get money like Garrett Wilson did.
They're gonna keep playing because he's gonna play better for
want for more money. So either he's gonna prove himself
to be, you know, the better running back in that

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backfield and he's gonna dominate. I really think he will
Brown Allen great running back, but he's not gonna be
the running back one this year. He'll be running back
to But I think bris Hall would be a really
good running back for the Jets this year just because
he wants, you know, he wants to prove himself to
be the best one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Absolutely. And then I mean there's also guys in the
in the running back room where we're going to see
them explode out of nowhere. Bill Krosky Merritt has been
the darling of the offseason. Like you brought up Ryan,
who else is kind of in that bucket as the
guy that maybe we don't know right now now, but
by the end of the season is going to be

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a household name.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
Yeah. I mean this is really tough to say. For
me personally, I am a big believer. Although I've I've
been told it's hot take and I've been told you know,
I'm I'm saying the wrong things here. I'm more of
a believer in Tank Bigsby than Travis Etn, I really do.
I I don't really know how Travis Etn and his

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outlook will be this season, but Tank Bigsby he just had.
He didn't have a great season last year. I mean,
he averaged eight point one Fantasy points per game, but
there were a few games when he earned that starting role,
either due to Etn be sitting out or just you know,

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losing the actual running back battle there where Etn came
or where Bigsby excuse me, came and shined as what
looked like an RB one. I mean for me, when
I looked and we drafted the other day in the
Yahoo experts were even ranking Tank Bigsby above Etn and
some like on some apps, and I was a little

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bit taken aback by that because I felt validated by
some of these experts here. I know that's a little
bit of a hot take in some places, but depending
on who you talk to. But for me, I mean,
I really do like Tank Bigsby. And as I mentioned earlier,
I'm a big fan of Bill. I think he can
win that running back room over, even if it takes

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a little bit into the season. I like them. I
like them both those are my two who can.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Yeah, I think bringing up that Jacksonville Jaguars backfield is
super interesting because not only do you have that battle
with a new head coach that didn't draft any of
these guys of battle that happened last year between Etn
and Tank's Bigsby, but you also get Bishal Touton out
of Virginia Tech, who is drafted by this new regime,
a guy that looked pretty solid in the preseason. Again preseason,

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so take everything with a grain of salt. They're going
against second and third stringers and YadA YadA and all that,
but there is definitely quite the log jam there. Now
I'm on the opposite side of this from you, Ryan,
I think Etn is down for a bounce back year
because in a Liam Cohen offense, he can play more
of that Bucky Irving role, getting some of that receiving
work that Tank Bigsby isn't really gonna have. But at

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the same time, Tank Bigsby is a better runner. You
want a guy that can run in between the tackle.
There's I think room for both of them to be successful,
but I expect to him to have go by the
hot hand here could be Bigsby, could be Eastn. It
could even be toutt in there may Rob, what's you
read on that Jacksonville Jaguars running back room.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
I mean, it's definitely a weird one. We saw how
much of a dud Travis ETN was last year and
how much I mean, how much value Bigsby got. I mean,
I'm right there with Ryan. I mean, big, big b
over ETN is not that hot of a take, just
based on what we saw last year. Of course, we
saw before that ETN was on an absolute tear across

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the NFL, and it very well could be that ETN
comes out and continues to do that. But I mean,
even even in the preseason sample size, we haven't seen
ETN do too much. I think I'm rolling with Ryan here.
I think Bigsby is the way to go if you're drafting,
if you see him in the on the board, take
him over ETN. I would say, for sure, keep him
as a sleeper.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Yeah, you can get ETN in like the last round
of drafts, which is kind of where I've been taking him.
But there is a lot more we have to cover here.
We still haven't gotten to the wide receivers, which that's
coming up next. Before we get there, though, give me
your final thoughts on running backs. We'll go around the room.
We'll start with you Nolan Ryan, then may Rob talk
to me about last thoughts on running backs.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
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Pick him up.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
I'm gonna have to to you know, I'm gonna push
past that point. I'm gonna give the big, big white
button to CMC, in my opinion, the fade button. I'm
on the fade CMC train.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
If you have John, if you have an opportunity to
draft Josh Jacobs late in the second round, take him.
He's he's gonna be a league winner late in December,
especially in Green Bay and that cold weather. Take him there.
He's an absolute league winner.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
I love the Props boys. My league winner is Chase Brown.
I kind of touched on that earlier. But there's a
lot to cover when it comes to wide receivers, and
we kind of touched on it a little bit in
the running back category when we were talking about what
you prefer to draft. But it depends on the league
you're in. I know I play a lot of half PPR.
A lot of people do full PPR. I don't know

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too many people that do standard there, but that makes
a big difference when you're talking about who to draft
these guys. What's your preferred method and how much does
that matter when you're looking at a top wide receiver
as opposed to a running back.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
I mean, depends on where you are drafting. For me,
I personally, as I mentioned before, I feel safer when
I do have a star wide receiver who can blow
up for those high scoring games. You know, obviously within
those PPR leagues, each catch just means so much. And
when you're playing down especially you know somebody Obviously for me,

(01:07:26):
Jamar Chase is the obvious one on one. That's just
my opinion. I'm big on those wide receivers. If if
he is still on the board, no matter where you're picking,
you should be hitting that draft button. And in my opinion,
even if that is the one on one, there's just
so much value with wide receivers being able to break
away and get those big catches. I mean, somebody even

(01:07:48):
like BTJ, who I'm sure we'll touch on a bit,
he really improved and developed in his rookie season. I
see a lot of value in someone like that if
you're taking or if you have a little bit of
a later draft position where you can get them either
at the tail end of the first or even beginning
half of that second round. I'm dig into those star
wide receivers.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Yeah, Jamar Chase is that guy. He's someone that obviously
won the Triple Crown for wide receivers last season. So
we're talking about a guy in an elite offense that's
going to have to air it out based on that defense.
But we also haven't seen a wide receiver repeat as
wide receiver one overall in almost five seasons. There's a
lot of guys candidates to take over that spot from Jamar.

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And that's not to say that Jamar Chase isn't going
to be an elite wide receiver, because I think he is,
bar none, the safest pick that you can take in
the fantasy draft, undeniably at least in my mind. But
I'm looking at guys like Ceedee Lamb, like a Puka Nakua,
maybe even a Elik Neighbors that are going to get
a lot of just targets, a lot of opportunities to

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get the ball in their hand. A lot of times
it comes down to the touchdown numbers and you can't
predict touchdowns. You just can't. But who are your candidates?
May Rob that could be the next wide receiver one
outside of Jamar Chase.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
I mean you touched on him. I think Malik Neighbors
is that guy in New York. I mean, I love him.
We've taught Me and Ryan have talked about this off camera,
but I mean, Malik Neighbors is an absolute stud.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
He really is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
I want to draft him so bad, and I know
a lot of people know this, but he's an absolute stud.
I really think so. I think he's gonna get so
many targets and I think he's gonna have He's probably
gonna have. He's probably gonna have top three, top four
yards for among the wide receivers in the league. I
think top four in yards. But other than that, I mean,

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I'm looking at a guy like a Nico Collins to
come back for the Texans and show up in a
big way. Of course, we talked about him earlier in
the show Tyrre McLaurin. He's such an important piece to
that Washington Commanders offense. Is a deep ball threat. He's
a big time guy that I'm looking at especially especially
late in the season. Really, when the Commanders need to
get some wins, they'll probably they might not use him

(01:10:04):
earlier on the season, they might try to use Deebo
Says on the other side. But as those two sides
start to mesh and get some chemistry with one another,
I think, I really think mclaurin's gonna get a lot
of targets here late in the season. I love him
and I think he's gonna be a big time league winner.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Yeah, I'll push back on Terry a little bit, not
because I don't think he's gonna be great. I think
he's gonna be the wide receiver twelve, but because he
was so touchdown dependent last season he had double digit
touchdowns for the first time in his career. That's not
something that you can really expect him to repeat. I
still think he's gonna be great in a really good
Washington offense. One name I'll throw at you guys here,

(01:10:40):
and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. How
about Drake London in an offense now run by Michael Pennix.
A connection that we saw down the stretch of the season.
Drake London was really really productive with Pennix in there
a full off season together. There's not too many other
options as as far as wide receivers in Atlanta for
them to throw to. I think he might be in

(01:11:01):
line for a monster season, potentially even wide receiver one,
if he can find his way to the end zone.
What do you think of a guy like that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
I mean, repeat the question one more time, Jeremy, I apologize.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Thoughts on thoughts on Drake London. I've got him as
wide receiver seven, which I've been told is a little
bit high. I've got Malik neighbors, aman Ra Pooka, Ja
Jettis CD and Jamar ahead of him. But I couldn't
put him any lower because of the opportunity in an
offense he has. He's the guy that I'm looking at
as a really good value pick in that in that

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second to maybe even third round, if you have a
lucky enough draft.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I mean, yeah, Drake London's really kind of found his
spot in that in that Falcons offense. I actually also
really like Michael Pennix, and I think that's gonna be
a big time part of this. I like his arm,
I like his precision, his accuracy. I just a big
reason why. I kind of like Kyle Pitts in this
draft as well, and we'll get to the tight end
position later on. But I mean, Drake London is going

(01:12:11):
to be a big time second round pick. I really
think so, and I think first able to draft him.
I'm not saying he's a league winner, but I think
he's gonna help you, especially early on to middle of
the season, to get some consistent ten to fifteen points
a game.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with that either. I
mean I believe I have him in the eighth for
me or in the ninth. Excuse me, but the only
person changing between hours would I put Nico above him.
But that is all depending on, you know, how the

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year looks out down the line, as well as his
obviously injury. But that you could say that with everybody.
But I do really like Drake London as well. I mean,
he finish as what the wide receiver five in PPR
leagues last year really cannot go wrong, especially as Mooney's
battling some injuries as well. We really don't know what

(01:13:10):
that will actually look like when the season does begin,
but I've seen people take Drake London at the end
of the first beginning of the second. Personally, I don't
think he's really the type of guy to drop to
the third round. But I mean really, when you look
at it, I think he's a consensus around that seven
to ten wide receiver seven to ten picks. So it

(01:13:32):
really all depends on you know, as we mentioned a
touched on earlier, you know your league mates, how they're drafting,
who they like to target their strategies. But I think
he's a really great pick to have around that, you know,
mid second round, maybe third if you can snag him there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
I also want to take a quick detour right back
to Jacksonville where we just spent a little time in
that running back room, because they have one of the
more interesting wide receiver rooms. Brian Thomas junior rookie season
was top three in pure receiving yards as just the
guy down with the Jaguars, new head coach, new offensive system,

(01:14:10):
new weapon in Travis Hunter. Nolan, Travis Hunter is perplexing.
He is not a guy that I know how to handle,
because we don't know how much snaps he's gonna get
on offense, how many snaps he's gonna get defensively. What
do you expect out of him, and more importantly, for
a guy in Brian Thomas junior that's going near the
end of the first round beginning of the second how

(01:14:33):
big of an effect is it gonna have on him
comparing it to last season, Well, I.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Think that I think I believe as I saw us
a while ago. His thing about Travis.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
Hunters like Roccations is only playing like every other possession,
So he'll be playing like offense in one possession, take
a break and defense. So I think that even with
the addition of Javis Hunter, Brian Thomas should have no
reason to fall anywhere out of mid second round.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
He was an absolute phenomenal upon for the Jags.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Last year when they had obviously you had Etn Hurt,
you had really no other weapons beside you besides Brian Thomas,
and he really stepped up to provide you know, a
good at least a solid peer wide receiver one and
just a peer best player on the field for the
Jaguars offense. I mean, he was really just their guy.
He was the go to receiver there. They really had

(01:15:21):
nothing else to go on besides him, And I think
this year he's really due for a breakout year. Especially
with you know, especially if you know N T eight
ETN slash tank Bixby's playing. Maybe Trevor Lawrence, you know,
maybe he steps it up this year, Maybe he finally
gets out of them, Maybe he's maybe this is the
year Treffor Lawrence, you know, proves everybody wrong why he
was paid so much money so all those years ago,

(01:15:42):
and why he was you know, a first round pick.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
This could be the year. Maybe it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
But regardless, Brian Thomas is still gonna be the jags
number one guy. He's still going to be. Oh and
I think he'd be a top ten receiver this year,
like points, just receiving wise, top ten. He's just that good,
just good, and he's young.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
Great.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Yeah, there's there's a lot of ways to handle this,
this wide receiver area, and more on a football side
of things, We're starting to see a lot of value
being put into these slot receivers right there. Are there
are guys like Amanra who play mostly in the slot.
Chris Godwin, of course, has made a career out of
playing in the slot. There Lad McConkie played a lot

(01:16:29):
in the slot last year and was real high up
there is there is there an avoidance of slot players.
Are you targeting slot players or does it more depend
on the offense for you, guys, may when you're when
you're looking at a decision between an ex receiver like
a Jamar Chase as Ceedee Lamb and a slot guy
like an amnro Saint Brown.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
I mean, definitely, I'm looking at their position. I mean
a slot guy like Amnra. I feel like it depends
on the offense as well. It depends on if you're
on a run heavy offense, if you're depends on the
style of offense that that that the team likes to use.
For example, say you have a Cooper Cup with the
Seattle Seahawks. You're in You're in an offense run by

(01:17:12):
coach Kobiak that loves to that loves to just run
the ball. I mean, they're gonna be running with Kenneth
Walker and Zach Scharbene all the time. I'm just using
this side example, but I mean I'm looking at their
lead I'm looking at a lead wide receiver over there.
I'm looking at a guy like a CD Lamb, like
a Malik Neighbors that can show out and get a
lot of targets, can get deep ball attempts can get

(01:17:34):
deep ball targets across the board, will get a majority
of the targets versus a slow guy that will be
there for like a third and medium, a second in medium,
in short yard or shorter yard situations for a catch
and run kind of guy. I mean, they're still good,
but I mean you're not gonna get as much value
in that situation versus a lead target kind of guy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
And then I want to I want to toss this
over to you Ryan.

Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
We've talked about a lot of different receivers that I'm
a big fan of. Who are some guys, some teams,
some situations in general that you're taking a look at,
or guys that you just don't want to touch with
a ten foot pull.

Speaker 5 (01:18:14):
Yeah, honestly, I mean here's a situation that you know,
I kind of want to hear your guys opinion on
this as well. I don't really know what is happening
with this Pittsburgh Steelers offense. I know in one of
my leagues, DK did fall to me, and you know,
I'm taking the risk on him in one of my leagues,

(01:18:34):
not all of them. You know, he can't put all
the eggs in one basket when you're looking at it.
I mean, he's really the guy for the Steelers. I
mean who else are they really throwing to over there? Regardless,
I mean Dk is still a stud I mean, he's
an athlete. It just all depends on how he's going
to actually play. So the Steelers are a little bit interesting.

(01:18:56):
One guy I'm kind of fading on a great offense
is AJ Brown. I just there's so many weapons there.
I mean, DeVonta Smith actually gets a lot of red
zone targets too as well. And then AJ Brown, Yeah,
he can get those insane contested catches. Those go up
for the balls like almost like no other. And I'm

(01:19:20):
still fading him because at the adp of you know
that round two, I just don't see as much consistency
as well as you know, those past injuries as well.
So I'm gonna be fading the top guy in the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Yeah, DK Metcalfs is a really interesting situation because he's
not only the weapon, but he's on a new team,
new scheme, new quarterback, lots of new over there the Steelers,
and Arthur Smith in general is a guy that likes
to run the ball. I don't see Tyler Warren. Excuse me,

(01:19:58):
I don't see the running backs going on in Pittsburgh
being these guys that can really carry an offense. And
Aaron Rodgers likes to air the ball out. He's a gunslinger.
Despite him being forty two at this point, he's still
gonna go out there and command that offense a little bit.
I don't know how much. Say he's gonna have it
work out too well in Jacksonville, but it worked out

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pretty excuse me in New York with the Jets, but
it worked out pretty well. Over with the Packers. I'm
fading DK. I don't trust that offense at all. We
saw Arthur Smith's offense not produce great wide receivers down
in Atlanta, and I mean they were able to do
it with aj Brown. His offense was able to do

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it in Tennessee, but that was when you had Derek
Henry to bring everybody into the box. And the Steelers
don't really have that same option with you know, Warren
and Caleb Johnson, the rookie out of Iowa. But there
is definitely a worth in taking a risk on him.
But at the place he's going, I'd rather have a

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guy like Mike Evans, who's gonna be going right next
to him in that forty forty five kind of area
of your drafts.

Speaker 5 (01:21:13):
Yeah, no, I completely I completely see that. For me.
They was I'm in a handful of leagues here, so
you know, in some you got to take those risks.
But genuinely and or generally, Yeah, DK is more of
a fade candidate. But we will see. I mean, if
Aaron Rodgers can, I mean at this point with his age,
we really don't know what we're looking at this year.
As we saw last year in New York. As you mentioned,

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wasn't anything too great there. You know, it's DK metcalf,
as you said, everything new. We'll see what he can
do with it. But yeah, I'm not really too sure.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
I think he won't even be the dumb one target
in Pittsburgh anyway. I think Pat Frin with the number
one guy. Really, I think I think Pat fried with
the number one guy in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 5 (01:22:00):
Eric.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
Yeah, DK's good, but I feel like he won't be
in the game half the time. I feel it'll be
like ejected for taunting or something like that. He's just
Pat Robys is a great tight end. I mean, I
think it'll just be I think Aaron Rodgers was definitely
like targeting, you know, a big tight end you can
get open and as quick like Pat.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Fryar with is in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Yeah, we talked a lot about early round running backs
and that's where they generally shine. The early round running
backs are, but wide receivers are a much different story.
We just finished talking about DK Metcalf, Mike Evans at
that forty five area. You can get Marvin Harrison there,
that's round four, round five. You go even further back
into this draft, just based on the ESPN rankings, you

(01:22:40):
can find you can find guys in the seventh eighth
round that are going to be huge, huge contributors on
your team. Jacoby Myers, we talked about him earlier on
the show. Wide receiver thirty six at pick seventy four.
Chris Olave, who's wide receiver one on a team going
at picks seventy five. Matthew Golden also a wide receiver one.

(01:23:02):
You know, you have plenty of options down in the
seventies eighties. Uh, if you're looking at really targeting wide
receivers in that middle kind of round, what are these
guys that you're going at as steals in the draft,
and who are some guys that you're avoiding? They are.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
I mean a couple guys that I'm definitely going for.
I mean, should I say that name? No, I probably shouldn't.
Let me not say that one that first came to
my head just to save it, but because I got
I have a guy here that I'm gonna be But
I mean a guy like a Marvin Harrison Junior is
a guy that I definitely like. Outside of that, I mean,

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you have i U. DeVante Smith in Philadelphia. It's a
great it's a great reliable asset over there. Keon Coleman
at a Buffalo there's a lot of young receivers in
Buffalo that I feel like there's no clear wide receiver one.
Khalisha Kiir. Keon Coleman's another good one. Like I'm mentioned,
I mean, of course you've got You've got Tyreek killed

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down in Miami. Even that's gonna probably a higher round
a third round pick. When you look across the board,
I feel like, like I said, this is a lot
of This is a deeper draft board than what first meets.
Roma Dunes that Keenan Allen DJ Moore, there's a bunch
of panther Teria McMillan across the board. There's a lot
this a this is a deep draft board, and there's

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a lot of young players that there's that you're gonna
be able to draft in the later rounds for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
You we do have a question in the chat from James, Uh,
it's it's yes. If it's a bad strategy to draft
elite quarterbacks in rounds two and three to facilitate a
running back trade where many of the top running backs
are off the board due to keepers in a ten
team league, I don't think so. I don't think so
at all. It depends depends a lot on of course

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your roster there, James, But uh, there are there are
a lot of different reasons to get a quarterback. Like
I was saying, uh in our quarterback segment earlier, you
get a Josh Allen, you get a Lamar Jackson, that's
you know, you're always viable for forty points any given
week kind of thing. So I definitely think it's worth
it over there. Good to hear from you, man, it's

(01:25:13):
been it's been. It's been a while. But outside of that,
getting back to the to the wide receivers, here, and
really I guess just the past catchers in general, if
we want to move a little bit towards tight ends
or maybe some of these guys in the later rounds.

Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
There are fallers, of course, Brandon Auke dealing with injuries.

Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
Terry McLaurin should shoot up boards now that he's signed,
but he was falling earlier. Uh, pass catchers, running backs,
just anybody in general. May Rob, what are your thoughts
on taking a swing on a guy that's not going
to be there early on in the season, maybe gets
you some IR spots.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
I mean, he's not gonna be on IR. But the
first guy that comes to my mind when you say
that is Rashid Rice in Kansas City. He's suspended right now,
but I mean when we're she Rice was playing with
Patrick Mahomes. He was a number one receiver over there,
and he's probably Mahomes's favorite threat when he comes back.
I think that that Chief we're not going to see
that Chiefs offense in full fledge for the first six

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to eight weeks. And that's a big reason why I
don't think they're gonna win the AFC West. Now. I
know that's a little bit of a hot take, and
I know there's probably gonna be some pushback, but I
personally just don't know how good that team is going
to be, and she Rice is definitely the first standout
name that comes to my mind.

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
Yeah, I mean I can agree with you in some
points there, to be honest, for me, it's with everything
still going on, I'm more of a fade on Rashid Rice.
I don't really want to have a wide receiver, especially
when you're targeting and expecting, you know, not necessarily expecting
with everything that's going on. But last year he did

(01:26:52):
very well. Now we don't even know the exact games
he's gonna be out. It's a sticky situation. Personally, I
don't really want to be involved in something like that. Honestly,
for me, somebody who I took who Now. We actually
got some pretty bad news today In one of my drafts,
mixing had fallen all the way to the twelfth round,

(01:27:13):
and at this point I was just like, you know what,
let's stash a mix and see what happens. Obviously, some
news came out today guaranteed excuse me to be out
the first four weeks. So that's a little bit disappointing
for that team, But I mean, really, when you're looking
at someone like Mixing, he really did well and averaged

(01:27:34):
I think he was like the eighth highest average in
PPR scoring last year. Obviously there was some time and
some injury and things like that, but he had a
really great stretch, so I was hoping that, you know,
we could have some value later in the season there.
Obviously wasn't expecting him to hit the ground running after
sitting the complete preseason and now he'll just get a

(01:27:55):
little bit extra rest. Not sure what to do with
this information now and how how went exactly. He will
be coming into play. But that's one of my sleepers
if you can find him, not necessarily a sleeper, but
if he's falling to like the twelfth thirteenth round, I mean,
could be a value down the line.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Yeah, now that's that's kind of a situation where you
got to take a guy like that in the twelfth round.
But I agree, I generally avoid guys that I know
are gonna miss any amount of time because best ability
is availability. I don't want a guy that's gonna be
injured for god knows how long or suspended for god
knows how long. We do have another question from the
chat from Caleb, who's your favorite sneaky wide receiver pick?

(01:28:35):
My favorite one in shocking. I'm shocked how far down
he is. And I don't know if it's a super
sneaky pick. Really, It's not like we're going way down
to your to your rookie wide receivers that nobody's heard of.
But I'm going with George Pickens. I feel like he's
getting a little bit underrated here. That move from move
to Dallas is gonna do wonders for both him and

(01:28:56):
Cede Lamb. He gets a massive upgrade at quarterback with
Dak Prescott and him going at wide receiver thirty one,
pick sixty at the ESPN rankings. I think that's an
absolute steal right there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
I could see.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
I feel like no one's talking about Cooper Cup at all.
I mean, gad, he got traded and he has a lesser,
a lesser talented quarterback and Sam Darnold. But I feel
like every draft that I've been in, which is only
two drafts, he's followed to like the ninth tenth round
each time. It's very surprised him. He's still just as right.
We're the exact same reaction I had. But I mean

(01:29:31):
is he's still like just as elite as he was
last year. He's just on a new team with a
lesser but just not as good as quarterback as Matt Stafford.
He's still fast, he's still an amazing route runner, and
his hands are still just as good as they were
last year. I mean, he's still elite, And I'm just
surprised people think that this because the now in Seattle,

(01:29:51):
competing with JSN, he's gonna be, you know, a worse receiver.
Just not sure he's gonna get less receptions, but he'll
still be get still be just as talented as he was.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
I can see where you're coming from a little bit.
I'm a little bit lower on Cooper Cup than I
think some people are, just not only because of the
situation he's in the quarterback down grade that he gets,
but also just because he's a little bit older at
this point. And I think it's clearly taken a toll
on him. You shouldn't. I Mean, the real reason people

(01:30:23):
love Cooper Cup so much want to draft him is
because of his Offensive Player of the Year triple Crown,
Super Bowl MVP winning twenty twenty one, but that's four
years ago at this point, right It's going to be
five years by the end of this season. And I
don't think Cooper Cup really has that in his game anymore.
It'd be nice if he had a resurgence season and

(01:30:43):
you get him at some real good value right now.
But that's the kind of guy that I think veterans him.
Steffan Diggs. I'm kind of fading a little bit al though.
Steffan Digs i'd snatch up a lot quicker than I
would Cooper Cup depending on my situation. Those are some
guys that I don't really love too much because you
never really know what's gonna happen with these With these

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veteran wide receivers.

Speaker 5 (01:31:09):
I can agree with that. I mean, that's really two
situations that we just don't know how they're gonna play
out until we see it actually come to light in
these next few next few weeks. I mean, for me,
I don't know if you guys can agree for a
sleeper pick going at a round like wide receiver forty
five to fifty five is a Josh Downs and that
may be a little bit interesting, but and we don't

(01:31:32):
know what exactly the situation is looking like, I mean,
what we do. But for that offense in general, I mean,
it is a messy offense to be in. But for
that bench to maybe flex player that you could be
getting you average thirteen point one PPR points per game
last season, sleeper for me. If he's on the board
in those very later rounds, I could be snagging up

(01:31:54):
a Josh Downs.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Yeah. Josh Downs is an interesting one because he very
much is a deep threat kind of guy, and when
you have Anthony Richardson throwing you the ball, you're gonna
get an opportunity or to every single game. But Daniel
Jones is a little bit of a different story. He's
always been a little timid, and I don't necessarily blame
him for going deep because the Giants offensive line would
have traumatized me too if I had to do that

(01:32:19):
as a quarterback. Right, That's just not the greatest situation
to be in. He's behind a better offensive line now
with the Colts, we might see him air it out more,
but I don't think he's really in that mindset or
in a super safe position where he's gonna air it
out too much. But Josh Down's always always good for
a big player too. I love taking a flyer on

(01:32:40):
those boomer bust guys, and he's one of the one
of the better boomer bus guys this year in this
in this year's fantasy football year. Another question from James
in the chat, he says he's picking seventh in a
ten team PPR team league. He expects there to be
a bunch of different guys you might expect Nico Collins,
Amanra Puka, Dre London, Ashton Genty, Derek Henry CMC. Which

(01:33:04):
one of those guys are you taking? I know I'm
leaning a little bit more towards Puka because I think
he's got wide receiver one overall upside. But curious what
your guys' thoughts are. We'll go and we'll go around
the room here.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Pukah is an interesting one, you know, because I feel
like we have we've seen how great he can be.
The problem is he's always injured. He's gotten injured every
single year. Now, if he can stay healthy and we
can actually see a full body of work in the season,
we might actually be able to see how good this
guy is and how consistent he can be. But in

(01:33:38):
terms of flashes, in terms of how good he can be.
I mean, we've seen multiple multi touchdown games. This is
a guy that when he's healthy, he can easily go
over fifty had fourteen hundred yards. Last year, pet played
one hundred five receptions, had six touchdowns. I mean, I'm
expecting him to clear go well over that six touchdown
mark that was twenty twenty three with the Rams. I

(01:34:01):
expect him to be able to clear that mark. And
I really think he's a low first round pick to
high second round pick for sure, no doubt about it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:13):
I mean I may be in a little bit of
an opposite boat than you, Rob, honestly, because when you
look at adding somebody like Davante into your team, I
know he's a bit of an older guy, but he
is also one of those guys who you target in
the red zone. And I know you mentioned some of
the twenty twenty three stats. Last year, Pooka in the

(01:34:34):
regular season only had three touchdowns, and where somebody has
the DeVante Adams where he's targeted in that red zone,
I think it's a little bit more tough to justify
a Pooka for me personally. Although he's a great athlete,
he makes some unbelievable catches. I think he also has
some of that injury risk. I mean, if he can

(01:34:55):
score more touchdowns, clear cut, absolutely, I would say so
for me, depending on what strategy you're going for, I
would be more looking at that Nico London that those
are my two picks obviously in that spot.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
Yeah, I agree. I was doing to say Nico Collins.

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
I think Nko he's gonna be Obviously, he was injured
last year, but the first game back he drops like
twenty five points, and he just consistently stayed above ten
points in the rest of the season, getting very few,
getting very few, honestly, just like targets and receptions. And
this year him coming back from injury and two Day
Stroud having a fully offensive having a fully healthy offense

(01:35:38):
but besides Joe Mixon, and he's gonna target him a lot.
I mean, he saw how good Neil Collins. We all
saw how good he was last year when he was healthy,
and he's only gonna just keep playing just as good
as he was last year with and improved hopefully two
Day Stroud. So yeah, I think you go, Collins will
be your best bet. I think he's just too good
a receiver to pass by.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
I do want to hit the tight ends a little
bit because we're getting a little bit towards the end
of our and my big question with the tight ends
is where do you take them? Because there's always that
giant gap between your top tight ends and your pedestrian
tight ends, and even then there's an even further drop
off to your bad tight ends. This year, in that
top tier, I think the consensus three guys are gonna

(01:36:18):
be you know, Brock Bowers, You're gonna have Trey McBride,
and George Kittle is staying up there. Those are the
three guys. Then you have a bit of a drop
off and that's where you run into your high upside
guys like Kyle Pitts. Always a really interesting one because
Kyle Pits it's always his year, right, He's just like

(01:36:41):
the Cowboys. It's always gonna be his year. We've heard
quotes coming out of training camp. I think it's become
a little bit of an inside joke at some point
within the NFL circles as well. But is it his
year this year? Because I am ready to buy into
the Kyle Pitts hype if you can get him in
tenth round kind of situation.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
Kyle Pitts is the first round tight end.

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
Well, if if Kyle Pitts is not drafting one on
one dismanted till your leading is his year, look, he
could be his year. Michael Pennix has been targeting him
a lot in training camp from sources that I've been
hearing about and reading about, and I really think that,
you know, Kyle Pitts could definitely have definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
One of his best fears.

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
I mean, he's the highest recruited tight end of all
time and we're making jokes about him falling to the
tenth round, which is still just.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
Insane to me.

Speaker 4 (01:37:33):
You don't get this generational talent in Kyle Pitts, and
I mean you just never had a quarterback or an
offensive or competent offensive qord to you that generational tight end.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
And now you do. You have a good.

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
Quarterback and older quarterback, but a good one, and a
better head coach since OC that's gonna actually target him
and get him like reps. And I think this is
actually it's crazy to say it might be his year.
Someone took him in the eleventh round and I thought
it was just so Pitts oh, first round player and
a good taking the eleventh round. He might be the

(01:38:06):
person who took him. He's starting him, so it really
might be his year. I really think it will be.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
Yeah, there's there's lots of ways. I'm big on him.
But there's also a couple of big rookie tight ends
that went this season. Colston Lovelin and Tyler Warren, two
guys that are climbing up climbing up boards. We've seen
rookie tight ends have really good seasons now two years
in a row. Sam Laporta of course, had that breakout
year where he was the tight end one overall, took
a little bit of a step back. Brock Bauers, of

(01:38:33):
course last season tight end number one overall arguably should
have been Rookie of the Year. Doesn't matter breaking records,
brock Bauers was. What do you make of these guys?
Colston Loveland, of course in that same system that Sam
Laporta was in, there's lots of hype around him. We
have a really good safety option and a Swiss Army knife,
and Tyler Warren with the Colts. These are guys that

(01:38:55):
could really rack up some solid points for tight ends.
Where do you see them finishing among their peers.

Speaker 5 (01:39:04):
I would be one of the type of guys who
I know. You both mentioned that you are high on
Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts is for me, staying in the
fade category. Maybe his year, and I'm glad. I'm glad
to miss his year to see change. But I'm not
going to touch Kyle Pitts with the ted foot pole. Personally,
I would much rather take a guy like Tyler Warren.

(01:39:26):
He is my favorite late round tight end. I would
say him and an Angram are the two tight ends
that I'm targeting towards those later rounds. But to me,
Tyler Warren just provides some value. As as we mentioned
that Colts offense is a bit shaky. They're very shaky,

(01:39:47):
so having a stud tight end like that could warrant
Warren a lot of targets.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
I personally like Kyle Pits, I mean, he talked about
it earlier. I just like I think Michael Pennix likes him,
and I think he's an interesting tight end to have
a tight end that a lot of people aren't talking about, though.
How about George Kittle with the San Francisco forty nine ers,
what happened to him. He was a top tight end
for the last few years. He's a guy in that
Brock party always kind of he doesn't he doesn't not

(01:40:21):
throw the ball to him, but I feel like he
hasn't been throwing to him in the last couple of
years as much, and his usage is kind of plummeted
a little bit. So I'm looking at Kittle to kind
of research his career a little bit if he can
stay healthy. Other than that, I mean, a guy in
Dalton Kincaid in Buffalo, Josh Allen loves Kinkaid. He was
one of his top receivers in Buffalo, especially in the

(01:40:45):
red zone. He loves using Kinkaid as a big body receiver,
sometimes as a block. Sometimes there's one of those side
out kind of guys you can use to bluff off
a defender if he's going to run for the end
zone to take off. Sometimes he just runs a little
pitch over to Kincaid. I mean, those are two guys
that come to mind in terms of sleepers for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Yeah, George Kittle's a really interesting one because he's kind
of a guy that's hanging on to that top elite
tier of tight ends. With your brock Bowers, with your Trainmkbride,
But he does it in a way that is just
frustrating because, like you said, there's games where he will
get zero points, he won't get targeted, he won't touch
the ball, but it all averages out because then it'll

(01:41:24):
have two or three games a season where he'll go
for twenty five thirty points. There is there is a
lot to like about George Kittle, but if you're looking
for consistency, that is not a word that George Kittle
and that forty nine ers with him on the forty
nine ers really knows. Because there's certain game plans where
he's just there to block, because he's very good at that.

(01:41:44):
He's probably the best all around tight end in the
game right now, but sometimes the game plan just doesn't
call for him to do that. A guy that was
up there for a while, Travis Kelsey. He's another interesting one.
He had his by far his worst season last year.
He's back after retirement after the Super Bowl loss last year.
He's going to play out his contract. How are you

(01:42:07):
treating him? Because when he's on the field and when
he's really trying, when he's putting in that work in
an important game. You see what he does. He has
that ability to go back five years and be that
Travis kelcey from the past, but he hasn't had the ability,
especially the last season, to do it for all seventeen
games of the regular season. Do you trust him to

(01:42:28):
be able to be your starting tight end, especially at
the price that's gonna take to get a guy like
Kelsey in the fifth round.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
Probably it's a crazy one, but I mean, you can't
be you can't be gilling for that. I think this
is Kelsey's last year in the NFL. I think he
retires after this one. Jason Kelce retired last year. I
think this is Travis's last year. I mean based off
of last year's numbers. I mean, I mean, unless he

(01:42:56):
has a crazy, shocking uptick back to his normal self
or close to it, just call it a career. He's
a Hall of Famer, He's one of the best tight
ends in the game. But I mean, his age has
gotten to him, and I mean you can just look.
He doesn't have the same size, he doesn't have the
weight to him, he doesn't have the power that he
used to have. Just all around, it just feels like

(01:43:16):
he's connection to even his connection. His chemistry with Patrick
Mahomes has even kind of gotten a lot weaker, at
least from what we saw last year. So I'm a
guy that traded for Travis Kelsey last year, so I'm
a guy that had to deal with all that nonsense.
So I know, but Kelsey is a guy that I
don't want to touch with a ten foot poll. I
would rather take Cale Pits over Travis kelce this year.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
Yeah, I understand. I understand the hesitation there, Ryan, and
I'll let hill as you finish up your thoughts in
a second. But he is definitely a guy that's hard
to pass up when he's staring at you in the
face and you can get him. Travis Kelcey in one
of those later rounds, A guy that would have been
wide tight end one a couple of years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
Yeah, No, I was just gonna say really quick that, Yeah,
from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty two, he was the
tight end one like six out of those seven years.
And I think he's just a bit past his prime
now that there are other guys that have a little
bit more upside to him. As you said, he debated retirement.
I don't know how much gas he has in him
this year and if he can pick it up from

(01:44:22):
last year. I mean, I don't know, you have a
lot of options there. If you want to trust a
guy like Kelsey who's historically done it but more recently
fallen off a bit, be my guest, that just won't
be me.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I'm always a guy that likes to
get a tight end later on in drafts. I just
like a guy that gets me ten points. Guys like
you know, Jake Ferguson, who had a little bit of
a down year last year, who can still be serviceable.
You brought up Evan Ingram. Mark Andrews might fall into
that group this year because we don't know what's gonna

(01:44:55):
happen with him and Isaiah likely now likely he's dealing
with a little bit of an injury. But how comfortable
are you with rocking with Mark andrew Who's was very,
very tight, touchdown dependent last season.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
No Bell's game.

Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
People enough were gonna ask some questions about whether or
not they should draft him after that overtime loss because
he dropped that ball on that one yard line end
zone area. I mean questioning, you know, the ability to
actually play tight end. He's still phenomenal tight end, though
he is getting a little older, and like you said,
he is touchdown dependent. He doesn't really get a lot
of receptions, especially with that tight like just that well offense,

(01:45:30):
well run of the offense, say Flowers, Garrick Henry, just
as Hill. I mean they still have they have a
great offense that doesn't really need a receiving tight end.
Mark Andrews is that blocking type of guy, but.

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
He is, you know, year's ago. I'd say absolutely those
guys bro love key. Yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (01:45:51):
Yeah, I mean he's still a great tight end. He's
still yeah, he is touched on dependent, but he still
gets you a few points again, just off catches, and
he'll store every other week about so if you want
to started every other week, you'll probably get it like
ten points out of him. But I just don't think
he's worth, you know, reaching for it all. I think
he's I think if he falls to you in pent
the eleventh round, you have. But I honestly would even

(01:46:12):
take him in the draft, maybe even free agencies, maybe
even to stretch.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
Let's go around the room here and then we'll finish
off with rookies. Give me your final thoughts here on
tight end boys.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
I mean, I just think there's better options out there.
Jake Ferguson in Dallas, Dallas got draft, Yeah, Dallas Goddard
with the with the Eagles. I mentioned Hawkinson earlier, Tyler
Warren with the Colt Friarmouth with the Steelers. There's better
options out there than a Mark Andrews. So if you
have an opportunity in like the eighth ninth round, go

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snag a tight end. Do not do not wait, And
if you wait, just don't take Mark Andrews. There are
better options than Mark Andrews.

Speaker 5 (01:46:55):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to agree with with
Rob on that Mark Andrews train. I mean average eleven
just over eleven points per game PPR last season, not
necessarily something I want to be targeting, although you know
he still finish his tight end six really not for me,
as we saw the regression a bit. So I'm gonna
be going for more of those guys like Warren or

(01:47:17):
if the team in situation permits early on a McBride
are of hours, But fading Andrews.

Speaker 3 (01:47:26):
Better than targeting is Kyle Pitts.

Speaker 4 (01:47:28):
I will trade for Kyle Pitts realistically not like Colson
Lovely and Tyler Warren.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
I mean either of those guys are no two guys.

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
We also we know how good Tyler Warren was at
Penn State and with especially this new mastermind, the head coach.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
They haven't a Ben Johnson.

Speaker 4 (01:47:42):
They are going to just be so much better on
the offenseid of the ball, and Tyler Warren is honestly
a top three tight end in my opinion. And this
year's draft Colson Loveland this or uh no sorry, timer
onare went sorry? I said, Colson Lovely with the bear sorry,
and Tyler Warren with the with the Colts. I mean yeah,
you either have Anthony Richardson throwing at you know, sixty

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yard bomb or Daniel Jones giving you a nice little
tight end pop route or like a nice little slant
or match.

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
Tyler Warren's quick.

Speaker 4 (01:48:09):
He's bad, he's quig and he can get your good
guards after he's not gonna get you know, he actually can.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
He can't get you about another ten fifteen yards after
the catch. It's what he's known for, it's what he's
good at. Yeah, either Colston Lovell and Tyler Warren or
just my go to guys, but Kyle Pitts is still
my number one tight end. It's his year.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
Yeah, absolutely, I think Colston Loveland is the one to
target if you're looking for the rookie tight ends. I
just I think that the system that Ben Johnson uses
loves those tight ends, and I'm all in on Loveland
for his ability to block, catch and really just be
an all around great tight end, kind of like a
George Kittle kind of build. But I did tease we
were gonna get to rookies here, and we kind of

(01:48:47):
skipped over it at wide receivers especially. We had a
question from James again in the chat about two rookie
wide receivers Dante Thornton Junior and Jayden Higgins. These two
guys who have made some noise maybe in the later rounds.
But you also have guys like a Mecca Abuca that
we didn't talk about that I think is going to
be a steal, especially at where he's going with the

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injuries to a guy like Chris Godwin. Where are these
rookies that are gonna pop out? Who are your rookies
that you're targeting mid to late rounds to be your
big difference makers? Late in the season.

Speaker 5 (01:49:24):
I mean, a Buka has a great opportunity here, and
I mean it is talked about, but I don't know
if it is talked about enough. As we saw last season,
obviously Mike Evans had some of that hamstring injury. He
is getting a little bit older, so we just don't
want that to happen again, obviously for his sake. Obviously
God went out and even McMillan has some injuries going on. Now.

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Abuca could explode this year. I mean, he's really valuable
where he's going, so he would definitely be somebody to target.
Now for Thornton, I really don't know what is happening
in this offense for the wide receivers at the moment.
Everything's all up in the air, especially with you know,
some news today, and he can still target him, and

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I mean he could be of value. It just really
depends what's happening with the other wide receivers in that room,
how they're looking. But he's a he's a big guy
and would be a value to have on the offense.

Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
Yeah, I'm gonna stuggle with running backs.

Speaker 4 (01:50:28):
I think I wouldn't recall this guy steal, but Mario
Hampton I mean he was Obviously he's gonna possibly be
the Chargers number one guy, depending on if analogy Harris
can see or not. But my other guy, if he
you know, if he plays, which I hope he does,
for John Jenkins for the Browns. Obviously he had that dispute,

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but he got proven, you know, innocent, so he didn't
get picked up by the Browns.

Speaker 3 (01:50:54):
And I think he could be legit running back one
for the Browns. They really don't have much going on
in the running back room.

Speaker 4 (01:50:58):
They just traded Nick Chuck and their other running backs
are just not nearly as good as clinch On Dunkins.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
And I think with in my opinion, the really good
old line that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
The Browns have, I think that he can make some
very serious I can think he'd be a really good
player for the Browns and for good just good fantasy
player overall.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
Yeah, lots to love with the rookies this year. We're
gonna end off our show here with just one final question.
Go around the room one more time. I want you
to name a player that you will not leave a
draft without. A player that you're not going to leave
a draft with. I'll start start with you, Nolan on
this one will go reverse order. Just who's your favorite

(01:51:36):
and least favorite player in this in this in the
fantasy season right now?

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
Favorite, I don't care what I say. Tuba Hubbard.

Speaker 4 (01:51:43):
I mean, he's just I just think he's so reliable.
Obviously it's not you know, your number one guy, But
I love Truba. He gave me so many points last
year and I'm expecting a lot out of them again
this year. And who I can leave without without breaking
a sweat, I'll say, honestly, I'll say Remondre Stevenson.

Speaker 3 (01:52:04):
Obviously we'll talk about him earlier, but you know he's older, obviously,
brought up the.

Speaker 4 (01:52:10):
Fumbling issues and with the guy other Tremion Henderson coming
in to probably gonna take a spot by probably like
week six or seven, I can live without him.

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
I'd probably take a spoiler. Ryan, you probably already know this,
but my first I'm going first round with Derrick Henry.
I'm taking him first round. He's locked in one hundred percent,
So I'm leaving the draft with him, and there's no
doubt about it. Unless somebody wants to take him in
the top five. You're more than welcome to and give
me a top five, one of those top five Gauntlet guys.

(01:52:44):
But I'll be taking Derrick Henry in the first round
at the number six pick. Outside of that, a guy
that I will not be taken and will not sweat about.
Cam Scattabo. You're welcome to hit the streets whoever would
like to draft him. I will not be tight taking him.
So that is my guy that a lot of people
kind of have are fluctuating high and low on. I'm

(01:53:06):
just a little bit lower on him.

Speaker 5 (01:53:09):
Yeah, I mean, hey, now that you told me that
may have to draft Derrick Henry on the third over,
I'll pick. We'll see. No, I'll let you have him. No.
I for me, somebody who I'm absolutely leaving on the
draft board. I'm not going to be touching Laporta personally,
too many weapons in that offense and get a bit

(01:53:30):
of a disappointing season last season. I just don't want
to be touching Laporta this year. Somebody who you know,
if he falls to me and I do have the opportunity,
I mean, I know we talked about it a bit earlier,
and he doesn't have a guaranteed position. But if Jordan
Mason's there in these later rounds. I'm going to take

(01:53:50):
him because I truly believe that he's going to be
taking over the running back one position and will provide
value where you can get him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
Absolutely, I'm kind of on the same line for the
guy that I'm trying to walk out of every single
draft with, and that's Ali Gordon. I kind of touched
on him a little bit in the running back section here,
but outside of a chan they don't have a running
back really Jalen Wright's there, but oo CAREU really cares.
Gordon's gonna get the goal line work in Miami because

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he's the only back that can do short yardage. He's
a guy that I absolutely love at the end of drafts.
He's not gonna shoot up the board. He's not gonna
get like ten twenty carries a game, but as a
handcuff and as a guy that you could just get
a couple of touchdowns out of, He's someone that I
absolutely love taking a shot on. And honestly, I'm not

(01:54:39):
touching CJ. Stratt. As good of a quarterback as I
think he is, that offensive line situation is too bad.
He could break the record for most times sacked in
a season very infamous club with David Carr over there,
not where you really want to be in the anals
of Texas Texans history. But I think there's a real
chance with how bad that offensive line is, that they

(01:54:59):
are not going to have anything going offensively. So I'm
not touching that quarterback situation. But thank you everybody so
much for tuning in to the Triple Threat Shows Fantasy
Football Extravaganza. We have been your host Jeremy Lapedis, Mayra Fitzemi,
Nolan Jambor, and Ryan Burns. Thank you so much for
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Give us a follow. We appreciate all of you guys
sticking around. We'll be back on Wednesday. We'll be talking
college football. Lots of stuff from week zero, big upsets,

(01:55:41):
game winning field goals. As time expires, lots of big
news will continue to preview the NFL. We have one
more division to get through and much more. We'll see
you then. Have a good one

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