Patriot Confederation with Ron Nate - President of IFF

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Every Patriot has an obligation to question authority. Those who
are honest are not concerned with your watchful vigilance, and
those with integrity are not concerned with your discernment. Every
American is obligated to voice their concerns and stand up
for their freedoms and liberties.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
One nation on.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Your God invisible with the liberty and justice for all.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Ladies and gentlemen. We are the men in the arena.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
We are the Patriot Confederation. We live back down from thye.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
We're un freed Americans.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
All right, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Patriot Confederation for
what is our first show of October, Yes, October seventh, five.
I'm your host, Bad Billy out of Twin Falls, Idaho,
joined as always by John Grovenor out of Nashawa and
New Hampshire, New England area. How's it going out that direction?

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Brother'll go ahead, Billy.

Speaker 6 (01:23):
As far as I know, we don't have a bunch
of Antifa rioting in the streets while district court justices
are shooting Trump down for trying to handle the job
he was elected to do.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
Yeah, of course he's Yeah. The city of Chicago with
the mayor of Chicago and the governor of Illinois, that
fat pig. You're looking to sue Trump, but I don't
see this going very far. Also, speaking of which Chicago,

(01:55):
of course, please keep Terry Newsome in your you follow
Patriot Confederation. Terry Newsom was on our show back in
February of the last year, twenty twenty four. Apparently he
was viciously attacked, sprayed with pepper spray, and from what

(02:18):
I understand, he said he had he was having trouble breathing,
and of course if you're sprayed with pepper spray, you're
having trouble seeing. And I don't know what his condition
is at this time, but please keep him in your prayers.
You know, he's one of our conservative brothers, swimming in

(02:39):
the blue waters of Chicago and trying to hold the
line down there.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
So God bless him. Let's hope for his recovery.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
All right, joining us this week, of course, I don't
know how many times I have talked about the Idaho
Freedom Foundation, but I have the iff's president Ron Nate,
joining the show.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Thank you very much for joining us.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
How you doing, sir, Thank you, gentlemen. It's an honor
to be on the Patriot Confederation Network. It's great to
be here. Thank you for inviting me on, looking forward
to a great show.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
Yes, yes, indeed, yes, indeed. Now it was almost I
think three years ago I was actually talking with Wayne
Hoffman and he has since stepped down and you have
stepped up. How long have has it been now that
you have taken the driver's seat with the IFF.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, the board at IFF came to me in late
twenty twenty three, and we're very persuasive. They appealed to
my sense of duty. They said that our president's stepping down,
it's time we get a new president. And Wayne Hoffman
was an original founder and he was the only president

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of the IFF up until that point about fourteen years,
and so I took over. My first day on the
job was the first Monday in January of twenty twenty four.
So I've been in for about a year and a
year and nine months now and it's been a whirlwind.
We have had great things happen. We always have tons

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of work to do, of course, because even though it's
red state Idaho, you know, Billy, you live here, the
logislature the governor does not match the will of the
people and so there's room for a lot of work
for patriots like you and me and freedom fighters to
go out there and hold those accountable who are trying

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to impost big government and Marxism on the people.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
You know.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
And this is what I say to those of listening
from outside of the state of Idaho. If your state
does not have an organization like the Idaho Freedom Foundation,
get your friends together, put your heads together, and make one.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Make one that do it.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
I can't tell you the amount of success we've had
from this. I also served in the legislature for three terms,
and when I served there, I got there and there
was only one other liberty legislator at the time, so
there were two of us out of one hundred and five.
And the Idaho Freedom Foundation had just started doing a

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Freedom Index which tracked legislator's votes compared to a system
of fourteen metrics of freedom. And that accountability has led
to a shift not only in the composition of the
legislature in terms of how many true conservative liberty folks
there are, but also in terms of what they what
they proposed and accomplished. And so now I could say

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we have probably fifteen to twenty liberty legislators. But we
still need to hold all of them accountable because there's
a lot of crap legislation that gets proposed and it
needs to be stopped.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
Oh yeah, we're going to be we're going to be
talking about that, you know. I mean, especially the index
cards too, is something that's important, and I know for
a fact that it's it's not something every state has.
Like I said, put your heads together and make one,
you know, look at how your your senators and those

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in your state legislature vote and score them, you know,
just like the John Birch Society does. But of course, John,
but I like the John Birch Society scorecards, but Idaho
Freedom Foundation goes a little bit more in depth on

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how they're spending.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, and let me let me tell you that there's
some other organizations who do scorecards. There's I think the
Institute of Legislative Advisors they do it. The Club for
Growth does one, like you mentioned, the John Birch Society
does it. I think there's even a GOP scorecard. And yeah,

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they'll take a handful of bills and see what legislators
agreed with their assessment of them and what didn't and
give them a score. Well, these conservative organizations like the
John Birch Society, GOP, what is It, the American Conservative Union,
largely agree and agree with us in terms of the

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assessment of legislators, but we get I think ours is
as comprehensive as any in the country. Last legislative session,
we raided across fourteen freedom metrics. We gave a rating
to four hundred and forty four bills, and the bills
that got voted on on the floor of either the

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House or the Senate or got to the Governor's desk.
Any bill that got votes like that was calculated in
the Tallly for legislators scores, so they don't get to
take a pass on a bill just because it's not
included in the index. We publish our ratings before the
bill is voted on, so legislators, if they wanted to,

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they could get in an a one hundred percent just
by looking at our analysis and seeing that the fourteen
metrics of freedom are largely honored or dishonored, they should
be voting against those bills. And so I think of
the bills that made it to the floor, I think
we had one hundred and seventy eight bills voted on
in the House and something like one hundred and sixty

(08:29):
some odd bills voting in the Senate. All of those
were included in our in our analysis, and we do
a spending index too. I should mention.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
That, Oh yeah, yeah, like that's what I was talking about,
you know, as opposed to like the John Birch Society,
which I check that one often too, But Idaho Freedom
Foundation goes a bit more in depth, and that that's
what I like about it, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, And I'm proud of our system, our metrics. We
advertise what the metrics are. Does it grow government or
shrink it, does it honor the Constitution or not? Does
it make something that was make something that was private
into government or the other way around. You know. We
have fourteen metrics that way, and so running each bill

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through that metrics test, giving it a rating, and then
letting legislators vote and having that determine the score for
the legislators. I don't think it's matched anywhere in the country,
and I would hold up our measure against any other
organizations I am. I'm proud of our system. I would
love to export this to other states if there's other

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organizations like ours, so it would like to do this.
It's tedious, takes a lot of time, energy, and resources,
but it produces a very solid product. If there's any
legislator out there that says, oh, I know I'm a
B minus, but I should be an A because they
just got some ratings wrong, well, they would have to

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disagree with us on like two dozen ratings to have
their letter grade changed by one letter. It's not one
bill here or there that they disagreed with. They would
have to systematically vote apart from freedom to have their
score drop, their letter grades drop by one whole letter.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Well, I got to say that there's one senator that
my organization has that we endorsed in twenty twenty four
and they still have a good score, but recent choices

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they have made have made them a big disappointment.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
So, you know, we have noticed a trend of legislators
that legislators. When you run in Idaho, every candidate with
a certain letter that next to their name, or a
certain animal next their name that has a trunk, every
one of those candidates will say that they are a

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true conservative. They're proven conservative, true conservative, I'm working for
the people. They all say that very few of them
actually achieve high ratings on the Freedom Index, because it's
one thing to say it, it's another thing to vote it.
When you have the labor unions breathing down your neck,
or you have a governor or you have House leadership saying, hey,

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I know you want to be committee chair someday, you
got to go along to get along. When you have
lobbyists in your office saying that they will attack you
in the next election if you don't go along with them,
it's harder to do it than it is to say it.
So a lot of people say it, and even those
that do come here and vote conservative. Over time, those

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pressures tend to work on them. So a small percentage
of them start off voting conservative. Over time they tend
to drop. It is the rare individual that stays in
the high A category term after term, and there's a
few of them that are doing that in Idaho. I
think Glenda's Eiderbelt and Christy Ziddo have been in there

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multiple terms and they're at the top of the index.
They're just super star.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Actually, Glanda, she was on with us here a few
weeks ago, and yeah, she's seeking.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
Her third term as senator and.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
She and she's done a remarkable job. I mean she's
done more than say that you know she's conservative and
stands for the Constitution. She's actually made her constituents happy
and proven she did she she walked the walk. She
didn't just talk the talk. And that goes for the

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rest of our Gang of eight. They walk the walk,
they do.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
And you know, for your listeners outside of Idaho, the
so called Gang of eight are those who chose to
stay strong, be firm. They're part of the State Freedom
Caucus network and they said, you know what, part of
our battle here is battling for the people, and that
often means battling against leadership. And so they're not here
to to go along, to get along, to play leadership's game,

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to vote for big spending in return for legislative rewards
they might get. No, they're fighting for the people. And
what you said is true that Glenita Zeiderveld Christie Zido
are very popular in their districts. And this is what
I would like legislators to understand that despite the pressures
in that marbled Capitol building that say, hey, if you

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don't if you don't do this, you know, you're going
to get embarrassed and people aren't going to like you.
The opposite is true when you stand for liberty and
freedom and your and your district is for liberty and freedom.
They love you as a legislator. Go against the establishment
every single time because you are loved as a legislator.

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And I just don't understand how quickly some of them
fall for the lies within the capital that you have
to you have to compromise your principles in order to
get one thing done.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Well, well, we got to go to break here in
just a moment. But to answer part of that, Nate,
is the mainstream media is there ultimate weapon. If it
was told on TV, it must be true. Anyway, We're
gonna go ahead and take our first break and we'll
be back in about two minutes. Beautiful, all right, ladies

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and gentlemen, we are back once again, joined by Ron
Nay to the Idaho Freedom Foundation. And I was saying,
just as we went to break, I think, you know
we why a lot of people look at Christy Zito
or Glanda Zyderveld so negatively is because they have they

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have the power of the mainstream media, whether it be
the Idaho Statesman, The Times News here in Twin Falls
or k t v B and Boise, you.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Know, are all liberal networks.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
You know they they Brad Little can count on them
two uh to really uh paint some people in a
really bad light. Then of course you know they're there
are those that have good scores but are loyal to
Mike Moyle. And I mean, oh, Lauren, and I hope

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you're listening because I'm about to butcher him. But come on,
how can how can you be considered conservative when you
want to raise the taxes on us and and enrich yourself.
And and that's why part of the Gang of Eight
is hated by by by so many there because they

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they voted against enriching government and saving the constituent's money,
so they have to use that against them. Then there's
a factor too that if anybody from the Gang of
Eight wants to propose a bill, it's not even heard.
It's basically thrown in the trash before it's presented.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, and that is part of the carrot and stick
system that leadership is set up in the legislature. You're
exactly right. The Gang of Eight voted against the legislative
payrais and here at the Idaho Freedom Foundation, we published
articles and said, look, the legislative pay raise is way
out of whack. There is no correlation between paying legislators

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more and getting better legislation. There's just no correlation. It
doesn't stand up. And they were asking for a forty
six percent pay raise at the time. Yes, after our
article they adjusted that down to twenty three percent, but
still that was outrageous percent pay raise. And one of
our arguments was, you do this and then you start

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looking at every other government, every agency saying well, we
want to pay raise, we want to pay raise. Sure enough.
Judges did, sure enough, cops did, sure enough, city councils did,
mayors did, superintendents. It was a snowball all across Idaho
where they were all voting themselves pay raises. The Boise
City council nine percent pay raise. Nine percent, that's three

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times the rate of inflation for that one year.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
It was.

Speaker 6 (17:31):
I was going to ask, as was it been ten
years or something since they last out a pay raise,
I mean, twenty five percent at a two point five
percent interest out every year. Payray's supposed to reflect cost
of living increase, not an increase in your pages for
just because you know.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, and uh, you know, they were trying to make
the argument that if we are paid better, we'll get
better people here somehow. I. Oh, what, that's what they said.
And so you know, I I can't agree with their arguments.
And then, uh, you're you're right in that many of

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them changed their principles over time, and so some of
them are supporting Mike Moyle. Mike Moyle at the time
was an F rated legislator. Uh, to try and look better,
he's raised his score up to a C. So he's
a C rated legislator. I don't know if that makes
people excited happy.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
Oh no, it doesn't, because I'm sorry, I'm not. I'm
not happy unless I see a's and b's across the board.
Maybe how C c's accepted. But no, he's he's got
what is it in? In the freedom index, he's he's decent.
In the spending index, he's got an F.

Speaker 6 (18:47):
Not well, So wait man, how does this work exactly?
Is this based on an annual rating so you rate
him by the year or is it based on his
overall ratings since he's been in office? Uh?

Speaker 2 (18:57):
This is Uh, we rate them and and I guess
we could average those annual ratings. But in twenty twenty four,
his rating was an F on both spending and on freedom.
In twenty twenty five, he raised his freedom index by
about up into the C range. But I think that

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was because there was better legislation running through and there
were fewer awkward votes because he was able to stop
good legislation before it got to the floor, so therefore
he didn't have to make awkward votes. But his spending
index door is still in the F range. He votes
seventy five percent of the time to increase government spending.

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He's crosswise with the spending index seventy five percent of
the time.

Speaker 6 (19:47):
So he doesn't he doesn't justify it or offer solution
how they're going to cover the cost of spending. Basically
is just spend beyond your means.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Uh yeah, Well, Idaho, you know, does have a balance
budget provision in the constitution. But Idaho's also a productive
state and people are moving into Idaho, so government tax
collections are going up over time. But the sad part
about that is is that most of those tax collections

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are not refunded back to the Idaho its in the
form of tax cuts. We're not reducing rates because of
the increased population, increased productivity. It's going into government coffers.
So the government budget is increased by sixty percent in
the last six years.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
So they're just sticking it to you, sticking it.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
To you every way. You know, eleven billion dollars flooded
into Idaho through through the federal COVID stuff. And you know,
I was in the legislature for most of that time
and said, don't be taking this money. You're writing checks
you can't cash because what happens when the federal money
dries up. Well, the federal money's drying up, and they're

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just increasing state spending to fill those holes. And I'm
remembering the forgotten man. The forgotten man are the families
that are hurting.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
Well, I've told that story a few different times on
a few different occasions. Is when COVID first hit, Trump
had offered states that declared a state of emergency, good
sum of money. In Idaho, we only had one unconfirmed case,
and brad Little thought that that, okay, that's good enough

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reason to declare a state of emergency. Shut the whole
state down. Nobody's allowed to go to church. You know,
you got people getting arrested for going to church, got
a lady getting arrested for taking your kids to the park.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
You know that's exactly right. Did you know this is
this is so government, This is so what they do.
The legislature convened a COVID review task Force. So here
we are five years later, they have an interim task force.
I don't know why they can't do their work during
the legislative session, but for some reason we need these

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special task forces, which cost tens of thousands of dollars,
hundreds of thousands of dollars. But they reviewed the Idaho
government response to COVID, and yes, they identified that First
Amendment rights were infringed upon even Second Amendment rights, your
rights to assemble, your rights to speech, your rights to
work and earn money for your family because businesses were

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shut down, churches were shut down. You know what wasn't
shut down liquor stores because that's state that's state money
coming in. And so they reviewed all this and they
acknowledged at least in three to five different ways the
way constitutional rights were violated. And so this is part
of their report. They made three votes, eight to two,

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nine to one, eight to two, that constitutional rights were violated.
Then when it comes to the question of what should
we do about it, who's going to be held accountable?
Are we going to prosecute the governor for violating constitution? Nothing? Crickets.
They won't do anything. There's zero accountability.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
No, no, and there won't be Unfortunately, I mean, the
only person that's or I should say, the only one
that's going to hold Brad Little accountable for what he's done,
is going to be the good Lord when he when
he leaves this earth.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Unfortunately, that's the way it works in Idaho. Republican governors
get a pass and like you said, the media, the
media will will be rate them if they do anything
against education. But their fourth governors have learned to we
got to support the NEA and the IEA Idaho Education
Association will always dump more money into schools, so school

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budgets go up dramatically. They they more than doubled in
the time I was in the legislature. It's now over
three billion dollars. It's more than half of the general fund.
It's sixty three percent of all spending in Idaho government
is going towards education of all state spending. It's going
towards education lacking the results. The results are flat on

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reading and math.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
Well yeah, no, no, because that's not what they're not
teaching the basics that we need to know. I'll tell
you when when I was when I was a teenager,
Idaho ranked dead last in education. And but still at
that time we still had reading, writing, arithmetic and all

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the necessary stuff. And it's worse now, it's much worse.
I don't know where we rate, but if we're not
dead last, I can't imagine who is. And of course
I got my own daughter shortly after Trump's inaugurated. I
hate Trump. He's getting rid of DEI. And I'm like, well,

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do you even know what it means? Do you understand?
I said, I'm glad they're getting rid of it. And
she's trying to tell me that my my son, who
you probably saw Glenda's that day. They said, she's trying
to say DEI affects him. And I'm like, do you
you've been brainwashed? Who told you this crap? This is

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what they're teaching at the schools let alone? Oh yeah,
there was one time too. She told she looked me
in the ey and told me that when we're discussing
my kid here, what if he wants to be a
girl when he gets older? And you know, I held restraint,
but I wanted, I wanted to backhander. I really did.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well. The answer to what if he wants to be
a girl is not to indoctrinate all of kids society
into this new and demonic Marxist ideology that that diversity, equity,
and inclusion is somehow a good thing, because it's not.
It It destroys productivity, it destroys morals, it destroys families,

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It destroys the good character of the United States. You know,
two Tookville said America is great because she is good.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Well, this is all I mean.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
I I bought Karl Marx's communist Communist Manifesto because it's
good to learn from the enemy, you know. It's why
I've been debating whether or not I'm gonna get Hitler's
mind comp just so you know, I can learn the tactics.
And Karl Marx, of course, yeah, his his idea is

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destroy the nuclear family, abolish private property. Everything's to be shared.
But yet, Carl Marx, why why do people urinate on
his grave if he's so loved?

Speaker 4 (26:50):
For you.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
In that communist manifesto too. You're exactly right, abolished private property.
One of their one of their tance of Marxism is
to make all education of the children in public, make
it government run education, because when government runs education, they
indoctrinate them to think that government is their savior, is

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their solution. All that's good in the world does not
come from government. It comes from good families, good morals,
a good strong work ethic, and people working and providing
for themselves, being part of communities and churches that care
for one another instead of throwing up their hands and saying, hey,
there's a welfare system, let that work.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
Oh, there's so much I can get into on that too,
from welfare to planned parenthood. But we are at the
bottom of the hour, so that means we got to
take our bottom of the hour break and we will
be back in about three minutes. And ladies, gentlemen, we

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are back once again, joined by on Nate the Idaho
Freedom Foundation. So I was, uh, I was reading something
else too, and uh, you're you're actually looking to get
people involved who are interested in being activist for you.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
That is that correct?

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, we higher interns. We also uh need help around
the office here from time to time doing our mailings
and getting the word out and uh we we want
to energize a lot of folks to get you know,
through We have sister organizations too. We have Idaho Freedom
Action which is five oh one c four, which can

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do a lot of educating and even going door to
door telling people about issues and legislators. We also uh
have with under different leadership, but kind of associated with
i f F is the Idaho Freedom Pack which can
actually full on engage in elections and uh go door

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to door and and promote candidates, promote issues and and
get involved. And so when these elections come up. Uh,
you know, we're we're nonpartisan, but we're certainly pro principle
and we will help good candidates.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
The Pack especially will help good candidates get elected and
get some of the some of the conservative and name
onlays out of there.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
Oh yeah, well that that's a that's a new one
that i've uh I've never heard before. But then again,
you know, there are some that I could I don't like,
but I can actually respect them just because they're not
hiding it. Like uh the legis the former legislator out
of Pocatello, Nate Roberts.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, one of one of the absolute words.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
He doesn't belong in the state of Idaho from where
where I stand. But at least he'll he'll sign up
as a Democrat, and he's not going to hide the
fact that he's a total communist and embrace Bernie Sanders
and basically tell you, I'm here to change in Idaho,
to change the landscape.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, you know, and if everyone exhibited that kind of honesty,
then all the voters would know that you're this guy's
a Marxist. He runs as a Marxist, he votes as
a Marxist. Yeah, it would make It would mean that
our Idaho Freedom Index had no no added value because
everyone would do what they said. But the problem is

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those in this very squishy middle, I call it the
far middle, those in the far middle who vote that way,
they vote for Marxist ideas, Democrat ideas that they might
be right on guns and write on abortion, but on
everything else, they vote like Democrats. And they're either lying
to the voters or they've deceived themselves enough to think

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that they are conservatives, when in fact their action betray
that all the time. And so that's why the Freedom
index is so important is that legislators aren't all honest
on this. They do bear false witness, either by lying
or by bearing witness of something that they think is
true but doesn't happen to be true. And so that

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is the value of the freedom index. It is that
legislators don't behave the way they portray themselves.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Well, John, get this.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
The candidates here in Idaho that our organization endorsed in
twenty twenty four, and I'm just gonna leave them nameless. Ron,
I think you're gonna know who I'm talking about them.
I mean number one. Well, I talked to my good
friend and co founder of the Bearded Patriots, Mike Miller,
asked him, because he lives in the district that she covers,

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and asked him how he felt about her, and it
was kind of His answer was like so so, some
things he liked, some things.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
He didn't like.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
But I looked over everything and talked it over a
little bit, and our organization endorsed her, especially since she
also got an endorsement from Gun Owners of America. Now
as of recently, she's suggesting gun control.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, that is the third rail of Idaho politics. That
Idahoans loved their guns. Idahoans respect the Second Amendment. Idahoanes,
we have constitutional carry in the state. It should be
a no brainer that a well regulated militia being necessary
to the security of a free state, the right of

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the people to keep the bare arms shall not be infringed.
People understand that in Idaho. And if you're a legislator
and you even have a question about that, that as
if you don't understand how the Second Amendment works or
understand and this more importantly, the history of how rights
are violated, erased, taken away, then you end up asking

(33:11):
dumb questions about the Second Amendment that you know, they're
not going to say, hey, tomorrow, all guns are illegal.
But what they're going to do is say, hey, you
know what, this group is hated right now and they're
kind of violent. We ought to take away their gun rights.
What say ye, people, And the stupid people will go, yeah,
take away their guns, not realizing that they're next. And

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so we never question this Second Amendment. Rights are sacred.
They should never be challenged here because we have a
lot of other dependency on government to protect rights, not
infringe rights. Remember the right to defend yourself against your neighbor,
against your enemy, against your government is a god given right.

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It's not granted by government. All governments are empowered to
do is protect rights, not create rights, nor take them away.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Well, well, John, if you remember when we talked to
Peter Vodenka, he of course he's he grew he was
born and raised under a communist regime and told us
they're in Czechoslovakia. One day they the government declared all
guns are illegal, and just you know, it's not that

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they went door to door confiscate skating guns.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
It didn't work that way.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
They knew they couldn't do it that way, but they
could use the media to scare.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Everybody, and they got what.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
Ninety nine point nine percent of them got rid of
their guns, went and threw them.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
In the river.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
Franklin Roosevelt did it with gold, right. It was illegal
to own gold back in the day, and people had
to turn in their gold and stuff. I assume it
was a buyback. Guns would work the same way. Once
they start out longing and they're doing it, it's already
in the process.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Guys.

Speaker 6 (34:57):
It's not like it's not as if it's not happening.
Go try to buy a fully automatic rifle and see
what happens. You're not allowed to have it. Okay, So
it's already in the works and they keep passing these laws.
If you go look at Scotis rulings bruin Heller, there's
a bunch of them. In fact, you a library Congress,
there's this whole list of laws that have been passed
within city states in the federal government in which case

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they try to violate rights and Scotis had to overturn those,
and much of those are your First Amendment rights as
well as your Second Amendment rights. They do it all
the time. And when Scotis overrules these, it says, no,
that's unconstitutional. Do they remove it from the books? They
do they remove from US Code And the answer is no.
They leave it there and hopes to overturn it again.

(35:42):
But that's also a point of leverage, because if you
don't know any better, and you don't do your research,
you assume there's a law there that really is an
unenforceable law. It is a law technically, but it's not enforceable.
These are the tactics we're dealing with on a constant basis.
They know they're violating our rights when they pass these laws.
They're quite aware of it, but they do it anyway
because they're getting away with it, and we the people

(36:04):
have got to put her foot down and say enough
is enough.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
You know, Oh, I'm sorry, Go ahead, John. One thing
I'll say really quick too, is they're good at finding loopholes,
especially the left.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
I mean, they'll search for it.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
Just like you know, we talked about the flag law
here in Idaho, where you know, only the American flag,
the Idaho flag, military and tribal or what's allowed on
government buildings. But Mayor McLean and Boise found a loophole
so she can wave the rainbow mafia flag.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
Well, activist judges are doing it all the time, Billy.
I mean, do you think the commerce clause was meant
to be used and weaponized the weights being used in
modern day times. Our forefathers did not intend for them
commerce clause to be used, the waves being used. It
doesn't mean they can just go do whatever they want
to do. But these activists judges, they turn around and
interpret these laws for the benefit of their party's agenda,

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not for what's right with the US Constitution of the
people of the country.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Oh, goodness, you guys are so spot on with all
of this. A dozen years ago, I would have said,
there's no way the government is going to make guns
illegal and expect people to turn them in or or
to get them out of people's hands. But I'll tell
you what, my eye's been open in the last dozen
years because one we see places like Australia, they make

(37:25):
guns illegal, they buy them back. They say, hey, turn
in your guns. If you don't turn them in, hey
we'll buy them back. And then you're exactly right. They'll say, hey,
you know what, owning a gun is illegal. If you're
caught owning a gun, then your penalties doubled or you're
thrown in jail or whatever, and so then you'll be
scared to own a gun. And then they will empower

(37:46):
neighbors to rat on neighbors, and you don't think they
will with the mask mandates.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
That's exactly when I mentioned Peter Vedeka.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Yeah, that's exactly what he was touching on too, said,
you know neighbors were becoming informants.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah. Read the Gulag Archipelago. You know, it shows how
everyone was afraid of those black cars that came in
the middle of the nine and just took away your neighbor.
But the neighbors were ratting on neighbors, kids were ratting
on parents. It's right out of nineteen eighty four that
the government will use its its levers of power to

(38:26):
get people to rat each other out. And if you don't,
and under the threat of arrest yourself, that's too. You
knew this and you didn't say something, we'll arrest you too.

Speaker 6 (38:36):
Yeah, that's that's what Nazi Germany did and other fascist
countries did. The thing about Australia is there's still gun
violence in Australia because they have illegal weapons, they have
black market arms trait in Australia. They have ghost guns.
You can everybody knows you can three D print. When
if you got a three D print or maybe it's
not gonna be the most reliable weapon, it might melt

(38:57):
on you them. I don't know, I don't know how
that works. But the point is is they still can
have gun violence in Australia. Problem is you don't have
the ability to defend.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Yourself and nor are you allowed to defend yourself.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
Hey, anyway, we're at our final quarter and so we're
gonna take our final break and we'll be back here
in about a minute and a half.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
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(39:45):
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Speaker 2 (40:00):
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(40:33):
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the last segment.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
We're talking about you know, you're you're.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
Looking for activists, you're looking for volunteers. You know, you
maybe even hiring some people. If if somebody wants to
step up, where do they go, where do they turn
in their resume?

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Well, they should go to Idaho Freedom dot org. And
at idahoa freedom dot org you got access to the whole,
the whole horizon of everything we do. Here. You can
see the Freedom Index, you can see our stance on
policy issues, you can see the research articles we've done.
We just added a few new things local Government Accountability page.

(41:17):
You can see all your local governments and we're going
to be adding more and more cases of Malfeason's corruption
and whatever's going on at the local government level and
so and you can also apply there. You can also
report to us any corruption that you're seeing in government too.
So that's a great place to go. Idaho Freedom dot org.

(41:38):
It's it's got it all right there, and send us
an email, get on our mailing list. We'll send you
all all of our stuff for free.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
Absolutely Now you know, as I as I stated at
the beginning of the show, for those watching or listening
out of state, if your state does not have an
organization like the IFF make one. Of course, if say somebody,
somebody is listening that and they're from one of these states,

(42:07):
I do not have an organization like this, how would
you advise them to go about putting one together.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Well, a lot of states do have them, but some
of them are some of them are squishier than others.
Some of them want to play the game rather than
be confrontational with legislators. And so IFF has built its
brand on not sitting on the sidelines, not taking a pass.

(42:37):
We'll bring it right to them. And so if your
state doesn't have that foundation with a confrontational bent to it,
I think it needs one because that's the way you
get results in today's political landscape. And so ours didn't
come from nothing. It came from three individuals who felt
strongly about freedom. Ralph's Meat among them. You know, he

(43:00):
handing out free constitutions forever. But just handing out constitutions
not enough. He says, you've got to be activist. You've
got to be in their faces. No is a positive word.
You got to teach politicians that they need to say
no more. And so they started up the Idaho Freedom Foundation.
We can't do it alone. We're based on donors and
donors they bring resources that we don't have, you know,

(43:22):
the money and the needed to do all the things
we do, but they don't have the time and the
expertise to do what we have. We have time and expertise,
but we don't have money. Together, we make a solid
partnership there. I am blown away at the generosity of
good freedom lovers in Idaho who will donate to this

(43:44):
cause because it's helping all of Idaho. If you read
an Rand and Atlas Shrugged, you know, all the good
freedom people, all those who want to produce and not
mooch off of others, move to a place called Galt's
Gulch and they set up a free society. Well, a
lot of people view Idaho's the golf sculpture of the
United States. There's not many free places to go. I

(44:07):
know you're in New Hampshire, John, live free or die.
I don't know how alive it is there, but.

Speaker 6 (44:12):
Oh, it's awesome here, man, I mean, look, what was
it world in a world now? The other one World
Population Review rates New Hampshire number one for freedom, Florida
number two. So both my states, man, both my states.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Look as you go. And so we need to preserve
that in Idaho. And it doesn't get preserved by people
just sitting back and thinking everything's fine. It's constant vigilance,
my friends.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Yes, well, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (44:38):
And another issue that Idaho Freedom Foundation helps tackle too
is let's talk about a next door neighbor that I
used to have. He moved here from California because he
wanted to escape the communist hell hole that Gavin Newsom created.
And you know he he was just as liberty living

(45:02):
conservative as I am. But it then came the twenty
eighteen midterm elections. This is what he told me. I
went to go vote. I didn't know anything about them,
but if they if they had an R by their name,
I just marked them.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah. And again not to harp on this, but that's
the value of a freedom index. And so if your
state doesn't have one, go and get an organization to
do it. Will help them do it. Call me up.
I'll give all the secrets for doing a freedom index
the right way. But you're exactly right. You know, we
do have people coming from California, the refugee, the freedom

(45:42):
refugees I call him, you know, and from Oregon and
from Washington and they come to Idaho because Idaho is
purportedly that free state, that oasis, but it's the freedom
doesn't come for free. So when they come here, yes,
bring your freedom principles here, but your tendency to rely
on government at home. Sometimes we get a few Californians

(46:05):
or Washingtonians who think they're free. They come to Idaho
and then they still want to do some California things,
But for the most part their their freedom. But you know,
we have educating to do too, and so that's why
we do all of our research and articles and just
bring it to the people.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 6 (46:23):
There's an old saying. You know, when it comes to government,
be careful what you wish for, because you very well
may get it. You know, you got to be careful.
And trucking, everybody was complaining about the fact that we
have to have a license to CD a license to
drive a truck, and they're looking at our vs and going,
why don't they have to have a license? Like, stop, bro,
don't do that. You're just put your pains on them.

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It's not fixing your problems if you start looking at
them and start pointing a finger at them and expect
them to have a special driver's license, then instet of regulations.
Then they're they're they're just you know, that's just transgressing,
transgressing your pain. That doesn't fix anything.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
Well, that's more good for crazy Joe does. I can't
even believe I'm bringing him up. But he recently did
a video and you know, the story on him, that's
that whole story is not worth getting into. But he
claims to be a Trump supporting all American liberty living conservative,
but he recently did a video saying, these people got

(47:21):
a lot of money, and it should be against a
lot to have all that money. It should be against
a lot of be a billionaire. And I'm like, wow,
Carl Marx said the same thing.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
You know, I don't know a person who got rich
without doing a lot of good. The beauty of a capitalist,
free market system is that for me to succeed, I
have to find a way to please a lot of
my fellow men and women. You know that if I
want to succeed in a free market, I got to
solve some pain issue out there that makes people want

(47:56):
to voluntarily give me money. And in the process, I'm
going to create a lot of jobs, put a lot
of people's kids through college, put a lot of people
in their homes and in their fancy cars. That rich people.
When they earn a dollar, it doesn't make society poorer
by a dollar. It makes society richer by like tens
of dollars because they earn that dollar by providing something

(48:19):
good and creating a lot of jobs. And this whole
mentality that, oh, you're rich, you don't deserve that money. Fine,
you take it away from billionaires, you take away the
incentive for them to do what they do, you'll have
fewer businesses, fewer jobs, fewer incomes, fewer good things in life.

Speaker 6 (48:35):
You know how many people that develop businesses that suffer
for like ten years sometimes longer, to make that a
successful business. They go without. They pay their employees. But
they're the ones going without. They're the ones skimping by.
They're the ones in a two bedroom house with six
members in their family trying to make ends meet just
to make that business successful. So when they finally strike
it and do make some money and live a good lifestyle,

(48:57):
they don't see that part. They don't see the struggle
they went through to get there. They just accuse him
of wrongdoing somehow, that's right.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
Got to backtrack on something you said, Nate, just a
little bit, because you said, you know those that got
you know, you don't get rich by not doing anything good.
But I don't know, I thought that, Uh, you couldn't
be a you couldn't be a millionaire or a billionaire
without being a criminal.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Well just what? And so in a free market you
have to do something good to get rich, but in
a corrupt political system you have to do some very
bad things to get rich. You know, how does Bernie
Sanders have four or five homes on the salary that
a senator has? It's because he's he's doing all sorts

(49:44):
of things. He's taking money from lobbyists, he's he's doing
insider trading or whatever, all of these congressmen and senators
who are multi millionaires. Uh, that's not what the salary supports.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
Oh, that was just wise investing, didn't you know that?

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Just why?

Speaker 5 (50:01):
Well, you know, and somebody who claims to be a socialist,
you know, he wrote that book and he made millions
off that book. Of course he steals the rest of
the money he has, but he did legitimately earn millions
off for writing that book. What did that make him?
I think that made him a capitalist? When that was it,

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he and his wife caught red handed.

Speaker 6 (50:24):
They were saphoning money out of grants or something going
to colleges or something about it, colleges of Vermont, and
they were saponing money off it.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
And don't you remember that.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Corruption is real. It happened, Yes, and even the Marxists
stumble upon capitalism. We were at a rally on the
capital steps and there was a Marxist tent there. We
went there and they oh, oh, Marxist tent. Oh there's
a copy of the Communist Manifesto? Can I have one
of those? And they said, yeah, ten bucks? And I
go what they're for sale? He's like, yeah, oh you've

(50:55):
discovered capitalism. That's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
Run with that nice. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
Also just we're almost out of time. But yeah, ad
during that no kings bs protesting, and much many of
the so called protesters were. They were hired by communist
companies and funded by George Soros and whatnot. But yeah,
I saw the in Boise they had they had the

(51:21):
tent with the communist hammer and sickle and talk talking
about it. So they're really they're they're not hiding it anymore.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
But well, well we'll take all the slings and arrows.
The media's against us, the leftists are against us, the
unions are against us, All the big bureaucrats are against us.
But they're the wind beneath our wings. We are grounded
to the to the to the foundation here with the
steel cable. The more they whine and complain gives us lift.
We have a lot of important work to do to

(51:50):
make freedom fly in Idaho, and we're working at it.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
Yes, So once again we have the website to streaming it.
Uh at the bottom there Idaho freedom dot org. Follow
you on x at Idaho Freedom and you have check
out the scorecards and see who's really working in your
best interest.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Awesome, you guys are great. Thank you for having me on.
It's been a pleasure.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
On tap for next week might be a pre recorded
show still that's yet to be determined if it's pre
recorded or not. But we're going to welcome back country
singer Glenn Baker, if you remember, we talked to him
earlier this year, so he's got some more stuff he's
going to share with us. Plus he's one of the

(52:39):
hosts here on Patriots Prayer Network. So we're going to
welcome him back next week. However, John, I will let
you know if we're gonna go live or if we
have to pre record on Sunday. So all right, Nate,
thank you so much. God bless you. And yeah, we'll
be keeping in touch because we got a lot of

(52:59):
work to and if you have somebody you want to
throw our way that you want us to talk to,
let me know.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Absolutely, be a pleasure to be on again. Someday. Maybe
we'll get you to the Capital for one of our
Capital Clarity events during the session. Be great to hear
from you.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
Oh boy, that'll be interesting indeed. All right, and ladies
and gentlemen, thank you very much for tuning into Patriot Confederation.
God save the Republic the United States of America. We
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