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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Every Patriot has an obligation to question authority. Those who
are honest are not concerned with your watchful vigilance, and
those with integrity are not concerned with your discernment. Every
American is obligated to voice their concerns and stand up
for their freedoms and liberties.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
One nation on.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Your God, indivisible with liberty and justice.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
For all, ladies and gentlemen. We are the men in
the arena. We are the Patriot Confederation.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We live back down from life. We're a feed Americans.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
All right, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Patriot Confederation for
what is the twenty first of October? And wow, this
is last week of me being fifty before I turned
fifty one. I'm your host, Bad Billy out of Twin Falls, Idaho,
joined as always by John Grovenor out of Nashauwa, New Hampshire.
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How's it going up there in that corner?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Going get up here, Billy? You know, I'm just so excited,
I can't stand myself. You know, they're knocking down the
east wing of the White House and going to build
a labyrinth ballroom for two hundred and fifty million dollars.
Left is losing the ever loving minds over the matter,
and I'm kind of digging on that alone. But you know,
it's supposed to be finished long before Trump's term is over.
So I'm kind of excited because as a as a
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fellow host on the pat on the Patriot Confederation, I
expect an invite to be one of the very first
guests there.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Well, you remember when Andrew Jackson held a great, big
party and boy, they I guess, I guess according to
what I read, it got so bad that they they
had to replace the carpet and everything because they made
such a mess there.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
So I don't I'm not that old. I didn't live
that long ago.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
But yeah, yeah, so it's not like they haven't had
parties at the White House before.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Oh yeah, oh god, yeah no, they've had the JFK.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Come on, JFK stocked the White House with a good
portion of Cuban cigars before slapping Castro with a t
and then the Cuban cigars were Team de Legal.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Say he's sanctioned yeah Cuba, Yeah, definitely. But yeah, this
Bartum thing sounds like it's gonna be pretty interesting feature
to the White House, maybe even long.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Overdue, maybe joining us this week. Of course, I want
to welcome back Sheriff Richard Mack to the show. Of course,
as I like to say, the man who took on
the Clintons and is still alive to tell us about it.
How you doing.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
That is one of the greatest miracles of my life.
And I love that line, and I love being with you,
and I love America, and I love my.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Wife absolutely absolutely, and you love God too.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
God, family and country. That's what it's about.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yes, yes, yes, So last last time we talked to
you was January, before the inauguration, of course, and you
laid out a lot of things, and we'll just recap
on some of the things you said back then. It's
like you said, I hope the inauguration is going to
be indoors because they're gunning for Trump and when and
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all that, and they they did exactly what you hoped for,
and you had to be felt pretty satisfied at least
on that note.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yes, And there were a few people who joined the
chorus in that and and so I think all of
them put together helped ted. Nugent was one of them.
In fact, he was invited to attend and he said no,
he actually refused to go. And he loves Trump probably
as much as anybody. And I was never invited to go,
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but I could have gone if I wanted to, but
especially if he was outdoors. There's plenty of room. But
I said, no, it's not, it's not. That's going to
be a security nightmare. That's what I said on your show,
and I said on about fifty others as well, So
it would have been a security nightmare. No one could
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have guaranteed the president's safety or his family, and we're
seeing that play out today. They I mean, they always
have great security around him, but there's still been problems
ever since then. So that's one of my biggest concerns
is the hate being promoted by left and they don't
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care who knows about it. And you know, the media
is not going to go after him, the voters aren't
going to go after him, so why not They're going
to keep doing it. So I'm really grateful that they
pull it in and they actually said that it was
two cold outdoors, which was a good excuse. Yes, perfect,
And you know, I would have been happy to have
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been there to help. Oh the beautiful little girl Carrie
Underwood seeing the national anthem a cappella. So she did great,
and I thought it was a really a good ceremony.
And I think Trump's been been doing a pretty good
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job since then. But I have a to do list
for President Trump, and I praise him a plus for
securing the border and a lot of things he's done
to create peace in the world. But d oge, if
it were to have any time of purpose and any
type of legitimacy, we have got to stop funding Plan
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Parenthood with taxpayer dollars. Yes, are paying for a non
government organization to commit murder, and that is absolutely absurd
that we're being forced under the color of law to
do that ization. Why don't they fund my organization? It
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would be wrong in moral and criminal, just as it
is with them eight hundred million dollars a year. Really,
you got to be kidnaping.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Can I ask how how do you figure it's on
constitutional or illegal under the color of law?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Very simple. They're not part of our government. They provide
no government service, and the people who funnel that money
of taxpayer dollars to them receive kickbacks from the same
money from Planned Pairhood so that they can help continue to.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
The revolving doors yeah, the revolving door. So basically, the
left funds Planned parenthood. Planned parenthood says, oh, here, let
us fund your campaign this year, and so they create
a revolving door with taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yep, correct, yeah, you know. And like many many, many
other things too, planned parenthood has abandoned its original purpose,
you know, the original purpose of why it was formed
in the first place. I don't know exactly when, but
teen pregnancy was on the rise, because of course we
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have irresponsible teenagers having sex unprotected, you know, and I
get it. I was a teenager, and I you know,
you know how teenage kids talk and all that, and
what girls are gonna get with it's all. It's like,
you're not going to stop them. So planned parenthood, you know,
was there to first off, they wanted to do what
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they could to discourage young couples from having sex. But
that's almost that's nearly impossible. And then two it's like, Okay,
if you're gonna do it, please use condoms, please use
birth control. And that was the original purpose of planned parenthood.
But then they got jumped onto the abortion and as
almost it's like, have all the unprotected sex you want
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and will take care of you exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That's abortion message. And not only that, but they also
sell body parts from.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
And they're not supposed to they do that, and.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
They've done it, and an undercover agent exposed it. And
who did they go after the undercover agent? They arrested him,
but not anybody from Planned Parenthood for actually doing it
and committing those crimes. So everything's so back bass awkwards.
It's not even money. It's horrible. And look, I'm not
talking about getting rid of abortion, because in my humble opinion,
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I don't believe that's ever going to happen. However, the
place we start with all of this is no taxpayer
dollars should go towards funding Planned Parenthood. It's a private
organization just like mine. I have one, and I might
be suing the federal government because of that equal protection
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under the law under the fourteenth Amendment. If they fund
Planned Parenthood, why aren't they funding me?
Speaker 5 (09:34):
That's issue. It's funny because somebody had commented on one
of Billy's channels, here's a dreamond fascist. When the shows
started calling us fascist, I'd like to point out that fascism,
the root of fascism is when government marories into business
and like you're talking about with planned parenthood, which the
left supports. I'd also like to point out the folks
that we keep getting called a racist being on the right,
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while yet we're defending against we're defending the innocence of
unborn children against those who wish to murder them, which
plant period caters to the majority of minorities, much of
black folks. So how are we racist? One we're defending that,
you know what, try to say, stop murdering your own babies.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
And just a side note here, that idiot does, along
with the rest of the idiots, don't even know the
true meaning of the word fascism, because if they did,
they'd know, they'd take a long look in the mirror
and see it, look at analyze how they're acting. But
that's another story for another time.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yeah, but uh, you know, I have.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Two other things to add to the list. Abolished abolish
the I R s, which President Trump has actually mentioned before,
and abolish the Federal Reserve. He's talking about firing a
couple of them, fire all of them, because first of all,
they have no legitimate constitutional foundation for existing in the
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first place. Article one, Section eight of the Constitution requires
Congress to coin money and regulate the value thereof, not
international banksters. It gives no permission for Congress to do that.
They are the ones that are supposed to control our
money and our money supply and regulate the value thereof.
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And in nineteen thirteen they turned it over to private banksters,
and all of that is illegal. And if we would
just for one year try to follow the constitution, just
give it one year, you know. But so anyway, that's
that's my to do list for Trump. I think it's
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time to turn and add this to his current list.
I know he's very busy, but when you look at
really the important things that are facing us as a
people and as a nation, of funding organizations that should
not be funded, buyer taxpayer dollars has got to rise
to the top of the list.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Now at the point.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
So how do you feel about these activist judges. I mean,
they're trying to block Trump left and right. Aren't they
a violation to their own oath? Aren't they a violation
to the US Constitution?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And only that? But Judge Hannah being arrested in Wisconsin
gave me hope that we're really finally going to arrest
real criminals. And that's the corrupt judges of this country,
of which there are thousands. Yes, time go please. If
we're going to go after corrupt public officials, which I'm
glad they're doing, John Bolton is one I would put
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on the list, but I would put hundreds of judges
before him.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
And how about the judge that I'd like to know,
I should say, judges that released de Carlos Brown what
fourteen times?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Any it murders an innocent young girl is sitting there,
minding her own business. Mind you, she's from Ukraine. She
wants to get away from the chaos over there, only
to come over to get getting the chaos over here.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And you know, the only thing, Billy, the only thing
we would have to do to get judges in line,
would be to remove all immunity from them. If they
make a mistake and that person goes and murder someone,
the judge should be held liable civilly, maybe criminally, but
definitely said I get to sue him because he was
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so stupid and what in the execution of his job.
That's all you would have to do is remove immunity
from judges. Why they have it in the first place
I'll never know.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yes, well, my goodness, we've already hit the first quarter.
It's going by really fast, and I have shortened up
the brakes. So we're going to go and take our
first break and we'll be back in just under two minutes.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back, joined by
Sheriff Richard Mack and just moving right along with this
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conversation too. Something else that uh, I want to bring
up is, uh, we talked about the FBI on almost
every occasion that you've been on the show, Sheriff Mac.
And last time you said, you know you you praised
Cash Petel's uh you know that the possibility of him
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becoming the director, and I agreed with you. I thought
he was a good choice. But just get your take.
I'm I'm rather disappointed in him, especially after awarding the
Medal of Bravery to the agents who were involved with
the shooting of La Voi Fennekum. I don't know what
say you on this?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
He awarded those agents?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yes, oh I know I did not hear that, Yeah
he did, or I don't. I you know it was
the osp who pulled the trigger on on Lavoy Fennicum,
But Yeah, the FBI agents who were there at in Burns.
Cash Battel awarded the Medal of Bravery to those agents.
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In fact, coming up here in a couple of weeks,
we're gonna be talking to Ryan Bundy about this too,
who was there when all of it went down.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, Ryan got shot, I.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Know, and he still got the lead in his shoulder
to this day.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I thought he was having it removed or something here recently,
but I'm not sure on that. But yeah, to my understanding,
cash Battel did so. He did, He did so kind
of quietly. It came out too, But this.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Is the first time I've heard of that that that
was very quiet. Why would he need to even resurrect
that problem an issue?
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Oh and uh, somebody stupid, somebody you're probably familiar with,
Brian Hyde. I'm sure you know him well. He he
talked with Jeannette about the whole situation. And of course
this is like pouring salt into their wounds.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It really is, and it's just it's it's unnecessary, it's
uncalled for. And not only that, but why don't you
go talk to have Cash go talk to President Trump?
Because he pardoned all the bundies and only that, but
the Bundies were found not guilty in a court of law.
I was there. I testified in Portland, Oregon, probably the
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most liberal jury poll ever in the in the anywhere
in the country, and this liberal leftist jury sided with
Amid Bundy. And then they were stuck in prison for
two years without any hearings or trials. And then they
had a trial in Las Vegas for what they did
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supposedly did in Bunkerville, Nevada. And the judge because the FBI,
here's cash, betail, why don't you award somebody some medals
of valor for this? The FBI had fabricated so much
evidence against the Bundyes that a corrupt judge herself, Gloria Navarro,
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dismissed all the charges against them and threw it out
with prejudice. And they've all gone back to living their lives.
And Clive Bundy is running that ranch. And this is
another key point to all of it. There used to
be fifty three ranchers in Clark County, very prolific, very profitable,
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doing well, and the federal government ran all of them
out of business except for the Bundyes. Because the Bundy
stood strong and not only did they stand against government
corruption to keep their business and to keep their livelihood
and to keep their family together, they also had they
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are the only ranchers left. And then the FBI got
up in helicopters and started machine gunning the cows they
couldn't bring back to a makeshift corral so that the
bundies couldn't have those cattle either, And where was PETA
and all these other groups animal rights groups raising us
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think about that? It used to be on YouTube. All
of that was on YouTube and showed these FBI agents
slaughtering these cattle, and so all of the corruption behind that.
If people want to know the truth, I'm more than
willing to talk about it, because this was absolute corruption
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at its zenith.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
You know, anytime it's there's corruption like this, you have
to you're always asking that question, just like you said,
where was PETA when that was happening. Of course, then
we have, as I prefer to just be blunt about it.
Men getting into women's sports, and where's the feminists on.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
That they aligned with that? That's the thing about People
like Gloria Steiner was pumping her fist in the air
going go transgenders go It's like, wait a minute, you
were rooting for women and women's rights and now you're
rooting against them.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And when was the last time, you know, in a
normal NBA game or normal college game, you'll probably see
about twenty dunks. When was the last time some one
of these superstar college basketball players or WNBA, when was
the last time one of them ever dunked in a game?
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I think it's happened once by the one of them
that's six 's eight. But they're not the same. Everybody
knows it. They're not the same. Okay, And I'm about
ready to get back in shape. I'm seventy two years old.
I'm about ready to get back in shape. Go to
the Phoenix Mercury tryouts. Tell him I identify as a woman,
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and they better make sure I make the team.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
And I did mean to ask this too, Just changing
the subject a little bit. But since you're in the
Phoenix area, did you attend the Charlie Kirk memorial?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
No, I was out of town. I don't know if
I would have gone anyway. I think I probably would have.
I had some family that went, but I don't know.
I had mixed feelings about it. I'm not mixed one
iota about what a shame and how sad his assassination was.
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I was on a show just like this when it happened,
and I was crying. All of us on the program,
including the host, we were all crying, and I was
supposed to be on another ten minutes, and then when
this happened, I was on another hour and a half.
But it was one of the saddest days of my life.
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I remember very well when JFK was assassinated and how
I was crying. As a little fifth grader in grade school.
I liked JFK, and I went out and bought I
wish I still had the records that I bought of
his famous speeches and other things, anything that had anything
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to do with him. I was buying it up and
asking my parents for another dollar so I could buy
something else of his. But Martin Luther King, I was
really shook up when he got killed all of them,
And I was probably more shook up when Ruby killed
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Oswald because it just seemed like the whole world was
falling apart. And I remember talking to my mom about it, saying,
has the world gone completely insane? Mom? And she's reminded
me of that a long time. For many years after that,
she reminded me of that, God Rest her soul. What
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a beautiful lady.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
But so.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It looked at the good people that were assassinated. Gandhi.
All he did was promote peace and fairness and fought
against corruption.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
And then.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
And Kennedy was all about peace in so many ways.
Martin Luther King all about peace in so many different ways.
And I quote him in my constitutional training for law enforcement.
And it's really sad how crazy the world has gotten it.
And you know, people say, now we're worse than the sixties.
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Yeah we are, we are, And the hate and the
political posturing is worse than it's ever been.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Well also, yeah, I know, Malcolm X was very militant
until he took that trip to the Middle East and
he came back, you know, with the totally different mindset
that Elijah Muhammad didn't like. So I'm pretty much blamed
the death of Malcolm X on Elijah Muhammad, whoever told
that one guy with a shot gun to go basically
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shoot him at point blank range. But something else too,
that you're bringing up, you know, is all the hate
and I've seen pictures from this clown show over the
over the past weekend, and of course, uh right in
Boise they had a tent there saying, are you a communist,
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We'll get organized. Well, that that's that. But then the
Denver Communists is much worse. In fact, you go to
their website, Denver Communists, it is so disturbing. Number one,
they have a sign that said Charlie Kirk had had
it coming. Another person wearing a T shirt saying make
assassin Nations great again. And so I went to the
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Dinner Communist website and one thing I mean that said
open borders and let them all in and talking about
ban all guns.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Oh, those type of people in the halls of Congress
and in our state legislatures. Oh, absolutely, the governor of
about six seven years ago, the governor of Virginia saying that, oh,
if a baby survives an attempted abortion, that they'll make
it comfortable.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Why they kill it?
Speaker 4 (24:40):
No, I didn't hear that.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
That was not a single Democrat that came out against that.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
They were talking about like New York State was talking
about after birth abortions is what they called them. I'm
sorry it's born, it's murder at that point in time.
But it's up to the doctor's discretion, not.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
That according to their standards, it was murdered, but they
still promoted it.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah. Yeah, that's sickening. That is absolutely sickening, you.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Know, for anyone, a school teacher or anyone to condone
and support what happened to Charlie Kirk because he didn't
agree with our political dogma. Really, you know, he never
had violence of any kind.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
My own next door neighbor. Now I'm getting personal here,
my own next door neighbor, and I don't care if
she hears me right now. But I wasn't there to
see it, or else I might have caused a scene.
My wife and neighbor from upstairs were down there talking
and she came out bumping her fist in the airline
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as if it was a good day the day Charlie
Kirk was killed. My and and she said he was
an evil man, he wanted to take away abortion whatever.
And my wife looked her in the eye and said,
you know, he was a he was a husband and
father and and and she looked her back in the
eye and said his kids are better off without him.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Yeah. Yeah, people didn't read into it and realize that
Charlie Kirk would debate anybody and treated anybody with kindness,
no matter how oppositional they worked towards him.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Yes, I watched a.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Lot of his stuff. Ever now and again he would
get a little sarcastic, but that was the extent of it.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
He still was very.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Respectful, you know. He would point out some of the
hypocrisy of some of the questions he got, but most
of the time he was very friendly and very professional.
And I actually disagreed with him on one issue, and
I would have liked to have debated him about legalization
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of marijuana. He was against it, and I'm totally for it.
It's just a matter of what government has the right
to do to me, you know, no, so but anyway
I would I would have liked to have debated him
on that one.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I'll just tell you real quick. And then we got
to go to break two. It's like, you know, I'm
I went to I'm from being for the legalization marijuana
to go into the middle road because some of this
stuff that's sold at dispensaries is ungodly potent and just
takes away your mind, and I'm like, there's something just
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not right about it.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I don't like it. I don't like it, and I
don't use it. I don't want anybody I don't want
anybody drinking either. I don't want anybody smoking cigarettes either.
But does government have the right to make them illegal?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Exactly?
Speaker 5 (27:34):
And then of course, at what point and on what regards?
So if somebody's using say when we're talking about drugs
per se, Okay, so marijuana is not necessarily a hard,
hard drug to take, but if people are doing LSD
or may well, he's probably not a good example angel
dust or heroin and stuff. It affects their moods and
stuff like that. So if they become a threat to society,
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then could you illegalize it?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
No? You know, if you're if you're drinking and driving,
go to jail. If you're smoking pot, go to If
you're taking prescription bills and you're driving, go to jail.
That's that's the same for all of them.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Yeah, well I agree in that regard.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Yeah, Okay, I'm sure you've heard the phrase drive high,
get a d U.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
I I've arrested people for driving high before.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Yes, before or after it was legalized before, I'm sure. Yeah,
I say in the nineteen nineties, you were sheriff, Yes,
I forgot.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
All right, well we're gonna go ahead and go to
our second break. Like I said, I've I've narrowed it down.
So with that said, we'll be back in about two minutes.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back in. If
you were watching us on CUE broadcasting, thank you very much.
And my wife and I are looking more and more
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into that and uh uh still trying to get her
convinced that it's going to be a better thing than
what we have because it's definitely money saver, so definitely
uh look, getting to see what we can do there. Anyway,
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once again we're joined by Sheriff Richard Mack and just
moving moving on. Of course, now we get to the
one thing that I wanted to talk about. Uh just uh,
I don't want to spend too much time on, but
we we had that unfortunate situation in Pocatello that that
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was this last April and horrible situation. A seventeen year
old kid with cerebral palsy and and on the on
the high spectrum of autism was gunned down by Pocatello
police officers and you know, uh, looking at looking at
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the at the videos there and the bodycam footage. I
was disgusted by what I saw. But my wife has
come to this conclusion that she doesn't trust police officers
anymore whatsoever, because her and I do have an an
autistic special needs kid. He's more than not just autistic,
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he's also got epilepsy the worst I've ever seen, which
has caused brain damage, and and he and he has
he has violent behavioral problems. And she's you know, now,
she's afraid of the police officers in this matter. And
as a matter of fact, one morning, uh, I'm listening
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to Sam Bushman and that the commercial starts rolling for
the CSPOA, and she's like, oh, no, I don't support
this organization. And I'm like, why CSPOA is is for
people like you, basically to help police the police. I
explained it to her, Well, what say you on the
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situation and what would you say to try to put
her fears aties?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
These are all very isolated incidents, that's the main thing. Also,
I know police. I worked with police for twenty years
full time. I've worked with him since then, so I
have about forty years working with police and sheriffs and
law enforcement. I've been an expert witness in several shootings.
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I'm not an expert in ballistics at all, but I
have been hired a few times to review police footage
and videos of shootings. One was in Tucson, Arizona, where
the family there really believed and the CSPA and my
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outlook and view of law enforcement and the SWAT team
was going in the front door of this former marine
and they didn't announce themselves. They just busted in. And
this former marine happened to have his rifle next right
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next to him, and he grabbed it. They saw him
and this they never told him to put it down.
They just started firing. The ridiculous part of this is
one of the SWAT team members did not even was
not even at the door yet where all the shooting
was going on, and he grabbed his forty four and
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he started firing into the into the house, indiscriminately, over
the shoulders and around the faces of other officers who
were already shooting this innocent man. And instead of making
his own determination that what was happening was legit, he
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just wanted to join in the fund. And that's the
way it made it look. Now, I don't believe any
officer wakes up in the morning and says, boy, I
hope we have a shooting today. I hope I get
to kill somebody today. That doesn't happen. Most shootings that
cops are involved in that end up killing a would
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be suspect. Fifty percent of them quit law enforcement altogether.
It cost them their career and their livelihood. They go
on to something else, but it's really hard to live
that down no matter where they go. So another incident
similar in orm Utah, there were two officers there and
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a kid had a comb and it was a shining
comb and he put it down. He didn't. One officer
started shooting, and so the other off, oh good, you know,
we get to start shooting, and he's joined in the shooting.
And I sailed both of those incidents where officers just
seem to want to join in without making an independent
(34:14):
determination that lethal force was being necessary. So do officers
shy away from a shooting. Not nearly enough, in my view.
I never Most officers go through the careers, And I
don't care where you are Los Angeles, New York, or
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Graham County, Arizona, where I was sheriff. Most officers never
end up in a shooting during their entire career, so
twenty to twenty five years, most officers never get involved.
Most officers have a very close call, though, and I
had two of those, and one incident with that I
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had with a man that was on math and waving
his gun all around a from his front door. He
never left his home, he never left the threshold and
I told the deputy be very careful here. I wasn't
going to tell the sheriff the deputy not to shoot,
but we had good cover, and I said, let's really
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give him benefit of the doubt because every two or
three minutes, maybe more than that, his ten year old
son was standing right next to him, and so the
kid was actually in a crossfire situation with us. So
I wanted to be very careful about that. He had
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not fired a single shot yet, and if he had fired,
I know we would have killed that man, but he
never did. We finally talked him into putting the gun
down and we arrested him. So with this incident that
I saw that you were referring to in pocat, it
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would be really easy for me to hang these police officers.
But I also couldn't hear everything going on? Was the
family screaming at the officers and to let them know
that this kid was very handicapped, that would have been
(36:26):
key to it. If the officers had known that, they
should have told the dispatchers to tell him he's handicapped.
That's another thing I would like to see. Did the
dispatch ever tell him? And did the people calling tell
him that? And when the officers arrived, why wasn't the
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family yelling at the officers he's sick, he's demented, he's handicapped,
he's autistic, he doesn't speak whatever, he doesn't speak English.
All of that should have been shouted out. And as
a matter of fact, I know my wife would have
stood in front of my son, whether he had a
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gun or a knife, she would have stood in front
of him. It looked like at one point somebody tried
to do that, but I'm not certain about that. But
I would like to get all the investigation done and
then give your wife my conclusion after that, and I
would like to see that I would like to have
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the sound enhanced where that's a lot better. One other
key point in shoot don't shoot training, this used to
be very prevalent that a young boy, let's say like
a thirteen fourteen year old boy, is charging at the
officer and he's got his hand behind his back. And
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this is the officer that's there on a kid with
a gun, a kid with Levi's and a T shirt
has a gun at a park, and you're the officer
and you're viewing the kid. You're the camera, the officers
the camera, and the officer is yelling at this kid,
charge you right at him. Stop, stop where you are.
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I'm gonna shoot. I'm gonna shoot. Stop. Freeze, I'm a
police officer. Freeze. And the guy, the kid has a
gun or he does. The officer can't see whether he
has a gun or not. And then the officer the
kid is right up in front of the officer, maybe
two or three feet, and he suddenly pulls out a
(38:37):
card that says he's deaf and dumb, and aren't you
grateful that you did not pull the trigger on that
kid that did not have a gun and who is
deaf and dumb. Exactly, I'm supposed to shoot him and
I didn't. In that training, many officers did. And we're
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not supposed to shoot. And so these these officers that
shoot somebody because they lunch for the glove compartment to
get their driver's license or registration. No, no, no, no wrong.
And so one in Mason was a kid that was
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trying to pull up his pants and they shot him,
killed him. So they're just to me, there just needs
to be some better training. And the one thing I
believe that every peace officer needs to be trained in
is how do we protect the civil rights of the
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people that we work for. Yeah, that's what we teach.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Yeah, but now I want to I'd like to step
back a second, because what you're saying was very logical
and reasonable, and I think maybe regarding what like say,
folks in Black Lives Matter had concerns about, is maybe
we need to address something to do with police training.
You said a lot of people had shut the deaf
and dumb card kid, and so I'm wondering did they
pass where they did they move on to become police officers,
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or were they re evaluated? How what happens in that regard?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Look it you get, you get to fail about Uh,
if you get eighty percent on any test, you pass, Okay, So.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Eighty percent is usually a passing grade, right, Yeah, I mean,
you know.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
It is, it's all very academic in a lot of ways,
but for making one mistake like that, especially when it's
kind of a tense situation where you expect the officers
going to shoot, but no, you're not supposed to.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
Now, I see a lot, a lot of violence in
the United States. If you take cities like Chicago, I mean,
it's shootings every day. It's nuts. I mean, we have crime.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Now. Governor Prisker says there's no problems, and yeah, two
we all know.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Uh, but even New York City. You take a lot
of places, even some rural areas in this country, we've
we developed a lot of crime because drug dealers and
stuff found. Hey, rural areas have less law enforcement and
less monetary means to enforce laws. So let's go there
and overwhelm them. So law enforcement officers have to deal
with a lot of crime, They have to deal with
a lot of violence, and they see on a daily basis.
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A lot of people don't understand how much they deal
with and it's got to be really hard on them.
But these these guys are going to be a little
on the edge because they don't know. You know, you've
heard it before from from any police chiefs or sheriffs saying,
my officers have a rate to go home every night,
not not in a body home and.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Behavior.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
But what I'm getting at is, when you see a lot,
you become very reactionary, don't you.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Well, of course, yeah, of course you do. And you know,
I'm grateful that I worked as a as a peace
officer and as a sheriff in a relative quiet and
peaceful areas, low crime areas, but it still happens. And
you know, we've had we when I was sheriff, we
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had some real scary incidents, you know, where a one
of our arrestees was being transferred from our jail to
another one and he got a hold of one of
the transporting officer's gun and he started shooting at him,
and praise god, neither one of them got shot. But
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so yeah, there's I mean, there's crazy things out there,
and these officers are worried about it. But I do
not like, do whatever you have to do to go
home tonight, because if I shot a twelve year old
kid with a toy gun that happened in Cleveland, Ohio
about twenty years ago, I couldn't live with that I'm sorry.
I would rather go down than to have that twelve
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year old go down and my children and my wife notwithstanding.
I'm sorry, but I don't want to be taught that
and brain washed into believing the most important thing is
that I go home, but some other kid gets it from.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Me, because that's counterproductive too. You need That's what we
go back to. Police training is really important, but maybe
even advanced police training has for somebody's on the job
of these areas, maybe they do things that may to
be addressed.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
I've never been.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
Law enforcement, so I can't I can't assess how it
really goes for folks in law enforcement, but it seems
to me there should be something a little bit more
to address some of these as you're describing.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Anybody can dotate go take a shoot don't Shoot class
and you're shooting into a screen that is live and
a lot of a lot of gun shops have those
available all over the country. Shoot don't Shoot and it's
excellent training and everybody should go through it.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
So six six hour has it right there in Kingston,
New Hampshire. They have all sorts of training courses.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, yes, everybody should take it.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Yes, Well, anyway, we're winding down to the last ten minute,
so we're gonna take our final break, which is just
about a minute and a half, and we'll be back
to wrap things up. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we
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are back end, just getting ready to wrap things up
here with Sheriff Richard Mack Now Sheriff Mac. I want
to show you some things here that I have. Of course,
I got this. This is solid silver. That that's this.
This was from g Edward Griffin. Uh. I got this
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this trump gold. I don't know what you call it
when it's shaped like this. Then there's this with Charlie Kirk.
But from what I understand you you have something I
can add to this collection.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Oh man, Yes, I don't have one in front of me. Sorry,
let me see you. But yes we knew. In fact,
we have the CSPOA Challenge coins and they're beautiful. They're wonderful,
and anybody who donates one hundred dollars to CSPOA, I
will mail you one of those challenge coins. They're just
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they're the same that every sheriff's office and police department
have in this country. And it's going to be a
collector's item and we'd love to have everybody get yours
while you can, and so any again, any one hundred
dollars donation, I'll pay the shipping and we'll get it
(45:38):
out to you and it comes priority mail, so it's
tracked and it'll get to you. And so the CSPOA
Constitutional Shriffes and Peace Officers Association challenge coin and they're
not inexpensive. Let me tell you, they're really nice, and
we'll get that out to you. Again. You can make
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any donation you want at CSPOA dot org. We're very
busy trying to get a training conference and seminar in
Washington State to help protect the sheriffs there from utter
destruction by the state by their own state. The governor
and legislature there in Washington is destroying the office of
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sheriff all across the state and we're going there to
defend the sheriffs and let the public officials know that
are part of that, that they are out of line.
So we need the donations. We need everybody to get
a challenge coins, and my wife and I will send
you that c SPOA challenge coin and when you get it,
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you'll see how much you're absolutely going to love it.
You'll probably order some more.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
It's an attractive looking coin. Look at it on your website.
You know it's got the emergent on it's a CSPOA
Constitutional Sheriffs Police Officers Association. There's a video that people
can see as well. I should the link with Billy
if he wants to share it with his listening audience.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yes, thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
Yes, yes, And of course we got CSPOA going down
in the you see it in the ticker there along
with the X handle and of course the sub stack
to where you'll find this archive and every other archive
which includes there are three other shows we've had with
(47:31):
Sheriff Max, so please feel free to dig into the
archives check them all out. I'm one of my favorite
shows that we've had was the day that we had
you and Dan wass On. I mean, like, and I'll
say again, two of the best Second Amendment advocates that
I think I've ever talked to in my life. Now
(47:54):
I could have gone to the to the gun conference
by the Second Amendment. Uh uh yeah, now if I
they slipped my mind. But they were in Salt Lake
City a couple of weeks ago, but uh I skipped
on them just so I could go to Glenita's backyard
batch again. So that ye, yeah, and and this this
(48:19):
time they had they had tacos this last go around.
But yeah, I still still remember that night. Yeah, you
were there and you you told those amazing stories and
addressed the crowd. But which brings brings me to my
next question. Are there any upcoming events that you will
be speaking at?
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Or well? I just did one in Michigan and that
really went great, and then we're planning one in Elko,
Nevada on November seventh. Oh really if you want to
make Elko.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
Yeah, well, well, I mean I'm not. I'm very close
of course in the Nevada border. And then my mother
happens to live in Wells.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Oh yes, well yeah, what would love to have you
anybody else? Bring your wife? I'd like to meet her. Yeah,
tell her that I plan to discuss this entire incident
with her and maybe she and I can have a
good little talk while you're there.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
Yes, yes, absolutely, So that's November seventh, again.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
November seventh, and it's at the Elko I think County
Commissioners Chambers. But I'm doing the flyer and I'll get
that out to you.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Oh, absolutely absolutely. Plus I'm also for the past year,
and I should have addressed this to you a long
time ago, but I've been having trouble with my CSPOA
membership where it just quit take my card and I
lost my membership. I got money my card, but it
wouldn't accept it.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
I don't know why I could have Stephanie get ahold
of you, but so email me on that. Sheriff mac
at hotmail email me that and I'll make sure that
Stephanie gets ahold of you and takes care of that
for you, or maybe my wife will one or the other.
Speaker 4 (50:16):
Yes, yes, and you're You're on at least every Tuesday
morning with with Sam Bushman if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, if I'm not traveling and had another meeting, I'm
on with him. And in fact, we were supposed to
be on this morning, but he was traveling and so
the show didn't happen this morning.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
But yeah, yeah, I can't remember where he said he
was going. Yeah, he hasn't had a show for the
last few days. He's been running replays right, Yeah, now
he's been he's been amazing for the cspo A as well.
But yes, it's always a pleasure talking to you here
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on Patriot Confederation, and sometimes it just feels like an
hour is not long enough to cover everything we want to.
But we covered a great deal I think we did
today and I you know, I felt like, definitely I
wanted to get your take on the situation in Pocatello,
and I think you gave me a very good answers
and and uh, in fact, I was it was on
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my mind to email you shortly after that happened, but
it just kept slipping my mind then of course.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
Uh uh.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
You know, some of some of your colleagues asked me
to have you on the show again, and I said,
I'll have I'll have Richard on my show anytime.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Well good, Well, I want all your listeners to realize
there's not very many peaceful and effective solutions left and
c SPO A dot org is one of them. And
there's not very many. Uh, you can count them all
on two or three fingers.
Speaker 5 (51:55):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
And so become a part of the solution. Become a
part of the solution to take America back, and that's
both peaceful and effective, and that's the way we want it.
It's a what Charlie Kirk said, a return to our
foundation of God, family, and country. We've got to put
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the Constitution back as the supreme law of the land.
It's got to be at once again our foundation and
base and folks. If we do that, there's hope for America.
And that's what you'll get from CSPOA, legitimate hope.
Speaker 4 (52:34):
And let us not forget too. I mean, I don't
want to throw away the word democracy as much as
I'm sick of it, but we use democracy. We are
not a democracy. Let's get that straight.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Good play.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
Yeah, I mean, because the democracy is important, but it's
not what we are. Correct exactly. Well, on tap for
next week is gonna be very interesting, John. We've got
Gonzalo Duran who's running for office in the Bronx and
he wants he wants to make the Bronx great again.
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So be interest.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
Northeastern over here, all right, we've got on this side
of the country. Now.
Speaker 4 (53:21):
I don't talked to anybody who's really involved in any
political office in the in the New York Greater New
York metropolitan area, So be awesome, he has to say, absolutely,
Sheriff Mac, It's always a pleasure having you here on
the show. God bless you. And about November.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Two, well, let's do it all right. Well, uh, email
me and I'll email you back to flyers, so we'll
talk soon.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
Brother absolutely and ladies and gentlemen. God save the Republic
of the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
We never back down from Bay.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
We're runna feeded Americans.
Every Patriot has an obligation to question authority. Those who
are honest are not concerned with your watchful vigilance, and
those with integrity are not concerned with your discernment. Every
American is obligated to voice their concerns and stand up
for their freedoms and liberties.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
One nation on.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Your God, indivisible with liberty and justice.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
For all, ladies and gentlemen. We are the men in
the arena. We are the Patriot Confederation.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We live back down from life. We're a feed Americans.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
All right, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Patriot Confederation for
what is the twenty first of October? And wow, this
is last week of me being fifty before I turned
fifty one. I'm your host, Bad Billy out of Twin Falls, Idaho,
joined as always by John Grovenor out of Nashauwa, New Hampshire.
(01:22):
How's it going up there in that corner?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Going get up here, Billy? You know, I'm just so excited,
I can't stand myself. You know, they're knocking down the
east wing of the White House and going to build
a labyrinth ballroom for two hundred and fifty million dollars.
Left is losing the ever loving minds over the matter,
and I'm kind of digging on that alone. But you know,
it's supposed to be finished long before Trump's term is over.
So I'm kind of excited because as a as a
(01:46):
fellow host on the pat on the Patriot Confederation, I
expect an invite to be one of the very first
guests there.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Well, you remember when Andrew Jackson held a great, big
party and boy, they I guess, I guess according to
what I read, it got so bad that they they
had to replace the carpet and everything because they made
such a mess there.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
So I don't I'm not that old. I didn't live
that long ago.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
But yeah, yeah, so it's not like they haven't had
parties at the White House before.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Oh yeah, oh god, yeah no, they've had the JFK.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Come on, JFK stocked the White House with a good
portion of Cuban cigars before slapping Castro with a t
and then the Cuban cigars were Team de Legal.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Say he's sanctioned yeah Cuba, Yeah, definitely. But yeah, this
Bartum thing sounds like it's gonna be pretty interesting feature
to the White House, maybe even long.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Overdue, maybe joining us this week. Of course, I want
to welcome back Sheriff Richard Mack to the show. Of course,
as I like to say, the man who took on
the Clintons and is still alive to tell us about it.
How you doing.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
That is one of the greatest miracles of my life.
And I love that line, and I love being with you,
and I love America, and I love my.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Wife absolutely absolutely, and you love God too.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
God, family and country. That's what it's about.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yes, yes, yes, So last last time we talked to
you was January, before the inauguration, of course, and you
laid out a lot of things, and we'll just recap
on some of the things you said back then. It's
like you said, I hope the inauguration is going to
be indoors because they're gunning for Trump and when and
(03:46):
all that, and they they did exactly what you hoped for,
and you had to be felt pretty satisfied at least
on that note.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yes, And there were a few people who joined the
chorus in that and and so I think all of
them put together helped ted. Nugent was one of them.
In fact, he was invited to attend and he said no,
he actually refused to go. And he loves Trump probably
as much as anybody. And I was never invited to go,
(04:16):
but I could have gone if I wanted to, but
especially if he was outdoors. There's plenty of room. But
I said, no, it's not, it's not. That's going to
be a security nightmare. That's what I said on your show,
and I said on about fifty others as well, So
it would have been a security nightmare. No one could
(04:38):
have guaranteed the president's safety or his family, and we're
seeing that play out today. They I mean, they always
have great security around him, but there's still been problems
ever since then. So that's one of my biggest concerns
is the hate being promoted by left and they don't
(05:02):
care who knows about it. And you know, the media
is not going to go after him, the voters aren't
going to go after him, so why not They're going
to keep doing it. So I'm really grateful that they
pull it in and they actually said that it was
two cold outdoors, which was a good excuse. Yes, perfect,
And you know, I would have been happy to have
(05:23):
been there to help. Oh the beautiful little girl Carrie
Underwood seeing the national anthem a cappella. So she did great,
and I thought it was a really a good ceremony.
And I think Trump's been been doing a pretty good
(05:44):
job since then. But I have a to do list
for President Trump, and I praise him a plus for
securing the border and a lot of things he's done
to create peace in the world. But d oge, if
it were to have any time of purpose and any
type of legitimacy, we have got to stop funding Plan
(06:07):
Parenthood with taxpayer dollars. Yes, are paying for a non
government organization to commit murder, and that is absolutely absurd
that we're being forced under the color of law to
do that ization. Why don't they fund my organization? It
(06:31):
would be wrong in moral and criminal, just as it
is with them eight hundred million dollars a year. Really,
you got to be kidnaping.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Can I ask how how do you figure it's on
constitutional or illegal under the color of law?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Very simple. They're not part of our government. They provide
no government service, and the people who funnel that money
of taxpayer dollars to them receive kickbacks from the same
money from Planned Pairhood so that they can help continue to.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
The revolving doors yeah, the revolving door. So basically, the
left funds Planned parenthood. Planned parenthood says, oh, here, let
us fund your campaign this year, and so they create
a revolving door with taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yep, correct, yeah, you know. And like many many, many
other things too, planned parenthood has abandoned its original purpose,
you know, the original purpose of why it was formed
in the first place. I don't know exactly when, but
teen pregnancy was on the rise, because of course we
(07:45):
have irresponsible teenagers having sex unprotected, you know, and I
get it. I was a teenager, and I you know,
you know how teenage kids talk and all that, and
what girls are gonna get with it's all. It's like,
you're not going to stop them. So planned parenthood, you know,
was there to first off, they wanted to do what
(08:06):
they could to discourage young couples from having sex. But
that's almost that's nearly impossible. And then two it's like, Okay,
if you're gonna do it, please use condoms, please use
birth control. And that was the original purpose of planned parenthood.
But then they got jumped onto the abortion and as
almost it's like, have all the unprotected sex you want
(08:29):
and will take care of you exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That's abortion message. And not only that, but they also
sell body parts from.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
And they're not supposed to they do that, and.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
They've done it, and an undercover agent exposed it. And
who did they go after the undercover agent? They arrested him,
but not anybody from Planned Parenthood for actually doing it
and committing those crimes. So everything's so back bass awkwards.
It's not even money. It's horrible. And look, I'm not
talking about getting rid of abortion, because in my humble opinion,
(09:06):
I don't believe that's ever going to happen. However, the
place we start with all of this is no taxpayer
dollars should go towards funding Planned Parenthood. It's a private
organization just like mine. I have one, and I might
be suing the federal government because of that equal protection
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under the law under the fourteenth Amendment. If they fund
Planned Parenthood, why aren't they funding me?
Speaker 5 (09:34):
That's issue. It's funny because somebody had commented on one
of Billy's channels, here's a dreamond fascist. When the shows
started calling us fascist, I'd like to point out that fascism,
the root of fascism is when government marories into business
and like you're talking about with planned parenthood, which the
left supports. I'd also like to point out the folks
that we keep getting called a racist being on the right,
(09:57):
while yet we're defending against we're defending the innocence of
unborn children against those who wish to murder them, which
plant period caters to the majority of minorities, much of
black folks. So how are we racist? One we're defending that,
you know what, try to say, stop murdering your own babies.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
And just a side note here, that idiot does, along
with the rest of the idiots, don't even know the
true meaning of the word fascism, because if they did,
they'd know, they'd take a long look in the mirror
and see it, look at analyze how they're acting. But
that's another story for another time.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yeah, but uh, you know, I have.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Two other things to add to the list. Abolished abolish
the I R s, which President Trump has actually mentioned before,
and abolish the Federal Reserve. He's talking about firing a
couple of them, fire all of them, because first of all,
they have no legitimate constitutional foundation for existing in the
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first place. Article one, Section eight of the Constitution requires
Congress to coin money and regulate the value thereof, not
international banksters. It gives no permission for Congress to do that.
They are the ones that are supposed to control our
money and our money supply and regulate the value thereof.
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And in nineteen thirteen they turned it over to private banksters,
and all of that is illegal. And if we would
just for one year try to follow the constitution, just
give it one year, you know. But so anyway, that's
that's my to do list for Trump. I think it's
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time to turn and add this to his current list.
I know he's very busy, but when you look at
really the important things that are facing us as a
people and as a nation, of funding organizations that should
not be funded, buyer taxpayer dollars has got to rise
to the top of the list.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Now at the point.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
So how do you feel about these activist judges. I mean,
they're trying to block Trump left and right. Aren't they
a violation to their own oath? Aren't they a violation
to the US Constitution?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And only that? But Judge Hannah being arrested in Wisconsin
gave me hope that we're really finally going to arrest
real criminals. And that's the corrupt judges of this country,
of which there are thousands. Yes, time go please. If
we're going to go after corrupt public officials, which I'm
glad they're doing, John Bolton is one I would put
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on the list, but I would put hundreds of judges
before him.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
And how about the judge that I'd like to know,
I should say, judges that released de Carlos Brown what
fourteen times?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Any it murders an innocent young girl is sitting there,
minding her own business. Mind you, she's from Ukraine. She
wants to get away from the chaos over there, only
to come over to get getting the chaos over here.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And you know, the only thing, Billy, the only thing
we would have to do to get judges in line,
would be to remove all immunity from them. If they
make a mistake and that person goes and murder someone,
the judge should be held liable civilly, maybe criminally, but
definitely said I get to sue him because he was
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so stupid and what in the execution of his job.
That's all you would have to do is remove immunity
from judges. Why they have it in the first place
I'll never know.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yes, well, my goodness, we've already hit the first quarter.
It's going by really fast, and I have shortened up
the brakes. So we're going to go and take our
first break and we'll be back in just under two minutes.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back, joined by
Sheriff Richard Mack and just moving right along with this
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conversation too. Something else that uh, I want to bring
up is, uh, we talked about the FBI on almost
every occasion that you've been on the show, Sheriff Mac.
And last time you said, you know you you praised
Cash Petel's uh you know that the possibility of him
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becoming the director, and I agreed with you. I thought
he was a good choice. But just get your take.
I'm I'm rather disappointed in him, especially after awarding the
Medal of Bravery to the agents who were involved with
the shooting of La Voi Fennekum. I don't know what
say you on this?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
He awarded those agents?
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yes, oh I know I did not hear that, Yeah
he did, or I don't. I you know it was
the osp who pulled the trigger on on Lavoy Fennicum,
But Yeah, the FBI agents who were there at in Burns.
Cash Battel awarded the Medal of Bravery to those agents.
(15:17):
In fact, coming up here in a couple of weeks,
we're gonna be talking to Ryan Bundy about this too,
who was there when all of it went down.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, Ryan got shot, I.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Know, and he still got the lead in his shoulder
to this day.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I thought he was having it removed or something here recently,
but I'm not sure on that. But yeah, to my understanding,
cash Battel did so. He did, He did so kind
of quietly. It came out too, But this.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Is the first time I've heard of that that that
was very quiet. Why would he need to even resurrect
that problem an issue?
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Oh and uh, somebody stupid, somebody you're probably familiar with,
Brian Hyde. I'm sure you know him well. He he
talked with Jeannette about the whole situation. And of course
this is like pouring salt into their wounds.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It really is, and it's just it's it's unnecessary, it's
uncalled for. And not only that, but why don't you
go talk to have Cash go talk to President Trump?
Because he pardoned all the bundies and only that, but
the Bundies were found not guilty in a court of law.
I was there. I testified in Portland, Oregon, probably the
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most liberal jury poll ever in the in the anywhere
in the country, and this liberal leftist jury sided with
Amid Bundy. And then they were stuck in prison for
two years without any hearings or trials. And then they
had a trial in Las Vegas for what they did
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supposedly did in Bunkerville, Nevada. And the judge because the FBI,
here's cash, betail, why don't you award somebody some medals
of valor for this? The FBI had fabricated so much
evidence against the Bundyes that a corrupt judge herself, Gloria Navarro,
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dismissed all the charges against them and threw it out
with prejudice. And they've all gone back to living their lives.
And Clive Bundy is running that ranch. And this is
another key point to all of it. There used to
be fifty three ranchers in Clark County, very prolific, very profitable,
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doing well, and the federal government ran all of them
out of business except for the Bundyes. Because the Bundy
stood strong and not only did they stand against government
corruption to keep their business and to keep their livelihood
and to keep their family together, they also had they
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are the only ranchers left. And then the FBI got
up in helicopters and started machine gunning the cows they
couldn't bring back to a makeshift corral so that the
bundies couldn't have those cattle either, And where was PETA
and all these other groups animal rights groups raising us
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think about that? It used to be on YouTube. All
of that was on YouTube and showed these FBI agents
slaughtering these cattle, and so all of the corruption behind that.
If people want to know the truth, I'm more than
willing to talk about it, because this was absolute corruption
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at its zenith.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
You know, anytime it's there's corruption like this, you have
to you're always asking that question, just like you said,
where was PETA when that was happening. Of course, then
we have, as I prefer to just be blunt about it.
Men getting into women's sports, and where's the feminists on.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
That they aligned with that? That's the thing about People
like Gloria Steiner was pumping her fist in the air
going go transgenders go It's like, wait a minute, you
were rooting for women and women's rights and now you're
rooting against them.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And when was the last time, you know, in a
normal NBA game or normal college game, you'll probably see
about twenty dunks. When was the last time some one
of these superstar college basketball players or WNBA, when was
the last time one of them ever dunked in a game?
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I think it's happened once by the one of them
that's six 's eight. But they're not the same. Everybody
knows it. They're not the same. Okay, And I'm about
ready to get back in shape. I'm seventy two years old.
I'm about ready to get back in shape. Go to
the Phoenix Mercury tryouts. Tell him I identify as a woman,
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and they better make sure I make the team.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
And I did mean to ask this too, Just changing
the subject a little bit. But since you're in the
Phoenix area, did you attend the Charlie Kirk memorial?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
No, I was out of town. I don't know if
I would have gone anyway. I think I probably would have.
I had some family that went, but I don't know.
I had mixed feelings about it. I'm not mixed one
iota about what a shame and how sad his assassination was.
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I was on a show just like this when it happened,
and I was crying. All of us on the program,
including the host, we were all crying, and I was
supposed to be on another ten minutes, and then when
this happened, I was on another hour and a half.
But it was one of the saddest days of my life.
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I remember very well when JFK was assassinated and how
I was crying. As a little fifth grader in grade school.
I liked JFK, and I went out and bought I
wish I still had the records that I bought of
his famous speeches and other things, anything that had anything
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to do with him. I was buying it up and
asking my parents for another dollar so I could buy
something else of his. But Martin Luther King, I was
really shook up when he got killed all of them,
And I was probably more shook up when Ruby killed
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Oswald because it just seemed like the whole world was
falling apart. And I remember talking to my mom about it, saying,
has the world gone completely insane? Mom? And she's reminded
me of that a long time. For many years after that,
she reminded me of that, God Rest her soul. What
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a beautiful lady.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
But so.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It looked at the good people that were assassinated. Gandhi.
All he did was promote peace and fairness and fought
against corruption.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
And then.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
And Kennedy was all about peace in so many ways.
Martin Luther King all about peace in so many different ways.
And I quote him in my constitutional training for law enforcement.
And it's really sad how crazy the world has gotten it.
And you know, people say, now we're worse than the sixties.
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Yeah we are, we are, And the hate and the
political posturing is worse than it's ever been.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Well also, yeah, I know, Malcolm X was very militant
until he took that trip to the Middle East and
he came back, you know, with the totally different mindset
that Elijah Muhammad didn't like. So I'm pretty much blamed
the death of Malcolm X on Elijah Muhammad, whoever told
that one guy with a shot gun to go basically
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shoot him at point blank range. But something else too,
that you're bringing up, you know, is all the hate
and I've seen pictures from this clown show over the
over the past weekend, and of course, uh right in
Boise they had a tent there saying, are you a communist,
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We'll get organized. Well, that that's that. But then the
Denver Communists is much worse. In fact, you go to
their website, Denver Communists, it is so disturbing. Number one,
they have a sign that said Charlie Kirk had had
it coming. Another person wearing a T shirt saying make
assassin Nations great again. And so I went to the
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Dinner Communist website and one thing I mean that said
open borders and let them all in and talking about
ban all guns.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Oh, those type of people in the halls of Congress
and in our state legislatures. Oh, absolutely, the governor of
about six seven years ago, the governor of Virginia saying that, oh,
if a baby survives an attempted abortion, that they'll make
it comfortable.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Why they kill it?
Speaker 4 (24:40):
No, I didn't hear that.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
That was not a single Democrat that came out against that.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
They were talking about like New York State was talking
about after birth abortions is what they called them. I'm
sorry it's born, it's murder at that point in time.
But it's up to the doctor's discretion, not.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
That according to their standards, it was murdered, but they
still promoted it.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah. Yeah, that's sickening. That is absolutely sickening, you.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Know, for anyone, a school teacher or anyone to condone
and support what happened to Charlie Kirk because he didn't
agree with our political dogma. Really, you know, he never
had violence of any kind.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
My own next door neighbor. Now I'm getting personal here,
my own next door neighbor, and I don't care if
she hears me right now. But I wasn't there to
see it, or else I might have caused a scene.
My wife and neighbor from upstairs were down there talking
and she came out bumping her fist in the airline
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as if it was a good day the day Charlie
Kirk was killed. My and and she said he was
an evil man, he wanted to take away abortion whatever.
And my wife looked her in the eye and said,
you know, he was a he was a husband and
father and and and she looked her back in the
eye and said his kids are better off without him.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Yeah. Yeah, people didn't read into it and realize that
Charlie Kirk would debate anybody and treated anybody with kindness,
no matter how oppositional they worked towards him.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Yes, I watched a.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Lot of his stuff. Ever now and again he would
get a little sarcastic, but that was the extent of it.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
He still was very.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Respectful, you know. He would point out some of the
hypocrisy of some of the questions he got, but most
of the time he was very friendly and very professional.
And I actually disagreed with him on one issue, and
I would have liked to have debated him about legalization
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of marijuana. He was against it, and I'm totally for it.
It's just a matter of what government has the right
to do to me, you know, no, so but anyway
I would I would have liked to have debated him
on that one.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I'll just tell you real quick. And then we got
to go to break two. It's like, you know, I'm
I went to I'm from being for the legalization marijuana
to go into the middle road because some of this
stuff that's sold at dispensaries is ungodly potent and just
takes away your mind, and I'm like, there's something just
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not right about it.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I don't like it. I don't like it, and I
don't use it. I don't want anybody I don't want
anybody drinking either. I don't want anybody smoking cigarettes either.
But does government have the right to make them illegal?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Exactly?
Speaker 5 (27:34):
And then of course, at what point and on what regards?
So if somebody's using say when we're talking about drugs
per se, Okay, so marijuana is not necessarily a hard,
hard drug to take, but if people are doing LSD
or may well, he's probably not a good example angel
dust or heroin and stuff. It affects their moods and
stuff like that. So if they become a threat to society,
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then could you illegalize it?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
No? You know, if you're if you're drinking and driving,
go to jail. If you're smoking pot, go to If
you're taking prescription bills and you're driving, go to jail.
That's that's the same for all of them.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Yeah, well I agree in that regard.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Yeah, Okay, I'm sure you've heard the phrase drive high,
get a d U.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
I I've arrested people for driving high before.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Yes, before or after it was legalized before, I'm sure. Yeah,
I say in the nineteen nineties, you were sheriff, Yes,
I forgot.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
All right, well we're gonna go ahead and go to
our second break. Like I said, I've I've narrowed it down.
So with that said, we'll be back in about two minutes.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back in. If
you were watching us on CUE broadcasting, thank you very much.
And my wife and I are looking more and more
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into that and uh uh still trying to get her
convinced that it's going to be a better thing than
what we have because it's definitely money saver, so definitely
uh look, getting to see what we can do there. Anyway,
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once again we're joined by Sheriff Richard Mack and just
moving moving on. Of course, now we get to the
one thing that I wanted to talk about. Uh just uh,
I don't want to spend too much time on, but
we we had that unfortunate situation in Pocatello that that
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was this last April and horrible situation. A seventeen year
old kid with cerebral palsy and and on the on
the high spectrum of autism was gunned down by Pocatello
police officers and you know, uh, looking at looking at
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the at the videos there and the bodycam footage. I
was disgusted by what I saw. But my wife has
come to this conclusion that she doesn't trust police officers
anymore whatsoever, because her and I do have an an
autistic special needs kid. He's more than not just autistic,
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he's also got epilepsy the worst I've ever seen, which
has caused brain damage, and and he and he has
he has violent behavioral problems. And she's you know, now,
she's afraid of the police officers in this matter. And
as a matter of fact, one morning, uh, I'm listening
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to Sam Bushman and that the commercial starts rolling for
the CSPOA, and she's like, oh, no, I don't support
this organization. And I'm like, why CSPOA is is for
people like you, basically to help police the police. I
explained it to her, Well, what say you on the
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situation and what would you say to try to put
her fears aties?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
These are all very isolated incidents, that's the main thing. Also,
I know police. I worked with police for twenty years
full time. I've worked with him since then, so I
have about forty years working with police and sheriffs and
law enforcement. I've been an expert witness in several shootings.
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I'm not an expert in ballistics at all, but I
have been hired a few times to review police footage
and videos of shootings. One was in Tucson, Arizona, where
the family there really believed and the CSPA and my
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outlook and view of law enforcement and the SWAT team
was going in the front door of this former marine
and they didn't announce themselves. They just busted in. And
this former marine happened to have his rifle next right
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next to him, and he grabbed it. They saw him
and this they never told him to put it down.
They just started firing. The ridiculous part of this is
one of the SWAT team members did not even was
not even at the door yet where all the shooting
was going on, and he grabbed his forty four and
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he started firing into the into the house, indiscriminately, over
the shoulders and around the faces of other officers who
were already shooting this innocent man. And instead of making
his own determination that what was happening was legit, he
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just wanted to join in the fund. And that's the
way it made it look. Now, I don't believe any
officer wakes up in the morning and says, boy, I
hope we have a shooting today. I hope I get
to kill somebody today. That doesn't happen. Most shootings that
cops are involved in that end up killing a would
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be suspect. Fifty percent of them quit law enforcement altogether.
It cost them their career and their livelihood. They go
on to something else, but it's really hard to live
that down no matter where they go. So another incident
similar in orm Utah, there were two officers there and
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a kid had a comb and it was a shining
comb and he put it down. He didn't. One officer
started shooting, and so the other off, oh good, you know,
we get to start shooting, and he's joined in the shooting.
And I sailed both of those incidents where officers just
seem to want to join in without making an independent
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determination that lethal force was being necessary. So do officers
shy away from a shooting. Not nearly enough, in my view.
I never Most officers go through the careers, And I
don't care where you are Los Angeles, New York, or
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Graham County, Arizona, where I was sheriff. Most officers never
end up in a shooting during their entire career, so
twenty to twenty five years, most officers never get involved.
Most officers have a very close call, though, and I
had two of those, and one incident with that I
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had with a man that was on math and waving
his gun all around a from his front door. He
never left his home, he never left the threshold and
I told the deputy be very careful here. I wasn't
going to tell the sheriff the deputy not to shoot,
but we had good cover, and I said, let's really
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give him benefit of the doubt because every two or
three minutes, maybe more than that, his ten year old
son was standing right next to him, and so the
kid was actually in a crossfire situation with us. So
I wanted to be very careful about that. He had
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not fired a single shot yet, and if he had fired,
I know we would have killed that man, but he
never did. We finally talked him into putting the gun
down and we arrested him. So with this incident that
I saw that you were referring to in pocat, it
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would be really easy for me to hang these police officers.
But I also couldn't hear everything going on? Was the
family screaming at the officers and to let them know
that this kid was very handicapped, that would have been
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key to it. If the officers had known that, they
should have told the dispatchers to tell him he's handicapped.
That's another thing I would like to see. Did the
dispatch ever tell him? And did the people calling tell
him that? And when the officers arrived, why wasn't the
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family yelling at the officers he's sick, he's demented, he's handicapped,
he's autistic, he doesn't speak whatever, he doesn't speak English.
All of that should have been shouted out. And as
a matter of fact, I know my wife would have
stood in front of my son, whether he had a
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gun or a knife, she would have stood in front
of him. It looked like at one point somebody tried
to do that, but I'm not certain about that. But
I would like to get all the investigation done and
then give your wife my conclusion after that, and I
would like to see that I would like to have
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the sound enhanced where that's a lot better. One other
key point in shoot don't shoot training, this used to
be very prevalent that a young boy, let's say like
a thirteen fourteen year old boy, is charging at the
officer and he's got his hand behind his back. And
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this is the officer that's there on a kid with
a gun, a kid with Levi's and a T shirt
has a gun at a park, and you're the officer
and you're viewing the kid. You're the camera, the officers
the camera, and the officer is yelling at this kid,
charge you right at him. Stop, stop where you are.
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I'm gonna shoot. I'm gonna shoot. Stop. Freeze, I'm a
police officer. Freeze. And the guy, the kid has a
gun or he does. The officer can't see whether he
has a gun or not. And then the officer the
kid is right up in front of the officer, maybe
two or three feet, and he suddenly pulls out a
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card that says he's deaf and dumb, and aren't you
grateful that you did not pull the trigger on that
kid that did not have a gun and who is
deaf and dumb. Exactly, I'm supposed to shoot him and
I didn't. In that training, many officers did. And we're
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not supposed to shoot. And so these these officers that
shoot somebody because they lunch for the glove compartment to
get their driver's license or registration. No, no, no, no wrong.
And so one in Mason was a kid that was
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trying to pull up his pants and they shot him,
killed him. So they're just to me, there just needs
to be some better training. And the one thing I
believe that every peace officer needs to be trained in
is how do we protect the civil rights of the
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people that we work for. Yeah, that's what we teach.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Yeah, but now I want to I'd like to step
back a second, because what you're saying was very logical
and reasonable, and I think maybe regarding what like say,
folks in Black Lives Matter had concerns about, is maybe
we need to address something to do with police training.
You said a lot of people had shut the deaf
and dumb card kid, and so I'm wondering did they
pass where they did they move on to become police officers,
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or were they re evaluated? How what happens in that regard?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Look it you get, you get to fail about Uh,
if you get eighty percent on any test, you pass, Okay, So.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Eighty percent is usually a passing grade, right, Yeah, I mean,
you know.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
It is, it's all very academic in a lot of ways,
but for making one mistake like that, especially when it's
kind of a tense situation where you expect the officers
going to shoot, but no, you're not supposed to.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
Now, I see a lot, a lot of violence in
the United States. If you take cities like Chicago, I mean,
it's shootings every day. It's nuts. I mean, we have crime.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Now. Governor Prisker says there's no problems, and yeah, two
we all know.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Uh, but even New York City. You take a lot
of places, even some rural areas in this country, we've
we developed a lot of crime because drug dealers and
stuff found. Hey, rural areas have less law enforcement and
less monetary means to enforce laws. So let's go there
and overwhelm them. So law enforcement officers have to deal
with a lot of crime, They have to deal with
a lot of violence, and they see on a daily basis.
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A lot of people don't understand how much they deal
with and it's got to be really hard on them.
But these these guys are going to be a little
on the edge because they don't know. You know, you've
heard it before from from any police chiefs or sheriffs saying,
my officers have a rate to go home every night,
not not in a body home and.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Behavior.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
But what I'm getting at is, when you see a lot,
you become very reactionary, don't you.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Well, of course, yeah, of course you do. And you know,
I'm grateful that I worked as a as a peace
officer and as a sheriff in a relative quiet and
peaceful areas, low crime areas, but it still happens. And
you know, we've had we when I was sheriff, we
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had some real scary incidents, you know, where a one
of our arrestees was being transferred from our jail to
another one and he got a hold of one of
the transporting officer's gun and he started shooting at him,
and praise god, neither one of them got shot. But
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so yeah, there's I mean, there's crazy things out there,
and these officers are worried about it. But I do
not like, do whatever you have to do to go
home tonight, because if I shot a twelve year old
kid with a toy gun that happened in Cleveland, Ohio
about twenty years ago, I couldn't live with that I'm sorry.
I would rather go down than to have that twelve
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year old go down and my children and my wife notwithstanding.
I'm sorry, but I don't want to be taught that
and brain washed into believing the most important thing is
that I go home, but some other kid gets it from.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Me, because that's counterproductive too. You need That's what we
go back to. Police training is really important, but maybe
even advanced police training has for somebody's on the job
of these areas, maybe they do things that may to
be addressed.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
I've never been.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
Law enforcement, so I can't I can't assess how it
really goes for folks in law enforcement, but it seems
to me there should be something a little bit more
to address some of these as you're describing.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Anybody can dotate go take a shoot don't Shoot class
and you're shooting into a screen that is live and
a lot of a lot of gun shops have those
available all over the country. Shoot don't Shoot and it's
excellent training and everybody should go through it.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
So six six hour has it right there in Kingston,
New Hampshire. They have all sorts of training courses.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, yes, everybody should take it.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Yes, Well, anyway, we're winding down to the last ten minute,
so we're gonna take our final break, which is just
about a minute and a half, and we'll be back
to wrap things up. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we
(44:14):
are back end, just getting ready to wrap things up
here with Sheriff Richard Mack Now Sheriff Mac. I want
to show you some things here that I have. Of course,
I got this. This is solid silver. That that's this.
This was from g Edward Griffin. Uh. I got this
(44:36):
this trump gold. I don't know what you call it
when it's shaped like this. Then there's this with Charlie Kirk.
But from what I understand you you have something I
can add to this collection.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Oh man, Yes, I don't have one in front of me. Sorry,
let me see you. But yes we knew. In fact,
we have the CSPOA Challenge coins and they're beautiful. They're wonderful,
and anybody who donates one hundred dollars to CSPOA, I
will mail you one of those challenge coins. They're just
(45:17):
they're the same that every sheriff's office and police department
have in this country. And it's going to be a
collector's item and we'd love to have everybody get yours
while you can, and so any again, any one hundred
dollars donation, I'll pay the shipping and we'll get it
(45:38):
out to you and it comes priority mail, so it's
tracked and it'll get to you. And so the CSPOA
Constitutional Shriffes and Peace Officers Association challenge coin and they're
not inexpensive. Let me tell you, they're really nice, and
we'll get that out to you. Again. You can make
(46:01):
any donation you want at CSPOA dot org. We're very
busy trying to get a training conference and seminar in
Washington State to help protect the sheriffs there from utter
destruction by the state by their own state. The governor
and legislature there in Washington is destroying the office of
(46:22):
sheriff all across the state and we're going there to
defend the sheriffs and let the public officials know that
are part of that, that they are out of line.
So we need the donations. We need everybody to get
a challenge coins, and my wife and I will send
you that c SPOA challenge coin and when you get it,
(46:45):
you'll see how much you're absolutely going to love it.
You'll probably order some more.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
It's an attractive looking coin. Look at it on your website.
You know it's got the emergent on it's a CSPOA
Constitutional Sheriffs Police Officers Association. There's a video that people
can see as well. I should the link with Billy
if he wants to share it with his listening audience.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yes, thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
Yes, yes, And of course we got CSPOA going down
in the you see it in the ticker there along
with the X handle and of course the sub stack
to where you'll find this archive and every other archive
which includes there are three other shows we've had with
(47:31):
Sheriff Max, so please feel free to dig into the
archives check them all out. I'm one of my favorite
shows that we've had was the day that we had
you and Dan wass On. I mean, like, and I'll
say again, two of the best Second Amendment advocates that
I think I've ever talked to in my life. Now
(47:54):
I could have gone to the to the gun conference
by the Second Amendment. Uh uh yeah, now if I
they slipped my mind. But they were in Salt Lake
City a couple of weeks ago, but uh I skipped
on them just so I could go to Glenita's backyard
batch again. So that ye, yeah, and and this this
(48:19):
time they had they had tacos this last go around.
But yeah, I still still remember that night. Yeah, you
were there and you you told those amazing stories and
addressed the crowd. But which brings brings me to my
next question. Are there any upcoming events that you will
be speaking at?
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Or well? I just did one in Michigan and that
really went great, and then we're planning one in Elko,
Nevada on November seventh. Oh really if you want to
make Elko.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
Yeah, well, well, I mean I'm not. I'm very close
of course in the Nevada border. And then my mother
happens to live in Wells.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Oh yes, well yeah, what would love to have you
anybody else? Bring your wife? I'd like to meet her. Yeah,
tell her that I plan to discuss this entire incident
with her and maybe she and I can have a
good little talk while you're there.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
Yes, yes, absolutely, So that's November seventh, again.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
November seventh, and it's at the Elko I think County
Commissioners Chambers. But I'm doing the flyer and I'll get
that out to you.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Oh, absolutely absolutely. Plus I'm also for the past year,
and I should have addressed this to you a long
time ago, but I've been having trouble with my CSPOA
membership where it just quit take my card and I
lost my membership. I got money my card, but it
wouldn't accept it.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
I don't know why I could have Stephanie get ahold
of you, but so email me on that. Sheriff mac
at hotmail email me that and I'll make sure that
Stephanie gets ahold of you and takes care of that
for you, or maybe my wife will one or the other.
Speaker 4 (50:16):
Yes, yes, and you're You're on at least every Tuesday
morning with with Sam Bushman if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, if I'm not traveling and had another meeting, I'm
on with him. And in fact, we were supposed to
be on this morning, but he was traveling and so
the show didn't happen this morning.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
But yeah, yeah, I can't remember where he said he
was going. Yeah, he hasn't had a show for the
last few days. He's been running replays right, Yeah, now
he's been he's been amazing for the cspo A as well.
But yes, it's always a pleasure talking to you here
(50:59):
on Patriot Confederation, and sometimes it just feels like an
hour is not long enough to cover everything we want to.
But we covered a great deal I think we did
today and I you know, I felt like, definitely I
wanted to get your take on the situation in Pocatello,
and I think you gave me a very good answers
and and uh, in fact, I was it was on
(51:21):
my mind to email you shortly after that happened, but
it just kept slipping my mind then of course.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
Uh uh.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
You know, some of some of your colleagues asked me
to have you on the show again, and I said,
I'll have I'll have Richard on my show anytime.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Well good, Well, I want all your listeners to realize
there's not very many peaceful and effective solutions left and
c SPO A dot org is one of them. And
there's not very many. Uh, you can count them all
on two or three fingers.
Speaker 5 (51:55):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
And so become a part of the solution. Become a
part of the solution to take America back, and that's
both peaceful and effective, and that's the way we want it.
It's a what Charlie Kirk said, a return to our
foundation of God, family, and country. We've got to put
(52:17):
the Constitution back as the supreme law of the land.
It's got to be at once again our foundation and
base and folks. If we do that, there's hope for America.
And that's what you'll get from CSPOA, legitimate hope.
Speaker 4 (52:34):
And let us not forget too. I mean, I don't
want to throw away the word democracy as much as
I'm sick of it, but we use democracy. We are
not a democracy. Let's get that straight.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Good play.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
Yeah, I mean, because the democracy is important, but it's
not what we are. Correct exactly. Well, on tap for
next week is gonna be very interesting, John. We've got
Gonzalo Duran who's running for office in the Bronx and
he wants he wants to make the Bronx great again.
(53:14):
So be interest.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
Northeastern over here, all right, we've got on this side
of the country. Now.
Speaker 4 (53:21):
I don't talked to anybody who's really involved in any
political office in the in the New York Greater New
York metropolitan area, So be awesome, he has to say, absolutely,
Sheriff Mac, It's always a pleasure having you here on
the show. God bless you. And about November.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Two, well, let's do it all right. Well, uh, email
me and I'll email you back to flyers, so we'll
talk soon.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
Brother absolutely and ladies and gentlemen. God save the Republic
of the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
We never back down from Bay.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
We're runna feeded Americans.
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