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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Your hosts Chris Wyatt, Todd McKinley, and John Gorvin.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
HEURDI, guys, can you hear me? Just fine? Give me
a thumbs up back in the studio. Todd's got me. Todd,
what is with that shirt? My goodness?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Like that?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Are you in Hawaii?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
No, I'm in Tampa, Florida for the American Legion National Convention.
And I decided, since I only have American Legion shirts
with me, this is the only last one I have
that's not Legion. So since we talked politics, I can't
I can't wear a Legion.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I thought he was doing Miami Vice or Magnet Man.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
This is a mag and p I. This is a
Magni p I sure, by the way, I got it
in Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I thought maybe maybe you were a crocket or tubs
there is trying to.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I'm better than those guys.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I'm Magnum, Thomas Magnum. We're coming to you from all
over the world tonight from Mary Old, England, where I
find myself. My apologies to my co host for not
making it last week, but the connection was like sucking
through a straw. Tonight it's it's a little bit better,
but it's not ideal, So hopefully people can hear me
just fine here in Mary Old, England. I see Todd
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is down in Florida, Sunshine State, the land of liberty.
These days they call it uh planning the role of
Thomas Magnum.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
On the QT.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And we've got John Grover up in the studio in Nation,
New Hampshire, and I'm just gonna beat Todd to the
punch tonight since I haven't been keeping up on what's
going on to New Hampshire. And before you can get
into it, I'm gonna say, John, what's going on to.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
New York? And we're just still number one for freedoms
in the in the country, so wrapped around a bunch
of liberal states here. But no, I don't have any news.
I didn't pull up any of my sources this afternoon,
so I quite all right dropped the ball on you, guys.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I'm just trying to be tied to the punch because
you know, at some point he's going to ask that
question in the broadcast and I'm only here for the
first hour.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
So what's going on in New Hampshire.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Well, you know what, I've I've been really enjoying this
nice cool mornings, waking up at fifty two degrees. I
don't know folks here now feel the same way, but
I'm absolutely not complaining about those nice cool mornings.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, fifty two degrees, that's like heaven for me. And
is a Viking man? That's that's like shorts and shields weather,
you know, yeah, short shields and a claymore and not
the ones the army has, but the ones the Scots
carry around. So guys, gosh, I've been out of the
country for a few days and things are just picking
up pace. I see the present Tromposition executive order to
try to get prosecutors, federal prosecutors to prosecute people for crimes. Now,
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the media falsely portraying this as an executive order against
burning flags, which unfortunately, is the constitution protected right according
to the Supreme Court back in nineteen eighty nine. So
what Trump's trying to do is get them for other
things like you know, you know, inciting violence or you know,
public you know whatever, all kinds of other things. So
that's what the executive is about, to make people penalty
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pay a penalty for it. He's also talking about deplaying
the National Guard all over the country to democratic cities.
They're out of control of the crime. I see that
they've been over twelve hundred arrest in the district of Columbia,
and the National Guard actually out picking up rubbish and
they're picking up the trash in the streets. But the
Democrats are complaining about them picking up the trash in
the streets. Todd, have you been following this story, either
one of those, the flag or the DC and the
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National Guard.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Right, well, a little bit of it.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
With the flag. With regards to that, yeah, it is
constitutionally protected. I think it is reprehensible to do something
like that, but I don't think anybody should be arrested
for burning the flag. I think it's wrong, but I
do think, yeah, it is a part of speech. I
don't agree with it, but you know, I kind of
excide with this fort on that one.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Well, I think we both find that it's unpalatable speech
and it's a shame that people feel they need to
do that. What I find is the hypocrisy. And we
saw people arrested for, you know, damaging paint on the
street when they paint the rainbow flag one of the
cities down there in Florida. They got arrested for that.
But you can burn the American flag. So why isn't
that free speech? I guess because it was on public
streets that it happened, it was damaged. I'm not really sure,
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but it is definitely a topic that it's hot. And John,
are you following that story at all with the flag burning?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Uh? Yeah, I heard about it. Yeah, he wrote the
executive order and stuff. I had forgotten about the Supreme
Supreme Court ruling on that. I do know there's some
laws regarding that. Well, there's a Supreme Court ruling, we
know that overrules the laws. So yeah, I don't know, man,
I'm up in the air on it. I mean, yeah,
it's freedom of speech, but it's also an offensive form
of all speech. But it's meant to be. And you
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know we've talked about this before in the past. Right,
if you go to an airport and you yell the
word bomb or something, do incite panic and calls harmed people,
then it's, uh, it's just for your freedom of speech
stops because the intention was to cause harm. Right, And
so this here, I don't know if you know, I mean,
I can't I can't contradict the Supreme Court ruling obviously,
But the intention is to incite people by burning the flag,
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that's what their intention is. We've had people defecate on
the flag, We've had people go way overboard. The flag
is a symbol of our country, and our country is
a very very sacred thing. You know, our our US
Constitution above all is the most sacred document we have
in this country. And so you know, when you when
you you know, defile things that represent our country, it's
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a bad representation of yourself. And I know there's people
coming from other countries just don't have a care in
the word about this country. They don't understand freedoms, they
don't love freedoms, they don't know how to handle freedoms. So,
but you know, if it's a form of it's a
freedom of spee or a form of speech, and they're
allowed to act that way as a form of speech.
I mean, we've heard people say, you have the right
to go stick your middle finger up in somebody's face
and flip them off and tell them where they can step,
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you know, and be really offensive with them. And it's
only a matter of all freedom of speech. Well when
does it stop?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You know, when when when you evade my personal space,
that's when it stops.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, with a knockout, on with a haymaker, right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Well, I mean, look, guys, I think we're all violent
in agreement here that it is free speech. We just
don't like that speech. But that's the thing, you know,
And I have to be consistent here because I criticized
the government in South Africa because they criminalize speech. They
put people in prison. It's convicted felons for words, for
using offensive you know, racist language. I mean, and I've
always said that when a government silences speech, it's an
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illegitimate government. And that's why, you know, well, I find
it unpalatable that people would want to burn the flag
and I don't think it's speech. I think it's hateful Uh,
it is their right as much as it is. And
you know, Todd and I both took an oath to
support and defend the Constitution. We did that with honor.
And you know that that includes protecting the rights of
scumbags who burned the US flag.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, absolutely, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
And I like that. You know, people coming back from say,
say war that you know servy serving in combat. You know,
people have the right to to not like you and
call your names or whatever. But you know, as soon
as you get in my face and try to throw
a contest a different situation, and you have a right
to dislike what I did or whatever you did. But
you know that that's your opinion. You have that you
have a right to that opinion.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I love how cowards stay at home and then criticize
those who served. Of course, of course that course.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
A good reaction to burning the flag for me is
a point out of them, laugh and say you spent
thirty dollars on there just to burn it away, But
thank you for retiring our United States flag. You know,
even though there's a ceremony behind retiring the flag, but
burning the flag is retiring the.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Flag an accurate statement, but not in that fashion.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
H Yeah, it's not a form of protest. Whenever you
retire them properly like that.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Yeah, right, right, you go through the ceremony and stuff
that you can do it next time, you know, but
that's the only way you can handle it, right, I mean,
you can't do it.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
They should do it ceremoniously. But then all of a
sudden say, hey, f yi, here's here's our statement. You know,
there's our political statement. But we're going to honor the
flag and that that would get probably more trackable.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Well that that doesn't serve their point, like you and I,
I mean, they look down on this and they make
they make faulment that's true, like you, and they call
us fascists. We're anything but fascist.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Right to earn the flag, so therefore we're not fascist.
For granted, we're not put you in jail.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
We are not trying to silence your speech and have
you banned on Facebook or Twitter or YouTube like they
did to us.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
We we we we protect your right to free speech.
We may not agree with it and find it reprehensible
and won't hang out in polite company with you. In fact,
would kick you off our lawn, you know, I says,
that's that's where I was going with that.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
But it's fine if you steal my thunder there, because
that's exactly where I was going with it. I'm glad
to see people are tracking with me there. But listen,
it's it's it is unpalatable speech for most Americans, but
I understand what to what Trump is trying to do.
There are other crimes are committed, you know, public I
started to say public intoxication, urination, but that's not it.
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In some cases that may be the true case, but
the tame line is that people should be able to
find a better way to register the complaints than burn
someone's flag. You know. I was at at the rugby
this weekend here in England and the anthems were playing,
so I stood up politely. I don't know the anthem
of Brazil, but I stood there at attention when it
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was playing. And then the South African anthem played. I'm
a supporter for South Africa, so I put my hand
over my heart and I sang the anthem like I
do with the US, the Canadian, German and French anthems,
all of which I know anyway, So I sang the anthem,
and this guy walks up to me and it kind
of looks at me with a drink and saying like
could you move, you know? And he said to me.
I'm like, I kind of looked at him as I
was saying like, are you high? Have you no respect?
I didn't say it word, but I mean it was.
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You know, if I was Medusa, he would have turned
the stone. I mean, I'm telling you, but I think
he got the message and he went and tried to
go another way. But I'm how disrespectful rude people when
a country's anthem, and this happens at games all the
time in America. It really irritates me in America when
the nasarathi is playing and people walking around and spilling
the beer and being jovial, a little respect otherwise, go home.
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You have no business being there. I have a little
bit of respect. It only takes a moment.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I remember Nat O'Connor refused to sing our national anthem,
said she's not an American, She's not going to sing
it at in the concert in the United States of America,
and people got offended by it, and the left people
were very offended by it. She did pass she is right.
She did. But uh SNL. Being a leftist outlet, we'll
make a lot of jokes about her, and.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
She has a lot of jerks about she was. Look,
she had one song, you know's and I never found
to be particularly entertaining or interesting. Uh So she's passed,
and I guess her her son passed shortly before her
from cancer, and then she passed with cancer as well
shortly after that. But but yeah, she's a nasty person
and a hateful person, hated America. So screw her.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
And you know, by written my boy was the people
on the left got very upset with her, and these
people now today would be supporting her.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Absolutely, You're right about that. They've definitely changed there too. Now. Now,
I did a video the other day in which I
did a clip of Barack Obama standing out there and saying,
these people have invaded America. They're illegal aliens, and we
will send them home. They're committing crimes by coming across
our border. And I'm like, that's what I've been saying.
You've been calling me a right wing nut job. I mean,
that's the law. That's what Barack Obama said when he
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was president in two thousand and seven after reporting a
record number of illegal aliens.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
That's what That's what Obama did.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
And now that Trump is deporting the old aliens, apparently
it's bad. These people are just wicked. They have no conscience,
they have no soul. They simply rotate their views based
on whatever is popular in their world at the time.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Well, I keep saying, Chris, the reason why they call
it democracy is because they want mob rule. Yeah, I
mean that's what we're doing. If it's direct democracy, it's
mob rule, right, And what are you doing in the democracy?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You just keep.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Changing the rules of the game in middle play, of.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Course, exactly. That once again, gentlemen, is why our system
of governance is unique and amazing at the same time,
because we created a system of sovereign states that joined
a union. Now we have the Article's Confederation, which proved
to be two weak. The Central Group was two weeks.
But we created a system which before the advent of Franklin, King, Franklin,
Delan and Roosevelt and the end before that. Actually, when
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Wilson came in with the income tax, before the income tax,
the thing was kind of held in checked. The federal
gum can only get so large. Its appetite couldn't grow
because it didn't have the resources. But it had sufficient
power to execute our wars, to protect our nation, and
to protect our borders, and do the things that it's
supposed to do. But ever since the I position of
the income tax, and then subsequently King Franklin Delan Roosevelt,
the government has grown to a massive belive with them.
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But the concept of the government is a federalist system
in which sovereign states surrenders some sovereignty to the federal level.
But the states are sovereign, and the concept of proving
that is very simple. The electoral college, we made sure
that small states had as much representation as the large states.
That's why every state, for those who haven't taken Civics,
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which would be some in our audience because they no
longer teach it, every state has two senators, and the
senators in the Senate are the senior body of our
by camera legislature. They're the ones that have the checks
and balances for the most part, against executive, against the
against the judicial branches. They can veto. They have to
approve the president's a confirmation. They have to confirm his
appointees at certain levels. And they are the only body
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that can ratify a treaty. A president can't sign a
treaty and put into effect. Obama signed the Paris Climate
a court. It had no legal binding for the United
States because the Senate refused to ratify it. So each
state is represented, whether it's Wyoming with five hundred and
fifty thousand residents or California with thirty eight million equally
in the Senate. The body that represents the people, of course,
is the House of Representatives, and based on proportional representation,
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each district is roughly the same size, about seven hundred
and seventy thousand people per district around the country. Some
of that this is quite weird, as we've discovered in
Illinois where the cowards from Texas ran off to complaining
about jerry mandry, which is the worst jerry manders state
the country. But everyone's represented by the House of Representatives.
But that's the junior body the legislature. So our unique
system of governance protected us against tyranny of the majority.
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Fifty plus one doesn't dictate to the country. It takes
the whole country to make a decision. That's why it
takes three quarters of the states to ratify the Constitution
to matter not to ratify, and also to amend the Constitution.
So it's not done, willy nilly. And I think our
system is amazing. It's unfortunate that people don't get civics
or leftists try to undermine it, John, because it is
unique in this planet. No one else has the system
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like ours.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Absolutely, yes, I know you're holden got stuck on what
you were saying about Obama earlier in two thousand and seven.
You made us all excuse me, made statement about Obama
with stumping on the idea of that legal aliens whenever.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
He ran down in two thousand, two thousand and sixteen,
when there seventeen yes, before he left office in he
was running for office in Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, that's yeah, Yeah,
you were correct. Obama wasn't president until two thousand and nine,
when he came into January two thousand and nine after
six years in office. In twenty sixteen, that's when he
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made that statement. So my apologies for getting that incorrect.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Okay, So maybe it was something on that too. Yeah,
he was campaigning on that too, right, he did.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
He also campaigned against gay marriage. Remember that he was
against gay marriage until until ben Ghazi, and then he
needed distractions. Suddenly he was for gay marriage.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
No, thisice how changed.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I don't think he needed a distraction. I just think
he was foured all along, as you know, typical politician.
You know, he's told the lion because their lips are moving,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Right, well speak speaking of the World Cup that you're
over there covering. I saw a little bit on ESPN
the women U US women got pretty much decimated by
it was it England, I believe the other day.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, yeah, Well, to be fair hit England had won
fifty six out of fifty seven matches you know, globally
before that. So they're the top ranked team in the world.
It's tough to beat them. They're the reigning world champion
from New Zealand in twenty twenty two for what was
supposed to being twenty twenty one. So yeah, it was
a tough draw for the Americans and actually was competitive
for the first thirty minutes. It was fourteen to seven
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for a long time, and then the Americans got a
yellow card from one of the more experienced players that
left kelter. She fullishly reached around to smack the ball
down in a position you're not allowed to do and
got a yellow card. Was out for ten minutes, and
then they ran the two tries leaky defense, and suddenly
it was twenty eight to seven. But the Americans had
the ball at the end of the first half and
they were down at the triline about to score. And
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I looked it was there in the field. I could
see the wing and I used to play wing, so
it gets my attention. The wing was wide open, but
they insist on being stubborn and trying to push the
cross the line where all the defenders were.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
And what happened is what's called held up.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
In other words, in order to score and rugby, you
have to get across the line, but it doesn't count
until the ball is put down on the ground. You
have to touch it to the ground right and you
have to depositive pressure. So when it's held up, that
means the defenders got their hands or foot or some
part of their body under the ball so it can't
touch the ground. Oh wow, that's a cool and so
that's what happened. They were held up. That's the signal
right there for those who were watching this not a
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radio audience. So it was held up. So what happens
is the defenders get to kick it from the goal
line and you basically lose about half the field becausey'll
kick it halfway down the field. You got to come
all the way back down to the scoring position. And
when they did that, instead of passing it to the
person on the right who was wide open, it could
have dove over and scored the points. We got no points.
That could have made it twenty eight to fourteen in
a very close game. But instead they kicked it down
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the pitch and then the player got the yellow card.
The experienced so American, a left kelter. She just came
back in the game and it's kicked to her and
she dropped the ball and it's a knock on a
turnover and so England gets the ball back. They kick
it down the pitch, they get close to the try line,
they run in another score and suddenly it's thirty five
to seven instead of twenty eight to fourteen. The game
was over. Second half. They just destroyed them. But all
the games, except for the Ireland and Japan game, its
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just been, you know, blowouts, every one of them. I
went to South Africa game, I went to Canada game,
against Fiji all blowouts to the Ireland game was the
only competitive game so far, but it'll get more competitive
as they get to the knockout stage in a couple weeks.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Can I ask a question how do I probably asked
this before another show is how does scoring work in rugby?
And I though I don't have to google it?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Sure, sure? So to score it's called a try. You
have to cross the into the end zone essentially for Americans,
and you have to put downward pressure pods control to
touch the ball on the ground inside the end zone.
That gives you five points. And then depending on where
you score from, if you score right in the middle
of the field under the post, you kick straight on,
but as you move out you have to kick from
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an angle and the chances get reduced because the angle
is more difficult to shoot it straight. So you want
to score in the middle of the field as often
as possible, but sometimes I have an option on all
My option is to score in the corner. It makes
it very difficult. You get two points for a conversion.
If you score a try and then you kick it
between the post, you get two points. At seven points,
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also you can get a penalty the other team gets
a penalty, and you can kick for points if you're
close enough, and that's three points. And you can also
do what's called a drop goal anytime and any time
in the game. You could just kick the all through
the post and it's it's uh, it's become more common recently,
but for years it had become pretty uncommon. Back in
the day. Forty fifty years ago, you saw it a
lot because people didn't score very often, so they tried
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to kick it through the post. Uh, But then it
kind of disappears in art. It's come back in recent years,
and so that's called a drop goal. So it's either
five points for a try, two points for conversion after
a try, and three points for penley or drop goal.
And that's that's how you get your points in rugby.
That's how you get these sports. Yeah, so it's kind
of like American football, except for it's five points.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
And and and you know, and two two points for
the extra point if you will versus one.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Exactly Okay, exactly cool, thank you.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I'm curious that they're wearing safety equipment. Are they still
going with just shorts and a T shirt?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It's a jersey and shorts there's there's uh, there's no
real I mean sometimes they have a little bit of
a shoulder pad of tiny thin pads here, but they're
not much of anything.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, it's uh, I noticed a little small little helmets,
like little thin Well, yeah, there's scrum helmets.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
And the reason for that is that when you get
into the scrum, ears get damaged and they they white
it colorflower ears from the scarring and it's pretty hideous looking.
So a lot of players will wear the scrum helmets,
which are just you know, they're just cloth to protect
your ears.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
So you still still you still see lights when you
hit your head.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It gets the imagine you look.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, now I have to give I give Rubb you
a lot of credit. Unlike the National Football League, they've
taken head injuries very seriously because they're not wearing helmets
as such, and so for years they've had a concussion
protocol for a long time. And so what you get
is an HIA head injury assessment. So they have sensors
on the jerseys and a player gets hit a certain
way or they're they you know, they wobble whatever, they
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can detect that and the medical staff can call the
player off and they have an obligation to do it.
They can be in a lot of trouble. They call
the player off, they assess them, and then they go
in for a ten minute minimum period where they have
to be assessed and after go through concussion protocol to
see if they've actually got a concussion and if they
fail it, they don't come back in the game. And
that happens quite frequently.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
So yeah, I thought it was just tough guys busting
heads and like again here.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
You know, how is the dental program on the rugby team.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Well, unlike the National Hockey League, a lot of rugby
players do have their actual teeth, so they tend to
wear mouthguards, so that's usually not an issue. And and
you know, it's it's it's a it's a physically challenging game,
a rough game. But the thing is is that it's
it's not like soccer where you have people acting like pansies,
falling down crying every time someone breeze on them. And
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it's yeah, or basketball where where it turns into a
fricking street fright with a fight with a bunch of brawlers.
You do have occasional dust ups, but for the most part,
you don't see much. It's it's pretty much a gentleman's
game for the men and ladies. It's look rugby is
It's interesting. It's it's the fastest growing sport in the world.
Team rugby and in the United States is the second
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largest rugby nation in the world, which most people don't know.
The only country that's more red rugby players than the
United States is England, the only country. We have half
a million people registered to play rugby in the United States.
It's it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
We have like a I don't know if you want
to call it minor, the amateur ish little league in
the southeast and Johnson City, Tennessee, which is thirty minutes
from my house. Twenty minutes twenty five how fast I drive.
We have a rugby team right there.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Well that's usually called Club Rugby's but yeah, there you go.
Yeah yeah, and they have what was yeah, yeah, no,
they have those every year. I've gone to one of
them in New York City a couple years back, but
that's kind of where rugby has been for decades. In America.
We didn't have a national side until nineteen eighty four,
even though we were the Rainy Olympic champions in rugby,
because in nineteen twenty nineteen twenty four, rugby's Olympic sport,
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United States assembled a bunch of college kids, mostly from
UC Berkeley. They went to France and they won the
gold medal twice in a row. They shocked the world.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, I know a lot of universities. I've seen him
on ESPN, like not the main ESPN, but like ESPN
two or three or something down the line where they
covered some college club rugby, which is kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah. No, it's a fascinating game. It's a game that
I was introduced to as a freshman well over forty
years ago. Forty three years ago, I was introduced to
the game, and I've always liked it. But you could
really watch in the States. It wasn't on television until
till recent years. So I got to watch it and
play it in Africa, and that's where I really grew
to enjoy the game. So yeah, but it's pretty cool.
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And so they used to be like the Olympics where
the men and women had the Rugby World Cup in
the same year, but that became too much of a
challenge for some countries. Plus they're trying to expand the interest,
so they put them off cycle. So that so I
went to the Women's World Cup in twenty fourteen in Paris.
The men in England in twenty fifteen, and they wanted
to have them two years apart. So what they did
is they had the women again in twenty seventeen because
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the men are nineteen. That way, they're every two years,
kind of like the winner in Summer Olympics, every two
years instead of one year back to back like that.
And so the women were in Paris in twenty fourteen,
Ireland in twenty seventeen. Twenty twenty one, they're supposed to
be in New Zealand, but the Coward's delayed it because
of COVID were twenty twenty two, so they played twenty
twenty two, and here we are again. This is the
second time in the last decade they've had a three
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year cycle, which is kind of weird, but they're back
on track now. So the next one will be this
is twenty five and twenty nine, and that one's actually
in the United States. Next Women's World Cup is the
United States. Yeah, and then the Mets twenty thirty one
will be in the United States.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Oh good deal. Hecky, I'm check some of that out.
I mean it's interesting to me, even though I don't
quite understand everything. Just the competition is.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Kind of cool.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Get John, Well, I'm saying you were saying that you
don't you know, you couldn't find rugby back in the
day because it wasn't poplar in the US. And I
picture in my head You're on base somewhere with this
big fat dish and somebody's asking where's the Colonel Chris White?
Who he's home? How do you know? Because the dish
is moving around, the dish.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Moving around, he's holded up on his rough.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Well, no, back in the day that you said those
big dish and you can turn.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
They signal Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Yeah yeah, but that's my way back. That's dating ourselves there.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Well, my neighbor growing up. My neighbor growing up had
one of those. We played baseball and we'd always hit
that thing. The ball would just bang it. He gets
so mad. I'm like, you should have put it right
where we're playing baseball basically.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Oh well, I mean you know back then, you know,
in order to get sad like TV, you had to
have like eight feet across dish. You know, you had
to be rich. Now you just have to have internet connection.
You can watch you can watch direct TV off the
internet now exactly. But anyway, so rugby is they got
a World Cup for the minu Wa may Furs, and
also there's rugby seven. So in rugby union, which is
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what this is, you have fifteen players on the field
at the time, and then rugby seven's is half as
many players but the same size field. So you can
imagine that game is attract me. It's like a track meet. Yeah,
you got you got to be very fit, and you
got to be able to get up and down the
field very quickly. Because there's a high scoring games, luch
higher scoring than these games because there's far fewer defenders
and much easier to break through the line, get a
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line break and run down the pitch. So it's very exciting.
The sevens is a tournament and the games are very short.
You only have seven minute halfs unless you get to
the knockout rounds and it's ten minutes. So whereas in
rugby union, which is what I'm here watching, it's forty
minute halfs. So it's two forty minute halves.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, I was noticing that. I was like forty minutes.
It was like, oh, the first half is over, and
I was like, first half is over, Like you go
to another forty minutes.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yeah, but it goes a lot quicker than the NFL,
So you got to give it that. Games typically real
time are over within two hours, usually two hours or less,
unless there's a lot of injuries and sometimes, but unlike
the clock will stop if there's an injury, but I
mean a lot of times, if the player is injured,
it's away from the actual actuable play, they'll just keep playing.
The official won't stop the clock and just keep playing.
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And so one team will be down a player because
or if two people are injured, they're down two players.
They're just kind of screwed until unless the play works
his way back towards the injured player then in order
to prevent further injury, then they'll blow the whistle and
call it dead. But yeah, it's a very popular game,
and there's different versions of it. And then there's all
something called rugby league, which is popular in New Zealand,
England and a number of other countries. And I went
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to the World Cup here in England a few years
ago for rugby league. That's a game where it's a
faster game and they do things slightly different. They don't
have a scrum, so you don't have to worry about
guys having colorflower ears because they never get down and
smash their heads against each other.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
All right, no scrum. I like that. We don't want
all scrums, no scrubs.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah, that's like, so what is that TLC? Is that
the greuer?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, we don't want no scrub. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Good.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, well let's go back aways there. But anyway, guys,
there's a little bit of battle with the audience position
in that I don't think. But that's that's what's going on.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
So you guys like I don't get what we have
an audience.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
That this is a disgusting group. That's what it is.
You know, Okay, we discuss a little bit.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
We can discuss a little bit more about the men's Uh,
the men's tournament has twenty teams. They want to expand it,
which I think is a bad idea because there's already
a number of blowouts with twenty teams. But but twenty
teams is the right level, I think, whereas you know,
I think there's like forty eight in the FIFA World
Cup is ridiculous, but twenty teams the men's and so
they have games during the week when they have the
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World Cup because the have more games they've got to cover,
whereas the women all the games are just on the weekend.
So you wind up with top downtime during the week
which is is okay. And normally I would be running
around and going to battle sites and you know, and
castles and filming and you know, experiencing some culture. But
my rental car has a mileage limit on it, and
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it's twenty four since twenty four US since per mile
after I get to the limit, so I'm kind of
restricting myself to short drives to coffee shops wow, and
then racking up the miles on the weekend driving around
to the games because I'm already I was already over
my limit in the first four days, so I can
average about eighty miles per day.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
But I learned a little something here.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Ave has changed the rules and if you rent over
twenty eight days, then they're going to limit you. But
the guy told me said, if you're at twenty eight
days or less and you get your unlimited mileage. So
next time I look like this, it'll be twenty eight days, Max,
I won't do thirty and I'll just take them to
the train for those other two days.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, or turn it back in and then sign it
back out right. Well, that's what I said to him.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I said, you know what, why don't I just turn
it back in and give another car come back here?
But yeah, except that the games are halfway up the
country most of the games, and they're all the way
down by London, so that's not going to help me. Yeah, anyway,
But I know that rugby is it's quite a popular
sport in some nations and it's growing. It's growing in
Latin America. Brazil, the women, this is their debut. They
made it for the first time. In fact, their fly half,
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which is the person who is kind of the field
general in the middle of the field and kicks the
ball and distributes around and also tries to kick a
lot of the conversions. Isn't always that person. Anyone can
kick the conversions, but usually if fly half does it
for most teams anyway, they've got a fly half from Brazil.
Her name is it's her name something coon Hunter or something.
Like that a German surname looks very German. But she's
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a breast cancer survivor and she's had breast cancer three
years ago and she's back to playing rugby. She was
also an Olympian too, so she scored the first points
out of Brazil and the crowd went wild. You know
that the Brits always loved the English, always loved the
root for the underdog. In that game against South Africa,
Brazil is definitely no know. They lost sixty six to six,
but it was an exciting game and it was great
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to see them put their energy into it. The South
African's got their first win in the World Cup for
the women since twenty ten, so it was an exciting
day all around. In Ireland had a great game against Japan.
Japan gave it a valued effort, but they made one
mistake and kind of get away from them. Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
So who do you think is gonna win win it all?
What those favorite?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Well, it'll be either England or in New Zealand, and
I think Poland has the front edge. They're they're the
fact the coach of England is the former USA Eagles
men's rugby coach John Mitchell. He's coached all over the world,
and for a couple of years he was a US coach,
had a nine and eight record. I think's the first
ever US coach to have a winning record nine wins
and eight losses. And then John Mitchell and then he
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later went elsewhere, and then he wound up as a
coach of the England women's team. And they're just they're
tough to beat. They're they're really talented. You can't you
can't for a second pause, you can't look away for
a micro second because they'll just run right past you.
And they just didn't burn it. And that's what happened
in the game against US. They just hur Burnie women
in the second half. It was it was painful. And
here I am sitting there wearing a USA women's rugby jersey,
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you know, and then all these English fans around me
a little bit, they're all they're all like you poor
bugger you.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Hey, but you think loyal though.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
That's the thing though, of course, I mean I'm not
a fair weather fan, not a fair weather fan.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
So taking it off and like you, I put it
off on the side.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
So that's that's a little bit about it. Like I said,
the games for every weekend here. The first game I
got to say. The first game was in Sunderland, a
place I'd never been, so that was interesting. New just
below Newcastle in the northeast of England, not too far
from Scotland border. In fact, I went by Hadrian's Wall
and I stopped there for the first time. I've driven
through and passed it, but I've never stopped. I went
to but of course my hip was proven to be
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a challenge and it's quite a hike up the hill,
more like a mountain. So I just took a few
photographs from a distance and you know it, stopped at
one of the foot hill forts there and then went
on to Sunderland and it was pretty interesting because they've
got this huge chasm where this river passes through and
the banks are hundreds of feet up. They built this
massive footbridge it goes across it and apparently it's been
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closed forever. They never opened it. So they opened the
bridge for one day for the Rugby World Cup, for
the celebration of the game on Friday last week. Into
people from Sunderland who came just to walk across the
bridge because they've been waiting forever to cross that bridge.
So they opened up and you could tell that the
bridge wasn't quite finished because there's a few spots as
you walk along where they's supposed to be stone, granted,
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but it's just sand. And I'm walking across the bridge
kind of shaking, like is this thing? Is this structurally sound?
By the way, the bridge is closed again. It was
only that one day. That was it, so you can't
cross the bridge again. But it runs from the center
of town across the river, the Tyne River, I think
it is into to where the stadium's at. And the
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stadium was nice, but anyway, so they threw a heck
of a parade and a great fan zone. They had
people marched through.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It was really cool.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
They did a great job. And then the.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Game, you know, England won.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
They had a pop musician, Anne Marie singing before the game.
She sang three songs and yeah, it was pretty good opening.
And that was the first game. The USA got to
playing the first game, even though they got slaughtered. Then
on Saturday they had games in York and I think Manchester.
I went the games in York, which is an old
Viking town. Viking name for it was Yorvik and then
on Sunday the head games, I forget I think Manchester again,
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and also in Northampton. I went to Northampton, so it's
just kind of the middle of the country.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
So yep, good deal. I love it. That's good stuff.
And when you head back this way or the.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
US in mid September, I'll be back. The Women's a
little bit different. For the men's I only go to
the World Cup during what's called the pool stage because
you see all the countries you never see I mean,
you know, they got Portugal, They've got you know, Chile.
I went to Chile game in France. I've never seen
Chile play before, so you see countries like that, and
it's kind of cool competition. There's lots of camaraderie fans
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from all the world. Then later on I much prefer
to watch the games on TV when they get to
the knockout stage, you know, so you can see the
replay and stuff like that, and I go home for
that portion. So there's forty games in the pool stage
and I try to go as many as possible and
see as many things as possible in the men's World Cup,
and then I go home. For the women it's kind
of weird because the first one I went to, I
was in Stuttguard for conference and the women were playing
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in Paris that weekend. I had the weekend off, so
I bought a ticket. I flew from stut Guard to Paris.
I went to the women's game and I actually was
there for the final, for the semi final, the final,
which is pretty cool. And then the next time I
went to Ireland and I caught it towards the end.
So I was there for a couple of weeks and
caught the second half of the tournament and then up
to the final and watch England defeat New Zealand. And
then this time here I've got the pool stage and
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then the quarter finals that I'm headed back. I've got
a documentary I have to film in September, so I
need to get back to the States.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, good, good deal. What kind of documentary can you
talk about that? Or is that a no go?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I can talk about that as long as it comes through.
It's a South African broadcasting network that's filling a documentary
about offer Connors that have left South Africa and their
situation in South Africa. And so I'll be filming that
when I get back to the States if all goes well,
and at the moment looks like I'll be flying up
to Idaho twin Falls and then doing that documentary up there.
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Interesting looking forward to that. But the World Cup, but
you know, it's rugby. I like rugby. A lot of
a lot of people realize women play, Yeah, but they
do play, and there's some really good talented athletes to
play women's right, the Australians are good, then these Zealanders
are good, and of course the English are fantastic as well.
In the US, it used to be good. In fact,
in twenty seventeen we played for the bronze medal game
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in Ireland and then lost and came in fourth, And
since then they've kind of gone downhill. Now they're tenth
in the world, so not nearly as good as it
used to be.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Sad, but yeah, I'm released competitive that at some points, right,
and sports we don't generally play. That's good, yeah, no
doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
So to get back to politics for a little bit,
because I won't be able to stay for the second hour,
No no, no, I'm just saying, just for the audience,
we get back to the politics for a little bit.
So I see that the Democrats are losing their mind
because Trump is talking about deploying the National Guard to
more cities around the country. You know, it's funny because
here in the UK you're going to get very much
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slanted news of what with what's going on with Trump
and what's what's all about. So it's kind of odd
to see the news here. But they hear they're talking
about the fift percent tariffs on India that are still
in play. What about the tariffs. Are they getting a
lot of tension in the States or people just kind
of kind of quiet on the tariffs since I been gone.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Uh no, I mean, I'm not really talking about it
too much. You know, everybody's praising Trump for what he's
doing with law and order, and apparently people in d
C are coming out and supporting the National Guard and
the police now and they're thanking them for cleaning up
those cities. You know, people were scared to go outside
in some of the neighborhoods and now they're like, man,
we can actually go out on the streets now.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
And that's what I'm here with a lot of people,
which is great, and heard the same thing before I left.
Of course, I was down in DC just before the
Guard got deployed out there. But I got to tell you, Todd,
I think I think you and I have some problems
with some of this. I mean, ponytails in uniform, people
with shaving profiles and look like they haven't shaved as
long as I haven't shaved. I mean, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
That's I think they changed the regulation. AR six seventy
Dash one has been changed. You can have the same
I know they change the regulation. What I'm saying is
that neither one of us would be comfortable with that.
I mean, oh no, I can't. I can't, I can't.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
I can't get female officers, particularly senior officers, having ponytails
hanging out the back of their fatigues and also being
wearing ear rings in in in combat uniform. What's the
point of wearing fatis if you have ear rings and
a ponytail, as you know, you don't uniform.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
You don't put yourself yeah, uniform, you don't. Also, you
don't put yourself in a position or they're they're there
for a position if something happens right, and so if
you have to take action, you're you're in a confrontation
you're wearing jewelry. That's like the worst thing you could
be doing.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, And I remember back when the Air Force has
been ever to wear it for years, the ear rings,
but I don't know what the ponytails they had, studs
and pearl studs they were allowed to wear.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
In the uniform. But it always struck me as bizarre.
Why in the world would you would you wear ear
rings in camouflage uniform and kind of missing the point altogether.
The purpose of military is not to make you feel feminine,
not to make you stand out. The purpose of military
is for one team, one fight to accomplish the goal.
And that's why we all look the same. You know,
we'll make allowances. Don't force women to get butch haircuts.
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They're allowed to put their hair up. And I know
it causes problems in kevlar helmets, but hey, you know,
if you're in if you're in a unit that goes
to field a lot, then cut your hair.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah. I mean you got to be able to protect
yourself and that that helmet may actually save your live.
And some people say, oh, it won't save your life.
I'm like, I know dozens of people who've been shot
in the head, and it saved their.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Life for so youll, well, if you don't get shot
in the head just as well. But the shrapnel, man,
I mean, there's a reason you wear a helmet. There's
a reason why you wear a hard hat on a
job set, a construction site, right because if rocks and
stuff get bounced around or fall off the object, it
could be damaging if you hit you in the head.
But that that'll stop and prevent it from Think about
the helmage, think.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
About their modern warfare, global war and terror, especially rack Afghanistan.
With modern body arm and everything. You see all these
amputees coming back, people coming back with all sorts of
massive injuries which would normally would kill you, but it's
caused the body arm has kept them alive. And a
lot of people are like, man, I missed my arm,
but I'm glad to be alive, you know what I mean.
It's just it's because the body arm, I'm alive.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I think the kevlar helmet that we wear, which is
pretty much unchanged since the early nineteen eighties, it's very reliable.
It's fantastic for ballistic purposes, and I was sold on
it just before I went in the Army. I came
in the army in nineteen eighty three, and I remember Grenada,
we had an NCO that was shot square right in
the middle of the forehead by an AK forty seven
and it didn't it did not penetrate the kevlar. He's
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alive today, otherwise he would do in dead a shot
of the head. Yeah, but so I remember that story.
And then then so the moment I got to wear
kevlar after basic training because we had steel pots, and
we still had steel pots in Germany when I got
over there. It was until about a year aftergot that
we finally got kevlars fielded around nineteen eighty five in Germany.
I was happy. The only problem with the kevlars, the course,
is you got spoiled with the steel pots because it
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was basically a way to shower.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
You could put you could put hot water in it
and bathe with that. But you couldn't do that with
the kevlar because all the webbing was inside there. It
just didn't work.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Now you didn't have a liner you could take.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Out, right, yeah, exactly. So it was just yeah, that's right,
because it's all one piece, whereas with the steel pot.
You had a liner that went it was kind of
like fiberglass and you pull it out and then steal pop.
But that steel pot didn't didn't protect anybody. Man, that
that's that thing. I don't know what was meant to stop,
but it wasn't going to stop any bullets. Maybe a
little you know, fleck of steel swine you.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Know, yeah, fragments, Yeah, it's about it.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yeah, but kevlars have definitely that's been definitely been a
game change for protecting soldiers. Also in the battlefield, we
now have you know, the bandages have that stuff that's
made from crustacean shells that that have you know, stocks
the bleeding.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, absolutely right away. It's kind of like those stiptic
pins or whatever they're called for. Whenever you're shaving, it's
like a bunch of that kind of if you will,
you put.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
It right on there, you're you're clawting right away. Yeah,
it's pretty amazing. We're battlefield medicine. It's gone of course,
you know, I mean, look, we're not trying to promote
warfare here, but.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
No, no, no, no at all.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
But but but for sure, militaries have led the events,
particularly when it comes to health for centuries. I mean,
the reason we we learned how to defeat malaria is
because the army went to Cuba, and you know, and
then and then we were losing. We lost more soldiers
to malaria than anything else. And so the initial treatments
that the army developed for malaria, it proved to be
effective at least at that time. And you know, with
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things like methylico were developed by the US Army. You know,
although people were meficans fallen out of favor, But the
point is it was it was it was a first
line of defense for a long time. But military medicine
has always been ahead of much of civil society at
a necessity to save lives.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
True, And think about the technology that we use on
a daily basis too, that it comes from military research
development and of course the space programs as well, and
that that's helped with our technology. Well, imagine this.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
You know that William Shatner, Captain Kirk, got to live
long enough to use a communicator, a cell phone and
fly to space. He did.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
He was a ninety, right, and he's still alive kicking
all this fantasy exactly. The only one from the main
cast is still alive. I think right, original series. I
believe this No No Sula was still alive. Yeah, he
is still alive. Correct, Yeah, that's right. Yeah, they didn't.
They didn't allow him the cartoon. By the way, I
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don't know a lot I remember the series. They had
the continuation in cartoon format.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
George Takai and William Shatner, I think are the only
remaining original crew members still live.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Because I'm sorry, Yes, correct, he's craze lefty and I
was gonna say he's a lunatic left I don't care
that he's gay. I don't care that he's gay. It's
just a lefty nonsense he throws out that I don't
really care for.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
He's definitely a whack OFDLL. So so, speaking of military developments,
I don't know if you saw this. New York Times
ran a story about Ukraine and women, and the story
about the Ukraine whinny is that a lot of them
are pregnant, apparently because a lot of the cowards ran
off to Germany and Poland to escape the war. So
there's a massive shortage of men. And of course they've
had a lot of fatalities in combat, and so seventy
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thousand Ukrainian women have volunteered to serve in the Signal
Corps and you know, medical field and all kinds of things,
and a lot of these women are pregnant and they
serve until the seventh month of pregnancy. This is insane.
We don't allow women who are pregnant to deploy forward.
But you know, desperate times call for different mess desperate measures,
I guess. But it's pretty frightened because I'm sure that
a lot of these children are probably lost through you know,
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spontaneous abortions, miscarriages, combat, you know that sort of thing.
It seems to me to be rather fullhard to do that.
But I understand Ukraine's position, they're in desperation mode. But still,
I mean, that's it's pretty sad thing to see that
women in their seventh month are serving on the front
lines in the conflict.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
That's sick, right, yeah, absolutely. Well, let me ask you
if you weren't on last week Trump had this summit,
if you want to call it that, the meeting with
Putin there in Alaska, what are your thoughts about what
came out of that? Not much really came out of it,
what are your thoughts? Well, I think a lot came
out of it.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
We just don't know what came out of it because
they didn't disclose it. So that's that's my take on it.
I watched it, and I actually broadcast it before I left,
and my take on the whole thing was that it's
kind of what I expected. I didn't expect to see
any major news come out of that situation. I expected
to see that that they would meet and Trump would
then talk with the Europeans and Zelenski and try to
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sort something out. But I suspect that Trump kind of
gave put in the Riot Act and he said, listen, dude,
jigs up. We're not playing this game anymore. Joe Biden's
not here. We're not going to fuel Ukraine. But we're
also not going to you know, let you guys get
a free pass. You know, this is enough this blood letting.
You know. Trump has ended one war after another. I mean,
why is this guy getting multiple Nobel Peace Prizes. I mean,
he ended the war in the Congo, although it'll probably
(44:20):
start again, but he ended He ended the war and
the Caucuses that you know, it's just it's just he
kept North Korea from watching intercontinental blissed missiles his first
time around. You know, he the Abraham Accords, He ended
the war in Iraq, he ended the war in Afghanistan.
You know, the guy nobody's ended this many wars in
the history of human kind and they still look at
him unfavorably. It's it's it's a really a twisted world.
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The Nobel Committee full a bunch of leftist lunatics that
really need to get it up together. I know that
the Prime Minister, i think primister of Pakistan is nominated
Trump for the Peace Prize, and a couple others have
done it as well. It's time they give it to him.
They gave it to Barack Obama and then he started
three wars, yeah, and killed him Americans.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
You know, extra judicial remember that.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
I think they give it to a drama just before
or just as just after he went into office. It's
like he didn't even get a chance of doing anything already.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Gave it to him, right because they they what was
the one of the Nobels. One of the people on
the panel said it was because the ideas of what
he was talking about. It's why he got it. I'm like,
get out of here. You don't get you don't get
a peace prize cause the ideas you have. I could
sleep all day and have dreams, and like, do I
get peace prize cause of my dream?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (45:25):
I don't think so. Same thing.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
You know. The Nobel Committee gave Yasa Arafat a peace
prize and this guy's a noted terrorists and who'd never
done anything for peace, you know, And he realized the
Oslo Accords were there and they had agreement to first
two stage solution. And now we hear the left crying about,
let's have a two state solution. Well, the two state
solution was offered and ahu Barack lost his Prime ministership
because he put it all on the line. And you know,
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the the the Palestinians walked away from it because they
didn't want it. They don't want a two stage solution.
They wanted the elimination of the Jewish state. They want
the Jews driven into the seas. They want the Christians
driven into the sea. They want to change history in
the way that it never existed. You know, Christians were
there the long before, and Jews were there long before. Muslims. Uh,
they the Johnny come Lately's on the scene. It wasn't
until six twenty three that they emerged out of the
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Saudi Peninsula, and Christianity predates that by long ways, and
then Judy is by five thousand years.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
So listen, it's it's it's it's.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
It's interesting how the Nobel Committee just hands out these
things like bubble gum to noted terrorists. And Nelson Mandela
got one too, But to be fair, I think he
and the cleric deserved it because they had basically a
peaceful transition for the most part into post apartheid South Africa.
But yatsa era fat, give me a break, man, that's
just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah, oh, big, big time for sure. Yeah, they're just
them of the nose that people and that love freedom,
democracy and you know, liberty. That's what they were doing.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah. Well, the Trumpster, I don't think he's going to
get one because they just don't like Trump. But it's
a shame because he certainly deserves one for you know,
ending conflicts. He's the peacemaker. He's the biggest peacemaker seen
in living memory. I mean, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
I don't know, Chris, anybody who just takes office and
wins elections riles up the left by doing so, and
they go all the left people go out in the
street and riot and carry on with Antipha like they do.
I don't know, does he deserve one?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Well, Listen, I criticized Trump in the first term quite
a bit because the federal Gramy did very little stop
the insurrection in Seattle Capitol Autonomous.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Yeah, think about this. Trump has two people who ran
for president as Democrats, one had eventually had to run
as an independent. Talking about Kennedy in his cabinet right now,
think about that.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Yeah, Taulci Gabbert and RFK Jr.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
And Tulsi was here today at the convention. I got
to hear from her. She spoke for about twenty minutes,
and then after that the VA secretary came and spoke
about twenty twenty five minutes. They were both pretty good.
Several people were rumbling about, you know, Tulsi. You know,
it's like her politics, she's an opportunist this and that.
I said, yes, she may be an opportunist, but at
the same time, she's on the right side of this
at the moment. So you know, let's get and see
(48:01):
what happens.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
Where they get the idea she's an opportunist because she's
the one to put her neck out there. She's the
one that left the party and pretty much called them
all out nowhere to go.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
It was just a couple people standing sitting around, and
then a couple people disagreed with that. They're like, let's
give her a shot, you know, and see what happens.
And that's what I said. Let's give her a shot, folks.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
I'm one of those people that have served the Intelligence Committee,
and I don't think she's even remotely qualified to She's not.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I agree with you on that one. But at the
same time, I say, you know, give her a shot
to prove whether she's genuine or whether she's just being
an opportunist. You know, I think I was one of
I was one of those guys that thinks, okay, she's
an opportunist. But I want to see where it goes,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
I always I thought Taulsi Gabert was more about Tulsa Gabert, and.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
I agree, But I've come to the point now where
I want to see where it goes, to see if
I was right initially. That's what I want to do
right now.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
We're going to find out eventually, I mean, oh yeah,
oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
The true colors will come out if that if my
initial thought was right, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Did you guys see that Kamala Harris I believe broke
federal election law. Pretty confident she broke the federal election
law because what they did is that, you know, they
burned through one point five billion dollars in just fifteen weeks.
Do that? How do you do that? Trump spent like
a third of that and whipped her. You know, but
they won every every single battleground state and won electoral
college and the popular vote. But she burned through one
(49:21):
point five billion dollars in just fifteen weeks and wound
up twenty million in the whole. Remember that was initially
reported they were twenty million short. So apparently the Democratic
National Committee gave her the twenty million so she could
falsely claim that she had balanced books when her campaign
was over, and now she's pimping her donors to pay
back the Democratic National Committee. I'm pretty sure that violates
(49:42):
federal election law. But I guess we'll find out if
anyone goes after her. But I think most people just
don't just want to see the backside of Kamala Harrison.
No one wants to hear cackles again. She just yeah,
she's not running for government California. R.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
I'm glad you said. Speaking of California, I saw today
there was somebody posted and it said, you know, just
says a thousand words, you know, And it was Gavin
news him with his little security detailed his little entourage
walking by beside homeless people, him ignoring them, with a
nice latte in his hand, just walking like this and
nice sunglasses that were probably worth two three hundred bucks,
(50:15):
you know. And the sea was whearing probably his twelve
hundred dollars suit. That's crucive.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Gavy Newsom, all right, completely disconnected from the people, the
peasants of California that he's impoverished, to his stale policies.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
In that picture, there was a homeless guy kind of
looking back, kind of like trying to say, hey, hello,
give me and he just had was up latte walking forward.
Speaker 5 (50:34):
That was it.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
Oh, you you do realize he wants to run to
be president of the United States, but wasn't his own
people in California was trying to recall him. I mean,
I'm going to look as that for somebody whos there
of the presidential candidate.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
I've got family out there in California, and then some
of them are friends with a lot of Democrats, and
they're like, they're Democrat friends with like wanting to recall
him as well because he's so horrible. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
Well, I've lived in California twice. In the nineteen sixties
is a small child when my mother worked for the
La Biancas. Of course, yeah, they were murdered by the
Manson clan, but.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, the Tate Loveca murder as Wow, yeah she was.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
She was a teller at the grocery store at that
Lavianca is owned. And we left California after that, and
then I lived there as an adult and and I
can say that the land of Milk and Honey has
become lamb with the sewage and homelessness and then just
totally broken. And I haven't gone back to California since
twenty eighteen. That was enough. San Francisco was disgusting. People
take defecating on the streets. Yeah, I was out there
(51:28):
in the corner.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
I wasn thing out there. You had to go find,
did you.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
I was in San France a few years ago. Man,
you had to dodge turds on the side of the
road or the sidewalk, you know, people just defecating.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
Like you said, don't talk about it. I feel like
that they got you.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
You had a dodge turns yeah and yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
No, it's it's look I mean, I mean, I had
toothless prostitutes walk up to me after I walked out
of the mote. I mean, like I used my points
because I couldn't afford say that it was four hundred
and eighty five dollars to stay in a Hampton and
in San Francisco, and I walked. I didn't pat and
payta I used. I used a lot of points, like
one hundred thousand points the Hilton. And I walked out
the street to stretch my legs after I got there,
(52:04):
because I've flown in and took the train up there.
And I walked down the street and the toothless prostitute
comes up me and then I'm like sorry, sorry, And
then I look down the alley where she was trying
to come out of it, and I see rats the size
of docks and is running around, you know. And then
I walked to the corner and I got across the street.
It's like eleven o'clock at night, is drops his pants
and defecates right there on the street corner. I'm like,
what the heck? And then you know, I crossed the
(52:26):
street and I'm make sure I go around what he
left behind. And there's hypodermic needles on the street. And folks,
I'm not making this story up. This is this is
just three blocks from where the new Candlestick Park is
whatever they call that, whether they play you down on the.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Water right the beautiful stadium, and it's like you have that,
and we're all around there.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Yeah. And then and then the next day, as I'm
in the morning, as I'm walking two streets over into
the center of the heart of San Francisco, the shopping
dis and every thing, you know, like where the street
car comes down, it does a little turn around there
the ri Seroney moment. There the cops are walking around
with disheveled shirts, their guts hanging over their belts. Yeah,
the shirts on, button their cruisers with dense and rust
(53:04):
in them. I'm like, this is law enforcement. I mean, this,
this city is, this is completely gone. And of course
this is this is where Nancy Pelosi is representative of.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
Yeah, buddy, mine, he was out there. He said he
wentness a fist fighting like a police officer. He points
over and he goes, and the police officer goes.
Speaker 3 (53:19):
That was exactly whatever. They just tolerate everything out there,
and as a result, you have lawlessness, and you have
your drug addicts, and you have all kinds of problems
out there. It's a shame because San Francisco is a
lovely place. The last time I've been there before in
twenty eighteen was nineteen eighty nine, a month before the earthquake,
the North Ridg's earthquake, which was it was incredible. It
was an amazing city. I absolutely enjoyed. I stayed in
the pre city of San Francisco, so it was still
(53:39):
a US mid translation. And that's, of course, around the
time they filmed that movie The Presidio with Meg Ran.
Right after that, Yes, Sean Connery and what's his name,
the former USC guy, the guy played in n Cis
I think he was, And that was.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah, yeah quarterback, yeah, stand for quarterback yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know I'm talking about Dina. Yeah,
So that that was they filmed that, and they did
that at the Officer's Club, and I was staying right
there by the Officer's Club. So it's pretty cool. But
it was a fantastic time out there. But then I
came back in twenty eighteen, like, ough, this this city
is is gone. It's so sad to see. And it's
still outrageously ridiculous expensive to do anything in San Francisco
(54:22):
and it's just gone dogs. It's such a shame. California
was such a paradise and it's just been ruined by
out of control illegal immigration and leftist political authorities did
have nothing but disdain for tax paying citizens.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yeah, Lucas Films and I think Indose were like Magic
has some offices right there in the presidio. We got
to do a minor tour of some of that and
walk through some of the office which was cool. Friend
of mine who I was on the trip with, he
knew some people who worked there, so they got to stand,
we got to walk around. It's kind of cool seeing
all that stuff. Erotic.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
We were active due to military members and you know,
we have to get permission to enter the presidio. You
know that was that was that was a military base
for three hundred and fifty almost fourty years. Yeah, the Spanish,
the Spanish founded it with It's why it was presidio.
It's it's been ever since. But yeah, so folks, I'm
still in England, uh, and I'll be here. So next week,
wherever I'm at, I'll i'll try to dial in from
(55:12):
there and see how it goes and and well, uh,
we'll chat again. But you guys got the next hour.
I'm sure you've got plenty to talk about. The Trumpsters
keeping everybody busy and on their toes here, a lot
of people complaining that he's become a socialist because.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
We have a stake in Intel. Now, yeah, we'll be
safe over there. Hopefully we get a get some more
updates on rugby next week. I'll look forward to that.
I'm not check it out on ESPN and try to
get into it.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
It's a fantastic game and I think you'll find it interesting.
The problem with rugby and States is you can't find
in a broadcast network, so you have to have a
lot of subscriptions. All right, folks, that's the first hour.
I'm gonna hand it off to my colleagues TODM. McKinley
and John Groven for the next hour. Thanks and from England,
cheers and enjoy the rest of the evening.
Speaker 5 (55:53):
Take care, guys, WSMN fifteen ninety WSMN ninety five point
(56:19):
three FM, NASHAUA listen watch in stream at WSMN dot Live.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
All right, folks, we're back on the Comonssistant service. I'm
Tommy Kinley. I'm joining you from Tampa, not in Northeast Tennessee.
As usual, John Grobner hold down the studio, and of
course Colonel Chris White was on in the first hour.
He had to drop off. And I just got a
note from somebody saying that that our live stream has
probably dropped off. And I just checked a few of
the places that I posted, and I think it has stopped.
But for those who generally watch it on online, on
(56:48):
social media or whatever, I think we're gonna take a
quick look at that see what happens. But you can
look at WSMN dot Live. That's w SMN dot Live
and listen to it.
Speaker 3 (56:59):
There.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Person who just text him and who listens to the
show quite regularly in Tennessee let me know that the
live stream was down, but they are online listening to
it on the live stream on the radio station's website
w sm and dot Live. Folks, just so you know,
we'll take a look at that, see what happens. If
we can't get it back up tonight, no problem there.
You could certainly stream us later on download us at
(57:21):
many different podcast locations, Spotify in several places, Rumble, Twitch,
et cetera, et cetera. But yeah, it is down, I
guess at the moment, not a big deal. We're gonna
truck right along. Colonel Chris White gonna be still in
England next week, and of course he'll be coming back,
as he said just before he dropped off there, you
know mid September. He loves some travel, doesn't he, John.
Speaker 4 (57:45):
He does. Chris likes being a world traveler. He's quite
good at it, obviously, right. But yeah, I know, we
all we are definitely not live on Facebook any along
we were at one time. I don't know what's going
on with Facebook, Todd All I do. I do Patriot
Confederation with Billy in Tuesday nights and never even come
up on Facebook. So when I build it up, it
creates an event, and when we go live, it comes
(58:06):
out that event and goes into the normal post uh page.
And and I didn't do it last night tonight. It
went in there and I'm both spoke because we do
comments and conservatives on Facebook and also we have Truckers Broadcasting,
so I put it on both sites and there are
two different pages and both of them are are definitely
(58:26):
so Facebook just stinks. Well, we do have YouTube. If
you like the visuals and you want to comment, you
can go to Truckers and Brought Back Casting Network or
t IBN on YouTube. It feel free to subscribe. Why
you're there, I can use a few extra subscribers. I
got so few, but uh yeah, you can go there
and catch it if you want to, if you want
to comment and there.
Speaker 2 (58:48):
Yeah, we gotta we gotta comment here from South Africa,
Haint greetings from South Africa. Early morning goodness, and I'm like, yeah,
absolutely appreciate you guys watching and listen down there. And
if you're just joining us from South Africa. Colonel Chris
why I did, had to jump off here in jolly
old England, London and he'll be there until September covering
the Women's World Cup rugbat, which is which is interesting
and of course, like I said, I in the first
(59:10):
hour watched a little bit of the women's of the
the American and against England, and I was like, man,
this is kind of interesting. But the US was getting
their butts swooped and it was almost to the end
of it. So I just went went a haad and
turned it off. But apparently it was an interesting game
early on. But you know that the England just blew
it wide open. And I think there I think favored
as Chris said them were or did he say New Zealand.
(59:31):
I believe it was to the top teams in the world,
which is which you know, I get it. You're gonna
get beat, get beat by the best team in the world.
That's the way I look at.
Speaker 4 (59:38):
It, right, Well, sometimes the best team in the world
has a bad day.
Speaker 2 (59:41):
Well that's true. There's a saying here in America that
you know, it goes with the NFL football. With any
given Sunday, right, any given Sunday or any given day,
the worst team can beat the best team. You know,
you are a professional teams. It doesn't mean just because
you're the best team that you're always gonna win. It
does happen. People get upset on a regular But whenever
you play like baseball, for example, or basketball over the
(01:00:01):
course of a season where you play series Uh, generally
the better team is gonna win the majority of those games,
but not necessarily every game.
Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
Well, I remember when the Patriots absolutely stun They were
like like the bottle used to them in Tampa Bay.
They were neck for neck for losing, and suddenly, man,
they just put together the dream team.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
You know. Then, yeah, that goes back there whenever the
owner ship, I'm blanking the guy's name, and yeah Craft,
thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
And then of course Bill Belicheck. And then you had
Drew Bledsoe if you remember him, he played for I
think wash Washington or Washington Washington State or yeah, Washington
stateably was out of college, one of the top quarterbacks
during that time. Uh, got him, got him on the map,
and actually got them into the super Bowl, and and
and then watched his name? Who's that guy who won
all those super Bowls for them? Do you know his name?
Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Pretty pretty boy. They're gonna they're gonna make a memorial
over now.
Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Yeah, yeah, what's his name? Greatest quarterback of all time?
To go?
Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
I don't know this, TV. Do you remember your remembers
named Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
I did, Okay, I started to believe you myself.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
No, No, but he was a rookie that year, I believe, right, Uh,
and he came in later in the later in that
season and got him in. They won the Super Bowl,
and of course Drew Blood so won that his won
super Bowl that that particular with Tom Brady as a rookie,
I think, or maybe it was Tom Brady's second year.
I can't remember, Uh, early early in Tom Brady's career,
(01:01:28):
and of course that was the handoff. Tom Brady from
that point was the quarterback. But he inherited, you know,
a really good team to help start hit his career,
uh during that time. And of course they just built
from that point on and built a great team around
Tom Brady won all those super Bowls and of course,
you know, I tipped the cap to him, and of
course the Patriots, Uh, they put into the sweat equity
(01:01:48):
and of course they put a lot of money into it,
but they deserve to win. They were a better team.
Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Yeah. I think they had some uh, really good coaches,
really good strategist, really good play. They just been used to.
Like you said, they put a lot of money into it.
They do the right picks and they made a great
team and they kept it. They had a formula. It's
what they did. If you ever noticed the Patriots, man,
they wouldn't be coming in so hot. They could be
losing their butts off, but that second half they'd be
(01:02:13):
nailing it, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Oh absolutely, yeah they would. They would adjust tack or whatever,
and you back out there and go at it.
Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
It was like they were just great under pressure. I mean,
I'm not a big football fanatic or anything. I'm very
seldom watched, to be honest, but they've had all right. No,
I did see some of the Super Bowls and I
sit there and watch them against the Eagles, and I'm
telling you, man, first half they were getting slaughtered. The
second half they started making a comeback. That last quarter
they nailed them left and right. I mean they just
took that and run. They were done.
Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
It was like, I have people rotten for the Eagles
with me sitting in the room, and they just had
this dumb look on their face, like I don't believe
what just happened. Well, I'm laughing my butt off because
this is just how they operate.
Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Right, absolutely, you know. And it's funny. I go back,
you know, watching football, and I wouldn't watch every Sunday
or somebody you know, watched some big games and I'd
watch the Super Bowl obviously, you know, I remember, I
remember the Bills, you know, when they lost all those
Super Bowls and everybody's like, oh, the Bills sucked. The
Bill suck. First off, they're in the Super Bowl, for
crying out loud. They dominate during the season. You can't
(01:03:09):
you can't go after them just because they lost the
Super Bowl. Yeah, they didn't close the deal. But guess what,
you can't say that they're not one of the greatest teams,
you know, in history by making that many Super Bowls.
You know what I'm saying at that at that point
in Bill's history, maybe not of all time, but one
of the greatest teams during that period. You can't take
that away from You can't fault that.
Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Well, it's like the Steelers had to run for a
while with Bradshaw and of course Cowboys. I mean, they
haven't won a Super Bowl in well since God was
a kid. But remember Roger stall Back and Tony Dorsett
back in the day. We're talk about way back in
the day now.
Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Yeah, but you got to think about this with the
Steelers at the Cowboys and then of course the Patriots.
That's your three, you know, with regards to Super Bowl
that they had the most Super Bowls amongst those three. Yeah, Patriots,
and I believe Steelers is second, then Cowboys is right
there in the running for maybe third, I.
Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Guess I think so like you went toumb one early
nineteen eighties, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Yeah, Cowboys were winning those Super those last they won three,
three or three in like four years, right, they won
two back to back. I think Jimmy Johnson he left
and Barry Switzer came in and he won one with him, right,
he left Oklahoma and came to Dallas and won another
Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
I believe the details that well man.
Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Something like that. Yeah, yeah, well, I like I grew
up liking the Cowboys and they were the team that
was winning whenever I was born, you know, And of
course I watched them through the eighties and into the nineties,
and of course, you know, I don't really watch sports
these days. You know, I like the brains growing up.
Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
And I was a guy who loved football. Yeah, well,
I like to play. You know, we had three people.
We had some action going on. It might be just
the ball and stuff, but you know, we had something
going on four people little sand lot action. Yeah, we
got a whole group of kids together. Man, we were
tearing each other up big time.
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
You would tackle, you do everything, you.
Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
Know, Yeah, we held nothing you.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
You wouldn't go ahead to head and hit you, but
you would tackle for sure. You know. It'd be more
like wrapping, wrapping up down low or hit them, you know,
mid sex. But you were trying to hurt somebody. But yeah,
we played tackle for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Well you don't go spearing them or something.
Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
No, nothing like that. No, nothing like that. And you
wouldn't do some sort of crazy like shoulder hit where
you break a collarbone. But occasionally you would though occasionally.
Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Would it could happen. I mean we've had I mean,
you know, covered a day or two.
Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
But absolutely. But you know, whenever University of Tennessee football
was on, we'd stop playing. We'd go watch the game,
and if they weren't playing night, we go watch the game,
go back out and start playing again, you know, or
watch them. If there was a big game like say
Notre Dame Michigan, we'd stop watch that game, you know,
and go back out and play.
Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Yeah, back in the days when you knew it was
time to go home and the street lights came on, and.
Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Yeah, oh yeah, well we had we had flood lights
around our house, and we would try to play like
night night football and a night with football and stuff
out in the yards and stuff like that. But at night,
because you didn't have like stadium lights, you know, you're
using you know, flood lights and some some lights in
the in the driveway. You change your rules a little
bit for night time, you know, to to which is cool.
Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Did you get to your dad's shoe polish and put
the black line under your eyes?
Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
No, nothing like that. I actually had the black stick,
by the way, I think I still did.
Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
You.
Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
I went through my old baseball stuff a few years ago,
and I don't know that I kept it in there,
but I still had a couple of those sticks. There's
a little I don't know what they're what they're called,
but uh, you know, we still had a couple of those.
They were dried out as all hack. I think I
left them in there just for nostalgia. You know, my
little bat bag that we had.
Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
Uh yeah, I don't think I had anything like that.
I don't know. I don't even know if it worked
or not, but I remember it you know, people would
have to draw the light.
Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
I had the cool baseball glasses that would flip up,
you know, they just kind of go straight back. You
had a little strap on that.
Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
Those were cool, oh sports glasses.
Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Yeah, yeah, and you just pop it down, catch it
pop up so cool. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
Back in the day, man, back in the day was
a different place.
Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Yeah, it helped you catch that pop plot that you
would have lost in the sun had you not had
those cool sunglasses on them and that little black you
know whatever whatever it's called. I don't even know. The
blackout stuff, blackout whatever, you know, not black face. Folks,
don't try to play us on that one. No, no,
they said black face. No we did not. We said
the black stick stuff that goes under the eyes helps
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block helps Basically, what it does it blocks the glare
from your cheeks. That's what it does. Yeah, because whenever
you're looking up because you get that glare, it helps
keep that out and it helps you find the ball
a little bit easier. Obviously, if the suns in your eyes,
it's not going to help you that way, but it
does help a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
I've always been told that it was too absorb the
light away from your eyes. That my idea of catching
a pop fly was shielding in the sun with one
hand and using the glove with the other, going like.
Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
This and hold your hold your let glove hand up.
Maybe I did that one time. I wasn't playing T ball.
I think it was my first year in T ball.
You know. They put me playing the catcher and te
ball because all the other guys were older than I was.
I was like the youngest guy on the team, so
they put me playing catcher. And here I was. They
I think it was a throw from like third base
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or some maybe shortstop home and I kind of closed
my eyes, put my glove out and went like this
and caught the ball and tagged somebody out. And everybody's like, yeah,
great catch, great tag. And I'm like, I didn't see
the catch at all.
Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
I closed my eyes and I liked, huh, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Played it off. I was like, yeah, no big deal.
And and in that game I got a good hit too,
you know, so I was like the hero of the
game or something. I was like, all right, it feels good.
Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
It feels good. It's all, but it feels good.
Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
It was.
Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
It was a fluke, you know. I kind of had
a squinty kind of doing like this, and I caught it.
Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
No problem was they hit your glove. You knew was
there and you just squeezed right.
Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
The fundamentals at that point kicked in is like once
you can close it, clinch it, put the other hand
over it to make sure it doesn't bounce out. If
it does, you can hold it. I put the tag
on the person and got got her out, and it
was a girl that I talked out. Oh my god,
you remember exactly who it was too.
Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
By the way, I'm not gonna playing girls. You're playing
against girls on man t ball.
Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
So you had girls in there. You know it's T ball.
Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
So what gate or something?
Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Yes, I don't know how probably I think kindergarten. That's
how old it was. So it was really yeah, yeah,
and I played on the Pirates. Loved it.
Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
You remember it cuent pretty well, Todd.
Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
I remember the teams I was on. Come on, now, hey,
I've been somewhere before and I and I've told people like, yeah,
my first team I was on. I was on the Pirates,
and people thought, oh, you're in the big leagues, And sure,
I didn say it was a major league baseball the
little Bloomingdale Optimus League or Bloomingdale Recreation League. U uh,
you know t ball and pitch baseball league. Baby, it
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was babe, both league. Yeah, yeah, big leagues for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Nobody got to know, right, it felt like the big
leagues to you.
Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Absolutely. It was fun. You know, it was a good time.
You know, I loved it, loved you know, we played
played I think till twelve years old in that in
that in those leagues, you know, you had the different
pitch leagues and then of course from that did some
travel baseball, high school, and you know onwards from there
to the big leagues. You know, yeah, the Army not
that he Yeah, that's about that. Good times though.
Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
So how do you feel about Trump using the National Guard?
I mean, are you feeling okay with that?
Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
I am with regards because I mean DC is a mess,
I mean overrun. You know, you got to clean it up.
And if you use the National Guard appropriately, you know,
he has ever every right, every authority. And of course
d C is not a state, okay, So d C
is a federal city that allows from some autonomy and
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that's why you have a mayor city council and all
that and some local you know, you have police, et cetera.
But Congress is essentially are the people who oversees that,
you know what I'm saying, as they should. Our nation's
capital should never be a state. It should be kind
of a quasi neutral zone, if you will. You know
what I'm saying. The left wants to make it a state.
So you have two senators and one or two representatives.
(01:10:54):
I'm like, we're not going to stack the deck that way.
Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
I don't know what it is about capitals of states
and capitals of the nation, but it sure he gets
in an in the day with leftists.
Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Well, generally metropolitan and urban areas generally have more people
that are on the left for sure. Uh, and people
that live out kind of you know, out in other
communities and stuff like. Generally those people are more independent
minded type people, you know what I'm saying. They're they're
more handy. Uh, they don't need a lot of the
services to to to get by. They don't need all
the conveniences because they're they're generally more hardy people.
Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Self sustaining. They know how to get by on their own,
and they don't they don't need me.
Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Maybe not necessarily self sustaining. But but they can go
out and work and they're handy, they're crafty, they can build,
and of course they can repair stuff. Versus people in
the cities. They don't really necessarily have those skills. I'm
not saying that they all of them don't, but many
people don't because they don't have to. You know, if
you live in apartment complexes or housing projects, whatever, generally
you're not doing a lot of things that other people
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are doing that have houses in suburban areas or farms
and things of that nature. Yeah, it's it's it's it's
it's just it's just a difference to the way you live,
in the way you're born raised. It's not no flight
to anybody necessarily.
Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
Though, right so, Philip, you missed the Colonel. I'm sorry.
He's here for the first hour, but since he's overseas tonight,
he's not gonna he could be state for the second
hour because it's late in England. But thank you for
joining us, though I hope you'll stay for a bit,
maybe you'll enjoyed a little bit of what we're doing here.
So for the National Guard, the thing about it is
people don't realize Trump has a legal authority. Yeah, has
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a legal like he's talking about Illinois. Technically, Trump has
the illegal authority. Let me read this to you. I
did this last night. I'm gonna go ahead and do
this night on this show for different listeners. According to
ten of the US Title Codes, Title ten US Code
Section two fifty three, interferance with state and federal law,
the President, by using the militia or the armed forces,
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or both, or by any other means, she'll take such
measures as he considers necessary to suppress in a state
in the insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if
it won so hinders the execution of the laws of
the state. And if the United States, within the state,
that any part or a class of its people is
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deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in
the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities
of the state are unable, fail or refuse to protect
that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection,
or to opposees or structure the execution of the laws
of the United States, or impedes the course of justice
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under those laws. I think that's a pretty deep broad
I mean, that's a pretty big law for a couple
of paragraphs. But if I'm reading that correctly, and if
I understand that correctly, Todd, pretty much Trump can use
the armed forces. So like the southern border, he didn't
have to put a wall down there. Technically he could
have took the armed forces down there, to Texas, to
New Mexico and Arizona and now one of those states
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could have done a thing. Even California, they couldn't do
a darn thing against them, And he could have used
armed forces down there. There were times when drug cartels
were use the helicopters and uh uh, military grade firearms
against our border patrol agents. Now Trump could be putting
a tank down there and shooting them out of the
sky and not a thing anybody in this country could
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do or say about it.
Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Yep, absolutely, you know, he can't use you know, the
military as law enforcement, you know within the borders of
the US like posse coomatatas. Now they can back up
you know, the local law enforcement as they're doing in
DC uh and things of that nature. But there are
certain restricts that that are in place for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
But he can't broadband it said armed forces, militia or
any boy any other means, by any other means necessary. Well,
I mean back, if you go the twenty twenty election,
when he was talking about election fraud, he technically could
have been shutting things down for investigative purpose, using the
military to investigate for there.
Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Yeah, there's limitations though with her, you know, there's insurrection,
armed rebellion, things change. Obviously, he can use the military
as militaries intend it, but posse comatadis law still still apply,
so they can't really be police officers out pulling people
over this and that they can augment the.
Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
Dec obviously, not using the armed forces, right people, speeding tickets, no, no, no,
And of.
Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Course you can't force people to house the military in
your houses things of that nature. It's against the constitution obviously.
But he can use them to augment law enforcement, you know,
do a lot a lot of things that to free
up law enforcement to go actually pursue crimes. They can
observe things, they can do roadblocks, they can do checks,
they can do you know, they can stop people do
and do do driver's license checks and things of that nature.
Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
They can make the rest with the help of civilian
officers so in twenty twenty it was brought up.
Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
But D's a federal city, so it does change the
dynamic a little bit, if you will. Now, if he
sends some people over and endo Virginia or Maryland, that
would be a different situation obviously. Yeah, but the fact
that DC's a federal city, I have less of an
issue with this for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
So in twenty twenty, Trump was he was, I mean,
come up in the comments earlier, and Trump was part
acting federal properties, judicial buildings and things like that, courthouses,
and it was being highly criticized by the left for
doing so. But according to what I read, he had
the legal authority to do it. He had an obligation
to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Yep, you know it's true. You got that, right, Yeah,
he had the Well, part of his oath is essentially
to take care that the laws are faithfully executed, right.
Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
Yeah, and protect the executive law.
Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Right. Detecting federal buildings is part of part of that.
Protecting life, limb, eyesight, and buildings, property, et cetera. Absolutely,
that's taxpayer property. And I don't want my property destroyed.
I don't want my house destroyed, and I don't want
the federal buildings that I had to pay for and
then would have to pay to rebuild or repair to
be destroyed. I'm sorry. I'd rather keep my tax dollars
in my pocket if I can.
Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
Absolutely, and that's what they were doing and why they
were teared on statues. They're doing all sorts of things
that I mean, the FBI did a fairly decent job.
I mean, they use official recognition software and things like
that where they can identify prop traders during these events
so they don't have to go running out there Johnny
on the spot start making arrest. They don't do their damage,
just commit the crimes, and they come back about, you know,
two three weeks later and say, oh, by the way,
you're under arrest, right, And a lot of people don't
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realize that you fouled the FBI. Even in twenty twenty,
a lot of those people were being arrested. Now, whether
Kamala Harrison and Act Blue group and all that was
getting them out of trouble, that's a whole other issue,
you know, I mean liberal judges and stuff. In fact,
we had here you asked about New Hampshire and I
found out thing about a killer who was freed So
a guy was before a judge and the judge freedom
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without bail, and he went back and killed his wife.
Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
Of course of these liberal judges, man, they get out
of hand.
Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
They don't want to they don't want to hold people
accountable for their actions. I don't know what. I don't
know the details. I don't know why he was before the judge,
but she let him out. It wasn't judge, excuse me,
it was a magistrate and nobody he would look over, uh,
to assess these things before it goes to the judge.
Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
I think, yeah, yeah, I think magistrates have have I
think a different everywhere, but essentially they're there to hear bail,
bond things of that nature, I believe.
Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
Yeah, kind of take up some of the slack for
the judges.
Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Yeah, and I think they can issue like search forms
and things of that nature. I don't believe magistrates here
court cases or anything like that. No, I could be wrong. No,
I don't think wells administrative judge, right, I think.
Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
Something like that. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, no, so you know,
but these local judges, they just think they go too far.
You know, they're turning people loose on the streets. Shouldn't
be turned on the streets. And sometimes they're throwing the
book of people like I don't know, J Sixers right
for what he walked into a building, in which case
they opened the doors and pretty much took you to
go on in.
Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
I mean, yeah, come on in. This isn't a trap.
We're not in trapping you at all. No, come on
in here. We like you.
Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
Yeah, according to that code I was reading, Now, that's
pretty broad. I don't know, I thought that was pretty broad.
I found that quite some time ago, when I was
looking at that kind of assassin. Then I thought that
was pretty broad power for the president. It And like
I was telling the guys last night, you know, I
was speaking to Ram Paul here at the Granite State
Gun Range over here in Hudson, New Hampshire. Okay, And
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this was in twenty sixteen when he's running against Trump
for president, and I asked him, I like, so, what
are we going to do about all these out of
control regulatory agencies? I mean, this is terrible. I mean, you,
as a US senator, I mean we got to we
gotta do something. I mean, if you, if you, if
you went president, great, he goes, well, that's why we
need to elect a good president, right because these and
this is the reason why, because the powers they have
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are incredible, the abilities they have are incredible. But to
stand down. Okay, So we had this trucker issue where
three people died in Florida here a little while ago,
and it turns out he's an illegal alien who wasn't
supposed to be issued a CDO license commercial driver's license. Yeah,
he was by the state of California. We got to
the laws to prevent this sort of thing from happening.
But people like Gavin Newsom say, oh no, no, we
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don't do that. You just go ahead and give him
the license anyway and send them out there. So they
start the laws and there's there's really nothing you can
do about this, right, I Mean, a governor decides he's
just not going to execute the law. He's not going
to execute the law. But President says in Obama prior
to that, had put a standown order against English proficiency.
So if a guy rolls into a way station and
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the officer can't communicate with him because he doesn't speak
English very well, we might know about two words of
the English dictionary. Obama had an executive order saying you
couldn't put him out of service, you had to let
them go, right, huh. So these are people who are
in a position to execute the law, they have these
powers to do so, but they stand down on it literally,
I mean, just deliberately write an executive order to prevent
(01:20:36):
it from happening. Right, It's ridiculousness. So look at a
law like that, you know you stopped thinking, Wow, we
really got to think before we elect. And it's not
just the president, but it's people make a legislative decisions too,
things that they're doing. You know, you can't sit there
and keep electing people that are just ridiculous. Don't even
know half the laws that they're supposed to be out
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there legislating about. You know, there's laws out there already
on the books. And it's Collie Kelly. Don't give Kelly
a credit on that one. Back in the day she
as us Center. She says, we don't need to make
more laws. We need to find a way to enforce
the laws we already have.
Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Right, Yeah, I mean, there's there's so many things that
are on the books that you know, people violate on
a daily basis that if somebody wanted to be technical.
They could get you on. You know, we need to
start repealing a lot of these things.
Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
I remember there's like local ordinances in some towns, like
you can't drive a car, you know, in the town
square on a Saturday morning because you know, farmers you're
bringing their horses and and and and goods to sell
them at market, so you.
Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
Can here's the horses. Yeah right, you know, And I.
Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Know in my hometown that that was on the books
for up until like the apparently recording my dad, I like,
up until the fifties or something. You know.
Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
Yeah, it's nonsense. Yeah, no, that's why when we had
Don Buldeck in him, we wereving Don Bolta did ASTHMA says,
would you do something the way of legislative reviews? See
in an administrative procedure, they have what's called regulatory review,
and regulatory agents are supposed to review their regulations periodically
to make determinations whether effectual, they need changes, modifications, or
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just repeal them. And it helps keep things from getting
sloppy or supposed to do. They don't do it often enough.
I don't think they do it at all really half
the time. But with legislations, we have the same sorts
of problems. We got nonsensical laws, we got contradictory laws
in some cases. Where I brought this up before on
this show and other shows, is Supreme Court rulings where
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especially in Second Amendment, you know you got a right
to transport your firearms. You got to right to firearms
is a form of defense under the under the Constitution.
And to be forced to store your firearm without ammunition
under lock and key or in a box and stuff
like that, it's not ready available for defense, therefore violates
the US Constitution. States still have laws, they still talk
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about this. We hear people going into Congress all the
time saying, hey, you know what, when I make Congress,
we're going to push for laws where you have to
lock up your gun. It's like, don't you know about
the Supreme Court ruling? I mean, do you know not
know anything?
Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Also, how are you going to enforce a law like that?
You know what I'm thinking, I mean, you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
Do Well, it comes down to if there's an accident
in the house and a gun's discharged, and wellmer was
under lock and key. Now it becomes known, right, I mean,
they can't come to your house and inspect.
Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
But but if a kid gets a hold of your gun,
or anybody gets a hold of your gun, I think
it's on you as as the responsible gun owner anyway,
you know you, I think you as an individual have
a responsibility to keep it out of the kid's hands
for sure, keep it and keep it locked up whatever.
I don't think the government should should be able to
tell you that you have to lock it up. I
think as a responsible thought, if you have kids around
that can potentially get to it, young kids especially who
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don't know the difference, even if you're teaching them the difference.
I think you have a responsibility to keep things locked
up and away from them, for sure. But I think
you also, at the same time have every right to
protect yourself, keep it low, to keep it wherever you
want to, but also at the same time keep it
away from kids.
Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
Well you do, I mean your children. You want to
protect them, right, I mean it's natural for even fathers,
much responsible person protect your children. First. My first action, well,
my daughter was maybe five years old. I take the
fire arm out with her and sure the damage you
can do. That's the first thing I want to teach
my kid what kind of damage is going to do
and why this is not a toy. You don't play
with these things.
Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
I was in elementary school, kindergarten, first grade learning about
this stuff. You know, before and of course after, you
got taught a lot of the gun safety, this and that.
In first grade, I was shooting a little twenty two.
I think you had an eight shot pistol, you know
what I mean? Revolved?
Speaker 4 (01:24:27):
Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
But we were doing it responsibly, and we learned about
firearms safety up and down range, how to hold it,
where to point it, not to point it, things like that.
And of course it was such a small caliber. It's
not going to hurt you as you're shooting. It's like
a little pop pop pop, you know nothing.
Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
Yeah, when you learned, I think, well, I got a
twenty two. And they're great for target. They're cheap. You
can just sit there and target practice all day long.
Play you blow three hundred rounds across next to nothing, right, Yeah,
And so I give her the twenty two and she's
over there popping away. We're at the gun range and
she's popping away on the thing. I go, he got
used to that one relatively quick. So now I give
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her the nine millimeter, which is hers, and she fired
down when she turned to looks us, I don't like
this one to give me the other one back a
little kick to it. But you know, people, but they
grow used to it. Once you get used to it,
and you use it enough, practice with it enough, you
that kick really isn't that much of a kick. You
realize that's not what you thought it was. It just
seems stunning at first. But education is key with firearms,
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and we used to. I don't know, I don't know
when it quit happening, but you get images and stuff.
In the nineteen fifties, they had firearms training in schools.
And I'm not talking about hig Schools'm talking about like
elementary schools, middle grade schools. They were having firearms trained.
They were teaching kids how to handle firearms. Yeah, there's
no better or safer way than to teach them how
to handle them so they understand again the dangers of
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missues in them, and they understand how to operate them safely.
Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Yeah. I remember in fifth grade, I remember people not
students but adults who had brought rifles and pistols in
as part of a class to teach us that basically,
how to if you see this, you know, what do
you do and all that stuff. And if you do
happen to hold one, here's how you hold it safely.
Don't point it at your friends. This and that. This
is what it can do. It can kill you, it
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can hurt you whatever, it can kill other people. Don't
don't mess with it, you know, teaching you the safety
if you will, the responsibility angle of the whole thing. Now,
all of a sudden, you even talk about a gun
in school. Everything's on lockdown. And I'm not trying to
make light of a school shooting or anything like that,
you know, But I'm like, we should be talking about
things in our society that people need to know about.
And guns are a part of our society one way
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or another, whether you're a police officer, whether you're just
use them for home protection, hunting, whatever, they're out there.
We should know how to react if we see one.
Don't flip out, don't lose your mind about it, you know,
just don't touch if you don't know how to handle
it and how to be responsible with them. I think
it's it makes sense because so many kids have been
killed just by them thinking it's a toy or just
playing around with it, not knowing anything, and until you
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shoot somebody. You know how any siblings have killed, you know,
a brother or sister or something like that, just because
they didn't know any better.
Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
Accidental discharge. Actually thought it was like a captain or something.
I remember a story from way back in the day
where a law forcement officer come home, removed his firearm
and sit on the table, you know, And this is
what you call being complacent. He sat on the table
and of course his young son picks it up while
he's not looking at it, and he's pointing at his father,
the police officer. Now the police officer quick on his feet,
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he says, hey, I see you found my gun. I'll
bet you you can't shoot that light out because he
realized the kid was like threatening to squeeze the trigger
around him, so he redirected him to something. Of course,
when the kids squeezed the trigger, he fell back on
his hind quarters and and learned a lesson. But yeah,
so yeah, you know, you got it. You can't be
complacent with him. But the idea was is that he
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redirected the kid. He didn't. He didn't just send there
in a panic and do nothing right.
Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Well, speaking of school shootings in Minnesota, Day obviously we've
talked about that earlier. Of course the news is hit
on it. This is according to Newsmax Walls Governor Walls
urged to boost non public schools security two years ago,
and it says over two years ago Wednesdays to shooting
at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Governor Tim Waltz
was urged to address security concerns that quote non public
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schools end quote in the state, the Daily Wire report
and the course it says, quote we are writing on
behalf of our respective organizations regarding the urgent and critical
need in Minnesota to make sure our schools are security states,
considering the most recent continuing attacks on our schools in
this country and in our state, wrote Jason at Adkin,
EXECUTI director of the Minnesota Catholic Conference and Tim Vince,
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President of men Dependent in an April twenty twenty three letter.
What are your thoughts on that? I think, you know,
if it's a private school, I think that the school
is kind of responsible for the security. If you have
a non public school, what do you think? I mean?
Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
Here, Well, you think anybody that I know. Okay, over
here in Hudson have pm A as a Catholic school.
My daughter attended school there. You go, well there to
the eighth grade, right, and I remember going there to
get her or something, you know, like after class stuff.
But the doors were locked. Yeah, you know, I couldn't
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just walk into the school or wander around the school.
And of course here my wife working over here at
the local schools in Nashville, they do the same thing.
They put window stops or the windows open up just
so high so that we can climb through the windows
and things like that. They take precautions. So you think
the school it self would use some I mean just
common sense right in the title of the show, just
(01:29:38):
common sense you some sort of precautions prevent people from
just accessing the school.
Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Yeah, yeah, I did say. I didn't say I think
private schools or should be responsible for their own security.
But at the same time I should probably say, you know,
internal internal to the building. You know, we're as in
schools like public schools. We have RSOs, if your srs
excise me school resource office. Oh yeah, yep, internally the schools.
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I think the schools should be responsible for that security aspect,
because it's it's a non public school but outside you know,
the grounds, et cetera. I think obviously the police should
have every right to patrol and be on campus, et cetera.
But as far as the SROs are concerned, since it's
a non public school, I think, you know, it should
be respond the individual schools should be responsible. I mean
(01:30:22):
I could be wrong on that. There could be some
sort of agreement that could be reached, you know, which
makes sense, But that's just a thought that comes to mind.
Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
Yeah, I don't know, there's there's a lot of laws
regarding safety and stuff like that, you know, securing the
schools and stuff. I don't know if they have any
laws of Minnesota regarding what the private schools have to
have some kind of security or or be able to
lock up the building or what they do. But it
seems to me, you know, the best, the best defense
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against the weapon. Look, cops aren't going to be sitting
on your front door twenty four to seven. They're not
there to product just you. You are your first line
of fence. And if the government's going to require you
to take your kids to school, to have your kids
at school, then they should provide some sort of line
of defense in the schools. It's a private school, and
I think that would work out with the clientele of
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that school. That somebody should be working something out the
floating the idea of maybe we need armed teachers. Now
when some teachers come in, well, I'm not there to
be a police officer. I'm there to be a teacher.
But some teachers are like, oh, give me the chance,
I'll pack into heat any day. They've got they've got
lockdown systems with doors and stuff where people can't penetrate
through doors, so if there is an emergency, they can
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So I mean, you know, it's just a matter of
taking the right cautions and it's personal responsibility for everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Yeah, but you telling me arming teachers, if you will,
then all of a sudden, now, all of a sudden,
now their focus is are they the main person who's
charge of security? You know, then all of a sudden,
they're not teaching, you know what I'm saying. They should
be focused on the teaching that the kids, and of course,
your your principles, et cetera. Should be responsible for discipline.
You're your SROs. And maybe maybe an appointed administrative officials
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in charge of security and things of that nature. I
can understand that, but you know, arming teacher.
Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
To me, to me, no, what I hear? What I
hear on that is, I hear why put a fire
extinguisher in the kitchen for the cook? Right, He's not
there to fight fighters. Here's our cook dinners. Dude, if
you got to be a firefighter for a minute, you
got to be a firefighter for a minute teaching children
when firearms start going off?
Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Oh no, I did that, you know, And I've said
in the past, I've seen him said on the show before.
I think the teacher should have to be somebody who's
willing to have a firearm. Nobody should know that they
have that firearm. It should be carried in a certain
way at all times, subject to inspection at any moment
from say the s RO or say the school principal,
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to ensure that you have it in the proper location,
on your set, on your person. Students shouldn't know that
you have if if if, if you are going to
armed teachers, there's a way to do it. I think
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
Why not have private to say they're not people that
were willing to volunteer to protect children at school. I mean,
can we have like privatization that way?
Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
You know, like yeah, but you got to think, I
mean you're talking about if you say volunteers, I mean
how many people are you going to get the volunteer
and for how long are they going to do it? Yeah?
You may, you may get people to show up for
for a short short period of time, but over the
long term that usually falls off because think about any
organization that relies on volunteers, what do you end up having.
You have, say one hundred people who maybe are associated
(01:33:24):
with an organization, but only like ten people show up
on a red Let's let's free phrase.
Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
Let's let's look at the different way. You got a
lot of young people that want to become law enforcement officers.
Now here's an opportunity of them to work with the
law enforcement agency, right with with the local PD or
whatever to maybe they volunteer a certain point of time
before they go into being the loan, before they're going
for training or it's part of their training. So you
train them not how to do the job, but you know,
(01:33:50):
like you would say a volunteer fireman, you would them
how to do the job. Yeah, well, yeah, it might be.
It might be like an incentive for them.
Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Maybe they could be to do Maybe they can be
augmentees to say let's say you have SROs. Maybe you
have two law enforcement officers say it at a school
or maybe just one. I don't, I don't know. Depending
on the size of your school, you may have three,
who knows, maybe more, uh, but maybe as augmentees if
you will that can you know, go around and sure
doors are shut, windows, things like that, you know, separate
(01:34:18):
additional set of eyes and ears and all that good stuff.
You know, whether you arm them or not. I don't
know how you would arm them, you know, it would
depend on maybe the level of training maybe perhaps you know,
but additional personnel I think would be okay for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
Sometimes people hate your security guards. Isn't because the security
guard is gonna pull a weapon and defend their property
or no. But the presence of somebody being there, I'm
going with you here, the president. Presidence of somebody being
there can be enough of a deterrent that nothing's going
to happen.
Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
It makes that target less less of a soft target.
If you have somebody there, I'm actively looking at you,
I'm you know I can report you whatever the case.
Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
Is, got a communication to you.
Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
You don't know if I have a firearm. You don't
know what I have. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, absolut.
Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
But where are you going? You know, if you want
to talk about that. We got janitors in schools that
are moving about the schools all day long. They might
see activity that's abnormal. With a two way communication device
that might be able to alert the SRO, they might
be able alert the office and say hey, we got
some kind of activity. And they got cameras too. So
it's huge to me. There can be some monitoring going
on and a little more effort I don't think, you know,
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as a society, we do. And the thing about it is, guys,
we can see here talking about taking away firearms from
everybody first right, No, but I'm thinking here in my head,
I'm thinking about liberal left, okay, with their argument we'll
just take firearms away from everybody and then nobody else
to worry about it. That's not how that works. We
have black market trafficking for firearms. So this is so,
(01:35:44):
but it's just the same. What people want to cause harm.
They want to cause harm. How many times we heard
people putting together homemade pipe bombs and using them and
utilize them. That guy in Colorado many years ago was
shooting at people when he had he deposited on backpacks
of explosives in the movie Theater if I remember correctly,
So there was Yeah, he had ulterior motive. He had
(01:36:05):
other motives. You know, he had a backup player, contingencies,
so he had other things going on besides just shooting people.
And so but I mean, when people want to hurt people,
that's what they're going to do. If that's their intention,
that's their intention. We have socidy got to figure out
we're going to adapt to this abnormal behavior.
Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
In a free society, You're you're going to have people
that are going to, you know, freely use that to
their advantage to hurt people. But at the same time,
even the most heavily police states in the in the
world in world history, you still had violence, you still
had murders, you still had a crime.
Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
And then at the same time, in these states that
are policed very heavily, guess what, you don't have freedom.
You don't have liberty. Your subject is to stop, to search,
to arrest, to show in your papers, all this stuff,
and then all of a sudden, who has who has
all the guns? The the government? And guess what, whenever
somebody wants to come in and do anything to infringe
upon your freedom and liberty they have, they're going to
(01:36:57):
do it, do it because they have carte blanche. So
it's a slippery slope for sure. I would rather have
dangerous liberty than than you know, have have safety nets
at every every corner.
Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
You know what I'm saying. Any day you can make
a determination of your own faith if you have liberty,
you cannot if you are dictated to right.
Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
Absolutely, So there's a fine line, you know for that.
And at the same time, we talk about, you know,
good with good guys with guns, and I'm like, what
are you talking about in a crowd of people, do
you know who the person that's shooting, who the right
person is or is that person that you see with
a gun? Are they also a good guy with a gun?
And now you're engaging a good guy with a gun,
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then they're engaging with you. You know, it's like, you know,
you got to be responsible here. You got to know
what you're talking about. You have to have training, you
have to be very proficient, and you have to be
able to be able to pick out the actual the
bad actor, the target if you will, before you just
start shooting.
Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
And you got more of the Adiana. There was a
guy was a good guy with a gun. I mean
he did stop somebody, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
But most of the people that that that generally do that.
From from what I've seen the stories and the videos,
it's people who know what they're doing. They've had training,
they know how to use it responsibly. They realize, you know,
your your backstop who's back there is that people? You know,
if I shoot is are going to be into a crowd.
Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
You know, so your people that are responsible and trained
know how to engage a target even in a crowded situation.
They know how to do it properly.
Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
Listen, Todd, I grew up in the nineteen eighties. I've
seen a lot of Fortunate movies and a lot of
Sylvester Stlone movies, and I know how this stop erates.
You just pull that weapon and start firing randomly.
Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
That's true, yeah, And it works out.
Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
It always works on the end. The good guy always wins, right.
Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
And then of course you think about this, I mean
I don't know how many people I've seen, you know,
over the years who were fairly responsible with guns, who've
had negligent discharges as well. So imagine somebody who's not
trained on a gun, you know, all of a sudden,
they're picking up a gun, and what happens. They shoot themselves,
shoot somebody else, you know, not even meaning to, just
making a stip.
Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
I'm not sure you're on the right side of the
aisle here, Todd if.
Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
You second or no, I'm one hundred percent for the
Second Amendment, but we're talking about putting guns in schools
that you've got to be very responsible here. You know
what I'm saying, because every and I know a lot
of teachers, and I'm not making fun of them, but
there's a lot of them that I know that that
truly supports the Second Amendment for sure, but I wouldn't
trust them with a gun in the classroom, you know
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what I'm saying. So you have to be responsible with it.
Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
You know, you need training, you need training.
Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Training, training, and of course you have to you should
have to certify on a regular basis at the same time,
subject to inspection, you know, to make sure that you
you have the firearm, it operates properly, you have it
secured on your person in the right location, you know,
and you're not sit there. You're not advertising, you're not
bragging about it. You're not you're not telling any of
the students or even the other other faculty necessarily and
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unless it's an appropriate venue.
Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
I think the only thing you skipped is maybe psychological evaluation.
Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
That that would be another thing. There should be a
system in place. If you are going to arm teachers,
you got to be responsible the same thing. You know,
if you're gonna like police officers, you don't just give
a gun to anybody. You do psychological valuation. You do
a lot of evaluations. And do you do training, you
know what I'm saying. So before you get him, put
him out on the street in a squad car, if
you will, and and and and and a rifle and
a pistol. You know, even before you give him pepper
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spray or a taser, you're training them properly on how
to use it, how to how to maintain it, and
at the same time, how to engage a suspect or
or or a bad actor. If you will. You know,
you don't just say here's a gun, got go go,
go have at it.
Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
Well that I wouldn't expect a teacher to go running
out in the hallways and chasing the guy down. But
if he approaches that, that would be it's a defensive
position there you go, right.
Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
And of course, you know, whenever you're talking about whenever
you're a stationary target, like in the classrooms, et cetera,
somebody coming through trying to clear you know, going room
to room. You know here you are, okay, I can
see the guy can engage in pop pop, He's done.
You know, you assess the situation, he's he's no longer
a threat. You still shoved in place, allow the police
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to clear the clear of building, and then sure that
there's no other threats out out there. You know what
I'm saying, Because you think about this, you have an
active shooter situation. I've done a lot of active shooter
active shooter exercises. In fact, I've been the quote unquote
active shooting a lot of exercises. You know, so I understand.
You know, law enforcement shows up if you will, or
military police in some circumstances, right, because we have military
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base shootings. Everybody who comes out, you put those hands
up because I don't know who you are, what's going on.
Then we assess everybody, We search everybody, We make sure
we do it properly. And those are things people need
to realize. It's not a matter of like, Okay, I
took the bad guy out, now it's over, go back
to normal. No, it doesn't work that way. You got
to search everybody. You got to ensure that there's no
other people, no other threats that are out there in
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those two situations. It's not as easy as good guy
with the gun that people say, it's too simplified for
so many people who've never actually had to use a
firearm to protect themselves with their buddies to the left
and right, or whenever you're being being shot at at
a base or something like that, you know, and I
equatee being rocketed and shot at, you know, at a base.
You know, it's it's people shooting it, shooting at you
(01:42:04):
at your house. If you will shooting rockets at your house,
I mean, what are you gonna do somebody shooting at
your house? You know, are you just gonna start shooting indiscriminately?
You know you're going to engage the target, not just
in discriminate shooting.
Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
Yeah, it's like fire fighting a fire. You know, you
go for the source. Not always though, I got I
got admit, not always on a fire because maybe that's
a bad analogy because sometimes they'll go and hit the
corners of a room first to cool down the room
and then go for the source. So but ultimately you
are going for.
Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
Because a lot of times things are like in a
firefighting situation, and I'm not talking about gun firefighting, but
you throw water on it, sometimes you just make it
worse because it's so hot at that point, it just
turns the steam. So like you said, you got to
cool it off.
Speaker 4 (01:42:44):
Well that well, this is for BackFlash and stuff. So
because but what you're saying, yeah, sometimes if you're if
you're using the wrong substance, you can.
Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Again yeah right, if you just trust.
Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
Something that's that water is not going to put it out.
It's gonna spread it around.
Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Yeah, spreads it around. Yeah, like green fire, You're not
gonna do anything with it. You're just gonna spread it.
And I've seen somebody with the grease fire before. Try
to you know, it's like try to throw in a sink.
Don't do it, you know, smother it. Do not throw
in the damn sink.
Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
You can put in the sink and smother in the sink,
that's fine because it's metal, but don't put water on it.
Do not do that. You know. I've seen people being
burned up because of that, you know, or get burns
on their face because they did something like that. You know,
you could burn your house down or kill yourself quick
go be careful. Yeah, yeah, that's why, that's why, that's
why I advocate for training, training across the board, one
(01:43:31):
hundred percent pro Second Amendment. But you have to be
responsible because you could be killed, hurt, wound, mane, whatever
the case may be, very quickly, very quickly, you know,
and there's no coming back for it, you know, some
of these injuries. And at the same time, there's no
coming back once you're dead. Sorry.
Speaker 4 (01:43:45):
Yeah, I said where you were going with that earlier,
and that's a.
Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Responsible responsible gun ownership, responsible use of a fire army
and security situation, whatever the case may be. Law enforcement,
same thing. You know. Police don't just shouldn't be shown
up like I got my gun, point it out.
Speaker 4 (01:44:01):
You know, just it's happened. It's an OVA case. Somebody
who's playing a big shot or something, and yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Got that firearm should not come out of it's you know,
whether it's concealed or whether it's in a holster that's visible.
Should not come out until it needs to come out.
And then at that point, ensure that you have your target,
you have your your backstop, you understand what's behind it.
And sometimes you may have the enemy or the bad
guy in your sights, but what's behind it is a
lot of innocent people. And it's like, you know what,
(01:44:27):
I got to assess this situation. Can I take cover
in this particular moment and then re engage the person
or if I shoot, am I risking hurting other people
in the back in the background and then doing worse
damage than if I waited a second or two and assessed.
I'm not talking about like a police officer waiting for
thirty minutes or sixty minutes outside and assessing that way.
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I'm talking about those split second assessments where it's like, Okay,
I can't really get a good shot right now, let
me get cover. Okay, I got him, he turned this way.
I can take him out at this moment. You know,
you gotta be careful with that and people people need
to realize that it's It's not as easy as saying,
good guy with a gun. I'm sorry. When I hear
people say that, I'm like you obviously don't know what
you're talking about. You've never been a firefight. Shut your mouth,
(01:45:08):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
So good gun with a gun don't work for you.
Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
No, saying that is stupid. I understand a good guy
with a gun, but a good guy who's trained properly,
that understands how to use it and engage bad actors,
bad guys. That's that's whenever a good guy with a
gun makes sense, not just somebody with a.
Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
Gun people in the most simplest form.
Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
I understand that. But but a lot of people that
I'm around on a regular say that don't have any
sort of training, have never been in a firefight, don't
know what the heck they're doing. Go to a real
range and do any sort of real training. They shoot
maybe some targets here and there, ever so often, but
shooting at a stationary target without any sort of real training,
not going to it a shoot house if you will,
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it's okay, helps you with your proficiency to go shoot
a deer. But I'm sorry to engage a target who's
actively trained to kill you, it doesn't help you quite
as much. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (01:46:01):
No, Well, there's more to it if you want to
talk about training. Yeah, there's a lot more to it,
because I'm just tychology. There's a case like one case
that that somebody was talking about. I was watching us
thing on television many years ago, and they were documenting
about the psychology of handling a weapon, and you make
it a good point here. There's a huge difference when
you got a stationary target compared to when somebody's coming
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at you with force or intent. And one of the
illustrations they pointed out is that law enforcement officer who
had an issue with somebody who's attempting to arrest and
the person was in the hallway and he was coming
at him. The LA enforcement officer pulled revolver, discharged it
six times at close range, and never once even touched
the guy exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
And that's the thing with with with a sidearm. I mean,
you know, you can miss somebody, especially that heart rate's going,
that adrenaline's going, you know, you get that that that
vision that sometimes it goes black. Sometimes the tunnel visions
and you're like, okay, I got you know, you're you're
like this, The peripheral kind of goes away and it's
easy to miss though. It is easy to miss something
(01:47:06):
that bully going to go.
Speaker 4 (01:47:07):
You know, Oh that's that could be if you if
you're in a.
Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
Pain now your storm, your storm of the beach is
a normality where the enemies that way in front of you. Yeah,
shoot shoot shoot everybody by all means blast away whatever
different situation. But in a school, in a school where
maybe it's only the one active shooter, you know, and
you have kids, people scrambling, teachers, whatever the case may be,
that maybe they didn't go on the ground or get
into a classroom and barricade. You know, it's like, do
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you run the risk of shooting them? Uh? You know
while this person is just walking through now that person
was spraying and praying. You know, then I might, I
might take a different tact on it, but I you know,
I would have to assess the situation and give it,
give it a give it a moment, so that way
I can get a clear shot on the person. Because
I may take two or three shots and guess what now,
all of a sudden, he's looking at me, actively engaging me,
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whenever I could have taken an easier shot at the person.
So you gotta be careful in those types of situations,
and simply saying good guys with a gun doesn't really
cut it. In my book. There's a lot of factors
at play here.
Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
There is. So my thing is with the schools, is
we lock the windows. Yeah, it makes a list of
people from coming in from the outside. But if a
bus has an accent, don't you have a release window
that you push open and the whole window drops out.
You can run for it and unlatches from the inside, right,
so nobody can latch it from the outside to enter
the bus. So tell me, if you got an active
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shooter in the school, he's inside the school, he's not
outside the school. Why do we not have a locked
door and then able to unlatch a window and make
an escape and have a rope.
Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
Now, you do not want to do that. You do
not want to do it because there could be people
out there waiting for you to take make that run,
make that bline for a tree line or the parking
lot or whatever the case may be, or another building.
So you sheltering in place is the best option in
those types of situations, you know. I mean, I've been
rocketed and mortared probably hundreds of times. Sometimes it's easier
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to to shelter in place, get down in the bunker,
and hold tip for a second before you retaliate.
Speaker 4 (01:49:02):
And I also see sitting ducks ducks in a barrel
when I hear.
Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
That schools are built nowadays with with with the ballistic
the glass, the film on it. Uh, and of course
that they can lock doors nowadays and stuff like that.
So there's a lot of technology that we can use
to be able to protect ourselves in many situations. Not
every situation is going to so it's not perfect. You know,
we have to be able to freely move in society
from class to class or whatever the case may be.
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You have to be able to go to ball games
and things like that. You know, you've got to be
able to live life and not live in fear, but
at the same time be aware of threats and potential
threats and be able to engage them properly. It's not
a matter of just somebody having a gun. Any idiot
can have a gun if you don't know what the
heck you're doing with it? What good are you? You
just killed three innocent people as you shut fired thirty
rounds at the bad guy that you didn't hit.
Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Definitely, No, if you're
going to arm teachers, you definitely want to get them
trained there exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
That's kind of my point on all that be responsible
in all we do.
Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
Right, Yeah, absolutely, well, training is everything. I mean, it's
preemptive thinking. That's exactly what training is. It's preemptive thinking.
That's why you say, if you're going to be in
the fighting artist, you're creating muscle memory. Everything's preemptive thinking.
For you're creating scenarios that you may have been and
or experienced fighters will say, these are common scenarios I'm in.
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So now you preemptively you're training, so when you're in
those scenarios, you know how to handle those scenarios.
Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
I know people, I know people who in the military
who've been shot a number of times and they're like, well,
I didn't engage the guy because there were actually kids
back behind them, and I just didn't feel I could
take the shot and could have killed a person, but
chose not to. In that moment because the backstop was
it wasn't right and was shot a few times as
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a result. So you got to be very careful of that,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:50:54):
What about a shot over the head, So you're not
shooting at him, but you're but.
Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
That bullet's going to go somewhere. At some point, the
trajector is going to go down. Where's it going to land?
Speaker 4 (01:51:02):
Well, it depends on all for them kids are back.
Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
There, right, but I'm saying it's going to go somewhere.
And actually, somebody in my neighborhood a week or so ago,
is this more on neighbor down the street shoots on
a regular and one end up hitting my hat. Anyway,
all right, folks, we'll be back next week seven to
nine Eastern and if it's Wednesday night, it's the Commissisco's service.
Take care and God bless see you next
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Like that?
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Are you in Hawaii?
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I thought he was doing Miami Vice or Magnet Man.
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Speaker 3 (01:05):
I thought maybe maybe you were a crocket or tubs
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I'm Magnum, Thomas Magnum. We're coming to you from all
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making it last week, but the connection was like sucking
through a straw. Tonight it's it's a little bit better,
but it's not ideal, So hopefully people can hear me
just fine here in Mary Old, England. I see Todd
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is down in Florida, Sunshine State, the land of liberty.
These days they call it uh planning the role of
Thomas Magnum.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
On the QT.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And we've got John Grover up in the studio in Nation,
New Hampshire, and I'm just gonna beat Todd to the
punch tonight since I haven't been keeping up on what's
going on to New Hampshire. And before you can get
into it, I'm gonna say, John, what's going on to.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
New York? And we're just still number one for freedoms
in the in the country, so wrapped around a bunch
of liberal states here. But no, I don't have any news.
I didn't pull up any of my sources this afternoon,
so I quite all right dropped the ball on you, guys.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I'm just trying to be tied to the punch because
you know, at some point he's going to ask that
question in the broadcast and I'm only here for the
first hour.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
So what's going on in New Hampshire.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Well, you know what, I've I've been really enjoying this
nice cool mornings, waking up at fifty two degrees. I
don't know folks here now feel the same way, but
I'm absolutely not complaining about those nice cool mornings.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, fifty two degrees, that's like heaven for me. And
is a Viking man? That's that's like shorts and shields weather,
you know, yeah, short shields and a claymore and not
the ones the army has, but the ones the Scots
carry around. So guys, gosh, I've been out of the
country for a few days and things are just picking
up pace. I see the present Tromposition executive order to
try to get prosecutors, federal prosecutors to prosecute people for crimes. Now,
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the media falsely portraying this as an executive order against
burning flags, which unfortunately, is the constitution protected right according
to the Supreme Court back in nineteen eighty nine. So
what Trump's trying to do is get them for other
things like you know, you know, inciting violence or you know,
public you know whatever, all kinds of other things. So
that's what the executive is about, to make people penalty
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pay a penalty for it. He's also talking about deplaying
the National Guard all over the country to democratic cities.
They're out of control of the crime. I see that
they've been over twelve hundred arrest in the district of Columbia,
and the National Guard actually out picking up rubbish and
they're picking up the trash in the streets. But the
Democrats are complaining about them picking up the trash in
the streets. Todd, have you been following this story, either
one of those, the flag or the DC and the
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National Guard.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Right, well, a little bit of it.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
With the flag. With regards to that, yeah, it is
constitutionally protected. I think it is reprehensible to do something
like that, but I don't think anybody should be arrested
for burning the flag. I think it's wrong, but I
do think, yeah, it is a part of speech. I
don't agree with it, but you know, I kind of
excide with this fort on that one.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Well, I think we both find that it's unpalatable speech
and it's a shame that people feel they need to
do that. What I find is the hypocrisy. And we
saw people arrested for, you know, damaging paint on the
street when they paint the rainbow flag one of the
cities down there in Florida. They got arrested for that.
But you can burn the American flag. So why isn't
that free speech? I guess because it was on public
streets that it happened, it was damaged. I'm not really sure,
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but it is definitely a topic that it's hot. And John,
are you following that story at all with the flag burning?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Uh? Yeah, I heard about it. Yeah, he wrote the
executive order and stuff. I had forgotten about the Supreme
Supreme Court ruling on that. I do know there's some
laws regarding that. Well, there's a Supreme Court ruling, we
know that overrules the laws. So yeah, I don't know, man,
I'm up in the air on it. I mean, yeah,
it's freedom of speech, but it's also an offensive form
of all speech. But it's meant to be. And you
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know we've talked about this before in the past. Right,
if you go to an airport and you yell the
word bomb or something, do incite panic and calls harmed people,
then it's, uh, it's just for your freedom of speech
stops because the intention was to cause harm. Right, And
so this here, I don't know if you know, I mean,
I can't I can't contradict the Supreme Court ruling obviously,
But the intention is to incite people by burning the flag,
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that's what their intention is. We've had people defecate on
the flag, We've had people go way overboard. The flag
is a symbol of our country, and our country is
a very very sacred thing. You know, our our US
Constitution above all is the most sacred document we have
in this country. And so you know, when you when
you you know, defile things that represent our country, it's
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a bad representation of yourself. And I know there's people
coming from other countries just don't have a care in
the word about this country. They don't understand freedoms, they
don't love freedoms, they don't know how to handle freedoms. So,
but you know, if it's a form of it's a
freedom of spee or a form of speech, and they're
allowed to act that way as a form of speech.
I mean, we've heard people say, you have the right
to go stick your middle finger up in somebody's face
and flip them off and tell them where they can step,
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you know, and be really offensive with them. And it's
only a matter of all freedom of speech. Well when
does it stop?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You know, when when when you evade my personal space,
that's when it stops.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, with a knockout, on with a haymaker, right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Well, I mean, look, guys, I think we're all violent
in agreement here that it is free speech. We just
don't like that speech. But that's the thing, you know,
And I have to be consistent here because I criticized
the government in South Africa because they criminalize speech. They
put people in prison. It's convicted felons for words, for
using offensive you know, racist language. I mean, and I've
always said that when a government silences speech, it's an
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illegitimate government. And that's why, you know, well, I find
it unpalatable that people would want to burn the flag
and I don't think it's speech. I think it's hateful Uh,
it is their right as much as it is. And
you know, Todd and I both took an oath to
support and defend the Constitution. We did that with honor.
And you know that that includes protecting the rights of
scumbags who burned the US flag.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, absolutely, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
And I like that. You know, people coming back from say,
say war that you know servy serving in combat. You know,
people have the right to to not like you and
call your names or whatever. But you know, as soon
as you get in my face and try to throw
a contest a different situation, and you have a right
to dislike what I did or whatever you did. But
you know that that's your opinion. You have that you
have a right to that opinion.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I love how cowards stay at home and then criticize
those who served. Of course, of course that course.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
A good reaction to burning the flag for me is
a point out of them, laugh and say you spent
thirty dollars on there just to burn it away, But
thank you for retiring our United States flag. You know,
even though there's a ceremony behind retiring the flag, but
burning the flag is retiring the.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Flag an accurate statement, but not in that fashion.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
H Yeah, it's not a form of protest. Whenever you
retire them properly like that.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Yeah, right, right, you go through the ceremony and stuff
that you can do it next time, you know, but
that's the only way you can handle it, right, I mean,
you can't do it.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
They should do it ceremoniously. But then all of a
sudden say, hey, f yi, here's here's our statement. You know,
there's our political statement. But we're going to honor the
flag and that that would get probably more trackable.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Well that that doesn't serve their point, like you and I,
I mean, they look down on this and they make
they make faulment that's true, like you, and they call
us fascists. We're anything but fascist.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Right to earn the flag, so therefore we're not fascist.
For granted, we're not put you in jail.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
We are not trying to silence your speech and have
you banned on Facebook or Twitter or YouTube like they
did to us.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
We we we we protect your right to free speech.
We may not agree with it and find it reprehensible
and won't hang out in polite company with you. In fact,
would kick you off our lawn, you know, I says,
that's that's where I was going with that.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
But it's fine if you steal my thunder there, because
that's exactly where I was going with it. I'm glad
to see people are tracking with me there. But listen,
it's it's it is unpalatable speech for most Americans, but
I understand what to what Trump is trying to do.
There are other crimes are committed, you know, public I
started to say public intoxication, urination, but that's not it.
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In some cases that may be the true case, but
the tame line is that people should be able to
find a better way to register the complaints than burn
someone's flag. You know. I was at at the rugby
this weekend here in England and the anthems were playing,
so I stood up politely. I don't know the anthem
of Brazil, but I stood there at attention when it
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was playing. And then the South African anthem played. I'm
a supporter for South Africa, so I put my hand
over my heart and I sang the anthem like I
do with the US, the Canadian, German and French anthems,
all of which I know anyway, So I sang the anthem,
and this guy walks up to me and it kind
of looks at me with a drink and saying like
could you move, you know? And he said to me.
I'm like, I kind of looked at him as I
was saying like, are you high? Have you no respect?
I didn't say it word, but I mean it was.
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You know, if I was Medusa, he would have turned
the stone. I mean, I'm telling you, but I think
he got the message and he went and tried to
go another way. But I'm how disrespectful rude people when
a country's anthem, and this happens at games all the
time in America. It really irritates me in America when
the nasarathi is playing and people walking around and spilling
the beer and being jovial, a little respect otherwise, go home.
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You have no business being there. I have a little
bit of respect. It only takes a moment.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I remember Nat O'Connor refused to sing our national anthem,
said she's not an American, She's not going to sing
it at in the concert in the United States of America,
and people got offended by it, and the left people
were very offended by it. She did pass she is right.
She did. But uh SNL. Being a leftist outlet, we'll
make a lot of jokes about her, and.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
She has a lot of jerks about she was. Look,
she had one song, you know's and I never found
to be particularly entertaining or interesting. Uh So she's passed,
and I guess her her son passed shortly before her
from cancer, and then she passed with cancer as well
shortly after that. But but yeah, she's a nasty person
and a hateful person, hated America. So screw her.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
And you know, by written my boy was the people
on the left got very upset with her, and these
people now today would be supporting her.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Absolutely, You're right about that. They've definitely changed there too. Now. Now,
I did a video the other day in which I
did a clip of Barack Obama standing out there and saying,
these people have invaded America. They're illegal aliens, and we
will send them home. They're committing crimes by coming across
our border. And I'm like, that's what I've been saying.
You've been calling me a right wing nut job. I mean,
that's the law. That's what Barack Obama said when he
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was president in two thousand and seven after reporting a
record number of illegal aliens.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
That's what That's what Obama did.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
And now that Trump is deporting the old aliens, apparently
it's bad. These people are just wicked. They have no conscience,
they have no soul. They simply rotate their views based
on whatever is popular in their world at the time.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Well, I keep saying, Chris, the reason why they call
it democracy is because they want mob rule. Yeah, I
mean that's what we're doing. If it's direct democracy, it's
mob rule, right, And what are you doing in the democracy?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You just keep.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Changing the rules of the game in middle play, of.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Course, exactly. That once again, gentlemen, is why our system
of governance is unique and amazing at the same time,
because we created a system of sovereign states that joined
a union. Now we have the Article's Confederation, which proved
to be two weak. The Central Group was two weeks.
But we created a system which before the advent of Franklin, King, Franklin,
Delan and Roosevelt and the end before that. Actually, when
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Wilson came in with the income tax, before the income tax,
the thing was kind of held in checked. The federal
gum can only get so large. Its appetite couldn't grow
because it didn't have the resources. But it had sufficient
power to execute our wars, to protect our nation, and
to protect our borders, and do the things that it's
supposed to do. But ever since the I position of
the income tax, and then subsequently King Franklin Delan Roosevelt,
the government has grown to a massive belive with them.
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But the concept of the government is a federalist system
in which sovereign states surrenders some sovereignty to the federal level.
But the states are sovereign, and the concept of proving
that is very simple. The electoral college, we made sure
that small states had as much representation as the large states.
That's why every state, for those who haven't taken Civics,
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which would be some in our audience because they no
longer teach it, every state has two senators, and the
senators in the Senate are the senior body of our
by camera legislature. They're the ones that have the checks
and balances for the most part, against executive, against the
against the judicial branches. They can veto. They have to
approve the president's a confirmation. They have to confirm his
appointees at certain levels. And they are the only body
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that can ratify a treaty. A president can't sign a
treaty and put into effect. Obama signed the Paris Climate
a court. It had no legal binding for the United
States because the Senate refused to ratify it. So each
state is represented, whether it's Wyoming with five hundred and
fifty thousand residents or California with thirty eight million equally
in the Senate. The body that represents the people, of course,
is the House of Representatives, and based on proportional representation,
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each district is roughly the same size, about seven hundred
and seventy thousand people per district around the country. Some
of that this is quite weird, as we've discovered in
Illinois where the cowards from Texas ran off to complaining
about jerry mandry, which is the worst jerry manders state
the country. But everyone's represented by the House of Representatives.
But that's the junior body the legislature. So our unique
system of governance protected us against tyranny of the majority.
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Fifty plus one doesn't dictate to the country. It takes
the whole country to make a decision. That's why it
takes three quarters of the states to ratify the Constitution
to matter not to ratify, and also to amend the Constitution.
So it's not done, willy nilly. And I think our
system is amazing. It's unfortunate that people don't get civics
or leftists try to undermine it, John, because it is
unique in this planet. No one else has the system
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like ours.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Absolutely, yes, I know you're holden got stuck on what
you were saying about Obama earlier in two thousand and seven.
You made us all excuse me, made statement about Obama
with stumping on the idea of that legal aliens whenever.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
He ran down in two thousand, two thousand and sixteen,
when there seventeen yes, before he left office in he
was running for office in Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, that's yeah, Yeah,
you were correct. Obama wasn't president until two thousand and nine,
when he came into January two thousand and nine after
six years in office. In twenty sixteen, that's when he
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made that statement. So my apologies for getting that incorrect.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Okay, So maybe it was something on that too. Yeah,
he was campaigning on that too, right, he did.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
He also campaigned against gay marriage. Remember that he was
against gay marriage until until ben Ghazi, and then he
needed distractions. Suddenly he was for gay marriage.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
No, thisice how changed.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I don't think he needed a distraction. I just think
he was foured all along, as you know, typical politician.
You know, he's told the lion because their lips are moving,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Right, well speak speaking of the World Cup that you're
over there covering. I saw a little bit on ESPN
the women U US women got pretty much decimated by
it was it England, I believe the other day.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, yeah, Well, to be fair hit England had won
fifty six out of fifty seven matches you know, globally
before that. So they're the top ranked team in the world.
It's tough to beat them. They're the reigning world champion
from New Zealand in twenty twenty two for what was
supposed to being twenty twenty one. So yeah, it was
a tough draw for the Americans and actually was competitive
for the first thirty minutes. It was fourteen to seven
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for a long time, and then the Americans got a
yellow card from one of the more experienced players that
left kelter. She fullishly reached around to smack the ball
down in a position you're not allowed to do and
got a yellow card. Was out for ten minutes, and
then they ran the two tries leaky defense, and suddenly
it was twenty eight to seven. But the Americans had
the ball at the end of the first half and
they were down at the triline about to score. And
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I looked it was there in the field. I could
see the wing and I used to play wing, so
it gets my attention. The wing was wide open, but
they insist on being stubborn and trying to push the
cross the line where all the defenders were.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
And what happened is what's called held up.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
In other words, in order to score and rugby, you
have to get across the line, but it doesn't count
until the ball is put down on the ground. You
have to touch it to the ground right and you
have to depositive pressure. So when it's held up, that
means the defenders got their hands or foot or some
part of their body under the ball so it can't
touch the ground. Oh wow, that's a cool and so
that's what happened. They were held up. That's the signal
right there for those who were watching this not a
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radio audience. So it was held up. So what happens
is the defenders get to kick it from the goal
line and you basically lose about half the field becausey'll
kick it halfway down the field. You got to come
all the way back down to the scoring position. And
when they did that, instead of passing it to the
person on the right who was wide open, it could
have dove over and scored the points. We got no points.
That could have made it twenty eight to fourteen in
a very close game. But instead they kicked it down
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the pitch and then the player got the yellow card.
The experienced so American, a left kelter. She just came
back in the game and it's kicked to her and
she dropped the ball and it's a knock on a
turnover and so England gets the ball back. They kick
it down the pitch, they get close to the try line,
they run in another score and suddenly it's thirty five
to seven instead of twenty eight to fourteen. The game
was over. Second half. They just destroyed them. But all
the games, except for the Ireland and Japan game, its
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just been, you know, blowouts, every one of them. I
went to South Africa game, I went to Canada game,
against Fiji all blowouts to the Ireland game was the
only competitive game so far, but it'll get more competitive
as they get to the knockout stage in a couple weeks.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Can I ask a question how do I probably asked
this before another show is how does scoring work in rugby?
And I though I don't have to google it?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Sure, sure? So to score it's called a try. You
have to cross the into the end zone essentially for Americans,
and you have to put downward pressure pods control to
touch the ball on the ground inside the end zone.
That gives you five points. And then depending on where
you score from, if you score right in the middle
of the field under the post, you kick straight on,
but as you move out you have to kick from
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an angle and the chances get reduced because the angle
is more difficult to shoot it straight. So you want
to score in the middle of the field as often
as possible, but sometimes I have an option on all
My option is to score in the corner. It makes
it very difficult. You get two points for a conversion.
If you score a try and then you kick it
between the post, you get two points. At seven points,
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also you can get a penalty the other team gets
a penalty, and you can kick for points if you're
close enough, and that's three points. And you can also
do what's called a drop goal anytime and any time
in the game. You could just kick the all through
the post and it's it's uh, it's become more common recently,
but for years it had become pretty uncommon. Back in
the day. Forty fifty years ago, you saw it a
lot because people didn't score very often, so they tried
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to kick it through the post. Uh, But then it
kind of disappears in art. It's come back in recent years,
and so that's called a drop goal. So it's either
five points for a try, two points for conversion after
a try, and three points for penley or drop goal.
And that's that's how you get your points in rugby.
That's how you get these sports. Yeah, so it's kind
of like American football, except for it's five points.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
And and and you know, and two two points for
the extra point if you will versus one.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Exactly Okay, exactly cool, thank you.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I'm curious that they're wearing safety equipment. Are they still
going with just shorts and a T shirt?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It's a jersey and shorts there's there's uh, there's no
real I mean sometimes they have a little bit of
a shoulder pad of tiny thin pads here, but they're
not much of anything.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, it's uh, I noticed a little small little helmets,
like little thin Well, yeah, there's scrum helmets.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
And the reason for that is that when you get
into the scrum, ears get damaged and they they white
it colorflower ears from the scarring and it's pretty hideous looking.
So a lot of players will wear the scrum helmets,
which are just you know, they're just cloth to protect
your ears.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
So you still still you still see lights when you
hit your head.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It gets the imagine you look.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, now I have to give I give Rubb you
a lot of credit. Unlike the National Football League, they've
taken head injuries very seriously because they're not wearing helmets
as such, and so for years they've had a concussion
protocol for a long time. And so what you get
is an HIA head injury assessment. So they have sensors
on the jerseys and a player gets hit a certain
way or they're they you know, they wobble whatever, they
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can detect that and the medical staff can call the
player off and they have an obligation to do it.
They can be in a lot of trouble. They call
the player off, they assess them, and then they go
in for a ten minute minimum period where they have
to be assessed and after go through concussion protocol to
see if they've actually got a concussion and if they
fail it, they don't come back in the game. And
that happens quite frequently.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
So yeah, I thought it was just tough guys busting
heads and like again here.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
You know, how is the dental program on the rugby team.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Well, unlike the National Hockey League, a lot of rugby
players do have their actual teeth, so they tend to
wear mouthguards, so that's usually not an issue. And and
you know, it's it's it's a it's a physically challenging game,
a rough game. But the thing is is that it's
it's not like soccer where you have people acting like pansies,
falling down crying every time someone breeze on them. And
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it's yeah, or basketball where where it turns into a
fricking street fright with a fight with a bunch of brawlers.
You do have occasional dust ups, but for the most part,
you don't see much. It's it's pretty much a gentleman's
game for the men and ladies. It's look rugby is
It's interesting. It's it's the fastest growing sport in the world.
Team rugby and in the United States is the second
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largest rugby nation in the world, which most people don't know.
The only country that's more red rugby players than the
United States is England, the only country. We have half
a million people registered to play rugby in the United States.
It's it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
We have like a I don't know if you want
to call it minor, the amateur ish little league in
the southeast and Johnson City, Tennessee, which is thirty minutes
from my house. Twenty minutes twenty five how fast I drive.
We have a rugby team right there.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Well that's usually called Club Rugby's but yeah, there you go.
Yeah yeah, and they have what was yeah, yeah, no,
they have those every year. I've gone to one of
them in New York City a couple years back, but
that's kind of where rugby has been for decades. In America.
We didn't have a national side until nineteen eighty four,
even though we were the Rainy Olympic champions in rugby,
because in nineteen twenty nineteen twenty four, rugby's Olympic sport,
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United States assembled a bunch of college kids, mostly from
UC Berkeley. They went to France and they won the
gold medal twice in a row. They shocked the world.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, I know a lot of universities. I've seen him
on ESPN, like not the main ESPN, but like ESPN
two or three or something down the line where they
covered some college club rugby, which is kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah. No, it's a fascinating game. It's a game that
I was introduced to as a freshman well over forty
years ago. Forty three years ago, I was introduced to
the game, and I've always liked it. But you could
really watch in the States. It wasn't on television until
till recent years. So I got to watch it and
play it in Africa, and that's where I really grew
to enjoy the game. So yeah, but it's pretty cool.
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And so they used to be like the Olympics where
the men and women had the Rugby World Cup in
the same year, but that became too much of a
challenge for some countries. Plus they're trying to expand the interest,
so they put them off cycle. So that so I
went to the Women's World Cup in twenty fourteen in Paris.
The men in England in twenty fifteen, and they wanted
to have them two years apart. So what they did
is they had the women again in twenty seventeen because
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the men are nineteen. That way, they're every two years,
kind of like the winner in Summer Olympics, every two
years instead of one year back to back like that.
And so the women were in Paris in twenty fourteen,
Ireland in twenty seventeen. Twenty twenty one, they're supposed to
be in New Zealand, but the Coward's delayed it because
of COVID were twenty twenty two, so they played twenty
twenty two, and here we are again. This is the
second time in the last decade they've had a three
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year cycle, which is kind of weird, but they're back
on track now. So the next one will be this
is twenty five and twenty nine, and that one's actually
in the United States. Next Women's World Cup is the
United States. Yeah, and then the Mets twenty thirty one
will be in the United States.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Oh good deal. Hecky, I'm check some of that out.
I mean it's interesting to me, even though I don't
quite understand everything. Just the competition is.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Kind of cool.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Get John, Well, I'm saying you were saying that you
don't you know, you couldn't find rugby back in the
day because it wasn't poplar in the US. And I
picture in my head You're on base somewhere with this
big fat dish and somebody's asking where's the Colonel Chris White?
Who he's home? How do you know? Because the dish
is moving around, the dish.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Moving around, he's holded up on his rough.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Well, no, back in the day that you said those
big dish and you can turn.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
They signal Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Yeah yeah, but that's my way back. That's dating ourselves there.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Well, my neighbor growing up. My neighbor growing up had
one of those. We played baseball and we'd always hit
that thing. The ball would just bang it. He gets
so mad. I'm like, you should have put it right
where we're playing baseball basically.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Oh well, I mean you know back then, you know,
in order to get sad like TV, you had to
have like eight feet across dish. You know, you had
to be rich. Now you just have to have internet connection.
You can watch you can watch direct TV off the
internet now exactly. But anyway, so rugby is they got
a World Cup for the minu Wa may Furs, and
also there's rugby seven. So in rugby union, which is
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what this is, you have fifteen players on the field
at the time, and then rugby seven's is half as
many players but the same size field. So you can
imagine that game is attract me. It's like a track meet. Yeah,
you got you got to be very fit, and you
got to be able to get up and down the
field very quickly. Because there's a high scoring games, luch
higher scoring than these games because there's far fewer defenders
and much easier to break through the line, get a
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line break and run down the pitch. So it's very exciting.
The sevens is a tournament and the games are very short.
You only have seven minute halfs unless you get to
the knockout rounds and it's ten minutes. So whereas in
rugby union, which is what I'm here watching, it's forty
minute halfs. So it's two forty minute halves.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, I was noticing that. I was like forty minutes.
It was like, oh, the first half is over, and
I was like, first half is over, Like you go
to another forty minutes.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yeah, but it goes a lot quicker than the NFL,
So you got to give it that. Games typically real
time are over within two hours, usually two hours or less,
unless there's a lot of injuries and sometimes, but unlike
the clock will stop if there's an injury, but I
mean a lot of times, if the player is injured,
it's away from the actual actuable play, they'll just keep playing.
The official won't stop the clock and just keep playing.
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And so one team will be down a player because
or if two people are injured, they're down two players.
They're just kind of screwed until unless the play works
his way back towards the injured player then in order
to prevent further injury, then they'll blow the whistle and
call it dead. But yeah, it's a very popular game,
and there's different versions of it. And then there's all
something called rugby league, which is popular in New Zealand,
England and a number of other countries. And I went
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to the World Cup here in England a few years
ago for rugby league. That's a game where it's a
faster game and they do things slightly different. They don't
have a scrum, so you don't have to worry about
guys having colorflower ears because they never get down and
smash their heads against each other.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
All right, no scrum. I like that. We don't want
all scrums, no scrubs.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah, that's like, so what is that TLC? Is that
the greuer?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, we don't want no scrub. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Good.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, well let's go back aways there. But anyway, guys,
there's a little bit of battle with the audience position
in that I don't think. But that's that's what's going on.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
So you guys like I don't get what we have
an audience.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
That this is a disgusting group. That's what it is.
You know, Okay, we discuss a little bit.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
We can discuss a little bit more about the men's Uh,
the men's tournament has twenty teams. They want to expand it,
which I think is a bad idea because there's already
a number of blowouts with twenty teams. But but twenty
teams is the right level, I think, whereas you know,
I think there's like forty eight in the FIFA World
Cup is ridiculous, but twenty teams the men's and so
they have games during the week when they have the
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World Cup because the have more games they've got to cover,
whereas the women all the games are just on the weekend.
So you wind up with top downtime during the week
which is is okay. And normally I would be running
around and going to battle sites and you know, and
castles and filming and you know, experiencing some culture. But
my rental car has a mileage limit on it, and
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it's twenty four since twenty four US since per mile
after I get to the limit, so I'm kind of
restricting myself to short drives to coffee shops wow, and
then racking up the miles on the weekend driving around
to the games because I'm already I was already over
my limit in the first four days, so I can
average about eighty miles per day.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
But I learned a little something here.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Ave has changed the rules and if you rent over
twenty eight days, then they're going to limit you. But
the guy told me said, if you're at twenty eight
days or less and you get your unlimited mileage. So
next time I look like this, it'll be twenty eight days, Max,
I won't do thirty and I'll just take them to
the train for those other two days.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, or turn it back in and then sign it
back out right. Well, that's what I said to him.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I said, you know what, why don't I just turn
it back in and give another car come back here?
But yeah, except that the games are halfway up the
country most of the games, and they're all the way
down by London, so that's not going to help me. Yeah, anyway,
But I know that rugby is it's quite a popular
sport in some nations and it's growing. It's growing in
Latin America. Brazil, the women, this is their debut. They
made it for the first time. In fact, their fly half,
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which is the person who is kind of the field
general in the middle of the field and kicks the
ball and distributes around and also tries to kick a
lot of the conversions. Isn't always that person. Anyone can
kick the conversions, but usually if fly half does it
for most teams anyway, they've got a fly half from Brazil.
Her name is it's her name something coon Hunter or something.
Like that a German surname looks very German. But she's
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a breast cancer survivor and she's had breast cancer three
years ago and she's back to playing rugby. She was
also an Olympian too, so she scored the first points
out of Brazil and the crowd went wild. You know
that the Brits always loved the English, always loved the
root for the underdog. In that game against South Africa,
Brazil is definitely no know. They lost sixty six to six,
but it was an exciting game and it was great
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to see them put their energy into it. The South
African's got their first win in the World Cup for
the women since twenty ten, so it was an exciting
day all around. In Ireland had a great game against Japan.
Japan gave it a valued effort, but they made one
mistake and kind of get away from them. Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
So who do you think is gonna win win it all?
What those favorite?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Well, it'll be either England or in New Zealand, and
I think Poland has the front edge. They're they're the
fact the coach of England is the former USA Eagles
men's rugby coach John Mitchell. He's coached all over the world,
and for a couple of years he was a US coach,
had a nine and eight record. I think's the first
ever US coach to have a winning record nine wins
and eight losses. And then John Mitchell and then he
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later went elsewhere, and then he wound up as a
coach of the England women's team. And they're just they're
tough to beat. They're they're really talented. You can't you
can't for a second pause, you can't look away for
a micro second because they'll just run right past you.
And they just didn't burn it. And that's what happened
in the game against US. They just hur Burnie women
in the second half. It was it was painful. And
here I am sitting there wearing a USA women's rugby jersey,
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you know, and then all these English fans around me
a little bit, they're all they're all like you poor
bugger you.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Hey, but you think loyal though.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
That's the thing though, of course, I mean I'm not
a fair weather fan, not a fair weather fan.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
So taking it off and like you, I put it
off on the side.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
So that's that's a little bit about it. Like I said,
the games for every weekend here. The first game I
got to say. The first game was in Sunderland, a
place I'd never been, so that was interesting. New just
below Newcastle in the northeast of England, not too far
from Scotland border. In fact, I went by Hadrian's Wall
and I stopped there for the first time. I've driven
through and passed it, but I've never stopped. I went
to but of course my hip was proven to be
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a challenge and it's quite a hike up the hill,
more like a mountain. So I just took a few
photographs from a distance and you know it, stopped at
one of the foot hill forts there and then went
on to Sunderland and it was pretty interesting because they've
got this huge chasm where this river passes through and
the banks are hundreds of feet up. They built this
massive footbridge it goes across it and apparently it's been
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closed forever. They never opened it. So they opened the
bridge for one day for the Rugby World Cup, for
the celebration of the game on Friday last week. Into
people from Sunderland who came just to walk across the
bridge because they've been waiting forever to cross that bridge.
So they opened up and you could tell that the
bridge wasn't quite finished because there's a few spots as
you walk along where they's supposed to be stone, granted,
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but it's just sand. And I'm walking across the bridge
kind of shaking, like is this thing? Is this structurally sound?
By the way, the bridge is closed again. It was
only that one day. That was it, so you can't
cross the bridge again. But it runs from the center
of town across the river, the Tyne River, I think
it is into to where the stadium's at. And the
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stadium was nice, but anyway, so they threw a heck
of a parade and a great fan zone. They had
people marched through.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It was really cool.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
They did a great job. And then the.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Game, you know, England won.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
They had a pop musician, Anne Marie singing before the game.
She sang three songs and yeah, it was pretty good opening.
And that was the first game. The USA got to
playing the first game, even though they got slaughtered. Then
on Saturday they had games in York and I think Manchester.
I went the games in York, which is an old
Viking town. Viking name for it was Yorvik and then
on Sunday the head games, I forget I think Manchester again,
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and also in Northampton. I went to Northampton, so it's
just kind of the middle of the country.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
So yep, good deal. I love it. That's good stuff.
And when you head back this way or the.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
US in mid September, I'll be back. The Women's a
little bit different. For the men's I only go to
the World Cup during what's called the pool stage because
you see all the countries you never see I mean,
you know, they got Portugal, They've got you know, Chile.
I went to Chile game in France. I've never seen
Chile play before, so you see countries like that, and
it's kind of cool competition. There's lots of camaraderie fans
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from all the world. Then later on I much prefer
to watch the games on TV when they get to
the knockout stage, you know, so you can see the
replay and stuff like that, and I go home for
that portion. So there's forty games in the pool stage
and I try to go as many as possible and
see as many things as possible in the men's World Cup,
and then I go home. For the women it's kind
of weird because the first one I went to, I
was in Stuttguard for conference and the women were playing
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in Paris that weekend. I had the weekend off, so
I bought a ticket. I flew from stut Guard to Paris.
I went to the women's game and I actually was
there for the final, for the semi final, the final,
which is pretty cool. And then the next time I
went to Ireland and I caught it towards the end.
So I was there for a couple of weeks and
caught the second half of the tournament and then up
to the final and watch England defeat New Zealand. And
then this time here I've got the pool stage and
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then the quarter finals that I'm headed back. I've got
a documentary I have to film in September, so I
need to get back to the States.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, good, good deal. What kind of documentary can you
talk about that? Or is that a no go?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I can talk about that as long as it comes through.
It's a South African broadcasting network that's filling a documentary
about offer Connors that have left South Africa and their
situation in South Africa. And so I'll be filming that
when I get back to the States if all goes well,
and at the moment looks like I'll be flying up
to Idaho twin Falls and then doing that documentary up there.
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Interesting looking forward to that. But the World Cup, but
you know, it's rugby. I like rugby. A lot of
a lot of people realize women play, Yeah, but they
do play, and there's some really good talented athletes to
play women's right, the Australians are good, then these Zealanders
are good, and of course the English are fantastic as well.
In the US, it used to be good. In fact,
in twenty seventeen we played for the bronze medal game
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in Ireland and then lost and came in fourth, And
since then they've kind of gone downhill. Now they're tenth
in the world, so not nearly as good as it
used to be.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Sad, but yeah, I'm released competitive that at some points, right,
and sports we don't generally play. That's good, yeah, no
doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
So to get back to politics for a little bit,
because I won't be able to stay for the second hour,
No no, no, I'm just saying, just for the audience,
we get back to the politics for a little bit.
So I see that the Democrats are losing their mind
because Trump is talking about deploying the National Guard to
more cities around the country. You know, it's funny because
here in the UK you're going to get very much
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slanted news of what with what's going on with Trump
and what's what's all about. So it's kind of odd
to see the news here. But they hear they're talking
about the fift percent tariffs on India that are still
in play. What about the tariffs. Are they getting a
lot of tension in the States or people just kind
of kind of quiet on the tariffs since I been gone.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Uh no, I mean, I'm not really talking about it
too much. You know, everybody's praising Trump for what he's
doing with law and order, and apparently people in d
C are coming out and supporting the National Guard and
the police now and they're thanking them for cleaning up
those cities. You know, people were scared to go outside
in some of the neighborhoods and now they're like, man,
we can actually go out on the streets now.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
And that's what I'm here with a lot of people,
which is great, and heard the same thing before I left.
Of course, I was down in DC just before the
Guard got deployed out there. But I got to tell you, Todd,
I think I think you and I have some problems
with some of this. I mean, ponytails in uniform, people
with shaving profiles and look like they haven't shaved as
long as I haven't shaved. I mean, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
That's I think they changed the regulation. AR six seventy
Dash one has been changed. You can have the same
I know they change the regulation. What I'm saying is
that neither one of us would be comfortable with that.
I mean, oh no, I can't. I can't, I can't.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
I can't get female officers, particularly senior officers, having ponytails
hanging out the back of their fatigues and also being
wearing ear rings in in in combat uniform. What's the
point of wearing fatis if you have ear rings and
a ponytail, as you know, you don't uniform.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
You don't put yourself yeah, uniform, you don't. Also, you
don't put yourself in a position or they're they're there
for a position if something happens right, and so if
you have to take action, you're you're in a confrontation
you're wearing jewelry. That's like the worst thing you could
be doing.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, And I remember back when the Air Force has
been ever to wear it for years, the ear rings,
but I don't know what the ponytails they had, studs
and pearl studs they were allowed to wear.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
In the uniform. But it always struck me as bizarre.
Why in the world would you would you wear ear
rings in camouflage uniform and kind of missing the point altogether.
The purpose of military is not to make you feel feminine,
not to make you stand out. The purpose of military
is for one team, one fight to accomplish the goal.
And that's why we all look the same. You know,
we'll make allowances. Don't force women to get butch haircuts.
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They're allowed to put their hair up. And I know
it causes problems in kevlar helmets, but hey, you know,
if you're in if you're in a unit that goes
to field a lot, then cut your hair.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah. I mean you got to be able to protect
yourself and that that helmet may actually save your live.
And some people say, oh, it won't save your life.
I'm like, I know dozens of people who've been shot
in the head, and it saved their.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Life for so youll, well, if you don't get shot
in the head just as well. But the shrapnel, man,
I mean, there's a reason you wear a helmet. There's
a reason why you wear a hard hat on a
job set, a construction site, right because if rocks and
stuff get bounced around or fall off the object, it
could be damaging if you hit you in the head.
But that that'll stop and prevent it from Think about
the helmage, think.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
About their modern warfare, global war and terror, especially rack Afghanistan.
With modern body arm and everything. You see all these
amputees coming back, people coming back with all sorts of
massive injuries which would normally would kill you, but it's
caused the body arm has kept them alive. And a
lot of people are like, man, I missed my arm,
but I'm glad to be alive, you know what I mean.
It's just it's because the body arm, I'm alive.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I think the kevlar helmet that we wear, which is
pretty much unchanged since the early nineteen eighties, it's very reliable.
It's fantastic for ballistic purposes, and I was sold on
it just before I went in the Army. I came
in the army in nineteen eighty three, and I remember Grenada,
we had an NCO that was shot square right in
the middle of the forehead by an AK forty seven
and it didn't it did not penetrate the kevlar. He's
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alive today, otherwise he would do in dead a shot
of the head. Yeah, but so I remember that story.
And then then so the moment I got to wear
kevlar after basic training because we had steel pots, and
we still had steel pots in Germany when I got
over there. It was until about a year aftergot that
we finally got kevlars fielded around nineteen eighty five in Germany.
I was happy. The only problem with the kevlars, the course,
is you got spoiled with the steel pots because it
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was basically a way to shower.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
You could put you could put hot water in it
and bathe with that. But you couldn't do that with
the kevlar because all the webbing was inside there. It
just didn't work.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Now you didn't have a liner you could take.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Out, right, yeah, exactly. So it was just yeah, that's right,
because it's all one piece, whereas with the steel pot.
You had a liner that went it was kind of
like fiberglass and you pull it out and then steal pop.
But that steel pot didn't didn't protect anybody. Man, that
that's that thing. I don't know what was meant to stop,
but it wasn't going to stop any bullets. Maybe a
little you know, fleck of steel swine you.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Know, yeah, fragments, Yeah, it's about it.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yeah, but kevlars have definitely that's been definitely been a
game change for protecting soldiers. Also in the battlefield, we
now have you know, the bandages have that stuff that's
made from crustacean shells that that have you know, stocks
the bleeding.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, absolutely right away. It's kind of like those stiptic
pins or whatever they're called for. Whenever you're shaving, it's
like a bunch of that kind of if you will,
you put.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
It right on there, you're you're clawting right away. Yeah,
it's pretty amazing. We're battlefield medicine. It's gone of course,
you know, I mean, look, we're not trying to promote
warfare here, but.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
No, no, no, no at all.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
But but but for sure, militaries have led the events,
particularly when it comes to health for centuries. I mean,
the reason we we learned how to defeat malaria is
because the army went to Cuba, and you know, and
then and then we were losing. We lost more soldiers
to malaria than anything else. And so the initial treatments
that the army developed for malaria, it proved to be
effective at least at that time. And you know, with
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things like methylico were developed by the US Army. You know,
although people were meficans fallen out of favor, But the
point is it was it was it was a first
line of defense for a long time. But military medicine
has always been ahead of much of civil society at
a necessity to save lives.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
True, And think about the technology that we use on
a daily basis too, that it comes from military research
development and of course the space programs as well, and
that that's helped with our technology. Well, imagine this.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
You know that William Shatner, Captain Kirk, got to live
long enough to use a communicator, a cell phone and
fly to space. He did.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
He was a ninety, right, and he's still alive kicking
all this fantasy exactly. The only one from the main
cast is still alive. I think right, original series. I
believe this No No Sula was still alive. Yeah, he
is still alive. Correct, Yeah, that's right. Yeah, they didn't.
They didn't allow him the cartoon. By the way, I
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don't know a lot I remember the series. They had
the continuation in cartoon format.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
George Takai and William Shatner, I think are the only
remaining original crew members still live.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Because I'm sorry, Yes, correct, he's craze lefty and I
was gonna say he's a lunatic left I don't care
that he's gay. I don't care that he's gay. It's
just a lefty nonsense he throws out that I don't
really care for.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
He's definitely a whack OFDLL. So so, speaking of military developments,
I don't know if you saw this. New York Times
ran a story about Ukraine and women, and the story
about the Ukraine whinny is that a lot of them
are pregnant, apparently because a lot of the cowards ran
off to Germany and Poland to escape the war. So
there's a massive shortage of men. And of course they've
had a lot of fatalities in combat, and so seventy
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thousand Ukrainian women have volunteered to serve in the Signal
Corps and you know, medical field and all kinds of things,
and a lot of these women are pregnant and they
serve until the seventh month of pregnancy. This is insane.
We don't allow women who are pregnant to deploy forward.
But you know, desperate times call for different mess desperate measures,
I guess. But it's pretty frightened because I'm sure that
a lot of these children are probably lost through you know,
(43:07):
spontaneous abortions, miscarriages, combat, you know that sort of thing.
It seems to me to be rather fullhard to do that.
But I understand Ukraine's position, they're in desperation mode. But still,
I mean, that's it's pretty sad thing to see that
women in their seventh month are serving on the front
lines in the conflict.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
That's sick, right, yeah, absolutely. Well, let me ask you
if you weren't on last week Trump had this summit,
if you want to call it that, the meeting with
Putin there in Alaska, what are your thoughts about what
came out of that? Not much really came out of it,
what are your thoughts? Well, I think a lot came
out of it.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
We just don't know what came out of it because
they didn't disclose it. So that's that's my take on it.
I watched it, and I actually broadcast it before I left,
and my take on the whole thing was that it's
kind of what I expected. I didn't expect to see
any major news come out of that situation. I expected
to see that that they would meet and Trump would
then talk with the Europeans and Zelenski and try to
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sort something out. But I suspect that Trump kind of
gave put in the Riot Act and he said, listen, dude,
jigs up. We're not playing this game anymore. Joe Biden's
not here. We're not going to fuel Ukraine. But we're
also not going to you know, let you guys get
a free pass. You know, this is enough this blood letting.
You know. Trump has ended one war after another. I mean,
why is this guy getting multiple Nobel Peace Prizes. I mean,
he ended the war in the Congo, although it'll probably
(44:20):
start again, but he ended He ended the war and
the Caucuses that you know, it's just it's just he
kept North Korea from watching intercontinental blissed missiles his first
time around. You know, he the Abraham Accords, He ended
the war in Iraq, he ended the war in Afghanistan.
You know, the guy nobody's ended this many wars in
the history of human kind and they still look at
him unfavorably. It's it's it's a really a twisted world.
(44:42):
The Nobel Committee full a bunch of leftist lunatics that
really need to get it up together. I know that
the Prime Minister, i think primister of Pakistan is nominated
Trump for the Peace Prize, and a couple others have
done it as well. It's time they give it to him.
They gave it to Barack Obama and then he started
three wars, yeah, and killed him Americans.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
You know, extra judicial remember that.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
I think they give it to a drama just before
or just as just after he went into office. It's
like he didn't even get a chance of doing anything already.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Gave it to him, right because they they what was
the one of the Nobels. One of the people on
the panel said it was because the ideas of what
he was talking about. It's why he got it. I'm like,
get out of here. You don't get you don't get
a peace prize cause the ideas you have. I could
sleep all day and have dreams, and like, do I
get peace prize cause of my dream?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (45:25):
I don't think so. Same thing.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
You know. The Nobel Committee gave Yasa Arafat a peace
prize and this guy's a noted terrorists and who'd never
done anything for peace, you know, And he realized the
Oslo Accords were there and they had agreement to first
two stage solution. And now we hear the left crying about,
let's have a two state solution. Well, the two state
solution was offered and ahu Barack lost his Prime ministership
because he put it all on the line. And you know,
(45:49):
the the the Palestinians walked away from it because they
didn't want it. They don't want a two stage solution.
They wanted the elimination of the Jewish state. They want
the Jews driven into the seas. They want the Christians
driven into the sea. They want to change history in
the way that it never existed. You know, Christians were
there the long before, and Jews were there long before. Muslims. Uh,
they the Johnny come Lately's on the scene. It wasn't
until six twenty three that they emerged out of the
(46:11):
Saudi Peninsula, and Christianity predates that by long ways, and
then Judy is by five thousand years.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
So listen, it's it's it's it's.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
It's interesting how the Nobel Committee just hands out these
things like bubble gum to noted terrorists. And Nelson Mandela
got one too, But to be fair, I think he
and the cleric deserved it because they had basically a
peaceful transition for the most part into post apartheid South Africa.
But yatsa era fat, give me a break, man, that's
just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah, oh, big, big time for sure. Yeah, they're just
them of the nose that people and that love freedom,
democracy and you know, liberty. That's what they were doing.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah. Well, the Trumpster, I don't think he's going to
get one because they just don't like Trump. But it's
a shame because he certainly deserves one for you know,
ending conflicts. He's the peacemaker. He's the biggest peacemaker seen
in living memory. I mean, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
I don't know, Chris, anybody who just takes office and
wins elections riles up the left by doing so, and
they go all the left people go out in the
street and riot and carry on with Antipha like they do.
I don't know, does he deserve one?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Well, Listen, I criticized Trump in the first term quite
a bit because the federal Gramy did very little stop
the insurrection in Seattle Capitol Autonomous.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Yeah, think about this. Trump has two people who ran
for president as Democrats, one had eventually had to run
as an independent. Talking about Kennedy in his cabinet right now,
think about that.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Yeah, Taulci Gabbert and RFK Jr.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
And Tulsi was here today at the convention. I got
to hear from her. She spoke for about twenty minutes,
and then after that the VA secretary came and spoke
about twenty twenty five minutes. They were both pretty good.
Several people were rumbling about, you know, Tulsi. You know,
it's like her politics, she's an opportunist this and that.
I said, yes, she may be an opportunist, but at
the same time, she's on the right side of this
at the moment. So you know, let's get and see
(48:01):
what happens.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
Where they get the idea she's an opportunist because she's
the one to put her neck out there. She's the
one that left the party and pretty much called them
all out nowhere to go.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
It was just a couple people standing sitting around, and
then a couple people disagreed with that. They're like, let's
give her a shot, you know, and see what happens.
And that's what I said. Let's give her a shot, folks.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
I'm one of those people that have served the Intelligence Committee,
and I don't think she's even remotely qualified to She's not.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I agree with you on that one. But at the
same time, I say, you know, give her a shot
to prove whether she's genuine or whether she's just being
an opportunist. You know, I think I was one of
I was one of those guys that thinks, okay, she's
an opportunist. But I want to see where it goes,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
I always I thought Taulsi Gabert was more about Tulsa Gabert, and.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
I agree, But I've come to the point now where
I want to see where it goes, to see if
I was right initially. That's what I want to do
right now.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
We're going to find out eventually, I mean, oh yeah,
oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
The true colors will come out if that if my
initial thought was right, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Did you guys see that Kamala Harris I believe broke
federal election law. Pretty confident she broke the federal election
law because what they did is that, you know, they
burned through one point five billion dollars in just fifteen weeks.
Do that? How do you do that? Trump spent like
a third of that and whipped her. You know, but
they won every every single battleground state and won electoral
college and the popular vote. But she burned through one
(49:21):
point five billion dollars in just fifteen weeks and wound
up twenty million in the whole. Remember that was initially
reported they were twenty million short. So apparently the Democratic
National Committee gave her the twenty million so she could
falsely claim that she had balanced books when her campaign
was over, and now she's pimping her donors to pay
back the Democratic National Committee. I'm pretty sure that violates
(49:42):
federal election law. But I guess we'll find out if
anyone goes after her. But I think most people just
don't just want to see the backside of Kamala Harrison.
No one wants to hear cackles again. She just yeah,
she's not running for government California. R.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
I'm glad you said. Speaking of California, I saw today
there was somebody posted and it said, you know, just
says a thousand words, you know, And it was Gavin
news him with his little security detailed his little entourage
walking by beside homeless people, him ignoring them, with a
nice latte in his hand, just walking like this and
nice sunglasses that were probably worth two three hundred bucks,
(50:15):
you know. And the sea was whearing probably his twelve
hundred dollars suit. That's crucive.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Gavy Newsom, all right, completely disconnected from the people, the
peasants of California that he's impoverished, to his stale policies.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
In that picture, there was a homeless guy kind of
looking back, kind of like trying to say, hey, hello,
give me and he just had was up latte walking forward.
Speaker 5 (50:34):
That was it.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
Oh, you you do realize he wants to run to
be president of the United States, but wasn't his own
people in California was trying to recall him. I mean,
I'm going to look as that for somebody whos there
of the presidential candidate.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
I've got family out there in California, and then some
of them are friends with a lot of Democrats, and
they're like, they're Democrat friends with like wanting to recall
him as well because he's so horrible. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
Well, I've lived in California twice. In the nineteen sixties
is a small child when my mother worked for the
La Biancas. Of course, yeah, they were murdered by the
Manson clan, but.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, the Tate Loveca murder as Wow, yeah she was.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
She was a teller at the grocery store at that
Lavianca is owned. And we left California after that, and
then I lived there as an adult and and I
can say that the land of Milk and Honey has
become lamb with the sewage and homelessness and then just
totally broken. And I haven't gone back to California since
twenty eighteen. That was enough. San Francisco was disgusting. People
take defecating on the streets. Yeah, I was out there
(51:28):
in the corner.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
I wasn thing out there. You had to go find,
did you.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
I was in San France a few years ago. Man,
you had to dodge turds on the side of the
road or the sidewalk, you know, people just defecating.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
Like you said, don't talk about it. I feel like
that they got you.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
You had a dodge turns yeah and yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
No, it's it's look I mean, I mean, I had
toothless prostitutes walk up to me after I walked out
of the mote. I mean, like I used my points
because I couldn't afford say that it was four hundred
and eighty five dollars to stay in a Hampton and
in San Francisco, and I walked. I didn't pat and
payta I used. I used a lot of points, like
one hundred thousand points the Hilton. And I walked out
the street to stretch my legs after I got there,
(52:04):
because I've flown in and took the train up there.
And I walked down the street and the toothless prostitute
comes up me and then I'm like sorry, sorry, And
then I look down the alley where she was trying
to come out of it, and I see rats the size
of docks and is running around, you know. And then
I walked to the corner and I got across the street.
It's like eleven o'clock at night, is drops his pants
and defecates right there on the street corner. I'm like,
what the heck? And then you know, I crossed the
(52:26):
street and I'm make sure I go around what he
left behind. And there's hypodermic needles on the street. And folks,
I'm not making this story up. This is this is
just three blocks from where the new Candlestick Park is
whatever they call that, whether they play you down on the.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Water right the beautiful stadium, and it's like you have that,
and we're all around there.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Yeah. And then and then the next day, as I'm
in the morning, as I'm walking two streets over into
the center of the heart of San Francisco, the shopping
dis and every thing, you know, like where the street
car comes down, it does a little turn around there
the ri Seroney moment. There the cops are walking around
with disheveled shirts, their guts hanging over their belts. Yeah,
the shirts on, button their cruisers with dense and rust
(53:04):
in them. I'm like, this is law enforcement. I mean, this,
this city is, this is completely gone. And of course
this is this is where Nancy Pelosi is representative of.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
Yeah, buddy, mine, he was out there. He said he
wentness a fist fighting like a police officer. He points
over and he goes, and the police officer goes.
Speaker 3 (53:19):
That was exactly whatever. They just tolerate everything out there,
and as a result, you have lawlessness, and you have
your drug addicts, and you have all kinds of problems
out there. It's a shame because San Francisco is a
lovely place. The last time I've been there before in
twenty eighteen was nineteen eighty nine, a month before the earthquake,
the North Ridg's earthquake, which was it was incredible. It
was an amazing city. I absolutely enjoyed. I stayed in
the pre city of San Francisco, so it was still
(53:39):
a US mid translation. And that's, of course, around the
time they filmed that movie The Presidio with Meg Ran.
Right after that, Yes, Sean Connery and what's his name,
the former USC guy, the guy played in n Cis
I think he was, And that was.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah, yeah quarterback, yeah, stand for quarterback yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know I'm talking about Dina. Yeah,
So that that was they filmed that, and they did
that at the Officer's Club, and I was staying right
there by the Officer's Club. So it's pretty cool. But
it was a fantastic time out there. But then I
came back in twenty eighteen, like, ough, this this city
is is gone. It's so sad to see. And it's
still outrageously ridiculous expensive to do anything in San Francisco
(54:22):
and it's just gone dogs. It's such a shame. California
was such a paradise and it's just been ruined by
out of control illegal immigration and leftist political authorities did
have nothing but disdain for tax paying citizens.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yeah, Lucas Films and I think Indose were like Magic
has some offices right there in the presidio. We got
to do a minor tour of some of that and
walk through some of the office which was cool. Friend
of mine who I was on the trip with, he
knew some people who worked there, so they got to stand,
we got to walk around. It's kind of cool seeing
all that stuff. Erotic.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
We were active due to military members and you know,
we have to get permission to enter the presidio. You
know that was that was that was a military base
for three hundred and fifty almost fourty years. Yeah, the Spanish,
the Spanish founded it with It's why it was presidio.
It's it's been ever since. But yeah, so folks, I'm
still in England, uh, and I'll be here. So next week,
wherever I'm at, I'll i'll try to dial in from
(55:12):
there and see how it goes and and well, uh,
we'll chat again. But you guys got the next hour.
I'm sure you've got plenty to talk about. The Trumpsters
keeping everybody busy and on their toes here, a lot
of people complaining that he's become a socialist because.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
We have a stake in Intel. Now, yeah, we'll be
safe over there. Hopefully we get a get some more
updates on rugby next week. I'll look forward to that.
I'm not check it out on ESPN and try to
get into it.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
It's a fantastic game and I think you'll find it interesting.
The problem with rugby and States is you can't find
in a broadcast network, so you have to have a
lot of subscriptions. All right, folks, that's the first hour.
I'm gonna hand it off to my colleagues TODM. McKinley
and John Groven for the next hour. Thanks and from England,
cheers and enjoy the rest of the evening.
Speaker 5 (55:53):
Take care, guys, WSMN fifteen ninety WSMN ninety five point
(56:19):
three FM, NASHAUA listen watch in stream at WSMN dot Live.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
All right, folks, we're back on the Comonssistant service. I'm
Tommy Kinley. I'm joining you from Tampa, not in Northeast Tennessee.
As usual, John Grobner hold down the studio, and of
course Colonel Chris White was on in the first hour.
He had to drop off. And I just got a
note from somebody saying that that our live stream has
probably dropped off. And I just checked a few of
the places that I posted, and I think it has stopped.
But for those who generally watch it on online, on
(56:48):
social media or whatever, I think we're gonna take a
quick look at that see what happens. But you can
look at WSMN dot Live. That's w SMN dot Live
and listen to it.
Speaker 3 (56:59):
There.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Person who just text him and who listens to the
show quite regularly in Tennessee let me know that the
live stream was down, but they are online listening to
it on the live stream on the radio station's website
w sm and dot Live. Folks, just so you know,
we'll take a look at that, see what happens. If
we can't get it back up tonight, no problem there.
You could certainly stream us later on download us at
(57:21):
many different podcast locations, Spotify in several places, Rumble, Twitch,
et cetera, et cetera. But yeah, it is down, I
guess at the moment, not a big deal. We're gonna
truck right along. Colonel Chris White gonna be still in
England next week, and of course he'll be coming back,
as he said just before he dropped off there, you
know mid September. He loves some travel, doesn't he, John.
Speaker 4 (57:45):
He does. Chris likes being a world traveler. He's quite
good at it, obviously, right. But yeah, I know, we
all we are definitely not live on Facebook any along
we were at one time. I don't know what's going
on with Facebook, Todd All I do. I do Patriot
Confederation with Billy in Tuesday nights and never even come
up on Facebook. So when I build it up, it
creates an event, and when we go live, it comes
(58:06):
out that event and goes into the normal post uh page.
And and I didn't do it last night tonight. It
went in there and I'm both spoke because we do
comments and conservatives on Facebook and also we have Truckers Broadcasting,
so I put it on both sites and there are
two different pages and both of them are are definitely
(58:26):
so Facebook just stinks. Well, we do have YouTube. If
you like the visuals and you want to comment, you
can go to Truckers and Brought Back Casting Network or
t IBN on YouTube. It feel free to subscribe. Why
you're there, I can use a few extra subscribers. I
got so few, but uh yeah, you can go there
and catch it if you want to, if you want
to comment and there.
Speaker 2 (58:48):
Yeah, we gotta we gotta comment here from South Africa,
Haint greetings from South Africa. Early morning goodness, and I'm like, yeah,
absolutely appreciate you guys watching and listen down there. And
if you're just joining us from South Africa. Colonel Chris
why I did, had to jump off here in jolly
old England, London and he'll be there until September covering
the Women's World Cup rugbat, which is which is interesting
and of course, like I said, I in the first
(59:10):
hour watched a little bit of the women's of the
the American and against England, and I was like, man,
this is kind of interesting. But the US was getting
their butts swooped and it was almost to the end
of it. So I just went went a haad and
turned it off. But apparently it was an interesting game
early on. But you know that the England just blew
it wide open. And I think there I think favored
as Chris said them were or did he say New Zealand.
(59:31):
I believe it was to the top teams in the world,
which is which you know, I get it. You're gonna
get beat, get beat by the best team in the world.
That's the way I look at.
Speaker 4 (59:38):
It, right, Well, sometimes the best team in the world
has a bad day.
Speaker 2 (59:41):
Well that's true. There's a saying here in America that
you know, it goes with the NFL football. With any
given Sunday, right, any given Sunday or any given day,
the worst team can beat the best team. You know,
you are a professional teams. It doesn't mean just because
you're the best team that you're always gonna win. It
does happen. People get upset on a regular But whenever
you play like baseball, for example, or basketball over the
(01:00:01):
course of a season where you play series Uh, generally
the better team is gonna win the majority of those games,
but not necessarily every game.
Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
Well, I remember when the Patriots absolutely stun They were
like like the bottle used to them in Tampa Bay.
They were neck for neck for losing, and suddenly, man,
they just put together the dream team.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
You know. Then, yeah, that goes back there whenever the
owner ship, I'm blanking the guy's name, and yeah Craft,
thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
And then of course Bill Belicheck. And then you had
Drew Bledsoe if you remember him, he played for I
think wash Washington or Washington Washington State or yeah, Washington
stateably was out of college, one of the top quarterbacks
during that time. Uh, got him, got him on the map,
and actually got them into the super Bowl, and and
and then watched his name? Who's that guy who won
all those super Bowls for them? Do you know his name?
Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Pretty pretty boy. They're gonna they're gonna make a memorial
over now.
Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Yeah, yeah, what's his name? Greatest quarterback of all time?
To go?
Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
I don't know this, TV. Do you remember your remembers
named Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
I did, Okay, I started to believe you myself.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
No, No, but he was a rookie that year, I believe, right, Uh,
and he came in later in the later in that
season and got him in. They won the Super Bowl,
and of course Drew Blood so won that his won
super Bowl that that particular with Tom Brady as a rookie,
I think, or maybe it was Tom Brady's second year.
I can't remember, Uh, early early in Tom Brady's career,
(01:01:28):
and of course that was the handoff. Tom Brady from
that point was the quarterback. But he inherited, you know,
a really good team to help start hit his career,
uh during that time. And of course they just built
from that point on and built a great team around
Tom Brady won all those super Bowls and of course,
you know, I tipped the cap to him, and of
course the Patriots, Uh, they put into the sweat equity
(01:01:48):
and of course they put a lot of money into it,
but they deserve to win. They were a better team.
Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Yeah. I think they had some uh, really good coaches,
really good strategist, really good play. They just been used to.
Like you said, they put a lot of money into it.
They do the right picks and they made a great
team and they kept it. They had a formula. It's
what they did. If you ever noticed the Patriots, man,
they wouldn't be coming in so hot. They could be
losing their butts off, but that second half they'd be
(01:02:13):
nailing it, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Oh absolutely, yeah they would. They would adjust tack or whatever,
and you back out there and go at it.
Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
It was like they were just great under pressure. I mean,
I'm not a big football fanatic or anything. I'm very
seldom watched, to be honest, but they've had all right. No,
I did see some of the Super Bowls and I
sit there and watch them against the Eagles, and I'm
telling you, man, first half they were getting slaughtered. The
second half they started making a comeback. That last quarter
they nailed them left and right. I mean they just
took that and run. They were done.
Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
It was like, I have people rotten for the Eagles
with me sitting in the room, and they just had
this dumb look on their face, like I don't believe
what just happened. Well, I'm laughing my butt off because
this is just how they operate.
Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Right, absolutely, you know. And it's funny. I go back,
you know, watching football, and I wouldn't watch every Sunday
or somebody you know, watched some big games and I'd
watch the Super Bowl obviously, you know, I remember, I
remember the Bills, you know, when they lost all those
Super Bowls and everybody's like, oh, the Bills sucked. The
Bill suck. First off, they're in the Super Bowl, for
crying out loud. They dominate during the season. You can't
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you can't go after them just because they lost the
Super Bowl. Yeah, they didn't close the deal. But guess what,
you can't say that they're not one of the greatest teams,
you know, in history by making that many Super Bowls.
You know what I'm saying at that at that point
in Bill's history, maybe not of all time, but one
of the greatest teams during that period. You can't take
that away from You can't fault that.
Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Well, it's like the Steelers had to run for a
while with Bradshaw and of course Cowboys. I mean, they
haven't won a Super Bowl in well since God was
a kid. But remember Roger stall Back and Tony Dorsett
back in the day. We're talk about way back in
the day now.
Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Yeah, but you got to think about this with the
Steelers at the Cowboys and then of course the Patriots.
That's your three, you know, with regards to Super Bowl
that they had the most Super Bowls amongst those three. Yeah, Patriots,
and I believe Steelers is second, then Cowboys is right
there in the running for maybe third, I.
Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Guess I think so like you went toumb one early
nineteen eighties, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Yeah, Cowboys were winning those Super those last they won three,
three or three in like four years, right, they won
two back to back. I think Jimmy Johnson he left
and Barry Switzer came in and he won one with him, right,
he left Oklahoma and came to Dallas and won another
Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
I believe the details that well man.
Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Something like that. Yeah, yeah, well, I like I grew
up liking the Cowboys and they were the team that
was winning whenever I was born, you know, And of
course I watched them through the eighties and into the nineties,
and of course, you know, I don't really watch sports
these days. You know, I like the brains growing up.
Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
And I was a guy who loved football. Yeah, well,
I like to play. You know, we had three people.
We had some action going on. It might be just
the ball and stuff, but you know, we had something
going on four people little sand lot action. Yeah, we
got a whole group of kids together. Man, we were
tearing each other up big time.
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
You would tackle, you do everything, you.
Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
Know, Yeah, we held nothing you.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
You wouldn't go ahead to head and hit you, but
you would tackle for sure. You know. It'd be more
like wrapping, wrapping up down low or hit them, you know,
mid sex. But you were trying to hurt somebody. But yeah,
we played tackle for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Well you don't go spearing them or something.
Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
No, nothing like that. No, nothing like that. And you
wouldn't do some sort of crazy like shoulder hit where
you break a collarbone. But occasionally you would though occasionally.
Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Would it could happen. I mean we've had I mean,
you know, covered a day or two.
Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
But absolutely. But you know, whenever University of Tennessee football
was on, we'd stop playing. We'd go watch the game,
and if they weren't playing night, we go watch the game,
go back out and start playing again, you know, or
watch them. If there was a big game like say
Notre Dame Michigan, we'd stop watch that game, you know,
and go back out and play.
Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Yeah, back in the days when you knew it was
time to go home and the street lights came on, and.
Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Yeah, oh yeah, well we had we had flood lights
around our house, and we would try to play like
night night football and a night with football and stuff
out in the yards and stuff like that. But at night,
because you didn't have like stadium lights, you know, you're
using you know, flood lights and some some lights in
the in the driveway. You change your rules a little
bit for night time, you know, to to which is cool.
Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Did you get to your dad's shoe polish and put
the black line under your eyes?
Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
No, nothing like that. I actually had the black stick,
by the way, I think I still did.
Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
You.
Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
I went through my old baseball stuff a few years ago,
and I don't know that I kept it in there,
but I still had a couple of those sticks. There's
a little I don't know what they're what they're called,
but uh, you know, we still had a couple of those.
They were dried out as all hack. I think I
left them in there just for nostalgia. You know, my
little bat bag that we had.
Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
Uh yeah, I don't think I had anything like that.
I don't know. I don't even know if it worked
or not, but I remember it you know, people would
have to draw the light.
Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
I had the cool baseball glasses that would flip up,
you know, they just kind of go straight back. You
had a little strap on that.
Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
Those were cool, oh sports glasses.
Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Yeah, yeah, and you just pop it down, catch it
pop up so cool. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
Back in the day, man, back in the day was
a different place.
Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Yeah, it helped you catch that pop plot that you
would have lost in the sun had you not had
those cool sunglasses on them and that little black you
know whatever whatever it's called. I don't even know. The
blackout stuff, blackout whatever, you know, not black face. Folks,
don't try to play us on that one. No, no,
they said black face. No we did not. We said
the black stick stuff that goes under the eyes helps
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block helps Basically, what it does it blocks the glare
from your cheeks. That's what it does. Yeah, because whenever
you're looking up because you get that glare, it helps
keep that out and it helps you find the ball
a little bit easier. Obviously, if the suns in your eyes,
it's not going to help you that way, but it
does help a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
I've always been told that it was too absorb the
light away from your eyes. That my idea of catching
a pop fly was shielding in the sun with one
hand and using the glove with the other, going like.
Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
This and hold your hold your let glove hand up.
Maybe I did that one time. I wasn't playing T ball.
I think it was my first year in T ball.
You know. They put me playing the catcher and te
ball because all the other guys were older than I was.
I was like the youngest guy on the team, so
they put me playing catcher. And here I was. They
I think it was a throw from like third base
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or some maybe shortstop home and I kind of closed
my eyes, put my glove out and went like this
and caught the ball and tagged somebody out. And everybody's like, yeah,
great catch, great tag. And I'm like, I didn't see
the catch at all.
Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
I closed my eyes and I liked, huh, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Played it off. I was like, yeah, no big deal.
And and in that game I got a good hit too,
you know, so I was like the hero of the
game or something. I was like, all right, it feels good.
Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
It feels good. It's all, but it feels good.
Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
It was.
Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
It was a fluke, you know. I kind of had
a squinty kind of doing like this, and I caught it.
Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
No problem was they hit your glove. You knew was
there and you just squeezed right.
Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
The fundamentals at that point kicked in is like once
you can close it, clinch it, put the other hand
over it to make sure it doesn't bounce out. If
it does, you can hold it. I put the tag
on the person and got got her out, and it
was a girl that I talked out. Oh my god,
you remember exactly who it was too.
Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
By the way, I'm not gonna playing girls. You're playing
against girls on man t ball.
Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
So you had girls in there. You know it's T ball.
Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
So what gate or something?
Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Yes, I don't know how probably I think kindergarten. That's
how old it was. So it was really yeah, yeah,
and I played on the Pirates. Loved it.
Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
You remember it cuent pretty well, Todd.
Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
I remember the teams I was on. Come on, now, hey,
I've been somewhere before and I and I've told people like, yeah,
my first team I was on. I was on the Pirates,
and people thought, oh, you're in the big leagues, And sure,
I didn say it was a major league baseball the
little Bloomingdale Optimus League or Bloomingdale Recreation League. U uh,
you know t ball and pitch baseball league. Baby, it
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was babe, both league. Yeah, yeah, big leagues for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Nobody got to know, right, it felt like the big
leagues to you.
Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Absolutely. It was fun. You know, it was a good time.
You know, I loved it, loved you know, we played
played I think till twelve years old in that in
that in those leagues, you know, you had the different
pitch leagues and then of course from that did some
travel baseball, high school, and you know onwards from there
to the big leagues. You know, yeah, the Army not
that he Yeah, that's about that. Good times though.
Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
So how do you feel about Trump using the National Guard?
I mean, are you feeling okay with that?
Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
I am with regards because I mean DC is a mess,
I mean overrun. You know, you got to clean it up.
And if you use the National Guard appropriately, you know,
he has ever every right, every authority. And of course
d C is not a state, okay, So d C
is a federal city that allows from some autonomy and
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that's why you have a mayor city council and all
that and some local you know, you have police, et cetera.
But Congress is essentially are the people who oversees that,
you know what I'm saying, as they should. Our nation's
capital should never be a state. It should be kind
of a quasi neutral zone, if you will. You know
what I'm saying. The left wants to make it a state.
So you have two senators and one or two representatives.
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I'm like, we're not going to stack the deck that way.
Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
I don't know what it is about capitals of states
and capitals of the nation, but it sure he gets
in an in the day with leftists.
Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Well, generally metropolitan and urban areas generally have more people
that are on the left for sure. Uh, and people
that live out kind of you know, out in other
communities and stuff like. Generally those people are more independent
minded type people, you know what I'm saying. They're they're
more handy. Uh, they don't need a lot of the
services to to to get by. They don't need all
the conveniences because they're they're generally more hardy people.
Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Self sustaining. They know how to get by on their own,
and they don't they don't need me.
Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Maybe not necessarily self sustaining. But but they can go
out and work and they're handy, they're crafty, they can build,
and of course they can repair stuff. Versus people in
the cities. They don't really necessarily have those skills. I'm
not saying that they all of them don't, but many
people don't because they don't have to. You know, if
you live in apartment complexes or housing projects, whatever, generally
you're not doing a lot of things that other people
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are doing that have houses in suburban areas or farms
and things of that nature. Yeah, it's it's it's it's
it's just it's just a difference to the way you live,
in the way you're born raised. It's not no flight
to anybody necessarily.
Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
Though, right so, Philip, you missed the Colonel. I'm sorry.
He's here for the first hour, but since he's overseas tonight,
he's not gonna he could be state for the second
hour because it's late in England. But thank you for
joining us, though I hope you'll stay for a bit,
maybe you'll enjoyed a little bit of what we're doing here.
So for the National Guard, the thing about it is
people don't realize Trump has a legal authority. Yeah, has
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a legal like he's talking about Illinois. Technically, Trump has
the illegal authority. Let me read this to you. I
did this last night. I'm gonna go ahead and do
this night on this show for different listeners. According to
ten of the US Title Codes, Title ten US Code
Section two fifty three, interferance with state and federal law,
the President, by using the militia or the armed forces,
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or both, or by any other means, she'll take such
measures as he considers necessary to suppress in a state
in the insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if
it won so hinders the execution of the laws of
the state. And if the United States, within the state,
that any part or a class of its people is
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deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in
the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities
of the state are unable, fail or refuse to protect
that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection,
or to opposees or structure the execution of the laws
of the United States, or impedes the course of justice
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under those laws. I think that's a pretty deep broad
I mean, that's a pretty big law for a couple
of paragraphs. But if I'm reading that correctly, and if
I understand that correctly, Todd, pretty much Trump can use
the armed forces. So like the southern border, he didn't
have to put a wall down there. Technically he could
have took the armed forces down there, to Texas, to
New Mexico and Arizona and now one of those states
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could have done a thing. Even California, they couldn't do
a darn thing against them, And he could have used
armed forces down there. There were times when drug cartels
were use the helicopters and uh uh, military grade firearms
against our border patrol agents. Now Trump could be putting
a tank down there and shooting them out of the
sky and not a thing anybody in this country could
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do or say about it.
Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Yep, absolutely, you know, he can't use you know, the
military as law enforcement, you know within the borders of
the US like posse coomatatas. Now they can back up
you know, the local law enforcement as they're doing in
DC uh and things of that nature. But there are
certain restricts that that are in place for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
But he can't broadband it said armed forces, militia or
any boy any other means, by any other means necessary. Well,
I mean back, if you go the twenty twenty election,
when he was talking about election fraud, he technically could
have been shutting things down for investigative purpose, using the
military to investigate for there.
Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Yeah, there's limitations though with her, you know, there's insurrection,
armed rebellion, things change. Obviously, he can use the military
as militaries intend it, but posse comatadis law still still apply,
so they can't really be police officers out pulling people
over this and that they can augment the.
Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
Dec obviously, not using the armed forces, right people, speeding tickets, no, no, no,
And of.
Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Course you can't force people to house the military in
your houses things of that nature. It's against the constitution obviously.
But he can use them to augment law enforcement, you know,
do a lot a lot of things that to free
up law enforcement to go actually pursue crimes. They can
observe things, they can do roadblocks, they can do checks,
they can do you know, they can stop people do
and do do driver's license checks and things of that nature.
Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
They can make the rest with the help of civilian
officers so in twenty twenty it was brought up.
Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
But D's a federal city, so it does change the
dynamic a little bit, if you will. Now, if he
sends some people over and endo Virginia or Maryland, that
would be a different situation obviously. Yeah, but the fact
that DC's a federal city, I have less of an
issue with this for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
So in twenty twenty, Trump was he was, I mean,
come up in the comments earlier, and Trump was part
acting federal properties, judicial buildings and things like that, courthouses,
and it was being highly criticized by the left for
doing so. But according to what I read, he had
the legal authority to do it. He had an obligation
to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Yep, you know it's true. You got that, right, Yeah,
he had the Well, part of his oath is essentially
to take care that the laws are faithfully executed, right.
Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
Yeah, and protect the executive law.
Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Right. Detecting federal buildings is part of part of that.
Protecting life, limb, eyesight, and buildings, property, et cetera. Absolutely,
that's taxpayer property. And I don't want my property destroyed.
I don't want my house destroyed, and I don't want
the federal buildings that I had to pay for and
then would have to pay to rebuild or repair to
be destroyed. I'm sorry. I'd rather keep my tax dollars
in my pocket if I can.
Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
Absolutely, and that's what they were doing and why they
were teared on statues. They're doing all sorts of things
that I mean, the FBI did a fairly decent job.
I mean, they use official recognition software and things like
that where they can identify prop traders during these events
so they don't have to go running out there Johnny
on the spot start making arrest. They don't do their damage,
just commit the crimes, and they come back about, you know,
two three weeks later and say, oh, by the way,
you're under arrest, right, And a lot of people don't
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realize that you fouled the FBI. Even in twenty twenty,
a lot of those people were being arrested. Now, whether
Kamala Harrison and Act Blue group and all that was
getting them out of trouble, that's a whole other issue,
you know, I mean liberal judges and stuff. In fact,
we had here you asked about New Hampshire and I
found out thing about a killer who was freed So
a guy was before a judge and the judge freedom
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without bail, and he went back and killed his wife.
Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
Of course of these liberal judges, man, they get out
of hand.
Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
They don't want to they don't want to hold people
accountable for their actions. I don't know what. I don't
know the details. I don't know why he was before the judge,
but she let him out. It wasn't judge, excuse me,
it was a magistrate and nobody he would look over, uh,
to assess these things before it goes to the judge.
Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
I think, yeah, yeah, I think magistrates have have I
think a different everywhere, but essentially they're there to hear bail,
bond things of that nature, I believe.
Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
Yeah, kind of take up some of the slack for
the judges.
Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Yeah, and I think they can issue like search forms
and things of that nature. I don't believe magistrates here
court cases or anything like that. No, I could be wrong. No,
I don't think wells administrative judge, right, I think.
Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
Something like that. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, no, so you know,
but these local judges, they just think they go too far.
You know, they're turning people loose on the streets. Shouldn't
be turned on the streets. And sometimes they're throwing the
book of people like I don't know, J Sixers right
for what he walked into a building, in which case
they opened the doors and pretty much took you to
go on in.
Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
I mean, yeah, come on in. This isn't a trap.
We're not in trapping you at all. No, come on
in here. We like you.
Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
Yeah, according to that code I was reading, Now, that's
pretty broad. I don't know, I thought that was pretty broad.
I found that quite some time ago, when I was
looking at that kind of assassin. Then I thought that
was pretty broad power for the president. It And like
I was telling the guys last night, you know, I
was speaking to Ram Paul here at the Granite State
Gun Range over here in Hudson, New Hampshire. Okay, And
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this was in twenty sixteen when he's running against Trump
for president, and I asked him, I like, so, what
are we going to do about all these out of
control regulatory agencies? I mean, this is terrible. I mean, you,
as a US senator, I mean we got to we
gotta do something. I mean, if you, if you, if
you went president, great, he goes, well, that's why we
need to elect a good president, right because these and
this is the reason why, because the powers they have
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are incredible, the abilities they have are incredible. But to
stand down. Okay, So we had this trucker issue where
three people died in Florida here a little while ago,
and it turns out he's an illegal alien who wasn't
supposed to be issued a CDO license commercial driver's license. Yeah,
he was by the state of California. We got to
the laws to prevent this sort of thing from happening.
But people like Gavin Newsom say, oh no, no, we
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don't do that. You just go ahead and give him
the license anyway and send them out there. So they
start the laws and there's there's really nothing you can
do about this, right, I Mean, a governor decides he's
just not going to execute the law. He's not going
to execute the law. But President says in Obama prior
to that, had put a standown order against English proficiency.
So if a guy rolls into a way station and
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the officer can't communicate with him because he doesn't speak
English very well, we might know about two words of
the English dictionary. Obama had an executive order saying you
couldn't put him out of service, you had to let
them go, right, huh. So these are people who are
in a position to execute the law, they have these
powers to do so, but they stand down on it literally,
I mean, just deliberately write an executive order to prevent
(01:20:36):
it from happening. Right, It's ridiculousness. So look at a
law like that, you know you stopped thinking, Wow, we
really got to think before we elect. And it's not
just the president, but it's people make a legislative decisions too,
things that they're doing. You know, you can't sit there
and keep electing people that are just ridiculous. Don't even
know half the laws that they're supposed to be out
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there legislating about. You know, there's laws out there already
on the books. And it's Collie Kelly. Don't give Kelly
a credit on that one. Back in the day she
as us Center. She says, we don't need to make
more laws. We need to find a way to enforce
the laws we already have.
Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Right, Yeah, I mean, there's there's so many things that
are on the books that you know, people violate on
a daily basis that if somebody wanted to be technical.
They could get you on. You know, we need to
start repealing a lot of these things.
Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
I remember there's like local ordinances in some towns, like
you can't drive a car, you know, in the town
square on a Saturday morning because you know, farmers you're
bringing their horses and and and and goods to sell
them at market, so you.
Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
Can here's the horses. Yeah right, you know, And I.
Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Know in my hometown that that was on the books
for up until like the apparently recording my dad, I like,
up until the fifties or something. You know.
Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
Yeah, it's nonsense. Yeah, no, that's why when we had
Don Buldeck in him, we wereving Don Bolta did ASTHMA says,
would you do something the way of legislative reviews? See
in an administrative procedure, they have what's called regulatory review,
and regulatory agents are supposed to review their regulations periodically
to make determinations whether effectual, they need changes, modifications, or
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just repeal them. And it helps keep things from getting
sloppy or supposed to do. They don't do it often enough.
I don't think they do it at all really half
the time. But with legislations, we have the same sorts
of problems. We got nonsensical laws, we got contradictory laws
in some cases. Where I brought this up before on
this show and other shows, is Supreme Court rulings where
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especially in Second Amendment, you know you got a right
to transport your firearms. You got to right to firearms
is a form of defense under the under the Constitution.
And to be forced to store your firearm without ammunition
under lock and key or in a box and stuff
like that, it's not ready available for defense, therefore violates
the US Constitution. States still have laws, they still talk
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about this. We hear people going into Congress all the
time saying, hey, you know what, when I make Congress,
we're going to push for laws where you have to
lock up your gun. It's like, don't you know about
the Supreme Court ruling? I mean, do you know not
know anything?
Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Also, how are you going to enforce a law like that?
You know what I'm thinking, I mean, you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
Do Well, it comes down to if there's an accident
in the house and a gun's discharged, and wellmer was
under lock and key. Now it becomes known, right, I mean,
they can't come to your house and inspect.
Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
But but if a kid gets a hold of your gun,
or anybody gets a hold of your gun, I think
it's on you as as the responsible gun owner anyway,
you know you, I think you as an individual have
a responsibility to keep it out of the kid's hands
for sure, keep it and keep it locked up whatever.
I don't think the government should should be able to
tell you that you have to lock it up. I
think as a responsible thought, if you have kids around
that can potentially get to it, young kids especially who
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don't know the difference, even if you're teaching them the difference.
I think you have a responsibility to keep things locked
up and away from them, for sure. But I think
you also, at the same time have every right to
protect yourself, keep it low, to keep it wherever you
want to, but also at the same time keep it
away from kids.
Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
Well you do, I mean your children. You want to
protect them, right, I mean it's natural for even fathers,
much responsible person protect your children. First. My first action, well,
my daughter was maybe five years old. I take the
fire arm out with her and sure the damage you
can do. That's the first thing I want to teach
my kid what kind of damage is going to do
and why this is not a toy. You don't play
with these things.
Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
I was in elementary school, kindergarten, first grade learning about
this stuff. You know, before and of course after, you
got taught a lot of the gun safety, this and that.
In first grade, I was shooting a little twenty two.
I think you had an eight shot pistol, you know
what I mean? Revolved?
Speaker 4 (01:24:27):
Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
But we were doing it responsibly, and we learned about
firearms safety up and down range, how to hold it,
where to point it, not to point it, things like that.
And of course it was such a small caliber. It's
not going to hurt you as you're shooting. It's like
a little pop pop pop, you know nothing.
Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
Yeah, when you learned, I think, well, I got a
twenty two. And they're great for target. They're cheap. You
can just sit there and target practice all day long.
Play you blow three hundred rounds across next to nothing, right, Yeah,
And so I give her the twenty two and she's
over there popping away. We're at the gun range and
she's popping away on the thing. I go, he got
used to that one relatively quick. So now I give
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her the nine millimeter, which is hers, and she fired
down when she turned to looks us, I don't like
this one to give me the other one back a
little kick to it. But you know, people, but they
grow used to it. Once you get used to it,
and you use it enough, practice with it enough, you
that kick really isn't that much of a kick. You
realize that's not what you thought it was. It just
seems stunning at first. But education is key with firearms,
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and we used to. I don't know, I don't know
when it quit happening, but you get images and stuff.
In the nineteen fifties, they had firearms training in schools.
And I'm not talking about hig Schools'm talking about like
elementary schools, middle grade schools. They were having firearms trained.
They were teaching kids how to handle firearms. Yeah, there's
no better or safer way than to teach them how
to handle them so they understand again the dangers of
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missues in them, and they understand how to operate them safely.
Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Yeah. I remember in fifth grade, I remember people not
students but adults who had brought rifles and pistols in
as part of a class to teach us that basically,
how to if you see this, you know, what do
you do and all that stuff. And if you do
happen to hold one, here's how you hold it safely.
Don't point it at your friends. This and that. This
is what it can do. It can kill you, it
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can hurt you whatever, it can kill other people. Don't
don't mess with it, you know, teaching you the safety
if you will, the responsibility angle of the whole thing. Now,
all of a sudden, you even talk about a gun
in school. Everything's on lockdown. And I'm not trying to
make light of a school shooting or anything like that,
you know, But I'm like, we should be talking about
things in our society that people need to know about.
And guns are a part of our society one way
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or another, whether you're a police officer, whether you're just
use them for home protection, hunting, whatever, they're out there.
We should know how to react if we see one.
Don't flip out, don't lose your mind about it, you know,
just don't touch if you don't know how to handle
it and how to be responsible with them. I think
it's it makes sense because so many kids have been
killed just by them thinking it's a toy or just
playing around with it, not knowing anything, and until you
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shoot somebody. You know how any siblings have killed, you know,
a brother or sister or something like that, just because
they didn't know any better.
Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
Accidental discharge. Actually thought it was like a captain or something.
I remember a story from way back in the day
where a law forcement officer come home, removed his firearm
and sit on the table, you know, And this is
what you call being complacent. He sat on the table
and of course his young son picks it up while
he's not looking at it, and he's pointing at his father,
the police officer. Now the police officer quick on his feet,
(01:27:27):
he says, hey, I see you found my gun. I'll
bet you you can't shoot that light out because he
realized the kid was like threatening to squeeze the trigger
around him, so he redirected him to something. Of course,
when the kids squeezed the trigger, he fell back on
his hind quarters and and learned a lesson. But yeah,
so yeah, you know, you got it. You can't be
complacent with him. But the idea was is that he
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redirected the kid. He didn't. He didn't just send there
in a panic and do nothing right.
Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Well, speaking of school shootings in Minnesota, Day obviously we've
talked about that earlier. Of course the news is hit
on it. This is according to Newsmax Walls Governor Walls
urged to boost non public schools security two years ago,
and it says over two years ago Wednesdays to shooting
at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Governor Tim Waltz
was urged to address security concerns that quote non public
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schools end quote in the state, the Daily Wire report
and the course it says, quote we are writing on
behalf of our respective organizations regarding the urgent and critical
need in Minnesota to make sure our schools are security states,
considering the most recent continuing attacks on our schools in
this country and in our state, wrote Jason at Adkin,
EXECUTI director of the Minnesota Catholic Conference and Tim Vince,
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President of men Dependent in an April twenty twenty three letter.
What are your thoughts on that? I think, you know,
if it's a private school, I think that the school
is kind of responsible for the security. If you have
a non public school, what do you think? I mean?
Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
Here, Well, you think anybody that I know. Okay, over
here in Hudson have pm A as a Catholic school.
My daughter attended school there. You go, well there to
the eighth grade, right, and I remember going there to
get her or something, you know, like after class stuff.
But the doors were locked. Yeah, you know, I couldn't
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just walk into the school or wander around the school.
And of course here my wife working over here at
the local schools in Nashville, they do the same thing.
They put window stops or the windows open up just
so high so that we can climb through the windows
and things like that. They take precautions. So you think
the school it self would use some I mean just
common sense right in the title of the show, just
(01:29:38):
common sense you some sort of precautions prevent people from
just accessing the school.
Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Yeah, yeah, I did say. I didn't say I think
private schools or should be responsible for their own security.
But at the same time I should probably say, you know,
internal internal to the building. You know, we're as in
schools like public schools. We have RSOs, if your srs
excise me school resource office. Oh yeah, yep, internally the schools.
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I think the schools should be responsible for that security aspect,
because it's it's a non public school but outside you know,
the grounds, et cetera. I think obviously the police should
have every right to patrol and be on campus, et cetera.
But as far as the SROs are concerned, since it's
a non public school, I think, you know, it should
be respond the individual schools should be responsible. I mean
(01:30:22):
I could be wrong on that. There could be some
sort of agreement that could be reached, you know, which
makes sense, But that's just a thought that comes to mind.
Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
Yeah, I don't know, there's there's a lot of laws
regarding safety and stuff like that, you know, securing the
schools and stuff. I don't know if they have any
laws of Minnesota regarding what the private schools have to
have some kind of security or or be able to
lock up the building or what they do. But it
seems to me, you know, the best, the best defense
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against the weapon. Look, cops aren't going to be sitting
on your front door twenty four to seven. They're not
there to product just you. You are your first line
of fence. And if the government's going to require you
to take your kids to school, to have your kids
at school, then they should provide some sort of line
of defense in the schools. It's a private school, and
I think that would work out with the clientele of
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that school. That somebody should be working something out the
floating the idea of maybe we need armed teachers. Now
when some teachers come in, well, I'm not there to
be a police officer. I'm there to be a teacher.
But some teachers are like, oh, give me the chance,
I'll pack into heat any day. They've got they've got
lockdown systems with doors and stuff where people can't penetrate
through doors, so if there is an emergency, they can
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So I mean, you know, it's just a matter of
taking the right cautions and it's personal responsibility for everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Yeah, but you telling me arming teachers, if you will,
then all of a sudden, now, all of a sudden,
now their focus is are they the main person who's
charge of security? You know, then all of a sudden,
they're not teaching, you know what I'm saying. They should
be focused on the teaching that the kids, and of course,
your your principles, et cetera. Should be responsible for discipline.
You're your SROs. And maybe maybe an appointed administrative officials
(01:32:03):
in charge of security and things of that nature. I
can understand that, but you know, arming teacher.
Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
To me, to me, no, what I hear? What I
hear on that is, I hear why put a fire
extinguisher in the kitchen for the cook? Right, He's not
there to fight fighters. Here's our cook dinners. Dude, if
you got to be a firefighter for a minute, you
got to be a firefighter for a minute teaching children
when firearms start going off?
Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Oh no, I did that, you know, And I've said
in the past, I've seen him said on the show before.
I think the teacher should have to be somebody who's
willing to have a firearm. Nobody should know that they
have that firearm. It should be carried in a certain
way at all times, subject to inspection at any moment
from say the s RO or say the school principal,
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to ensure that you have it in the proper location,
on your set, on your person. Students shouldn't know that
you have if if if, if you are going to
armed teachers, there's a way to do it. I think
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
Why not have private to say they're not people that
were willing to volunteer to protect children at school. I mean,
can we have like privatization that way?
Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
You know, like yeah, but you got to think, I
mean you're talking about if you say volunteers, I mean
how many people are you going to get the volunteer
and for how long are they going to do it? Yeah?
You may, you may get people to show up for
for a short short period of time, but over the
long term that usually falls off because think about any
organization that relies on volunteers, what do you end up having.
You have, say one hundred people who maybe are associated
(01:33:24):
with an organization, but only like ten people show up
on a red Let's let's free phrase.
Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
Let's let's look at the different way. You got a
lot of young people that want to become law enforcement officers.
Now here's an opportunity of them to work with the
law enforcement agency, right with with the local PD or
whatever to maybe they volunteer a certain point of time
before they go into being the loan, before they're going
for training or it's part of their training. So you
train them not how to do the job, but you know,
(01:33:50):
like you would say a volunteer fireman, you would them
how to do the job. Yeah, well, yeah, it might be.
It might be like an incentive for them.
Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Maybe they could be to do Maybe they can be
augmentees to say let's say you have SROs. Maybe you
have two law enforcement officers say it at a school
or maybe just one. I don't, I don't know. Depending
on the size of your school, you may have three,
who knows, maybe more, uh, but maybe as augmentees if
you will that can you know, go around and sure
doors are shut, windows, things like that, you know, separate
(01:34:18):
additional set of eyes and ears and all that good stuff.
You know, whether you arm them or not. I don't
know how you would arm them, you know, it would
depend on maybe the level of training maybe perhaps you know,
but additional personnel I think would be okay for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
Sometimes people hate your security guards. Isn't because the security
guard is gonna pull a weapon and defend their property
or no. But the presence of somebody being there, I'm
going with you here, the president. Presidence of somebody being
there can be enough of a deterrent that nothing's going
to happen.
Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
It makes that target less less of a soft target.
If you have somebody there, I'm actively looking at you,
I'm you know I can report you whatever the case.
Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
Is, got a communication to you.
Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
You don't know if I have a firearm. You don't
know what I have. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, absolut.
Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
But where are you going? You know, if you want
to talk about that. We got janitors in schools that
are moving about the schools all day long. They might
see activity that's abnormal. With a two way communication device
that might be able to alert the SRO, they might
be able alert the office and say hey, we got
some kind of activity. And they got cameras too. So
it's huge to me. There can be some monitoring going
on and a little more effort I don't think, you know,
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as a society, we do. And the thing about it is, guys,
we can see here talking about taking away firearms from
everybody first right, No, but I'm thinking here in my head,
I'm thinking about liberal left, okay, with their argument we'll
just take firearms away from everybody and then nobody else
to worry about it. That's not how that works. We
have black market trafficking for firearms. So this is so,
(01:35:44):
but it's just the same. What people want to cause harm.
They want to cause harm. How many times we heard
people putting together homemade pipe bombs and using them and
utilize them. That guy in Colorado many years ago was
shooting at people when he had he deposited on backpacks
of explosives in the movie Theater if I remember correctly,
So there was Yeah, he had ulterior motive. He had
(01:36:05):
other motives. You know, he had a backup player, contingencies,
so he had other things going on besides just shooting people.
And so but I mean, when people want to hurt people,
that's what they're going to do. If that's their intention,
that's their intention. We have socidy got to figure out
we're going to adapt to this abnormal behavior.
Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
In a free society, You're you're going to have people
that are going to, you know, freely use that to
their advantage to hurt people. But at the same time,
even the most heavily police states in the in the
world in world history, you still had violence, you still
had murders, you still had a crime.
Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
And then at the same time, in these states that
are policed very heavily, guess what, you don't have freedom.
You don't have liberty. Your subject is to stop, to search,
to arrest, to show in your papers, all this stuff,
and then all of a sudden, who has who has
all the guns? The the government? And guess what, whenever
somebody wants to come in and do anything to infringe
upon your freedom and liberty they have, they're going to
(01:36:57):
do it, do it because they have carte blanche. So
it's a slippery slope for sure. I would rather have
dangerous liberty than than you know, have have safety nets
at every every corner.
Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
You know what I'm saying. Any day you can make
a determination of your own faith if you have liberty,
you cannot if you are dictated to right.
Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
Absolutely, So there's a fine line, you know for that.
And at the same time, we talk about, you know,
good with good guys with guns, and I'm like, what
are you talking about in a crowd of people, do
you know who the person that's shooting, who the right
person is or is that person that you see with
a gun? Are they also a good guy with a gun?
And now you're engaging a good guy with a gun,
(01:37:36):
then they're engaging with you. You know, it's like, you know,
you got to be responsible here. You got to know
what you're talking about. You have to have training, you
have to be very proficient, and you have to be
able to be able to pick out the actual the
bad actor, the target if you will, before you just
start shooting.
Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
And you got more of the Adiana. There was a
guy was a good guy with a gun. I mean
he did stop somebody, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
But most of the people that that that generally do that.
From from what I've seen the stories and the videos,
it's people who know what they're doing. They've had training,
they know how to use it responsibly. They realize, you know,
your your backstop who's back there is that people? You know,
if I shoot is are going to be into a crowd.
Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
You know, so your people that are responsible and trained
know how to engage a target even in a crowded situation.
They know how to do it properly.
Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
Listen, Todd, I grew up in the nineteen eighties. I've
seen a lot of Fortunate movies and a lot of
Sylvester Stlone movies, and I know how this stop erates.
You just pull that weapon and start firing randomly.
Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
That's true, yeah, And it works out.
Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
It always works on the end. The good guy always wins, right.
Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
And then of course you think about this, I mean
I don't know how many people I've seen, you know,
over the years who were fairly responsible with guns, who've
had negligent discharges as well. So imagine somebody who's not
trained on a gun, you know, all of a sudden,
they're picking up a gun, and what happens. They shoot themselves,
shoot somebody else, you know, not even meaning to, just
making a stip.
Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
I'm not sure you're on the right side of the
aisle here, Todd if.
Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
You second or no, I'm one hundred percent for the
Second Amendment, but we're talking about putting guns in schools
that you've got to be very responsible here. You know
what I'm saying, because every and I know a lot
of teachers, and I'm not making fun of them, but
there's a lot of them that I know that that
truly supports the Second Amendment for sure, but I wouldn't
trust them with a gun in the classroom, you know
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what I'm saying. So you have to be responsible with it.
Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
You know, you need training, you need training.
Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Training, training, and of course you have to you should
have to certify on a regular basis at the same time,
subject to inspection, you know, to make sure that you
you have the firearm, it operates properly, you have it
secured on your person in the right location, you know,
and you're not sit there. You're not advertising, you're not
bragging about it. You're not you're not telling any of
the students or even the other other faculty necessarily and
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unless it's an appropriate venue.
Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
I think the only thing you skipped is maybe psychological evaluation.
Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
That that would be another thing. There should be a
system in place. If you are going to arm teachers,
you got to be responsible the same thing. You know,
if you're gonna like police officers, you don't just give
a gun to anybody. You do psychological valuation. You do
a lot of evaluations. And do you do training, you
know what I'm saying. So before you get him, put
him out on the street in a squad car, if
you will, and and and and and a rifle and
a pistol. You know, even before you give him pepper
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spray or a taser, you're training them properly on how
to use it, how to how to maintain it, and
at the same time, how to engage a suspect or
or or a bad actor. If you will. You know,
you don't just say here's a gun, got go go,
go have at it.
Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
Well that I wouldn't expect a teacher to go running
out in the hallways and chasing the guy down. But
if he approaches that, that would be it's a defensive
position there you go, right.
Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
And of course, you know, whenever you're talking about whenever
you're a stationary target, like in the classrooms, et cetera,
somebody coming through trying to clear you know, going room
to room. You know here you are, okay, I can
see the guy can engage in pop pop, He's done.
You know, you assess the situation, he's he's no longer
a threat. You still shoved in place, allow the police
(01:40:58):
to clear the clear of building, and then sure that
there's no other threats out out there. You know what
I'm saying, Because you think about this, you have an
active shooter situation. I've done a lot of active shooter
active shooter exercises. In fact, I've been the quote unquote
active shooting a lot of exercises. You know, so I understand.
You know, law enforcement shows up if you will, or
military police in some circumstances, right, because we have military
(01:41:21):
base shootings. Everybody who comes out, you put those hands
up because I don't know who you are, what's going on.
Then we assess everybody, We search everybody, We make sure
we do it properly. And those are things people need
to realize. It's not a matter of like, Okay, I
took the bad guy out, now it's over, go back
to normal. No, it doesn't work that way. You got
to search everybody. You got to ensure that there's no
other people, no other threats that are out there in
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those two situations. It's not as easy as good guy
with the gun that people say, it's too simplified for
so many people who've never actually had to use a
firearm to protect themselves with their buddies to the left
and right, or whenever you're being being shot at at
a base or something like that, you know, and I
equatee being rocketed and shot at, you know, at a base.
You know, it's it's people shooting it, shooting at you
(01:42:04):
at your house. If you will shooting rockets at your house,
I mean, what are you gonna do somebody shooting at
your house? You know, are you just gonna start shooting indiscriminately?
You know you're going to engage the target, not just
in discriminate shooting.
Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
Yeah, it's like fire fighting a fire. You know, you
go for the source. Not always though, I got I
got admit, not always on a fire because maybe that's
a bad analogy because sometimes they'll go and hit the
corners of a room first to cool down the room
and then go for the source. So but ultimately you
are going for.
Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
Because a lot of times things are like in a
firefighting situation, and I'm not talking about gun firefighting, but
you throw water on it, sometimes you just make it
worse because it's so hot at that point, it just
turns the steam. So like you said, you got to
cool it off.
Speaker 4 (01:42:44):
Well that well, this is for BackFlash and stuff. So
because but what you're saying, yeah, sometimes if you're if
you're using the wrong substance, you can.
Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Again yeah right, if you just trust.
Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
Something that's that water is not going to put it out.
It's gonna spread it around.
Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Yeah, spreads it around. Yeah, like green fire, You're not
gonna do anything with it. You're just gonna spread it.
And I've seen somebody with the grease fire before. Try
to you know, it's like try to throw in a sink.
Don't do it, you know, smother it. Do not throw
in the damn sink.
Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
You can put in the sink and smother in the sink,
that's fine because it's metal, but don't put water on it.
Do not do that. You know. I've seen people being
burned up because of that, you know, or get burns
on their face because they did something like that. You know,
you could burn your house down or kill yourself quick
go be careful. Yeah, yeah, that's why, that's why, that's
why I advocate for training, training across the board, one
(01:43:31):
hundred percent pro Second Amendment. But you have to be
responsible because you could be killed, hurt, wound, mane, whatever
the case may be, very quickly, very quickly, you know,
and there's no coming back for it, you know, some
of these injuries. And at the same time, there's no
coming back once you're dead. Sorry.
Speaker 4 (01:43:45):
Yeah, I said where you were going with that earlier,
and that's a.
Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Responsible responsible gun ownership, responsible use of a fire army
and security situation, whatever the case may be. Law enforcement,
same thing. You know. Police don't just shouldn't be shown
up like I got my gun, point it out.
Speaker 4 (01:44:01):
You know, just it's happened. It's an OVA case. Somebody
who's playing a big shot or something, and yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Got that firearm should not come out of it's you know,
whether it's concealed or whether it's in a holster that's visible.
Should not come out until it needs to come out.
And then at that point, ensure that you have your target,
you have your your backstop, you understand what's behind it.
And sometimes you may have the enemy or the bad
guy in your sights, but what's behind it is a
lot of innocent people. And it's like, you know what,
(01:44:27):
I got to assess this situation. Can I take cover
in this particular moment and then re engage the person
or if I shoot, am I risking hurting other people
in the back in the background and then doing worse
damage than if I waited a second or two and assessed.
I'm not talking about like a police officer waiting for
thirty minutes or sixty minutes outside and assessing that way.
(01:44:48):
I'm talking about those split second assessments where it's like, Okay,
I can't really get a good shot right now, let
me get cover. Okay, I got him, he turned this way.
I can take him out at this moment. You know,
you gotta be careful with that and people people need
to realize that it's It's not as easy as saying,
good guy with a gun. I'm sorry. When I hear
people say that, I'm like you obviously don't know what
you're talking about. You've never been a firefight. Shut your mouth,
(01:45:08):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
So good gun with a gun don't work for you.
Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
No, saying that is stupid. I understand a good guy
with a gun, but a good guy who's trained properly,
that understands how to use it and engage bad actors,
bad guys. That's that's whenever a good guy with a
gun makes sense, not just somebody with a.
Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
Gun people in the most simplest form.
Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
I understand that. But but a lot of people that
I'm around on a regular say that don't have any
sort of training, have never been in a firefight, don't
know what the heck they're doing. Go to a real
range and do any sort of real training. They shoot
maybe some targets here and there, ever so often, but
shooting at a stationary target without any sort of real training,
not going to it a shoot house if you will,
(01:45:52):
it's okay, helps you with your proficiency to go shoot
a deer. But I'm sorry to engage a target who's
actively trained to kill you, it doesn't help you quite
as much. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (01:46:01):
No, Well, there's more to it if you want to
talk about training. Yeah, there's a lot more to it,
because I'm just tychology. There's a case like one case
that that somebody was talking about. I was watching us
thing on television many years ago, and they were documenting
about the psychology of handling a weapon, and you make
it a good point here. There's a huge difference when
you got a stationary target compared to when somebody's coming
(01:46:21):
at you with force or intent. And one of the
illustrations they pointed out is that law enforcement officer who
had an issue with somebody who's attempting to arrest and
the person was in the hallway and he was coming
at him. The LA enforcement officer pulled revolver, discharged it
six times at close range, and never once even touched
the guy exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
And that's the thing with with with a sidearm. I mean,
you know, you can miss somebody, especially that heart rate's going,
that adrenaline's going, you know, you get that that that
vision that sometimes it goes black. Sometimes the tunnel visions
and you're like, okay, I got you know, you're you're
like this, The peripheral kind of goes away and it's
easy to miss though. It is easy to miss something
(01:47:06):
that bully going to go.
Speaker 4 (01:47:07):
You know, Oh that's that could be if you if
you're in a.
Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
Pain now your storm, your storm of the beach is
a normality where the enemies that way in front of you. Yeah,
shoot shoot shoot everybody by all means blast away whatever
different situation. But in a school, in a school where
maybe it's only the one active shooter, you know, and
you have kids, people scrambling, teachers, whatever the case may be,
that maybe they didn't go on the ground or get
into a classroom and barricade. You know, it's like, do
(01:47:32):
you run the risk of shooting them? Uh? You know
while this person is just walking through now that person
was spraying and praying. You know, then I might, I
might take a different tact on it, but I you know,
I would have to assess the situation and give it,
give it a give it a moment, so that way
I can get a clear shot on the person. Because
I may take two or three shots and guess what now,
all of a sudden, he's looking at me, actively engaging me,
(01:47:53):
whenever I could have taken an easier shot at the person.
So you gotta be careful in those types of situations,
and simply saying good guys with a gun doesn't really
cut it. In my book. There's a lot of factors
at play here.
Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
There is. So my thing is with the schools, is
we lock the windows. Yeah, it makes a list of
people from coming in from the outside. But if a
bus has an accent, don't you have a release window
that you push open and the whole window drops out.
You can run for it and unlatches from the inside, right,
so nobody can latch it from the outside to enter
the bus. So tell me, if you got an active
(01:48:27):
shooter in the school, he's inside the school, he's not
outside the school. Why do we not have a locked
door and then able to unlatch a window and make
an escape and have a rope.
Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
Now, you do not want to do that. You do
not want to do it because there could be people
out there waiting for you to take make that run,
make that bline for a tree line or the parking
lot or whatever the case may be, or another building.
So you sheltering in place is the best option in
those types of situations, you know. I mean, I've been
rocketed and mortared probably hundreds of times. Sometimes it's easier
(01:48:56):
to to shelter in place, get down in the bunker,
and hold tip for a second before you retaliate.
Speaker 4 (01:49:02):
And I also see sitting ducks ducks in a barrel
when I hear.
Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
That schools are built nowadays with with with the ballistic
the glass, the film on it. Uh, and of course
that they can lock doors nowadays and stuff like that.
So there's a lot of technology that we can use
to be able to protect ourselves in many situations. Not
every situation is going to so it's not perfect. You know,
we have to be able to freely move in society
from class to class or whatever the case may be.
(01:49:27):
You have to be able to go to ball games
and things like that. You know, you've got to be
able to live life and not live in fear, but
at the same time be aware of threats and potential
threats and be able to engage them properly. It's not
a matter of just somebody having a gun. Any idiot
can have a gun if you don't know what the
heck you're doing with it? What good are you? You
just killed three innocent people as you shut fired thirty
rounds at the bad guy that you didn't hit.
Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Definitely, No, if you're
going to arm teachers, you definitely want to get them
trained there exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
That's kind of my point on all that be responsible
in all we do.
Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
Right, Yeah, absolutely, well, training is everything. I mean, it's
preemptive thinking. That's exactly what training is. It's preemptive thinking.
That's why you say, if you're going to be in
the fighting artist, you're creating muscle memory. Everything's preemptive thinking.
For you're creating scenarios that you may have been and
or experienced fighters will say, these are common scenarios I'm in.
(01:50:22):
So now you preemptively you're training, so when you're in
those scenarios, you know how to handle those scenarios.
Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
I know people, I know people who in the military
who've been shot a number of times and they're like, well,
I didn't engage the guy because there were actually kids
back behind them, and I just didn't feel I could
take the shot and could have killed a person, but
chose not to. In that moment because the backstop was
it wasn't right and was shot a few times as
(01:50:48):
a result. So you got to be very careful of that,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:50:54):
What about a shot over the head, So you're not
shooting at him, but you're but.
Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
That bullet's going to go somewhere. At some point, the
trajector is going to go down. Where's it going to land?
Speaker 4 (01:51:02):
Well, it depends on all for them kids are back.
Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
There, right, but I'm saying it's going to go somewhere.
And actually, somebody in my neighborhood a week or so ago,
is this more on neighbor down the street shoots on
a regular and one end up hitting my hat. Anyway,
all right, folks, we'll be back next week seven to
nine Eastern and if it's Wednesday night, it's the Commissisco's service.
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