The Common Sense Conservatives with Attorney John Harris

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Common Sense Conservatives, a political discussion group
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(00:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hey, folks, welcome back.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
It's the Common Sense Conservatives every Wednesday night from seven
nine pm, coming you to live from our studio in
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John John Todds please hell McFly McFly with Todd McKinley there,

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and we've got John Grovener in the studio. John and
Todd and myself been at this for a while now.
It seems it just keeps on rolling along, not usually
making those kind of mistakes. Ladies and gentlemen, we come
to you tonight on the aftermath of the Twelve Day War,
the use of overwhelming military force to push combatants to

(01:17):
the peace table, and for the moment a cease fire
is holding between Iran and Israel, United States not in
the conflict. Boy, did they get egg on their face.
I got to tell you, Mitch McConnell's standing in the
Senate complaining about the War Powers Act and about Trump
has led us in the war, and three minutes later,
Trump announces a ceasefire.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I love it. I love it, I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Poor Alec had to come out and stand in the
steps of the Capitol Building and say, well, well, he
used the word war in one of his tweets, so
we're gonna beach him now. It was just embarrassing for
these leftists and for Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Green
and Alex Jones and all of them now scrambling to
get back in Trump's good graces after they dumped on him.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
All right, we've got a guest coming in tonight. We're
to talk about firearms in the Second Amendment, Tennessee Fire Association.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
We'll get to our guests just a few moments there,
But let me say hello, to John Grover in the studio, John,
how you doing tonight?

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Doing well, Chris? Just trying to beat the heat these days.
You know, we were up to over one hundred degrees yesterday.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I can believe it.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
I got I got out of the truck, you what,
big trunk and got into my pickup truck and looked
at the temperature. Gage, Ago, that can't be right. It
was reading one of five. Agoht'll drop down to ninety
five ninety seven here soon.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
It didn't one of five. That's well, that's how bad
ours was one of four. It was close.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Yeah, yeah, well it was. I guess it was pretty
much in the region yesterday. But it was pretty warm
today too. I'll tell you what. Well, I've enjoined the
Florida Weather up here.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
In New England, Florida Weather. That's the Arabia weather man Florida.
Oh my good lord, No, it was. We had that
same thing. And the heat is broken now.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
The temperatures dropped down from the high ninety state eighty
five because a rainstorm just came out of nowhere here
and just just pour it all over us about an
hour ago. It's got a little bit cooler here, but
Todd are you also part of the heat dome or
thunderdome as we're living in?

Speaker 5 (03:02):
Absolutely, on my deck it was one hundred and ten
degrees on my deck and of courd not to obay
see the temperature outside, but it was like one hundred
and eight on my car port, you know, and it's
like Jesus, I'm not going to be out there long.
I'll go out check them out and I'm back in.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, actually, you know, with my hip messed up. I
went out to film a satirical video for my program
about a political party in South Africa. They promised to
build a school seven years ago, has yet done it now?
They promised to build houses for ten people who are
dead they died in a bus accident, presumably for their survivors.
So I went out to a local building site, walked there.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
It was one hundred and four degrees in my shorts.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I walked at a snail's pace so as not to
break into a sweat.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
But it was brutal. It was brutal.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
So you know, it's we get this occasionally, but they
act like it's never happened before. It's not even a
record high.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
I like this guy, Todd, I really liked this guy.
He walked out a snail's pace, so he didn't break
into a sweat. Dude, I stand out there looking at
my into it.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Wait, sir, John, are you telling you you're inside in
the air cond You were just thinking about getting outside?

Speaker 2 (04:04):
You started sweating.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
It was pretty close, you know. I'll tell you what
John was having.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Meet I'll tell you what he was having. I'll tell
you what.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
I'll tell you. Well, it sounds like a seventies thing,
doesn't it. I'll tell you it does.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
I think that's it's not it's not Larry the Cable Guy.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's one of those guys. It's billing most I'll tell
you what. That's a whole phrase in part of the country.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
I think Larry the Cable Guy was. I don't care
who you are. That's funny right there.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, no, those guys are all pretty funny. But they're
getting up there, you know. So that Billangvall retired and
then he got bored and came out of retirement.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
He's doing a few sures here now. A sign Yeah, well, yeah,
I don't know. We talked a lot about signs.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
But anyway, so Todd, can you tell us a little
bit out of guests tonight is coming in to talk
about Second Amendment firearms.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
Absolutely good talk about that and political activism and of
course Tennessee politics.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
And he's not he's not going to be waving any
firearms on air, is he He might? I don't know.
I'm gonna ask him.

Speaker 6 (04:58):
Not.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
No, it wouldn't be all right because YouTube gave me
a twenty four hour time out I did. I didn't
even wave a firearm on air, and they falsely claimed
they're artificial intelligence that I was waving a firearm in
the air and I couldn't broadcast for twenty four hours.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
He was a hunger gun, right, That's what it was.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
It was it was it was these guns.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
Okay, here we go, we.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Talk about firearms and not and not have them in possession,
right just so everybody can see them. I mean, come on, man,
it's firearms.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
But if just asking because we're simulcasting to YouTube, that's all.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
If John wants to bring in our guest, John Harris
an attorney out of Nashville, Tennessee.

Speaker 7 (05:31):
UH.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
He's very active with the Tennessee Firearms Association. UH also
political activism within the state. Love what he's talking about
on social media, and I wanted to bring him on
the show and talk about not only the Second Amendment.
Of course, I'm gonna do air quotes here for the
people on the air, the constitutional care that we have
in the state, which really doesn't exist, and other things.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
But John, welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (05:53):
Love to have you, thank you, and looking forward to
it tonight. Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
And before we before we get started, can you tell
us little bit about your background and how you kind
of got started with the Firearms Association or started the
Firearms Association.

Speaker 7 (06:05):
I'm a licensed practicing attorney in Tennessee. This is my
thirty ninth year to practice law, all of it based
down of Nashville. I was one of twelve individuals in
nineteen ninety five that got together and formed the Tennessee
Firearms Association. And we formed it because in May of

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nineteen ninety four, Tennessee adopted what's generally referred to as
a shout issue permitting system. Prior to that point in time,
Tennessee really didn't have on its books a permitting system
where citizens could be able to gain the capacity to
carry statewide. What we did have was the ability of citizens,

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in the discretion of their local law enforcement to get commissions,
but those were only good in the county. So Tennessee
adopted a permit system in ninety four. It was pitifully written.
It did not deal with the dunfree zones that existing
law had created, and so the purpose of TFA being

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formed in ninety five was to start working on the
practical side of the problem of where can you go
even if you have a permit.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
That makes sense?

Speaker 5 (07:22):
And then today we have a weird permitting system that
came into to being the last few years. Can you
expound upon that and talk about how that's not true
constitutional care even though our state legislators love to say
that it is.

Speaker 7 (07:34):
Yeah, they love to lie to us, that's what they. Yes,
they do. But here's the problem. The concept of constitutional
carrying means that the activity just simply isn't a crime.
It's there's only a few states that actually have true

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constitutional carery, and oddly enough, for Mont is the first
state that ever had it. When we formed TFA in
ninety five, we didn't talk about constitutional carry We talked
about Vermont carried That was because they had in the
original Vermont Constitution a provision that protected the right of

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the citizens to carry firearms for lawful purposes. Now, the
concept of constitutional carey, like I said, means that it's
simply not a crime. Tennessee is about as far away
from that standard as you could possibly get, and that's
because in Tennessee, the way the law is currently structured,

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and has been structured for quite a few years, Tennessee
by statute, defines any carrying of a firearm or a
club with the intent to go armed to be a
criminal offense. It doesn't matter if it's for offensive or

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defease purposes. It doesn't matter if it's on your own property,
if it's in your own home. It doesn't matter where
you are or when it happens. If you're carrying a
firearm in Tennessee with the intent to be armed, you're
committing a crime. And the Tennessee law has in its

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regulatory scheme a bunch of defenses or exceptions. They'll use
both terms. They mean slightly different things when you look
at criminal procedure, but either way it goes, the burden
is on the citizen to prove to a jury that
they fit within one of the exceptions. And the exceptions

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would be things like you have a permit and you
meet all the elements of a permit at the time
you were engaged in the activity. You were on your
own property, you were in your home, you were at
your place of business, you had a hunting permit, you
were out lawfully engaged in hunting activesvities, you were at
a sports shooting range. All these things are affirmative defenses.

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But the problem, part of the problem is, and the
real dashably part of the line from the General Assembly,
is that because they're affirmative defenses, law enforcement officers and
district attorneys have no affirmative duty to evaluate whether you
meet one of those defenses on the facts or the

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strength of it. So an officer could completely ignore the
fact that you were on your own property or that
you had a permit, and they can stop you, detain you, question,
you charge you with an offense, or even arrest you,
and then it's up to someone down the road to
prove that you have that defense available.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
That's that's said, I can tell you my own property.
I'm not going to be disarmed by anyone, to include
law enforcement. I'm just not going to They're gonna have
to shoot me or I'm going to get them. It's
not I'm not going to give up. I'm just going
to be honest with any law enforcement officer. I'm just
not going to do it. So but I'm want to
turn over the colonel for some questions there, if you
don't mind, Colonel John.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
It almost sounds like the law is written intentionally to
criminalize lawful behavior guaranteed under the Constitution from predation by
the state. The way the Tennessee's laws written, I mean,
you're supposed to navigate those circumstances. I mean, I gotta
be honest. I mean, I well, what else would I
be but honest? But I seriously got to be honest.
I grew up in Ohio with firearms from the age

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of ten. Of course, they weren't just handed to me.
You know, I had to learn how to be safe
with them. We didn't have any license, we didn't have
any permits.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
We went all over the place and shot those things,
and you know, it's the world we live in now.
Seems quite crazy to me.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Is Tennessee's law drafted intentionally, maliciously or just an oversight,
because to me, it sounds like almost any actually take
you could get charged with a crime, and it's up
to you to defend yourself. It's almost like you're guilty
before you're innocent.

Speaker 7 (11:53):
Oh no, no, this is not a mere oversight. This
is intentional constitutional violations by the state of tan to
se no doubt about it. We have repeatedly talked with
legislators over the last thirty years and particularly over the
last sixteen years with the GOP supermajority and two Republican

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governors and explain to them why constitutional carry is completely
incompatible with the system that they've got in Tennessee. And
they don't care. They will tell you things like, well,
Nashville says in talking about law enforcement, Memphis says, Chattanooga says,

(12:35):
all these major metropolitan areas that they need the ability
to stop people if they see them carrying guns in
public because it increases their arrest for other matters. You know,
it's sort of like the same silliness of they're going
to pull you over for a tail light or a
headlight that's out, not because of safety, but because it

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gives them a chance to run your driver's license to
see if there's pen warrants. And so that's a lot
of what's behind this.

Speaker 6 (13:05):
It is.

Speaker 7 (13:07):
Officers law enforcement, not the guys on the street, And
don't get me wrong there, but it's the guys in
the leadership levels are saying and are taking the position
that we need the ability to stop people, to vet them,
to shake them down, and if they're behaving themselves, we'll
probably let them go. But our success rate at catching

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people who have outstanding warrants, who have arrest records or
arrests subpoenaus from other states. Our ability to catch the
bad guys is substantially increased when we can stop anybody
we see carrying a gun and shake them down, stop them,

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detain them, question them about who they are and what
they're doing, because it gives them the chance to run
those background shows.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Well, John, I'm not attorney and I don't play on
a television, but I've watched a lot of Law and Order.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Kidding, but seriously, it seems to me.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
That that concept runs completely enathma to our system of jurisprudence.
Because there's no probable cause here. They're fictitiously creating a
probable cause to get arrest in other areas. I mean,
the fact that someone has a firearm doesn't mean that
they're illegal. I mean, that's just crazy. I appreciate where
law enforcement wants to go after criminals, but I mean,
you know, we've got the country up at arms right

(14:25):
now because we've got ICE agents sitting outside of meat
packing plants where seventy five percent employees are criminal alien invaders,
and people lose their minds over that.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
How can that be right?

Speaker 7 (14:34):
Well?

Speaker 3 (14:34):
How could it be right to stop a citizen at
Tennessee for having a firearm lawfully, just so you can
see if they've got other criminal charges or something like that,
do your job and find them another way.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
It seems to me like an end around the constitution?
Am I missing something here? No?

Speaker 7 (14:47):
You're not. You're not missing it at all. I mean,
a truth constitutional carry environment would be one where you
can carry pretty much whatever you want, whenever you want,
all most wherever you want. I mean, you know, nobody's
really going to take the argument that someone who's sitting
in jail ought to be in possession of a firearm.

(15:09):
But putting that extreme example aside, you know, the crime
ought to be when you are in possession that you
commit some other crime, an assault or murder or robbery,
and the weapon is not the crime. The weapon is
just a facilitator to the separate crime. But the concept

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that the Tennessee legislature, and when I say legislature, let
me be a specific. We're talking about Speaker Cameron Sexton,
Lieutenant Governor Randy mcdally, Republicans, Oh yeah, absolutely, because with supermajorities,
they could have changed this in twenty ten and they
chose not to do it. We're talking about Senator johanck Johnson,

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the Republican Caucus leader, House Member William Lambert, the leader
in the of the Republican Party in the House side,
and then some of their committee chairs that have been appointed.
These are the people that are the gatekeepers because if
you look back over the last sixteen years, in particular,
we filed the bills to fix this problem over and

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over and over again. That group of leaders, the leadership,
you know, team that's on Mount Olympus, so to speak,
they will not even let these bills come to the
floor for a debate or vote. Because I can say
with a high degree of certainty, if the sunshine of

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what transpires on the floor in the House and the
Senate were to light on these issues, we would not
have the system we have now. We would have true
constitutional carry.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
So how does this come about?

Speaker 3 (16:49):
I mean with super majority as Republicans ostensibly conservative? Obviously
we know a lot of the Republicans aren't conservative. They're
actually just Republicans in name only, just imbuch chasing, shyster lawyers,
sorry offense to lawyers or used car salesmen that are
really just in it for self, for grant it has
been self for Richmond or craven political power. How is
this occurring in tendency with super majorities? Is it cowardice,

(17:10):
is it lobbying, is it laziness? Or is it just
toa deafness?

Speaker 7 (17:14):
Oh, I think it's de seat in line.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Oh okay, well I had gone there, but okay, gotch
I tell us about that.

Speaker 7 (17:20):
But you know, it's a great question. Why is it
that these people that take an oath to the Constitution
that have clearly been informed by their constituents or at
least some constituents as to what the problem with the
current law is. I mean, we've got legislators like Manti
Fritz and Chris Todd and Clay Doggett that are clearly

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on our side, and some of their predecessors like Jerry Sexton,
who get in these hearings, and they sponsor the bills,
they debate the bills in these committee hearings, and they've
pointed out, i mean, we got tons of video where
they've pointed out out that we don't have constitutional caring
and what the problems are. And then you have Bill

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Lee's administration and Bill Haslm's administration, and what I'm talking
about typically is the Department of Safety and the TBI,
those two organizations in particular that come into these committee
hearings and they absolutely oppose any change at all to
this system. And then low information legislators bow to legislative

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leadership Sexton McNally, Jack Johnson, and William Lamberth, and they
bow to TBI and the Department of Safety, and they
don't stand up for our rights. Because we've got enough
Republicans to change it. The number of Democrats that are
up there doesn't make a difference. If they all voted
against it, it would still pass overwhelmingly. But the governor

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doesn't want it. Bill Haslum didn't want it, and these
ave leaders don't want it, and so they're blocking it
from even getting to the floor votes. And what's really
sad about that We've got video of Bill Haslin speaking
of one of our chapter meetings when he was running
for governor, saying he would absolutely support constitutional carry. And

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we've got a letter from Bill Lee. He refused to
take our survey, but we've got a letter from him
before he ever became governor, but he was running for
governor saying that he would support the concept of constitutional carry,
and neither one of them have. In fact, once they
got power, they did just the opposite.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Well, John, I got to be honest, not being a lawyer,
I am honestly, I'm not being a Faciasha. I'm a
little confused because I am a a person and I
did support and feminist Constitution for thirty six and a
half years in uniform, and I read the Second Amendment
to say a well regulated militia, being necessary to the
security of a free state, the right of the people
to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. So
I've always been curious how states like New Jersey and

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Maryland get away with criminalizing firearm possession and by law
abiding citizens, and why states even need a constitutional carry law.
I mean, the Constitution guarantees it. How are these states
which fall under the Constitution and there's a supremacy.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Clause for the Constitution.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
How do states get away with requiring these these ownerous
requirements that many states have, you know, I'm sure you're
familiar with some of the stuff in New Jersey, Maryland do
it's atrocious?

Speaker 7 (20:21):
Oh yeah, And I can answer that if you look
at the constitutional construct that existed in the seventeen hundreds
between the proposed federal government and the thirteen original states.
In particular, they view things quite differently than we did,

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you know, like I said, Vermont, And in fact, most
of the original thirteen states had provisions in their state
constitutions protecting the rights of the citizens with respect to arms.
And it was also quite clear, not only at the
time in the minds of the founding fathers, but in
the minds of those people that were ratifying the Constitution

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at the state levels, that those provisions that we embrace
as part of the Bell Rights had nothing to do
with state powers, nothing at all. Those were only restrictions
on the authority of the federal government. And it wasn't
until and there's tons of case law that confirms that. Now.

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What the case law tends to say, particularly with respect
to Tennessee, is that our constitutional provision at the state level,
Article one, Section twenty six and the Second Amendment are
similar but not identical, and that what they seek to
protect arms in both contexts are basically the same categories

(21:50):
of weapons. But it's abundantly clear that the Second Amendment
did not apply to the states. That did not change
until a Supreme Court decision in twenty ten called McDonald
versus City of Chicago. And even in McDonald, they didn't
say that the Second Amendment directly applies to the states.

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What they said was based upon this judge made doctrine
called the incorporation doctrine that they read into the Fourteenth
Amendment sort of the same way they read Roe versus
Wade to just create or art when it didn't exist.
This one runs in our favor. But what they said
at McDonald was because of the Fourteenth Amendment and the

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equal protection and due process clauses in it, the Second
Amendment now applies to the states. But that's only been
for the last fifteen years. And the effect of that
is that the current Tennessee Constitutional clause Article one, section
twenty six, which was adopted in eighteen seventy, has this

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provision on it. That says the legislature can regulate the
wearing of arms with a view towards preventing crime. They
added that sort of as a Jim Crow post Civil
War provision to give the legislature the authority to regulate
wearing of arms, but it was really to regulate which

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people could wear arms, and that provision survived and it's
what the General Assembly has relied upon. I mean as
recently as just a few years ago, we've heard legislators
set in these committees on a public stream and read
the Tennessee Constitution. It says, well, right here, it says
we have the ability to regulate the wearing of arms.

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And that's all we're doing with these walls. So we're
acting constitutionally and they're clueless about the McDonald decision of
the fourteenth Amendment.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well, John, that's that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Just a moment here, folks, you're listening to comment sets
conservatives on WSMN and in Nash in New Hampshire. Our guest
tonight is Attorney John Harris, the founder of the Tennessee
Firearms So said, we're talking a little bit more about
that group here shortly, but I want to go back
to the point that John just made a moment ago,
and I want.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
To make sure I'm not missing some here.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
So I've talked for a long time about you know,
a lot of Americans so like your tech companies can't
censor me, and like, no, they can. That's a private institution,
you know, it's the constitution protects us against the federal
government silencing you. But by that same logic with the
Second Amendment, what's the stop states from censoring people? Because
unless they have a constitution that protects freedom speech, or

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from the State of Tennessee establishing the Episcopal Church as
the Church of Tennessee, unless it's in your constitution, because
it sounds like it turns the supremacy claws on its
head if the states don't have.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
To abide by the Second Amendment. Did I misunderstand something there?

Speaker 7 (24:45):
No, not really. You know, when it comes to the
First Amendment issues, the Supreme Court US Supreme Court and
use the incorporation doctrine in the fourteenth Amendment to apply
it to the states years ago. They did the same
thing with the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. You know, they
just drugged their feet, so to speak, on the Second Amendment.
But various provisions, because not all provisions of the Bill

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of Rights applied to individuals. The Tenth Amendment, for example,
really don'naddressed individuals. But the Court's slowly been using the
Fourteenth Amendment, which only came into existence in the eighteen sixties,
to apply selectively provisions from the Bill of Rights to

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restrict the scope of authority that states had prior to
the Fourteenth Amendment. And so they were just coming late
to the game on the Second Amendment, but it's there now.
I disagree entirely with the Supreme Court's in corporation doctrine,
but like I said, as a general rule, it favors

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individual citizens, particularly when they're state governments are terms.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
I guess this is where the Constitution gets really murky
in some respects, you know, and what we learned and
civics we have to sit and think very hard about.
I mean, because, for instance, with the fourteenth Amendment, I
have issues with the interpretation meaning birthright citizenship. You know,
people here illegal aliens who come to this country and
then and gain the advantage. I disagree with that, and
I don't see that written to the Fourteenth Amendment. The
clear intent of the Fourteenth Amendment. From what I read

(26:17):
from it as a late person, is that it's intended
to those who were formerly in bondage to grant them
citizenship and those born in the country.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
So that's I mean.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
But the problem with that, though, I suppose, is that
remember the course that the thirteen to fourteenth and fifteenth
Amendments were ratified by overwhelmingly Republican states at the time.
When the states and rebellion were suspended from voting, they
couldn't vote on the amendments, so they didn't have.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
A say in it.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Would what would stop a state from reinstituting slavery if
the fourteenth Amendment didn't apply to the states?

Speaker 7 (26:51):
Oh yeah, I think other than changes in political sentiment
of the populace, they potentially could.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Obviously, I got you.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
I mean, look at New York, which New York has
just elected a radical Islamic fascist who has got a
track record that's appalling and wants to turn New York
into a socialist paradise with state owned grocery stores interfering
in the marketplace. I mean, anything can happen. It's that's Look,
that's not a dig on Islam. That's a dig on
that guy.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
It's his world absolutely, but it's not his faith. It's
not his faith. It's messed up it's worldview. But my
point is that, uh, you know what protections are there.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
I'm not trying to get into an stary argument constitution,
because we all agree here, we're all in faith of
the Second Amendment and the right to keeping their arms.
But I'm just kind of teasing out because I don't
think a lot of people really think hard about this
or have thought hard about, you know, how the Constitution applies.
Because during the lockdown, when when the censorship took place
on Facebook and all these other places, all these people
are complaining they can't do the me. I have freedom speech,

(27:44):
I said, you have the freedom of speech. It's a
private corporation. You've agreed to their terms, and they can
shut you down. Now, if they've done it illegitimately, you
can sue them for a breach of contract or fraud,
but you know you can't get them for freedom of speech.
You don't have any freedom of speech on Twitter. It's
you know, it's up to them, and that in fact,
they have a responsibility to prevent gatrous speech anyway. It's
like you know, shouting fire in a crowded theater. Rights
aren't universal. There are certain restrictions on our rights. So anyway,

(28:08):
but let me let me ask questions John as we
move on here about the Tennessee Firearms Association.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
When did you found that? How long has it been?

Speaker 7 (28:16):
Around thirty years we formed it.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Jud you don't look that old.

Speaker 7 (28:26):
I've been practicing law for about a decade when we
formed TFA, But it was formed thirty years ago this year.
The following year, in ninety six, we formed a state
level political action committee, so we've had it for twenty
nine years. And then in twenty twenty three, just two

(28:47):
years ago, we formed the Tennessee Firearms Foundation, which we
use because it's a full charity. We use it for
public interests, litigation, and some other are activities that we
can do within the context and restrictions of a charitable organization.
But let our donors have the ability of charitable deductions

(29:11):
for their contributions, which you can't get with the pack
or the seaford.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Understandable, So, does your organization have any any relationship or
ties to neighboring states and have some organizations or perhaps
something like the Gun Owners of America any affiliation or
any relationship or do you coordinate with any of these
groups or you just you just you go at your
own route.

Speaker 7 (29:28):
Oh, now where we uh we coordinate. I've got close
connections with in particular the state groups in North Carolina
and Virginia. Uh, they're very active for you know, the
issues that are in their jurisdictions. But they're equally active.

(29:50):
And then I do a lot of work both as
an attorney and as the executive director of the Tennessee
Firearms with Gun Owners of America. So, for example, I
was mentioning that we do public interest litigation. Since twenty nineteen,
TFA has been involved in at least forty five lawsuits,

(30:14):
either as a plaintiff or funding the litigation or filing
a meet this briefs. And I would say ninety percent
of that we've done in partnership or in cooperation with
Gun Owners of America. But we've also, when the opportunity presents,
done cases with Second Amendment Foundation and with haven't actually

(30:35):
done a full case yet, but we have a lot
of discussions with Firearms Policy Coalition. The only one of
the national groups that we really shun is the NRA.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, the NRA is really falling on our times. They
really are not popular. It's a lot of people have
issues to them. I think a lot of it had
to do with Wayne Lapierre and his conduct. But still
they've for a long time have really a lot of
people who are true Second Amendment advocates kind of straight
away from those guys.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
It's interesting.

Speaker 7 (31:04):
Well, and I will say, I mean when it comes
to Tennessee laws, since two thousand and seven, there was
a clear shift of orientation the NRA's lobbying division that
handles state lobbying and federal lobbying, which is called NRA
Institute for Legislative Action NRA Island. They've done more damage

(31:27):
to efforts to try to fix Tennessee law since whatever
the last eighteen years now than they have been a
useful partner. We would have been better off in Tennessee.

Speaker 8 (31:40):
If NRA had not even been here advocating because the
quality of the lobbying and their political allegiances to people
like Cameron Sexton, Lead Bill Haslam, Randy mcdally.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
Major rhinos in the state, Major rhinos in the state.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yeah, well, it's interesting you're talking about the litigation, So
would the Tennessee Firearms Association play a role potentially in
a case. So let me let me frame this during
the Summer of Love, the Black Lives Matter, destruction of
billions of dollars of America, and the law most of
the law enforcement sitting on the sidelines. Unfortunately, when that occurred,

(32:19):
that couple, I believe, was in Missouri, where they have
a standard ground law, a castle doctrine, and the couple
are on their property they say, Lewis area, Saint Louis.
They broke their gate and it's not you know, it's
it's it's a long distance into the house that came
and menaced them on their porch. They came out with
a handgun and a rifle I believe it was, and
neither was pointed at the people. But they had trespassed

(32:41):
and threatened the lives and safety of that family. There's
a doctrine defending them, but a Soros funded district attorney
prosecuted them, and they're actually attorneys, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
The couple and what a mess that was. Would this
be a case if something like that happened.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
In Nashville, or would you you know, or Chattanooga that
you guys might get involved in.

Speaker 7 (32:59):
But TFA and our foundation, we're really very selective and
we try to get the most bang for the buck
in the types of cases it will take on. We
do very little unless we've found us a test plaintiff,
where we get involved in individual prosecutions. We get the

(33:21):
calls all the time, so and so has been arrested,
you know, it's a self defense case, it's a brandishing case.
We get tons of calls or restoration of rights, and
we just can't take them all. So we tend to
at this point, and for the last six years or so,
we very narrowly limited our litigation and our public interest

(33:44):
litigation to issues that have broad applications. So we got involved,
for example.

Speaker 8 (33:49):
In.

Speaker 7 (33:51):
Brewing Raheemi Heller. You go down the list of Supreme
cargill a bunch of them, but they tend to be
issues that have either broad state application, like we presently
have a lawsuit pending against Bill Lee and Attorney General

(34:11):
Scimetti file over in Gibson County, Tennessee, where we're seeking
a declaratory ruling that Tennessee's intent to go arm statute
and its prohibition on being able to carry in public
parks both violate the state and federal constitutions as interpreted
by Bruin, and both Lee and Scrimetti are making the

(34:33):
argument that those restrictions ones we talked about earlier in
the interview are fully constitutional and should be retained as
part of state law.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
They sound like dangerous political figures to be in office
if they're making that argument. So what would you argue
is perhaps we already talked.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
About earlier about constitutional carry and the concept of how
the laws written in the Tennessee. But what would you
say the grievest threats to the second in Amendment, the
right to keep it our arms in Tennessee and maybe
more generally in the states right now, anything come to mind?

Speaker 7 (35:05):
I'm sure, Well, there's a lot of litigation going on nationally.
I mean, I'm presently involved with GOA and stuff in Florida,
North Dakota, Texas, Tennessee in a multitude of lawsuits where

(35:28):
our activities are focused on the ATF and rolling back
as much of the damage that occurred during the Biden
administration as possible. But in terms of threats individually to
the average citizen in Tennessee, it's not necessarily coming from
the ATF and their pain, no doubt. And they're an

(35:53):
entity that ought to be the name of a convenience
store as opposed to a federal age and see. But
they exist. But for most American most tennis sins, they're
not the big threat in terms of your day to
day activities and your rights. That big threat is coming

(36:15):
from our governor, our General Assembly TBI, and the Department
of Safety, and to some extent, local law enforcement. But
that's again it made your blue cities as opposed to
most of the state. That's where the big threats lie
because they've got this spectrum of laws that if they

(36:38):
come after you, you've got to higher attorneys, defend yourself,
call your you know, if you have one of the
gun owner protection plans, you know, invoke it. But these
people are perfectly willing and able to try to put
you in jail, put you in prison, or take away
your rights entirely just by flexing muscle under state law.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I've seen a lot of that. They did the Trump
Trump tough charges and the fictitious laws created for one
year and only one person charged.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
No, it's pretty sad. You know, you mentioned here these
insurance positis. I think maybe not a lot of people
are not familiar. But as a firearm owner, you can,
through some of these organizations, get insurance to help protect
you should you be charged with something in a lawful
use of a firearm or lawful possession of it. Can
you mention some of that, You don't have to mention
compans whatever. But I mean that that's really designed to

(37:30):
protect the firearm owner, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (37:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean some of these plans on
an annual blasis will be priced anywhere from one hundred
and fifty to say about five hundred dollars. There's a
wide It's not like car insurance because there's a wide
spectrum of coverage. Some of them only pay your legal

(37:54):
defense costs, but they have no cap on that, so
if it's a civil case or criminal case, pay the
defense attorneys. Uh. They'll cover things like red flag laws.
They'll cover things about having a weapon in your baggage
at the airport. They'll cover self defense events. Uh, they'll
cover if you're you know, one of them will cover

(38:14):
if you're out hunting and you you know, discharge a
weapon and shoot something a car, livestock that's not lawful
for you to shoot, you know, just because you're not
a good shot. Others of them actually have insurance components
with up to about two million dollars worth of coverage,
so that if you are involved in an incident, maybe

(38:37):
injure a bystander or shoot their tesla.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
Uh throw it stop.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Look so, John, what you're saying is I'm not allowed
to shoot the cars. I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Did you see that bullet come from my gun?

Speaker 3 (38:59):
I thought I could sit overpasses and shoot at passing cars.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
I guess that's apparently illegal. Not tessels. That's apparently.

Speaker 7 (39:07):
The problem with the tesla is they burn worse than
other cars.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Oh they sure do? We see that? My goodness.

Speaker 6 (39:13):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
So it wouldn't be the message.

Speaker 7 (39:15):
It's a practical matter when when you know there's a
broad spectrum of what attorneys charge. But I can give
you an example that in a in a self defense case,
it goes all the way to trial if you have
good issues and are going to make a full fight
of it. I've seen those cases run legal fees anywhere

(39:39):
from one hundred and fifty to five hundred thousand. Wow.
And you know the guys that can pay that, what
choice do they have if they want to stay out
of jail and potentially long term. And then our crazy
legislature gives the district attorneys, particularly the Soros attorneys like

(40:00):
the one in Nashville, a club to even beat you with,
because what they did a few years ago was they
passed what's called crooks with guns. And so I had
a case just a few years ago where a young
man not old enough at the time to legally possess
a handgun and thought he would sort of be cool

(40:22):
and got his grandfather's handgun and stuck it in his pocket,
and he goes out to what's called a fight night
a bunch of high schoolers actual's Hannafield, and while he's there,
a couple of other men, young men in their late
teens early twenties, get into a fight start picking on

(40:43):
him because they're asserting that he was beaten up or
he was flirting with one of their girlfriends, and ended
up getting the guy down on the ground, kicking the
fire out of him. He pulls the gun and shoots
one of them in the stomach, and the district attorney
chose to prosecute it was a self defense case. There
were several witnesses who signed out for Davis and said absolutely.

(41:06):
This guy was defending his life and he didn't initiate it.
They started it and they escalated it. He was just
defending himself. Well, what they decided to do was to
charge him under that Cooks with Gun statue, which basically says,
if you use a firearm in the commission of a
crime and you're convicted of it, you get ten years
minimum in the penitentiary, no probation, no parole. Well, this

(41:30):
would have been a first offender, but the crooks with
guns would have put him away, And so he settled
the case on a plea bargain and then a few
years later committed suicide because he just couldn't live with
the consequences that this funneling conviction had on him in
terms of getting a job, getting further education, all that

(41:50):
kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
So he would they used the law because the crime,
the underlying crime, was he had carried a firearm illegally underage.

Speaker 7 (41:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yeah, and then so they destroyed his life because that so,
I guess the response would have been, he should have
had a firearm, he should have let himself beaten to
death at that fight.

Speaker 7 (42:09):
Yeah, that's exactly the position. The DA's would take on
something like that.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
People are sick, it's wrong to carry the firearm. But
that's not a just outcome, right.

Speaker 7 (42:17):
But like you said, he was over eighteen at all.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
Yeah, he was over eighteen. I believe you said right,
over eighteen. But you can send him overseas to die,
but you can't fire carry a firearm to protect himself.

Speaker 7 (42:26):
How sad is that? It's just incredibly wrong?

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Wait, wait a second, he was he was over town.

Speaker 7 (42:31):
A law that these legislators would rather pass.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, and Tennessee is twenty one years old. Sadly, you
had to be twenty one to carry a handgun in
the state of Tennessee. I believe that's right.

Speaker 7 (42:44):
That's in flux because in twenty twenty three there was
a federal lawsuit filed against the Department of Safety called
Beeler that was filed in East Tennessee, and it was
a challenge to the permitting law that said you got
to be twenty one unless you're at least eighteen and
you're either in the military or honorably discharged, and then

(43:08):
if you were eighteen or older, you could get a permit.
And so these three gentlemen who were in the eighteen
to twenty bracket sued the state alleged Second Amendment violation
Fourteenth Amendment violation. This is post Bruin and also federal
civil rights violations. And although our prior Attorney General Slattery
defended it and was unwilling to compromise, when Scremette came in,

(43:33):
they almost immediately settled the case and stipulated that denying
someone over the age of eighteen from being able to
get a handgun permit in Tennessee or to carry a
firearm a handgun constituted a violation of the Second and
fourteenth Amendments and constituted a federal civil rights violation. Now
the Attorney General's office has taken the position in other cases, however,

(43:55):
that that settlement only applies to the Department of Safety,
so that if local law enforcement or the maybe sheriffs, yeah,
the sheriffs or the law enforcement that's part of the
park rangers, basically they're not under the Department of Safety,
that those people could still prosecute you for being over

(44:18):
the age or under the age of twenty one. And
then this year the legislature did two years after the
settlement change the hanged on permit statue to say eighteen
and up is the threshold. Curiously, what they didn't do
is they didn't fix the statute about permitless carry, which

(44:41):
still says you got to be twenty one unless you're
in the military.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Comedy pinkas man. Government supposed to defend our mutual interests,
not oppressed citizens.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
It's crazy. So John, does do you guys publicly disclose
your membership numbers? Is that something that's availed publicly or just?
And that's I mean not every most A lot of
organizations don't.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
That's why I ask the question.

Speaker 7 (45:03):
I'm a member. I remembers there's.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Two we know, Johnson members guys have at least.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Speaking of John, John Grove is still in the studio there,
Johnny Hay questions before we run out of time in
this hour.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
You know, I was sitting there listen to what you're saying,
and I'm getting hotter into the collar here. You know,
it's like that cartoon the steam starts blowing out your
ears because this stuff drives me nuts, and to me,
it's cut you dry. You know, you read the Constitution.
You got the supremacy supremacy clause that states that the
Constitution statutes and treaties shall be the supreme all the land,
and all the laws will revert to the states. So
therefore all states are supposed to be required to abide

(45:39):
by the US Constitution, which your second Amendment is in
the US Constitution. So I don't know why we need
a fourteenth Amendment in the first place for the states
to recognize your right of keeping their arms. It's ridiculous me.
So what I hear is lawyers among the states and
politicians among the states of muddy the waters and made
things confusing and scary for people to own guns as
a way to intimidate them and prevent them from wanting

(46:01):
to do so. So what I'm wondering here is because
God's rulings apply to states as well as federal government.
Unless I'm mistaken, and we've heard that in the Heller
case where Heller was suing. You mentioned that earlier Hella
was suing because Washington, DC was depriving him his right
to carry arms. So I'm wondering how Tennessee's getting away

(46:22):
with any of this. And if they are enforcing this,
are they not acting under the color of law?

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (46:29):
Absolutely they are, And I'll tell you I mean, it's
been reported to us from friendly legislators that there's a
specific legislator House Republican in leadership who frequently makes a
comment to the effect of, it doesn't matter what the

(46:51):
Constitution says, we can pass anything we want to pass,
and the burden is then on somebody or some organization
to file a lawsuit and get a court to rule
that the statute that we enacted is unconstitutional. And until
they do that, then it's on the books and we

(47:14):
can enforce it. And so look at that mindset, that
level of tyranny this person openly expresses to their peers,
but they won't say it live on a video to
the constituents. And then sort of compare that with what
Bill Lee and Scremati have said in that huge case

(47:36):
where we've challenged the intent to go arm statue, and
it's exactly right that lawsuit's been pending now for over
two years. They're still enforcing those laws. Where you would
think if they've taken an oath under the Constitution to
protect and defend our rights, they should have come in
and said, you're right, these are unconstitutional, particularly in light

(47:58):
of Bruin, and we're going to imediately repeal them, and
we'll agree not to enforce them until we can repeal them.
But they've not done that. They've they've doubled down, and
they want to enforce it.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
So, so a law enforcement officer is enforcing a law
that is unconstitutional, that is acting under the color of law. Therefore,
can the police department itself be sued for violating that
right for for acting under the color of law.

Speaker 7 (48:27):
That's a that's a tougher question because in part of
my practice I do civil rights litigation. I got several
cases now in front of the Sixth Circuit on First
Amendment cases. And part of what you got to show
is that the alleged violation, okay, the civil rights violation

(48:48):
was one or arose in a circumstance where the law
was clearly established. Okay. This this concept of you know,
you might have a claim they might in fact, it
might in fact be unconstitutional, but unless the law making
it okay. Basically they're saying a court decision, unless there

(49:08):
was a court decision applicable to that jurisdiction that made
it clear that the conduct or the law being enforced
was unconstitutional, then even if it is unconstitutional, and even
if it is a civil rights violation, you can't get
a remedy. They get it basically a get out of
jail free.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Card always happens, does that, And that's one of the.

Speaker 7 (49:31):
Most common defenses to civil rights violations when you bring
them against governmental entities, is they immediately resort. Regardless of
whether or not the court's going to rule it is
or isn't a constitutional violation, they immediately go to the
law wasn't clearly established.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
So, as an organization, have you considered having meetings with
law enforcement officers to talk them about these things as
a preemptive measure. I know you you mentioned earlier as
it comes down to fund about taking action and stuff
like that, But I'm thinking a lot of people in
Tennessee must love the rights and want to protect their rights.
It would be willing to volunteer time to get involved

(50:08):
in educate law enforcement officers where they stand on these
thing as far as legal matters and stuff goes. Is
this an option?

Speaker 7 (50:14):
It is an option, and I'll tell you that the
best way to pursue that option is not necessarily through
a state organization, although we're willing to be involved. It's
through the fact that we've got the chief law enforcement
officers in almost all counties. Davidson, for example, is an
exception because we have a chief of police and our
sheriff is just basically a jailer. But sheriffs in most

(50:39):
counties are publicly elected, and the real pressure point is
to have those constituents in an election cycle raise a
fuss about it and get the sheriff to commit on
the record, in public speaking, with video recordings or written
statements as to whether or not they know or understand

(51:01):
that these laws are unconstitutional. I'll give you an example.
When we sued in that Hughes case against we have
in Gibson County with Lee and Scrimmetti, we also sued
the sheriff and the district attorney. The sheriff when the
lawsuit was filed was not represented. Generally, this is the
case sheriffs aren't represented by the state district attorney General's office.

(51:23):
They're represented by local council in the county attorneys. The
sheriff in that case immediately settled with us, basically saying
I'll agree to whatever the court tells me.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
The law is.

Speaker 7 (51:35):
Just let me out everybody else. Lee Scremetti, the district
attorney have all been represented by the Attorney General's office,
and their objective is, no matter what, defend the state statutes,
even if it's clearly apparent that they're unconstitutional. That's said said.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
How do you feel about Sheriff's Macsaw Constitutional Sheriff saw program.

Speaker 7 (52:01):
I think it's a good program. I've met him. He
is actually one of the speakers at our annual event
about eight years ago. Now he's got an agenda and
his organization does. The sad thing is we have too
many sheriffs in Tennessee that don't participate.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
Yeah, that's it. People got to get involved on that one.
Oh Todd, you got something on your money.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
We got a few minutes here left in at Tennessee.
We have a gubernatory election coming up, and I know
you have some thoughts on that and some opinions. Some
people talking about, say Senator Marshall Blackburn running for governor,
who just recently ran for the United States Senate reelected,
knowing she's probably gonna run for governor within the two
year period. What are your thoughts on that, and what
are your thoughts maybe on the gubernatory race in the state.

Speaker 7 (52:49):
Well, I will say this. You know, Senator Blackburn used
to be a state senator and we had opportunities to
try to deal with her as a state senator on
Second Amendment issues. She was of no help. She didn't
set on the committees that we had to go through.
But typically if the bill got to the floor and

(53:10):
the momentum was in the right direction, she would vote
for whatever we were pushing. Okay, she goes to Congress first,
thus in the House, and then gets to the Senate.
And when she did that, because in my law practice,
I represent a lot of individuals and businesses that have
federal firearms licenses, so I was having conversations with her

(53:33):
in her office about legislation to help fix problems with
the ATF. And the response I got back was she's
not interested in working on those issues. And so she's
been in Congress, you know, two decades. She's done nothing
to help Tennesseeans or citizens of the country ADF issues.

(53:56):
Other legislators have stepped in and tried to get some
stuff done. She's been completely missing in action. And I agree,
I mean she you know, she ran for her Senate
seat to get re elected as an incumbent saying how
important it was to elect her to go help Trump
after she did what she did, and in uh on

(54:17):
January the sixth, and then uh, Now, all of a sudden,
you know, really not quite a year into her second
term as a Senator, the hints are being dropped. Now
she hasn't said I'm running for governor. It's all coming

(54:37):
from her team, people like you know, the Family Reward Baker,
who I think are basically just trying to clear the
field so that she can be anointed as the next
And I'm really happy that at least John Rose and
some others are going to make it a primary battle.
And I'm not going to be surprised if, particularly since

(54:58):
she hasn't announced at this point, if she goes, wait
a minute, if I've got to raise you know, twenty
twenty five thirty million dollars to run for governor and
I have to give up potentially my Senate seat, do
I want to take that risk or do I just
want to you know, continue to be for the next

(55:18):
five years the senior senator from the state of Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
Yeah, there're no Bob Doles in the US Senate anymore,
for sure.

Speaker 7 (55:26):
So let's assume she becomes governor. You know, where's your
statements on the Second Amendment. Where's anything where she's defending
these issues? And it's not there, and it won't be there.
I mean if it's if there's anything to it at all,
it's lip service of I'm a strong Second and Amendment supporter.
But where's the proof. I mean, she's been in public

(55:46):
office for almost three decades.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
Absolutely, Well, John, appreciate you being on here. We want
to have you back at some point, but we'll be
back after the break, folks in just a few moments.

Speaker 7 (55:55):
Stick around.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Thank you John for being with us.

Speaker 7 (55:57):
Thank you very much.

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meet Roger, because yeah, every week we hear of show,
we hear about Roger every week from Gate City Monument.
So I just that that's whoever's reading that, that's just
that's just really like wow, it doesn't mean make me
think about the moro's part about you have to be
dead to need this service.

Speaker 7 (57:56):
Well, no, you could.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
Actually give a ventures of memorials something like that.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
They could create. Yeah, I gus they're honoring Dad. Never
mind exactly. But now my point is that it's like
I want to meet this guy. Actually, maybe I don't
want to meet this guy.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
So actually I believe they do other things. Besides, I
don't remember, I haven't been by there in a while,
but I believe they are doing the things. But I'd
like to just for a minute real quickly, guys, because
our guests the can get a chance to tell people
his website address. So I just want to let folks
know Tennessee Firearms dot com. That's Tennessee Firearms dot yeah

(58:27):
dot com. So in case everybody wants to look him
up and go check him out there at his site,
welcome to do so. It's also in the description. But
some people are just listening and they might like to know.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Right, maybe I want to support the Firearms Association there
their foundation that they have as well.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
That'd be appreciated. I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Yeah, absolutely So.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
While he's evil and I often describe him as a
cryptkeeper based on his hideous visage, I don't wish him
it will. Chucky Schimmer, the minority leader in the Senate,
has been taken to the host hospital after an incident
at his gymnasium. No update on that, so, yeah, I

(59:08):
had no idea. Well, it's it's a health episode of
the gym, so I don't know if.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
I'm probably at the Senate Senate gym where they where
they you know.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
It could also be it's the hot weather. Maybe maybe
he didn't have enough to drink, he was dehydrated. But anyway,
so the seventy three year old was sent to the hospital.
So as an update on Chuck shim Er, I don't
ish him ill. I don't wish him ill will, but
I definitely don't like the guy politically. But anyway, I
just thought we let people know about that.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
With his posture and and un easily speech, I'd never
seen him as going to the gym.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
No, maybe he.

Speaker 5 (59:40):
Goes down there and does like you know, has those
little middy like colored weights, a little pink weights or
two pounds, and he just does this with for a
few minutes.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Maybe he's just there to see the other men.

Speaker 5 (59:50):
Conduct to conduct business is what John.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
We're not going down that road anyway.

Speaker 7 (59:55):
Business is what.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
He's talking about.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
What I say, I can't help myself me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Meanwhile, the Attorney General Pam Bondi and the dj are
now suing all federal judges in the state of Maryland
over deportation or Legal experts say it's an unusual lawsuit
marks an escalation and the attack on the judiciary. Isn't
it funny when Trump strikes back at out of control
rogue legislating for the bench judges, that he's attacking the judiciary,

(01:00:20):
Yet the judiciary attacks him unconstitutionally over and over and
over again, issuing stays and banning him from doing things
within his constitutional authority.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
It's just here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
But you know why, you know why we're hearing this
because it's the media. It's the legacy, mean, real lies.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
It's terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
The Left loves to proper these judges up as if
they're somehow above the President of the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
You're not. You're fairly well beneath him.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
I'm sorry. You don't have the authority to go around
dictating what how he conducts his business on a daily basis.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I'm sorry, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
That's what I'm just getting ready to ask. I mean,
do they really actually have the authority over Trump? I
mean they might be able to league and make a
determination for bid.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
Well, the Supreme Court no equal branch coequal branch, but
not some just district judge. I'm sorry, you're not equal
to the president or the executive branch in any way.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
But even the Supreme Court, they just interpret, right, they don't.
They can't. They can't boss the president around. They can't
tell them what he can can't do. But again, if
they want to use the information Supreme Court provides for
impeachment purposes, right then you know that could be against them.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
But yeah, who was the president maybe as Andrew Jackson.
I know, we don't we don't like him here, but
he had a Supreme Court ruling against him, and he said,
you know, the Supreme Court Chief Justice has his ruling,
but he doesn't have an army to enforce it. And
they kind of just left it at that, didn't didn't
even enforce the ruling. I think it was Andrew Jackson anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
I don't recall it all, but yeah, it's sound, it's solid. Yeah,
sounds like Andrew pretty much, David. They were on the
same subject matter back then and pretty much come to
the same conclusion, right that. Right, Yeah, they can say
the way they want to, but they have no authority.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
I mean, they had no they have the authority to
enforce I mean, they have no enforcement mechanism. I mean,
but they have authority generally by by the executive branch
or even the legislative branch, abiding whatever the ruling is.
I mean, that's kind of what they should do. I mean,
but there's a lot of times whenever they're way off.
I mean, we we as the lay folks, know that
they're way off. But it's it's so political the Supreme
Court is now, I mean, it's probably always been that way,

(01:02:15):
but they make rulings based on the political ideology, not
the Constitution in many cases, not all cases.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
It's like, listen to our guests, and what he's basically
explained is he's talking about all these laws and stuff
that's in the state of Tennessee. I mean, yeah, I did.
That's pretty much putting in the nutshells. They just they
convolute it. They muddy the waters legally to leave people
into a state of helplessness. People where they have the
constitutional right and should have the ability to exercise it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yeah, so many people won't do any any research at all.

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
So whenever their legislator comes back from Nashville and they'll say, well,
we got constitutional care now, I did it for you,
you know, and I put themselves on the back when
in reality, as our guest just said, it's anything but
true constitutional care. You're just lying to the people.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Yeah, well that's that's like much government. We're just lying
to the people. They tell it's one thing, it's quite another. So, guys,
anybody have any plans go to New jack City, America's
hub of Islam. No, not Patterson, New Jersey, the big
rotten apple. Did you see what happened last night in
the Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
Absolutely, and you got to think you had. I mean,
two despicable individuals. Him and Cuomo were the top two folks.
I mean, like, how is this the only two people
you have in this entire city of eight plus million
people of legal residents plus the illegals that are there too.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
Certainly the people can go to an independent candidate, right,
I mean there's got to be another choice.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Well, there will be the dependent Canaday Eric Adams, the
current mayor is independent.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
So guys, I'm not distraught because I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
No, if if this, if this is handled, well, come November,
the founder of the Guardian Angels could be the next
mayor of New York City. Because Eric Adams will take
a quarter of the vote. Then you'll see Mandammie take
at least a quarter of the vote. You'll see about
a co about twenty percent of vote go to Cuomo
that will take silver sixty percent of the vote. And

(01:04:04):
that means that Curtis Sleewook you get thirty five or
forty percent and become the next mayor of New York City.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
That'd be so great.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
I would go for that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
And they were key. They were key back in the
day helping clean up New York.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Oh my goodness. Yes, people have forgotten about the Guardian Angels.
I mean I remember them growing up. You know, back
nineteen seven in New York was a war zone and
the police, the police were under siege and they didn't
really help people, and they were outgunned. They were out manned,
and the Guardian Angels stepped up in neighborhoods and patrolled
neighborhoods and protected people.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Were the original guardians. So they said, yeah, they.

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
Stopped so many, so many rapes and thefts on on
subways and stuff like that because they were very visible.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
And people would run up to them and they were
a deterrent, a deterrement.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
Yep, absolutely, go ahead, John, Sorry, oh no, I was
just in there thinking it's kind of ira irony to
me because as much good work as the Guardian Angels did,
there was a lot of crap in New York. It
was really assessed pool for a long time, and it
was Rooty had stepped up and cleaned up New York
City did a nineties Yeah. Yeah, and he never gets

(01:05:05):
any credit for that. He just got crapped on. That's
all he ever got. You know, guys, you step up
and do the job and get the job done and
do a good job at it, like Trump, Julian. These
guys are the guys they dump all over. Why is
that just liberal left thinking? I mean, you know, we
don't like it when people do a good job and
clean things up. We'd rather live in slime and disgusting environments.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
And they if they put the put a D next
to their name instead of an R, they would just
able to love them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Yeah about that now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
But you know, the Guardian Angels Safety Control is founded
at the height of chaos and New jack City.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
It was February nineteen seventy nine.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
The city was out of control, and since then, the
Guardian Angels have expanded to one hundred and thirty cities
in fourteen countries around the world.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Can't imagine that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Yeah, they were originally combat They were originally created to
combat that widespread crime, as you said in New York
subway system.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
And they trained their members to make citizens arrest, which
always reminds me of Barney five citizens is as.

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
I need the other guys. These were guys that came
back from from places like Vietnam and serving the military
and stuff like that. When they come back they realized
what their cities turned into because it wasn't like that
when they left.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Well, it was also young folks who gravitated to them
too well behaved. But I mean, look, I because Sleeve
was seventy one, so he's healthy and young. I would
love to see courtisly would become the mayor of New
York City. That would be such a repudiation of the Democrats.
I mean, as as Todd said, the best that can
come up with as a sex pervert and and and
a man who got tens of thousands of New Yorkers

(01:06:33):
and their parents, their grandparents, their aunts and uncles, murdered,
killed in the COVID scam by sending these COVID positive
patients into nursing homes and killing them in droves. You know,
this guy can never be forgiven, not to mention all
the underhanded, dirty stuff that's yet to be prosecuted for
what happened on his time as a governor. So he's
one in this other guy who is a lunatic, radical

(01:06:55):
Islamic fanatic who wants to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Socialize the city. It's just this is the best that
can come up with.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
I mean, that was over seventy percent of the vote
that the Democrats candidates got without even talking about the
other candidates.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
That's just crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
And you know what the silly thing is that the
day before the election, there were poles saying that Cuoma
was up by fourteen points.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
This is crazy, right, you know what happened to the
fourteen point lead. I mean, it just dissipated quickly, it
was over.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
It must never been there in the days.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
But what's forgotten about yeah, yeah, But what's forgot about
this is that this guy got his attention when he
assaulted police officers. They say he didn't, but he was
pushing them, and that's an assault, pushing police officers and
security at a Tom Homan event and screaming like an idiot.
Because New York City is full of criminal alienators and
their sympathizers, and so these people are out there. Look

(01:07:45):
at Cynthia Nixon, that that wackadoodle from Sex and the City.
She's a person of high moral character. Not did she
run for governor and lost?

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
Yeah something like that, Yeah, something stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
But she's out supporting this whackadoodle. These people are not Americans.
They're trying to us into Krapistan. They want this country
to be crap Istan, and there they fight to turn
us into Krapistan. It's really sad, really sad to see it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
And where are the good people of New York because
I mean, I know a lot of good people from
New York City.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Where Florida. Why don't they stand at Florida? Right, they're
in Florida. They left, they left, man, they're not there anymore.
They're Florida. They're in Pennsylvania. They left Texas. They're gone.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Now that's the problem. And they've gone, and then to
very few people left behind. The ones left behind are
out numbered. I mean, you know, not to get into
this this white replacement theory story. But but look at
the numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Look at the United Kingdom, the percentage of people who
are white European in that country.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
In nineteen sixty. America was ninety percent white back then.
Now the number of white folks in this country has
grown demonstrably, from one hundred and sixty million to two
hundred and about four or thirty many now, So it's
grown quite a bit, But the number of everybody else
has grown demonsrably, So the percentage has declined. But you
look at cities like New York, where it was ninety
three percent white in nineteen sixty and today it's it's
you know, it's barely over a quarter white. You know,
it's uh, the city's changed, it's a different city, and

(01:08:58):
the people have come in don't accept them more worries,
values and norms, by and large, and that's how you
get lunatics like this in office. Look at London, you
have a crazy mayor. You know, by the way, if
kiss you're curious, the United Kingdom four million Muslims, sixty
five sixty six million people live in the country. London, Luton, Sheffield, Manchester, Birmingham, Leicester,
Shall I continue all Muslim mares. Despite having just a

(01:09:21):
fraction of the population. How does this happen three thousand
Musque in a country that fought the Crusades to stop Islam?

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
Right, right, you're gonna be taken over by by by
your leftist policy, and and you're not gonna you're not
gonna be favored by the way you let them into
your country, let them take over. And it's not about
the person's religion, it's about their agenda here, their political
agenda especially, you know, you let them take over, and
the next thing, you know, they're not gonna respect you.

(01:09:49):
They're gonna they're gonna be like, you're the useful idiot,
like the Communists used to call them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
You're the useful idiot.

Speaker 5 (01:09:53):
Now it's time to kill you. I mean, essentially that's
what the communists said. Once we once we take over
and establish ourselves, we will have no more use for them.
They'll they'll be basically, you know, either killed or sent
to a gulag.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Yeah, it's just it's crazy. You know, this is the
death of the West.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
It's intentional, intentional, you know, and too there's no where,
there's nowhere for people to go for freedom. Association, freedom
of speech, freedom assembly, the right to seek redress. There's
no place to go when we fall. I mean the
UK has.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Fallen, Ireland's fallen, Germany has fallen, France's falling, New Zealand,
Australia're all falling to this woke virus and there's nowhere
for people.

Speaker 7 (01:10:31):
To go right.

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
And the people that see on social media that the
the faffo folks you know, or the two A people
that are like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Oh, they come here and do this.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
It's like if they come to your community, they're pretty
positive that they can pretty much do what they want
to do, and you're not going to be able to
defend yourself. The best way to defend yourself in the
beginning is at the ballot box without a doubt, and
stay politically active and don't let these you know, rhinos
or these people that alle to you who will sell
you out as soon as they go to Washington or
your state capitol.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Don't put them in office.

Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
And if they do sell you out, don't reelect him
for crying out loud, especially if they're back by big
money interest that you have no idea about.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Yeah, but people do back when they do vote for
him It's just it's insane.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
Good conservative because you know, I saw a flyer or
a mailer that said that they're a good Christian Conservative.
But it's like, yeah, don't you think somebody could just
lie about that?

Speaker 7 (01:11:18):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
People do. They want to They want to take down
people's guard with you know, for those who believed God
bless or hey, you know God sent me or whatever,
you don't, they always interject God to their conversation, right,
so they can get people to drop their guard on them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
I assisted a conservative running for office one time, running
for the House of Representatives, and he was running against
somebody who sent out all these nice mailers and you know,
commercials about being a good Christian and all this stuff.
And then once the once everybody was locked into the race,
all the negative stuff, all the attack ads from that
individual started coming out. But it's like they secured us

(01:11:56):
so many, so many votes already by playing the Christian
high ground that people weren't weren't about to turn against them.
And it's like just because they claimed the Christian high
ground doesn't mean there's a necessarily moral adjust and actually
truly Christian if you will, they're gonna especially, they're gonna
attack somebody at the drop of a hat just because
they their poll numbers start to go up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
A little bit dangerous speaking of rhinos and and people.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
H what do you guys make of this past week
when several prominent so called conservatives, including people who elected office,
came out and you know, so demonically opposed to President Trump,
accused him being a warmonger and started throwing the term
neo con around and talking about how Trump was leading
us in the World War three. Boy, World War II
was very short, wasn't It never lasted a second? But

(01:12:40):
all this all this panic over World War three. And
I was trying to calm my audience down saying this
isn't gonna happen. But there's a whole bunch of people
whose games are huge in the social media realm, really
big out there, who came out and criticized President Trump.
And the thing is, it's okay to criticize the President Trump,
but but there was no merit to their criticism, right,
They just criticized them because they all seem to hate
use every one of them.

Speaker 5 (01:13:02):
Yeah, no, absolutely, And it's funny, is though, But the
people that did celebrate you know what Trump did. They
have no idea about anything, defense or whatever, all of
a sudden come out as experts.

Speaker 7 (01:13:12):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:13:12):
It's like, you're not an expert on the fence. You
want to you want to say good job, thumbs up
on the hitting and hitting iron and the nuclear sites.
That's fine, but don't pretend to be an expert for
crying out loud.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
And a lot of these.

Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
Are local politicos and state politicos that pretend like they
know what the heck they're talking about, and they just
sound so stupid. But people are like, yeah, good job,
you know, because you post a picture of Trump and
maybe a mullah who's dead.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I don't know. Well, they generally scare people to death. Job,
I mean they really do scare people.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
I mean I had dozens of my my viewers contact
me through multiple means.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Chris, are we gonna go work?

Speaker 7 (01:13:44):
What's gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
I mean, they're really genuinely scared because it's nonsense.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
Yeah. So basically what's going on here is one they
want a grandstand because everybody wants to be so self important.
Because that's the nature or society anymore is look at me,
I know everything, Look at me, I am everything, I
am sotant here. You guys got to do what I
tell you. And they do this in Congress all the time.
You know, it's always attention seeking. It's it's disgusting. And
the other thing is is they got to keep you

(01:14:09):
in an emotional state of mind because people on tight
and emotional state of mind are controllable people. We can
manipulating them back into our way of thinking. As long
as you keep thinking emotionally. You know, you've got to
have some critical thinking. You've got to have some rational thought.
And our members we've had fear based leadership forever in
the day and it's gotten sickening and it's tiresome. We've
got to get away from the fear based leadership. We

(01:14:29):
as a society got to start using critical thinking and
put this stuff aside and start calling them out for
it so they'll stop doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Well, I agree with you a hundred percent, and we
shake it away from fear based leadership. And another note,
the world will end tomorrow. Vote for me now. But seriously,
you know the thing that killed me about all this
was so when it happened, excuse me, when it happened,
and the President said that it was totally brillivated, and

(01:14:57):
people said, well, is that true. I said, okay, hang on,
I have a problem because battle damage assessment is almost
always incorrect from initial estimates. I said that when the
President said we totally destroyed it, I said, we don't
know yet. All you can do is look at this
with imagery and thermals and listen to communication. It's going
to take a time to paint a picture of just
how much damage was done. Then you have these people

(01:15:18):
leaking classified information. Looks like it wasn't some of the
intelligence to me, but actually who else but a member
of Congress of course. So now the administration is going
to limit what they share with Congress because you can't
trust them they're treating Yeah. So so they leaked this
low level DIA assessment which was given low credibility. Low
confidence was the evaluation this report by the people responsible

(01:15:41):
evaluating reports come out of the DIA, and they said
it's low credibility.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
So this one comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
And says that they didn't do anything. It's just it's
just it's a few weeks. Okay, First off, you can't
even see the site. It's underground. How in the world
is anybody telling us that there was no damage, that
it's only delayed them for few weeks. How can you
possibly assess when they've lost fourteen to their top nuclear
scientists who are assassinated.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
They're gone.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
That's the ones we know about. There is probably afe
you've taken out we don't know about. So the top
figures are gone. The facility was hit with these bombs
that drive down a couple hundred feet below the ground
before they explode and mag a concussion underground from something
that big that wasted thousand pounds, and there were six
of them dropped there. If you look at the pre
image from max Air of the commercial satellite place, you

(01:16:28):
can see mountains, you can see trained ridge lines, and
then the photo after the bombing you see flat because
the entire mountain, part of it just collapsed inwards on itself.
And you're going to tell me that that's only to lay
them a few days. They are probably never going to
be able to get into that tunnel and dig that out.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
This is ludicrous.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
So I said that I don't buy the initial assessment
because it tends to be incorrect in the fog of battle,
and it takes more information.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
So for instance, people go, well, how are they going
to turn this? Well, imagery thermals.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
In addition, when the Iranians go to the site and
assess it and they're going to be communicating, we'll be
able to intercept what you're saying and then we'll get.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
A feel for it. Plus we evaluate different a lot
of indicators. It takes time.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
But based on the imagery I saw and having experience
as an imagery analyst, I would say that the President's
probably right that site may was obliterated. Whether it's literally
the nuclear program, I can't. I can't state because I
don't know where all this stuff was. I can tell
you that site and here's the other thing. All these
idiots right now? Yeah, well okay, yeah, but they took
it without any evidence whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Did they have any imagery?

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
They have any movie target indicators from J starrs or no,
there are argument is, well, they took all the physical material.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
How do you know that? Well, you don't know that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
You do realize that these nuclear sites in Iran are
watched twenty four hours day, seven days a week for
the past forty years.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
You have end lists that sit.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Around and watch and listen to everything that's going on
in every one of these sites. They don't fart without
somebody knowing about it. And so that's the reason why
Trump had to strike when he did, because no one's
even addressed that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
And I've not heard any analyst. I of course said
this has happened. I said.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
The reason Trump struck, he said he's going to do
something next two weeks. And when he did that, the
Raneis took them seriously and they moved a bunch of trucks.
Look at the video.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
We have the images of all dozens of trucks lined
up and guess what they ain't no more trucks. They
had been blown up. Yea, they go.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
But seriously, I mean, guys, it's you know. And so
this whole thing in the media trying to downplace. So
tomorrow morning, at eight am, President.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Trump said, did Secretary Defense and the Chairman Joint Chefs
U staff gonna come out and they're probably going to
disclose what was previously classified information just to embarrass. And
you see how Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Went off at the NATO summit. I was up at
four o'clock in the morning. I turned the TV on.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
It was on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
It was comical watching him and his fanboy Mark rud
the Mike Ruda, the Secretary General the the of NATO,
talking about this, and he was just going off on CNN.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
And all these meat outlets in the New York Times.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
Whoop.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
It was entertaining, right, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
And I don't understand the members of Congress that come
out in support of Iran and we're kind of a lout.
This is a nation who wants to wipe you off
the maut just because you're an American, regardless if you
agree with them or not. They're not going to spare
your life.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
I don't understand that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Uh yeah, Look, we just have to look around in
other places and see the condition of these other countries,
how they've been destroyed by this kind of nonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
I mean, look at France.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
You've got people at music festivals leaving rubbish everywhere, breaking everything,
completely different than what France was thirty forty years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
It's just it's total chaos. Same in the UK, it's
it's just insanity. Why do they want.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
That garbage that's from the developing world depositing our doorsteps.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
They're just eightful, evil people. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
I remember back in I think ninety seven, ninety eight,
I was at a Metallica concert in Germany, and you
know rock concerts, you know, usually just trash on the
ground or whatever. I waitness people throwing trash on the
ground and the people the concert grows are like making
them pick it up, like you know, throw that in
the trash band and the rubbish bin or whatever. You know,
not here, don't do that. That's kind of wild at
a rock concert.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Yeah, not with years ago, with you one hundred percent. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Some of the comments coming in on social media and chat,
someone saying where's the proof that sites are destroyed? Well,
I guess you're not very very good at hearing, Prometheus.
I just explained to you imagery analysis. Okay, what are
your bone ifeis? Prometheus? Are you a thirty six year
intelligence officer that worked at the national intelligence level, the
tactical level. I'm sorry, Oh, I'm sorry I confused you

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with myself Prometheus, Okay, sorry about that. Just looking at
the chat over there, got get a little confused by
some of these comments people get.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
In there, and you did caveat saying that you know,
there's still assessments going on.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Right, And initially I said I didn't buy the argument
that was too liberal d because we don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
There hasn't been time to analyze. It's just been a
couple hours. We don't know yet. Then then I said,
the papers are wrong because what do they know. They
can't see. And then I said, but looking at what
I saw, having analyzed imagery in the past, that and
that's commercial.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
That's not even the stuff that the government has, right,
and that commercial stuff isn't it in the near as
good as what I could see if I was behind
closed doors looking at what's commercially available. It's obvious that
massive damage was done. And as I said, you guys
heard me. I don't know what that means because there's
other sites, but it seems likely that they've destroyed their
nuclear capability based on what the information we have. So

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I mean Prometheus. You know, you could go to a
clinic and they have things to irrigate your ears to
get that wax out of there. It really is helpful.
I discovered that I thought I had tonight. It was
actually just ear wax. You know, just go get it
syringed out. It comes out really well. Anyway, Sorry about
the guys.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
Yeah, that's all right, man. They I'm pretty sure they
knew what they were doing when they dropped them bombs,
I think they knew what their targets were, and they
hit their targets, and they knew what they were using.
I think I think that job was adequately done. But
you're right, it'll take time to find an exact evaluation
on it. One of the things that people have brought
up here since this has happened is the possibility of

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sleeper cells that have come across the border these last
four years, and then they've been here long before that
we know that, and the awakening of sleeper cells and
having terrorist attacks here in the United States. Again as
a backplash on what has occurred here recently, and he
thought of this.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Yes, I have, and we've talked about this previously. I
talked about extensively. When the Biden regime was in office,
we caught dozens of Iranians crossing the border illegally from Mexico.
What are Iranians doing in Mexico other than to invade
our country. Iranians can only come to this country by
air or by boat, not by the Rio grand or
the Sierra Vista border. It doesn't work that way. So

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I've worried about it for years Iranians and others, and
the government didn't take it seriously. They completely ignored it completely.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
So answer like they wanted it, didn't they.

Speaker 5 (01:22:33):
I want to go back really quick to the assessment.
It says you have zero proof. It's like there's a
lot of evidence that's out there that you've assessed. It's
publicly available. This is where your assessment's coming from. So
that's the proof. You have no proof and on publicly
available information.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Right, And that's my analysis, which tends to be correct.

Speaker 5 (01:22:53):
Most nearly four decade experience during it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Yeah, yeah, whatever, you know. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
I only wrote and tell this products for the President
United State. It's not like I've ever actually done anything here. Yeah,
but you know, it's it's like, it's nice to see
the trolls come in.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
He's telling me not I didn't write them, but I
hand delivered them exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Yeah, you probably did. But he's telling he's telling me,
you know, not to argue with the patriot. I'm sorry,
what exactly there? Todd and I you know, good lord
in multiple combat tours and defense this nation. You know,
sit down, buddy, sit down, thank you, thanks for playing along.
We really appreciate you being here.

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
We're not saying that you're you're not not a patriot,
but in this instance, the Colonel's right, you know, sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Yeah, that's something I hear quite frequently in this instance to.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Come here and go, hey, look, if you're gonna lay
it out there for me, you're gonna lay it out
there for me, take advantage of it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Yeah, Hey, did you guys also see that today Iran
has banned the International Atomic Energy Agency, of course, the
agency that is more pro you know, Irradian than anybody,
because they actually called them out and you know what
they were doing. They're the ones who reported that they
had and which uranium over sixty percent and I guess
they didn't like being dined by their their own friends

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there at the UN. So a UN agency has been
banned by the Iranians. How much more rogue do they
have to be? You know?

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Come on, that might be a clear indicator they got
something else going on somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
H Well, it's a clear indication that this. Yeah, they're
definitely look, they they're on. His regime is in trouble.
I mean, there's there's a chance. I mean I'm not
predicting this, but there's a chance that people might finally
rise up and overthrow these mollus. They they are much
weaker than they realized they I think they might actually
be realizing and that's why they came to the table.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
So for years the Trump cart no pun intended for
the iranium maullus was their nuclear program. The nuclear program
they got to developing gonvelop because remember they fought nine
years with the with the Iraqis, and they couldn't beat
the Iraqis. We defeat the Rakis in like thirty six minutes,
you know, they couldn't feed they couldn't eat them. Well,
I mean it was a little bit longer than that,
but I mean I did get a campaign metal for it.
But of course there were bullets flying, but I guess

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that came with the turf.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
But no, you know, they couldn't defeat them. And how
they fought against them.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
They sent you know, teenagers, yeah at all across minefields
to set the minds off to clear the minefields.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
It's insane, insane.

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
They were fighting trench warfare, you know, and you had
jet aircraft all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
Right, yeah, it's look, it's uh, oh, I did see
you know, the the Israelis destroyed to destroy two of
their F fourteen Tomcats at Tehran, but the assessment on
those was that they weren't actually operationally just sat at
the airfields. Well, they aren't sitting at the airfield anymore.
So Tom Cruise probably, you know, crying his beer the
Tomcats are destroyed.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
You're talking about a country that was using helicopters to
fly their high dignitaries who couldn't get replacement parts, and
what last year one of them crashed them? Yeah, yeah,
I mean, these guys aren't They're not all there. They're
just financially, economically and technologically they're not all there. They're
not they're not a formidable end to me. It's just

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it's not going to happen for him.

Speaker 5 (01:25:55):
Yeah, and their ideology is I don't even want to
put the stone Age down, but you know it's the
Stone Age the ideology, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
So, uh, guys, which which video footage for you? Is
the footage of the week. I mean there's lots of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
We've got the B two spirits flying, I know, Todd
go ahead on which one is it?

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
The F bomb by Trump? Oh no, that was good,
But I was before the f B I. No, that
wasn't it for me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
The one for me was the Iranian State television, the
Fidel Israeli, He's a coming here.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Oh that was classic.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
And what's so funny about it is is they were
told to get out and they just stopped.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
I guess anything was gonna happen. It's like the.

Speaker 5 (01:26:32):
Iraqi spokesperson, right, Oh, nothing is happening.

Speaker 7 (01:26:36):
It's peaceful.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Look, I mean, look, we got the Iranian State television,
we got CNN in in in Kenosha, Wisconsin. I'm sitting
here in front of the mostly peaceful protest as gunshots
go behind him and the car dealership is on fire
with forty cars burning, a mostly peaceful protest.

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
Yeah, because the lord's mostly peaceful. Really got to get to.

Speaker 5 (01:26:57):
You right in the five square area he was.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
It's peaceful, probably right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
I mean, you know, I usually go to protests where
you're using cars to you know, toast our marshmallows and s'mores,
you know, come, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Ye. Anyway, so yeah, what an eventful week, ladies. John,
let's ahead and get into it now.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
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it's been an event for a week. Trump told people
to get out of Tehran, and millions listened. They fled
the city. The traffic jams were monumental. And then after
they fled the city, Trump said I will make my
decision in two weeks after he came back from the
G seven conference or summit in Western Canada, came back
early a day from that, and then had his briefing,

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approved the battle plan, and then said you got two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Within two weeks, I'll make my decision. And two days later.
But thank e Jum.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
I think one of the best parts of this was
from my perspective, is that I'm sick and tired of
the trees and his behavior of officials and bureaucracy and
in the White House, in past White Houses, including Trump's
pass White House, you portray this nation and disclosed classified
information for their own purposes, their own political purposes, and
get our soldiers and sailors, marines and airmen in harm's
way and citizens.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
This was flawless.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Operational security was locked tight, no one, No one knew
out of a tight circle who executed this.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
And then the even the.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Killer for me was that while I was broadcasting the
other day and this was going down, people were like,
uh B two bombers are flying to Guam. They're going
to Guam. That must be for Iran. My first question
was like, uh B two bombers are stealth bombers. How
do you know they're flying to Guam unless they want
you to know that, right, which nobody can answer.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Nobody can answer that question.

Speaker 5 (01:29:04):
Yeah, they wanted you to know that they were flying
that way for some reason. I and maybe that'll be
disclosed maybe tomorrow and the brief and or we'll see this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
Well no they did.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
They said it was the deception of you know, yeah, no,
but but at the time I kind of alluded to
that without giving it away. But I also said that
perhaps it's a message to China.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
We're going to go into a rod.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
Don't get lippity or uppity with ta with Taiwan by
putting stealth bombers within range of Taiwan and maybe China
and Guam. So that's what I and that could still
be part of the purpose of why they went there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
But while they were flying that way, he got a
fifteen hour mission from Whitman or Whiteman Air Force Base
in Missouri, the only base where you have these aircraft
flying all the way across, refueling multiple times, being joined
by a fourth and fifth generation strike package in front
of them. Intelligence of els recons aircraft knocking out radars,
strike package going in and wow, what an absolutely incredible operation.

(01:29:57):
Midnight Hammer was absolutely one of the most flawless and
best executed missions we've ever heard of in living memory.
What do you think about that time? No, I would
agree with you.

Speaker 5 (01:30:08):
And of course the fact that you didn't hear any
chatter until it was all over you It was perfect.
And Iran basically is like, we need to come to
the table, and I like how he's told Israel. I
guess they had a little exchange after the ceasefire was announced,
and basically he got on the phone with Israel and
they turned some planes around too, though. I mean the
fact that the ceasefire after that is holding means Trump

(01:30:28):
holds the Trump cards at this point, you know, without
a doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
Well, look I do, and again we will hold the
amministration accountable. I mean, I appreciate Trump's frustration with both parties,
but I'm a little puzzled by his reaction about you know, well,
I you know, I told them to stop firing, you know,
ceasefire and six hours for Ron and twelve hours for Israel,
and then they started firing. Israel sent to the biggest package. Well, dude,
it's like Armistice Day. It didn't happen immediately, was gonna

(01:30:54):
be It was in it later on the eleventh hour,
the eleventh day, eleventh month, so people killed each other
right up until that time. The Israelis are going to
send every strike package they candidates right, every single Rainian aircraft,
helicopter on the ground, and every single senior leader they
get their hands on before they stop, and they would
be foolish not.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
To do that. So the criticism of Israel from the
President I thought was misplaced. What didn't expect was happening.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
If he says he's fired immediately okay, but he gave
them twelve hours. That's more than enough time to fly
to Iran and do a lot of damage. And he
gave the Ranian six hours. That's lots of time to
fire missiles.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
So there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:31:29):
Yeah, yeah, who was quite clear about that. He had
set objectives for several reasons and he was going to
fulfill those. And so you absolutely look right what you're saying, Chris.
They wanted to fulfill those Finish the job, get the
job done. And now when they come to the table,
they've they've completed their task and they're ready to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
But you know, you can't win.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
If Trump does nothing and Iran puts a suitcase bomb
and it blows up Miami. Then Trump destroyed the world
and took us into World War three. If Trump stops
around's nuclear capability, he's a warmunger to let in the
World three. But I'm still curious, you know, Thomas Massey,
Alex Jones, Marjorie Taylor Green kedus Owen's where where's world
War three at?

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Did we miss it? Is it still coming? We'll pay attention.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
But they all said we were going to be in
World War three, and a lot of these people have
backtracked down.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
They're all like raw raw, Trump, but now go back.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
Don't you think that was a calculated risk before he
made me a decision? I mean, wouldn't they be sitting
in the situation room going, Okay, what are the odds?
What's going on in China? What's going on in Rushbant?

Speaker 7 (01:32:32):
So he knew what.

Speaker 4 (01:32:33):
He was doing. He didn't just will newly do this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
Of course. But here's here's my point. If it had failed,
I still would have backed Trump. It was necessary.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
But these people bailed on Trump and now they're coming
back and like, oh, oh no, you know you weren't
here all along. You dumped Oliver Trump. You accused him
of leading us in the war. And here's the thing.
It's so comical for me. Even some of these conservative
commentators don't know civics. But they don't know what the
Constitution says, They don't know what manner chief is, they
don't know what the War Powers Act in nineteen seventy

(01:33:03):
nine says, and then running around these idiots like Crockett
and AOC this is a violation.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Of War Powers Act. No, it's not, no, and at all.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Trump has to inform Congress in the forty eight hours,
and he did, he did.

Speaker 5 (01:33:15):
And of course he can send forces in for sixty
days without even declaring a war or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Right, And what's most annoying about all this is, like
so many other things, this is not exactly novel of
President Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
He did it to solimani that lose their minds. Obama
murdered American citizens extra judicially. He fired drones at American
citizens ZM and killing a known terrorist and his son
who wasn't an YEP. And then he fired thousands of
rockets and missiles into countries we saw that. Of course,
also Biden did this probably five different countries, three of

(01:33:50):
which he couldn't eve identify the map if you asked him,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
And so this has been going on forever. Trump took
the action that he felt was necessary to protect the
American people and quite frankly, protect the world. And if
it had failed, I still would have endorsed it. I
still would have supported.

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
So the the Iranians tried to take say, we defaulted
on some of our treaty agreements with them on nuclear power.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
So we have no treat.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
But they're basically what they're what they're doing is they
tried to justify their actions of origin riching uranium weapon
for purposes of weaponization, and so Trump basically shut that
down pretty much permanently. We should hope permanently. This is
one of these circumstances where we won't be going twenty
years in the future going wow, we really should have
taken action, Then we really should have shut that down.

(01:34:38):
Then it's done. He did us a service. And then yeah,
he was saying it to begin with, he was saying
when he was taking action, he wasn't doing a service
just for Israel. Yes, it self serving for Israel, but
truthfully he was doing a service for the world because
these are dangerous people. Iran has funded al Qaeda. Iran
has funded many of these terrorist organizations that have tached

(01:35:00):
the United States of American.

Speaker 5 (01:35:01):
Locker bomber, you know, many many terrors. Yeah, the Marin.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Marine Corp.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
Barracks bombing was funded by the Iranian State comas the
houtis all terror organizations.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Ye, no quarter, it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
Was time to shut them down. And as you said, Chris,
if we can get a flip of the regime and
get and actually get democracy back in Iran, that'd be a,
that'd be a win.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Women. I don't care about democracy and Iran. I don't
care if it's a it's glass.

Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
Well, you're getting you're getting rid of this regime, That's
what I'm getting at.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
We're they're not they're not gotting rid of They're still there.
But I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:35:36):
If he's saying you're for that, you're for the regime
for that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
If they if it turns out to be that, the
people of Iran star from my understanding, people of my
rim are thanking us for this.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Yeah, but there they are people thank this in Bagdad too.
But then you know the State Department of D and
D couldn't work together and screwed it up. And then
they take the play They didn't take the playbook that
was built before the war went. In fact, that was
three feet high of all the printed out documents of
how supposed to restore power, get water on, provide security,
demilitarized military. And they all just set her out their
thumbs up the wreck. I mean, look what happened in
Iraq because of that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:36:08):
So the point is that if if people in Iran
pretty much stand up against their government now things to
overturn it they'd overturn their government and we get a
different form of government. I mean, this is just be
huge for the world.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
Look, and I gotta be careful for getting a different
form of government in New York the courtesy the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
I don't want that, not at all.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
I can't get any worse than Iran. That doesn't really
get worse in New York City.

Speaker 5 (01:36:31):
That's America's largest city, and that's you know, that's where
the world goes to do commerce right there. I mean,
imagine what that's going to have if this guy gets
elected to be mayor there. I mean, it's going to
have a dramatic effect on a lot of things that
we do in our society around the world.

Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
I think what liberals got to come to realize. And
I hope they're listening right now, because it was the
Biden administration was the liberals that said keep the borders open.
So the liberals have said let them in. And now
we're talking about possible backlash of terrorist organizations here in
the United States of America attacking our people with terrorist activities.
Usually terists attack large scaled city Chicago, La, New York City,

(01:37:11):
places where liberals live, you know, so are commonly going
to find conservatives live in their arias. So they basically
shot themselves in the foot once again. If it happens,
and I'm not wishing for it to happen by any means,
don't get me wrong, I definitely don't want it to happen.
But if it were to happen, liberals did it to liberals, well.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Yeah, they're the ones that have led the de westernization
of the world and all this radical ideology. It is
just a bunch of nonsense, you know, attacking America for
the breton Wood system. The brett Wood system has allowed unprecedented,
unparalleled prosperity, enriching the lives of billions of people. Right,
they're in the middle class in a big way, and
not just in America but around the world, lifting people

(01:37:49):
out of poverty. You know, a billion Chinese have been
lifted at a billion, six hundred million Chinese have been
lifted out of poverty because they've adopted some free market reforms.
Match if they were actually a capital base market, they
probably none of them be living in poverty. With the enginuity,
the Chinese have been able to steal from every I
mean I adopt Yeah, no, it's but exciting stuff. What

(01:38:12):
a crazy week, What a strike operation Midnight Hammer that was.
It made for a busy, busy week for me. Man
I had like six streams in one day.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
Because all this stuff. It was.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
It was this crazy stuff. But I mean here we
are now, what's going to happen going forward? Well, Iran
will be a lot quieter. I think they'll they'll spark
a little bit and bark a little bit. But what
about the attack on their air base and Gutter? So, guys,
I'm going to do a replay of this, Hello, Gutter
Ministry Defense. This is the Supreme Command of the Ayatola.

(01:38:41):
We will be firing fourteen missiles at the American base
in your country. Not to worry, it's at the base
and they'll be fired at six thirty five this evening.
You can expect them over your airspace at about six
fifty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
In case you know, no, you might want to shoot
them down.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
I'm just saying we have to do something to appease
our people.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
They're very angry with us here in Tehran.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
They want to kill us. All we've got to do
somebody show them we're still in charge.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
And then actually notified the American Department Offense too, that
they were firing missiles at our base. Did you guys
know that? Which was smart?

Speaker 5 (01:39:17):
Which was very smart to do, so we could shoot
them down because if they had hit and kill people,
it's a different situation all of a sudden. So I mean,
let me let me no longer in charge at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Let me just roll the clock back to July or
June of nineteen forty one, after they finished in the Balkans,
over running Greece and Crete the Nazis here, we are hello, Yes,
this is the red line to the Kremlin.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Yes, can I talk to can I?

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Can we talk to Joseph Dollin? Okay, just a moment,
can you hold for the fure?

Speaker 12 (01:39:50):
And oh Joseph, Joseph Via going to at Tech at
five o'clock this morning. Operation Barbadosa is under ve villa,
coming to my skull. We've got lots of utility be
shooting at you studying at five o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Are you ready? Are you ready? Please?

Speaker 5 (01:40:07):
Do not turn on the winter though, do not turn
winter on?

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
Can you keep the winter off? Please? Yeah? Oh my goodness,
can you imagine that? You know? It's even better? Even better?
You ready?

Speaker 6 (01:40:18):
For this.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Hello, Hicckham Army airfield. This is this is uh here, Ajito, Takehito.
I'm in a zero approaching your airfield. Uh. We are
gonna bomb you into the stone Age? Are you ready
for this? Way? Come on? Seriously?

Speaker 6 (01:40:33):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:40:36):
You know the Arizona would be uh you know, would
have been scuttled. You know they're maybe the Bikini Atolls
test or something. It would have been sunk at Pearl Harbor.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
If that was like goodness, I mean, hello, we're bombing
you now.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
Did you also hear the the the Israelis. Somebody share
the recording of the Massad agent calling up the Iranian general.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
Did you catch that? No?

Speaker 3 (01:40:59):
I mean them, you tell me more. The Massad agents
who speak Persian Farsi. They they were calling up there
any generals?

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
Hell, oh, General Salamana, do you know who this is?
Who's this?

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
This is from the same country that just sent you
following three people's all the way to Hades.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
It wasn't Hades that he said on the phone call.
But it's a phone call. The General's like, what what
who is this? Your went to blow up yourself moment? Yeah, exactly,
your page to blow up your page was self destructed
fifteen seconds. Your mission, whether you choose except or not,
is death.

Speaker 5 (01:41:38):
Yes, sorry, Ethan, I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
I guess Prometheus left here. I couldn't keep up. I
don't know, you know, too bad. We lost our troll
because they really get the algorithms going, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
Anyway, Yeah, no, but seriously, guys, I mean, come on,
it's it's it's it's just this whole thing. So the
Twelve Day War, at least for now, that's what's going
to be known as we had the six day Workhorse
in nineteen sixty seven and brilliant preemptive strike by the Israelis. Yeah,
this was incredible conflicts in history. They destroyed the entire Egyptian,
Syrian and Jordanian air force.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
On the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
And imagine, imagine how that had to be timed, because
if you take off from Israel, you're enjoyed to thirty seconds,
you know, bombing people within five minutes Israel to Egypt
is a little bit further.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
And then you got serious.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
So you've got a time it so that nobody gets it,
and so they all hit at the same time. That
was incredibly talk about synchronized swimming. That was brilliant back
in sixty seven. Yeah, yeah, anyway, yeah, oh, I love
the Masad guys.

Speaker 5 (01:42:36):
I'm doing some joint stuff with, you know, especially a
lot of bilateral stuff. You get to work with those
guys on a regular basis, and they're unique and there
they're an interesting bunch of guys, I can tell you
and gals.

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
Well, i'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
You know, Hollywood sometimes really embellishes things and gets things wrong.
But one movie that I thought was really well done
was a Spielberg I mean that was Munich.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
Oh, yeah, absolutely, Eric with Eric Bannon. That was Eric Banner.
Was really good movie. Yes, that was incredible, which is
a true story.

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
I mean there's a bit of Hollywood and Bellishman in there,
but that's exactly what Messade did. They hunted these people
down and killed every one of them responsible for that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
For the killing of those athletes in Munich. Yep, incredible. Yeah.
I had one.

Speaker 5 (01:43:14):
This was we were in Poland on a thing and know,
we were talking and like the next day he's like
he knew my full name and everything, he knew exactly
where I lived. He's just letting us let me know
that how good they are. I'm like, wow, that's pretty good,
And I said, I bet I could figure out where
you live too. He's like, you can't figure out my
real name? I said, all right, good, good dude. That
was pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
Though.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
It's strange how some movies which are really sedate still
draw you in, you know. I mean, look at Black
Hawk Down was like crazy action, you know, so that
drew you in.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
That was a pretty good movie by Mark Off Mark
Boat's book. But but two movies that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
Come to mind that are these slow rolling movies that
really drag you in and just don't want to step away.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Munich is one of them, and another was Zodiac. That
was incredible. That was interesting too. Yeah, yeah, I mean
I knew the whole story, but the movie was so
well filmed and direct right with Jake Gillian Hall or
Gillen Hall and then what's his name there? The guy's
always in trouble, the iron Man, iron Man, Yeah he
played he was training the drunk guy whatever. And yeah, yeah,
that's what a great movie that was. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:44:12):
Absolutely, Now spit switch gears here. Who do you think
the Zodiac was? I mean there was like three key
key individuals that they were keying in on. One had
been I think in Navy, like cipher guy or crypto
guy I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Right right, Yeah, Zodiac one of the guy was that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Yeah, so, I mean they had lots of suspects in this,
but in the end, I think it was the most
obvious guy.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
That's the guy that went after So what's his name?
John A blank? Right now? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:44:39):
Yeah, But and that's what a lot of the experts
think too, is it's the one you're talking about. Yeah,
I can't think of it, but yeah, and of course
obviously they can't try him, so they can't say, yeah,
one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
That it was the guy. Yeah. So, I mean, but
the Zodiac cipher is pretty amazing something. You know. A
couple actually cracked that thing, you know, and figured it out.

Speaker 5 (01:45:00):
It was a mom and pop you know, they loved
puzzles and they figured something out.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Pretty wild anyway, Yeah, no, what what a crazy situation here,
And the guy claimed a lot more you know, Arthur
Lee Allen, that's the guyrect Yeah, Arthur Lee Allen. He's
dead now, but uh yeah, that was a lot of
people thought that that he was the guy. I mean,
I I I suspect he was. I mean, you know,

(01:45:28):
there's a lot of stuff on Zodiac, you know, especially
in this day and age. You get you get, you
get Netflix and and platforms like that where people love
to do these specials and and.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Uh, but that movie was really incredible. I really thought
that was an amazing movie. Absolutely, So next question, D B. Cooper,
who was he? I don't know who, we know, we
don't We don't even know if he survived, you know. Uh,
they found parts of this years later. But but that
was what a mess that guy said a precedent, you know,
with a freaking skyjacking. That it's not something we needed.

(01:46:01):
That was definitely not something we needed. But Arthur Lee
Allen had all the all the all, there's so many
hallmarks of the Zodiac that this guy just fit perfectly.
The boots, yeah, yeah, that's right. And he was convicted
sex offender.

Speaker 5 (01:46:17):
Yeah, glasses, the look he looked almost like the sketch.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
Yeah, exactly from the Survivors. But what a twisted individual
to do what he did. So that was pretty crazy. Yeah,
Zodiac solid salambs epic. That was a slow Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
Yeah that the solid slam is a bit creepy, you know,
do you still hear them? Can you hear them clarase,
hear the silence of the lambs, good Man. That was
That's that's great movie. Great.

Speaker 4 (01:46:48):
I think every every every movie got more and more
of a ridiculous They got ridiculous well just so so
mind disturbing. I mean, you know, I get things I
wouldn't want to say on the radio right now that
they illustrated in the movies.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Was. Yeah, Robert Downey Junior played played the guy in
in Zodiac. It's a great movie. Jake Joen Hall and
Robert Downey Junior. That was really good. But I mean
it's amazing how sometimes Holly we can just you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Know, do a really great job movies, where as opposed
to watching Wakanda and you know, Wonder Woman, that was
pretty Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:47:20):
I mean I don't understand that the whole reboot after
rebat after reboot. It's like, you know, do a superhero movie,
get it right the first time, you don't have to
reboot it every five seconds.

Speaker 4 (01:47:30):
Were different directors, right right, right, yeah, Yeah, somebody had
their own vision and they wanted to show their vision.

Speaker 5 (01:47:36):
With the whole Superman with Zack Snyder cut, you know,
or Donna Justice or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
That was.

Speaker 5 (01:47:41):
Next thing you know, they had to bring in Josh
Wheedton and he just kind of watched that whole thing.
And I guess the Snyder cut reaged on HBO a
few years ago was would have been a heck of
a lot better. It would have been like three hours,
but it probably would have would would have been competition
for for oscars.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
It was that good.

Speaker 4 (01:47:57):
Were you guys DC comic fans or I like comics.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
I don't read them. I do like the characters, though.

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
I was never big into him. I have friends that
were really big into them, and when they start doing
Batman and stuff like that, they were so excited. It
went and saw every movie and there were good movies
and stuff. You know, I am Hollywood. I go watch
a movie and I've done forgot about a week later.

Speaker 5 (01:48:18):
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go wat see the New Superman
when it comes out, just to just to get an
idea of what it's about.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
And you know, there's Superman, Oh my good coming out.

Speaker 5 (01:48:27):
Yeah, and it's got the little Crypto the dog in there,
and it's got a lot of the it's one of
the comic book lines, the storyline it that they're going with.
So I can't remember which one it is. But it's
very bright, very you know, hopeful, and stuff like that
from some of the clips I've seen, so I.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Think it may be maybe a good movie.

Speaker 5 (01:48:43):
I don't like the idea of the big fire breathing,
dragony looking thing, but whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:48:48):
So hold Them brings up Nerds and I'm sitting there thinking,
does he mean Revenge of the Nerds because it seems
like it was a prophetic movie of the nineteen eighty
I refer.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
To the fact that people are in the comics.

Speaker 4 (01:49:00):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think so, but I thought
i'd throw it up to it.

Speaker 5 (01:49:03):
That's all right, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
I do have some really important news which we need
to announce to everybody. I don't know if you know this. So, guys,
I don't know if you know this, but the Ukrainian
American is selling OnlyFans website.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
Did you know that?

Speaker 4 (01:49:18):
Who say that?

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
Again? Yes, there's a Ukrainian American who is the owner
of the secretive Holy Fans the platform. Okay, gotcha. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
It was started twenty sixteen by a wealthy brit but
now the current owner is a secretive Ukrainian American wants
to sell it for eight billion dollars. There are four
million creators on Only Fans and they have they have
three hundred million fans who pay for it. And in
the twelve months to November twenty twenty three, which is
the latest data available, that site brought in one point

(01:49:48):
three billion dollars in revenue, fifty percent of which went
to OnlyFans. That's an operating margin that was higher than
Alphabet Meta Microsoft.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:49:59):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:50:00):
It's basically just any weird porn fetish, whatever the heck
you want.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
It's actually I think Only Fans does have things where
people do hiking, camping and other non ext I guess
I don't really I think I think it does. But yeah,
it's well known for the pornographic material.

Speaker 10 (01:50:19):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:50:20):
That's that's the only way I even know, because I'll
look at it. I'm not a subscriber. Uh, but that's
the only way I've come to know about it is
through people talking about it, you.

Speaker 4 (01:50:28):
Know, social people talk about on social media stuff and yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:50:32):
Right, and it's and you know, it's like it's right
there in your face too. I mean even on Instagram,
you know TikTok. I mean, it's all right there anyway,
It's it's sick.

Speaker 4 (01:50:39):
O stuff, and it's kind of it's kind of disturbing
how how focused people are since the nineteen eighties. I
think people people got really focused on so everything I
had to do with sex kind of them down to
things sex cells and so another's people talk about.

Speaker 5 (01:50:52):
People want to talk about protecting their kids, but then
they throw them out there on social media and sex
them up and stuff like that, and it's like, you're
not protecting your kids, respect that privacy. It's like you
put your kid out there in some bikini. We're provocative photos.
Oh no, it's for her modeling career. No, you're basically, yeah,
your child porn light.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
It's what you are.

Speaker 7 (01:51:11):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
Yeah, well, you guys are right.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
I went I went to only fans and the first
thing it shows up here you first you have to
have an account even go into it is a comedian
Britney Schmidt. Of course, it's it's not exactly appropriate comedy, but.

Speaker 4 (01:51:26):
It might be more adult like material, but not necessarily exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, everything seems to have a sexual
into it, even the weightlifting videos of course.

Speaker 4 (01:51:37):
But that's our society anymore. It's kind of like, I
don't know, like I said nineteen eighty, it seemed to
be this whole sex cells thing and everybody got so
wrapped up into it. It's it's turned into ridiculousness.

Speaker 5 (01:51:47):
And everybody documents every damn thing that they do in
their life. It's like, oh going, you know, it's like
to pull the phone out going grocery shop and look
at the carrots.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Up ball and they do. It's so stupid.

Speaker 5 (01:51:55):
All the stuff that people put out there, I mean,
nonsense and people mindlessly watching like curates.

Speaker 4 (01:52:01):
I suppose you suppose you're like either.

Speaker 5 (01:52:04):
Right right now, I'm just saying every little things documented,
and of course everybody is an expert, but nobody uses
their their supercomputer that they have in their pocket to
do real research and look things up. It's like, you can,
you can do that before you try to call people
out or pretend like you're an expert. Do a little
bit of research before you spout off on social media
like you like you know something.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
That's my thought.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
Well it's a fair thoughts. Folks were almost about out
the door here. Thanks for tuning with this week. We
appreciate it. Thanks to our guests from the Tennessee if
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Speaker 4 (01:52:35):
Cheers, guys, Bye everybody,