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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I listened stupid advice of my friends to make a
pause with my fiance and get a new experience. Now
I lost him and our perfect relationship. I am a
twenty five female my ex fiancee twenty seven male, have
been together six years and were getting married in December.
Four months ago, I started a new job in nursing
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and started hanging out with a group of six other
nurses and became friends. Felt good having friends outside of
my ex's circle. We talked about everything under the sun
and got curious about the winger lifestyle and how it
seemed so amazing at the time. After about three months
of hearing the stories of how their weekend or days
off warned them asking about anything I ever wanted to
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try or do, one of them said she could help
me with two things on my list at once, and
that I wasn't married yet and could simply take a
break from my relationship, do what I thought I need
to and just go right back to my relationship. Neil
harm Noel fa and yes, looking back at it now,
I have no idea what I was thinking. So the
month of August rolls around. Had planned a trip to
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California to see my parents, I tell my fiance that
I would like to take a short break from us,
and the only reason I give is to sort out
some things in my head. Then I lie and tell
him I will be back in three weeks from my parents.
I knew I had planned two weeks at my parents,
then come back and spend a week hanging out with
my work friend's partying. Let's look at that one week.
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Came back, went out to a club and dinner with
this couple, had a lot of fun dancing and such.
Then back at their house, started making out with the wife.
Being with a woman one of the things I was
curious about had progressed to me going down on her
and her husband joined him by surprise and ricked me.
I stopped everything right then and there ended up needing
four stitches and was in a lot of pain and bruised.
I stayed at their house a few more days till
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I recovered, being ashamed to face my fiance in that condition.
The night this all happened, my fiance had called me,
and I didn't call him back to the next day
and lied again, telling him I was still at my
parents and would see him on Sunday. I return that
Sunday to our apartment. All his clothes and personal belongings
are gone and a note saying hope he was worth
it and his apartment key. I panic. I had no
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plan for this. I call him and text him. All
he sends me is a video of me dancing with
my friend's husband and blocks me. At this point, I
am frantic. I call my friend and tell her. She
comes over with two other of my friends and call
me down and say, Sweety, no problem. All he has
to do is reclaim you and everything will be fine.
Later that week he calls me. I ask him to
come over on Friday so I can explain everything and
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we can talk. He agrees, I got his favorite takeout,
had the whole Reclaim me and live happily ever after
in my head, and he shows up with his mom
and brother with him and starts collecting the remainder of
his belongings. I am a crying wreck at this point.
His mom calms me down on the balcony. Why they
finish getting all his stuff? Then he comes out on
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the balcony, sits down and says, OK, you had something
you wanted to say and listens. He wouldn't engage me
in the conversation, just short one word answers or shrugs,
was the coldest I had ever seen him. He listened
to my desperate plea to him, and if he would
just stay with me for the week end, I would
prove to him I loved only him. He declined and
told me good bye and kissed my forehead and left.
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I spend the weekend crying and still trying to contact him.
I returned to work on Monday looking like death warmed over,
and my friend once again has a plan. So Tuesday,
me and her weight in the parking lot of his
job for in the plans have a threesome with him,
and that way he reclaims me, and all good my
mind at this time had I singular focus him reclaiming me.
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He turned us down flat. He was calm and composed
and just asked me to stop calling his family to
get to him, and once again told me that we
are done and I can do whatever I want now
and should be happy to be free of him, which
I wasn't. I was miserable and grasping at straws at work.
The next day, another friend at work suggests Reddit as
a source of information and help dealing with it. At
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this point, I start pulling away from my friends and
read on here about giving his some time to process
before I try and speak with him again. So I
changed shifts to avoid the others and withdrawn to myself some.
I had also asked my former friends to leave him alone.
This past Thursday, the husband went to his work to
speak with him and got his knee kicked in after
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shoving my ex. I woke up Friday morning was my birthday,
and was depressed, hopeful my ex would call or text.
No such luck. Around lunch time, I went downtown to
eat and I saw my ex smiling on a lunch
date with a blond woman I had never seen before,
and everything I had done to him crashed in on
me at once, and I finally understood level of damage
I had unleashed on him. He was only having lunch
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with her, and I felt my guts clench up. I
left before I was seen, got home, quit my job,
packed up what I could in my navigator, and started
driving home to California. Lucky for me, my brother had
me detour to his house in Texas instead dot that work.
I am now we have reached the end of the story.
Let's listen to some of the comments by our Reddit
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listeners and original posters answers. Comment one, it amazes me
that winging couples talk up their lifestyle but then convince
other to lie to their partner. Pro tip. If an
open couple gets you to lie to your partner to
be with them, they are not your friend. They are
recruiting you. They just want to use you. This is
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exactly what happened here. OPI gave her ex fiance a
gift of showing her true self. Her friends recruited her,
but she accepted. Comment two. This is an excellent cautionary tale.
You wanted your cake and to eat it. You didn't
care about the damage as long as he never knew.
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And if you had gotten away with it, then I
have no doubt you'd have tried it again in the marriage,
telling a fiance you want to break from them, surprised
he didn't call the wedding, and then that was his
red flag. This is a good lesson to learn. This
idea that men are messed sachs whose humiliation can be
cured by reclaiming that only works in consensual winging relationships,
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and even then, I'm not sure if those are as
stable slash happy as they get made out to be.
You violated his consent. I hope you recover as well,
though You've got taken in by manipulative friends who basically
saw you as a fun distraction. They didn't care about
the damage. The fact the husband thought he could go
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browbeat your ex int if accepting things shows the level
of arrogance they have TBH. Burn them at work. Report
your friends to HR because they will do this to
someone else. Get counseling, if only to help you work
through your grief and to understand the why how you
are easily taken and tempted by this stuff. Otherwise it
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will repeat. Cheating fiance went crazy when I got revenge
on her backstory. I thirty four m now was raised
by a single mom because Dad passed away when I
was younger. But I had many male role models and
older brothers, and he left behind a generous life insurance policy,
so I largely had a good upbringing. However, I was
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not ever very social, and from my early teens I
spent a lot of time in front of my computer.
This habit got worse as I went to college, and
it resulted in me spending eighty percent of my time gaming, working, reading,
or whatever on a screen. As a result, I was
not very attractive and quite obese at the age of twenty.
For these reasons, I never really dated and did not
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even lose my innocence until I met my expience. On
top of this, I was raised very religious because my
mom became really religious after the death of my father,
so I always thought it was a bad idea to
play the field. The only thing I had going for
me was that I had become somewhat proficient in several
coding languages and expanded on these in calls. I would
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not say that I am a good IT person or coder,
but with a little bit of coding knowledge and a
lot of creativity, you can create residual income streams, and
I had a decent job in it where I could
work from home three days a week. At the age
of twenty four, I was still overweight and a social reject,
but through my mom, I met a woman from her
Bible study that would eventually become ex fiance thirty six
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f now, we hit off and started dating. She had
a two year old son at the time, and they
became the only thing in my world that I cared about.
It did not take me long to get physical l
O L. All those years of pretending I was saving
myself went out the window when I finally had the
chance to lose it. To be honest, she really broke
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me out of the shell. I had become more sociable
within a couple months of meeting her. I even took
on a fatherly roll for her son, and within six
months of dating she got pregnant. Being the religious person
I was, I immediately proposed and wanted to marry before the
birth of the baby. Then she dropped a bomb shell
on me. She was still legally married to a guy
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in prison. This did not bother me too much, as
she had always talked about her troubled past, and I
thought I would be the one to save her from
it anyways, so I just took this as it came
with the territory. She began the divorce proceedings shortly, and
we planned to get married as soon as those were finished.
I was riding high after the baby was born, and
I thought I had really carved a place for myself
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in the world. I even started losing weight and spent
less time online than Ever, she was always kind to me,
and I thought we let each other know everything we
were thinking. Boy was I wrong. There were a few
red flags that I was too love struck to see. One.
She told me early on that the only reason she
got involved with my church was that she was on
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probation and had pending court cases and thought it would
help her case. Two, despite me earning a comfortable six
figure income with side projects and my main night to job,
she insisted that she keep her part time to and
my mom had to help me take care of the
kids to deal with it. Three, she knew way too
many people, like what suburban mom with a secretarial job
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has two hundred contacts in her phone. Four We kept
delaying our marriage due to sick relatives or other issues,
although she did go through with the divorce to the
prison guy. Then something happened that shook me out of
her spell. She got pregnant for a second time, and
this time with twins. We had only been with each
other for four years and we were about to have
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four kids, two more than I thought I would ever have.
She claimed she was on birth control at the time,
so we were not using protection anyways. After the twins
were born. I started seeing my doctor about a vasectomy,
and my expiance encouraged it. I wanted to get some
swimmers frozen before the operation because we could completely change
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our minds in five years. So I go in for
the visit and the doctor comes out to tell me
that my sperm count was low and they were mostly immobile,
but this problem might be temporary and I should try
to eat a healthier diet and stuff for a few
weeks and come back. When I came to the second
appointment and the same problem arose, the doc started doing
some investigating. But you know where this is going. So
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the doctor says that it's likely that I am infertile.
This turned out to not be completely true, as I
now have a child that I know is biologically mine,
but it still propelled the following events. I mentioned that
I had three biological children, and the doctor looked anxious
and started talking, but I was in shell shock and
did not really know what he was saying. I think
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I left the doctor's office before they were even done
with me. I did not even get in my car.
I just walked until it started to get dark, and
eventually called Aneuber to get home. My fiance was worried
and already asleep inside, and I just lied to her
and told her my car broke down, phone died, and
I was at the mechanic late and forgot to let
her know. I fell asleep and woke up the next
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day and immediately got on the computer to research similar
stories and started to give myself falseoe hope. The first
post I read was about how fertility assessments are not
true and I should one hundred percent get a test.
I thought for sure this would show the doctor was wrong,
but I got the test back and within a week
I knew the kids were not mine. The first person
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I told was my mom. I went to her house
and cried for the first time in my adult life.
She consoled me and then told me a story that
I was never meant to hear. Essentially, I am the
product of an affair myself, and that dad actually died
from an overdose on pain meds after he found out well,
I don't know why the duck. My mom thought this
would comfort me, but in reality, it just gave me
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an unhealthy view of women. For a while after the story,
in calming down, she insisted that I maan up and
honor my commitment to these kids, because I am the
only father those kids had ever known. Up to this point,
I had always been a pushover, and I really considered
her words to me for about twenty four hours before
I completely snapped. I called my fiance and told I
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had to stay the night at my mom's house because
of a family issue, and she offered to make us dinner,
which I declined. At this point, the twins are about
six months the boys are two point five years and
five years old. I won't lie and say that I
felt nothing for these kids, but it was hard to
look them in the face, and I knew I was
done being their father. I knew this would tear them
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up and damage them, but I couldn't stand to hear
them say data to me because every time it was
like a knife in my heart. I kept my cool
and did not expose anything, and my mom did not
say anything, I assume because she thought I was manning up.
I spoke to an attorney because I wanted to get
myself off the birth certificates of these children, and I
thought I could seamlessly slip out of this situation because
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we were not married. Unfortunately, after going through the paperwork
and financials. Since I had tangled much of our finances
and I took on a fatherly role, I would be
responsible for at least the boy's child support, and she
would get equity in the house and my side businesses. Basically,
the lawyer said that I would like be on the
hook for something like twenty five percent of my income
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for many years to come. I pretty much ghosted my
lawyers after paying them their initial fee because I did
not like the idea of stayed enforced cucking. The revenge
starts here. I started to make a plan to disappear
and leave them all with as little as possible. The
start of this was destroying all of my passive income
streams and getting myself fired. Getting myself fired was easy,
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but it got a bit cringe. Basically did some of
the stuff from office space, smashed an office printer in
the courtyard, didn't do anything while working from home except
send means to co workers. But I did not do
anything to clients because my boss was actually a friend
of mine. But my office mates had a good time
watching this. After this, I did not even try to
file for unemployment and began living off our savings. My
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ex fiance let me handle all the financials, despite both
of our names being on everything, so she did not
notice our accounts slowly draining of money and the financials
going to chaos because I left her check account filled
with a few thousand. Credit card debts skyrocketed because I
stopped paying our cards Aloel. I sat there for months
wondering if I should end it and follow in the
footsteps of my would be father, but ultimately decided against it.
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I got ancestry test kits for the kids in an
effort to find who their actual father was because I
was hoping to get them away from my ex, but
this resulted in even weirder findings. Essentially, the oldest child
was a cousin slash half brother to his siblings, and
so the prison guy's brother must have gotten her pregnant. Also,
I did not see any family members from the test
that I thought would be a good fit, so that
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was the end of that investigation. I also tried to
distance myself from my mom, as I had become disgusted
by what she did to my dad and her newfound
cheater allegiance with my ex. I formulated a plan to
get away far away from everything by just vanishing on
a hiking trip. I really hyped up this hiking trip
and claimed I would be in the insert location here
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for a week alone with my thoughts in them trails.
Before the trip, I took the then six year old
out for ice cream and cried for the second time
in my adult life. The six year old was obviously
distraught overseeing his dad cry and started trying to calm
me down. I guess I was crying that I had
to leave him, and I told him I was sorry
dozens of times, but I think he was just confused
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about the situation. I was more concerned about losing him
because I knew he was not my child and I
was able to form a bond. Anyways, I left that
afternoon and actually made my way to the lodge and
checked in. Now, the next part one will mostly skip
because I am not sure if it was legal or
illegal or whatever. But cut to six months later, and
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I have a new name and live in a new
city where I was able to restart my IT career
and was slowly working toward my old income status again.
I started stocking my ex on Facebook and other social media.
I won't lie. It was cathartic to say the least.
The chaos of them trying to get into accounts must
have been hell, and she figured out that our comfortable
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finances were not so comfortable after all. Begging for money
on Facebook is so trashy. Once again, I won't mention
the legal stuff, but a lot of people at looking
for me, and I've considered phoning the police to let
them know that I was okay, but decided against it.
Eventually had to pay a hefty fine for this, but
it was well worth it. I worked on myself for
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a long time and got into great shape, lost my religion,
and descended into a hedonistic lifestyle. I became unrecognizable. I
continued stocking this woman for about a year when I
heard she was dating a new guy and got pregnant
almost immediately. Of course, my mom was still in her life,
taking care of my supposed children while she was doing
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god knows what. Then, on the one year anniversary of
me leaving, she posted a memorial page for me. This
made me decide that my revenge was not quite done,
and I decided to call up my brother and let
him know I was alive. My brother and I had
drifted over the past ten years, but he was blood
and was always there when I was younger. I told
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him why I did what I did, and we caught up,
and I asked him not to tell anyone yet, and
he agreed. But then he told me about my mom
and my ex fiancee suing my insurance company to honor
my life insurance. Somehow she had managed to keep up
this policy going despite its hefty cost. The payout would
be substantial seven figures, and she would be awarded the
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premiums that she had paid since my alleged death if
she won. Well, I am not the kind of uncivilized
person that would defraud an insurance company, so I started
my plans. I drove the one thousand mile journey to
my old city when I heard she had an upcoming hearing,
and listened to Highway to Hell half the way down.
I went to the court early and sat down. Now
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at this time I had grown a beard, lost sixty pounds,
and generally looked good. I looked so different that my
fiance and mother passed right by me in the court
without giving me a second look. I thought they would
be meeting in a big court room, and I was
already planning to barge in and yell something about objecting
and being a cringe lord like usual, but they ended
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up going to a small room with some lawyers from
the insurance company. I decided frickett and knocked on the
door several times until they opened it. They were all
confused to see the scraggly dressed man with a beard,
and I simply said, I believe you are trying to
settle the issue of whether I am dead. My expience
realized it was me almost immediately and let out a
gasp or something, but the lawyers were just confused. Everyone
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ended up stepping outside the room and a whirlwind erupted
and the bailiffs were called over. My ex screamed and
slapped me, and they had to actually put handcuffs on her.
This was a big deal for the insurance company, I guess,
and the lawyer's boss slash client actually showed up and
asked for statements and everything. Even a detective showed up,
and I started to regret coming, but I gave my
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statement and did not really lie about anything, but I
was vague about where I was currently lift I ended
up staying in town for almost a month, and it
was a crazy month in a cheap motel. I showed
evidence of my exes cheating to anyone who cared, and
I tried to meet with the kids, but the youngest
did not know me, and the then seven year old
told me to duck myself, which is fair, I guess.
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The police were pissed off and started civil litigation for
the costs of searching for me. A detective or so
something actually flew in from another state to question me. Luckily,
this whole time I did not get arrested for anything,
as I did not want my finger prints being linked
to my new name and such. Essentially, I had to
pay a large fine and immediately paid the fine in cash,
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to the surprise of the police. As far as I
was concerned, I was done with this town. My ex
fiance served me a civil lawsuit for multiple different things,
and my mom helped, but I was a leaf in
the wind long before anything came of it. I am
back in my new city and never planned to go back.
I stopped spying on them after a few months of
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ruining her insurance plans and moved on with my life.
This happened some years ago, and I am much better
off now, but I am tired now and need to
go to sleep. If there is interest, I will let
you know what happened with me after all this update.
Hello everyone, thank you for taking interest in my life.
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I only want to do one update and lay it
all out. Mostly, I just wanted to let people know
where I went with my life because a lot of
people seem interested. I might answer a few questions in
the comments if someone has a burning question. I am
not going to say anything about how to disappear because
we can't discuss potential crimes on this board. But look
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up the case of how Jack Barski, a former KGB spy,
entered the US and obtained credentials. Literally millions of undocumented
immigrants do this to be able to work for companies
in the US as well. Uncle Sam just wants those
taxes paid. I'm not sure about the details of the
insurance investigation and how they were looking for me, but
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I know I never got so much as a phone
call from them before I met them in person. I
have no intention to try to seek revenge anymore, because
I believe violent delights have violent ends. Now, as far
as I am concerned, my ex fiance's life is hard
enough and anything else I did would just hurt the kids.
After everything blew up with my ex, I left the
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town and did not reach out to my brother anymore
and even stopped checking up on the situation with my ex.
Having no family and friends and starting over in the
world is lonely and terrifying, but equally exciting and hopeful.
So how did I reset my life upon reaching a
new city. Well, I had a lot of money in
cash that I used to stay in a motel for
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a few months while I got all my documents in
order and looked for work. Because I thought that my
home computer would be searched when I went missing, I
could not really planned much of this stuff beforehand. I
realized that without a college degree linked to your name,
it was difficult to find a job with my skill set,
so I decided to just make my own company and
post advertisements about setting up custom dispatch software, editing videos
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and presentations, among other tasks. I only received a few
different jobs doing this, and it did not even pay
my living expenses. After I did a few jobs for
the same company, I made friends with a project manager
and got hired at a reasonable salary. To this day,
my finances are only about seventy percent of what I
was making before, but I am happy with what I have.
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I spend a lot of time finding people with similar
stories on the Internet and eventually got involved with the
Men Going their Own Way MGTOW group. We basically just
talked crap about women all the time, and the positive
feedback loop made me a pretty resentful, slash misogynistic person.
I went so far as making fake accounts to offend
women online, so I don't want to go into any
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more details because I am a bit embarrassed and remorseful now.
I got on Tinder and started hooking up with women
to make up for lost time. Throwing money around and
lying to them became a way of life for me,
and I would cheat on basically every woman I got
with because I thought they were all doing it too.
I got caught, and I would pretend like I didn't
understand why they were mad with me until they left
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or tried to forgive me, just for me to do
it again. Not proud of this either. A couple of
years ago, one of the women that I was sleeping
with regularly got pregnant and came to me all excited
with the news. Now I immediately accused her of cheating
and threw her out of my apartment, and there was
just a look of shock on her face. Remember, I
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thought I was infertile, so in my mind I just
put another T h O T in her place. I
continued to mock her for a bit and even messaged
my MGT o W buddies about what I did. I
openly confessed to cheating on her and showed her proof.
I agreed to a paternity test while she was still pregnant,
just because I didn't want her to get the courts involved,
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and I was shocked with the result. I cried and
tried to hug her, and she screamed through some papers
at me and told she never wanted to see me again.
I went home and drank, happy that I was going
to be a dad for real this time, but sad
who I had become like. I said, I don't want
you to wrote for me because I am not a
good person. For the remainder of the pregnancy, she would
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not even speak to me long enough for me to
explain my actions, but I totally understood why. When the
baby was born a girl, I showed up to the
hospital to sign the birth certificate, and at the same
time met with her lawyer, which turned out to be
her sister, to go over child support stuff that we
had already spoke about. I went for a hail Mary
and offered to sign any paper they wanted if she
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would just have coffee with me for thirty minutes to
explain things. She wanted full custody and generous payments. I
never got a lawyer because I just wanted to make amends,
and I thought a lawyer would throw up obstacles to
try to protect me or my finances. I met with
her for coffee, and to my surprise, she let me
speak uninterrupted for almost twenty minutes. I did not completely
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tell her the truth of my past, but she understood
why I wanted a paternity test, but did not excuse
my behavior in mocking her, throwing her out, and cheating.
I signed the papers, but begged her to let me
see my daughter and be part of her life. She
said that I was unstable and that I needed intensive
therapy before that would ever happen. Of course, I obliged
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to the therapy. I learned a lot in therapy and
did a lot of research about the fallout of cheating
and what not. Turns out there are a lot of
women who had been hurt by cheaters and home wreckers too, duah,
and that my view of women was toxic to say
the least. I cut it off with my mgtow buddies
because I thought that atmosphere would be a detriment to
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my progress. I don't want to attack that group because
I think there are some good people in that group
that are just broken and looking for answers. I think
having a baby girl was a real punch in the
gut to stop treating women so poorly. I was finally
able to see my daughter when she was seven months
old and began super visits every other weekend. I had
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dutifully paid the child support and made every attempt to
talk to her mother and try to make amends. One
night after our daughter, we got drunk and started kissing,
which turned into closeness. When we woke up the next morning,
she was embarrassed and just asked me to leave, but
she made it seem like she kind of wanted to
make things work. It took a long time, but we
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moved in together after she lost her job to COVID
nineteen and are currently living together. Her family hates me,
and this has held us back from marriage talk or anything.
Hell I skipped our daughter's second birthday celebration because her
lawyer sister didn't want to see me. I hope this
turns out well for me, and I know I already
have better than I deserve. For now, the pandemic has
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me working from home, and my girl takes care of
our daughter and makes me food and such. She is
still suspicious of me and comes into my office to
see what I am doing regularly, but I don't mind.
For now. I'm just going to try to be there
for my daughter and try to make it up to
her mom. I'm still trying to think of things I
can do or say, but for now I am still
(28:07):
in zoom therapy and just doing my best. I don't
think I can ever really tell anyone everything, which is
why I decided to tell the strangers of Reddit. I
am sorry for those people that thought I was a
hero in my initial post. Please don't let your hatred
boil inside you, friends, I almost missed out on something great,
and I may still miss out if I am not careful.
(28:29):
This is going to be the only update unless I
come back years from now to tell you all what happened.
Best of luck to everyone,