S5 E26 A Fungus Among Us - The Leongatha Mushroom Murders - True Crime and Wine Time

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
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It's like it hasn't even been that long.

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No, it's been like just a couple of hours.

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Right. We're having all the night shows this week, which
I kind.

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Of like, I said, say, I'm not complaining because I
kind of like it.

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I like it because my lighting is much better night
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I I mean, I like during the day because I
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Speaker 2 (00:57):
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Speaker 1 (01:06):
I know Jed, Hello everyone else, and welcome to another
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of the darkest crimes.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'm especially excited to say this, but good day, mates,
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Speaker 1 (02:26):
Then I say, yes, see the insanity. Come on over
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Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, we're certifiable, my therapist says, So anyway, so it's legit.
I'm just kidding, Terry. Why don't you tell us what
we're covering tonight so that way, my good day mate
makes sense.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
So today, guys, our guest, tonight, we will be going
down under, okay, and we're going to talk about a
pretty recent case, the Gothi lee Ing Gotha Mushroom Murders
of twenty twenty three, when Aaron Patterson invited her in
laws over for lunch. They thought it was an olive branch.

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Within three days, three had died and the fourth was
fighting for his life after ingesting death cap mushrooms.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yankes. Yeah me.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Before we get into what we're drinking, I will say
that Terry has taken a wonder microdose mushroom. So if
I drop dead or do anything crazy, it's because of that.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
None of those things are going to happen. Let's not
manifest that into the universe. Terry, What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
What are you drinking?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
What am I drinking? Well, I am finishing my bottle
use of the road mescatto. God. I was drinking last
night for our merch In membership launch party, which was
so much much fun. I only had a glass of
it left, and then I figured I got my War
Stars Coca Cola for afterwards, just for you, Terry.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
So okay, I have to say when a monkey Butt
was here, I actually purchased a War Stars can for her.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Oh wow, look at you. I love that.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
And then now that you mentioned War Stars, I have
to admit Facebook gives you memories. Twelve years ago, apparently
I posted I must have been drinking because the spelling
was awful. I was watching the very First War Stars
with Double H and one of the boys, and I

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posted on social media that really wasn't that bad?

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (04:55):
After a bottle and a half?

Speaker 2 (04:57):
I mean, hey, whatever it takes. Whatever, what are you drinking?

Speaker 1 (05:03):
I am drinking my go to Saint super E's Savin
Young Bloc. And I've decided everybody watching this needs to
email Saint Supri and snip this and send it to
them and tell them they really need to sponsor us.
Oh we too, Yes, the show they need with a

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show because I drink way too much of it. And
if they want to get with us to do a
live show there, I am doing.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
That so too.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
I know Marilyn's not there anymore. But come.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
All right, you guys, And with that, let's get into
what is the crazy story of Aaron Patterson and the
Leon Gotha mushroom murders? Shall we? Because but you know,
before we do, we don't do a lot of like
recent recent cases, and just for the viewers that if
you don't know, we will probably talk about it later,

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but I'll just go ahead and mention it now. Aaron's
trial just happened a couple months ago, like the same
time Karen Reid started, and she all of this just
went down court wise June July, I think, was the verdict.
So this is real recent and it's it's it's wild.

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So why don't you kick us off.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Terry, I will sadly my computer. Nos, I'm on the
podcast and my soundboard just popped up. Anyway, I'm keeping it.
I shut it down. I didn't use that, so.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
No, not today.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Hey, there are times that it could be used. Okay.
So Aaron Trudy Scudder was born September thirtieth, nineteen seventy four.
She grew up in Glenn Waverley, which is a middle
class suburb of Melbourne. Okay, not Melbourne, it's Melbourne people.
So when asked about her childhood, she said, when I

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was a kid, mom would weigh us every week to
make sure we weren't putting on too much weight, and
so I went to the extreme of barely eating. And
all I can say is, what the f That is awful?

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, I know that. That was not what I was
laughing at you listeners. Sorry, No, that is absolutely awful.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Don't do that to your kids. Do not do that
to anybody.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Well, also learned somewhere about Aaron.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, we will.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
I don't know if it happened. It's awful, it's all
it's saying. And that does happen to the young girls
and women all of the time. So it's not too
like outlandish and it's it's not it's always horrible.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
So Aaron said that when that was when her crippling
issues with self esteem began to Onlooking onlookers, her upbringing
looked ideal. The Scudders had a beautiful home, they trained
guide dogs, love that her father, Hugh, was a successful businessman,
and her mother, Heather, was a lecturer at Melbourne's monash

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Manosh University, specializing in children's literature. Now some text messages
have been published that show what Aaron told others about
her parents. Okay, she referred to her mom as a
cold robot okay, who would yell at her doormat father.

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She said it was like being in a Russian orphanage
where they don't touch the babies. Neighbors had nothing but
kind words to say about Aaron's parents. For what it's worth,
I made.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, oh jeez, that's a great. Well, So a neighbor
recalled that everyone knew Aaron was smart. She was singled
out as bright from a very young age. But Erin
didn't seem to know what to pursue in school, So
in nineteen ninety two, she was accepted to a science

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program at the University of Melbourne, the same field that
her sister kin Win was studying at Minash. By the way,
I love the name Kinwin. I didn't even know that
name existed, and I'm a fan. I love it right.
That's fun. Can win, can Win, That's a fun name.
Erin eventually switched to studying accounting before training to be

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an air traffic controller, passing the test and finishing the
program in two thousand and one.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Okay, guys, that is a crazy path. How do you
go from science to accounting? Then air traffic controller? The
only thing that came to mind. It sounds like all
of those you have to be smart and like maths,
so none of them are for me.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Not for us, not for us. Now, there were only
fourteen people on her team at Air Services, and most
of them bonded quickly in what was called a friendly
and supportive atmosphere. But colleagues, colleagues, remembered Aaron always turning
down their invitations, sometimes quiet, sometimes abrasive, and always clever.

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Some started calling her a crazy erin or scutter the
nutter behind her back. One was later quoted as saying
she was a ritual, habitual, and pathological liar. She would
she would just say anything just to get away with anything. Yikes,

(10:53):
that is not a good reputation have at all. And
Scutter the.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Nutter Yeah, I mean those are some strong nicknames.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Right you are yikes?

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah. Now, less than three years into her career, she
changed pathts again. Okay, no judgment there. You know, working
in animal management for the RSPCA, and you know that
sounds a lot less stressful to me because air traffic controller.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
No to much pressure.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah no. Now, her office was in the Manash City
Council building and it was there that she met a
council engineer named Simon Patterson. Now, Simon said he was
attracted to her intelligence and humor, and after getting to
know each other over coworker lunches and happy hours, the

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two begin to date. Okay, Now Aaron wasn't only catching
feelings though, Okay. Around that time, she called her first
charges after drunk driving into another car, fleeing the scene
and speeding and having an unregistered car and having a

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blood alcohol level of point one four which is over
twice the legal limit. Yike, But for some reason this
only costs her one thousand dollars in fines. So I
woant have known? Did she get a price break for
breaking so many laws at once?

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Right?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Her? She usual just like a little pokemon, like gotta
collect them all, Like that is a lot of charges.
That's a one time.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
That was a lot.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
She's a mess. Okay, she is a mess now. So
Aaron and Simon got married in two thousand and seven.
Simon's cousin walked Aaron down the aisle as Aaron said,
her parents were on vacation in Russia. It seems like
she was estranged from her family to some extent, but

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not so much that she was disinherited. This same year
of the wedding, Aaron began to receive payments from the
estate of her paternal grandmother Aura, and she got a
sum of two million dollars split into eight years of payments.
Like hello, if I have excuse me, I need a minute,

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If I have any long lost millionaire relatives out there.
Please please please put me on the list of your beneficiaries. Please,
and thank you.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I would appreciate that, and SAE for me. Whatever Lama
just said to any of my relatives, you don't even
have to like me. Yeah, don't even have to like me. So,
my brother, you know you can put me on yours
even though you don't like me.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I also just saw that picture of Simon and like,
I love it. That's a real smile. That's a real smile,
right that is you know whatever made him smile like that,
he actually really really meant it, So I hope it
was good now, So naturally, Simon and Aaron quit their

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council jobs and traveled to Western Australia, hopping from town
to town over the years. In early two thousand and nine,
and Perth, they had their first child, a son. Simon's parents,
Don and Gail Patterson flew out to help their new parents.
Aaron said it created a strong bond between her and

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her in laws. There's Gail in Don.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
I mean, look at that smile on Gail's face too.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, look at that. A bunch of happy people.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Well, Aaron isn't quite as happy as they do.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
No. Now, when Don and Gail flew home. The Pattersons
and their new baby went on a road trip to
Northern Australia. In November, Aaron had had enough and flew
back to Perth, leaving Simon and the baby to drive
home without her. She rented a cabin for herself and

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the baby, and Simon rented an RV to live in nearby.
They reunited within a few months, though, But.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
What that is all strange to me? Why would a
new mother leave their baby with the dad. I mean,
I'm not saying men can't take care of their babies,
but as a mom, I did not want to be
without my newborn right yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Now. Aaron then opened a second hand bookstore in Pemberton.
In twenty eleven, Aaron's father passed away, though from cancer. Now.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
When Aaron became pregnant with her second child in twenty thirteen,
the family moved to be closer to Donna Gale, who
lived in guys bless Me, cor Umburah in the state
of Victoria I don't know, about an hour and a
half southeast of Melbourne. Now. They bought a home and

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Lee and Gotta had a daughter, and Aaron settled into
life as a stay at home mom in the rural
Gipsland region. These words are hard tonight. Now. She had
been an atheist, but after going to church with Simon's family,
she began to attend church and Bible study with Simon

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and her in laws. Guys, that is shocking to me.
You do not often hear of atheist changing. Does that
make sense or I've never heard it to be common.
I mean I've heard of it more the other way.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
So you go to do things just to blend in
a piece. That's true.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
So now, Simon's uncle, Ian Wilkinson, was the pastor at
the church, so informed a relationship with him and his wife, Heather,
which was Gail's sister. Now, they weren't super close, but
they often chatted at church. I got together and did
the little you know, chatty chat. Now Aaron applied to

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study nursing, okay, but she never started the course. She
instead edited a local newsletter for a bit. But sadly,
it seems like she never really found a new path
other than being a mom. Yeah, and there's no shame
in being a mom.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
No, no, no. Now, over the years, Aaron and Simon
established a pattern of separating and then getting back together.
In twenty fifteen, they formally split, making a financial agreement
and sharing custody of their children. They remained friendly and
even went on vacations together as a group, as I

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think most people should do if it's possible.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
I six say, if it is possible, you should.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
It should be your goal. But anyway, now, I can
only imagine that she was feeling restless after years of
moving frequently working in whatever field she fancied that week.
She was now unemployed and living in a pretty remote area.
So she did what any reasonable woman would do. She

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got into discussing true crime online. That's right, sound familiar
to anybody? Oh no, that's right, bitches. She was just
like us. This crazy be made friends just like us.
Airy found friends and a Facebook group dedicated to the
conviction of Kelly Lane, a talented water polo player and

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convicted baby murderer. Now, as it sometimes happened, the online
group became friends despite living far away, being different ages
and from different walks of life, and as their bond grew,
they talked more. They talked about more than true crime,
instead venting to each other about their lives. This doesn't

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seem like familiar to me.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Like, okay, Mike, PSA guys, PSA lovelies, besties. Please do
not worry. Lama and I are perfectly normal, even though
we love true crime and we make friends online. Okay, right,
we are not her kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
No, no, we turn your honest in a heartbeat, that's right,
and then stream your trial. Just let you know we would.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Show up for that trial.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Now. In twenty nineteen, Aaron's mother passed away, leaving Aaron
and her sister to split their parents' estate. Despite their separation,
the Pattersons became the only family that Aaron knew, but
by twenty twenty one one, Aaron's relationship with Simon and
her in laws became more strained. I'm sorry, guys, those

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are the sweetest looking little old people. Okay, right, they
are just so cute. I'd never had a grandpa because
my grandparents, you know, grandfather's. I'm like, he could have
been a perfectly great little grandpa. Anyway. Over the next
few years, she missed several family events or would only

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stop by briefly. Simon had a few bounts of illness
over the years, and at one point had to move
into her house to be nursed by her. They said
this drove them even further apart because she resented his
inability to help the family. Girl seriously, two things in

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particular sent Aaron over the edge in regards to the
Patterson family. In November of twenty twenty too, Simon's accountant
filed his tax return and marks his status as separated.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
The horror, I.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Mean, the horror. And it was true they had been
separated for years, guys, but that filing, Aaron would no
longer receive the fifteen thousand dollars family tax benefit she'd
be getting annually.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Oh money, money, money, yeah. Now.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Simon offered to try to revise his taxes to fix
the issue, but Aaron told him that she would just
have to file for child support instead, and as everybody knows,
guess what happened after that. Simon said that the nature
of their communication changed. Their chatty texts became purely functional,

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and sometimes she didn't even reply to him at all,
I mean now. The other big issue was Gil's seventieth
birthday party in May of twenty twenty three. Aaron was
not invited and was incredibly hurt. After mentioning it to Simon,
he spoke to Don about it. Don was mortified and

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said he had truly intended to invite Aaron, and that
both he and Gail had thought the other was inviting her.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Now, it probably didn't help that Gail had been recovering
from about of.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Encephalitis, which is a brain infection. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Now, the only thing I can say as a party
person is if you send out invitations like formal paper
Wounds or Evi's, you could track you send them to.
You don't have to rely on memory.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Just I mean, I feel like Aaron is just making
mountains out of mole hills.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
They agree to. But I could see why she would
be hurt, you know, since they.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Was just hanging out with them anyway.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
But she's so hurt because it wasn't her decision. I
didn't say she was right to be her.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
That's her problem. That is her problem, and she has
a problem with that. So, speaking of mid July in
twenty twenty three, Aaron Patterson went to church and personally
invited Don, Gail, Simon, and Heather over for lunch. Later
in the month, Ian was preaching, so Heather told him

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after church. The Wilkesons were very happy to be invited.
They'd known Aarin for years but had never really gotten close,
and we're hoping to. Don and Gail Patterson also hoped
that this was a step in a better direction for
their relationship after the recent party drama and some harsh
group chat messages. Simon, however, was not excited about the invitation,

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and he told Aaron he wasn't sure if he could
make it, and she told him she had a health
concern to discuss and that he needed to be there.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Okay, I mean, I have so many thoughts now this
next part. I was impressed with it first, Okay. Aaron
turned to her online friends for advice and her lunch planning.
She decided to make beef Wellington okay, which is a

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baked steak dish made out of beef and a mushroom
paste wrapped in a pastry. Guys, I've had it in
London and it was freaking amazing.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Now, I have never had it, and I've always wanted
to try.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
I had never had it until me ANDBH went a
couple of years ago to London, and I am too
scared to try to make it.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
But I only know that Gordon Ramsey yells at people
and makes them make it on Hell's kitchen like every
year that in scallops he gets a very worked up
over scalps and be Wellington.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Now her online friends would be like us. They gave
her a few tips and they joked about the price
of beef. Girl, the price of beef is even worse now.
But she ended up buying smaller cuts and making individual
Wellington's instead of a large one. What that's a lot
of work. Yeah, I mean, I mean that is a

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lot of work that looks so good.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Well. On the evening before the lunch, Simon texted Aaron
that he had decided not to attend the luncheon and
that she was welcome to call him if she wanted
to talk about it. She texted back that she was
disappointed and hope he would change his mind. Is that
it was important to her that their family be there.

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She said, I may not be able to host a
lunch like this again for some time.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Poor pet.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
For me, how dramatic.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
That was a little dramatic. Now on Saturday, July twenty ninth,
twenty twenty three, and I'm going to just tell you
I hate that she did this during my birthday month
because it just ruins July for some people. But Aaron
sent her two teenage children to the movies and greeted
her four guests. Now, Heather brought food fruit, Gail brought

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an orange cake, which I have no idea what an
orange cake is, just so y'all know. I mean, is
it the color orange? Does it taste orange? Anyway? Heather
and Gale tried to help serve lunch, but Aaron insisted
they make themselves comfortable, as a good hostess does. She

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served them beef Wellington alongside green beans and mashed potatoes,
all on gray plates. Okay, Then she brought out her
own serving on an orange plate. Hm.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Hm okay, Now, dar tell me that this was a
court diagram. It was, wasn't it? Or did you make it?
Did you make it? Cappen does a lot of our
visuals for our shows, and she gets very creative.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Capin, do not tell me to have patience because it
is one thing that my therapist and I are working on. Okay,
I'm working on it, but thank you for that gentle reminder. Now,
they enjoyed their food, joking about how much they ate,
but soon the conversation turned to Aaron's news. She told

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them she had been diagnosed with ovarian cancer and asked
for advice on whether or not to tell her children.
They prayed for her, and Aaron's son and a friend
came home unexpectedly, chatting with the guest before retreating to
play video games. Spite the tragic news, the guests left

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in good spirits. This is triggering for me, but I'll
share it later.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Why yeah, wait, thank you on top X for this? Oh,
thank you good?

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Okay, on top X, I have to tell you. Double
H heard me say something about on top and he goes,
what are you talking about getting on top of? What
are you and mama doing? Are you all trying to
get on top of a YouTube channel? I was like,
I just do not ask questions. I was just talking
about one of our people. Okay. Now they hardly touched dessert,

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and most of Gail's cake was left.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
With erin oh bit got to keep the cake.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Aaron proceeded to eat the entire cake by herself before
throwing it up. She later would say that that cake
saved her life.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
There you go, Terry, there's an orange cake.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
But does it taste orange?

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yes, that's why it's orange.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Okay, why would you want to eat a ca. Okay, no,
I don't go ahead.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
I just learned this year there was pineapple pie.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
So pineapple pie.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, apparently that's the thing. I never even knew that.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I never knew that either. Now there's a pineapple upside
down cake. But there's ruple pie.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yes, okay, yes, now. Simon's parents called him the next
morning to tell him they were going to call an ambulance.
They had both become sick overnight and were weak with
gas row and nitis like symptoms. Simon met them at
the core umber of the hospital, where they shared a room,

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which is really nice. I think it's really sweet that
they got to share a room together. Right, pineapple pie
islam as nicknames? Stop it actually right now, it's fish biscuit.
But that's neither here nor there anyway. Dawn seemed to

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be doing much worse than Gail. His face was discolored
and he was distorted in pain. Despite their extreme discomfort,
his parents told him about Aaron's cancer diagnosis and their
concern for her. Now. After seeing how ill his parents were,

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Simon called Ian and Heather, but they didn't answer the phone.
He drove to their home and later said that when
Ian answered the door. He looked gray. He was invited
in to find Heather lying on the couch with vomit
on the floor next to her, and despite their resistance,
he told them that he was taking them to the hospital.

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On the way there, though Heather mentioned how Aaron had
eaten from a different colored plate, they were turned away
by the Kurr Hospital, who said they were at capacity
and sent them to the leon Gotha Hospital. I don't
know how far apart these are, but I mean normally here,

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I don't know how I was in Australia, but like
they would put them in an ambulance to the next hospital,
not be like, hey, you got to drive these people
to the next one, right is that.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
If you are not bleeding in obviously gunshots, stabbing, heart
attack symptoms. No, we would just tell you to drive
down the street.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Oh, that's weird. They've offered to do that for me before.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, well, if you want to pay a six thousand
dollars bill you can.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
That's true. That's true. On the way, Heather again brought
up the matter of Aaron's plates, asking if Aaron was
short of crookery, which yuess crockery is a word for plates,
it dishes.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
It's redisious.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
I didn't know that. I like that.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
What I find fuddy about this? Doubleh n. I just
recently got new crockery. Every plate's a different color. He
ordered it because I had picked one color. He goes, No,
he goes, I decided, why do we want to be boring?

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Okay, so it's only seven minutes away. Okay, because earlier
it said that they were like in a rural area.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
So seventeen minutes is still quite a drive.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I mean yeah, but but okay.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Now, Heathern and Ian were treated by doctor Chris Webster
and Lia and Gotha. They told him about their luncheon
and he took blood samples and hooked them up to
floods when he left for the evening. He thought the
beef was to blame for the oldness fair Aaron complained
of diarrhea and stomach that day, but she wasn't so

(33:01):
sick that she couldn't take her son on a two
hour round trip drive to flying Lessons.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah. Now, I know when I have diarrhea, that's definitely
what I want to do.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, I mean yeah. Now, she served her children beef
Wellington leftovers for dinner that night, scraping off the pastry
and mushroom paste since they didn't care for them. I mean,
Shenanigan's what kid doesn't like pastry? Don't even tell him
there's a mushroom paste.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Okay, No, that was still I want so bad now.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Doctor Chris Webster received a call around six thirty am
the next morning that Ian and Heather had not improved,
but had in fact worsened. After arriving at the hospital,
he got a call from doctor Beth Morgan of the
Dandy Nung Hospital. Donnie Gail had been transferred there because
it was a larger hospital closer to Melbourne. Okay, now,

(34:06):
doctor Morgan let him know that don Gale had grossly
abnormal liver function tests and that they wondered if they
were suffering from death cap mushroom poisoning.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I just want to say this about Australia is that
I appreciate their names of places. I mean, don Dinong
is fantastic to say. I mean, it's very I just
I just admire that about them.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
I love the Aussies.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I know, there's so much fun. I love it. Okay,
now it's science break time. Oh my goodness, did.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
We not look at these before. My neck isn't even
close to that.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
I love it. I love it though I know things
all right. So, death cap mushrooms or Amanita philoy D's right,
are the deadliest mushroom in the world. Ninety of fatal
mushroom poisonings globally are attributed to death cap mushrooms. Look,

(35:22):
they don't look, they don't look scary. Are Are they
are the one?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yes? They are the ones that grow on the roots
of trees, almost always oak trees, and have a symbiotic
relationship with those tree roots. Okay, sexy as it sounds.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
I just picked a couple of those after the last
rain thing because the baby goats were trying to eat
them and they were on our big oak tree.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
What did you do with them, Terry?

Speaker 1 (35:54):
I throw them in the trash can?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (35:56):
And now that I know they're death cap mushrooms? Is
so GROLs still around? Can I sell them there?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Now?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Anyway, we're not.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Are they? I need to now I got to make
a note I remember when I'm sober. Are they deadly
to pets and goa?

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Probably? I don't know Goatskenita anything you know it's a
little bust. Okay, Now we are not really a science podcast,
so I'm going to quote a science journal called Particle
here and they have to say the main toxin in
death caps is called alpha amminitin, which affects the liver
and kidneys. It can take up to a day for

(36:38):
the symptoms you get cramps, diarrhea, and vomiting of death
cap poisoning to appear. Those symptoms pass after a while,
which can be misinterpreted as a sign of recovery. Oh
that's so great.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Great, So you get sick, you get better, right, and
then it comes back to get you.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Okay, Yeah, that's so much fun. I love that. But
if untreated, the toxin goes on to cause total liver
and kidney failure, which kills ten to thirty percent of
people who ingest death caps. Those are not good odds,
not good odds. Now. Months before the luncheon, the State
of Victoria's Health Department had issued a warning against foraging

(37:22):
for mushrooms, saying anyone who collects and consumes wild mushrooms
of unknown species is putting themselves at risk of potential
poisoning and serious illness to people just not know that
mushrooms are just like, don't fuck with mushrooms.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
No, but I have to tell you. Going mushroom hunting,
foraging for them in Finland and the mossy areas, I
had so much fun. And the Chantilly mushrooms are really
really good.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
I mean maybe if you know what you're doing and look,
but I trust that they know what you know. How
many people died throughout just so we know which mushrooms
we can eat. They're just eating them all at the place.
Somebody's dying, somebody's pooping, somebody's tripping balls. They do. Also,
I did not know.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Until this that you could die from mushrooms. I just
was always told do not get the mushrooms out of
the cow patties. No one ever told me you could
die from mushrooms that you find. Really no, I did
not know that. And we started. One of you brought
up this case. I want to say it was Capin,
maybe it was you. I was like, mushrooms don't kill you,

(38:33):
and then I was like, oh wait, somebody in Australia
just killed somebody with those. I really thought it was
the ones that came from the cow patties and they
owe deed until we started doing all of this.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
There are a lot of not good mushrooms out there.
Do not they can't find mushrooms outside, do not ingest them? Don't? Okay,
some do kill you, Terry. Now, this is just the
deadliest s mushroom. That's not the only deadly mushroom. There
are lots of other not goodly mushrooms.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Well, good news. When I'm in Finland in a couple
of weeks, we do not have time to go foraging
for mushrooms the strip.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
So yes, Amos, Terry, we're gonna need you to get
that for the side of the soundboard. Did you see that?
Amos says, I feel like the more you know sound
for when Terry's learned something new on the show. I say, yes, yes,
I can guess why I can do that.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Now we're gonna okay, we're going to go back to
Lean Gotha Hospital now. Doctor Webster immediately changed the treatment
for Anne and Heather, trying to save their lives and
arrange for them to be transferred to the Dandenong Hospital
to receive specialist care alongside Doningale. As he was making

(39:54):
the arrangements from the front desk, a woman walked up
to the plexiglass in front of him, complaining of gastre
tonight as it was Aaron Patterson.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
On a second, is this a doctor with a mullet.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
I don't think he has a mullet. I think there
there there. Maybe it's a mullet his Harry.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Shore, everywhere else, et cetera right here.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Now.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Doctor Webster told her that he feared she and her
guests all had life threatening poisoning and that she needed
immediate treatment, pausing to ask her where she had found
the mushrooms. She replied, Woolworths, which is an Australian grocery store. Okay,
Woolworths in America was never a grocery store. Did anybody

(40:52):
have woolworst growing up?

Speaker 2 (40:55):
No? Okay, they were like a turtle girdle and yok
they were.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
They just had knickknacks and like fabrics and stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
So turtles girdles and yo yos?

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Is why tg and why was the woolworth where I
lived growing up and we used to call it? Okay,
turtle show yos? Okay, I'm going to just move.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
On shopping list. Turtles girdles and yoa.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
That's what we called it. Ryl If any of my
friends are on here, please help me, okay, just please
help me.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Oh my goodness, I love it. Well, okay, anyway, so
he left her to be seen by a nurse and
soon was told that she had refused care and left
the hospital against medical advice. She had told the attending
nurse that she needed to make arrangements for her children
and animals, despite their telling her it was unsafe for

(41:58):
her to drive. I mean, I don't know how this
is what you're like, Yes, this is exactly what I
need to do right now while everyone I was having
lunch with is in a hospital and potentially dying. But
I gotta some stuff to take care of now. Heather
and Ian were taken away in ambulances, and doctor Webster

(42:19):
called Aaron three times, leading voicemails with increasing urgency. He
finally decided to call the police. This would be the
first time the case was brought to the police. And
you guys, here's a clip of that phone call. Hello,
I want addressing at the police.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
So this is doctor Chris Webster calling from Lean and
Gath Hospital and I have a concern regarding a patient
that presented here earlier, but has left the building and
is potentially exposed to a fatal toxin from mushroom poison.
Uh and I've tried several times to get hold of

(43:03):
her on her mobile phone before I get Alady for
my address.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
You need the place to attend doctor Christy.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
So we'll should I give the hospital a dressle the
address of the patient.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Right, Oh my goodness, ived it is nine one one. Okay,
wait a minute, it is zero zero zero, so it
is tripleue is what?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Trip blue? Now? Doctor Webster ask the police to go
to Aaron's home. See Rachel, I agree with you. No
sane white no sane woman. Where we're white pants? So sorry,
I just got a text that monkey Butt won her
volleyball game again.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yay monkey Butt cheers.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
I'm gonna have to skip the show one Thursday and
go watcher.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
So doctor Webster, being a great doctor, asked the Leaves
to go to Aaron's home and explain to them that
all of her guests were severely ill but she seemed fine. Now.
Before the police could reach it Aaron's home, she returned
to the hospital. Aarin was seen by doctor Veronica Foot,

(44:17):
who found her abdomen to be soft, and our heart
rates slightly elevated. I mean, same girl, same now. Her
blood test did not suggest that anything was seriously wrong.
I'm going to just say, if you're going to pull
this kind of stunt, you need to eat a little
bit of the poison. Okay, just a little bit, just
a little bit right, this is a little bit now.

(44:39):
Docster Webster, having reviewed Aaron's file, asked her if her
children had eaten the beef Wellington, and she confirmed yes,
they had eaten the leftovers. The doctors insisted that she
teared her children in for care immediately, but guys, she
didn't want to scare them by taking them to the hospital.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Excuse me, ma'am. Everyone has clearly ingested the deadliest mushroom
and you're more worried about them being scared than possibly
dying your own children. Girl, Please come on, Oh she
is just.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
So suspicious, like flying to not put up red flag.
She's just hanging them out everywhere.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Oh my goodness. Anyway, now during this time, so I
have this hair, you know how you have those hairs
that and you're like, I don't even know where this
one strand of hair is coming from. Uh huh, it's nine.
It's the worst anyway, sorry guys. Now. During this time,
the police arrived at Aaron's home. Doctor Webster asked Aaron

(45:49):
if they could break in to retrieve Wellington leftovers, and
Aaron told him that they could find them in the
trash outside. How convenient and not letting them in your.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Why don't you put them down the garbage disposal.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Well The police brought them to the hospital, where doctor
Foot photographed the leftover pastry and mushrooms before having them
sent to be tested. Now, Aaron wanted to leave again,
but was talked into being treated with ivy fluids in antibiotics.
She was then transferred to the Monash Medical Center. Simon

(46:25):
picked up the children and brought them to the Monash
where they were observed overnight and showed no symptoms. So
that's good.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
That's good, I mean, thank god. This was when Simon
first had a chance to speak to Aaron in person.
He asked her if she if she had dehydrated the
mushrooms for the Wellingtons. See, all this talk of mushrooms
had reminded him of something she had told him previously,

(46:56):
that she had done experiments with the children and where
she dried and ground up mushrooms and cooked them into
muffins to see how much she could use. Before they noticed.
She told him no, she'd use store bop mushrooms. Now,
Aaron checked herself out of medical care again the following day.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
I just want to say, mushrooms in muffins like that
sounds like muffin blasphemy to me, Like what is happening?
Not okay? And also who the hell does that with
their children? Anyway? Who does that? Nobody does that? Erin
and is it verdict time yet? Because this I'm done.
That's okay, you'll see.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Be quiet. I didn't do mushrooms, but I did chop
up green beans and I would put green beans into
spaghetti and different things because my kids would eat green beans.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Well, no shit, because you put him in spaghetti.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Well, they didn't know they would eat. They would eat
the spaghetti not knowing they were in there. It was
when they saw them, They're like, I don't eat anything green.
Well they thought it was the parsley decoration on top.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I no, just no. As someone who is a very
picky eater, and you wonder why I have weird food phobias.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
No, I mean, maybe your mom did that stuff and
you that's why you have.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Those maybe maybe now Anyway, while his parents, aunt and
uncle were suffering in the hospital, Simon called a family
meeting in the hospital chapel because of course that's the
best place to do that. There he dropped a bomb
on his relatives. Remember Simon's bout of illness in previous years, Well,

(48:58):
he was pretty sh Aaron had been poisoning him. He
could not recall, or I'm sorry, he could recall for
specific occasions where he'd eaten food Aaron had prepared for
him that she did not share in and then became ill,
at one point, falling into a coma and requiring surgery

(49:22):
surgery after eating her chicken curry. What now? The doctors
had never figured out what was wrong with him, and
when he told one he thought he was being poisoned,
he was more or less told to be careful about
making accusations, and Simon apologized to his family members for

(49:43):
not warning everyone.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Okay, I mean people. We just need to listen to people. Okay,
we should believe them until we can prove they're crazy.
It might save some people.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
You know, how many and cases have you learned about
where they were. They've been poisoned for a long time,
over and over and over again. They go over the
emergency room and they get told go home, it's fine
over And that's what poisoners do. I don't just do
it one time. Yeah, it's never just one time. Oh

(50:21):
that annoys me and n okay, I'll be honest. It's
also probably because he was.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
On them Saturday. They're like, no, the good news for
you is I no longer do that because I do
not have kids in my house anymore. And both of
my grain kids eat green beans because they're told they're
special green beans.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
So see, all you had to do was say that
they were special, not but them in spaghetti.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
How does that to lie to them? Now? On August fourth,
twenty three, Gail Patterson and Heather Wilkinson both passed away. Now.
Gail's final text message was to her her family's group chat,
writing from her hospital bed, lots of love to you all.

(51:10):
Don was given a liver transplant, but he died one
day after Gail on August fifth.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
That's so sad.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Ann Wilkinson remained in hospital. He was the final lunch
guest fighting for his life and on that day, the
police searched Aaron Patterson's home and seized her electronic devices.
When they knocked on the door, she greeting them by
asking who died.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Classic erin Oh my goodness, Why would she say? Why
would you say that she's the worst? So she is
to me, she is like the grand Marshal of the
Red Flag Parade.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Just okay, Well, Savage says, you just said, no, poisoners
do it just once. We're right, so many times it
takes more than just one time. Normally it's slow doses
over time. Aaron just couldn't wait for that.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
See that. And a lot of poisons not all of them,
but a lot of them actually like watching it happen
over and over and over again. It's this weird thing
that they get off on mm because they're the only
one in the know, and so they will spend months,
even at year's poisoning somebody just to get them sick,

(52:39):
and then increasing it because they feel like they're not
getting caught. They feel like they're smarter than doctors, and
that they're basically playing god. It's Poisoners are fascinating people
to me, they really, because it takes he said.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
He was talking about by green bead spaghetti. Yeah, no,
I had kids for many years, so they were young.
But just you know, both of my children love all
their vegetables now, so it worked.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
You gotta do what you gotta do with kids sometimes, right,
that's right. Anyway, I do very much believe she was
poisoning Simon Mini. Absolutely wouldn't be surprised if she's poisoned
other people. Maybe not to Jet, but yeah, they are
very very interesting group of people, those poisoners.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
They are. And that is one reason. In the South,
our other Southern friends, I say, one of the reasons
I don't drink sweet tea is because somebody could put
Anna freeze in that and you would never know because
anna freeze is sweet. They say it's very sweet, and
it's very easy to hide in tea and make it sweet.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
But you know the thing about anna freeze is it's
very easy to tell that somebody has gotten an when
they die. If they do an autopsy, you can see it. Yeah, crystallizes.
It's very interesting. Anyway. Now let's back to the story
speaking a poisoner. Let's get back to this one. Now. Obviously,

(54:14):
the police were watching Aaron's movements and that included one
small transaction from her checking account. A day after checking
herself out of the Minash Medical Center, Aaron had paid
a fee at the Kunwara transfer station, a local dump
and landfill. I'm sorry, Ozzy friends, if that's not how

(54:37):
you say it. Yes, what we got. At the police request,
the manager pulled CCTV footage of Aaron there, and a
timely search yielded one black Sunbeam brand food dehydrator. Not
at all suspiciously, aren't not at all now? The police

(54:58):
formally interviewed Aaron, who still insisted that she had also
suffered from poisoning. She told them that she had purchased
button mushrooms at Woolworths and dried mushrooms at an Asian
grocery store in Melbourne, Okay. When asked if she owned
a food dehydrator, she said maybe she had owned one

(55:20):
years ago. Oh, I don't know. Maybe I've had when
I don't know, okay, erin now. Aaron also told the
police that she never had forged for mushrooms, and the
interview lasted about fifty minutes and Rachel earlier in chat
oh downdboard.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
That is not my soundboard.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Oh it's amusing to my sound is off.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Good job, Amos, because I'm like, I shut mine down
after so many people gave me crap.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Everybody loved it, I know.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
But you told me no more. Thank you, amos.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Oh No, Rachel and chat there had mentioned that her
police interview is very very interesting.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Oh yeah. Now, a memorial service for Don and Gail
Patterson was held at the end of August. About a
month later, on September twenty third, twenty twenty three, guys,
we finally have a little good news to share in
Wilkinson was released from the hospital after a liver transplant

(56:38):
in weeks spent in a coma. Now soon after his release,
he held a memorial for Heather. In trying to cover
all of the minutia of this case, we may have
glossed over the impact that this crime had. As if
the twenty twenty one census Corumba had a population of

(57:01):
three thousand and eight one hundred and sixty nine and
to lose three people all at once, that is shocking.
That is huge, guys, that's huge. Away like that, Yeah,
that's just huge. Now, hundreds of people attended the victim's memorials.

(57:23):
Don was a retired high school teacher and Gil had
worked in administration at the same school. My look at
that picture. Look at that picture. Now. Heather was involved
in her community as a pastor's wife, which I could
never be, and taught migrant women English in her free time. Now.

(57:44):
Karumba educator Andrea Lewis explained Heather was looking at a
group who are marginalized in the community in saying, I
can do something about that, and she did. As for
the three victims, Lewis said, I think they believed that

(58:05):
we all had greater missions or purpose beyond ourselves. We
had to just get out there and help others. We're
in a fortunate position and we had to go out
there and make things better for others, particularly young children.
Those are I'm sorry. The people who do those things

(58:28):
are just their saints in my eyes.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Agree.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
The guess who did not attend the memorial service, Aaron.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Of course she didn't. Of course she didn't. You know,
they all sound like really wonderful and lovely people, and
I really can't imagine the loss for the community and
what they felt. You know, they were very active members.
This was a preacher and his wife, and oh that's heartbreaking, heartbreaking,

(59:05):
all for nothing, you know, really, and thean for what
you know, all because fucking Aaron. Anyway, speaking of justice
is coming, Aaron Patterson was arrested on November two, twenty
twenty three, because guess well, she's not that fucking smart
after all, and charged with three counts of murder and

(59:27):
five counts of attempted murder, one for Ian and four
for Simon. Her lawyer did not apply for bail because
smart and strupid face good good Aaron got. Later, another
charge of attempted murder was added to account for Simon

(59:48):
being invited to the luncheon, but that charge was dropped
by prosecutors. I mean they had to drop charges sometimes,
it just happened. You don't want to risk losing a
whole case, right telling something that you're not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
And you can save it for later if you need to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
If you need to, if you need to. Now. Eventually,
all of the charges related to the previous poisonings of
Simon Patterson were also dropped before Aaron's trial. Her lawyer
argued that combining the charges could prejudice a jury against her,
and Supreme Court Justice Christopher Beale agreed, and again, that's

(01:00:25):
fairly common it is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Yeah. So in April of just this year, okay, Aaron's
trial begain. Patterson had requested the trial be moved to
more Well rather than Melbourne, which was approved. Aarin was
transported two and a half hours every Monday and Friday

(01:00:50):
to spend her trial days in the cell at the
Morewell Police station and her weekends at a maximum security
prison in Melbourne.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
I love that for her.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
I'm like, I got no problem with that anyone else.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
No, I love that for her. That is not a
comfortable ride, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
No, I love it now. She and her attorney, Colin Mandy,
would later complain about the condition and more well, you
know what, first of all, y'all asked to have the
trial moved, and second of all she's in jail.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
It's jail, that's yeah. I love all of this for her,
me too.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
This is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Fantastic now unfortunately for us and those photos. I mean,
Simon is working on a podcast. Oh wow, Kaptain, I
am giving you an assignment. Could you get the information,

(01:01:56):
get his contact information. We would love to reach out
to him and when he starts this podcast, we would
love to help him promote that because he deserves some
good in his life agreed. So unfortunately for us, the
Victoria Supreme Court did not allow any recordings in court

(01:02:19):
because they wanted to ensure fairness. But due to the
extremely high media interest in this trial, there was daily
in depth coverage. Okay, there was a daily lottery in
which six seats were reserved for the media every day
and an overflow room, which room was created for those
who could not fit. So you grew up Catholic like me,

(01:02:43):
they put you in the cry room, is what it
basically is. Everyone was there, documentary crews, podcasters, authors. This
trial really captured the attention of Australia and the world.
And guys, I know a lot of you are sitting
there going, yeah, it shouldn't be that big of a spectacle,

(01:03:06):
but trials are important for us to see when we can,
because it's just important. Lama can share more about that
on Couch Court. But let's get into it and here's
some of the evidence and arguments as they were presented
in Lama's opinion on why it's good to show trials.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Okay, the main question in the trial was whether or
not Aaron intended to poison her guests. Okay, she did
not dispute the presence of the death cat mushrooms. No,
you guys, she didn't. She maintained it was a terrible accident.
The prosecution, however, presented Aaron's actions as very calculated.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Oh, how's it an accident? If you bought them at Woolworm.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Well or the Asian know that it was somebody else's fault,
not hers. She didn't know that they were going to
be poisonous. H Now. Aaron's true crime friends testified remotely
that Aaron had complained many times about Simon and his
family to them. She told them that he wasn't she

(01:04:22):
was an atheist, and Simon's family had more or less
pressured her into raising the children Christian and sending them
to faith based school. She'd also said that her religion
meant she couldn't divorce Simon. But I don't know that's right.
Her friends were like, girl, we got the receipts, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
I like, guys, if anyone does that kind of stuff,
you all have our permission to turn the receipts into
the police.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Now. In seizing Aaron's cell phone, the investigators found that
had been restored to factory settings four times between March
and August, including the day she turned it over to
the police. You guys, your phone just can't randomly do that. Okay,
you do that and also not suspicious at all. Who

(01:05:19):
factory resets their phone anyway, not unless you have to.
And even then, I'm like, oh, it's just so much work.
I guess this is just my life now with my
buggy phone.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Now, because then you have to reinstall everything reset Who
has time for that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
And guess what? Friends do that all you want? You're
still going to find your shit. It's not going to
get rid of as much as you think it's going
to get rid of now. Surveillance footage and Facebook messages
also suggested that Aaron had another cell phone, because of
course she did that she never turned over to the police. Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Interesting, now, I'm sorry, I'm laughing at tooth McCabe. I'm sorry,
I I that's just funny. So her cell phone data
showed that she had used an app called Iye Naturalists
to locate death cap mushrooms in Victoria, and cell phone

(01:06:24):
towers showed that she had travel to those locations after
reading the eye Naturalist post. I mean seriously. And also
she used being to find eye naturalists. So I'm gonna
go ahead and I'm gonna just count all of that
as evidence against her. I don't know about you guys,
but yes, yeah, yeah, Now it took several foraging trips

(01:06:48):
to collect a substantial amount of mushrooms, which I don't
understand because we grabbed a lot, but I don't know
how many any On one such trip to forage in Loach,
Aaron purchased the food dehydrator. Am I the only one
that didn't know you could buy those for home use?

(01:07:10):
What a food dehydrator? What do you mean? I didn't
know that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Was the thing? Do do?

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
I didn't do that for us, that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Your team deleted photos and her Google photos cash showed
mushrooms in the dehydrator in being weighed on scales. Dumb ass.
Now my college is Tom May. You might not know
him as Funky Tom, or you might know him as
Funky Tom. He testified that the mushrooms and the photos
were consistent with death cat mushrooms to a high degree

(01:07:48):
of confidence.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Funky Tom, Man, I wish this was televised.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Okay, here's a lot guy with.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
This guy's hair too. Look how long it is?

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
In the back it is. Maybe it was the style me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
I just it's twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Five, Okay. I have to tell you. In twenty twenty four,
I saw my twelve year old nephew rocking a Billy
Ray Cyrus mullet. They are coming back in Texas.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
So oh wow, people keeping like leave your house, Lama.
You guys are not giving me good reasons too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Yeah. I'm going to just tell you I need someone.
If you're with us over in the discord on the courtyard,
I need to know how many of you own a
food dehydrator and why you need it, because I'm sitting
here literally going I don't understand that you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Can dehydrate anything. That's how you make jerky.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
You can get buy the jerky at the store.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
You can, but it's expensive as shit. We just talked
about that last night. I know that you hunting, you
can make your own dear jerky, but people put fruit
in there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Okay. Now, the food dehydrator that was in the photos,
and as we recall, was recovered from the dump. It
had Aaron's fingerprints on the outside and guess what it
had death cap toxins on the inside. Why she didn't
put something in the middle of it and catch it
on fire. I don't know now, dumb, dumb, And despite

(01:09:23):
her various stories of where she had purchased the mushrooms,
testimony from a Health Department official, hold on, I gotta stop, Rachel.
You just dehydrated apples in parsh yesterday. Yeah, didn't do
I need to get one. I mean we just got

(01:09:44):
an air fryer this year, so maybe I need a
dehydrator anyway. The Health Department officials stated that it was
highly unlikely for deadly mushrooms to end up in a
commercial supply chain since they can't be cultivated. Okay, safe

(01:10:05):
way isn't out gathering your mushrooms at the base of
oak trees, guys. I'm sorry you're gonna have to go
to Whole Foods for that. I'm just kidding. Bezos. Do
not come for us.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
If you want the deathcat mushrooms, I can go get
them next time they grow up on my oak tree,
and I can send them to somebody if they want
to test them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
I don't. I don't think that's legal.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
I don't think it is either. I am just stuck
on the fact that people are telling me a lot
of people, do you hip? Okay, I guess I'm living
under a rock.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
It's been around for a long time. I mean, we
don't have one, but that's because we don't really do shit.
So but lots of people have them there. They're a thing.
They're a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
See, maybe instead of Lama learns about we should have
a Terry learns about too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
I mean, I just I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
I mean, there's a lot of people that don't know
about food dehydrators. You're not the only person on earth,
so don't worry about that now, you guys. If you've
heard of a food dehydrator, please hid the like button.
Let us know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
All I know is I can hear discord blowing up
in my ear in the background. I'm assuming it's discord.
I keep hearing a beep, So I'm assuming it's discord.
Here a discord because I don't have it open.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Oh that's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Okay, so come on tell us more.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Oh yes, sorry. So it seems Aaron had purposely harvested
the deadly mushrooms and prepared them to feed her guests
and anna, surprise to no one, her cancer diagnosis was
completely fabricated.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Because she is just so great, I said, I would
hold it. Guys, there is nothing worse than faking that
you have cancer as a cancer survivor. That to me
is worse than you serving deadly mushrooms to somebody. That

(01:12:14):
to me is worse because people do it to get money,
to get sympathy, and shame on you. You deserve to
go straight to hell.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Who was that on it?

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
What that was?

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
What is that supposed to be? I don't know, but
if that was, they can hear the discord beeps too.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Okay, if that was supposed to be for Terry's rants,
we can't hear that that often. But I'm sorry. That's
just one that really gets to me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
What a piece of shit, That's exactly because it's so
many people do it, and yeah, garbage people, that's too now,
Sweet Gale, Sweet Sweet Gale had kept records in her
calendar of days. Aaron told her she was having appointments
and biopsies, and guess what, none of those appointments were real. No, no,

(01:13:11):
Aaron had used her health to guilt people into attending
her lunch. Thankfully, though it didn't work on Simond. Now,
Aaron had made multiple purchases at Woolworths of pastry, mushrooms
and steak over six days, suggesting that she made two

(01:13:32):
versions of the meal. I mean, it's a hard dish
to make, so she probably fucked up the first one.
To be quiet, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Six to say. How many practices did she have that
she gave away or threw in the trash?

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Really? I mean, all those people on Hell's Kitchen who
are professional cooks usually can't make it, so you know
it is ultimate terrible scumbags. They all like Rachel scumbags,
all of them. Now, that would explain also why she
ate from a different plate and didn't get sick, and

(01:14:07):
why she felt comfortable feeding leftovers to her children. Now,
of course Aaron maintains she did get sick, but I'm sorry.
All of the CCTV footage shown in this trial shows
that bitch in white pants, So forgive me for not
believing she was having diarrhea that she says she had, Like,

(01:14:31):
I don't ever wear white pants, not because I'm pooping
all the time. Is the minute that I do, I'm
either pooping, I'm either starting my lady time. I spilled
coffee like it attracts the badness of the universe. So
I never wear white pants, and I'm seriously considering adding
crimes to fashion to her charges.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Oh, I agree, that should be.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Like who wears white pants? Oh my god, you got
the diarrheas? Especially if only if only she would have
crabbed her pants, I would have laughed. Oh my god.
Could you imagine us saying that on CCDB?

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Okay, but you know what, it would be something that
she would deserve in Kelly p Yes, we agree with
you and Rachel. That is absolutely horrific and it should
be a criminal charge.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
I think so it should be. Now we do need
to talk about how the prosecution showed a clip of
her spending nine seconds in a gas station bathroom, which
was an amazing amount of time in this courtroom was
spent arguing about diarrhea. And I'll be honest, I'll be

(01:15:50):
very honest with you all. I'm very disappointed that we
didn't get to hear like the legal arguments about pooping, because,
oh my god, I have loved that so much.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Take the ninth seconds. Nine seconds, guys, I have never
been in and out.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Nine seconds, not nine seconds. I mean, when it happened,
it happens. Fast.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
But it happens fast, but it takes longer than nine seconds,
for sure, for sure. Now. Also supporting the theory that
she made separate batches of Wellington's was testimony from Camille Trong,
a my cologist at the Royal Botanic Gardens Victoria. Trong

(01:16:38):
examined samples of the Wellington pastry and mushrooms from the
outside trash under my groscope, and she found no trace
of death cap mushrooms, only field mushrooms. Thank goodness, she
did not do it to her kids. I mean, I've
got to find I gotta find the over lining somewhere.

(01:17:01):
She didn't give it to her children. Now, Victoria's chief toxologist,
Dmitri Jaras Tumalus, did find death cap toxins in a
different leftover sample that included beef. For what it's worth,
the prosecution argued that Aaron had lied about serving her

(01:17:22):
children leftovers, but the children testified that they ate them,
and there doesn't seem to be any proof that they
didn't because she bought a lot of stuff to make
different ones. But the defense countered all of this evidence
with the classic method of cell phone data doesn't prove anything, okay,

(01:17:47):
And then they put their client on the stand. Guys,
she testified for eight days. Eight days, and I don't
know who thought this was a good idea, and I
don't know why they would think it was a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Eight days. That is a long ass time to be
on the stand. That is not very often that a
defendant is on the stand for that mini day, like
hardly ever. And again I am super disappointed we didn't
get to see this trial. I'm very disappointed about it.
And to our besties in Australia, looking at you, shorty,

(01:18:27):
can you guys work on streaming trials, because I for one,
am very interested in seeing how your legal system works.
We're always watching ours, and I want to see how
other places that do their things.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
And we only even get on your time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
I think it's only fair they wake up for our
crazy at time zones.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
We should do this wait for them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
I absolutely could. This would have been fantastic. And as
Rachel says, she said, I watched someone who was in
court and they said that the poop talk was very serious.
And that's my favorite thing about court is they have
to discuss some crazy things or or say some crazy things,
like reading messages or stuff. They did go with such

(01:19:13):
a straight face, them reading sext texts, Oh, my god,
are the best?

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
You and I would never be asked to read those
on the stand unless they are ours, just saying our
facial expressions are eye roll. We could never be asked
to just be straight faced and read those.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
No, not at all at all, man, I would love
to see it's too bad, too bad. I mean, now,
if somebody gets the transcripts of this trial and they
want us to reenact it, I will happily, happily do that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Oh is someone going to take up that challenge?

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
I will clear my already kind of clear schedule.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Wait a minute, your we schedule?

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
I said, I will clear my already kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Of like you know, we have all these new membership tiers.
Your schedule is not clear?

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
I mean maybe now. Anyway, let's get back to what
Aaron had to say on the stand that she thought
it was worth talking about. Idiot, don't ever take the stand.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
For eight days?

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
For eight days, do they ask her just every question
you could ask a person like how do you have
eight days? Where the questions and tests like what could
you possibly have to talk about for eight days? But
you know what she's a pathological liar, and so I

(01:20:40):
bet a lot of that was just having her just
few all her bullshit lines. Oh man, we'd have been
glorious to watch anyway. So this is what she had
to say. Her story was that she had extremely low
self esteem and that caused her to tell her in
laws that she had severe health issues because she was

(01:21:04):
too embarrassed to tell them she was going to have
gastric bypass surgery. Jesus now. Her scheduling gastric bypass also
ended up being a lie. The facility she named didn't
even offer that procedure, so miss liar, liar who lies.

(01:21:28):
She denied telling her guests she had cancer, though Ian
and Simon had testified otherwise. She did admit to telling
Gail about a fictional needle biopsy. She's just lying all
over it twice. But believe me now now and telling
the truth. Yeah, I just lie to old, nice church
people just for funsies. But I'm being very honest now.

(01:21:51):
It's fine now for the trial. Her mushroom story was
she bought them fresh at Woolli's and also used a
forrest mix from a Melbourne grocer that she had dried
to preserve earlier in the year, because I know that's
what I do. She believed that she had mixed some

(01:22:13):
of her foraged mushrooms into the ones she dried from
the grocer accidentally. It's my bad, she says. She threw
out the dehydrator after Simon asked her about it in
the hospital. Do it to anxiety, okay, ma'am.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
I mean, if it was truly an accident, wouldn't you
have taken that dehydrator to the hospital or this would
have been me. I would have been like, oh my god,
I think I did this, this, this, and this, here's this,
Please test it? Yeah, okay. Now in Cross Aaron denied

(01:22:58):
purposely harboring the deadly mushrooms and calculating fatal doses. But
she's a liar. Basically, she said this was all one
big oops, my bad oopsy day. Yeah, she denied looking
at eye naturalists. So she must have harvested the mushrooms
by accident, and then they got mixed into the grocer's

(01:23:21):
mix by accident, and then by accident she served them
to her gas but not accidentally to herself and her children, Like,
it wasn't that big of an accident.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Sorry, what horrible luck this poor innocent woman had.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Oh my gosh, Now, guys, this would have sent Lama
into pure joy and frustration because she talked for so
long that the judge accented the trial by two weeks. Okay,

(01:23:59):
Lama would have loved it, but also been frustrated.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Can you imagine all the rants I would have on
when she was on there?

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
For every one of them? Oh man, now, she had
that many denials to make.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Almost every piece of evidence and witness provided by the
prosecution was brought up to and denied by Aaron in
her myopic testimony marathon of how many days again?

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Eight days?

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
Eight days?

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Yeah? Now. Closing arguments were delivered mid June. The prosecution
argued that Patterson had used four key deceptions for cancer.
Claimed to get her guests to attend the lunch, the
deliberate poisoning of her guest but not herself or her children,

(01:24:58):
her pretending to have symptoms day after the lunch, all
while wearing white pants.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
In case you've forgotten, Terry, that was in all caps,
all while wearing white pants.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
I wear white pants all the.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Time when you're when you have diarrhea, though Terry no
that's that's diarrhea. No pull death cat mushroom diaryha I
won I bet that's not even like normal diarrhea.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
But yeah, and the cover up for the crime. Okay,
I try so hard to give people the benefit of
the doubts. Sometimes I really try, as you see, because
I'm like, you know, Yeah, they cited more lies than
she had been caught in. Many handed them on a
platter from her eight days of testimony buffet.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
Yeah. Yeah. So the defense are that there was reasonable
doubt that Patterson had accidentally used the mushrooms in her
cooking and had not intended to injure her guests. He
disputed the evidence of friction between Aaron and her in law,

(01:26:16):
saying she was venting to friends, which, okay, fine, we
do that all the time. But I must be honest here, Okay.
He urged the jury to reject Ian Wilkinson because you know,
rejecting a freaking preacher. You're calling a preacher, a man
of God, a liar, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Well, sometimes they lie, but he was not one that
we have seen any evidence, was a liar.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
It's a bold strategy. It's a bold Yeah, it's a
bold strategy, you know, he was the sole survivor. Yeah,
to sit there and basically imply that they shouldn't listen
that guy. It is mind blowing, right, And he said
that Aaron's being searches for deadly mushrooms had been due
to idle curiosity and not malicious intent. And Okay, you

(01:27:08):
know I feel that part because I google all sorts
of things I shouldn't for this channel. But telling the
jury to disregard the surviving witness is a bit too
much mander. Okay, that's that's not gonna go over. Well.
I know you gotta try everything you can for your clients. Ethically,

(01:27:30):
you have to. But I many things you don't mean
to know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
I was saying, I will be googling what all deathly
mushrooms there are, but it's because we covered this and
I need to know.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
Now. Twelve jurors were sequestered for about seven days to deliberate.
On July seventh, twenty twenty five, they convicted Aaron Patterson
a three counts of murder in one count of attempted murder.
She was remanded into custody pending sentencing. She was also

(01:28:06):
barred from selling her home so that any money down
the road, can go towards restitution if needed, which is
good because she had gotten you know, two million dollars.
I mean she had some money around there. In late August,
Aaron hurd victim impact statements, as we are lucky enough

(01:28:27):
to have a survivor. I would like to share some
of what Ian Wilkinson had to say at the hearing.
This man is a better person than me. I just
need to say that I make an offer of forgiveness
to Aaron. I have no power or responsibility to forgive

(01:28:52):
harms done to others for the murders of Heather, Gale
and Don. Compelled to seek justice, However, I encourage Aaron
to receive my offer of forgiveness to those harms done
to me. With full confession. I bear her no ill will.

(01:29:15):
Now I am no longer Aaron Patterson's victim, and she
has become the victim of my kindness.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
God last, this is so good. Might drop right there
and like turn that around, yeah now. Anne and Heather's
daughter Ruth highlighted the cruel path Aaron took by saying
there were multiple times she could have stopped, could have
canceled the planned helped medical staff change the outcome. Instead,

(01:29:48):
at every stop of the way, she chose to follow through.
That's right, numerous times, numerous times and no now last week,
well ten days ago, on September eighth, Aaron Patterson was
sentenced to life in prison. Technically, she was given three

(01:30:12):
life sentences, one for each murder and twenty five additional
years for the attempted murder, all concurrently, despite the prosecution's request,
Justice Spield did give her a chance for parole after
a minimum period of thirty three years. That means Erin
will be eighty one years old before she can be

(01:30:33):
considered for parole. So suck on that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
Erin, I'm like, suck on that. I mean, I don'll
see a lot of hope for her. Hello eighties. Now
for reference, guys, only one woman has ever been sentenced
to life without parole in Australia, and it was an

(01:30:58):
abattoirs worker name and Catherine Knight, who took her home
with her. It might be something we need to revisit
because it is a lot, and I will tell you
it is a crazy crazy and we must we must
cover it in the new year. It is disturbing a

(01:31:21):
it is a lot because I'm familiar with that one.
It's a lot so aaron sentence is a dramatic one,
and in sentencing, Bill let Aaron know that he believed
the crown's witness testimony could be credible despite her claims. Basically,
he was saying, we believe the survivor. Bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Sorry right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
The sentencing was recorded, though the only camera was on
Justice Bial, but at least we can get a little
idea of what he had to say to Aaron. Now
it's a little long, but we had to include all
of those f bombs.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
I love this so much.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
Like you were scathing in your remarks about both Simon
and his parents, Don and Gale Patterson. Amongst other things,
you derided your father in law's suggestion that you and
Simon get together and pray for your children, commenting quote
this family, I swear to fucking God. You called them

(01:32:27):
quote a lost cause you wondered whether they had quote
any capacity for self reflection at all. You said quote
fuck them, and that you suspected, suspected the best thing
you could do was quote just to forget about all
of them and live your life. Your offending involved an

(01:32:48):
enormous betrayal of trust, Your victims were all your relatives
by marriage. More than that, they had all been good
to you and your children over many years, as you
acknowledged in your teenchmony. Not only did you cut short
three lives and cause lasting damage to Ian Wilkinson's health,
thereby devastating the extended Patterson and Wilkinson families, you inflicted

(01:33:13):
untold suffering on your own children, whom you robbed of
their beloved grandparents.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Mm hmmm, mm hmmm, good one, judge, good one. Now
Aaron's old Facebook group no longer exist, but it's rumor
that it changed its name to keep Aaron Patterson behind bars,
which sounds very much like something we would do. And

(01:33:42):
I'm just gonna put this out there. If there is
any of her former true crime friends that she is
in that group with who want to come and talk
about it, email us and come talk about it with us, because.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
On camera, off camera, on the downlow, we're here for it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
We get it. We we we don't get it. We
haven't had any way to be a murderer yet. But
like that sense of betrayal that even those people must
have felt. Talk, I mean, we talk all of the.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Time, like we just put ourself in those shoes if
one of our lovelies or besties did something like that. Yeah,
I mean yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Right now, Ian Wilkinson is back behind the pulpit telling
his congregation that the path is a hard one and
you should know. And I want to end on a
clip of Ian speaking after the sentencing and just reminding
us that good people exist.

Speaker 5 (01:34:45):
Our lives and the life of our community depends on
the kindness of others. I'd like to encourage everybody to
be kind to each other.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
You are such a good freaking man, and you are
you are well, you guys. That wraps up the show
for you here. Now we're going to do our closing thoughts,
which is some of y'all's favorite time because that's when
we rant and rant and rant. I know, I want
to hug Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
I want to hug him as well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
And right, good, good motion. Now, all right, so closing thoughts. Now,
I am so glad that we covered this case because,
like I said earlier at the beginning, is started around
the same time as Karen Reid and I remembered it starting.
I think I even like read it like on our

(01:35:42):
first day or something while we were waiting on court.
Like letting people know that this was going on. But
I didn't get to keep up with it because everybody
knows Karen Reid was crazy great, So I'm so glad
we went back to see what all came out from that.
And for someone who went through all this planning to
poison these people, she knew that it would point back
to her. But since she was such a compulsive and

(01:36:06):
pathological liar, she had to have truly believed she could
get away with it and talk herself out of it
like she had all the other times in her life.
Because here's the thing. If you're a pathological liar, everyone
you know that you talk to knows that. Have you

(01:36:27):
have you ever encountered a for real pathological and cursive liar,
Like they just lie about shit that doesn't need to
be lied about. It's crazy. I hope many of you
have never come across these people, but I have, and
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
You can even have a picture of them doing that thing,
a picture, and they will deny that it's.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
A night that has been tampered with, that has been
they Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Yeah, yes, you guys, there are something else, but here
this is for you pathological liars. Everyone knows you're a lie. Okay,
you're not actually convincing anybody of anything, especially the longer
they know you. They just don't tell you because they
don't want you to catch on that they don't know.
And listen, you're not full of nobody. No one actually

(01:37:13):
respects or trusts you. Nobody, all right, they all everyone
knows you're a liar and that you're usually really bad,
really really bad about it. And the only person really
believing your bullshit is you. And Aaron is probably sitting
in there believing her own bullshit every day and always will.

(01:37:36):
That's just who she's. I mean, even earlier when we
talked about her upbringing, that's what she said happened, right,
How can we believe her?

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
How did we know she even told her parents she
was getting married that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Day exactly exactly. I mean, her reputation at work was
that she was I mean, she was Scudder the Nutter.
You know, that's how transparent these people people are. And
it's really it is a mental illness. I mean, I
don't know if there is like an actual diagnosis for that,
but there is something seriously self agreed. And you know,

(01:38:12):
thank God that Simon trusted his gut and didn't go
over there that day. So the children still have a
parent in their life because she was willing to take
their parent out, and that is just and for what
we still don't even know what the motive is.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
I mean, she was bad about a fifteen thousand dollars
tax nut, but that is the only thing that they
ever talked about that could possibly be a motivation. That
you were given two million dollars over eight year. Fifteen
thousand dollars, I would think would be a drop in
the bucket.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
I wonder if it's because she thought that she was
losing control of Simon. I think because he was ready
to move on and she was a very controlling, neurotic person,
because those people usually are as well, you know, so,
and how dare she how dare she try to ruin
Beef Wellington's you know, Chef Gordon Ramsay is probably furious

(01:39:14):
about this, and that the real Hell's kitchen was Aaron
Patterson's all alone. That's right now, I'm supposed to pause
for six seconds for I love that. Thank you, Thank

(01:39:35):
you forducing me for uploading that to the stream yard
for us perfect. We're gonna use that so much make
sure it's on all of our show.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
Else Oh my gosh, I have laughing so hard to
I'm like, my little bow ties get in the way.
So I did not put my closing thoughts in beforehand,
because I have to be honest. I I think she's
a horrible person, and the fact that she killed these
three people, and to get them there to eat, she

(01:40:11):
lied about a health condition she didn't have, because do
you know how many people out there are scared to
tell their family members that they have this? How will
it affect them? It truly causes you to go down

(01:40:31):
a path of thought that you can't imagine until it
happens to you. And do you use that to get
people there to kill them? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
It's fucked, So it is.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
And then I stop and I think about Simon. He
loved her, and I can't help but think of the
guilt he feels bringing her into his family, his children,
his parents, all of that, And it makes me wonder.

(01:41:12):
She must have been really good at gaslighting this shit
out of him because he loved her. That a smile
on his face. They say love is blind.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
Well, and I mean, gosh, you really don't want to
believe your partner is that you just don't. You you
just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
But I want Simon to know. I hope his podcast
is extremely successful. And I want to tell everybody trust
your gut. If you had a feeling that something just
ain't right. You know what, at the end of the day,
they might think you're an asshole. Would you rather be

(01:41:50):
dead or an asshole? It's true because because of him
trusting his gut, he is there to raise his children.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
And thank goodness, and I'm sure he does.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
Ever of you picked another dark freaking case. Was this
you or Cap'ain?

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
This was Captain's suggestion.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
Actually, I kind of figured with the fungus among us
that it had to be Cap'in.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
Cappen Cavin was our researcher tonight or a round of
A plus. Yes her Capin did look at a lovely
job and amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
And for those of you that are over on the discord,
I will go and find the pictures of me foraging
for mushrooms my very first time. And now I am
going to message my boss tonight and say with a
link to this video and say when you took me?
Because I didn't know you could go forage for mushrooms yourself.

(01:42:56):
It was something else I didn't know you could do.
How did we make sure I didn't get one of these?
We took them back to the hotel and for those
that we wanted, they cooked them up for us. The
other people took them home to cook. How did they
know that they weren't killing me? I?

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
Naturalists? The app I guess did.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
They even have that? They grew up forging they could
look at the mushrooms, point them out, tell you where
to get them. So Captain, thank you, And you're right, guys.
They're all dark, but some of them are really dark.
Because now I'm gonna worry every time I eat a mushroom.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
I mean, yeah, you know. And as I said, poisoners
are very diabolical, and Aaron not only being a poisoner,
but a pathological and compulsive liar die busio half levels. Yeah,
for sure. Gotta be sure, all right, you guys, Before

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