Serial Killer Elizabeth Wettlaufer's FULL Confession to Police CHILLING!

Serial Killer Elizabeth Wettlaufer's FULL Confession to Police CHILLING!

Ontario Provincial Police conducted a 2½-hour-long
interview on Oct. 5, 2016, in which the former nurse described the
killing of patients in her care.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Sorry about that. That's okay. Too many people moving in
shake her and mirror became really keep tractors I was
doing what so? So yeah, like I said, I'm just
gonna go through for everything in this room is audio
and video recorded. First off, you're okay with that? Oh yeah, okay,
So I just wanna go through, like I said, a
couple of formalities cover a few little things off things

(00:26):
that I have to do on my end event I
need to do, and things that I just want to
tell you and make sure that we're all on the
same dage before we before we get going. Okay, okay, So,
first off, today is Wednesday, October the fifth, twenty and sixteen.
And on my phone right now, just use that as
a a time referenced it's by fourteen, okay, so seventeen fourteen.

(00:47):
Lets use that as a start time of our conversation
here today again. My name is Nathan Ergot with the
Woods Dawn Polue Service. I currently work in our crime unit. Okay,
and we met a short time ago in downtown TORONTORECT.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Right.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, so we came to a facility where you've spent
the last few weeks. From what I understand, Yeah, and
we met with doctor Kahn and his team of associates,
and I believe your under his character. The last little
lot of corrects, okay, and the process how probably got
here basically is kind of offered you right back and

(01:23):
and so we could have this conversation, and you gracefully accepted,
and off we went down the four one or the
gardener and here we are right So, just to make
it clear for whoever might watch this in the future,
we didn't force you to come with us. We didn't,
you know, shove you in the car and off we went.

(01:44):
Kind of thing. You did it on your own free will,
and you accepted it on your own, on your own
decision making exact correct.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yes, I had enough, and even that they tried to
get money to the homeless people.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
There you go. I remember all that. I remember all that.
So I know I've read you a few things before
as we were kind of just scrusing down Spadina there,
and I know you've been read this many times, but
it's just things that we need to just reiterate and
make sure that you're clearly and comfortable with having this
conversation today. Okay, Okay, Like I said, based on our investigations.

(02:17):
There could be some some pretty serious criminal charges that
results of our investigation. Okay. So, having said that, if
if you wish to speak to a lawyer at any time, okay,
I don't want you to hesitate. We can make it
happen whenever you like. So whether it's now, five minutes
from now, an hour from now, or three days from now,

(02:37):
whatever the case may be. I hope not. I'm just
doing I'm just saying that anytime that you want to
be to a lawyer that you're kind of in our company,
or whatever the case may be, you let us know
and we can make that accommodation for you. Does that
make sense, okay, because you've in your position as a
Canadian citizen, you're entitled to have a free legal advice

(03:01):
from a legal aid due to council lawyer, the lawyer
of your choice, whoever you like. Many times yep, okay.
And like I said, because there could be some criminal
charge that's the result of our investigation, okay. Also, and
I know you'ven read this many times before, that you
may be charged with many criminal offenses and you don't

(03:26):
have to say anything in answer to the charges of
your faith. But if you wish to do, so we're
gonna do that today. But whatever you do say could
be used in the horse. And I know we had
that conversation in the car on the way the way
back to Woodstock, and I asked you to repeat it
in your own words, and you kind of gave us
a few a few of describing it in your own vocabulary,

(03:48):
as you said something like, it's not Vegas. What happens
in the car on the way back doesn't necessarily stay
in the car. The same thing, the same thing that's room.
Anything that you say and everything that we talked about
should be evidence that course, okay, So kind of to
qut it easily, the same rules apply, okay. And if
you've spoken to any other police officers, I know that

(04:09):
you've dealt with the Toronto Police. There was a couple
officers in the car on our on our trip back here.
If anyone's persuade you or tried to push you into
making a statement whatever they said, I don't want that
to insult you in any way, Okay. What I want
to say as I'm giving up in my own fail
of okay, all right, And I appreciate that, and we'll

(04:32):
be moving forward for another few things. And I know
that we said this in the car. You are not
under arrest right now, Okay, Okay, I want to make
that very clear to you. Okay, you're not under arrest.
The door is unlocked, Okay, I'm not seeing your way
does the car. If you want to leave at any time,
if you want to stop talking to me at any time,
you just let me know and we'll just carry on

(04:54):
from there. Okay. But you're not being held her hence
true will. We're not forcing you to seek to us.
We just have some follow up, some some follow up
questions from the investigation that kind of got going while
you're in Toronto.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, being interviews is hard cause it takes so long.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
It does.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
So I'll do my boss like if, like I said,
if I have to get up and pace around a
bit or whatever, if.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
You want to take a break at any time, you
let us know. If you want to get some pace around,
I'll just kind of hang tight here and yeah, almost
keep conversing as long as as long as you're comfortable.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Oh, I have low as long as I can.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay, alright, sounds good. That's kind of all the formalities.
But like I said, uh, those are the things that
I just wanted to make sure that we're we're clear
to you and if you have any questions for me
before we get started, the floor is yourgin? Is there
no hang or any concerns that you have?

Speaker 3 (05:42):
No, I just I wanna get through this and find
out what happened to my mom and dad because I
know there I'll set so someone went to hisism today,
okay and visitism today. If I said, you know, if
they're here, what's concerns, what's going long you?

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Oh I can imagine. I actually imagine, and I are honest.
You don't have a lands just for you, but I
can get them for you. My rule in this investigation
so far has been not as in depth as some
of the other officers. But my task today obviously was
to travel to Toronto and maybe with you, with with
my follow co workers and uh and come back here

(06:17):
and have a conversation. So if that's kind of where
where I'm at right now. But I can definitely get
some answers for you, and I don't want to upset
any more people that need to be especially your moments
as you should have you there. You know what, if
I could afford them for the playoffs. I probably would have. Yeah,
I was exciting last night. So just just for the record,

(06:41):
and I know you you prefer to go by Beth.
Is what you told me for that, correct, And can
just stay your full name for me the best traits
and may also yeah, okay, and just spell your last
name for the record.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
W E T T l A U S E R.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Perfect and best. The reason why we're here today is
because as we've received some information back at the end
of last week with regards to some information that was
provided to the Tronto Police Service, which just led us
into quite a bit of work and leading here today

(07:15):
to speak to you with regards to kind of how
this all started and follow up. But basically, I've watched
your statement that you've provided to TROUMP okay, and we've
been provided this document here is out look familiar. Yeah,
all right, And from what I considered, there's four pages

(07:36):
of a handwritten document. Is that you're handwriting, okay, and
it just kind of goes through some people that you've
encountered in your career from two thousand and seven through
to twenty sixteen. In August August of twenty sixteen, Okay,
So that's kind of the focus of our investigator right now,

(07:58):
is the information that you you've put on four pieces
of or yes, okay, but but before we get into that,
I just wanna kind of get an idea of your
career and and where you kind of where you've been
in your career and how you got into things and
registered nurse.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
I started from col I started from what from uh
here Park uh Secondary School.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
I away, I.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Graduated grade thirteen, one three year.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Of law school, not law school, so.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
A journalism school, okay, and uh then uh I went
to UH Bible College and London Baptist.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Bible College in London.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Graduated with a degree in UH counseling. It's a bachelor's
degree in counseling.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
And then.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Discovered that that's not gonna be wasn't really gonna get
me a lot far as work wise and career wise,
and so I went back to uh here in Park
High School for a year, and I took a year
of mass and cliences and went on to Connor Stoza

(09:11):
College and in uh they have it's in Kitchener, but
they have Stratford campus. So I went there for the
three years, okay, and then when I graduated there. I
worked in a place called Geraldtons, okay, which is sixteen
hours after the sun of uh Toronto. I guess said,
it's quite a bit north of three or north of

(09:31):
sunder Bay.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah up there.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, worked there, couldn't stand the inspanation.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Moved back. Worked for.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
An organization called uh Christian Horizons here in town in
one of their group homes til two thousand and seven,
at which time my marriage twelve parts in February two
thousand and seventh and uh I met a woman online, kay,

(10:01):
and she decided to move to be with me.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
So I ended up quitting the job by the good
and going to Carrest and Care to make a little
bit more money cause I was doing the residents and earner.
So I started working at Crescent Care.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Please.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
It was June's two thousand.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
And seven, okay.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
And how long did you work there for until two
thousand fourteen?

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Till uh like I think it was March two thousand and fourteen.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
And were you always in the same role with her
as a.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
As a registered nurse, Yeah, and redister nurse's role is
always the same, Yeah, But I worked in different areas
of the home okay, there's five wings to Preston Care.
So I worked in different areas, right, okay.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Ultra of the the seven or so years that you
were there, yes, okay. And at that point did you
have different supervisors from.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Unit to unit or else? There was one supervisor, Allan
from Bay. She was bead there okay. And then there
was like people under her, Shelley, uh Jeanette.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
I had a friendly the rest of them.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Then there was like a uh AN administrative head, and
I think from most of that time.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
It was Brenda right m okay, and then from christ
Carnally you've you've had a few other yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
I went from Cross and Care fires, from Cross and
Care Okay for a medication area era error yup.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Then from there I went to Meadow Parks nursing Homes Okay.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
And UH must there to get help with some addictions
it of course, hoping that it would get help with.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Out as well. And then when it came back, I.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Started working again in January, I left. I left Meadow
Park in UH September of two thousand and fourteen, and
I started working for a nursing agency called UH Lifeguard
in ten thousand and fifteen, and I worked with them

(12:29):
for over a year and then in July two thousand
and sixteen, I started working for sant Lois to South Care.
Okay as well, I was still working for Lifeguards.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Oh okay, And how did that work? Did you just
split your time between the timer or is it it's
kind of a part time position of both organizations.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
It st Elizabeth was my priority, okay, so, and Lifeguard
is very much you pick up the shifts as they come,
is very schedule shifts. So sure I could say yes
and none of them and and focus.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
On families and we're and were those roles where you
would do like in home care with different.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Homes with uh Lifeguard, it's an agency, So you go
into nursing homes, you go into people's homes, you go
into you go into uh like retirement homes. We did
a lot of different things, a lot of one on
ones with people like in their own homes, twelve hour shifts,

(13:34):
eight our shifts, or sitting with them. A lot of
stuff I did was sitting with high of patients.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Right, Okay, that would be tough.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I Hey, it's okay, yeah, like cause I knew they
were gonna die.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, And it.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Was just an opportunity to give the family of rests.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, absolutely, so, yeah, it's an important role. I mean
a lot of people wouldn't see it that way and
wouldn't even notice the care that these people are giving
with different people like yourself, right, and you would give
the families a bit of a break and mean and
to take take take that role as is important that
I set of people don't see.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Right, cause when some when someone's sign in the house,
m families don't want everyone to be asleep at once, right,
and that can be very hard if you're not able
to do that, that's right. But if you have a
nurse there that says, no, it's okay, I've got that's
I knows the medications that get's gonna be all.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Right, then I'm kind of less easy. Yeah, you know good,
I had metal part. What were you what was your addiction? Uh,
hide your mouse? Okay, alright, okay? And what like how
much were you using when I was a bite user?

Speaker 3 (14:42):
So I would use where I could get a hold
of okay by stealing a smitations okay, right?

Speaker 1 (14:49):
And how would that work? They would just would it
just be in there in there a lot of medications
or would you have access to a.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Card to there's some there are a lot of medications
some of them how and it confusion so they couldn't
tell the difference between what those you were giving those.
I'd just give them a lots of differ instead of
day adding more. Okay, there was uh a lot of
'em had as needed, so it would be in a

(15:16):
big card and then they'd say, I would just punch
out that, Oh Barney needed two of those today, you know,
building the three of those to day when they really
didn't okay, And that's how I would get up home
of it okay. Every once in a while, there was
also a drug but a drug big drug uh holder

(15:37):
like the safe almost that we would put the drugs
in Okay once uh they if somebody die and they
were only twenty three hydro marks left, would slide the
whole card into the drugs holder.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, if you picked it up in terms of sit down.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
And shook it, you'd get.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Drugs back out of it. Okay. So had your way, yes, okay?
And and was that ever an issue with which doether
were we ever confronted or really did that so totally
undetected for the the time you were there.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
There was a time when hydromorph was delivered to the
home and it didn't get put away right away as
a person who should have. And so I took my
hydro mars and put it in my bag and took
it home and it wasn't discovered for months, right, And
uh so I just played dumb from the police home

(16:29):
about it. I played them, Yeah when was that?

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah? Alright, So as a vendu avenge user, then like
how much would you would you be using on I
mean obviously when you're on a daily basis, or or
you if you were being assing, But like how long
did the addiction last? Four?

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Oh, the adiction lasted from things started in two thousand
and eight, okay, so to two thousand and fourteen, at
which time I went away and got treatment not a
treatment center. Okay, but then uh I started using again,
probably since January two thousand.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
And sixties or sixtieth things again? Okay, And are you
still using when you get your hands on them? Or no? No, no,
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
I'm going to stop using alcohol as well. I'm going
to I have friends in a and I've I've got
a very clear plan.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I think if if I'm able to be out in the.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Boat or other very clear plans. And I also know
if I'm not able to the other those that they
and their protus and owners do have some programs where
they come in to prison possibly. So yeah, that's my plans.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Well, that's that's good that you have a plan. What
do you think? What do you think the reason is
that you stipp didn't use the ship out you know
where you think? What is it? Just the stressing of
the job that you're fishing? Yeah, hurt do Yeah, just
your personal life as well.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
I'm just always feeling like I had to be the
best possible person and very very stressful job giving medications
to thirty two people, making sure treatments were done.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
On thirty two people.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Or charity I press or thirty two people supervising four
pstudies whose sometimes didn't always get along and sometimes always
didn't always.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Get along with me. Yeah, it's a hard job.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Any nursssay it's a hard job, I believe, and uh
then they would add different things like oh, you have
to do this and that's the paces here and counting
the medications.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
At the end of the shift. And it was a
hard job, and I did.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I always was putting this pressure on myself to be
a really good nurse and to do everything perfectly. And
every once in a while when I give that whole
a little hydromark or two and take it, then that
pressure respond right.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
And the treatment, Uh decided that you went away through?
Where was that?

Speaker 3 (18:54):
I cannot remember? I tried to treasure to remember. Yeah,
was it local or no? It was a it was
out of town. That was like two so the two
hour drive. Okay, you know where the laws are? Yeah,
near nineties or wells. Well, it's a little town outside
of Willans, Okay, and it's there you have. Uh it's

(19:16):
an eighteen day treatment that they have, and I I
was successful. I went to the whole thing. I was
so wealth eighteen eighties Yeah, okay, and at Holts yes, yepka.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Right. What about the family? How is you're born raised
wood Stuck?

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, born and raised in wood Stock.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Marriage from two thousand, Uh from ninety seven to two
thousand and seven. Right, we broke up severary two thousand
and seven. No children, I wanted them, they never did.
My mom and dad are in their seventies, seventies five

(19:54):
and seventy six. I have cousins all over the area. Yeah,
and uh my brother and his wife and four kids.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
They live in uh Okay and they're well, magine, they're
quite active.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
The oldest one is twenty six and he's got a
wife and two kids. He visits his parents. The older
was the parents.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Except for my.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
How was there right?

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, just one big house of family. Have you been
able to visit? I've all, I've been served.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
I've been to see their husband once. They've been here
a few times.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
They came in two thousand and thirteen from my parents'
uh sixty's Wodding Universitary. Nice and my nephew and his
wife's gay behind and.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
This was my parents for a few months.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
So my nephew tried to the Bible College, okay, but
it wasn't successful.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
So they went back. So you're brother older everything, you're
older older. He's three years older than me.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
It's fifty two, I know, okodn't.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
So as far as your latest position as say Elizabeth, Yeah,
that was your last position as a part end of that, Yeah, correctly, okay,
and you said you resigned from there. Yeah, okay, what
what brought you to that?

Speaker 3 (21:21):
That's cool, cause that's that sort of thing to give
a little crazy. Mkay, this is the start, but I
haven't told.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
The doctors, okay, cause it seems so stupid now.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
When my aunts and I broke up in two thousand
and seven, I was already taken the medication for my
my borderline personality disorder, okay, and I was so angry,
and it was like a voice set inside me. I'll
use you, don't worry about it. And at different times

(22:02):
that I have caused people's deaths, are caused the discomfort through.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
The through the influence.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
I believe it was the influence of that voice or
whatever it was. It wasn't a voice in my head.
It was a voice in here, and when I would
do it afterwards, I would hear like a laster.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
In my test. Okay. So started working for Saint.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Elizabeth and I was doing well, but it was a
lot of pressure. And the way that you know that
I've helped you left to die has been through influence.
And uh, after my first my thirty day evaluation, my uh,

(22:48):
my uh supervisor came to me and said, you know,
I'm really sorry. We wanted you for Woodstock, but we
have so many kids in schools on ingersoll that need
help with their influence comes that you're gonna start working
in anger scoll okay.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
And I panicked. I panicked.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
I didn't want to do that, so I felt, you
know what if it was a kid. So about it
was about a week after that that I quit. Yeah,
and then I uh packed my stuff in the car
and I drove two days and then the closed. I
drove into come back thinking like I would just started

(23:30):
running away sort of things. And then I thought, oh,
that's just stupid. So I came back and uh does
some time my parents what was going on if I
had visitors from Scotland, So I didn't tell them.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
I just.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Start spent two weeks pretending to go to work.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Okay, well about when we're here.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Or it's funny, but it's not funny.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
And then once they left, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
I decided I didn't want a nurse anymore. I didn't
want to hurt anybody anymore. So I also cooked my
other job and then I decided, well whatever.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
For I ended that was that.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Like I did a lot was looking into how I
could get help, cause I realized I needed help with
whatever this was, cause part of me had started to
believe that it was the devil, and part of me
thought it might be God as the purpose through my life.
And uh, I know the doctor asked me those questions,
but I didn't answer him because I was so ashamed.

(24:38):
But I just uh, I didn't want this to keep
going on. So I put both jobs, looked into where
I could get help. Doctor Fernando is lying asny piatric
and he's not a very nice man. So I went
on an online UH support group and the talking on

(25:00):
two people on there and they were saying, you know,
get some help. So then I started researching some UH
sideports and stuff, and I thought, ham h and they
are the only mental health facility in Ontario.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
That hasn't even versus state department.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
So I made a decision and I went. I went
there one Friday morning. I trusted trains and off I went.
And before I went, I told the two I told
three people what was going on. My friend from NA and.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
My friend I told them what was.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Going on, and they said, yes, both get help. And
my friends drove me to the train station.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
And and when you said you told them what was
going on? Did you get into?

Speaker 3 (25:56):
I told them that I had a ton of people,
and they all said, yes, you there, go get helped, go.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Off my line. Okay.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
And she's friends from when I used to work with.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Okay, all right, good last name Okay. And she drove
me to the transtation on that on the Friday morning,
so the would start translation. Yeah, okay. And then your
other friendly is my cousin. Okay, she's cousin of yours. Yeah,

(26:38):
she lives in DC. Okay, and I and if you
don't want to tell me that that's flaying based on
the reason why this person mayor may not be a friend,
but you're a friend my friend.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, okay, she's there. I can tell your first name,
but otherwis it's confident and I don't want to dig
into that.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
At this point. That's not a problem at all. So
did you disclose the same thing.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
To all those three people that I had been giving
the son overdose? And I didn't say why because at
that point it felt so stupid.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, it just helped so stupid and Beth, to be
honest with you, I admire your the way that you're
conducting yourself and telling us and having this conversation with me.
I thank you for that. And I'm not here to
judge in any way. So I don't want you to
know that. And I'm not a doctor. I know you

(27:34):
spent a lot of time, and I can't reage the
last three weeks, right, Yes, and I'm far from a doctor,
but I do appreciate you. You're telling me the truth
and telling me the way that these things happened and
played out. Yeah, and I admire you for that.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
And it's you know, it's been a while because I've
been doing.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
About like do I give the names of the people
right that I killed? Right?

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Because then here's a families they thought that their family
member died peacefully and normally and they didn't, And what's
that going to do those families?

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Right?

Speaker 3 (28:10):
And even up to going to going to the hospital,
I decided I was just going to give the first names.
And my cousin said, listen, they know what years you
work there.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
If you don't tell them.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
The exact means, they're going to go in there and
go over every single file and that's going to be
even worse.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
So family's there, right, So that she was the one
to give me that advice to give the names, okay,
and as far as you know, because these people reshowed
any of the police agencies where they may reside to
tellify that you've told them this, or did you tell
them any kind of confidence in the I told them.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
They said they promised them they wouldn't tell anyone. Okay,
But basically the impliance was if I didn't get help
right then they'd be on the phone the next day.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
So did you tell them bigically?

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Then I told them I told them in the ninety before.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
I went Okay, So Thursday night, yeah, use your off
Friday morning. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
That's basically what they said was, you know, if you
haven't gotten help Friday, then work onstive places.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
We love you, but we're consively. Yeah, it's probably sposed
that they had a obligation right yeah, yeah, getting moral
albigation run or real they saw right now? Yeah, what
medications are hell? Right now?

Speaker 3 (29:29):
I'm taking.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Flu walks.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
I mean it's called blue walks, two hundred milligrams. It's
uh anti sessional and then anti depressant.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Okay, I'm taking the three.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Hundred milligrams of Circo, which is an anti psychotic, and
they opted that when as I can age okay, which.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Is really alps clear my thinking has it good.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
And then I'm taking a couple of blood pressure medications
and then I've got some blocks of tenes from when
I get really at take this.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
And when we left the hospital, you had taken I
believe in habiband is that right?

Speaker 3 (30:06):
I took two milligrams of out evan when we left
the hospital, right, which was you guys not at the
time one story or something like that, right, Yeah. Yeah,
and I've had nothing since, okay, And.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
I know that's the doctor. Doctor combrobided with the prescription there.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah. And he also give me to lots of teams. Yeah,
and it was very strict and enough to take them
till all the interviews they're over, because they will start
to interfere with my thinking and then that needs to
the interviews.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, exactly. And do you feel that you're about the
clear soundline right now? Yes? I do. A person with
me in this room, yep. And everything that you're telling
me is is the truth and the best that you've done. Yes, Yes,
I could. I could appreciate where you're coming from as
far as the work that you went through. Obviously, I've

(31:00):
never been a nurse and I've never worked in in
the perversion that you that you did, but I could
imagine how overwhelming it was. YEA, having a lot of responsibility,
maybe not having the support of the administration or for
your supervisors, you know, just kind of go over and
get it done right, and and that could be I
can see how that would be stressful, and I could
see how that would drive give me the into your

(31:21):
addiction into other things. But I want to just go
over this document. If that's something you okay, would you
be under that with me?

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah, And you mean do you do your.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Things'll be sorry, absolutely not. This is pretty excuse me, major,
I've only ever had parking tickets. I've never been arrested
for anything.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Well, like I said, you're not under a restaurant now,
but it is. It is a very significant investigation. You're right,
I understand, and like I said before, but I do
appreciate you speaking with us and can imagine that. Did
you feel like a weight off your shoulders? Yes? So
did you been carrying a.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Burden for quite some time and I try to get help.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, yeah, Well sometimes it takes a few attempts to
to finally commit to it. Right.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, I had a pastor that I told me you
prayed over remain and told me I'd be fine, and
that was sous grace.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
And when was that? That was? Uh? How we've.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Two thousand and thirteen?

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Okay, yeah, and you you kind of culs to what
had happened to your to you to that point you're
like with yees invoting these people. Yeah, okay?

Speaker 3 (32:37):
And where was that that was here in town?

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Do you want his name if you want or some
meg that's up to you sometime. I don't know, Sorry,
it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Did I just say because I was number fourteenth, let's.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Just hounsand A sixteen okay? Yeah, okay, alright, So so
be before we get into this. I know that there's
a statement which we have and that I've watched where
you attendive the station in Toronto that sixty two division.
Is that correct? Yes? That's okay. I honestly I think
it was Detective Hamilton, and I honestly can't remember any
other detective names now I don't start it with an A.

(33:25):
And you met with them for uh, I was gonna
say about an hour and a half. That was not
And at that point you had your possession a photocopy
of this document, kay, and you went through and you
read it out, yes, okay. And then following that, they started,
uh with the first name on the list, and they

(33:45):
wanted to just try and be a little bit more
detail of yea, of of the involvement in each circumstance. Okay, yeah, right, okay,
that's what I'd like to do today and just get
some more details. Okay, Okay, So well, it is it is.
But I think that to you and I think we
can get through it together.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah, I'm sure we can as long as you're patient
with me.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
I'm I've got all the time. Little I'm not going.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Anywhere because I'm physically comfortable.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
It's a nice chair. But yeah, okay, anytime you need
to get up and wander around, if you it's like
I said, if you want to take a break and
have me leave and just kind of stretch your legs
and whatever the kids may be, you go ahead, okay, Okay,
if you have to use a wah fun anytime to something,
you know, all right, okay, Because like I said, I'm
I'm yours as long as we need to be. Okay, Okay,
I'm not pressuring you to uh just stay any longer

(34:33):
than you want to, but I think that. I think
if we just kind of sit down and go through this,
like I said, we'll get through it together. Yeah. I'm
I'm a pretty patient person, and I'm you're to just
listen to what you have to tell me, okay, Okay, okay,
And like I said, I I appreciate it. Okay, So
how about we just do this together. I'm to bring

(34:53):
this over here, is that okay?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (34:55):
So I'm not gonna have you read through this entire
document because I've already you already did that, right, I
have written it, I have read it, I have you know,
lifted so yeah, absolutely so, mister Silcox. Yeah, okay, September
of two thousand and seven.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah, right, first one that died as a result of.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
What I did. Okay, And before you get into that,
you have signed some kind of page numbers all that
kind of stuff on your to these documents. So we'll
just go in order of how you've written it, okay.
And I know that the detectives in in Toronto kind
of had this in their position and just kind of
value to recall some things. Yeah, I'm just gonna keep

(35:34):
it here because I mean, you've already written this out,
so what's on here is we already know that. I
just have some follow up question, is okay? This with
regards to each circumstance. So, mister Silcox, it says here
you're working at double shift from three.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Till seven, right, three pm to seven am?

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Right okay? And this was that pressing care yes okay
in Woodstock, Yes okay. And tell me about your your
knowledge of of James and and your daily interactions joinership
with him.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
I didn't see him every time. He wasn't always my
nu patient. I just knew from what uh people had
said that he would grow up uh the nurses, uh
press and uh fetix and he would say horribly in
appropate things.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
About his life that now he was there, you know.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
He was gonna fuck all of us, she was gonna
fuck all of us, uh cause just would say the
sort of things. And he just touched me and appropriately went.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
And where was that on the right unress? Okay? And
were you alone in the room at that point? He did? Yeah, okay.
Who did he have a roommate at all? Did you
have a roommates?

Speaker 3 (36:39):
I he knocked a He wasn't a single, so he
was either in a double room or a quadruple thing.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Okay, would you remember any other residents that would be
a room with another time or no? No, from what
portion of the home was? What was James at this point?

Speaker 3 (36:54):
He was in the head in the east wing, suss wing,
norse of he was in the north went was halfway
down and he was either in a double bed or
a quadruple bed.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Okay, alright. And the the diagnosis of of his health
at at the time you were caring for him.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
You remember he was both hit surgery and he had dementia.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Do you remember how old he was approximately? No, I
don't have to see it.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Say yeah, and sorry he was not a diabetic, not
a diabetic and sorry you said he had dementia, yeah, okay,
but you've also know the tears.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
One right, yes, okay, So tell me about the night.
Uh was it the first person that you did this too?

Speaker 3 (37:42):
That I that I tried? Well, there were other people
that donn too, who didn't die prior to James, prior
to dance.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Okay, he who dies, right, But there's some other people
who didn't die, right, So I can't read that first name. Okay,
So that was I mean, they're both the Thumber two,
seven and seven, but that would before James. Yeah, okay,
So was this your first attempt at at what were

(38:09):
goosing these people on insulin? Yes?

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Because tell love was and I didn't really want her
to die.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I just I don't know.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
I was just angry and has this sense beside me
that she might be a person that God wanted back
with them? And is that that feeling you're friends that
you had in your stomach some things?

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah? Okay? Is that is that the point? And I
need to get off of topic here, but the point
where you had these feelings in your stomach and all
of that laughter after it happened, Yeah, is that the
part that you didn't tell doctor con Yeah, okay, okay,
I just wanted to be cleared.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
I told him about the laughter and me stomachs, but
not the feeling that this might be the person that
God wants.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Okay. I just sounded sus to this. It's your feelings, right, and.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
I felt like I wanted to use me, and he
kept Doctor Khn asked me if you think I was
killing me for a special purpose. I kept saying no,
because that did not sound like a special purse.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
No.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yeah, So but yeah, I just had a sense that
to my marriage, woke up that God was gonna use
me for something. And then after a while I started
to really wonder, after some of the murders in tip
with God or if it was a devil.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Fool in me, did you feel like you were doing
the right thing for you too? No?

Speaker 3 (39:28):
No, I felt like I was doing what I was
supposed to do, but it was.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Mobiles right for them, So James, then it was an
evening that this one took place right. Yeah, she says,
you're in about nine thirty. Yeah, let me true.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
How about final surgery? I gave him a dose of
H fifteen milligrams that influenced not non diabetic, so I
went into it. I used a borrowed into ten borrowed
influence and gave him an insulin shot. And at three
thirty the tso well throughout the ninety was yelling out,
I love you and I'm sorry it's not sense not

(40:11):
to me, but just you could hear him falling out
in his room, and that's what he was falling out.
And then at three thirty the uh psow just came
to me and said that he was fond.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Okay, So I did what we're supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
I went listened to his heart and chest, called the doctor,
called the family because that's what they wanted. Family came
in and said with him for a while. Doctor came
in and UH said that his cause of death was
from an amboism did to his UH close hit. He's

(40:45):
had a he had a hit surgery? Doctor real did emalism?
Did a post hip surgery?

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Lay. Who do you think he was starting to when
he was yelling at I love you?

Speaker 3 (40:56):
I thought it meante his his family?

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Okay, I really did.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
When they came in and talked to me, they wanted
to know if he said anything, So I told him
that I was still to change.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, so I shange. Yeah, when you were speaking with
the family, Yeah, and is that the uh the family
that kind of commend to do for the work that
you had done then?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah? How'd that make your friend awful? Yeah? Absolutely awful?
How did you deal with it? I just went home
much better, you know, I felt awful.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Maybe I fought with my girlfriend, did some exercising, you know,
did some views in the computer, and just tried to
forget about it.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Did you have an UH have a problem sleeping on
I did all or you?

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Well, I was working nights, so I was mad the
day then I would say I thought been turned a bit. Yeah,
sounds pretty bad, and I just want to do the
family again. So I tried to make sure I.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Wasn't working when they came to stick up the stuff
and Clin wasn't. And what room do you remember the
like a room number or just la No, it was
down the nerth one the wing. Yeah, okay, when you
and where did you get the insulin from for games?
For mister stollaphox, you said you had taken to that one.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
The insulum was kept in a fridge in the medication room.
We had two medication rooms in soul was kept in
a fridge in the medication room. And uh, extra pens
were captain in the drawer, so you could just say
somebody who had someone was admitted and you needed to
depend to hurry, so you just flip the ansil room
a pen and put the navel on and dial up

(42:41):
the dose and give it.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
And how was that document to know that so that
Crest Care would know that you were taking that things
like it didn't keep traffic him on Okay, So it
was just uh something that was available for the nurses
use when they either appropriate for the circusations.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yes, now each TASI has their own inform, right, and
maybe somebody noticed. Somebody may have noticed that a lot
of influence was missing.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
If a lot was used.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
But I was always careful to these different people, different
people than influence.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yes, all right, And mister Silcox and where where did
you inject him fling into his body? I'm not really sure.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
I'm gonna say his arm or his uh sorts of?

Speaker 1 (43:26):
And did he know what was going on at that point?

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Not really?

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Was he? Uh? Was he a verbal patient? Like? Could
he kicked?

Speaker 3 (43:34):
He didn't really converse? He did a while he was
yelling at don't really remember him reacting.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Then I gave it to him so he didn't react.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
I I don't remember him reacting, know, Okay?

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Would he maybe just think it's sort of a regular
portion of his day? And how does he hear any
medications that he he so required?

Speaker 3 (43:51):
I would the today?

Speaker 1 (43:52):
I do not? Just okay, yeah, alright? Is there anything
else you can remember? Mister sillpous.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
His wife and daughter about them a lot?

Speaker 1 (44:08):
And how does that mean you could crappy?

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Horrible? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:17):
He yeah, like I said, he could be a bit
of a handful, but you know, he ate and drink normally.
He took a silver when he told him to. So
nothing else I can really remember about him. But this is,
you know, nine years ago, so it's water.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
M Yeah, how long a story?

Speaker 3 (44:40):
When did you break up with your your husband? I
did twenty seven, two thousand seven? Oh no, no, I
broke up with him in uh end of January, beginning
of February two thousand or seven.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Okay, okay, so it was quite some time, just September.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Until you actually yeah, right, I guess by that time,
I've been in new relationship with a woman.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Okay, who was that?

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Her name was Maureen? Kay?

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Did you ever disclosure her what you were doing?

Speaker 2 (45:11):
No?

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Absolutely no. So you just kind of went about your
thing with mister Silcox. Yeah, went home that they did.
You're finna have some exercise and computer games? Want to sleep?
Did you work again that next day? I don't remember.
I don't know. Do you remember who you would have
been working with on that occasion? No? No, no, don't story.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Are you okay?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, I just do a lot of visiting. Okay, that's okay, Hey,
you're not bothering me. I just wanna make sure that
you're comfortable.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Yeah, okay, okay, I need something else.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
To do it. Okay, you got your Do you remember
who your supervisor would have been enough one, Well that
would be Hellen. That was the head nurse.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah, she was always like whoever was on as the
nurse was the charge nursey.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
So I was the charge nurse. And at night, so
I as a church nurse.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
From three two eleven and I was in church of
UH one two, three, four, five, six, seven eight PSWs
and I was there, yeah, and then there was two
other wings, and so at night as a church nurse,

(46:25):
I was responsible to look after the RPN on the
other side, I sew resource heerver. There were four PSWs
on that side and four PSW's on the n side
of nine people. Kay, and then missus from me.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Of course she wasn't around the knight okay, chere. Yeah.
So she's who the al She's who we all answered to.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
She was.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Her and the expect to the director of Branta. H.
I don't remember about the names. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
I'm probably gonna Pascal because you like the.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Most funny do So as far as mister Siltons goes
then decides what you were feeling in your stomach and
besides that, you thought that this was a purpose that
you were given on from your relationship for after breaking
up with your husband or they he you indicate that
he wasn't a very nice man. No?

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Did Is that a fortunate.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
I don't know or I wonder if.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
That's a portion of how I chose him? And afterwards
I did feel a release and a release and like
a release of pressure.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Okay, because throughout this document and as we go through it,
a lot of these people you kind of described him
as as not very nice people. Yeah right, Yeah, So
I'm not sure if that's ah a tendency or uh
a pattern that we see as far as is that
why you chose him with people?

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah, I'm not it might be, but I also know
I just felt like they were the one, right, I
had a feeling the side that they were.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
The ones before before you injected into what did mister Silcox?
Was it a spur of the home thing? Had you
thought about it that? Uh when you were reported for duty?
Have three talking the afternoon, let's start thinking about it
about six at night, I think, okay, And do you

(48:25):
remember who the pronouncing doctor would have been.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
No, how did that?

Speaker 1 (48:28):
How did that process work? That process?

Speaker 3 (48:30):
The way it worked was, uh person's sound was no
vital signs. Nurse goes in with a stethoscope, listens for
one minute. If there's no heartbeat no uh a, long sounds,
nurschos and calls the doctor on call.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Okay. There was also a sheet that.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
We had to fill us if thought it was a
corner's case.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
In this case, I don't believe you thought it was.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
And then family is called and the doctor mays coming
in the pronounce in the morning. Family can come in
and visit the bodies any time. So then the TSWs would.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Get the the body ready. Okay, So prior to the
doctor announcing in the morning, the family could come in
and spend time.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Yeah, so the ts ws would get clean him up,
put on you know, putting the clean riches.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
And we're clean up the bed and stuff. Right. So
you said, you said, mister Silcox, you said we didn't
think it was a corner's case.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Who who?

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Who? I don't know what did that been. I guess
I'm using the royal wy Okay, okay, So would that
be just a decision that you were trusting telling me, no.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
There's a there's a form okay on the computer, and
you go down through it.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
And if it cause if you pick off anything that
says yes, you know if had the corner okay, alright,
but you would have clicked off those boxes yourself, yes, okay,
So obviously knowing that you had done this, mister Silcox,
did you feel that you wouldn't click? Yes, so the
attention wouldn't be drawn to you.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
You know, I honestly can't remember if he was climber case,
you know, he might have been that I would even
though I did this to these people when I get there.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Let's see it's it's phrased us.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Does anyone have a reason to believe that the steps
was not natural?

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Right? So, yeah, I would click. I wouldn't click that
much if I had mine? Yeah, right, all right? And
I just wanted to clarify that. Yes, that's just a question. Okay,
anything else you can think about this from us or sots? No? Okay, Maurice,

(50:41):
that's what you count as Force's last name, knap Okay,
So tell me a little bit about Maurice that said
that this occurred in September or or October twenty Yes,
sorry to pass until and this was up present care. Yeah,
tell me a little bit of road you're inter option
with Maurice.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
He was another one who liked to grab the rest
to Nassis, he was sometimes a pace in the mind.
See at that time, I wasn't I didn't have a
set flour that.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
I worked on.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
I worked on all the different floors of the nurse
guid of filling in.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
So uh he was.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
One afternoon as orcanism and he did grab me, and
again I got that feeling inside that this.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Is his time to go.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
So I gave him an overdose of the poe after supper,
and uh, I believe he died.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
The next day. And what was your ships that do
you remember? It were to be out three pm? Yeah,
two of them pm eleven pm? So what about he died?
He died when I wasn't there, okay, And he was
known for it, so that you were grabbing the stass
breast and asked his yes, okay. And do you remember

(51:54):
who you would have been working with at that point? No, okay?
Do you remember where Maurice.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Was with the Crescent Car Yet he goes down in
the north wing. I think he was in a in
a double room on the right hand side.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Yeah. Do you remember who and the roomates with him
at all?

Speaker 3 (52:13):
No? I don't, but I do remember that when he
started going down how afternoons when over does they moved
him to the Tallie's hair room right by the dah
nurses death Okay?

Speaker 1 (52:25):
And at what point of the day do you think
that you started think you said the sort of book
just to confirm what what time of the DVD was
when he had injected him.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
With Nane Jackson. It was afternoons, being the fourth thirty
five thirty okay, right?

Speaker 1 (52:43):
And what was his reaction to was heming mcn incent Ah?

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yeah, it was just kind of like, oh, okay, and
he said the doctor wants to about the regiment show.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
That's what I'd usually say. And was he able to
meet a cave? Wasly verbal or verbal? Could converse?

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Not totally, but he could say something.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Alright? And did he question the spider him and shout
at all? No? And he passed away the next day? Yeah, okay.
So even that you weren't there when you'd passed away,
you wouldn't have been the one checking the boxes.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
So do you know by chance what nurse would have
been responsible for? Uh? No, I don't know. Okay. Did
you ever have any concerns that he didn't pass away
while you were working and that you know it's the
system may have arrived? No, I know I didn't. I well,

(53:42):
yes I did a little bit.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
I always wondered if they'd find the site where it
gave a shot and something. You know, they've give me
an investigation.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
I always wondered. Up And even though if it passed
through your mind, did you just and continued on about
your duties? Yup? Okay? And do you remember what part
of the body he would have been injected in? Oh?

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Maybe nobody? Cause at back when he didn't have a
lot of body fat so maraiced or not, he didn't know.
And when you the a self continuous injection that goes
in to the body.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Fat so and you documented that he was a cancer picture?
Yes okay. Do you remember what I thought cancering he got?
I think it was pop straight, rusting top straight, yes okay?
And what was the what did the out come uh
hold for his future? As far as the cancer and
his body he was fi? How old do you think
Rice was.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Seventy five, seventy.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Six, right, that's right. He wasn't a double room.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Yeah you believe it was a double roon ya?

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Kay? Do you remember who he had been working with
that day? Same supervisor with any church regard to nurse. Yeah, sorry,
I that's okay, it's so far. It's a long time ago.
I mean, obviously it's a significant event in your life,
but it's a long time ago. Yes, I know, I'm
not I don't. I'm not concerned that you can't remember

(55:10):
every question that I ask you. That's you. Just if
you can do the best that you can, that's all
I can ask for. Okay, Okay, anything else you can
remember about Marie's at all? Not really? No? No, okay,
do you know what? Did you then? There were people
who loved them, That's what I remember. I don't love

(55:31):
the others who loved Marie? Who did you know about?

Speaker 3 (55:36):
He had friends that would come REVISI that would like family.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
A man? The Woman's that all I member? And how
would it make you feel when when res passed away?
Love it? And what happened from rins?

Speaker 3 (55:54):
I just uh, well, I wasn't there when he passed away.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
I did. I didn't work that day. Do you remember
if you work the next day? I might have.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
I know when I found out that he died, I
often saw long it took him.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Have you ever read the no just to see where
to go? Okay and just getting a point out to
fit you with. Yeah, no fun, whatever you need. So
after you found out you've passed, you kind of rude
through the documents and yeah, do you remember seeing anything
that kind of said al who No, Nope, this isn't
a good thing for me. Nope. Okay.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
So and even if I had I been altered them
you could have or could not.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
The next person on your list is Helen Mattheson. Yeah, okay,
So you go from September or October o seven, Yeah,
and then Helen was two thousand and eleven. Yeah, what
what happened between those years?

Speaker 3 (56:49):
I think come the ULCs or the orth that happens
at ten.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
You know where you've no. Nine Yeah, okay, okay, then
we'll get to yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Okay, how would I don't remember a lot about she
was very quiet, very determined, just seemed to be waiting
to die again. I had that feeling that you know,
this was the one and I made a bit of
a fuss about her that night because she was very
lucids and we talked about how much she liked blue,

(57:23):
very thigh and ice cream. Okay, so on my on
my break, I went to uh Walmart, I got a
small blueberry pie into ice creams and brought it to
her and she's three or four bites. And then that
night I overdone stairs cause, like I said, I had
that feeling that it was her time to go.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
And what do you mean by that? I think she
was was the end of the life of that poor
You know that she was the person to go to
and that was in your mind in your story?

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Where was that feeling in my capit area?

Speaker 1 (57:54):
And after I did it?

Speaker 3 (57:55):
I got that laughter?

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Okay? When would you feel that laughter? Would you feel
it right after you injected it or once the person
passed away? Both? Yeah? Boh okay? And Hellen, was you
did hear that she wasn't a diabetic? No, just had
a curiosity how much inform would it take to kill someone? Yeah,

(58:18):
that wasn't a diabetic or I don't know, you don't
know that? No, So it was kind often that you
didn't know that as a nurse that this amount or no,
there is no set amount.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
And I'm just I I yea simply just don't know
that answer. Okay. Alright, So different people would reactively to
different amounts of that first yes, yeah, And and would
obviously make a difference if they were a diabetic or
not a diabetic. Yeah, I believe she died the next
day and it said, uh, I don't hear. The doctor

(58:51):
departed her to be a positive and she died two
days later. Okay. And do you remember how much info
them that you had given out sixty? I don't know.
And where would you throught that from from?

Speaker 3 (59:04):
From the same supply as you always get it?

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Okay? Do you remember where Ellen was in in Christmas
r Yes.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
She was on the south wings and probably about four
doors down from the nursing stations in the dumble rooms
on the little right hand side. Did your face in
the end, she was on the right hand side.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
You don't say a lot of negative things about telling
your did you did you get along with the okay?
Did she ever do anything to to harm you or no? No,
she was very quiet.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
It was just like how that feeling that is, you know,
she's next, as is time.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
So and uh, her health at that point was for
diagnosis she was.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
I couldn't tell your diagnosis, just that she was. She
didn't get he to bed a lot and she had
to be expect your food her filled.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
So she was she was near her end of life.
Oh do you think Helen was when this happened?

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Says those eighty five or eighty six?

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
And do you remember what doctor would have Were you
there when she passed away the two days later? I
don't think so? Do you don't think so? She won't
would be which watch doctor pronouncetrat.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
When you teach sure when some pid ease, whenston that's
time was there for she said, I had just kind
of leaves though we didn't, you know, have anything in
this one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
So so if you issued an insulin injection to somebody, Helen,
for instance, do you remember where Helen was injected? Probably
her arm? Okay, so do you remember if she had
a reaction at all? A reaction? Did you know if
she confronted you and what you were doing at all?

(01:00:56):
Was she able to she meant to now wish used
to getting in I don't know she was all right,
but she wasn't combative or the person to shake confront
of you and ask you what you were doing? No, okay, right?
And and you said once once you gave them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Their insulin, did you just I just kind of I
tried to stay away from us sometimes I was very
interested to see what was happening. I would just try
to stay away from us.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Would you ever go back into their rooms if while
they were so alive, to see kind of how they were.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Progressing through that, if they were if they were my
if they were many at charge, Yes, I had to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Even though you had attepted to take their lives. Yeah,
and you would. What kind of sentoms would they show?
Is it different for everyone?

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Or well, usually they get very diaphyretic read so they
could lose consciousness. They'd shake some people, one person have seizure.
I think it was just one person. Two people stroked
right out right after Steve when they not right after,

(01:02:10):
but they strove out over time and seen actually three
people cause they believed gave a stroke out as well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
So yeah, okay, okay, okay. November two thousand eleven, Marry
is your last? Yeah, how you procrolled? When I was
kind of lost and being pronounced yeah, and this was
that person care Yeah, apparently said that she wasn't a diabetic,

(01:02:41):
but she had to venture. That's right, that she could
talk with me and tap a lot married tru Yeah
she was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
She was, uh fight sty what she Yes, she didn't
hurt the nurses, right, and she's just very sposed to fight.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
See.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
And one night she said, you know I'm gonna die tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Marriage to that, yeah, And I said oh, and she.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Said, yeah, why don't you get me into the Why
don't you get me into the death beds? I can
die nice?

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Are you sure? She said? Guess what we did better?
I'm didn't die.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
So I said okay, and then went to the other
nurse that was working with me, and uh, she said, oh, okay, Well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Let's put it in the side of care room if
that's what you want. So we did.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
And then I thought, well, sh she must be the
next one. I had a feeling decided me she want
to be the next one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Because she was saying she was gonna die, but there's
no science she was wouldn't die.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
So I gave her another dasen one. Well, she became
paliatied and she died.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
I thinks thin a couple of days. I think, yeah,
so she said, nached up and that's what you've made
an old order book your age. Well, first there which
one has the vodkay in it? No answer from him?

(01:04:05):
So where was that in relation to where she was?

(01:04:45):
Where was Mary? And Christian?

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
She was down the suttlings, a couple of rooms down
from these, the h down from the nurse's office. And
she yeahked us, we did put her in the tide of.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Set And would that be a decision that you would
make her or someone else would have to make? Together?
We made it. A supervisor wouldn't have to say, okay,
now go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Now we'd have we had enough autonomy that if we
thought someone was plative, we could call the doctor, tell
them what was going on, move him, move the person
to the patiative bed, and get orders her patitive care.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Can do you remember how much of when you would
have given married?

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
I think she may have been the first person that
I gave long acting and short action too together.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Okay, I think, I think, and you just what the
h the actual obvious uh in the title of it
is the actual brought itself long acting in short acting?
What was the biggest difference between the two.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
One one drops your bloods the right away. The other
starts working through your body and dropping it gradually over
a long period of time. That just keeps dropping it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Okay. And what would the combination of those two do together? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
You know, I didn't know for sure, but I figured
it if you meant stronger than just a short acting right, kay?

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Which makes sense. Yeah, you wouldn't know more than I would.
But do you remember where you injected married? Uh? Probably
her ner And I told her. I told her it
was her pain. And you know she was in a
single room on the double room.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Well, we had moved her from the double room to
the uh Tiotes care room right kidder corner from the
nurse's office.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
So where did you inject her? In? The out of
bed or order?

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Hia is dead okay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
And she she had vocalized to you that she thought
that she was gonna tie that night.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Yeah, though I said, okay, she must be the one
when I gave the ins one, I thought that feeling
inside and the lost her.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Yeah. Has she ever said something that like is something
to you before her? But wanted to dine m not
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
No, she was like I wanna die. I wanted to
have wan to die tonight with being dead, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Die And that was new to you. Yes, do you
remember what ship you were looking? Afternoon?

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Three eleven?

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Kay?

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
And about what time do you think you would have
moved her to the Palace of Bedend? And remember.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Might have been after suffer soil about seven.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
And Mary ever dying to harm you were no, I'll
set you anyway. No, Oh, she had fun? Okay, she
was so, she was spunky and and it was spoken, yeah, okay.
Do you remember being president when she died? I don't
think I was right, and therefore probably wouldn't be a

(01:07:41):
part of checking the boxes. No, No, I didn't know
the boxes for her? Who was there a scenery a
regular basis looking the scenery? I don't know. No, do
you know if she had family? Mean, you had fun,
but I don't know, alright, And and Mary being well

(01:08:13):
rere furthering the here is your fourth victim for yeah, no,
the fourth person that had we that you were successful
and uh and you dis on injections. How did your
emotions start to to feel it? How long you kept continuing?

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
I kept having a lot of guilt with a lot
of guilt Mary. Well, as you'll see, after Mary was
Gladas and after Gladdus there was a period.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Of two years or or I didn't do it three
years before I didn't do it. What was going on
in your life with that one?

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
I was trying very very hard to get close to
God to make sure this wasn't him, and to just
live my life, read the Bible, go to church and
not do that cause I didn't want to do it anymore.
So I tried very hard. I'm still using a little.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Bit hys yeah, and alcohol? Yeah. What was your drink choice? Rye? Yeah?
So I shouldn't say it like that, but I would
it sound like it's yeah right, would you right? Bailes? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Yeah, pop a rye and pop down some water yeah
yeah ryan water?

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Kay? And uh? Particularly how much would you would you
drink in a week? The week?

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
Probably buddies and night Yeah, yeah, you like shots of
rye or uh drinks, but I don't know from the shots.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Okay, if you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Gonna go away shots, I know you a drink, so
like three times nine twenty seven?

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Okay, so you'd be drinking triples? Yeah, alright? How would
that make you feel? In combination with the hydromorphers and
oh I never did.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
It was the HydroD mars.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
No, it was the other one of the other other
one or the other.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Okay, So the.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Goods is more just for when I didn't have the
hydro mars and if I was going out. But I
think what it was people I always winna, let's say,
by myself and just and just scratch oning tickets and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Too blood and yeah, I would drink and and do
my speculum.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Yeah kay m.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yeah. The significant and disturbing as this may be, id
the people that are gonna hear this and and and
learn about this. Obviously there's a lot of uh families
that were into contact. Yeah, and and s too. Although
this wasn't and I hate too classify it as a
different areas, but these were necessarily violent desk Like, how

(01:11:04):
did do you think that people like peaceflee? Did they
struggle at all?

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
All the people that you've talked about so far, I
got peacefully, in my opinion, And I am sorry. I'm
sorry for what the family is going through at the time,
and I'm extremely sorry for what they're.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Going to do there. I it's awful. If you could
say something to the mom inter station.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
What can you say to them that would matter? I'm sorry,
isn't enough. I should have gotten help sooner. I took
something from me that was precious and was taken too soon.
I honestly believed at the time that God wanted me

(01:11:51):
to do it. But I know now that's not true.
And uh, if I could take it back, if I
could get help sooner, I would have the next story.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
And like I said, any I admire you for ever.
Whether it took one year or two years, ten years,
whatever it took for you to finally get helped us,
that's a big start. Thank you, right, I mean you
could have been in this situation and taking this to
your grave? Yes, and who would have done? Right that?
What I was hope to do? By a lawyer?

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
What's that take it to my grave?

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
And I'm telling it is So you've confided in a
lawyer as a long of this A long time ago? Yeah?
Was it? After all of these people?

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
It was in two thousand and fourteen before I uh
think before you went to welland or yeah, yeah, the
rehobital soner.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
So you spoke to a lawyer, spoke to a lawyer,
and that she was the one told me to get out.
I need to just for the record, and uh so
was documented. I have six twenty six. Let's just take
a break. Okay, you remember where you're going, h Elsea?

(01:13:36):
Do you anything else? All?

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
You sure?

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
No? I have a caramel oh did you perfect? Just
for the record here, I have sickness thir d And
I will just resume things. Okay, okay, okay, okay, yup, Okay,

(01:14:08):
we're gonna carry on. Yep. That's so. Gladys so always
takes us to November two thousand and eleven at Crescent Care.
It says you're Gladys was a type two diabetic and
had dementia? Is it your dementia? Did she? You know?
How old do you think Gladys was?

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Ninety ninety two?

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Ninety two? Kay? And where was Gladys within Cressing Care,
East Wings, three George down.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
From the main up in a double room?

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Kay? Do you remember her roommates at all? Yeah? No?
And and I obviously these are repetitive questions. And yeah,
you might remember some of the roommates through uh as
it go along here, So that's why just keep asking
the same questions. Tell me a little bit about glass.
What did she would you like when you heard her?

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Well, when I first started caring for her, she was
walking and talking and she had quite the spirit. She was.
She punished a man, hope because uh she she overheard
the nurses telling one of the gentlemen, no, you can't
push your wife around and you have to come with us.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
And she turned around and.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
She says, you can't treat a woman like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Oh, and hit the mats and hits the man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
So then we're all in a state of trying to
keep them from fighting with each other and trying to
keep them from.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Hurting out right. Yeah, she was. She very spunky, she was.
But she went down downhill fast, did she?

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Eventually?

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
She was?

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
She had dementia, didn't take her fills well, didn't eat well.
Very step woman, And uh, there's always funny evening. I
just got that red serving feeling that she was gonna
be the ones and gave her insul an overdose.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Did you ever heart that feeling outside of work? No,
it's never No. Did you ever get that feeling going
to work knowing that but something was gonna happen at shift? No? No,
what's happened at work? So if I ever to use
a phrase spur of the moment. Would it be something
that you would just.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
Have that feeling come on or yeah, I guess it
in the moment, but it was did you start happening,
you know, focused on one patience and then I would
feel that red sturgeon, which is what.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Made me think it was good. Okay, which I'm so embarrassed,
but like I said, I'm not here to judge you, right,
n no, Right. You explain that it was difficult for
towards the end giving her rebills. Do you remember what
you were working with? Uh, the shift from inject their glass.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
I believe I was working. It was either working night
or days, okay, cause I know it was close to
the end of my shift. Okay, now I did it,
and the person who him on the next shift, I
think it was nice. So the first and if on
the next shift after all over and starts called the
doctor and how to make how he does and started

(01:17:10):
around the pains pain regimen.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
And do you remember how much influence you gave her?
I know, do you remember if it was long or
short or imber?

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
I probably at that point I think it was giving
on the body of next.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Okay, So once once Mary was the first person you
said that you gave the long and the short I
can do, yes, and then following that it was enough
but a again a pressing character. Ye, was that inflent
taken from the same location as yes, you always would.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Yes, okay, your cameras and in the bedroom No.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
No, no, nothing at all. No, okay, so you could
access whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
You like and well, not whatever you like, but yeah,
because an even keep tracking the influence.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Yeah, the insulin needs to get value. Yeah, like the
injectable bioce.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Yeah, it's really easy to take messag from there. And
well didn't stir. I was gonna ask a question, but
we didn't that they don't really. Do you know how
long it took for a bodys to die?

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
I I believe she done the next pastern or that afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
And do you know if you're a present for that? No,
it was not, so therefore wouldn't have been a part
of that, the process of of the pronouncing checking the
box no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
When someone's dying, it seems like it takes longer than
it does if you're around.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
If you know what I mean, I do. Yeah, And
the stories that you know about thank you as far
as class goes, do you remember if you worked the
next day that to learn about a bios of death?

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Or I think I worked two days later. I think
it was the day after her death.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Whenever, that was okay? What would play through your mind
on on your days where you injected so glass, for instance,
you inject her. You worked nights, that says here, so
eleven til seven, you did this at five o'clock, you
go home and carry on about if you have one,
two or three days off, whatever the case was. What
was going to your mind on working off? Were you
thinking when when five was gonna die?

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
I would wonder if she had died, I would wonder,
you know, if this would be the time I would
get caught? You know what was I going every time?

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Every time I walked in after somebody had passed away,
I've always wondered if this day I'm gonna get caught?
What kind of consequences play through your head? Of a
like if you did, damn, I'm I'm caught? The games off?
What what kind of consequences you think during phase? If
I thik that word time happen? Five in two thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
Eleven fired jail, No more nursing lessons n exactly what
I'm looking at now a lot because myself I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Was instead of being fired but or she at no
more ner fele I as far as in two thousand
eleven one in and having that feeling like when did
those feelings start to say in your mind like wonder
if this is the time I'm gonna get caught? Been right? Yeah?
Probably every time? Okay, yeah, okay, I'm gladys. Do you

(01:20:28):
think uh uh did she have a reaction when you
injected her? She fought a lot, that did she? Yeah?
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
That she struggled around? So I kind of thought on
her life that I could do where she couldn't reach
me in pension?

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Would that be something difficult if you were giving her vacation?

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
She didn't a pinch, pinch, scratch feel it for most.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
The comb imitations? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Yeah, And like even the the PSOs who had to
change her uh products, sometimes she fights them and scratch.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Them and tench them and twister hair and yeah. And
did you think that played into any part of your
actions with Glass, particular with times? I don't know, I
think some of the I think some of it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Did you know the stubbornness was stuff and yeah, just
kind of okay, you're the next one to go again.
There was always that red surgeon that I identified with
God telling me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
This is what you know, this is how you worked
for me. Did you ever try to fight that feeling?
Later on? I f you'll see, say, but when you
got that feeling in your chest and in the stomach,
would you would you directly go to get the influence?
Pretty much?

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
That says I had time with the rest of my job.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
How many patients would you be caring for their dream
on one shift? Thirty two? Were you'd be responsible for
all thirty two? Yeah? Thirty so each nerves would have
thirty two? Yeah nerves?

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Uh are registered practical owners or registered practical owners?

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Okay, so that's a busy day. And I know we
talked about it earlier, but again just to revisit that.
Do you do you think that's something that played into this?
I think the stress is the job. Oh yeah, I definitely.
Do you have a lot going on in your life?

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Yeah, I definitely the stress played into it. Maybe it
made me made my mind more susceptible to stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Did you ever go to work intox kid about alcohol?
Or drugs at all. Did you ever use that work?

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Yes, yes, often, probably once or twice a week.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Yeah. And when you were at Press and Care, where
would you die your marsh from?

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Oh, there's a number of ways you can get lost, right.
You can sign off that somebody who got there, sign
off that somebody wanted to PRM and take it instead.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Okay. You can uh take them their.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Regular medications and if they I'll be able to identify
it and take it instead.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
You can take the regular medication that's been capituls and
if they are evil to identify it. Open the castle,
take a step u the capital lack together again, given
the inc then the capital take it yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
And how would you typically adjust that? Dimors? I just
followed it. I never shot it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
I never smarted it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
Yeah, okay, mkay. And do you remember how much you
gave bought us.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Of the insulin? I think I gave her eighty sixty
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
And her reaction after after kind of hinged in him,
struggled a little bit with you, she relaxed, and then
by the time the next nurse came on, she was red.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
She was sweating. When she was in coherence, she her
buds saw it. Her vitals ons were all down.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
And how do you know that?

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Because I was just leaving when the next nurse came
on and she she has Soviet skinner her and said
something one on the pladet and she she said, come
with me, we have to go check on gloss. Yes.
I actually helped him with plata to the side.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
Of hair room.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Okay, your hearing out on my boards the whole time
that she was gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Say, what something I do? Do you think? Okay? Was
she still able to communicate at that point? No? Do
you remember when nurse that was that you moved? Karen?
I don't remember a last me.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
If I said some minute, if I sat them in
that I could probably remember, Well.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
There comes to you would just be one of those
things that falls in your head and if you went right, yeah,
reblish Karen Reige. Yes, she still there. Yeah, far as
I know. Okay, missus Helen Young. So this is where

(01:25:04):
you get how to do the gap again. Yeah, from
eleven to twenty thirteen with your successful injections, But there
was and there wasn't even any attempt now.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
You know, if I'm in November two thousand and eleven,
I came home from a cruise of the Caribbean, and
I was feeling guilty. I was feeling damned, I was
feeling confused. I feel like I just didn't want to
do it anymore. I was feeling like if I could

(01:25:34):
somehow connect with God strongly enough that I wouldn't do
it anymore. And so I've spent a lot of time
reading my Bible and praying and deciding I just wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Gonna do it anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
So I had the odd urge to do it, but
I resisted by going to church, reading.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
My bottom I'm praying and my thought I didn't believe
in that he wanted me to do it anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
What's your treatment to that one, I'm saying, oh, okay, So.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
As far as.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Fighting off that, would you still have that feeling like
that burning feeling sometimes? But I did a lot of
praying about it, and I would. I just did a
lot of praying, reading my Bible, getting very involved in
my in my face, getting very involved.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
In my church, right, okay, And obviously with what you've
told us so far, that it helped what you've documented.
Is there anything else that we need to be aware
of that happening between those times.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
No, no, okay, I didn't tell anybody or anything like.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
That, except for.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Then the the pastor started in.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
That was I told him after Helen young, okay, he
was after Helen, and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
I apologize for that, that's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
And they started not much to apologize for that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
So that was after Helen, right, okay. So Helen was
at Crescent Carrot where wash Where was Helen's room?

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
She was on a side I had been transferred to
a side which is the new unit, like were relatively
now than ten years old, as on the first floor.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
I was the church nurse to the first floor, and she.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
Was in the room closest to the nurses station.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Okay, where so where was he was that? Like? At
for me?

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Going?

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
I think ever to be corse a fight or closer
does a north job?

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
Si, there's a retirement homes. There's the wall, the Tiger
tyant tone to the UH.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
To the north King Home.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
States north point, there is solth plant, there's east lying
and then then it is always of the east winds.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
Is uh you know, one unit to the building right
on top of each other. And what was the purpose
of the area of present her?

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
It was it was all sing worm okay in a room? Yeah,
it was all ping ords but area alright? And Helen,
was it take two? I talked with dementia.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
Yeah, okay, tell me a little bit more about home.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
Uh. Hel was miserable.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
She frequently yellows helped me, nurse, She frequently yelled out.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
She wanted to die. She just was not happy with
her life.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
She was real wheel around in a wheelchair, saying, helping nurse,
help me, nurse, helping nurse, help me, nerves And when
you went to help her, what do you want help
with new banks? Get away with me, go away helping
herse popping nurse, didn't wanna eat, didn't want to drink.
It's very difficult to deal with. Constantly would yellow and

(01:29:34):
or we say, what do you want to help with?

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
I wanna die? Why can't you help me die? I
wanna die?

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
And one night it was like something snapped inside and
that red stearch came back, and I thought, okay, you
will pay so uh. I gave her a shot. I
came out to her and said this is true or cane,
and I gave her a shot of want acting or
short action, and she started to settle down, and then
later on we put it in her into bed and

(01:30:00):
I gave him more more of the UH insulin.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
I think that was long.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
I think she had a feature.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
She turned red.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
She was diaphoretic. The PSWs called me to the bed side.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
I took all of her by.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
Those signs, and I pretended to take a boat sugar because.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
It always normal somewhere, you got it? How did you
go about that with people? Deciper their ps W don't no,
don't let anybody see rest. No. But what I mean
is what I mean by that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
Is PSW's nurses. Some nurses focus on the meds.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
Right and treatment.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Okay, PSW is focus on like they were busy. They're
busy washing her, they were busy changing her, They're busy
dealing with the fact that she was having diarrhea. They
were not doing the part of the job I was
doing right, So they never would have noticed.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Where's my burger?

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
So they never would have noticed me not taken the
blocher cause I took her like I did your pauls.
I did everything else, so they wouldn't have noticed that
it didn't do that because they were visiting everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Okay, okay, you just said, almost, sugar's good. It's five
point six, she's good, which is a a number that
in your mind you you was average and nothing in
turning the five en sex or whatever. You said, Yeah, okay, okay,
do you remember worship you were working at this point afternoons?

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
I have straight three to elevens at that point and
straight three to eleven on on that ward. Okay, so
it started a little bit before once, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Okay, and that would have been an individual room when
you said, yes, okay, And do you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Remember when you ass your younger guy, uh once she
stands afterwards? If you do, you know if you were
a pred brother, No, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Was there a different procedure at all home when people
passed away in that in that wing upposed to where
you were prior to.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
No, it was all the same nursing home that it
was all the same policies, okay, cause it a that
nursing home. Was that wing of the nursing home was
built to accommodate the fact that the owner took over Narvella.
Oh okay, Norwich okay, So everybody from nearvilla don't moved
to the new part of the nursing home.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Okay, gotcha, So that's the other reason.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
Then eventually alhomics together, right, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
So being that it had had been a few years
then when you injected uh the MSUs young and you
were successful in in causing your death, how did it
make you feel after those few years, that is the
churches and these feeling to come back?

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
That sounds horrible. I felt angry at myself. I felt
like I had sailed myself.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
I felt like, though it failed me, could you continue
your practice in the truth. I continue going to church
yet believe them as much as.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
I did, but I was getting very confused. So it
was soon after that that I went to the pastor
and told him what had happened, and he prayed over me,
and cause he said that was lost to me, would
have thought him with me? And his wife was there too,
and they prayed over me, and they said to me, now,
this is God's.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
Grace, but if if you ever do this again, we
will have to turn you into the place. And where
would these come over with our conversation and taking.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
Now in their house at their kitchen table. And I
kept going to their church.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
And did how detail would you look at opposition? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
I had told I told him that I was taking
people's lives other in what.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
Were you specific the names? How much you know when
you were doing this? No, how many people?

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
I don't know if I told him how many people,
just that I was doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
I wanted to stop. And his response was to pray
for you and reason just couldn't put his hands on
me and have to supposed to his hands on me
and pray. What uh? What religion was that your freends? Okay? Yeah, alright?

(01:34:30):
Did Helen have any family that you were called with him?

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
She had a niece that loved her very much.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
And was there at least twa a week. Did you
ever converse with her before before she died? I guess yeah?
How old was she insane?

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
In the late fifties or was the sixties.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
The Nish in Helen or something? Nineties? Did you speak
to her following halt side friends? What one was time?

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
I think it was a day or two after when
she was gathering her stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
And she cried on my shoulder and thank me for
being a dinner and against the feelings of you at
that one.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
Oh guilt shames thing or like I had betrayed her
and not that I was betrayed, but betrayal that I
betrayed her?

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
And did you just play an emotion at this point
to her, I just.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
You know, few of her house back and said I
was so sorry. But at that point when I was
getting very confused, what was this God?

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
And was it not? And when you were doing doing this,
did you have any besides the religious feelings that you
were having, did you have any other uh personal feelings
in your mind as as far as knowing the difference
between right and wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
Again, yes, yes, I knew the difference between right and wrong,
but I thought this was something that God or whoever
wanted me to do.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
It was certain at that point had done it, that
it was God. When you resume doing it, yeah, okay, alright.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Was anyone working with you on that day that you
can recall the psows but I don't remember the name, okay,
And many would have there been three okay, there would
have been students two I think, but I can't remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
And there would have been three du patients and having
as well. Yes, so you're responsible for okay. March of
twent thousand and fourteen. This is Martan is bigger again
pressing care Yeah, tell me about Marna mm.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
Marine was at handfl she would have hackled the patients,
she would owe their hair, she would hit them, she
would pinch them. Eventually it was decided that she needed
a one on one staff, so sometimes they would boke
an extra PSW to be with her. Sometimes someone will

(01:37:13):
come from the outside.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
To be with her.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
But one moment, one more more than available.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
It was the rule of the charge in her that
was not sorry, that's just absolutely nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
So she did just got harder and harder to look after.
And one night, when I had had to look after,
I got this idea. I thought, you know, I'd started
to get the feeling out search again. I said, no,
I don't want her to die, but if I could
somehow give her enough of a dose to give her

(01:37:49):
a koma or something to change your brainwaves, maybe major lefts,
you know, maybe major loss mobile hearty handles, left handle
heart kat and urt.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
So uh yeah, FI Overdoster And was that in the
same way, Yes, she was rod across.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
She had gone into the room that Helen had been. Yeah,
she's ready across from nurses.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
Station and as well, hope stay single organ at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
Yeah, that night she stroked said, so your stroke. She
went to the hospital and when she came back, she
was there for a few there at liners On for
a few days and she died. But before she came
back from the hospital, I was fired from crost and care,
kay for medication errors that had nothing to do with that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
When you went when you got transferred into this hey
you wake, would you still get to the medication the
same way and days on the same way? Yeah? Cause
there's been some churches there, okay, okay, and so sorry
marine uh mississ pick Ring was transferred from Crest Church
to the hospit and then about top Yeah to die

(01:39:02):
what type of price do you remember? Two days pay?

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
But they knew that she was totally vegitated.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
For when she came back. Okay cause basically coming back
to the pass away in Merseingery. Yeah she supposed. How
how was care when she was done? No, cause she
had her own room?

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
Cause how this care room was for people who didn't
have their own room, right, so that families could go
and be with them, okay, and not you know, not
disturbed they had their residence and not to be disturbed
by thee the residents.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Right. Do you remember how watching with three years to
missus pickar. It was a lot. It was a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
I'm gonna say eighty long aften in the sixty short.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Acting or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
That was a lot of intent.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
Why so much for her?

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
Wasn't sure she would die or not, and I really
wanted to make sure that she uh there mind was me?

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
She did the church she came after. So the instant
caused her a stroke. Stroke in that and that the
the into trouble at the hospital. Yeah, do you remember
any reactions from herman you were rejecting her? No? None, dull.
Do you remember what type of the sorry politize? What

(01:40:20):
part of the body that you injected her left? Right least?
That's stuff. Yeah, had no reaction that she didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
Oh yeah, the first time I gave a church she
just said, hey, what was that for?

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
And I invested you. That's your video the reaction, which
is a like you said that you would typically tell people, Yeah, okay,
how long may between and when you gave her the
next dose?

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
Probably an hour and a half, two hours h.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
And that was about what time did you sense or anything? Oh? Well,
I don't know. You result happen?

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
Yeah, eight or nine I think Okay, okay, I thinks.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
That sure that had either porn? Did you ever eat
he at school or nothing? That month? Yep? Did the
miss pickerend you were call in your family the treatment?

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
She had two friends that came and saw her a lot,
and she had a boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
That would come to steer. Okay, how old was she?
Eighty two? How old was your boyfriend? Oh? I had
no idea? No, yeah, but you would tell her to
or does it un this? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
We was there any restrictions like bed in practices at
all certain hours? Basically no, if they wanted to come
only that night, they had to let us know. Okay,
so we did let them in and out.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
Okay, there's some is the and that was more of
a pious people right, But no, there was no real restrictions.
I mean there was the odd patients who had a
restriction like.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
They can't miss the building with this person, or they.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
Can't was a building with that person or some so
she was off called the police that personally.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Do you do you remember if you were a present
when she pussed away? I was not. I'd already been fired. Okay,
so start between the time that she when were you fired?

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
Late?

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
Marchuriy from was it when she was to the hospital?
Part she comes back from them?

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
She had come back, and then now it was second.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
And then she lived for a few more days. Yeah,
you ever fired in the.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
Meantime, Yeah, but she for something that had nothing to
do with her. And my timeline may be wrong. It
may have been February m because I know that nobody's
the midile of the apol. I was working again at
Mental Partners being home.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
And that some moms. Yeah, what was the the cause
of your your firing a nuns? Her? There was her
medication and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
I had had a few medication errors and strangely enough,
not on her rist. One of our residents was missing
her long acting influms that she got at supper and
it was coming from pharmacy. But I wanted to make
sure she got her influence, so I took influence from
another person who I fought was the same influence. But

(01:43:26):
it was short acting and they gave her a seizure
cause she wasn't used to it, and she was she
was okay, We've we helped her and she was alright, kay.
But when they figured it out, I was fired because
I had had other medication errors as well. Hm, no, no,
different things.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
I draw ah, a lot of different stuff. And what
do you think that was a result? What meda met air?
The workload? Yeah? Was it anything to do with were
you still using at this point? You know what? I
never made it?

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
I never made it work there, I never made a matair.

Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
When never used you know, work, never just had you focus. Yeah.
Did you ever commit any of these deaths in your region? Nope? No,
so no matterrors, no deaths.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
When I looked easing, do you think it was all
the feeling in your chest and or something like yeahs
or thirteen and U yep, and then the laft or afterwards,
which was really it was like a tackling from the
pit of health, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
Did the Catholic continue when you mess as young was
injected with the play after that two year break? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:44:50):
Yes, it is it same cacling. I feel like same castle.

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
So the when you did you work anywhere between christ
and Careen metal work?

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
Okay? Did you go directly from one to the other?
Pretty much? What kind of month? And and would those
medication errors be documented in a reference under or no?

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
Were you mad aware of anything like that, the middle
park or would be aware of the reason why you were.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
The person that hired me at Meadow Park. She told
me she had found my resume somewhere cause I never
applied to Meadow Park. Oh really, but she had found
my resume somewhere and.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
She called me cause they needed the earth. Oh okay.

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
So when we did our interview, her name was Heather.
I don't forget y'all's name. It's not there anymore. When
we did our interview, she said to me, why did
you leave? And I told her so, I'll be absolutely
honest with you. I was fired from Medairs and she said,
we'll tell me about them, and I did, and she said, okay,
well I believe in second chances. So you're hired full

(01:45:58):
time afternoons and it was the one year contrast, okay?

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
And how how long are y'all amployed for them? A month?
Just a month? Yeah? Right? And would you commute back
and forth? And you still live on what's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
I still living with the Stock Connects Men's best sport.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
First three afters?

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
What was that?

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
What were the hours for the street up the uh?
Either six thirty? No? Sorry? Either two thirty to ten
thirty or three day eleven, I'm not sure which it was.
So when you got to Middle Park, what was the
difference as far as the workflow of the patients that
you're responsible for, No differ least mark.

Speaker 3 (01:46:36):
The only difference was that the rpns would do the
if they were dressed, but that had to be done
at night. They do the dressing upon those people at night.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
That were my people.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
Okay, but although other than that same yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
And your supervisor supervisor at that point, I have a
part was at the same person I hired? You had
it or yeah something? She was a nursing night okay,
so should be her direct supervisor? Yup? So art Pad

(01:47:13):
or hard Rout, Yeah, tell me a little bit. Or
he was mean.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
He would grab the nurses andandies and fisis whenever they
were trying.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
To do things for me.

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
You would grab me which was their arms. You would
punch them. Very difficult to do.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
Uh care for and uh.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
One night had just got that surgeon. I thought that
he needed to build.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
Had he done something that night? No?

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
Not really just been as normal self.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
And he fought. He fought the first needle and.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
Then the second mething, I got it, and I forgot
something about morning. I had given her a dose of
whatever we dosed her with the calmer down before I
ever gave her the influence.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Forgot about that what I have done that? Did you
live in there? About Verdon? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
And if given or sedative jokes before.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
I ever gave her theme for him, so he said,
you were held off? Yes? Did you result that? Yes?
I did? And then the two incisions yeah, and did
accompetent the halid all commerce your name?

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
No, no j.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
So art. I gave a large amount of short acting
a large amount of long acting in between each other.
And then I when I left him the night, he
was still okay. When I came back the next day
and work, they said that he had had a stroke
sever year's stroke and gone to the hospital. And then arsaid,

(01:48:58):
I talked to Hoopin on the night before or she said,
you know how old blood trigger was?

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
And I said how low?

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
And she said always one point or something and then
and then she said, you know what. I went home
and I did resource research and sometimes having a bad
stroke to make your blood sug or fell up.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
Really, yeah, that's what she said to me. Oh, was
that one too?

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
Yeah, that was odd, but yeah, so she lived for
a couple of days in many houses.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
Do you remember what else that was the you remember
it was a.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
Night nurse, a little short fility.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
In the lady. That's what I remember. It's okay, kay.
And do you remember what time of the night that
you had injected her.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
I'm gonna say seven thirty and then nine thirty, kay.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
And his reaction to it, he thought it see, yeah,
but he thought everything. Was you ever when you were
doing this? Where you ever? Did you ever s be
to these people when you were injecting him? Nothing? Did
you ever say anything to them?

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
Not?

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
Most they ask me what I was doing? Then I
just say, was there right in the injection? But having
that and let's document him here a few times, having
that feeling of anger and frustration. Would you ever No,
you would never stay anything to mobilize your your anger
towards that person as you were injecting him.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
Never, And are then where did you inject him his
arm and his sorry? Okay? And what were you telling
me about that when they were giving him to the act.

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
It's the cling up that that I need to have
your message?

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
Did you actually put it into and was there an
immediate reaction to him at all? Did he stroke right away?
M No, he didn't joke fully lest okay. And then
that's when you came in the next day, I have
conversation was happening hip? Yeah, okay, alright, I I am

(01:51:04):
that very name. That's okay. There four or five days
later when he passed away. Do you remember if that
was a back kinda park it was at all? H
it was in the hospital. Maybe it never came back.

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
It may have just been two or three days. It
seemed like it was florified and his family was devastated.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
Absolutely. What was his uh help like at that point
prior to other than were other than dementia? He was
fairly strong.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
He was in a wheelchair, but he was a good
eater and he was strong. And how old was it,
I'm in the same maybe seventy eight?

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
Kay? And who was his family members?

Speaker 3 (01:51:44):
He has a son named Art who uh did stand
up comedy on the most Yeah, but I I think
it was just like open night night or and.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
Then his his wife.

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
Okay, I said, that's all I remember. I don't yet
other of those in the ones there was.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
Do you remember if there were other son or daughters
or just other family members.

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
That you could there were other family members in bold
visual a hope.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
Kay, did you ever have any interaction with his family?
I mean he said they were devastated. When did you
learn about how did you fell?

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
They came in to take stuff out of mister following
his death? Well, he was still in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
They came down in to take some stuff, and then when.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
He was gone, they came in to take the rest.

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
How did you feel having a conversation with him? Awful?

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
Again, like I'd betrayed him.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
How do you feel right now? Kay?

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
I guess the best him accounts.

Speaker 1 (01:52:59):
Yeah, yeah, I know. We're on the same Yeah, I
got seventy ten okay, Okay, we're getting there. I have

(01:53:38):
seven fourteen Okay to reason. So we left that left
off with art mister. Uh, that's the mental partners at
home and and I don't we have a part of
the Talkers. Metal party is in London, right yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
That commuting right now?

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
Okay? Alright? Is there anything else you remember about her
at all? Not really?

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
Well, he was a big game hunter, but he yea
and he had pictures of that. All of it was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
Yeah, did you ever converse with these people like what
they did for work? And and that the thing like
would you remember details like that like Art Well?

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
Art was a big game hunter Marines. I don't know
those games.

Speaker 1 (01:54:22):
I don't know. No, they just never really did. Yeah, okay,
al right. And at Middle Park where would you inflent there? Again?

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
From the from the meditations? Rich there anything else? Spirit
infan that eat meals?

Speaker 1 (01:54:39):
And again it was a trick, m okay, why is that?

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
I don't know, influence not something that's usually trapped.

Speaker 1 (01:54:49):
Right, and just because it's not a concern to the
to the homes.

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
Yeah, I mean I think it is now, I know
sometimes track it though.

Speaker 1 (01:55:02):
Okay, just a question out of curiosity. It's my uh
larchronology of how did that know? Yeah? Okay. Now you
have a portion of your on the on the fourth
page of this document that you wrote out and before exam?
When did you write this out? I know it's dated
the twenty fourth of September, Yes, that's when I wrote it.

(01:55:25):
You wrote this full document at that one twenty fourth
and twenty sixth. Where were you at that point?

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
I was at the nurse at the uh Chamah.

Speaker 1 (01:55:33):
Andy, what made you prepare this document?

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
The doctor suggests it to me that I should y no,
not to give to the police, but he says, he
says that if I wrote it out, it would be
a good part of my therapy.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
Okay, So okay, and did.

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
Take a large amount of pressure off me and help
me to really clarify the fact.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
But no, it wasn't God.

Speaker 3 (01:55:53):
It was something wrong with me psychologically that was making
me believe that it was God. It really helped me
to clarify that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
All right. And the original of this document is in my.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
Knapsack in the back of your car.

Speaker 1 (01:56:13):
And we'll get we'll we'll get down the road that point.
But it's it's providing us with the original documents something
you you wanted to do, Yes, and we'll get to that.

Speaker 3 (01:56:24):
Do you have a stamp you can stamp a does
the original?

Speaker 1 (01:56:28):
H I don't even think we need to do that.
We'll have your plain a second sent form what will
for me today?

Speaker 3 (01:56:34):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:56:36):
Point of your winning of course? Do you have a
course on the fourth page? Sure, and it's titled people
who Didn't Die? What can you tell me about?

Speaker 3 (01:56:46):
Okay, clip hills that I have germal She was the
first person I ever gave a certain this one too, Okay,
I think if you were forty you know, I just again,
there was that surgeon.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
But it wasn't so much I wanted her to die.

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
It was more or less see what happened. And I
guess it just said to her, uh, more than one occasion. Okay, uh, Albino,
which story she was prior to?

Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
That's yourself causer. Yeah. So this was the very first
person that he started to with m swing yes, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
And where at cressmom Care at crestmom Care, and her
room was where her room was in the east wing,
second door in the loft then east wing, first doorman
loft was your sister, Alvina.

Speaker 1 (01:57:28):
She was diabetic.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
Okay, she was October two thousand and seven. Sorry, that
was her sister, but tell them Alvin North sisters. Yeah,
oh okay. Then there was Wayne. He was on the
North wings. He was he had dementia, he was diabetic.
He could be on the cooperative And uh, I gave

(01:57:49):
them a large overdose because I thought it was just
turned as though that was Wayne. That was Wayne, and
very how old it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
Was certain and I had to go back, but I
ask you Her question, twible was.

Speaker 3 (01:58:03):
God was Causelsa was ninety years so okay, and her
sister Albina was probably eighty s eighty two.

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
And did they have a family that would come of
di Yes, yes, alright, very much.

Speaker 3 (01:58:15):
So who was happy they were come to the until
the I think it was her daughters and Albina was
her husband.

Speaker 1 (01:58:21):
Kay, and long acting short acting short acting at that
point and almost seven versus doing short acting.

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
I think you remember the dus tellaween were the wait
a second, what was to get at night? It was
long acting, so w it was what they got at
night with those two. It was their own informius extra
jose So okay, tebably twenty thirty to forty thirty to forty.

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
Right next year? Kay? And then when how old was Wednesday?
I'd say sixty? Okay, we still he was younger.

Speaker 3 (01:58:53):
He yeah, he had developmentally develop mental challenges as well
as dementia as well as things I have at yes,
as well as being handful and uh, he wanted to
die so again that one night I just felt that
searching and that he didn't die.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
I think you know where he wanted to die.

Speaker 3 (01:59:17):
He would say it sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:59:20):
That he just wanted to go. Where was Wayne aggressive?

Speaker 3 (01:59:24):
He was a roommate, which is the man's words, time
to the as sight eight or eight eight eight number
eight nurse eight nrths alright.

Speaker 1 (01:59:34):
And would that be a roommate from there as well?

Speaker 3 (01:59:36):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:59:37):
Do you know who he was rooms with? That? No? No, no,
alright and Mike was hunting to the see that was
two thousand and nine. What what did type of us?

Speaker 3 (01:59:49):
It's wrong that you have your body and you still
have your mind. You get progressively more agitated, you get
progressively more.

Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
I thought it.

Speaker 3 (02:00:01):
And you're in a wheelchair and you've got all these
movies that.

Speaker 1 (02:00:03):
You can't control, a horrible movies. And how old was mine?

Speaker 3 (02:00:07):
He was fifty four? And uh again one night I
just felt about thirteen and I thought, now this must
be godd because this man is not and during his
life at all though I gave him a large amount
of that when I think I gave him the nineties total.

Speaker 1 (02:00:25):
Did you ever do anything to hurry? No? Never did Wayne,
No Albina, No, I totally no. This takes us to
a different location in Telfer place in Paris. That's obviously Paris, Ontario.

Speaker 3 (02:00:43):
Correct, Yeah, upside of Bradford would stop your two thousand
and sixteen winter, Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:00:49):
And that was Sandra, Yeah, that was sand Sandra.

Speaker 3 (02:00:52):
I think she was in her seventies.

Speaker 1 (02:00:54):
Kay, and telerplace. What was what was the pick up
of the rooms there? Where was she located?

Speaker 3 (02:01:02):
She was She was down the wind straight down from
the nurses's desk, about two doors on the left, okay.
And she had three roommates.

Speaker 1 (02:01:15):
And she described her a little bit of personality in
her home, tall moll very well.

Speaker 3 (02:01:22):
She didn't walked anymore. She had a good sense of humor.
She often said she didn't wanna be there. And so
one night I heard her husband instant over there.

Speaker 1 (02:01:37):
Kay.

Speaker 3 (02:01:40):
But she survived because the nurses came on next went
to check on her to do something else or notice
that she was sweating, and kept her blood sugar and
saved her life.

Speaker 1 (02:01:51):
H kay. And how these other people survived, it just didn't.

Speaker 3 (02:01:57):
Oh, Catilda and Albina, they found them have sharp blood.
They found them to have a little blood sugar, and
they gave them such a raise it and when the
mice they just survived, was never found out.

Speaker 1 (02:02:11):
Was there anything to do with the gender male or female?
That distance was the effect of it or was it
just kind of just the kind of on the make
up of her body and the health and yeah, but
I know this has any seas as a gender. The
nurse who saved Sandra. Yeah, was there anything that ever

(02:02:33):
came back on you? No, any retribution consequences. No, she
never figured it does that.

Speaker 3 (02:02:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:02:42):
She even asked me about it, not if I.

Speaker 3 (02:02:44):
Thought she'd done there anything.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
Who wasn't Do you remember.

Speaker 3 (02:02:48):
Any Diane, I don't remember a name.

Speaker 1 (02:02:52):
And what what was working at that point was just
really can't help the place. Whatever I got called in for.

Speaker 3 (02:02:58):
I was actually working before for a nursing agency at
that I'm called Lifeguards Agency and I was sent of
Telfords Lifeguards.

Speaker 1 (02:03:07):
I see, so you were never employed by tultor place. No.

Speaker 3 (02:03:10):
No, I've employed by Lifeguard and I would go to
Telford and to other places as well.

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
Okay, and that's when you're up the ball with Standili
as well, right when you look like.

Speaker 3 (02:03:21):
For yeah, yeah, if I've only with sanlinis this like less.

Speaker 1 (02:03:26):
And a half before I play? Okay? Okay, twenty and
sixteen of August, which was not too long ago. Uh,
you're employed with stanilidiod that says here.

Speaker 3 (02:03:36):
Yeah, I had frustrated with my job. I've had a huge,
huge workload, having to learn a lot of new things,
just a lot of frustrations.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
The weekend that this happened.

Speaker 3 (02:03:52):
There, I had all all of the people that I
had to look after. Most of them were in Ingersoll.
I didn't know any of them. And uh, on the Saturday,
I went in and I was doing my care and uh,
this is really the only one that was pre planning.
On Saturday, I went in, I was doing care on Beverly.
I noticed that she had a pickline, which is one

(02:04:14):
to take medications straight.

Speaker 1 (02:04:15):
To her heart, and that she was a diabetic.

Speaker 3 (02:04:19):
And so the next day when I went in, I
was really frustrated and I could just really feel the
surging and the laughing, and I gave her a huge amount.

Speaker 1 (02:04:28):
I gave her.

Speaker 3 (02:04:28):
I think it was one eighty three three dose was
the sixty kay to the pickline?

Speaker 1 (02:04:33):
Any question about it at all?

Speaker 3 (02:04:34):
No, cause I used wonderance of pickline one to put
into her. I any bout at some wonderance pick line again,
And uh she survived.

Speaker 1 (02:04:44):
She's fign The next day, did you go to see
that next n No, but I was able to check it.

Speaker 3 (02:04:48):
Out my computer cause she had seen it every day
by a nurse. Okay, so I could go into the
tablet from merk and see how she was.

Speaker 1 (02:04:55):
Okay, And that was just a program I saying a
little bit. Yes on there on top okay. And these
other people, where did you inject them? Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:05:04):
There are.

Speaker 1 (02:05:06):
All of them, all of them? You know.

Speaker 3 (02:05:10):
Sandy was probably her life because she was losing as more.

Speaker 1 (02:05:13):
Difficult in August of twenty sixteen, then with several You
don't remember if Everly went iping?

Speaker 3 (02:05:19):
No, I don't, and I don't even remember her first
name was Beverly? Oh, okay, I could probably. Oh, I
don't know if I could tell you the weekend it
whether or not.

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
But she lived in name res Hong. Yeah. Does she
live in a home or uh yeah, in a home
like her own president? I mean? Or do you remember

(02:05:55):
where name of saw I was? No? I don't know.
How can you have an names that really bigger?

Speaker 3 (02:06:01):
I'm sure what her name is cause I'm not sure
if it was Bev or b or Dinota?

Speaker 1 (02:06:07):
Okay, okay, And that was the only one kid given
you a back flight? Yes? Did you know what who
was alway be compared to a direct injection into an
arm or a leg or a big I never before,
I never looked at it. I had no idea.

Speaker 3 (02:06:21):
Okay, she went, she went to sleep fairly quickly and
then left. But when I checked uh the next day
to see how she went through the next nurse, there
was no change.

Speaker 1 (02:06:32):
How old was she? She was.

Speaker 3 (02:06:37):
Sixty three sixty four? And what was her diagnosis as
far as her home She was diabetic, and she had
large ulsers on her life.

Speaker 1 (02:06:51):
And she also had a severe infection. How does that
make you feel? ConTroll of that awful? Do you feel
like there's a person I talk to shoulders? Yes, I've

(02:07:12):
done there an things. Do you feel there's a sense
of relief.

Speaker 3 (02:07:15):
Yes, And now I know that it wasn't God, and
I'm ashamed.

Speaker 1 (02:07:19):
Of myself that that happens. But I also think that
it was my fault. You know, I think it was.
I always knew from my right mind, or I.

Speaker 3 (02:07:29):
Would have been able to tell the men who's I
had raised to believe in God. I had raised from
my babies about the Sunday School. So how can I
get such a strong feeling that this is what I
wronged unless it was something wrong in my head.

Speaker 1 (02:07:43):
And I hadn't always talk about what you would say
to the families and and so on and so forth.
But again I I I feel terrible for the for
the people that are gonna find out and in the
days and and we just come up. So what actually
has that they loved ones? Right? It is? I feel horrible.

Speaker 3 (02:08:08):
If there was ever anything I could do so that
nobody said this again.

Speaker 1 (02:08:12):
I did, Kay, just a few other things that cover
often I know, the thing that some of these people
would do to you, and the hitting, the tension, the
grabbing of your breasts. Would you ever reporting a yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:08:34):
But yeah, it was always your portion in charge of them.

Speaker 1 (02:08:36):
And that's just document other church. Yeah, okay, And was
there any there was obviously you never and obviously but
was there ever any charges or criminal matters that came
of any of this at all?

Speaker 3 (02:08:47):
Well, that's part of working in the nursing home that
just what they do might even be your fault there.

Speaker 1 (02:08:54):
Yeah, I said that this is Cambay. Yeah. Do you
think that why you played a role in in your actions? No? H, Maureen,
and your acts? What was marine must when the last

(02:09:23):
time you talked to her. Think about what four.

Speaker 3 (02:09:27):
Years ago, when did you own money?

Speaker 1 (02:09:28):
Then move back?

Speaker 3 (02:09:29):
We were only together for a year, Okay, so she
came here for him, Yeah, and brought her two kids.

Speaker 1 (02:09:36):
Kay's the teenage kids? Yeah? Do you think you mentioned
you hear of Trono studio? Yeah? We thought as the
all sen we'll see I guess with them when they
were here? Have you this document prepared best? And I

(02:10:00):
know that you had stated the reason why. I guess
you'd call it the breaking point of why you stopped. Yeah,
was the possibility that you were gonna have to be
dealing with kids? Yes, that's right?

Speaker 3 (02:10:12):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:10:13):
Yeah? Is there anyone else within your career path that
isn't list on these feign documents? There are these four
pieces of the wood that you'd be responsible for the guys.

Speaker 3 (02:10:25):
No, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (02:10:28):
And if we were to tell you that we've come
across them fairly significant or suspicious uh death of other
person ones where it is him? Right, what would you
say to that? I me, so there's no one else involved? No,

(02:10:48):
that was peltictims your actions. No, just just repeat to
me again. The people that you've school was just two betimes.
My girlf pending.

Speaker 3 (02:11:02):
Okay, the very first person I ever just closed it
was another girlfriend at the time.

Speaker 1 (02:11:11):
Her name was.

Speaker 3 (02:11:13):
That was after I killed a couple of people, and uh,
she told me not to do it again or she
was gonna turn me into the police.

Speaker 1 (02:11:20):
What about that, Oh, I tried.

Speaker 3 (02:11:22):
Me tell you two thousand and eight, I think, and
then uh, two thousand eleven, when I decided to stop
killing my friends, I told her what I've been doing
and that I had stopped.

Speaker 1 (02:11:38):
And then.

Speaker 3 (02:11:41):
I told my pastor, and then after that I told
the In two thousand and fourteen, after attacked away, I
uh went on a holiday and uh, that's when I
really decided that this had stopped. So I told.

Speaker 1 (02:12:02):
A friend and he lived in VC.

Speaker 3 (02:12:07):
Then, uh, I told When I came back, I got
a vaginal lawyer. And then while I was in the Toronto,
while I was in Camage, well, I told my friend
before everyone, I've told my cousin, I told my friends,
and I told my friend, and then while I was

(02:12:30):
in Camage, I told someone who I thought was a friend.
They turned around and called the police to make sure
that it has really been dealt with. And I understand
that he thought he was doing the right thing.

Speaker 1 (02:12:44):
I understand that.

Speaker 3 (02:12:45):
But he had said, oh, I won't tell anybody, and
I had used in him as a reverse for support,
and he turned around right when I when I had
already you know, I'd already shared it. Why would you
call the police?

Speaker 1 (02:12:58):
So why do you think that none of these people
confronted fleets. Maybe they didn't believe me. I don't know.
Maybe they just.

Speaker 3 (02:13:07):
Thought, maybe they thought I was doing more something than
the patient moments.

Speaker 1 (02:13:11):
Does you know? And as far as believing you were
these close people to you that you've shared other deep
dark sequences.

Speaker 3 (02:13:20):
Maybe over time to that, I I would say, you
secrets about themselves.

Speaker 1 (02:13:24):
Yeah, cause this is a pretty serious thing.

Speaker 3 (02:13:27):
Yes, it is normal. I'm telling you it's the worst.

Speaker 1 (02:13:33):
Telling these people. And I just find hard to believe
that no one would come forward until which is five
six people down the road right now, Yeah, having knowledge
of it. Yeah, I hear you. Yeah. And everything that
you're telling us is the truth. Yes, it is yours.
Nothing that's been fabricated, no, sir. And you're sure what

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what would be finding your home?

Speaker 3 (02:14:01):
Did you ever document any of this? Once in a
while I do a journals on it. There it might
there might be some in my home, but I don't know.
I think I should out in I'm if if it's around,
it would be in like a viral binder, in either.

Speaker 1 (02:14:19):
My desk, my other desk, or my uh full my
bunch m call it come on its file.

Speaker 3 (02:14:30):
File folder than Yes, I like having extension.

Speaker 1 (02:14:35):
Yeah that's did you live alone? Yes? I did? Yeah,
did you want someone to come with me in well?

Speaker 2 (02:14:45):
To be answ you?

Speaker 1 (02:14:46):
It is as a part of the investigation. There's already
minisearched for an execute that.

Speaker 3 (02:14:49):
As oh those searches at it.

Speaker 1 (02:14:51):
It's already been stage of tide because we've been conversing
for quite some time. I'll pass probably close to game completed, okay,
but I'm just asking because you've been so cooperative. Yeah,
and again I do I appreciate that, Yeah, I really do.
It just makes things a lot easier, right id by
do you know us where a certain thing might be?

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And you said you might have thrown them out? Yeah,
you might not have. I might not have count them.
And then at the very end of.

Speaker 3 (02:15:18):
My coffee table there's a box and it's aout pictures
and uh a photo all a minute, there might be something.

Speaker 1 (02:15:26):
In there too. What would you do a a trena
cube very writing past?

Speaker 2 (02:15:35):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:15:36):
What types of thing? What types of things would you document?
That's what I've done.

Speaker 3 (02:15:40):
How that I felt when it happened, just trying to
figure out what was going on in my head.

Speaker 1 (02:15:45):
Searching for answers. Yeah, but you're not sure to do
if rid of those are not yet?

Speaker 3 (02:15:52):
I saw I had got rid of at all, but
I don't know if I did for sure?

Speaker 1 (02:15:56):
Kay? Would there be anything else as far as computer
documents anything like that? There would be.

Speaker 3 (02:16:04):
I access the UH computer Support group for four line
person that's nowaday disorder.

Speaker 1 (02:16:11):
It would be on that.

Speaker 3 (02:16:12):
It would be on that website's just an open forum
that you could join them. Yeah and pose comments with ye.

Speaker 1 (02:16:18):
What website was that, I.

Speaker 3 (02:16:20):
Couldn't tell you, but I could find it on my computer, Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:16:23):
And would that be something maybe be going to share
with us? Good time to Yeah, like a documents and
computer websites and whatnot? Yep? What's your tattoo hoops and
dreams that movie that that I have hopes for the
future and dreams of the future. Yeah, where are your

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hops of the user? Now? After hanging on the last
year hours.

Speaker 3 (02:16:48):
But somehow, some way I can help somebody. It's gotta
be somebody with wherever I go, jail kind of entry,
it's gotta be somebody I can help. Maybe somebody who
can't read, Maybe somebody who can't rate. Maybe if somebody's
done worse than me and feels like it will never
be forgiven. Maybe somebody who's done less to me and
feels like it will never be forgive. There's gotta be

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something that can come from us. Maybe somebody can study
me and come up with answers and new medications so
this doesn't happen again.

Speaker 1 (02:17:19):
That's my open dream, is not. Is there anything worse
than take It's almost life? Uh?

Speaker 3 (02:17:28):
Yes, Child Moll, Child Moll station.

Speaker 1 (02:17:33):
Absolutely did you feel that you might have the children
to name or small if you would work with them?

Speaker 3 (02:17:39):
I was afraid that that I might get that feeling
of wanting to give a mental one or dosees, especially
since they were DI did and I just I can't act.

Speaker 1 (02:17:49):
There was no way. That's absolutely not open to that.
Is there any else that you can think of right now? No?
I think I did pretty good. I think you did
those doppens. Now I'm just gonna do a sit tight, uh,
and we'll arrange to uh see where the next steps are.

(02:18:13):
Oh okay, I might not be going home, though, I
will get back to you with that.

Speaker 2 (02:18:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:18:19):
We've discussed your original documents in your backpack. Yeah. If
I were to prepare a form which is a content
to search or a content form to provide us with
those doguments would be something that you'd learned as yeah. Sure, okay.
There's some stuff in there too that it does as

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M in your backpack? Yes, okay, what kind of things
are like? It's called the chain link thing. So you
start at what.

Speaker 3 (02:18:46):
You did need the backwards to how you're feeling, what
you just sound different and all that.

Speaker 1 (02:18:50):
Okay, do you feel those your dygamaite can't mean tructors? Yes? Three?
Or much? Do you receive the care DECLI? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:18:57):
No's in an increase in medication, which if you I
need Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:19:03):
Alright, should tell you for a few moments. Ka, oh well,
I'll be back. You wanta be okay again on my
uh phone about seven thirty ninety okay, yeah, and uh
let me get back with uh some answers and m

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were one from her okay to home? Okay, what's the
techno think you do you ever.

Speaker 3 (02:19:30):
Have to wear any right?

Speaker 1 (02:19:31):
What I'd like to go home? Okay? Alright, thank you best,
thank you, appreciate, thank you? Did you can someone help you?
Dought with me? Now? Yeah, we'll get something to do
with operation kay. I'm su Okay. You could imagine that

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things of this nature takes some time. Yeah, I understand.
Appreciate your patience with you. I understand, Thank you. So cool.
I have able too, I just have We're in the
home stretcher, okay, okay, and I can explain to you
everything that's gonna go on, okay, okay, fair enough, okay, okay, okay.

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So first off, a few things that and uh do
you remember the gentleman who transporters back from Toronto? And
uh also Karen, Yeah, my partners that they've just been
monitoring and writing some things like that. But just some
things that are are concerning in it. We just needed
first off, okay, okay. So first off I had I said,

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they're they're heading anster more an execute at your residence, okay.
And there was some paperwork with regards to Remington. We
got the shot kind of some sort Oh but what
would that be.

Speaker 3 (02:20:58):
For just okay, I'd like guns.

Speaker 1 (02:21:02):
Okay, yeah, alright, do you have any you know? No, no,
I used to, did you?

Speaker 3 (02:21:07):
I had a twenty two and without a running in
my chams, not that I don't know of, okay, But
my my husband had a gun that his dad gave me, okay,
that we would shoot with so I could stay at
the at the I could stay at the at the

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uh gun clothes and shoot.

Speaker 1 (02:21:32):
And when we broke up.

Speaker 3 (02:21:35):
I did the paperwork to be as a factor.

Speaker 1 (02:21:37):
That might be or what they sound okay, alright, I
didn't have that never will be okay, al right. The
user names, like what would your user name be on
that blog that you would right on? Uh?

Speaker 3 (02:22:00):
You know what, I'd have to go look, it's not
like your name and a couple of numbers or like that. No,
I have to be sitting down to some of the
computer to remember it.

Speaker 1 (02:22:11):
Okay. And even the fine support Okay. These are a
bunch of random questions assulting together the insults that used
the short acting the long acting. Were there an actual
brand or a make up? The inflent that you might
have been no ement, okay, might have been the noble.

(02:22:36):
I can't remember any of it was might when you
worked with Life Garden, I know that you had mentioned
they'd send you to certain locations in certain homes. Yeah,
what what were not? There was a tougher placement.

Speaker 3 (02:22:56):
There's more than there with Telford Place, Oh, that was
the very first. Then there was uh Care's I'm want here,
Telford Place, Fort Dover, dover Cluft what it was called?
M I did UH one p SV shift at a

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place in the New Hamburg, but.

Speaker 1 (02:23:22):
I couldn't tell you the name of it.

Speaker 3 (02:23:24):
Also, I worked at uh Tetford Place and Dover Cluff
are both owned by the same people. And they have
another nursing home in Bramford, but I can't remember the
name of it.

Speaker 1 (02:23:44):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (02:23:44):
And then and then Park Layne Terrace in stra in
uh Paris and Hardie Terrace I think just outside of Herst.
Oh and what was the other one called? Oh lord,
it's weave are out of town. It's like an hour

(02:24:05):
and a half drives from here. My dads grew up
in that area. Like it's in the Jervis area, Jervisimco area.

Speaker 1 (02:24:14):
It's so I didn't tell you.

Speaker 3 (02:24:17):
I throw in my brain shop for the nights.

Speaker 1 (02:24:22):
That's sort of is your sign yep, is my house's
gonna be a mess when I get back. Nope, I
don't think so, Okay, all that kind of a it's
not like you see on TV. And yeah, carbon's flying everywhere, right, Yeah.
Your Facebook page, at one point there was a comment

(02:24:43):
or I don't know where it is in your timeline
about a pediatric nurse. Did your work as a pediatric nurse? Oh? Now,
I was gonna be working with the kids. That's what's
that referred to with in yours? Yes? Okay, okay, gotcha? Alright, alright,
and it go back through the names of people you're so,
we've got that you've divulged you, right, that's your cousin.

(02:25:13):
That's my cousin. Okay, I'm not doing a lot to name. Yeah,

(02:25:41):
the lawyers. This name I cannot remember?

Speaker 3 (02:25:54):
Yeah right, yeah, who's that? She was a friends schoon
nurse Sie.

Speaker 1 (02:26:16):
From from prescient here.

Speaker 3 (02:26:21):
I told her after I had stopped for the first
time and she stopped.

Speaker 1 (02:26:26):
Being my friends. Who have kay? And Kay? Where does

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she work?

Speaker 3 (02:26:46):
She doesn't, she's on ODST.

Speaker 1 (02:26:50):
Did she work as a national dude? No? Yes? You
know where she lived in town? She lives in Toronto.
M Okay, Okay, we're gonna wrap things up. But here's
what's here's what's gonna happen. Okay, okay, And part of

(02:27:13):
this is gonna be up to you. What are your
plans going forward from here?

Speaker 3 (02:27:20):
From here, I want to go home or I want
to have a good night's sleep.

Speaker 1 (02:27:24):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:27:24):
I want to spend uh Thanksgiving weekend with my family
and they want to be available to the police that
any tend to meet me. And if I have to
come back for a trial, I have to come back
for a trial. I have no plans of leaving. I
can turn in my car if you want me to.

Speaker 1 (02:27:40):
Okay, are your parents are are you close with your
parents or what do you have with them? Very very close?
I have to tell them tonight what's happened with one
my dad. Yes, they know that they know that I've
been in They know that I've.

Speaker 3 (02:27:55):
Been in the hospital, but that I just told them
that was for treatments. But yeah, my plans to I
is to go and talk to them one on one, like,
face to face and tell them or do you think
they're gonna be devastated?

Speaker 1 (02:28:10):
What I'm gonna I'm never.

Speaker 3 (02:28:11):
Plan on staying, staying in the night there so they
have access to me.

Speaker 1 (02:28:15):
Okay, what type of support you teach, You're gonna.

Speaker 3 (02:28:17):
Get there eventually all the support I need.

Speaker 1 (02:28:21):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:28:24):
I also plan to go to my AA groups. I
had planned on doing ninety meetings and ninety dates.

Speaker 1 (02:28:31):
And uh just keep up with like I plan to.
Uh see. One of the things happens with me.

Speaker 3 (02:28:37):
Is I isolate and then I start to not do well.
So I plan to do the Thanksgiving thing, keep up
with my friends, call em and clean my apartments.

Speaker 1 (02:28:46):
Tell my parents. Those are my plans. I have no
plans to leave town. Kay. This is I've done this
and I'm ready to face it. But I would not
say I think that's gonna happen. Ah lest you, Kay,
I think that's gonna happen. As I said at the
very rare beginning of this, whatever time you started ago

(02:29:08):
hours ago, you're not a nerve rest right now, okay, okay,
but as you can imagine, Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:29:25):
Call you back in thirty minutes.

Speaker 1 (02:29:30):
That's my cousin for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:29:32):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:29:33):
As I said at the beginnings, you're not a nervest Okay,
but as you can imagine, a kind of restigation like
this is something that we've never dealt with. It's something
that doesn't happen very often, not something that you rarely
hear about, right, Okay, I don't know of many, but
you're not the first person to do this, right Okay.
Having said that, we have a responsibility to protect the public,

(02:29:58):
right right, you know where I'm coming from when I
say that, Yes, as you've done some.

Speaker 3 (02:30:07):
Things to some innocent people, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:30:09):
Some pretty what people are going to people are going
to have opinions of you, and right exactly. Having said that,
there's something in the criminal Court of Canada and this
this is usually results in someone being charged with criminal
offense and being placed on such a thing called an

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eight tentions of bond, okay, And basically what an a
ten piece bond is is is kind of a promise
given by your or your work given to us, and
it's a court documented issue by a judge that puts
you on certain conditions. You have a certain conditions limiting
you from doing certain things, having certain things in your possession,

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attending certain locations, and if you were to breach those conditions,
right then you would be arrested in further charge with breaching.
It is what's called an eight ten piece bot Okay.
So basically you've heard a restrained order. It's similar to that, okay, Okay.
A lot of people call it restraining orders, but it's
actually en candor called to eat ten piece blond okay,

(02:31:12):
And again just limits you from doing certain things, sending
certain locations. It could be things like still getting help
for your mental health, your substance abuse, surrounding your passport,
I have no past, not practicing as an RM, not
a standing, nursing homes, things like that. Yeah, okay, if

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that word option, which, like I said, usually that occurs
with people that are charged. People are convicted of certain offenses, right,
that's part of the punishment. Would you be willing to
enter into an eight ten piece bond prior to being
currently charged?

Speaker 3 (02:31:48):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (02:31:50):
And do you understand what I mean by the send people. Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:31:53):
Yeah, it means I have to do it or I
come back and I'm in jail.

Speaker 1 (02:31:56):
Until everything else or I don't know what would happen
if if you're preaches as far as jail and the consequences, Yeah,
the only thing that I want to make sure that
it's clear to you, and then I make sure, I'm
getting my point across is that it's basically a document
that you're gonna swear to and sign and agree not

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to take certain things, not to a certain things in
your position. And I would say, I'm not saying that's
gonna happen right now because it has to go in
front of the judge. Oh okay, okay. So it's just
an option that we're looking at because, as I said,
we have the responsibility to protect the public. Yeah, that's right.
That's where I want to know where your plans are. Yes,
I want to know that you're going to go home
and be supported by your family. Yes.

Speaker 3 (02:32:35):
I want to know that you will be charged at
all times, always on my body.

Speaker 1 (02:32:39):
If you need me, I will be here.

Speaker 3 (02:32:41):
And if you need me to come here, I'll be here.
If you need me to leave you to come and
get me, I'll do it till the committed.

Speaker 2 (02:32:51):
All right.

Speaker 1 (02:32:53):
I think we know your do We have yourself phone
number five ye.

Speaker 3 (02:32:58):
Five three two O six four to seven month Okay,
own phone number is five one nine to nine, zero
zero seven two four parents phone numbers.

Speaker 1 (02:33:14):
Don't worry about that outside when I'll get your parents
movie both Okay, Okay, do you understand what I what
we just talked about. Oh, yeah, absolutely, because it's a
very unique situation, right, Yes, you confess to to certain things. Yes,
and we have quite a bit of like work, as
you could imagine, Yeah, to get this investigation together and

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see where we go from here. Okay, there's a lot
of people that will consult in it and determine the
final answer of what your phase is. Okay, okay, right,
but I know that you're aware of the extent of
what you've done. Yes, I know that you've verbalized and
spoke about how you feel and the obviously you can't
take it back, but.

Speaker 3 (02:33:58):
I relieve that I can have that.

Speaker 1 (02:34:01):
I feel sorry for those people that are not gonna
find out sort.

Speaker 3 (02:34:04):
Of doesn't say it, they should, they should do that
doesn't public Spider than the story like Diana.

Speaker 1 (02:34:10):
Story or something. Yeah, something wrong to live on. Yeah,
I really have to see you. I'm sorry, no problem.
I've got age sixteen, and I think that would probably
conclude things. But the really yeah, conc used the Washington
and Rank opener probably do something you need to find
that contember the way it was. Yeah, a little problem