Stephen McDaniel's FULL Police Interrogation with Macon police after Lauren Giddings' Murder

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Right, all right, all right, I just gotta ask you
a few questions. Oh, you came down earlier tonight. I
me and you talked. All right. You don't have any weapons?
All you do? That's what she want? What's wrong? You
don't have to take the Patterson?

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Right?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yes? Do you remember you remember us talking earlier tonight? Right?
You remember me earlier in the day. Yes, we came
down here and talked a little bit and then we left. Yes, okay,
I need to know about this girl right here? You
know her?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Who is that Lauren Ginnings? Does she live next door
to you? Yes? When was the last time you seen her?

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Two or three weeks ago?

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Okay? Was you friends with Lauren? Yes? Look at me
and we talked to me son, Okay? Was your friends
with her? Yes? Close friends? I mean y'all were friends.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Both of y'all are law students. You're studying to be
an attorney? Right? Yes? What kind of law? Do you
want to go into? Criminal law? Yes? Sylvia? Is that
what you want to do for a living? Yes? Okay?
Are you almost finished? Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:20):
Okay, so you don't have too much more to do, right,
all right? Are you going to stay here and making
I don't know. Did you used to work at the
District Attorney's office in Macon?

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:32):
Was you on the prosecutor side or the defense side?

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Prosecutor?

Speaker 1 (01:37):
So you on our side?

Speaker 6 (01:39):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
You never worked on the other side. Did you like
it when you were down there? Yes? Got along with everybody? Yes? Okay.
And you've lived next to Lauren for a long time.

Speaker 7 (01:53):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay. Do you know where she's at tonight? No? M
have you ever seen it that dress on? No? You
have no idea where she's at? No? Okay?

Speaker 8 (02:10):
Oh, yes, okay, my major didn't do that.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
But okay, all right, all right, man, look just tell
me what happened. Brother. I don't know well where she at?
I need you.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
I'm asking you for your help. I'm a detective and
I'm asking you for your help. Okay, I'm asking you
for help. I need your help. Can you help me?

Speaker 1 (03:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
You don't know if you can help me. Yes, I
need your help. Help me out, tell me what to do.
Has anybody asked you for help today? I need your
I'm asking you as a friend for help.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Can you help me? I don't know? What do you mean?
You don't know? You can't help a friend out.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
I don't know what you need.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I need to know where Laurence at. I don't know
when's the last time you've seen her?

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Two or three weeks ago?

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Has anybody Have you ever seen anybody over her house
last couple of nights?

Speaker 7 (03:42):
No?

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Okay, if you knew where she was, would you tell me? Yes?
What do you think happened to her? I don't know.
Do you even care that? No one can fund? Yes?

(04:06):
I mean I don't know. Do you yes? Do you
have a girlfriend? No? Did you think Lauren was your girlfriend? No?

(04:30):
I mean you said you didn't have any other cars?
Right right? Well, why would you?

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Everybody you went to school with for the last three
and four years said that you own another car other
than that Geo prism. Everybody I've talked to, all your
friends you were in school with, people that you worked
at the District Attorney's office with, said you have other
cars other than that car. And you're gonna sit here

(04:59):
today and to I mean, you don't have another car?
I don't well where is it at? I don't have one?

Speaker 1 (05:06):
You never had another.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
Car besides that Geo prison So if I call your granddaddy,
he's gonna tell me that you only have one car.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yes, what's his phone?

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Mother?

Speaker 1 (05:17):
I don't know, because I already have a number. You
don't know his phone number? No? Hmm? I mean you
seriously can't help us out.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
His number is in my cell phone?

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Where's about to start? Where's your cell phone.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
At the apartment?

Speaker 1 (05:43):
In your apartment?

Speaker 5 (05:46):
I mean it's kind of late to be calling him.
Does he stay up late?

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I don't know. Do you have a grandmother or it's
just him? My grandmother passed away my while back. Yes,
but you're close to your grandfather, right, Yes?

Speaker 5 (06:05):
I mean doesn't he own some property or something? He said,
a couple of acres?

Speaker 7 (06:09):
My granddaddy or my grandfather who lives in Pike County,
my granddaddy. Does he own any land down there?

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yes? Okay? And do sometimes you go down and to
visit him or something.

Speaker 7 (06:23):
Last time we met, I went down and visited it
with my hand and uncle.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
What did he do for a living? Was he an
attorney like you're He.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Worked for the Southern Railroad Company?

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Is he anybody in your family an attorney? No, you're
the only one that went through law school. Yes, well
that's an accomplishment, don't you think yes, I mean it
took a long time, right, Yes, a lot of a
lot of studying. I think you told me earlier you

(07:01):
were grow up Atlanta or did you live in Atlanta
or Griffin or something like that.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
You don't have any family left up there? Yes? Well
who lives up there? My parents? Okay? Any brothers or sisters.
My sister lives in Tucker, Georgia. Yes.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
What's up with a pair of underwear that was in
your apartment? It's like a mask. It was cut out
like a mask. You cut underwear out that looked like masks?

Speaker 1 (07:32):
No? How many guns did you have in your apartment? Three?
What are they? Do you know what they are? A rifle?
What kind of rifle? Did you have? An AK semi automatic?
Where'd you buy it from?

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Classic Arms?

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Is that Atlanta or something online? Okay? What kind of
pistols are you on? EAA witness full size and compact? Okay?
What is that? What about the one that was on
the bed, that's the full size? That's the full size one?
Words of what was the other one?

Speaker 7 (08:11):
The compact? Where was that at on the table by
the bed?

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah? Remember I was in there.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
Then you had that samurai sword? Yes, that's just a
I mean, that's not it's an expensive sword.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
It's just a knockoff. It's just one of the knockoff swords. Yes.
And what about the knife, which the big one that
was remember you showed me it was dole. Yes, what
kind of knife is that? Because I don't know kukery
or where do you get something like that online? I
bought it from a friend. Did you have any other

(08:46):
knives in the house? Yes, that I didn't say because
you didn't show me no other knives. That's the only one.
You show me. What other knives did I miss?

Speaker 4 (08:54):
There's a pocket knife that's on the table.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Are you a knife collector or a knife person or no?
You just like knives. I used to collect swords. I mean,
do you know your swords? You mean to sell and
trade swords? No?

Speaker 5 (09:10):
But you just bought here and there. Yes, but you
wouldn't consider yourself like a sword expert. Okay, because you
know they have that TV show where they sell stuff.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
You know, at night TV.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
But I don't know what it's called the knife shop
or something like that. Have you ever seen what I'm
talking about? I don't know if you have cable TV
or all Right, you know today we're still looking for

(09:44):
hard Do you know any of these other girls in
this picture?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Hmm? I know that she goes to the law school
and I can't remember her name, so she's studying and
being attorney too.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Is that how Lauren looked with the long hair the
last time you've seen her? Yes? Or she cut that's
how she looks? Yes?

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Kay h.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Well this was in twenty ten. Mhm. Who do you
think to Lauren away? I don't know. Well, I need

(10:44):
your help.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
Can you give me some what what is your observation
of this? I know you're smarter, Okay, I know you
have an observation. You can tell me what's what do
you think happened to her?

Speaker 1 (11:03):
I think someone took her? Do you think?

Speaker 5 (11:12):
I mean you watch TV shows right like you take
the shows? What's your observation?

Speaker 1 (11:17):
How do you think somebody would take her? If somebody
did take her when she was running? Does she normally run?
All the time?

Speaker 4 (11:26):
She runs?

Speaker 1 (11:28):
I don't know how often? You mean?

Speaker 5 (11:30):
You think somebody might have took her when she was running,
like down the street somewhere.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yes, you don't think somebody got her? When she got
back to her apartment. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
Well, you know there was a body found in the
trash can next to the apartments.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yes, you do all that. And it's a female, white female's.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
Body right there, right next to your apartment, feet with
them from her apartment. I mean, we don't know one
hundred percent sure it's Lord, but we're pretty confident it is.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
We'll wait for some tests to be done to be
one hundred percent sure.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
I mean, who would who would do something to somebody
throwing the trash can? I'm asking for your advice or
your observation.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Who in your complex would do something like that?

Speaker 5 (12:40):
You live over there for three years. Tonight's the first
night I think I've ever been over there in your
expert opinion of all your knowledge, are going through law
school and all that. Who in that complex do I
need to talk to? Don't no no names come to mind.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
You can't help me out a little bit. You can't
help me out. I don't know. You don't know anybody
at all that lives in that complex.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
You know earlier you told me about a guy that
lived in an apartment fifteen.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
I mean he's a decent guy, I think, so.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Don't y'all have a laundry room there or something. Yeah,
everybody has access to the laundry room.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
Can anybody be working all the apartments below you in
the last couple of weeks that you've noticed I haven't
seen anyone.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
But you don't. You don't know if they've been doing
work on that department number one? No. I mean earlier today, men,
you sit here and talk normal. What's going on with you? Now?
Why are you acting like this? I need to know
why all of a sudden you're acting like this.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
M hmm, I don't understand.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
Okay, earlier today we sit here and talked. But now
you're acting like you don't know what's going on?

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Hmm?

Speaker 5 (14:33):
I mean, does something happen or something to you? I mean,
why are you not Why are you shutting down? Why
are you not talking to me? I don't know, you
don't know. Are you scared?

Speaker 1 (14:47):
No? I mean you're not scared? Are you No? Are
you sad that something happened? Alarm? If that's her in
that trash can? Yes?

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Once the last time you said you can't remember the
last time earlier in the day that you took the
trash out to the trash can, right, am I wrong?

Speaker 1 (15:17):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
I mean because you said you like stayed inside the
whole the whole weekend. I think because you had all
your food and all that. You never went to Kroger
over the weekend or Walmart or anything.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
I don't remember that you could have. I don't know
when you go to Kroger.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
When you do go to the store to get your food,
do you use a credit card or you pay cash?

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Cash? Do you have a Kroger card? Yes?

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Okay, so the Kroger cards you'd be able to tell
if you were hey Kroger this weekend?

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Right? Yes? Do you swipe your car to just enter
your cell phone number? They scan it?

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Well?

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Because I ain't on my phone number because I can't
never remember to bring a car. But you don't remember
if you went over to Bay you drive your car?
Do you walk over there? You ever go to Walmart
on the East Town Great Highway? Or which Walmart do
you go to?

Speaker 1 (16:25):
When you go to Walmart Gray Highway?

Speaker 5 (16:28):
You don't ever go out to Zebelin Road, I don't think,
so you never been out there? You know where Zebblin
Road the new Walmart? No, you don't, So you just
basically go to the long Gray alway.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yes, Kay? Do you know where you're at tonight? Yes?
Where are you at?

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Detective Bureau?

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay? And you know why we've been working all day
trying to find Lauren? Right?

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Yes, because her family wont to know where she's at. Yes,
And I don't know what to tell her family. So
I'm asking you what do I need to tell her family?

Speaker 1 (17:08):
I don't know. What do you want me to tell him?
I don't know. Hm, You're gonna have to tell me
what to tell her family. It's all on you, brother.
What do you wanted me to tell her family? Humm?
I don't know. Well, I need to know. I need

(17:32):
to know.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Okay, there's something happened to Laurden.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
And you know you need to tell me.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
If you know something, because I need to know because
her family's down here.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Want to know what happened to her? I don't know.
You don't know? Now, that's what you want me to
tell her mother and her father that you don't know.
I that you're sorry that she's missing.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
I that you've been trying to help me all day
find her, but you just wanted me to tell her
I don't know. Are you a sorry piece of shit
that you want me to tell her that you got
your ass on that fucking news and stood out there
and gave a media report that her mother saw about

(18:37):
her missing daughter. And you want me to sit there
and tell them that you don't know? Is that what
you want me to tell him? Because you're all over
the news. You sure stood out there and ran your
mouth to the news media. But now you're gonna get
out here and you don't fucking know. You know, you're

(19:02):
just a sorry piece of shit that don't give a fuck?

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Right, Yeah, well.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
Why'd you tell the media everything? Do you need to
see what you told the media today? It was on
eleven o'clock news. Well, I'm asking you tell me.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
I want to know.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
I don't know where she is.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
That ain't what you told the media. You didn't stand
in front of that camera and.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Say I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Right?
You buy all these weapons? Was you ever in the military? No?

(19:56):
What do you need all these weapons for? Are you
scared of somebody's.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Gonna hur No?

Speaker 1 (20:02):
What do you need all these weapons for to have? Why?
There's a reason. Why were you molested as a child?

Speaker 9 (20:11):
No?

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Then why do you need all these weapons to have?
Why give me one good reason? Just give me one
reason to have Why does it make you feel important?

Speaker 1 (20:26):
No?

Speaker 10 (20:28):
Hmm?

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Are you a big guy because you got a weapon? No?
Do you even know how to use it?

Speaker 5 (20:35):
Yes, I need you to tell me what you want
me to tell her mother, and then I won't ask
you another thing. I'm not gonna tell her mother that
you don't know because her mother saw you on the
news tonight and she cried all the way down to
make it. Because you had the balls to get on

(20:55):
the news and tell everybody everything.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
You didn't have no problem talking to the news.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
And when I asked you questions, I'm asking you questions,
where's Lord?

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yes, you do know? You do? Don't you do know?

Speaker 5 (21:19):
You know?

Speaker 3 (21:22):
You know.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
You do know?

Speaker 5 (21:29):
And every band making those you knows because you got
your sorry ass on the news and told everybody.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
So every friend you have in making knows that you know.
Everybody go to school with, every one of your professors.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
Everybody knows that you know because you got on the
news tonight and told everybody that you know.

Speaker 11 (21:58):
Now, how do you think hmm?

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I think you're gonna be a walk down the street
tomorrow and nobody bother you hmm. I think nobody's gonna
come over and knock on your door to see if
you wanna talk to the media again. You don't know, Oh,
they're gonna be over there, brother.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
So this little act that you're doing right now ain't
working with me, okay, because you didn't have no problem
talking to.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
The media, no problem.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
So you can just snap out of it and tell
me what the hell happened so we can move on.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
I don't know how many times you're gonna say I
don't know.

Speaker 9 (22:54):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
How many times you're gonna say it.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
What are you gonna say, I remember, I don't want
to remember what happened to her?

Speaker 9 (23:08):
M hm?

Speaker 1 (23:08):
How many times you're gonna say that if you did
something that you regret, just let me know. I didn't
Well who did I don't know?

Speaker 5 (23:27):
Well, a body was found over here right next to
where you live, and what do you have in your apartments?

Speaker 12 (23:35):
A lot of knives, a lot of guns, right, yes,
And I'm asking you.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
About it and you're just saying, I don't know. That's all.
That's the only answer you can get is I don't know.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
It's six hours or a couple of hours ago you
was out there telling to me everything. You didn't stand
in front of that camera say, I don't know. You
were actually answering questions, right, How many interviews did you give?

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Three? I don't know, you gave like three?

Speaker 5 (24:23):
Do you think that was a proper thing to do
when a mother's looking for a child.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
They asked me, what happened? And what did you tell him?
What did you tell him that Lauren was missing? Okay?
What else did you tell him that we had been
looking for okay?

Speaker 4 (24:44):
And what and that we hadn't wondered?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
What else did they ask to I don't remember. Why
don't you remember?

Speaker 5 (24:56):
You're telling me that you you went through law school? Well,
you went through college first, right, did you graduate from college?
Now you're in law school? Did you graduate from law school?
But you don't fucking remember what they asked you to say? Afternoon,
h I just.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Don't believe that ship. Don't came back yet? So bad?

Speaker 3 (25:25):
You talked to some about his guns. Yeah, when was
the last time you shot those guns? You've never shot
a gun? Have you ever shot any gun in your
whole life?

Speaker 1 (25:34):
No? Never?

Speaker 10 (25:36):
No, So you bought three guns that you've never shot?

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (25:43):
Why to have?

Speaker 1 (25:46):
For? What? To have?

Speaker 10 (25:49):
For what I'm asking for?

Speaker 1 (25:50):
What?

Speaker 10 (25:52):
Why do you want to have them? What makes do
they give you?

Speaker 3 (25:54):
I mean, tell me why it's important to you to
have three guns. That's an easy question. Come on, talk
to me, buddy. Me and you've talked all day today.
We ain't had a problem communicating. Why is it important
for you to have three guns?

Speaker 10 (26:18):
Do you not know?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
No?

Speaker 10 (26:20):
Okay, you got a girlfriend?

Speaker 5 (26:24):
No?

Speaker 10 (26:26):
Who's your best friend?

Speaker 4 (26:28):
Michael Quinn?

Speaker 10 (26:29):
Michael who Quinn? Who is he?

Speaker 4 (26:32):
He was a law student with me?

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Is he?

Speaker 10 (26:36):
Does he still a law student now?

Speaker 4 (26:38):
He graduated?

Speaker 3 (26:39):
When was the last time you talked to him before
you moved up to Boston?

Speaker 10 (26:43):
How long ago was that?

Speaker 1 (26:45):
A few weeks?

Speaker 10 (26:46):
A few weeks?

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Like a month?

Speaker 10 (26:48):
Two Monch, two weeks, three weeks?

Speaker 6 (26:50):
What the beginning of June, beginning of June, the ending
of June.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Okay, so let me ask you a question. How you
say you don't know whe Lauren is right?

Speaker 7 (27:07):
Right?

Speaker 10 (27:09):
You said you told me earlier you and Lauren were friends?

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Right? Yes?

Speaker 10 (27:13):
How would you describe y'all's relationship?

Speaker 1 (27:17):
She was my friend, she.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Was your friend. What did you ever do things for
she ever do things for you? What did she ever
do for you.

Speaker 10 (27:27):
We talked, what'd y'all talk about?

Speaker 1 (27:30):
News? The news?

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Okay, earlier you was telling me something about you fixed
her computer before.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
I couldn't fix it.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
You couldn't fix it? What was wrong with it? I
don't remember how long ago was that.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Our own graduation?

Speaker 10 (27:52):
But how long ago was that?

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Middle of May?

Speaker 10 (27:55):
Middle of May? So you were over in her apartment
in the middle of May. Yes, have you been over
there since then?

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (28:03):
When was the last time you rove there?

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Last night?

Speaker 10 (28:07):
Before last night?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Have you ever been over there with Lauren since the
time you worked on her computer in the middle of May?

Speaker 1 (28:13):
No?

Speaker 10 (28:14):
How many times have you been in her apartment with.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Her hanging out? I don't know. You don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
If you had to guess, what was just I mean
one time, two times, three times?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
What maybe two?

Speaker 10 (28:40):
Maybe two?

Speaker 3 (28:41):
See, if I had only been somewhere twice, I could
remember that if I had been there over fifty times,
and you asked me how many times I've been, like,
I don't know a lot. But the fact that you've
only been there twice? When I say how many times
you been there? You say you don't know? That's just
odd to me. Does that make sense to you.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
You.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yes, that does make it so what I'm saying right
now makes sense. No, When was the last time.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
You saw long two or three weeks ago?

Speaker 3 (29:15):
And you have you been on vacation for the last
couple of weeks? You've been home every night?

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (29:21):
Has she been at home every night?

Speaker 1 (29:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (29:24):
Has she been on vacation?

Speaker 4 (29:26):
I think she was away for a while.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
How long? I don't know.

Speaker 10 (29:32):
Were you looking for? No, let me tell you.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Even if I didn't talk to my neighbors, I know
if my neighbors have been in and out. I hear
them come in, I hear them go out. I see
them when they walk by my window. I lived in
apartments most of my life. So the fact that you
haven't seen her in two or three weeks, that's just
odd to me. I'm gonna be on It makes me
feel like you're not being honest with me, Steven. Why

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would you not be honest with me?

Speaker 4 (30:02):
I am being honest, Stephen.

Speaker 10 (30:04):
It just doesn't feel like it, buddy.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
You know, I get the sense that there's something weighing
heavy on your heart right now, and it's breaking you down,
and you feel bad about it. I can tell you
you haven't slept much, have you in the last few days?

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Have you?

Speaker 10 (30:26):
No, like something's weighing on your mind.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Damn it.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
We were looking for Lauren.

Speaker 10 (30:32):
You started looking for Lauren yesterday. Yes, But you haven't
slept in several days, have you?

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (30:38):
You have. Yes.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Earlier when I talked to you, you said you hadn't
slept in days, that this morning was the first time
you was able to get into sleep.

Speaker 10 (30:45):
Was this morning for a little bit? No, Yes, that's
what you said. That's what you told me.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
So I asked you, if you have been able to
sleep in several days, what have you been doing studying?
And you said, yes, studying. You don't remember that. No,
what I want you to do. I'm gonna ask you

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this question. I want you to describe to me how
you feel right now.

Speaker 10 (31:33):
You don't know how to answer that with a yes
or nod.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Lauren's missing, This pretty little girl out here, your neighbor,
she's missing.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
I know you wasn't looking for last night. Yes.

Speaker 10 (32:01):
Did you hurt la No, Stephen, did you hurt on?

Speaker 3 (32:06):
No? I know this is hard for you to tell it,
but it's weighing on you right now, Ain't that Stephen?

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I didn't do it, but I know you could probably
help me with who did? Can't you? Buddy? Stephen?

Speaker 10 (32:29):
You know and I me and you both know. It's
no different than when you was a little kid, right.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
And you reached in that cookie jar and you got
caught after your mama told you not to get that cookie.

Speaker 10 (32:42):
And when she was did you get a cookie?

Speaker 13 (32:44):
No?

Speaker 14 (32:45):
And whenever you tell a lie, you feel bad about it?
Right then, one with every line is a chance you're
gonna get caught. And that weighs on you cause you
know you did something bad.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I'm all right. I didn't do it.

Speaker 10 (33:06):
You didn't take the cookie?

Speaker 1 (33:08):
No, what did you do? Buddy? I didn't do anything.

Speaker 10 (33:21):
Would you do the Lord?

Speaker 1 (33:23):
I didn't do anything.

Speaker 10 (33:25):
You saw laur last night though yesterday?

Speaker 1 (33:29):
No?

Speaker 3 (33:30):
What time was it that she went out to do
a laundry. I don't know where were you at yesterday?

Speaker 1 (33:38):
At home? What did you do at home?

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Tell me everything you did yesterday, from the time you
woke up to the time you went to sleep.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I checked the news at what time? I don't remember.

Speaker 10 (33:56):
Was it yesterday morning?

Speaker 1 (33:59):
I don't remember. What did you do when you woke up.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
I think I checked the news.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
All right, you check the news, okay? What you do
after that? I watched some videos online?

Speaker 10 (34:23):
Do you clean up?

Speaker 1 (34:26):
No? You didn't.

Speaker 15 (34:28):
No?

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Do you smell like you've been cleaning up? Like you've
been using cleaning to clean up? I know what that
smells like. My wife smells like that all the time
when she cleans our house. You've been using some kind
of cleaning to clean up your apartment, haven't you.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
No, Stephen?

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Did you tell me you live it like I made?
How does your apartment get cleaned?

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I clean it? Okay? When was the last time you
cleaned it? Stephen? I don't remember?

Speaker 10 (34:56):
Was it this week?

Speaker 3 (34:58):
No?

Speaker 10 (34:58):
You mean you go a whole week?

Speaker 1 (34:59):
What? I? Yes?

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Wow, that's horrible, Steve. Was it possibly over the weekend
last weekend?

Speaker 16 (35:09):
No, it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
If you can't remember, then how is it that you
can tell me that you didn't clean up your apartment
last weekend a minut ago you couldn't remember.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
I don't remember cleaning last weekend.

Speaker 10 (35:29):
So you it isn't that you didn't. That's that you
just don't remember.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Right, help me out, buddy, right, I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
You don't understand. I don't know how else to say it, Steve.
Let me tell you what I think.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I think that she was a friend of yours. Look
at her right here.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
I think that she was a friend of yours, and
I think something happened.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Stephen.

Speaker 10 (36:20):
You used to watch her come in and.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Out of her apartment, didn't you? No? I mean, then,
how were y'all friends? If y'all were, if me and
you friends, we live next door to each other.

Speaker 10 (36:32):
Every time I see look up, but I see y'all,
that's my buddy going in.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Because we're friends, I'm gonna pay attention to whether you
come in and out.

Speaker 10 (36:40):
Didn't you just tell me that y'all were friends?

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yes, but you don't.

Speaker 10 (36:45):
You didn't pay attention to when she came in and out. Stephen,
you're lying. Now, you're lying. You're just lying. That's a lie.
You you ever see her come in and out of
her apartment?

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (37:01):
You did? When was the last time? I don't remember,
you don't remember, like last week?

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Maybe I don't think so. You don't think so, Steven.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
You understand that everything that you're saying, he doesn't make
any sense at all, none, none.

Speaker 10 (37:22):
You totally contradict everything that relates to human behavior. We
have skills to be able to observe things, to hear things,
to see things.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
There are natural things out there that draw our attention
every day, such as when you're driving down the road
as somebody hits the horn, you look around.

Speaker 10 (37:40):
You know what I'm saying, that's is a natural reaction.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
If you're sitting in your living room, you hear the
doors stand next to you, you automatically think, my neighbor's home, right,
You're you're telling me that those kinds of things don't
happen in your life.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
You asked, if I watched.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Watch, have you noticed that she's came in and out
of our house in the last week or two?

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I don't remember. What do you remember, Steven? The last
time I saw her was two or three weeks ago.
Do whereat she was going out running when I was
coming in? Where were you coming in from?

Speaker 4 (38:29):
Bar preparation?

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Bar preparation? What's the bar preparation? Oh?

Speaker 10 (38:35):
You're preparing for the bar?

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Exn Yes, Okay, well, how y'all don't we're just talking.
He doesn't seem to really remember a whole lot. Everything's
yes or no, or I don't remember a lot of things,
aren't making anything. I gotta be honest with you, Steven,

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We personally, I don't feel like.

Speaker 10 (39:02):
You're being honest.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
Okay, well, Steven, you says he's gonna help me out
right with this investigation because we needed your help.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
We're asking you for help, right, that's.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
What Remember I told you that, Yes, and you told
me you're gonna help me, right, You're gonna help.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Me find Lauren?

Speaker 5 (39:22):
Right, yes, and ask for your opinion, your observation of
what happened or to her?

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yes? Right? What did you tell me I thought someone
snatched her? Right?

Speaker 5 (39:37):
Where do you think someone might have snatched her from?
If you're the detective, if you're the police detective, it's
your investigation. Where would you start your investigation?

Speaker 1 (39:52):
I don't know. Come on, now, you watched TV right, yes?

Speaker 5 (39:58):
Okay, you made through college, right, Yes, you made it
just about through law school?

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Right, yes, so you should know where would you start
your investigation? Where she was last seen? Okay? So in
this case, where was she last seen?

Speaker 4 (40:20):
At Garon's house.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
That's the guy who lives up on the street, right,
friend of hers? Yes, okay, all right, and that was
on I think she left there on Saturday morning. Yeah,
am I right? Okay? Now where do you think she
went from their house? I don't know?

Speaker 5 (40:46):
All right, you're the detective now right, it's your case.
What would you do?

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Check it her home? Okay? We did that? What you know?

Speaker 5 (41:00):
That's what we did today, right, you saw us out
there when we knocked on your door.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
She's not there.

Speaker 15 (41:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
I need your help in finding her. What do we
need to do? What do we need to do that
we haven't done? I don't know. You don't know.

Speaker 9 (41:26):
M hm.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
So if you had this case, you wouldn't be able
to solve this. Is that what you're saying, because you're
not smart enough to solve it.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
I don't know, or you think you're smart enough to
be the day I don't know. No, you gotta be
killing me.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Stevens Steven, So, Steven, listen to me.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
We're real people, and we're here to talk to you.
We're trying.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
We're I'd like to think that we're friends, Okay, friends
communicate back and forth.

Speaker 10 (42:01):
The only thing you said is yes or no when
I don't know, okay.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
It makes me feel like you're treating me like you
don't like me, and I feel like I've looked out
for you today. Everything you said you've wanted, I've given you.
I've tried to give you food several times. You know,
I feel like we've talked. You told me about how
you like to look at porn on the internet.

Speaker 10 (42:24):
You expressed to me that you're a virgin.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Correct, Yes, I mean that's the kind of stuff you
tell friends. You know what I'm saying, right, Yes.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
We need to know where your other car is. I
know you have.

Speaker 5 (42:35):
I already know you own another car. Okay, I don't,
Yes you do.

Speaker 10 (42:39):
Do you use another car?

Speaker 1 (42:40):
You've had another car? It's not in your name. No,
you don't.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
You've been using somebody else's car.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
Everyone I interviewed today say you have another car. These
people aren't making this up. You have another vehicle. Hm,
So your grandfather's a liar. That's that what you're saying.
You're calling your grandfather liar. I just talked to him

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and he said you own another car.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
I do. So he's lied to me, Stephen.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
We're telling way too many lies with you so willing
to tell me that you're a virgin, and that you
you told me you jack off the port on the internet.
But you don't want to admit to having another car.
That makes me think you got something to hide, Steven.
That concerns me. You tell me things that most people
wouldn't tell somebody else, But yet you lie about something

(43:43):
that you have another car.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
What's the big deal? I got three cars too, you do.
That's not what happened to it.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
I've never had another car.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
That's the only car you ever had in making Yes, Okay,
let me go talk to him again, because that's not
what he's saying.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Steven. What happened alone? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (44:15):
You like her, don't you?

Speaker 1 (44:17):
My friend?

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Did you ever think about having sex with him? No,
you never tried to talk to her on a dating level.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Let me gonna talk. They got his grandfather. Let me
go talk. Make sure that.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
He owns another car, because he's telling us he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Okay, you're right back.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
So you're telling me she got a pretty girl, right, Yes,
you're telling me you look at a pretty girl like that,
and you never once thought, ever, man, she looks good.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
You never thought that.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
I don't understand.

Speaker 10 (45:07):
What do you mean you don't understand?

Speaker 3 (45:08):
You know, when you're sitting there, you see a girl
walking down the road, and he said, man, that girl
looks good.

Speaker 10 (45:14):
You'll see a good looking god the way you think yourself. Man,
that girl looks good.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yes, you never thought that about her.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yes, So you mean to tell me you look at
pouring on the internet and get off to that. But
you never looked at her and said, man, I wonder
what it'd be like to have sex with her?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yes, you have no.

Speaker 10 (45:40):
Have you ever thought about what it would be like
to have sex?

Speaker 1 (45:42):
For No? You never imagined having sex for on? No,
have you ever had sex for on? No? What do
you know about that body we found today? I don't know.
You don't know.

Speaker 10 (46:09):
What if I told you that I believe that you
do know?

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I don't What if I told you that I could
prove it? I don't know. You don't know. Is there
a chance?

Speaker 3 (46:27):
But you do admit that there's a chance that I
possibly have evidence to show that you don't have something
to do with that body?

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Correct? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
You don't know, because if I hadn't done anything, I say, no,
there's no way.

Speaker 10 (46:46):
But you say you don't know. Why is that? Why
do you say you don't know? Is there a chance
that maybe something's there?

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Now?

Speaker 10 (46:53):
Why did you say you don't.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Know because I don't know, because.

Speaker 10 (46:57):
You're worried about something.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Maybe something happened, that maybe something got mixed up with something,
and you're.

Speaker 10 (47:02):
Worried about that.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
No, No, Why you say I don't know.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
Because I don't know.

Speaker 16 (47:10):
How would you not know? If I was asking you,
did you just rob a bank? If you didn't, you'd
say no, not. I don't know, right right? So why
do you say I don't know because I don't know?
You don't know if you had anything to do with
that body? I didn't You didn't.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Are you sure? Yes?

Speaker 10 (47:36):
What if I said I could prove that you did,
I don't know. Could you explain it?

Speaker 4 (47:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (47:49):
Today you told an investigator that you were.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Worried about as possibly finding blood in your apartment.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Didn't you? I don't remember you did.

Speaker 10 (48:03):
Now, why would you be worried about that?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
We all looked in the Lawn's apartment.

Speaker 10 (48:10):
Did you see blood that?

Speaker 3 (48:13):
What would make you think that that there was blood
taken over there? Nothing would make you think that unless
you saw it, Because see, I didn't see no blood.
None of the other lord's friends saw blood.

Speaker 15 (48:27):
But I know now that blood was there, And now
I believe you saw it.

Speaker 10 (48:35):
You saw that blood.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
You know that blood was there, and that's why you're
worried about it.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
No, did you know?

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Why do you have blood up in the inside of
your nose? I don't know, you don't know, But you
saw that blood. That's the only way that you would
be worried about it, because that's like saying, I'm.

Speaker 10 (49:07):
Worried about.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Red roses being under my pillow, but yet I never
put on that. That doesn't make any sense. You know,
your brain doesn't even think that I operate like that
unless you knew something was there.

Speaker 10 (49:26):
Does that make sense? That makes sense to You're a
smart guy.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Right, I don't understand you knew that there was blood
in that apartment. No, Yes you did, Stephen, Yes you did.
There's blood in your apartment, Stephen. That's right, there's blood

(49:59):
in your apartment.

Speaker 10 (50:02):
Stephen.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
This is hard, buddy. I know this is hard, and
I can tell it's someone. You want to let it go.
There's blood in your apartment, Stephen. You didn't get it
all up. It didn't all come off. You scrubbed and
you wiped. But we can tell that, don't you wipe
CSI Yeah, we know it, Steven. Why is there blood

(50:36):
in your bathroom?

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yes, you do know?

Speaker 10 (50:40):
Why is Stephen? Has anybody else been in your bathroom?

Speaker 1 (50:45):
The police were in there?

Speaker 10 (50:47):
Other than the police? Who else has been in there?
No one? And you recently cleaned your bathroom.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Didn't you?

Speaker 10 (50:59):
How long ago? A couple of days ago, over the weekend?

Speaker 1 (51:05):
No?

Speaker 10 (51:06):
No, you don't know.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
I don't remember cleaning it.

Speaker 10 (51:10):
Do you use drugs? You ever use acid?

Speaker 1 (51:14):
No?

Speaker 10 (51:15):
Are you your on medication?

Speaker 1 (51:17):
No?

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Your lies, Steven. I wanted to give you an opportunity
to tell it. I wanted to be here with you
to go through that process because I know you're not
a monster.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Man.

Speaker 10 (51:42):
I know you're not a bad guy.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
You're just a hard working student trying to pass the
boar examnns.

Speaker 10 (51:49):
You ain't got a lot of support from.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Your family, do you? Yes?

Speaker 3 (51:52):
You do, a lot of people can't say that, and
the fact that you do have support from your family
should make things easier to do. Your family wants to
feel like they've raised somebody that tells the truth and
is honest.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Right, Yes, did you hurt that girl? Stephen?

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Have you ever heard anyone, Stephen? Yeah, you never heard anyone.
I've heard people, Stephen. I've made mistakes in my life.

(52:38):
It's not even normally say you've never heard anybody. Sometimes
people get mad, they say things they don't mean to say.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
It hurts you never keep the dog or a cat.
You ever heard the kids that live up with your parents,
m You love those kids, don't you? Yes? Okay?

Speaker 5 (53:00):
And if something happened to one of those kids, you'd
be upset, right, Yes, Well, something happened this lady's child, Lauren. Okay,
you love your all the kids up there with your mama, right, yes?

Speaker 1 (53:19):
And you do anything for him, right? Yes?

Speaker 5 (53:21):
I mean they call it and say, hey, we need
you help us out.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
You'd help him out, right, Yes, we need you to
help us out. Okay. Tell me about your family.

Speaker 7 (53:37):
I have four adopted siblings that you love very much, right, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
What about your mama, she's a homemaker. Okay? What about
your daddy he's a painter. Close family, y'all close? Yes?
When was the last time you talk to them when
we got together? What was that a few weeks ago?

(54:08):
Did you go up there to see them or they
come down and seating? We went to Buckings.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
I like Bugers, the chicken place with the table spins around. Yes,
and you just drove up their metal. Yes, they bring
all the kids with them. Yes, they didn't come back

(54:35):
and make it. Well, they asked you how he was
doing in school?

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Whenever? Really yes, mm hmm. You had total.

Speaker 5 (54:51):
To take the chat that you've never shot any of
those guns that were in your apartment?

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yes, have you?

Speaker 5 (54:58):
No, Well you've never I went to the shooting range
here and making and did some shooting.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Hmm No, any gun? No, you never had.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
Did you make the mistake and told people at school
that you used to go to the shooting range and shoot?

Speaker 1 (55:16):
No, you've never said that. No. Do you even know
how to load? Yeah? This gass is? That was this gas? Right? No?

Speaker 5 (55:28):
What was it?

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Nay? Kay? Same well, same thing, just different. You don't even
know how to load it?

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (55:36):
What kind of rounds it take? Seven?

Speaker 4 (55:39):
Six, two thirty nine?

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Okay? What's the capacity of that clip that you had?

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Thirty rounds?

Speaker 1 (55:46):
What's it loaded? Is it loaded? The magazine is fool? Okay?
Got around in the chamber? No? Why not safer?

Speaker 5 (55:58):
That way safer it's just you and the bar, right, Yes,
why do you think it's safeer that one?

Speaker 4 (56:08):
No chance of it getting knocked over? And going off.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
I mean, no one lives with you, just you.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Well, let's contravel distance.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Well, how do you know that? I've read up about it?
Well on what the computer? Yes?

Speaker 5 (56:32):
What about your pistols? You never fired any of those
pistols now? Were they loaded tonight?

Speaker 1 (56:41):
The magazine is full on the ten millimeter.

Speaker 7 (56:46):
There's one around in the chamber in nine milimeter and
a full magazine was the.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
Nine milimeters of the full size one of the compact
one compact and you've never you've fired any of those weapons.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Where do you buy your ammo? Have you ever purchased
any animal here? Making? Yes? From where hate to ze guns?
And was that on? Yes? When was the last time
he was day the guns? Years ago? Do you have
a permit? Yes? Carry what you do here in Bibb County? Yes?

Speaker 5 (57:26):
Okay, you applied when he was working down at the
county or kind of applied last fall?

Speaker 1 (57:35):
So you have your card? Yes? Is it with you? Yes?
I see it?

Speaker 5 (57:43):
They make they still make you take your fingerprint now
or yes, let me see your car?

Speaker 1 (57:51):
How much does it cost now? You remember?

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Around eighty dollars.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Mm hm.

Speaker 5 (58:01):
So it expires in twenty sixteen? Yes, do you have
any pictures of the kids. M No, they didn't give
you no pictures when they were in school.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
That picture of your parents.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
No, you got no pictures, no at all, not at
your apartment. You have something at your apartment.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
So okay, what do the kids call you, Stephen?

Speaker 5 (58:30):
Okay, so you're just a brother or uncle or brother
brother Steven.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
None of them ever come and visit you here and
makeon y m hm hmm. About this car.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
When you first moved to Macon, did you have another automobile?

Speaker 1 (59:03):
No?

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Never, No, when you moved to Macon, that's you brought
that geo prison with you.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yes, you never left the car back there at your mother's.

Speaker 5 (59:14):
No, why'd you tell everybody at school that you had
that other vehicle? I didn't, So everyone we talked to
just made that story up about you talking about your
other vehicle.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
I don't have another vehicle.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
When's the last time you've been at Kroger in Baconsfield?
I don't remember, okay, because I asked you that. And
one's the last time when you were at Walmart?

Speaker 1 (59:46):
I don't remember. It's been a long time. Can you
even give me that much?

Speaker 5 (59:52):
No?

Speaker 1 (59:54):
A week or so. Maybe? Do you even have a
credit card. Yes, which credit card do you use the most? Lisa?
It is just just a bank name or just a visa?

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
First Financial bank?

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Is that hair and making? No? First Financial? You got
a bank account with them? Now? Well, whose account they
just sent you a visa? You don't have a bank
account I have. Where are you putting your money?

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
You putting all your money in your house with all
the food you got in there?

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
I have an account with Wakovia. You're a Macon? Yes?
Is do you buy your stuff at Walmart with this
visa card? Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
How do you usually pay for stuff at Walmart with cash?

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Do you have a job? No? Well, how do you
get cash? Student loans? So you're just living off your
student loans? Yes? So you hadn't worked like a job

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in a while? Now okay, are you planning on getting
a job? Yes? I mean cause your lungs are gonna
run out sooner or later on? Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
How long you got left to finish your school up?
Are you finished completely?

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
Why are you planning on moving out of that apartment?
I mean, what's your lease?

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Son?

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
Around July fifteenth? Where you plan on going when you
move out?

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Back to my parents?

Speaker 5 (01:01:48):
And where is that at Do you even know your
mother's phone number?

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
I know the home phone number?

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
What's that? What's the air code of there? Seven? Seven? Oh?
Uh three? Eight? One? Uh? Huh?

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Five zero three one?

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
What's your mother's name? Glinda? Has she ever had a
drug problem?

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
No, she's been home your whole entire life, raising it
mostly where was she wants you to live?

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Mostly? Raising it?

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
Preschool?

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Oh? She had school teachers long? Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
Do you know how I've already told you that there
was a body discovered?

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Right? And the trash containers over there? You're your apartment?
Do you know how that body got in number with
that trash can? Now? Do you have any black trash
bags in your apartment? Like that you used for trash?

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
Do you? Can you help me? Do you know where
any black trash bags are in that apartment?

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Gone? Flex?

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
Have you ever seen any around? Has someone been over
there cleaning up? Or have you ever seen anybody painting
an apartment? Have you seen any painters? Because you're home
most of the day, right, yes, have you seen any
of that?

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
No? Do you know when the garbage van usually comes
over there? No? Do you know anything? Yes? Do you
know I asked you forred what do you know? You
haven't provided me with nothing. I mean, when's the last

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time you were in that laundry round at the apartments
last night? What were you doing last night?

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Luke and I were looking for Lauren.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Did y'll see anything unusual or out of place?

Speaker 15 (01:04:06):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Okay? There was one washer that had clothes in it.
Whose clothes were there? You know?

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Luke said, they looked like a guy's clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
But you didn't look in the machine. I didn't look
in the tail. What kind of knife did you have
on you tonight?

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
A little throwing knife?

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Where'd you have it in your front pocket? Yes? Do
you own any saws.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
Or anything like that? No, there's not anything in your car?

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Is there? No the trunk or anything? Now, when's the
last time you've actually drove your car?

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
Like once?

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Somewhere in your car.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
Within the past few days?

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Al right?

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
In today's Well it's now Friday, but yesterday it was Thursday.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
That's when you met me. Yes, have you drove driven
your car this week at all? Yes? What day? I
don't remember? You don't remember? Well, what do you remember
about your car?

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
I drove to Kruger.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
In Baconsville across the river when What do you think
that might have been?

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
You don't remember. Why would you go to Kroger.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
To get something?

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
What dinner? Have you got a lot of food in
your house? Right? Yes? What day do you think that
might have been? Was it over the weekend? No? Was
it Monday? I don't think so? Was it Tuesday?

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
I don't think so?

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
What day would you think it was? If you had
to pick a day? What day? Was you hungry on Wednesday? Maybe? Wednesday?
You don't remember? What you bought? Uh? Dinner? Frozen dinner?

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
I like the frozen section, microwave dinner? No, oh, frozen
day cooking the oven?

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Yes? Okay'd you go over there by yourself? Yes? Okay?
Did you go anywhere else that night?

Speaker 9 (01:07:00):
That day?

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Just during the programming you came home? Yes? Did you
go anywhere this week?

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
I don't know, shopping at the mall or looking at
guns at A and Z or.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Go anywhere else? No? When was the last time you
cleaned your car?

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
I haven't since I got it packed?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
And where'd you get it back from? My parents? How
would they have it?

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
For their van was in the wreck?

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
So would they do come get your car?

Speaker 17 (01:07:35):
Or?

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Yes? So? They came to making and got your car
and then left. The wreck was down here? Oh it Macon.

Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
Yes, so they were staying with you when they were
in the wreck. No, well what were they doing in making?
The van was going to be worked on here and making? Yes,
well where's the van at now that they got back
it was total. So they weren't making and they get

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they were in the wrecking making.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
My mom was and she was down here making because.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
The air conditioner was malfunctioning.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Why was she a Macon.

Speaker 7 (01:08:18):
Though, Because there's a place in making that's the best
at air conditioning repair.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
And you told her about to come down and make
it and get her Recondi's fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Well how do you know that? She told me.

Speaker 5 (01:08:33):
Oh, so she just drove to Macing to get her
air condition fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Yes, she was in a wreck, yes, total out her
car her van. Yes, so she came to your house
to get your car.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
I drove her back.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
I was following. Yeah, you drove her back to where
to my apartment? Where was the van?

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
It was toad?

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
Okay, because it's told she stay at your apartment spend
a night with you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
No, she stayed just a few minutes and leave or what.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
She stayed about an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
When's the last time you talked to your mother, Glinda?
I don't remember. Has it been a while, it's been
a few days. Do you call her every day? No,
you don't check on the kids. No? M mmmm, show

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me that scratch again that she showed me earlier. That
was it a What did you say happened there?

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
I do think I scratched myself in my sleep.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
Oh, are you gonna be able to help me with
this case or not?

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Because I need to tell my parents something. Huh. I
don't know. You don't know what You don't know what
happened to her? Why don't you know if you can help.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Because I don't know if I know what you need?

Speaker 5 (01:10:10):
I need to know if you know where Lauren's at
or do you know who took Lauren?

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
You told me that if you were working the cage,
you would think somebody would take her when she was running.
Why would you say that? When we looked in her apartment,
there was no sign that was broken into.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
Okay, so you're figuring somebody might have took her while
she was out running. Yeahs up, you're saying, did you
see her go running this weekend at all, well, that
would help if you did. What time does she normally
run at night or daytime? Can you at least tell
me that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
I don't know. Did she like to run in the
early morning or the late night? The last time I
saw her was midday, like noonish? Yes, okay, she was
going running when I was coming back from bar prep.
Has that been a while? Two or three weeks? Okay?

(01:11:19):
Did she speak to you? No? You just just saw
her out running. I was in my car.

Speaker 5 (01:11:29):
Well did you see her when you were like pulling
in the parking lot or you just saw her run
down the road?

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Was she outside her apartment getting ready to go run?
Or was she already running at the time you saw
her already running? Okay, she was running by herself. Yes,
she didn't have her dog with her, didn't she?

Speaker 14 (01:11:47):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
Did you get along with everybody when you worked down
with the District Attorney's Office?

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Yes, no problems. No. Did you like doing what you
used to do down there?

Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
Or what?

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Yes? Who did you work for?

Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
I mean who is your Did you help out everybody
or were you assigned to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Just a certain person mainly Jonathan Adams? Okay? How long
did you work down there? What's spring semester and you
enjoy doing that kind of world.

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
Yes, so you should be able to help me, right, yes,
because you're on our side, right, Yes, what do you
think I need to do?

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
I don't know. There we go again with that on
a Come on now, you can give.

Speaker 17 (01:12:47):
Me some advice, right, you can't give me some advice?
Well what I should do next?

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
M m. You can't tell me what you think I
should do next? I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
Well, we found a body outside the apartment, right, we
know that?

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:13:15):
Yes, you're saying you didn't hear or see anything like
the whole time you've been there over the weekend. Right,
we've talked to you, right, right, we've talked to most
of all her friends. Is there anybody else we need
to talk to that you might know that we didn't?

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
Let's talk about the apartment complex, anybody in that complex?

Speaker 18 (01:13:41):
That what?

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Anybody else we need to talk to?

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
I don't know who you have talked to?

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Who? Let's below you the older woman and her son?
Were they home tonight or today? I don't know you did, Sam?
Do you ever? Sam? Yes? But you don't know if
they were home today? She doesn't have a car, so

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it's really hard to tell with her home. Yes, you
ever talked to her? Yes? Does she work anywhere? I
don't know? Mhm. Do you ever get tired of saying
I don't know? M hmm? What else you got in

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your wallet? There? Brother? I bear a card.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
Once that used for to get into the building.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
What else you got?

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
My bank card? My Croaker card?

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Is that the card you use a groner? Yes? Oh,
I'm gonna write down this number.

Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
Since you don't know the last time you were there,
I'm I'm assuming you used your card when you were there?

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Yes, right, I always use my card. I just won't
go write down number.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
You can remember that you always use your card, but
you can't remember last time you were there.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
I always used my card.

Speaker 5 (01:15:49):
Well, what if you didn't use them?

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
What else you got in there? My Border's card, h.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
Ink card, my ID?

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
What's that?

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
I'll go to registration?

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
What's that Mercer?

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
What's that mercer? Lock half card?

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
What's that? Use a free camera at home? Or that's
just a phone? Numbers numbers for have companies here and making?
What's that card?

Speaker 18 (01:16:46):
Game?

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Stop?

Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
Okay, no phone numbers or anything?

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Yeah? Mm hmmm.

Speaker 5 (01:17:03):
Mmkay, put your money back up that there's one hundred
dollars bill up onttle that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
What do you roll with all that money you're bought
or for.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
Your granddaddy gave it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Do you take any medication?

Speaker 15 (01:17:26):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Have you ever taken any medication? No? Do you have
any kind of moral problem?

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Now? You know it's crazy. I was talking to people
that he works with and everything they talk about how
he's always expresses himself. He's very talkative. Stidn't they say,
you're so talkative, buddy, that you're always so friendly, You

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stop in and say hello, and you talk. Why is
it that you're at and so short with us tonight?
If you if you have all this kiddam personality about you,
why is it that everything that we get from us?

Speaker 9 (01:18:06):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
No, I don't know. I don't know. Were you sure
we're talking to the media tonight. Weren't they asked what happened?

Speaker 9 (01:18:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
That's what we're asking you?

Speaker 10 (01:18:22):
What happened?

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
What'd you tell them? You just knew that you didn't know?
Mm hmm. Do you drink it all? Do you drink beer?
At least? I gotta know stuff I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:18:45):
Stephen, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
We have to go to our best resources when we're
trying to do anything.

Speaker 10 (01:18:58):
You know, it's kind of like the guy who wants
to get his will change.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
She goes.

Speaker 10 (01:19:02):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
We're looking for laur and you said you were her friend?

Speaker 10 (01:19:07):
Onto her friend? Yes, y'all good friends?

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Yes? How good are friends? Are y'all? Friends?

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
Like?

Speaker 10 (01:19:15):
How good are friends?

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
I don't understand.

Speaker 10 (01:19:20):
You don't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
You don't understand how good a friends y'all are?

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
You don't understand what you ask?

Speaker 10 (01:19:28):
How good are friends are y'all?

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Who are friends? Are y'all close friends? Are y'all just acquaintances?
Y'all studied?

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
I mean?

Speaker 10 (01:19:40):
How good are friends?

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Y'all? We're friends?

Speaker 10 (01:19:43):
Are y'all really good friends?

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
I don't know?

Speaker 10 (01:19:48):
You don't know. How do you not know? If you're
not a really good friend? Let me ask you this.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Maybe you're saying that because you don't know how she
feels about you.

Speaker 10 (01:19:59):
How do you feel about her? Do you consider her
a really good friend? She's a friend, but not a
really good friend.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:20:10):
You don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
How do you not know?

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
I don't know what you mean? I really could.

Speaker 10 (01:20:17):
Are y'all really close.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
No, No, you're not. No, so y'all you never told
her any of your personal business? No, she ever tell
you any of hers No? Do you ever see her upset? No?

Speaker 10 (01:20:33):
She was always a happy person, wasn't she?

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:20:45):
Why are you acting like this?

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Stephen?

Speaker 10 (01:20:50):
You see how I'm able to talk in complete sentences.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
We're having a conversation, but the only thing you're bringing
to the table is that yes, no, or I don't know?

Speaker 10 (01:21:05):
Why is that?

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Stephen?

Speaker 10 (01:21:10):
I don't don't understand. What don't you understand?

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
I want to be able to help you, community, to
be able to communicate with me better than that, Stephen.

Speaker 10 (01:21:22):
I feel like we can help each other. Stephen, Did
you hurt that girl?

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:21:37):
Do you know where she's at?

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:21:42):
Would you tell me if you did?

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:21:55):
Have you lied to be at all in this interview?

Speaker 5 (01:21:58):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:21:59):
Yes, you have, Stephen.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
It's just you have.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
When you say you don't know when the last time
you cleaned your bathroom is, that's a lie. When you
say you don't know the last time you saw her
coming and out of her apartment, and you don't notice
whether ornight she comes in and out, that's another lie.

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Your door was only a few feet from hers. You've
told some lies in this interview, Stephen, without a doubt.
When was the last time you did laundry a few
weeks ago? You ain't washed clothes in a few weeks?

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Yeah, why, I have a lot of clothes. No, you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
That's another lie. That's right, that's three lives, Steve. You
don't have a lot of clothes, Yes, I do. No,
you got enough underwear to last you three weeks?

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:23:19):
Do you wear the same pair of underwearing mother one day?

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Yes? Why?

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
Because it's still clean enough to wear?

Speaker 10 (01:23:35):
Steven.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
I appreciate you coming down here today and talking to us, Okay,
I appreciate you cooperating with us and and helping us along.
But you've lied to me about at least three things
in this interview. And people don't lie on us they got.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Something to hide.

Speaker 10 (01:23:56):
Why would you lie to me, Stephen?

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
I didn't lie, surely did?

Speaker 10 (01:24:02):
You said you don't even notice when she comes in
and out of her apartment.

Speaker 19 (01:24:05):
That's a lie, Stephen, I said, I didn't remember the
last time.

Speaker 10 (01:24:11):
Have you ever watched her going on her apartment? No,
you've never How long y'all been neighbors?

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Three years?

Speaker 10 (01:24:17):
Three years, and you've never watched her walk through her
front door?

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
Five secs, I said, have you ever watched her walk
into apartment? You said no, So I'm gonna ask you again.
Have you ever watched her walk into her apartment?

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:24:39):
When was the last time?

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
A long time ago?

Speaker 10 (01:24:43):
How long before graduation? It's been that long? And you
graduated when you.

Speaker 6 (01:24:50):
May beginning to may in the main in the middle,
and you hadn't sent her walking her apartment since?

Speaker 9 (01:25:03):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:25:04):
Did you ever help her care at groceries and stuff
like that?

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
No? Never?

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
No, you ever help her care laundry. No, she's never
needed your help with anything.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
She asked for help with the computer.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
You ever offer help with her for anything kid and
stuff or anything like that?

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Yes?

Speaker 18 (01:25:28):
Like what Stephen, when she was moving out during the
first summer, what did you do? She needed help moving
stuff to her.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Car and you helped her. Yes, so you went and
out of her apartment moving stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:25:48):
How long did you help her?

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
A few minutes?

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
That's it. Yes.

Speaker 10 (01:25:53):
Do you realize how you're talking right now? Does it
not feel weird to you?

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:25:59):
Would you say that this is how you talk all
the time.

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
You're just not expressing yourself at all. Everything's with you
is yes, No, I don't remember. I don't understand. You
can't help me out with anything. There's nothing you can
tell me to help me about this beautiful girl right here, Steven,
that was your friend.

Speaker 10 (01:26:33):
Nothing. You're gonna let things go down like this.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
I don't know what you want.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
I want the truth, Stephen.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
I don't know where she is.

Speaker 10 (01:26:47):
Let me ask you this. You I actually believe you
don't know where she is right now?

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
Where was she yesterday? I don't know, Liar, that's right,
you're lying.

Speaker 10 (01:27:19):
Why are you liaring?

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Stephen?

Speaker 10 (01:27:21):
Yes, you are oring. How long do you continue to
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
She's got a mother and a father and a family
out there that is sick over everything.

Speaker 10 (01:27:32):
Where is that little girl, Stephen? I don't know, Stephen?

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
You know where I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:27:42):
Stephen. You're gonna look at this right here, this little
girl right here, and you're gonna say you don't know.
I know, you know, don't Yes, you know?

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
What are you gonna say tomorrow when I say we
got your hair with the body, What are you gonna
say to me then? Because you know, like I go
like that, look at my hair. That's how easy it
falls out. Look at all that on your head. You
don't think nothing fell out?

Speaker 10 (01:28:15):
It did? It did, Stephen. We just wanted to give
you an opportunity to tell it so you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Didn't look like a monster at the end, because you
know what, I don't believe that you're a monster, Stephen.

Speaker 10 (01:28:34):
I believe that you're a good guy.

Speaker 13 (01:28:36):
You've been picked on, girls didn't show you the respect
that you deserved. You did something stupid, and I believe
you feel bad about it, and that's why you're all
freaked out right now.

Speaker 10 (01:28:47):
But I'm giving you the opportunity to get right. I've
given you an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
To show everybody you're not a monster that you feel
bad about what happened.

Speaker 10 (01:28:57):
Your head is then youre man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Your hair is.

Speaker 10 (01:29:01):
There, We got your hair with the body. How is that, Stephen?

Speaker 15 (01:29:08):
Yes, you do know, Yes, you do know, Stephen. That's right, buddy.

Speaker 11 (01:29:21):
See that.

Speaker 10 (01:29:24):
Look at it. See how easy it happens. And it
happened to you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Why stephenstand?

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
Oh, you understand, you understand exactly what I'm saying.

Speaker 10 (01:29:50):
See this stuff right here?

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Your hair, Yeah, it fell out of your head when
you was moving the body Stephen, that's right.

Speaker 10 (01:30:04):
You remember moving the body, Yes you do, Stephen?

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Why? Man?

Speaker 10 (01:30:17):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Why tell me, bud, I didn't do it? Yes you did, Stephen.
Your heads with the body quit, Lyne. We want you
to tell it so that way people are understanding.

Speaker 10 (01:30:38):
You're not a monster. Things just you got out of control.
It's a sickness. Why'd you do it? Stephen? Steven?

Speaker 9 (01:30:51):
Why are you going to keep telling that you hurt
that girl? Yes, you did, Stephen?

Speaker 13 (01:31:02):
You heard her, man, she was screaming, screaming, Stephen?

Speaker 9 (01:31:11):
Why and I know you feel bad about it? I
can see it in your face? What came over you?

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Man?

Speaker 10 (01:31:25):
What happened? Stephen?

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
I don't know. I know you don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:31:31):
You can't. You couldn't control it, could you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
I didn't do it, Stephen?

Speaker 10 (01:31:38):
How long are we going to continue to do this?

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
You did?

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
Why?

Speaker 10 (01:31:44):
Is what I want to know?

Speaker 20 (01:31:45):
I didn't do it, Stephen. You hurt that girl, man,
and you got on the news today.

Speaker 10 (01:31:57):
That's right, you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
You wouldn't talk looking like this on the news, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Yeah, you hurt this girl?

Speaker 10 (01:32:11):
Yes, you did.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
You hurt that girl? Why'd you hurt of Stephen? You
hurt that girl? Did you try to make her have

(01:32:36):
sex with you?

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Paul?

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Who did it? They got your hair? They steal your
hair and take it over there, Stephen. They steal your hair.
It didn't did they?

Speaker 10 (01:33:00):
Did they?

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Stephen? That's right?

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
It's all stinking in right now. He knows, is what
you're thinking, Steven. I don't want it to be a
game between me and you. I know it hurts, and
I know you're not an awful person.

Speaker 10 (01:33:21):
And you want to tell it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Your hair was there, Stephen. We've all known it all along.
We wanted just to give you an opportunity to tell
what happened. Y'all have sex? No, do you try to
have sex?

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
No? Think about having sex?

Speaker 10 (01:33:46):
No liar.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Kind of man doesn't think about having sex. You said
earlier you like girls? Right, Yes, she's a pretty girl.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Right? Yes? What did you do to her? Stephen?

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):

Speaker 10 (01:34:05):
You're lying You.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
Hurt that girl?

Speaker 10 (01:34:09):
I did, Sure it didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
That's why you're having this massive meltdown right now, because
you can't live with yourself, can you?

Speaker 10 (01:34:17):
It's overwhelming you, isn't it? Tell the truth?

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
Stephen? I didn't do it.

Speaker 10 (01:34:23):
Who did it?

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
I don't know, Yes you do, Stephen. Why why did

(01:34:46):
you heard that girl? I didn't. Why did you heard
of Stephen? I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
You hurt that girl? Now, I'm sure you did. You
know it, and I know it. You just don't want
to tell it, Stephen. But that's okay, I know it.
I just want to give you an opportunity to tell
it so people didn't think you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Were a monster. You're not a monster, all you, Steven.

Speaker 21 (01:35:32):
No, I know, buddy, I know you're not a monster.
Tell me what happened. I don't know you tried to
have sex with her? No, she didn't want to have
sex with you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
I didn't do it. She didn't want to have sex
with you, Steve, I don't know. You don't know if
she wanted to have sex with you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
I didn't do anything that you did, Stephen.

Speaker 10 (01:36:08):
You went into her apartment, Steven, when you hurt that girl?

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 10 (01:36:19):
You did, buddy?

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
You heard her? Steven?

Speaker 19 (01:36:26):
No, I didn't that he did. Why won't you tell me, Stephen,
I didn't do it.

Speaker 10 (01:36:47):
You take this from me. You don't deserve to look
at it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Just stay right here, okay, Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:36:55):
I appreciate all your cooperation.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
It tonight.

Speaker 10 (01:36:58):
Okay, m.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
Fie u s m alright, we're getting ready to go.

Speaker 5 (01:42:19):
I just need to discuss a few more things with you.
You know, the reason why we're down there is because
Lauren's missing, Right, I.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
Just need you to please tell me, give me ane
where you.

Speaker 5 (01:42:38):
I know earlier today you told me you stayed home
all weekend, right in your apartment.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
Yes, And.

Speaker 5 (01:42:49):
Did anybody see you? Did you talk to anybody over
the weekend? Or you on your computer all weekend? Is
there anything I can look at that I and say
he couldn't be involved because he was on the computer,
or he was online on a porn side, or he

(01:43:12):
was online doing college work, or anything that would exclude
you as being involved altogether. I mean, did anybody see
you this weekend at the house? Did you go out
to get a newspaper? Did you wave to a neighbor
or you just locked yourself in all week Yes? Nobody

(01:43:34):
saw you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
I mean, what do you just stay in the house
all day? Yes? I may what do you do all
day in als? Play video games by yourself? Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:43:47):
You never talked to anybody on the phone or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Well, who calls you Parry? I mean you've always done
that your life. You don't have no friends? How can
you go your whole life without a friend? I have friends.
We're there mm hmm, we're that.

Speaker 5 (01:44:16):
You have the friends here making yes, name one, because
everybody talked to you said they ain't your friend.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
Lame Granger, cast Lawson, Ashley Moorehouse. That's the same people
I talked to today and they're not your friend. Okay,
we're not your friend.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
M hm hm.

Speaker 5 (01:44:44):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
It's all over anyways. I just want to know what
was going on, like the game's over.

Speaker 5 (01:44:57):
I mean, we know what you did there, so we
just want to know what you if you're gonna tell
usion about I didn't do anything, that's what you say,
Well we know different.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
So you're fucked either way. You're fuck. We already know.

Speaker 5 (01:45:26):
And everybody out there, all your friends know that you're
down here because of what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
Alarm.

Speaker 5 (01:45:32):
It's all those friends that you thought you had are
not your friends anymore. Okay, there'll be no more video games,
all right? Oh, this is the end.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
Is there anything you want to say, I didn't do anything?
Well that's what you say. That's what you say. Stick
to your story because it's over. We're tired of talking
to you.

Speaker 5 (01:46:13):
Okay, we know you killed her. We know you put
her body in the trash can.

Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
Simple as that. The news media knows that.

Speaker 5 (01:46:27):
Glinda knows that your mother, your sister knows that, your
sister's husband knows it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
The one that used to beat your sister, he knows it.
You know what he said. He said, he's a crazy
Motherfucker's what he said. When I call him.

Speaker 5 (01:46:47):
That's your own family calling you crazy. Your own family
said you're crazy. Nobody wants to say you. Nobody's coming

(01:47:08):
to visit you. So you can sit there with that
dumb look on your face.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
But it's over.

Speaker 5 (01:47:20):
You enjoyed yourself and it's all over now. Okay. Anything
you want to say, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
I didn't do anything. Well that's what you say, and
I'm telling you you did. Okay, Simple as that. You're
not in charge. I am. I just took it away
from you. That's one thing you can't change. Brother. You
can't change that. You're going no longer in charge of anything.

Speaker 5 (01:47:59):
M h.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Okay, you understand that.

Speaker 16 (01:48:07):
Yah?

Speaker 5 (01:48:12):
Yeah, talk to Glinda. She's crying, kah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
She's supposed to be coming down there. I told the
whole story. And they told me what you used to
tell them about your next door neighbor too. Yeah, what what?

Speaker 11 (01:48:46):
You can't say nothing now you're speechless. Hm hmm, yeah,
she should be in a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:49:00):
I promised her. I'll let her see you and the
kids almost she's bringing them all or not before you
go on down.

Speaker 1 (01:49:06):
All right, Okay, I didn't do anything. Doesn't matter what
you think you did, It doesn't matter. It's what I
can prove.

Speaker 5 (01:49:18):
Okay, Okay, mister smarty pants, m.

Speaker 1 (01:49:29):
Promise her. I'll let her see you. So I'm waiting
on them to get out here, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:49:41):
Okay, I'm taking Glinda's statement about what you used to
tell her about your neighbor, about what you used to
tell her about your guns and your knife and your
sister's husband's coming because he said you're crazy. Your sister

(01:50:03):
is marriage still right? Yes, he used to beat her
back in the day. Huh Were you sitting here and
think about it for a little bit of day? Okay,
got plenty of time to think, now, don't you. Hmm yep,

(01:50:31):
got plenty of time to think. You thought you were
smarter than everybody else, but you're not.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
You're not.

Speaker 5 (01:50:42):
Sad thing about it is you probably could have made
something with your life, but you chose a different route
because one you don't have a girlfriend, and two you're
never gonna get a girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (01:50:59):
H H. I'm listening my ears.

Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
I don't know what you want me to say.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
I won't you say nothing. You're fucked either way. Do
you understand that I didn't do anything? That's what you
that's your SETH story. H. That's your SETH story.

Speaker 5 (01:51:46):
Works both ways, brothers, birthways. There will be no more yelling.
Ain't nobody gonna yell at you. They're gonna come here
and cry ah, kiss you goodbye. I won't take their statement,
and that's all over. You do understand that, right?

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):

Speaker 5 (01:52:15):
That's what you say. That's what you say because you
haven't told us anything. Do you realize what I'm telling you?

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:52:39):
Okay, Well you sit there and think about it a
little bit. Okay, I'll come back and check on.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
H.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
Thought you were smarter than there everybody, but you fucked up.
Fucked up. Somebody always leaves something in a crime saying
you fucked up. MH. You fucked it up. H.

Speaker 5 (01:53:26):
First, I didn't really believe you had anything to do
with it. It's a man that couldn't have been him.
He used to work down Diaz Alls with us. He's
a good guy, he used to help us out, a
friendly guy everything. It couldn't be him. He could have

(01:53:47):
done something like that. H. We work through talking to you,

(01:54:09):
just waiting for them to come visit you. Are you
through with your little show you've been putting on all day?

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
Mm? Are you three? Hm? You're not gonna win. Too
much evidence, too much evidence, too much. Appreciate you talking

(01:54:47):
to me and I'm just hang tight. They'm glad to
be down here in a minute. How old do you
take the drive down Interstate? Hell? You don't hang die, okay, mkay?

Speaker 5 (01:55:00):
Five?

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
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