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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to your top through Crime hob for the variety
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hi, how are you okay?

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Special special here because of soft and I'm so grand
over Matt, are we no? Can you? It's Brian? Welcome through?
How do you spend your last night? You want my
full name of my last your full name? Good Thomas

(00:40):
Cochy c O H E. E. Junior or the second whichever? Okay?

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I want your birthday right? January tenth, two thousand and two. Hey, Goddress,
which one?

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I mean yet? There? My dad? Gottressenter my mom? Just one?
Do you live a both? Or wanna?

Speaker 1 (01:03):
I sleep at my mom's okay, but I often visit
my dad's every day.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Okay. What's your mom.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
To?

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Three? Three to six? It's out broad away? How about
your dads? Five three five, twenty two and one half
road visit? I can watch every day.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Or quite often occasionally, like maybe once a week. I'll
just stay at my mom's. But yes, almost every day
I go over there evening next mornings.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I'll bet right now, Okay, what's your mom's name? Terry Cody?
What's your dad? Bryan Josef Cody senor Joseph.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah, I have a not I me your what's the
number nine seven zero three one two four four zero zero?

Speaker 1 (02:21):
The so phone? What androids?

Speaker 5 (02:28):
So like?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Can veridon or something else? Mhm?

Speaker 1 (02:31):
The like?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
What? The phone model is a tend Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:37):
You know who you're providers?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Though?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Like a two team? And how did you get here?
I heard you tell one okay to do my job
and you can't have a Facebook?

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Cool? Right?

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:53):
You want to look at the form my family? I
know the day is carrying it right, Yeah, that's what
it is. But I got over the form. You just
make sure we both understand.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
But okay, so have you reopen? You wanna met each one?

Speaker 6 (03:10):
Make sure you understand her so you have the right
trail silent. Anything you say, we'll use against him law
You have a way to talk to a lawyer. I'm
having more of her present. But you're doing a question.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
If you can't afford to hire a layer, will he
was wanting for you the Ford question and you can
decided that exercise is right for the meantime, said.

Speaker 6 (03:40):
Going over that a you talked to him?

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, so much? Can you understand what those thing? Okay?
Right there? Sorry, I'm bad incursive?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Can I can I use you yeld or whatever you
want to do?

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Should I sign the date?

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Time?

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I don't know the time? It is two forty seven
for my phone? What first? What did you read those
long fredom?

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:29):
I did. Yeah, I'm not much longer for it. Oh
should I?

Speaker 1 (04:45):
It's your show? This shouldn't be cooperative? There's one point
one one ten twenty boats. Sorry, I'm used to writing European.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Now page did you say European? Yeah, the America. We
do month day here, but personally it makes more tense.
You mean to go day year? Sorry? Well what procuse me? Yeah?
At hockey, So we go back over.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I didn't quite understand the dates or what ended up
to the body.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
You said you tried but it didn't work out. Gout
do you want to know? To start back at the
beginning and go slow and tell me as many details
as you can remember.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
So, because I mean, Murray going to jail for the
fifteen years probably.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
I have no idea because we're at the beginning.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
It's I mean, I'm going to jail for okay, twenty probably,
But I'm like, why fight it?

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (05:51):
So what's important to me is to learn as much
about you and what you did, and as I can.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well many details as you can get a little better.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Drive a two thousand and seven five hundred and I
keep a small eighteen inch bat in there for self
defense and a large kitchen knife in the glove box,
both for self defense because they don't entrust anywhere. There

(06:20):
aren't really any part of this town, so that's why
I have both.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
And let's see. Yeah, it was the night of February
twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
It was a full moon, and I figured I didn't see,
so well, why not drive out?

Speaker 3 (06:38):
And I am in a bad state of mind at
that time.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
I am I have major depressive disorder, so I am
not thinking.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
So they positively ok and I'm cruising around for an hour, an.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Hour and a half, I fillip on gas halfway through
and eventually driving underneath the bridge near the sheriff office.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
You know, like how I oh, yeah, goho, thank you,
and Brian the party start. Do you think you have
a major depressive disorder?

Speaker 8 (07:19):
I'm serious, what those or lots of settle I have
high functioning afterts, Okay, I have ADHD, a major depressive disorder,
major depressive c wanting who made that last one is.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
I know what they are. I was curious.

Speaker 9 (07:38):
Yeah, if you what the fact diagnosis was and is
who diagnosed them?

Speaker 1 (07:44):
It was Breton Phillips from What's counseling?

Speaker 3 (07:48):
He from which Champlin Lotus counseling.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
It was, I want to say, years ago, okay, and.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
That he said, looks like you have a to the
presence story.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I could be wrong because not formally diagnosed me, but
that's what he told me.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
I have.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
But let's just say this is the office right and
this is the parking lot. Take a turn and here
is the bridge.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
That one and it was right here. Okay, Now I
mean sell the bridge right now on ground Yeah, the
one I'm bad with, I'm that with it.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I just yeah, by the way, I'm an habitually shaker.

Speaker 10 (08:40):
You do.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Can I get the password for your phone? They just
want it is a drawing code?

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Can just put a big one down there and then
I fill them the picture of the wilds it or
you can go on the walls you want.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
I have a question do you send people who have
committed crimes like me? Do we stay in this county
jail or are we move?

Speaker 1 (09:08):
It all depends on what the Joseph, you start off here, okay, so.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, then you godd d thanky from from here? Yeah?
There where you go to school?

Speaker 1 (09:28):
I've went to Broadway Elementary School just across from my
dad's house.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Then I went to uh Brooklyn's Middle School right at
the True.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Monument High School actually before after me just I went
to Free Monument.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
They shine right then chap transfer to R five. Did
you finish out at Ouri? Did you graduated now last year? Okay?
Do you work? Yeah? Where are you working at? Not
even part time?

Speaker 1 (10:07):
I can say part time, not even as a bagger
splash cursy, same boy, I work anywhere from tow to
four days a week.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Okay. What'd you would you say? From the one right
past the bridge near this location right away? Yeah? Are
you so? We were on the bridge. Yeah, I thought
I would have to break downs.

Speaker 10 (10:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
There's a road under the bright.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Under the overpath, and I was driving along and I
see the shape here on the railway track.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
So I'm like, oh, it's interesting. It's like oh up,
and I've been looking. I feel large.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
They wrapped in a canvas. Okay, I'm like that's a
homeless person. So I grabbed my knife I put on
three layers of gloves because plastic gloves can betray their
users because there's so thin the final gloves by bringing
a fingerprints through, So I put onto.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Three. On one end. It took the knife. I pulled
back the canvas that I just gabbed his neck. He
was panicking at earth in his old and he was
in a fifty And that's not why. I don't know
why I call an old man. He was saying, what
are you doing? What are you doing?

Speaker 10 (11:36):
Why?

Speaker 3 (11:37):
And I just kept on stabbing his neck. I was
it's okay if I do it in Australia. This is him.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
I was straddled on top of it like this and
he couldn't fight back. It was actually surprisingly easy. I
was breaking the sweat I buy homeless. God, he's gonna
be tough. But no, it was actually surprised only easy.
And during the time I was growling and making me
it wants signally this, What.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Were you doing that?

Speaker 1 (12:08):
I suppose it was a friendy. I was so excited,
so rushed up on a trend one every day and
I al said He's like, why are you doing this?
And I and I said, I haven't wanted to do
this for a long fucking time, further something, and then
I continued the whole argy.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Lasked about a minute and and a half, and I stabbed.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
When I was finished stabbing him, he took out his
last bread a grunt, and his head was halfway cut
off its stats.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
All the while.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
No, actually, after I killed him, I just couldn't stop
saying stinky, dirty, dirty.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
What the night wasn't selling anything? But I don't know, Okay,
do you remember doing it? So, yeah, I suppose it
was just me speaking out of my mind at that moment.
It was pouring out of the mind. What were you
worried about? I mean, that looks like it's pretty close

(13:16):
to the road and suff somebody. It was eleven PM,
so not many were driving by.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, it was behind the pillar, so like here's the road,
it was here, so people would only see a brief
thing here and here.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
So were you worried about him, saying you, I was
worried about one of them stopping.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
But you happen to me, Well, they looked, Well, it
was quite dark into there, so they wouldn't have seen
the guy like they looked. They would have seen me
holding a bloody twelve ins night, wearing gloves and wearing
a mask to consume my daddy.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Face ask okay, so you weren't doing it for COVID.
You were doing that partially local and uh yeah, but
no one stopped. And then I'm just like, yeah, proves
the bystander effect. I don't you got a cut on
your hand from Oh? That was when I was doing

(14:19):
gas when I filled up.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
I mentioned I filled up gas when I was driving
around hopeful, I was driving around.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
I was on a quarter of a tank, so I
filled up on gas. What happened was because they don't
want to be seen in a gas station with a
knife poking out of my pocket. I put it in
the car on the backseat floor.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
When I'm done with it, I try and grab it,
put my hands flips and grab the blade and they
pick it up in places these two fingers.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Okay, like the low no, and they had a guard.
It was one of those knife that was what the knife? Yeah,
my dad, I had it. Okay, he found in my car.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
And then let's see yeah, and then after that, I
stripped his clothes. I cut open his belly, let's see
his guts. They're really think.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
I was morbid and then I cut off his head.
I gave him a classico smile, fu a joker smile.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
I I destroyed his eyes by stabbing them, okay, and
then I cut off his hands, those in plastic tip
block bags. And then I cut off his right arm
at this joint. At this joint, and then at this arm.

(15:57):
I tried cutting it here, and then I tried to
hang it here. But what happened was, uh, I accidentally
broke his boat. This one it was poken out, and
so I left that one here personally cut dismembered here boat,
stick it out.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
And then I left his body there. And then I
took the head, put it in a leftover box at
dinner a few nights ago.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
And then I took hands, put him in the back,
throw home, hid the hands and hang in my room.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Clean the knife, throw away in the garbage.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
With his boot on it, and then put the blood stained.
Wasn't bad, it had splatters on it. I put it
in the dish in the the washing machine.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
But what did you go, I.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Said, the outfit I murdered him in in was yeah,
I was learning on a washing machine. Put it on
high speed so it would have effective.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Leave it with the blood. Watched it twice and then
got tried away to sleep. But I was worried that because.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
There was a hole in my gloves right here, I
was worried that they would be able to obtain a
partial print. So I figured might not go all the way.
I drove back and I did pound it. They come
as his body surprised me heavy. Put it in my
trunk and drove to the blue Hair and chop off station. Okay,

(17:32):
I parked, so it's like this right, So let's say
this is ground. The rampits quite steak and you need
to have full well drive to.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Pull out of it, and my car didn't. I bought,
but I thought if I could drive out because I
put it, I put in reverse.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
A's that's easier to pull the body out and be
because the back tires.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Of the vide ball came to push up right and
I opened a trunk. I take his body out.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
I put it in the water because I don't want
fingerprints on a body, so I just try to move
in with my shoes and that works it captfully.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
He goes out some part in the river that holops off. Okay.
God knows where he is now. Maybe a heat he did. Okay,
God knows where he is now. I think my guess
was that.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
It would be discovered this morning or next morning. So
I keep myne off burning river laid activity.

Speaker 6 (18:47):
So looking back up, just so i'd always track a room.
My mind is, so you kind of open did you
put his arms off his handle hold up? Before he
went home?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Before I went.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Home, I tossed the arm of bits around like I
took the right ARMBT threw it out, and I took
the left ar of it for a whim somewhere around
my bridge.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, but look in a because I.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Know crime scenes can be a very wide here, you're
going to want to look in a five in a
ten foot.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Area like this is those zoom men, So.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Use the road. And here's where my curves parked. You're
going his corpses here. You're going to want a crime
scene that's roughly to.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
The railroad tracks.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
They're right here. I need to bridge to the railroad
tracks here. Let's help your search.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
And this is the world. This is right here, this
is that road and listening it goes to like underneath
the ridge ship the road that comes on the back
of it. Are you talking about the road that goes
back behind the jail. I'm not quite sure. Were the
one that goes across the river to your house to

(20:13):
your mouse?

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Do you mind sometimes if I could show you that road,
I'm really bad with streets, or we.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Could give you a map. Maybe sure, we're not okay,
and I've got you put it anyway that yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Then when I tried to innovative try it out, my
car didn't good from blue hairing ye from blue hair.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
My heart was stuck. I tried putting it old brottle. Yeah,
that doesn't working.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
My car isn't have four wheel guys me okay, And
so then I tried to putting it in over here.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
I'm trying everything, and it still doesn't come out. And
then it's fly to the river. Oh my car slides
in the river the inside.

Speaker 11 (21:04):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
And so I'm there in a car quickly being flooded
with water. Okay, in the middle of February, cold at night, Yeah,
in the river that's almost freezing.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I directed I all die so I'm able to climb out.
I don't see the body, so I'm I assumed it's
a childhood and I come up and I'm sitting there.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
I need to act pass else I'll dye of hypothermia.
I'm I'm panicking of it at this point.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
I'm gonna I'm.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Gonna remember it for dying on Pipotherbia And the boss
attends hiding a body.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
And I'm just like fuck right, So I'm running.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
So I go up the road and I'm trying to
find out a car. One doesn't come by for five minutes.
Eventually does and it was an old high school friend.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
I don't know the last day, but this Keller, Hey,
the lll R. Okay, you don't remember his first name?

Speaker 1 (22:03):
No, that's his first name. Oh, okay, I don't remember
his last name. He's an old high school friend. He's
won Paul.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Parts in the middle. Yeah, he's able to those fits.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Samaritans right, helped me call my parents, let them know
my car is in the river.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Okay, and the two am and let you tell your parents.
I mean, obviously you know, got I tell him something
the cars in the river.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
So what I say is that I feel like I
need to get out. I often do I feel like
I need to get out? Hey, y Bob, have you remember?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah? Absolutely, So I say that I drive down to
the Blue Hair and points and just park and just
turn off the car and think.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Okay, and I tell them that I'm stupid and I
part too low. And then my crust wives in the river.
Okay did they believe it?

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Okay, so the police, the police came to.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yes, they called the police because they after while they
were warming up, they tried five.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Different Tota companies.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
All them said, oh, drivers off ship or oh we
don't have a pen. So they called the police, and
so one of them told them to call the state
patrol They couldn't get the numbers from the state patrols.
They called me home, okay, and then the police came.
I didn't do a reck lise and test because I
wasn't drinking.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
What did the police of this shriff that kill? Was
the police? Okay? All right? I remember clearly they were
in black or dark pool. You sure, okay, An, you
weren't drinking? Are you drinking? Are not drinking?

Speaker 10 (23:40):
I was.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
I have never touched any substance, okay, okay. And while
we're in that area, do you take any medications or
they take? Were you on regular amounts for that stuff?

Speaker 9 (23:56):
No?

Speaker 3 (23:56):
I was on nothing.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Oh, I didn't take any of that no, I only
age and at all it's kind to mean whatever it is,
granting a depth. That mean.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
When I have something to do, like work, when I'm
going out, okay, all right, all right. And so they
took the police came in.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
And they said, yeah, well it's best if you just
they call this guy who was going to come out.
He isn't able to get it out because he's in
the water in the dark, feeling around hand.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
See the river's muddy. So they just wait until this
morning to put out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
However, what immediately caught the police's attention is blood from
the body was on the reverse bumper.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
See, I was so see I forgot to wipe it off,
and I was so panting that I wasn't thinking. And
so when they pulled it out.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
They immediately see blood on the bumper and they're all saying,
it really like to get this struggle.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
There is nothing in the trunk. Oh okay, And that
happened this morning.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Uh you know they noticed that last they noticed it
after I had been sent home at three am. Okay,
they noticed the plane, but yeah, this morning they noticed
more of what on the door handle, stuff out of
the door handle.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Passenger line okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
And also the multi layed gloves in the car. I
f now the obviously my car wasn't heard able to
throw them.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Sure, so did the cops talk to you guys about
that at this point? Did the cops from the police department.
Did they talk to you about that this point?

Speaker 1 (25:40):
No?

Speaker 3 (25:40):
I was not contact. Oh all they were gonna all
they were blinding to do with me. Did hey is
have get my insurance inspiration?

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
And they were still curious about the blood. Did they
ask you about that? No, because they did not notice it.
Why I was still there.

Speaker 9 (25:57):
So when you say they were curious about the blood,
how do you know that they were curious because.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
My parents told me too, and they were curious. But
I said, I don't know where the blund came from. Oh, guys,
I had no idea.

Speaker 12 (26:12):
They thought maybe it was a cut, but obviously it
cut doesn't produce that much of WYE.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
And they said maybe it was the Recovering Assets Center
my arm. But that was kind of though.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Okay, So they were just they were they didn't know
what to believe this day because it's but it's e
in Sinewy, but I can't name a source.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
So they were just the I need bit curious. They
were curious. Go ahead, we got one. Thank you for
the walk by the way. I'm sure do you need more?
I will make in other leads, you know, let me
go get one. Okay, I should get one complete. I
think you planted on some of these two okay. The

(27:00):
was on cropby Crosby, okay, and worse than I haven't. Oh,
there's track. There's the Sheriff's office, Like I said, you
go up me, and there's the road. And it was
on the Crosby. It was on this side, and I
was on the fire I meant the bridge where I

(27:23):
did it. So it's just always track that it's okay,
glare Tony tm helpe. I'm being cooperated, little great you

(27:43):
So you can just walked over here, I could have.
It's no use trying to shoot a seam fall. So
no one but you. So what's more? On the west
side of Crosby is the west bag and.

Speaker 10 (27:58):
You threw.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
What all did you throw while you were there? I
mean how many? There are two arm this section and
the suction Okay, in the general.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Area, I can't I can't say where they are on
the Broadway at Crosby.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, yeah, we already got it. We already got it, okay.
And and then the body you know where.

Speaker 11 (28:28):
Hair is, Yeah, it was done there, okay, down the
little ram. So how about so you talk about his
arm and his head. I guess you cut the head.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah, it was in my room, the body of the
blue hair. And what about said he put the clothes
off of them. They're still there in the coronas.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
There's no, they're still there. It's just the file of
his sleeping things. Okay, he's holding on the back side
of there where all the bloody is.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Hey, I'm saying on the back I just want to
make sure I have that. So they on and disclosed
are near crossing? Yeah like that.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
But like here's the here's Crossby Avenue, and here's the bridge.
Here's the crime scene. Heels a railroad. The arms are
around this air.

Speaker 13 (29:16):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Do you think I'm proud of the pillar? Do you
think you throw the past the room?

Speaker 1 (29:19):
No?

Speaker 3 (29:21):
No, they're between those. And then you said you took
it the head in the hands, And when did you.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Put that in?

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Well, there's a there's a three rule for bodies, like
they called the three long.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Tell me about that three days the body starts no
three hours Briger mortas. That's in body diffence. Three days
the body starts to think because of deep composition. Three
weeks the body is starting to seriously gage those right.
Three months the body is unrecognizable. Three years and turned

(30:00):
into a scale of ten.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
And ma'n, how you know that? I just I've always had.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
A fascination with forensics and with anatomy of physiology.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
That's something I made up. That's something I don't want
to sound like I had been banging something. And that's
why that's why I coined dig readable. Do you kind
of remember it that way? That's your way, I remembering
it accurate, well somewhat so much so. So yeah, so
what did you you have? The head and the hand
and your house the head?

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Because this was starting to think I was planning on
throwing the head and hands away, Okay, on the trash
bag and not in the kitchen trash. But they were
both in trash bags. The head was in trash bag.
I hided up the trash bag. Hands I put in
a trash bag as well. They were in diplock bags

(30:54):
and I was I was.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Planning did they sell empty paint bucket.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I was planning to buy an empty paint bucket, put
the head in it, feel it, and then I was
going to throw it off in some ditch like three
oh three forty Broadway, that area where it'll be hard
to meach. Okay, hands, I would throw in a different

(31:21):
spot wherever.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
I'm sorry, I just want to make sure I have
it right. The head is inside of the trash bag.
It was, well, where is it now in the kitchen?
Think my parents searched me in my room when they
found the head and hands. Okay, and so the head
and the hands in the kitchen, think that I'm okay.
So they're in the kitchen things now because your parents
put them there. They were in my hotset, we're in

(31:43):
your ctset. What kind of what kind of track back?
What is that kind of trash bag?

Speaker 1 (31:48):
White white like a kitchen waer, what like kitchen white
kitchen that you put in a trash can? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:55):
And then what about the hands? They were inside the zimblatch.
You said both in it's in the bank. They both
in a different trash bag, okay, the white kitchen trash bag. Yes,
but now they're in the kitchen thing. Yes, Okay, I'm
still in trash bags. Okay, okay. So that's the arm

(32:15):
that was the head and the hand and then the
whole rest of the body you put in the river.

Speaker 10 (32:21):
Now, right, but it was put in there, yes, okay,
all right, Okay, you can keep going.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
I'm sorry, I just wanted to clarify these things. I'm
just trying to cut this course.

Speaker 14 (32:37):
You know, Ryan, I had to add a lot of
people that we have talked with, you know, they're just
not has spoken that you are to be honest with.
You're very articulate. You're very articulate. No, I actually think
you're really articulate. And you you talked about you were
just kind of in a bad state that night, Yes, okay, why.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
When a bad thing? I didn't take my medicine and posts.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
For years, I was wondering what murder would be like
because you read ship like Tip Bundy in the Zodiac,
we all say murder is the fastu in in the world.
So I'm like, I'm gonna try that. So for some
time I've been wondering when it would happen. I always
knew I would be in the building, or that it
was a criminal bar police officer because I was planning

(33:32):
to go in the military.

Speaker 9 (33:36):
Right, And how long do you really you know, honestly
think you've been thinking about really at some point you
wanted to know what murder?

Speaker 3 (33:45):
It felt like a year? Okay, all right? And you
said your bread books. I read books. I have a
book on forensics. Okay. Did you read the book that
Hadney book? No? I have not read that Bunny book. Okay,
I probably have seen experts. Have you seen, like, you know,

(34:07):
a little content from it or things like that. I'm
not sure what book you're talking about. And the one
you mentioned that the whole stuff about say on the internet? Yeah, okay,
all right, all right? And in pieces studied him too,
you know, so you know who that game? No at California?

(34:31):
Yeah I can't, but yeah, so you him. I know
of him. He was who he was a lotther place.
He was an Hawaia, he was six or nine period hounds.
So I answer a question.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Almost all those people did this for some sort of
whether they have heard with a body with some sexual
ravitation in their minds drominology. There's different types of I'm
not a serial killer by no means, but some serial
killers there's different types of them. There's organized, disorganized missionary missionary.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
I'm just wondering what what gets you excited about doing it?

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Well, I'm not really sexually tracked into it. I was
just it was just curiosity more or less. And talked
about cutting. Uh, nice to be Minkner. I know it's
not even you just got hands.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Oh yeah it was. It was a good knife. I
was just did you practice on anything else? How did
you know how to do it?

Speaker 1 (35:35):
No? I I just blowing along as the process the bones,
I just pressed the lay down went okay, but then
that deligament okay?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
And how hard was it to do that to get them?
Actually no, they had to take care early hard. I
was just more frustrated that eye broke them. Okay, So
if you haven't got frustrated, what was sure? I mean
it sounds like what you did we know? Did you
have a different plan? Why did you originals? Because I

(36:06):
always wanted to know what it felt like to cut
up someone. Okay, So so why did you stop? You stop?
Because the arms, that's it, and that's all I wanted
to know. Was was like cutting off the lens.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
And I'm just like, okay, cool, And you said you
just studying criminology and crime mcmell u, I do not
do not college study. At school study. It's like a
packing interest. I understand, But what were you worried about,
like leaving evidence behind? God, totally tell me about that

(36:41):
and what you did.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Well.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I was figuring the police don't this is not to
be taken offense, but police they don't seem to care
as much about high rate the individuals, how much people prostitutes,
et cetera. So I was deliberately looking for someone who
lived that type of life, and I found a homeless

(37:05):
person and the original goal was just even there.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
But I was worried about the fibers on the outfit.
I was worried that would be on his clothes and stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
So I deliberately messed up the clothes Okay, not cutting
them up, just throwing them around.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
And I was worried about just how long it would
take to find him because it's.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
A somewhat traveled road. Eventually, someone with the windowscout town
is going to smell something off. Police have a nose
for that type of thing. They're trained to feel to
identify the small corpse. So that's where the river idea
came from because a river will waft away a lot

(37:53):
of evidence rivers are quite true, and obviously that was botched.
So how long have you been planning or looking for
someone to do this with before you found this guy?

Speaker 3 (38:08):
About a year? A year? No, quick month? So have
you come close or sending somebody or chicken out or
anything in the past. No, I mean I was looking
for a deliberately sid place like that one. I wouldn't
just go.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Up in Clifton and find someone walking down the street
and stab them.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
No, that's you look like. If the homeless place is
anything in the past, I have, Yes, I've been, it was.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
I will go on night drives Boston maybe once every
two weeks now. Just hurry in the streets.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Okay, So before this guy, how close have you come
in the past, Not at all.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
I'll just drive around, yeah, just try and find you
anybody interesting nor mind thought of a when well, occasionally
when you see girls walking down the street, I take
a glance to him because it really is like a
canber where half of me says, but I'm quite inextually pointing.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
I'm being honest, I'm no CAF.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
But that of me says, I want to take that
girl home there, I feel nice and the other half
of me it's just like what Ed said is I
want to see what her head looks like on a stick.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
And so occasionally when I'm driving down or someone that
catch it fine out.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Just like okay, And it sounds like you thought a
lot about the fibers and get rid of the body.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
I don't know how were you worried about getting taught
while you were doing it or before you do it.
I was worried about afterwards because because these for the past.

Speaker 15 (39:58):
And I want to say, in the past day and
a half, including the stay anxious because.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Not only is my car in the river, there's blood
on it, there's forty parts in my house. My parents
like to look at my things occasionally and when they
see blood, and eventually when they're going to get the
news that her body was found in the river, that's
very much certain, circumstantial evidence. That's the pointing to me.

(40:31):
So I was very much anxious these past days that
I was eventually.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Going to get caught. Ok what did you think it
happened to get caught?

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Well, I figured my mother would have confronted me about it,
but no, she was She didn't even.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Say it until the police arrived.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
I thought the police would handcuff me, but apparently I've
been operational.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Do you know who the person was that you killed?
I know I took his wallet.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
I did it, well, okay it I just picked it up,
briefly scanned over it and put it in my car.
Apparently it was Warren. My mom told me this before
she found out that the nicking person. It was Warren
and brown and bore it in sixty three right, that's it? Okay?

Speaker 3 (41:31):
But where was Where was his wallet when you took it?
Any stuff here? Well, I'm been there. Wasn't him call
this person a fan.

Speaker 11 (41:41):
Or what it was?

Speaker 3 (41:42):
It was in his hands, okay, And when I was
moving his pants around, I felt that. But I pulled
it out and I'm like, it's super here. What kind
of wallet is it? Black? Black part? Okay, it's not
a soft wallet like what I have but my rod
wallet and thought with leather. But it was almost straw

(42:04):
carded the wallet. What it makes you happen to know?
Is it a fine old which means to or a trifle?
I think it was a trifle oday. I don't have
an ivy end up back one did you see it
was gonna do No, I didn't. Okay, your mom pulled it? Yeah,
where did you put the water? My passenger?

Speaker 1 (42:27):
See?

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Okay, so we talked about the stuff there. We're gonna
look for Tom's off the thanks apparently.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, the knife it is where my dad found any
cook box?

Speaker 3 (42:39):
I don't know where it is. Okay, you don't find
any or anything on it. I cleaned it. And then
what else are we looking for?

Speaker 1 (42:49):
That's all his shoes were best shoes, all his prolongings,
except for his ballet right here.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Head hand there at the house. Yeah, what were you wearing?

Speaker 1 (43:01):
I was wearing a dark blue uh jump pursuit those
things that the one that stuff thing that.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Like, why were you one of that? Those things are
very comfortable, actually, I think they're very complete. And reason
you were wearing that we were wanting jumpers?

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Well, uh, do you know the movie Halloween? Michael Myers,
he wears one of those, and for Halloween last year
I bought that as.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
A costume on the mask in the room and uh yeah,
I just associated that piece of article of clothing with violence.
That's why I was wearing it that mind, yes, okay,
and then what else do.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
You we.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Roun brown thick shoes. Will see them in my house?
They are in the living room. So you know a brand?
I'm sorry, I just know. I don't know the brand.
All I know is that they're they're round wet because
they have blood on it. Okay, murder. So I wasn't
in the bathtub, so to them like a why things

(44:24):
you go a while?

Speaker 9 (44:25):
No?

Speaker 3 (44:26):
What is hard to run? And where are they? I'm sorry?
This where they are? They're in the living room. Okay,
We're in the living room behind the couch.

Speaker 7 (44:36):
It's a space behind the couch five five feet by
five feet bill, Okay, okay, and yeah, you use them
when all you'll probably can built.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
I would love to tak too much, Dispard, Well, what
else were you wear?

Speaker 1 (44:51):
That's it?

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Well?

Speaker 1 (44:53):
I was wearing a shirt on Ny one of those
laundry piles. I know which one, which one? Yellow pants,
the jumper. The jumper was the pants okay, sure underneath
and the jumper okay, no panther underwear, but okay, hello, socks, socks?

Speaker 3 (45:13):
I was wearing a paraderity socks or did you wash those?
We'll tell him and wash them. There's bottom wore Okay,
how about you love thrown away. We're at my mom's
house in the.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Square and trash span and we'll see the way trash
and the gloves okay, the inside or outside outside okay,
near the front door.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Okay. How about what do you want to have? No
face mask? Okay? Black? But what do you have today?
Or different you have today or a different one? It
was in my car okay, I'll put it. Okay, is
it still the car? Yeah, to the about thirty dollars? Yeah, okay,

(46:08):
so that the black mak and the wallet are in
the car. Yes, the night I think at night. You
don't know, but your dad took it. I think the
lawns my parents look as well. Okay. And then.

Speaker 16 (46:24):
The jumpsuit, the shoes, t suits in the trot hair okay,
so the chimpsuit in the dryer.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Amount of what you washed a couple of times? Yes,
I'll let your mom's up. Yes, okay. What what would
you use to wash it?

Speaker 1 (46:45):
They put it in the washing machine or the loss
of it, put it on dirt removal, stain removal.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Extra wash. And I did that twice okay. And and
I'm is one thing I know you said that the
did you say.

Speaker 9 (47:03):
That jumps it said it kind of reminded you of
violence because it came from the Halloween movie.

Speaker 14 (47:09):
Yeah, it was a it was a it was a
I haven't watched the movie, so I don't know which
one you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Oh, okay, all right, it was Garret the Brand. Yeah,
it's a jumpsuit. Close the question. I just wanted to
know the book to clarify the movie because I didn't.
I haven't seen that. That's not my kind of movie,
so I didn't. You haven't seen Halloween, you know, I've
seen parts of it.

Speaker 9 (47:35):
Came a long time ago, probably a long time ago,
but it's been a long time since i've seen that.

Speaker 13 (47:39):
So sorry, Okay, I have to ask them. I think
you internet, but I'm not one hundred percent sure.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
You said you've thought about doing this for the last
six months a year. Yeah, have you ever done thee No, okay,
you got to ask right. Yeah, how about animals? Yes,
it's pretty big stuff. Tell me about that person.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
It was twenty eighteen Halloween. A straight black hat has
been coming around our house. And this was before I
moved into my mom's.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
This was out my dad's and and I was thinking
about killing him.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
I then hit the body in the shoe box, and
then I disposed in the trash and got away with it.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Okay, in that cat, did you keep them for a
while like you've been been fire? I kept it for
three days, then it started to stinking. Where you got
the three days in mistakes?

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Also because bodies back here if I was to float
the body after a day to three days?

Speaker 3 (48:54):
So when did you start thinking about telling people? Six
months ago? So Holdering? I turned nineteen last month, So
when two months ago? Thinking back, it sounds like until
the time, Well.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Actually I'll think of killing people burning the cat, but
I wasn't acting on it.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
But I started seriously thinking about the killion people a year.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
And now how about when you were twelve? If you
think about him now? So what in your life has
changed or what in your mind had changed? Makes you
know a little bit like something? Most than one day
you woke up and thought, I'll feel someone in love.
Was of the graduates gradual, I think, So tell me
about when those thoughts were strewed out of it?

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Well, the high school.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Last year, my parents found a kit I had to dissembling.
It had hammers, shovels, knives, or zippie.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Duct tape I saw. I was mad for her. The
people they found it though, and I'd convinced them it
was by other methods, for other methods, for other things
like wow.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
And it was an ultimatum where if I did throw
it away all that that they will call it police
and then I only have been arrested on charges of conspiracy.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
And so yeah, that was last year before we will
be So what made you put that kid together? That
was for nights like that? Okay, so my thing you
were thinking about doing as that was a hundred dollars stromoid?

(50:50):
How much was the nice of you lived twenty?

Speaker 1 (50:53):
That was the same one the last when I got
was very sharp and impressed me. So I bought the
same one. Okay, save away my work when on your
own time, well, long to go, And.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Then I didn't. You said it's really sharp.

Speaker 17 (51:19):
I experienced what I did the precision in inch I
could the precision age.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
I think, like put the selling on the shelf, like
building a package with the other indigen were.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
When you said, well, I'm sorry, all right, I'm I'm sorry.
I'm really curious.

Speaker 14 (51:46):
When you talked about the hammer and the shovels, and
then had the like the did time. I mean, what
was kind of your plan then that's a little bit.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Different than you did this time. Yeah, they did the
plane back then. The plan was to go find because
they have prophetitutes and grant junction out. Have you ever
had any sex times? Yeah, there's not plastics like five
of them standing along in front of the room. The
plastics a conjunction. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
The plan was to go with one of them and
have them come with me, and then the plan was
to subdue them and tie them up and then torture her.
That would have been sexual in nature. This was just
to see what it felt like. That would have been sexual.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
So you've thought about the sexual killing them, but this
one was just see where killing from. Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
So what made you.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Not go back to the same plan and get you know,
if you kind of had that as a plan, what
I have been caught? Well, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (52:49):
My point is, if your folks, your mom found yourself right, yes.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
And got rid of it, why didn't you go back
to that plan? Why change plans too much?

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Risky row They'll be okay, that's really suspicious, but okay,
we forgive you.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Don't do it again. Second, hun, we're going the police
on you. I didn't want to do that against okay,
fair dress. And so they didn't call the plane.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
No, because I felt that they gave me an ultimatum,
have them throw it all away or call the police.
So I threw it all away because okay, So you.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Just you thought if you started rebuilding that plan they
find out.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yes, okay, so that's what it was planking, Okay, all right,
Normally planning was the one.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Normally planning just it. Opportunity presented it. Opportunities, Yeah, the
opportunity then. Okay, if you had not been caught by
your coach, what do you think you would have done that?
I don't know. No, No, let's talk about like today.

(54:02):
If you would have been able to get rid of
the head and your folks did not find it, well,
it depends. Would you guys have been able to solve it?

Speaker 1 (54:13):
If the body was down the river, the head and
hands were missing it and there were an opener printer?

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Well, we'd like to think so much, right, who knows? Yeah,
we'd love to think somebody way we didn't solve it.
What happened?

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Then?

Speaker 3 (54:26):
What would you have thought to do next?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Well, I had thought I would have been very careful
because I would have been worried at any moment.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
This could become a cold case and then it could
be solved later on down the line.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
I was just to see what it felt like, and
if I had gotten away with it, I would have
just kept the secret gree grave.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
So just sort of felt what what did it feel like?
It was intense?

Speaker 1 (54:55):
It was.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
It was a rush of the journalist. Okay, my whole
body was shaking, not like out of fear.

Speaker 18 (55:01):
It was like.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Some you ever have that feeling before? Yes, what, yeah,
it was it was years ago. Well, no, actually it
wasn't me.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
It was.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Occasionally I my thoughts get better at me and sometimes
I it isn't a panic attack, it's anything like that.
I'll give you an example.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
I was, I was watching the video when all of
a sudden, I get I start going into the thoughts.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
I get the feeling. I know that it isn't but
I get the feeling that there are.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Eyes on the walls, watching the eyes on the furniture,
and I bring myself up. I'm like, oh god, eyes
and I'm worried about stick anything out from bed wlades
will come up and shop it off.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
And I don't know, but I know that's not going
to happen. But I'm worried about that. Okay. So then
I was like, oh, boy's shaking up and down. It's
all it's like a bear adrenaline. That's not what you
not really you're there was the thought that and then
killing the guy it was the same. It wasn't yeah,

(56:32):
it wasn't fure. It was just pure that's the word excitement.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
I suppose my excitement has enjoyed just excitement as an
increasing heart beat, sweating that type of day.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Yeah, although I wasn't breaking his sweat. Killing the guy
it was quite easy. Did you enjoy it or not
do it? Did I enjoy it? I don't know the

(57:23):
whole thing. I didn't enjoy it, but I didn't pay it.

Speaker 6 (57:30):
So I'm curious about the teatinam of taking parts of
him home and he will thought about it was something
like he has like the Ted Bundy sex type stuff.
The temper had to kill people? Did you want to
kill somebody? How about Jeffrey Donald? It wasn't really inspired

(57:50):
by it. It was just the more only time to
think of all the people, like these people can do it.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
So they I absolutely you do. Oh here, okay, I'm here,
I'll walk that swat what.

Speaker 19 (58:10):
What?

Speaker 3 (58:20):
What else? So apparently we know why you did right
and you're here to help me.

Speaker 18 (58:27):
Well, can you tell me not only help me with
your pace, which the more you can tell me with
about the better to help me, but like maybe you
somebody else is in school now, or to help catch
somebody else.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
I mean, I don't know what's in your brain.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I know a little.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
I'm sure you kill me.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
What's in your brain? I was a suicide, I want
to say two years ago, and.

Speaker 13 (58:52):
I uh.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Let's see. I had expressed the thoughts.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
As carrying myself to my parents against band, and he
said if I ever felt like that, that they were
going to crisis now.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
And I did feel like that eventually. So I was
taking the mind springs and offered a holt I.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
And I stay for like eight days, okay, or I
could go back home, and I chose back home option.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Okay, And I'm going okay, So.

Speaker 6 (59:31):
How about anything else about killing people or you're planning
or you know how it sounds like for quite.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
A while you've been driving around thinking about it. How
often you drive around.

Speaker 20 (59:48):
Uh hu.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
A week every two weeks for how long?

Speaker 10 (59:56):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I want to be a two months? Okay. I was
caught doing it for and so they didn't let me
go anywhere. Really cut my parents. O. My parents caught me.
They didn't really want to be going anywhere. Okay. So
I didn't do that for a while. Then about two
months ago, maybe three, I started doing it again. When
they then catch up. Uh, yeah, was with the kid?

(01:00:28):
Oh okay, they caught They didn't she was driving around
with the kid.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
No, actually I was walking around, but okay, so marks
I was driving, but I had the kid.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Went out, said a couple of puces kind of walking
around with the back hack and and the kid. The
backpack had the most stuff. Then, okay, the kid.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Just trying to look for someone. They caught me when
I went back inside. My parents caught me. They didn't
check the kids the backpack there, but they were like,
what are you doing house? And I'm like, I'm getting
a breath of fresh air, and they're I okay. But
it was a few days later when they found out
wasn't a kid. So I'm almost confrontational about it. And yeah,

(01:01:13):
I stopped doing it for a while there because of
the races.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
And then three months ago you started driving around the game. Yeah,
no kid, yeah, no, you will take call it. I
guess it was just cloves at night and a plan. Yeah,
every time you drive around you wear the same jump
step and stuff or No, I would occasionally wear it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
I would not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
I would sometimes rather close. But yeah, for the most
part of the jumpsuit was reserved for vacation like that.
So yeah, to make you feel better or stir them
you look like Mike Myer espost.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
I just only bought it because I was dressing up
it's Michael Meyer that one Halloween.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
It wasn't because of my clope.

Speaker 10 (01:02:01):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Because it's so non descript. Okay, it's it's just about
one suit, you know. It's not any individual brand or
anything like that that anyone can identify.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
So it was just the avoids been in out as
though partially yeah, okay, because I didn't see any fiber.
I mean there's probably fibers going off of it, but
I didn't think there was maybe anything that could come
off of it.

Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
So what so you went home to watched all that,
did you like take a shower, do anything that way?
Did get blood on you. I had blood on me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
I washed my hands, you know, arms thoroughly. And was
your mom home when never doing all this? No, no,
she was got my dad's hut.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I made sure it should never do anything that was disquieting,
okay with her around, it was always at her dad's house,
at my dad's house.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
And then I do have so any idea like a
time in night when you started looking for this personal
that night of the murder, it was ten pm, nine thirty,
ten pm, and I found that person.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
I found Warren Brown at eleven, murdered him, got back.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Home at.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
About twelve because it was about thirty minutes fifteen minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
I spent there following his body and then and I
tried to go to sleep for an hour. I was
worried about it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
So got dressed up in a different outfit, got his
body at one end, failed that, got a car at soon.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
After, and yeah, last then I went home that like
three so before you found them, Like, did you work
that day or I did not work that day because
of the absence on my on I was not working
at all, okay that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Week because it was too painful to be Okay, So
as you decided that's what you were going to go
look for.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
So you put on those clothes and started out or
something different.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
And so when you first started looking for him, was
that your import Like when you started, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Know how else to aft that I was going to
kill someone that night, Well, you're work for someone that money. Yeah,
And now that I was driving, I was always looking
for some one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
And you already had those clothes on or something like that.
So wait, let's let's let's restarted it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
So after I had after I got the different clothes on,
the goal was to kill another person. No, No, it wasn't.

Speaker 19 (01:04:57):
You were talking to Yeah, when you left your house
at nine thirty, I know exactly where you two vincent
your When you left your house at nine thirty that night,
you were in the blue clothes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Yes, you were heading out to go find somebody to murder.
There's the opportunity to row, it's the opportunity to rose.
Then you were saying when you went back home, you
just got on a different clothes because you had already
watched the blue stuck. And then when I got a
different clothes, that was to dispose of the body. Okay,
not to murder someone else. No, that was to dispose body. Okay,
that was what clothes did you put on? The second

(01:05:29):
time it was black skinny jeans, name sure, okay, and
my jackets, bus shoots, my name shoes. Those are covered
miney behind the caps.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Well okay, we'll kind of shoot it up. They look
like the nods worn down. Okay, black hondscript.

Speaker 6 (01:05:57):
So any hundred that nine nine thirty? Oh wait, then
you get stuck in How did you get from there
about your house?

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
I when I was because the water went into the car,
went into the water because I couldn't pull up the
hill I was in it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
I got out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
I was drenched, it was cold. I would have gotten hypothermia,
and I near we died. And I made my way
up out of the park into the road and I
was trying. I was waiting for someone by get back down,
and it happened. It was old high school friend Keller.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Right, And.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
They let me heat up in their car, and they
let me call my parents. My parents showed up, called
tow trucks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
None of them were none of them were able to
And then the police came.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
And yeah, then I was dropping that Keller tell me
about So where did you know Keller from our five
or heard it? Heer? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Okay, have happened to remember his bluff name? And you
could say, so, who's day Tyler?

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
And his grandpa? I'm assuming it was his grandpa. It
was an older man that was driving your age?

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
White for it or it's us again? I'm not sure
what it was. It was white? Did Kellor yours? They made? Okay?
Bigger Paul? Did you do him from the school? Do
you happen to remember if he was up in years?

(01:07:43):
Down in years? He was the same year? Okay, so
should have graduated? Did you graduate on time? Yeah? I
did you graduated when you were a sposed to graduate?

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
So he should have graduated, right?

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:08:02):
Okay, Belontaire, you said big guy? Yes, okay, okay, follow me,
and you're pretty tall?

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
How tall are you? One nine cents meters okay?

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
All of exactly six foot two and a half inches okay,
and twenty five pounds and try to notice a way
out about two forty Yeah? Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
And I had another column aut question? Is that all right?
If I jump? Been down?

Speaker 19 (01:08:39):
I know I asked you this, but I'm unclear on
I'm apparently having a hard time memory Okay, you said
there was a gentleman from the Loadus.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Brett Phillips, PhD.

Speaker 14 (01:08:50):
Yeah, Brett Phillips, PhD from Loaded Pound claim here High
functioning Offerers ADHD, Major depressitive disorder.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
I was tested, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Bill another facility. The doctor's name was Kathleen. It's off
of Grand Okay. They tested me for auphism for a
formal diagnosis passwords which is high yep. And they also
said I was skidd of something that doesn't me misremember

(01:09:26):
they just said you have you're skins of something, whether
you schizophrenia, scis of effective scise the table or skids
going disorder.

Speaker 12 (01:09:35):
They said I was I had something that was skiz.
Who the real not the company with them, It was
some other staff member.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
You know it might help us, but you know, M
to sign up form so we can talk to them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
What.

Speaker 10 (01:09:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Yeah, it wasn't formal. It wasn't formal that they said
I was skiz. It was just you well time they
have some yeah, any going they said they said something
that you have symptoms of a schizo disorder.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Okay, whichever one that was they didn't specify, which okay, so.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Well she's getting my form let me ask you that.

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
So where I was getting one? So you leave your house,
I'm so me at mine thirty here and you're already
in the jumpsuit here. So between nine thirty and when
you found.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
The guy he stop him anywhere gas and if I
go on station of that order take okay, So where
did you get gas?

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
It was a shell right find here, the shell right
ring here basically whatever there?

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Yeah, it was there. Do you remember how much gash
you got? I paid for or something? Just see credit card?
It was forty five bucks. Okay, so I'll pay the
car the eh I went to last four car? Something
we can find a super or do you have by

(01:11:07):
three six? Shut out? And one time you think, yeah,
he did tell us that I haven't anything. Now I
know you told us.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Do you remember because he told me m hm and
the dean it was there's some time between nine and
ten and I got like hen to keane and thirty
was it before you bad?

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Before that was?

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
I felt ups like a cute prowd, So whatever you
want to call it, Okay, I think you said you
probably need the one, mister Philip.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Yeah I did. How long ago?

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Was that?

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
That was years ago?

Speaker 18 (01:11:52):
Two?

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Three years two or three years ago? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
And when was it that you were tested recently occur
onto them? Was recently you as well? So years ago
I want to say two years ago?

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Okay, and I'm confused you said something or yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
The doctors they did not stify they could I had
symptoms of a disorder, whether that be good in front
of of schindolate disorder, STANDO type anything.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
They just did that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
I've never fall un diagnosed the same thing like that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Do you feel like you have that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Possible as hell, it's not diagnosing, it's foolish.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Yeah, but do you you know scidophrenia is pretty extreme
because people I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Have recognize they have a different personality in there. I
don't have. I don't have any hallucination and have I
had have belasions I yet Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Like years ago, I thought that wasn't what people stare
at me. Okay, I felt people watching me from every window.
The birds were looking at me, watching me. Yeah, that
was a delusion, I suppose.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Okay, right, but you.

Speaker 14 (01:13:17):
Don't have times where you feel like another personality is
in your body?

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
No? That do you remember all this? No, that's that's
just does your identity disorder? Right, schizophrenia? It is, well,
you you have multiple people talking to you at the
same time, kind of a thing. Oh they all was
talking to me. Okay, I mean I've spoken to somebody
would diagnosed HITS a frankness. You know, we had a

(01:13:45):
conversation about it. So it was wasn't it was something? Yeah,
they just thought you might but they did not.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Thank.

Speaker 21 (01:13:52):
Okay, so ongoing google so here, Well, what the almost
like the top of the doctors and get your records?
They said, yeah, if you want to meet that, if
you can agree that, I want to do that to
find that. And since I don't really know the name

(01:14:13):
of your doctors, if we'll have to do a couple
offer doctors. But but then they don't know the side's
too long ago. You'd have to ask, oh, if you
have told her what is happening something? No, I can't
remember the name. I could show you the address on
the map. I remember the name of the place. I
get to tell you it on the map.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Okay, why am I happening here?

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
I can.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Well make sure you're reading because I don't want you
to decide to party in his all.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Yeah, lest allowing them to helping criminal consecutions. Right, that's
long you get your medical records or syc. All right,
so did you read it?

Speaker 10 (01:15:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
I did? Okay about should bake much first? Get into
the day?

Speaker 6 (01:15:32):
Should I let me just put over on the side self.
That's for my account if you're a child and your
mom so with one of the mind spens minds freaming.
I was sent as an option.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
I was briefly there maybe for the people you like
AfOR who is that? Okay, I don't know their name,
I can show you go on to that and then
the Schipzo. They were the same people that get any
tend stuff well other tend to get any how any
wants me. H. Of course it's not like that. Okay,

(01:16:35):
world there man, I like a lot like him. I
want to say, here the way, why those you building those?

(01:16:58):
He was growing up like three two seven? Yeah no
I haven't write.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
What do you do.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
You long ago? If we walked over? Yeah, yeah, should
be there. So give them your.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
You know what you've been about that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
All the other things you believe. Thought you wanted to
be a.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Singular only if it brought me favor. For a while,
I was willing to do anything good or bad that
was here. You got to learn in school. I was
going to do anything, whether it be God or bad
in the game, not variety of fame importance.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
You think, Mama that over school. I hope she'll. I
have a question for you. Do you know, Patty Hawk,
who is that person? She was my therapist? Set and
made a year ago? Okay, therapist where at somebody? Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:18:19):
Rude?

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Yeah, and that person was a therapist, counselor therapist okay
to the Western Colorado love think of that. Oh that's
like a huge complex.

Speaker 10 (01:18:38):
Kay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Yeah, it was in health services, like okay, I wasn't
there for physical reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
So yeah, the whole fame is a health complex though
it was in this building.

Speaker 22 (01:18:52):
What about Amy, she was my she was a job
that it hits me that helped me of option for
helping me get a job.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (01:19:07):
And then who's doctor Cayden d c A I d
ian a neurotheologist.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
Female or mail? I don't know. I'm sorry, Cayden Cayden
is the last name. I can tell you that sounds familiar.
I'm not sure who.

Speaker 9 (01:19:29):
Okay, So Patty Hoffman may have information because she was
your therapist, right, okay, And I don't know where.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Doctor Caden works, but we're gonna need a release for that.
Just put it awesome. I think it is on or
I think it's like three twenty one order or stuff
like that. Doctor Cayden the A.

Speaker 10 (01:19:59):
I D.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Okay, So this is the same forum sub search your
place for. So no, those are the names that I

(01:20:25):
came across.

Speaker 14 (01:20:27):
I do have another question, and I believe I understand you,
but I'm just double checking Brian.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
Fair with me, with anyone with you? When you didn't
that besides yourself? Okay, did you ever in your.

Speaker 14 (01:20:46):
Lifetime have any kind of serious head injury like you
concussion or power accident or anything like that?

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
Okay, any other major physical ailment either in the past,
are currently they give a break your leg things like that.

Speaker 23 (01:21:05):
H wow.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
Okay that's very healthy man, that's healthy.

Speaker 24 (01:21:10):
Okay, all right, No, I think I'm good. Okay, I'm
looking to give a couple more things. Well, you think
about anything else in my hands?

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
I can I get swamped, you know, because there's blood
and washed and all that. And I hit your day
in ages, so we don't have to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Are his.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
So think, well, you don't have to give it to you,
by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Besides, you will so if you will put those in
your mouth and swallow the around, rub your.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Cheeks, you know, hold them together. I ain't both of them.
So I'm looking good the mouth that you're looking to
in my in the scale. Oh yeah, I think we'll

(01:22:03):
get yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
How do you have?

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
I'm very curious, how do you feel about all this now?

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
I mean the next fifteen years of my life book
set and so present. If I go back at the night,
probably wouldn't have done knowing, not knowing what's it felt like,
knowing how there's water out, I would have done.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
Well, what did you think it was gonna feel on?
What did you you know? You said you were curious.
What did you think it was gonna feel like? I
thought it would be the best feeling in the world, okay,
and it just you said you didn't feel much about
the excitement. Oh that's right, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
But other than know okay, okay, I just like you're
right back and you.

Speaker 6 (01:23:12):
I just wanted to have you parked your car and
got out, or you saw him from your car and
then he got out, parked my car and I saw
him from my car.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
I parked, my car, got out, gotchall road and sawt
shape here. Parked my car, got out, saw him here,
got my stuff in the knives and the clothes. And
then did he see you? No, he was not woken
up until I pulled the sheets back. Did he Well,

(01:23:42):
I owned this fact. Pulled the sheet back and before
you stab him to his heel. No, and I pulled
the sheets back. I get on him. Oh, I got
me and then stab him and he wakes up. He's
hire you down.

Speaker 6 (01:23:57):
And I think you stabbed him anywhere? Besides, but I
know you said mac a lot of times. How many
times do you think as you come?

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
No, I was going until he stopped. Okay, how just
the best idea? How many times? Thirty or forty? Okay?
And said the neck besides cutting his arms? Well, actually
it was a general assault.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
I was mainly targeting his neck as I was vulnable area.
I was snabbing his head anywhere in that general area.
I had multiple time on his chest.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Is selling it? Said? I stepped once hear the ribs
which can re are you using the right hand. It
was his right ribs as.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
I placed up in his nelly, carved up into lag
not like I made some slight to that is the lag?

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Where did you do that?

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
I was just doing everything I thought of at the moment.
So let's talk about before you were sharing the bear.
Well did you say him before he was there?

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Nowhere about the head and neck? When did you stand
him on the shore after he perished? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
He let out a final gas okay, and he he
was He wasn't fighting later on, he was losing too
much energy at a loss, and he just finally gasped,
and I needed to make sure peace of mind.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
So he decapitated him. Partially as for the hell of it,
So let's try to go step step and city start
him in the neck of my head while I was alive. Yes,
I paused. We had a conversation where he said why
are you doing this?

Speaker 17 (01:25:36):
And I felt like h this for a long time,
I continued, he had died and deceased wherever you want
to call it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
And then I did command.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Then I stabbed his rids, opened up his belly, played
his the leg multiple times.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Okay. He rode him and then decapitated him, removed his hands,
his joints. Did you do before or after open battle?
After I wit his belly.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
I listened up his shirt and which way did you know?
I'm like, do you hear this way? Or like this one?

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
This way?

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Across the oil day he was here, I didn't see
it was hard or anything. No, he was very thin. Okay,
I thought about taking out what well do you think?
He thought? What do I think? What do I entirely?
What did you say? I saw his liver. It's large
and small intestine, and that's him. Some of it was yell.
I was thinking about taking out his heart. I was

(01:26:37):
thinking about crushing the ribs, and it's been boweling him hiring. Okay,
did you dimow him at all? Or just cut him open?
They cut him open, but his organs spilled out by
themselves when I was dumping him. Oh yeah, hoping anything?

(01:26:58):
Did you take anything beside the cart? Anything internally?

Speaker 9 (01:27:01):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
How did you know it was this liver?

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
I mean, do you ever go hunting? Or how do
you know it's somebody's liver? When you it's dark purple, brownish,
it's large.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Up here. I just knew it was. I've taken an
adme of physiology, so I knew it was curious. You've
never seen one before?

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Here?

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Just deafer.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
I've seen something, so what's meaning too? Things?

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
Thank you? Oh yeah, before it's for your hand. Yeah,
we can do. We'll finish all the ones I'm wy
for have So I know you've talked about your phone
or at least somewhere you Google search something. We'd like
to look at your phone. And do you have a

(01:27:52):
computer at home?

Speaker 10 (01:27:54):
I do?

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Is it yours? It's family owned, but I'm the one
who uses it. Okay, we'll be to the death stop
or a lunchtime the death stop. Okay, we'll kind of
your mom's a death I don't know. You don't know
where it is? No, I don't know who loves it?
Oh no, is that my mom's GM? You asked? That's okay?

(01:28:16):
And you use it? Have have you looked up some
of this stuff we've talked about. I think you talked
about looking from up tape up or on the internet
to use the computer? Yes, or the boat. So there's
another floor I just need to get since you have
cuts on their hands and they said that was from
picking up the NCRO in order before after you killed

(01:28:39):
together before, So do you want me to hold.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
It?

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Does help.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
The right handed designs man? You used the right handed.
I did, what if that one up with it like
that look? And also held him down partially with my hand.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Okay that do that cat? And you said you cuts
other things, Chris will well this one this one that
was the one one that went maybe do this again
with no luxury? That both that's the one messed up

(01:29:41):
one I'm sorry for. Let help.

Speaker 6 (01:29:48):
However, always the family said, what's the singer that's home? Yeah,
I'm not sure you think you get a bad n
iris or something somehow.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
I'll give your hold up hold that figure out, But
I don't need the thumb on the picture, so I
know which hand I take a picture of. How about.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
There right there?

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
What else? There's somebody outside.

Speaker 9 (01:30:22):
They're gonna help you with those poems if you could
address them clearly, that would be great, ye.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
With your poems? All these? Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:30:34):
Okay, Brian, may I continue to the top of that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Okay, sure, how are you doing? Okay? Okay? And you say, okay, okay,
what do we need to know about you that we
have an ass I'd love to think we think of

(01:31:10):
everything that we do reality. You need to know? What
do we need to know about you that we have
an asked.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
Sounds planning to become I was planning to go into
the military, okay, planning to go into forensics.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
Are nursing and eventually become a go to law enforcement?

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
Oh really?

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Okay? How come hel come go to forensics and then.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
To law enforcements helps with the law enforcement degree post
the military service.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
Also hot, it does help. What were you going to
do in the military. I'm going to Air Force. We're
in to do what you don't know? You just like
the Air Force easiest French physically.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
I've heard the reputation that all the smartest people go
in revenue client smart.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
It's just well, I'm gonna get you were pretty smart.
Have you ever had an IQ test? I'm not a couple.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
When they were testing me and they said I was
kid of something, that whole affair, right, They gave me
a weird IQ test, then tested me at the score
and tested aspect. I got it really really high. I
wanted yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, okay, to just do it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
I asked him what it is about him? We need
to know that you haven't happened. Then I got five
direct on IQ tests, so he wasn't a number.

Speaker 17 (01:32:36):
It was just kind of yeah, it was I don't
even know what they were a test thing for which
one that I got high on?

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
It was? It was a weird test. They didn't even
give me a score. How weird? Okay, I want to retard.
Did you yeah, did you like any of those anything
like therapists or people? Did you find any of them?
Did you like them? It was interesting? Bread? Those a
little too sorry to get put him. He was a

(01:33:03):
little bit too last week. Okay, that's all right, that's
the right, okay. And what about the others? They were fine? Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
What year did you transfer? What school year did you
transfer from through to the ar fine? Green nineteen? So
not your junior year?

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
Yeah, eleventh, great, okay, Okay, So I don't know because
I'm gonna talk about tactics.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
And did you guys talk about everywhere you went that
night before and after you found him?

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
Before? How long did you drive around world to do
any places? I went down to the area around the
airport with all the hotels. Okay, I went, Oh, I went.
Did you go buy a coat anywhere?

Speaker 10 (01:33:50):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
No, Joe driving or just waiting for helt? Fine? All right?

Speaker 25 (01:33:58):
So the hotel area, uh, main Street, A couple of times,
the area around Main Street, Whitland Park around that area.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Did you get out of a car anywhere else? The
gas from the guy in the world. Did you have
your phone with you that night? First part I did
it because and the first part I did, including murder,
I had my phone on me. I was using it
to find places like I didn't know where they were,

(01:34:36):
so I would use it to go exactly, I by
where the hotel area was.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
I don't know where it is, so what to do?
How to how do I find what? What? How did
you use your phone to find in them area? GPS?
Just like titl maam. Yeah, I looked at a location.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
So what kind of locations were well, areas sort of
not residential where people where how.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Less people would be leaping all time? Is that how
you found that area where you found him?

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
Yeah, it was decluded and it was by the train tracks.
I know how most people had to be there. Did
you take any pictures that night? Yes, but I deleted
them entirely.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
Where did you take.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
After I killed him? I took a picture and his hands,
but I deleted all those because those are evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
I don't know if you can find them. But when
you say deleted them entirely. That's an interesting thing. And
what do you mean by I removed them from my phone?
Believed the pictures? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
Do you have like a web thing your picture's still
too late photos or something? No, natives targets, they're deleted?

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
Were they there? They were?

Speaker 6 (01:35:51):
Yes, on our web thing on now on my phone? Okay,
I understand my life is like mine. I can delete
them on my phone, but they still end up going
somewhere else. You know, anything else you can think we
should look for. Did you tell anybody about what you
did before today?

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
No, I haven't told anyone that I committed murder. Okay,
nobody liked the webding or something nowhere.

Speaker 10 (01:36:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (01:36:19):
Did you tell your parents You said they kind of
compronted you when you thought that. Did you give them
details about all of.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
It the murder? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
I didn't tell them either, Oh, because they compronted you
right until they only controlled.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
Me when the police arrived. They I think, like nothing
was wrong. Oh really yeah, until the police arrived.

Speaker 20 (01:36:40):
Okay, Well, since the head was no longer in your
closet and it was in the kitchen, to think if
you wasn't gig was up right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
Oh yeah, I don't do that wedding. Yeah, okay, well
supplier one chance to get stuck.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
M hmm, yeah, I don't know. What else? Do you
want to know anything? You want to talk about what
happened or what do you remember? Do you think anybody
saw it? Maybe a few people.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
Saw me standing behind there, but after the writer was committed,
whenever someone would drive by, I would hide behind here here.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
You might drive by while you were oh.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
Yeah, a few people, but I wouldn't be able to
identify their car.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Then would they've been able to see what you were doing?

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
No, I think it would have been too so if
they could, they couldn't see the body.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
They could only see maybe my leg. Okay, okay. And
just to confirm, you said you took the hand, you
took the head, you drop both arms off, and three
of them did the link adapt the leaves they detached, okay,
all right? And that went with the body down the river?
Yeah okay, and.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
The wallet who took any other personal ende the come
on or somewhere else and cooolfie bangs that the.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
Wall was Yeah, I was playing to maybe keep that finger. Yeah,
I got that for it my finger. That's small, not
that much space. They won't saw that much.

Speaker 26 (01:38:44):
Keep yeah, well, let us step out and figure out
what will going back? Okay, okay, be right, where will
be staying.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
We're gonna be staying here for a while, but we're
gonna figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
O M.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
Yeah, you'll be here, but full on just a minute. Okay,
we're gonna figure.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
All that out.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
Still in here, Yeah, me too. Oh you must have.

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
Oh do you want me to redraw?

Speaker 19 (01:39:17):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
I was gonna take a picture of it, but okay, sorry,
that's some fans.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
That's it, right, you're right, you're right. So here's what
here's what I think is gonna happen in Pete double checking.
But so you're gonna go here. You're you're gonna go
to our jails here.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
And then we'll go further.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
We have to we have to do a bunch of paper,
bunch of paperwork to be done.

Speaker 14 (01:39:37):
But you have to you have to go to jail.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Now you can understand that from organization. Okay, all right,
So that's what we're gonna do unless you have something else.
All were any of the clothes you're wearing now, were
you wearing phones? On anything like that. Where's your Yeah,
I wish I want? Why do you wish? You're in
your phone? Something to do? Fair?

Speaker 23 (01:39:59):
Fair?

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (01:40:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
Do you give your parents' homemarn stuff you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
Called the jail?

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
Yeah, you know that I do.

Speaker 9 (01:40:08):
Okay, Okay, well we get to it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
I don't care they used the bathroom the last time. Okay, okay, yeah,
I won't and I'll meet you out there. Now you've listened.
Now go do your thing.

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