Evil Teen LOSES IT After Realizing Friend's Murder Was Caught On Camera - Full Police Interrogation

Evil Teen LOSES IT After Realizing Friend's Murder Was Caught On Camera - Full Police Interrogation

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to your top true crime hob for the variety
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
You know I'm innocent, and you know I had nothing
to do with it. So how am I brother? Did
I put any trigger? Did I kill anybody? Did I
drive him to the hospital? I woe drove him to
the hospital. Did either one to blame? Oh, I get charged.
I drove him to the hospital.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm gonna treat you like a dumb guy, because you're
not dumb. This is a serious investigation. We take these
kind of things very seriously. I'm not blaming you for anything.
I'm not blaming anyone for anything. But unfortunately, and my
condolences go out to you, his family and everybody, Brian
lost his life.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
I understand that. That's what I say too. I don't
understand where I'm coming from.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
And you you have to understand that his mother came
to us and say, I just want to.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Know what happened.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I looked at his mom in the eyes and said, ma'am,
we're gonna do everything within our power to find out
what happened. And that's what we've been doing. Okay, So
I believe it in doing my job, Bear and impartial.
I just want to let you know it from the beginning.
I'm not trying to trick you. I'm not trying to
run game on you. I'm not trying to play head

(01:11):
games with you. I'm not trying to engage in deception.
I'm not trying to do any of those things whatsoever.
I just want you to know that up front. You're
here because I have a DNA warned for you in
regards to some evidence that we recovered in the car,
and I also want to speak to you to just
try to get some truth because how you got to know.

(01:31):
We spoke to your girl. We spoke to Brenda was honest.
Brenda's you know your girl, Brenda was honest.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
I spoke to you.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Some of the things that you told me were truthful.
Some of the things that you told me were not
very truthful. I work for Brian's mother, I work for
his family. We're just trying to get an understanding of
what happened. I'm not blaming anybody for anything, but we're
trying to find out what happens as we continue to
move forward.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Have you ever been read girl? Do you understand everything?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Have you ever been rigem and Randa, Right, Okay, I
just want to read them to you to let you
know that I'm not trying to run game. I'm not
trying to trick you, and I want you to have
a full understanding of everything.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Do you understand you're gonna tell the truth? Man, I
swear I am. I came here. I swear everything I
love on my son.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
When I heard like people call me and say they
already come into the house and stuff, It's like, but
I already know.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
But we were gonna be honest with you. We were
supposed to get a search warrant for if Weena Lane address.
They ain't got nothing to.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Do with this. That's what I'm saying about these people. Innocent.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
That's why we didn't do It's like everybody's innocent in
this situation.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
And I understand that's why we didn't do it. That's
why we didn't hit the house. That's why they went,
I'm gonna be honest with you, That's why.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
We didn't do it. We we ain't. We ain't stupid. Man.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
We used discretion a lot, I say, because a lot
of times I gotta say, they ain't got nothing to
do with this.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
We're not gonna do. That was my little brother. Man,
it's like all this like I don't know, it's like
it just don't make sense. And it's just like I
don't know, but it's just be a lot and it's like,
you know, I got a son and it's like I
just look at this.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
It's like, damn, what if it's gonna happen to my son?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Like and you gotta put and you also got to
put yourself in Beg's mom shoot.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
But it's like the people know me, his brother know me.
He gonna tell you he don't know me, but this
man know me. Like we all grew up together, but
we all can make with villains. Like is my brother,
like I called Diego, call him like if any time
I don't have no money for the rent, Bro always
come through and if BG just always with him.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
That's a little brother bro. You feel me.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
But I'm be honest with you. Diango didn't really have
nothing bad to say about you. Diego's do you ain't
gonna understand that his mother is in a lot of pain.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I understand that too, but not hurt me to see
that brother is still supposed to be here, just like
it ain't even supposed to happen.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
I understand that. I'm here to tell you this. I'm
here to tell you this, bro.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
You got to show me nothing. Bro, I understand whose
car is this? That's my car, that's power right, Yes.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Okay, let's go through it. I just want you to
to show you this. I'm about to tell you now
what's going on right here? Space the video you gonna see,
You're gonna see, You're gonna see you see people coming out.
You see people coming out, see people coming out? Now,
where am I you driving? You drive? Okay?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
You just got okay, you see you see now I'm here.
You see now, Okay, I see you walking over Now?
Are you saying anything to.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Them right now?

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Now?

Speaker 4 (04:23):
I'm just like your boy's chilled, like we ain't even
come here for that. Like me, I don't know. That's crazy. Bro.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
We were just going through there just to look for
red I swear, and you've seen that way how we
was just driving.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
I guess I'm about to tell you right now, let's
play out.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Just happened. They had a do you now? Did you
know those other two cats over there? You didn't know
that they had a bat though. I bet you don't
see that. You see and people run, But that's what
I'm telling you.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
That's b g.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Okay, we're watching it. Okay, you're gonna see it's more. Okay,
that's you running.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Back, you know what I mean? That's that's what's his name?
That's kristen Na. That's everybody back in the car. No,
everybody is not in a car. That's what you don't understand.
Everybody is not in the car. Look, why would we
stop if everybody's in the car. Who's not in the car? Right? Okay,
BG is not in the car.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
BG ran because some dude start hitting them up the
bat found Okay, that's why I think.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
That's what we're trying to understand. You gotta understand it. Now.
We pull up right here. Hey, now the car stops
again right there, and we.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
See BG down there. BG down there, no matter of fact.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Okay, somebody just got out of ring. Who is that?
That was all of it? Okay, that was Oliver. Now
this is what's problematic right here? You see that, don't you? Yes?
And who is that saying that? Who is that? That
was BG's friend? What's his I don't know. But when
we told him I taught him to stop.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Everybody tried to get out the car, everybody and you
can see me.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
We drove to the hospital. We try to save BG.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
I understand that, but listen, Okay, you got you got
a kid, man, So it's up you driving the car.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
So listen, and I'm gonna be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
And the only reason why I ain't saying I was
there is because I'm a father person.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
I don't want to be involved in nothing. But this
is the problem.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Whoever this guy is in the back seat put everybody
in that car in a bad situation.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
So so it's up to you.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
I don't know, though, And it's like I don't even
even if I know. I don't even stand on that. Bro. Bro, listen,
you know where that guy is.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
I don't know. You know what that is.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I don't want to see what everything will be resolved. Man,
it's just not I don't know. But this is not
me though, But you see me, I don't got nothing
to do with this. And even afterwards, you see me
drove to the hospital. Yeah, I left because I was scared.
Look what happened. What would you would have done?

Speaker 3 (06:56):
I understand what you're saying, but listen, this guy here.
You and I both know who that is.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Bro. Do you know we got the gun?

Speaker 3 (07:05):
We got that gun, so it's time to stop playing games.
We got the gun in Okato.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
I don't know you're driving the car. He gets out
of the car shooting.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Okay, So we're at a point right now where you
gotta be honest because think.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
About you're driving the car. It makes it seem like
you're driving up for a drive BYO or it does not.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
You just seen all this happen, and even afterwards. I
drove him to the hospital. I'm innocent, everybody.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
You guys didn't drive him directly to the hospital, Yes
I did, Yes, I did.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
You guys want to drop BENI off.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
I don't know about all of that. I know I
drove him to the hospital most depth. Yes, it was like, yeah,
you drove him to that. Y'all got to the hospital
at ten oh eight. In order to see In order
for us to have some full understanding.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
And to really move forward and for us to really
put things in perspective, you gotta stop lying about who
that is shooting.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
I don't know. I knowed you everything. I can tell you.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Everything to happen, right there after that, I'm telling you,
I don't have nothing to do with this.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Me in the car, don't have nothing to do with this.
They're innocent. I swear, we were just trying to defend them.
I understand why.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Brother did that, though, because what if someone's hitting your
little brother in the head with a.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Metal back in your head repeatedly? What would you would
have done? I understand that, but it's like I don't
know that. I don't know about all that now.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
I would have I told everybody help him.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
What's a big dude, we're running back? What not? This one? Here?
This one? What's this right here? I don't know, bron
I don't want to say nobody, man, you guys know this.
Bro y'all please do your job. I don't want to.
I don't want to be a part of this. I
just want to this. It's a lot. I can't even

(08:49):
grievee from this.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I can't even sleep at night because I know y'all
could have come.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Well. Is it like, if you if you wanted to
do our job, why aren't you telling the truth because
that's that's not nothing to do with me.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
And it's like, bro, y'all have the evidence in front
of your face. But do this look like to y'all,
Do y'all look like he could horse this? Do y'all
look like he did this on purpose?

Speaker 3 (09:05):
It looked like you guys went over there. I'm gonna
be honest with you. I promise you.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
We was looking for Brant. Dudes started something through something
in my car. That's when I slowed. I said, someone
hit my car, and I've seen dudes come out. I
guess they thought, oh, somebody else. And then after that,
everybody hop out my buttt off rippy like hell, or
now that's your car? Bring you tripping? Or let the
boys do that? He hop out, Hey, what y'all do?
And y'all tripping? Where I did that?

Speaker 5 (09:28):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Come out with the bat, didn't you feel me? That's
when everybody get discovering. And then after that everybody just
like that, bro, people already con thetrol.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
This's just clear. Let's just go home and after that
beg run who I was with you this day in
the car. You know this, bro.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I can't tell you this but you guys, because this
is not something I stand on. This is I'll tell
you about what I did myself, but I stand on
myself like I know I'm responsible for myself.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
I know that for myself.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I'm not gonna say anybody else's name because I don't
got nothing to do with me. I could talk to them.
I will tell them what's up. They will listen to me.
That's what I'm telling you, bl This was already gonna
go and I understand y'all went to Alan and it's
like it was just some crazy ass I know. And
it's like you feel me, and it's like, Bro is
really gonna take that from me? And it's like, Bro, we

(10:14):
all talked about this already. He was already gonna come
forward doing this. Not Alan, but the person who responsible Benji.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
I don't know, but the person who was responsible. I
don't know who did this. I don't know about anything
about all that, but I know I talked to him, Bro,
and if.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
You give me time, he will come forward. I don't
know who you're talking about, but I know I know.
I know myself. Man, I know this was not on purpose,
but its purpose. I understand this is too much of
a mistake. This is what I tell him. I told everybody.
I'm telling you like same thing y'all telling me. I

(10:48):
already done told him everybody. I already know, fam bro,
but I don't even know. But it's like it's all
proof here, Bro, this is not cohores. This was not
happened on plans like no, bruh, this is and it's
like it's it's it's sad that the youngest one had
to die too, And this is't my first time.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Broh. Benjamin started shooting at the guys. But I just
told you, you ain't seeing everybody got out the car.
Why would we stop the car? Why do we just leave?
Because he's because someone was broke. BG was there. He
was hitting him with a bat. I see Oliver getting
back in the car with a bat. That what I'm
sure you no? You watching?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I'm sure oh yeah, yeah yeah afterwards afterwards right most death.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
What you think we took the bat? Of course you're
gonna stop that in it, duh, he took the bat.
Did you see Oliver hop out with a bat? Though?

Speaker 2 (11:44):
No, bro, because it's not how it happened like that.
I'm telling you, bro, this was not playing. I promise
to everybody. Everybody's innocent in this situation. And it's just
tragic that somebody lost their life. And I understand that
like this don't happen.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
But it's like, Brother, look but if you understand that
when people understand situations, I understand, but.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's certain things I stand on and I'm like, I
got to impute to my kids. It's like, it's not
going to go down like this, not that this is
what I got going on for myself.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
But I know I'm responsible for.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
And I promise you after this, I'm not talking with nobody.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
You know, I learned off this. Bro.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
You can't even like but I know, look how they
got us. I understand that You're right, people don't care.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
But and I know this now obviously, Bro's there's no
sense of righteousness or a sense of morality and allowing
someone's mother to live.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
In pain, that's not you, right, and you but you know,
if I stand the only thing in life that any
of us have to stand on that really means anything
is the truth.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
That's it. That's that's the only thing any of us
can ever stand on. Because I know Bro is living
right now.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Bro, he will say it too, Bro, like damn this one,
it wouldn't even have to happen like this, Like it
was not meant to go down like we was just
at the wrong place, at the wrong time. But all
this happened. We got scared. We ain't want to say it,
were scared, but the proof is in your face. We
thought y'all would solve this. We are we we have solved.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
We're trying to get an understanding of what happened because
we talked to the guys that was there.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
So we get the video and we're looking at everything.
I'm looking at the video.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I see an incident that happened, and I see you
driving the car, the Chevin Vallee.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
You drive around the corner. Now see the car stop.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
No, you've seen something just happened. We had a scuffle
right Someone was out of the car.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
I gets out of the car and runs and we
tell them to come out, and so we tell them
you feel me.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
That's when we see shots fired. I see shots being
fired out of the back.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
So you're saying we did all this on purpose, No,
coul that could be impossible.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Impossible. I'm just I'm just telling you what the videos,
that's all I see. That's not and I'm telling you
what it is. And I'm telling you right now what
it is.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
This is not And if it was like that, why
did we even drive the worst thing we wanted to
kill to the hospital.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
I didn't say y'all wanted to kill it. I never
said make it makes sense, but it's not. I didn't
say y'all wanted to kill him. I said, you're driving
the car you pull up in pal I said.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
I would be defriend That's all I'm gonna say. I
don't know about nothing else, Bro, I can tell you
about myself, but I'm gonna tell you right now, everybody
inside that car except who showd me whatever it was responsible,
is innocent and they don't have nothing to do. And
this ship we should not suffer because of this. This
really was on accident. Who was minding our business?

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Yeah, but you.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Can you can say, you can say, you can say
it's on accident, and I understand that, and there's some
evidence to support that.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
However, I understand, Yes, I know you want to be
exactly you want to find the person who's responsible.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
I understand.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
I want to be able to look Brian Rivera's mother
in the eyes and said, man, we did any and
everything that we can do.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
And I can tell you and I can tell you
that he's This is gonna be over soon.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
I promise you, bro, it's gonna be over.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
I understand that that's what we gotta live with too,
and it's like that too.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
But all this extra ship, bro, that we shouldn't.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Be happen to go through, it's not extra when you
you guys are engaged in something that cost somebody their life.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
You guys, this has nothing to do with me. I
understand that that's doing my job.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
And I think that we've been doing our job righteously, professionally,
and respectfully. I think that's the way we've been doing
We threaten nobody. We haven't tried to involve people that
are not really involved. We follow the letter of the law.
We got this video, so it's important for us to
put this in perspective for Brian's mouth, and you got
to understand the way the law works.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
This is your call with it. This guy is shooting
from the back seat of your car. Let me ask
you this question. This is real simple. How are we
supposed to know, Hobbyer.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
That you guys did go over there with the intent
to shoot and hurt somebody.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Somebody has a gun, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I don't know, but if that was the case, why
didn't we put up shooting in the beginning, Like, why
didn't we put up shooting to begin with? If it
was that, it don't matter if you shoot in the beginning. Oh,
it doesn't matter because that's not how people roll. That's
not how things go. People don't just certain come out
and start fighting, they start shooting. That's not how it goes.
Do you realize I've been working in these cases and
that's what I understand.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
That's what I understand.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Do you realize that every time I've worked tons of
murders and shootings, they don't just pull up and start shooting.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
That's not how things happen all the time. That's not cool.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I don't know about all of that, but I know
man in the real world, and it's coming sense. Nobody's
gonna come and fight somebody then start shooting at them,
Like that's kind of dumb.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
That happens a lot. Well that I don't know. They
probably you feel me and they where they at now.
That happens a whole lot. Unfortunately exactly that that's happen.
That won't even you feel me? So you know, everybody
in this car except the guy who's shooting. Yes, sir,
so you don't know. You're saying that's bag. You have
no idea.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
So there's nothing. We have no evidence of database or
anything we have that's gonna link you to Benjamin Careers.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
But I don't know. I don't know who. I don't know,
to be honest, sir, So do you always let people
get in your car? You don't know? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:48):
I mean if you if say, you say you my dog,
and you bring somebody with you, you say he's great, he's great,
That's just how I roll.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
That ain't I'm not gonna go into death. Body, did
you ever figure out what they threw at your car?
You never figured out what they threw at your car?

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Probably something on it, though, y'all got my car and
like when can I get it back?

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Y'all? See, brom Man, I'm working, but.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
I got to do with my life. Brow Were you
out working? You're productive? Nobody can argue against that. Let
me ask you this, how come it took you guys
that Lantana Cascades?

Speaker 4 (17:22):
It is only like two minutes.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Because everybody was scared. Nobody was like, bro, what the
should we do?

Speaker 4 (17:28):
Like?

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Bro, is this really happening? Obviously? Like we just kept
stopping and just like, Bro, this can't be happening. And
then I'm just like bo, that was like I'm tripping,
Like that's when it hit me, like, Bro, I gotta
take him to the hospital.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Oh no, Bro, I just I'm telling y'all, Bro, we innocent. Bro.
It ain't even like this.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Was course or this was like no, it was not
like I put this on my son's life, on my
unborn son.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
He's I don't think for a second anybody ever said
that what transpired that day was planned out as far.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
As no, I losing his life exactly. But y'all charge
this as a homicide case.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Right, Some bad decisions were made exactly, and I understand, yes,
I understand that most death, but not on purpose or
you know you feel me. It was not like all
like that at all. Why would we do that? Like
that makes no sense?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
How do we what is what is there to show
that you guys didn't go over there looking to start
any issues with these two jokes?

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Look at us? Do you think about it?

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Like, ask yourself, we already have a gun in the car.
You think we about to come out and fight with somebody?
Come on, bron, it's common sense. Why would we do that.
We're not gonna go out looking for problems. I promised
you I was going to there from look for rent.
Ask my girl?

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Should I tell you look at my house?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Y'all see that little wist trailer I sleep in the kitchen.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Did you got a son? I promised I was looking
for rent. But it wasn't even like that. But you
were just driving around looking for for salese signs on trailer. No,
it says for rent like rent, but trailers secifically, yes,
but it's places like that. Sometimes they got them in store,
sometimes they be in front of the house. Okay.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
So before this incident happened, you drove through there like
thirty minutes earlier, and then you drove out the left.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, now what was that about? Just to see? I
thought it was like, oh no, just this place over here, okay,
And then you came back.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Did you other than this area here where the car
stops at the first time? Did you guys drive anywhere
else in the trailer park? Because yeah, see this video?

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Ye yeah, yeah, you got a mad you got a math. Yeah.
All we're trying to do is find the truth.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
We worked and I'm not here to help y'all.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
But I'm here to tell y'all my side and all
the innocent people that were involved that we really truly
don't underli And it's and I could see this, like.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
And I understood that when I knew that I.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Was lying, Like I could just see us like, oh,
we're going doubt for like we're just trying to cover
it up.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
But it's not like that. So it's like I know
when I swear.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Everything, when y'all, when my people was calming me, like, bro,
this is getting too far, and like I thought he
was gonna talk to him.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
I was. I was waiting, but it's just like, just
get too scared, bron.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
It's like I don't want to go to jail because
I gotta sign bro this, I gotta one come.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
I got one coming on the way. But I got
a lot to do for myself.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Okay, So here is the mobile home park right here.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I'm pretty sure we came through here through this. Not wait, no,
we came through here. We came through here pretty I
don't know if we came I don't know, but I
can't really remember. I ain't gonna lie for this ship.
A whole bunch of strength been going on. I ain't
trying to make no excuse that. I'm not saying you

(20:37):
are right here. I came through here, through here.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
Let me see.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
I'm pretty sure we came through here, all the corners
right here, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. Okay, yeah,
I know we came from here. For a fact, through
all of this. I don't know about this street, but I.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Know we came through here.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
I don't know, bro, and I know man for sure.
I remember we had here the left before, trying to.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Not like we didn't go like this and you got
so you were just driving by and all of a
sudden he heard a noise or something like no, like yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Like we see you feel me?

Speaker 2 (21:09):
No First, like I'm driving and I don't know if
my dogs seeing it or if he heard it, But
then he was like, nah, burnt, someone just do something
at your car. And that's when he was like tying up. Okay,
that's when you see me, like Noah, that's when you
see me. Look and I'm looking. That's when you see that,
you feel me.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
That's when you.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
See the car almost at the mailbox or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Garbage can Yeah, that's a that's a garbage that's a
garbage can right there.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
You do do whatever you want to do. Like, what
was it? Mm hmm, like you feel me right here?
That's when you just pulled the thing mm hmm right

(21:56):
here right here?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
You see yep, and you're turning. That's when I like,
that's when he was That's why I was gonna just
drive off. But then it was like, nah, but let
me just see what this bob.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
Can you stop? You see you can see, bro?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Now you did you that You're the first one out
of the car. I'm the first one at the car.
I'm the last one at the car. Look how many
people got out of the car before me?

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Talking about the first one at the car? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,
I'm probably like two.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
And I'm still in the car three Now I'm the
third one at the car.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Okay, you're getting at the car. But we are innocent, bro.
It's just what are you guys arguing right now? What's
being said? I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, that's what that's what we're just trying to see
what's up. And then had the back you can see
that day. You feel you see him singing it. You
see you see it, bro, You could see it in
the air right here, look look up here. Mm hm,

(23:12):
I'm tripping, bro I'm telling you on my son, like Brod,
this was swinging bats and ship which ill thought it
was like this don't even make sense, like if it
wasn't anything else.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
The first based on just the video and just interviewing
those guys who like you guys over there drove by
stop and look like y'all was trying to start something
with them.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
That's what we look like. It's five on two. I
understand that. That's what I'm saying. That's why I look,
you know how I look how lost I was like
when it happened.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
If it was that would have you feel me like, No,
I understand it's five it's five on two. Those guys
are see this is the problem. They're on their own property,
they're minding their business, y'all driving. They just stepped off
their business that they did, feel me.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
I understand what you said.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
But that's still their neighborhood though, yeah, they live there,
so they just get there so they just can throw all.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
They can't do that. They absolutely can't do that. What's
the DNA swall for? What's that I'll be I'm telling
you a damn the bullets, the bullets in the car.
We just want to make sure you ain't touched on
bullets and nothing like that. I told you about that.
I wouldn't lie about that.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
We find bullets in your car, that's what it's for.
This ain't for the Car's obviously drive the car. It's
for the bullets. To make sure you never touch any
of the bullets that came into contact with any of
the bullets.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
That's that's what it's for. That's what we got it
just to make sure because I believe even.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Doing my job the right way, Bro, I'm not gonna
jam somebody up and drop paper on nobody what I
do in my job.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
I'm not just gonna go based off what I believe
or whatever. We got to follow through and do our job.
That's why we always speak to people. Anybody that lie
to me, I always say, listen, man, I know you
lie them.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Give you an opportunity to tell the truth. I understand
people are scared, they're nervous, they're grieving. We understand all
those things. That's why I'm here now speaking with you now.
And like I said, this, this is that's that just happened.
Whatever whatever this is the this is the only issue
right here, what happens right here.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
No, but that's that's that's not the issue. But this
is the ending of what happened over here, Like this
is this. I understand how it looks on camera, but
it's not like it's not what it seems.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
If you want, I ask you this, if you guys
were defending yourself, if you guys are trying to defend.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Your friend, why an't you being honest about everybody that
was in the car, Because that's not on me to tell,
like that's not I don't. I can't.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
I can't control that because like you, for me, I
just what if they got something to go on with
they life and it's like I'm not, I can't. I
can't do that. I just can't. And I bet they
did the same for me. So it's like it's just
we just it's something we just don't do. But we
just can't do that.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
So it's okay. For Brian's mother, it's not okay. I
know understand that. And the person for this is gonna
be responsible. I promise you. I promised you.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
But this was being supposed to take place, but the
way I don't know, Bro you say yourself.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
People, it's been three weeks. This happened only three week
This happened on the sixteenth. If it's thirty first, nobody's
nobody stepped up. And yet I know when is somebody
gonna start telling the truth.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I don't know, but I know it's gonna happen, bro,
And I promise you we are innocent.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
But it didn't even happen. It wasn't supposed to happen
like that. When did you know there was a gun
in your car? Then? Right?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Then? Okay, that's when I told him, like, what the
fuck is you doing? Everybody get out and then you
will see everybody gets.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
Out right here.

Speaker 7 (26:26):
Look when I back up, no hair and hair like
the little pigs play, you're gonna see it right, You're
gonna see what you're gonna see.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
I promise you, bro. They're not supposed to happen like that. Bro,
if we all would, we stop and someone would get out.
So is he going over there to help become big?

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Is that what he is?

Speaker 5 (26:55):
That?

Speaker 4 (26:55):
What Oliver got out of the car to go help g
I ain't say it was him, So whatever blamed for
something we didn't even do that.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
You're not telling everything that that we didn't even like.
I tried to help, I did the most. We was
not even supposed to be there. And it's like I
couldn't even go to a bro funeral. I can't even Like,
why'd you the guy who did the shooting? Why did
you allow him to get back in your car and
drive away? I didn't know what the whoa what would
you do? Like Bro, Like this is all happening. BG's
back in the car and everything's back in the car,

(27:32):
like and at this point.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
I didn't know, like I didn't, like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
And then and then I have your cell phone records
just by following your phone, I know you drove by
the hospital first. I know that you didn't go to
the hospital immediately. Y'all drove by the hospital. I can
actually tell you, I can tell you exactly what you did.
You guys came out of here, you had the green light.
You guys got the Congress. You guys went north from Congress.

(28:01):
You guys kept going past the hospital, and you guys
turned back in this neighborhood right here. Then you guys
came back out. Then you guys went to the hospital.
I know that for a fact, I analyzed the phone records.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
That's what I do. I analyzed phone records. I don't know,
but I know we understand. And I'm telling you everybody
you're saying you got you're.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Saying I'm innocent, and everybody else who did not shoot
nobody is innocent. We honestly tried to help and we
did not mean to be there, like we did not
even not even like that. We we did not even
have mean the situation that happened like that.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Well, why is it so difficult in the beginning to
just be honest about that?

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Because it's like, bro, what would you do? Like you
just seen bruh kill bro, like and it's like I
don't know, I can't. It's like I just can't. I
don't know why everybody was in the shop, Like did
this really just happen for what?

Speaker 4 (28:55):
For nothing? For nothing? Why didn't you stay to the
hospital because.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
I was, yeah, bro, I was like already know, like
everybody been locked up before. Everybody Like all they about
to say was us, someone just died.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Well it's been two weeks. We haven't arrested because we're
doing our job. That's not how it works. We don't
just arrested. We can't act.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
It's like, but that's how we think it, bro, That's
how we think it's That's just me being honest.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
That's how we thinking. Like. Bro, we slave like with
the like you feel me. So after that you see me,
I go straight to my my BM.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I saw the stadium, and I try to spend as
much time as I can because you know what was
gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
You went back to the Dragon Park. Yeah, I followed
your phone.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
But but before you went to Lakeworld Village, you went
over to forty eight forty eight.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Why did you go over there? I was gonna get
some clothes, okay, because you went to forty eight. Then
you went because I got your car video turning, and
because we got cameras at Malachucan Military it turned and went.
And I know you went to Lakeworld Village because I
got your phone. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Well, like I said, this is my last opportunity to
speak to everybody. Like I said, and I'm telling you
you know the truth right now. Some of you put
some of the stuff in perspective, but the mere fact
some of the things that you're saying is for the
white you guys are over there that's that's I mean,
you're saying somebody hit your car.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
I'm looking. I don't really see anybody throwing anything at
your car.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Obviously they way over here. You can't even see him
swinging the bat. But you see someone come back with
a bat though, right, Who had a machete? Oh yeah,
and it was it was a machete in a back
most depth.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Who had the machete? Do you see any of us
hop out with a machete?

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Because the reason we know it was a machete because
there was a lady who saw the whole.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Thing over there.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yes, thank you God. I'm telling you, brou bats and machetes.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
What would you do? But I see, let me show
you something I know.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I went, Oh, I thought my brother was chipping brok
hes talking about it was just bad.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
You know. He said it was a bat in machete,
but I only see the bat.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
To be real, I ain't gonna shot shot shot shot shots,
jump out your car.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
We're passing.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
He shoots again. That's when he shoots Brian. Unfore, that's
Christian right there. He already said it was him.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
He gets out of exactly get out bro y'all boy's
tripping then everybody just comes.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Back in closing. You close the drivers door, Christian gets
out again.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
It's just y'all, I'm telling you right now, bro, it
didn't even mean it happened like that.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Count how many people came out and how many people
stepped out. Look see what he's holding. Yeah, we took
it from him. That's a machete. That's not all. That
was a bad I know you're talking about, but that
wasn't onchee.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
And that's our breeting in the front seat. I know
when we took that from him. I know I understand that.
And I'm telling y'all, yeah, but Dune, you don't see
nobody hop out with a bat or nothing like that.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
No, because why why was why did you guys let
me ask you this. Why did you guys drive over
there and Brian was over there by herself where over here?
You guys, I just told you this.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Just started swinging the bat and the machete whatever whatever
he was with them, start swinging.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Brian ran.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Everybody looked play. Everybody gets back in the car. I say,
everybody in the car. Nobody like b G b G BG.
So we can go back, go back around the corner.
They say, you ran behind the trailer, and as you
can see, this is between the trailers, like like the
little alley or whatever. Yeah, I know where it is.
And then right here, right this is the trailer, they say,
the trailer from the floor right boom, this is the bat.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
That's the bat.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Right here, this is the lett alley right there.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, I'm telling you, Bro, were innocent.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Dudes came to us and it's like, but you got
to understand y'all in the trailer world.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's what I'm saying. I understand that. But it's like
you can ask everybody else like Bro, It's like, Bro,
I promised you we were looking.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
For brand, but you guys are in their trailer parks.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
If it was something, why didn't we do something the
first time? You feel me saying I don't even make sense?
And then if we wanted a problem we had if
brou had a whole gun in a car, Okay, that's
more than we think you think we would have, Like come.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
On, bro, here it is right here six at ninety Okay,
so go back down. I'm here over.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
There you find okay. So yeah, okay, so.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
This is just my hair. Yeah, I know what it
is now it's gonna be oversoon, bromised. All I do
is you keep saying I promised you, like it's gonna
be over swoon. Bro's gonna come here, gonna man up.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
To this, brocause he knows how far he's getting this,
and I'm trying to tell him from the jump the
innocent like, oh, look, it's gonna be evident. Like, Bro,
this is all on camera, Thank you God. It's people
telling you machete. Did you see any of us hop
out with a bat on machete? If we had a problem,
why didn't we just you feel me? Come on, bro,

(34:12):
it's like it's in your faith. We ain't saying nothing
because we don't know how that will come to us.
We already got a record. We already donna look bad.
Like that's how we're thinking, though, That's how we're thinking,
like we just don't know what to do.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
We just kids. At the end of the day, brodn't
mean that happened like this people record.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
I don't having somebody having a record and got nothing
to do with how we do investigations all But it's
all about evidence. Bro, It's not nothing to do because
you look at the evidence of the record, though, be
honest with you, that means nothing to be.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
All that means is we.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Don't think like that. We're thinking like, damn, bro, we
don't went to jail. Bro, we ain't trying to go.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
That means at some point in your life you made
a bad decision. That's all having a record means to me. Okay,
this is where y'all stopped right there.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
These are the trailers.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Boom all right, okay, so boom, we stopped right here
right boom, I said. Everybody in the car about about
to drive, he said, damn bg so boom, I come here,
like he said, he ran behind the thing.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Boom. They were right here, faded. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I don't know how far it was, but I know
if it was between here is right here. This is
where your car, your cars parked right here. This is
what and this is your car is parked. If you
look right here, this is where your cars parked right
right on.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
The speed bump. You see it right on the speed
right there in that area. If you look speed bump
right here, that's where your car is parked. So boom right, yep,
that's what That's where your cars parked right right there,
on that right there.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
You see it is right here right boom so boom
right So BG's in the alley.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
We're already, dude, just you feel me. I don't know
if it was the bat rhythm Michelley, but brou came
back with the bat. But yeah, it was the bat. Yeah.
He was hitting him in the head with the back
of everything. Bro.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
If I call Oliver, tell him brother, tell him what happened. Bro,
he gonna tell you, Bron, we're talking about Christian too.
I'm telling you bro it all if they know, like, okay, Bro,
the truth came o. Bro, we not like they know
we innocent. They're gonna be like all right, bro, all right,
but I ain't tripping.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Let me show you.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
We all tried to solve this already already told bro,
like take like you feel.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Me, man, noh for this, Bro, what you gotta do?
But we ain't. We all tried to help. You know
what this like ain't having to happen how I was
supposed to know. All I know is this.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
I've been doing this job a long time. I have
never screwed nobody else. I never do that exact I
said the only.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Person right now that our answer to is.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Brian's mother, and she said, I want please find out
what happened to my son.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
And I said, yes, ma'am, we will.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
And that's and that's how we ever do like this
like like this ain't about us, dog, this ain't about me.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Like do you think I want to be doing this,
investigating murders and all that?

Speaker 3 (36:49):
No, I honestly wish a lot of this senselessness would stop,
because I've been doing this for fifteen years and it
gets hard and harder. Just so much pain, so much anguish,
so much I'm a man, so many tears, and it
weighs on you.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
I think I want to be bothering you when you
just got our work. We don't. We don't want to
do that, bro, That's that's not what I want to do.
I don't know what I stak. Man. Listen, bros. You're
hard working man. You're supposed to stink when you go,
when you go work hard all day.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
If you the only thing I say about you is
you you work hard today.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
That's all I say about you.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
If you if you're gonna smell, that means you you
ain't been working hard.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
That's all the meanings. Yeah, bro, swear I wish you
would have just I wish you would have liked, Bro.
I told him, Bro, like we could just talk to them.

(37:51):
I already know who to talk to, Bro, Like, we
could just make this just later.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Your boy getting bad advice with some people, people like
you ran a lot of bad advice sometimes.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
You know, it's like we've worked these cases before, to
be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
When people typically from the beginning and be honest and
tell the truth, it's it's it's not an issue. It's
that we're able to just rectify things and get through
the whole lot either. But when people start lying and
making up stuff and then it just it makes everybody
look like you're.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Trying to hide. That's common sense.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
But that's what I told I told everybody the same thing, like,
but we're just just gonna look bad on us.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
It's like for what, Bro, we don't want that ploy
to help them.

Speaker 8 (38:27):
We ain't even responsible for this, Bro, That's what I
told him, Like, bruh, if it was anything else, Bro,
it was anybody else, and we would have did that.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Who would have took it? Because that's wrong, Bro, that
is wrong. We just supposed to go out like that.
But I was the youngest kid, like out of all
of us, like the youngest one.

Speaker 8 (38:47):
Bro, you weren't supposed to go through that, like it
really were really supposed to teach, but to do ship.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
It's like, damn, bro, I know by family feel in life.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
And they got with it every right to because it's
like I feel like if he weren't even with us,
he probably would have still been alive.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
M Mmm. Just say you. I can say you have
a father. I'm a father.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
You know we have both have kids, and you know.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
There's no love in the world like you have for
your kids.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
They never be I don't care what nobody said, and
no love like that the love you have for your kids.
There's no love like that in the world.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
And I'm no BG used to work up for me, bro.
Well fact, bro his brother used to tell me it
and all like, let me make sure he don't do
nothing stupid like me look up to you.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Oh, Bron, I can't even lie. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I can't even grieve from me. I'm over here scared.
Everybody's just scared. Like we don't even know how to feel, bro.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Like it's just so.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
See see stuff like this is why it's difficult for
me to believe you.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
You see what's on my phone. I don't know, but
all I see is me and my little brother. Man.
You see that this is right here, Bro. I named
my son after him, him brother. This nigga died in
front of my face too. And you see who else
with y'all too. I don't know where that is. You
know that's off your I G. That's Benji. That's the
guy who you bro.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
I'm telling you that's not my g. If you can
put me to that, if you link you to the account,
then all right.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
This this is from your This is not this is
from here, this is this is this is Benji.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
This is the guy that was shooting Benjamin. That's just
not that has nothing to do with me.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
This is the guy that was in the backseat of
your car shooting Benjamin Correz.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
We got bro the gun when we went up to
last Wednesday. I don't know if you heard about that.
I know I know he had the gun. We got
the gun that was used. It was a silver gun
with a black grip on it. It was a nine milimeter.
We have that gun. It was Benjamin gun, the same
guy you went here is the guy that got out
of the backseat in your car. I don't know why
you're lying about it. If you didn't pull the trigger,

(40:53):
why you lied about it?

Speaker 4 (40:55):
You ain't we got the gun.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
But if you, then y'all do y'all because that's not
I don't. I can't do that. Why would I do that?
You see it? You see us because you're saying you're
telling the truth, and you're saying you're trying to tell
you the truth.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
From my side, I'm telling you my truth. I'm telling
you my perspective on what me and everybody around this
we are all innocent. You see. It's the truth.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I tell you the truth about the whole situation, not
about someone dying, but about the reason why he died,
and it was a accident. There's only one truth though
I understand, yes, I understand that, mos, yes, but.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
There's only one truth what actually happened.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yes, but I'm telling you it's everything, like bro, you
can see it in front of your face, like it's
not hard, like a jury would realize this is like
it's common sense.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
But why does this say pop out one hundred? I
don't know if that's not your nickname.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
I don't know. My name is Javier. You see my
birth certificate is Vier is a. I don't even have
social media, to be honest with you, probably don't have
it now.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
But this is all you like I got, man, I
gotta zillion pictures of you, all these pictures here.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
I don't know, bro. All I know is all these pictures,
all these I don't I left all that behind, all that,
the sun, everything else.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
I'm not I'm not saying this is you not. It's
a ton of pictures here with you and.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
All. This is your page, This is from your pitch.
This is old. This is from two thousand and.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Eighteen, nineteen twenty twenty. There's a bunch of pictures of
Alan on here, a bunch of pictures of you. There's
a bunch of bits of you on here holding guns,
which I don't really care about.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
I don't know. I don't give. To be honest, I
don't care. I don't care. I'm just saying I don't
give it. I don't care about that, bro. That's that's oh.
I don't careless about all that. That's old. I don't
care about I think, got none to do what that
ain't got none to do?

Speaker 9 (42:45):
What?

Speaker 4 (42:45):
I mean while we're here right now, So I really
don't care. I'm just being honest with you. That ain't me.
I know that. I know that ain't none of that.
But though I know that ain't none of you. That's
not mean. God, that's not mean.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Why you I don't give it that what I mean,
I don't care pure I'm gonna give this is old.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
This ain't got nothing to do with while we're here.
I'm trying to figure out what happened that day. That's
a little better at that. Man, it's a nice guy
who probably it is a nice one. You don't see it.
You don't see a lot of that. Mm hmm, yeah

(43:24):
that's you. I don't know all that, but she's so funny.
I gotta give it to you. Yeah, you got you.
But look what I'm saying, Yeah, ooh, but that was
that's my phone as I'm a cracker. Yeah, that's your
phone and I'm a cracker.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Yeah, I'm white. I'm white as you. Okay, I believe
I know all that stuff, but I ain't even into
that normal.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Yeah but you Yeah, listen, Like I said, this is old.
But my whole point is stuff like this is what
we call valuable evidence. I have pictures of you with
Benjamin Krey, with Benji.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
I ain't gonna Bro, I'm telling you right now, you
don't have listen. I'm telling I'm just asking you.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
A single question were asking you is this, and this
is what puts everything in perspective. Either you knew Benjamin
had a gun or was gonna shoot that day, or
you didn't.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
That's all I'm asking you. Promise you everything. I don't listen.
You're not telling they're not dead, little brother. I did
not know he was gonna show. I did not know
none of that. I did not know he had found him,
none of that. And you gotta understand, I'm not asking
you to tell.

Speaker 6 (44:28):
On him this. We got the gun. The dummy didn't
even throw it away. I know, because Bro's gonna come forward. Really,
I swear on my son's life, I can.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Y'all.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Y'all say your cell phone track, you could track me
going back there and talk to all that.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
But well, you know, as Auntie talked too much. Janette
she allowed almost dumb. She said, y'all you and she
said you and Chico Black.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Were up there, came to talk about this. We all
told him. I bring you tripping. I got kids, like, bro,
And what did he say to you? What did Benjamin
say to you? He said, Bro, I don't know. I
just can't. I don't want to do it. I mean,
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
I'm talking about what Chiko Black said to me where
he was like, I told him, not Bro, I got kids.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Bro, you can't, we can't. We gotta go tell Black
didn't shoot though. I know that.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I'm telling you. I don't know why you I'm telling you.
I'm telling you what I told you. Go Black, I
told you Black like bro. We got to go talk
to him.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
We Benjamin had the gun. We recovered the gun. I
don't know about that, man.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Yeah, we got We was up in Oki Chobe.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
We got the gun and we got that that little
twenty two rifle that.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
He had too.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
We got both of the guns that he had, the
same type ammunition cases that were at the scene. Is
the bullet that was found in the back seat of
your car. We went up there, we found a gun.
We recovered it. You're not telling me anything.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
What's important to us, And what's important to understand is
I said, you know, Benjamin had a gun and he
was gonna shoot?

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Or you did not? Did?

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Nah?

Speaker 4 (45:54):
Not anybody else in that car knows what did not?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Because if that was the case, we would have just
put up and did something like if we had a
problem with anybody else, there's already a.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Firearm in the car. Why didn't we just you feel me?
But it was not that situation, like we was not
even doing that. Why did you drop Benjamin off before
you went to the hospital? Huh? Why did you drop
him off before you went back to the hospital?

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Would you want that in your car? What would you
would have done? I don't want to get away from everybody.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
As fast as possible, But you don't think that it
was more important to get emergency medical attention for your
friend and I did. Did you take Benjamin back? Noamn? Okay,
you see me this on camera.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Stayed at my sister, you telling you because I got
your phone? Why did you throw your phone away?

Speaker 4 (46:43):
I got scared.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I ain't throw the way it fell off my boss chuck,
but I ain't gonna allow I was thinking about it.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
We can't, I mean, where's the phone? Are now? What?
We just got the record? We can't. We can't do
that now. Y'all see on TV. Y'all think we can
do We can't do that, t be having people brain white.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, I know, but I don't think it's at my
brother house. Pretty sure, but they fell off my boss bro.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
I am, oh no, but Doc can still go through it. Probably.
I don't want to go through their phone. Why you lie?
Let me? Why you lie? You know they call you
pop up? Why you lying about? That's not me. I
don't know what you're talking about. Maybe that used to
be you. I promise you that was not me. They
call me JB back in the day.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, they call you what JB, JB or j D
JB like Javier Benitez my initials j Javier Benitez.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
Okay, they call you JB. They don't call you j D.
The fucking is my name Javier? They need to so
they call you JB. Let me ask you this. Who
phone them? Is this?

Speaker 2 (47:48):
So?

Speaker 4 (47:48):
Listen?

Speaker 3 (47:48):
I'm I'm I got this To be honest with you.
I believe a lot of what you're saying, not what
you're saying. What you're saying now, what you're saying that
makes sense. What you're saying now makes a lot more
sense than that. She told me the first time.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
I talked to you. I'm just being honest with you.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Now it kind of makes sense now, I'm really now,
I really want to know about.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
This whole back situation and all that, because you, like
you said, I don't see nobody get to get out
of the car with a back.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
When we talked to the old lady that was standing
in the window, she said that she saw she.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Said, I saw a machete on the ground.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
But the problem is the lady said she saw the
guy that you that were with you beating up the
guy that was over there.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, that would beat them up. What would you would
have done? Somebody come at you swinging first? Though at
first we had under control. I ain't gonna lie to you,
was whooping up. But then that's when you feel me,
Bro blown out.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I didn't even see them matchete. I'm watching the bat
the whole time. I'm thinking, that's the only day you
feel me. I'm just you feel me. That's all I
was doing.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
You feel me? After that, that's when I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Everybody was already clearing it. And that's when Bro ran.
I don't know why you ran. He should have just
kept walking whatever. He would have beat there once again
if he would have tried to when that.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
I don't know, man, So is Benjamin willing to Are
you sure he's willing to tell the truth to get
all y'all from up under this? Because I mean he's
a shooter. I mean you slam. I don't know that
kind of slam. We know Kristin big, but he thick,
he kind of swollen, so he we know, we know Benji.
You know how many times we done dealt with that dude.

(49:22):
I don't know, bro.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I'm telling you my truth from my side and our
tools already, but we are innocent. I me, Bro, I
didn't have nothing to do with this. This was not
for horse from any of it like, this.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
Was not a horse, but this was not man. Who's
whose phone numbers? Mm hmm? Sure girl, that's Brenda's Brenda
di is? You don't know your own girl number? That's
a number. I don't know your mom numbers? Sure, mo,

(50:01):
I don't remember numbers. I ain't gonna because I ever
got a phone. How long have you been breaking they
bring to the is? Yeah, I don't know. We'll be
on to know. That's that's your moms. I don't know.
I don't know, man, I don't know numbers. I know
I can, Yeah, you call her, I'll tell you if

(50:21):
that's here. How come? Let me ask you.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
How come when we did a search one for this
Instagram account under the vanity name, that pop Out came
back with all your message in history and pictures and
all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
I don't know. Did you used to go by pop Out?
Then you start calling you JB?

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Nobody even more the like probably the closest people like
my mom called me JB.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
Not no, like, don't call me JB. You see where
that is? You see where that? You see what G?
Youmail address? That something? How have you ever been eat
ismail dot com? That's for the I G account.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
You know that's your Gmail address because that's the same
one Probation got for you.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
I don't know that's what Probation got. I don't know
gave him. I'm pretty sure. Here Benita at iCloud dot com, Yeah,
that's your I cloud. I'm talking about that. I only
use that.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
That's you and Alan right there, not in nine percent
of these pictures in here for you.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
This is your just side the top of that car.
You're just saying you understood when that regional rights. It
is just and that's just that's just a statute that
we got the warrant for after this.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Yeah, I'm just taking color, also working with COSI.

Speaker 10 (51:49):
Right straight, Yeah, so I'm working something completely unrelated, all right.

Speaker 11 (51:57):
And the thing is your name has been coming up
a little bit.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
I want to see if you can clear some up
for me. All right? Did you you ever live in
Pickwick Park? Pick Yeah?

Speaker 11 (52:08):
No, you live in Casa de Monte at all.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
No.

Speaker 11 (52:14):
Did your brother Edgar.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Live in there? Hell? No? Mm hmm.

Speaker 11 (52:20):
How do you know or what's your relationship with Brandon Shanks?

Speaker 4 (52:25):
Brandon Shanks, I don't know who it is.

Speaker 10 (52:28):
You don't know who it is, Mario Shanks, Brandon Shanks
the live in Pickwick.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
You show me a picture, Bob anything. I don't be like,
I don't Brandon Shanks.

Speaker 11 (52:42):
That don't even sound like okay, do you I was
listening to this interview earlier.

Speaker 10 (52:48):
You know Alan though, Alan Dumas. Okay, how long have
you guys been boys?

Speaker 4 (52:52):
I like a year or two? Oh that's it? Yeah,
I just met him, Like, no, I don't know, I
probably say like two year, two years Okay, so you
guys didn't like grow up these kids. I grew up
in lake Wood.

Speaker 10 (53:05):
He grew up in like like down here, so you're
from like the city, like.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
A street street.

Speaker 10 (53:13):
Okay, all right, you know Rose the last was you
know that name? You ever hear anything about her getting
shot Pickwick?

Speaker 4 (53:28):
That's what's getting I don't know pick my dog this day.

Speaker 10 (53:31):
I'm just trying to see, I'm trying to figure it out.
I'm just trying to see if anybody's got an I'm
pretty much talking to everybody.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
The only thing I related to going to pickwock for
it probably for Oliver, that's the case that like, that's
my dog, he stayed there. But other than that, on Oliver,
is that the campus Campbell.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
That's what he says that him I grew up with,
Like he really used to live in lake with me.
But that's probably the long time I bought on there.

Speaker 11 (53:55):
So if you go to Pickwick, it's just a yeah, yeah,
is he on the east out of the west side.
You don't need to tell me which house.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
I'm just curious.

Speaker 9 (54:04):
It's like I don't I don't know what east west.
Oh we had the west side side. Okay, So there's
that section on the east side. It has a shuffle
board court like the basketball or the parking lin.

Speaker 11 (54:17):
I don't even I don't think it's.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
A basketball court, but it has like the clubhouse.

Speaker 11 (54:19):
And yeah, right, did you hear anything like on the
street or about her getting shot? Anything about that?

Speaker 4 (54:26):
I don't even know you're talking about. No, but no,
I don't know about a girl getting shot.

Speaker 11 (54:30):
Hell yeah, okay, you ever sell her anything like drugs
or anything like that?

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Why she said, that's the drugs? No, she said, show
held a picture of me? Is asking?

Speaker 10 (54:48):
So okay, so back back in April in twenty twenty one,
that was when that was when she got shot end
of April.

Speaker 11 (54:56):
It went end of April April twenty six to be exact.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
But it was working.

Speaker 11 (55:06):
And the other detective asked you that seven seven nine number,
seven seven nine?

Speaker 4 (55:12):
What is it? Yeah, that wasn't your phone number? No.
Seven seven nine. No, he ain't ask me that. You can't.
I'm pretty sure I would have known every phone number
I had, Like, right, okay, So I did.

Speaker 10 (55:31):
I did a warrant on that on that number, and
what the warrant shows me is the location of that
person or the location of that phone, and it shows
me everybody who contacted them and who they contacted and
I and I've already looked at the location data on
it and it wasn't at the scene during the shooting,

(55:51):
so I already know that. So that's why I'm kind
of curious why you're saying that that phone number is
not yours.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
It's not because all the.

Speaker 11 (56:00):
Call logs in there or to you know, you know Brenda, right, Yeah,
that's your girlfriend, right, yeah, Brian, that was the.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Dude that got I just got shot. Right, those phone
go to that. That's your sister, Kada?

Speaker 5 (56:18):
Is that is that?

Speaker 4 (56:19):
Is that her name?

Speaker 11 (56:20):
Kata something beneath us?

Speaker 4 (56:21):
Kada Benita's Kayla? Oh I got yeah, a little sister.
She's like six.

Speaker 11 (56:29):
You know, numbers by heart or you just saying the
color All right, it's got your mom's number in there, Karna.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
I'm telling you I had a number, I would have
known it.

Speaker 10 (56:48):
So that number is all I know that you used
to go by pop Out, not anymore your social media.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
That's not that's not me, Bro, I don't know no
pop out.

Speaker 11 (56:57):
Well, he just showed you the insta, the instagram more
of pop Out, which is yours.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
No, that's not mean. I mean I'm er. Yeah, my
name is well, it's called a vanity name.

Speaker 11 (57:08):
I know it's not you, but that's what's your Instagram handle.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Not really, I don't even have Instagram. Come on, man,
I'm being real with you, like I'm being dead ahead.

Speaker 11 (57:22):
But he just showed you the Instagram all your pictures
and everything is your account.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
That's not mine, Okay, I mean, well, my thing is
I already know that you weren't You weren't there during
the shooting, right, but I know that this say I
had something to do with this.

Speaker 10 (57:40):
Oh, I'm trying to figure out what's going on because
I know the seven seven nine number was your number.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
I already know that.

Speaker 11 (57:45):
I've already confirmed that, and I know that seven seven
nine number.

Speaker 10 (57:49):
Was communicating with rose Velasquez and set up to meet
at Pickwick Park to buy to sell one hundred dollars
worth of I don't care about the drugs. And I
know that that person seven seventy nine, who if identified
as your phone, didn't go there, so I know that
person didn't pull the trigger, and they that person might

(58:10):
not even known.

Speaker 11 (58:11):
Anything about it. That's why I'm trying to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
I'm telling you right now, I don't know what you're
talking about, but that I don't know. That does sound
like I don't know if you said this is like
truth in it. I don't know, but I'm telling you,
I don't know what you're talking about. Seven seventy nine,
I don't know that don't even like I'm pretty sure
I would remember every number I have, and I don't.
That wouldn't come to mind, like six one, seven seven nine, Like, no, bro,

(58:36):
every number I have with like six one, ninety seven
one or seven eight one.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
You feel me, like, I know I remember all this well.

Speaker 10 (58:43):
The registered name on it comes back to a pop out,
the IP address comes back to common areas that you frequent.
The people that that phone number contacts is your sister,
your mom, your girlfriend, your boys. So I say that
seems a little little strange.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
Yeah, I understand, right that probably I don't know and
that person.

Speaker 10 (59:06):
I mean, because see, in my mind, I'm trying, I'm
trying to put all the pieces together. So if this,
if this number did in fact belong to you, right,
let's just say hypothetically, I mean, I know it did,
but if it did, and you're denying very simple things
like that when I already know you weren't at the scene.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
That makes me think you have something something. I mean,
I would tell you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
But it's like I'm just like I said, like I
told the officer before you came in here, I don't
want nothing to do with nothing if I had nothing
to do with it, like I said, well, I'm not
to have a kid, like I said, hey me listen
to I'm a father first before anything. I do not
care what nobody got going on. I'm gonna raise my son,
and I don't know what you got. I don't know,

(59:50):
I don't know nothing, like I told the lad about.
All I know is about myself, and I know I did.
I'm responsible for what I did right now. If I
did something, I would have been responsible for it. I'm
telling you that right now. Anything other else like all
that trying to get information out of me, I don't know.
I'm not asking you to speak upon other people.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
I know. I'm not telling you. I'm just telling you that.
I'm just telling you because I'm just I'm gonna just
keep it behind it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
But I'm not like I said, bro, I like I'm
responsible for myself anybody else, I'm just leave at.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
To dem that's not me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I don't care what talking about the number that I
don't know of. I promise you I don't know of that.
Someone probably could have done that, yes, but I don't know.
It's probably what you just said talking about call somebody
trying to buy drugs or whatever you just said, somebody possibly,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
But me, I don't remember that, and I don't have
no part taking that. I don't know that ain't me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
All I know is I'm responsible for myself, and I
know if it was me, like I said on everything
I love on my son life, because it's not something.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
I stand for. I would take responsibility for anything I do.

Speaker 11 (01:00:55):
But you're not even taking responsibility for your own phone number.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Because I don't know us stuff to believe that. No, No,
because it's like you're not making those sense they hear
yourself fam like I don't. I'm telling you, I'm being
honest with you. I don't know this number.

Speaker 10 (01:01:08):
I don't remember this number. But I'm making sense though.
I mean the phone number was registered to like a
name you go by. Every contact in that number is
somebody somebody close to you. But I don't know the locations.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
If you show me the phone, if I can't get
like you, can you feel me? Then yeah, I don't.

Speaker 11 (01:01:26):
I don't have the physical phone.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
How is it my phone?

Speaker 10 (01:01:30):
We get a phone number, right, We write the warrant
on the phone number to the provider the AT and
t AT and t sends all of the phone's data
to us. I don't need a physical phone to find
out that where the phone's been, who the phone comes
in contact with, it communicates with the tower.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Okay, but now I'm telling you if I would have
remembered seven, seven, nine, because those are the first three numbers,
I would like, like any phone number I get the
second first three, you feel me, I gotta remember like
any other number I have, I probably would have remembered.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
I had a bunch of phones, and it's like I
get like you fliem me. All my phones get took
or get lost or on you flim me broke. I
don't know what I probably could have had.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
I don't know. If I don't know, what kind of
phones did you have? Then? iPhones, androids whatever?

Speaker 11 (01:02:18):
Like thirteen's six is seven?

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
Like the most probably was like an eight. Yeah, do
you have an iPhone seven? I have a bunch of
iPhone sevens.

Speaker 10 (01:02:32):
This I had an iPhone seven before in this case,
let me ask you this. So like for me, I
have one phone. I ride with that phone until.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
I break it.

Speaker 11 (01:02:42):
Why why would you have so many phones?

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Look at my rap sheet. You know how much bones
y'all done took from me? Is that I don't really
have much of a choice to actually say, can I
keep my phone?

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
Y'all gonna say nah, no said, I have nothing to
do with this this investigation, And I'm just giving you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
I'm just giving you an example how my phones can
but I can't get new phones on reasons why I can.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Get new phones. And it's like every week I go
to work. Look at me, my last phone it got
broke off the truck.

Speaker 11 (01:03:11):
I have another situation.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Okay, then you don't exactly You just want to know
what your party is. I'm telling you right now, I
don't got nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
To do with it.

Speaker 10 (01:03:17):
Well, I'm as we investigated. It's just like the other
detectives doing this. We put all the pieces together, and
all the pieces are indicating that this phone number belongs
to you. That's that's why I'm asking. It probably could
have no capped because I had a lot of phones.
But I'm telling you I don't remember that though I
would have remembered the number. I most definitely would have
my son.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
I would have remembered the number the first three digits. Yes,
I would have remembered.

Speaker 11 (01:03:43):
So, and you're saying you don't go by the name
pop Out and you never and you never have.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
I ain't gonna say all that because now I understand that.
But I used to.

Speaker 11 (01:03:54):
Okay, but but now people just refer to you as JB.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
That was That's like I said, that's some family. That's
something like you feel me? That ain't that ain't nothing
people call me on the day.

Speaker 11 (01:04:06):
To day base Would that be something that a non
family member would call you?

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
M I just told you that.

Speaker 11 (01:04:15):
All right, Well, I'm asking because my victim said JB.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
And his boys try to rob me j B. JB
put it on your life. You heard j j D.
It's actually but that could be that could be man,
Oh yeah, yeah, yes, I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Yeah, most death it sounds similar, yeah, most death and no, Bro,
I'm telling you, no, show my face.

Speaker 11 (01:04:43):
I've already established that you weren't there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Yeah, that's why I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
That's why I'm saying I don't understand, because that's why
I don't understand.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
Then exactly, I don't know. I don't know, fam, I
can't tell you like I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:05:03):
Crazy though, let me see access to Dave to show
you a picture of Brandon.

Speaker 11 (01:05:08):
You said you never met him, maybe, but maybe he
goes by something different.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
I don't know, bro I would have I know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
People would tell me their first names. I wouldn't know
nobody named Brandon. That sounds no offense, that sounds why,
like I wouldn't even hang around with nobody like that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Not no, not not just off the name, but Brandon.
Come on, Brandon, and still I.

Speaker 11 (01:05:30):
Was hill one on formula.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
But no, I promise you, I don't know Brandon. Know
what Rosa Rose? Ro Rose?

Speaker 11 (01:05:42):
And you never heard anything about that? And if you
went to Pickwick it would only be to see my
brother yeah camp post right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
But like I said, if I had something to do
with anything, I would be responsible and I would tell
you what happened in that situation because I'm a father
first before anything. But I'm responsible for myself. I don't
know about anybody else.

Speaker 11 (01:06:04):
You seem convincing, but you know, you gotta you gotta
realize in our job of people.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
I understand that I'm just telling y'all. I understand that
I'm just telling you the truth from my perspective, But
I ain't got no reason to ide, no reason to lie.

Speaker 10 (01:06:17):
So my thing is, obviously I'm just getting started because
I just found out who you are just recently.

Speaker 11 (01:06:24):
If I continue to dig on this, for sure that
this isn't gonna belong to you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
I mean, I don't know. I'm telling you right now,
but I don't remember. It probably could have if he's
saying it is my on it and you're saying this
my peoples on it more, I don't know. It probably
could have. But I'm telling you right now. I had
a lot of phones, and it's like you can look it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Up on your record, but how many the phones out
and took like all my cases, y'all took a phone
from me.

Speaker 10 (01:06:44):
All right, let me let me just read you this
conversation that that phone number had with my victim, and
let me know if it sounds like you at all.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
All right, she.

Speaker 11 (01:06:56):
Starts off, says hey, or she says it's me, he rose,
I need you to from you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Yo.

Speaker 11 (01:07:01):
This is her again, Yo, why messed up?

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
I need from you? What's up?

Speaker 11 (01:07:05):
I need one hundred.

Speaker 10 (01:07:07):
That phone number says, okay, wait till I get off work.
I'm gonna go home now. And she says, okay, I'm serious,
one hundred dollars.

Speaker 11 (01:07:15):
You need to be for real. Okay, no games please.
That phone number says, okay, baby, I'm gonna bless you
since you were.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:07:26):
Fast forward to right before she gets shot. All right,
right before she gets shot, that phone number says to her,
I'm right around the corner. I'm at the sherwood light.
She says, thanks, meet me under the tree.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (01:07:41):
That phone number or she says again, baby, I'm still waiting.
That phone number says at twenty forty three hours right here,
she goes where and then that phone number says, I
can't see you. I'm at the playground. She goes, I'm
under the tree. I'm at the playground. That phone number says, okay.
That last communication was at twenty forty five hours. Shortly

(01:08:01):
after that, she was shot at that spot. Yeah, I
don't know, and I know because I've done the you know,
I'm not I'm not bols and like this is these
are just this is just the material that I got.
I know that that phone wasn't there, But everything about

(01:08:21):
this phone is saying it's yours. Yeah, can you make
sense of that at all?

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
For me?

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
I can, Yeah, i't tell you. I can tell you
I don't remember the number. I don't know if you
show me the phone and it's like.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
I don't have the phone.

Speaker 10 (01:08:35):
I told you how the only only as the number
it was registered to a pop out pop out iCloud
account which I'm about to write on is another pop out.
And everybody in the call log is somebody close to you.
And the locations are locations that you frequent. Now, I
haven't completely searched every location to find out everything about
you to try to put you at all these locations.

Speaker 11 (01:08:56):
I haven't done that yet.

Speaker 10 (01:08:58):
I just had an opportunity to speak with you because
this case, that's why I wanted to reach out to
you first and afford you that have that opportunity.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
Yeah, I'll tell you that probably could have been my phone.
A lot of phone was like probably could have been,
but you don't recall.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Even if I don't, I wouldn't know how like that
would even like you let me take place?

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
I don't know what do you mean? Like? How would
like that makes sense? What part you said? What what
I read to you?

Speaker 11 (01:09:30):
That part doesn't make sense.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
If I wasn't there, then what was.

Speaker 10 (01:09:34):
I I don't know showing there in the area of
like cost Monte. Is why I asked if you live
up there? It got ties up there. You could say
you could have been at the boiler Tropical for all
I know. All I know is the phone wasn't at
the scene of the shoot. So I'm not worried about
you pulling the trigger. I'm wondering what your connection is.

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
With Rose and.

Speaker 11 (01:09:54):
God forbid if you told somebody to go there and
pick pick up the ship.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
I don't know, man, if you like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
It would have made sense to me already, like I
would have known names and numbers, like I don't know
what you're talking about. You're talking about a Brandon and
then a Rose that's just her nephew. Oh, I don't
know exactly, That's what I'm saying. I would have known Bron.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
I wouldn't known much like that. Bro. I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:10:19):
Let's see if I can get a picture of him
maybe maybe you recognize them.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
If not, then no big deal.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
All right, m.

Speaker 9 (01:10:41):
M.

Speaker 11 (01:10:46):
This is from twenty twenty, so obviously.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
Or whatever, you don't know that ye look like somebody
I know living Pickwick.

Speaker 11 (01:11:00):
You never met him, so when I go talk to him,
he's not gonna know you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 11 (01:11:06):
I don't mean like, go ahead, you don't go ahead
tell them, Okay, I don't know. I'm gonna have my ask, yeah, M.
So just let you know where I'm at. Like I said,
I got to continue to keep looking now, because now I.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
Did.

Speaker 10 (01:11:27):
I did right on your Instagram account, your old one,
the pictures and messages from that one that he showed you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
I think was like, what do you say that was?
That was before the shooting, before the shooting that I'm investigating.

Speaker 10 (01:11:43):
I did get a warrant for your Instagram account for
my time frame, so I just want to afford you
the opportunity.

Speaker 11 (01:11:50):
There's nothing in there that's gonna say anything about Rose or.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
About shooting and Pickwick. You go ahead, I said, no.

Speaker 10 (01:11:58):
I mean if I knew about a shot shot and
I sent messages about I would know if I sent messages.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
You know what I mean. I will meet you. You
wouldn't know if you sent a message about a shooting.
That's that's common. Oh oh we're sang what I oh, No,
I would have known, yeah, most depth. But what I
didn't know?

Speaker 11 (01:12:15):
You're saying for sure or not?

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
Yeah? Okay, appreciate your time. Man, you get your bag
and come out. Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
If you call somebody that just leave the number one
you take to get your futures for the fact is
secondly we murder and violation approbation.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
But you know I'm innocent. That's the thing I want
to tell you, like right, you know I'm innocent, and
you know I have a son. Listen, I'm not trying
to hear nothing because I didn't do nothing. Oh I
don't care what you said. I did not kill nobody.
I didn't do nothing to nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
But I got a son. And you know that. You
want to talk to me and tell the truth or not,
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
I'm telling you I don't want to talk to you.
I would to take me to jail, but you did
your job. You just charge me for what you chalked
me for. What with my family depended on me. I
got another kid on the way. You're gonna waste my time.

Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
My family need me, Bro, and he gonna do it
like I'm the one to blame. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
I told you I tried to help you. Bro, This's
why they don't want to talk to you, because look
what you're doing living it on me.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
How did I blind? I helped you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
I showed you I had I did not pull no trigger.
I drove him to the host throw after the fact.
I did not have no plans on doing none of this.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
No, Bro, I don't care because it is like, Bro,
you wasting my time. I got a six month old son.
You don't care. Obviously he's gonna look at you. D
y'all are responsible.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Oh I don't know where you like. But I told
you my truth. I told everybody around my circle to
tell the truth, and we did.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Well. I'm the wonderfools. I'm the one who throw the truth.
And you noticed my help.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
You put this throwing together, bron, You over here trying
to take my life for my life. But I got
a son, a second one on the way, and you
think it's okay. BD was like, oh, how did I lie?
I told you with what happened?

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
How how First of all, he's not even my charge.
I didn't write this up. Hey, this is not even
my case. I'm assisting. I'm assistant on the case. For
you blaming me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
This is not even my no, bro, because you know
I'm innocent and you know I had nothing to do
with it. So how am I brong? Did I put
any trigger? I kill anybody? Did I drive him to
the hospital? I the woman drove him to the hospital.
How did I iither one to blame? I get charged?
I drove him to the hospital.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
Bro, what the I got a sign?

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Bro? I'm not even like y'all picked me up from work.
Y'all see, I'm trying to move. I'm trying to separate myself.
I'm over here and give my life together.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
Bro. But y'all want to with me. No, like I
bad something. Bro, I didn't do anything under any any case.
I didn't have nothing to do with it. Y'all have
all the information y'all need, But y'all still want to
I want to talk to me. Finish your food so
they can take you where you gotta go. I'm done, Bro,
I'm done. Take me to jail. Bro, you're taking the

(01:15:09):
jail because this gold I'm oh, I ain't tripping off.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
We understand when you let me use this, it's never
your fault, and you have whatever if you don't you know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
What happened, Bro, I told you exactly what happened. You
know you did disrespect me because you know I have
a son and you know I'm innocent and you know
I ain't had nothing to do it this bad, and
you still gonna throw something on me, bro that you
did you did, Bro. I'm sorry, Bro, It's just I'm innocent. Bro,
I really am. BRO.

Speaker 12 (01:15:44):
Y'all know this, Bro, But y'all want to my life now?
I'm FINEIH set up here? What trying to fight this
game that I know I'm innocent and doing dead time
of my family need me, Bro? And you think no,
I don't talking about I don't want.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
To hear from you, Brock. Is you the reason why
I'm in this place. I'm trying to you would help you.
I'm trying to talk to you and help you, and
you gonna blumb.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
Me back here. I knew he was gonna flipp it
on me. I knew he was gonna flipping on me.
That's why that's why we ain't never want to talk
to no police because y'all like the people. Y'all flipping
on people? From what.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Did I do?

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
What did I do? Please tell me?

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
What did I do?

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
You transport him? Please tell me that we flipped it
on him?

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Did I do that?

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
It's not even my case, but I flipped it on,
not even my case.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
I didn't even write me after David, but left it
on when all they did was lie all the whole
lifer You, Benji and Aliba all getting the rested.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
How did we lie exactly?

Speaker 6 (01:16:44):
You hadn't?

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
I showed you. I'm the one who put this all
togetheret for you. Don't stop page. I was here. You
told me this your soul. You told me this yourself.
Why are you lying? But I got a family bring you?

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Yeah, y'all went over there. You lied about No, I didn't.
I don't care what I'm telling you and you and
what I said, you know it matched the story. But
you know everything happened right in exactly how I said it.
Well for what from what I understand. The guy who's
case this is my name, my name is.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
Not even on the rest report.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
He wrote it up everything that you said. He presented
it to the prosecutor and present because you had something
to do with this.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
This is not a one man team. This is not
a one man team. You had to say so over this,
and you knew you should have told him, like, but
this kid is innocent this this kid tried to save
his life. Did you see me pull a gun out
on anybody? Did you see me if you drove it
to drop Benji? O? No, I did not. You dropped
Benji out before you even okay?

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Would you want to shoot her in your car? Would
you want to kill her in your car? Would you
want anybody? Would you want to kill her in your car?
You yourself? Just hear yourself?

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
Do you realize what you just said? That's successory after
the fact, that's not If I try to get away
from the problem, you drop anything. I'm trying to avoid everything,
drove him away, you got him out of the car,
and you lie. No I did not.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
I tried to exclude myself from every single thing, and
I tried everything, and I told you the truth, and
you still looking up here and make it seem like
it's my true.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
Bo I told you you stopped playing. Bro. You like
the line, Bro, I'm not even go with you. What
did I do? What did I do?

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
I have never been responsible for anything in your life.
When you sound dumbest, it's like, bro, did you hear
yourself everything you do? When did I ever run?

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
When did you see me run? When did I ever do?

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Car?

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
I came to you and told you, Bro, I told
you what happened. You did not Without me, you wouldn't
have known. And that's on what happened? How did it
happen like video? But exactly? And why did you guys
still come to me? Then?

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Why didn't you just arrest me if it was on video?
Because you didn't know what happened? Because you didn't know
because you're green. Bro, that's like I got a kid,
But it's like I got a son and.

Speaker 4 (01:18:59):
You know I'm anting. Did you see me put any trigger? No?

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Yes, I left because I didn't want nothing to know.
I don't want nobody around and round me away for
the scene. So you want I'm sposed to just yeah,
let's go have a beer, let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
You just did something. No, I'm gonna get away from you.
I don't want nothing to do with this. What is
Benji's fault? So then why is you exactly exactly? Why
are you baby me yourself? But if it's it's about
why are you guys blame it?

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Be?

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
I gotta a second one all your way, bro. You
see now you're talking to him.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Why are you're talking If you know who's fault? It
is the way you're gonna waste my time and my
family's time. I didn't do nothing accessory to what what
did you see me?

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
Benji? After he killed Brian. I didn't assist him. I
just took him. I took him out of my car
and get out. Would you want anybody like that in
your car? I'm supposed to drive everywhere either after the
fact that happened, and then you lied and said your
friend Alan and all this other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
I promise you and you can get asking yourself. We
were just trying to buy time and you could see
you you know yourself. I went myself. I went on
controlling myself. I tried to convince it the talent to
turn stuff. You know this, bro, You know that that
was up to Benji.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
It was up to you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
It's a police fault, right, It's always our fault because
it's like bro, y'all, obviously you got to do your job,
but it's certain ways to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
And you know I have nothing to do with it.
I presented this case, was presented to a judge. I
didn't just arrest you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
I said, this is what Haber said, everything exactly. And
you can't know that this kid had nothing to do
with this. Y'a shouldn't even waste your time arresting him.
I don't family.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
This is my first time. This is the first day
on a job that I just got. That's how y'all
embarrassed me, Bron, That's what we were going.

Speaker 13 (01:20:49):
I'm gonna do their time for what my son, but
my son depending on me, my mama, depending on me,
my little brother, depending on my family would have exactly,
and not of self I can do.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
Listen to his stem me was I was the reason
he's dead? Am I the reason he's dead? I'm responsible?
How am I respond to that? Car? Would responsible? You see?
But you don't want to say the truth. But you
know the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
You know I'm not responsible for none of this. If anything,
I tried to help him out. Bro, Why do you
keep playing dumb?

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
You know what I did?

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Did I what your concern was to get Benji make
my concerned was to get everything away from me. I
didn't And then like, bro, do you want No, it's
not if a killer. Listen, if a killer is not
gonna kill somebody in your car, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
What are you gonna do? Drive him to the like
you're gonna drive him to the Like no, I'm gonna
get you out of my car and let me help
this person with his life and about it. And because
look what you're doing. Why do you look what you're doing?
Look look on that for talking to you? Thanks, just
like yeah, everything, how are you here for talking?

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Because it's like, I'm not gonna do this and that
person who's responsible was gonna take responsibility.

Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
Win.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
Oh y'all just sitting up here just want to make
stuff up. But you know I'm innocent, me and Oliver.
You know, we drove him to the hospital. Oliver stayed
in the hospital winning. But we got these kids going
to school, were trying to focus on school. I'm focused
on all my life.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
I got work to do.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Now you're trying to focus that Brian's dead and you
gotta know what Ask yourself, bro, ask my pill.

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
I've been doing this, I've been going to work and
it's okay. Do you hear yourself? For you just want
to make me like the bad guy so bad? What
might I do to you? I did nothing to you.
I did nothing to you. You know, why would I
have something?

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
You know, my family depending on me. You seeing my house.
This is not personal sing that but like that's green by.
But you know, brid you know I'm innocent doing this.
Nothing I told you because look where I'm at now.
This is why nobody wants to talk to no police
because some way y'all y'all just want to be the

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case and flipping on somebody and just say somebody is dissuspect.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
That's all. It's amazing that I've been doing this a
long time. You're the first person ever told me that
that's a lie. Yeah, that's a lie. Yeah it is bro.
It's like, bro, you know I'm innocent. That's what it's like.
It just it just didn't be so mad because it's
like I'm the game exactly? What do? What do you do?
Your mind? Are you happy? You're happy that I'm locked up?

(01:23:27):
You're happy that my family is not gonna?

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
Mind in your mind?

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
How am I? How am I wrong? How am I wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
I told them to get out my car, get out
my car? About why y'all ran the trade apart looking
for bad money.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
I bet on my life, on my son's life. Ask
my mom, asked my girlfriend.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
You know, why would I lie about something like that
you or somebody hit in your car or something?

Speaker 6 (01:23:53):
Ask them?

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
Why are you like you asking those wrong person? I
have control. It's not Oh my god, damn like you.
You don't supposed to just weave something out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Think nobody. It's on camera. Y'all know I'm innocent. Bro.
The judge don't believe you, because if you and how
y'all painted it, y'all nobody, it's recorded exactly. And if
it would have just left that I recorded, it would
have been I'm the one who put the pieces together,

(01:24:27):
and you know this. I don't know why you what pieces?

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Why are you lying on video? We know everybody is
in the car. We have the car, We have your
phone records, we have everything.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
So what did you tell us? You know exactly what
I told you that we had nothing to do with it.
You know I didn't. I didn't have no gun. I
wasn't aware of no gun. How is it my fault?

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
I arrested acquaintance? If someone killed somebody in your car.
What is the first thing you're gonna do? Listen, listen, listen, listen.
If someone kill someone in your car, what is the
first thing you want to do? Tell them to get out? Right?

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
Exactly exactly. They're not getting in this car.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
No, But it's like no, if someone you think I'm
gonna drive to the hospital with a killer, and that's
like no, get out of I don't want to do
nothing with nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
I just want to know. But I can't know. That's
not how he's explaining to me.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
How How is that accessory aiding and abtting somebody who
facilitated the crime.

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
That's all accessory. But what was What else am I
supposed to do to get back in your car? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
I did?

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
I did?

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
It's on the camera. Look, he got out and hesitated
to go back in. It's on the camera. See. And
that's the whole point. This is not even my case.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
No, now, it's not your case. Now it's not your case.
You INVESTIGATID one who interrogated me. Now it's not your case.
Yes you do, bro, look at you. You don't flip
it on me. Now my friend's life. Now I'm the fool, bro,
the bro like I didn't do none of this depended

(01:26:04):
on me.

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
Typical right here with society and somebody else's you looking
at him?

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Why don't you explain to me and help me understand
why you were saying in him? No, because it's nothing
to understand. You know you're wrong. You know I'm innocent.
You know if someone was in your car and kill somebody,
you would tell them not to come in or to
get out, or.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
To kick them out. You would do this, right. I
don't hang out with people kill me neither. Like this happened.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Like I was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
And you guys understand this. And I never said it
was your fault. But what is your fault is how
the story was painted out.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
No, I recorded it. That's why I recorded it that way.
People can you lie? And it's like, bro, it's recording
I told you, Like I told you the reason why
I don't even tell the police, because y'all gonna flip
it on me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
Whether you talk to the police or not, that's that's
your business. You have that constitutional who But it's like, bro,
I should have just never said nothing. I'm trying to
help you. You never said I tried I tried to
help you, and I tried to help everybody I care,
and I'm the one that's getting.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
To get blamed. What would that have changed? If you
I help everyone that I can and I'm the one
that's getting blamed. I didn't. Okay, if y'all'll know who
did it? Why are we here?

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Why are you wasting my time? My family, my family
licens to hand on be and all my life. You
should have told him this kid have nowhere abouts. He
didn't know how to go about this situation. So I'm
supposed to just do how to like deal with somebody
who just kills the one that's now I'm finna go
to jail and sit and do dad time waiting on
the kids that I didn't even do.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
I just now got a job today. You feel me
because I got fired because my last one.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Because if you guys and my po y'all keep calling
it all this extra stuff for no reason, telling them, oh,
this kid's a murderer, this kid did did this kid
exact probation officer comes back to the murder investigation? No, man,
it's like still if y'all know where if I tell
your family, I'm sorry. I'm just I'm investigating a murder.
Investigat I got something to do with Evans. How would
they look at you?

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
How? And your car was involved? That's the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
And your car was involved, how would you feel that's
the truth? And how would you feel down? I wouldn't
feel the truth exactly, And I told you the truth.
Why am I getting charge with a bird?

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
That doesn't mean? Bro, what I told him?

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
You say yourself, if you was to get involved in something,
you would tell them to get out your car.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
Or not come back in right if you do something
in my car? I exactly? And I couldn't do that.
He has a gun in his hand. How am I
good at? Like? Do you hear yourself y'all knowing?

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Like you just want to keep He said you didn't
even know Benji, obviously ask yourself like just it's all
in front of your face.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
I didn't. I didn't want to know better. And yes,
I'm going to tell you that I didn't want to
say your stuff. You don't hang around with killers, right, Okay?
Then dumb? Okay? Then I don't. I don't know them
no more than cool. I don't want to know exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
That's what I was trying to say, bro no, I
don't know him. No, I'm not trying to be affiliated
with nobody. Don't put me in no group with nobody,
because I understand by myself, I didn't do nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:29:15):
I tried. I helped everybody to be to be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
I'm gonna be very honest with you, to be honest
with you. The reason this case was worked the way
it was worked because you provided information. You weren't arrested
on the spot. So I turned every everything was recorded,
it was turned over. I said, listen, take this state.
Take this information to the state and have them evaluated.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
From what I understood, that's what happened. I was in
Daytona for the last two But it's like the way
you can put it. I know I've been in cases before.
I know how I forget. It's the way you. You
can't do that. The way you were you could.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
You could have easily been like Hobbyer Oliver never no gunman.
Both individual was tried to save the victim's life.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
I'm pretty sure that's why he put in the affidat. No,
it's not the the hookups. If I decided to save somebody,
charge accessory after the fact.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
From what I understand, But how you said it yourself.
You wouldn't want nobody in your car if something like
that happened.

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
So what did I do?

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Get the fuck out of my car and drove him
to the hospital? What else was I supposed to do?

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
From what I understood? The guy who put the case together,
his name is Detective Roman. Your girlfriend knows him, she
met it. That's the lead investigator. He put the investigation together.
From what I understood, everything that you said, he informed
the prosecutor of it's you can't run away when it's
in it, when it's recorded. I'm not talking about you,

(01:30:51):
I'm talking about I'm talking about the way we do
our job.

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
What stuff is recorded. We can't lie to change stories.
There's nothing you lot about it. But how how am
I wrong? How did I have a contribute to this?
I think I think the problem is you don't have
a full understanding of the law. Now I understand, can
you take these offers? Something? I understand the law, bro
and this I think the problem is you don't understand
the law fully and how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
But if someone if you killed somebody, so then how
are you supposed to go about that situation? If you
said what you said, get up my car. Then that
would mean you're the quintess no better because you told
him right or wrong? Yes, exactly, just answer your own question.

Speaker 4 (01:31:29):
And that's what actually happened. But that didn't happen, and
you know it didn't happen like that. So I, BRO,
do you hear yourself? When I interviewed you the second time,
you said you don't even know Benji bo like bo,
do you hear you answer your own questions?

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
You wouldn't want to be affiliated to nobody if they're
out there doing dump right or wrong?

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
Okay, Then you said I didn't lie, did you said?
You said, if I hang around, if I want, like
I asked you, I even showed you. I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
I don't live by that cold whatever you said something
which one some cold or something you kept talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:32:10):
I don't know, so I don't live by that cold.
Blah blah blah blah blah. You see it. That's what
you put and that's what you see. But I might
have put that in there, and that's what you put.
Bro put that in there. Well, why do like it's
up to you to.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Tell the truth and the truth and looked like it
got me your truth, and look what it got me.

Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
Bro, you said your truth.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Know, I told you exactly, I told you by truth
that I'm innocent, and you know I'm innocent.

Speaker 4 (01:32:34):
Everybody else's truth. You know we're innocent. What truth do
you want to hear? Because it's nothing about It's not
about it's not about your truth. It's about the truth, exactly,
the truth that in the video tells the entire storm.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
It tells and it shows you that I was never
ever I did not plan to kill nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
I did not plan to do none of this. It's
my first degree murder, second degree murder? What is that mean?

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Your second degree? And that first degree first degree is
playing it premeditated. The second is not playing premeditating. You
charged with necessary after the fact, the second degree murdered.
That's what you charged accessory Like I can't even like
do you hear?

Speaker 4 (01:33:16):
You know I'm innocent? Like that's what? Like?

Speaker 5 (01:33:19):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
You know it is so you know I'm it? Is
it so you don't know? I'm innocent? Like? Bro? My
family responsible?

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Get exactly him away and all that stuff that wasn't
responsible for him getting out.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
Bran, you said it yourself. If something happens, you wouldn't
want him in your car.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
I did that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
I throw them get out and then I drove to
the hospital. Bruh, Like you know the truth? Why am
I here, Bron? My family need me, Bro. My son
just turned six months, bro, like it for to grow
without me?

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
And it's like for what? For stuff that I didn't
even do. The's something I tried to help, there's something
I took response to before I did my part. Why
am i year? I did my part? The judge doesn't
agree with you for what though? It's not the judge,
but it's like you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
You you send you sitting here accusing me a person
who's been doing this because I've never gotten in no trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
I've never had no issues. I've never been accused of lion,
I've never been accused of fai. No, you lied, Bro.
You you're the first person in my career that's accused.
Because I incent think about it. That's why I'm reading
thousands of and I'm innocent.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
Never been, never once been in trouble and nothing never once.
And I'm innocent all over this nation. I've never been
accused of anything.

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
You're live, Bro. You lied. You manipulated me. You call
horse me to tell the truth, so you can just
blame it on you. Now you don't want to talk
to me because you know that course people man' that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
Look where I'm at, Bro, This looks cores to me.
Look where I'm at, No, because it's like BENI really yeah,
it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
Bro. I tried to help you, Bro, you know I did.
It's like you're gonna put me here. Bro, it's not
about me. It's no care about my care about my bro.
I don't even know what.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
If I didn't care about your family, I wouldn't get
I wouldn't have got your girl on her car back.
If I didn't care, I wouldn't have got your girl
her car back. I'm the one who got her car back.
I'm the one who gets told them to give.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
Her her car.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
She has kids. If I didn't care, I wouldn't have
did that. I wouldn't say keep the car into the cases.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
And now what she don't have nobody depend on now?
Who got her car back? What she's gonna do? What? Now?
What I want my son gonna do? Now? What my
mom gonna do? That, what my little brother gonna do.
It's personal. No, it's very much personal with me. I'm
the one who got her car. No, it's no, it's
not person jobs. This is want to add your case

(01:36:06):
and do what you get. And that's about it that
you don't give about me or my families. Like look
when I'm do it look like I want to be
responsible for this. Do you like I would ever do
something like this? You liar? A liar, I have a son.
I told you this too. I'm a son before anything.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
I would try to exclude myself out of the situation
before anything like you would do like you would do.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
No, that's what that's an accessory because for Lion.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Yeah, but it's like, bro, I'm a father before anything,
and you should understand that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
Why lie talking about me? You put alands in the car,
which makes him incessery.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
You're talking and me and him, and he'll tell you too,
and we had all that were just buying time. He'll
tell you that to tell you that he could have
went to jail and he and he telled you. He
told you, he said no, I was not there. He
was just all trying to buy time.

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
And you know I drove the trope multiple times, multiple
times trying to talk to BENI I did not lie
about nothing. His mother told me he was you lied
about Alan driving your car. His mama tell you too
that we was just trying to buy time. Go to
that lidea right now.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
I talked today, have some conversation about buying times me
as a type of lady.

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
Oh I'm not bro, It's like, I don't even know
I'm talking to you. Look what this talking to you
got me here? Talking to you didn't get you here?
Yes I did. Talking to you got me here because
I was innocent in that car. So I wasn't inderstand
in that car. No, So so then what did I
do with no? No? No, I don't want to cure

(01:37:47):
my charges.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
I want to hear you saying for yourself with it
I do now, it's not you See you want to
bring up charges, but you don't want to say exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:37:54):
What you drove him away. You made sure that I
made sure, Yes you did. But you see you didn't
call the police and say, hey, my friends, my friend
just shot somebody. Yeah, I jump to the hospital. That's
what I did. I didn't call him my friend, Yeah
I didn't. I don't happened And what happened and that

(01:38:16):
you put up Where was I What did you do?
You didn't have to chase me around? Okay this and
I was gave every time around.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
No, you're lying because with everybody else in any other
money situation like no, that I came to you.

Speaker 4 (01:38:29):
I tried to help you with the information that I
was waiting for you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
I called my PO and I told him. You know
when I mentioned you lied, no, because it's like and
you know, I was trying to buy time and you
know this, that's that's not an accessory.

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
But I know I understand that. But it's like, no, bron,
you should understand why did it listen? Not everything that
you're saying you don't don't. I'm still here. So I'm
supposed so we're supposed to go to the jaidge and say, yeah,
that's multiple times, but we believe in No. But it's
like you can say he lied and they're gonna say
for what? For what reason? That's obviously the question you're

(01:39:07):
trying to find too. What reason?

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
He has a son, he's about to have two, He
doesn't want to do nothing with nobody, no more.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
Yeah, but you committed a client. I did what clime?

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
I didn't kill nobody that when somebody killed somebody in
my car, I told him to get out?

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
What else was I supposed to do? What else? Tell me?
Please tell me what else was I supposed to do?
You know what you see? You don't even know? Bro? Like? Okay,
So then what is I was supposed to do? What
was I supposed to do? What was I supposed to do?
Please tell me what was I was supposed to do?

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
I told him get out my car, responsibility, and then
I drove the kid's life, to the kids to the hospital.

Speaker 4 (01:39:48):
That's what I was supposed to do. That was just
to find to me, that's what came right to my head.
How am I?

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
Like?

Speaker 7 (01:39:55):
How am I wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Yourself? You know I you drove the first thing you
can think about this? Okay, let me get him to
make sure he get away, make sure that he doesn't
get caught.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
If the bro so much just killed your best friend
in front of your face, what are you gonna think?

Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
You wouldn't know what's to think? Right? Yeah? I would exactly.
You don't know who's who, You don't know who's your
friend with and what off? Rip? I didn't know what
he was gonna do to me? Get out. What if
you try to be if you try to cover it
all up, get out, and then you see me come back.
Drove him to the hospital. Why didn't you call the police?
I called my po I called everybody. I was waiting

(01:40:35):
for you guys to talk to me. I went on
your detective's window. I knocked on their window. You know this.
I then tried to talk to you. Well, everything that
you're saying is the truth, and you know it. But
this is the whole point.

Speaker 3 (01:40:51):
They reviewed your statement, and it's like the judge and
the prosecutor reviewed your statement. It's bro listen, let me
and this is how this works. How when we take
statements from people, we record them for a reason so
nobody think we're lying or making stuff up. We take
that statement and we present it to the prosecutor. The

(01:41:13):
prosecutor takes a week to review everything. But listen, the
prosecutor gets with the detective and okay, says, these are
the charges I think are appropriate.

Speaker 4 (01:41:23):
That's what you're missing appropriate. And you probably had to say,
first of all, I don't work for them. I present
them with the evidence. Let me say something.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
The first time I talked the first time I talked
to you. I could have said, you know what, he's lying.
We're gonna just take that statement and that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
I talked to you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
Everything you said to me was presented to them. The
entire interview, you saying everything that you're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
They have.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
The prosecutor made a filing decision, and an arrest warrant
was issued. All the evidence in the case they were
presented with when you and the second statement when you
said no, this is what really happened. I like the
first time they have all that information. I don't make
a determination as far as what charges get biled.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
I just present it to them.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
This is not like somebody's on the street and they
find some weed in the car or something like that.
This is totally different. We have to present the evidence
to prosecuted.

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
The only person that wrong in this situation is not
even me.

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
Is the one that's responsible everything that happened that day,
and things are gonna be dealt with accordingly. But the
whole point that you don't understand is really simple. I
can't just say Vier is lying. I'm gonna write up
something and that's it. That's not what Detective Roman did.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
He told you should have said why I was lying though,
cause you I told you why I was lying. And listen, listen, though,
listen to me. Even after you knew I was lying,
I told you.

Speaker 4 (01:42:53):
I was lying. Everybody knows that. I told you the reasons,
and I told you. I have a son. Everybody thing.
I don't want to be around nothing like this. I
want to raise my son and get on with my life.
I'd have lost too much people in my life. I
don't want to do this. That is why.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
That's why everything was presented to the state and I'm
still here. Everything was presented to me, and then everything
I was supposed to do.

Speaker 4 (01:43:21):
How how what did I do?

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
Be home?

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
Please tell me what you did? Okay, what's the first time?
Because you know what you did wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
No, because I didn't want to be charged for this
same reason. Because I don't want to do I don't
want to be in handcuffs. I don't want to do
nothing with jail. I want to move on with my life.
Why would I want to talk to an officer if
I'm not I know I'm not wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
Whether you talk to me or not, that has no
bearing on the outcome of the case. What you don't understand, No,
because it does.

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
Because you because you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Didn't listen, You didn't tell the truth, You didn't say
anything to explain what happened on that video.

Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
You just basically lie. So I never told you. You
have a self serving statement to protect yourself. That's all
you did. Of course, did you see what happened, That's
that's not the truth. Of course, I'm gonna try to
I'm innocent. I'm innocent.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
You know I'm You're blaming me for this situation where
I wasn't in the car with a gun, know you,
I'm blaming you because you know I'm innocent.

Speaker 4 (01:44:23):
I don't even write the Affidavid. You know I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
Today you know what olive and are innocent? The guy
who you said of yourself, I was working before this,
You can't. Nobody can argue that I wasn't doing. Guy
whose case this is has COVID right now, he can't
be here. That's the only reason I'm here. I wouldn't
even be here. It's not my case.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
He has COVID. That's why he can't be here. This
is fun, bro.

Speaker 14 (01:44:52):
My family needs me. My girl don't got no job,
my mom needs me, my little brother needs me. A
lot of people need me, and y'all just want to
save my life and waste?

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
Why why do you think about all that stuff before
y'all went and did what you did? You act like
I planned this. You act like I knew this was
gonna happen. You know, I didn't know this brou But
that's but that's so. How's that somebody else's aut exactly?
How is it my fault there? You're supposed to believe
I would say, just answer your own question, how is
it my fault? Then I said, how is it somebody

(01:45:24):
else's exactly? How was it my phone? What you got?
You guys went over there and jump that guy?

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Just what y'all did jump somebody? Hear yourself video? If
we throught it to jump somebody, why didn't I pulled
in do all this extra? If you feel me, because
that wasn't the plan. It's on camera and I told.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
You and that you're not involved in the fight. You
you know, I bro, You know my car. You can
see my car weave something. You could see it. And
you know I think there's no projectile on video coming
at your car. There's no Yeah, no projectile on video.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
This is what I'm telling you, and it matches it
and then you guys get out and beat up some guys.

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
Know we come out. I get out, but I didn't
want a guy in the car shoot at the guys
and shoot the freend. What that's what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Oh you want to, bro, You want to make up
a story just so you could go to sleep and
just say, Okay, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:46:19):
Get lying. Bro. You know I did not do none
of that. The video shows you, you guys beating the
guy up, so nobody came to us first. They live there.
You guys don't live here, bro. What so it's just
okay for people to throw from the house. There's no
proof from the video or somebody. There's no proof, Bro.
You something, but you've seen it. There's nothing on video

(01:46:39):
that shows you. But you can see my car weave it.
And now I'm gonna go in jail and do dead
time for what. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
Listen, you understand. You know I'm innocent. You know I
had no part take into killing nobody at all. I
didn't kill nobody at all.

Speaker 4 (01:47:00):
And you know this. I wish I had that after
David and you can read it. But that's blame, bro,
because you know you did your job. Look I don't
mean nothing from.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
You no more.

Speaker 4 (01:47:09):
Look where I'm that because of you going to do
with me?

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Look on my families because of you, Yes, because of you,
My family depends on you.

Speaker 4 (01:47:20):
Take responsibility. I took responsibility. I took responsibility.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
You know somebody else I took responsibility, and you know
he's to blame somebody else.

Speaker 4 (01:47:28):
I took responsibility, and you know I did because you
know you're wrong. You're wrong.

Speaker 15 (01:47:36):
My family is gonna suffer because of you, because my
son is going to suffer because of you, because you lied,
because you've lied, and you want to say I'm wrong
for something I didn't even do a murder to.

Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
Who who did I kill? Who did I kill? Who
did I kill? Who did I kill?

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
No one?

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
You know I didn't kill. No money.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
If you want to rationalize the reason that like that,
that's okay, But that's not how a lot, no recause.

Speaker 4 (01:48:01):
It's like, bro, you know what happened. I'm not trying
to rationalize nothing. I'm telling you my drer And it's
like you, that's the truth, not coercial. Not now, it's
coercial because you manipulated me. And this looks com worse
to me. Look where I'm a Look where I'm at.
Look what I'm mad. That's all I gotta say. Look,

(01:48:22):
look where I'm at. You're there because of the decision
that you made. What decision did I make? Go over
there and do what you got I did not. You
want to believe everything nobody. It's on camera, exactly. And
that's the problem. It's not the problem that you just
don't want to do your job. You just want to
All you want to do is just say I don't
want to do this. No case some one he's wrong,

(01:48:44):
he's wrong, and he's wrong. But that's all you're doing,
that's all you you you go, you will take my life,
all of its life, Like, what do I have to
because you're not You're not doing nothing. You're gonna sit.

Speaker 12 (01:48:57):
You want to be out here Scotch free living exactly,
But I have you go to jail benefit you're gonna
have to gain another day of not.

Speaker 4 (01:49:05):
Trying to solve this case. That's not my case. That
what it is, that's what it is. I see it now, bro,
What is that? What is it? How does it benefit me?
How is my life now? My gonna go to I
try to help you and you no, I died. You're
not helping me. You see.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
No, Now I'm not over now, I'm not trying to now, like,
come on, bro, you just bro you what sorry? What
comes wrong goes around and that's all my life of
God or everything I love.

Speaker 4 (01:49:32):
I'm sorry. What comes wrong goes a wrong and you
throwing people life away like they did it. You're gonna
get yours a return.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
God.

Speaker 4 (01:49:39):
I don't like ugly. Nah, that's one thing about it. Nah,
follow and everything we do love have nothing the game, yo,
What comes around goes around? Yeah, excuse me, Hey my
book bag. I had something to drink because I I

(01:50:00):
was on break. I didn't drink. I get that. Just
give me one minute. There's like a cold. Okay, give
me one minute. I'll get you something. All right, it's
in my book back please. Now you've listened. Now go
to your thing