August 9, 2025 • 30 mins
Full Audio Michael McCarthy Police Interrogation
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're going to feel the pressure on this one. This
is the raw interrogation of Michael McCarthy, the man at
the center of the Bella Bond murder case. This is
cold silence between accusations and denial. This is the kind
of case that crawls under your skin. Let's get into this.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Okay. Today's Friday, September eighteenth. It's approx. Me ten twenty
four hours. My name is Trooper Joel Balducci. I'm assigned
the Suffer Country Detective Unit. Also in the.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Room is Troop of Tim O'Connor, Suffer County Detective Unit
and Troup of Bret DEFOSSI.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
He's also with the Self Detective Unit.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
We're here with a Michael McCarthy, right, Michael, Michael, if
you can just state your name, your date of birth,
Michael McCarthy. And we're at the Beth's Real Hospital. You're
admitted to five two correct, this is the building five building.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
We're at the Bethor's Real Hospital.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Okay, we're conducting the invest But before I ask you
any questions, Mike, I just want to read you Miranda rights.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Okay, do you know what Miranda rights are? Well, let
me let me read him to you. We have a
form right here. It's the form. You have the right
to remain silent. Do you understand that?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, anything you say can and will be used against
you in court.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Do you understand that canon will okay?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
You have the right to talk to a lawyer for
advice before we ask you any questions, and to have
him or her with you during questioning. If you cannot
afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you if
you decide to answer questions.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Now, you still have the right to stop questioning at
any time. Do you understand what I've read to you?
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Yes, you do, okay?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Having these rights in mind, do you wish to talk
to me now?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Yeah? I don't. Well, but I mean I don't even
know what it's about.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
So well, again, it's this is totally up to you.
I need to read you these rights, and it's your
choice whether you talk to me or not, if if
you if you want me to read these rights to
you again.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
No, no, I understand, I understand the whole rights thing.
I'm just saying I don't.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
We'll explain everything to you after we go through the paperwork.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
We'll k we'll explain it. What this is about what
you have to go through the paperwork.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Oh, I see it isn't okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So happening these rights in mind? You wish to talk
to me now?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Uh? It's so far I don't yeah, so far? Yes, okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
So I'm checking off the y S box. Uh and
if you could sign here, it's support It says subjects
in cognit.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
See it right there.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Sign I'm gonna sign underneath it. And just because of
the thing, can you write the day time?
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Decide?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It is uh against September eighteenth, and it's approximately ten
twenty seven.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Nineteen seventeen. And what time ten twenty seven?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It's uh September eighteenth and it's ten twenty seventh, eighteenth.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Alright, So just to get a little uh background, Mike,
where where are you staying now?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Where do you live?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Kind of bouncing around from place to place.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Where have you been living over the past month or so,
a couple months?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Mattapam whereabouts of Mattapam Maxwell Street?
Speaker 5 (03:45):
You also stayed in Quinsy on Ncock Street.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
W what number on Maxwell Street?
Speaker 5 (03:55):
I think it's one fifteen.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
One fifteen Maxwell. What about Quincy? What number Quincy.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Street eighteen or uh handclock sixteen handclock.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
And then a few of my friends just random my hair.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And then what are the friends?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
It's a bunch of kids, a few different kids that
grew up with just n never for long, just like
maybe a night here or there.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, what'd you grow up?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
SELTHI SEALTHI yeah, and I did?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I ask you, what's your data?
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Broth?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
How old are you?
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I'm thirty four thirty four.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
What's your dated broth?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Five twenty nine eighty five, twenty nine eighty Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
What about a phone on? You have a cell phone number? I?
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I did, but I there has lots of amass because
uh it's eight five seven six one five five four
eighty two by forty two. Yeah. Hey, I was talking
to nurses about that this morning. I can't find my
money on my cell phone.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Who who'd you come in here with?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I like my girlfriend?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Oh, Kathleen, Okay, so get back to Quincy's Where were
you before you came here to.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
The hospital where we're staying Mattapan Quincy your friend's house
you were staying? Who'd you? Who did you live in
Madipen with?
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Real Rochelle Bond that I don't even know if that's
her real name or not. She said she has another name.
I think her real last name's Jones.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Who's Rochelle Bond? Is that your girl? Was it? You
said your girlfriends Kathleen. Who's Rochelle Backe?
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Yeah? Rochelle someone she's just like a friend friend.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay. How old is she?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
She's in her early forties.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Who else any other roommates? Who else she lived there with?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Like? Did she had people in a nott of this sometimes?
But no way roommates that stayed there. The people would
like spend the night sometimes, but no, no roommates.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So it's just she's just lived there by herself. Yeah, yeah,
and and you yeah? How long? How long did you
stay there with her? Fall?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I don't know?
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Six months?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Six months? What's her phone number? Do you have her
phone number? I?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
She doesn't even have a phone.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I don't do any No, are you do you? Are
you working? Do you work at all?
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Don't? I'm waiting to collected as I was working to
the leg shat on my shoulder and then I was
doing plumbing.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
How'd you shot at your shoulder when I had to
seize you?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
What about her? Did she work?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Mm?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
No, no, what about a car? Do you guys have
you have a car? I? I gotta what kind of
car do you have?
Speaker 5 (07:03):
I have a uh? Uh, let's show we call the way.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Okay, uh where's that? Is that pot tier or something?
Or where's that? Whereas that was?
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Uh? I had tooken to him and once dare.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
So from from y from Maxwell Street?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
No, from from the uh you know this, this was
like the fourth hospital.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I wanted to That's okay, alright, alright, where's where's Rochelle?
Where's Rochelle? Now? Then?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
When's the last time you talk to her?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Probably like Tuesday, Monday and Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Tuesday would have been a lot Monday Tuesday, this week
like the beginning of.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
This week maybe yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, And when you left Maxwell?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Was she with you when you left?
Speaker 5 (08:05):
When she left?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Man, when you left Maxwell and you left Maxwell to
come to the hospital, right, yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Who who did who?
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
She le?
Speaker 5 (08:12):
She left. We went to BMC, go out into like
uh argument.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You and her? Y?
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
What day was at Monday?
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Tuesday? Yeah? And then and then it just and then
she left, yeh. Came back and then said like walked
back in the hospitals that acting crazy and then then
walked back out.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Huh so when you guys can see yourself like boyfriend
and girlfriend and no, no, no, alright, So back back
to Maxwell, you said people when people come and go
and stay, is there a one veteran apartment, two veteran
apartment or what?
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Then the two bedroom to lund?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So when was the first the first bedroom was what
your bedroom?
Speaker 5 (09:00):
No? The first bedroom like w we, I basically stayed
on the couch. Yeah, like a lot. Yeah, and so
but so would she she would like to staying there
on the couch. Almost no one would stay in the
first bedroom. And then the back bedroom was her daughter's. Ok,
but her daughter got taking my ideas, s A. It's
(09:21):
like her fourth kids that's been taking ideas that really? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
How many kids did she had? She had four kids
from what.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
She tells me. Really yeah, what haven't I haven't known
her that that man?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
So the first bedroom was like you guys, stayed on
the couch, but the first bedroom was hers, and then
the back bedroom was her daughters. But did her daughter
stay there? Was her daughter ever staying there? When you
were there? Like no, I was a chill when she
was taken by DSS before you got there.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Just no, she wasn't at first for like the first
few months, okay, and then okay, So.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
How did that work? Did you you didn't take care?
Did you take care of her? Or I know if
you started your car?
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I'd just like to play with her sometimes. How she
had to runder this?
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Or?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
How old was that girl too? And what's what was
her name?
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Well?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
What about the other kids? Did did she have other
Did you know any of the other kids I got
taken the DSS? No?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Do you know where they were?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Or I think she said one of 'em was with
her mother got taken by DSS.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
I don't know if her mother had an DS that
sucker for my mother. I'm not sure if that's how
that happened. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
If what's what's her mom's name?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Do you know where she stayed lives?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
She told me before?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But I can't we call hm close by or no?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
I know it's like up in Hampshire somewhere, s it's
in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
H And Rachelle's like, did you say like forty.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Or how old? Like her early forties?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And what did she do did you work.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I know.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
She's she said she used to be a strip of
back in the day.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Okay, So when you first go out there and you said,
about six months ago, how did you meet her?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
How did you meet her?
Speaker 5 (11:27):
I'm just outside outside the walking by like matt a
pana no no, no by I'm on the method b
like and by like where I go the methodon'em was
walking by Andy methadone in Boston.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
In Boston? Is that the one by like like South
Bay over there? Yeah? That so you met her they
have about six months ago? Yes, And how'd you get
to moving in with her?
Speaker 5 (11:54):
And actually I met her probably more like months before
of that. Yeah, you know, I met her like months before.
It was like I met her and you know, I
ended up right and then we talked on the phone
a few times and and then you know I ended
up over her house one day and just didn't believing.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
So when you first ended up over a house, who
was Uh, were any of the other kids there are.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Just that or just the bella.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Bella, bella, sh sh.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Bella was staying there?
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Then?
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Yeah, right, they know none of the other kid.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Now of the other kids, do you know any of
the other kids' names.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I know she said them to me.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
That that's our that's alright.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
So you show up there and and she's there, and
Bella's there, and did you just stay there.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
For for uh for s from that day on? I know?
How how how did that work?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
No? I mean a good amount of the days of
the week I would stay there. Would sometimes I would
still go back to point the dance, say.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So you guys, weren't she wasn't working and you weren't
wor w wasn't working?
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So what did you? What were you like day? What'd
you do all day?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Well?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
No, not much really, I mean I kind of have
this guy out yuh a few times a day. I Uh,
I had my friends all the time in the day.
Plus I'd have to I'd go and take the train
to the Matado clinic and then all the way back
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every day, so that would end up eating like three
four hours out of the day, like waiting for a
bus and then.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Got taking it. What what did I who?
Speaker 4 (13:43):
So?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Who took care of Beller on a daily basis? Rachelle?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Did she did? Did she go to school? Or I'll
go to school? Rachelle, No, I'll the door.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I know.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
No, So six months ago? How old would dollar? A day?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
T two?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Good? When whend? So you guys were staying together? When
when did? When? Did were you there when DSS took
her bella? No, how did that happen? What happened?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
I have no, I don't know if somebody called on her,
I don't she she always used to complain about her
the kid that she had the baby with.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Who's that? You know that?
Speaker 4 (14:25):
What?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
I have no idea. But he showed up at the
house the last few nights before I came in here,
pounded on the back door one day and he would
like he was waiting for people to like come in
the house because the front back door is a locked
them people would go out. He would just kind of
shoot right into the house. So he flew in the
(14:49):
back door one day. It was like banging on the
back door. And then the next day he came. I
was not the next day after oh, the next it
was the three days after that. Yeah, he came in
the front door at like midnight and was bangled on
the front door again and yelling and screaming, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
And then she was like, did you have any other
dolls that I've.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Never been on before in my life, and I just
figured to stay out.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
It's a good call, right, Yeah, alright, So six months
ago you move in and you Rachelle and Bella are there.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
How long do you think you guys were living together?
Went Balla before she was taken from d ss U.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
It wasn't long. It wasn't maybe a couple of months,
maybe a couple of months, I mean cause I remember,
uh my family took him out the we took her
out the brunch from uh East And it wasn't too
long after that that.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Uh so did you did you just so it was
some time after resta, Yeah, it was definitely after.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Did she have to go to quarter or anything? Like?
Did you just come home in the baby and ducking
the baby Bello's dog?
Speaker 5 (16:00):
You see? And I'm not sure. I don't have babies.
I'm not sure how it works. But Rachelle's had, from
what I understand of all of her kids taken from
dss And she told me that the guy said to what,
we can either like do this a nice way of
(16:22):
the hard way, Like I can either take the baby
now or I can show up with a bunch of
cops and told you that. She said that, Yeah, that's
what the guy Sai's what.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, so if you were you staying there every day?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You were staying there.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Every day right at that point? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
And when so would you just come home one day
and the bello's gone off?
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
And I was like, what was it a process? Like
do they come? I'm just I don't. I don't know
the answer. That's why I'm asking.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Was there a process like does does DSS? Do they
contact her and then like give her like a warning?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Or I was was was she was?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
I've not had to deal with them?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Did she did? She talk about it?
Speaker 5 (17:01):
She complained about her however, those I mean she she
had mentioned that somebody had said something to her because
she like gave her hole spank in the ass. Really yeah,
And she was like, you know, nowadays DSS can get
taken for take kids for nothing. Her all the time.
She's like, it's ridiculous though, She's like the other kids
I've lost were all for nothing. She's like the you
(17:24):
know quotes get involved and it's for nothing. I don't
know how much food there is too it.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
But did house, did anyone else take care of the
child or the children that she had, like a grand
grand a, mother, a sister, brother.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
No, I said, like one of the other kids supposedly
went to live with the mother for a little while.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
But did anyone have contact while you were there? Did
you see anyone taking care of Bella beside her?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Did you take care of her at all? Yeah? Or
you dead?
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Yeah? Just like play with her. I'm not I'm not
a father. I never really had nieces and nephews. I
only have one brother, so I'm not too good with
like feeding kids, you know, but I'd always like play
with her. We'd have fun.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Their relationship with her. Yeah. Yeah, So.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
How did that whole thing go down? And you come
home and and and Bella's gone?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
What happens that?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I was just trying to calm herd and she was
kind of really upset, you.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Know, did did did anyone? Did anyone come looking far?
Or like, did the father come looking forward? Did the father?
Speaker 5 (18:38):
And the father was in Florida, he had just from home,
Like I don't even think he's been home for ten
days yet from what I understand.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Anyways, what about was she was like dc aflet like
children and family, did they come check.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
On the on the on bala or anything.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Or no, no, so she didn't have like a caseworker
or anything.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
No preschool too? Is too young for preschool? Right or whatever?
What what about?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I mean, I'm just trying to figure like the living arrangements,
like sort of where the living arrangement's okay for her.
I'm just trying to figure out why DCF would come
take her out. Does she have her own bed in
the room.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yes, she had a little bed in her.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
What was the bed was a crib or was it
in bed? Like what do you remember what it looked like.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
It was like a small, probably single bed.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
What about any toys to to?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
She have toys in that?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
So does was like when she when Belloy gets taken,
does we did all that stuff go?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Did she's does she still keep it? Is it still
in the house?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Yeah, everything is still all the.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Bed that she slept in and all the toys and stuff,
and she's kept all that stuff for her.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
All that stuff still in the house.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
I mean it was really surprised because I mean she
seemed to be a really good good mother. Yeah, Michelle,
she really did.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
So you walk in and with described up your apartment,
So what is it a living room you just got.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
You walk in the front door, there's a living room
right to the left. Then if you did like a
you turn tight deal, then the front bedrooms there. Then
it's like the kitchen, and then the bathroom to the left,
the back door to the right, and then the back
room bellows.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Room down with everybody so in the back right, So
that's where the bedroom is still there and the toys
and everything else.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Yeah, the toys are kind of still scattered poll drop shit.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Alright, So what about did you and Rochelle about augu
or anything?
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yeah, we're argument about what normal stuff a couple's argue
usually nothing.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yeah, did did Rochelle about does she ever try to
go see Beller anymore?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Or no?
Speaker 5 (21:01):
No? Which I kind of I would say, I thought
it was strange, but it was just kind of like,
you know, whenever I bring it up, she wouldn't want
to talk about it. She would just not want to
talk about it at all.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
What you ask you? What do you mean bringing up power?
Speaker 5 (21:23):
If I would say, like, you know, how you working
on getting Bella back? But at all, she would just
kind of be like, listen, I've been through this before
plenty of times. Once they take your kids, you don't
get them back. You don't get them back. And you know,
I hate arguing, especially with females, So I would just
kind of let it go. You know, I could tell
she was already pretty wound up.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
And you don't know where Rachelle is now.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
I would guess at her house, Yeah, I would guess.
I'm not one hundred percent. I've been in hand though days.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
What you say if I told you she was talking
to us, he's talking to the state police right now.
She's she's she's with some troopers talking to the state
police right now, and she's sort of talking about the
same things that we're talking about right now. But her
version of the story is a lot different than what
(22:20):
your version of the story is about your relationship about Bella,
about the living arrangements and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
What do you what do you? What do you think
about that?
Speaker 5 (22:31):
I mean, almost different? I could be no.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Right, Well, again, that's why we're here trying to talk
to you. We're trying to just find out, really, you know,
what happened between you and her and what happened to Bella.
Because Belle's not in DCF custody and and Rochelle is
telling us something different about what happened to her, and
that something different involves you. What you Well, that's why
(23:00):
I'm here trying to you know. I we as investigators,
we just don't listen to one side of the story.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
We like to listen.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
We talked to both people involved, so obviously you and
Rachelle are involved in this situation.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And we're trying to get the truth out.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
So I'm here talking to you just trying to find
out what happened to the baby, and you're telling me
some things that just don't line up. But I want
to hear what happened. I think I know what happened
to the baby, but I want to hear from you.
And this is one chance for you to tell the
truth about what happened. Now, a lot of things could
(23:34):
have happened, but I'd like to hear from you.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Oh, tell me everything that I know when happen so
in set of sense, really absolutely, so.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
You had no interaction with the child, or something didn't
happen to the tr child that could have cost harm
to that child.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I mean I had interaction with the child, Yeah, but
what the cause armes? It would no like playing with
her talking with her being around the house, when she
was around that, going on with the dog, taking in
the park, things like that.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Why why would Rochelle tell us that you you hit
the child? Hit Bella.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Couldn't tell you no, no, And I don't think Rochelle
would let someone stay around.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
That was did did you get her child with h
Did she ever hit the child?
Speaker 5 (24:32):
M not that I saw.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I know.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
That's why I was kind of surprised when she even
said when someone Spanish around them said, someone said Spaniser said,
someone said they saw a span around the wront. I
was even kind of surprised at that.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I listen, like people go through a lot in life.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Okay, I'm I'm gonna be straight with you right now, okay,
and I can just tell talking and you look extremely nervous.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
It's like the way of the world's on your shoulders.
Right now.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I know what happened to Bella. These troopers in the
room know what happened to Bella. We've been conducting an
investigation for months now. We talked to a lot of people.
We're still talking to people.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
You know what I'm talking about, And now's your chance
to get.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Ahead of it and tell and tell the truth. Okay,
we want to know why it happened, and you know
if the O shit button went off, that it happens.
But to sit here and lie to me about it
and not come, you know, get it off your chest
and do the right thing. Thought a little girl. Rachelle's
(25:38):
already talking. We already have the whole story. I'm not
making that up.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I can't come in here as a state police officer
and lie to you and tell you what's not and
what is and what's not happening. She's telling the story.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Now's your chance to get out from undo whatever you're
under and come clean and tell us what happened and
let us figure this out.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Because if you just sit here and blow some more
up my ass and our asses, lie and lie and
lie and lie, you're just taking yourself in a bigger hole.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
I'm not blowing smoke up, anyone says. If you're saying,
you know, I might look nervous and mis because I'm
about to go into what made that.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
No, I, like I said, I'm.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Talking to you kind of caught me at a worse time.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
It's okay, like you're doing great. I'm telling you right now,
you're doing great.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
You know, the whole interview is going great until I
sort of confront you with some things that that that
I don't believe on truth. You know, so again, something
happened to a little girl, okay, and even even even
things that you said about the apartment, those aren't true.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
You've already been to the apartment.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
What thing is about the apartment that's.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Listen, I'm telling I'm trying to tell you little bits
of information that I know to show you that I'm
not in here jerking you around. I'm here to get
you outside of the story of what happened about it.
And now's your chance to tell us.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
I told you. I told you everything I know the
best of my recollection. Miss that apartment is different.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
Maybe you guys run the room about it, uh, because
what I said again is you go to the front door,
the living rooms to the left, than the front bedrooms
behind that.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Then you walk in the kitchen's out there, and the
bathroom after that, and the my bedrooms.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Mike, I'm worried about way Valarius.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Yeah, now I am too, because he's that I'm into
what she's been on TSS.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Mike, do you understand what he's saying?
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Though, when he says, Chelle's talking and giving more information
than you are, do you understand what that means?
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Yeah, I've seen enough, well I've seen enough TV to
have an idea that I know it's not TV. But
I'm just saying to understand what that means, what he.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
Means, what she says, that she's talking and she's given
a totally different story than what you're giving. And we're
giving you a chance to give your side of the
your version of the story.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
N I'm giving my truthful side of the story.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Why why would Rochelle answer me this? And I'm asking
you this for the question, why would Rochelle tell us
that you hurt her baby?
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Maybe to cover her own ass if she was's nothing? Second,
think of why would Rachelle let me hurt her baby?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I'm asking you, We're asking you that question.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Doesn't make it any It doesn't make.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Any sense to us.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Why she would just pull your name out of a
hat and say, Michael McCarthy hurt my baby.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Maybe because that was the only one around. Ye no
one else was really around. She doesn't have too many friends.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
I mean, if something, if something went wrong or something
while you were watching the baby or she was watching
the baby, or if something went sideways and things happened
and it was an accident or what happened, or it
was just a spanking or something.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I'm trying. I'm I'm not trying to put words in
your mouth, Mike. I'm just trying to figure out.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I can't comprehend how a child like that could get hurt, killed, killed, Right.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
You don't know she's dead. No, you don't know Belle
is dead. No really, no, huh, she's not.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Not to my knowledge. Are you sure positive.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
You didn't drive over to East Boston.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
No, Southeast Southea, No, Boston Harbor, No, no, no, Mike,
We've been handling this investigation for months, been all over
the news.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
We're here right now talking to you.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
This is not this is not some sort of homicide detectives. Okay,
we've been doing this for a long time. Okay, Okay,
this is the real deal. This is your chance to
get out from under this. Okay, we know what what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
We know what happened to Bella.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I don't think you don't know what happened with Bells.
He's sitting there basically saying I did something, So.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
You don't know what happens to her, Then you tell
me what happened to her.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Okay, it is ten fifty four and
Speaker 1 (30:17):
We're gonna have this something
You're going to feel the pressure on this one. This
is the raw interrogation of Michael McCarthy, the man at
the center of the Bella Bond murder case. This is
cold silence between accusations and denial. This is the kind
of case that crawls under your skin. Let's get into this.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Okay. Today's Friday, September eighteenth. It's approx. Me ten twenty
four hours. My name is Trooper Joel Balducci. I'm assigned
the Suffer Country Detective Unit. Also in the.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Room is Troop of Tim O'Connor, Suffer County Detective Unit
and Troup of Bret DEFOSSI.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
He's also with the Self Detective Unit.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
We're here with a Michael McCarthy, right, Michael, Michael, if
you can just state your name, your date of birth,
Michael McCarthy. And we're at the Beth's Real Hospital. You're
admitted to five two correct, this is the building five building.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
We're at the Bethor's Real Hospital.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Okay, we're conducting the invest But before I ask you
any questions, Mike, I just want to read you Miranda rights.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Okay, do you know what Miranda rights are? Well, let
me let me read him to you. We have a
form right here. It's the form. You have the right
to remain silent. Do you understand that?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, anything you say can and will be used against
you in court.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Do you understand that canon will okay?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
You have the right to talk to a lawyer for
advice before we ask you any questions, and to have
him or her with you during questioning. If you cannot
afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you if
you decide to answer questions.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Now, you still have the right to stop questioning at
any time. Do you understand what I've read to you?
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Yes, you do, okay?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Having these rights in mind, do you wish to talk
to me now?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Yeah? I don't. Well, but I mean I don't even
know what it's about.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
So well, again, it's this is totally up to you.
I need to read you these rights, and it's your
choice whether you talk to me or not, if if
you if you want me to read these rights to
you again.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
No, no, I understand, I understand the whole rights thing.
I'm just saying I don't.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
We'll explain everything to you after we go through the paperwork.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
We'll k we'll explain it. What this is about what
you have to go through the paperwork.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Oh, I see it isn't okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So happening these rights in mind? You wish to talk
to me now?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Uh? It's so far I don't yeah, so far? Yes, okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
So I'm checking off the y S box. Uh and
if you could sign here, it's support It says subjects
in cognit.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
See it right there.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Sign I'm gonna sign underneath it. And just because of
the thing, can you write the day time?
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Decide?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It is uh against September eighteenth, and it's approximately ten
twenty seven.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Nineteen seventeen. And what time ten twenty seven?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It's uh September eighteenth and it's ten twenty seventh, eighteenth.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Alright, So just to get a little uh background, Mike,
where where are you staying now?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Where do you live?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Kind of bouncing around from place to place.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Where have you been living over the past month or so,
a couple months?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Mattapam whereabouts of Mattapam Maxwell Street?
Speaker 5 (03:45):
You also stayed in Quinsy on Ncock Street.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
W what number on Maxwell Street?
Speaker 5 (03:55):
I think it's one fifteen.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
One fifteen Maxwell. What about Quincy? What number Quincy.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Street eighteen or uh handclock sixteen handclock.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
And then a few of my friends just random my hair.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And then what are the friends?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
It's a bunch of kids, a few different kids that
grew up with just n never for long, just like
maybe a night here or there.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, what'd you grow up?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
SELTHI SEALTHI yeah, and I did?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I ask you, what's your data?
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Broth?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
How old are you?
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I'm thirty four thirty four.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
What's your dated broth?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Five twenty nine eighty five, twenty nine eighty Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
What about a phone on? You have a cell phone number? I?
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I did, but I there has lots of amass because
uh it's eight five seven six one five five four
eighty two by forty two. Yeah. Hey, I was talking
to nurses about that this morning. I can't find my
money on my cell phone.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Who who'd you come in here with?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I like my girlfriend?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Oh, Kathleen, Okay, so get back to Quincy's Where were
you before you came here to.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
The hospital where we're staying Mattapan Quincy your friend's house
you were staying? Who'd you? Who did you live in
Madipen with?
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Real Rochelle Bond that I don't even know if that's
her real name or not. She said she has another name.
I think her real last name's Jones.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Who's Rochelle Bond? Is that your girl? Was it? You
said your girlfriends Kathleen. Who's Rochelle Backe?
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Yeah? Rochelle someone she's just like a friend friend.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay. How old is she?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
She's in her early forties.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Who else any other roommates? Who else she lived there with?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Like? Did she had people in a nott of this sometimes?
But no way roommates that stayed there. The people would
like spend the night sometimes, but no, no roommates.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So it's just she's just lived there by herself. Yeah, yeah,
and and you yeah? How long? How long did you
stay there with her? Fall?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I don't know?
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Six months?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Six months? What's her phone number? Do you have her
phone number? I?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
She doesn't even have a phone.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I don't do any No, are you do you? Are
you working? Do you work at all?
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Don't? I'm waiting to collected as I was working to
the leg shat on my shoulder and then I was
doing plumbing.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
How'd you shot at your shoulder when I had to
seize you?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
What about her? Did she work?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Mm?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
No, no, what about a car? Do you guys have
you have a car? I? I gotta what kind of
car do you have?
Speaker 5 (07:03):
I have a uh? Uh, let's show we call the way.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Okay, uh where's that? Is that pot tier or something?
Or where's that? Whereas that was?
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Uh? I had tooken to him and once dare.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
So from from y from Maxwell Street?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
No, from from the uh you know this, this was
like the fourth hospital.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I wanted to That's okay, alright, alright, where's where's Rochelle?
Where's Rochelle? Now? Then?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
When's the last time you talk to her?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Probably like Tuesday, Monday and Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Tuesday would have been a lot Monday Tuesday, this week
like the beginning of.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
This week maybe yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, And when you left Maxwell?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Was she with you when you left?
Speaker 5 (08:05):
When she left?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Man, when you left Maxwell and you left Maxwell to
come to the hospital, right, yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Who who did who?
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
She le?
Speaker 5 (08:12):
She left. We went to BMC, go out into like
uh argument.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You and her? Y?
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
What day was at Monday?
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Tuesday? Yeah? And then and then it just and then
she left, yeh. Came back and then said like walked
back in the hospitals that acting crazy and then then
walked back out.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Huh so when you guys can see yourself like boyfriend
and girlfriend and no, no, no, alright, So back back
to Maxwell, you said people when people come and go
and stay, is there a one veteran apartment, two veteran
apartment or what?
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Then the two bedroom to lund?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So when was the first the first bedroom was what
your bedroom?
Speaker 5 (09:00):
No? The first bedroom like w we, I basically stayed
on the couch. Yeah, like a lot. Yeah, and so
but so would she she would like to staying there
on the couch. Almost no one would stay in the
first bedroom. And then the back bedroom was her daughter's. Ok,
but her daughter got taking my ideas, s A. It's
(09:21):
like her fourth kids that's been taking ideas that really? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
How many kids did she had? She had four kids
from what.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
She tells me. Really yeah, what haven't I haven't known
her that that man?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
So the first bedroom was like you guys, stayed on
the couch, but the first bedroom was hers, and then
the back bedroom was her daughters. But did her daughter
stay there? Was her daughter ever staying there? When you
were there? Like no, I was a chill when she
was taken by DSS before you got there.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Just no, she wasn't at first for like the first
few months, okay, and then okay, So.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
How did that work? Did you you didn't take care?
Did you take care of her? Or I know if
you started your car?
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I'd just like to play with her sometimes. How she
had to runder this?
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Or?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
How old was that girl too? And what's what was
her name?
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Well?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
What about the other kids? Did did she have other
Did you know any of the other kids I got
taken the DSS? No?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Do you know where they were?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Or I think she said one of 'em was with
her mother got taken by DSS.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
I don't know if her mother had an DS that
sucker for my mother. I'm not sure if that's how
that happened. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
If what's what's her mom's name?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Do you know where she stayed lives?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
She told me before?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But I can't we call hm close by or no?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
I know it's like up in Hampshire somewhere, s it's
in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
H And Rachelle's like, did you say like forty.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Or how old? Like her early forties?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And what did she do did you work.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I know.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
She's she said she used to be a strip of
back in the day.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Okay, So when you first go out there and you said,
about six months ago, how did you meet her?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
How did you meet her?
Speaker 5 (11:27):
I'm just outside outside the walking by like matt a
pana no no, no by I'm on the method b
like and by like where I go the methodon'em was
walking by Andy methadone in Boston.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
In Boston? Is that the one by like like South
Bay over there? Yeah? That so you met her they
have about six months ago? Yes, And how'd you get
to moving in with her?
Speaker 5 (11:54):
And actually I met her probably more like months before
of that. Yeah, you know, I met her like months before.
It was like I met her and you know, I
ended up right and then we talked on the phone
a few times and and then you know I ended
up over her house one day and just didn't believing.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
So when you first ended up over a house, who
was Uh, were any of the other kids there are.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Just that or just the bella.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Bella, bella, sh sh.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Bella was staying there?
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Then?
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Yeah, right, they know none of the other kid.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Now of the other kids, do you know any of
the other kids' names.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I know she said them to me.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
That that's our that's alright.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
So you show up there and and she's there, and
Bella's there, and did you just stay there.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
For for uh for s from that day on? I know?
How how how did that work?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
No? I mean a good amount of the days of
the week I would stay there. Would sometimes I would
still go back to point the dance, say.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So you guys, weren't she wasn't working and you weren't
wor w wasn't working?
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So what did you? What were you like day? What'd
you do all day?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Well?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
No, not much really, I mean I kind of have
this guy out yuh a few times a day. I Uh,
I had my friends all the time in the day.
Plus I'd have to I'd go and take the train
to the Matado clinic and then all the way back
(13:33):
every day, so that would end up eating like three
four hours out of the day, like waiting for a
bus and then.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Got taking it. What what did I who?
Speaker 4 (13:43):
So?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Who took care of Beller on a daily basis? Rachelle?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Did she did? Did she go to school? Or I'll
go to school? Rachelle, No, I'll the door.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I know.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
No, So six months ago? How old would dollar? A day?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
T two?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Good? When whend? So you guys were staying together? When
when did? When? Did were you there when DSS took
her bella? No, how did that happen? What happened?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
I have no, I don't know if somebody called on her,
I don't she she always used to complain about her
the kid that she had the baby with.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Who's that? You know that?
Speaker 4 (14:25):
What?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
I have no idea. But he showed up at the
house the last few nights before I came in here,
pounded on the back door one day and he would
like he was waiting for people to like come in
the house because the front back door is a locked
them people would go out. He would just kind of
shoot right into the house. So he flew in the
(14:49):
back door one day. It was like banging on the
back door. And then the next day he came. I
was not the next day after oh, the next it
was the three days after that. Yeah, he came in
the front door at like midnight and was bangled on
the front door again and yelling and screaming, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
And then she was like, did you have any other
dolls that I've.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Never been on before in my life, and I just
figured to stay out.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
It's a good call, right, Yeah, alright, So six months
ago you move in and you Rachelle and Bella are there.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
How long do you think you guys were living together?
Went Balla before she was taken from d ss U.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
It wasn't long. It wasn't maybe a couple of months,
maybe a couple of months, I mean cause I remember,
uh my family took him out the we took her
out the brunch from uh East And it wasn't too
long after that that.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Uh so did you did you just so it was
some time after resta, Yeah, it was definitely after.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Did she have to go to quarter or anything? Like?
Did you just come home in the baby and ducking
the baby Bello's dog?
Speaker 5 (16:00):
You see? And I'm not sure. I don't have babies.
I'm not sure how it works. But Rachelle's had, from
what I understand of all of her kids taken from
dss And she told me that the guy said to what,
we can either like do this a nice way of
(16:22):
the hard way, Like I can either take the baby
now or I can show up with a bunch of
cops and told you that. She said that, Yeah, that's
what the guy Sai's what.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, so if you were you staying there every day?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You were staying there.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Every day right at that point? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
And when so would you just come home one day
and the bello's gone off?
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
And I was like, what was it a process? Like
do they come? I'm just I don't. I don't know
the answer. That's why I'm asking.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Was there a process like does does DSS? Do they
contact her and then like give her like a warning?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Or I was was was she was?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
I've not had to deal with them?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Did she did? She talk about it?
Speaker 5 (17:01):
She complained about her however, those I mean she she
had mentioned that somebody had said something to her because
she like gave her hole spank in the ass. Really yeah,
And she was like, you know, nowadays DSS can get
taken for take kids for nothing. Her all the time.
She's like, it's ridiculous though, She's like the other kids
I've lost were all for nothing. She's like the you
(17:24):
know quotes get involved and it's for nothing. I don't
know how much food there is too it.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
But did house, did anyone else take care of the
child or the children that she had, like a grand
grand a, mother, a sister, brother.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
No, I said, like one of the other kids supposedly
went to live with the mother for a little while.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
But did anyone have contact while you were there? Did
you see anyone taking care of Bella beside her?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Did you take care of her at all? Yeah? Or
you dead?
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Yeah? Just like play with her. I'm not I'm not
a father. I never really had nieces and nephews. I
only have one brother, so I'm not too good with
like feeding kids, you know, but I'd always like play
with her. We'd have fun.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Their relationship with her. Yeah. Yeah, So.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
How did that whole thing go down? And you come
home and and and Bella's gone?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
What happens that?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I was just trying to calm herd and she was
kind of really upset, you.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Know, did did did anyone? Did anyone come looking far?
Or like, did the father come looking forward? Did the father?
Speaker 5 (18:38):
And the father was in Florida, he had just from home,
Like I don't even think he's been home for ten
days yet from what I understand.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Anyways, what about was she was like dc aflet like
children and family, did they come check.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
On the on the on bala or anything.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Or no, no, so she didn't have like a caseworker
or anything.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
No preschool too? Is too young for preschool? Right or whatever?
What what about?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I mean, I'm just trying to figure like the living arrangements,
like sort of where the living arrangement's okay for her.
I'm just trying to figure out why DCF would come
take her out. Does she have her own bed in
the room.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yes, she had a little bed in her.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
What was the bed was a crib or was it
in bed? Like what do you remember what it looked like.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
It was like a small, probably single bed.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
What about any toys to to?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
She have toys in that?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
So does was like when she when Belloy gets taken,
does we did all that stuff go?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Did she's does she still keep it? Is it still
in the house?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Yeah, everything is still all the.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Bed that she slept in and all the toys and stuff,
and she's kept all that stuff for her.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
All that stuff still in the house.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
I mean it was really surprised because I mean she
seemed to be a really good good mother. Yeah, Michelle,
she really did.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
So you walk in and with described up your apartment,
So what is it a living room you just got.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
You walk in the front door, there's a living room
right to the left. Then if you did like a
you turn tight deal, then the front bedrooms there. Then
it's like the kitchen, and then the bathroom to the left,
the back door to the right, and then the back
room bellows.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Room down with everybody so in the back right, So
that's where the bedroom is still there and the toys
and everything else.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Yeah, the toys are kind of still scattered poll drop shit.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Alright, So what about did you and Rochelle about augu
or anything?
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yeah, we're argument about what normal stuff a couple's argue
usually nothing.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yeah, did did Rochelle about does she ever try to
go see Beller anymore?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Or no?
Speaker 5 (21:01):
No? Which I kind of I would say, I thought
it was strange, but it was just kind of like,
you know, whenever I bring it up, she wouldn't want
to talk about it. She would just not want to
talk about it at all.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
What you ask you? What do you mean bringing up power?
Speaker 5 (21:23):
If I would say, like, you know, how you working
on getting Bella back? But at all, she would just
kind of be like, listen, I've been through this before
plenty of times. Once they take your kids, you don't
get them back. You don't get them back. And you know,
I hate arguing, especially with females, So I would just
kind of let it go. You know, I could tell
she was already pretty wound up.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
And you don't know where Rachelle is now.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
I would guess at her house, Yeah, I would guess.
I'm not one hundred percent. I've been in hand though days.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
What you say if I told you she was talking
to us, he's talking to the state police right now.
She's she's she's with some troopers talking to the state
police right now, and she's sort of talking about the
same things that we're talking about right now. But her
version of the story is a lot different than what
(22:20):
your version of the story is about your relationship about Bella,
about the living arrangements and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
What do you what do you? What do you think
about that?
Speaker 5 (22:31):
I mean, almost different? I could be no.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Right, Well, again, that's why we're here trying to talk
to you. We're trying to just find out, really, you know,
what happened between you and her and what happened to Bella.
Because Belle's not in DCF custody and and Rochelle is
telling us something different about what happened to her, and
that something different involves you. What you Well, that's why
(23:00):
I'm here trying to you know. I we as investigators,
we just don't listen to one side of the story.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
We like to listen.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
We talked to both people involved, so obviously you and
Rachelle are involved in this situation.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And we're trying to get the truth out.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
So I'm here talking to you just trying to find
out what happened to the baby, and you're telling me
some things that just don't line up. But I want
to hear what happened. I think I know what happened
to the baby, but I want to hear from you.
And this is one chance for you to tell the
truth about what happened. Now, a lot of things could
(23:34):
have happened, but I'd like to hear from you.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Oh, tell me everything that I know when happen so
in set of sense, really absolutely, so.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
You had no interaction with the child, or something didn't
happen to the tr child that could have cost harm
to that child.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I mean I had interaction with the child, Yeah, but
what the cause armes? It would no like playing with
her talking with her being around the house, when she
was around that, going on with the dog, taking in
the park, things like that.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Why why would Rochelle tell us that you you hit
the child? Hit Bella.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Couldn't tell you no, no, And I don't think Rochelle
would let someone stay around.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
That was did did you get her child with h
Did she ever hit the child?
Speaker 5 (24:32):
M not that I saw.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I know.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
That's why I was kind of surprised when she even
said when someone Spanish around them said, someone said Spaniser said,
someone said they saw a span around the wront. I
was even kind of surprised at that.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I listen, like people go through a lot in life.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Okay, I'm I'm gonna be straight with you right now, okay,
and I can just tell talking and you look extremely nervous.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
It's like the way of the world's on your shoulders.
Right now.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I know what happened to Bella. These troopers in the
room know what happened to Bella. We've been conducting an
investigation for months now. We talked to a lot of people.
We're still talking to people.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
You know what I'm talking about, And now's your chance
to get.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Ahead of it and tell and tell the truth. Okay,
we want to know why it happened, and you know
if the O shit button went off, that it happens.
But to sit here and lie to me about it
and not come, you know, get it off your chest
and do the right thing. Thought a little girl. Rachelle's
(25:38):
already talking. We already have the whole story. I'm not
making that up.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I can't come in here as a state police officer
and lie to you and tell you what's not and
what is and what's not happening. She's telling the story.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Now's your chance to get out from undo whatever you're
under and come clean and tell us what happened and
let us figure this out.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Because if you just sit here and blow some more
up my ass and our asses, lie and lie and
lie and lie, you're just taking yourself in a bigger hole.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
I'm not blowing smoke up, anyone says. If you're saying,
you know, I might look nervous and mis because I'm
about to go into what made that.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
No, I, like I said, I'm.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Talking to you kind of caught me at a worse time.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
It's okay, like you're doing great. I'm telling you right now,
you're doing great.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
You know, the whole interview is going great until I
sort of confront you with some things that that that
I don't believe on truth. You know, so again, something
happened to a little girl, okay, and even even even
things that you said about the apartment, those aren't true.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
You've already been to the apartment.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
What thing is about the apartment that's.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Listen, I'm telling I'm trying to tell you little bits
of information that I know to show you that I'm
not in here jerking you around. I'm here to get
you outside of the story of what happened about it.
And now's your chance to tell us.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
I told you. I told you everything I know the
best of my recollection. Miss that apartment is different.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
Maybe you guys run the room about it, uh, because
what I said again is you go to the front door,
the living rooms to the left, than the front bedrooms
behind that.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Then you walk in the kitchen's out there, and the
bathroom after that, and the my bedrooms.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Mike, I'm worried about way Valarius.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Yeah, now I am too, because he's that I'm into
what she's been on TSS.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Mike, do you understand what he's saying?
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Though, when he says, Chelle's talking and giving more information
than you are, do you understand what that means?
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Yeah, I've seen enough, well I've seen enough TV to
have an idea that I know it's not TV. But
I'm just saying to understand what that means, what he.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
Means, what she says, that she's talking and she's given
a totally different story than what you're giving. And we're
giving you a chance to give your side of the
your version of the story.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
N I'm giving my truthful side of the story.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Why why would Rochelle answer me this? And I'm asking
you this for the question, why would Rochelle tell us
that you hurt her baby?
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Maybe to cover her own ass if she was's nothing? Second,
think of why would Rachelle let me hurt her baby?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I'm asking you, We're asking you that question.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Doesn't make it any It doesn't make.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Any sense to us.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Why she would just pull your name out of a
hat and say, Michael McCarthy hurt my baby.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Maybe because that was the only one around. Ye no
one else was really around. She doesn't have too many friends.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
I mean, if something, if something went wrong or something
while you were watching the baby or she was watching
the baby, or if something went sideways and things happened
and it was an accident or what happened, or it
was just a spanking or something.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I'm trying. I'm I'm not trying to put words in
your mouth, Mike. I'm just trying to figure out.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I can't comprehend how a child like that could get hurt, killed, killed, Right.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
You don't know she's dead. No, you don't know Belle
is dead. No really, no, huh, she's not.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Not to my knowledge. Are you sure positive.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
You didn't drive over to East Boston.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
No, Southeast Southea, No, Boston Harbor, No, no, no, Mike,
We've been handling this investigation for months, been all over
the news.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
We're here right now talking to you.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
This is not this is not some sort of homicide detectives. Okay,
we've been doing this for a long time. Okay, Okay,
this is the real deal. This is your chance to
get out from under this. Okay, we know what what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
We know what happened to Bella.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I don't think you don't know what happened with Bells.
He's sitting there basically saying I did something, So.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
You don't know what happens to her, Then you tell
me what happened to her.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Okay, it is ten fifty four and
Speaker 1 (30:17):
We're gonna have this something
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