Interrogation Of Father & Killer James Cosby And The Relationship Leads To Double Murder

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to your top true crime hob for the variety
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Enjoy. Yeah, here's right here, okay by Larry James, James James, Okay, James,
by Tommy Henson.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm I worked through out of here, but I'm on
the FBI Safe Streets Task Force.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Okay, so you.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Know, James, just we're down here at this office. I
have to do. You know, I do this to everybody.
I really what's called your advisor rights? Are you familiar
with that? Yeah, I'm Miranda Rights. I have to before
I interview anybody or go over anything with you.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm watching up TV shows you know that say Miranda right,
that means you under rest now, and sure don't.

Speaker 5 (00:49):
All it is right, That's all I see the pair
of Mason.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
That's believe me. TV is a bunch of crap. Here
is all it is.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Is advice that we get you your rights.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
That's all it is is. We've you've been given your rights.
You acknowledge that we gave you your rights, were given
your rights. And then the bottom part of it is
that we'd like to talk to you. Now. Here's what
y'all want you to understand.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Before you get into that.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
If there's things that we want to ask you about,
it is going to be your rights after you get
your rights. If there's things you want to talk about,
it you don't want to talk about, okay, it would
behoove you to listen to what we have to say. Okay,
and so and if there's stuff that we ask you
and you do you want to answer, fine, If you
don't want to answer, that's that is your right. We

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want you to know that, but we want you to
have your rights. Everything that's done here is recorded, okay.
So there's not any question about we're putting a line
on you and or he's putting a line on you,
or you you weren't advising your rights, or you weren't
given the proper thing. In a case like this, it's
just normal routine procedure that we want to make sure
it's very clear you understand what your rights are. You've

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acknowledged what your rights are, and then at the bottom
of that, if you want to talk to us and
you understand, the bottom part just says that you'll talk
to us. Doesn't mean you have to answer every question
or to answer what you want. It's just that you're
going to agree to listen to what we have to
say and have a dialogue in conversation with us. As
soon as you sign that, what we'll do is we'll
immediately get to make a copy of it. We'll give

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you a copy you take with you. So there's not
any question about that. Okay. So you don't understand what
that's about. That's just routine, standard operating procedure. That's just
the way it's always done, and that's the way we
have to do it. We have to protect your rights.
And I want you to understand about everybody in law
enforcement or not in law enforcement thinks that you know,

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we're out to do whatever you know, I can't. We
just have to follow the cards that are dealt to us, Okay,
And I can't if you don't tell me something opposite
of what we may ask or what we may think,
and you have an answer, but you don't give it
to me. I'm just as obligated, and so is Detective Kitchens.

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We're just as obligated to take information that you give
and validated as we are any other information we get. Okay,
don't we don't get points, I don't get, we don't
get paid raises for how many years we put people
in deail or hown't even arrestment, it doesn't work that way.
We take the information that's gathered and we work with it.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
That's all it is.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
So that's what that is is your rights. Just acknowledge
that you get your rights, and we'll give you a
copy of it.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
And what I'll do I'll read each one of them
one by one and before I go the next one,
I'll make sure that you understand exactly what that right is. Okay,
So if you want to just read along says I
have a right to remain side not make any statement
at all in any statement I may may be used
against me in my trial. Do you understand what that is?
That's not saying you'll ever go to any trial. These

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are just rights.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
But do you understand it? Right? You understand the right?

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Now?

Speaker 3 (03:57):
You understand it?

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Just initially.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
That's the saying you understand what that right is.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
It's not saying you agree to anything, just saying.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
That you understand it. I understand, okay.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Number two says any statement I may maybe uses evidence
against me in court. So if you understand that one,
just initially, like I said, I'm not saying you ever
go to court on anything. It's just what this is
what the federal government has put out that we have
to allow you to have. Number three says I have

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the right to have a lawyer present to advise me
prior to and during any questioning. Number four says if
I'm unable to employ a lawyer, I have the right
to have a lawyer pointed to advise me prior to
and during any questioning. And number five says I have

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a right to terminate the interview at any time, which
means if you don't want talk to you don't have
to talk to us. The next lince is the above
rights have been read to me. I have read these rights. Also,
I understand and know what my rights are. I means,
if you know what you sign right there.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
What's his signature.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
It says acknowledging that you got your rights and you
understand nothing more than nothing less.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
The bottom says, I have read this statement of my rights,
and I understand what my rights are. I am willing
to make a statement and answer questions. I do not
want a lawyer at this time. I wish to waive
the above rights. I understand and know what I am doing.
No promises or threats have been made to me, and
no threats occursion of any kind has been.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Used against me.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Have you agree to that and agreed to listen to
us or talk to us? Just sign the bottom.

Speaker 7 (05:53):
So nowadays, well.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Day, do you have any questions you want to ask us?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
I'm from Yeah, I feel free.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Yeah, a lot of questions. I just, you know, very
ready to get back home.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Maybe no, I mean, if you have a question, would
have been what happened?

Speaker 2 (06:36):
I can't think of anything right now. A lot of
things going on in my head right now. No, I really,
right now, I just can't think of anything that I'll
be interested in asking you guys a little bit, then
you know what's going on?

Speaker 3 (06:49):
What was your relationship? Tell us about your nature of
your relationship.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Your daughter, she's my daughter.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (06:58):
You stuff together?

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Oh yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
We didn't have a.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
Traditional father daughter relationship.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Started working at the waterfront, me hind grand stayed at
the house together. We had a I actually talked to
Britain one time. Yeah, I told her, I said, you know,
I say, I jeal fault. I should have been here.
A lot of things that you're going through. Its not
really all your fault. I look at it like it's
my fault.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
When you said to think she was going through what
we were.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I mean, I don't know how you guys fee about
the gay community, but I actually had to embrace that
because you know, that's what it, That's what she was,
you know.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
I I mean kind.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Of it was either accept that or don't have your
daughter at all. So you know, I kind of it
kind of grew on. Yeah, she's my daughter, so.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
You know, yeah, sometimes it's hard to ship.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
Well, I mean, call me hypocrite.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't like gay dudes, or I don't mind two women,
not that I'm saying them ticket balls and you see
girls on their.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
So I mean, it's just one of those things.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Like I said, if it grew on me, I learned
the accept that I accepted Crystal. She used to call
me daddy.

Speaker 8 (08:58):
Uh h.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I used to make references concern. Yeah, man, I got
my grandmother and my two girls at home. You know,
I say something like that.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, how about Crystals little one? You get along with her?

Speaker 5 (09:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, she was sweet. They just called her dumping.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
She's sweet, she's a good, she's talkative, a little girl,
can talk.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
I call her dumpling. Yeah, she's she's sweet.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Well, these kids nowadays, they don't miss anything.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
You know, No, pretty sure, pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
I got five year old kids on on laptop.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Now done stuff being in the laptop. What's going on
with Britain's laptop?

Speaker 4 (09:43):
We still got it. Yeah, we're gonna go into it.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
And I thought you guys already did that. No, we've man,
we've been burning. I mean, I ain't in a rush
to get it back, just if it helps the.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Well, the thing about a lot of stuff like that
is it requires cores, orders and then we you know,
not everybody, just we talked about computers, not everybody has
the wherewithal to do that. So that we have a
special lab in Houston that that's all they do is
computers for any kind of cases, whether it be murder

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cases or chopp or identifications or whatever. And they're the experts, okay,
And if there's hidden stuff in there that we can't get,
they they do that and they can textify as experts
in court. So normally we go through the process and
then we get it delivered up to them and they
extract everything from it and then we give the little
laptop itself back and then we apparently able to keep

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the documents out of it. And that's pretty much like
on anything. It's like we do on DNA and everything else.
That goes to a lab somewhere and there's some some
expert that has to deal with it. So yeah, so
that's that's the deal with the laptop. I think the.

Speaker 6 (10:55):
Paperwork has been submitted, get it, take it up there,
so probably will probably go up there.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Once that. Get it. Don't take no time to get
it everything, don't it makes you be on there.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
What do you think happened to your daughter?

Speaker 5 (11:15):
Well, based on what protect the kitchens have been shared
with me.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
H h.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
The best scenario that I've heard was the morning that.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
They left and maybe they went to the convenience or whatever,
you know, Like I said, that's not all. That's not
out of the ordinary for her to do that. Run
to the store, grab a coke or grab a cigarelloes
or whatever. She grabbed it, come right back now, that's normal. Uh.

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When we were riding down color he said something to
the effect of during that time might have been when
they were uh, I don't know the term he used,
a cost of or something, so that that made the
best sense to me, because, like I said, when I
looked at the the truck was gone, but the little

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girl was there, and me and Granny were still there.
And I didn't think nothing of it because, like I said,
that's normal for him to run come right back. And
I knew they had to come back because that little
girl was there.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
When how Alton did the little girl spend the night
all the.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Time, all the time, all the time, overnight, all the time.
If Christal didn't have to work, Uh, the girl, the
little girl was there. I mean, that was they little
that was their little family, you know.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
Yeah, I just just worn often she she actually stayed
over there.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Crystal's parents when she has to work, Crystal, I have
to work, And I guess it's Brennan. Brennan is not
able to people because she didn't really keep for that
if unless Crystal, unless Crystal was there, right, I can
only maybe maybe remember.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
Maybe one or two times Brittany actually had the girl.
Maybe maybe, Like I said, that's that's not a normal, So.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
It wouldn't be normal. You said, it's not routine for
Brittany to have.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Her aloone she she would have a I can I
can remember maybe once or twice.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
It might have happened more than that. A lot of
times I'm not at home.

Speaker 8 (13:28):
Yeah. Uh.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
We work overnight at the waterfront. Sometimes I don't come home.
But anyway.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Alongshoreman, Yeah, yeah, which dogs do you work?

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Bayport? Barber's cut?

Speaker 2 (13:41):
I worked the cruise line last week down in Bayport?

Speaker 5 (13:49):
Uh city? Do I think got one through thirty two
docks down now?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
So?

Speaker 5 (13:54):
Yeah, And it's hard because my senior or is not bid. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Down there, it's got a lot more lay the land
on the waterfront. I mean that's where it has been here.
Why do you think what would be your thought? Why
would somebody want to do this today?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I've been asking myself that question too. I don't I
don't know if beeny enemies that they have. I mean
I hear them, you know, have they little whatever they have,
But that's normal.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
My husband and wife ll have their little chips or whatever.
But I've been asking that same question.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
What about in that home you said them them two
bedrooms belonged to Britney. One of them the store closed
in and.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
The little room is where they kept their clothes at
in the in the walk back bedroom.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
Yes, all three of 'em slept at.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
And Grandma had that one bigger right there? Yeah, land, okay,
where which one would your room?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
I would sleep probably in the den, sometimes in the den,
or probably sleep in Grandy's room sometimes if she wasn't
you know, she sure, But other than that, you know,
I didn't.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
I didn't mess around in.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Their room, right and at that bed that middle bedroom
they closed and stuff wasn't always on that I'd sleeping.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Now, So might of your room is a den area.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Between Granted's room and in the middle room, you know,
I just okay, okay, Well.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
Let's go back to Wednesday night. You said they were there.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
At the house.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
Wednesday night.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Would that be the fifth m.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Hm, yeah, the night of the faith early morning sixth.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Okay, so yeah, they went home Wednesday night because because
wait a minute, I don't know what date that was,
but that following morning think you asked me that.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
Yeah, I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Wednesday morning on Thursday morning, which was the sixth Thursday morning,
was okay, that's.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
That's the morning that the Lillah came by.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
But then that before they spent the night there.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
At the house, and the night before that too, I
think I'm not mistaken, okay, and probably was the night
prior to that. I mean, I wouldn't answer those questions,
but I wasn't really paying attention to that. You know,
if they were there, I just know what they keep in.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Mind if we ask you something you're not exactly sure
that that's I mean, that's that's what we're doing, is
just trying to get Nobody punches the time card in
now their house, so we understand it. You know, just
just this is recent stuff and that you know, if
you remember, find if you don't.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
So it could have been the prior four days. I
wouldn't say it was like that because I guess the
girl had to go to school.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
But they were there.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Yeah, you know, we munched out. They were there at
that time, and that's where they slept. And you said
that morning you got up about six or seven and.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Were getting ready.

Speaker 5 (16:54):
Don't quote me on the time, but that's just.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
It's about that was a normal morning. It was just
there was nothing not of ordinary about that morning. They
were getting up, running around, getting ready to Britams, getting up,
getting dressed the little girl. But Chris was getting up
dressing the little girl. Uh, they were Me and Graham
were sitting in the kitchen.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
And were you awake before them or did you say
I usually get up before everybody?

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Okay, so you were awake before I usual? I usual
look it up about I'd usually get up at three
am if I'm going to work, because I got to
catch the bus to work.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
Okay, so I usually leave the house maybe about three
forty five two.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Year and a half of just waking burn.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
So yeah, yeah, military times as if.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Okay, so you get up pretty early.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Well, I don't know exactly what time I but I
know I was up. I was up when Granted rolled
herself out of her room and I was walking through.
I think I was getting ready to brush my teeth
or wash my face or something like that. And uh,
the girls were up, but they wouldn't They hadn't come
out the room or something to that fact. Something that
like I said, I wasn't really just paying attention to

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every detail. I'm trying to have to guys at I
wasn't trying to. I wasn't pay attention to every detail.
And like I said, it was a normal morning. You know,
sometime we book in each other going into the restroom.
Sometime I beat them to it. You know, sure, Well,
who do you think.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Would be calling them from the house at one o'clock,
two o'clock in the morning that same.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
Morning, calling them from our house?

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
You still I understand that question. At one o'clock in
the morning.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
At one sixteen in the morning, two or nine in
the morning, and two ten in the morning that very morning,
they were supposed to be asleep, and.

Speaker 6 (18:43):
They were receiving calls on her phone from the house
to the house phone.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
I don't know, we don't know that. Maybe that was
not not at home like I thought they were. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
The first call was they weren't home, Granny, damn sure
wouldn't be called.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
And I don't use the house phone. I don't use
the house phone, not unless it's like, you know, my
phone's on the charger something.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
So they called it. Somebody from our house called them.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
On the phone inside the house, a hardline phone. Three
phone calls, starting at one a little after one o'clock
in the morning, go all within a few minutes of
each other, were made. Two phone Brittany's phone, and one
of those calls looked like probably just a hangout, but

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one of them there was conversation because it was a
fairly lengthy call.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
It was what four or five minute long?

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Can y'all get like a recording the book? I don't know.
Maybe I want to say my grandmother, because I don't
use the house phone. Now, if Brittany wasn't at home,
I don't know. She might have been checking on them,
because she does that if we're not at home. Sometimes
she just called. But I'm almost certain they were at home,
So I don't I don't see how that's.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
What would you see grandma of one thirty on the
phone in the morning.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
On the phone, No, Grannie, Grandy's usually in the bed,
probably maybe about ten.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, because we talked to her about it, she said
that she could have no idea. She said the damnsure
wouldn't her. She was pretty out of her. You know,
she's she's down, she's out for the night, she's out
for not Oh.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
No, there's that length of time on those phone. Yeah, yeah,
three of them within how many minutes of each other?
Just a couple of minutes.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
One of them was at one sixteen, the next one
was almost an hour later, and then the nation was
one minute later.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
That doesn't make any sense. There's nobody else in the
house with me, and granted, and I wouldn't call him
that time.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
The morning, we've definitely came from that house.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well, okay, I'm just taking a stab in the door.
Maybe maybe one of them used the phone and test
they ring tone out or something. I mean, I got
a special ring tone on my phone, right not sart
one in five. I've actually called my phone to listen
to it.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
I could go with that if but I don't.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
I don't think, like I said, I'm just taking a
stablished I don't know.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Yeah, one that that's a possibility by a five minute conversation,
that's not I don't know. You know, you sit here,
look at your watch. Five minutes is a long time.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I guess is as good as mine or one. And
I don't check up on Brittany like that, so I
know I didn't make that because I don't. I don't
do that though, I don't check up on it like that.
There's nothing for them to come in from Poppa Doze
at two or three and o'clock in the morning with
a Poppado's bag and I'd be like, hey, really y'all
went out.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
To eat and she was like, yeah, Dad, I forgot
to get you something. But as far as that.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Would it be a possibility that one or the other
of them would leave and Brittany would be calling Crystal
or Crystal calling Brittany.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
I doubt that.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
I'm not saying I'm not ruling that out, but but
not every time. I usually see them leave together. Brittany
the leaves by herself hm and leaves Crystal there. I've
never seen Crystal take the truck and go without, so
you know, I don't know about that.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
The next call that was made to her phone after
those times, was it one for nine in the afternoon,
and then another one following that.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
In one both.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
I think that's when. I think that's when, because Granted
called me.

Speaker 8 (22:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
I think shortly when when Dahlia had got there, I
little I think she called.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
She did call me cause she said, uh, where are you?

Speaker 2 (22:32):
I said, I'm around the corner at the park and
I was working out hit the track a couple of times.
She said, uh, they hadn't came back, so and the
apartments right across the right, across the color. So I
came right back to the house and a hund the
log was sitting in the kitchen and they said they
hadn't came back to hit the little girl pro take
her to school.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Did you ever call them, trud to Are you in
touch with her?

Speaker 5 (22:59):
No, you never did, granted say she called and I
listened to what she had been saying.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
I figure, okay, you know, granted car she don't answer
the phone for probably for granted you know before she
was me and I don't use I won't usually call
Brittany's phone because when she goes to work, she don't
know cell phone, right, she don't phone. She'll tell you
I'm at work, and you know I can't talk on
the phone. The same way at the waterfront and right,
we can't have phone calls down there. Either they catch

(23:25):
you with their piece or the phone they cut you off.
Now you got me wondering about this phone call at
one o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Well, these are all part of the pieces of the
puzzle we're trying to put together.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Like I said, I got to urge one in fire
ring Tomas. Right when I set that up, I actually
didn't use the house phone, just to hear what it
sounded like. Whenever people call my phone, or you might
have heard it when you call anyway. I mean, I've
done that. But five minutes. I can see what you're
saying about.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
That makes sense. I don't know second, ten seconds or
hang on call, that's one thing. But you know that's
five minutes. That's a conversation.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
Okay, that's what you know.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
I mean on the phone. That's actually a pretty good conversation.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
Okay, Well, no one else is in that house, but.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Us does the five year old how to use the phone?

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Oh cool? Yeah, oh yeah, she know the phone, nubers
and everything now, and we have to tell her not
to use the house phone.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
You don't go.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
She go on the ice box when she gets ready
at her grandparents house, but we don't. We don't do
that at our house. You know, kids have their ass
cet a certain name if you want something.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
So yeah, but she knows how to use that phone.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
Yeah, turn TV on, remote control, laptop, you name it.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
She got.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
She's a smart little girl.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Yeah, there's so there's some mails for that stuff. Tell
you in a video game too.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
Yeah you think, uh, you're thinking that the little girl
may like that phone.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
About always possibility. No, I'm in that. I'm in that
middle room sometimes and I can hear the little goings
and comments. I hear them. There's a creek right down
where you step, right in front of the bathroom there,
so you can hear somebody walking down the allway because
it creeps every time. Now, if you live in that
house and you don't want nobody to hear you, you
will step over that. If I'm in that middle bedroom,

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hum and Brittany.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Come out of that room. While everybody come out of
that room, and like you've seen, it's only a curtain
out there.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'll hear that. No, we don't know, none of usself
will try to avoid it. You know, I didn't hear anything.
I didn't hear nobody leave that night for somebody to
be calling and talk to five minutes.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Do you ever have any do you ever have anyboddies
that you have friends of your stay over?

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Uh m hm.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
He used to stay over there. He used to stay
at the house. He would help Brandy out, he would
cut the grass, marsh the car or stuff like that.
When the last time he's been over.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
The last night last night.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
That the count for your right every day, every day.
You know the house better than I do. I was,
I come out the room, I come out the room.
I knew I heard somebody come. He come through the
bathroom window. This was this was over two years ago.
I had come home and I heard something in the bathroom.
I said, sure, sound like somebody coming through here. And uh,

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when I got up, I looked around, didn't see him.
I went back to bed, woke up the next morning
and he was in the house.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
That's how did you get in there?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
You know, I come through. My grandmother used to letting
me in all the time because he don't have any
web to stay.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
That bathroom window, if you go that right now.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
It doesn't lock. It's the only weakness in the house.
And nobody knows that but me and him. So yeah,
the little locks on the window don't work. They don't
They don't engage as far as locking, right, so you

(26:59):
can just pull it up and put it down whatever.
Since this thing has been happening, what about beforehand? He
was coming around me. That's my little cousin.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
Thirty. I don't know, I'm not sure. Thirty, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Early thirties, mid early thirties, yeah, early mid thirties, So
you don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
I have a running place and lay down versus his family.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
They lived like six six blood. His dad's name is.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
So he woke his dad. Dad put his straining on
over so he can't come to the house. But you
know how mothers loved it. She sneaks to me in
every now and then tried to put his hands on
it shot his daddy. Daddy didn't die. I guess the

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court checked the records and scene where he had stabs
what the daddy has stabs charges on Scott in the past,
and they routed it out as like a self defense tank.

Speaker 5 (28:27):
So he didn't get no time for that. So uh
huh m hm.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
So you're about the only other family he's got the
light somewhere.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
He stays with my aint Lucid. Sometimes she lives down Color.
She spends the night at our house. She every everybody
in the family. We let him and I even told
him one time. I said, man, you know what you can.
You can crash out here, but you can't move back in. No,

(29:01):
I don't want to live with no bro lass man
me excuse my friend.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
You know I want I.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Just want me my I just wanted my grandmother and
my daughters and they I was cool with that.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
There's some nasty car I ain't gonta drink that ship.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
And get used to it?

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, just killed I get it in the man.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
How much long were we going to be doing this?

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I don't know, Tom, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
Because my mother I know she I don't ain't no anyway.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
There was there were some people there too. There were
some people. Were you worried that we were back of
the house today today? No?

Speaker 5 (29:42):
I left this morning.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
We went to the My mom came and picked me
up this morning and we went to uh. We went
to the cemetery we was trying to We got some
fundraising money that we were supposed to pay fifteen hundred
for the opening clothes.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
Ah. Then we went to the church to do the no.
Then we went to Jay C.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Pennies that picked that brick clothes for Brittany, and then
we went to the funeral room.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
How do you think? And we're asking somebody questions because
I'm gonna tell you I've been doing this for a
long long time.

Speaker 6 (30:15):
Okay, this is not my first rodeo by any means.
I mean, I've been working homicides for thirty five years,
and there's bad cases and hard cases and bizarre cases,
and this is a bizarre case. It's just a lot
of unusual things, and I'm just having this horrible time

(30:38):
of wrapping around my head.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
How on God's green earth did some of that wood
in that blind, faint little blind that was up on
the front of that house, that's been off of that
house for a long time, obviously wind up with those
girls bodies? I cannot grasp how on Jesus Christ Earth

(31:03):
can that happen? Tell me your what's your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (31:10):
I can't make sense of that.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Oh I can't either. I can't either. There's other stuff
that was there with those two girls, remains that came
from that house, from that house, that car she had

(31:33):
had for three days, four days when she disappears. So
it's not like when you got a car. I mean,
I got a car at home I've had for years,
and I got crap in it. Okay, I mean everybody
gets crap in it. But how do you have a
brand spanking new car and he winds up with a
bunch of crappy ass old lumber and ship from inside

(31:55):
the house, kids stuff and everything else. How does that
shit wind up in that car and wind up out
on the scene with this these two girls bodies. I can't.
I'm I'm I'm blowed away by this what you're getting.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
I believe what you thought about it. I believe they
had that car for more than three or four days.
They had that car like a week and a half.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
They got it the previous Saturday on paper, They got
it Monday on paper, they got the car. They gave
him the car to drive Saday.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
When they got it.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
Cause when I came home.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
The Saturday we sold. We drove it around Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
six days, okay, six days because they were supposed to
go back Friday with the remainder of the down payment
to get the final paperwork cleared up on the truck.
The card.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
News to me, I thought they made the whole down payment.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
No, they held them five hundred dollars Okay, that Wednesday.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
Night they kept. Uh.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
They did have some some of the back bags and stuff,
and Brendan carries this this Jordan backpack. So as far
as stuff being in the truck, I've seen some of
the stuff in the truck, so I know they had
items in the truck. The girl's overnight bag. Uh, they
always had that that would always.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Move in Crystal went back to get the grid.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
When the girl comes op, she always got this little
overnight bag, little backpacks.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
Yeah, I think I think.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
The little girl had a back I finally want to
bring his backpacks in her room. Had her laptop and
her taser in it, and I called him and he
came to pick it up.

Speaker 5 (33:31):
In the back they got. It's a backpack at the house.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Now, yeah, she.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Got almost like a purse or something.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Right, Well, I'm trying to I heard the you know,
the volume he was using, and you said, you can't
figure out how how this wood got it. That wood
was not in that vehicle.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Again Wednesday night, that wood was not in that vehicle.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
Okay, how do we know that?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Because there in another witness.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
That looked at the vehicle and it wasn't that was there.
I mean, my god, you know, how do you how
do you hide being in the back of that little
car is not that very big and it's all open glass.
How do you hide a piece of old piece of
wood about that big?

Speaker 5 (34:12):
I mean, your guess is as good as mine, you know.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
So it wasn't like it was hidden in there no
place to hide it. But it winds up on the
scene out there. What's their connection to to Gallus and
or poor Bottler? How would they wind up over there?
How do you think their bodies.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Would wind up over there?

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Did they know somebody down there or how they were?

Speaker 5 (34:40):
No, I'm not I don't know anything about that.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
But ever since I came home, we've been Brittany and
I have been talking about getting us a vehicle to
make a little easier on us.

Speaker 5 (34:52):
We're gonna get us a vehicle and we're.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Going to go to gas and by the time Brad
Granted his birthday get around here, we're going to take
it to Gaps and weather. That didn't work out like
that because cousin Cora came and took Granted took Galveston
for her birthday, which was February to twenty sixth.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Because Granny was actually raised in Galveson or born to Galveston.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
We always come, we always yeah, but we don't come
we come to Galveston.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
We said we were gonna come to Galveston, is you know,
do the little thing?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
And Granted wanted to come to Galveston. So Cora, I
mean Cora came and picked Granny up and brought her
down here for her birthday, and I think shortly after
that is when they got their car.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
If I remember correctly.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Uh, we were all you know, this is only what
I've been going over in my head that maybe they
you know, but it still don't make sense that they
would want to go down there like that. You know,
We've always been planning on going to Galveston.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Is there anybody that they run with that they go
down and party in Galveston with?

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Actually they're having a party right now when when we
left the memorial, they're doing a fundraiser for Bridge in
Crystal at this club, this Gate club where they go,
where they used to go, And that's where I was
headed when the detectives asked me to come to gallas
Ah as far as partying go, you know, that's where
they're going.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
That's how do you know the name of the club?

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Is that it?

Speaker 5 (36:18):
That's where they That's where they at.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Now, what we.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Can't get is that, you know, it's apparently the evidence
on the same points right back to your home. The
shutter they count from your home, the tram count from
your home, the mail in the vehicle they're on the
scene in the vehicle down from your home, the unexplained

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part is where that shutter was before.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Nobody's going to carjack two people and then go back
by the house pick up some scrap lumber. It's not
going to happen. Nobody's going to grab them to sexually
assault them, or to rob them or whatever it could be,
and take them back home to get a piece of
scrap lumber. There's just not any There is no reasonable

(37:18):
logic in the world for that to happen. So what
the detective is we're getting at is our here's our dilemma.
Is everything about this case.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
He sat at the house.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Points back to the house. It originates at the house.
Everything about this case originates at the house. So we
have to keep we have to answer and get these
questions answered as to why that rules out the pieces
of wood, because there was other pieces of scrap stuff

(37:53):
there too. The other stuff that was there, I can
understand how some of that, how that would be in
the car, not that, Yeah, some clothes or there was
some little stuff that wants a little girl, you know,
some of those little things like that, I can't understand
how it gets in a car. But the scrap number,
there's no there is no rhyme or reason. There is

(38:17):
no possible logical explanation how they got in that car
as a result of any of the criminal acts somewhere else,
be it a carjacking, or be it whatever, for that
to be in there. I mean, they weren't taking it
out to go get paint samples to repaint the house.

(38:37):
We know that. So that's what everything takes us back,
that this crime somehow originated at that happened. Give me
some other explanation to take get me direct, give me
take me away from that, Give me something to get

(38:58):
me off of that. Point me in some direction. Help
me here.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
I can't fill that gap in at the house. At
the house, So what can you tell us about the house,
like the trim? Anything, nothing, nothing, nothing like that.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
You understand that that when we.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Do our job, we're very extremely, extremely thorough, and we
do have one of the best forensic departments around.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
So give it. Give us something such as anything.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
An explanation, give us, give us something to work right here.
Give me something that's gonna a lot. Give me some
logic that will take this crime originating somewhere else besides
Halter Street. Can you can you give me something?

Speaker 5 (39:56):
No, you have to help me with that one.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Wow, I'm fiction to help you. Okay, were you worthy?
We were back out there today?

Speaker 5 (40:05):
No, When I left this morning with my mom, we
went running errands.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Ok yeah, let me add to that. But you're proudly
not awhere is we're still out there today.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Can you explain?

Speaker 2 (40:24):
As I said, he got to wanted, so I figured
somebody was already there.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
Yeah, yeah, we were waiting for the walk.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Can you explained to me how if you don't know
anything about the board and you hadn't seen that board
or anything connected to any of that, can you explain
to me how your print wound up on some of that.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
Over there where those bodies were recovered and pull the ball.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
The scene the scene. Can you explain to me why
or how in your room where you stay that that
carpet throughout that room and furniture throughout that room is

(41:26):
saturated with fresh blood. Can you explain that to me?
Can you explain that to me? Because I'm going to
tell you right now, they've got a trucks load of
ships that they've hauled out of that fucking house, and
there's blood everywhere in your room, fresh blood everywhere in

(41:53):
the room. So you give me a reason why that
crime did not originate in that house?

Speaker 5 (42:00):
Well, how could that happen when I was well?

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Can you also give a reason why the sheet that
was wrapped around your daughter's head as its match on
your clothes at that house?

Speaker 5 (42:17):
The sheet?

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Yeah, James, we've got everything. When I've told you we're
still out there, that's because there is so much they're
still out there.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
How could that have happened from the time when I
left and just came right back when she called me?
What time is that thing that she called me? Because
that's the only time I was gone, and that wasn't
that long?

Speaker 5 (42:45):
What is it? What time is that?

Speaker 4 (42:46):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (42:47):
The morning that they left, when my grandmother called my phone.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
Eight three two eighty nine, four thirty two thirty four,
she said.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
I don't have your phone. I have Britney's phone.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Okay, Well they got my phone. How could that have
happened from that short time when I wasn't when I
was there, and that it happened that night that evening, No.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
I couldn't happening, not that evening.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Well, I can tell you something else, and I'm going
to share you a little experience with with you.

Speaker 5 (43:16):
Okay, So somebody come in the house.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
While that murder started in that house, that murder started
in your room. That's what I'm telling you. That murders
started in that room.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
And my sheet off the off the couch is saturated
with my daughter's blood.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Exactly what we're telling you. That murder them girls started
right there in that room that you sleep in every day.
There's ship in that room that's broke that wasn't broke

(43:54):
a couple of days ago. There's a crap outside that
was cleaned up that was there prior to the murder
that's gone. There's a whole bucket loadership that we know
that leads everything. So the murder originated inside that house. Period.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
The only window I'm thinking about nine from the time
I looked after they left, and then I left and
came back when my grandmother called me and said that
they hadn't returned.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
That's the only window I can think.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
James, you're you're kind of getting decide to point you're
you're steering away from.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
What we're talking about.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
We're not talking about a window now, and we're not
talking about what time they left that morning, Okay, We're
talking about Thursday evening, right there in your room, we're
talking about your friends and your evidence on that scene
out there. On what on the scene where we found
the bodies.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
On the truck.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
I'm not telling you where we were founding.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
Could have been on the trucks.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
It was on the scene.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
The only thing I could think of is on the
you know truck. I guess because truck is there.

Speaker 9 (45:09):
You know.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
That's not happening.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
How do you explain the damage on that stuff in
the room. There was obviously some kind of skirmish in
that room, and you've been back there since all that
You've been back to that house and staying in that
house since that ship was damaged. How can you not
notice it and explain it?

Speaker 2 (45:31):
How? Why Why weren't we told about it?

Speaker 4 (45:34):
When I was there asking you about this? Why were
we told about this damage in the bedroom?

Speaker 2 (45:44):
That TV that's in the backyard. You asked my grandmother
you're calling now, and she'll tell you that, uh, Betting
built that television. Ben has tempertentis there's a lot of
items around that house. That's my grandmother. Tell you calling
down and ask them while I was gone, bring into
the hammers and knocked holes in the water.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
What about the lamp and everything that's broken your room?

Speaker 2 (46:11):
That lamp has been broke, the glass table with a
little shaky shaky thing.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
That's that's been like that. How long years.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
We've talked to other people, James?

Speaker 4 (46:24):
What happened out there that evening?

Speaker 2 (46:27):
This is your daughter? What happened? That's what we're trying
to find out.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
I know when you get a lot of answers you're
not wanting to give.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
I mean, what are we supposed to what do you
want to do here? We have to deal with the
cars that have dealt us.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
I don't want you all to look at I don't
want y'all to look at me as a suspect.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
What are we supposed to look at it?

Speaker 3 (46:44):
James?

Speaker 4 (46:46):
It's your bedroom, it's your house, it's supt from your house,
and and it's and it's evidence from you on the.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Scene somebody else. Are the family involved in this? In
your cover for.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
I gotta ask no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
I mean the list if you said the sheet that
was that I slept on was you know.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Your room was saturated in blood? Your rooms not even
will be there because we're bringing it here. It's saturated
in your daughter's.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Blood everywhere in that room.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
There's blood.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
There's there's places of plug.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Your loves, your clothes all over the furniture. There ain't
gonna be no furniture left in that room.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
That place like there's enough blood in there to fill
a blood bank. Like a war zone in there. There's
a goddamn war zone. His blood on every place there,
looking there's blood.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
I give it.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
I'm just telling you. Give me something here, buddy. What
what are we supposed to do here?

Speaker 2 (47:53):
What started all of?

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Something happened there on Thursday evening?

Speaker 2 (47:56):
What started it?

Speaker 3 (47:59):
They put a gun on you?

Speaker 2 (48:00):
This is your daughter. No one pulled a gun on me. No,
And I hadn't rid of my daughter.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
This is your daughter.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
What happened?

Speaker 4 (48:08):
You were at that house?

Speaker 5 (48:09):
Out of I'm always at the house.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
What happened?

Speaker 5 (48:15):
There was nothing happening Thursday night, Yes, sir, I mean
Wednesday night.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
I didn't say Wednesday night. I said Thursday night. And
them girls come back to that house. Thursday night was
a sixth Yes, they.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Came back to that house.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
And let me tell you something else, Okay.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
James, they did. There's no no about it.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
They did.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
I've got one hard of evidence. You cannot argue with that.
They came back to that house Thursday night.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
And all hell broke loose for some reason or another.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
And it broke loose in your room.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
All the little rugs moved around everything to cover all
the blood spots on the floor.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
The carpet, right, that's just coming here. It's gonna be downstairs.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
They've already got it. They've cut all the carpet out
of that whole frigging room. They got pieces of all
the furniture, They got pieces of furniture, they got everything.
I'm telling you, there's a there's a lot of war
zone in there. I mean, I'm I've been working home size.
I've been just shootings and everything else some and you
might have a little blood here or a little blood
over there, and that's it. There's fucking blood everywhere. It's

(49:25):
like for every piece of thing they turn over in there,
there's some fresh blood. And this is fresh blood. This
ain't old blood. This is fresh blood. Okay, it's fresh clothes.
Give me something.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
You said, something said it was in the den. That's
a lot of my clothes in the den.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Yeah, I know. On some of your shoes.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
One of your shoes my shoes are wreaked there by the.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Cat blood behind there's there was blood.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
It was.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
It's crazy. It's like every time they dug up something
or moved something, they found more blood. They cut the
carpet up and it's saturated in blood. How lords earth
can anybody explain that that's your room and.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
You've been in and out of there since this, and
you've been out of there some way you hadn't seen
it that you can say that. I don't know. I've
never seen it in there.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
I ain't seen no blood spots in that. They're all
over the place.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Your floor is black, big spock black, or it's all
over the carpet, or you pull the carpet up it
has already soaked through.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Did somebody in your family do this?

Speaker 5 (50:35):
I have no idea. I don't know. I'm dumb.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Well, I mean, because we can't we can't say it's
a homicide suside, because they can't kill one of the
one or the other and to kill themselves and love
themselves in the back of the goddamn truck.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Okay, I'm not saying it was. I'm not I'm not
saying I'm trying to make sense of what you guys
are telling me.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
No, but I'm just saying you can't. You can't be
that because the bodies had to get over the h.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
No, they didn't come home Thursday.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
I know they came home at evening. They were killed
right there in your room.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
I was home that evening.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Yeah, I believe that.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Something happened.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
It happened right there in your room.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
James.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Let me tell you something. We got to we got
to have something. If you're if you want us to
believe that, you've got.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
To get Okay, Okay, hold up, hold up, hold up,
hold up. If you checking her phone things, uh, the
activity on her phones maybe okay, Thursday from Thursday morning,
I got it right here. Okay, there's no.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
She didn't make any more alt calling numbers from what time.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Her phone wasn't getting anything by the middle of the day.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Okay, Yeah, she she did her last down go and
call was the three forty nine in the morning.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Okay, three in the morning.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
You said she came home that evening, which sometimes she did.
She phone activity, she was right, there's no phone activity,
but she didn't come home.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
She was killed in your room. She left that morning,
her and her they left. They had they came back,
they left. The liars say they died in that room.
They left that day, that morning, we all agree about
eight thirty, right, okay, okay, and then sometime after that
they died and were killed in your room. They were

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killed in your room. It was like somebody slaughtered a
cow in there and just went around with buckets of blood.
That that happens from a lot of violent activity. That
don't happen. Did you just whack somebody and they fall down?
That was their shift?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Calls from her phone to anybody after that morning? Is
it any activity from crystals phone or from her phone
going to anybody.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Let's don't worry about the phone calls right now.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Well, the reason I'm asking that is because I'm famnar
one hundred cent certain that I was home that night
and they didn't come home.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
But you you saying that.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Number one, I'm not stupid. He's not stupid.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
You're not Okay, now I'm trying to talk.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
There is blood in your room.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
I understand that.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Okay, your daughter's blood is in that room. Do you
understand that there is a formula when you find a
dead body that you can measure by temperature, by time,
by the stature of the body, which is called rigor mortis. Well,
you can tell the time, but it was killed. Do

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you understand that?

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Okay, we can.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
We can take that time back to when your daughter
was killed. Your daughter was killed in your room Thursday evening.
As soon as she was killed, they were loaded up
in that truck along with the stuff that she was
killed around and they were taking to Bolivar and they

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were dumped. I can tell you what time they were dumped.
There's cameras everywhere, James, everywhere.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
We know when the vehicle got on the boat. We
know when the vehicle got.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Off the boat.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
I know when the vehicle went out to the road
from your house. There's cameras everywhere. So I understand that
I heard you when you said that. I know who
wasn't driving that vehicle that evening.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
It wasn't Britney, and it wasn't Christmas.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Then what happened in that house?

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Something bad happened, Something bad happened, really bad happened.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
And you know what, if if I could see right now,
you guys are not gonna believe anything else say if
I tell me something. I have nothing to tell you
a concerning that because I'm almost certain I was home
most of that evening, man, and they were missing that
We called her grandmother to come pick the girl up
because they didn't come back.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
She didn't come home at evening.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
Why didn't y'all call them that evening?

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Initially when they left, I thought, after they was gone
for like a whole day, I'm thinking, Okay, well, maybe
they just you know, they got a new car, they
got little money, and maybe they just let.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Me ask this question.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
Then he said, they're just gonna go out and hang
out on nothing.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
That's what I'm assuming, Okay, And after.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
Five year old child and they never show up, and
nobody bothers trying to get home to them didn't.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
I so if they came back home, uh, why didn't
rist get that little girl or something? You know, they
didn't come because she was dead? This is a name.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Yeah, Oh, we don't disagree with that. There's been a
nightmare for everybody.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
It's a nightmare for me, different from what you guys think.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
I understand that. I understand that there's a big difference here. Okay,
I think it's been a nightmare since the day it happened.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
No, actually, it wasn't a night man, because.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
Let me tell you, let me give you another little
scenario too. All that would and stuff was underneath that
colorport till that night.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
And how do we know this?

Speaker 2 (56:45):
We know it, Okay, I mean at first I'm going
to ask you guys.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
People talk.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Eventually people, I asked, Okay, Okay, I read, I asked,
because early if I asked you guys, something you told me.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
But now I'm asking.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
So we were told, we were told it was there
for other people that know you, they know that they
saw it, that there was stuff out.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
There and saw the stuff there.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Oh, I mean you know, uh, and the stuff's there,
they're killed, The stuff's gone there with their body. I mean,
that's a pretty simple formula there. It went from point
A to point B to point C. Why was it
put in the car with their bodies? We know why
it was putting the car with their body because they

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had evidence on it, blood evidence on it from when
ship was going on moving stuff around out there. And
then of course the area is all nice and clean,
and it's been bleached and cleaned up and there's been
some you know, cleaning going on all the concrete. I mean,

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we know all that, We know all that and we
and we've gathered all the stuff to be able to
go and finish that up. That's not a big deal there.
We know what happened, and we know there was stuff
out there and it was gone. You know, this is
this case. The bizarre things that made it so bizarre

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at the beginning now simplify a lot of things because
those items connect the docks. They make everything happen, They
make everything fall into logic that those girls weren't carjacked
at some store or they want to pull over, they
want to push somewhere else, or robbed or rape or

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whatever the case is. They were killed in their own
frigging house, and they were killed Thursday in their house.
You have been in that room, and I want you
to think about how this looks to everybody. You've been
in that room, sleeping in that room with your daughter's

(59:00):
blood on the goddamn carpet. Jesus, that's horrible, you agreer disagree.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
There's no way the.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
Way you're looking at it, because I didn't know that that.
It's like that. You say, you see them, you.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Can't, you can't miss it. I've seen it since I
walked in there.

Speaker 5 (59:27):
I ain't seen. No, I would see some things. I
would see some all over the house.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
How do you see that? I can think about it
as the sheet that I sleep on. And that's the
one that's on that that's on that couch. If I'm
not in you know, one of the middle room, my
herd room, which is rare, there's a sheet that I
wrapped the pills around because my grandmother's kind of funny.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
But I don't fade my couch, you know, put something
on it on that, you know, uh uh?

Speaker 2 (59:53):
So I I put a I'm gonna tell you what
colored sheet was. It was either brown or green. There
was like a light lime green brown, tannish brown, tannish brown,
like a tan paper sack, brown or green. And I
wrapped that around those three pillows and that on that couch,
the ones that I sleep on. So that's the sheet

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if you if you're asking me, that's the only sheet.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
I'm aware of.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
And where is that sheet today?

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
You just said it was wrapped around what you said.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Was wrapped around their bodies. It was with their bodies
soaked in blood?

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
What happened? What happened?

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
What the hell happened here? Dude? Let me tell you
something you're not a stupid man, and you're not. I
don't see you as a as a as a vicious
man by any means. But I see you a man
as you're gonna stand up for yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
I don't have an issue with that. That's what we're
supposed to do. Something fucking happened in there, Something happened
with them, and you got you got in the middle
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
What happened?

Speaker 5 (01:01:16):
No, I don't get in the middle of they tips.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Well, then you got into something with them or with
something happened here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
To the point where I would No, I don't know.
I'm telling you no, I'm telling you no. That's nothing
to Brittany chill. See that's my mother dog Crystal. No,
not on that scale.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
What would they do to anybody to kill them in
your room? Your grandma didn't do it, the five year
old didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Do it, and you just admitted that you were home.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
So the only other person in that house, in your
room is you, and these two girls are killed there.
There's blood all over that place. M and then the
stuff right outside that door, that was scrap crap that's
been sitting out there forever under that thing winds up

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with their bodies coming out of the back of her car.
I can't.

Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
It's crazy with my prints on it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Your prince is on some of it, yes, sir, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
The only thing I could think my prince would be
on would be one of those bags or something maybe
or the truck itself. But I don't know what the
contents of the truck was other than clothes and the
truck itself.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
I can't help you with that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
That's that's not that's that's not it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
That's not it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Do you understand our dilemma? Explain this to somebody else?
How can we explain? How can we justify to somebody
else that you had nothing to do with this?

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
I mean some of the way you guys are talking.
I already see that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
I've been watching enough TV shows to know that you
guys are looking at me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Well, of course, we're like, ok why why, that's that's
no secret here. We've given you again. We only have
to deal with the cards that are deltas.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
And as to ask some question, it seemed like you
guys can't answer.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
I don't, I don't know, we can't answer that. That's
the whole.

Speaker 10 (01:03:28):
Deal, Okay, Okay, we don't want to stand up on
them because I'm getting.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
And I've been having to use the restroom, so I
need to escort to go to the restroom or what?
But where about you go?

Speaker 9 (01:03:38):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
What does take here?

Speaker 8 (01:03:39):
Just a second?

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
But that's the whole point, Jave is we want to
hear that you get you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:45):
I'm willing to help you, guys, but I need you.
I need you to help me make something. May help
me make some sense.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
And it's the only thing I'm thinking about right now.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
Okay, just being bad with it? Yeah, all right. I
asked you really. I asked you really. I said, the
phone activity.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
All day, all day long, well not all day long,
but we made we make calls. And I asked you,
did any other calls come back from brittany.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Time we were writing this video? You're gonna find that.
I asked you if you called your daughter, and you said.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
No, my grandmother called. Okay, I said, we really trying
to catch me on on.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
I asked you this, answering the question if you called
your daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
When I said we, I meant as all me or
my grandmother. I said, when when we called? That's only
that's all.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
But you didn't. That's this is the whole point I'm
trying to get at. This is your daughter. This is
not great time out. This is not Granny's daughter. This
is James's daughter. You know what I would do if
it was my daughter? What do you think of me?

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
We will probably call and call and now.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
I'd be burning the streets up looking for my daughter.

Speaker 5 (01:05:12):
I understand that my my relationship was bringing might just
be a little bit different from you.

Speaker 11 (01:05:17):
I would say so, yes, James, I'm not gonna be
yes with you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
I'm just not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Okay. You know what happened at that house.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
You know damn well what happened at that house?

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
And let me just like I told you, I'm not stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
He's not neither are you, And playing his cat and
mouse game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Is getting old.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Now we've been there for how many days? Since last Friday? Right,
We've been burning the roads up, trying to get justice
for your daughter, trying to help you and trying to
help your family, and this whole damn time. You know
what's happened at that home. You knew that stuff was

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in your room. There's no way you can't know. I
don't sleep in that room. I don't live in that
house time out, and I can walk in there and
I can see it. Okay, you know, you walk into
a room, you see a lamp on a table that's broke.
My daughter's been killed. There's stuff from this house on

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the scene that might be a clue. Maybe I should
tell that officer about it, unless there's something to hide.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
Or unless it's been like that for a long time,
long before.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
It hasn't been what they gonna do with the blood.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
I live in that room, I know which there's other
people that go to that house too, that said that
lamp wasn't broken.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
What does that have to do with the blood. And
let me tell you something. We found parts of that lamp.
We found parts of the lamp. And there's no way
in hell that that that ship had been laying there
for as long as you say that there's parts of
that lamp, how can it happen. But let's take the
lamp out of the mix. Okay, where did all the

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blood come from? There's blood on the chairs, there's blood
on the couch. There's blood on the carpet. Here, there's
blood on the carpet. There, there's blood on the carpet. There,
there's blood behind the couch. Okay, we got the matching
sheet out of your out of your room, wrapped around
your frigging daughter's heads, soaked in blood.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
In blood on the bottom of your shoes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Okay, we have other stuff that was stuck to that
blanket that come out of your out of that sheets,
come out of that room, stuck.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
On there in different paths in blood.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Unaware.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
You can't be unaware when it gets on the bottom
of your feet.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
Oh I make it sound like I walked through a pool.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Of Yeah, that whole thing was a pool of it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Was Have you got some of it on your shoes?

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
Now I walk through I walked through it with these shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I do.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
Can I go piss?

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
You need a piss? I can't we use the pist
from blue?

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
That's uh ten fifty three? Yeah, take it Christmas?

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
H m hm.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
H m m.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
You know, where's the situation here? Uh we could be
your best friend or your worst animate too, And I
don't want to do that because I have.

Speaker 5 (01:09:59):
Nob you guys have.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Well, we got to have something to contradict what we're
finding here. And if you give me who and you
give me an ex place, who do you think killed them?

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
In that house.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Who do you think when that house and killed him?

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Well you I've just been sitting to him trying to
trying to figure that out. And every time I keep
trying to go back to this situation that I'm thinking about,
you cut me off. You never let me finish. You
never let me finish that I'm asking about that that
phone report. No I going calls from either one of
those phone. No, no phone, It doesn't matter. Okay, we're

(01:10:38):
talking about Brittany, said, Brittany who you say was murdered
in my room? Who a rug was covered up everything,
and I was supposed to see things through a rug.
That you that you just told me the last one
there was no phone that This is the only sense
I'm trying to make it. This think if there was
no phone activity from whatever time that was that morning

(01:10:59):
always through to well heeled, I'm gona take you this.
I'm gona tak something else.

Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
If they went to jail, I said, after the second
day they were missing, the first thing they do is
turn your phone off. Your phone goes straight to voicemail.
It doesn't ring four or five times, and then go
to boysmail. It go straight to boysmail. Their phone kept
ringing because my grandmother kept calling, and she would inform
me what was going on.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Oh no, when we talked to other people, they kept calling.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
They called them okay, So that's what threw me off.
That's why I didn't think they were in jail. So
I didn't think they were in jail. Routine for cell phones,
and I know I can see when they take the kitchen.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Is that I can tell you there was no phone
activity the whole evening, the whole day, and up until
the until now, there was no phone activity.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
There was people trying to have the possibility that you
could be wrong about hold on, hold on. You said,
you're gonna let me finish. If there's no phone activity
from that time of that morning, and I tell you
that they didn't come back home, but until for whenever,
you insist that they came home that evening, which I'm
telling you that didn't happen. Now, if there was no
phone activity, then that might be. That might be.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
How do we explain?

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
Are you done? Can I talk? Can I ask you
a question?

Speaker 5 (01:12:06):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
Okay, you tell me they didn't come home. You tell
me how the hell their blood got in your room?

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
How did that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
No, wait a minute, you said they didn't come back.
How did they get there?

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Well, I was there and the only time that I
wasn't there while they were gone was a portion of
that morning.

Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Now, explain to me you were there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
You just told me you were there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
Okay, you tell me you were there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
One more time.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
You were there? Correct, because I may be hearing this wrong,
and I want to know you were there. Their blood
is in your room, so stands to reason. You know
how I got there?

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
One and one equal too. None of what I just
said made any kind of sense. I mean, it's not
absolutely zero.

Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
I mean no phone activity on all day.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Phone anctivity ain't got nothing to do with it. They
leave the house at eight thirty, they're alive.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
It does to me because if it's if there isn't
any phone activity and none whatsoever from whatever time the
last time was, I'm going from their phone, it's possible
that they never did come back home.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
James.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
They left the house alive. There were two living human
beings when they left the house at eight thirty. You
said that, and Grandma said that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
You're steering away from the top.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
You're steering away from the time out, you're.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
Steering away from the facts of the case.

Speaker 12 (01:13:47):
The facts of the case is their dead blood is
in your room. You head out, undo that. That cannot
be undone.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
It is in your room. Quit steering away from you.

Speaker 12 (01:14:01):
Tell me how it got in your room Thursday night
when you were there, or tell us.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Who killed them, because it happened there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
Don't worry about the damn fuld the hell is phone.
That don't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
You think somebody killed them somewhere else and brought around
there and poured their blood all over the room. I've said,
do you think that could have happened? No, So, the
only other person that's in that house from the time
they're alive to the time their bodies are across that
ferry boat.

Speaker 9 (01:14:33):
Is you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
By your own admission, By your own admission, you're the
only one in that house. By the time they leave
at eight thirty, they're alive and we got their bodies
on the boat. The only person with them. Why as
you the only person at the house, they leave alive
with blood in their body, and in between there, during

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the time you're at the house, you're the only one there.
There's blood all over the house, and I mean a
lot of blood.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
When your daughter was cut open for an autopsy, there
was no blood in her body.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
That's how much blood she lost.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
That's how much blood is in your room.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Human body has seven pints of blood. That don't sound
like a lot, but that's a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
I'm aware of how many.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
And she had no blood in her body. And Crystal
didn't have a whole lot more but she had, she did,
she didn't, and that is simply because she had the
supreme fuck beat out of her.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
And it's all over your room.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Grinny had her fucking brains fucking beat.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
In and by your mission, you were there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
Ship just telling you the facts. We're just telling you
the bald ass, bald ass facts alike. At ain't thirty
in the morning, them two girls are alive, and that
evening they're fucking going across that ferry being dumped murdered.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
James, y'all got into it about something that night. Something started.
I don't think that you're a vicious person, but I
think y'all were sitting there doing something. Y'all got in
the argument about something and it got carried away.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Whether it was a lifestyle argument, whether it was arguing
over some doper. It was arguing over whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
Yeah you don't, I don't, We don't care what the
argument was over.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
You were there.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
You were there when your daughter was killed. You were there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
You just admitted to it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
Well, there had to be somebody you were in that house.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
Somebody's not going to voluntarily walk in and get their
fucking brains beating over whether it's not being some kind
of dispute going on. She's not gonna walk in and
say I love you, daddy hit me in the head.
That ain't gonna happen. Now, there was some fucking head
button going on. It's not funny. But none of this
is funny. None of this is funny.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
This is a huge two human lives that were taken
and taken in your room while you admitted you were there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
I noticed how you keep saying that. But you can
disagree on that time that they went home, that they
came in.

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
Sides approved, sides of pointed out, you cannot disprove it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
You fucking explained that. You fucking explain it. That's your
goddamn fucking daughter's head smashed in. You explained it, You
explained it felt away like a fucking garbage like fucking
garbage like garbage. I don't give a shit what on

(01:18:12):
God's earth either one of them girls did. They did
not deserve that. And damn it, James, you know you
know how your daughter's fucking head. Jesus Christ, that is
your daughter and her significant other.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
And it happened.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
You explain to that five year old. I want you
to explain to that five year old about this that
you say, who's so smart?

Speaker 12 (01:18:50):
Garbage thought away like garbage.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
At a dumpster with your prince there? What happened? What
on God's earth could have been so bad to get
this to this point? If something happened and she went
off on you or pulled a gun on you, then
you know what? Tell us about that? You think we

(01:19:19):
enjoyed dealing with this? Hell, no, you think we enjoyed
got to deal with telling that five year old that
her mama's been murdered. You think we enjoyed telling your
grandma today about all that freaking your blood in that room?

(01:19:40):
What happened, buddy? What happened? What happened? Give us something?
There was a defense going on here. What happened? Everybody?
And this brother is going to watch this someday, And
you know what at to buy time that you have
some morris about what happened to your daughter, to your daughter,

(01:20:11):
and now your daughter has had her goddamn brains beat
out of her. Okay, her friend's got a fucking hole
on the side of her fucking head. You can put
your fist through and then they're thrown away like garbage
at a fucking old, abandoned ass, fucking righty ass, goddamn
hotel at a dumpster. Jesus, what happened? What happened? Buddy?

(01:20:35):
What drove you? What? What created this?

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
What drove what?

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
What created this situation here? How did this happen? I
mean something? Had they really get out of whack?

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Bad?

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Bad James? What happened?

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
You gotta give you gotta curious soul. You're a man
of God, you're a Christian man, put.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
His name at risk?

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
What could drive? And what happened happened? What happened? Did
you pull a gun on you or something? What happened?

Speaker 5 (01:21:19):
My daughter never pulled the gun on bris. Don't even
have a guy that I never would No.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Let me tell you something that you know. We're not
done with this. We're not done. Oh yeah, I'm sorry.
Let me interrupt you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
None of our miss scale, none of our disagreements is
on this scale. Okay, what you'll say.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
What happened?

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
That's insane question I got.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
I don't have an answer, James.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
She was killed in your room. You be there, you
place yourself as the only person there, and she's and
they're killed in your room. There's blood outside the door.
There's blood on the wall in the house. When you

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walk up that ramp, there's some blood on the ramp.
When you walk into the room. There's a bloody shoes
rent right there too. You look on the carpet as
soon as you walk in from the outside of that
little ramp handicap ramp for Grandma, there's droppings of blood
all over. You walk straight towards the kitchen. You take
that carpet back, and god damn, there's a whole pool
of blood there. You step down there there, past the
broken ass lamp and all that shit that's all over

(01:22:44):
the fucking place, and there's blood on the carpet. You
go further room, there's blood.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
On the carpet.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
You go over there buying the couch, there's blood on
the carpet. There's blood on that chair that was in
the room. There's blood on the couch. There was some
shit going on.

Speaker 4 (01:22:59):
There's blood on the road.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
This kind of shit doesn't just happen from a single
blow walk up behind somebody in ambush. That just didn't happen.
There was some crap going on here. You realize how
many as whooping scenes that I've been to and murders
I've been to, and I've never seen anything just spread out.
There's much in a room.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Five strikes to your daughter's head, five of.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Them, five and James five. That ain't that ain't just
a defensive blow. That's somebody fuck. There's something going wrong.
Somebody's angry. That's personal. Well, who did did Crystal do it?

(01:23:58):
Did you kill Crystal? Did she kill Crystal and you
killed her?

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Did you have any kind of relationship with Crystal?

Speaker 5 (01:24:13):
Told you man, I feated them. I feated it how
like she was my daughter.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
I'm just asking stranger things.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
About I treated her like she was my daughter. I
even called she called me dad, I called her Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Well, there wasn't a homicide suicide here because they had
to get into get loaded up somewhere. Who loaded them up? Okay,
what happened here?

Speaker 8 (01:24:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
What happened? Did you say?

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Oh? You no doubt about that?

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
And you were there as you say.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
We had pictures would show you. But they're still out
there working the scene. But there's enough blood in a
finger slaughterhouse. Come, oh, man, get it. You need to
clear your soul here, You need to clear your soul.
Let me tell you something else. Was what I was
gonna say a minute ago. Would you start to say something,

(01:25:08):
I don't want to rupt you. We're not done here.
We're not done here. Okay, by no means are we
done here? And we're going to work this and continue
to work this to the very end. Okay, But I
want you to understand something here. I want you to

(01:25:29):
understand that the better things are and the easier things
for us to do the right thing and put closure
to all this, the easier it makes our job to
do all this and to work with the families, the
easier it is for everybody involved, and that includes you.
Do you understand what I'm saying? Okay, So we need

(01:25:54):
what's done is done. You can't change this. You can't
change this. You cannot change this. So we've got to
move forward and do the right thing and put closure
to this thing. We've got to answer some questions. We've
got to give some family some questions what happened here,
so they can understand what happened here. Crystal's family deserves it,

(01:26:19):
Britney's family deserves it, and that little girl, damn sure
deserves the answer what happened here? Help us. We're not done.
We're not done here. We're not done. We're nowhere near done. Okay,

(01:26:43):
we're nowhere there done with this. And just as people
have already told us things that we would know for sure,
now we're going to find out more. So it would
be best for you to draw the first shot. Here
is what's going on and what happened. They didn't, but

(01:27:07):
they were. So we can nothing we can do to
change the wrongs that happened here. There's nothing we can
do to change all the shit that we found in
your room. There's nothing we can do to change that.
There's nothing we can do to change this. We can't
bring them back. Okay, So we got to try to
smooth this out and get some answers here. Man, we

(01:27:27):
got to have some answers here. What triggered it is?
You know a lot of things. Once we understand what
triggers things and how they happen, then you know there's
there's times in most anybody to say, you know, I've
been mad enough for something like sounds I could have
done that myself. Okay, so we're trying to make you

(01:27:54):
a human. Here, show me something here, what happened, what happened,
Give us some Give me some remorse here, man, give
me something. You know, where's the car? We want the car? Things?

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
Make your graph? Man, this is this is the time
to make you ride. It's been wrong up until this
point that you can start now, make it right and
do it right from.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Now, right from now. And what do you mean from now?

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
I mean from this point.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Be honest with us. That was get Grandma's car back
to her.

Speaker 5 (01:28:46):
Happened last to grass.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
So you're saying, you're telling me look at me face
to say, I want you to look at me man,
the man, you're gonna tell me that you had absolutely
nothing to do with much in these pictures.

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
Huh, I didn't kill my daughter?

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Who did? Then? You know who did? It happened in
your fucking house with you, hunh Scotty.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Dood, Thanks guy, wuld do something like that, and I
don't think you would.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Well then who who? Who? The thing is? You know
what as I came as deals is all these other
things that were changed in your house that you're you've
been going in every day since. It's just happened.

Speaker 5 (01:29:42):
Nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
I hadn't seen no pools of blood. I haven't seen
none of that, and I have the lights on. You
said you walked right in and you spied a big
pool of blood.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
We've said it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
Well, the big pool of blood was underneath the road
that you put on top of.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
It, that I put on top of Yeah, who did
who did? Grandma?

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
Who did?

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
James? There's no way, there's an absolutely zero chance, zero
possibility that you were in that house and didn't know
what went on. Zero chance.

Speaker 5 (01:30:26):
I couldn't come home that evening. I keep telling you
that they did.

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
How many games are alive? And they were drug out dead.
That's why the bottom of the colorpoard got cleaned out.
You ever heard of anything of such things called luminol?
You know what luminol does? Illuminoll lights of blood all
over the place.

Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
Okay, like like.

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
They're out there, they're after kind of like a black life.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Yeah, you spread out and I don't give a ship.
If you're going in there with bleach and you clean
the ship out of something and you spray that on,
there's gonna tell you everywhere there was blood. We do
it all the time. But I'm just taking that's how
it works.

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
That's that works of the blood in that room.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
We didn't have to spray anything. That's right there. I said,

(01:31:38):
see that, shee see that wrap around?

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
See that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
Okay, that matches what's in your room.

Speaker 5 (01:31:46):
Okay, you said it happened in my room.

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
It did. Where's that there? Facing the puzzle together for you?
The only the only problem with this using puzzle was
you claimed ignorance about all of it.

Speaker 5 (01:32:01):
I igness about it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
You said, if you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Don't know, that's ignorance.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
I don't know. That's what ignorance means. It means I
do not know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Man. I was home Thursday night. I was home all
that the rest of that day. When I came back,
they didn't come back home. We called that girl's grandmother
and she had to come get up. She had to
come pick that girl up.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
What did she get buried up.

Speaker 5 (01:32:26):
That evening?

Speaker 13 (01:32:26):
I'm mistaken, you are mistaken. She spent the night in
Brand's bed. She spent the night. She spent the night,
and she came the next day. You're right, yeah, I
went in Grand's room and the little girls in their sleep.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
Dame. Let me let you get on another little sacret.
I'm right about a lot of this case, and you
know that. And because of what you may have to
suffer in the long run over this case is why
you're not dead.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
Let me let me tell you so.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
I told you we get one of the best friends
of teams, didn't I say that?

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
Take it to the bank that's had a good print
is over.

Speaker 14 (01:33:17):
There on that set.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
I don't know, man, my friends on that truck, because
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:33:30):
I'm just saying I can't think of men at that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
We're not going to We can just tell you that
we got sufficient enough.

Speaker 5 (01:33:35):
I'll put your print over there.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
But you know what, take the print out of the mix,
flush it down the commode. Blush it down and commode.
We got two live girls, two dead girls. We got
We know when they left, We know when they got
on the ferry, and in between they were killed in
your room. And you, by your own mission, you're the
only one that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Other than Granny and the little girl in their sleeping
I would do that, why in my grandmother's and the
little girl in the house.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
Wow, well yeah, that's what we said. That's exactly our
thoughts too. Wow. Well. You know what when emotions and
shit kicks in, people do shit all the time, and
it's like, after what's happened, Like how the hell did
that happen?

Speaker 4 (01:34:26):
Some people back out, don't know, don't even realize they've
done it, justil after the fact.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
They get so angry that they seem write nothing but red.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
If you were from the outside looking in.

Speaker 5 (01:34:41):
I understand what you said, you would look right at me.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
What am I supposed to do? What I'm asking is
for you to show give us, Give us something here,
give us some give me some remorse here, Give me
some give me something, Give me some remorse here. How

(01:35:06):
can you sit here and look at that and expect
me to feel a little warm and fuzzy about what
you're telling us? I can't do that. I can't do that.
This may not bother you, but it bothers the shit
out of me and anybody that's going to see that,

(01:35:29):
And that's going to be a whole bucket load of
people are going to see these pictures, okay, and the
same people are going to look at you sitting here
like you don't give a rap fuck what happened to
my daughter? That's what this looks like.

Speaker 4 (01:35:45):
When we can sit there and we can point out,
by your own admission that you were there when they
were killed in your bedroom, And how are you going
to explain that away when it comes to a panel
of twelve people?

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
How? How tell me how you're gonna explain that?

Speaker 5 (01:36:05):
Explained that? I keep telling you, on that night, that
day we.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
Verified then you know what, we don't doubt that, but
they did. The evidence is there. They did come home.
You can't undo that evidence. There's no way to undo it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
How can you explain all that fresh blood all over
that run? Then? Who kills them? Did Scotty do this?
Did Scotty do it?

Speaker 8 (01:36:42):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Why do you say that?

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
I don't think Scott Thanks got it? They had no
problem with bing it like that? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
Who else.

Speaker 4 (01:36:57):
You were there, James? Who?

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Who else one of your buddies get into this? Do
you think some other motherfuckers are gonna lie to cover
for your ass and they're gonna take the fall of you?
It ain't gonna fucking happen. It ain't gonna fucking happen.
Do you understand that? I understand that, but it's what

(01:37:21):
I'm telling you. So you leave us no choice but
to keep looking at you unless you do. If you're
flying for somebody else, you better get off that right.

Speaker 4 (01:37:31):
Quick, Jay, Get this off your shoulders. Man, it's all over.
It's written all over your face. Get it off your shoulders.
You're carrying that weight around and it's heavy on you.
I seen it every time I talk to you. You

(01:37:58):
can't have it. There's nothing you can do. There's nothing
you're gonna be able to do to get off except
sit right here and tell us.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
Let's put it into this.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
Put into it for you, Put into it for for her.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
Because the longer this drags out, and the longer we
got to keep screwing with this case, the longer we're
gonna keep pestering their families, Crystal's family and your family,
We're gonna keep going around there, We're gonna keep talking
to people, and we're just gonna keep dragging us out
because we have to. Because you're leaving us no choice. Okay,

(01:38:34):
you're leaving us no choice. Do you think we want
to go over there and to keep bringing this throw
this up in these people's faces. No, we don't. But
we got a job to do, and our job is
for them. Our job is for them. We owe it.
We owe it to her, to these two girls, to
do our job to the fullest extent. We owe that

(01:38:56):
to them, and.

Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
We owe it to the little girls gonna grow up
with the mother.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
That I got a couple other cases I'm working the
same thing where girls were killed and they had children,
and we owe it to them. We owe it to them.
So we're not gonna go away. We're gonna keep rooting
us thing up until we get it done. Well, we're not.

(01:39:21):
I'm not telling you that. I'm just telling you stay.
In fact, we're not gonna go away. But for this
family to get peace, let them bury these girls. Let's
get answers to what happened here, let us get this
car back and find out, get this thing put, Let's
get this done. Let's get this over with so everybody
can deal. You. God, damn Grandma, if she's asked us once,

(01:39:41):
she's asked us what five times just in the last
two days. I want my car back, where's my car.
There's her name's on that car. She's stuck with paying
for her car, and that ain't that's not fair to her.
She got she got a tote to note in the car.
She ain't even she can't, says, she can't even nothing
with This has to reach a point again, I've been

(01:40:17):
to this so many times. This has to reach a
point where this is not about you anymore. It oh,
it is about you, But there are other people involved.
They're innocent people involved here, a lot of innocent people,
not only these two victims, but their families. And until
we can close this case and put the stamp on
the back of the envelope and say it's sealed, it's done,

(01:40:40):
We're going to continue to have to deal with them.
We're gonna have to continue to talk to your grandmother
and your aunts and your cousins and everybody else. We're
going to continue to have to deal with Crystal's family. Okay, okay,
you know we're having to interview her daughter tomorrow. We're
bringing a five year old girl in the interview her.

(01:41:00):
We don't have a choice. We don't have a choice.
We could stop it, we could get everything ironed out tonight,
but as let's schedule right now. She's being brought in
and interviewed tomorrow. We don't have a choice. We have
to do that. We cannot leave any stone unturned. If

(01:41:21):
we could be told what happened here and tell me
where this fucking car is, we could finish this thing tonight.
That way that we could have these funerals for these
two girls in peace, not unknown. Send them off with dignity,

(01:41:43):
because they damn sure didn't get dignity here, So let's
send them off with dignity. Let's get the air cleared
here what happened so that your family and Chrystmas family
could bury these two girls, and when they're done with that,
they can move on with the rest of their lives
and not have all this what happened ship for them.

(01:42:09):
H do some soul searching, body, do the right thing
here for them and your family and their family. That's
all this is about.

Speaker 4 (01:42:29):
Now lay this thing to rest, man, let them rest
in peace.

Speaker 5 (01:42:49):
All that time you used to do it by the house,
and you been looking at me like.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
The well, be honest with you, that's not really true, and.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
That's not I was almost ready to who you are.

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
All of this came up this afternoon when we just
started putting pieces to pieces to the puzzle together and
started making some more checks. All of this, all of
this took a took a complete nos die today today
because we didn't find out about this fingerprint matched to

(01:43:22):
you this afternoon day today. And then from there we
had other things that questions to ask, and we went
back to your house and we talked to people there
and we started getting answers to the questions. And here
we are, so he is absolutely correct. All of this

(01:43:44):
changed complete course today Actually this afternoon.

Speaker 5 (01:43:54):
I gotta say, I didn't you know I had, So.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
You're rewriting off the thin There's other things out there
that are connected directly directly.

Speaker 5 (01:44:12):
To this, like the sheet that wrapped around my sheets.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
That's part of part of it, that's just part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:26):
That's yes, we know sometimes things get out a hand.
I mean, it happens to all those we we all
get aggravated in myself and sometimes some of us just
are we're able to control it better than others. Sometimes

(01:44:48):
people like I told you before, they just see red
and they don't know what happens. They just go off
and don't even realize it. And then when when they
calm down after the fact, they see what they've done
after the are around and never knew that they did it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:08):
I don't have episodes like that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
Well, then what happened? This is just what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
I mean, we know, we know what happened. We don't
know why it happened. Not a question anymore about what
happened over there, we don't have that anymore. That's that's resolved.
It's a matter of why did it happen? Why did
this have to happen? Why? We know what happened, We

(01:45:50):
know where it happened. Now, we know a time window
and when it happened. We know how these two girls died.
We know all of that. We know all of that.
It's just a matter of why did all this happen?
Why is your daughter's head smashed him? Why does Crystal

(01:46:11):
have a hole in her head? No matter is why.
The fact that it's happened, we got that. We just
don't know why. We don't know why. You know, it's
not like a motive. You know, when somebody robbed somebody,
or other crimes are committed, we know what the motive is.
It's just like how long God's earth that just happened.

Speaker 4 (01:46:34):
I mean, this is just and Jene, this was this.
This is an anger.

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
That's anger.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
This is anger that this isn't an accidental, that's personal.
This is your daughter. Put at her rest, man, let
her have some peace.

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
That's anger.

Speaker 4 (01:47:02):
That's not even for Crystal. But look at your daughter.
This came from you. This girl came from you. This
is part of you. This is part of your blood. Loud,
Let her have some bees, Let her have some breadst
if for nothing else that your daughter had it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
Let me tell you something. We know how when people
are killed, you can the body talks to us. It
tells us all kinds of things, all kinds of things,
and I want to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
I know that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
Okay that yeah, So that tells you that those kind
of injuries and the number of those type of blows
with her.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
As you said, mm hmm, hard my people would who
is who is? James?

Speaker 4 (01:47:56):
You were there?

Speaker 15 (01:47:57):
Man?

Speaker 5 (01:47:59):
Look, uh, let's let's go smoke. Second.

Speaker 4 (01:48:04):
Okay, give me something first, give me something first.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
We'll let you smoke. Give me something.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
You just jumped at that chair and screamed at me,
and you just did the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
We're not screaming at you. We're trying to find of
what's going on. I understand this ain't personal. I got no.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
Issue with you.

Speaker 3 (01:48:30):
I don't either I got issues with this. I don't
not with you. I got issues the fact that what
happened here well, or why did this happen? Why did
this happen?

Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
Thanks, I don't. I don't hate you a been.

Speaker 5 (01:48:46):
If you think I'm capable of doing that, you shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
I should what I shouldn't you really think I'm capable
of doing that?

Speaker 5 (01:48:54):
Doing that five blows to my.

Speaker 4 (01:48:56):
Daughter's but Jaks, when I'm aggravated at is the fact
that you know what took place in.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
That's what aggravates me.

Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
You're gonna be the fall guy here.

Speaker 8 (01:49:12):
Who did it?

Speaker 3 (01:49:14):
Who did this? Who did this?

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
One of your buddies, Scotty, Scotty want.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
Your buddies do this?

Speaker 5 (01:49:32):
I think I know what.

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
I don't go back to you. I'm trying to give you.
To give me something else. Point me in another direction.
Tell me that you weren't the only one in the house.
You've told us that ten times you were the only one.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
There, well, the one that that night with me, And
granted I've been waiting all day granted called and they
never called back.

Speaker 5 (01:49:57):
I ain't doing anything. I was going now, but I
was not. I went back to day down.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
Did you work the waterfront that day?

Speaker 8 (01:50:06):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
I didn't work that day.

Speaker 8 (01:50:08):
I did?

Speaker 5 (01:50:09):
Why, seniord is not big down there. I can't work
every day. I work when it's a lot of work
down there, then I get a little work. It's not
a lot of work. I don't get done.

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
Why did this happen? Why did this have to happen?
This is why did this have to happen? This is
not a batter. What happened and why did it happen?
You know, if somebody gets in a fight and you
whack somebody one time, you know, you hit them or whatever,
that's one thing. This is pure personal anger. You watch

(01:50:44):
the shelves, well some of that, most of the ship
on them shelves is bullshit, but that is factual. When
somebody has these kind of injuries, it's personal. It's anger.
It's not defense or you know, I'm robbing you and
you've swung at me and I'm gonna knock the shit
out of it. I'm gonna run. That's saying about all that,
and God, that is what this is about. This is

(01:51:10):
probably the wrong place, wrong time as a result of this.
Why why did this have to happen?

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Why in your room things?

Speaker 4 (01:51:26):
If you've got any love for your daughter at all,
in your heart any else of it, put this to rest.
You know what you've said here in the earliness conversation,
and you talked about how you weren't a good parent
to her and you were out of her life a.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
Lot, okay, and then now this happens. The least, the
very least you could do for your daughter is put
closure to this.

Speaker 4 (01:51:55):
Be that good dead.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
Put it to rist.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
This is a chance to do the right thing.

Speaker 5 (01:52:02):
How did you think I did? It's too to be
a good head.

Speaker 4 (01:52:05):
I told you you start right now doing it right,
or you can keep only can be wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
Why did this happen?

Speaker 4 (01:52:24):
I'll tell you what?

Speaker 16 (01:52:26):
Ain't that where you're at for a minute? Way a second,
Thanks for thinking about it for a few minutes. Be
right back, fair much catching up?

Speaker 4 (01:52:48):
Kids have a little cold and that taste money?

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Tell me about today? What what?

Speaker 4 (01:53:00):
How clothes were going for a close relationship?

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
He was a zany yeah crystals, Oh yeah, no, no,
that's right. I forget you're going would you get this both.

Speaker 5 (01:53:21):
I mean, yeah, I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
Pay attention the sweet at that age. That's what which
way you had, which we which which dinction you had
with this? For that.

Speaker 17 (01:53:32):
That was decent, a good relationship with that. Okay, there's
not things mhm. You showing me this picture.

Speaker 4 (01:53:48):
We're on the scene too.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
Those scene.

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
Those things were dumped out there with her body, her
mama's body.

Speaker 9 (01:53:54):
They got they got I guess they got over a
bag that I am well all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:54:00):
There that stuff is that now.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
That stuff doesn't read it?

Speaker 5 (01:54:07):
Okay, I see a lot of these stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
These are just some samplings.

Speaker 8 (01:54:20):
That's my room.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
H h.

Speaker 5 (01:54:43):
Kah, that's my room. That is my room.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
Yeah, see the blood, that's just a sampling on places.

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
We've got a bunch of more pictures of print now
that I can show you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Do you.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
You think it's a pleasure for us to have to
bring a five year old girl in here, and.

Speaker 6 (01:55:43):
You know what, I despise having to do that, But
that's what's happening tomorrow morning.

Speaker 4 (01:55:48):
And it's start going to be a pleasure for her either.

Speaker 18 (01:55:51):
Okay, her mother is dead and we're gonna have to
question her because we don't have an option here. Okay,
So she's gonna have to live with the memory of
being questioned by the police, but the death of her
mother for the rest of her life.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
And I am not looking forward.

Speaker 5 (01:56:15):
To it happening.

Speaker 3 (01:56:15):
And either is. He can use anybody else here, but
we don't have We have no we have no option
but to talk to her, and then after that she's.

Speaker 6 (01:56:30):
Gonna have to deal with her mother's funeral, and then
after that he's still gonna have a lot of questions.

Speaker 2 (01:56:38):
About what.

Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
We need to give her some answers.

Speaker 10 (01:56:45):
Hyeah, anybody knows he says this is easy.

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
Okay, nobody says this is easy.

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
I'm just saying, ain't nobody says this is easy. We
understand that I'm not trying to be your friend. I'm
trying to treat you with respect. I know this is
not easy. There's nothing easy about any of this. It's
not easy on our end. We know what. Damn sure,
ain't easy on your end. But the fact is this
is not going to go away. So the only thing

(01:57:28):
that we can do is try to make this as
easy as possible on everybody involved. We can't change what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
I can't wait nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:57:37):
We can do about that. So we need to try
to make life as easy as possible on everybody involved.
That's where we are. It would be nice after these

(01:58:08):
two funerals that the families, including yours, they're trying to
move on with their life. But until we resolve all
of this, and more so get answers, why, why, the

(01:58:29):
why the why? It's not what happened? When it happened? Rare?
When did no matter?

Speaker 8 (01:58:34):
Why did it happen?

Speaker 3 (01:58:38):
Because they're going to ask out a million times the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
Of their lives.

Speaker 4 (01:58:44):
And as somebody tells us, and we can put these
young ladies to rest in peace and with some kind
of dignity.

Speaker 3 (01:59:05):
You you can say that we're this is a game
that we're playing with you on this.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
This is facts.

Speaker 5 (01:59:12):
You really think I think this is a game.

Speaker 3 (01:59:14):
This is no that that's a game we're playing on you.
This is facts, This is not anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
In that I see the room, I see my rug,
and I see that pool puddle whatever that is. And
I've walked that. My mother's been in that den, Visitors
have been in that bend with all the lights on,
nobody's seen any blood. I've been in that room to
get there how come nobody else is even saying anything
about blood offer you told me when you went in,

(01:59:46):
when you went in there and.

Speaker 5 (01:59:47):
You saw it instantly.

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
A lot of my family members and myself have been
in that end several times and nobody Okay, Well that
means I guess that means you have to It's not
in plain sight. I see the rug is pulled back,
and I see.

Speaker 3 (02:00:01):
That none of that makes any difference. The blood's there.
That doesn't change the fact that the blood is there.
Who saw it, how they saw it, why they saw it,
doesn't change one thing. The fact is there's blood all
over there.

Speaker 5 (02:00:15):
I see that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:17):
That's just the sampoint. So we can talk about who, why, when,
and how all day bottle line is the bloods there
a lot of it.

Speaker 6 (02:00:29):
See well, you could take a load off yourself and
all of these families.

Speaker 3 (02:00:39):
Telling us why this happened, and let us get Granny
her car back. It's crazy as this may sound. Do
you know she's asked us about that about three.

Speaker 5 (02:00:52):
Or four nights, so she seems to talk about that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:54):
I know she's probably proud of it. Yeah she is,
you know, so h could go for her for that.

Speaker 4 (02:01:05):
You know, this is because of this. These are a
lot of broken lives, not just two or three, but
two families full of it. Help us put these lives
back together somehow, the lives of these families, lives of
that little girl. What does that man, it's eating you up.

Speaker 3 (02:01:41):
We can put all the surrounded about ten minutes.

Speaker 8 (02:01:54):
That's not eating me up.

Speaker 5 (02:01:55):
What's eating me up is something that's different.

Speaker 8 (02:02:00):
H Okay they did, kah.

Speaker 4 (02:02:24):
Yeah, yeah they did.

Speaker 2 (02:02:30):
And you told me that that's right. Here proves it.

Speaker 4 (02:02:41):
You cannot trying to do that, Thames. You cannot hide this.
They came home that night. They were killed in your room.
Brandy was killed in your your daughter, your flesh and
blood was killed and just cannot be race, just cannot

(02:03:09):
be forgotten.

Speaker 3 (02:03:12):
And let me let me have this thought for you,
you know, let your mama's house grand.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
And and.

Speaker 6 (02:03:26):
She's not only lost Britney, but she's lost the other
joys in Brittaney's life.

Speaker 3 (02:03:35):
But she's gonna have to live in this house with this,
She's gonna have to live here and wonder why she
having to live with us. We've got to give her
some answers to why that's in your grandmother's house It's
not like it happened in some parking lot somewhere or
some dirt road somewhere. It happened in her house. That's

(02:03:58):
pretty personal.

Speaker 5 (02:03:59):
I see that.

Speaker 8 (02:04:00):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (02:04:43):
Why did that happen?

Speaker 3 (02:04:44):
James.

Speaker 5 (02:04:45):
I've been walking across that rover let last through a
couple of days.

Speaker 4 (02:04:48):
Why did this happen? What could she have done? It
made somebody so mad to do something like this?

Speaker 2 (02:05:00):
H read the mental biding person.

Speaker 5 (02:05:03):
Not like that?

Speaker 4 (02:05:04):
Then what made somebody so mad to do this?

Speaker 2 (02:05:07):
Don't you mean what made me so mad?

Speaker 4 (02:05:09):
I said, somebody put me on somebody else? Give me
your reason to be looking at somebody else?

Speaker 3 (02:05:22):
You give us another name of gallant like steak.

Speaker 8 (02:05:25):
I don't have a name. I don't have anything like that.

Speaker 14 (02:05:29):
Then why did this happen?

Speaker 4 (02:05:46):
Your not or your flesh and blood?

Speaker 8 (02:05:57):
Okay, wow?

Speaker 4 (02:06:04):
Names? You keep talking about it like you don't know
what's the place? Yeah, your pressures.

Speaker 5 (02:06:24):
Those are about nikes. Blood on the lined up right there.

Speaker 4 (02:06:28):
On, and not only is the blood on his hair
on see the blood.

Speaker 2 (02:06:47):
M hm.

Speaker 4 (02:06:51):
Hm there made to those downstairs covered in your daughter's blood.

Speaker 5 (02:07:02):
That's my clothes, that's my cougwes.

Speaker 2 (02:07:05):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 4 (02:07:09):
The mate of that sheet is downstairs in your daughter's
blood covered in it?

Speaker 2 (02:07:13):
That's you're interesting.

Speaker 5 (02:07:14):
That's the other seed.

Speaker 4 (02:07:15):
That's yes, it is. See the blood there?

Speaker 19 (02:07:22):
Yeah yeah, blood on the side, is they that's where
the bloods already, So food carpet.

Speaker 4 (02:07:45):
This is only some of the pictures. There's ten times
as many at least. H we'll be here all out
if we had all over the town. There's more photos kinds.

Speaker 2 (02:08:06):
Yeah mm hm.

Speaker 3 (02:08:18):
Did you get somebody else involved in this that you're
afraid of controuble, anything up or anything? We can work
with that.

Speaker 4 (02:08:33):
No you did not, Kay, Okay, so you know Britain's

(02:08:54):
card did have a headline out? No, yeah it did.

Speaker 5 (02:09:01):
I checked that. I checked that car Bene first got
his break lights.

Speaker 4 (02:09:05):
Did I tell you cameras were everywhere? Bring'stor right a
headline out?

Speaker 5 (02:09:14):
I checked that car.

Speaker 2 (02:09:15):
Person, I'm not asking me, Okay, boy went out.

Speaker 4 (02:09:24):
But what I'm getting at is, listen to me. I
told you cameras were everywhere. I can tell you what
time my car went on the ferry. I tell you
what time it came off the ferry. I can tell

(02:09:49):
you where your daughter was killed.

Speaker 3 (02:09:54):
Helps because these family's closure.

Speaker 4 (02:09:56):
Your family put your daughter on the rest in peace man,
mhm in peace?

Speaker 3 (02:10:02):
Yeah, that's you know, that's what we need to do here.

Speaker 4 (02:10:09):
They need to know why.

Speaker 3 (02:10:12):
Hm, they know what they need to know why.

Speaker 4 (02:10:16):
Grannie don't want to believe she tears her up. She
don't want to believe it at all, matu facture. There
can't undo it.

Speaker 3 (02:10:29):
She saw some them.

Speaker 2 (02:10:30):
That's where we left.

Speaker 4 (02:10:31):
And I know you love your green help her if
nobody she's nine years old, man, help her out. Any
think she got a lot of years left.

Speaker 2 (02:10:39):
She got to live in that out.

Speaker 8 (02:10:55):
H m hm hm.

Speaker 2 (02:11:02):
Hm hm.

Speaker 3 (02:11:12):
H Two questions, why, m where's the car?

Speaker 14 (02:11:21):
That's it?

Speaker 2 (02:11:25):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (02:11:36):
And who doesn't agree with that?

Speaker 8 (02:11:39):
Huh?

Speaker 5 (02:11:40):
I can't happe with that? Don't little body car as
who does not?

Speaker 2 (02:11:51):
Let's go back to the first question.

Speaker 4 (02:11:52):
Why m hm.

Speaker 5 (02:11:59):
Hm hmm.

Speaker 3 (02:12:20):
Do you realize that these blows for her head not
only with their multiplee well, they were so hard that
it cracked her skull all the way across and actually
broke her neck.

Speaker 4 (02:12:33):
This one, this one killed her. The head was so
severe that it cracked her temple broke. It cracked all
the way around the suture and come back here with
a four other stretch work.

Speaker 5 (02:12:59):
H love my talking man.

Speaker 3 (02:13:05):
Nobody said you didn't you know we we we work
cases all the time. Where that's never been that's never
in western It should happened that he gets out of
hand in at ten minutes.

Speaker 5 (02:13:15):
But that don't happen.

Speaker 2 (02:13:16):
That don't get out of hand, James.

Speaker 4 (02:13:18):
If you love your daughter like you say you love
your daughter, put this case to rest. Put her to rest.
But don't sit here and tell me.

Speaker 2 (02:13:33):
You love your daughter.

Speaker 4 (02:13:34):
And you're not gonna tell us anything I said'ren try
to convince me you know nothing about it when you yourself,
by your own admnuage to tell us numerous times that
you were there, because that shows means that you really
don't care much about it at all. If you do

(02:13:57):
prove it, sit right here, he provase.

Speaker 5 (02:14:00):
To me, put her to rest and be cooported with
you since I mentioned which.

Speaker 4 (02:14:05):
You lied to me, Jane, you said, and here tell
me you don't know anything about it. The whole time
that I have spoken with you, from day one, you
have yet to shed one tear for your daughter that
I've seen every day from the day that I told you,

(02:14:28):
I never saw a tear enter your eye.

Speaker 2 (02:14:31):
Crap, and you tell to my grandmother and crab cart
from I ain't gonna forget that.

Speaker 4 (02:14:40):
Show me how much you love you. Don't tell us
why I happened. Put her to rest with some kind
of comfort.

Speaker 5 (02:14:49):
You really don't remember that emotional.

Speaker 2 (02:14:52):
I remember what I saw?

Speaker 3 (02:14:57):
Did you know what to talk about? You is about
this f family.

Speaker 2 (02:15:01):
Wait for the things he's saying, that's that I don't
agree with. And if I tell you I don't agree
with some of these things, well you know what.

Speaker 3 (02:15:06):
That's fine, that's fine, that's fine. That doesn't put any
rest of these family. Your grandmother's got to live in
that house that you know that Brittany's gone, Your family's
lost her, Crystal's gone, her family's lost her. That baby
girl and doesn't have a mama. This is about these people.

(02:15:41):
They deserve to know what happened and why these girls
need to be put in the ground and dignity and whenever.

Speaker 9 (02:15:51):
I never noticed that blood on that chair, never noticed
the blood. Nobody in my family understand the blood as
they came in. I just don't know what I've noticed.

Speaker 3 (02:16:08):
Maybe you know what you're sitting there, everything you're being
so calous about all of this. This is all about you,
not about these people. Here, give me something, here, man
to give you what happened?

Speaker 5 (02:16:38):
Yeah, that's dumpling.

Speaker 2 (02:16:40):
That is definitely pretty little too.

Speaker 5 (02:16:45):
Yes, sir, at the back of the truck. I guess.

Speaker 2 (02:17:01):
Blood right outside the door.

Speaker 8 (02:17:05):
Yeah, h.

Speaker 2 (02:17:08):
My blood on the road. How about you laying forward?

Speaker 4 (02:17:17):
My blood on a chair. You didn't have to notice it.
He's there.

Speaker 5 (02:17:23):
I'll see a step.

Speaker 4 (02:17:29):
What look they face? That's Dumplin's got to grow up
for the place of why the rest of her life
when you look sit there and tell us why our
mother was thrown away.

Speaker 15 (02:17:40):
Like a back of freaking garbage. She needs to be
able to have some answers of why this happened, what
provoked this? That's her mama laying there like guards extra
dumpster and abandoned.

Speaker 3 (02:18:00):
Tell granny's years are short.

Speaker 6 (02:18:12):
This little baby's gonna have to live this for the
rest of her life, and it's always gonna want to
know why.

Speaker 3 (02:18:38):
Whatever happened in that room changed her life forever.

Speaker 4 (02:18:42):
It sure did.

Speaker 3 (02:18:46):
But the person has got the longest impact does that
one went there?

Speaker 4 (02:18:53):
And the person has the biggest impact on her is you?
You can answer her questions right now.

Speaker 3 (02:19:06):
You can't right that wrong, but you can make another
right come out of this. What the hell happen? Let
us let us give these people closure so they can
walk away from this and try to get away from
it and move on with their lives. Yeah, don't let

(02:19:34):
people think that about you. I understand that, because that's
how this appears. I'm telling you. Don't let people think
about that. Do the right thing.

Speaker 2 (02:19:43):
You know it's hard, too late that you just came
to get me from the memoir and you know everybody
purpose already.

Speaker 5 (02:19:51):
So in the words, so.

Speaker 2 (02:19:53):
Make something right for.

Speaker 4 (02:19:56):
Do something right about this whole thing.

Speaker 5 (02:19:58):
Now you've listened.

Speaker 2 (02:19:59):
Now, hou do you thing

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