Moment When a Detective Decides to STRAIGHT-UP LIE

Moment When a Detective Decides to STRAIGHT-UP LIE

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to your top true crime hob for the variety
in episodes you're looking for.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Enjoy, Am I getting cup of this year?

Speaker 3 (00:09):
We're gonna get those cuffs off you great now and
get you some water?

Speaker 4 (00:13):
All right?

Speaker 5 (00:14):
I got one question? Now, wasn't my wife and daughter?

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Man?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Your wife is home with your daughter?

Speaker 4 (00:19):
Or mom?

Speaker 6 (00:19):
Came a picture of want.

Speaker 5 (00:22):
Am I being arrested?

Speaker 6 (00:23):
You are under arrest or what?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
We'll explain that right now.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
If I go away and I just give you a
story because I just had no idea why I had.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
A bunch of guns on my face, We'll get all that.
We'll get all that work done.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Well.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
If I know what you're on to do, I would
have dup my wallets I always get out in the
morning or something.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Want as big as your dream? I'm sure you look Thursday.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Okay, Before we get going, can I get you to
just provide me with your full name is spelled each
name so that I have the correct spellings and all
that stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
I have some information in here. I just wanna make
sure that I have all that corrective information.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Leslie l E s l E Allen aa r A
l l E N, Marriet M E R R I T.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
T Junior.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Okay, and let's sene.

Speaker 6 (01:19):
What's your day of birth six twenty ninety four, six
twenty ninety.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Four, omkay. And what's a good residential address for you?

Speaker 5 (01:26):
Bally mine A sixty six forty five West Myrtle.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:30):
Is there an apartment number or anything?

Speaker 4 (01:31):
The number? One? Mkay?

Speaker 6 (01:32):
And do you have a good contact telephone number?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, let's see if I know though I just got
it phone it think it's uh six o two or
no six two three five two two zero five one
zero mkay?

Speaker 6 (01:46):
And now is that a re is that an landline
or is that a cell phone?

Speaker 4 (01:49):
What do you wanna have? Alright?

Speaker 6 (01:51):
Alright, before we go in further uh Leslie, I'm gonna
advise you to have your rights for mirando, okay. Do
you have the rights to remain silent? Anything you say
can it will be used against you?

Speaker 5 (02:02):
In a quarter long?

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Do you have the right to be president or have.

Speaker 6 (02:06):
The You have the right to the presidence of an
attorney to assist you prior to questioning, and to be
with you during question if you so desire, if you
cannot afford an attorney, and you have the right to
have an attorney appointed for you prior to you any question?

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Do you understand your rights?

Speaker 7 (02:22):
Kay?

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Understanding your rights? Are you willing to speak with us?

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Okay, alright before we get going.

Speaker 6 (02:28):
There's a couple of things that I need to get
before we get started on the interview.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Mkay.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
So if you give me a couple of minutes and
we'll be right back with you.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (02:35):
It's uh twenty three oh six hours, said eleven twenty
three grade I got.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
I got back in the room at twenty three or

(03:25):
nine hours?

Speaker 6 (03:31):
Okay, Leslie?

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Why do you think you're here?

Speaker 5 (03:34):
Did I got no fue man, not at all? Die
off work? Where'd you go? Cast on my chest? And
it's I know, old damn world in my face with gums?

Speaker 6 (03:43):
Why do you Why do you think you would be here?
I haven't an idea, man, traffe takers home. I don't
know if I don't do anything anything that you can
think of that you might have done or something that
would do in.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Your your then standing out of trouble?

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Kay? Alright?

Speaker 6 (03:59):
How do you own a uh nine millimeters high point
some automatic can gun?

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Mkay?

Speaker 6 (04:06):
Tell me about that. How did you come in possession
of that?

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Tango?

Speaker 5 (04:09):
I bought it from Carbella's got you in the box?

Speaker 6 (04:12):
Right?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
And do you remember when you purchased it?

Speaker 5 (04:16):
Shit, it's gotta be, uh couple weeks after I turned
twenty one?

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Kay?

Speaker 5 (04:22):
When did you churn twenty one?

Speaker 3 (04:25):
And so you're name you saying a couple of weeks
or a couple months.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
It's gotta be about a month at least, yeah, okay, alright?

Speaker 2 (04:33):
And do you recall 'em what you paid for one
hundred and thirty nine dollars one hundred and sixty five.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
With a box at animal okay?

Speaker 3 (04:39):
And what kind of animal did you purchase with it?

Speaker 4 (04:42):
What was it called?

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Like herders or some cheap eleven ninety nine box?

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Kay?

Speaker 6 (04:46):
Did you get that at the same time that you
purchased a gun in Cabella's?

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
And I also had should have reported it, but I
didn't about what probably a month ago I had two
hundred and fifty.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
Winchester around s. I had him in my trunk cause
I was gonna go to the rings and someone stolen.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Out my drunk.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Okay, not my good My dad's went the pawn shot
for the last month and month and a half, okay.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
And when you purchased again. What was the purpose of
the reason for you to purchase again?

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Is cause that can carry it?

Speaker 3 (05:11):
And carry it for what reason?

Speaker 5 (05:14):
Well, I live in glendhille Man, you can.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
It's Glendell a bad play, so.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I mean it's pretty shitt the neighborhood, but it's affordable
for me and my family.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
So okay, okay.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
And when you purchased it, have you ever lint it
out to anybody or no? So, so you always had
possession of that.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
I ponded it a couple of times, but that's it.
I've had it.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Well, tell me about those incidents that you've pawned it.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
Well, the first time any money for a formula electricity?
It's alright, Well, let's go right here. More money puns
on fos Street and Indian School gave me what the.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Game in the first time, and they gave me sixty
at the first time, the sixty again and seventy.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
Okay, So you pawned it three times, yeah, and at
the same pawn shop more money pond yep, every time. Okay.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
When was the first time that you pawned it?

Speaker 5 (06:02):
I don't know, Ma's been a little while.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
Okay. Well to you what's a little while maybe two
months two months ago, okay. And then the second time
that you pawned about.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
A week after I got it right back out pond okay.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
And then the most recent time that you pawned.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Probably about a month and a half, a month and
a half ago, and it's just been sitting there okay.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
So you're saying that it's been more money pond for
the last month and a half.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Mm. I mean, I got it out, had it with
me for a week, put it back.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Cause I needed something, got it out, put it back,
got it out, put it back.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (06:34):
So are you positive the most recent time that you
pawned it was a month and a half.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
I'm very certain. Matter of fact, if you guys have
my vehicle to pont it, it's in my car.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Well I's well, here's the deal.

Speaker 6 (06:43):
I know where you ponded, so I just wanna make
sure cause that's that's an incorrect day.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
It wasn't a month and.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
A half ago.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
That's where it's at.

Speaker 6 (06:50):
Man. Okay, Well, I know where it was at, but
I'm just saying you didn't pond it a month and
a half ago.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
So let's see, Okay, I can I think it about
about three weeks.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
Three weeks, ask me.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Because I got paid shortly after that, didn't have enough
money to pay some bills. I went pond it and
I said, alright, I'll be back in two weeks, and
now I'll spend four weeks.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
Tell me about your work schedule right live before we
let me go back on this.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
Wh who do you work for Lanscape excellents?

Speaker 6 (07:23):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
And how long have you been working for them?

Speaker 5 (07:25):
Six months?

Speaker 6 (07:26):
Mkay? And what is your work schedule with them?

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, up until when I started in February, s what
seven to four and then.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Start getting out, so we went to five thirty to two,
and now.

Speaker 6 (07:38):
We're at six to two thirty okay, And.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Lately we've had quite a bit of old time coming ins.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
Last week I had five hours extra okay. And then
what are your days that you work?

Speaker 5 (07:50):
Mondays and Friday, Monday, occasionally Saturdays at the boss?

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Ask us who on.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Storts I work with? Okay, when's the last time that
you worked a Saturday?

Speaker 5 (07:58):
Wow, labor day?

Speaker 6 (08:03):
Labor day, cause ever we work Saturday and make for
a labor day.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (08:13):
Tell me about your day on August twenty ninth of
this year.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
I'm just dying.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
There woulda been a Saturday. It's August twenty ninth.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
That's right before labor. Yeah, does that work?

Speaker 6 (08:25):
No? I just I'm just I'm just asking you if
you can take me through your day?

Speaker 5 (08:30):
What man, I'm be honest. I don't keep track of
my days.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Man.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I go to work, I come home, I eat, and
actually I go to work, I go home, I eat actually, okay, alright.
On the weekends, I go stay home or go to
my mother in law's or other man either father members house.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
Do you ever go out shooting or anything every once
in a while? Yeah, mkay. How often do you go shooting?

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I think sh I've shot that gun until four separate occasions.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Four separate occasions.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (08:58):
And do you do that normally on the weekend. When's
the last time that you went out shooting with it?

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Sh I was at where I went to It's ninety
first in Bell Road is shoot the wall, and I
had to been. I don't even know man ten Curry
once at least I haven't.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
I mean, last time I shot it, I cleaned it
and I put it away, announced that the park shop clean.

Speaker 6 (09:20):
Okay, well, are you a FI? Are you familiar with
all these shootings that have been occurring on nine ten?

Speaker 5 (09:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (09:25):
Now, okay, well tell me what you know about these
shootings that have.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Been occurring on nineten.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
I know they've happened from like eighty third to sixteenth
Street something like that.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
What else do you know about?

Speaker 2 (09:35):
They got a couple guys already there or what are
they call 'em? Suspects and being questioned.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
M okay, well that's what we're here to talk about.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (09:45):
I won't beat around the bush anymore. It's not suspecting that.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
And y oh, you're beyond a suspecting that. It's okay,
how much?

Speaker 6 (09:52):
Yeah, that's well, I wanna tell you right now that
the euro nine millimeter high point we have it, it's
been removed up upon, and it was.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
A weapon that was used in these shootings.

Speaker 9 (10:03):
It has been it has been scientifically analyzed by our
crime lab and it has been shown that bullets that
were recovered from our crime scenes came.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
From that gun.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
Okay, now is there, don't explain to me how am.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
I done that?

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Upon?

Speaker 5 (10:19):
Without me?

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (10:20):
Because I seized it.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
We seized it, okay, okay, obviously We've done a lot
of work on this and done a lot of investigative work,
talk to a lot of people. You just saw a
couple of people that we've talked to today. We've talked
to numerous people regarding this, numerous people that know you,
and so we've got to feel I have no idea.
I mean, well, here's here's the thing. Nobody's been hurt yet. Okay, Okay,

(10:46):
so nobody got hurt. Nobody got hurt.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
A single shot.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I go down the shooting the world, and I go
down to by bi R and I shoot the water here.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
Let's let's I'm not going to argue in the facts,
I understand, but I have the facts.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
I have the facts in here, okay.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
And what I'm here is obviously this doesn't look good.
People people do things. Maybe they're having a bad day,
maybe they're frustrated, maybe things are going on in their
personal life that your weapon was involved in it.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
And I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
How well, here's a deal.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
Shu yes me, Okay, We've done all this investigative research.
He has it right there, And guess who's in the
middle of that picture right there exactly? And where are
all of these.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Lines joining at. Where are they all meeting at?

Speaker 6 (11:49):
Okay? So that tells you right there that everything that
we've done, investigative wise, everything that we have evidence wise,
all keeps pointing to you. And I'm trying to give
you the opportunity here less to sit there and explain
to me why you did it?

Speaker 5 (12:03):
So I have nothing to explain it. How do you
not do this?

Speaker 6 (12:06):
Right? Well, I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
We have your Facebook post.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
What's that?

Speaker 6 (12:09):
What I post everything? You have a lot of posts
on there regarding these shootings that are currying on im.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
We just didn't the media.

Speaker 10 (12:17):
No, it's not a matter of following the media, because
I believe in this second.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
No, here's what the deal is.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
These guys that you said that we arrested these three suspects.
As soon as these people got arrested, you're up and
on this face post. They're on your face mak posting
on these things. You're you're tagging Damon And the reason
and the reason you're doing that is because you're basically
trying to let Damon know, Hey, look they got these guys.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
They're not the guys there.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
My buddy right there, he believes in the expiracy there's
and think the government's out to thee everybody, So I
tag him in it so he can read it.

Speaker 6 (12:50):
Well, that's interesting that after we arrest these guys and
all of a sudden, you're posting this stuff. Why didn't
you post it before in the Facebook?

Speaker 5 (12:56):
That has nothing to do with the rest of anything.
I've been following the whole story.

Speaker 6 (12:59):
Well, it's not on your face spoke till after these
guys get arrested, So all of a sudden, then now
you get.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Some type of interest in it.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
I've just been following it.

Speaker 6 (13:07):
So explain to me how your weapon that has been
scientifically tested.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
I can't tell you how. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (13:12):
Well, here, you have a weapon that you purchased. Yes, okay,
you're the only person that has owned that weapon. You
just told me, and I just got that information from
everybody else that I spoke to you, that you've never
let that gun out to anybody. Nobody else models it,
and you have it with you at all times, so
it's never been out of your possession. It comes back

(13:35):
ballistically testing. It comes back to those bullets.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
You checked every camera on the under tend the last week.

Speaker 6 (13:43):
Here's here's here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
That's funny that you said.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
That funny thing that you said that that is those
cameras have been up and those cameras covered every mile
on the interstate.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
And guess who we saw on that video.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
It's been recorded. Video in there.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
I've got video in there, so if.

Speaker 6 (14:02):
You need to see that video to sit and prove
the point, rather than being damn man and just admit
I went to forty.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Fourth Street and Channel Boulevard because I had a job
that her name's Nanty loves who did her?

Speaker 6 (14:13):
This has nothing to do with it do This has
nothing to do with your work or any of this.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Okay, Well, I'm telling you I have not You're familiar.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
With what I am telling you.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
You know, but I'm telling you I follow them. I
can't follow shit.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
I'm not even talking about your Facebook anymore. I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Talking There's there's no.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
It's just not out of the blue that you're here, Leslie.
You dude, it really is, because it's not out of
the blue.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
You're here for a reason.

Speaker 6 (14:40):
You wouldn't be here if there wasn't evidence for you
to be here. All I'm trying to do, understand, I'm
just trying to give you the opportunity to maybe explain
why this happened.

Speaker 10 (14:52):
Like I said, I'm not gonna admit this I do
on Leslie. I'm just telling you, and I'm just gonna
let you know. Everybody's human, and sometimes good people do
stupid things and and and you know what I mean.
Sometimes they do stupid things.

Speaker 6 (15:08):
And there's stuff going on or there's just a reason
that they do it. And all I'm saying is is
I'm trying to give you the opportunity here to explain
to me why he did this. Was there something going
on why I did it?

Speaker 5 (15:23):
But I did not do it. Your gun was used
on the Bible, but I'm like, ye, I didn't the Bibles.

Speaker 6 (15:28):
The Bible is not going to help right now, because
but I'm telling you I have evidence, I understand evidence, I.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Understand, but I have not fired my weapon. And then
has to think I have not fired my weapon.

Speaker 6 (15:36):
Well, I'll here's this your weapon, who you have in
your possession at all times. You've never lent it to you. No,
I didn't find it on the ferry. I'm telling you
that there's bullets that were fired from your gun that were.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Removed from cars. Repossible, man, I have not fired my leper.

Speaker 6 (15:52):
You know we're telling you what the realistic tasks.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
Don't mind, Well, then there has to be some kind
of mention because there.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Is no mix up.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
I had not.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
Did you know that there's over two hundred and eighty
six thousand.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
And you put up with a microscope and land the groups.

Speaker 6 (16:07):
I am telling you there are two hundred and eighty
six thousand high point handguns that have been sold and
we just out of the blue find your gun.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
I don't know what is man.

Speaker 6 (16:18):
I think maybe can you guys been watching my Facebook?

Speaker 5 (16:20):
Oh no, no, no, no, no no, your gun?

Speaker 6 (16:22):
Your gun took us to your Facebook?

Speaker 5 (16:25):
By how is this possible?

Speaker 6 (16:27):
I am telling you. I'm telling because I know when
you pawned it. You pawned it. You pawned it on
the day after the last shooting that we connected to
your gun. Period. You pawned on August thirtieth, and it
was right after the last shooting that we had on
the freeway that was connected to your gun.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
You pawned it after the last shooting.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
We have videotape of you pond all the pawn records,
so I know the day that you pawned it. I
know the time that you pawned, And I'm telling you,
I have video tape from the freeway with your silver car.
I have ballistic test that comes back.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
To absolutely bullshit, Absolutely, I have not fired. Am I
gonna do?

Speaker 6 (17:11):
That's I'm just telling you, like I said, we're here
because I have evidence.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Don't understand the evidence, man, but I'm telling you I haven't.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Well, didn't explain it to me. How does how does?

Speaker 6 (17:24):
How is it that your gun is scientifically analyzed and
it comes back to the web or to the bullets
that were recovered at.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Our crime scenes.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
I don't know if you on the day of the
last shooting, after the last shooting occurs video.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
Tadn't explain it to me. Where's it at? Let me
see these things here? Where's the last shooting? Last shooting
is just coffeecat ship? Oh you got my video the shooting?
My down, That's cool. I'm fighting righting on you at
ten because I'm not afraid to right on.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
The A ten.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
What's that?

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (17:57):
What's this?

Speaker 6 (17:58):
One?

Speaker 5 (17:58):
September twelveth youp has a messkie? Two more incidents?

Speaker 6 (18:00):
These are these are these? I said, these are way
after the incident. These are these are things that that
you've posted after you're saying after the last year, after
that show, my shooting was a thirtieth.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
That's when you put September twelveth.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
No, no, no, we're not talking about your Facebook now,
you're you're just trying to twist how you're just trying
to show you're trying to twist it.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
And you're not going to twist it because I know
too much about this case.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
I have no reason to twisting.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
Well, I haven't to me.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Well, I want the truth.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
I want you to I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
The truth is, I have not shot my fucking gun
in at least two months.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
Man, that's the truth.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
Well, somebody has, and you're telling me that you've loaned
it to nobody, nobody else, nobody, nobody.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 6 (18:42):
Man, Well, I'm telling you that your gun was used
to shoot these cars on the telling.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
You my gun has not been in my possession or
fired by me in about two months.

Speaker 6 (18:53):
Okay, Well, then if you can sit there and provide
me with a good reason why your gun has been scientifically.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
I don't need to tell you on that.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Man, I'm not a sign acientist.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
I don't know. Man, I have no idea what to
tell you.

Speaker 6 (19:03):
I can only tell you where the evidence is pointed.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
I know it all points you, and you got your
little thing there tells me that. But I don't know
what to tell you on that, man, I don't have
no idea.

Speaker 6 (19:11):
I'm trying to give you the opportunity to tell me
the true nuth I'm telling you the truth.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
I don't know where the hell is scientific bullshit's coming from.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
But I have not fired my gun from my hand
in two months. That's the truth. And so it was
a ser reason why you're a friends would be on
the gun because I shoot my gun.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Okay, just trying to see from our point of view,
I understand you know we have your gun.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
Gun my friends matches up very much. We have your gun,
we have the bullets.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
It comes back to you.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, So I going to ask you this, when you
found my gun, right, Oh never mind, there wouldn't be
no bulletiny that the punch up never mind, never mind,
forget I said that.

Speaker 6 (19:49):
Well, here's the thing. You have to understand. It's all
gonna come up there. There are search warrants being served
at your house. There's a search warrant being served on
your car. There's other things that are going on that
I'm not even gonna get into. So it's all gonna
come out. All I'm trying to do is give you
the opportunity to explain to me.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
You know what happened. I know what happened. I just
don't know rounds on the top of a clear dresser because.

Speaker 10 (20:15):
That's the only rounds I have from my Well, I'm
just telling because stolen out from what happened.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
I don't know Winchester nine million or later.

Speaker 6 (20:22):
Here's the thing. I know what happened. I just don't
know why. And the only person that has answered you.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Bro, I can't tell you why because I didn't do it.
I don't know how to tell you or what to
make what to say.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
Well, what I'm trying to figure out is why it happened.
Like I said, I know what happened, I just don't
know why. I don't know if it was something where
somebody was maybe threatening you on the interstate, and you know,
you felt like you needed to protect yourself and when
I joined this, you.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Know I have not shot my gun over two months
from I don't have to tell you, well, I don't.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
I wish I knew the answer to tell you here,
but I have not shot my gun in two months.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
Man, Well, all I can tell you is I don't
believe that, because I only I can tell you you're.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Absolutely I have a lot. I don't know what to
tell you.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
That my gun is maand case. So why would someone
who's kind of close to you tell you that they
think you are capable upgoing and doing something like this?
Or who's at my boss? You get holding masking.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
That just say you just said somebody close to you.

Speaker 6 (21:29):
Why wouldn't somebody close to you sit there and say
that you were capable of doing this, that you you
have a tendency, that it would not be uncommon for
somebody to piss you off, and that when you get
you know that when you get pissed off, you get mad.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, I get mad, But I know the difference from
fucking stomping someone's ass out or shooting them. I will
not use my gun. I'm two hundred and eighty pounds.
I don't need that gun unless someone's breaking into my house.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
You're telling you the facts are the facts.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
I understand everybody. God damn, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
I don't know. I ad.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Like I said, We're just here trying to figure out why.

Speaker 6 (22:06):
You know, because listen, unless you can give me a
good reason, tell me a good reason why your gun
would be ballistically analyzed.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
There has to be, because I have not shot my
gun in two months.

Speaker 6 (22:20):
There's no mix up.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
I'm telling you, there's no I have.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
No idea what to tell you, the man, because you
know what, you can check my records. I may miss
one or two days in the last two months.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
I go to work.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
You miss probably a Monday or I know I missed
Mondays because we work hard days and fucking I wanted
three day a week because I'm tired.

Speaker 6 (22:42):
If you recall what days did you miss? I mean,
what were the dates?

Speaker 5 (22:47):
You keep track like that about it.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
Absolutely. I was just surprised that that you can't. I mean,
I can you know you can't say I don't know
what I was doing on this day. I can tell
you a lot of what.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
I'll tell you what two days ago.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
I asked my wife, oh, ship this Friday, the second,
isn't she gonna know it's eighteenth?

Speaker 5 (23:03):
I thought today was gonna be the second of October.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Because how hard I work, I get caught up in
the days.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
We don't want to tell you.

Speaker 6 (23:10):
Man, Well, I'm not asking you to tell me anything
tiring labor. I'm just I'm just trying trying to trying
to get things figured out as to why.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Like I said, that's the only thing I.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Don't that reason, because I didn't do this.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Man.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
I understand, believe me. I'm not calling you.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
I understand what your evidence is saying. But I don't
know how this happened. Bro, I fucking I'm not sure
my gun.

Speaker 6 (23:33):
In two months, dude. And like I said, that's why
I'm here talking to you, because all my evidence, as
you know a little bit.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
It's telling me a story.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I know, but I have no idea what to say
or dude, I don't. I have not fired my gun
and at least two months, and.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
Again you can't give me a good reason why.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Again, we just didn't go get your gun for no reason.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
There's a reason though, because somebody can called tip line
and said, hey, I'm want fifty grande. There wasn't had
nothing to do with it. There was no tip to it.
It was just plain old police worker. There was no
tip to it, no nothing.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
Okay, well, how is my name just top up in
all this investigation.

Speaker 6 (24:10):
I just told you.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
We have video.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
They've been videotaping the freeways for a long term now,
and there's to have there's.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
Camera cameras on there right now that just have feet.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Cam is not even a live feed.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
They record. There's cameras every mile on every major freeway
I know, okay, And those cameras they sit there and
they provide this information, and then you take that information
and then you move forward. Then all of a sudden,
your gun is located at the pawn shop.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
And I have not shot my gun a few months.
I know that because I know when I go shooting
that note again.

Speaker 6 (24:45):
Like I said, I know what. I just don't know why.
And the only one.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
That knows you you can't say, oh I did I did.
I'm telling you I didn't.

Speaker 6 (24:54):
Well, you get a polygraph.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
If you get a polygraph right now, I'll pass that
ship because I have not.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
So you're willing to take apology, take one right now? Okay,
all right, we'll sit there. I'm not worried about a
drug test. I'm saying, if you're willing to take a polygraph.
I will talk to my supervisor and see that. Now
my question is this polygraph. You take this polygraph, and
if it comes back and it shows that you're not
being triple with me, then what then where do we go?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Because then all you.

Speaker 6 (25:25):
Have is all this evidence And then this polygraph comes
back and it says Leslie is not being honest. Okay,
but then where do we go?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
The only way that will happen is it someone because
I know I shot.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
I'm hearing.

Speaker 6 (25:36):
What I'm hearing is again all these people are trying
to do this.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
I'm telling you this is not.

Speaker 7 (25:42):
An opinionated thieves work.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
And you got understand that.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
I'm just saying. Then explain to me if you're saying
this not to me to tell.

Speaker 5 (25:52):
You man, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
I'm just telling you I have not shot on the
fucking that's just stupid, retarded.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Then how did this evidence springing here?

Speaker 5 (26:02):
That's a police worker?

Speaker 6 (26:03):
Yeah no, no, it's I'm just telling you. How did
how did this evidence point me in this direction? If
you're telling you you didn't do it, then how did it?

Speaker 5 (26:10):
How didause somebody told you that I'm capable of it.
But I'm telling you right now.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
I don't give a fuck with people. Say I'm not
gonna hurt someone, I won't take their life. That's ridiculous.
Well didn't say you were trying to hurt anybody. I'm
just saying sometimes things happen, Sometimes get people get frustrated.
You don't have to speak me, bro, I'm saying, you
know what.

Speaker 6 (26:28):
The person wanting that sit there and they just get
frustrated and they just boom, they start popping off, runs
off the car and we deal with that all the time.
That's not me though.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
I'm not that stupid and irresponsible to do that. That's
what I'm trying to tell you.

Speaker 6 (26:44):
I can only tell you where we're at on the evidence.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
But I just don't know what to tell you, man, man,
because I have not shot my gun in two months.
I haven't.

Speaker 6 (26:53):
That's just straight facts on that. You keep you keep
coming back to this too much. You ever shot your
gun in two months? Where did you shoot your gun?
Two months ago? Down pir at PR We're at a.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
PR down underneath the bridge. You walked down probably about
a mile is there nobody around? Shoot trees and a
little bit of water there.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Okay, this was two months ago.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
Easily, okay.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
And then what time were you down there by a
PR shooting?

Speaker 2 (27:21):
It was a Saturday. I wanna say noon one til
about four I go down there hanging out, shoot it up.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Mkay.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
Do you ever offer Damon to go out and shot
with you?

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Or do you ever ask him to go out and
shit with you?

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (27:36):
Do you do that every other weekend?

Speaker 4 (27:38):
No?

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Yeah, it's just expensive. You can just go out every weekend.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
And again, obviously you know there's a reason why I'm
making the statement. M You know, cause I'm being told
that you ask every other weekend for him to go
shooting with you.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
No, No, every I mean once once, twice a month.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Fail you want to go, I might go shooting if
I have the money.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Nine ten times I ain't got the money. Well, I
don't call him.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
So you understand where I'm coming from.

Speaker 6 (28:03):
There's a lot of information we're getting and it's it's
not lining up with the information I'm getting from you.
So again, so are you telling me that these other
people are all liars?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Or yeah, I'm telling you that I asked him. Maybe
when I am gonna go. It's been once or twice
a month?

Speaker 10 (28:21):
Is that once or twice a month, okay, so again
every other week.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Okay, altogether I've asked him maybe five times. O those
five times, I'm not went one time.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
But if it's every other month like you just said,
or a couple of times with you know you like
just what you said. If it's a couple of times
of months, it's every other week. So but Damon's telling
me he is correct that you ask him approximately every
other week to go out and share with him.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
If it's twice a month, I've asked them maybe five
total time to do That's the truth. So I don't
know you want men to tell you on that.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Man, I'm not asking you to tell me anything last week.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
I'm just I'm just trying. I'm trying to understand things,
and like you said, I'm trying to get to the
bottom of things.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
I'm looking in your eyes and I'm telling you as a.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Man, I did not do this. Man, I didn't do this.
I'm not that irresponsible.

Speaker 6 (29:11):
There we could somebody have been with you in your
car that maybe I might have done this. Do you
have any information on this? Is this maybe how that
your gun got involved?

Speaker 4 (29:21):
You know what?

Speaker 5 (29:21):
The only guy I can say that it's trying to
fuck me over. Is a guy named all Illegal Chilvis
because he just got fired from a job.

Speaker 6 (29:27):
What's his name again, alleg Chilvis, Abellegal Chovis. Is that
that's the same guy that you commuted with up until
the last time that he got.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
This last week.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
He's the only person I would know that I would
have a problem with me, okay, And why would he?

Speaker 6 (29:39):
Why would he?

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Because the day he got fired is because I was
fixing all his mistakes at the job site and I
called on my text and I said, hey, man, send
a picture.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
I said, I'm fixing your ship. Because he didn't dear right,
and he said, oh, well, Dave told me that's how
I wanted it done. So no, it's not because I
know how the job's supposed to be done. Since then,
I mean, I guess that's probably why I have to
following him.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
Okay, all right, Well, let's could it possibly be that
maybe you were in a car? Old on, hold on,
Maybe you were in a car with somebody and obviously
you said that your guns aways with you. Is it
possibility that maybe you were in a car and somebody
else was in the car with you.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
Nobody touches my fire and it's fired off your gun.

Speaker 6 (30:16):
No, okay, So if that's not a possibility again, just
you let's listen to me again trying to get to
the bottom of this. If you're telling me that it's
no way of possibility that you could be out driving
on the interstate on im and you're driving, somebody else
is on board or vice versa, and somebody takes your
gunna fires it. But yet we know that your gun

(30:37):
was involved in this. Again, where is this taking me?

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I don't know, I mean no, when I shot my gun,
you has not been fired within fucking twenty miles of
the ken.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
I don't Okay, go ahead, sir. So it's got a
jobs Has you ever gone and taking your car out?

Speaker 4 (30:59):
As fuck? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (31:00):
You got a job site down? Then go ahead, man,
go you gotta go bed and take my car, mkay?

Speaker 6 (31:04):
So like has it athen a ut and god fucking
guns under my seat?

Speaker 5 (31:07):
God damn it, there you go. I when I take
my I take my gun on man, work my gun.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
You know, obviously I'm not gonna walk around the job
site with my gun.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
I could be a possibility, but yes, he has taken
my card. You know, I go ahead and bull bath
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
But when you can ask damon, you go ahead, cause
I already know you probably in contact with him whenever
he did go to the restauram thirty forty five minutes
the restaurants quarterm all down the road.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
Kay, let me just that's the only pos man, So
then we could visit this. Where were your job sites
during the month of aut hold on.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
Okay, August?

Speaker 6 (31:50):
Where were you working on the month of forty fourth Street.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
And Channel Boulevard and uh went More Scottsdale.

Speaker 6 (31:56):
Headen, Scott's Stale Hayden and forty fourth Street and Channel
Boulevards are okay? So is that the two locations that
you had been working for the whole entire month?

Speaker 5 (32:04):
First almost shit the majority for the majority?

Speaker 8 (32:07):
So then during those months, did you ever go and
work on a Saturday and a Sunday?

Speaker 6 (32:14):
No?

Speaker 5 (32:14):
No, Maybe I might have worked a Saturday, but I can't.
I mean, you guys ask me to remember days for
I in fucking bat to the day. I'm yslexic man,
like gotta get numbers, dates, all that shit. You know
what I mean? You could your let him go away
and borrow your gun. This guy shots. Noah, dude, I'm
telling you, nobody will borrow my gun. So we've been
tell me when he would go and take your car

(32:35):
to go to the bathroom, my gun's in the car
to look.

Speaker 6 (32:37):
You gone for a good thirty five forty minutes.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
Yes, sir, kay, that's the honest truth.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Alright.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
And you worked a few jobs out east and one
up at.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Scotsole Road and Hayden.

Speaker 11 (32:49):
You said, okay, so when you come back to the car,
do you ever know the scene that you're like guns
out of place or anything.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Or do you know it's been a couple of times
I thought maybe they'd phone out of cause there's I
put it under my seat and we became time to
have to put it back in my holsters.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
Though, I mean, I don't know if you could have
fell out or maybe he was doing that. But I'm
telling right now I have never buy her shot on
the freeway. Dude, that's just I'm telling you. That's a
stupid shit anybody could do. So tell us about this guy.
What's his name again? I was Leo Chopper?

Speaker 6 (33:17):
Hey where is he living?

Speaker 4 (33:21):
Alright?

Speaker 5 (33:21):
Go fifty fifty cound back if you're heading see north.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
If you're heading east, make a right fifty fifth, go
to stop sign, make a left, you go down the
wolf track.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
There, what's his address? Let's see one? So hard for
the third house on the right. About my count from away?
About like how far away from your house?

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Is he living?

Speaker 5 (33:38):
About three and a half pounds? Okay, so pretty close?
Is this the only guy that you own?

Speaker 4 (33:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:43):
I've had other guns, but I lost Adam Mosa in
the gun him ninety one thirty that lost to the
pawn shop.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
Pay your own.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
I used to have it within my cousin then, cause
she bought it and I was supposed to buy for
my H and R partner upon twelve page.

Speaker 6 (33:56):
But I no longer have that or the Mosa m care.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
You don't have any arsel in your house?

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Not a fuck, no, fuck no.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
That's my only gun I have. You guys can go search,
you can do it every like. Oh, trust me, that's.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
Happening right houses.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
That's fine, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
I have no arsenal.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
So do you do you feel like you're do you
do you feel like you're a pretty.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Responsible gun owner?

Speaker 6 (34:20):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (34:20):
Yeah, man, I got gunlocks. I fucking I won't leave
my gun down. I put it up enough.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Uh what do you call it?

Speaker 5 (34:25):
Top of the closet? I got two kids, man, I
I cannot be responsible.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
So are you somebody to see I'm trying to get
maybe some of your house. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
I do go shooting maybe places I should not be shooting, Okay,
but I made sure that I'm not.

Speaker 6 (34:40):
Are you aware if anything is missing? In other words,
browns missing out of your gun? I'll put you this way.
How many browns does your mag MELI or high point hold?

Speaker 4 (34:50):
What is it?

Speaker 7 (34:50):
Eight?

Speaker 6 (34:50):
In one capacity?

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (34:52):
And then when you get home do you be secured?

Speaker 6 (34:55):
Do you sit there?

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Do you take the magazine out out? Take the magazine back? Well,
if there's one in, now rack it out. Put my
gun knock on Okay.

Speaker 6 (35:03):
At any point when you've done that, after this individual
that you work with has been in your car to
go use the restroom, did you notice anything where rounds
were missing or anything?

Speaker 4 (35:15):
You know what?

Speaker 5 (35:15):
There was a couple I don't know, a couple in
the cup holder and I was said, what are those
doing there?

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Hold on?

Speaker 5 (35:20):
Maybe they fell out of your gun? And I was like, no,
did they don't fall out?

Speaker 3 (35:24):
You keep extraminition in your car.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
N not only the that two hundred and fifth actually
turundred fifty six rounds.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Cause I was gonna go to the range they were stolen.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Oh, I had a backpack black danceport, two ndred fifty rounds,
my high point box you're must and a cleaning kit.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
Would you do you feel like you would have known
if your gun was fired when these guys had your car?
You know?

Speaker 4 (35:49):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
I mean, I'm I'm not going to sit there and
check and take you apart and everything thought, Now I
wouldn't it it's on.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
But you you feel pretty confident that you would have known.

Speaker 6 (35:56):
If you're missing a round out of your magazine.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
No, I mean I don't. Like I said, I don't.

Speaker 6 (36:02):
When I take apart, I don't count around. It's take
them out. I leave on top of my digresser.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
So you take them.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
You take your rounds out of your magazine.

Speaker 6 (36:08):
M okay, And how many rounds is your magazine?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Hey?

Speaker 5 (36:11):
But I mean I'm not sitting there counting and I
just pop them out, put him in, pop whenever.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
So when you're backloading them again, I don't count them.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
I just put it in because I don't have I
don't put them back into the bucco mo rounds whatever.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
I have, just put it right here and when I
can get ready to go out, put.

Speaker 6 (36:27):
Them back in. Okay, do you do yours have any
little indicators on side of the magazines that indicate it's
got like two two view windows? Okay, thing that you
noticed that was out of the ordinary?

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Bout those view windows?

Speaker 6 (36:40):
No?

Speaker 5 (36:41):
No, I'm I don't what do you call it? Forensically
scan my gun every time I use it?

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Man?

Speaker 12 (36:47):
Okay, okay, So what are you saying is that you
go home at the end of the day and and
you unload your gun, so you don't keep it loaded.

Speaker 11 (36:57):
But yeah, you buy the gun for protection for your
family cause you're in anybody, cause you're in a bad neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
So what are you gonna do if someone brings in
the house.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
Well know, my wife have a strategy. I'll go find them,
show a little no gun and bring it to me.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Isn't that kind of like a waste of time?

Speaker 5 (37:13):
Got kids?

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Man?

Speaker 6 (37:14):
I thought I did tell you I got kids.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
I can't just leave a load of gun in miles.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
What know?

Speaker 3 (37:21):
What can you give us a couple of minutes? I
know you mentioned the the polygraph test.

Speaker 6 (37:25):
So I'm gonna just give a couple of minutes just
so that I can get some additional information to bring
back in and then I'll I'll sit there and all
type to my supervisor and and like that this is
something that you interested in doing and see if it
can't be set up. So if you'll give us a
couple of minutes and we'll come back and and uh
readdress this.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
Okay, can take a break at twenty three forty three hours?

Speaker 6 (37:50):
Anything else good on monitor?

Speaker 4 (37:53):
I'm alright, O, yeah, how you doing?

Speaker 5 (39:03):
I remember since one of the morning. Okay, we were
back in the room. It is twenty three fifty five
dollars still on the.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Eighteenth, is it cever?

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Lessening Ye went back and reviewed some things earlier.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
I was asking some questions and I was sitting with
some different things cause I wanted to get a fill
of when you were being troupl when you weren't being truful,
Cause honestly, I know a lot of things that you
don't time and I saw w I only heard one
honest thing out of you, and uh that's just based
on my honors of the case. And when I hit
you with when I hit you with that you were
shooting out of your car. That was the only time

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that you were troubled with me. Only time that you've
been troubled with me in this whole entire interview.

Speaker 5 (39:48):
I have my life user.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
I'm telling you, that's the only time that you've been
honest with me, because I went back and I knew
that you weren't being honest with me. And then when
I hear you with the one thing just to see,
just to see if you were going to be honest
and not honest, that's the first time that you.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Were honest with me.

Speaker 6 (40:06):
When you said, yeah, nope, I wasn't shooting in my car.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
It was I know you weren't.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
That's the only time you've been honest with me in
this interview.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
The rest of the time you have it, ask yourself, yes, sure,
based on what we have evidence wise, what do you
think a jury.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Is going to think?

Speaker 5 (40:24):
By the way you have, I have no add the
lawyer in no way to prove my hands and well.

Speaker 6 (40:27):
I'm just telling you, I'll put it this way. If
you were on a jury and I'm sitting there and
you're listening to this, and I'm telling you, I have video,
I have ballistics testing.

Speaker 5 (40:38):
You can't.

Speaker 6 (40:40):
You can't argue the ballistic testing, the science that you
can't argue.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
And you own this gun.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
Nobody else has bothered, has borrowed it from you.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
You have it with you.

Speaker 6 (40:52):
You have it with you at all times. Right when
you leave your house for a personal trip, you have
it with you, right when you leave it to go
to work.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
You have been with you.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
If you were sitting on a jury, what would you
what would you say? I mean, if there's a guy
fighting the clearers name like that, taking a consideration, you
know this is really trying to prove that he didn't
do this.

Speaker 6 (41:11):
Just take a minute, just take him. I understand frosten
to everything.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
Twelve people, maybe one of them will believe me.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Well, just listen to the facts.

Speaker 6 (41:19):
You always have the gun. It's always with you at
all times. Nobody has ever borrowed it, nobody else. You've
never loaned it to anybody. You were the one that
has that gun at all times. This gun has been.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
I'm just telling you, if you were sitting on a jury,
what would you think.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Obviously, like I said, eleven people would say it with me,
but I had not done it, and you would be
the only one that wouldn't think it was you.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
So were you seeing that you would be the only.

Speaker 6 (41:46):
One out of this twelve jury pool, you would be
the only one that would be sitting there saying, I'm
sure it'd be.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
A couple of people. Would you know?

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Maybe he didn't do this with all the evidence.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
I understand sir, but I'm done.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
I did not do this thing.

Speaker 6 (42:00):
I have no reason to lie.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
No, I don't want to fucking callers yet. I got
a family to take care.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
And that's that's that's that's another. That's interesting you bring
that up, because that's going to be my next point.

Speaker 6 (42:10):
If if you're saying that you weren't doing the shootings,
I spoke with your wife earlier and she said that
she was with you on the twenty ninth all day.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
She said she was with you all day the thirtieth.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
Is that correct, that's the weekend? Men were together all weekend.

Speaker 6 (42:29):
Well, I'm just asking you not I think I believes
that is that the case with my wife every weekend?

Speaker 5 (42:35):
Okay, any day I'm not at working, I'm kids.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
So if that's the case, and these are dates that
these shootings occurred, and you're telling me that you didn't
do the shooting, So where are you telling me?

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Right then?

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Well, then look at where I'm coming with this.

Speaker 6 (42:51):
So somebody had to do it.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
It wasn't my wife, it wasn't me, then.

Speaker 6 (42:55):
Well, if you were with her all day these days
and these bullets were fired on the these days and
we're recovered on these days and they come from your gun, No.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
She's afraid of gun.

Speaker 13 (43:06):
She don't even like the fact that I have a
gun or had it gun now, So I mean, you
know what, you understand what I'm saying, But no, neither
one of us.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
You know, it has to be one or the other here.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
No, it's not.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
That's why I don't know. I tell you, and neither
one of us. Okay, you know one of us.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
You said that you you're gone shooting recently out by
pir Have you gone shooting any other place recently? The one?

Speaker 5 (43:30):
The only place I've gone is pi R or shoot
as well, that's okay?

Speaker 3 (43:34):
And have you gone with anybody?

Speaker 6 (43:35):
Has anybody gone with you when you've gone shooting?

Speaker 5 (43:38):
Her sister in law and her boyfriend?

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (43:40):
And who's your sister in law Seraphie and bern okay?
And who's your brother?

Speaker 5 (43:45):
No, her boyfriend, sorry, her boyfriend like her name's Marco's.
I don't know it's last name. She left her husband
and now she's what that you that's hard.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
To tell you, okay.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
And and you recall when you went shooting with them,
know of this Saturday?

Speaker 5 (44:06):
It was in I think I wanna say in August.
I can't give you that excep. No, it was Saturday
in August. Man, that's trude.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
That's no.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
You don't what they've been made you way in your life.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
They ha been in July. I you know it was
your life. It was around July fourth. I believed you, mkay.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
And when you went shooting with them, did they shoot
your gun or did we?

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Oh? Yeah, oh yeah, okay, I.

Speaker 5 (44:38):
S that's I sat my sister ano how to shoot
a guy. Actually, never show her untwn here, let me teach.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
You, mkay.

Speaker 5 (44:44):
So, so you asked this guy Daved to go shooting
with you all the time.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
No, not all the time?

Speaker 5 (44:48):
Man, how's he ever gone shooting with you?

Speaker 6 (44:49):
No?

Speaker 5 (44:50):
He uh, his wife dot sad want the tight at
leash act, So he don't do that kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 (44:56):
No, all once or twice.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
He never went one time with me, not one time.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Mkay.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
This guy Travis dyg uh t duh. Does he own
a car? Yeah, he got the van. He has a van,
Toyota Siena, a Toyota Siena.

Speaker 6 (45:11):
Okay, he isn't the only car he owns.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Oh, I never seen him, but he says he has Alexis,
a Nova and two other vehicles.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Any kind of trucks.

Speaker 6 (45:22):
Might not a trouble.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
But all of his ship's up in Williams.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Mkay.

Speaker 5 (45:28):
So man, cause.

Speaker 11 (45:32):
From uh going in and talking with Damon, he says,
you're the kind of guy to go and put a
lot and uh put a lot of like uh of,
uh of.

Speaker 6 (45:39):
Uh bullame on somebody else.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
M nah, I don't know too.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
Man. It's me.

Speaker 6 (45:44):
It's me, but I'm telling you this right here.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
It is not me. Mkay.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Then what car were are you in?

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Then? Uh?

Speaker 6 (45:50):
What car were you in when this happened?

Speaker 5 (45:53):
I didn't know it. Okay, that's the thing. The other
car would be involved. M I don't get inspire my car.

Speaker 6 (46:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
The thing is, Leslie that we've a lot of the
people that we've spoke with, and the reason we just
keep coming.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Back to this.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
Okay, we know what this is.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
And you know what, I talk a big game. Man,
I'm talked about how I want to get all these guns.
I'll never be able to afford guns.

Speaker 6 (46:19):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Well, we've also talked to a lot of people.

Speaker 6 (46:21):
Where they basically have said that, you know, when you
do something wrong, that you have a tendency to want
to blame others.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
And well, I'm just telling you, I'm just.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
Telling you what people have told me, and I'm not
saying just I'm.

Speaker 6 (46:37):
Not even worried about datment. Okay, I'm talking your wife.
I'm talking people that are close to you. Well, I'm
telling you I spoke to her earlier, and you know
she was here, Larry, and you know that I spoke
with her. I'm telling you, I've spoke to people that
are close to you, and they've all told me the
same story. The same story is that when Leslie does
something wrong, Leslie won't own up to it. What he

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does is he blames everybody else. There's always another reason,
there's another person, this and that, and then.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
No, no, there, there is no running, no story.

Speaker 6 (47:09):
Okay, because it makes sense because I'm listening to you
and I'm listening to demon Is this another one of
your conspiracy type stuff here, because I'm telling you, I'm
telling my ship.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Well, obviously you're not on it up to it, as
my boss, I fucked up somebody's concrete with a bobk
You know what we already know.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
We already know all about that, and that was that
was another one of the things that we were told
that you tried to sit there.

Speaker 6 (47:32):
And say somebody else didn't that's a crowd of ship.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Well, I'm not telling you a crock of ship.

Speaker 6 (47:36):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
I'm telling you the facts.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
I'm telling you what I was told, and what I
was told.

Speaker 6 (47:40):
I knew all about that. Doing the donuts and then
losing the load.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
I never lost them, Yeah it was, but they told
us what they told us.

Speaker 6 (47:47):
It was.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
It was like some bricks that were on board. There
were some donuts, and then the bricks went all.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
Over the place, and that one in a Bobcat. I
believe in tire marks everything. I've never lost a little
because I don't the only time I used to doing
tire marks in a Bobcat.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Yeah I did that.

Speaker 11 (48:01):
I did that, and then you blame somebody else on
no Okay, why would your own life even go and
tell us, yeah, I think he did it.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
Why would she tell that? No, I'm telling you, she
said that bullshit.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
I'm just telling he's telling he's being honest with you.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
I'm being honest with you. She said, you are capable
of going and doing something like this.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
So that's where I'm confused, leustly, because talking to these people,
they're all telling me that you have a tendency to
want to blame everybody else.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
How close can you do them up on those cameras, godfriend?
And that you will not see me fire gun on
the freeway.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Okay, so who are we going to say?

Speaker 5 (48:43):
I can't tell you that because I don't know my
gun has been at the pawn shop or in my
damn fucking cause it. Man, that's it. I don't shoot
my gun in the city like that.

Speaker 6 (48:52):
That's just stupid.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
It's just I'm not that dumb man.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
Well, you know what, it's not a matter of trying
to question your intelligence. Every everybody does stupid things.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
Yeah, but I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
I would never fire my gun at a person and
left they're an immediate threat to me.

Speaker 6 (49:07):
I didn't say that you were firing at a person.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
You're saying I was fighting that cars. There are people
in those cars, correct, I would.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Not do that.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
Okay, So there was someone in a in a a.

Speaker 8 (49:19):
Threat to you, no wild driver, excuse you saw me
that when you driving on the freeway, when someone say,
sick resemble.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
Got a little too close, little on the road, rage
you ever gone and showing your gun?

Speaker 4 (49:33):
I would my.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
Truth or den's true?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Man, I know I understand that a gun is a
very fearful thing to a lot of people. So I'm
not just gonna go, hey, fuck you, that's stupid.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
You don't do that. Ship.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
I mean, I'm being as honest as I can be here, Guys,
I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
I didn't do this.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
My wife didn't do this. I don't I don't have
the answer, you know.

Speaker 6 (50:02):
All I can tell you is I'm trying to give
you every opportunity to explain why. I know. I know what.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
I'm sorry, Leslie.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
I can't understand you get beyond that.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
I know what happened. I just don't know why. And
we're trying, We've tried every which.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
Way, are trying to experience of the public with all
these theories. I'm trying to appear to the public. I
got no reason to do that, man, I don't want
to make me doing that.

Speaker 11 (50:26):
Despite you know, you seem to have a fascination by
going to jail about about.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
By stuff about stuff going about certain people going and
being in prison. You're asking damn about his time in prison.
Your dad was in prison? Was your dad in prison?

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (50:40):
That don't mean I'll I go to prison.

Speaker 11 (50:41):
Okay, but you have a cordig like you have a
good little fascination about it, like your constantly.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
I like to know what it's like to have because
you know what I have. People say, you know, prison changes.
You're gonna say, well, how is that what happened to
you in prison? That ain't changed?

Speaker 6 (50:54):
Okay, So they didn't right there? Do you think you
need to be changed?

Speaker 4 (50:57):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
I don't want to prison. I live my life right away.
I don't get in no trouble. I don't still. I
don't go out and hurt people. I go to work
and I come on pay my bills.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
In case you have at all.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
So like, have you ever been arrested before?

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (51:12):
For what?

Speaker 5 (51:12):
Okay, getting in fights with my family. That's most of 'em.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Uh And then what was it.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
Seventeen? No eighteen cause my son was born.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I got uh arrested for stelling copper off the telephone
bolls and I still a ressecution on that.

Speaker 6 (51:32):
How would you describe that you'd do with frustrations in
your life, Leslie?

Speaker 5 (51:36):
Well, most of the time, I just bring through it, man, Yeah,
you can't. Once I'll get me out, I'll hit a walk.
I ain't a life fuck out. I hit'll a walk.
Oh now it's breathe through it. Tryna call myself down
and walk away from the situation.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
It's not worth it. Okay.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
How would you describe your life right now? Is there
any frustrations going on?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
And it's frustrating Now I'm being understanding you have evidence.
I'm not tryna call your lie or anything there.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
It's very frustrating when I'm telling you I did not
do this, and.

Speaker 6 (52:00):
Yes you did did No. I, Like I said, I
I don't have to tell you anything because my evidence standing,
so I don't.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
I don't have to tell you anything.

Speaker 6 (52:08):
I'm just trying to figure things out and and like
I said, I'm just trying to figure out how you
deal with stress. I know how people that I said,
that are.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Close to you, that I've spoke with, how they've told
me that.

Speaker 6 (52:18):
You know that when you get stressed, you you get angry,
you get you get frustrated.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Or or somebody does something that you don't like is
a weapon and very angry.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
So you know, I have logical thoughts with on that.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
I'm not a s A A fucking mad ape guy
out there just means call I understand, I'm just as
a uh what do you call that example. I'm not
just gonna flip my shit and fuck I know, no,
I have no reason to do that. It's not worth
it that I got two kids in the life to

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worry about.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
It is not worth going to jail.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Well you know, like I said, and you're going to jail.
That's there's no way fans with what's about it? And
that's what I keep trying to tell you. I have
enough I s to sit there and.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
Move forward on us. I understand. I don't know what
to tell you, man.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I fucking never fired my gun on the itn on
any freegrant for that matter in the city.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
No, no, oh, that's We're ever a tough time trying
to believe you right now. I understand that, man, But
I don't know what to tell you, guys. I'm telling
you the god on the street. I would not do this.
I would not do this. Who wants to fucking go
to jail when they got a family own?

Speaker 6 (53:36):
Well, here's the thing, I don't know that anybody really
intentionally wants to.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Go to jail.

Speaker 6 (53:40):
Kay, I ain't just like what I told you people.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
I wasn't angry. I didn't do nothing out of spy.
I didn't try to scare nobody. I didn't try to
scare the public. I I'm not that person. I didn't
do this shit. I didn't do this. I don't know
how to tell you guys anything.

Speaker 6 (53:52):
I do not do this.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
My wife didn't. I know she didn't.

Speaker 6 (53:57):
She's afraid of guns. I didn't.

Speaker 5 (54:01):
Matter of fact, she can't even drive on the freeway.
She doesn't got license.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
She just drives occasionally because I'm trying to teach her
so she can get a license, because come taxis and
I want to get a truck.

Speaker 5 (54:09):
So she can have a car to take my kids
to appointments while on network. Do you want any of
the cars?

Speaker 6 (54:17):
Can ever go and borrow another car at all.

Speaker 8 (54:19):
You gotta have a car to rear borrow, No, no,
tell me to fuck off ask hers car. Okay, we
brought like somebody else. My grandma got the truck. She
wan't to know where to drive it. I've owned several cars.
I've go, girl has a truck.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
She has a S ten black as ten?

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Is it black?

Speaker 6 (54:34):
SSN? Is it?

Speaker 5 (54:34):
Actually?

Speaker 4 (54:35):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (54:36):
It's her name? She's still paying for it. It's running
off the ground.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
Is the truck?

Speaker 5 (54:39):
Little baby Trige? Just grneral truck.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Okay, but I can tell you I've owned a Grand
Marquis h Osmobile.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
What else, Chevy Malibu, Saturn and I on and this Saturday.

Speaker 6 (54:51):
And I have Now have you ever borrowed any of
your wife's relatives cars for anything? Maybe your car's not working,
maybe something's going on with that.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
I I only taking my father in loss Tahoe from
him back to my mother in law's house, which is
to wear from where to wear from seventy fifth in
Indian School to forty seventh Avenue Nicolect. Okay, if you

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wanna know they're oute take seventy fifth up to glend though,
go to Myrtle take murder all the way to his house.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
I you know, I, I just I don't have any
answers for you last me.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Don't believe me, man, if I knew anybody that may
have done this, I'll tell you now.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
I don't wanna fucking him. I got a family to
worry about.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Land Why my wife don't work, my son she can't work,
and my son's got them issues.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
Who's gonna play the bills?

Speaker 6 (55:46):
Me? I'm not gonna jeopardize my family cause I don't know.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
Fucking got scared of the public. Fuck that.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Well, I can only tell you what the evidence is saying.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
I don't, man, but I don't like to tell you
my I her as you said, your only truth that
I have not fed my gun on the freeway, which
I have not done.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
I've never done that.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
No one's borrowed my car except for I will lead
over to go to the bathroom. I've never borrowed anybody
out of this car. My wife can't drive on the freeway.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
And she don't like guns. I don't even wanna tell you, man.
You know, I don't know lift the truck. I fuck,
I don't know where to lift the truck.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
Okay, what was what does a lift of truck.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
How to do with anything?

Speaker 5 (56:28):
He mentioned a lift the truck, he said, why, he said,
my girl'd truck. It's not lifted or anything. Big off
through him.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Oh, he's just trying to get an idea of what
the truck looks like. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm no, I
don't wanna.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Tell you, man.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I mean, like I said, the only time he could
have been is Ido took my car and got on
the freeway.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
That's all I could tell you. I would not do this, dude,
That's not me.

Speaker 6 (56:52):
And why would he do that?

Speaker 5 (56:54):
Fuck?

Speaker 3 (56:54):
If I know, really you know this person better than
I do, tell me about this guy.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
He got the stressful life that you got six kids
in a fucking cheating life. He got stressed. I ain't
got stressful life.

Speaker 6 (57:05):
Oh has he ever mentioned anything to you that he
was out there using your gun shooting the cars on
the freeway.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (57:13):
But I mean, you have no reason to believe that
he was just in your gun to shoot the cars
on the freeway.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Do you no?

Speaker 5 (57:17):
But I mean, that's it. I'm just giving you after
as I got man ner in my head. I have
never fired my gun on any interstate freeway or highway ever. Okay,
so we go back to August twenty nine.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
What were we doing on on that day? Do you
know what I did?

Speaker 6 (57:39):
Pond my gun?

Speaker 5 (57:40):
I was twenty nine because we were at home.

Speaker 6 (57:43):
My daughter's crying and said it's wrong.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
Oh, she don't have the foremanes ponly gun gets the formula.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
I bought fourmula and some sidewich shit so I can
eat at work, put like fifteen bucks in my gas.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
Then me and my wife went and got ship when
he went back up home. Three Synia.

Speaker 6 (58:01):
Do you know anybody more money pawn?

Speaker 7 (58:04):
It's a military guy, and we talk every time we're there, Kay,
any friends or anything that work there, cause it means
seems like like you said, when you've pawned the gun
three times, that you've ponted it more money.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
Because they'll give you the most everybody else's it's a
high point, you know.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
I obviously you guys know guns. High points are cracked
gas guns. Well, they give me the most money, So
I go there.

Speaker 6 (58:24):
Okay, every time that you've gone and you've ponded there,
have you dealt with the the same guy pretty much?

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (58:30):
Mkay?

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Do you happen to know his name it all or anything.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
That maybe Chris, I think I'm not too sure.

Speaker 5 (58:37):
Can you kind of go in describe him?

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Alright?

Speaker 6 (58:40):
He's a header, he's a big dauty.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
You know, he's ex military and he got to arm
bat and tattoo square dolly, you pretty built, dude, y kay,
white brown, the same.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
Color hair as me.

Speaker 6 (58:55):
So you think you pawned on the twenty ninth, I
guess you talk you just absolutely yeah, Gona take a break.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
It's it's zero fifteen hours on the nineteenth of September.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Good swimming, Its good. Good.

Speaker 6 (59:12):
Now you've listened. Now go to your thing.