Teenager Shows Detectives His HORRIFIC Crime

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
I heard someone okay to do my job.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Since you come faceto Google, right, Yeah, you want to
look at the format him, I.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Knew the basics, Scurry writes, Yeah, that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
But I gotta go over a pall.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
You just make sure we don't understand, okay.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, so when we go back over, I didn't quite
understand the days or what I ended up took the
body you said you tried but I didn't work out.
Just go Boddy wanted to start back in the beginning
and go slow and tell me play details.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
As you can remember. So, because I mean, Murray going
to jail for fifteen years, probably I have no idea
because we're at the beginning.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
It's I mean, I'm going to jail for okay, twenty
probably figure why if I didn't, okay, So what's important
to me is to learn as much about you and
what you did as I am.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well, many details as you can get a little better.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
I drive a two thousand and seven five hundred, okay,
and I keep a small eighteen inch bat in there
for self defense and a large kitchen knife in the
deep of a box above for self defense, because I
don't really trust anyone there are really any part of

(01:30):
this town.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
So that's why I have both. And let's see.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, it was the.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Night of February twenty seven. It was a full mood.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
And I figured I could see, so well, why not
drive out? And I am in a bad seed in
mind at that time. I am I have major depressive disorder.
So I am not thinking, shall say positively, I'll go,
And I am cruising around for an hour hour and

(02:05):
a half, so I fill up on gas halfway through,
and I'm eventually driving underneath the bridge near the sheriff office,
you know, like how oh yeah, and before you start
you say you have a major depressive disorder.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I'm just curious, what a loring lot said?

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I settled, I have h functioning Asperger's, Okay, I have
add a major depressive disorder okay, major depressive cereting MAD.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
That last minutes, yeah, I know what they are.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I was curious. Yeah, if you.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Want the exact diagnoses what and who diagnoses them?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
It was Brandon Phillips from Counseling the specula from which
Champlain Lotus Council. It was I want to see years
ago and that he said, it looks like you have
acor depressive destory. I could be wrong because not formally

(03:12):
diagnosed me, but that's what he told me I have.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
So let's just say this is the office, right, and this.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Is the parking lot of take a turn, and here
is the bridge that one and it was right here,
I mean still the bridge right here on ground. Yeah.
I'm a bad with I'm bad. I'm just.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
I have a habitually shake her me too. Can I
get the password for your phone? They just want it's
a it is a drawing.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Code, county.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Growing up a picture or just put a big one
down there and left picture a little suit. I have
a question, m do you send people who have committed
crimes like me? Do we stay in this county jail?
Or are we moved? And all depends them?

Speaker 2 (04:15):
With the ghostes.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
You start off here, okay, so I remember, yeah, then
you go do do do? I'm here yeah there where
you go to school? I've went to Broadway Elementary School

(04:38):
just across from my dad's house.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Then I went to.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Uh Brooklyn Middle School, right, I did true monement high school.
Actually before f major, I went through Monument day nine
right then, and then I was transferred to R five.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Okay, did you finch out? Did you graduated last year?

Speaker 4 (05:03):
The pre Okay?

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Do you work? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Where do you work at?

Speaker 1 (05:12):
How?

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Even part time?

Speaker 1 (05:13):
I was gonna say part time, not even as a
backer slash Percy Quart for safe Way. I work anywhere
from four days a week. Okay, which whe'd you say? Fun?

Speaker 2 (05:25):
The one right past the bridge near this location?

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah? Right away? Yeah? All right? Are you so we
were at the bridge. I didn't thought I would have
the bridge dolls too. You know, there's a road underneath
right Tave hundred you over path, And I was driving

(05:51):
along and I see a shape here on the railway track.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
So I'm like, oh, it's interesting. It's like oh and
I wasn't looking.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I feel large thing wrapped in a canvas okay, And
I'm like, that's a homeless person.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
So I grabbed my knife.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
I put on three layers of gloves because plastic gloves
can betray their users because there's still a final gloves
by bringing your fingerprints food. So I put on too
three on one hand and took the knife. I pulled
back the canvas and I just stabbed his neck. Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
He was panicking at first, and he old my hand.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Boys, he was in a fifty kind of why I
know why I call him old man. He was saying,
what are you doing?

Speaker 5 (06:41):
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Why? Raw? And I just kept on stabbing his neck.
I was he was, okay, if.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
I do a Demonstralia, this is him.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
I was struggled on top of him like this okay,
and he couldn't fight back. It was actually spreading me easy.
I was barely breaking the sweat. I buy home guy,
he's gonna be tough. But no, it was actually surprisingly easy.
And during the time I was growling and making the
animalistic noises, what are you doing that? I suppose it

(07:15):
was a fund of me. I was so excited, so
I set on a trendline every day and I aau
said he said, why are you doing this? And I
and I said, I haven't wanting to do this for
a long fucking time, tart or something, And then I
continued the whole argy, laughed about a minute and a

(07:38):
half and I stabbed. When I was finished stabbing him,
he took out his last threat a grunt and his
head was halfway cut off, his stabs all the while. No, Actually,
after I killed him, I just couldn't stop staying stinky, sneaky,

(08:01):
wasn't I wasn't saying anything but.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Good morning, okay, And.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
You remember doing it, So.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, I suppose it was just me speaking out my
mind at that moment. It was pouring out of the mind.
What were you worried about?

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I mean, this looks like it's pretty close to the
roads of somebody singing, well or catching it. It was
eleven PM, so not many were driving high. Well, it
was behind the pillar, so like here's the road, it
was here, so people would only see a brief thing
here and here. So were you worried about I'm saying it.

(08:43):
I was worried about one of them stopping. But then
they think it happened, Well they looked, Well, it was
quite dark under there, so they wouldn't have seen the guy,
and like they looked, they would have seen me holding
a blighty It's knife and wearing gloves and wearing a
mask to consume.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
My daddy and face mask. Okay, so you weren't doing COVID.
You were doing.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Their partially right, and uh yeah, but no one stops
and then I'm just like, yeah, proves the bystander effect,
and don't you got to cut on your hands? From
all that was when I was doing gas, when I
filled up. I mentioned I filled up gas when I

(09:29):
was driving around. Okay, I was driving around.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I was on a quarner of a tank, so I
filled up on gas. What happened was because I didn't
want to be.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Seen in a gas station with a knife poking out
of my pocket.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I put it in the car on the backseat floor.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
When I'm done with it, I try and grab it,
but my hand flips and grabs the blade, and as
I pick it up, it plaices these two fingers. Okay,
like a lot of time, the tree stoves while.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I know I had to go. It was one of
those knights.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
That was like the Knight.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, but I had Okay, he found it in my.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Car and then let's see yeah, and then after that,
I stripped his clothes. I cut open his belly. Let's
see his guts. They're really painted, so I thought it
was morbid. And then I cut off his head.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
I gave him a glass coast smile. It's a a
joker smile.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
I destroyed his eyes by stabbing them and okay, and
then I cut off his hands, doze in plastic tiplock bags.
And then I cut off his right arm at this joint. Okay,
at this point and then at this arm. I had

(11:04):
tried cutting it here and then I tried putting it here.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
But what happened was I accidentally broke his boat.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
This one it was poken out, and so I left
that one here partially cut decembered here boat, stick it out,
and then I left his body there. And then I
took the head, put it in the leftover the box
from a dinner a few nights ago. And then I
took the hands, put them in the back throw home,

(11:38):
hit the hands and hang in my room. Cleaned the
knife throw away in the garbage with butt on it,
and then put the blood stained wasn't stained, had splatters
on it.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I put it in the dish in the the washing machine.
What what I put the outfit I murdered him in inhere? Yeah,
I always worry on a wash machine.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Put it on high speed so it would have effectively
ruin the blood.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Washed it twice.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
And then I tried going to sleep, but I was
worried that because there was a hole in my glass
right here, I was worried that it would be to
obtain a partial print, so I figured might not go
all the way. I drove back in a different outfit,
picked up his body surprisingly heavy, put in my trunk,

(12:34):
and drove to the blue hair and drop off station. Okay,
I parked. So it's like this, right. So let's say
this is the ground. The rain is quite sneak and
you need to have full well.

Speaker 6 (12:46):
Drive to.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Pull out of it.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Okay, and my car didn't.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
I thought, so I would.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
I thought that I could.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Uh, because I put it. I put him reverse, as
that easier to pull the body out and be because
the back tires are provided a polishing to push up right,
and I open.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
A trunk, I take his body out.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
I put it in the water because I don't want
fingerprints on a body, so I just try moving in
with my shoes. That works excessfully. He goes out some
part in the river and flops off. Okay, God knows
where he is now. Maybe a heat he did story. Okay,

(13:35):
God knows where he is now. I think my guess
was that it would be discovered this morning or next morning,
so I keep my eye off running late activities and
so back up just so I only track where my

(13:57):
mind is. So you kind of open to cut his
arms off, his hands off all up before he went home. Yeah,
before I went home, I tossed the arbits around like
I took the right arvat threw it out, and I
took the left art of it through went somewhere around
the bridge. Yeah, but look in a because I know

(14:19):
crime scenes can be a very wide area. You're going
to want to look in a fought in a ten
foot area like this is a zoom in. So here's
the road, and here's where my car was parked. You're

(14:43):
going his corpses here. You're going to want a crime
scene that's roughly to the railroad tracks because they're right
here on each bridge to the railroad tracks here.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Just help your search. And who's the room this is
right here?

Speaker 1 (15:02):
This is that road I'm listening to that room it
goes to like underneath the ride.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Hit the road that comes on the back of the
tax that the road that goes back behind the tail.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I'm not quite sure, but one that comes across the
room to your house.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
To your mom's house.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Do you mind. Sometimes if I could show you that.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Road I'm really bad with streets, or.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
We could get you a map.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Maybe a share work, Okay, And I've got two times
puts anyway. Yeah, that didn't want then.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Then when I tried to Vai try it out. Yeah,
my heart.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Didn't come out from blue hearing, Yeah, from blue her
My heart stuck.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
I tried putting it full throttle.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, that doesn't work. My cart didn't have four wheel
guye me okay, And so then I try to putting
me in over here I'm trying to have and it
still doesn't come out. And then it flies into the river. Oh,
my car flies in the river inside. Oh, and so

(16:11):
I'm there in a car quickly being flooded with water. Okay,
in the middle of February. It's hold at night.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, in the.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
River that's almost freezing. Yeh.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
I drenched.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
I am a die so I'm able to climb out.
I don't see the boting, So I'm I assumed this
child a bit and I come up and I'm sitting there.
I need to act faster else I'll die of hypothermia.
I'm I'm panicking of it at this point.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
I'm gonna be like move.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
I remember it for dying on Michael Thurbia and the
boxed attends to hide in a body and I'm just
like right, So I'm running. So I go the road
and I'm trying to find out a car. One doesn't
come by for five minutes. Eventually does and it was
an old high school friend. I don't know his last name.

(17:01):
His first name teller, Hey the lll Rkay you.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Don't remember his first name?

Speaker 1 (17:09):
No, that's his first name. Oh okay, I don't remember
his last name. He's an old high school friend. He's blonde, hole,
large in the middle. Yeah, he's able to those bits.
Samaritans right helped me call my parents to let.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Them know my cards in the River Cay and to
the two am. And what'd you tell your parents? I mean,
you know, obviously you know I tell the Carson River.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
So what I say is I feel like I need
to get out. I often do I feel like I
need to get out my bot?

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Have you remember?

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Absolutely? So I say that I drive down to the
blue hair and points and just park and just turn
off the car and think, okay, And I tell them
I'm stupid and I parked too low and then my
carst life in the river. Okay did they believe in yes? Okay,
so okay the police.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
The police came too.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yes, they called the police because they tried after while
they were warming up, they tried five different tow truck companies.
All of them said, oh, drivers off shoes or oh
we don't have the proper women. So they called the police,
and so one of them told them to call the
state patrol. They couldn't get the number from the state patrol,
so they called my homeland. Okay, then the police came.
I didn't do a reply and test because play wasn't drinking.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
When did the police to the sheriff that it was
the police?

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
All right? They I remember clearly they were in black
or dark pooliere.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Okay, An, you weren't drinking.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Are you drinking?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Are not drinking?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
I was. I have never touched any substances, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
And while we're in that area, do you take any
medications for the okay? Take can you want regular amounts
for that?

Speaker 7 (19:02):
No?

Speaker 1 (19:02):
I was on nothing.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Oh I didn't take any of that. No, I only
take the age.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
At all. It's kind of mean whatever a training attempt
that means when I have something to do, like work
for wh I'm going out.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Okay, all right, all right, And so they took the police.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Came in and they said, yeah, well it's best if
you just so they called that guy who was going
to come out, Okay, he isn't able to get it
out because he's in the water in the dark, feeling around.
N seen, the river's muddy, right, So they just wait
until this morning to put out.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Well that's fun.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah. However, what immediately caught the police's attention is what
from the body was on the reverse bumper. See, I
was so see I forgot to wipe it off, and.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I was so painting, I wasn't sing. And so when
they pulled, they immediately.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Steeple out on the bumper and they're all thinking, we
really like to get the truck. Fools.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
There is nothing in the trunk.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Okay, And that happened this morning.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
No, they noticed it last. They noticed it after I've
been sent helme at three am. Okay, they noticed the boy.
But yeah, this morning they noticed more of what on
the door handle, the public door handle, passenger line. Yeah,
and also the multilayered clubs in the car. I took
them out of it. Obviously my car went hurt before

(20:35):
I was able to throw them.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Sure, so did the cops talk to you guys about
that this point? Did the cops from the police department.
Did they happy about that this morning?

Speaker 7 (20:46):
No?

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I was not contact.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
All they were gonna all they were planning to do
with me today.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Is have get my inter shurts information. Sure, and they
were still curious about the blood.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Did they ask you about that?

Speaker 4 (21:00):
No?

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I did not notice it while I was still there.
So when you say they were curious about the blood,
how do you know that?

Speaker 1 (21:06):
They were curious because my parents told me, and they
were curious that I was.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
I said, I don't know where.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
The blood came from. Oh, guys, it does. I had
no idea. They thought maybe you was cut, but obviously it.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Kind doesn't produce so much.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Why And they said, maybe you would be recovering assets
centered my arm, but that's the CABDA And so they
were just they were they didn't know what to belief
this day because it's blood, it's sticky and sinewine.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
But I can't name a source.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
So they were just a tiny bit curious. We got the.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Water by the way, I'm sure. Do you need more?
I will make in other beliefs, you know.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Let me go get one.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Okay, if you get one too.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
I think you punted some of these too.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Oh okay.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
It was on crossing Crosby okay, and worse than I don't. Oh,
there's track, there's the sheriffs office. Like I said, you
go up me, and there's the road. And it was
on Crosby Avenue. It was on this side, on this side.
I was on this side, underneath the bridge, okay, where

(22:29):
I didn't so I just took a picture.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
That's always track where I'm at.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
It's okay, of course it's glare.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Tell me trumps, that's right. I hope I'm being cooperated.

Speaker 6 (22:45):
No great, think about show.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
You so you can just walked over here I could have.
It's no use trying to the seat for so big.
So it's one on the west side of cross is
the west bag. And you threw.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
What all did you throw?

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Why you were there? I mean, I hear my own.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
There are two pieces to a farm this section and
destruction okay is general area. I can't I can't say
where they are under Broadway at Crossway whatever.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, how people helped that. Oh yeah here, Yeah, we
already got it. We already got it, okay.

Speaker 6 (23:31):
And and then the.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Body you know where blue airon is, Yeah, it was
done there.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Okay. They're on the boat ramps the other board. So
how about so you talked about his arms and talked
about his head. I guess you kept the head. Uh yeah,
it was in my room closet, the body of the
blue hair. And what about he said he took his
clothes off of it. They're still there. His in the coronas.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
There's no, they're still there.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
It's just the pile of his sleeping things because he's
there on the back side there where all the blay is.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Hey, on the back I just want to make sure
I have that. But so they arm and his cloth
are near crossing.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
You know, like the like here's here's crossby Avenue and
here's the bridge. Here's the crime scene. Heels a railroad.
The arms are around this area the pillar. Do you
think you threw them past the road?

Speaker 4 (24:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (24:27):
No, they're between those. And then you said you took
the head in the hands, And when did you put
that in?

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Well, there's a there's a three rule for bodies, like
they call them three, tell me about that. Three days
the body starts to stink. No, three hours, priter mortar
sts body sis. Three days the body starts to stink
because of deep composition. Three weeks the body is starting

(25:01):
to seriously e compose.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Three months. The bodies that I recognizable three years and
turned into a skeleton.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
And man, how you know that? I just I've always
had a fascination with forensics and with anatomy and Physiolso
that's something I made up. That's something I didn't want
to sound like I hadn't been banging something. And that's
what that's why calling three people. Do you kind of
remember it? That way?

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Get your way very accurate?

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Well so what so much?

Speaker 4 (25:32):
So?

Speaker 2 (25:33):
So yeah, so what did you you have? The head
and the hand and your house? The head I put
because it was starting to stink.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I was planning on throwing the head and hands away
on the trash bag and not in the kitchen trash.
But they were open trash bags. The head was in
trash bag and I tied up the trash bag. Hands
I put in a trash bag as well. They were
in good Bok bags and I was I was planning,

(26:02):
do they sell empty paint buckets.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
I was planning to.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Buy an empty paint bucket, put the head in it,
feel it, and then I was going to throw it
off in some dish like three three forty Broadway, in
that area where it'll be hard to reach. He'll pay hands.
I was thrown at a different spot forever.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I just wanted to make sure. Have it right.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
The head is inside of the trash bag, it was, well,
where is it now? In the kitchen sink? My parents
searched through my room and they found the head and hands. Okay,
and so are the head and the hands in the
kitchen think now?

Speaker 1 (26:43):
My sure?

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Okay, so there in the kitchen things now because your
parents put them there. They were in my house, were
in your cott What kind of what kind of trash bag?

Speaker 1 (26:52):
What exact kind of trash bag?

Speaker 4 (26:54):
White?

Speaker 2 (26:55):
White, like a kitchen water or what left kitchen? Okay,
white kitchen let you put in a trash can?

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
And then what about the hands? They were inside the
big blocks you.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Said, both in it's in the same, both in a
different trash.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Bag, okay, the white kitchen trash bag, yes, but now
they're in the kitchen thing yes.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Okay, still in trash bags. Okay, okay, So.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
That's the arms of the clothes, head in the hand,
and then the whole rest of the body you put
in the.

Speaker 7 (27:25):
Room where he is now right, but it was put
in there, yes, okay, all right, okay, yes, do.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
You you can keep going. I'm sorry, I just want
to clarify those things. I'm just trying to cut this course.

Speaker 8 (27:44):
You know, Brian, I had to ask a lot of
people that we have talked with. You know how old
yours has.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Well spoken that you aren't be Honestly, you're very articulate.
You're very articulate. Would think you're really.

Speaker 7 (28:00):
Articulating, and you you talked about you were just kind
of in a bad space that night.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
It was yes, okay, why was playing.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
A bad state?

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I didn't take my medicine.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
And plus for years I was wondering what murder would
be like because you reach ship like Hi Bundy and
the Zodia actually all say murder is the best you
in the world. So I'm like, I'm gonna try it out. Okay,
So for some time I've been wondering when it would happen.
I always knew I would be in this building or

(28:35):
that it was a criminal or police officer, Okay, because
I was planning to go in the military. Gods, right,
And how.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Long have you really, you know, honestly think you've been
thinking about really at some point you wanted.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
To know what murders felt like a year?

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Okay, all right? And you said your break book. I
read books. I have a book on forensics.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Did you read the book, the Ted Bundy book?

Speaker 4 (29:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I have not read that Bundy book. Okay, I probably
have been experts.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Have you seen, like, you know, a little content from
it or things like that.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I'm not sure what book you're talking about. And the
one you mentioned that the whole about TI on the internet? Yeah, okay,
all right, all right? And and Peter had studied him too,
you know, so.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
You know who that game? I know California, good, yeah,
studied him. I know of him. He was, he was
a lot of place. He was an Awai. He was
six or nine three pounds. So kind of took question
almost to all those people did this for some sort

(29:54):
of wonder they have less somebody was some sexual radication
in their In criminology, there's different types of I'm not
a serial killer by no.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Means, but some serial killers. There's different types of men.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Is organized, its organized missionary missionary and just wondering what
what gets you excited about doing it? Well, I'm not
really especially attracted to it. I was just asking it
was it was just curiosity more or less? Okay, And
you talked about cutting up.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Nice to be a maker.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
I know it's not easy.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Just called hand, so yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
It was a good night.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I was just just did you practice on anything else
as you know how to do it?

Speaker 1 (30:42):
No? I just wint along as the process the bones,
I just pressed the belie down went okay, but then
that believe it is okay? And how hard to do
that took them? Actually not particularly hard. I was just
more frustrated eyebroke of So if you haven't got frustrated,

(31:03):
what sure? I mean it sounds like what you did?
We know?

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Did you have a different plan?

Speaker 1 (31:09):
What are the originals are? Because I always wanted to
know what it felt I had to cut up someone, okay,
sitting homes?

Speaker 2 (31:17):
So why did you stop?

Speaker 1 (31:19):
What do you stop?

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Because the arms, that's it and that's all I wanted
to know.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Was was like cutting off the land.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
And I'm just like, Okay, Okay, and you said you
just studying criminology and forensics all out, I not not college.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Studying at school. Say it's like a packing interest.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
I understand, But what were you worried about, like leaving
evidence behind? Oh totally. You tell me about that and
what you did. Well, I was figuring the police don't
this is not to be taken offense, but police they
don't seem to care as much about higher risk individuals,

(32:02):
homeless people, prostitutes, et cetera. So I was deliberate was
looking for someone who lived that type of life. Okay,
And I found a homeless person in the original goal
was just in there. So I was worried about the
fibers on the outcohols where that would beat on his

(32:22):
clothes and stuff. So I deliberately messed up the clothes,
not cutting them up, just throwing them around. And I
was worried about just how long it would take to
find him, because it's saying somewhat travel road. Eventually someone
with the windows gout down is going to smell something

(32:43):
off right, at least have a nose for that type
of thing. They're trained to field to identify the small corpse.
So that's where the river idea came from because a
river will wash away a lot of it. Evidence vers
are quite tricky, and obviously that was watched. So how

(33:07):
long have you been planning or looking for someone to
do this with before you found this guy?

Speaker 2 (33:15):
About a year?

Speaker 1 (33:16):
A year? No, six month?

Speaker 2 (33:18):
So have you come close or.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Send somebody or chick them out or anything in the past. No,
I mean I was looking for.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
A deliberately seclated place like that one.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
I wouldn't just go up and click in and find
someone walking down the street and stab that at two
public aggulancies. Have you looked like at the homeless places
anything in the past.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
I have, Yes, I've been.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
It was.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
I would go on night drives often, maybe once every
two weeks. Now just puris the streets. Okay, So before
this guy, how close had you come in the past?
Not at all. I'll me just drive around, you know, look,
just try and find some anybody interesting, you know in
your mind, follow the plan. Well, occasionally when you see

(34:10):
girls walking down the street, I take a glance at
him because it really is like a camper where half
of me says, but I'm quite a next point in
I'm being honest, I'm no cafine, but after me says
I want to take that girl home and get her
feel nice, and the other half of me it's just

(34:32):
like what Ed said is I want to see where
her head.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Looks like on a stick. And so occasionally when I'm
driving down or if I see someone that catch it, fine,
I'll just like.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, and someone if you fought a lot about the
fibers and get rid of the body.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
I don't know how were you worried about.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Getting caught away we're doing it or before you do it.
I was worried about afterwards because because for these pass
for the past day, and I wanted to say day,
because fast day and a half including good day. So

(35:14):
some aches because not only is my car in the river,
there's blood on it, there's body parts in my house.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
My parents like to look at my things occasionally and when.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
They see blood, and eventually when they're going to get
the news that our body was found in the river,
that's very much circum circumstantial evidence that's pointing to me.
So I was very much anxious these past days that
I was eventually going to get caught.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
What did you think about if you get caught? Well,
I figured my.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Mother would have confronted me about it, but no, she was.
She didn't even say it until the police arrived. I
thought the police would handcuff me, but apparently I've been cooperational.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
So do you know who the person was? Would became?

Speaker 1 (36:12):
I know I took his wallet. I get it. Well, guy,
I just picked it up, briefly scanned over it, and
put it in my car. Apparently it was Warren. My
mom told me this before she found out that the
missing person was worn to brown and bore in sixty three.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Okay, flight, that's it, okay?

Speaker 1 (36:37):
But where was?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Where was his wallet when you took it?

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Any stuff? At the year? Well, I'm when I was
whom like on this person of his past or what
it was? I think it was in his hands, okay,
And when I was moving his pants around, I felt
that if I pulled it out and like.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Superhero?

Speaker 8 (36:58):
Okay, what kind of wile did it?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Black black heart? Okay, it's not a soft wallet like
what I have like my rock wall? Is it thoft
is leaving? But it was all as straw hard the
wallet was?

Speaker 2 (37:13):
It made you happen to know? Is it a byeple
which means to or a trifle exactly. It was a trifle.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Bay, I don't have if I be in the back.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Did you see that?

Speaker 4 (37:26):
No?

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I didn't, Okay, your mom told you. Yeah, where did
you put the walle my passenger seat? Okay? So we
talked about the stuff that they're living to look for
your mom's Olfan was saying, apparently the life is where
my dad's founded in mecom box. I don't know where

(37:46):
it is. Okay, you'll find a.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Blood or anything on it. I cleaned it, and then
what else are we looking for?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
That's all?

Speaker 2 (37:57):
The shoes were best shoes all this prolongings, except for
its ball at a right here at the time it's
head in his hand there at the house. And what
were you wearing? I was wearing a dark blue ah
jumper suit. The saying that the one piece fips up

(38:21):
and that like, what were you wearing?

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Those things are very comfortable, actually, I think they're very
compa And the reason you were wearing dark blue one
piece up? Well, uh, you know the movie Halloween. Michael Myers,
he works on the boughs and for Halloween last year

(38:48):
I bought.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
That as a costume to fund the mask in the room.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Okay, and yeah, I just associated that piece of an
article of loathing with violence. That's what I was wearing
it that my yes, okay, and then what else do
you want? That brown sho brown thick shoes.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
We'll see them in my house. Okay, are in the living.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Room, so you know brand.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
I'm sorry, I just know. I don't know the brand.
All I know is that they're they're brown and wet
because they have blood on them.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Okay, so I'm in the bathtub, so do them like,
why did you go wild? No?

Speaker 2 (39:32):
But it's hard Tom. Just where I'm sorry they are.
We're in the living room. Okay, we're in the living room.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Behind the couch. It's a space behind the couch in
five five feet by five feet.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
You'll okay, okay?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
And yeah, he usually when all you'll probably can I
let it too much to serve? What else were you with?

Speaker 1 (39:58):
That's it? Well, I was ring a shirt on any
one of those gonna launch a pile on which one?

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Remember which one?

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yellow pants, the jumper. The jumper was in the pants okay,
you're underneath and the jumper okay, no pants, they underwear,
but okay, socks, remember socks. I was wearing a paradery
socks or did you wash those? Well? Ahead and wash them? Okay?

Speaker 2 (40:29):
How about your gloves thrown away?

Speaker 1 (40:33):
We're at.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
My mom's house, okay, and there.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
In the square trash man, we'll see the body, trash
and the gloves.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Okay, the inside or outside outside? Okay, you're in the
front door.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
How about what do you want to have?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
No face mask? What kind of black the one you
have today today or a different longer? It was in
my car okay, I'll foot it. Okay. Is it still
in the car?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah? For the off yeah, okay, so that the black
mat and the wallet are in the car. Yes, the
night I think is the car at night. You don't
know what your dad took it.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
I think the lots my parents took as well.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
And then the jumpsuit, the shoes dirty joe suits in
the dryer.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Okay, So the jumps in the dryer amount.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
What you washed a couple of times? So, yes, I'll
let your mom's out. Yes, okay, what what would you
use to wash it? They put it in the washing machine,
order the loss of so put it on dirt removal,
stain removal.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Extra wash. And I did that twice okay, and I
missed one thing.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
I know you said that he did you seek the jumpsuit?
He said it kind of reminded you of violence because
it came from the Halloween movie.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Yeah, it was a it was a it was a
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Watched the movie, so I don't know which one you're
talking about.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Original. Oh, okay, all right, there was a care of
the brand. Yeah, it's a jumpsuit. Quote quotes a puntion.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
I just wanted to know the booth to clarify the
movie because I didn't. I haven't seen that.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
That's not my kind of movie, So I did you
haven't seen Halloween?

Speaker 2 (42:40):
You know, I've seen part of that.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
I came a long time ago, probably.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
A long time ago, but it's been a long time since.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
I've seen that.

Speaker 9 (42:46):
So sorry, Okay, I have to ask, and I think
you internet, but I'm not one hundred percent sure.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
You said you've thought about doing this for the last
six months a year.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, have you ever done it before?

Speaker 4 (43:08):
No?

Speaker 1 (43:08):
No, okay, you got to ask, right, Yeah, how about animals?

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Have you practiced on anything? Yes, it's pretty big stuff.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Tell you about that person. It was twenty eighteen Halloween.
A stray black cat has been coming around our house.
And this was before I moved into my mom's.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
This was out my dad's and I was thinking about
killing him.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
I then hit the body in the shoe box and
then I disposed through the trash and got away with it. Okay,
that cat.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Did you keep him for a while?

Speaker 1 (43:45):
I keep in this guy, or I could have it for.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Three days that it started distincting. So I read you
about the three days in those thinks.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Also, because bodies back furious starts to bloat the body
after a day to three days.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
So when did you start thinking about killing people?

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Six months ago?

Speaker 2 (44:08):
So holder, I turned nineteen last month, So when looking
geary ten months ago.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Thinking back, it sounds like you killed a cat. Well, actually,
I'll think of killing people during the cat, but I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Acting on him.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
But I started seriously thinking about the billion people I
year ago. How about when you were twelve? Did you
think about you now? So what in your life was
changed or what in your mind has changed? Maybe now?
Was it like something most and one day you woke
up and thought I'll kill someone? Or was it the gradual?

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Was gradual?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
I think?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
So you told me about when those thoughts were throwing up.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Well the high school.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Last year, my parents found a kid I had to assembly.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
It had hammers, shovels, knives, lark sid tie, duct tape song.
I was never hurting people. They found it out and
I had convinced them it was via other methods, for
other methods, for other things like it. And it was

(45:18):
an ultimatum where if I didn't throw it away all
that that they will call the police and then I
would have been arrested on charge of c I s
at s. Yeah, that was last year before probably, So

(45:42):
what made you put that kid together? That was for
nights like that?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Okay, so my kind you were thinking about doing that?
So that was a hundred dollars smot how much was
the US this time?

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Twenty? Those are the same one the lots when I
got was very sharp and impressed me. So I bought
the same one. Okay, what'd you buy it? Safe weight?

Speaker 4 (46:07):
My work?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
When here a long time month month ago?

Speaker 1 (46:21):
And then I didn't.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
You said it's really sharp. I excerised what I did
the precision age.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I couldn't cook precision age totus in age like they're
just selling on the shelf like deals in a package
with the other kitchen layer.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
When you did well, I'm sorry, okay, I'm I'm sorry, Peter.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
I'm really curious when you talked about the hammer and
the shovels and then I had been like the did time?

Speaker 2 (46:55):
I mean, what what kind of your plan? Then that's
a little bit different than you did this time.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah, the one the plane back then, the plan was
to go find because there's are prostitutes and grant junction out.
Have you ever.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Had any sex times? Yeah, there's not prostucts.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Like five of them standing along inside the road, but
there's prostis that junction.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
The plan was to go with one of them and
have them come with me, and then the plan was
to subdue them and tie them up and then torture
here that would have been sexual issue. This was just
to see what it felt like. But that would have
been sexual. So you've thought about the sexual killing. The

(47:39):
cryst one was just see where killing from. Yeah, that
makes sense. So what made you.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Not go back to the same plan and get you know,
if you kind of had that as.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
A plan, what I have been caught? Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
My point is if your folks.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
You monfened yourself, right, yes, and got rid of it.
Why didn't you go back to that plan? Why change plans.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Too much risky to Simon Row, They'll be okay, that's
really suspicious. But okay, we forgave you. Don't do it again,
we'll have second tiro. We're calling the police on you.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
I didn't want to do that again, okay, fair enough,
dress And so they didn't call the plane.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
No, because I felt that they gave me an ultimatum,
have them to throw it all away or call the police.
So I threw it all the way because okay, so
you did you thought if you started rebuilding that plan
they find out yes, okay, okay, all right, normal way
plan it was on is improvised kind normally planning. Just

(48:48):
if opportunity presentatives opportunities, Yeah, it's the opportunity, then that's okay.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
If you had not been taught by your help, what
do you think you would have done that with the kid?

Speaker 1 (49:04):
I don't know it.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
No, No, let's let's talk about like today. If if
you would have been able to get rid of the
head and your folks did not mind it, well, it
depends would you guys have been able to.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Solve it. If the body was down the river, the
head and hands were missing, and there were an opener
printer right, what we'd like to think?

Speaker 4 (49:27):
So right?

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Like, yeah, we'd love to think. Sobody, we didn't solve it?

Speaker 1 (49:31):
What happened?

Speaker 2 (49:32):
And what would you have thought him to do next?

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Well?

Speaker 2 (49:35):
I thought I would have been very careful because I
would have been worried. At any moment this could become
a cold case and then it could be solved.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
The lad on down the line. It was just as
you would have felt like. And if I had gotten
away with it, I would have just kept the secret
to gre grief. So to should have felt?

Speaker 4 (49:57):
What?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
What did it feel like?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
It was intense? It was it was a Russiament journalist. Okay,
my whole body was shaking, not like out of fear.

Speaker 6 (50:08):
It was like.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Something you were a feeling before.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yes, what, yeah, it was it was two years ago.
Well no, actually it wasn't. It wasn't. Occasionally I my
thoughts get the better of me, and sometimes I don't

(50:39):
have this kind of It isn't a panic attack anything
like that. I'll give you an example. I was I
was watching the video when all of a sudden I
get I'm start going into that sal thoughts.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
I get the feeling.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
I know that it isn't, but I get the feel
that there are eyes on the walls, watching the eyes
on the furniture, and I cover myself up by like,
oh god, eyes.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
And I'm worried if I stick anything out from the
bed and lads will come up and chop it off.
And I don't know, but I know that's not gonna happen.
But I'm worried about that.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Okay, So then I was I hope, I was shaking
up the hancile. It's like a fear on my eyes,
not really fear. There was a thought that and I'm
killing the guy. It was the same. It wasn't. It
wasn't fear.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
It was just pure.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
That's the word.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Excitement.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
I suppose. I'm not excitement as a joy, just excitement
as it increased heart beat, h sweating, that type of thing. Yeah,
how about I love breaking his sweat, killing the guy?
It was cray.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Did you enjoy it or do it?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Did I enjoy it? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Starting in the whole thing, I didn't enjoy it, but
I didn't hate it.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
So I'm curious about the cutting him, taking parts of
him home and people were taught about.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
So it sounds like you've had like Ted Mundy sex
type stuff.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
The camper just killed people because you want to kill somebody,
plus the sex us, So how about Jeffrey don't really
it was really inspired by it. It was just the
more when just time to think of all the people,
like the people and do it. So absolutely, oh yeah, okay,

(53:09):
I'm going here offly a lot of what else? So

(53:29):
apparently we know what you did, right and you're here
to help me, Willes, can you tell me not only
help me with your base, which the more you can
tell me about, the better to help me, but like
maybe somebody else is in school now, or can help
catch somebody else. But I mean, I don't know what's
in your brain. I don't little un wants you to

(53:50):
kill him? What's in your brain?

Speaker 2 (53:52):
I was a suicide, I want to say two years ago, okay, and.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
I uh, let's see. I had expressed thoughts as killing
myself to my therapist bread and he said if I
ever felt like that, that they were going to crisis now.
And I do feel like that eventually, so I was
taken to my experience and offered.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Most like, and I'd stay for like.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Eight days, okay, or I could go back home, and
I chose back home option.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
And I don't even care so much.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
How about anything else about killing people or you're planning
or I mean, how long it sounds like for quite
a while you've been driving around thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
That's how often you're driving around a week, every two
weeks for how long?

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Once day?

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Two months? Okay. I was caught doing it before, and
so they didn't let me go anywhere really cut my parents.
My parents called me.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
They didn't really want to be going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
So I didn't do that for a while. Then about
two months ago, maybe three, I started doing idiot.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
When they then catch up? Uh, yeah, was with the kid?
Oh they didn't. So he was driving around with the kit? No,
I was walking around, but okay, so we said I
was driving, but I had the kid went out such
a couple of places, kind of walking around with the
backpack and the kid. The backpack had the most stuff

(55:50):
and if the kid just trying to look for someone. Uh,
they caught me when I went back inside my parents
copy they didn't check the kid back act. But they
were like, what do you doing how?

Speaker 4 (56:02):
And I'm like, I'm getting a breath.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Of fresh air, and you're like gonna hate. But it
was a few days later when they found out I
wasn't a kid. Okay, so I'm almost confrontational about it,
and yeah, I stopped doing it for a while there
because of the risk.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
And then three months ago and you started driving around.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
And you yeah, but a new kid. Yeah, no, you
a cake call it.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I guess it was just it was just clogs in
the night, okay, and a plan. Yeah, okay, every time
you drive around, you wear the.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Same jumpsuit and stuff or no, I would occasionally wear
other I would not. I would sometimes rather closed. Yeah,
for the most part of the jumpsuit was reserved for
vacation like that. So if she found somebody, yeah, somebody
you feel better or a stir them. You look like
Mike Myers.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Associated I just only bought it because I was stressing up.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Its my comya.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
That was for Halloween. It wasn't because of my book.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
As it was.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Because it's so nondescript. Okay, it's just a suit. It's
just a one piece suit.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
You know, it's not any individual brand or anything like
that that anyone can identify. So it was just some
two avoid didn't call out as though. Partially yeah, because
I didn't see any fiber. I mean there's probably five
hours doing off of it, but I didn't think there
was maybe anything that could come off of it. So

(57:39):
what so you went home, took up, watched all that,
did you like take a shower, do anything that way?
Did you have blood on you? I had one on me.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
I washed my hands, you know, I'm Stirling. And was
your mom home?

Speaker 1 (57:55):
No? No, no, she was on my dad's. I made
sure to never do anything that was disquieting, okay with
her around.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
It was always her at her dad's house, at my
dad's house. And then I do have so any idea
like a time of night when you started looking for
this person that night of the murror, which was.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Ten pm, nine thirty, ten pm, And I found that
person that I found Warren Brown at eleven, murdered him,
got back home at about twelve because it was about
thirty minutes fifteen minutes I spent there mauling his body,

(58:46):
and then and I tried to go sleep for an hour.
I was worried about it, so got dressed up in
a different outfit, got his body at why and failed that,
got a car at soon after, and a yes lasted
and I went home at like three. So before you

(59:10):
found him, like, did you work that day or now?
I couldnt work that day because of the abscess on
my arm. I was not working at all, okay that
week because it was too painful too Okay, So as
you decided that's what you were going to go look for,
so you put on those clothes and started out or
something different. Part and so when you first started looking

(59:32):
for him, was that your intention? Like when you started,
I don't know how else to ask that I was
going to kill someone that night? Well, you were going
to work for someone that money. Yeah, when I when
I was driving, I was always looking for someone. Okay,
And you already have those clothes on or something different,
so wait, let's let's let's restarted it. So after I

(59:54):
had after I got the different clothes.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
On, the goal was to kill another person. Okay, No, no,
it wasn't you. You were talking to different.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Yeah, when you left your house at nine thirty, I
know exactly where you two are rising your when you
left your house at nine thirty, that night you were
in the blue clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yes, you were heading out to go find somebody to murders.
The opportunity to row, it's the opportunity to row.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Then you're saying when you went back home, you just
got on a different clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Because you had already watched them li stuff. And then
when I got the different clothes, that was the dispose
of the body. Okay, not to murder someone else, No,
it was to dispose the bodies. Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
That What clothes did you put on?

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
The second time?

Speaker 7 (01:00:36):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Black skinny jeans, name sure, okay, and my jackets, bus shoes,
my nice shoes. Those are covering my behind the caps?
Well okay, what kind of shoes up?

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
They looked like the cut not its worn down?

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Okay, black count descript So anytime during the night nine thirty,
Oh wait, don't you get stuck in the How did
you get from there by your house? When I was
because the water went into the car, went into the water,
because I kind of pulled up the hill I was
in it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
I got out, I was drenched, it was cold. I
would have gotten.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Hypo there and yet I hear we died, and I
made my way up out of the park, not into
the road, and I was trying. I was waiting for
someone I could black down. And it happened. It was
an old friend, high school friend, Keller, right, And they

(01:01:46):
let me heat up in their car, and they let
me call my parents. My parents showed up, called tow trucks,
none of them none of them were able to and
then the police came. And yeah, then I was dropping
fellow up with that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
Keller.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Tell me about So where did you know Kellor.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
From our five or forrud heard h okay, happen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
To remember his blass name?

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
And you said day? So, who's day? Keylor?

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
And his grandpa?

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
I am assuming it was his grandpa. It was an
older man that was driving. From your age? What kind
of car? White?

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Four door?

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
At you? I guess I'm not sure what it was?

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
When was white? Did Kellor your same age?

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Figure Paul, did you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Know him from the school?

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Do you happen to remember if you was up in
years down in years he was the same year?

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
So should have graduated?

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Did you graduate on time? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I did you graduated when you were supposed to graduate?

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
So he should have graduated from twenty twenty also right, yeah, okay,
blond hair you said, big.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Guy, yes, okay, okay, Paul the name, and you're pretty tall.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
How tall are you? One hundred and eighty nine cent
meters okay almost exactly? Sticks for two half inges okay,
two hundred and twenty five pounds and trying to this
way out about two forty Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
And I had another follow up question, is that already
if I jump in down, I know what I asked.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
You is, but I'm unclear and I'm apparently having a
hard time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Remember, Okay, you said there was a gentleman from the
loaded Brett Phillips PhD.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Yeah, Brett Phillips PhD from loaded pounds play here high
functioning offerers ADHD, Major depressive disorder.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
And I was tested. I think.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
It's pill A each other facility. The doctor's name was Kathleen.
It's off of Grand Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
They tested me for ouptism for a formal diss and
by passwords, which is high functioning officer yep. And they
also said I would excise us something that isn't mean
it's remembering. They just said you have your skis of something,
whether it be schizophrenia, schize, effective scizo type or schizoly disorder.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
They said, I was I had something that was schizo.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
And who said that the athlete is really not the
Kathleen one of them, It was some other staff member.
No one might help us. Would you go on to
sign up form so we can talk to him? It
was yeah, yeah, it was normal. It wasn't home well
that they said I was skizo. It was just you, well,
I may have some kind of talking to you. And

(01:05:05):
yet and people they said, they said, some have symptoms
of a schizo disorder. Okay, which whichever one that was
they had they didn't passified, which one sounds like? Okay,
so well she's getting that form. Let me ask you this.
So where I was getting was so you leave your house,
I'm sending at my theory here and you're already in

(01:05:27):
the jumps up here. So between nine thirty and when
you found the guy, did you stop anywhere gas? And
if I go station a quarter? Okay? So where did
you get gassed? It was a show right find here,
the show right here, right right here here, basically grant

(01:05:52):
whatever they're sitting.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Yeah, it was there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Do you remember how much cash you got? I paid
for something? This one finacy credit card it was forty
five bucks, okay, sold up all but credit card?

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Do you ever know when to last school in the
credit card or something?

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Speaking by us? Thirty a half TI to grade three
six and one time you think, yeah, he did tell
us that I had anything.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
And now I know you told him weren't in a round?

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Do you remember because you told me m en fteen
it was there was some time between nine and ten
and I got it like ten fifteen and thirty?

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Was it before you told me that before? Okay? I was?
I filled up's like you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
Probably so whatever you want to call him?

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Okay, I think you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Need haven't you probably need?

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
The one did mister Phillip?

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
How long ago with that?

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
That was years ago?

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Two three years? Two or three years ago? Okay? And
one one that that you were tested recently? Her aunt
to them wasn't recently. It was also years ago, I
want to say two years ago okay, And I'm confused

(01:07:21):
you said something or yeah. The doctors they did not
specify they could I had sent them of a skipzo
disorder of whether that be schizophrenia, schizoly disorder.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Strandotypal anything with schizo.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
They just said that. I've never formally.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Diagnosed anything like that. Do you feel like you had that?

Speaker 10 (01:07:42):
I don't know, possible tell so diagnosing it's foolish, Yeah,
but do you You know, schizophrenian is pretty extremely because
people I don't have recognize they have a different.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Personality in that I don't have. I don't have any hallucinations.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Okay, I have. I had have delusions, I guess. Okay,
like years ago, I thought that was obsessed with people
staring at me. Okay, I go people watching me from
every window. The birds were looking at me, watching me.
You can't agree your purpose that was a delusion. I
suppose kind of gray, but you don't have times where

(01:08:25):
you feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Another personality is in your body.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
No, I remember all this. No, that's that's the sociate
identity sort of gray. Schizophrenia is, well, you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
You have multiple people talking to you at the same time,
kind of a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
No, no one was talking to me, Okay, I mean
I'd spoken to somebody would diagnose schizophregnans. You know, we
had a conversation about it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
So it was when it was schizomly. But yeah, they
just thought you might but they did not think much.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Okay, sungolities Google, so make the names play uh d here.

Speaker 7 (01:09:07):
What is his?

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Almost like a top to the doctors will get your
records to see what they said. Yeah, so if you
want to read that, you agree to let me do
guys in spy that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
And since I don't really know the name of your doctors.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
If you just want to do a couple of the
stupular doctors, but then they don't know their name of
sis too long ago, you'd have to ask, oh, if
you just told her what the is Kathleen something that? No,
I can't remember the name. I could show you the
address on the map. Do you remember the name of
the place? I could show you it on the map? Okay,

(01:09:47):
find the map again. This is a nice TI make
sure you read it because I want you to decide
to put in you know, it's alignment that help him.
I don't know the prosecution right. That's long you to

(01:10:10):
get your medical records or cyclog a. So did you
read it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
I did?

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Okay, so that I shouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
I had.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
As much first get to the day. Yeah, should I assignment?
I'm just put over on the side self. That's for

(01:10:42):
a like I make you're a child and your mom.
So it was one of my mind springs. Mind springs
I was sent at an option. I was briefly there
maybe for okay. For the people was hours you're oh

(01:11:02):
like Asperger Square, who's that? They can I don't know
their name? I can show you on and then the
schizo they were the same people that, Okay, a type
of stuff or just to get an tell me his
wont si names, something like that about of course it

(01:11:29):
come like that. Okay, where would I may? I yep,
tell you a lot about they like him?

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Okay, I wanna sit here. It was one of those
you buildings with that film, and it was growing up
three two seven this one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Yeah, no, I mean what do you do? Oh what? Oh?
Cause you would do if you what do?

Speaker 7 (01:12:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Yeah? Should be there? So give them your.

Speaker 7 (01:12:38):
You?

Speaker 6 (01:12:38):
What have you been thinking about it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
All the other things people believe about you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Wanted the US to do only if you probably fame.
For a while I was learning for you anything good
about it those years you got in school. I was
willing to do anything, whether it be good or bad.
It was in the game notoriety of fame.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Joys.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Okay do you think mm? I hope? So I have
a question for you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Do you know Patty Hofmon? Yes, I do.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Person she was my therapist recently a year ago, okay,
therapist where at nobody?

Speaker 6 (01:13:23):
No, mhm, who's yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
And that person was a therapist, counselor of therapist who
came to the Western Dakora loves you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Who's that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Oh that's like a huge co clique.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Yeah, it was a health services place. Okay. I wasn't
there for physical reasons. So yeah, the whole time of
health compl it was in this building. What about Amy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Amy, she was my add She was a job at
to get sea that helped me. I was an option
prompting to get a job. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
And then who's doctor Cayden?

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
K c A I d Ean a.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Neurotypologist, female or man. I don't know. I'm sorry. Caden
Cayden is the last name.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
I can tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
That sounds familiar.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
I'm not sure. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
So Patty Hoffman may have information because she was your
therapist Gray, Okay, And I don't know where doctor Cayden works,
but we're going to need to release for that. Just
put her awesome, Yeah, Patty, I think it is a warrior.

(01:15:18):
I think it's like three twenty one or something like that.
So the doctor Cayden the A.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
I E E N.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Okay, so this is the same form.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
So so.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Yeah, something else looks up. No, those are the names
that I came across. I do haven't a question, and
I believe I understand you, but I just double check you,
Brian fair with me, with anyone with you when you

(01:16:02):
did that beside yourself?

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
No, okay, did you have her in your lifetime?

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Have any kind of serious head injury like you know,
concussion or power accident or anything like that. Okay, any
other major physical ailment, either in the past or currently.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
They give a break your leg, things like that. Right, well, okay,
that's very healthy. May I remain that's healthy?

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Okay, all right now I think.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Up good, Okay, I'm looking at give a couple more things.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
When you think about anything else? When I have no ideas,
can I get known figures boil or wash? Can I
get you don't have to or his So I out.
Do I have favorites, by the way, I besizing if
you will, so, if you will put those in your

(01:17:05):
mouth and swaller around, rub your cheeks, you know, hold
them together. I ain't both of themself. I'm a good
amount asking in my in the scale so I can

(01:17:26):
think of, Oh yeah, I would go get your scale.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
I think I don't know, how do you have that
I need to put? I'm very curious, how do you feel.

Speaker 6 (01:17:35):
About all this now? I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
The next fifteen years of my life?

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Book said in st prison, if I go back to
the night, probably would have done knowing, not knowing what's
what felt like, knowing how this will turn out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
I would have well, what did you think it was
gonna feel like?

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
What did you you know?

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
You said you were curious.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
What did you think it was gonna feel like?

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
I thought it would be the best feeling in the world. Okay,
And just so you said you didn't feel much about the.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Excitement.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Oh that's right, Okay, but okay, interesting, okay, okay, I'm
just curious.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
You're right back.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
You had you parked your car and got out, or
you saw him from your car and then got out,
perfet my car and I saw him from my car,
parked my car, got out, got down road and saw
shape here. Parked my car, got out, saw him here. Okay,

(01:18:55):
got my stuff in the knives and the clothes. He
see you though.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
He was not woken up until I pulled the sheets back,
did he? So I went to looking to the fast he.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Pulled sheets back, and before you stab him, by's heel. No,
And I pulled the sheets back.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
I get on it like I need, and then stab
him and he wakes up me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
So how are you doing? Why? Yeah? And I think
you stabbed him anywhere besides, but I know you said
the neck a lot of times.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
How many times do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
I was going until he stopped.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
Okay, hol just the best idea? How many times.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Thirty or forty?

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
Okay? And said the neck besides cutting his arms? Well,
actually it was a general assault. I was mainly targeting
his neck because I would kill as fondable area. I
was stabbing his head anywhere in that general area. I
stabbed him head multiple time on his chest, was stilling

(01:19:58):
his chest. I stepped once through the ribs, which hand
ready using the right hand. It was its right right side.
I placed up in his belly, carved up his leg,
not like I just made several slights at his leg.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
Why did you do that?

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
I was just doing everything I thought of at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
So let's talk about before he were sure he was dead?

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Well, did you stab him before he was there? Now?
Where about the head and neck? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
When did you stab him in the church after he perished?

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Okay? How did you know perish?

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
He led out a final gasp?

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Okay, and he he was he wasn't fighting later on,
he was using too much energy led loss and he
just finally gasped. And I needed to make sure a
piece of mind. So I decapitated him partially as for
the hell, so let's try to stop my stuff, and said,
and start him and the back in my head while

(01:20:55):
I was alive, Yes, I paused. We had a conversation
where he said right, and I said, I felt like
in his fill of time, I continued, he had died, deceased,
h hot, And then I think and then I stabbed
his rigs, opened up his belly, sliced his leg multiple times. Okay,

(01:21:20):
he rode him and then decapitated him, removed his hands,
his joints. Did you do him before after the open battle?
After I open his belty was closed? But no, I
listed up his shirt and which way did you know
are here this way or like this way? This way?

(01:21:40):
Across his Okay, he was He didn't see his hard
or anything. No, he was very thin.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Okay, I thought about taking up what well do you
think he saw?

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
What do I think?

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
What do I internally?

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
What did you say?

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
I saw his liver. It's large and small intestine and
that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Some of it was young. I was thinking about taking
out his heart. I was thinking about crushing the lives
and just in boweling him entirely. Okay. Did you just
somebo him at all or just cut him home? But
I had him open, but his organs spilled out by
themselves when I was dumping him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Oh yeah, anything else?

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Did you take anything beside? Like anything internally? No? Okay?
And how did you know it was his liver?

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
I mean, do you ever go hunting? Or how do
you know what somebody's liver when you open them up?

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
It's dark, purple brownish, it's large up here.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
I just knew it was I'd taken anatomy of physiology, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
So I knew it was his. I was just curious,
as you've never seen one before, you're just guessing her.
I've seen something so wis meaning oh yeah before it's
for your hands?

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Yeahs old one.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
How you.

Speaker 5 (01:23:07):
So I know you talked about your phone or at
least somewhere you've google searched something. We'd like to look
at your phone. And do you have a computer at home?

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
I do? Is it yours? It's family owned, but I'm
the one who uses it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
Okay, did the death stop or a lot of time
the death stop? Okay, we'll kind Is it your mom's
to death?

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
You don't know where it is? No, I don't know
who loves it?

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Is that my mom'smo?

Speaker 6 (01:23:37):
You asked?

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
That's okay?

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
And you use it?

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Have have you looked up some of this stuff we've
talked about. I think you talked about who people up
tap up or on the internet to use the computer?

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Yes? Or than a phone both? So there's another phone
you need to get since you do have cuts on
your hands, and you said out started picking up the night.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Round and it wasn't before after you know the game before.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
You.

Speaker 7 (01:24:08):
I just want to take you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Listening to all the hands all I did help see
your right hand in your sound your say hand you
used the right hand and I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Want that work and also held him down partially out
and butt love that sun see that cat probably was that,
and you said you cut some other thingsreas will to see.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Well this one and this one that was a one one.
I let Mary do this again because I'm not sure
if that's those that's the loveless.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
So I'm sorry for I put you go help hello?
The you' sure?

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
What's the good finger? That's yeah, I'm not sure. Okay,
do you think you could have been I ers or
something somehow? I'll leave you no champions? Oh hold up,
hold that finger out like I'm in the picture, so
they know which hand them taking a picture of Hello.

Speaker 7 (01:25:36):
Oh, they're right there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
If there's somebody outside, they're gonna help you with those ones.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
If you could address them quickly, that would be great.
Dress them, yes, with your phones? All these ones?

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Yeah, okay, Brian, may I continue to talk? We said, okay, sure,
how do you really know? Okay? Okay, I'm usually okay, Okay,

(01:26:27):
what do.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
We need to know about you that we haven't asked?
I'd love to think we think of everything that we
don't reality, do you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Need to know?

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
What do we need to know about you that we
haven't asked?

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
I was planning to become I was planning to go
into the military, okay, planning to go into forensics or
nursing and uh eventually become a go to law enforcement?
Oh really okay?

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Yeah? How come go? How come go to forensic and
into law enforcement?

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
Forensics helps the law enforcement degree the military service also
how it doesn't help what were you gonna do in
the military. Probably go into air force to do what
you don't know you just like the Air Force so
easiest French physically. I heard the reputation that all the

(01:27:22):
smartest people going her new client, I'm smart.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
It's just well, I'm gonna gett you were a pretty smart.
Have you ever had an IQ test?

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
I'm not a tough when when they were testing me
and they said I was excuse of something that whole affair, right,
they gave me a weird IQ test it then tested
me at the score tested aspects.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
I got really really high on one, didn't you Yeah? Okay, yeah, okay,
just new again. I asked him, if what it is
about him, we need to know that you haven't appened.
Then I got five dragged on IQ test.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
So with the A number, it just kind of yeah,
I don't even know what they were testing for, one
of which ones that I got high on. It was
your tests.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
They didn't even give me a score.

Speaker 6 (01:28:10):
How weird?

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Okay, I want to respond, did you yeah, did you
like any of those anything like therapists or people? Did
you find any of them? Did you like him?

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
It was interesting Brett Phillips.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
It was a little too sorry to get put him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
He was a little bit too lest ween.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
Okay, that's all right, that's the right, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
And what about the others?

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
They were fine? Okay? What year did you transfer? What
school year did you transfer.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
From further to our fine?

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Over three nineteen so not your senior year, junior year?

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Yeah, a lot, it was great, okay, Okay, So I
don't know because I don't tell you guys already talked
about the casts.

Speaker 6 (01:28:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Did you guys talk about everywhere you went that night
before and after you found him? But before? How long
did you drive around the world?

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Too many places? I went down to.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
The area around the airport with all the hotels, Okay,
I went, I went.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Did you go buy a coat anywhere?

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Or driving? Or I just driving?

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Okay, waiting for hotel sign?

Speaker 6 (01:29:22):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
So the hotel area, uh, main Street.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
A couple of times okay, the area around Main Street,
Whitman Park, around that area. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Did you get out of the car anywhere else besides
the gas and the guy?

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
Nowhere else? Did you have your phone with you that night?
First part? I did, because for the first part I did,
including murder, I had my phone on me. I was
using it to find places, like I didn't know it where,
so I would use it to go exactly find where

(01:30:05):
that hotel area was because I don't know where it is. Okay,
well what did you How did you find them? How
did I find what?

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
How did you use your phone to find the area?

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
GPS? You dislike type something in Yeah, I looked at
a location.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
So what kind of locations were you living? Areas sort
of not residential where people where how less people would
be sleeping all day? Makes sense?

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Is that how you found that area where.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
You house him? Yeah, it was secluded and it was
one of the train tracks. I know how most people
liked to be there. Did you take any pictures that night? Yes,
but I deleted them, okay entirely.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Where did you take.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
After I killed him? My tempered picture of him his hands?
But I deleted all those because those are happidens. Okay,
I don't know if you could find them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
But when you say the lead them entirely, that's an
interesting statement. What do you mean by I removed them
from my phone?

Speaker 6 (01:31:04):
Please?

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
The pictures?

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Okay? Do you have like a web thing? Your pictures
go too, but boons or something novatives don't if they're deleted.
Were they there?

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
They were?

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
Yes, on a web thing on No, on my phone? Okay,
I understand that I just sat like lying. I can
delete them on my phone, but they still end up
going somewhere else. Now anything else you can think that
we should look for. Did you tell anybody about what
you did before today? No?

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
I haven't told anyone that I committed murdered. Okay, nobody
like a web thing or something nowhere?

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Did? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
Did you tell your parents you said they kind of
comprinted you when you saw that. Did you give them
detailed about all of that the murder?

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
I didn't tell them either, Oh, because they comprinted you, right,
so they.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Only controlled me when the police arrived. They acted like
nothing was wrong. Oh really yeah, until the police arrived.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
Okay, Well, since the head was no longer in your
clubt it was in the kitchen.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Think I would use the gig was up right?

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
Oh yeah, yeah? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Who else do you want? This is probably one chance
to get to talk to you. I don't know, yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
What else do you want to know? Anything? You want
to talk about what happened or what do you remember?
Do you think anybody saw you? I mean maybe a
few people saw me standing behind there, but after the
writer was committed, whenever someone would drive by, I would

(01:32:58):
hide behind here.

Speaker 7 (01:33:00):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
It would have driven by a wall you were Oh yeah,
a few people, but I wouldn't be able to identify
their car. And they been able to see what you
were doing. No, I think it would have been too
smarly if they could. They couldn't see the body. They
could only see maybe my old lay. Okay at best.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
And just to confirm, you said you took the hand,
you took the head, You got both arms off and
threw them. Did the lake, did ash the legs safe?

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Pash? Okay? All right? And that went with the body
down the river?

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
Okay? And the wall, Joe, any other personal image took
Homeme or somewhere else?

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
No, no kofee.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
Bangs that the wall was.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
Yeah, I was playing to maybe keep a finger. Okay, yeah,
got that hard? Okay, lan finger that's small, not that
much space. I don't want to sell that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
Much to keep. Yeah, well, let us stop out and
figure out what we're going back. Okay, okay, where will
it be staying? You're gonna be staying here for a while,
but we go with the girl.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Yeah, you'll be here, but hold on just.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
A minute, still in here?

Speaker 9 (01:34:39):
Yeah you too.

Speaker 7 (01:34:41):
Oh you won't have that?

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
Oh do angry to re draw?

Speaker 5 (01:34:47):
Well, I was gonna a picture of it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
That Sorry, that's okay, that's right, you're right.

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
You're right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
So here's what here's what I think is gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
In in Pete double checking. But so you're gonna go here.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
You're you're going to go to our jail here and
then we will go further.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
We have to we have to do funch of paper,
bunch of paper work has.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
To be done. But you have you have to go
to jail.

Speaker 4 (01:35:10):
Now you can understand that from organization.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
Okay, all right, So that's what we're gonna do unless
you have.

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
Something else at all.

Speaker 6 (01:35:17):
Were any of the clothes you're wearing now?

Speaker 4 (01:35:19):
Were you wearing that day. Okay, anything your phone's on,
anything like that, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Wish I had myself.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Why do you wish your phone come to do?

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Ye? Fair?

Speaker 7 (01:35:34):
Fair?

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
Do you have your parents, homemer and stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
You've called from the jail. You know that I do. Okay, Okay,
we'll well, we.

Speaker 7 (01:35:47):
Can do it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
I don't care then spatroom the last time okay, Okay, yeah,
I won't and I'll be jam. Now you've listened. Now
go do your thing.

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