October 5, 2025 • 66 mins
The Exact Moment His Story Collapses
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to your top true crime hob for the variety
in episodes you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Enjoy too many phones. I'll be able to get rid
of someone. Now just wait, I'm a partner. Come in.
Let's say all the odds. You've been very polite. Good
it should be you just got coke? Zero coke zero? Okay?
(00:26):
Or thank you? I thought we had a regular coke.
But that's okay, the last time I get probably for
a long time.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
All right, So it's Warren, right, yes, sir, okay, more,
my name is Brian. Yeah, thanks Brian. This is Paul
where detectives who work here for the police department to
talk to you. I gotta go to this rights advisement.
You have to have to make sure you know you're right,
and so I'll read directly in the paper these questions.
(01:02):
They might seem kind of stupid when I ask you this,
But are you under the influence of any prescription drugs
right now?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yes? They would given me stuff at the hospital, you
know what, These of other things. The nurse said she
thought that I had tried to kill myself. Okay, any alcohol,
not since I been in. But the last things I
remember are two things I remember being downtown Saint Petersburg
(01:32):
at the Cigar bar and getting a cigar.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
And hang on, hang on, get through those apologize any
illegal drugs.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
That doesn't mean that I haven't been given illegal drugs
when my girlfriend Stacy Salie has a prescription non prescription
narcotics which she would give to me sometimes. Yeah, but
I mean, are you're under the influence. No, it's been
like three days. Oh yeah, Okay, okay. What's the last
(02:01):
grade that you completed? Twelve?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Can you read yes, sir? I know there's dumb questions.
Can you write yes, sir? And speak Turkish too? Can
you hear yes, sir? Yeah, that's the other question I'm
going to blows all minds sometimes.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Do you understand that you have the right to remain silent? Yes?
Having these rights in mind, do you wish to talk
to us now? Sure? Yes sir. Yeah, I asked me
either yes or no. Yes, sir, I don't have any
spreads shaking. Okay, that's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, from the medications they here would have done. Yeah,
what do you mean you don't know what you've done?
Obviously I've done something that they've been arrested. Well, there
was the thing what two weeks ago back on the
ninth or something where Sophie and your roommate there there
(02:57):
was something you arrested back then, right, yes, and he
would given court order not to go back to the house. Correct, Yeah,
well you went back, so you have they put out
probable calls to arrest you for that, for violation of
the court order or pre trial release.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think that's what it's called. So there's that. What
I want to talk to you is about what happened
with Sophie. So not in that incident. I didn't cut
Sophie that night. She told you guys that I didn't
do that to her. Bipolar schizophrenia, okay, And she can't
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drink that she insists on drinking and gets very violent.
She's done lots of crazy things and with lots of people. Yeah,
not sex things, just just using people and just horrible
people have demons. It's not a big I threw my
life away because is Sophie how to throw your life away?
(03:56):
Because everyone in my company, most of my neighbors, everyone said,
she's going to destroy you. She's she's she's evil, that's
all she does.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Okay, that what's happened has destroyed your life being with her.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
She gets you, so she can manipulate people so well, controlling,
being super wonderful and super sweet and just completely flip
out the other way and come at your eyes with
claws and good. That's not good, it's horrible. Shot a
fucking run away again.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I said, Okayank to us, do you you understand you're
under a Baker Act?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
From the hospital right? Do you want? A Baker Act
means I'm insane. No, it doesn't mean you're insane at all.
It means that I think I've lost my mind.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
That's what you're asking me. No, no, no, I'm not
asking that at all. I'm asking you I can understand
what a Baker Act is. I'm a threat to myself
or to others.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Their story.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And that doesn't mean that you're insane or it doesn't
mean that you've lost your mind. Like you said that,
that just means that you were having social ideations and
that you were a threat to yourself or to others.
People can be recidal. Some people are settled intermittently throughout
their whole life. That doesn't make them insane, just means
are depressed, far cry from being insane. As a matter
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of fact, I asked for help from my sister and
she just walked away because of Sophie.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I asked for help from my friends that I've known
for years to help me. They all said no because
of Sophie. Yeah, I basically got walled off from people
that I cared for, even with my daughter.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Earlier this week, you were asking people for help. Yeah,
well when did you? When did you start asking for
help this couple.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Days ago and just talking to friends and saying, I
don't know what I'm gonna do. I can't, I can't
do this anymore. What friends we men? Which ones did
you ask? Is what I'm asking? John Ellis, John Ball
back my talk to my cousin. I talked to a
bunch of friends, my pastor, Craig Nelson, who lives two
doors down. He's the one initially called you guys two doors.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Down live like seventy four hundred or little seventy three hundreds,
one more down, about three dollars down, three doors down,
three doors down, seventy four hundred is a bad situation
in that place.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, tell me about that.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Kim supplies prescription drugs to a bunch of people because
she has multiple doctors prescriptions.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Okay, she gives drugs to her boyfriend. She gave drugs
to Sophie, those Xanax things whatever they are, sure and
drink and Sophia, who could berserk? I had the cops
and you look at the record come to my house
for many times you have removed from my home and
(06:52):
then wanted me to press charge against her. I wouldn't
do it because I love Dors. She can't be here.
She's just going me crazy. I'll come home before from
work and every all the furnitures wearin, shit's broken. I
have a lot of stress because I'm taking care of
my wife. She's had a nursing home. She had a
massive stroke. I'm sorry, it's not your fault. I appreciate
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the condoling the only child to help out, and she
didn't want to. She just I can't deal with it.
And she dropped out of school and just it was
alone and no one to help me. And I don't
like to go doing the dating thing. And I met
Sophie at a fundraiser and came. They all came.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
A couple people came to my house and I fell
in love with her.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
But she's evil. How long's that been almost a year.
I've literally packed her up three different times with all
her stuff and put her out of the house, and
all three times she's found.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
A way to come back. Finally just gave up. You
think she contributed to your reaching out for help from people? No,
I mean this week specifically, what happened.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
What does she do? She'll go from being really wonderful
to say the most horrible things ever. You're not a man.
You're a failure. I don't love you. I think of
other people when I'm having sex with you. I'm gonna
put you away in jail. Even though you know that
you didn't cut me. I'm going to tell him that
you did. I'm i get you put in jail for
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pretty twenty years. You need to go to prison. You're
a fool. All kinds of crazy shit. What did she
tell you? How a bunch of different times she said
she like that in front of Kim. Her best friend
said crazy shit. We watched Kim and Bill go out
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and actually freaking clawn and fight with each other. Bill's
been arrested several times for assault against this. It was
not married seven years. I guess they should be, but
they're bad to be around. And every time there there's
always violence is violence. Kim cuts herself in her arms.
She's got dozens of cuts. That's why she wears long
(09:08):
sleeved shirts. And then Sophie started doing that. When it
broke up to their februards, took a knife. She got
to throw it right here in the knife superficially. I
let her come back. When's the last time you saw Sophie?
Earlier this week? You remember what day was? I don't
even know what my name is sometimes right now, I'm serious,
(09:29):
I'm not playing games with you. You know you know
what day it is right now because it keep telling
me it's Saturday, what years to twenty nineteen? And who's
the president? Donald Trump? But I didn't know that three
days ago. You know what today?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Though?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, because they keep telling me. Anyway, anytime they come
in and come see me, they asked me the same questions.
And I could even walk when I came in. That
didn't literally carry me. I literally couldn't sleep. Happened? I
don't know. I don't know. Well, I mean it was
your leg did your leg stop working? Or I mean,
what was he said? You couldn't walk in? I took
some sleeping pills. Okay, okay, but I didn't take a
(10:10):
shitload of sleeping pills. I don't take anything. I don't
even hardly ever take aspirin. I've got a drug I
used for a low thyroid.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I take it every day, and I take Men's multi
vitamins and vitamin E and some other stuffs in my
fridge to stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I try to watch what you eat, you know. I
try to do aerobic exercises and try to stay healthy.
But I got stuck in a spiral of just happy, miserable,
happy miserable, happy miserable. When need to take the sleeping
pills A couple of different nights because I wasn't able
(10:47):
to sleep, She'll get on one of her little benches
and she'll stay up all night. And you know, we
sleep in the same bedroom, the same bed, and she's up,
you know, playing it, playing the stereo and dancing around
and trying to sleep. And if you don't what are
you doing? You don't fucking love me, blah blah blah,
you don't love me.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well, I mean, you said you took some sleeping pills
and then it affected just so, when's the last time
you remember taking those sleeping pills might have been more
than the sleeping pills you get. Sophieused to give me
stuff too.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Okay, when's the last time you remember taking the sleeping pills?
And maybe whatever I want to say, three days ago?
So you you don't remember anything for the past three
or the last besides when you guys hoped me up,
I would make you two gentlemen. Yet at that point
I woke up at the hospital. Okay, Okay, I didn't
know where it was, Okay, know what was going on.
(11:38):
I couldn't. I couldn't stand, Okay to go to the bathroom.
They put a cather on my penis so I could urinate.
I remember going downtown to Saint Pete and getting a
cigar and sitting outside and having a glass of jamison
(12:01):
jentrail And where'd you go to help to get the cigar?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Oh, warel, let's go. It's a place called Social Cigar. Okay,
downtown And when when do you remember going there? Three
days ago? So that would have been Wednesday. I also
remember my daughter coming over to my house. Let's say
dreamed it and take him to the hospital. She did,
said there's something wrong with you, daddy.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
What's the matter. Yeah, she had, she had, she had
to carry me to the car. Yeah, I don't remember
anything else because waking up with the one of the
officers from my house two or three times before he
knows the situation with Sophie. He's arrested Sophie. He's arrested me.
See when's the last time you remember seeing Sophie?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Then the last time we moved At Kim and Bill's
and another huge argument.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
They're having a good time. The girls are singing.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
What they like to do is they use the falling
on a bluetooth. They play songs and Kim always plays
these I got this kind of music like part of
the language.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Fuck you Bill kind of music a lot, she does
have a lot. And then Sophie, they were both there.
They don't know that genre. What is the fucking bill music? No, no, no, no,
sorry sorry, it's music this mad by independent woman women
that tell them I don't need you. I missed the
sheets that I used to mind, the sheets that I
used to.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Wash, and all was other you know, uh kind of
man hating I hate yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of it,
A lot of abuse. That's that's pretty prevalent society, you know,
independent women and don't like yeah it.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
That's not what you should play. If people we try
to work things out.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I'm not I with Sophie as a wife, but she
shairs what's going to be the most ironic things I've
met her whole family.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Sophie had a wonderful husband. They got shoes out of college.
She was twenty two, he's thirty two, is ten years older.
They met. She was working two jobs, one at the
crime lab for Hillsborough County and doing something at the hospital.
She's a college graduate. They had two wonderful boys. They
(14:03):
built a house in town and country. They sold that.
They did another house.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And sold that, and at about nine years of marriage,
she decided I want to get married Ay Moore and
walked away.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And I met the husband. He's fantastic and the boys
are both outstanding young man. I could never get her
to go see her boys. She was in jail for
fifty four days. She came up to her next child date.
I got an attorney at three thousand dollars attorney that
got her released. She was felt guilty of battery. I
(14:34):
went to the court and read in front of Chess Grissinger.
The first time she went up. It was too early playing.
She has a family to wants to supporter and friends
that were behind you. She just needs to stay away
from the alcohol and she could be a normal person.
And Jesse Chrissinger said, no, you need to get some programs.
He's anti violence programs, and you know, do this. So
(14:55):
she did another fifty four days.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
When court day was coming up, I hired a good
atour and you got her released with no restrictions or anything.
I met her father at the jail to pick her up.
We talked for about an hour and brought her home.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Let's go back to the part about her like being
a wife. Was she does she work in the relationship
with you? Or I mean she does she? You know?
I think sometimes a man is usually the one that's
kind of the head of the household.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And she was working a job working at Tuesday morning,
uh huh.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And she was arrested for battery or something. I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
So many times you've both been arrested about bullshit with her,
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
And then she was put out on bond, and then
when she went to court, she's arrested again for another charge.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
So so you don't have any control over her most
of the time, no control over at all. Yeah, she
didn't listen to you. Is she didn't take your lead
on anything.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You try to make suggestions that you can make your
life better. Do this.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
You need to stay away from the alcohol and the
people that cause you to not do the right thing right.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
No, mhmm. Do you know what she did? I do?
Where she she's.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
In the medical examiner's office, not a cool samar's office.
Why she's deceased, Why.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Well, I don't know that. So I was kind of
hoping you tell me what did I do? Tell me,
I don't know, tell me what I did. I don't
know what you did? What happened? Do you know? That's
why we're here.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Talking to you, because you know, things happen, and people
have all different reasons for things happening.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I'd just like to know what happened with you, And
so it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I don't got you love her, but it sounds like
you two had a really volatile relationship. Sounds like you're
trying to help her, sounds like she didn't take you
to lead.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I mean, there's a whole gambet of things. Do you
know what happened to your hands here, don't.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, is that knuckle broken? Or can you move that
those two fingers? Yeah? Yeah, so she's she's deceased. Why
would you ask me what you did?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Obviously it must have been with her. Who else had
heard her? I don't know. Did you tell me she
didn't have any namies? Okay?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Would you have hurt her because she was hurting you?
You don't seem like a kind of guy who hurts
somebody to not to me anyway?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Who know what I can have anymore? I'm not a
human anymore. I don't know who I am anymore.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Yeah, I don't remember anything, and I don't think it
could kill her. Yeah, I lost my family over her,
my distance over her, might say to you over her.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
That's gonna point out you're you're you know you're not.
There are no tears coming from your eyes? What you're
not crying tears? No, there's no tears in me. I'm
just sitting there looking at you. There's no tears in
your eyes.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
There's not.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I mean, I'm just I'm just pointing out the fact here,
and I'm just trying to ask you. You know, you
look like you're sad. You look like you're crying, but
there's not a single tear coming under your eye. Okay,
there's still no tear on your finger there. You're telling
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me you didn't low her. No, I'm not telling you
that at all. I think you did low her. But
like you said when you came in here, she's evil.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I think.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
She unleashed some evil on you, and you unleash some
evil back, and evil and evil and that doesn't equal good, right.
And I can completely sympathize with you if you're doing
something like self defense or something like that, but it
doesn't look like self defense to mean, because your neck there,
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you've got fingernails, scratches all down the front of your
neck and onto your chest, and the backs of your
hands are torn up like you were in a pretty
good fistfight. It's been many years since I've fought where
I laid out my knuckles like that. And I'm a cop.
You know, you kind of would expect I fight for
a living sometimes. But I'm just looking at this here,
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and I'm just wondering if you're people tell police officers
they don't like to us so much as they just
don't tell us the truth, the whole truth. And I'm
just wondering if you're just not telling me the whole
truth because you think the truth will make you look worse,
when in fact, the whole truth may actually make you
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look a lot more innocent. You know what I'm saying.
We have people sitting in here in this room all
the time that have killed or maimed or injured other people.
Sometimes they're justified, no justification for killing you and being
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that's that's not true under the lie, under the eyes
of the law. There is justified homicide. That's that's not true.
Sometimes there's justification.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
One of them is.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Self defense in defense of another person. There's there's a
couple of different reasons that it's justified to to kill
another person. There's no justification what they're saying. Okay, now
you're saying a murderer. No, you you kind of told
me that you did. You kind of said what did
I do? And I'm just telling you what. I'm sitting
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here across the table.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Looking at you told me that she's dead. Yes, she's
in the corner's office. Yes, And you said what did
I do? I didn't say what did you do? You
said what did I do? What did I do?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
The only person who knows what you did is you.
That's why we're sitting here. I would like to know
what you did, but I don't know, and I won't
ever know unless you tell me. She killed me, she
killed you, she killed me? How did she kill you?
Speaker 7 (22:42):
Emotionally, physically, mentally, well, physically, she didn't kill you because
you're sitting here talking mentally and emotionally.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Okay, we've all had bad relationships. But she didn't.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Physically kill you, because you're sitting here in the chair
clocking tow me.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Did she try to physically kill you? She's chased me
with a knife before. No, I mean this week. I
mean this week. What happened this week? And I'm trying
to think, Oh, you take your time, huh. I'm not
rushing you. I'm just put on the obvious questions out there.
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She's been angry before and chopped up furniture in the
house with a knife. Okay, she sliced the front doorframe.
She took a chalk out of the table in the kitchen.
She chopped up the Ethan Allen dresser in the guest room.
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She's taken a knife to the tiresty cadillact before well,
I was gonna go pick up my work the next day.
I'm flattening two of the tires to the point where
I actually had to move the Cadillac somewhere else where
she couldn't find it. That's all in the past.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, she's threatened me, she's blackmailed me.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
She's told me that she was gonna tell the police
and I cut her arms. She told me that she
was going to sleep with Mike Bell just to piss
me off. When did she tell you that this week?
Mike's going through a very bad divorce, trying to save
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his family. He lost his home. I'm known him for
eighteen years. He slept on the couch hm for about
a week. We went to North Carolina, he stayed, took
her of the hands. Yeah, seems like a really nice guy, Mike.
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It's an alcoholic. I'll get it for the morning. I
instead of a drink, if I had to drive him up,
get him whiskey to drink to go to work in
the morning. Okay, I've no nice alcoholics. You know we
will find Sophie.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
When did she tell you she was going to sleep
with Mike this week? Where at Where's she going to
sleep with her. Where did she tell you that at
our home?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Do you remember what day? Now?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
What time of the day wasn't when she told you that.
I think it was in the morning. She was really nasty.
We've been up all night. We're dancing. She's up to
the bed. I'm trying to sleep. She's up all night,
sitting there, rocking back and forth. Two nights in a row,
no sleep.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Was Mike at the house at the time when she
told you that, No, he's been working on being able
to stay with his wife. Okay, he gives her money,
he gets a paycheck, and he pays. So Mike said
that he stayed with his family on Tuesday. He didn't
stay home with you guys. So you and her were
up all night dancing and partying the knights that he
was gone. We were next door the neighbor's house.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I was having well, Mike was with you guys one
night when you went to the neighbor's house. That was
on That was on Monday.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Okay, back over there Tuesday night, okay, and I had
a couple of beers and the girls chrack a pottle
of wine. Okay, and we're in the kitchen because they
go between in the kitchen and on the patio, and
the girls are singing and Kimmy knows the lyrics and
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watching Kimmy do the lyrics, and Sophie flipped out thinking
I was looking at Kimmy sexually. Kimmy's a big girl, Okay,
I was just watching her singing, Sophie, fat girls need
love to right. I mean she has a boyfriend at
their house. Verbal. Yeah, okay, we try to calm her down.
(27:01):
It was sound to go to bed because I'm pretty
sure that Kimmy had to go to work. Kimmy works
second chef for Southwest second Ship. I can't even off
that's south with hers. And then so you guys got home.
Did was she planned going shopping with Kimmy. They do
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that a lot. They do a plan of shopping and
I always make sure that she's kept me to buy
stuff by some clothing.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, so you guys went home and you were up
all night fighting.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
No, she calmed dancing, she calmed down. Well, I had
marijuana for her because she just marijuana to calm down, okay,
And she smokes in marijuana, and she had.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
I had what are they called white claw? Had a
white claw? Is that that five percent alcohol stuff for her. Yeah,
it's like beer, but it's not made with beer. It's
not brute kind of slip with you in the lines
on that one, okay. And I tried to go to sleep.
I was exhausted, and she's sitting in bed, her side
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of the beds. It's on the on the right side
to face in the bed, next to the lamp, and
she's playing dancing and dancing.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Please let me go sleep. If you turn around, you
don't love me. Lah lah, No, you had to turn around, okay,
And everything's good.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
All right.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Just here before was that she told you she was
going to sleep with Mike just to hurt you. And
he said, she told you that in the morning time.
I think so. And it was the morning after you came.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Back from there, Kivi and Bills and and Mike was
not staying in your house that night. There was two
nights Mike wasn't there yet, two nights stayed up yet
Which nights were those consecutive?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
No, I don't think so. I think he came home
one night his daughter's birthday. They picked him up.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Okay, So his daughter's birthday was Tuesday, and that's the
night he wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Then his daughter's birthday was tuesday. He said, okay, so.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Tuesday night, you guys went back over to Kevin Bills,
and he wasn't with you. I didn't want to be there.
This is Sophie wants to be there. Yeah, it sounds
like you were right. I don't like the place to be.
And so the Wednesday morning is obviously then when she
told her she was going to sleep with Mike, just
to hurry out.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
And call the police and say that I'm talking with her,
I'm not supposed to be there and get me ejected
for my home and and she was done with me.
And I'm a piece of shit and she never loved me,
just a piece of crap.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Another man, she used, what am I supposed to say?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
You're supposed to say whatever you want to say, But
I hope it's you're going to tell me what.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I'm supposed to say. I don't know what I did.
You don't know what you did. I lost my mind. Okay, Okay, Well,
I mean it's not justified. What's not justifying anything, anything
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at all is not justified. Losing your mind, being being
treated like shit. You try to do everything you can
provide the best for everyone that you do. Always. I've
always been wanting to hear everybody my whole life. My
wife and I always had a problem with friends. Really
help them out, that's wanting some money, help them get
a job. She would come me out of my church.
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She didn't want to go to Craig's church because I've
talked to Craig before about the problem. However, what does
she did that Wednesday morning?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
When I mean, I can't even imagine how spiteful she
was being when she said.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It was abusive.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It's not even good looking, but it's just another thing
that's okay, but it's just being addictive. Yeah, exactly, that's
what I'm saying. But I can't even imagine coming to
a point where I would say that to somebody, much
less I can't imagine anybody saying that to me. Piss
me off. I mean, that's that's the lowest of below
pushing your buttons. You know, you don't threaten something like that.
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Did you guys have a physical fight that morning? I
don't remember that. Okay, what about the following night?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Did you guys? Did you guys make up after that?
You've always made up. There's always that problem when she
never went to another bedroom.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
She stayed with me always, okay, But after Wednesday morning,
after she said I'm gonna sleep with Mike, were you
guys amicable anytime after that?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Did you? Guys? I don't go anywhere and do anything.
I don't remember the next thing I remember, he's been
on the Central Avenue of getting a cigar, okay, been drinking.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, Mike didn't stay at your house on Tuesday night,
his birthday, his daughter's birthday.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
He was there the next night and he saw you.
You didn't come here away. Where was Sophie? Nobody knows.
She wasn't with Mike, No or me. Who are you?
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She wasn't living anybody. Why would she be with Mike,
who lives together right now? He sleeps on the couch. Yeah,
but I mean shopping there alone with him when you're
not around. When I was in jail overnight, she was.
He didn't do anything but drink. I brought back some
Tennessee moonshine from our trip. Was going on moonshine and
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two big jugs. They drank it. I can't drink that
much moonshine. I don't know. Probably, yeah, think you her
or do you think she hit here? So she went
(33:17):
after your throat. You wanna see what your neck looks like? Here?
Leave forward here, leave forward a little bit more specially
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fuck up man, Shit, Sorry, I can't fix it. I
can't see it very well.
Speaker 9 (33:53):
Yeah, thinking else, guys, I didn't see what the rest
of your chest and stuff looks like.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
But that's that's some fingals crisis there. Yeah, what she did,
she got to your throat. Usually when she got mad
at me, she could go from my eyes. I don't
telling them. The police came to my house. I had
it like she missed herrizing goat the drug this time.
One time we're on the motorcycle. She flipped out and
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she grabbed my head with both hands and yankee it back.
We're going forty five miles an hour and sixteenth street. Jesus,
I have a big bike like Ultra Classic. Yeah. I
was able to stop the bike just in love. I
don't know what it was.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Fool You know, a person that I don't love can
piss me off, and I can take it really easy.
But a person that love that I love, if they
pissed me off, that's the worst kind of anger that
I've ever had, I'd say.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
You loved her my heart, soul, Yeah, everything, everything, And
Sophie was good about that. She'd helped. She was very supportive.
She was glad I did that. How did Dawn feel
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about Sophie? Though jealous at first, but then it was
thankful that I had someone in my life. I wasn't alone,
but she knew that Sophia was trying to help me,
to make sure that I continue to take care of her.
I can't explain it. I'm sorry. Were you and your
wife separated whenever she had her stroke? No, been married
twenty eight years.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, raised a kid together. Yeah, did trips all over
the world and did all kinds of stuff together. She
was my best friend, little motorcycles together, voting together. All
of our friends were our friends together. We did things
with other couples.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
We cooked, we cleaned, we shopped, did everything. So we
didn't like to go shopping, so we didn't like to cook,
so we didn't like to clean. She didn't like to
go shopping, but she was going shopping clothing.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
She's going shopping with Kim, Yeah, clothing, groceries, Uh, cookings,
She's seemed like doing the duties around the house.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Shopping.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Kay, Why are the nif Why are their knife stuck
in the ground all around the outside of your.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
House, cutting linbs and trees and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah,
go look at them. They're all dented from cutting off
doing like a machete, cop and stuff off. It's in
good tape. I take care of everything I own. It's nice, helmets,
clean and good shape.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Take care of things. Whet to biot a second time.
How do you know my chanocks in good shape?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
And I thought was it downtown? Was it at my house?
Is that your house covered up? Because I keep it
cover Yeah? I had a cover up. Understand what you said?
Do you think you heard her?
Speaker 1 (37:31):
No?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Well, I mean I gotta tell you, it's a lot
easier to understand her being injured all of the things
that you.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Told me about how she was. Okay, I'm not talking
shit about a person that you love. But it doesn't
sound like she was a nice person. Okay, I get that.
Sold you telling me, in a moment of rage, I
killed her. I'm asking you it's possible, then, why wouldn't
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I remember that?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Well?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I don't know, unless you're just creating a really good
alibi and feed me a line of shit. What alibi
is that that you can't remember? I mean, it's convenient,
It's very convenient.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I'm the proud suspect.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Oh I no, I think you did it. You're the
one telling me that. I wouldn't say you're yeah, I
think you did it. Just telling you this is just me.
I'd just like to hear it from you.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Would it make it easier for you if I tell
you whatever you want me to tell you.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
No, I don't want you to tell me what I
want you to tell you. I want you to tell
me the truth. I don't want you to tell me
anything that I want to hear. That's not the way
this works, because I don't at the end of the day,
I don't care. My job is to put the facts
on paper and then send it to my bosses and
let them do That's that's what my job is at
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the at the end of the day, when I'm done
with this.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
It makes the difference thing, I don't. It doesn't. It
doesn't matter what you tell me. Okay, facts speak for
the facts. They do they do? You have the wound
on my chest and I get her nails downe professionally
so she has long fingernails.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Okay, so my flesh should be under those fingernails, okay,
true or false?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
True?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
If she attacked you there, yeah, that's like when she's
bitten me before. Okay, or scratch me, am, I gonna
find her DNA or your fingernails under her fingernails. If
you said she scratched me, I said, if someone scratched
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you there, you told me you guys had a fight
on Wednesday morning after being up all night. That looks
those scratches there look like, you know, two or.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Three days old.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I mean, I've got a couple of things on my
arm here where I had the doctor burns some stuff off,
and they're a little.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Bit older, so they look a little more healed than those,
you know, and that's been about a week. I'm just stupid.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I really think that, you know, I think you could
help yourself out a whole lot here when it comes
to the courts if you remember and told them the truth.
I don't want you to tell me anything that I
want to hear. I want you to tell what happened.
(40:45):
That's a lot one. And I gotta tell you if
you're really hurting the way that you say you are,
telling the truth is going to make you feel a
whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
It will. I just want to die.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Well, that's well, that's why you're baker acted. But that
doesn't make you crazy. That means suicidal, means you're depressed.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
I don't want to go in a paper sack somewhere
on this concrete floor. I don't know what they do. Well,
that's that's that's why you're bank acted. You're gonna see,
you're gonna see.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Medical professionals that are gonna help you become not depressed
and not soup. And that wasn't my decision to bake
act you. That was a doctor's.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
So what did they find in my stomach? I don't know.
I don't see medical records. Why do I not walk?
I don't know for two days going on three days?
No balance?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
You think so many poisons you So what you're saying, no,
is that how poison works. Poison could be drugs, could
be anything. Anything that's not natural to your body is poison.
And if somebody else gives it to you, I consider
it poison. If they'd give it to you with a
hill intent. It's kind of what it sounds like you
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were saying. What was in my stomach. Wife at my walk.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
So if you would tell me to take things, I
would calm down and go to sleep. Yeah, I did
whatever she said, she'd tell you to take anything. When
she said she was gonna fuck Mike, she didn't say
it like that. You did it to be nasty and
just speak what does she Well, you just told me
a few months ago. She did say. She said it
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with hate, and she says, I fucking hate you. You
have never loved you. You're you're you're crazy, you're you're
you're insane. Well that's that's what I just said.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I mean, I'm just not saying it with the emotion,
But you're not saying it with emotion either.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
How did she say I'm drained? Yeah, tell me exactly
explained to me how she said. What's let me hear
what she sounded like. She said that she was through
with me, that she wants me out of the house,
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that she's gonna call the police and report that I'm
there and I'm not supposed to be there and she
doesn't need me anymore, doesn't want me. And she said
like that, I'm like, yeah, whatever, Pitch, let me move
on my way. I want she said to you. If
that's what she said, I wouldn't I that's that's just
that's emotionless. Is that how she said it to you.
I'm not kind of yell, dude. I've got no energy
(43:41):
for yelling. I'm not asking me to yell. But I
mean she said it with hate, okay, and.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Her eyes went big with little people's like she's doing
her PTSD thing when she gets upset.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
That's what do you do? They get really big And yeah,
she had bipolar schizophrenia. That's PTSD. She has bipole with
schizophrenia and took medications for She has eight different medications
that she takes. So she's got bipolar and PTSD. That's
what she told me. She's got some real problem. She's
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fine out of that. She's great, funny, great dancer, dressed nice.
It was fun with people who has the ability to
go and just take your car and go whenever they
want to go. The Cadillac keys are in the kitchen
drawer along with all the rest of the keys of
the cars. Okay, Sophie normally drove the Navigator. That's what
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she liked. Okay, do you allow people to drive your Cadille?
Bill's driven it before, Mike's driven it before, Sophie's driven
it before. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Most people don't like driving it because it's an old
fogie car. Did they just come and get it with
with your professional without your permssion, with my permission? Well,
they would take without your permission, I don't think so. Okay,
did you want it to anybody this week?
Speaker 2 (45:10):
No, Sophie took the Navigator to go see the boys.
When's the last time you drove the Cadillac? Last week?
Didn't drive it any at all? This week? This week
is last week? Isn't this still this week? This is Saturday? Well,
this is Saturday, so this is still this week? This week?
What days? I sure? Did you drive it? I'm gone?
I went to Public's other day and picked up a
(45:31):
bunch of groceries first week morning early for anybody? Was
awake at seven? Okay, between seven and eight o'clock, bout
groceries and gassed it up. Was that between seven and eight? Yep?
And what day was that? I don't know what day
it is. When you're not going to work every day,
you don't have to worry about what day of the
week it is. Was it the day after you went
to Mike and or to Kim and Bill's house. You
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saw Kim and Bill on stevery day because Sophie insisted.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Okay, well, so so you went to Bill and Kim's
on Tuesday night. You and her stayed up all night
long because she was on a bend or whatever. You
stayed up on my own dancing. You had the fight
that morning and she told you she was gonna fuck Mike.
(46:19):
You don't remember anything after that, but then you do
remember going between seven and eight am one of those
mornings to publics before anybody.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Else got up, So it was prior to you going
to Kim and Bill's. Yeah, well, you've got the Kim
bills almost every day because Ken is Sophie's best friend.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Okay, how do you know nobody was up? Anybody see
you leave, and anybody see you come back that morning
when you went to publics to drive to publics too early?
Even Mike was still asleep. If Michae was there that day,
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 6 (46:50):
What.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Well, No, I'm trying to help you piece things together, okay, okay,
I'm trying to help you piece things together to give
me the truth about stuff, to get different loops and
waves to do no loops and weaves. I'm just trying
to give you. I'm trying to give you as much.
I'm reminding you what you told me. Yes, Okay, So.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Tuesday night, Kim and Bills. Almost every night Kim and Bills,
whether they're arguing.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Are arguing or Okay, well let me tell you this.
So Tuesday night, you go to Kim and Bills. On
Wednesday morning, she was supposed to go to shopping with Kim.
Kim has never talked to her since then.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Okay. So the morning after she went home, Kim texted
with her and Kim said, let's go. It's about eight
forty in the morning.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Kim said yeah, and then Kim got a text back
from Sophie that said I'll get ready and be right over.
And then Sophie never came back ever again. So that's
the morning that you were having to fight with her. Yes,
that he wasn't there. Okay, So around the same time,
if you stayed up all night and you're dancing and
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she gets a message from the neighbor that says, hey,
let's go shopping and then she's never heard or seen
from again after that. But you're telling me it was
just you two in the house. That's two and two
equals just you two there and she hasn't been seen since.
So what happened to Sophie?
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Right? And she's gonna County Morgue right now? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, I know what happened to her eventually. I'm just
wanting to know what happened to her that morning that
you have conveniently forgotten.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
They just blocked from shock. Maybe maybe if you killed her,
would it be shocked you that bad? You ever kill anybody?
I think so? Yeah? I would. I don't know. People
kill everybody all that.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
I see people all the time sitting in this room
in that chair that have killed people and they haven't
forgot it.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
I mean, you tell me I'm not. I'm just telling
you the fact that I.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Warn Yes, sir, I'll give you a second, give me
a second, please, all right? Go on?
Speaker 2 (49:09):
You were talking guy, No.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
No, don't give me a second. Compose yourself. When do
you need to if you're thinking about stuff, I'm just
there to help you.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
I didn't want to go back to the Wiles. What's
in Wiles? When I went to jail. The last time
I went to jail, they put me in gem Pop
in a little pod where I was sleeping in a boat.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Oh, you're not going there this time. No, you know
you're a big rafton. You're going to the medical wing.
I won't go back to those pods.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Maybe eventually that you're going to the medical wing. Right now,
it's that sitting on a concrete bench with a paper
towl for you.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
I don't know. I don't. I don't know that. I
don't know. I've never worked in the jail. I have
no idea. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I don't
think so, I don't. I don't believe so. Pet your
one of the medical wing. So you're not going back
to Zimpop. Should I talk to an attorney? It's up
to you.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Looks like you got all the answers right there. Oh
I've got no answers. I got no answers. You got
no answers for anything I've asked you. I think you'll
feel better. It's gotta be heavy, it's gotta be have
(50:40):
v it's gotta be heavy on the heart, heavy on
the mind.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
But I think telling me about it, am I just
telling you? I'm telling him?
Speaker 4 (50:54):
Okay, telling us about it. Sorry, It's not like I
forget about It's not like I forget about him.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
You want me to. Oh, I like you. You're a
good guy. You've been straight up with me and you're
just the detective same thing but more aggressive. Don't tell
me my boss that. Please tell me impressive. I look
your shift the rabbit skull thing nice? Yeah, yeah, I'm
not trying to be lighthearted. No, that's why can I
(51:22):
tell you what I see? I know nothing about this case,
as I told you before, right, but I see when.
Speaker 10 (51:30):
The detectives asking you, serving questions, even about things that
happened a long time ago, your job, what you did,
how they've sold all these types of things.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Your memory is, this is what I'm picking up on.
Your memory is quick.
Speaker 10 (51:48):
But when it comes to this, is she want to
go around it? I think you're there, and I think
you know you know more than I do, okay, and
I think you want to but.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
You're just not sure. And the thing is that he's
trying to get to you. Is he said it twice?
I don't know that you. I know you heard it,
but did you hear it?
Speaker 10 (52:14):
Is this could possibly help you in the long run
when it comes to the court system, so me not
knowing anything.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
It's just the little things I'm catching.
Speaker 10 (52:30):
When he asked you certain questions, you pop the answers
until he gets to the one what happened to Sophie?
Speaker 2 (52:37):
You pause. I think you want to say, can you
give me twenty minutes more? Tell you whatever you want?
Just fucking don't send me away yet. What I'm minutes?
Where I go away. I'll give you twenty minutes, but
I don't want you to trouble what you want what
I want? And this is from an outsider, mister Brown.
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What is one?
Speaker 6 (52:58):
One head of family? And the people in that fucking
fell box? There were animals. Two guys try to beat
the fuck out of each other the first night in
the guards door and you would come inside.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
They'd bring your trays in. They open the door and
they open another door to get the trays. There's a fight.
Speaker 11 (53:23):
They wait till it's over and then they come in. Okay,
we went to sleep Saturday, whatever night, it was all right.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
I had to sleep. She's stayed up all night and
I'm trying to sleep and she's dancing and pop around, dancing,
pop around in the bed.
Speaker 6 (53:44):
I'm trying to Syphie calm down, Syphie, calm down if
you did up in the morning, and she flipped again.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
I'm through. I'm through your You're nothing to me. I
don't love you. You're a piece of shit. You're a boy,
you're a mess, You're worthless. I tried to feed her,
got some meat out for her, and tried to get
her to eat something I don't want to eat. She
went to the backyard. She threw up, sat down and
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started talking to you guys, you know some more some
of your stuff. I always had marijuana for a calmer down.
And she came at me, okay, and I fucking hit
it really hard. I went fucking nuts. Okay, yeah, not
(54:51):
a monster. Most I just went crazy. I hit her
(55:19):
again and again and again. I choked. Please, you don't know.
Speaker 6 (55:52):
She's still breathing. I took the knife up the kitchen
table where she's eating breakfast, the stabbed.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
Her with it.
Speaker 6 (56:02):
Where right, sure, okay? And I turned into machine. I
tracked her down the hallway to the bedroom.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
I cleaned the kitchen, I cleaned the kitchen.
Speaker 6 (56:36):
The hallway, put her bag on herhead, I put in
a wheelchair, put her in the car, were in the car.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
In the trunk, and I took all.
Speaker 6 (57:10):
The towels and all the bloody clothes and all the shit,
put it in the trunk with her, and I drove
downtown Saint Petersburg to the parking garage and then went
up to the sixth floor that bar. I don't want
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to have this all I had to drink and this
bar and I started calling people.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
I called my pastor, I call friends, I call people
I've known all my life since childhood. I didn't tell
him I hurt anybody. I just told him I just
money in my life. It is over. Yeah. I don't
know how I got back home again. Well, I went
(57:59):
back home. I went back home a lot of monster.
I lost my fucking mind. I know you hear this
all the time from people. And if you don't think
I'm not crying right now, I'm trying. My soul is crying.
I I totally believe you. Now, totally believe me.
Speaker 12 (58:20):
I want to go, not yet, no, no, no, If
you're fine, take your time, I want to go. I
don't want to go back to those little selves. Can
you give me a few minutes. I need to step
(58:40):
out for a grounds. If you don't mind, what happens next,
I'll come back.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
You're gonna come back a little bit of time for
you to put me away? Yes, promise, yes, hell you want.
Let's start off. Let's start off with thirty minutes. Well,
well we'll come back.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
Okay, please? Are they coming back there? They just step
out from that. Just be a couple of minutes. Yeah,
a good top two strips already the way ahead of
the league. Yeah, it's districts. Just say they're just for
field training. So train the new officers.
Speaker 6 (59:18):
Do you want?
Speaker 2 (59:20):
So I just had a couple of little things though.
That's a real coach, not through. I'm not a monster. Believe,
I believe you. You're a good person. Thank you. I'm not.
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This is not me, This is not who I was.
I swear. I believe she destroyed me. Allowed it class
my family, my job, my career, my friends, my all,
my life. Listen, sometimes we just get caught up and
(01:00:05):
it's just like he was saying.
Speaker 10 (01:00:06):
To you earlier, it's enough to piss people off, and
sometimes they do things that they wouldn't normally do.
Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
But it doesn't matter. Now I'm gonna die anyways, so
what's the difference. But I'm sorry, I want you to
know because you're a good person. I know you know,
I can feel it. I'm sorry, it's not enough. Oh
this is not who I am. And thank you for
this next, and thank you for letting me have some
time for their prison. We can rush earlier. Thank you.
(01:00:40):
Can I see a couple more questions? Whatever you want? Okay?
So on the morning of this happened, did.
Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Kim was sending all kinds of text messages to Sophie
and you send a text message back?
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
What did you send back? I told or that she's
tired for making up all night, asked Kim.
Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Once this is over, so tell you there's a lot
of times Sophie stays up all night and she knows
that because she sees me next day, I'm fucking exhausted,
not because I'm drinking and doing drugs with her, since
she's all night like old people do that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Right after a while, it's just did you wear out?
You wear out? Sure? And she takes seat and ghost
to sleep, but she'll sleep all day.
Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
And Kim wants to go out party with her or
do that, and so I told her, well, she took
a seat, post wants to get bad, I'll get her
up in an hour.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
And Kim got all pissed off. Yeah, just send that
message from your phone or from Sophie's phone, my phone.
I never used Sophie's phone. Where is the knife? Now?
Knowing that bucket was the rest of this up in
the bucket? There's a trash bag. Yeah, okay, yeah, lots
of knives and did knives for twenty eight years. You
(01:01:56):
read you have a lot of betdrug monks knife. No,
most of mine are uh, Columbia cutlery and some other stuff. Okay,
So if there's a black do you need it? Do
you need it? Yeah? I admit to you. What if
I did her? I know, we still we just like
to verify which tongs is the truth at this point,
Why would I lie about anything? I agree, but I
(01:02:17):
gonna ask, So where's her phone? I put her phone
in the microwave and I threw it away, threw it
away at the house, I went to Maria Manner, visited
my wife's sake a bider art. I'm doing a trash
can Maria Manner, Maria Manors, of course, Bob securious, Maria Manners.
(01:02:40):
What it's called. Okay, this is not who I am.
It doesn't matter. Now. I'm sorry. Guys. Oh that's an apology.
I'm sorry, God, I'm sorry. You haven't atually in forty
eight hours. No, that's my job. It's okay. I get
(01:03:02):
to retire one day. I'll don't let you cute me
or shot in checkt me or whatever it is. But
how can I do that? Quicker? Can I ask for
that penalty? It's on you in your attorney. I don't
have an attorney. You're gonna get one. I don't want one. Well,
I represent myself. That's how do you get out of this?
(01:03:23):
You don't? You just you gotta tell the judge stuff.
You gotta Yeah, if you don't want an attorney, but yeah,
I think that will point you one anyway. Don't do
what I did. Actually they do. I hate to admit that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
I'm trying to be selfish now, but I don't want
to go to a little concrete bench for the paper
or thing.
Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
The first time something went to jail, she has some
fear of her life.
Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
She said, you want to hurt herself, and they gave
her a paper sack on a concrete thing in the
cell with the window.
Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Well that's different then, you know, I don't know I
think you'll go to the medical wing. I I don't.
I don't know that. I can't.
Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
I don't wanna tell you know that's not gonna happen
because I I really don't know. I think you're you're
you're going in there from the hospitalism Baker.
Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
You know.
Speaker 13 (01:04:19):
I don't do back copts. Have a little bit more time, please, yeah, yeah, yeah,
thank you for the snakes he will.
Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
I'm not a bad person. I believe you just got
pushed too far and nice. Can you tell me what's
gonna happen to me? Now?
Speaker 10 (01:04:41):
Like he said, you don't go out, they'll put you
under medical watch because the Baker Act, Uh, how long
you been there?
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
We don't control that. They control that. The medical wing
will control that out there. I wish I could tell
you it's this in days the same reason that anyway,
is it? Yeah? But to be in there where her
where the paper a paper sacks all you get. She
got mad at me because I sent some money to
her sister in law because I didn't have no money
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on the PayPal. You know, h have you seen my
home the outside only?
Speaker 14 (01:05:26):
It's a nice home, five hundred and twenty school foot
child and I flat screen TV and surround sound, six
person jacuzzi with a waterfall, nice big backyard.
Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Worked hard. I was honest twenty eight years her. Uh,
her brother's gonna kill me. Oh he doesn't manage. Are
we talking, Sophia, No, we're brother brother. Sophie's brother is
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gonna kill me. You get ahold of one of us
friends in jail. He's been that out of jail for years.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Enjoy too many phones. I'll be able to get rid
of someone. Now just wait, I'm a partner. Come in.
Let's say all the odds. You've been very polite. Good
it should be you just got coke? Zero coke zero? Okay?
(00:26):
Or thank you? I thought we had a regular coke.
But that's okay, the last time I get probably for
a long time.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
All right, So it's Warren, right, yes, sir, okay, more,
my name is Brian. Yeah, thanks Brian. This is Paul
where detectives who work here for the police department to
talk to you. I gotta go to this rights advisement.
You have to have to make sure you know you're right,
and so I'll read directly in the paper these questions.
(01:02):
They might seem kind of stupid when I ask you this,
But are you under the influence of any prescription drugs
right now?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yes? They would given me stuff at the hospital, you
know what, These of other things. The nurse said she
thought that I had tried to kill myself. Okay, any alcohol,
not since I been in. But the last things I
remember are two things I remember being downtown Saint Petersburg
(01:32):
at the Cigar bar and getting a cigar.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
And hang on, hang on, get through those apologize any
illegal drugs.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
That doesn't mean that I haven't been given illegal drugs
when my girlfriend Stacy Salie has a prescription non prescription
narcotics which she would give to me sometimes. Yeah, but
I mean, are you're under the influence. No, it's been
like three days. Oh yeah, Okay, okay. What's the last
(02:01):
grade that you completed? Twelve?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Can you read yes, sir? I know there's dumb questions.
Can you write yes, sir? And speak Turkish too? Can
you hear yes, sir? Yeah, that's the other question I'm
going to blows all minds sometimes.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Do you understand that you have the right to remain silent? Yes?
Having these rights in mind, do you wish to talk
to us now? Sure? Yes sir. Yeah, I asked me
either yes or no. Yes, sir, I don't have any
spreads shaking. Okay, that's fucked up.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, from the medications they here would have done. Yeah,
what do you mean you don't know what you've done?
Obviously I've done something that they've been arrested. Well, there
was the thing what two weeks ago back on the
ninth or something where Sophie and your roommate there there
(02:57):
was something you arrested back then, right, yes, and he
would given court order not to go back to the house. Correct, Yeah,
well you went back, so you have they put out
probable calls to arrest you for that, for violation of
the court order or pre trial release.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think that's what it's called. So there's that. What
I want to talk to you is about what happened
with Sophie. So not in that incident. I didn't cut
Sophie that night. She told you guys that I didn't
do that to her. Bipolar schizophrenia, okay, And she can't
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drink that she insists on drinking and gets very violent.
She's done lots of crazy things and with lots of people. Yeah,
not sex things, just just using people and just horrible
people have demons. It's not a big I threw my
life away because is Sophie how to throw your life away?
(03:56):
Because everyone in my company, most of my neighbors, everyone said,
she's going to destroy you. She's she's she's evil, that's
all she does.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Okay, that what's happened has destroyed your life being with her.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
She gets you, so she can manipulate people so well, controlling,
being super wonderful and super sweet and just completely flip
out the other way and come at your eyes with
claws and good. That's not good, it's horrible. Shot a
fucking run away again.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I said, Okayank to us, do you you understand you're
under a Baker Act?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
From the hospital right? Do you want? A Baker Act
means I'm insane. No, it doesn't mean you're insane at all.
It means that I think I've lost my mind.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
That's what you're asking me. No, no, no, I'm not
asking that at all. I'm asking you I can understand
what a Baker Act is. I'm a threat to myself
or to others.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Their story.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And that doesn't mean that you're insane or it doesn't
mean that you've lost your mind. Like you said that,
that just means that you were having social ideations and
that you were a threat to yourself or to others.
People can be recidal. Some people are settled intermittently throughout
their whole life. That doesn't make them insane, just means
are depressed, far cry from being insane. As a matter
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of fact, I asked for help from my sister and
she just walked away because of Sophie.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I asked for help from my friends that I've known
for years to help me. They all said no because
of Sophie. Yeah, I basically got walled off from people
that I cared for, even with my daughter.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Earlier this week, you were asking people for help. Yeah,
well when did you? When did you start asking for
help this couple.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Days ago and just talking to friends and saying, I
don't know what I'm gonna do. I can't, I can't
do this anymore. What friends we men? Which ones did
you ask? Is what I'm asking? John Ellis, John Ball
back my talk to my cousin. I talked to a
bunch of friends, my pastor, Craig Nelson, who lives two
doors down. He's the one initially called you guys two doors.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Down live like seventy four hundred or little seventy three hundreds,
one more down, about three dollars down, three doors down,
three doors down, seventy four hundred is a bad situation
in that place.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, tell me about that.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Kim supplies prescription drugs to a bunch of people because
she has multiple doctors prescriptions.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Okay, she gives drugs to her boyfriend. She gave drugs
to Sophie, those Xanax things whatever they are, sure and
drink and Sophia, who could berserk? I had the cops
and you look at the record come to my house
for many times you have removed from my home and
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then wanted me to press charge against her. I wouldn't
do it because I love Dors. She can't be here.
She's just going me crazy. I'll come home before from
work and every all the furnitures wearin, shit's broken. I
have a lot of stress because I'm taking care of
my wife. She's had a nursing home. She had a
massive stroke. I'm sorry, it's not your fault. I appreciate
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the condoling the only child to help out, and she
didn't want to. She just I can't deal with it.
And she dropped out of school and just it was
alone and no one to help me. And I don't
like to go doing the dating thing. And I met
Sophie at a fundraiser and came. They all came.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
A couple people came to my house and I fell
in love with her.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
But she's evil. How long's that been almost a year.
I've literally packed her up three different times with all
her stuff and put her out of the house, and
all three times she's found.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
A way to come back. Finally just gave up. You
think she contributed to your reaching out for help from people? No,
I mean this week specifically, what happened.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
What does she do? She'll go from being really wonderful
to say the most horrible things ever. You're not a man.
You're a failure. I don't love you. I think of
other people when I'm having sex with you. I'm gonna
put you away in jail. Even though you know that
you didn't cut me. I'm going to tell him that
you did. I'm i get you put in jail for
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pretty twenty years. You need to go to prison. You're
a fool. All kinds of crazy shit. What did she
tell you? How a bunch of different times she said
she like that in front of Kim. Her best friend
said crazy shit. We watched Kim and Bill go out
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and actually freaking clawn and fight with each other. Bill's
been arrested several times for assault against this. It was
not married seven years. I guess they should be, but
they're bad to be around. And every time there there's
always violence is violence. Kim cuts herself in her arms.
She's got dozens of cuts. That's why she wears long
(09:08):
sleeved shirts. And then Sophie started doing that. When it
broke up to their februards, took a knife. She got
to throw it right here in the knife superficially. I
let her come back. When's the last time you saw Sophie?
Earlier this week? You remember what day was? I don't
even know what my name is sometimes right now, I'm serious,
(09:29):
I'm not playing games with you. You know you know
what day it is right now because it keep telling
me it's Saturday, what years to twenty nineteen? And who's
the president? Donald Trump? But I didn't know that three
days ago. You know what today?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Though?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, because they keep telling me. Anyway, anytime they come
in and come see me, they asked me the same questions.
And I could even walk when I came in. That
didn't literally carry me. I literally couldn't sleep. Happened? I
don't know. I don't know. Well, I mean it was
your leg did your leg stop working? Or I mean,
what was he said? You couldn't walk in? I took
some sleeping pills. Okay, okay, but I didn't take a
(10:10):
shitload of sleeping pills. I don't take anything. I don't
even hardly ever take aspirin. I've got a drug I
used for a low thyroid.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I take it every day, and I take Men's multi
vitamins and vitamin E and some other stuffs in my
fridge to stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I try to watch what you eat, you know. I
try to do aerobic exercises and try to stay healthy.
But I got stuck in a spiral of just happy, miserable,
happy miserable, happy miserable. When need to take the sleeping
pills A couple of different nights because I wasn't able
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to sleep, She'll get on one of her little benches
and she'll stay up all night. And you know, we
sleep in the same bedroom, the same bed, and she's up,
you know, playing it, playing the stereo and dancing around
and trying to sleep. And if you don't what are
you doing? You don't fucking love me, blah blah blah,
you don't love me.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well, I mean, you said you took some sleeping pills
and then it affected just so, when's the last time
you remember taking those sleeping pills might have been more
than the sleeping pills you get. Sophieused to give me
stuff too.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Okay, when's the last time you remember taking the sleeping pills?
And maybe whatever I want to say, three days ago?
So you you don't remember anything for the past three
or the last besides when you guys hoped me up,
I would make you two gentlemen. Yet at that point
I woke up at the hospital. Okay, Okay, I didn't
know where it was, Okay, know what was going on.
(11:38):
I couldn't. I couldn't stand, Okay to go to the bathroom.
They put a cather on my penis so I could urinate.
I remember going downtown to Saint Pete and getting a
cigar and sitting outside and having a glass of jamison
(12:01):
jentrail And where'd you go to help to get the cigar?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Oh, warel, let's go. It's a place called Social Cigar. Okay,
downtown And when when do you remember going there? Three
days ago? So that would have been Wednesday. I also
remember my daughter coming over to my house. Let's say
dreamed it and take him to the hospital. She did,
said there's something wrong with you, daddy.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
What's the matter. Yeah, she had, she had, she had
to carry me to the car. Yeah, I don't remember
anything else because waking up with the one of the
officers from my house two or three times before he
knows the situation with Sophie. He's arrested Sophie. He's arrested me.
See when's the last time you remember seeing Sophie?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Then the last time we moved At Kim and Bill's
and another huge argument.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
They're having a good time. The girls are singing.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
What they like to do is they use the falling
on a bluetooth. They play songs and Kim always plays
these I got this kind of music like part of
the language.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Fuck you Bill kind of music a lot, she does
have a lot. And then Sophie, they were both there.
They don't know that genre. What is the fucking bill music? No, no, no, no,
sorry sorry, it's music this mad by independent woman women
that tell them I don't need you. I missed the
sheets that I used to mind, the sheets that I
used to.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Wash, and all was other you know, uh kind of
man hating I hate yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of it,
A lot of abuse. That's that's pretty prevalent society, you know,
independent women and don't like yeah it.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
That's not what you should play. If people we try
to work things out.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I'm not I with Sophie as a wife, but she
shairs what's going to be the most ironic things I've
met her whole family.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Sophie had a wonderful husband. They got shoes out of college.
She was twenty two, he's thirty two, is ten years older.
They met. She was working two jobs, one at the
crime lab for Hillsborough County and doing something at the hospital.
She's a college graduate. They had two wonderful boys. They
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built a house in town and country. They sold that.
They did another house.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And sold that, and at about nine years of marriage,
she decided I want to get married Ay Moore and
walked away.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And I met the husband. He's fantastic and the boys
are both outstanding young man. I could never get her
to go see her boys. She was in jail for
fifty four days. She came up to her next child date.
I got an attorney at three thousand dollars attorney that
got her released. She was felt guilty of battery. I
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went to the court and read in front of Chess Grissinger.
The first time she went up. It was too early playing.
She has a family to wants to supporter and friends
that were behind you. She just needs to stay away
from the alcohol and she could be a normal person.
And Jesse Chrissinger said, no, you need to get some programs.
He's anti violence programs, and you know, do this. So
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she did another fifty four days.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
When court day was coming up, I hired a good
atour and you got her released with no restrictions or anything.
I met her father at the jail to pick her up.
We talked for about an hour and brought her home.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Let's go back to the part about her like being
a wife. Was she does she work in the relationship
with you? Or I mean she does she? You know?
I think sometimes a man is usually the one that's
kind of the head of the household.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And she was working a job working at Tuesday morning,
uh huh.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And she was arrested for battery or something. I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
So many times you've both been arrested about bullshit with her,
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
And then she was put out on bond, and then
when she went to court, she's arrested again for another charge.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
So so you don't have any control over her most
of the time, no control over at all. Yeah, she
didn't listen to you. Is she didn't take your lead
on anything.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You try to make suggestions that you can make your
life better. Do this.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
You need to stay away from the alcohol and the
people that cause you to not do the right thing right.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
No, mhmm. Do you know what she did? I do?
Where she she's.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
In the medical examiner's office, not a cool samar's office.
Why she's deceased, Why.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Well, I don't know that. So I was kind of
hoping you tell me what did I do? Tell me,
I don't know, tell me what I did. I don't
know what you did? What happened? Do you know? That's
why we're here.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Talking to you, because you know, things happen, and people
have all different reasons for things happening.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I'd just like to know what happened with you, And
so it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I don't got you love her, but it sounds like
you two had a really volatile relationship. Sounds like you're
trying to help her, sounds like she didn't take you
to lead.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I mean, there's a whole gambet of things. Do you
know what happened to your hands here, don't.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, is that knuckle broken? Or can you move that
those two fingers? Yeah? Yeah, so she's she's deceased. Why
would you ask me what you did?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Obviously it must have been with her. Who else had
heard her? I don't know. Did you tell me she
didn't have any namies? Okay?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Would you have hurt her because she was hurting you?
You don't seem like a kind of guy who hurts
somebody to not to me anyway?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Who know what I can have anymore? I'm not a
human anymore. I don't know who I am anymore.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Yeah, I don't remember anything, and I don't think it
could kill her. Yeah, I lost my family over her,
my distance over her, might say to you over her.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
That's gonna point out you're you're you know you're not.
There are no tears coming from your eyes? What you're
not crying tears? No, there's no tears in me. I'm
just sitting there looking at you. There's no tears in
your eyes.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
There's not.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I mean, I'm just I'm just pointing out the fact here,
and I'm just trying to ask you. You know, you
look like you're sad. You look like you're crying, but
there's not a single tear coming under your eye. Okay,
there's still no tear on your finger there. You're telling
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me you didn't low her. No, I'm not telling you
that at all. I think you did low her. But
like you said when you came in here, she's evil.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I think.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
She unleashed some evil on you, and you unleash some
evil back, and evil and evil and that doesn't equal good, right.
And I can completely sympathize with you if you're doing
something like self defense or something like that, but it
doesn't look like self defense to mean, because your neck there,
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you've got fingernails, scratches all down the front of your
neck and onto your chest, and the backs of your
hands are torn up like you were in a pretty
good fistfight. It's been many years since I've fought where
I laid out my knuckles like that. And I'm a cop.
You know, you kind of would expect I fight for
a living sometimes. But I'm just looking at this here,
(20:36):
and I'm just wondering if you're people tell police officers
they don't like to us so much as they just
don't tell us the truth, the whole truth. And I'm
just wondering if you're just not telling me the whole
truth because you think the truth will make you look worse,
when in fact, the whole truth may actually make you
(20:57):
look a lot more innocent. You know what I'm saying.
We have people sitting in here in this room all
the time that have killed or maimed or injured other people.
Sometimes they're justified, no justification for killing you and being
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that's that's not true under the lie, under the eyes
of the law. There is justified homicide. That's that's not true.
Sometimes there's justification.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
One of them is.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Self defense in defense of another person. There's there's a
couple of different reasons that it's justified to to kill
another person. There's no justification what they're saying. Okay, now
you're saying a murderer. No, you you kind of told
me that you did. You kind of said what did
I do? And I'm just telling you what. I'm sitting
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here across the table.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Looking at you told me that she's dead. Yes, she's
in the corner's office. Yes, And you said what did
I do? I didn't say what did you do? You
said what did I do? What did I do?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
The only person who knows what you did is you.
That's why we're sitting here. I would like to know
what you did, but I don't know, and I won't
ever know unless you tell me. She killed me, she
killed you, she killed me? How did she kill you?
Speaker 7 (22:42):
Emotionally, physically, mentally, well, physically, she didn't kill you because
you're sitting here talking mentally and emotionally.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Okay, we've all had bad relationships. But she didn't.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Physically kill you, because you're sitting here in the chair
clocking tow me.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Did she try to physically kill you? She's chased me
with a knife before. No, I mean this week. I
mean this week. What happened this week? And I'm trying
to think, Oh, you take your time, huh. I'm not
rushing you. I'm just put on the obvious questions out there.
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She's been angry before and chopped up furniture in the
house with a knife. Okay, she sliced the front doorframe.
She took a chalk out of the table in the kitchen.
She chopped up the Ethan Allen dresser in the guest room.
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She's taken a knife to the tiresty cadillact before well,
I was gonna go pick up my work the next day.
I'm flattening two of the tires to the point where
I actually had to move the Cadillac somewhere else where
she couldn't find it. That's all in the past.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, she's threatened me, she's blackmailed me.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
She's told me that she was gonna tell the police
and I cut her arms. She told me that she
was going to sleep with Mike Bell just to piss
me off. When did she tell you that this week?
Mike's going through a very bad divorce, trying to save
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his family. He lost his home. I'm known him for
eighteen years. He slept on the couch hm for about
a week. We went to North Carolina, he stayed, took
her of the hands. Yeah, seems like a really nice guy, Mike.
(25:02):
It's an alcoholic. I'll get it for the morning. I
instead of a drink, if I had to drive him up,
get him whiskey to drink to go to work in
the morning. Okay, I've no nice alcoholics. You know we
will find Sophie.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
When did she tell you she was going to sleep
with Mike this week? Where at Where's she going to
sleep with her. Where did she tell you that at
our home?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Do you remember what day? Now?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
What time of the day wasn't when she told you that.
I think it was in the morning. She was really nasty.
We've been up all night. We're dancing. She's up to
the bed. I'm trying to sleep. She's up all night,
sitting there, rocking back and forth. Two nights in a row,
no sleep.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Was Mike at the house at the time when she
told you that, No, he's been working on being able
to stay with his wife. Okay, he gives her money,
he gets a paycheck, and he pays. So Mike said
that he stayed with his family on Tuesday. He didn't
stay home with you guys. So you and her were
up all night dancing and partying the knights that he
was gone. We were next door the neighbor's house.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I was having well, Mike was with you guys one
night when you went to the neighbor's house. That was
on That was on Monday.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Okay, back over there Tuesday night, okay, and I had
a couple of beers and the girls chrack a pottle
of wine. Okay, and we're in the kitchen because they
go between in the kitchen and on the patio, and
the girls are singing and Kimmy knows the lyrics and
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watching Kimmy do the lyrics, and Sophie flipped out thinking
I was looking at Kimmy sexually. Kimmy's a big girl, Okay,
I was just watching her singing, Sophie, fat girls need
love to right. I mean she has a boyfriend at
their house. Verbal. Yeah, okay, we try to calm her down.
(27:01):
It was sound to go to bed because I'm pretty
sure that Kimmy had to go to work. Kimmy works
second chef for Southwest second Ship. I can't even off
that's south with hers. And then so you guys got home.
Did was she planned going shopping with Kimmy. They do
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that a lot. They do a plan of shopping and
I always make sure that she's kept me to buy
stuff by some clothing.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, so you guys went home and you were up
all night fighting.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
No, she calmed dancing, she calmed down. Well, I had
marijuana for her because she just marijuana to calm down, okay,
And she smokes in marijuana, and she had.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
I had what are they called white claw? Had a
white claw? Is that that five percent alcohol stuff for her. Yeah,
it's like beer, but it's not made with beer. It's
not brute kind of slip with you in the lines
on that one, okay. And I tried to go to sleep.
I was exhausted, and she's sitting in bed, her side
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of the beds. It's on the on the right side
to face in the bed, next to the lamp, and
she's playing dancing and dancing.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Please let me go sleep. If you turn around, you
don't love me. Lah lah, No, you had to turn around, okay,
And everything's good.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
All right.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Just here before was that she told you she was
going to sleep with Mike just to hurt you. And
he said, she told you that in the morning time.
I think so. And it was the morning after you came.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Back from there, Kivi and Bills and and Mike was
not staying in your house that night. There was two
nights Mike wasn't there yet, two nights stayed up yet
Which nights were those consecutive?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
No, I don't think so. I think he came home
one night his daughter's birthday. They picked him up.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Okay, So his daughter's birthday was Tuesday, and that's the
night he wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Then his daughter's birthday was tuesday. He said, okay, so.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Tuesday night, you guys went back over to Kevin Bills,
and he wasn't with you. I didn't want to be there.
This is Sophie wants to be there. Yeah, it sounds
like you were right. I don't like the place to be.
And so the Wednesday morning is obviously then when she
told her she was going to sleep with Mike, just
to hurry out.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
And call the police and say that I'm talking with her,
I'm not supposed to be there and get me ejected
for my home and and she was done with me.
And I'm a piece of shit and she never loved me,
just a piece of crap.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Another man, she used, what am I supposed to say?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
You're supposed to say whatever you want to say, But
I hope it's you're going to tell me what.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I'm supposed to say. I don't know what I did.
You don't know what you did. I lost my mind. Okay, Okay, Well,
I mean it's not justified. What's not justifying anything, anything
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at all is not justified. Losing your mind, being being
treated like shit. You try to do everything you can
provide the best for everyone that you do. Always. I've
always been wanting to hear everybody my whole life. My
wife and I always had a problem with friends. Really
help them out, that's wanting some money, help them get
a job. She would come me out of my church.
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She didn't want to go to Craig's church because I've
talked to Craig before about the problem. However, what does
she did that Wednesday morning?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
When I mean, I can't even imagine how spiteful she
was being when she said.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It was abusive.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It's not even good looking, but it's just another thing
that's okay, but it's just being addictive. Yeah, exactly, that's
what I'm saying. But I can't even imagine coming to
a point where I would say that to somebody, much
less I can't imagine anybody saying that to me. Piss
me off. I mean, that's that's the lowest of below
pushing your buttons. You know, you don't threaten something like that.
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Did you guys have a physical fight that morning? I
don't remember that. Okay, what about the following night?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Did you guys? Did you guys make up after that?
You've always made up. There's always that problem when she
never went to another bedroom.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
She stayed with me always, okay, But after Wednesday morning,
after she said I'm gonna sleep with Mike, were you
guys amicable anytime after that?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Did you? Guys? I don't go anywhere and do anything.
I don't remember the next thing I remember, he's been
on the Central Avenue of getting a cigar, okay, been drinking.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, Mike didn't stay at your house on Tuesday night,
his birthday, his daughter's birthday.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
He was there the next night and he saw you.
You didn't come here away. Where was Sophie? Nobody knows.
She wasn't with Mike, No or me. Who are you?
(32:23):
She wasn't living anybody. Why would she be with Mike,
who lives together right now? He sleeps on the couch. Yeah,
but I mean shopping there alone with him when you're
not around. When I was in jail overnight, she was.
He didn't do anything but drink. I brought back some
Tennessee moonshine from our trip. Was going on moonshine and
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two big jugs. They drank it. I can't drink that
much moonshine. I don't know. Probably, yeah, think you her
or do you think she hit here? So she went
(33:17):
after your throat. You wanna see what your neck looks like? Here?
Leave forward here, leave forward a little bit more specially
(33:47):
fuck up man, Shit, Sorry, I can't fix it. I
can't see it very well.
Speaker 9 (33:53):
Yeah, thinking else, guys, I didn't see what the rest
of your chest and stuff looks like.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
But that's that's some fingals crisis there. Yeah, what she did,
she got to your throat. Usually when she got mad
at me, she could go from my eyes. I don't
telling them. The police came to my house. I had
it like she missed herrizing goat the drug this time.
One time we're on the motorcycle. She flipped out and
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she grabbed my head with both hands and yankee it back.
We're going forty five miles an hour and sixteenth street. Jesus,
I have a big bike like Ultra Classic. Yeah. I
was able to stop the bike just in love. I
don't know what it was.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Fool You know, a person that I don't love can
piss me off, and I can take it really easy.
But a person that love that I love, if they
pissed me off, that's the worst kind of anger that
I've ever had, I'd say.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
You loved her my heart, soul, Yeah, everything, everything, And
Sophie was good about that. She'd helped. She was very supportive.
She was glad I did that. How did Dawn feel
(35:27):
about Sophie? Though jealous at first, but then it was
thankful that I had someone in my life. I wasn't alone,
but she knew that Sophia was trying to help me,
to make sure that I continue to take care of her.
I can't explain it. I'm sorry. Were you and your
wife separated whenever she had her stroke? No, been married
twenty eight years.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, raised a kid together. Yeah, did trips all over
the world and did all kinds of stuff together. She
was my best friend, little motorcycles together, voting together. All
of our friends were our friends together. We did things
with other couples.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
We cooked, we cleaned, we shopped, did everything. So we
didn't like to go shopping, so we didn't like to cook,
so we didn't like to clean. She didn't like to
go shopping, but she was going shopping clothing.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
She's going shopping with Kim, Yeah, clothing, groceries, Uh, cookings,
She's seemed like doing the duties around the house.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Shopping.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Kay, Why are the nif Why are their knife stuck
in the ground all around the outside of your.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
House, cutting linbs and trees and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah,
go look at them. They're all dented from cutting off
doing like a machete, cop and stuff off. It's in
good tape. I take care of everything I own. It's nice, helmets,
clean and good shape.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Take care of things. Whet to biot a second time.
How do you know my chanocks in good shape?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
And I thought was it downtown? Was it at my house?
Is that your house covered up? Because I keep it
cover Yeah? I had a cover up. Understand what you said?
Do you think you heard her?
Speaker 1 (37:31):
No?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Well, I mean I gotta tell you, it's a lot
easier to understand her being injured all of the things
that you.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Told me about how she was. Okay, I'm not talking
shit about a person that you love. But it doesn't
sound like she was a nice person. Okay, I get that.
Sold you telling me, in a moment of rage, I
killed her. I'm asking you it's possible, then, why wouldn't
(38:05):
I remember that?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Well?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I don't know, unless you're just creating a really good
alibi and feed me a line of shit. What alibi
is that that you can't remember? I mean, it's convenient,
It's very convenient.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I'm the proud suspect.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Oh I no, I think you did it. You're the
one telling me that. I wouldn't say you're yeah, I
think you did it. Just telling you this is just me.
I'd just like to hear it from you.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Would it make it easier for you if I tell
you whatever you want me to tell you.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
No, I don't want you to tell me what I
want you to tell you. I want you to tell
me the truth. I don't want you to tell me
anything that I want to hear. That's not the way
this works, because I don't at the end of the day,
I don't care. My job is to put the facts
on paper and then send it to my bosses and
let them do That's that's what my job is at
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the at the end of the day, when I'm done
with this.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
It makes the difference thing, I don't. It doesn't. It
doesn't matter what you tell me. Okay, facts speak for
the facts. They do they do? You have the wound
on my chest and I get her nails downe professionally
so she has long fingernails.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Okay, so my flesh should be under those fingernails, okay,
true or false?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
True?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
If she attacked you there, yeah, that's like when she's
bitten me before. Okay, or scratch me, am, I gonna
find her DNA or your fingernails under her fingernails. If
you said she scratched me, I said, if someone scratched
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you there, you told me you guys had a fight
on Wednesday morning after being up all night. That looks
those scratches there look like, you know, two or.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Three days old.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I mean, I've got a couple of things on my
arm here where I had the doctor burns some stuff off,
and they're a little.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Bit older, so they look a little more healed than those,
you know, and that's been about a week. I'm just stupid.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I really think that, you know, I think you could
help yourself out a whole lot here when it comes
to the courts if you remember and told them the truth.
I don't want you to tell me anything that I
want to hear. I want you to tell what happened.
(40:45):
That's a lot one. And I gotta tell you if
you're really hurting the way that you say you are,
telling the truth is going to make you feel a
whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
It will. I just want to die.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Well, that's well, that's why you're baker acted. But that
doesn't make you crazy. That means suicidal, means you're depressed.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
I don't want to go in a paper sack somewhere
on this concrete floor. I don't know what they do. Well,
that's that's that's why you're bank acted. You're gonna see,
you're gonna see.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Medical professionals that are gonna help you become not depressed
and not soup. And that wasn't my decision to bake
act you. That was a doctor's.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
So what did they find in my stomach? I don't know.
I don't see medical records. Why do I not walk?
I don't know for two days going on three days?
No balance?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
You think so many poisons you So what you're saying, no,
is that how poison works. Poison could be drugs, could
be anything. Anything that's not natural to your body is poison.
And if somebody else gives it to you, I consider
it poison. If they'd give it to you with a
hill intent. It's kind of what it sounds like you
(42:13):
were saying. What was in my stomach. Wife at my walk.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
So if you would tell me to take things, I
would calm down and go to sleep. Yeah, I did
whatever she said, she'd tell you to take anything. When
she said she was gonna fuck Mike, she didn't say
it like that. You did it to be nasty and
just speak what does she Well, you just told me
a few months ago. She did say. She said it
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with hate, and she says, I fucking hate you. You
have never loved you. You're you're you're crazy, you're you're
you're insane. Well that's that's what I just said.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I mean, I'm just not saying it with the emotion,
But you're not saying it with emotion either.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
How did she say I'm drained? Yeah, tell me exactly
explained to me how she said. What's let me hear
what she sounded like. She said that she was through
with me, that she wants me out of the house,
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that she's gonna call the police and report that I'm
there and I'm not supposed to be there and she
doesn't need me anymore, doesn't want me. And she said
like that, I'm like, yeah, whatever, Pitch, let me move
on my way. I want she said to you. If
that's what she said, I wouldn't I that's that's just
that's emotionless. Is that how she said it to you.
I'm not kind of yell, dude. I've got no energy
(43:41):
for yelling. I'm not asking me to yell. But I
mean she said it with hate, okay, and.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Her eyes went big with little people's like she's doing
her PTSD thing when she gets upset.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
That's what do you do? They get really big And yeah,
she had bipolar schizophrenia. That's PTSD. She has bipole with
schizophrenia and took medications for She has eight different medications
that she takes. So she's got bipolar and PTSD. That's
what she told me. She's got some real problem. She's
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fine out of that. She's great, funny, great dancer, dressed nice.
It was fun with people who has the ability to
go and just take your car and go whenever they
want to go. The Cadillac keys are in the kitchen
drawer along with all the rest of the keys of
the cars. Okay, Sophie normally drove the Navigator. That's what
(44:36):
she liked. Okay, do you allow people to drive your Cadille?
Bill's driven it before, Mike's driven it before, Sophie's driven
it before. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Most people don't like driving it because it's an old
fogie car. Did they just come and get it with
with your professional without your permssion, with my permission? Well,
they would take without your permission, I don't think so. Okay,
did you want it to anybody this week?
Speaker 2 (45:10):
No, Sophie took the Navigator to go see the boys.
When's the last time you drove the Cadillac? Last week?
Didn't drive it any at all? This week? This week
is last week? Isn't this still this week? This is Saturday? Well,
this is Saturday, so this is still this week? This week?
What days? I sure? Did you drive it? I'm gone?
I went to Public's other day and picked up a
(45:31):
bunch of groceries first week morning early for anybody? Was
awake at seven? Okay, between seven and eight o'clock, bout
groceries and gassed it up. Was that between seven and eight? Yep?
And what day was that? I don't know what day
it is. When you're not going to work every day,
you don't have to worry about what day of the
week it is. Was it the day after you went
to Mike and or to Kim and Bill's house. You
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saw Kim and Bill on stevery day because Sophie insisted.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Okay, well, so so you went to Bill and Kim's
on Tuesday night. You and her stayed up all night
long because she was on a bend or whatever. You
stayed up on my own dancing. You had the fight
that morning and she told you she was gonna fuck Mike.
(46:19):
You don't remember anything after that, but then you do
remember going between seven and eight am one of those
mornings to publics before anybody.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Else got up, So it was prior to you going
to Kim and Bill's. Yeah, well, you've got the Kim
bills almost every day because Ken is Sophie's best friend.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Okay, how do you know nobody was up? Anybody see
you leave, and anybody see you come back that morning
when you went to publics to drive to publics too early?
Even Mike was still asleep. If Michae was there that day,
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 6 (46:50):
What.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Well, No, I'm trying to help you piece things together, okay, okay,
I'm trying to help you piece things together to give
me the truth about stuff, to get different loops and
waves to do no loops and weaves. I'm just trying
to give you. I'm trying to give you as much.
I'm reminding you what you told me. Yes, Okay, So.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Tuesday night, Kim and Bills. Almost every night Kim and Bills,
whether they're arguing.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Are arguing or Okay, well let me tell you this.
So Tuesday night, you go to Kim and Bills. On
Wednesday morning, she was supposed to go to shopping with Kim.
Kim has never talked to her since then.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Okay. So the morning after she went home, Kim texted
with her and Kim said, let's go. It's about eight
forty in the morning.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Kim said yeah, and then Kim got a text back
from Sophie that said I'll get ready and be right over.
And then Sophie never came back ever again. So that's
the morning that you were having to fight with her. Yes,
that he wasn't there. Okay, So around the same time,
if you stayed up all night and you're dancing and
(48:00):
she gets a message from the neighbor that says, hey,
let's go shopping and then she's never heard or seen
from again after that. But you're telling me it was
just you two in the house. That's two and two
equals just you two there and she hasn't been seen since.
So what happened to Sophie?
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Right? And she's gonna County Morgue right now? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, I know what happened to her eventually. I'm just
wanting to know what happened to her that morning that
you have conveniently forgotten.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
They just blocked from shock. Maybe maybe if you killed her,
would it be shocked you that bad? You ever kill anybody?
I think so? Yeah? I would. I don't know. People
kill everybody all that.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
I see people all the time sitting in this room
in that chair that have killed people and they haven't
forgot it.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
I mean, you tell me I'm not. I'm just telling
you the fact that I.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Warn Yes, sir, I'll give you a second, give me
a second, please, all right? Go on?
Speaker 2 (49:09):
You were talking guy, No.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
No, don't give me a second. Compose yourself. When do
you need to if you're thinking about stuff, I'm just
there to help you.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
I didn't want to go back to the Wiles. What's
in Wiles? When I went to jail. The last time
I went to jail, they put me in gem Pop
in a little pod where I was sleeping in a boat.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Oh, you're not going there this time. No, you know
you're a big rafton. You're going to the medical wing.
I won't go back to those pods.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Maybe eventually that you're going to the medical wing. Right now,
it's that sitting on a concrete bench with a paper
towl for you.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
I don't know. I don't. I don't know that. I
don't know. I've never worked in the jail. I have
no idea. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I don't
think so, I don't. I don't believe so. Pet your
one of the medical wing. So you're not going back
to Zimpop. Should I talk to an attorney? It's up
to you.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Looks like you got all the answers right there. Oh
I've got no answers. I got no answers. You got
no answers for anything I've asked you. I think you'll
feel better. It's gotta be heavy, it's gotta be have
(50:40):
v it's gotta be heavy on the heart, heavy on
the mind.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
But I think telling me about it, am I just
telling you? I'm telling him?
Speaker 4 (50:54):
Okay, telling us about it. Sorry, It's not like I
forget about It's not like I forget about him.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
You want me to. Oh, I like you. You're a
good guy. You've been straight up with me and you're
just the detective same thing but more aggressive. Don't tell
me my boss that. Please tell me impressive. I look
your shift the rabbit skull thing nice? Yeah, yeah, I'm
not trying to be lighthearted. No, that's why can I
(51:22):
tell you what I see? I know nothing about this case,
as I told you before, right, but I see when.
Speaker 10 (51:30):
The detectives asking you, serving questions, even about things that
happened a long time ago, your job, what you did,
how they've sold all these types of things.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Your memory is, this is what I'm picking up on.
Your memory is quick.
Speaker 10 (51:48):
But when it comes to this, is she want to
go around it? I think you're there, and I think
you know you know more than I do, okay, and
I think you want to but.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
You're just not sure. And the thing is that he's
trying to get to you. Is he said it twice?
I don't know that you. I know you heard it,
but did you hear it?
Speaker 10 (52:14):
Is this could possibly help you in the long run
when it comes to the court system, so me not
knowing anything.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
It's just the little things I'm catching.
Speaker 10 (52:30):
When he asked you certain questions, you pop the answers
until he gets to the one what happened to Sophie?
Speaker 2 (52:37):
You pause. I think you want to say, can you
give me twenty minutes more? Tell you whatever you want?
Just fucking don't send me away yet. What I'm minutes?
Where I go away. I'll give you twenty minutes, but
I don't want you to trouble what you want what
I want? And this is from an outsider, mister Brown.
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What is one?
Speaker 6 (52:58):
One head of family? And the people in that fucking
fell box? There were animals. Two guys try to beat
the fuck out of each other the first night in
the guards door and you would come inside.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
They'd bring your trays in. They open the door and
they open another door to get the trays. There's a fight.
Speaker 11 (53:23):
They wait till it's over and then they come in. Okay,
we went to sleep Saturday, whatever night, it was all right.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
I had to sleep. She's stayed up all night and
I'm trying to sleep and she's dancing and pop around, dancing,
pop around in the bed.
Speaker 6 (53:44):
I'm trying to Syphie calm down, Syphie, calm down if
you did up in the morning, and she flipped again.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
I'm through. I'm through your You're nothing to me. I
don't love you. You're a piece of shit. You're a boy,
you're a mess, You're worthless. I tried to feed her,
got some meat out for her, and tried to get
her to eat something I don't want to eat. She
went to the backyard. She threw up, sat down and
(54:15):
started talking to you guys, you know some more some
of your stuff. I always had marijuana for a calmer down.
And she came at me, okay, and I fucking hit
it really hard. I went fucking nuts. Okay, yeah, not
(54:51):
a monster. Most I just went crazy. I hit her
(55:19):
again and again and again. I choked. Please, you don't know.
Speaker 6 (55:52):
She's still breathing. I took the knife up the kitchen
table where she's eating breakfast, the stabbed.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
Her with it.
Speaker 6 (56:02):
Where right, sure, okay? And I turned into machine. I
tracked her down the hallway to the bedroom.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
I cleaned the kitchen, I cleaned the kitchen.
Speaker 6 (56:36):
The hallway, put her bag on herhead, I put in
a wheelchair, put her in the car, were in the car.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
In the trunk, and I took all.
Speaker 6 (57:10):
The towels and all the bloody clothes and all the shit,
put it in the trunk with her, and I drove
downtown Saint Petersburg to the parking garage and then went
up to the sixth floor that bar. I don't want
(57:30):
to have this all I had to drink and this
bar and I started calling people.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
I called my pastor, I call friends, I call people
I've known all my life since childhood. I didn't tell
him I hurt anybody. I just told him I just
money in my life. It is over. Yeah. I don't
know how I got back home again. Well, I went
(57:59):
back home. I went back home a lot of monster.
I lost my fucking mind. I know you hear this
all the time from people. And if you don't think
I'm not crying right now, I'm trying. My soul is crying.
I I totally believe you. Now, totally believe me.
Speaker 12 (58:20):
I want to go, not yet, no, no, no, If
you're fine, take your time, I want to go. I
don't want to go back to those little selves. Can
you give me a few minutes. I need to step
(58:40):
out for a grounds. If you don't mind, what happens next,
I'll come back.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
You're gonna come back a little bit of time for
you to put me away? Yes, promise, yes, hell you want.
Let's start off. Let's start off with thirty minutes. Well,
well we'll come back.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
Okay, please? Are they coming back there? They just step
out from that. Just be a couple of minutes. Yeah,
a good top two strips already the way ahead of
the league. Yeah, it's districts. Just say they're just for
field training. So train the new officers.
Speaker 6 (59:18):
Do you want?
Speaker 2 (59:20):
So I just had a couple of little things though.
That's a real coach, not through. I'm not a monster. Believe,
I believe you. You're a good person. Thank you. I'm not.
(59:42):
This is not me, This is not who I was.
I swear. I believe she destroyed me. Allowed it class
my family, my job, my career, my friends, my all,
my life. Listen, sometimes we just get caught up and
(01:00:05):
it's just like he was saying.
Speaker 10 (01:00:06):
To you earlier, it's enough to piss people off, and
sometimes they do things that they wouldn't normally do.
Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
But it doesn't matter. Now I'm gonna die anyways, so
what's the difference. But I'm sorry, I want you to
know because you're a good person. I know you know,
I can feel it. I'm sorry, it's not enough. Oh
this is not who I am. And thank you for
this next, and thank you for letting me have some
time for their prison. We can rush earlier. Thank you.
(01:00:40):
Can I see a couple more questions? Whatever you want? Okay?
So on the morning of this happened, did.
Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Kim was sending all kinds of text messages to Sophie
and you send a text message back?
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
What did you send back? I told or that she's
tired for making up all night, asked Kim.
Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Once this is over, so tell you there's a lot
of times Sophie stays up all night and she knows
that because she sees me next day, I'm fucking exhausted,
not because I'm drinking and doing drugs with her, since
she's all night like old people do that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Right after a while, it's just did you wear out?
You wear out? Sure? And she takes seat and ghost
to sleep, but she'll sleep all day.
Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
And Kim wants to go out party with her or
do that, and so I told her, well, she took
a seat, post wants to get bad, I'll get her
up in an hour.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
And Kim got all pissed off. Yeah, just send that
message from your phone or from Sophie's phone, my phone.
I never used Sophie's phone. Where is the knife? Now?
Knowing that bucket was the rest of this up in
the bucket? There's a trash bag. Yeah, okay, yeah, lots
of knives and did knives for twenty eight years. You
(01:01:56):
read you have a lot of betdrug monks knife. No,
most of mine are uh, Columbia cutlery and some other stuff. Okay,
So if there's a black do you need it? Do
you need it? Yeah? I admit to you. What if
I did her? I know, we still we just like
to verify which tongs is the truth at this point,
Why would I lie about anything? I agree, but I
(01:02:17):
gonna ask, So where's her phone? I put her phone
in the microwave and I threw it away, threw it
away at the house, I went to Maria Manner, visited
my wife's sake a bider art. I'm doing a trash
can Maria Manner, Maria Manors, of course, Bob securious, Maria Manners.
(01:02:40):
What it's called. Okay, this is not who I am.
It doesn't matter. Now. I'm sorry. Guys. Oh that's an apology.
I'm sorry, God, I'm sorry. You haven't atually in forty
eight hours. No, that's my job. It's okay. I get
(01:03:02):
to retire one day. I'll don't let you cute me
or shot in checkt me or whatever it is. But
how can I do that? Quicker? Can I ask for
that penalty? It's on you in your attorney. I don't
have an attorney. You're gonna get one. I don't want one. Well,
I represent myself. That's how do you get out of this?
(01:03:23):
You don't? You just you gotta tell the judge stuff.
You gotta Yeah, if you don't want an attorney, but yeah,
I think that will point you one anyway. Don't do
what I did. Actually they do. I hate to admit that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
I'm trying to be selfish now, but I don't want
to go to a little concrete bench for the paper
or thing.
Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
The first time something went to jail, she has some
fear of her life.
Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
She said, you want to hurt herself, and they gave
her a paper sack on a concrete thing in the
cell with the window.
Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Well that's different then, you know, I don't know I
think you'll go to the medical wing. I I don't.
I don't know that. I can't.
Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
I don't wanna tell you know that's not gonna happen
because I I really don't know. I think you're you're
you're going in there from the hospitalism Baker.
Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
You know.
Speaker 13 (01:04:19):
I don't do back copts. Have a little bit more time, please, yeah, yeah, yeah,
thank you for the snakes he will.
Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
I'm not a bad person. I believe you just got
pushed too far and nice. Can you tell me what's
gonna happen to me? Now?
Speaker 10 (01:04:41):
Like he said, you don't go out, they'll put you
under medical watch because the Baker Act, Uh, how long
you been there?
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
We don't control that. They control that. The medical wing
will control that out there. I wish I could tell
you it's this in days the same reason that anyway,
is it? Yeah? But to be in there where her
where the paper a paper sacks all you get. She
got mad at me because I sent some money to
her sister in law because I didn't have no money
(01:05:13):
on the PayPal. You know, h have you seen my
home the outside only?
Speaker 14 (01:05:26):
It's a nice home, five hundred and twenty school foot
child and I flat screen TV and surround sound, six
person jacuzzi with a waterfall, nice big backyard.
Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Worked hard. I was honest twenty eight years her. Uh,
her brother's gonna kill me. Oh he doesn't manage. Are
we talking, Sophia, No, we're brother brother. Sophie's brother is
(01:06:09):
gonna kill me. You get ahold of one of us
friends in jail. He's been that out of jail for years.
All right, are you ready? Now you've listened. Now go
to your thing.
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