October 5, 2025 • 71 mins
The Interrogation Of A Deranged Marine Murderer Who Finally Speaks Out
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to your top true crime hob for the variety
in episodes you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Enjoy. He knows, we know that he's miserable forever.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Oh. Also a reminder for anyone in that situation that
sit down.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
And talk to you first time that we've met you,
the first time you've met us.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
So you know me trying to get just check to.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay, So your name is Dylan, correct? My name is
still correct? Okay? How old are you still? Okay? So
do you do you go by any other names?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Mm?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Hmm? What do you go by?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Shakes? I'm sorry, shakes shakes? Okay, that's like a nickname
from friends or.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yes? Okay? And Scott.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
What most people call you? I want to know what
what will make you comfortable? I'm talking with you and
you're talking.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
To for if you called me a Dylan's my name
that I liked it? Okay? Called perfect? My name is.
My name is Trenton. Sorry, sorry, sorry, you're good. My
name is Trenton. I'm I've.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I'm manic bipolar skins pre me and so I'm trying
to keep everything got it with one person not the
other six?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Do you do you take medications? Yes, Okay, have you
taken your medications today?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
When was the last time you took them? I took
We took to a quarter dose less night, uh than
six at six o'clock at night? Okay, so last night
(02:05):
at six o'clock the night. Just take a quarter of
does okay?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So just so just to work later. Yep, I understand
by last night you mean last night the fourth of July,
mid day, six o'clock on the fourth of July.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yes, okay. Do you know where you're at right now?
Sinking suspicion? What might that be?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I assume that I am in a jail of sorts
because I say it goes Okay, do.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
You know the city you're in? Seattle? Sorry? You live
in Seattle?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Okay? No Son Edmunds? Okay? Who do you live with
in Edmunds? Outs or something there? Okay? So I used
to work near Edmunds. Where where's your house.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
At two twenty fourth?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
There any second place? In Okay? I know where? I
know where that's at. So I'll usually working on like Garis.
It's part like frich Rich, I think. Yep, yep, yeah,
not too far from there? All right?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
So you see me have a pretty good grasp of time,
Like you understood that you took your medication on the
on the fourth at six p m. You know where
you live?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Huh? Sorry, so on the four you're good man? Please,
I'm sorry. What was the question? What brought you here today?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Well?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Did I get to do or something? They get in
a car accident? No, you didn't get in a car accident.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
But well, do you know where you're at right now?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The idea?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Okay, you're in the Bellevue Police Department. Okay, you're in
a holding cell in the bell wu Police Department in
an interview room with me, Detective Chabel and Detective Moriarty. Okay, okay,
do you know why you're sitting in a holding cell
in the Bellvue Police Department with two detectives?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I thought that, yes, yes, okay. Were you drinking earlier?
Oh yeah, I'm always drinking.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Technically okay, Well okay, were you drinking alcohol earlier?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yes? Okay? What were you drinking? What type of alcohol?
Of course? I? Okay? Yeah, they know how much core
is l Like you drank earlier?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Like three beers? Just three? Okay, so you drink some beers?
Did you drink any other type of alcohol.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, I had, I had. I'm sorry, it's it's really
frustrating for me.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
And yeah, I had a Manhattan and like three beers.
But like in like a long period of time, I
think I had dinner somewhere. I think, or we had
(05:40):
dinner somewhere and we had like an appetizer somewhere.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Well, yeah, so who do you remember talking to earlier
this season? One of my coworkers, your core. You remember
talking to a police officer earlier tonight? Okay, do you
remember what that conversation was about?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
So when I had a fire a firearm, did I
use the firearm at all?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Or potentially?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
That's what I'm hoping you can tell us.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well, I will done. I'm sorry. Give me a favor.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Can you focus on me for just a second, Just
just focus on me, look at me.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Okay. It's very difficult. I get that, But this is
really important.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I mean, this is quite possibly the most important moment.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Of your life. Doubtful up until this point.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Doubtful then three combat deployments, and then I married a
woman that cheated me. Okay, and that's sweet, awesome, great,
we don't worry. I married another one she promised you
would that she did too.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So Armie maybe Marines, thank you for your service. You're veru.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Thank you from one combat from for college, one combat
vetteran too another. I appreciate you signing that check. Okay, okay,
but I want you to know, Dylan, we've already talked
to a bunch of other people, Okay, so.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I know that you can focus and talk to me. No,
I can't. I can't. I can't.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I'm like, I'm I promise, I'm like trying so hard
to do that right now.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
This is it's very difficult.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
For me focus or do you just need a moment or.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Like, no, No, it's because of the timing and then
the fact that I don't have my medications.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So it's just I'm okay, I'm okay, And I can't
give you.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
A proper statement, Okay, I promise these I can do that, okay.
Because I wanted to talk to you guys earlier, it
took us something I wanted to talk to you about earlier.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It took us a while to get here. Okay, yep, Okay, sorry,
I'm right there with it.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
So can I give you a statement? I would love
it if you would give me your statement. I'd love
to give you a statement, but not necessarily about one thing,
but about another thing. About what about just man? I
give you a statement.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Shoot, sweet.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
After about a month of being at my house by
myself and the other people that I deal with on
a day to day basis in my head, and watching
both on video, Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook, more or less on
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my security cameras while I have two broken ribs and
the two in my chest in.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The hospital, I proceeded.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
To watch my wife fuck another guy on my security cameras.
Not in the bathroom or the bedroom or anything like that,
because that's fucked up. But you figure you put a
camera in your living room to watch after your dogs,
that seems pretty normal. I didn't have any access to
(10:01):
firearms or weapons or things like that. So we decided
that we would find something, and so I did, And
so I broke into my brother's apartment. I stole was safe.
I cut into it, I busted it open. I took
(10:21):
the gun from it with the ammunition without his approval,
much to his disapproval. I'm sure he's going to be
very mad about that.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
He doesn't know, or maybe he does now.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
But then I use that to murder my wife, I think, yeah, awesome, Yeah,
I murdered my life.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
And then the cool thing about that is is that.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
If you're going to look at us with a straight
face and smile and laugh and enjoy that, awesome, great
good for you, Like, don't fuck my wife while I'm
in the hospital dying after I've done three combat tourists
for America.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
And that's pretty much I feel about that. Your wife's name,
I don't have a wife. Okay, for the sake of argument,
what was your wife's name?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Doesn't matter? Okay, do you know who she was having
an affair with? Yes? What's his name? Doesn't matter? Okay?
Do you know how you got to w tonight? Oh?
You know what? Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
You'll already know the guy's name because he ran like
a scared little bitch from us earlier.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Okay, I'm sure he made a statement. Sorry sorry? Where
where did he run from?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
So?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So? So? Where did he run from?
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Down? Like down Main Street? They had done downe northeast
eighth towards the mall, I guess. Okay, where from though? From?
Where were you at when when he ran from you?
On the corner of the sidle. We're on the corner
(12:20):
of the sidle. Okay, okay, Belvy is a big city.
Helped me out here. We were.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
In front of a business, in front of a building
in an intersection, like, where were you at when you
saw this guy and he ran from.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
The corner northeast eighth right by us? Think because we
were there because we had to, uh.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Take care of business. In that sense, it didn't matter
either way. It was in fact, okay, when you're saying
take care of business, you and go and shoot your wife. Yeah,
I was talking about murdering my life. I murdered my
life with the gun and bullets. I don't know. I
know it's really bad. I just oh, and I'll sell
(13:13):
you one ons from me.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I can only watch my wife well for six days
straight in the hospital for so long, so it's.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
It's really tough times.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
And I'm not going to say that I understand that
because I don't understand that. But I can see how
that would make you upset to a point where you
I do something like that.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, it made us about what my partner and I
are trying to do is we're trying to understand all
of it. And I can see that. But we're trying
to figure out like everything right you get But you
just told us exactly what you did. I want to
ask you more pointed, detailed questions. Okay, how did you
(13:58):
get to Bellevue today? I have no idea. Did you
drive a car? One of us took us here? Do
you have a car? I do have a car? Okay,
it's not in Bellvie. We didn't take that. Okay, what
kind of car is it? What kind of car do
you have? Dylan has.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I have.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Black Corvette, showy Corvette. It's at my house. Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry,
I don't mean to. Sorry. I try to be there
to stop the show chicken kicking.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
No, No, we've we I left my car at home
this evening. Okay, how did you get to your brothers?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Huh? How did you get to your brothers?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
H I went, mm we broke into his house, his apartment.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
He lives with someone else, and I've broken like a
week and a half ago, and we stole it. Then, Okay,
so you stole the gun, like a week and a
half a gun. I stole it from my brother. That's
what I'm That's that's well. I wanted to I told
(15:39):
you guys earlier that me, Dylan, dyn't mean.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I stole a firearm out of my brother's apartment that
he lives with his girlfriend. I'd broken and stole it
a week and a half ago. Yeah, he had he
had a safe, and I stole the whole safe and
I took it home and then I cut into it
and broke it, and he didn't know that I had it.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Well, how did you not notice the safe missing? Because
he had it like buried in the bottom of his closet.
I broke through. Well, I didn't break through, but I
just jimmied the door of the apartment.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Okay, where does he live? Like most city, I have
no idea when you live in Edmunds, I think.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
It's it's somewhere in Woodville somewhere.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
How did you get there, drove gps. He gave me
his address one time, gave us, he gave us, gave
he gave me his address one time.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Okay, where's the safe now, Dylan, where's the safe now?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Oh, it's in my garage. I cut the door off
it with a metal saw. That's like the heck, say,
I cut the door right now and then I missed
it earlier.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Where do you live now?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
But your.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I just it's a two to two zero, so eighty
second place, West Edmunds, Washington eight zero two six.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
And then Dylan, you keep you keep okay, you keep
saying like us, do you live with anybody else? Okay,
who's us?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Like me? But just ask mm hmm, just as Okay,
does that show five went six six? When did you
(18:15):
get out of the When did you get out of
the hospital for the rid thing? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (18:31):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
It was mcuse me like jum like first or fourth
or something. It was like a month ago.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Okay, you a little war, and so you were in
the hospital at the be of June. Is that when
you saw the video?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, my security camera okay, and we saw or with
the guy. And is that what preempted you to go
and break into your brother's apartment? Yeah, yeah, for sure,
That's definitely the way I would do that stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
So you you got the gun for one reason and
one reason only you You went and sorry, sorry, you
went and got the gun with the intent to go
and murder your wife. Yes, how did you know where
to find the gun?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I just.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I just knew that he had one, so I couldn't
get one. So I had to get it from him
because someone had to get it. Yeah, I get yeah,
(20:05):
I guess that's I had to get it from and
I guess yeah, Okay, something that happened.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Where's the gun now?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I'm pretty sure I told the officers where they're gotten there,
made out of being but I definitely like was like
walking and tossed it like up and over to the
right somewhere nearby, after tossing my jacket up and.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Over to the right.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
So if you found the jacket one block forward or
one block back, and there's definitely a fire.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Okay, if you were to go out there, if we
were to go back out there, do you think you'd
be able to point out where it went? Our concern
is that it's in the area of public there, and
when we don't want anybody else getting we don't want that.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
We don't want that either.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
So do you think if we went back out there,
you'd be able to tell us or at least point
out where you think it is.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But you can do that, okay, I'm okay with that. Okay,
that's something that we may end up doing here in
just a little bit. If you're okay with that, Okay,
I appreciate it, man, I don't want anyone else. Well,
let me ask you something. You saw.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
The guy that your wife was having an affair with
as you were leaving, right, Why didn't you Why didn't
you shoot him?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I would rather lift with it fair enough.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Did you have any interaction with him? Did you have
a did you talk to him? Did you say anything
to him as you were leaving the the place?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I have no idea. I I I have a very like.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
A single pixel frame snapshot of that entire incident, and
I still don't know if that is something that I
saw like in a photo on my laptop, or if
it's something that is.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
A real thing. And I don't know, So I don't
I don't really know what. Yeah, I don't know what
what we did, or what had transpired, or where or when.
I don't really even know it or anything. Well, I.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I'm trying really hard to be whoever, just like if
you are having a hard time remembering, sorry don't know.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Can you look at me for a second. Yeah, I
think you know exactly what happened. And the reason I
believe that is because I've been doing this job for
a while and I think I know what happened. Also,
I just I don't know if you know what happened
(23:24):
because you you have been going back and forth from
this persona saying I wee Dylan, but you told me
in one fell swoop exactly what happened from A to B.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Tonight. Mh So whatever is going on? Mm hmm.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
You need to focus and then talk with us and
try really hard to do so. I promise I have
a friend very very hard to.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Give you.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
That's that I can't do right now. I've already given
you too full statements where we said that what we
had done was what it was.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So what about this?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I mean, I get it, and I promise, I promise,
Like I'm trying my best to be like super cooperative.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
But when you have you earlier is what it is.
So I don't under staid.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
All right, Well, there's a couple of pieces that are missing,
like how you got to bealvue h, how how you
got to value tonight?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
That that's a piece that's missing you.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
You gave me very specifics about what happened from you
getting the gun to ye to as you said, murdering
your wife, and you don't seem to remember how you
got got here.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I rode a motorcycle. Here, you rode a motorcycle. I did. Okay.
In fact, who's motorcycle? Where is it currently parked? We
put it? I put it in the W hotel. It's
parked at the W not the Western, the W or
(25:37):
the Western, the one that has one with the big
white W up on the side. It's uh, go left
the past, the little turn left, make a U turn.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Okay, turn right, there's valet. I couldn't valley because because
it's a motorcycle. Motorcycle, So we parked it down in
the parking garage.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You all our second floor. I think, So, what kind
of bike is it? What kind of motorcycle? We have?
The Aabaha start to fifty Yamaha?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I'm sorry, I have a Yamaha Star to fifty. Is
that like a enduro bike or looks like a little
road sort of thing?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
What color it's it's maroon sauce and it's registered to you. Sorry,
what it's your bike? It's in your name, yes, sir? Okay,
So I like, yes, that's how I got to Yes, okay, motorcycle, it's.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
My Well, you had a jacket on, right, I did okay, yes,
where was the gun? Huh? Like the gun? How are
you carrying the gun? Hipholster? Okay, so he'll carry hipholster?
Where's the holster? At? No idea? You think maybe you
(27:13):
could have thrown it with the gun most likely? Okay?
Is it a paddle holster or is it one that
goes on? Yeah? He just kind of slips over. Yeah,
Oh I got plastic looking kind of snian like a
Kai tax one. Yep. What's that with the gun? When
(27:33):
when you when you stole it from your brother?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Was that with it?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
So when we took it from where, we had a
holster and that's the one that was on it tonight. Okay, yeah,
he did have his ammunition also locked in his safe.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Two. But we, like I said, we broke into it.
What what? What caliber was it? Nine millimeter pistol? Quote?
Make I have no idea? Something trash. We with three
combat tours and you don't know what it was. It's
an ineffective munition system, so not not a well known
(28:14):
manufacturer like sig or Glock that you're aware of. If
it was a six hour look much more understood the
munition system.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Okay, you said it was inefficient. What makes it inefficient,
trash just's cheapest.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Okay, so do yeah, good.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Started listening, and I'm a little confused, so I'm gonna
ask you to kind of help me understand, okay, all right, So.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Just to summarize things.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Right, just a quick synopsis, we can do that.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you what I know,
and I'm gonna have you fill in the blank.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
So you saw the video of your wife that you
asked about your house, correct, all right, the video cameras,
those of those surveils.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Cameras, where are those in your house?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Attached?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Detached?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Are they still in your house?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Kind I'm not really sorry, Okay, they're they're they're inoperable.
I just just engaged the security system features instead, all right.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
So I'm clear on that, all right. And I'm clear
on how you got the gun. You got the gun
from your brother's department, okay. And then you had the
gun for a week.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
A little over a weekend, okay. And then I heard
that you mhm, sorry, so and then I heard that
you threw the gun.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
M hm.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
You threw the gun over the fence, up and over
the fence to the right. And you threw your jacket
up with us all the right.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yes, yes, if you found the jacket the gun, it's
nearby Samsu's direction, and I'm I'm compliant in the concept
of trying to help find that for you.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
So that's someone else thinking hurt.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
So I understand up to that point. Okay, So tell
me about Sam's tavern. Mm hmm, that's what I That's
what I need to know because that's where I'm confused.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
That's where my works.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Okay, So so from the moment where.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
So from the moment you got the Sam's tavern, Like,
walk me through what happened, because I don't I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
What happened at that point.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I don't know, but I'm pretty positive I shot my
wife and killed there.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Like, I'm pretty positive. I don't know, but yeah, I'm pretty.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Sure that that's what you Hey, Dylan, can you just
take a moment.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I'm trying to breathe through it, and it's a lot
happening work.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
So I'm gonna gonna leave you breathe for a second,
and then i'm gonna have you just kind of walking
through when you have the SAMs Sam's tavern.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
So take a moment. You probably have some other questions, but.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, h Sam's tavern.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
But I want to hear in your words kind of
what happened.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
That's kind of what I think happened. Maybe I don't
really know. I I know what I believe may have happened.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I don't know if what it transpired is exactly what
transferred specifically, And I don't know how much of it
is just getting.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Spooled through my head and like being built as.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
A story by everyone else, not by everyone else but you,
but by everyone else.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
But I'm pretty positive that we went there and we
shot our ex wife.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Okay, where was she in the restaurant?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Was she through the door? Was she.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Find the bar, like I don't know, I mean probably
being in the bars, the bartender bartend o.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Barunder she would probably be on the door. Okay.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Was she with somebody or was she by herself?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
She was, well the god she's sucking. Okay, she was
with the guy she was fucking.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
And she used to work there, the guy that she
was fucking. How why was he there?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Because he had been pursuing her for months and took
advantage of the fact that she was working lots of
hours and spent a lot of time there with her and.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah then yeah, then then they start kking up and
that's cool. And I tried to fix it with her.
We did like a like a whole bunch of really
nice stuff for her, and we we noticed that she
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was really upset and can visiting. We know she was
really that and distraught about a lot of things. Gonna
get it like like.
Speaker 9 (34:06):
Like on her and I.
Speaker 10 (34:14):
We have a lot of mental health issues between almost
and we always kind of like agreed that, you know,
whatever it was, we would always just talk about it
and work it out together. And we always did, and
they would sit down and have dinner and we'd.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Hey, like, I hate it when you steal all the
other crams fake example, Sorry, won't steal the other crams anymore,
the big issue. And we always did that four years
for four years, and then she started being weird, and
(34:57):
I even we we we asked her if she would
come home so we can go to dinner. And then
we said to him and because I was trying to
figure out because every one else was like what was
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really going on or why she would have talked to
us or figure it out because like, we always talked
about things.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Together and.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
That's how we all had conducted ourselves for years, and
it was okay and it was a system that worked.
But she didn't want to talk to us about it
because there wasn't an issue. She was just seeing someone else.
And yeah, so she was seeing someone else.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
And then then I really.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Notice, I really noticed what was really going on when
we were in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
When we brew herbs, and then and then yeah, then
I watched her.
Speaker 11 (36:32):
Do that.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, yeah, we watched her do that on a video
camera for like six days while we were in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Die. That's cool. That's great. Love that.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I think h more more and.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Less more and less. We were upset because she liked
us about it. It was slick here, see, And then
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we kind of sat down.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I sat to him and thought about it a lot,
and presented her with what I thought was a pretty
fucking good out.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
To say that when we were twenty six, we didn't
do anything stupid or dumb that would be ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Being that we're thirty four now, it seems more reasonable
that I'd like we conduct ourselves properly. So since she
was twenty six, I said, hey, when we were twenty six,
we didn't always make the best choices.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
And that being said, all I really want is that
I kind of gave her a list.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Of things that we wanted her to do, which was
like spend time with us, like not go out drinking
after work, like be a home like you know, don't
go like they don't go out with.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Your friends after work since they're the ones that have
you cheating on us.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
And on my part, I said that we would go
to PTSD support group classes and more mental health.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Care classes because I do all my health here through
we have.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
We go through doctors tried, tried, or they rotate them
a lot, but we I do my mental health care
through the VA. And so I said that I would
do mental health care and we would do PTSD support
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group classes.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
And then together.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
We would all go to a marriage counseling and we
would work through it. And I said that if we
could do that for a while, then I would like
stick with it.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
But and I said, I m m hmm.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
I said that if we could get through that almost together,
we would work on it together and that I would
just drop it and we could all move on together
and not worry about it because people are young and
stupid and they make mistakes, and mistakes are.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Okay, And she told me now and.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Then trying to hire a lawyer or something and scent
all this stuff and her lawyer and her and her parents,
oh and back and and forth, trying to.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Come up with ways to get out of this, purve
the emails, and well, what if we said he did this?
What if we say he did that, which is just
definition of character. And quite honestly, we didn't appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
We didn't like it at all that someone would, for
monetary reasons say well, this is what we're gonna lie
about to fund someone else over. And we didn't appreciate that, okay,
And so we made sure that that wasn't an issue anymore.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
All right, Well we'll Dylan. It sounds like you did
everything you.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Could do, tried to do everything in our power to
make it happen in the best way. I okay, we're
just gonna watch our wives get sucked on camera anymore.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
When was the last When was the last time you
talked to Hannah?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
So?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Who Hannah? Who Hannah? I don't know who that is?
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Talked we talked to your father? Okay? And then your
ex wife or the Anna Max.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Our ex name is next, okay, no like as other people.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
That's okay. Your dad is Stephen correct?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Okay, all right, yes, all right, our ex name that
is next? And a x X two x'es.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Okay. What's what's her last name?
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Pez?
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Pez?
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Okay? She goes by Max?
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Okay, what's your legal name?
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Anna?
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (42:44):
That's sounds where I got confused. I'm sorry, thanks for
that's When was the last time you talked to Max? Well,
I got here like about eleven PM, so today I'm
the next.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Today's Tuesday, Tuesday morning?
Speaker 2 (43:06):
What time is the currently in the morning? Yeah, you
got here at eleven talk to her about four hours ago?
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Okay? And how did you talk to her?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Oh? I don't think I talked to her or I
don't think that.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Or how did you guys communicate?
Speaker 2 (43:24):
I'm sorry, I don't think that we had any communication
interaction with her? Okay.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
So my question, because like I said, I'm trying to
figure this out. When was the last time you communicated
with Max?
Speaker 2 (43:36):
She hasn't talked to us and a month or something?
Speaker 9 (43:43):
Okay, Oh, but yesterday was our wedding anniversary and that
was a good time for everyone.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
We all really enjoyed that while she was sleeping on
another guy. That makes sense. Did she did something else
happened yesterday?
Speaker 12 (44:02):
That?
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Did something else happened yesterday? Hand handed? When I met
yes therday, we went that it was on the fourth
of July. That was the day.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
And we didn't have any interaction with her on the
fourth of July other than once it turned on the
fourth of July. We tilt her heavy anniversary and the
weinister and wished that she would not.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Better. We wish that she.
Speaker 13 (44:41):
Would just talk to those are spend time or something,
but she wouldn't and she hadn't talked to us.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
In a long time.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
And then.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
The only interaction that we have gotten from her was
her saying that we did all these like like oh
he like, like we treated her bad, or like we
did this or the other thing, and which is ridiculous
because anyone who knows me knows that I I absolutely
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I was in love with her when I married her,
Tom remarried We were married two years. Okay, of the
(45:54):
did you get served with any paperwork recently?
Speaker 1 (45:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (45:59):
No, you know, okay, we didn't do uh we didn't.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
We didn't get served with any on paperwork or so
you didn't find out recently that she had felt for
divorce or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Oh No, we had everything wide open on our on
our computer systems and cell phones.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Okay, she had left everything logged in on all of
our stuff, so I'm pretty much had gone through and
you know, we we noticed one thing, and then we
know another thing, and then and then just floodgate set
of her and her lawyers and her family lying to
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each other and trying to come up with ways to
get out of it, which is just embarrassing for them mostly.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
And really all they had to do was just like,
you know, not be a slut. And she had on
their husband. She could have just.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Told us, hey, I'm unhappy and I think I might
see someone else, and then we could have admicately agreed
to do so, Okay, I give her. She didn't choose
to do that, and then her family and her lawyers
were trying to find a way to make us in trouble.
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So I just, you know, figured we'd find a faster
route to take care.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Of all of it.
Speaker 14 (47:31):
So let me ask you this done, Let me ask
you this Sorry, yep, I understand getting upset because you
were cheated.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
On, and that can.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I guess xt days in a row on video camera
with two broken ribs in a collapse long what hospital
while I'm dying? What in? I'm just trying to understand
your your mindset, right? What makes you feel that killing
her was was justified action for what she had done
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to you?
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Well, because I don't have to deal with it, and
neither did anyone else. No, let's have to deal with
her anymore because what she was trying to do to
us was fuck us over anyway, at least this way.
I know that I can be fucked over and she's
not happy.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
Did she say anything before you shot her? Defino would
and care an, Okay, that's her, that's her. Was she
was she looking at you? Was she looking at Was
she facing you when you shout her?
Speaker 1 (48:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
I don't think we necessarily saw where she was spending
or we did.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
How do you find her?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
We're more confused as to how fucking Jeremy away we
should have. We should have been a better shot than that.
Who's Jeremy? Who's Jeremy? Oh, Jeremy's the guy. She's fucking
or Okay, well, what do you mean by a better
shot than that?
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Well, I don't know if we engaged him as a
target or not run. Confused as to how are why
we didn't? Well, I asked you earlier that very same question.
Speaker 5 (49:37):
Do you remember what you told me? Yeah, he was running,
and then you said you wanted him to live with it.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah. Oh that's yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
That makes more sense. Yeah, that's that's why I didn't engage.
At least now I have to live with it. It's
a lot better for us.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
I'd rather that he knows that we know that he's
miserable forever.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Also a reminder for anyone in that situation.
Speaker 15 (50:17):
That maybe maybe don't fucking marine's wife and look at
him in the face and smile at him and laugh
and I think it's funny because I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
We're We're a nice guy. We're nice guys, we are
we're genuine kind people.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
But we draw the line somewhere and if you're gonna
look me in the face while you're fucking my wife,
we're probably gonna take care of that situation at some point.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Okay, Well, why didn't you, I mean, why why shoot
her and not shoot him fuck her.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
So she my wife was fucking a guy in my
house while I had a collapse lung dying in a hospital.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I got that fucking her and now he gets to
live with it. So I'm sorry, and I'm trying to
be in you're You're being honest, and I appreciate that
manful as I can, but it's I get it.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Maybe you can't tote yourself around and be like, oh,
I love militarian, I respect this.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
And I support this, that and the other thing.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
When your husband suffers from mental illness and rather than
spend time with him, you go and fuck some other dude,
just like, maybe it's just us, but if you're that,
there's no way she is stupid enough to not think
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about the fact that we have three hundred and sixty
degrees worth of security cameras on property, okay, and that
the living room and kitchen are also under through instance,
the bedroom you have, not the bathroom, not the guest room.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Do you have this on like a web based thing?
Is it like a ring camera system? It's totally like
a ring camera system. Okay, So you view it on
your phone?
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, yeah, but I can't view it on my phone anymore,
because once she realized that we could see it, she
changed all.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
The past code stuff on her apps, so we can't
see that. What was the system? Do you remember the
name of it?
Speaker 5 (52:58):
It was r ring Yeah, okay, yeah, And you have
that on your on your phone still, even though she
changed the the past codes. You have that on your
on your phone still, even though she changed the past codes.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
I had the app on my phone. I can't use it. Okay. Well,
let me ask you this, what kind of phone do
you have? May have an Android's phone, okay or not it.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
We have a Google a Google phone okay, but it
runs an Android operating system?
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Okay? Is that a pixel? M hm? Would it be
all right if I got the pass code for that? Sorry? Okay, no,
I mean you've been cooperative to this point. It's the
reality is I'm I'm I'm going to have to get
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into the phone one where the other.
Speaker 5 (54:03):
It's just it's a little easier if you give us
the past code and we still have to do the
warrant process and go through all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
But bone shoves what's that? Bone shoves one of me?
Speaker 12 (54:15):
Okay, it's mostly just booty anyway, Okay, actually it's mostly
just pictures of my art, which is super cool.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
So yeah, mostly just pictures of our artwork and stuff
that we do for funds.
Speaker 5 (54:50):
Well, we're gonna have to take a break here in
a minute, but I do want to ask one more thing.
Are you still willing to take us out and try
and show us where that where you think the firearm
got tossed?
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Okay? I yes, I really like the.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Coffee on board water or something. But yeah, yeah, I
promise I will help it be quote, but I want
to help. I don't want to to get hurt. I
appreciate you don't want me to get hurt in the
first place.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
And I begged dre.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
You're doing When do you get a minute?
Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (55:34):
Sorry, you have no worries.
Speaker 11 (55:37):
I take your time, Okay start after this, I'm gonna
head over to Sam's tavern. How many rounds did you
fire when you're inside?
Speaker 4 (55:55):
Don't remember?
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Okay? Definitely? All right?
Speaker 4 (56:00):
Did she still have a house key your your place?
How does she get into your house when you were
in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (56:10):
She had she had a key? And then after I'm
sure we had been there for six days, then I h.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
I am.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
Seen everything, and then we decided to change the locks,
so we have different.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
We have different locks. We have different key locks. Now
our dad has on and our brother has on. So
she had.
Speaker 7 (57:00):
One, yes, okay, Yeah, we had effectively decided she wasn't
going to be living with this anymore because of that, and.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
One was up a month or more. Okay. Was this
kind of a right around the same time that you
got out of the hospital? Yeah, okay, yeah, after we
got out.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
Okay, why did you wait a week? When when you
have the gun, after you got the gun for your brother,
why did you wait a week?
Speaker 1 (57:30):
But honestly, we we we're having a hard time trying
to figure out when or how or when.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
Because one of us wanted to do like a lot
of stuff, and I told that we weren't going to
do that.
Speaker 1 (57:57):
So there's kind of a back and forth for a bit,
and then we decided we would wait until after.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
The fourth and then carry on after that. When's your
What day did you get married? Mm?
Speaker 1 (58:24):
Hmm?
Speaker 2 (58:25):
What day did you and Anna get married? The fourth
of July two thousand nineteen.
Speaker 4 (58:34):
Okay, any other weapons or guns?
Speaker 2 (58:41):
I didn't get married to and I got married to MAXX.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
You don't at your house any other guns or at
your house, any other guns or any other weapons there.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Oh no, sir, we're not allowed to have guns. Okay,
so you've said that a few times.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
Why aren't you allowed to have guns? So you've mentioned
a few times that you're not allowed to have guns,
But we have a fellay charge or something where I
will still have firearms?
Speaker 2 (59:10):
Was what was the seal it? What was a felony?
Oh some egregious bullshit from like fire six seven years ago. Okay,
but there was a criminal like there was a conviction
that you have. That's what prevented you from being able
to get a firearm totally. Okay, Sorry, you're good.
Speaker 4 (59:38):
Some people have like.
Speaker 1 (59:44):
Sorry, sorry, that's not what I meant to say. Yes,
I had a prior for me charge and it was
it was a domestic violence charge.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
However, it was.
Speaker 16 (01:00:04):
Something that I did not do, but I was I
was given a plea deal that if we said we
did what we did, which was to push someone.
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Out of our way, then I.
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Would be able to like maybe finally get out of
jail or some bullshit.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
We were being imprisoned by a chick who wouldn't let
us leave and we pushed past her with our backpack on.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
And we tried to walk home. But apparently that costs
you eight and a half months here in the great
state of Washington. And we thoroughly enjoyed all of that bullshit. Stop.
We did eight and a half months. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,
(01:01:08):
we did eight and a half months for that, and
we didn't like it and it was bad. Sorry, sorry
for you.
Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Mm hmm, you have two questions and then of us,
you've answered all my questions so far. Sorry, I can wait.
Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
That was just a lot of a lot of stuff.
It just it's just like keeps trigger propping it. There's
there's a lot. There's a lot happening right now. Normally
I'm a lot better keeping this together. Okay, all right, yeah, okay, okay,
(01:01:51):
all right. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
One of my last questions, how did you know Max
was working tonight? How did you know Max was working
tonight at the Sam's Tavern?
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
We're both bartenders. You know each other schedule?
Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Did you used to work there or now? Okay, so
you know her schedule, her schedule.
Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
I trained her when.
Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
When when we bartended Daniels, We trained her from no
job to a job in the industry. And we trained
her myself for ourself, but so we she's she was
(01:02:46):
a very very high caliber bartender because I ensured that
she would be. So that being said, we know that
we all work the same day. If we're the best bartenders,
we work next day for next day. It was kind
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of just like that, not like a shot in the dark,
but well more or less of just a standard noun.
Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I guess it's how we did.
Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Earlier. You mentioned like you commented a couple of times
like I don't want no one else to get hurt.
Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Yeah, we don't want we don't want anyone else to
get hurt.
Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
You waited till the end of closing before you went into.
Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Absolutely that is why we made it.
Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
How long do you how long we outside waiting before
you actually went in?
Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
We were outside for three three seconds? How long?
Speaker 16 (01:03:51):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
We we just walked in. We walked from where we
were to where we were and that was it.
Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
Okay, all right, gotcha last question.
Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Some people like they bear to their doors, they put
booby traps in their houses and stuff like that, you know,
for security.
Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
I have no booby traps or anything that would harm
or hurt anyone.
Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
In on the location where we live.
Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Nothing on the doors or any windows or booby traps, okay.
Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
All bullshit like that.
Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Yeah, any anyone who would approach anything of my property
would be safe.
Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
There's some issues. I appreciate that. Man. So you're a marine, correct,
What did you do with the Marines on radio operator
and martial arts and shorter? Okay, but uh, you know
I do Iraq.
Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
We did two campaigns in Flujah, eric and one campaign
in the province.
Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
All right, just checking.
Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
You get to take a break for a little bit.
I have to go out and make a phone call,
check in with my sergeant. We'll bring you back another water.
Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Do you need to use a restroom or anything? Okay,
you're good.
Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Okay, Well we'll see what we can do about getting
another water, and then we might go out and.
Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
See if we can try and find that gun. So
it's it's getting pretty close to the whole work time
for Yeah, it's it's three in the morning a little
after so yeah, I'm yeah, okay, yes, things that we
(01:06:00):
can do it all right, Yes, I would like to
do that.
Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
Anything else before we jump out real quick? Okay, it's
three eleven in the morning, zero three eleven hours. We're
just gonna take a quick break. All right, we'll be
back in a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Okay, so if you need anything, just hold we're gonna
be right outside. Really sorry, actually you know what, but no, no,
I think we are.
Speaker 5 (01:06:34):
I think just for the sake of it, we're going
to put you back in the holding cell so you
can kind of relax and take the handcuff off.
Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Okay, do you like gatory?
Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Have a gatorade? Go to gatorad?
Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Can I stay here?
Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
I'm having our time. Like where I was sitting, it
was making like my backwarks as really I'll be I'll
just sit here, I'll tell you What'll be very calm, relaxed.
I promise, I promise I will just sit here and
be relaxed.
Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Let me go and check with the jailer. Painful.
Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I don't know if the two of you saw me
well or else sold we were in there, but it
was like a lot I was trying really hard to
like cal him down, and I have a lot more
calm here.
Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
I can appreciate that. So let me go check with
the guy that's outside. Okay, you might under stand it
by first sec.
Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
I promise, all right, what is it about that the
like that particular rooms. It just isn't just not comfortable
or don't.
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
I don't know what it was. I was kicking a
lot when uh you know, we have like a like
a bat spasm thing and if it starts.
Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Going, then it keeps going and going and going and
going and going until it stops or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
It is. It's it's really I'm detrimental for us physically,
and I am I want to be able to function
normally to.
Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Help with the thing, because we want to help with
the thing because we don't want Any's.
Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
Something that you don't have the answers question. You don't
want to But afterwards, you called your dad? How did
that conversation go?
Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Pretty poor people, I mean, what do you say?
Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Yeah, okay, did you call did he call you them?
Was he able to help out with the situation? Like
talking to your dad? Did that?
Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Did that help you? Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
This is way after every thing had transpired, right right,
We just called him just because it might have been
one of the last times that we got to say
I to him or some ship like that.
Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
I don't know. He's a drill.
Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Sergeant in the army and retired or active.
Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Retired grandpas that the Wris, but I was the only one.
Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
M Did you tell yeah what happened? Did you actually
tell him? Why you call him?
Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Oh it seems Oh I just called him because I
just told him that we were in trouble, that we
wanted to talk.
Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
To mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
That's the last thing.
Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Mm hmm. Oh did you talk to anybody else? Who
is shoot that?
Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
It's just something all right?
Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
We asked you a lot of questions. Do you have
any questions for me? Dylan? Mm hmmm. We we asked
you like a ton of questions. Do you have any
questions for me?
Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Hm hm hm m hm hm. You wanna tap around
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to stay on cameras and.
Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
You guys, okay staying here?
Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
You go with that man, all right? Don't want to
just hanging out in the other room. You liting there? Okay? Uh?
The anything else I think is all over. Going to
WoT that listen. I'm gonna now you've listened. Now go
to your thing.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Enjoy. He knows, we know that he's miserable forever.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Oh. Also a reminder for anyone in that situation that
sit down.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
And talk to you first time that we've met you,
the first time you've met us.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
So you know me trying to get just check to.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay, So your name is Dylan, correct? My name is
still correct? Okay? How old are you still? Okay? So
do you do you go by any other names?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Mm?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Hmm? What do you go by?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Shakes? I'm sorry, shakes shakes? Okay, that's like a nickname
from friends or.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yes? Okay? And Scott.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
What most people call you? I want to know what
what will make you comfortable? I'm talking with you and
you're talking.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
To for if you called me a Dylan's my name
that I liked it? Okay? Called perfect? My name is.
My name is Trenton. Sorry, sorry, sorry, you're good. My
name is Trenton. I'm I've.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I'm manic bipolar skins pre me and so I'm trying
to keep everything got it with one person not the
other six?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Do you do you take medications? Yes, Okay, have you
taken your medications today?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
When was the last time you took them? I took
We took to a quarter dose less night, uh than
six at six o'clock at night? Okay, so last night
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at six o'clock the night. Just take a quarter of
does okay?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So just so just to work later. Yep, I understand
by last night you mean last night the fourth of July,
mid day, six o'clock on the fourth of July.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yes, okay. Do you know where you're at right now?
Sinking suspicion? What might that be?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I assume that I am in a jail of sorts
because I say it goes Okay, do.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
You know the city you're in? Seattle? Sorry? You live
in Seattle?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Okay? No Son Edmunds? Okay? Who do you live with
in Edmunds? Outs or something there? Okay? So I used
to work near Edmunds. Where where's your house.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
At two twenty fourth?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
There any second place? In Okay? I know where? I
know where that's at. So I'll usually working on like Garis.
It's part like frich Rich, I think. Yep, yep, yeah,
not too far from there? All right?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
So you see me have a pretty good grasp of time,
Like you understood that you took your medication on the
on the fourth at six p m. You know where
you live?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Huh? Sorry, so on the four you're good man? Please,
I'm sorry. What was the question? What brought you here today?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Well?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Did I get to do or something? They get in
a car accident? No, you didn't get in a car accident.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
But well, do you know where you're at right now?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The idea?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Okay, you're in the Bellevue Police Department. Okay, you're in
a holding cell in the bell wu Police Department in
an interview room with me, Detective Chabel and Detective Moriarty. Okay, okay,
do you know why you're sitting in a holding cell
in the Bellvue Police Department with two detectives?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I thought that, yes, yes, okay. Were you drinking earlier?
Oh yeah, I'm always drinking.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Technically okay, Well okay, were you drinking alcohol earlier?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yes? Okay? What were you drinking? What type of alcohol?
Of course? I? Okay? Yeah, they know how much core
is l Like you drank earlier?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Like three beers? Just three? Okay, so you drink some beers?
Did you drink any other type of alcohol.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, I had, I had. I'm sorry, it's it's really
frustrating for me.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
And yeah, I had a Manhattan and like three beers.
But like in like a long period of time, I
think I had dinner somewhere. I think, or we had
(05:40):
dinner somewhere and we had like an appetizer somewhere.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Well, yeah, so who do you remember talking to earlier
this season? One of my coworkers, your core. You remember
talking to a police officer earlier tonight? Okay, do you
remember what that conversation was about?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
So when I had a fire a firearm, did I
use the firearm at all?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Or potentially?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
That's what I'm hoping you can tell us.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well, I will done. I'm sorry. Give me a favor.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Can you focus on me for just a second, Just
just focus on me, look at me.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Okay. It's very difficult. I get that, But this is
really important.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I mean, this is quite possibly the most important moment.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Of your life. Doubtful up until this point.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Doubtful then three combat deployments, and then I married a
woman that cheated me. Okay, and that's sweet, awesome, great,
we don't worry. I married another one she promised you
would that she did too.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So Armie maybe Marines, thank you for your service. You're veru.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Thank you from one combat from for college, one combat
vetteran too another. I appreciate you signing that check. Okay, okay,
but I want you to know, Dylan, we've already talked
to a bunch of other people, Okay, so.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I know that you can focus and talk to me. No,
I can't. I can't. I can't.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I'm like, I'm I promise, I'm like trying so hard
to do that right now.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
This is it's very difficult.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
For me focus or do you just need a moment or.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Like, no, No, it's because of the timing and then
the fact that I don't have my medications.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So it's just I'm okay, I'm okay, And I can't
give you.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
A proper statement, Okay, I promise these I can do that, okay.
Because I wanted to talk to you guys earlier, it
took us something I wanted to talk to you about earlier.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It took us a while to get here. Okay, yep, Okay, sorry,
I'm right there with it.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
So can I give you a statement? I would love
it if you would give me your statement. I'd love
to give you a statement, but not necessarily about one thing,
but about another thing. About what about just man? I
give you a statement.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Shoot, sweet.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
After about a month of being at my house by
myself and the other people that I deal with on
a day to day basis in my head, and watching
both on video, Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook, more or less on
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my security cameras while I have two broken ribs and
the two in my chest in.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The hospital, I proceeded.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
To watch my wife fuck another guy on my security cameras.
Not in the bathroom or the bedroom or anything like that,
because that's fucked up. But you figure you put a
camera in your living room to watch after your dogs,
that seems pretty normal. I didn't have any access to
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firearms or weapons or things like that. So we decided
that we would find something, and so I did, And
so I broke into my brother's apartment. I stole was safe.
I cut into it, I busted it open. I took
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the gun from it with the ammunition without his approval,
much to his disapproval. I'm sure he's going to be
very mad about that.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
He doesn't know, or maybe he does now.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
But then I use that to murder my wife, I think, yeah, awesome, Yeah,
I murdered my life.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
And then the cool thing about that is is that.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
If you're going to look at us with a straight
face and smile and laugh and enjoy that, awesome, great
good for you, Like, don't fuck my wife while I'm
in the hospital dying after I've done three combat tourists
for America.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
And that's pretty much I feel about that. Your wife's name,
I don't have a wife. Okay, for the sake of argument,
what was your wife's name?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Doesn't matter? Okay, do you know who she was having
an affair with? Yes? What's his name? Doesn't matter? Okay?
Do you know how you got to w tonight? Oh?
You know what? Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
You'll already know the guy's name because he ran like
a scared little bitch from us earlier.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Okay, I'm sure he made a statement. Sorry sorry? Where
where did he run from?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
So?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So? So? Where did he run from?
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Down? Like down Main Street? They had done downe northeast
eighth towards the mall, I guess. Okay, where from though? From?
Where were you at when when he ran from you?
On the corner of the sidle. We're on the corner
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of the sidle. Okay, okay, Belvy is a big city.
Helped me out here. We were.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
In front of a business, in front of a building
in an intersection, like, where were you at when you
saw this guy and he ran from.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
The corner northeast eighth right by us? Think because we
were there because we had to, uh.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Take care of business. In that sense, it didn't matter
either way. It was in fact, okay, when you're saying
take care of business, you and go and shoot your wife. Yeah,
I was talking about murdering my life. I murdered my
life with the gun and bullets. I don't know. I
know it's really bad. I just oh, and I'll sell
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you one ons from me.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I can only watch my wife well for six days
straight in the hospital for so long, so it's.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
It's really tough times.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
And I'm not going to say that I understand that
because I don't understand that. But I can see how
that would make you upset to a point where you
I do something like that.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, it made us about what my partner and I
are trying to do is we're trying to understand all
of it. And I can see that. But we're trying
to figure out like everything right you get But you
just told us exactly what you did. I want to
ask you more pointed, detailed questions. Okay, how did you
(13:58):
get to Bellevue today? I have no idea. Did you
drive a car? One of us took us here? Do
you have a car? I do have a car? Okay,
it's not in Bellvie. We didn't take that. Okay, what
kind of car is it? What kind of car do
you have? Dylan has.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I have.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Black Corvette, showy Corvette. It's at my house. Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry,
I don't mean to. Sorry. I try to be there
to stop the show chicken kicking.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
No, No, we've we I left my car at home
this evening. Okay, how did you get to your brothers?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Huh? How did you get to your brothers?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
H I went, mm we broke into his house, his apartment.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
He lives with someone else, and I've broken like a
week and a half ago, and we stole it. Then, Okay,
so you stole the gun, like a week and a
half a gun. I stole it from my brother. That's
what I'm That's that's well. I wanted to I told
(15:39):
you guys earlier that me, Dylan, dyn't mean.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I stole a firearm out of my brother's apartment that
he lives with his girlfriend. I'd broken and stole it
a week and a half ago. Yeah, he had he
had a safe, and I stole the whole safe and
I took it home and then I cut into it
and broke it, and he didn't know that I had it.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Well, how did you not notice the safe missing? Because
he had it like buried in the bottom of his closet.
I broke through. Well, I didn't break through, but I
just jimmied the door of the apartment.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Okay, where does he live? Like most city, I have
no idea when you live in Edmunds, I think.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
It's it's somewhere in Woodville somewhere.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
How did you get there, drove gps. He gave me
his address one time, gave us, he gave us, gave
he gave me his address one time.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Okay, where's the safe now, Dylan, where's the safe now?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Oh, it's in my garage. I cut the door off
it with a metal saw. That's like the heck, say,
I cut the door right now and then I missed
it earlier.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Where do you live now?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
But your.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I just it's a two to two zero, so eighty
second place, West Edmunds, Washington eight zero two six.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
And then Dylan, you keep you keep okay, you keep
saying like us, do you live with anybody else? Okay,
who's us?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Like me? But just ask mm hmm, just as Okay,
does that show five went six six? When did you
(18:15):
get out of the When did you get out of
the hospital for the rid thing? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (18:31):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
It was mcuse me like jum like first or fourth
or something. It was like a month ago.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Okay, you a little war, and so you were in
the hospital at the be of June. Is that when
you saw the video?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, my security camera okay, and we saw or with
the guy. And is that what preempted you to go
and break into your brother's apartment? Yeah, yeah, for sure,
That's definitely the way I would do that stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
So you you got the gun for one reason and
one reason only you You went and sorry, sorry, you
went and got the gun with the intent to go
and murder your wife. Yes, how did you know where
to find the gun?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I just.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I just knew that he had one, so I couldn't
get one. So I had to get it from him
because someone had to get it. Yeah, I get yeah,
(20:05):
I guess that's I had to get it from and
I guess yeah, Okay, something that happened.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Where's the gun now?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I'm pretty sure I told the officers where they're gotten there,
made out of being but I definitely like was like
walking and tossed it like up and over to the
right somewhere nearby, after tossing my jacket up and.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Over to the right.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
So if you found the jacket one block forward or
one block back, and there's definitely a fire.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Okay, if you were to go out there, if we
were to go back out there, do you think you'd
be able to point out where it went? Our concern
is that it's in the area of public there, and
when we don't want anybody else getting we don't want that.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
We don't want that either.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
So do you think if we went back out there,
you'd be able to tell us or at least point
out where you think it is.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But you can do that, okay, I'm okay with that. Okay,
that's something that we may end up doing here in
just a little bit. If you're okay with that, Okay,
I appreciate it, man, I don't want anyone else. Well,
let me ask you something. You saw.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
The guy that your wife was having an affair with
as you were leaving, right, Why didn't you Why didn't
you shoot him?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I would rather lift with it fair enough.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Did you have any interaction with him? Did you have
a did you talk to him? Did you say anything
to him as you were leaving the the place?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I have no idea. I I I have a very like.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
A single pixel frame snapshot of that entire incident, and
I still don't know if that is something that I
saw like in a photo on my laptop, or if
it's something that is.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
A real thing. And I don't know, So I don't
I don't really know what. Yeah, I don't know what
what we did, or what had transpired, or where or when.
I don't really even know it or anything. Well, I.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I'm trying really hard to be whoever, just like if
you are having a hard time remembering, sorry don't know.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Can you look at me for a second. Yeah, I
think you know exactly what happened. And the reason I
believe that is because I've been doing this job for
a while and I think I know what happened. Also,
I just I don't know if you know what happened
(23:24):
because you you have been going back and forth from
this persona saying I wee Dylan, but you told me
in one fell swoop exactly what happened from A to B.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Tonight. Mh So whatever is going on? Mm hmm.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
You need to focus and then talk with us and
try really hard to do so. I promise I have
a friend very very hard to.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Give you.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
That's that I can't do right now. I've already given
you too full statements where we said that what we
had done was what it was.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So what about this?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I mean, I get it, and I promise, I promise,
Like I'm trying my best to be like super cooperative.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
But when you have you earlier is what it is.
So I don't under staid.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
All right, Well, there's a couple of pieces that are missing,
like how you got to bealvue h, how how you
got to value tonight?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
That that's a piece that's missing you.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
You gave me very specifics about what happened from you
getting the gun to ye to as you said, murdering
your wife, and you don't seem to remember how you
got got here.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I rode a motorcycle. Here, you rode a motorcycle. I did. Okay.
In fact, who's motorcycle? Where is it currently parked? We
put it? I put it in the W hotel. It's
parked at the W not the Western, the W or
(25:37):
the Western, the one that has one with the big
white W up on the side. It's uh, go left
the past, the little turn left, make a U turn.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Okay, turn right, there's valet. I couldn't valley because because
it's a motorcycle. Motorcycle, So we parked it down in
the parking garage.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You all our second floor. I think, So, what kind
of bike is it? What kind of motorcycle? We have?
The Aabaha start to fifty Yamaha?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I'm sorry, I have a Yamaha Star to fifty. Is
that like a enduro bike or looks like a little
road sort of thing?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
What color it's it's maroon sauce and it's registered to you. Sorry,
what it's your bike? It's in your name, yes, sir? Okay,
So I like, yes, that's how I got to Yes, okay, motorcycle, it's.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
My Well, you had a jacket on, right, I did okay, yes,
where was the gun? Huh? Like the gun? How are
you carrying the gun? Hipholster? Okay, so he'll carry hipholster?
Where's the holster? At? No idea? You think maybe you
(27:13):
could have thrown it with the gun most likely? Okay?
Is it a paddle holster or is it one that
goes on? Yeah? He just kind of slips over. Yeah,
Oh I got plastic looking kind of snian like a
Kai tax one. Yep. What's that with the gun? When
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when you when you stole it from your brother?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Was that with it?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
So when we took it from where, we had a
holster and that's the one that was on it tonight. Okay, yeah,
he did have his ammunition also locked in his safe.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Two. But we, like I said, we broke into it.
What what? What caliber was it? Nine millimeter pistol? Quote?
Make I have no idea? Something trash. We with three
combat tours and you don't know what it was. It's
an ineffective munition system, so not not a well known
(28:14):
manufacturer like sig or Glock that you're aware of. If
it was a six hour look much more understood the
munition system.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Okay, you said it was inefficient. What makes it inefficient,
trash just's cheapest.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Okay, so do yeah, good.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Started listening, and I'm a little confused, so I'm gonna
ask you to kind of help me understand, okay, all right, So.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Just to summarize things.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Right, just a quick synopsis, we can do that.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you what I know,
and I'm gonna have you fill in the blank.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
So you saw the video of your wife that you
asked about your house, correct, all right, the video cameras,
those of those surveils.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Cameras, where are those in your house?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Attached?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Detached?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Are they still in your house?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Kind I'm not really sorry, Okay, they're they're they're inoperable.
I just just engaged the security system features instead, all right.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
So I'm clear on that, all right. And I'm clear
on how you got the gun. You got the gun
from your brother's department, okay. And then you had the
gun for a week.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
A little over a weekend, okay. And then I heard
that you mhm, sorry, so and then I heard that
you threw the gun.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
M hm.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
You threw the gun over the fence, up and over
the fence to the right. And you threw your jacket
up with us all the right.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yes, yes, if you found the jacket the gun, it's
nearby Samsu's direction, and I'm I'm compliant in the concept
of trying to help find that for you.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
So that's someone else thinking hurt.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
So I understand up to that point. Okay, So tell
me about Sam's tavern. Mm hmm, that's what I That's
what I need to know because that's where I'm confused.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
That's where my works.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Okay, So so from the moment where.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
So from the moment you got the Sam's tavern, Like,
walk me through what happened, because I don't I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
What happened at that point.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I don't know, but I'm pretty positive I shot my
wife and killed there.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Like, I'm pretty positive. I don't know, but yeah, I'm pretty.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Sure that that's what you Hey, Dylan, can you just
take a moment.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I'm trying to breathe through it, and it's a lot
happening work.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
So I'm gonna gonna leave you breathe for a second,
and then i'm gonna have you just kind of walking
through when you have the SAMs Sam's tavern.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
So take a moment. You probably have some other questions, but.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, h Sam's tavern.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
But I want to hear in your words kind of
what happened.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
That's kind of what I think happened. Maybe I don't
really know. I I know what I believe may have happened.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I don't know if what it transpired is exactly what
transferred specifically, And I don't know how much of it
is just getting.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Spooled through my head and like being built as.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
A story by everyone else, not by everyone else but you,
but by everyone else.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
But I'm pretty positive that we went there and we
shot our ex wife.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Okay, where was she in the restaurant?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Was she through the door? Was she.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Find the bar, like I don't know, I mean probably
being in the bars, the bartender bartend o.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Barunder she would probably be on the door. Okay.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Was she with somebody or was she by herself?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
She was, well the god she's sucking. Okay, she was
with the guy she was fucking.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
And she used to work there, the guy that she
was fucking. How why was he there?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Because he had been pursuing her for months and took
advantage of the fact that she was working lots of
hours and spent a lot of time there with her and.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah then yeah, then then they start kking up and
that's cool. And I tried to fix it with her.
We did like a like a whole bunch of really
nice stuff for her, and we we noticed that she
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was really upset and can visiting. We know she was
really that and distraught about a lot of things. Gonna
get it like like.
Speaker 9 (34:06):
Like on her and I.
Speaker 10 (34:14):
We have a lot of mental health issues between almost
and we always kind of like agreed that, you know,
whatever it was, we would always just talk about it
and work it out together. And we always did, and
they would sit down and have dinner and we'd.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Hey, like, I hate it when you steal all the
other crams fake example, Sorry, won't steal the other crams anymore,
the big issue. And we always did that four years
for four years, and then she started being weird, and
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I even we we we asked her if she would
come home so we can go to dinner. And then
we said to him and because I was trying to
figure out because every one else was like what was
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really going on or why she would have talked to
us or figure it out because like, we always talked
about things.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Together and.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
That's how we all had conducted ourselves for years, and
it was okay and it was a system that worked.
But she didn't want to talk to us about it
because there wasn't an issue. She was just seeing someone else.
And yeah, so she was seeing someone else.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
And then then I really.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Notice, I really noticed what was really going on when
we were in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
When we brew herbs, and then and then yeah, then
I watched her.
Speaker 11 (36:32):
Do that.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, yeah, we watched her do that on a video
camera for like six days while we were in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Die. That's cool. That's great. Love that.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I think h more more and.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Less more and less. We were upset because she liked
us about it. It was slick here, see, And then
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we kind of sat down.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I sat to him and thought about it a lot,
and presented her with what I thought was a pretty
fucking good out.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
To say that when we were twenty six, we didn't
do anything stupid or dumb that would be ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Being that we're thirty four now, it seems more reasonable
that I'd like we conduct ourselves properly. So since she
was twenty six, I said, hey, when we were twenty six,
we didn't always make the best choices.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
And that being said, all I really want is that
I kind of gave her a list.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Of things that we wanted her to do, which was
like spend time with us, like not go out drinking
after work, like be a home like you know, don't
go like they don't go out with.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Your friends after work since they're the ones that have
you cheating on us.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
And on my part, I said that we would go
to PTSD support group classes and more mental health.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Care classes because I do all my health here through
we have.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
We go through doctors tried, tried, or they rotate them
a lot, but we I do my mental health care
through the VA. And so I said that I would
do mental health care and we would do PTSD support
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group classes.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
And then together.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
We would all go to a marriage counseling and we
would work through it. And I said that if we
could do that for a while, then I would like
stick with it.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
But and I said, I m m hmm.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
I said that if we could get through that almost together,
we would work on it together and that I would
just drop it and we could all move on together
and not worry about it because people are young and
stupid and they make mistakes, and mistakes are.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Okay, And she told me now and.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Then trying to hire a lawyer or something and scent
all this stuff and her lawyer and her and her parents,
oh and back and and forth, trying to.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Come up with ways to get out of this, purve
the emails, and well, what if we said he did this?
What if we say he did that, which is just
definition of character. And quite honestly, we didn't appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
We didn't like it at all that someone would, for
monetary reasons say well, this is what we're gonna lie
about to fund someone else over. And we didn't appreciate that, okay,
And so we made sure that that wasn't an issue anymore.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
All right, Well we'll Dylan. It sounds like you did
everything you.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Could do, tried to do everything in our power to
make it happen in the best way. I okay, we're
just gonna watch our wives get sucked on camera anymore.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
When was the last When was the last time you
talked to Hannah?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
So?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Who Hannah? Who Hannah? I don't know who that is?
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Talked we talked to your father? Okay? And then your
ex wife or the Anna Max.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Our ex name is next, okay, no like as other people.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
That's okay. Your dad is Stephen correct?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Okay, all right, yes, all right, our ex name that
is next? And a x X two x'es.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Okay. What's what's her last name?
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Pez?
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Pez?
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Okay? She goes by Max?
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Okay, what's your legal name?
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Anna?
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (42:44):
That's sounds where I got confused. I'm sorry, thanks for
that's When was the last time you talked to Max? Well,
I got here like about eleven PM, so today I'm
the next.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Today's Tuesday, Tuesday morning?
Speaker 2 (43:06):
What time is the currently in the morning? Yeah, you
got here at eleven talk to her about four hours ago?
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Okay? And how did you talk to her?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Oh? I don't think I talked to her or I
don't think that.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Or how did you guys communicate?
Speaker 2 (43:24):
I'm sorry, I don't think that we had any communication
interaction with her? Okay.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
So my question, because like I said, I'm trying to
figure this out. When was the last time you communicated
with Max?
Speaker 2 (43:36):
She hasn't talked to us and a month or something?
Speaker 9 (43:43):
Okay, Oh, but yesterday was our wedding anniversary and that
was a good time for everyone.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
We all really enjoyed that while she was sleeping on
another guy. That makes sense. Did she did something else
happened yesterday?
Speaker 12 (44:02):
That?
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Did something else happened yesterday? Hand handed? When I met
yes therday, we went that it was on the fourth
of July. That was the day.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
And we didn't have any interaction with her on the
fourth of July other than once it turned on the
fourth of July. We tilt her heavy anniversary and the
weinister and wished that she would not.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Better. We wish that she.
Speaker 13 (44:41):
Would just talk to those are spend time or something,
but she wouldn't and she hadn't talked to us.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
In a long time.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
And then.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
The only interaction that we have gotten from her was
her saying that we did all these like like oh
he like, like we treated her bad, or like we
did this or the other thing, and which is ridiculous
because anyone who knows me knows that I I absolutely
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I was in love with her when I married her,
Tom remarried We were married two years. Okay, of the
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did you get served with any paperwork recently?
Speaker 1 (45:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (45:59):
No, you know, okay, we didn't do uh we didn't.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
We didn't get served with any on paperwork or so
you didn't find out recently that she had felt for
divorce or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Oh No, we had everything wide open on our on
our computer systems and cell phones.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Okay, she had left everything logged in on all of
our stuff, so I'm pretty much had gone through and
you know, we we noticed one thing, and then we
know another thing, and then and then just floodgate set
of her and her lawyers and her family lying to
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each other and trying to come up with ways to
get out of it, which is just embarrassing for them mostly.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
And really all they had to do was just like,
you know, not be a slut. And she had on
their husband. She could have just.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Told us, hey, I'm unhappy and I think I might
see someone else, and then we could have admicately agreed
to do so, Okay, I give her. She didn't choose
to do that, and then her family and her lawyers
were trying to find a way to make us in trouble.
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So I just, you know, figured we'd find a faster
route to take care.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Of all of it.
Speaker 14 (47:31):
So let me ask you this done, Let me ask
you this Sorry, yep, I understand getting upset because you
were cheated.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
On, and that can.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I guess xt days in a row on video camera
with two broken ribs in a collapse long what hospital
while I'm dying? What in? I'm just trying to understand
your your mindset, right? What makes you feel that killing
her was was justified action for what she had done
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to you?
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Well, because I don't have to deal with it, and
neither did anyone else. No, let's have to deal with
her anymore because what she was trying to do to
us was fuck us over anyway, at least this way.
I know that I can be fucked over and she's
not happy.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
Did she say anything before you shot her? Defino would
and care an, Okay, that's her, that's her. Was she
was she looking at you? Was she looking at Was
she facing you when you shout her?
Speaker 1 (48:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
I don't think we necessarily saw where she was spending
or we did.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
How do you find her?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
We're more confused as to how fucking Jeremy away we
should have. We should have been a better shot than that.
Who's Jeremy? Who's Jeremy? Oh, Jeremy's the guy. She's fucking
or Okay, well, what do you mean by a better
shot than that?
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Well, I don't know if we engaged him as a
target or not run. Confused as to how are why
we didn't? Well, I asked you earlier that very same question.
Speaker 5 (49:37):
Do you remember what you told me? Yeah, he was running,
and then you said you wanted him to live with it.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah. Oh that's yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
That makes more sense. Yeah, that's that's why I didn't engage.
At least now I have to live with it. It's
a lot better for us.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
I'd rather that he knows that we know that he's
miserable forever.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Also a reminder for anyone in that situation.
Speaker 15 (50:17):
That maybe maybe don't fucking marine's wife and look at
him in the face and smile at him and laugh
and I think it's funny because I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
We're We're a nice guy. We're nice guys, we are
we're genuine kind people.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
But we draw the line somewhere and if you're gonna
look me in the face while you're fucking my wife,
we're probably gonna take care of that situation at some point.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Okay, Well, why didn't you, I mean, why why shoot
her and not shoot him fuck her.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
So she my wife was fucking a guy in my
house while I had a collapse lung dying in a hospital.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I got that fucking her and now he gets to
live with it. So I'm sorry, and I'm trying to
be in you're You're being honest, and I appreciate that
manful as I can, but it's I get it.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Maybe you can't tote yourself around and be like, oh,
I love militarian, I respect this.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
And I support this, that and the other thing.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
When your husband suffers from mental illness and rather than
spend time with him, you go and fuck some other dude,
just like, maybe it's just us, but if you're that,
there's no way she is stupid enough to not think
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about the fact that we have three hundred and sixty
degrees worth of security cameras on property, okay, and that
the living room and kitchen are also under through instance,
the bedroom you have, not the bathroom, not the guest room.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Do you have this on like a web based thing?
Is it like a ring camera system? It's totally like
a ring camera system. Okay, So you view it on
your phone?
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, yeah, but I can't view it on my phone anymore,
because once she realized that we could see it, she
changed all.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
The past code stuff on her apps, so we can't
see that. What was the system? Do you remember the
name of it?
Speaker 5 (52:58):
It was r ring Yeah, okay, yeah, And you have
that on your on your phone still, even though she
changed the the past codes. You have that on your
on your phone still, even though she changed the past codes.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
I had the app on my phone. I can't use it. Okay. Well,
let me ask you this, what kind of phone do
you have? May have an Android's phone, okay or not it.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
We have a Google a Google phone okay, but it
runs an Android operating system?
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Okay? Is that a pixel? M hm? Would it be
all right if I got the pass code for that? Sorry? Okay, no,
I mean you've been cooperative to this point. It's the
reality is I'm I'm I'm going to have to get
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into the phone one where the other.
Speaker 5 (54:03):
It's just it's a little easier if you give us
the past code and we still have to do the
warrant process and go through all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
But bone shoves what's that? Bone shoves one of me?
Speaker 12 (54:15):
Okay, it's mostly just booty anyway, Okay, actually it's mostly
just pictures of my art, which is super cool.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
So yeah, mostly just pictures of our artwork and stuff
that we do for funds.
Speaker 5 (54:50):
Well, we're gonna have to take a break here in
a minute, but I do want to ask one more thing.
Are you still willing to take us out and try
and show us where that where you think the firearm
got tossed?
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Okay? I yes, I really like the.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Coffee on board water or something. But yeah, yeah, I
promise I will help it be quote, but I want
to help. I don't want to to get hurt. I
appreciate you don't want me to get hurt in the
first place.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
And I begged dre.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
You're doing When do you get a minute?
Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (55:34):
Sorry, you have no worries.
Speaker 11 (55:37):
I take your time, Okay start after this, I'm gonna
head over to Sam's tavern. How many rounds did you
fire when you're inside?
Speaker 4 (55:55):
Don't remember?
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Okay? Definitely? All right?
Speaker 4 (56:00):
Did she still have a house key your your place?
How does she get into your house when you were
in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (56:10):
She had she had a key? And then after I'm
sure we had been there for six days, then I h.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
I am.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
Seen everything, and then we decided to change the locks,
so we have different.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
We have different locks. We have different key locks. Now
our dad has on and our brother has on. So
she had.
Speaker 7 (57:00):
One, yes, okay, Yeah, we had effectively decided she wasn't
going to be living with this anymore because of that, and.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
One was up a month or more. Okay. Was this
kind of a right around the same time that you
got out of the hospital? Yeah, okay, yeah, after we
got out.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
Okay, why did you wait a week? When when you
have the gun, after you got the gun for your brother,
why did you wait a week?
Speaker 1 (57:30):
But honestly, we we we're having a hard time trying
to figure out when or how or when.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
Because one of us wanted to do like a lot
of stuff, and I told that we weren't going to
do that.
Speaker 1 (57:57):
So there's kind of a back and forth for a bit,
and then we decided we would wait until after.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
The fourth and then carry on after that. When's your
What day did you get married? Mm?
Speaker 1 (58:24):
Hmm?
Speaker 2 (58:25):
What day did you and Anna get married? The fourth
of July two thousand nineteen.
Speaker 4 (58:34):
Okay, any other weapons or guns?
Speaker 2 (58:41):
I didn't get married to and I got married to MAXX.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
You don't at your house any other guns or at
your house, any other guns or any other weapons there.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Oh no, sir, we're not allowed to have guns. Okay,
so you've said that a few times.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
Why aren't you allowed to have guns? So you've mentioned
a few times that you're not allowed to have guns,
But we have a fellay charge or something where I
will still have firearms?
Speaker 2 (59:10):
Was what was the seal it? What was a felony?
Oh some egregious bullshit from like fire six seven years ago. Okay,
but there was a criminal like there was a conviction
that you have. That's what prevented you from being able
to get a firearm totally. Okay, Sorry, you're good.
Speaker 4 (59:38):
Some people have like.
Speaker 1 (59:44):
Sorry, sorry, that's not what I meant to say. Yes,
I had a prior for me charge and it was
it was a domestic violence charge.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
However, it was.
Speaker 16 (01:00:04):
Something that I did not do, but I was I
was given a plea deal that if we said we
did what we did, which was to push someone.
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Out of our way, then I.
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Would be able to like maybe finally get out of
jail or some bullshit.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
We were being imprisoned by a chick who wouldn't let
us leave and we pushed past her with our backpack on.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
And we tried to walk home. But apparently that costs
you eight and a half months here in the great
state of Washington. And we thoroughly enjoyed all of that bullshit. Stop.
We did eight and a half months. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,
(01:01:08):
we did eight and a half months for that, and
we didn't like it and it was bad. Sorry, sorry
for you.
Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Mm hmm, you have two questions and then of us,
you've answered all my questions so far. Sorry, I can wait.
Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
That was just a lot of a lot of stuff.
It just it's just like keeps trigger propping it. There's
there's a lot. There's a lot happening right now. Normally
I'm a lot better keeping this together. Okay, all right, yeah, okay, okay,
(01:01:51):
all right. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
One of my last questions, how did you know Max
was working tonight? How did you know Max was working
tonight at the Sam's Tavern?
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
We're both bartenders. You know each other schedule?
Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Did you used to work there or now? Okay, so
you know her schedule, her schedule.
Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
I trained her when.
Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
When when we bartended Daniels, We trained her from no
job to a job in the industry. And we trained
her myself for ourself, but so we she's she was
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a very very high caliber bartender because I ensured that
she would be. So that being said, we know that
we all work the same day. If we're the best bartenders,
we work next day for next day. It was kind
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of just like that, not like a shot in the dark,
but well more or less of just a standard noun.
Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I guess it's how we did.
Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Earlier. You mentioned like you commented a couple of times
like I don't want no one else to get hurt.
Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Yeah, we don't want we don't want anyone else to
get hurt.
Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
You waited till the end of closing before you went into.
Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Absolutely that is why we made it.
Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
How long do you how long we outside waiting before
you actually went in?
Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
We were outside for three three seconds? How long?
Speaker 16 (01:03:51):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
We we just walked in. We walked from where we
were to where we were and that was it.
Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
Okay, all right, gotcha last question.
Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Some people like they bear to their doors, they put
booby traps in their houses and stuff like that, you know,
for security.
Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
I have no booby traps or anything that would harm
or hurt anyone.
Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
In on the location where we live.
Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Nothing on the doors or any windows or booby traps, okay.
Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
All bullshit like that.
Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Yeah, any anyone who would approach anything of my property
would be safe.
Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
There's some issues. I appreciate that. Man. So you're a marine, correct,
What did you do with the Marines on radio operator
and martial arts and shorter? Okay, but uh, you know
I do Iraq.
Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
We did two campaigns in Flujah, eric and one campaign
in the province.
Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
All right, just checking.
Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
You get to take a break for a little bit.
I have to go out and make a phone call,
check in with my sergeant. We'll bring you back another water.
Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Do you need to use a restroom or anything? Okay,
you're good.
Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Okay, Well we'll see what we can do about getting
another water, and then we might go out and.
Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
See if we can try and find that gun. So
it's it's getting pretty close to the whole work time
for Yeah, it's it's three in the morning a little
after so yeah, I'm yeah, okay, yes, things that we
(01:06:00):
can do it all right, Yes, I would like to
do that.
Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
Anything else before we jump out real quick? Okay, it's
three eleven in the morning, zero three eleven hours. We're
just gonna take a quick break. All right, we'll be
back in a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Okay, so if you need anything, just hold we're gonna
be right outside. Really sorry, actually you know what, but no, no,
I think we are.
Speaker 5 (01:06:34):
I think just for the sake of it, we're going
to put you back in the holding cell so you
can kind of relax and take the handcuff off.
Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Okay, do you like gatory?
Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Have a gatorade? Go to gatorad?
Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Can I stay here?
Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
I'm having our time. Like where I was sitting, it
was making like my backwarks as really I'll be I'll
just sit here, I'll tell you What'll be very calm, relaxed.
I promise, I promise I will just sit here and
be relaxed.
Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Let me go and check with the jailer. Painful.
Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I don't know if the two of you saw me
well or else sold we were in there, but it
was like a lot I was trying really hard to
like cal him down, and I have a lot more
calm here.
Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
I can appreciate that. So let me go check with
the guy that's outside. Okay, you might under stand it
by first sec.
Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
I promise, all right, what is it about that the
like that particular rooms. It just isn't just not comfortable
or don't.
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
I don't know what it was. I was kicking a
lot when uh you know, we have like a like
a bat spasm thing and if it starts.
Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Going, then it keeps going and going and going and
going and going until it stops or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
It is. It's it's really I'm detrimental for us physically,
and I am I want to be able to function
normally to.
Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Help with the thing, because we want to help with
the thing because we don't want Any's.
Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
Something that you don't have the answers question. You don't
want to But afterwards, you called your dad? How did
that conversation go?
Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Pretty poor people, I mean, what do you say?
Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Yeah, okay, did you call did he call you them?
Was he able to help out with the situation? Like
talking to your dad? Did that?
Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Did that help you? Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
This is way after every thing had transpired, right right,
We just called him just because it might have been
one of the last times that we got to say
I to him or some ship like that.
Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
I don't know. He's a drill.
Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Sergeant in the army and retired or active.
Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Retired grandpas that the Wris, but I was the only one.
Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
M Did you tell yeah what happened? Did you actually
tell him? Why you call him?
Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Oh it seems Oh I just called him because I
just told him that we were in trouble, that we
wanted to talk.
Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
To mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
That's the last thing.
Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Mm hmm. Oh did you talk to anybody else? Who
is shoot that?
Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
It's just something all right?
Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
We asked you a lot of questions. Do you have
any questions for me? Dylan? Mm hmmm. We we asked
you like a ton of questions. Do you have any
questions for me?
Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Hm hm hm m hm hm. You wanna tap around
(01:10:48):
to stay on cameras and.
Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
You guys, okay staying here?
Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
You go with that man, all right? Don't want to
just hanging out in the other room. You liting there? Okay? Uh?
The anything else I think is all over. Going to
WoT that listen. I'm gonna now you've listened. Now go
to your thing.
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