October 27, 2025 • 53 mins
Thunda's Final Confession The Day He Took a Life
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to your Top through Crime hob for the variety
in episodes you're looking for. Enjoy all right, if you
can raise your right hand for me, I am a
law enforcement officer in the state of Florida, and I
have ability to take scorn testimony and reference to criminal offenses.
Do you swear for the testimony you're about to give
is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So help you God.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Okay, go ahead and put your hand down so you
know I have an open mind to things. I would
like to just start slow, try and speak up. I
know this is hard. I know it's an emotional situation,
and I know that what happens is, you know, kind
(00:43):
of traumatic. I'm not here to judge you. I'm just
here to get well and to get your side of
the story, okay, because I'm not going to make an
assumption of everything. I only have one version of events
in front of me. And you know, talking to CC
and talking to other folks, every person I talk to,
(01:05):
I get a little bit more because everybody's perception is different.
But the one thing that isn't different are the facts,
like the evidence. You know that includes a lot of
different things, physical evidence, fingerprints, DNA, no video. None of
those things are emotional things. People are emotional things. They
(01:27):
bring emotion to the situation. Okay, so just to start
off kind of simple, who is C C to you?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Well, we was just a friend that we want the sisters.
She told me she had the boyfriend. But I didn't
really look.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
At them, did you say sisters?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Sister? Sisters? Like I called it my sister sisting about it.
But we're not related, like god, So you're just real close,
real close. Okay, and everybody thought we was going together,
but it wasn't that type of partly like that.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You're not in a relationship with her.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I we built a relationship, so we called each other
sister and brothers.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
You know what I'm saying. But as the time, all
you know, how has time go on? You started feeling
emotions for that person?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
He caught feelings?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, okay, because my.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Mom died a couple months back for love and I
got out a divorce. Okay, so I'm looking for somebody
to be my backbone.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Okay, So how long have you guys been romantically involved?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Do you think I will want to say, at least
probably too much that we've been talking about three four
say good too much?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
So two months romantic in about three or four months
knowing each other, knowing each other. So the first couple
of months it was just friends. Yeah, got close brothers
sister type, and then you evolved and grew into romance.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
How would you explain your relationship to would you say
that you get along really well? Do you jog good?
Do you have a lot of fights? What's your relationship
like with her?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Well, we get into it every now and then, but
when we do, my best option is to try to
walk away because I'm not the type of person to
put my hands on the female, Okay, because I know
it gets dramatic, like and y'all are vible creatures, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So when she make me mad at what, I just
hang up on or I just walk away. Sometimes we'll tussle,
but I never hear what do.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
You mean tussle? Like that's different for everyone.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, Like grab her by hands and she'll try to
hit me or whatnot, and I'd be like, she'll lot
cause I don't want to go no fault in what
it is.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Okay, she probably had a little stretch on the hand
or whatnot. But it's probably trying to grab her.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Okay, have you ever have you ever hit her with
your hand in the face or anything like that, ever
pull on her hair? No, okay ever kind of grab
her shoulders and just kind of shake her a little bit, just.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Maybe a little bit, but it was I can't like.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
You wouldn't describe yourself as being violent towards her. I'd
just be like heated. Yeah, maybe does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Like trying to tell us stop, I don't want to
go no farther what it is. But once we did that,
I got like, well, like.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I said, I want to start from the beginning. I
don't want to lose anything. Are we starting on Saturday?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah? On Saturday?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
All right, we're Do you guys live together, by the way,
you and cc I don't have a house.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I stayed nowhere. We was like she was going motive
and I was jumping from pastage.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Usually together, not usually together.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
She probably picked me up or probably when we will
probably stay night with her, probably one time out the week,
but we usually together up Okay, Like I said, we
barely get along, like we got a relationship where we
like when she going her owng way Okay, you go
your way and not.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Going my way, so you can only do a few
hours at a time together. We're getting at it. You
guys kind of irritate each other. Do you think, I mean,
would you describe her to have a hot temper? Do
you think that you have a hot temper?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I will say that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Do you feel like you have good control of your temper?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I do until someone put their hands on me.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Okay, all right? So on Saturday? What was things like
between you and CC?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
On Saturday? We was going through it since Valentine's Day?
Why because it was something I was supposed to do
for it and I never did. And so we went
from talking real calm to I went from one of
my females houses to get my stuff, and all my stuff,
my thother stuff are in the back of her car.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So I told her to bring in my stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
She told me that she was gonna drop it off
at my grandmother's my mother's grave, or at the store.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Which store joelies?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Okay, So.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
As I got on the phone with her, I hung
up after she said that I was already in the area.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I was not with her.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Where were you at?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I was?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
What was I coming from I don't want to make
little laugh. I would come from my dead house by
that Michigan he stayed in the old folks home.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Okay, Where which way? So you were coming from over
by where I picked up today in the Renaissance. You're
coming from that way? And were you walking on the
side of the street where the school.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Is or walking on the side I always walked on
the sidewalk, So I'm walking along with on the sidewalk.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
What meaning was it on the side where the school
is or where Julias.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Is on the side of the school is, Okay, and.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You were walking towards shoemaker.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, ma'am, I walked that way.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
What time about do you think?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I can't really tell you?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Late afternoon, early afternoon it was.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It would be flaw all the stuff happened, okay, So
I walked that way that afternoon. He went to collect
his belongings near the sale phone. That's when I got
the call.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
You made it disabled palm.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I made it by sale Paul.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That's when I got the call saying, I'm won't put
your stuff at your mumbo grade side, or I will
take it to Joe last store. So that's when I
hung up when I turned around. So I turned around
and then I made it by joe Lyne. And that's
when I see her ride by me. Because I stopped
at the stop stacks. I seen him coming down the road.
I stopped at the stop sign, and I seen her
ride by.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Which stop sign by Joel store the street by the store,
and it's another ballad stop sign.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Okay. So were you walking towards Shoemaker away from Shoemaker
on Michigan at this point on the side of the road.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I was on the other side of the road by
I was on Michigan byther on the side of road
of joely Right.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
But were you walking towards.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I was walking back towards Michigan, okay. So when I
seen her.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Passed me, I was walking towards the store, okay, because
now I want my store. You're playing with my stuff
and now you're playing with my life.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Would were you aggravated at that point?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I was. I was a little aggravated a little.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
That makes sense. I would be too.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So as she's seen me, she tried to drive off.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well what were you wearing?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I've had on jeans, I had on light colored.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Clothes like long pant jeans or shorts light or dark?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They would light and I had on and I think white.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Shirt like this type of T shirt or like a
speater like a tank top. Okay, anything else.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I can remember. I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Okay, So you saw her she pulled off in the store.
At the store.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Seeing her pulled off in this store, I jumped in
her back seat.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Through the window.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Was the window open? So which side of the car
behind it?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Why did jump in?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Because she tried to leave me and I I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Trying to catch up with you bad this time. I
can't catch up with you.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And you wanted your stock, yes.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So now I call it with you. So now I'm
in your back seat. Now you have no choice but
to give me my stof. So she goes and yelling
and tell me ou to put my hands on on
and lot some to touch you. I just want my stof.
So she turns around and tried to hit me. So
I grabbed her hand while she's driving riving, So she
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turned around.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And tried to hit me. I grab her hand and
she pulled over. Where did she pull over at buy
ALC in front of the church?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Okay, So which side of the road on the school side,
or on the church side. On the school side, okay,
so on the south side of the road on Michigan, Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So what she pulled over we wanted to still had
her hands because now she got money in her hands.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm trying to get a couple of dollars out of hend.
So she ain't got I can get my stuff I need.
So you get this money now?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Was she still sitting in the front seat?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Still sitting in the front seat of the car. So,
but this time, wasn't some dude she was talking to
walking down sidewalk.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Let me ask you a quick question. When you said
that she had money in her hand, did you asked
her at any point for money?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah? I did.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I said, okay, so you don't want to give me my stuff,
you need to pay me or burning my snow. So
because I need more snow, I need more boxes and
old taint tops, I ain't got nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I'm spending like three days ago.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And how did you know she would be up there again?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
She called me and told me she was going to
drop my stuff off at my mother's grave site or
at Joe Last store.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And did she mention that she was going there for
any other reason.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Let me see none of that. She just said she
was going to drop my stuff off. So I went
up there.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Okay, So, okay, you're tussling in the car at this
point on the side of the road in front of
the school, in front of the school, and she's in
the front seat.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Still, she's still in the front seat, and.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
You're holding onto her hands, trying to keep her from
hitting you, and trying to take the money, basically because
you know she wasn't giving the stuff to you.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Don't give me nothing. What happened next from the front
she end up from the front seat to the back
seat to where I was. She jumped back there, or
jumped back door. I didn't grab her back that she
jumped back though.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
So by that time got about here. So I'm looking
around seeing all the cars passed by. I said, you
need to stop because it's gonna get worse FORO these
might pop up. So I don't want to go to
jail for nobody, and I don't want you.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
To go to jail. So therefore I I let it go.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
When I got the car, you got out of the car.
I got out of the which side of the card
you get out of think I got.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Out of the driver side the same side I jumped
in the window beside.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I got out so the back seat, THO still me
all right, So you open the door yourself and you
let yourself out, yes, ma'am? Okay? What happened next?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Once I get out of the car and gets around
in the car, her so called boyfriend comes up. I
tell him he has nothing to do with this. Before
before I get it out of my mouth, the man
hit me about.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Three four times?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
How did he hit you?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Like? Hit me? Jump? My face still swoll a little bit,
and I got knocked in the back of my head.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
He hit me like powerfully knocked me down and on
top of me, still hit me.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Once I got up, I spit out blood. He hit
me just that hard. Okay, I was dazed out literally.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
So did he say anything to you when he was
hitting you?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Once he hit me and still old me, he said,
I've been wanted you for a long time.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
He said, I've been wanting you for a while a
long time. And why did he say that?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I don't know. I still don't know to this day,
and it freaked me out.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
When somebody said they want you for a long time.
I mean they've been applotting on you for a long time.
Have they really want you?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Had there been any tension between you?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I don't notice, man, I only seen him when I
go to your last though, I don't know who from
Alan to Eve.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Okay, did you know him to be her boyfriend?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
That I did? But otherwise than that, No.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Was there any jealousy between the two of you about
because you know you you go with her and he
goes with her.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I don't have no jealous of Betwue or nothing like that.
Females or females, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
But she did like whenever you saw him around, there's
no looks, there's no words exchange, not don't.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Like I told I don't like to be around none
of that. If you're gonna go around your boyfriend, what
not going on, I don't. I don't want to be
around that. I don't want to don't break because my
mind is still fucked up from my mama passing and
me going through a divorce.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
So would that aggrevate you? It's a little bit Okay, understood,
you know what I'm saying. But in the times that
you had seen him before. No, there had never been
any tension, nothing at all. He's never said anything to you.
He never looked at your cross eye.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I mean he'll probably come up to me.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
He probably a little bit, but like, what does that mean,
probably try to touch with me a little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I'm back now.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
No, I don't because either you guys had either.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
We never we never did none of that, but never
mixed up before.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
He never came up to you and like said, hey
fuck you man or nothing like that. Yes he has, Okay,
well tell.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Me about it.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
He came up to me a couple of times like
I want to fight you cabb of week like man
meant nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But I don't know if you were playing or was
he serious.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Did you feel threatened?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I didn't things like that. I don't like, if you're
gonna say out your mouth, it's different. You're gonna say
it or do it.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
So he never You never took him seriously. You never
felt threatened by him before, Okay, because.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
There's so much other stuff in my mind, I don't
I'll be.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Trying to focus on myself on sevn years old.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
So the point is you were never threatened by him before.
He never felt like he was gonna hurt you before, Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
So he put his hands on me, nom knock me up,
and I spled out blood and I don't like to see.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
My own blood, okay. And the only thing that he
said to you was what.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
When he was hitting me? Yeah, I wanted you. I
been wanted you for a long time, okay. And that's
all he said. He said, That's all he said. That's
all I remember him saying.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
What happened next?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
After he hit me, got up, tumbled and I's split
out blood.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I turned around and asked him why he hit me.
He looked at me with his look and grab him
for something.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Well where was CEC?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Went?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
All that?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
With?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Top?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
She knelt, She drove off like after I got the
car and after he knocked like hitting me in his face,
and I got up. She got in the car after
I got up and walking off, she got in the
car left.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Did she split you guys up?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Did she stopped it because he had like he wanted
to kill me downing. I'm not gonna lie to you
like that. Yes, Like he didn't want to get from
over me. He didn't, he didn't want to do none
of that, she told him to stop, okay, and to
get off my brother, and he stopped, and he stopped okay.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So at that point was he walking away back across
the room.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
He stopped and stood.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Them on the same side of the road, the.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Same side until I got up and walked away and
started spinning our blood.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And then after he stood there on the same side
of the road, at what point did he start walking
to the other side?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
After I started to walk off, and when she left,
that's when he started going on the other side broad.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So it was done. It was okay. So what happened next?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
After that? I turned around? I asked him why did
he hit me?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Is this after he's walking away?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Maybe? Yeah, he walked away, but I stopped him and
asked him why did he hit me?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Like now, all right, so I'm gonna do this. So
this is where the car was on the side of
the road. This is the school over here, and I'm
assuming you're on the side of the road from where
that's you he was hitting you. There's there's the church
over here.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That's the car. I was on this side.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
You ru on this side of the car. So I'm
gonna got across that one out. You're on the backside
of the car, closer to the school, and he had
stopped and he's starting to walk away. About how far
there's markland? Okay, so this is just the grass. If
he's walking away from you across the other side of
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the street, where did he get to when you decided
to ask him that much?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
On the other side?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
So he's over here, yes, and so I'll put an Okay,
that's where he's standing clear across the road from you.
Did you walk a little closer to talk to him?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I walked on the other side. We get here. What
I have to say?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Where you walked across the street too?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I walked across the street.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So after he walked away, you walked over here next
to him? All right, I drew an arrow, So now
you're right here and go ahead pick up? And what
were you saying to him?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I walked across the street? I asked him, why do
you hit me? What was it for? He repeated out
of his mouth and looked at me.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I beg wanted you for a long time, you being
on my nerves, and then you want to reach him
for something.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I don't know what for?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Was he facing you completely?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
He's facing me completely, So stand up for the smell.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
If I'm if, I'm you and I'm standing here and
I'm asking you the question. I want you to stand
just like he was standing like show me how he
was standing. All right, so he's in What did he say?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
He like, I've been with you for a long time.
He's standing like like this, and show me what he did.
But ethel I asked him that he was like and
then he started walking towards me like he wanted to
come towards me and hit me again.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Okay, did you say anything else to him?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I didn't say nothing this to him when he as
he walked towards me, I didn't say nothing as to him.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, so what happened next?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Walk away?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
No, No, I didn't hear what you said.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Right now after you walked towards me.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
It was recooper, It was quations.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I don't understand. You're gonna you gotta walk me through
that part. I if you're if you're, If he's standing
there and he's walking towards you, yes, go ahead and
stand back up for me. In fact, we're gonna switch rolls.
I'm him, I'm walking towards you.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
What did you do, honest. Let me tell you true.
I I had a gun, I shout him.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Okay, where did you have a gun on you?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I on my side?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Okay, do you have like a whole sever was in
your pocket? It was most okay, on the right side,
on the right side. Okay. So as he's walking towards you,
you just did you just pull it out?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Or what the shirt in my hand? As I spit
the blood out, I had a shirt. I been had it.
I was taking That's when I got up off the ground.
I'm dizzy, I'm taking blood.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Then I spit the blood and I see when you
spit blood from each old on the ground. I did
not grab it, and I don't have coughed it back,
and everything I thought about.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
It, like even though you were telling yourself in your
mind to walk away, you cocked the gun and you
were you angry?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I was, I assume right.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I literally I went from one hundred to zero real quick,
like zero two hundred real quick like. So if think
on the other side, I actually wanted to hit me.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
So you had the gun out already, I've been edited out. Okay.
So that's the part that we didn't cover before. Okay,
go ahead and sit back down.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So I had that in the shirt.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Was the shirt covering the job? Okay?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
So I had the shirt like you couldn't see anything.
Then I wiped my face with the shirt in the game.
So I walked towards asked him, why did you get me?
And he's like under standing. He stood there like I've
been watching for a long time. He walked towards man.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I felt through.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Okay, And when he walked towards you, I know this
is the hard part. Did you just raise the gun up?
What did you do next?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I raised it up. The first shot missed him. It
was like amy for his head. The next one call
him in the chest?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Okay, where did it hit him in the chest? If
you wanna point on yourself, it's uh. I'm outside, I've
seen it and.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Hit him marning the chest. I don't know where the
other ones hit him at. So I turned around that room,
don't see him.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
How many times did you fire at him?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
A gun? Old? Six shocks? I literally emptied the whole clip.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
What kind of gun is it?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
It's something I'm mistaken. I think it was a a
nah No three eight?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
What color.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Black?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Okay, where's the gun?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Now as I I got in fear, I can't even
tell you I lost it. I it might be in
the water somewhere.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
What water, cause that's how I took off. I threw
it like where the patto at the little lake.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And topato the ditch.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I got rid of it, and you threw it in there?
I got rid of it.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Did you throw it in there?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I got rid of it? Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Okay, So I'm gonna see if you're willing, I'll drive
you out there if you'll show me about where you
tossed it, because I'll tell you this, that little ditch
area does dry up and I don't need a child
going over there finding that gun. You feel what I'm saying, okay?
And what happened happened. We can't change it. And I
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think it's important to not leave a gun out there.
You don't even know if it hit the water or not.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I don't even know where it went because I threw it.
I just do it when I was running.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
But you're telling me the truth, that's where you threw it, yes,
And are you willing to show me where?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I will really show you, well, but I'm not. I
don't know if when the water and the bushes over there.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, okay, and that's even more important. So like a
kid could be cutting through there, anybody could be cutting
through there and pick it up if especially if it
didn't go on the water. So that's important to me. Okay,
all right, So there's a couple of things I want
to kind of go over with you, because, again, in.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
The process of the thing going on, the reason why
I called my sister told everybody that I wanted to
a little saying I lost my phone.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
You lost your phone.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I lost my phone.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
He aimed and fired bullets cracked three. Did you lose
your phone at the incident? Okay? Do you know about
where you lost it at? Okay? Well, I have a
couple of things I want to show you, and I
just want to ask you. These aren't tricks. This is
going to be picture number two. Who is this? Yeah,
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who's bad? That's you? Thatt you on Saturday. So these
are the light shorts, the white shirt, the white shirt
you had on your head. You had a gray shirt
like that. Is that the same gray shirt you're wearing.
I'm gonna have to collect that, all right. So that's
you from the back as you're walking towards her car.
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We just zoomed in so you could see it. Okay,
And this is going to be photographed Number one? Is
that also you? Yes? Yes, all right? I just wanted
to make sure and verify this is that you agree
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that this is you? Okay? And what is that in
your back pocket right there? That's your phone? What kind
of phone is that?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Our phone? Six plus?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
iPhone six plus.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
That's your iPhone six plus right there. Now, this is
like a camouflage with an orange accent. That's the back
of the phone when you slip it around. What color
is it?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It's you got a book screen on it, you know,
I mean like the case.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
What color is it?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
The case is black ones with that orange details.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Is that accurate?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
So this phone right here that we found within probably
about out of your pocket, is that correct? Yes? What
is the phone number for that phone?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Two ten fo.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
All right?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Do you have any other telephones? That's the only cell phone?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
So I know that things escalated when you said things
went from zero to one hundred and you were angry.
I get it. There's a lot of eyes out there,
there's a lot of people watching it. Nobody wants to
get their ass beat. Part of my language, feel demeaned
or embarrassed, nobody does. I can sympathize with how you
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felt because I I'm human, You are human, no right, everybody.
Everybody has feelings. So I would have felt humiliated. Would
do you? Do you think it's fair to say that
you felt humiliated by that?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I would say that. And then again I was saying,
I feel my life. Do you?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Did you feel angry? You described it? I saw red
that what you said.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I was angry. I really did, and I.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Don't, but I believe that's what you're saying. And I
had to look at the whole picture again. And when
you were on this side of the road after she
after CC broke it up, he did stop. Is that correct?
And he walked to this side of the road. That's correct.
I want to make sure I'm being accurate. Okay, That's
why I'm repeating this to you. And you got up
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and you had the shirt in your hand, and you
said that you pulled the gun from your side and
had the shirt covering the gun.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Okay? So as you're walking across the street towards him
to ask him, hey man, why why did you punch me.
Why you hit me? You already had the gun out
at that point, okay. And he turned around and was
kind of an an asshole, I guess, and said, you know,
I've been wanting to do that for a long time
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while you get on my nerves and said that's pretty much.
And he was facing you at that point. If you
were so scared, I have to ask you the fight
had been done, why did you walk across the road
at that point to reinitiate contact with him.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I felt, like I said, if I wouldn't probably try
to defend myself, then I probably tried to stand my
ground with him, it would have happened again.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
So and I'm repeating this again so I make sure
I'm understanding accurately. Okay, you felt that if you didn't
stand up to him at that point, it would have
happened again, that he would be he would run all
over you anytime he saw you. Yes, okay, So you
felt that if I don't, if I basically take it
like you know, be a pussy about it, then he's
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going to come at me again if I let him
win this fight. Right now, I gotta handle this now
or he's gonna beat me up again down the road.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Do you think that that was the best idea? Okay, well, I.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Tidn't feel like I could have just walked away instead
of be back.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Do you believe that he would be alive today if
you would have walked away from that situation? You don't
think he would be Why not?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Because it's well put out this. There's a couple of
people in the world.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
If I tell them somebody put their hands on me
and they made me bleed, they're going to react.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Okay, I guess that's you answered my first question fairly,
So I'm gonna ask that same question, but in a
different way, because more specifically, do you think that if
you had not chosen to confront him again in that moment,
it would never have escalated again? Do you think he
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would still be alive today if you walked away from that?
And I'm if he died by somebody else's hands, that's
that has nothing to do with you. But if you
walked away, you were angry, you were seeing red. Was
it a good idea to walk across the street to
somebody that you just admitted you were afraid of? But
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at that moment it was an anger thing, and you
didn't want him to clown you. He just got done,
essentially kicking your ass in front of a whole bunch
of people. You had to go back over there and
stand up to him, because if he didn't, then it's
been established that he has the permission in the ways
of the streets. I guess is that correct. I'm not okay,
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I'm understanding what your thought process was. Okay, although I'm
not telling you you to be wrong to feel that way.
I have to really evaluate the law with the standard ground.
The threat to you at that point was gone. He
was walking away from you, and I'm trying. You were angry,
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just like you said, and you had every right to
be angry, and you admit, and I agree with you,
it was a bad choice to walk across the street
because you actually walked across the street at that point
with an unfair advantage being a gun. You couldn't beat
him with your fist. He's a big guy, and I'm
not that's not saying anything that is less of you
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at all, because I could be. I mean, I'm pretty tall,
and I I'm not going to claim to be very
strong or anything like that. But he's a big dude.
I wouldn't be picking a fight with that guy. It
wouldn't be a fair match, right, Okay, So you and
him not a fair match. And it does come across
a little bit that your anger got the best of
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you and you had that courage to go back and
confront him because you had a firearm. It's not it's
not a very good thing to say. I was scared
for my life, but then I initiated a confrontation again,
does that make sense. I'm just trying to explain to
you how I have to assess everything, and I'm being
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fair and honest with you because you've been honest with me.
So because at no point did he say anything to
you about having a gun. At no point did he
say anything to you about shooting you. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
He been telling me you're gonna kill me.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
You never told me that were going to kill me.
But when did that happen?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
When he was beating me up, he said he was
he tiding me and he was gonna kill me right
there on the girl. So as CC broke it, CC's
the one that stopped, like, saved my life. Understand if
I would have been still no, he would have literally,
I would have died right now.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
So when you and CEC were tussling in the car
and other people seen it, how do you think that
looked to everyone else.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Like I was probably beating up.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
You said that yourself to our CC in the car,
you said, we better stop. We don't want to get arrested. Okay,
So with that thought in your mind, looking back on everything,
did it occur to you that he may have thought
you were beating her ass in the car.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
That's what I'm saying. That's what I told her.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I got out of the car, said let's stop because
he's coming down the sidewalk and I don't want to
get into it with him, right so I'm gett out
in eave. So I got out of the car as
I realizing had my shirt, I walked around the car
try to get my shirt out of the car.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Was the gun in the shirt or is it still
on you? It was what the gun was in the car?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Where was it in the car when.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I grabbed the shirt, It was under the shirt. I
grabbed about the car.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Okay, where was the shirt in the car?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
The shirt was in the back seat.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
So when you saw you picked it up out the car.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yes, because I didn't have it on me. Then I
got it and I put it on me. Was I
grabbed it and put it on me and grabbed my shirt.
He I don't even know how close. I don't know
what she ran to me because he was a distance
away from my head, trying to grab my shirt to leave.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
By time grab my shirt turned around, I was hit.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You mean, grab your shirt, put the gun on, turn
around and walk and then he's there. You had enough
time to do all of that before he walked the
short he got up on me and hit me. Okay,
that's that seems like a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
That is. So once I turned around and got ready
to walk away, he hit me and I hit the ground.
Did he hit me again?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Hit me again?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Hit me agin By this time I'm covered my face
and my face down now getting me from the back
of the head.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I still got knocks come my head from he hit me,
and my whole egg was swollen.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Right, So now I'm thinking to myself, you really don't
kill me down she she jumped on me and stopped,
and he told him to start hitting me.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I understood, But you went through that part of the
story three times and until just now, you never said
that he told you he was going to kill you.
In fact, you were very clear about the fact that
he said.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I've been wanting to I'm still trying to remember the
things he said because he been beating on me. I
haven't been sleeping these last two days, trying to get
rid of this. No, I have not been in the hospital,
none of it. As he hit all, you know where
the blood came from. I probably have a blood clot
in my head or something.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
He spit it out, I split it out. Maybe you
have a cut in your mouth.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
No, no cutting my mouth.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
No, No, you don't have anything on your face.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Hit me from here until the back of my heads
and all. But I just seen No, I cover up
my face. I was hit down like this in the ground.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
But he hits you in your face and wh on
your face?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
He connected here? Okay, he connected here, and he also
connected over here.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Do you can you point to any bruises that you
have on your so?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I can't. But there's no no.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I'm gonna take pictures of everything, very close, very thorough pictures.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
That could Okay, I think them from here, but there's.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
No you're telling me that there's no bruises, there's really
no But he hit him from here, okay, and this
the whole it was odd about right here.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
It looks right now like it's it's pretty you know,
even it looks the same as the other one. But
I'm going to take close pictures to really capture it,
to make sure. Well, can you part your hair for
me right there and I can take a look to
see if there's a bump. I don't see anything, but
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I'm going to take pictures of all that took.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Over.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Okay. And you're sure that when you fired at him
that he was shot in the front of him. Each
shot was in the front of him, Okay, So you're
absolutely sure there's no possible way that there would be
a shot in back, you know.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Because he was facing me like he was coming to it.
Like I said, he was combing towards me like he
was grabbing for something. So I didn't even know because
I asked me asking him the question. He walking towards
me with his look on his face like he grabbed
for something, like he okay, I know I already.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Twelve what you want.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
The look on the face has nothing to do with
what his hands are doing, yes, so show me what
his hands were doing that.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Do you think he was grabbing for He had his
hand in his clocket like walking towards me.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Okay, so I was. I don't even at any point
didn't make a mention of a gun. You huh.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
He said I was gonna kill you right there on
that side. But as I walked towards him and asked
him why, he he said, I wanted to kill you.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
You said that I've been wanting you for a while.
You've been getting on my nurse before. So now he
said he wanted to kill you.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
You wanted me for a while. I'll be getting your nerves.
And as I walked towards him and asked him, why to.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Hit me in my face? Why to eat me like that?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
But you never said that before?
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I tell you, Okay, I'm remembering these things. Oh just now,
this stuff is just not coming back. Okay, I walked
up to him. That's the why he hit me. Shit,
I've been wanting for a long time. I really tried
to kill you. This word came out his mouth.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
So a guy that's never like had any issue, has
never like done anything to you before.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
He can't see felt I was out of place for
wrestling with his girlfriend and felt that he got to
save him.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
That's basically what it looked like to me.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Oh so you felt that he saw you.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
You see me jumping on He seen me.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Jump in the back of the car, right, He seen
me tousling with him, so he came down on the
sidewalk as I s like I said, as I seen
him walk down the sidewalk, I told him, let me
stop tussling with you. This ain't even that serious. I
would get out and I would walk away before anything
goes happen. Right, I'm flagging.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
What way you.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Okay? Do you really feel from the bottom of your
soul in thinking of everything? Because there's a life lost
at this point, you know what I mean. There's people
that love that man the way your family loves you,
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so they're suffering a loss. Nobody wins in this situation.
Do you agree with me? Okay, you're a human. I'm
not judging. That's not my role, but it is hard
for me to understand because at the point that you
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walked across that street towards him, you became the aggressor.
You became the one that initiated that contact with him,
and that was a bad idea, And you agree with
that that was a bad choice because you were seeing
red right.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
There's a lot of things in my mind.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yes, you were angry, you were embarrassed going with.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
The emotional instance about my divorce, and you have.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Other turmoil in your life. And you did make a
conscious effort before walking across that street to arm yourself
with a gun, so you knew that that gun was
going to cause trouble. So I want you to really
search your soul for a moment and truly think about
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the difference between protecting yourself because you absolutely had to
because in this situ situation, my dear you, you initiated
that contact again with him. He had walked away from you.
He might be an asshole. Okay, I'm not saying that
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he isn't, but I'm saying to you, and I'm asking you,
by everything that we've just discussed, I cannot honestly agree
that he put it to your life at that moment
because you reapproached him. And I want you to look
me in the eye because I'm being respectful and I'm
I'm telling you the truth from everything, and I've repeated
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it back to you to make sure I'm getting it right.
But for his family and for anybody else listening, it's
going to be hard for anybody to think that you
actually feel happy about it. You kind of do.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I could have walked away, but he could have been
me hill because.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
You live any life.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yes, but like I said, I felt it might seem
like I did.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I believe you felt threatened. But the difference between the
law in the streets. I understand holding your ground in
the streets. When someone swings on you in front of
an audience, you got to stand up and you either fight,
you'd fight it out like men. But the problem is
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you didn't go back and finish the fight. You went
back and you executed somebody. That wasn't a fair fight.
You didn't fight him fist to fist. You're entitled and
you're I understand why you were angry, but you walked
back to that man in a situation that was already heated.
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You're not afraid anymore because you knew what you knew
you had to go, and you know what, he never
said to you, anything about shooting you. The man whooped
your ass with his hands, and he walked away when
he was told to stop. He didn't come back and
tried to continue. He really did, but he did. That's
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not what you said.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
No, no, I'm telling you the man didn't. I done
been in so much stuff in my life. You got
your own life, forgot my life. I have been so
many things and stuff in my life.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
In this moment, in the pain that you have, and
if your mama were here, because I have my mom
of three, and if my son were sitting across from me,
I would say to my son, you made a bad decision.
You allowed your anger to get the best of you.
You're not a bad person, you're not an evil person,
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but you cannot remove the fact that the choice you
made to re engage him, you became the aggressor. At
that point, the threat was gone, he was walking away
from you, but you were pissed and you had a gun,
and that combination, that combination drove you across the street
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and started up with him again. But that's what happened.
You did shoot him. You didn't have to shoot him
because you didn't have to walk across that road. You
started that altercation right back up again. You can't say
that you're afraid for your life. And also say that
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you're walking towards the man if you're afraid, you're going
that way.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I went that way.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
You're walking away from him. He didn't follow after you
and said I'm going to make you come back here
and drag you back. He didn't do that. Remember, there's
people watching this, there's cameras out there, and I know
and I respect that you were scared in the moment
where you were and beat up, but it was done.
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Once that stopped. Your life is no longer in danger,
and you can't go back across the street and start
it back up again. After you have the upper the
secret upper hand of a gun hidden in a shirt,
and say that you're scared for your life. You can't
say that. You have to admit the truth, which is
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I was angry and in the streets where I live.
Your pride and the way you carry yourself is what
gets you by true or false.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
No, because I usually welcome some much situation, but you didn't.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
I'm not talking about what you usually do. You were upset,
you were sad. You have a lot of things that
have happened in your life, and all of that contributes
to it. But in that moment, you weren't scared for
your life. You were angry and you had a gun.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
I was scared. I asked, you was scared, and why
go back towards him.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
I didn't know what he was people were doing after that,
the man who beat me up and I speke blood.
I don't know what the man was capable.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Doing after that.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
What he was capable of doing was walking the funk away.
And that's what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
And the day was still young.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Dude, in that moment, he was not causing you a
threat of your life.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Man ready, he beat you up, he threatened.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
He threatened my life when you walked back across the
street with a gun.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
He threatened me before I even did anything. The man
beat me up, threatened me on the ground, and threatened
man as.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
I came towards him, as you came towards him, bingo.
As you came towards him, he pulled you off of
somebody he thought you were beating.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
He didn't pull me nowhere. I got off of her.
I made a decision to get out the car and
walk away. He hit me and knocked me out, and
I spent blood. Asking the man hit me in the face.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Let me ask you a questions. If you saw Rose reverse,
you see him in the back of the car, and
you think he's hitting on her.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
That's their business.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Has problem because you don't care about her like that.
You said that she's just a female.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Okay, lot of stuff for this girl. She could tell
you that, yes you have, but.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
You told me that did I I want you to
correct me if I'm wrong. Your soul will not be
at rest until you take accountability for the mistake that
you made. You already admitted it was not a good
idea to walk across that street when you're seeing red
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zero to one hundred pissed. It is not up to
me to decide whether or not you're guilty of a crime.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
That's not my role.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
My role is to look at the law to determine
if in that very second, you felt that your life
was going to end. And I'm explo why I can't
put together.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
That's why I'm trying to get you to get you
ain't getting.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
What did he do in that instant.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Fuel like this?
Speaker 3 (47:12):
I love my life and I love my friend. I
would never put myself in a situation. I'll try to
put myself a situation. I can't get out of. And
this is a situation I can't get out of.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Why do you say that, because it's already doing it
will happened.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
And like I said, now this man is lost or gone,
and now his fando memals I had to hurt all
works what I did.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
I think.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
But that makes a difference. The fact that you are
absolutely sorry for that, that's important. That's what I'm telling you.
You are human for getting angry. You are human for
feeling that you had to kind of retaliate. You're human
for those feelings. I'm telling you. Look at me for
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a second. I'm telling you you're human for that. But
I'm also being honest with you and telling you that
in the world, you can't You can't go up on
somebody hiding a gun under a shirt after and feeling
angry like that and expect there to be an outcome
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any different. You know what I'm saying. You're one of
the few people that's had the courage and the decency
to come in willingly and discuss this. I worked a
lot of cases. I respect you men, and there may
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be consequences to this because it's a life because if
it were you, it would be the same way you understand, right, okay,
And I'm I'm trying to think of anything that I'm
missing or not understanding. I know in the streets that
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it's different.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
I don't live the streets. I have a job and all,
yeah you do.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
But you said you live the same life that he does.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I lived, lived lived, Okay.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
I had a job and all I should went to
worked that day if all that little seeds that worked.
None is what happened only because I want my stuff.
This shit happened all because I'm trying to get my
stuff from CC. This stuff happened. Everything happened because of this.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Your anger started with her and it boiled else it did.
It did most to work, and you're human for that.
You're human for that. And I didn't write it down.
Can you please tell me what your number is again?
Fourteen forty two, ten, fourteen forty five. When you and
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I in the begin a thing talked about whether or
not you had been arrested before. What were you arrested for?
Speaker 2 (50:06):
That was seep the schools?
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Is that a felony? Did you did you take? What
was the outcome of that?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
I want to try deal program set two years approbation,
don't have to pay it off.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Okay, did you is that a felony on your record?
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Was it withheld or are you considered to be did
you register as a felon? Why did you have a
gun that day?
Speaker 2 (50:41):
I didn't full inside, I'm saying I didn't have it
on at all.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Well, where did the gun come from? Did it belong
to CC or you don't want to go there?
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Is it fair to say that it doesn't belong to her?
She doesn't carry it?
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Okay, So then the only person in the car was you?
Does the Is that a gun that you normally carry?
Why did you have it that day?
Speaker 3 (51:09):
That's what I'm saying. I i'd seen it in the
back seat and I grabbed it with shirt. I didn't
don't belong to me, stop mine.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I don't own it. I ain't pasting work none of that.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Did you borrow it?
Speaker 2 (51:21):
I didn't borrow it necessarily, That's what I'm saying. I
jumped in the back seat of the car. I don't
know what's back though.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
So when I jumped the back seat, I said, I'm
seeing clothes and all this other stuff back though.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
We said it was your stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
That was back. That's when it was. It was new
stuff backed up. My stuff was in her trunk, my clothes.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Oh, maybe I'm misunderstood. I'm glad you clarified.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yes, it was clothed and everything that was back to No,
I'm thinking to myself like, okay, you got new stuff
in it.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
It ain't nothing. This stuff's mine.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
It is warmer in here. So I'm gonna take a
minute before Yeah, just give me a minute. I'll be back.
I just want to see if there's anything else I
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need to go over. I do need to get a
camera as well, because i'd like to document your injuries, Okay,
because I want to be very very thorough with everything.
What do you think should happen at this point?
Speaker 2 (52:29):
I don't know what's what.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
If this for your family member that was that was killed,
same situation, What do you think should happen? Honestly? What
would you feel would be the correct outcome?
Speaker 2 (52:52):
I don't know until you reworking. Okay, okay, now you've live.
Now gold to your thing.
Welcome to your Top through Crime hob for the variety
in episodes you're looking for. Enjoy all right, if you
can raise your right hand for me, I am a
law enforcement officer in the state of Florida, and I
have ability to take scorn testimony and reference to criminal offenses.
Do you swear for the testimony you're about to give
is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So help you God.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Okay, go ahead and put your hand down so you
know I have an open mind to things. I would
like to just start slow, try and speak up. I
know this is hard. I know it's an emotional situation,
and I know that what happens is, you know, kind
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of traumatic. I'm not here to judge you. I'm just
here to get well and to get your side of
the story, okay, because I'm not going to make an
assumption of everything. I only have one version of events
in front of me. And you know, talking to CC
and talking to other folks, every person I talk to,
(01:05):
I get a little bit more because everybody's perception is different.
But the one thing that isn't different are the facts,
like the evidence. You know that includes a lot of
different things, physical evidence, fingerprints, DNA, no video. None of
those things are emotional things. People are emotional things. They
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bring emotion to the situation. Okay, so just to start
off kind of simple, who is C C to you?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Well, we was just a friend that we want the sisters.
She told me she had the boyfriend. But I didn't
really look.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
At them, did you say sisters?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Sister? Sisters? Like I called it my sister sisting about it.
But we're not related, like god, So you're just real close,
real close. Okay, and everybody thought we was going together,
but it wasn't that type of partly like that.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You're not in a relationship with her.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I we built a relationship, so we called each other
sister and brothers.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
You know what I'm saying. But as the time, all
you know, how has time go on? You started feeling
emotions for that person?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
He caught feelings?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, okay, because my.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Mom died a couple months back for love and I
got out a divorce. Okay, so I'm looking for somebody
to be my backbone.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Okay, So how long have you guys been romantically involved?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Do you think I will want to say, at least
probably too much that we've been talking about three four
say good too much?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
So two months romantic in about three or four months
knowing each other, knowing each other. So the first couple
of months it was just friends. Yeah, got close brothers
sister type, and then you evolved and grew into romance.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
How would you explain your relationship to would you say
that you get along really well? Do you jog good?
Do you have a lot of fights? What's your relationship
like with her?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Well, we get into it every now and then, but
when we do, my best option is to try to
walk away because I'm not the type of person to
put my hands on the female, Okay, because I know
it gets dramatic, like and y'all are vible creatures, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So when she make me mad at what, I just
hang up on or I just walk away. Sometimes we'll tussle,
but I never hear what do.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
You mean tussle? Like that's different for everyone.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, Like grab her by hands and she'll try to
hit me or whatnot, and I'd be like, she'll lot
cause I don't want to go no fault in what
it is.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Okay, she probably had a little stretch on the hand
or whatnot. But it's probably trying to grab her.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Okay, have you ever have you ever hit her with
your hand in the face or anything like that, ever
pull on her hair? No, okay ever kind of grab
her shoulders and just kind of shake her a little bit, just.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Maybe a little bit, but it was I can't like.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
You wouldn't describe yourself as being violent towards her. I'd
just be like heated. Yeah, maybe does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Like trying to tell us stop, I don't want to
go no farther what it is. But once we did that,
I got like, well, like.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I said, I want to start from the beginning. I
don't want to lose anything. Are we starting on Saturday?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah? On Saturday?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
All right, we're Do you guys live together, by the way,
you and cc I don't have a house.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I stayed nowhere. We was like she was going motive
and I was jumping from pastage.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Usually together, not usually together.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
She probably picked me up or probably when we will
probably stay night with her, probably one time out the week,
but we usually together up Okay, Like I said, we
barely get along, like we got a relationship where we
like when she going her owng way Okay, you go
your way and not.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Going my way, so you can only do a few
hours at a time together. We're getting at it. You
guys kind of irritate each other. Do you think, I mean,
would you describe her to have a hot temper? Do
you think that you have a hot temper?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I will say that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Do you feel like you have good control of your temper?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I do until someone put their hands on me.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Okay, all right? So on Saturday? What was things like
between you and CC?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
On Saturday? We was going through it since Valentine's Day?
Why because it was something I was supposed to do
for it and I never did. And so we went
from talking real calm to I went from one of
my females houses to get my stuff, and all my stuff,
my thother stuff are in the back of her car.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So I told her to bring in my stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
She told me that she was gonna drop it off
at my grandmother's my mother's grave, or at the store.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Which store joelies?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Okay, So.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
As I got on the phone with her, I hung
up after she said that I was already in the area.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I was not with her.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Where were you at?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I was?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
What was I coming from I don't want to make
little laugh. I would come from my dead house by
that Michigan he stayed in the old folks home.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Okay, Where which way? So you were coming from over
by where I picked up today in the Renaissance. You're
coming from that way? And were you walking on the
side of the street where the school.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Is or walking on the side I always walked on
the sidewalk, So I'm walking along with on the sidewalk.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
What meaning was it on the side where the school
is or where Julias.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Is on the side of the school is, Okay, and.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You were walking towards shoemaker.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, ma'am, I walked that way.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
What time about do you think?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I can't really tell you?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Late afternoon, early afternoon it was.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It would be flaw all the stuff happened, okay, So
I walked that way that afternoon. He went to collect
his belongings near the sale phone. That's when I got
the call.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
You made it disabled palm.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I made it by sale Paul.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That's when I got the call saying, I'm won't put
your stuff at your mumbo grade side, or I will
take it to Joe last store. So that's when I
hung up when I turned around. So I turned around
and then I made it by joe Lyne. And that's
when I see her ride by me. Because I stopped
at the stop stacks. I seen him coming down the road.
I stopped at the stop sign, and I seen her
ride by.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Which stop sign by Joel store the street by the store,
and it's another ballad stop sign.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Okay. So were you walking towards Shoemaker away from Shoemaker
on Michigan at this point on the side of the road.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I was on the other side of the road by
I was on Michigan byther on the side of road
of joely Right.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
But were you walking towards.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I was walking back towards Michigan, okay. So when I
seen her.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Passed me, I was walking towards the store, okay, because
now I want my store. You're playing with my stuff
and now you're playing with my life.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Would were you aggravated at that point?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I was. I was a little aggravated a little.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
That makes sense. I would be too.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So as she's seen me, she tried to drive off.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well what were you wearing?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I've had on jeans, I had on light colored.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Clothes like long pant jeans or shorts light or dark?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They would light and I had on and I think white.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Shirt like this type of T shirt or like a
speater like a tank top. Okay, anything else.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I can remember. I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Okay, So you saw her she pulled off in the store.
At the store.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Seeing her pulled off in this store, I jumped in
her back seat.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Through the window.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Was the window open? So which side of the car
behind it?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Why did jump in?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Because she tried to leave me and I I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Trying to catch up with you bad this time. I
can't catch up with you.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And you wanted your stock, yes.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So now I call it with you. So now I'm
in your back seat. Now you have no choice but
to give me my stof. So she goes and yelling
and tell me ou to put my hands on on
and lot some to touch you. I just want my stof.
So she turns around and tried to hit me. So
I grabbed her hand while she's driving riving, So she
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turned around.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And tried to hit me. I grab her hand and
she pulled over. Where did she pull over at buy
ALC in front of the church?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Okay, So which side of the road on the school side,
or on the church side. On the school side, okay,
so on the south side of the road on Michigan, Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So what she pulled over we wanted to still had
her hands because now she got money in her hands.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm trying to get a couple of dollars out of hend.
So she ain't got I can get my stuff I need.
So you get this money now?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Was she still sitting in the front seat?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Still sitting in the front seat of the car. So,
but this time, wasn't some dude she was talking to
walking down sidewalk.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Let me ask you a quick question. When you said
that she had money in her hand, did you asked
her at any point for money?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah? I did.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I said, okay, so you don't want to give me my stuff,
you need to pay me or burning my snow. So
because I need more snow, I need more boxes and
old taint tops, I ain't got nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I'm spending like three days ago.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And how did you know she would be up there again?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
She called me and told me she was going to
drop my stuff off at my mother's grave site or
at Joe Last store.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And did she mention that she was going there for
any other reason.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Let me see none of that. She just said she
was going to drop my stuff off. So I went
up there.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Okay, So, okay, you're tussling in the car at this
point on the side of the road in front of
the school, in front of the school, and she's in
the front seat.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Still, she's still in the front seat, and.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
You're holding onto her hands, trying to keep her from
hitting you, and trying to take the money, basically because
you know she wasn't giving the stuff to you.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Don't give me nothing. What happened next from the front
she end up from the front seat to the back
seat to where I was. She jumped back there, or
jumped back door. I didn't grab her back that she
jumped back though.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
So by that time got about here. So I'm looking
around seeing all the cars passed by. I said, you
need to stop because it's gonna get worse FORO these
might pop up. So I don't want to go to
jail for nobody, and I don't want you.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
To go to jail. So therefore I I let it go.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
When I got the car, you got out of the car.
I got out of the which side of the card
you get out of think I got.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Out of the driver side the same side I jumped
in the window beside.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I got out so the back seat, THO still me
all right, So you open the door yourself and you
let yourself out, yes, ma'am? Okay? What happened next?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Once I get out of the car and gets around
in the car, her so called boyfriend comes up. I
tell him he has nothing to do with this. Before
before I get it out of my mouth, the man
hit me about.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Three four times?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
How did he hit you?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Like? Hit me? Jump? My face still swoll a little bit,
and I got knocked in the back of my head.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
He hit me like powerfully knocked me down and on
top of me, still hit me.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Once I got up, I spit out blood. He hit
me just that hard. Okay, I was dazed out literally.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
So did he say anything to you when he was
hitting you?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Once he hit me and still old me, he said,
I've been wanted you for a long time.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
He said, I've been wanting you for a while a
long time. And why did he say that?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I don't know. I still don't know to this day,
and it freaked me out.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
When somebody said they want you for a long time.
I mean they've been applotting on you for a long time.
Have they really want you?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Had there been any tension between you?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I don't notice, man, I only seen him when I
go to your last though, I don't know who from
Alan to Eve.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Okay, did you know him to be her boyfriend?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
That I did? But otherwise than that, No.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Was there any jealousy between the two of you about
because you know you you go with her and he
goes with her.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I don't have no jealous of Betwue or nothing like that.
Females or females, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
But she did like whenever you saw him around, there's
no looks, there's no words exchange, not don't.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Like I told I don't like to be around none
of that. If you're gonna go around your boyfriend, what
not going on, I don't. I don't want to be
around that. I don't want to don't break because my
mind is still fucked up from my mama passing and
me going through a divorce.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
So would that aggrevate you? It's a little bit Okay, understood,
you know what I'm saying. But in the times that
you had seen him before. No, there had never been
any tension, nothing at all. He's never said anything to you.
He never looked at your cross eye.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I mean he'll probably come up to me.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
He probably a little bit, but like, what does that mean,
probably try to touch with me a little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I'm back now.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
No, I don't because either you guys had either.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
We never we never did none of that, but never
mixed up before.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
He never came up to you and like said, hey
fuck you man or nothing like that. Yes he has, Okay,
well tell.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Me about it.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
He came up to me a couple of times like
I want to fight you cabb of week like man
meant nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But I don't know if you were playing or was
he serious.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Did you feel threatened?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I didn't things like that. I don't like, if you're
gonna say out your mouth, it's different. You're gonna say
it or do it.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
So he never You never took him seriously. You never
felt threatened by him before, Okay, because.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
There's so much other stuff in my mind, I don't
I'll be.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Trying to focus on myself on sevn years old.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
So the point is you were never threatened by him before.
He never felt like he was gonna hurt you before, Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
So he put his hands on me, nom knock me up,
and I spled out blood and I don't like to see.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
My own blood, okay. And the only thing that he
said to you was what.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
When he was hitting me? Yeah, I wanted you. I
been wanted you for a long time, okay. And that's
all he said. He said, That's all he said. That's
all I remember him saying.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
What happened next?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
After he hit me, got up, tumbled and I's split
out blood.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I turned around and asked him why he hit me.
He looked at me with his look and grab him
for something.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Well where was CEC?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Went?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
All that?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
With?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Top?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
She knelt, She drove off like after I got the
car and after he knocked like hitting me in his face,
and I got up. She got in the car after
I got up and walking off, she got in the
car left.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Did she split you guys up?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Did she stopped it because he had like he wanted
to kill me downing. I'm not gonna lie to you
like that. Yes, Like he didn't want to get from
over me. He didn't, he didn't want to do none
of that, she told him to stop, okay, and to
get off my brother, and he stopped, and he stopped okay.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So at that point was he walking away back across
the room.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
He stopped and stood.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Them on the same side of the road, the.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Same side until I got up and walked away and
started spinning our blood.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And then after he stood there on the same side
of the road, at what point did he start walking
to the other side?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
After I started to walk off, and when she left,
that's when he started going on the other side broad.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So it was done. It was okay. So what happened next?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
After that? I turned around? I asked him why did
he hit me?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Is this after he's walking away?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Maybe? Yeah, he walked away, but I stopped him and
asked him why did he hit me?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Like now, all right, so I'm gonna do this. So
this is where the car was on the side of
the road. This is the school over here, and I'm
assuming you're on the side of the road from where
that's you he was hitting you. There's there's the church
over here.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That's the car. I was on this side.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
You ru on this side of the car. So I'm
gonna got across that one out. You're on the backside
of the car, closer to the school, and he had
stopped and he's starting to walk away. About how far
there's markland? Okay, so this is just the grass. If
he's walking away from you across the other side of
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the street, where did he get to when you decided
to ask him that much?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
On the other side?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
So he's over here, yes, and so I'll put an Okay,
that's where he's standing clear across the road from you.
Did you walk a little closer to talk to him?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I walked on the other side. We get here. What
I have to say?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Where you walked across the street too?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I walked across the street.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So after he walked away, you walked over here next
to him? All right, I drew an arrow, So now
you're right here and go ahead pick up? And what
were you saying to him?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I walked across the street? I asked him, why do
you hit me? What was it for? He repeated out
of his mouth and looked at me.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I beg wanted you for a long time, you being
on my nerves, and then you want to reach him
for something.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I don't know what for?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Was he facing you completely?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
He's facing me completely, So stand up for the smell.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
If I'm if, I'm you and I'm standing here and
I'm asking you the question. I want you to stand
just like he was standing like show me how he
was standing. All right, so he's in What did he say?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
He like, I've been with you for a long time.
He's standing like like this, and show me what he did.
But ethel I asked him that he was like and
then he started walking towards me like he wanted to
come towards me and hit me again.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Okay, did you say anything else to him?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I didn't say nothing this to him when he as
he walked towards me, I didn't say nothing as to him.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, so what happened next?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Walk away?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
No, No, I didn't hear what you said.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Right now after you walked towards me.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
It was recooper, It was quations.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I don't understand. You're gonna you gotta walk me through
that part. I if you're if you're, If he's standing
there and he's walking towards you, yes, go ahead and
stand back up for me. In fact, we're gonna switch rolls.
I'm him, I'm walking towards you.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
What did you do, honest. Let me tell you true.
I I had a gun, I shout him.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Okay, where did you have a gun on you?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I on my side?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Okay, do you have like a whole sever was in
your pocket? It was most okay, on the right side,
on the right side. Okay. So as he's walking towards you,
you just did you just pull it out?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Or what the shirt in my hand? As I spit
the blood out, I had a shirt. I been had it.
I was taking That's when I got up off the ground.
I'm dizzy, I'm taking blood.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Then I spit the blood and I see when you
spit blood from each old on the ground. I did
not grab it, and I don't have coughed it back,
and everything I thought about.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
It, like even though you were telling yourself in your
mind to walk away, you cocked the gun and you
were you angry?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I was, I assume right.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I literally I went from one hundred to zero real quick,
like zero two hundred real quick like. So if think
on the other side, I actually wanted to hit me.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
So you had the gun out already, I've been edited out. Okay.
So that's the part that we didn't cover before. Okay,
go ahead and sit back down.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So I had that in the shirt.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Was the shirt covering the job? Okay?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
So I had the shirt like you couldn't see anything.
Then I wiped my face with the shirt in the game.
So I walked towards asked him, why did you get me?
And he's like under standing. He stood there like I've
been watching for a long time. He walked towards man.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I felt through.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Okay, And when he walked towards you, I know this
is the hard part. Did you just raise the gun up?
What did you do next?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I raised it up. The first shot missed him. It
was like amy for his head. The next one call
him in the chest?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Okay, where did it hit him in the chest? If
you wanna point on yourself, it's uh. I'm outside, I've
seen it and.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Hit him marning the chest. I don't know where the
other ones hit him at. So I turned around that room,
don't see him.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
How many times did you fire at him?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
A gun? Old? Six shocks? I literally emptied the whole clip.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
What kind of gun is it?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
It's something I'm mistaken. I think it was a a
nah No three eight?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
What color.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Black?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Okay, where's the gun?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Now as I I got in fear, I can't even
tell you I lost it. I it might be in
the water somewhere.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
What water, cause that's how I took off. I threw
it like where the patto at the little lake.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And topato the ditch.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I got rid of it, and you threw it in there?
I got rid of it.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Did you throw it in there?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I got rid of it? Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Okay, So I'm gonna see if you're willing, I'll drive
you out there if you'll show me about where you
tossed it, because I'll tell you this, that little ditch
area does dry up and I don't need a child
going over there finding that gun. You feel what I'm saying, okay?
And what happened happened. We can't change it. And I
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think it's important to not leave a gun out there.
You don't even know if it hit the water or not.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I don't even know where it went because I threw it.
I just do it when I was running.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
But you're telling me the truth, that's where you threw it, yes,
And are you willing to show me where?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I will really show you, well, but I'm not. I
don't know if when the water and the bushes over there.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, okay, and that's even more important. So like a
kid could be cutting through there, anybody could be cutting
through there and pick it up if especially if it
didn't go on the water. So that's important to me. Okay,
all right, So there's a couple of things I want
to kind of go over with you, because, again, in.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
The process of the thing going on, the reason why
I called my sister told everybody that I wanted to
a little saying I lost my phone.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
You lost your phone.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I lost my phone.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
He aimed and fired bullets cracked three. Did you lose
your phone at the incident? Okay? Do you know about
where you lost it at? Okay? Well, I have a
couple of things I want to show you, and I
just want to ask you. These aren't tricks. This is
going to be picture number two. Who is this? Yeah,
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who's bad? That's you? Thatt you on Saturday. So these
are the light shorts, the white shirt, the white shirt
you had on your head. You had a gray shirt
like that. Is that the same gray shirt you're wearing.
I'm gonna have to collect that, all right. So that's
you from the back as you're walking towards her car.
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We just zoomed in so you could see it. Okay,
And this is going to be photographed Number one? Is
that also you? Yes? Yes, all right? I just wanted
to make sure and verify this is that you agree
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that this is you? Okay? And what is that in
your back pocket right there? That's your phone? What kind
of phone is that?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Our phone? Six plus?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
iPhone six plus.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
That's your iPhone six plus right there. Now, this is
like a camouflage with an orange accent. That's the back
of the phone when you slip it around. What color
is it?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It's you got a book screen on it, you know,
I mean like the case.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
What color is it?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
The case is black ones with that orange details.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Is that accurate?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
So this phone right here that we found within probably
about out of your pocket, is that correct? Yes? What
is the phone number for that phone?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Two ten fo.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
All right?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Do you have any other telephones? That's the only cell phone?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
So I know that things escalated when you said things
went from zero to one hundred and you were angry.
I get it. There's a lot of eyes out there,
there's a lot of people watching it. Nobody wants to
get their ass beat. Part of my language, feel demeaned
or embarrassed, nobody does. I can sympathize with how you
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felt because I I'm human, You are human, no right, everybody.
Everybody has feelings. So I would have felt humiliated. Would
do you? Do you think it's fair to say that
you felt humiliated by that?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I would say that. And then again I was saying,
I feel my life. Do you?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Did you feel angry? You described it? I saw red
that what you said.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I was angry. I really did, and I.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Don't, but I believe that's what you're saying. And I
had to look at the whole picture again. And when
you were on this side of the road after she
after CC broke it up, he did stop. Is that correct?
And he walked to this side of the road. That's correct.
I want to make sure I'm being accurate. Okay, That's
why I'm repeating this to you. And you got up
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and you had the shirt in your hand, and you
said that you pulled the gun from your side and
had the shirt covering the gun.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Okay? So as you're walking across the street towards him
to ask him, hey man, why why did you punch me.
Why you hit me? You already had the gun out
at that point, okay. And he turned around and was
kind of an an asshole, I guess, and said, you know,
I've been wanting to do that for a long time
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while you get on my nerves and said that's pretty much.
And he was facing you at that point. If you
were so scared, I have to ask you the fight
had been done, why did you walk across the road
at that point to reinitiate contact with him.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I felt, like I said, if I wouldn't probably try
to defend myself, then I probably tried to stand my
ground with him, it would have happened again.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
So and I'm repeating this again so I make sure
I'm understanding accurately. Okay, you felt that if you didn't
stand up to him at that point, it would have
happened again, that he would be he would run all
over you anytime he saw you. Yes, okay, So you
felt that if I don't, if I basically take it
like you know, be a pussy about it, then he's
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going to come at me again if I let him
win this fight. Right now, I gotta handle this now
or he's gonna beat me up again down the road.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Do you think that that was the best idea? Okay, well, I.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Tidn't feel like I could have just walked away instead
of be back.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Do you believe that he would be alive today if
you would have walked away from that situation? You don't
think he would be Why not?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Because it's well put out this. There's a couple of
people in the world.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
If I tell them somebody put their hands on me
and they made me bleed, they're going to react.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Okay, I guess that's you answered my first question fairly,
So I'm gonna ask that same question, but in a
different way, because more specifically, do you think that if
you had not chosen to confront him again in that moment,
it would never have escalated again? Do you think he
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would still be alive today if you walked away from that?
And I'm if he died by somebody else's hands, that's
that has nothing to do with you. But if you
walked away, you were angry, you were seeing red. Was
it a good idea to walk across the street to
somebody that you just admitted you were afraid of? But
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at that moment it was an anger thing, and you
didn't want him to clown you. He just got done,
essentially kicking your ass in front of a whole bunch
of people. You had to go back over there and
stand up to him, because if he didn't, then it's
been established that he has the permission in the ways
of the streets. I guess is that correct. I'm not okay,
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I'm understanding what your thought process was. Okay, although I'm
not telling you you to be wrong to feel that way.
I have to really evaluate the law with the standard ground.
The threat to you at that point was gone. He
was walking away from you, and I'm trying. You were angry,
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just like you said, and you had every right to
be angry, and you admit, and I agree with you,
it was a bad choice to walk across the street
because you actually walked across the street at that point
with an unfair advantage being a gun. You couldn't beat
him with your fist. He's a big guy, and I'm
not that's not saying anything that is less of you
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at all, because I could be. I mean, I'm pretty tall,
and I I'm not going to claim to be very
strong or anything like that. But he's a big dude.
I wouldn't be picking a fight with that guy. It
wouldn't be a fair match, right, Okay, So you and
him not a fair match. And it does come across
a little bit that your anger got the best of
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you and you had that courage to go back and
confront him because you had a firearm. It's not it's
not a very good thing to say. I was scared
for my life, but then I initiated a confrontation again,
does that make sense. I'm just trying to explain to
you how I have to assess everything, and I'm being
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fair and honest with you because you've been honest with me.
So because at no point did he say anything to
you about having a gun. At no point did he
say anything to you about shooting you. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
He been telling me you're gonna kill me.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
You never told me that were going to kill me.
But when did that happen?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
When he was beating me up, he said he was
he tiding me and he was gonna kill me right
there on the girl. So as CC broke it, CC's
the one that stopped, like, saved my life. Understand if
I would have been still no, he would have literally,
I would have died right now.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
So when you and CEC were tussling in the car
and other people seen it, how do you think that
looked to everyone else.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Like I was probably beating up.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
You said that yourself to our CC in the car,
you said, we better stop. We don't want to get arrested. Okay,
So with that thought in your mind, looking back on everything,
did it occur to you that he may have thought
you were beating her ass in the car.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
That's what I'm saying. That's what I told her.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I got out of the car, said let's stop because
he's coming down the sidewalk and I don't want to
get into it with him, right so I'm gett out
in eave. So I got out of the car as
I realizing had my shirt, I walked around the car
try to get my shirt out of the car.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Was the gun in the shirt or is it still
on you? It was what the gun was in the car?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Where was it in the car when.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I grabbed the shirt, It was under the shirt. I
grabbed about the car.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Okay, where was the shirt in the car?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
The shirt was in the back seat.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
So when you saw you picked it up out the car.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yes, because I didn't have it on me. Then I
got it and I put it on me. Was I
grabbed it and put it on me and grabbed my shirt.
He I don't even know how close. I don't know
what she ran to me because he was a distance
away from my head, trying to grab my shirt to leave.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
By time grab my shirt turned around, I was hit.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You mean, grab your shirt, put the gun on, turn
around and walk and then he's there. You had enough
time to do all of that before he walked the
short he got up on me and hit me. Okay,
that's that seems like a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
That is. So once I turned around and got ready
to walk away, he hit me and I hit the ground.
Did he hit me again?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Hit me again?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Hit me agin By this time I'm covered my face
and my face down now getting me from the back
of the head.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I still got knocks come my head from he hit me,
and my whole egg was swollen.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Right, So now I'm thinking to myself, you really don't
kill me down she she jumped on me and stopped,
and he told him to start hitting me.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I understood, But you went through that part of the
story three times and until just now, you never said
that he told you he was going to kill you.
In fact, you were very clear about the fact that
he said.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I've been wanting to I'm still trying to remember the
things he said because he been beating on me. I
haven't been sleeping these last two days, trying to get
rid of this. No, I have not been in the hospital,
none of it. As he hit all, you know where
the blood came from. I probably have a blood clot
in my head or something.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
He spit it out, I split it out. Maybe you
have a cut in your mouth.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
No, no cutting my mouth.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
No, No, you don't have anything on your face.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Hit me from here until the back of my heads
and all. But I just seen No, I cover up
my face. I was hit down like this in the ground.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
But he hits you in your face and wh on
your face?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
He connected here? Okay, he connected here, and he also
connected over here.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Do you can you point to any bruises that you
have on your so?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I can't. But there's no no.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I'm gonna take pictures of everything, very close, very thorough pictures.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
That could Okay, I think them from here, but there's.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
No you're telling me that there's no bruises, there's really
no But he hit him from here, okay, and this
the whole it was odd about right here.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
It looks right now like it's it's pretty you know,
even it looks the same as the other one. But
I'm going to take close pictures to really capture it,
to make sure. Well, can you part your hair for
me right there and I can take a look to
see if there's a bump. I don't see anything, but
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I'm going to take pictures of all that took.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Over.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Okay. And you're sure that when you fired at him
that he was shot in the front of him. Each
shot was in the front of him, Okay, So you're
absolutely sure there's no possible way that there would be
a shot in back, you know.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Because he was facing me like he was coming to it.
Like I said, he was combing towards me like he
was grabbing for something. So I didn't even know because
I asked me asking him the question. He walking towards
me with his look on his face like he grabbed
for something, like he okay, I know I already.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Twelve what you want.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
The look on the face has nothing to do with
what his hands are doing, yes, so show me what
his hands were doing that.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Do you think he was grabbing for He had his
hand in his clocket like walking towards me.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Okay, so I was. I don't even at any point
didn't make a mention of a gun. You huh.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
He said I was gonna kill you right there on
that side. But as I walked towards him and asked
him why, he he said, I wanted to kill you.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
You said that I've been wanting you for a while.
You've been getting on my nurse before. So now he
said he wanted to kill you.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
You wanted me for a while. I'll be getting your nerves.
And as I walked towards him and asked him, why to.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Hit me in my face? Why to eat me like that?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
But you never said that before?
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I tell you, Okay, I'm remembering these things. Oh just now,
this stuff is just not coming back. Okay, I walked
up to him. That's the why he hit me. Shit,
I've been wanting for a long time. I really tried
to kill you. This word came out his mouth.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
So a guy that's never like had any issue, has
never like done anything to you before.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
He can't see felt I was out of place for
wrestling with his girlfriend and felt that he got to
save him.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
That's basically what it looked like to me.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Oh so you felt that he saw you.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
You see me jumping on He seen me.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Jump in the back of the car, right, He seen
me tousling with him, so he came down on the
sidewalk as I s like I said, as I seen
him walk down the sidewalk, I told him, let me
stop tussling with you. This ain't even that serious. I
would get out and I would walk away before anything
goes happen. Right, I'm flagging.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
What way you.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Okay? Do you really feel from the bottom of your
soul in thinking of everything? Because there's a life lost
at this point, you know what I mean. There's people
that love that man the way your family loves you,
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so they're suffering a loss. Nobody wins in this situation.
Do you agree with me? Okay, you're a human. I'm
not judging. That's not my role, but it is hard
for me to understand because at the point that you
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walked across that street towards him, you became the aggressor.
You became the one that initiated that contact with him,
and that was a bad idea, And you agree with
that that was a bad choice because you were seeing
red right.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
There's a lot of things in my mind.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yes, you were angry, you were embarrassed going with.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
The emotional instance about my divorce, and you have.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Other turmoil in your life. And you did make a
conscious effort before walking across that street to arm yourself
with a gun, so you knew that that gun was
going to cause trouble. So I want you to really
search your soul for a moment and truly think about
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the difference between protecting yourself because you absolutely had to
because in this situ situation, my dear you, you initiated
that contact again with him. He had walked away from you.
He might be an asshole. Okay, I'm not saying that
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he isn't, but I'm saying to you, and I'm asking you,
by everything that we've just discussed, I cannot honestly agree
that he put it to your life at that moment
because you reapproached him. And I want you to look
me in the eye because I'm being respectful and I'm
I'm telling you the truth from everything, and I've repeated
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it back to you to make sure I'm getting it right.
But for his family and for anybody else listening, it's
going to be hard for anybody to think that you
actually feel happy about it. You kind of do.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I could have walked away, but he could have been
me hill because.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
You live any life.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yes, but like I said, I felt it might seem
like I did.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I believe you felt threatened. But the difference between the
law in the streets. I understand holding your ground in
the streets. When someone swings on you in front of
an audience, you got to stand up and you either fight,
you'd fight it out like men. But the problem is
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you didn't go back and finish the fight. You went
back and you executed somebody. That wasn't a fair fight.
You didn't fight him fist to fist. You're entitled and
you're I understand why you were angry, but you walked
back to that man in a situation that was already heated.
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You're not afraid anymore because you knew what you knew
you had to go, and you know what, he never
said to you, anything about shooting you. The man whooped
your ass with his hands, and he walked away when
he was told to stop. He didn't come back and
tried to continue. He really did, but he did. That's
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not what you said.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
No, no, I'm telling you the man didn't. I done
been in so much stuff in my life. You got
your own life, forgot my life. I have been so
many things and stuff in my life.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
In this moment, in the pain that you have, and
if your mama were here, because I have my mom
of three, and if my son were sitting across from me,
I would say to my son, you made a bad decision.
You allowed your anger to get the best of you.
You're not a bad person, you're not an evil person,
(42:45):
but you cannot remove the fact that the choice you
made to re engage him, you became the aggressor. At
that point, the threat was gone, he was walking away
from you, but you were pissed and you had a gun,
and that combination, that combination drove you across the street
(43:13):
and started up with him again. But that's what happened.
You did shoot him. You didn't have to shoot him
because you didn't have to walk across that road. You
started that altercation right back up again. You can't say
that you're afraid for your life. And also say that
(43:36):
you're walking towards the man if you're afraid, you're going
that way.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I went that way.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
You're walking away from him. He didn't follow after you
and said I'm going to make you come back here
and drag you back. He didn't do that. Remember, there's
people watching this, there's cameras out there, and I know
and I respect that you were scared in the moment
where you were and beat up, but it was done.
(44:02):
Once that stopped. Your life is no longer in danger,
and you can't go back across the street and start
it back up again. After you have the upper the
secret upper hand of a gun hidden in a shirt,
and say that you're scared for your life. You can't
say that. You have to admit the truth, which is
(44:25):
I was angry and in the streets where I live.
Your pride and the way you carry yourself is what
gets you by true or false.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
No, because I usually welcome some much situation, but you didn't.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
I'm not talking about what you usually do. You were upset,
you were sad. You have a lot of things that
have happened in your life, and all of that contributes
to it. But in that moment, you weren't scared for
your life. You were angry and you had a gun.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
I was scared. I asked, you was scared, and why
go back towards him.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
I didn't know what he was people were doing after that,
the man who beat me up and I speke blood.
I don't know what the man was capable.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Doing after that.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
What he was capable of doing was walking the funk away.
And that's what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
And the day was still young.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Dude, in that moment, he was not causing you a
threat of your life.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Man ready, he beat you up, he threatened.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
He threatened my life when you walked back across the
street with a gun.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
He threatened me before I even did anything. The man
beat me up, threatened me on the ground, and threatened
man as.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
I came towards him, as you came towards him, bingo.
As you came towards him, he pulled you off of
somebody he thought you were beating.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
He didn't pull me nowhere. I got off of her.
I made a decision to get out the car and
walk away. He hit me and knocked me out, and
I spent blood. Asking the man hit me in the face.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Let me ask you a questions. If you saw Rose reverse,
you see him in the back of the car, and
you think he's hitting on her.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
That's their business.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Has problem because you don't care about her like that.
You said that she's just a female.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Okay, lot of stuff for this girl. She could tell
you that, yes you have, but.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
You told me that did I I want you to
correct me if I'm wrong. Your soul will not be
at rest until you take accountability for the mistake that
you made. You already admitted it was not a good
idea to walk across that street when you're seeing red
(46:34):
zero to one hundred pissed. It is not up to
me to decide whether or not you're guilty of a crime.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
That's not my role.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
My role is to look at the law to determine
if in that very second, you felt that your life
was going to end. And I'm explo why I can't
put together.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
That's why I'm trying to get you to get you
ain't getting.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
What did he do in that instant.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Fuel like this?
Speaker 3 (47:12):
I love my life and I love my friend. I
would never put myself in a situation. I'll try to
put myself a situation. I can't get out of. And
this is a situation I can't get out of.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Why do you say that, because it's already doing it
will happened.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
And like I said, now this man is lost or gone,
and now his fando memals I had to hurt all
works what I did.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
I think.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
But that makes a difference. The fact that you are
absolutely sorry for that, that's important. That's what I'm telling you.
You are human for getting angry. You are human for
feeling that you had to kind of retaliate. You're human
for those feelings. I'm telling you. Look at me for
(48:02):
a second. I'm telling you you're human for that. But
I'm also being honest with you and telling you that
in the world, you can't You can't go up on
somebody hiding a gun under a shirt after and feeling
angry like that and expect there to be an outcome
(48:24):
any different. You know what I'm saying. You're one of
the few people that's had the courage and the decency
to come in willingly and discuss this. I worked a
lot of cases. I respect you men, and there may
(48:46):
be consequences to this because it's a life because if
it were you, it would be the same way you understand, right, okay,
And I'm I'm trying to think of anything that I'm
missing or not understanding. I know in the streets that
(49:07):
it's different.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
I don't live the streets. I have a job and all,
yeah you do.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
But you said you live the same life that he does.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I lived, lived lived, Okay.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
I had a job and all I should went to
worked that day if all that little seeds that worked.
None is what happened only because I want my stuff.
This shit happened all because I'm trying to get my
stuff from CC. This stuff happened. Everything happened because of this.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Your anger started with her and it boiled else it did.
It did most to work, and you're human for that.
You're human for that. And I didn't write it down.
Can you please tell me what your number is again?
Fourteen forty two, ten, fourteen forty five. When you and
(49:57):
I in the begin a thing talked about whether or
not you had been arrested before. What were you arrested for?
Speaker 2 (50:06):
That was seep the schools?
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Is that a felony? Did you did you take? What
was the outcome of that?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
I want to try deal program set two years approbation,
don't have to pay it off.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Okay, did you is that a felony on your record?
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Was it withheld or are you considered to be did
you register as a felon? Why did you have a
gun that day?
Speaker 2 (50:41):
I didn't full inside, I'm saying I didn't have it
on at all.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Well, where did the gun come from? Did it belong
to CC or you don't want to go there?
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Is it fair to say that it doesn't belong to her?
She doesn't carry it?
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Okay, So then the only person in the car was you?
Does the Is that a gun that you normally carry?
Why did you have it that day?
Speaker 3 (51:09):
That's what I'm saying. I i'd seen it in the
back seat and I grabbed it with shirt. I didn't
don't belong to me, stop mine.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I don't own it. I ain't pasting work none of that.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Did you borrow it?
Speaker 2 (51:21):
I didn't borrow it necessarily, That's what I'm saying. I
jumped in the back seat of the car. I don't
know what's back though.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
So when I jumped the back seat, I said, I'm
seeing clothes and all this other stuff back though.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
We said it was your stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
That was back. That's when it was. It was new
stuff backed up. My stuff was in her trunk, my clothes.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Oh, maybe I'm misunderstood. I'm glad you clarified.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yes, it was clothed and everything that was back to No,
I'm thinking to myself like, okay, you got new stuff
in it.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
It ain't nothing. This stuff's mine.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
It is warmer in here. So I'm gonna take a
minute before Yeah, just give me a minute. I'll be back.
I just want to see if there's anything else I
(52:10):
need to go over. I do need to get a
camera as well, because i'd like to document your injuries, Okay,
because I want to be very very thorough with everything.
What do you think should happen at this point?
Speaker 2 (52:29):
I don't know what's what.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
If this for your family member that was that was killed,
same situation, What do you think should happen? Honestly? What
would you feel would be the correct outcome?
Speaker 2 (52:52):
I don't know until you reworking. Okay, okay, now you've live.
Now gold to your thing.
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