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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
That's where I'm from. Y alright, let's let's talk a
little a little bit more. It's a little release, right.
I mean there's stuff involving guns being put to heads
and all that just within the past couple of weeks.
What's that all about? Knives? Oh?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Knives all? Yeah, she was she was a little violent.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
So what did she do?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Uh, she pulled a knife out on me while I
was holding my daughter, okay one day and I had.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
A well it was it wasn't even a real god.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
It was like a faith What kind of faith gun
was it?

Speaker 3 (00:45):
It was like a bb goud. It was like a
BB gun?

Speaker 4 (00:47):
What what kind of like? What did it had markings
on it?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
It was it was something that was stored by It
was a b B gud But she tried to make
it look.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Like it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Did it have an orange tip?

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, it had an orange it was It's just a
BB gun.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yeah, didn't have like a removal like was it modeled
after a gun or.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
I don't even know what kind it was. But I'm
not violent by me?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
And are we Why would she be telling you text
saying that you pulled a gun on her?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
I mean it was a it's a BB gun, you
positive up? Yeah, I am.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
What'd you do with a BB gun.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
That's probably still her apartment?

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Well, I mean when you were there, what'd you do
with it?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I pulled it out, and I I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Put it to it.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
You didn't, No, I didn't when I pulled it out
because I I felt threatened and I didn't have.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
A real gun on me.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Do you remember what kind of gun that you reported
stolen back in January?

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, it was a It was a glock. It was
a forty three x forty three X. Do you know
what caliber that is?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, it's like a nine.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
It's a nine.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
So in the picture messages that she sent you on
your phone, it's not a BB gun. It doesn't have
an orange tip and on the side, and you wanna
guess what it says? What six o'clock forty three x.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
But the thing about that gun, I haven't seen that
gun since January, and the the BB gun that I
pulled out, I don't think that she had a picture
of it, but I know that that gun.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Is probably wh would you even pull out again? I
mean she pulled a she pulled.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
A knife out on me.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
When did this happen?

Speaker 3 (02:27):
That was?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
That?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Mighta been like a month ago, a month we talked
earlier about something like that, Or you didn't mention.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Anything like that.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, I didn't call the authorities or anything about it.
I mean she didn't wanna call the authorities either, because
she felt like it would have been child endangerment.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, no doubt, it's child in dangerment. Knives and guns
are being puol with she is in the apartment.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, but the yah, but she had like a twenty two.
I wanna say it was like a LR or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
But she's clearly telling you in the messages you don't
care about me. You pulled a gun twice, I think
it says, and put it to her head. No, it
was a it was just a BB gun. She told
her mom about it too.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, I know, I didn't really mention the knife. But
if you look in the text thread, you'll see y'all
got a violent history. No, but if you look at
the text thread, you'll see that.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
You'll see that I just loo And the common theme
in that text read is a lot of violence.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I was non abusive, though I did well.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
She's claiming that you were putting the gun to her head,
and she's got a picture of a gun that matches
the same gun that you record.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
So but the gun, I think the gun, the picture
of the gun that she had was probably like an
older picture because the bbie.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
But no.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
But the thing about an iPhone is people like and
I've seen her do it.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
That's how I learned about that type of stuff. iPhones.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
You could change to date of a picture through the app,
not even through the app, just through the phone.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Why would she do that?

Speaker 1 (04:06):
I mean she does stuff like that. That's just like
she said that. If you look at a lot of
her messages, you'll see that a lot of stuff was manipulative.
And she said a lot of different stuff that was
contradic thing.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Who was the girl you were seeing five years ago before? Before? Uh?
Who were you seeing?

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Probably my kids, mom, my first kids.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
What's her name?

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Her name is? Seantavius?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Alright? Who someone between her? Malika? A girl starts nay
team with you in another Oh your Carya. There you go,
your Karya.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
You got a history, man, No, but Yourkarya I remember
when she put her has on me.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
This was over on the north side.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
And but everything you said, so far as you're the victim, No,
But my thing is, who when'd you kick the door in?

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I didn't kick a door.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
You've never done damage to the apartment.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
No, the bedroom door.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I that was when she pulled the knife on me.
The bedroom door. I pushed it open and I paid
to get it fixed.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
So she pulled an ife on you? Why'd you push
the bedroom door upen?

Speaker 1 (05:21):
No, I had the BB gun and stuff like that
because I was holding my daughter when she pulled a
knife on me, and I told her. I was like,
you know, that's like child Benjamin x y Z. I
said a whole lot of different things to her. But
I never but I haven't seen the So walk.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Me through this.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
She pulled an eye on you while you were holding
your kid. Yeah, and then what did you do? I
pulled She's still heldling it.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
I pulled. I didn't have a real weapon, so I
pulled out a grabbed a BB gun.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
You grabbed a BB gun, yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:52):
From where I grabbed it?

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, I had it in a bag.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
You had it in a bag.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (05:57):
And then where did you push on the door.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Income in all this, it was really I really didn't
push the door in.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I really didn't push it in, and we were kind
of She kind of tried to shove me a little bit,
but I didn't want to put my hands on her.
And that was kind of partially one of the reasons
why I started standing over in the Little Bird after
that incident.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
That's why you're kind of dancing around us. First, he said,
you paid to have the door fixed. Yeah, I paid to.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Have it fixed because she doesn't have the money to.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Pay for her And it was so how did the
door get broken?

Speaker 1 (06:31):
The door got broken because she and I we were
like right in front of the door and I was
trying to she had the knife.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
I had a BB gun.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
I was worried about the knife out a bag. Yeah,
did you bring the bag there?

Speaker 3 (06:45):
No, my bag was already over there.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
But I didn't have I didn't have a real gun,
and I wasn't about to put a knife on her.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
I set my kids to the side and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
She's pretty specific. And that message that she he sent
you two weeks ago with the picture of that blocked
forty three x saying this is the same gun you
put in my head twice. No, that's that's not true.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Thing about her is when I pulled it, when I
had the black BB gun really was spray painted. When
I pulled it out, she was kind of she was
kind of shocked by it. But I had to just
I had to kind of scare her off. I did
to scare her off.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, but that's the picture is not of a BB gun.
That's not no, I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
No, But any picture that she'll have it would be
of something that is around her, like when I reported that.
I beally, I don't know what she did with it
when I reported it.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
But if you tell her in the text like hey,
why do you still have a picture that gun? I
thought it was stolen?

Speaker 3 (07:50):
No, I mean, I'm just no.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Can even just say let me go that we'll go
through some of these texts, cause this doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
What's your alright? Yeah, I would in the same thing.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Were you gonna have to help us make sense of
this because most it was like a lot more violent
than what you initially led us to believe had occurred
between y'all.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
I mean, sh' should tell you that I'm not I'm
not violent. I understand that.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I mean what you said the earlier that y'all basically
just kind of verbally.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Arguing yeah, just like with the knife incident, I didn't
feel the need to tell.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, but your chance earlier to disclose that was then,
and now here we are having to confront you that's
not the case. Looking at the thumb, you made it
sound like verbal arguments, okay, was the only thing that
y'all had had before. Yeah, and now we're seeing pictures
involving guns, guns being put in people's heads. You're saying,
she's pulled knife on you while you were holding your child.

(08:49):
I mean, that's way more than verbal arguments.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
I mean, but at the end of the day, I
know that I wouldn't do anything to her, Like even
when it came down to it, me and her, we
could have most couples with probably fistfighting something like that.
I still didn't put my hands on her when she
pulled a knife on me. I didn't have any type
of weapon, and I know she had a twenty two.
I know she had like a twenty two gun, but

(09:12):
I didn't know where she kept it, So I I
grabbed a b B gun. That was like the quickest.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Thing, but I didn't tell my parents about the incident.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I didn't let anybody know about it. You go about BJ, right, yeah, BJ,
listen to me. Stuff's starting to not add up, man,
I understand, But I didn't do anything to her. I mean,
we've talked to her mother, of course, you can imagine.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Okay, I understand she's very close with her mother, you know, though,
definitely so pretty much everything that's happened between y'all, she's
disclose to her mother, and some of the stuff that
her mother informed us about matches.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Up to exactly what's on the phone. But yeah, I understand.
But even when it comes down to.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
It, I never called my parents in regards to a
knife or anything or a gun. When it came to
her parents, I never reached out to them about it.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
I would just remove myself from the situation. Like the
day that happened.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I think that might have been one of the last
days that I was over there.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Have you ever pulled out a gun on her?

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Not a real one, but you pulled out a BB
gun with you? I mean, because you know I might
go outside and shoot some pellets or something like that.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Man, I mean, seriously, you're gonna go to her apartment.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
No, I mean because apartment the thing I mean not
really outside, but like in the grass in.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
The wooded area.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
There's a wooded area over there, and out shoot little
pellets and stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Well, let's just run there a couple of things, and
you explained to us because right now, like I said,
it's not making sense.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
So this is from the ninth, which was two weeks ago.
She's saying, this is trauma for her kids. I'm so
hurt just talking about signing the rights over which I
can only imagine to infuriate you because you said, do
you love your kids? What about a gun being put
to my head twice? You took my car keys? What

(11:13):
was that all about?

Speaker 3 (11:15):
I didn't take the car keys.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Okay, she's just saying that for fun.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, I know she was trying to take the kids
and stuff. But at that point, once she pulled a
knife out on me. By her pulling a knife out
on me while I was holding my daughter, I felt
like she would have did anything. And I also knew
that she had a weapon. So I moved the keys,
but I gave her cock keys back to her.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
I told her. I was just like, I'm about to
leave because I couldn't.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Drive, So is that why you broke the door down?

Speaker 2 (11:45):
No? No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
We almost got into a tussle, but we didn't. That
was me, like, because she was poking at me and
I was kind of trying to.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Like push her away a little bit, but I didn't
want to.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
I didn't want How do you break a door doing that?
That doesn't make much sense.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
You can't really you don't really break it, but you
know if you have a door like pre locked and
you know if you push it.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
It was like that.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Okay, so the door was shut or open.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
It was like both of us we were like tugging
it out.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
She's on the back side of the door, you're no,
I had went into the bedroom, so you were in
the bedroom. She's in the hall way. Yeah, okay. And
then you're trying to shut the door a little bit
and she's trying to open the door.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah, because I was trying to grab the kids.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Because you're trying to grab the kids because she's coming
at you with a knife, that's what.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
You're saying exactly.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Okay, Well then why does she say then I walked away.
You followed me into my room and broke the door.
I ran into the bathroom to hide, and you put
a gun to my head.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
That's not true.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Okay, well you didn't. You didn't say that.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
No, she did that, but.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
You didn't say that's not true here in.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
A text message. I'm not going to go back and
forth in a text message.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
So you said, I'm a grown man, don't pull a
weapon out on me while I have much a grown man.
Don't pull a weapon out on me while I have
my child.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, Pija, when you went in that room last night,
you got on top of her, and she's in that bed.
You pulled out that gun. What room? Her bedroom? What
are you talking about? There's a bullet hole through her pillow,
there's bullet holes in her How many times did she
get shot? How many times? What I tell you earlier,

(13:33):
there's two ways got a situation? How many times did
she get you're trying to say yourself right now.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
No, I'm being honest.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
You're worried about yourself than you are.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
No, I'm worried about me getting like I'm worried about you.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Haven't been there twenty four to seven for these kids.
She has no I provide for my children. That's fine,
but you're out there for them day in and day out.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
She is absolutely I am. She's not there anymore.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
But because of what happened between y'all last night, I
did do anything to her.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
That's not true.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
I promise.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
I haven't even been over give you your chance earlier
to I have not been over there.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I have not been there. You sat there and Tony
verbal altercations. Verbal.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, but I told you that couple you're remitting that
she's pulled nice, you pulled out. But also in my statement,
I told you, I said that most couples go through
I said, I'm not one to that, but I'll give
you a chance earlier.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I've been very respectful with you.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah, I'm being honest with you as well. But you
hit stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
But my first time going to that apartment complex since
last week was today when I showed up over there.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
I have not been over there.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
So, regardless of what type of altercation she and I have,
regardless of how it goes, I haven't seen her in
a week. I haven't been there. You look at my phone.
You said something about locations and stuff like that. I
haven't left Middleburgh at well.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Interesting, all your locations recently have been deleted, so we
can't see your recent they're not there. It doesn't go
back until like the fourteenth is your last history. So
if you've been have you used your phone since the fourteenth,
today's the twenty fourth.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, I'm always in Middlebroo.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
So in ten days, have you used this phone at all?

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Okay, So if you look at our test messages, it'll
tell you that I haven't.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Like we talked about the fact that I haven't been
going over there.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Okay, well you were there as recently as the ninth
when this all happened. She's apparently got spring grabs. We're
downloading her phone right now too, and then all of
the deleted stuff that's that was on here will get
we got on the download. We're just waiting all that
to come back on the disc and we'll see all that.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
All right, this is your chance to separate yourself. Remember
I said earlier, there's there's situations where people find themselves
in good people find themselves in a bad situation where
they momentarily lose control hold on. And then there's beyond
that true evil, there's a cold buddy killers that can
kill someone in cold blood, and then lie, I haven't
done anything. I know that the last time. She's just

(16:11):
accusing you between the two of y'all. She didn't call police,
so she's not trying to set you up.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
My thing is, couples go at it all the time,
different things, different things.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
We acknowledge that, yeah, yeah, done the knots.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, but she and I that that was Those were
just things that happened between she and myself. It even
says in that she'll tell you like I'm not. She
says in the med I know because we talked about it.
We agree that I'm not a violent person. I wouldn't
do anything to it.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Well, I said, I don't see that that you're not
violent in here. I see right here, she says, all
I see is you putting a gun to my head.
And I think I have PTSD from all the things
you've put me through. And you say, I saw that
my life was in danger when you pulled out a
knife on me and made me grab my gun. So
you're I mean you're in here that you grabbed your gun.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah it wasn't but it wasn't a real gun.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
But just below this, she sends a picture of the knife,
and she sends a picture of your gun, which is
a glock forty three X.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
But that's not even that's that that glock forty three
as she had.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Pictures that happened over the twenty four hours ago.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
No, I haven't been there.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
You can ask the residents, you could check cameras, whatever
you have to do. I haven't been there. The first
time that I got there was today. I have not
been there.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Honestly, we went down to that apartment last night.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
I don't know. I text her this morning. I text
her this afternoon. I didn't even know that anything had
even happened at the apartment until you guys chose earlier
because a lot of times that's that's private couple stuff.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, but we're sitting in here talking about who's been murdered.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
I mean, but when I know that I'm not to something,
I shouldn't have to disclose the details of my relationship.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Disclose everything you can to let us know, like, hey,
these are the incidents that occurred. We spoke about specific
incidents between on You acknowledge that everything had been verbal.
There have never been physical violence.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, for the most part.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
That's physical violence that y'all are seeking.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
No, but we but none of us, we never put
our hands on each other, and.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
You said the last time you called the police on
her or something about some of mine.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
I mean, she pulled a life on me.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Do you remember taking that?

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Have you seen that picture?

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah? I remember that? Okay.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Were you there when she took that picture?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
No? I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
No.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Are you familiar with live photos?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah? Okay.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
Do you know what happens when I hold my thumb.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Down on the life and it does audio too? Right?

Speaker 3 (18:53):
I think I recorded a whole Vilia.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
You hear that, girl, that's the knife you tried to
stab you with. Right, So if you weren't there just saying, girl,
that's the knife you tried to stab me with.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I mean it's it's a lot of video clips with
her doing.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Stuff and right, well, this is what I'm saying. This
is during that incident on the knife or what she
had a knife? Right, she's taking it. Well, yeah, you're
taking a picture of that. You're holding it down. Yeah,
that's the knife that you tried to do. What But
then on that same counter, I mean you see all
that stuff. There's that purple candle that looks like or something.

(19:29):
There's a green there's a little green bag right there,
and everything like that now in some done. Okay, I
see the down dishwashing detergent, the little green thing and
what looks like a cant like a purple candle or
something right there. Now, do you see anything that looks
like a green bag, a don dishwashing detergent, or a
candle in this photo?

Speaker 2 (19:54):
One more time? What's the difference in those photos?

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Well, I'm talking about when I'm looking at the photo
of the knife that with your voice, and that's the
that's the picture of the knife that you sent her.
On the ninth, I see on the counter. I'll zoom
in so you can see it too. That means that
there's the dawn, right. That means that, and there's there's
the candle, and there's that green bag. And right next

(20:18):
to that green bag. Do you see that right next
to that green bag in the dawn, it's on the
same counter as that knife.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
That means that the gun wasn't in my possession.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Right, But it's it's a block forty three Actually see
that block forty three X.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
That means that that god wasn't in my possession.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
That's what right, it wasn't It might not have been
not on this it's on the counter in that right,
But as that picture is from the same day that
y'all are texting about her threatening you with a knife
with your voice.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
Girl, that's the knife and everything on the counter.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Like that, How does she do stuff?

Speaker 7 (20:55):
You can change the date on the picture, you can
change the date on the picture on the phone, But
how is she taking a picture of the glock back
in January seven months ago with the same green thing.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
That looks like a caught like a folgers or some
kind of coffee thing, the same dish detrogent, the same
stuff on the counter as this stuff on the knife
seven months later.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
You understand. It's not gonna be he and I a
judging you.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
I understand, I understand.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
How do you want to be judge? You're gonna be
judged as a man who got caught up in his
emotions was having.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Some to judge.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
No, I want to be judged as an honest man,
because I know that I didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Anymore as the cold bloody killed and there in cold
blood with his kids in the apartment with her and
left I did just saying yourself, I didn't do anything
like that.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
What time did you leave there last?

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Night.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
I wasn't there last night.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Where's the gun?

Speaker 3 (21:49):
I don't even have that gun?

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Do you love your kids?

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Absolutely? Would you leave them there by themselves from two
o'clock in the morning until seven pm the next day?
Laying right there?

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Is that? How you found my kids laying under They
would land on her.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
You need to shot with shot with the same block
that you have that you with two weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Y'all didn't tell me that.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
You need to tell us.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Man, I didn't do anything. I wasn't there. I wasn't there.
I don't even have that gun.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Where is it that?

Speaker 2 (22:27):
I mean, I wouldn't know. You're trying to make it
sound like you don't have a history of violence on that,
but you do with other women.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
I don't with your own family. Your grandma trespassed you.
Why did you trust pass?

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Why did your mom get you trespassed from your own
grandmother's house? And not just in October?

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (22:42):
My mom has an issue, But do you guys? So
you hear yourself, you're putting your everything is on everybody else.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
So your your first baby mama with a five year
old has an issue. The in between girlfriend has an issue.
That's got to report against you. Your current girl's got
an issue with you, know, is you to put guns
to her head. And your own mother's got an issue
that causes her to trespass you. So do you see
the common denominator. I got four different people all have
an issue with the same one person.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I understand. But when it comes to my mother, my.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Mom, well not just your mother, your mother.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
My mom has multiple scrocia. I only have two kids.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
When it comes to your car, your Cara got valued
with me because she used to be.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Like as yourself accountability, I'm being I'm being accountable, but
you're not.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
You're blaming it on Oh you know, you.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Guys are trying to say that I was in a
place where you guys try and say that I was
in a place where I wasn't And you're trying to
say that I had a gun that I didn't have,
And you're looking at but looking at the text messages
from manipulative woman, and you're trying to make sure you
definitely hit stuff from us. I'm saying, but you didn't
bring up anything about guns and nines or no. But
when it came down to it, in my statement, I

(23:55):
said that yeah, we had disagreements and things like that.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, and I specifically asked you about violence and physical
and you said, no, none of that. Well, maybe one
time there was a time she pulled a knife a
year ago or something. I think I had a call.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
I mean that's a year ago. This is I understand.
But I didn't want to. I didn't want to mention.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
That because you didn't want to mention the whole part
of you.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Putting a gun to red.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
No, I just didn't want to. I didn't watch.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Self preservation.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
No, I didn't want to. I didn't want to see
yourself right now.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
No, I'm really not because at the end of the day,
of course I'm going to save myself. But at the
end of the day, I know that I wasn't there.
I wasn't I didn't even know what happened. I text
her hat. I texted her around ten something last night,
and I text her like, I never left. I don't

(24:47):
even have a car.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
You have me commenced there for a minute, man, I
came in here he did it.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Then after talking to that, come on, man, you can't
how do you explain I'm being honest, Like that's a
forty three X. My thing is she probably had. I mean,
let's no, no, but no. But even when I reported it stolen,
when I reported that gun stolen, I think that I
think that she had a guy that she was talking to,

(25:16):
and I think that she gave it to him originally.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Another time she had a gun, she had a twenty two.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
But refuted here. You never refute that you that was
You never refute that you put a gun to her head.
All these times that she claims it, you never refuted
that you weren't there because that gun that was gone month.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
No.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Because but at that point she and I we had
already been talking to each other. We had still been
around each other, We were still going around each other.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
So I really.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Didn't feel the neat Like in a text message, sometimes
you can look at a person being manipulative or being
overlibjective or something like that, or making up something or
wagging their tail, and.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
You just choose to look over it.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Because at the end of the day, whenever she would
text me, she would try to show up to somebody
to make it look like I did something, And a
lot of those times I never did. When it came
down to my children, you manipulated me. I didn't manipulate
anybody know, I'm being honest.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
You have all these altercations and all these incidents with
different women, including your own mother.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Me and my mother have never really been in any
true altercations.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
The police trespassed from your own grandmother's.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
House the only time. The only reason she did that
was because and.

Speaker 8 (26:31):
I'm having to confront them the no, when it came
to that, she and I like, I didn't do anything,
but I didn't really have anywhere to stay at that point, and.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
I had a lot going on, and she was my
mom has multiple scarotious multiple scrosis. She called law enforcement
on my twelve year old brother as well, So you know,
I kind of want to leave my mom's medical history
out of it, but she knows that he was kind
of going through it a little bit. So at the
end of the day, you're just a victim and all this. No,

(27:07):
I'm not a victim in all of it. But no,
but I know where I was and I know where
I wasn't, and I know that last night I probably
went to sleep at around.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
I probably went to sleep at around maybe eleven o'clock.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
And when did you wake up.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Maybe around seven something.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Did you wake up any time in between those two times.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, I think you know, every time you know you
can argue with somebody, text 'em in the middle of
the night, see if they alright.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Stuff like did you text her in the middle of
the night?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I believe so.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
I always do.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
After eleven and before so he yeah, more than likely.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Uh, an emotional moment cold by killer.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
I wasn't over there, and I didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
You pick which category you want to go in. I
didn't do it. I can't do it for you.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
You pick it.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I didn't do it.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
I mean, at the end of the day, you're gonna
have to just find your own mind.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
And I wasn't there.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
How you left your two kids there?

Speaker 2 (28:12):
What did she do? I mean, what happened last night?

Speaker 3 (28:14):
What did you do today?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
I was up there last night. I wasn't there last night.
I didn't even know what happened.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Where's the key? Earlier you said I think I had
a key. Where's the key to her apartment that you
said you have.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
I think it's over at my I think it's like
on one of my bags.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
We're at home.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
More n likely.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Why would you come over there to day to her
apartment without the key? I wasn't at her apartment. You
gotta ride from your stepdad to the apartment day. Why
would you come to her apartment without the key to get.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
A ride from my step I didn't get a ride
from anybody.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
How'd you get there today? Earlier? My stepdad took me
over that. I just said that. You just said you
didn't get a ride.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
But I couldn't even Why.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Did you come over there? Why would you get your
step goa to drive you all the way from Middleburg
to her apartment and not bring the key that you
have to her apartment with you?

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Oh, because anytime if you were worried, No, because anytime.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
I go, we were gonna do when you got there.
We weren't having bad blood, Like what were you gonna
do when you got there without a key?

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Knock on the door, knock on the door. Me and her,
we weren't having like she and I. We can argue
with each other and we'll still see one another, just
like with that situation when she pulled that knife on me.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
We will find I'm over there worried something was wrong
because you hadn't been able to get hold of her.
You've got two young kids in that apartment. But that
there's something that there you wouldn't bring a key to get.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Do you see how many times I called and text
her before I showed up. Do you see the message
that I sent her mother when I asked her when
I was concerned.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
I'm not fool by no.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
My thing is when I when I got out there,
I thought that I was gonna be able to walk
up to the door and just knock on the door.
Why would I even have my stepdad come into a
situation where there's any type of.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Way out of this. I'm not lying. I'm been skirting.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Around everything, everything that we're bringing up your spern and
you bring us.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Any of this. This is this is out of everything
we've talked about tonight, Guns and nines being pulled and
messages like that as recent as.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
To that type of stuff all the time, but nobody
ever gets hurt.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
If I had the bullshit flag right now, I plump
it right down on the table in front.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Of you that I'm being so honest.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
I've never put a gun to any of myself.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
A BB gun, it's.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
But it's not a gun. But you know it's not
block for you.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
But she.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Is violent, She's violent. I pulled out a BB gun.
When it comes down to that, nine you and you
carried the.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
BB gun around her there because you like to go
outside shoot pellets in the grass and stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
You said, really one of the guys who stayed in
that apartment complex they left no serious.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Okay, Let's then how did she send a picture? Let's
look look out, everything set on the counter right now?

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Right?

Speaker 4 (30:55):
If I take a picture, here's a knife. I take
a picture of that knife just that night, but you
can kind of see all this other stuff, right, and
then I send that to you.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
You take that.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Picture, but seven months earlier, I take a picture. Instead
of this being a knife, it's a gun. And all
this stuff is in the same spot now. No, no,
all this stuff is in the same spot on the counter.
You tell me how that's possible.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Because that's my thing is that's the only type of
that's the only thing that she probably would have seen
me with at any time throughout our relationship.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
You realize, you and I sit in this room all
the time just for a living. You understand this is
what we do for a living. Understood. Okay, So when
someone's completely innocent, we don't have to worry about shit.
Like that popping up on the phones. We don't have
to worry about all the information that was withheld from
us earlier on. It just asked her where I was

(31:52):
last night? Asked my mam. She just asleep.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
I think everybody was.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
She might know where you were eleven or twelve o'clock.
Where were you at two o'clock?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
I think that everybody, I mean I just called.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
You, has all kinds of mental stuff and health issues going.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
No. No, she has multiple sclerosis.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
But which caused her to trespass you from your grandma's house.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
My mom had a lot going on at that point.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
We got a lot going on right now. But you've
got a lot going understood.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
But when it comes down to it, everybody was together
last night, everybody until what.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Until about six o'clock this afternoon?

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Six o'clock this afternoon was the first time that I left. No,
I left on a bicycle and rode the Walgreens and
bought me a lighter earlier today around two pm, and
that was in middle Bird.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
What about last night?

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Last night, I probably sat on the patio on the
porch and smoked a couple of cigarettes. I probably went
to sleep until what time are you get to sleep.
I probably went to sleep around eleven eleven thirty, and
I know I texted her.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
I probably wouldn't sleep, maybe around one. I don't know it.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
It was late last time I text her between the
time I went to sleep. It could be a different time,
but I know that I sent her a text. I
was trying to see if she was.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Away, Like, hey, you walk What did you do.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
To your elbow?

Speaker 3 (33:19):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:21):
One right on your elbow.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Where'd that come from? Where? Oh? That you said you
used to play on your laptop and sit in the
house all day? What did you do?

Speaker 1 (33:29):
This came from the back of that police car when
they uh with how the seats are put the plastic?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Take your shirt off. It's been around for you need
to tell us what happened over there.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Man, I been't do anything. I haven't been there. I
wanna know what happened over there.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
It's just like you, Okay, sir, Now we're talking yesterday afternoon.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
You got there at what time? Five o'clock, five thirty ish,
not long ago. I got there today. They showed up.
You came from across town knowing in your mind something's wrong,
something's not right, she's not answering the phone. I got
my two young kids in there, and I can't get
hold her. This is not like her. It disturbed you
enough that you had your stepdad drive you from Middleburg
all the way to the north side of Jacksonville, but

(34:27):
yet you went without the key. Yeah, it doesn't make
sense because I mean, if you're gonna knock on the door,
she's already not answering the phone. If something what if
something's wrong with her, how are you gonna get in that?

Speaker 1 (34:36):
At least I would have known that she was home
and everything was fine. I mean, there have been times
where she where she gave me a house key with
gave me a key the apartment and she asked for
it back and then she gave it back to me
and stuff like that. So there would be different times
when I would go over there, I'll just knock on
the doorshit open the door. So why I know that

(34:57):
if I go over there any time of day and
I knock on that door, I know she's gonna open it.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Why did she tell her mom a couple of weeks
ago you pulled a gun on her and then lo
and behold, y'all have text message exchanges between y'all from
a couple of weeks ago were she's saying you pulled
a gun and put it to her head.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
My thing is, whenever it comes down to all.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
She set all that up when it comes down to
get herself killed. No, get herself killed by who you
tell me? My thing is, why did she say you
pulled a gun on her to her mom? Tell you
the same thing, because it was a b B gun.
But she doesn't have a photo of where's the BB gun?
It's probably been her apartment.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Her apartment, Yeah, I promise you it's not.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
It's probably well, I didn't take it with me.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
What did you do with the clock?

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I don't even know where it is. I never had
it once I when I reported it. No, once I
reported it.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
That was the last time it was in my possession.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
You said she had a twenty two earlier. You just
mentioned it again earlier. You never said anything about her
having a glock forty three X.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I told you the glot forty three. But I told
you that the glock forty three was reported back in January.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
But yet here we have pictures of it two weeks ago,
and that she's claiming this is the very gun that
you put to her head.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
I think she probably changed the date on that, because
she's changed. Sometimes she changes the dates on pictures because
sometimes when she's out, she might say that she sensed
the car. And I used to make a fuss about it.
I used to I used to look at the times
on it, and I said, you weren't there at that time.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
So she has a habit of adjusting.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
But it's not the date, this one. You understand, We've
gone through this. It's not the date.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I don't know her set up in her apartment. Her
calendar could have had the same stuff on it from
that time.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Pregnant with what you assumed to be How would I
do something like that.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
She was threatening to kick you out.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
She was right, She wasn't to take your rights away.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
No, And you've been hard, and you've been paying for her,
and you've been paying for the kids, and now she's
with someone else, she's possibly having a kid with someone else.
She wants to take your rights away. She doesn't want
you to be around her kids anymore. And you go
over there and confront her about it and things, you
put them gun to her head again.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
No, just this past. What when was this Wednesday? Just Wednesday?
She told me, she was like, I would never do that.
I would never try to terminate your rights. And look
at the most recent test.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
The most recent tests say that she wants to be
she wants.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I sent I sent her something from TD Jakes. I
sent her something from TD Jakes for the injunction against you.
She never she never filed it.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
She was doing that.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
She filed it. She might have followed to dismissed it later,
but she followed for an injunction.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
I was supposed to file one as well.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
You didn't mention that earlier either.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I was supposed to file one earlier. I didn't mentioned
file filing the paperwork on the other stuff here.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
I mean, at the end of the day, what did
you think I was looking for it?

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I mean trying to see where I was if I had,
like just trying to see who committed them, who committed
the murder. I didn't even know that he was The
first starting point always is.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
You, the person closest to her, the person that's got
the most emotional tie. Tour understood, But because emotions can
lead to some pretty crazy things happening. Why does anybody
walk in this room that's married to so on or
has kids with some one that's just killed them.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah, but I lie about it. Yeah, but I haven't.
I haven't been over there. I have not been over there.
I'm looking for the same thing that you're looking for.
And it just seems to well.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
You can leave your phone at home and go do
something that makes it look like you weren't there.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
That's I mean, why in the hell would I do that?

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Why does anybody anything?

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Because if I were to go to her apartment and
if I don't have a KY or something on me,
I would need my phone so I can call him.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
That's like when I showed up today, the.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Name of this case is going to be in my file.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Daddy. That's not right, Daddy, that's not right.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
So that three year olds.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Lying on you too, My three year old, your.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Kids lying on you too. You've already accused me, your three.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Year old, and your two year old that from two
am until seven pm tonight or by themselves.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
You know why you got snatched up when you showed
up earlier. You know why those officer are snatched you
up so well, Because.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Daddy, I don't think that that is true.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
You don't think that. I don't think that my son
said that he did. God, I don't record an interview.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
I don't think that he said not.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Only that, but her entire for door, but those you've
held a gun through it. But I know you've been
violent to your past girlfriend. It starts with a why.
I know you've been violent with your past baby mama
with a five year old. Know you've been violent with
your own family to make your own mom trustpass you
from your grandma's house.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
I know that I haven't been violent against my mother,
and I haven't been violent.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Against her either, even when it came down to it.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
If you really look at the whole, if you look
at everything that.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
I am looking at everything. I'm looking at your history,
four different individuals that have all had issues with you.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Stuff with your car.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
When she put I'm talking about your car, you're just
skirting around. No, No, I'm going down the list. You're
making an excuse for you.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
I'm not making an excuse, but I'm telling the truth. Cool,
fuck your car. I don't care about your car. Tell
me why your three year old son said, Daddy not, No,
I was not there.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
I have not, I haven't been I haven't been in
Jacksonville's city lines since I left Mission point last week,
and my mother.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
You can call my mother and she can.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
You haven't been on your phone hasn't been. Well, more
time you have not been, or your phone hasn't been.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
I haven't been.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Why don't you have any location history on your phone
since July fourteenth? Why is it there up until July
fourteenth and then it's not?

Speaker 3 (41:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Just call my mom, I don't.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
We talked to your mom, all right, she doesn't know
what you did after eleven that night she.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Went to bed. I don't have a car.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Your dad went to bed. Well, that didn't stop you
from getting all around the time, all the time.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
July fourteenth was last week, right, that's the last time
you said you were there. Your phone shows that you
already knew that when you told me that that you're
deleted up till then. That's why you said that. No,
that's not why I said. You know, your phone wasn't
with you last night when you went over back over
there to confront her, to do whatever it happened.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
I had my phone next to me last night. My
phone was next to me point you left, No, I
didn't leave at all. Why would I leave without my
cell phone? Why would I leave without my cell phone?

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Because you knew what you were going to do?

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Serious?

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Why would I leave without.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
My cell phone? Why'd you leave with the block forty
three ye? I didn't even have a gun?

Speaker 4 (42:07):
How did that gun go missing in January? And then
a resurface on the same day that she's claiming that
you're holding a gun to your head, because that you're
taking a video of a knife that she threatened you
with on the same counter, with the same items that
the gun is sitting on, because you're claiming some big.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Coincident because she doesn't have a picture of a BB
She doesn't have a picture of a BB gun.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Right, She's got a picture of a glock forty three ye?
So same? How is that the same gun that went
missing six seven weeks ago when you talked about and
you held a gun to your head?

Speaker 1 (42:39):
I understand when tour got broken, I understand, But when
you talk about the staging of everything, people leave things
set up in a certain type of order on their
counters all the time. So I can't help if, like
I don't stay there, I don't I can't say if
she had green box or blue box. She some people
set that stuff up a certain type of way, and

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she was one.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Of those types of people. When it comes down.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Understand a big coincidence that this and just how silly
you sound right.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
On, I don't.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
I'm not in Jacksonville enough for a gun to be there.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
You're an educated man. We are too, Okay. The difference
is we do this for a living. You don't, so
we recognize when it smells like shit it's probably ship understood, okay,
understood your story in everything you said earlier. Did Okay?

Speaker 1 (43:31):
I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt,
but you failed to mention some pretty crucial stuff. I mean,
at the end of the day, tried to paint this
picture like y'all just had normal little arguments against verbal whatever.
That's not normal, I mean, but we weren't. Nobody was fighting.
We weren't putting our.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Hands pulling BB guns.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
What we weren't putting our hands and back and.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Forth the guns and guns.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, but even even in the text messages, she'll say that, yeah,
thank you, that, thank you. I'm glad that you want
a violent person because she knows that I would never
put my hands on.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
But she said she has PSD because of the things
that you've done.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
She would say anything.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
A gun to her.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
She was like, she would say anything.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Do you know what she said right before she got shot,
don't do this.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
I love you, damn.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Uh Do you know that that's a that's a part.
It's a three story apartment car with a joining walls.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
So if she said, you think no one heard the boom,
you think no one heard the door she got so
she had a guy outside of me. That's what you're saying.
But I'm saying you, I wasn't there. I wasn't there
Earlier I was believing you. I don't believe anymore. I
wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
That's the truth, cold bloody killer.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Well, we thought it was a heat of the moment,
maybe an accident, some kind of passion thing.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Because I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
What it was.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Because you're about to lose your family, you've been working something.
I wasn't one thing understand. I can understand how that
can happen.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
I don't understand family.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
It's a cold buddy killer that can shoot someone else
that loves them, that says, please don't shoot me, I
love you don't do.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
This and then leave.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
In a room for over twelve hours there find themselves,
goes back home and asks like nothing's happened.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
That's what I don't understand. That's the proof that I didn't.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
That's because I would never leave my two year old
and my I would never leave my one year old
and my three year old anywhere by themselves. And the
simple fact that I wasn't there show it shows that
she probably she was probably dealing with somebody else. I
haven't been there over a week and even and even

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when you look at my locations and everything like that,
because you deleted them. How can I delete my location.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
And everything for the last time you were there? What
you told?

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I didn't delete?

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Delete? What?

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Delete my location? How do you?

Speaker 2 (46:04):
How do you delete your location from your phone? Don't?
Don't you understand how many people sat in that very
chair and tried to run the same game you're trying
to run.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
No, don't phones link up to towers in certain areas.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Don't.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Don't the towers pick them up or something like that.
And you can tell the vicinity and stuff like that.
So I don't hide my location from my phone. Just
look at everything. Just just look at it, and you.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Came all the way over there knowing something was wrong
without THEI Kidi even getting the apartment.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Because if I knock on the door, I've been trying
to get in contact with all that.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Makes you believe she's going to open the door.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
No, but I called her mom. And when I called
her mom and I was like, hey, just tell me,
and her mom was like all right. And I didn't
hear anything from a mom. And I still got work
because I planning on really been in Jacksonville that much longer,
so I wanted to make sure everything was all right.

(47:05):
Once I got to the scene, I still didn't know
what was going on until you know, I asked you guys.
I asked different police officers, and they said that they
couldn't tell me what happened. Do you know what I
spoke to the tech though.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
She told her mom about you, that you were a
one person one minute and a completely totally different, violent
person the next minute. She was all the history that
shows that she was sitting the history with her.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
She would say anything, I can't really that's what no, no,
no no. But even in a text message, she's like
overly manipulative when it came down to you just walk
around with a BB.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Gun just because you might feel like going outside and
shooting peloton.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
No, no, no, I didn't. No, no, I didn't walk around
with it.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
I didn't walk around with it.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
But you just happened to have it when she's threatened
you with the knighte.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
No, it's one of the guys living on steps the
same day.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
No, no, not that.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
How did you just happen to have it to pull out.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
On her when she pulled a knife on because once
I took I think I grabbed it. You think I
think I grabbed it a while you prior to.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
That, you don't specifically remember having a pull a gun
on your own and get a knife pluck a BB
gun something that specifical. I mean it.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Was a bb gud. She I don't even think that.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
She there's a glock forty three x so she took
a picture.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
I'm saying, I don't even think that she knew that
it was a b B.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Goud until I said that you said that it was
spray painted, saying that now you said it had an
orange tip.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
No, I told you it was, and that one is
not a b you know, block forty three you can read.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
But no, but what you're saying about the glock forty
three X, I told you that she probably that's probably
an older photo. People change dates on those pictures. Just
so things add up. You had a gun at your house,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
I don't have that.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
God, Okay, are you good with us searching your house,
in your room and everything like that? Make like going something?

Speaker 2 (49:01):
That's fine, we can go. Now, where's the key ap
to the apartment? Uh?

Speaker 3 (49:06):
It's probably at home.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
I I was in a rush, but I know that.
You know, it's the daytime. I can you know, it's
the daytime. I can knock on the door or something
like that and run the doorbell. That's why when I
saw the scene, I called her. I sat there because
they were like, oh, we're not letting anybody else in
unless you're a true resident. I sat there for a while,

(49:28):
calling us to see if she answer the phone. So
I can kind of skip through.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
So when I go pul video from your parents' neighborhood,
what's it gonna show around on at midnight eleven o'clock,
one o'clock in the morning last night, what video the
video that's gonna be on several houses in your parents' neighborhood.
What is it gonna show? Is it gonna show any
comings and goings from your parents' house?

Speaker 3 (49:49):
After eleven o'clock, you see me on the porch. I
was on the porch.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
I was on the porch, like smoking a cigarette and
stuff like that, and I went to bed.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Who did you get the gun.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
To I don't have a gun. I don't even know
where it went.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
The BB gun.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Oh, the BB gun. The BB gun should have been
in her apartment. I mean something like that. I would
just leave it in there. I don't know what she
it could still be in there. She might have did
something with it. She might have gave it away. I
don't know the company that she keeps.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
I don't. I don't.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
I don't live in Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
So for me to try and sit and count who
she has around her and what objects she exchanges with.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
After you held this BB gun to her head, you
just left the BB gun there when you left, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
I did so.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
You made her think it was an Actually actually I
tucked it in a drawer, tucked the drawer up. It
wasn't draw It wasn't use to me like in the
not in the kitchen. I put somewhere high so kids
couldn't get to it.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Draws high.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
She They're like there was a drawer where it would
be like pots and pants, and there was another draw where.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
So the gun you wanted to make her think is real,
that she thought was real, that you helped her.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
She just she just she just she panied. She panicked,
She panicked. I tried to scare out because I knew.
I knew that she had that twenty two. That's like
with the twenty two. I saw that in her apart.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Man. I didn't take pictures of.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
That, but I knew she had it, and I just she.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
Would She didn't hold it to your head and threaten
to kill you.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
No, But what she would do is anytime me and
her would get into the arguments and stuff, she would
go and show her mother's stuff. So she would show
her mother's stuff. She would try to make it manipulative.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Don't don't do this. I love you, I love you.
Don't do this. Does words ring about it true? Well,
I wasn't there. That's not true. Is that what you're
gonna say when you're in a sitting in the court
room and her wasn't.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
I wasn't there.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
What do you think of Judge is gonna what are
you tell them this that, Oh yeah, I just found
BB gun. Oh yeah, I just happened to have the
BB gun with me when she threatened me here with
a knife. Oh yeah, she knew it was a BB gun.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
I just held me.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
Not the fact that on the same day that I
held a gun to her head, she sent a picture
of a glock forty three act not the same gun
that I know, me, not Harry me, not the same
gun that I said I had. I pulled a gun me,
not get pulled a.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Gun, but me not giving you details about the b
B gun. I would just say, yeah, I had a
BB gun on me. I wouldn't tell you, you know,
it's not a gun.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
It wasn't.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
It really wasn't. And that's the truth.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Even when you talk about my location from the last
didn't anyone else believe in that I wasn't there.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
I mean you were there. You just said you were
there when.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
I was there earlier today around six, But I wasn't
there last night.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
We'll talk about when you were holding the gun.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
To her head, when I held the b B gun
to her there when I held it out.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, I mean I was over there then. But I
think that she.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Thinks when you if you look at a picture of
that god and if you look at a bb god,
she wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
May women are in your rotation right now. Oh, I
deal with her and I deal with someone up norm
She found out about something. Something went wrong last night.
You need to tell us what you know. The police
got called out there very early yesterday morning, right around
the time this all happened. People heard things. Your own

(53:30):
son heard and saw things.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
H I mean, you've been in an apartment. You can
hear neighbors, especially I mean young shots going on and
doors getting kicked in.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
I mean, I'm just trying to think.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Especially if someone's laying especially if someone's laying on the
ground screaming. You don't have to do this. Dos you
don't have to do this. I love you.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Doors kicked in, doors kicked in, so it was a
forced entry.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
So it was a forced entry.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
You tell me you've never kicked her door before?

Speaker 3 (54:04):
No, No, because you're not.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Y'all are talking about the bedroom door that you broke.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
I mean the bedroom door. I didn't kick that.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
She and not out was like a push, and the
door was already the door was already messed up, and
I paid to get it fixed.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
But no, if and H in the bedroom.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
No, I never kicked her door, and.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
She she used to overlieve. You didn't.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
In a text message, when you're talking to a person
and when you're arguing, and when you send a.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Rebuttle back to them, you don't like.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
For her, she used to take the text messages and
show them to her mom. So if you look at
some of the messages, I used to have to correct
what she said. I stopped doing that because I knew
what I was doing. I knew that I had control
of the situation. I know that I know that I
would never harm.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Her, especially with me knowing that she was pregnant.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
I know that.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
I know that if I would have went over there,
if I was to go over there last night, it
would have been for me and her to probably it
probably would have been for me and her to kind
of get close. It probably would have been to have
intercourse or something like that. I would have went over
there last night, because as you didn't want to.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
No, she's been trying to get you out of her life.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
No, No, look at you no, no, that's not what
she recently said yesterday. No no, no no no no
no no, that's what she said tuesday to make me upset.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
If you look at what she said yesterday.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Yes, no, no, no, yes she did.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Look at no.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Yes, she read them.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I can show you. No, I can show you. I
can show no, I can show you today. No, I
can show you.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
I showed you a t a td Jake's text that
I sent her. She said that means that that means
you want to make the family work. Right right after that,
she was like, come home, and I had to straighten her.
I was like, I don't live there. That's not my home.
I'm out here. Look at the text and you'll see
that she wanted to make things work. She was upset

(56:06):
because I wasn't speaking to her. If I wanted to
make everything work out, I had dudes call and say, hey,
I want to come over there, Hey come grab me
or come pick me up.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Or the last three things she said to you was
nothing about coming over, says I'm happy you think this
is funny, or that I'm joking. Goodbye, I'm a stalker,
yeah goodbye.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
I told her she was at are not important none
of that.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Seems out there, and withheld all that information later because
you're like, let me see if these dumb, massive texts
are going to find all this stuff on their.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Life, and then I'll deal with that.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
And you had sat there spinning your wheels thinking about
all this stuff all day yesterday.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
So I told her she was a stalker, though.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
But now that we found all this out, now you're
having an answer for it. Why did you bring it
up earlier? Why am I even to confront you about it?

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Because you because I know that I didn't do anything
to her.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
But why would you not reveal the most crucial stuff?
Because when I'm asking me about violence in your history.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
When it comes to the privacy of my relationship, I
just I didn't feel like.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Are you rather protect the privacy of your relationship with
a woman who's dead, that has a fetus inside of her?

Speaker 1 (57:15):
I didn't even know that she had passed away to
help us figure out, I didn't even know that she
had passed away until I spoke to you guys, Until
you guys, until we sat at this table, I didn't
what did.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
You think we brought you down here for? Why did
you ask? I had to tell you no, I asked you.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Of course, yeah, you had to tell me because I
kept asking once when I got there, jso they said,
we can't tell you. It's an investigation going on. And
then another hour went by, they said the same thing.
On my way on our way, No, yeah, on my.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Way here they said the same thing.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
And then once we sat down, that's when you guys
were like, well, I mean I man, I was still
speaking like she.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
I thought she was alive.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
I was asking questions, even even when I was talking
to my stepdad on my way to on my way
there were.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
You just hoping that she was still alive because you
didn't know. Do you panic and ran out of there.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I didn't even go over there. I wasn't there. I
didn't know what happened. I I didn't know what was
going on. The first time I found out that something
happened to her was when we sat at this table.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
When we were at.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Since, I said, what's going on? I said, was it
a did somebody kidnaps aunt? Because I saw so much
tape everywhere. So at that point I just didn't know
what the hell was going on.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I didn't trying to lie with others. Man, it's not
gonna work.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
No, I did not know. I honestly, I said.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
I hear earlier. I listened, and I rolled with you,
and I rolled with you, and I rolled with you.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
I'm telling you that, I'm telling you the truth. I
wasn't there. I don't know what happened over there until you.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Guys told me. I didn't even know it was a
forced entry until you just told me that.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
I didn't even know that my kids were in the
land landing there when it happened, until you just told
me that. I didn't know that it was a murder
until you told me that I had. So I didn't
know what was going on until you guys mentioned what
happened for my kid.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Who knows, man, she.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Ain't got no other man in there calling three. If
you're still coming around, you don't other man. And there
she's got her kids calling daddy.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
I've had I've had her.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
She said to me one time that she wished she
had a daddy. She said that to me one time,
and you know, I started looking out for a little more.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
But she said stuff like that, daddy, daddy, she said stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
You don't you do this. I love you, I love you.
You don't have to do this. That's how she talks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Like she'll call a man daddy, she said to me.
She used to she was like that before I met her.
That's that's how she is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
And she's gonna let her three year old call another
man daddy, knowing that you still come around there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
M She only sees me once a moth if that.
I don't even s when I originally purchased it. I
think that I had bought it from Shooters shooters, Yeah,
but one day?

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
How long?

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
What year? When did you buy the boy drip?

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Like last year?

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
When you say like last year when I can't recall,
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I mean summertime might have been, could have been about
how long do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
You think you had it before you reported it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
I'm missing Maybe it's six or seven months, probably maybe longer.
I'm not sure. I would have to look at the receipt.
But when it comes down to it, I know that
I left it in her apartment one day and it
was gone after that, and I hadn't really seen it since.

(01:01:12):
And that was back in maybe January. I wasn't even
over there when I reported stolen, and she was trying
to look for it and help me find it stuff
like that. But I think that she had stolen it.
I think that she had a guy that she was
talking to on the side. And I said this to
her one time. I told her, I was like, you know,

(01:01:36):
whoever you're dealing with, they need to return my gun.
And she was like, I said that one time, but
there's no way to verify that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
But she told you last night you're not important, and
you didn't like that. You couldn't handle it. You went
back over there, and she didn't want anything to do
with you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
I didn't go over there, I said, I mean she
and I we would insult each other.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I mean, I know who I I'm comfortable in my skin.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
So she said worse stuff than that to me, and
I didn't budge or say anything. So at the end
of the day, on your face, no, because it's funny.
You know, it's funny when she said stuff like that
because she know, because she and I, she insult me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
I insulted her, and then we would gone by our
married way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Like you said earlier, you weren't really interested or didn't
really No, I still proud around and she was messing
with other people this and that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Because I can't I can't monitor that type of stuff
because if I stayed, if I stayed in Jacksonville and
I knew that I was gonna see her every day,
it would be different.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Because I can monitor that type of stuff. I can
clock it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
I can say, you know, you work from this time
to this time every day.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Why didn't you stay in Jacksonville? Why'd you leave?

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
I wanted better for the family.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
I wanted her to move. That was another one of
the texts we had last night, we were talking about
her moving up going.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
If you look at my phone.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
I just read all the way back to the twelfth again,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
If you look at if you look at the text,
there's a text from yesterday that said that I wanted
her meeting the kids to relocate up doing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
How were you gonna play that knowing that you have
a girl up the girlfriend love that you said you
had a girl up there?

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
You know you said you said how many chicks?

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Fo Yeah she was. I had a friend.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
But it's not like a girl who I go on
dates with. There was a girl who you know I
would socialize with every now and again. Nothing serious, no photos,
nothing public, no real dates. It really if you want
to talk about it. She's the only woman that I
was truly truly dating. But I have been I have
flirted with another female at the end of the day.

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If you look at the text, you'll see that I
chose to tell her. I told her that I wanted
her to move with me.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
I will see where you say, you trash your apartment
and pulled a knife, and then you got mad because
I grabbed my gun. And then she sends a picture
of the door completely shut her, not from just tugging
on the door like you said. And then you said
the only thing I broke was the door. True, So
I mean, that's contradicting what you're telling us now, and

(01:04:23):
then sends a picture of a block forty three X.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
I mean, yeah, but I look at it. You look
at when you look at the glock forty three X.
That's probably an older photo. I did, but I did,
but I did.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
Mention everything on the counter is the same is when you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
I don't know how she I don't know how she
set everything up on her counter.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
I don't know how that was. I'm serious, that's silly.
I'm serious. Even when it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
It's no, it's creative excuse.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
But seriously, but even when you look at how text
messages from yesterday, you'll see where I said.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
I prefer to move up north, and that was when
she said, well.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Yesterday she said goodbye, stop talking to me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Was no, that's not If you look at the trend
of our text messages, look at two text messages before that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
I'm looking at the ones where she's saying she was
said she was on her door. She was at the
ones where you said, no, I grabbed my gun and
where you said, yes, I broke.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
All that stuff is old and it was a b
B gun.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
And that was the last time I saw her.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
You didn't say I grabbed I grabbed a gun.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
A BB gun is the same. It's gonna say no,
it wasn't. No, no, it wasn't. And the last time I.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
Was dificult b B gun that you just found outside
and it's not it's not, it's not mythical.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
You're in her apartments, it's not there the whole permanent.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
You look at our text messages.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
How can you explain the BB gun being gone? It's
not there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
I don't stay there. The BB gun that you just found.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
Randomly, don't. I don't listen, maybe gun that you just
happened to have.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
I don't live there. I don't know who.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Three X that you bought last year, the block forty
three X that you reported stolen last year, not the
glock forty three X that you held to her head.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
I didn't, I didn't picture. No, I did not hold
a glock.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
I did not not thelock.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
I did not hold a glock forty three block forty
three X you shot her. I did not hold a
glock forty three X to her head. And I did
not have that gun in my possession the last time
I saw that gun, the glock was like in the
last time I really had found was a Torus and
it was a friend of mine. It was a forty caliber,
but I didn't need it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Why did you have that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Just?

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Just was that that was maybe like maybe like last week?

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
What was the front?

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Just a friend of mine?

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
What's his name?

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Shoot it Nick?

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
What? I don't know nick?

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Last name? I mean, it's just.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Where can I find that? I just got to verify
that you said last week? It's it's a friend named Nick.
Unless you hold it forty and you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Don't know his name, it's I don't know his last,
where can I find Neck?

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Uh? Probably on the news side.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
Somewhere on the north side. So how do you get
in touch with Neck?

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
It wasn't something that I was carrying. I'm just being honest.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
You said you were carrying it for a little watch
of forty.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Now, oh I'm not It wasn't on my person.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
But that's the last type of gundl. Who's let's let's
get this, let's clear this up. Who's neck?

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Nick is a guy out of the out of the neighborhood.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
What's his last name? I don't know what's his phone number?

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
How did you get in touch with him?

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Just being around?

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
I'll get around where I was at the park, you know,
my grandmother's house, the six six two to Kenlock address.
Just being I'm not talking about from No, I don't
get trespassed.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
The one you just told us that you since two
weeks ago, you haven't been in dow Wal County. You've
been down in Greencove or.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
In uh yeah, yeah, but now you're up.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
That was around the same time when you said his
last week, that was the last time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
I was just I'm being honest about My point is.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
Being honest about you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
No, No, my point, you're not.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
Going honest about it. You can't know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
I'm not making up anything.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Who is that my main point?

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Who is my main It's a guy in the neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
It's not just a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Random guy everybody in the neighborhood. I didn't I didn't
like carry it anywhere. But we talked about guns. The
last time I had a real gun around me was
when I held his.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
That's not what you just said. You said that he
was letting you hold for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Just said, yeah, he was just letting me hold it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
In earlier, I said that you had it for months, but.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
I didn't say I had team.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
I had I had my own full said you have,
I had my No, I had my own foot.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
So now there's another forty now that now that you
don't tell us who Nick is, Now that I'm calling
you on your bluff and you're getting no, I'm still ane.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
No, I'm telling.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
I'm not lying. I'm telling who's Nick.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
It's a guy in the neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
You if we sit at the parking something in the
gun back to he sat, I didn't care like I
wasn't carrying it around on my person. Get we talked
about get it back to him, explain it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
We talked about it. He was just showing it to
me and stuff like here, just hold it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
I was holding it, like just take it. No, I
didn't take it anywhere with me. I was holding it.
You asked me about a gun, and you tried to
say that the last gun I was around was a
glock forty three X. And I'm telling you that the
last you said the last gun you had, you said, No,
I said the last gun that I was around was
changed that after.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
I started asking about Nick. I said that you said
the last gun that you had was a forty that
your friend let you hold for a while, and earlier,
No I had earlier. Today you said you had it
for a couple of months.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
I had gave it back to your No I have.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Now that I ask you who Nick is, you said, Oh,
I didn't really. I didn't really hold it. I just
kind of I was next to it. And I don't
know my last name. I don't know where Nick stays at.
I don't know that. That's not when I know anything.
Every time we're confronting you with something, you're skirting around it.
When another it makes any sense, Hey, just take a

(01:10:23):
deep breath real quick. When is any of the when
you're you gonna realize that every everything you're saying is
just silly and it can't be it can't be substantiated, it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Can't be verified, and you're just you're.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Not being honest about it. You're not being honest about anything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
That we've said.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
The only honesty that we've said in here is don't
do this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
I love you, don't do this.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
You don't have to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
I don't know you, Daddy. The last Tours.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
If you look at my record of guns that I
bought with my own money, you see that I purchased
a forty caliber Tours from shooters Jacks. That gun is missing,
but I didn't report it stolen. I looked for I
didn't report it stolen.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
How long ago was that forty caliber?

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
I bought that gun like four years ago?

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
So you just told me you had was a forty
caliber Tours. So that he asked you, what happened yah,
the last Yeah, the last week? What happened? You said?
You gave it to your No, the last the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Last gun that I was. The reason I told you
that was because you tried to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Make it like The last gun that I had in my.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Possession wasn't two shots.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Why you shoot twice? Shoot who? Why two shots? I
didn't shoot twice.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
I didn't shoot her.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Fired two shots in the apartment last night? Why with
her the whole time?

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
How can you say yours is so calm and cool.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Because I'm being honest.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
I gave you two options earlier. I gave you the
path of emotional things went down, something bad happened. I'm
not a bad person. I wasn't living there and then
cold bloody killer. I'm gonna lie on my line. I'm
gonna protect myself.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
I wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Damn her, damn kids, Damn that I'm born.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
I just never hear evil. I love my children.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
This is pure.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
I love my children. I do anything for my kids.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
I would never leave my kids and I I would
never leave my kids alone by themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
I would never leave my kids unattended.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
You would do anything for your kids?

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Yeah, I do anything for my children.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
Would do anything for your kids. Nothing can separate you
from your kids.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
And why didn't you just sit home distance, stay here,
work and live with it? Because I started my life
up north. And if you look kids here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Yeah, but I was doing better than what she was doing.
I was the bread winner. So the best situation for
for us to have would have been for her to
just come where I was saying that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
But instead she wanted to terminate your rights.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
And she she was just talking crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
She wasn't just talking crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Times.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
I bread every single one of them. You just said,
you do anything from your kids. Nothing could separate you
from your kids. She was trying to separate for you
from your kids. And there's nothing that you wouldn't do.
So you made sure you and your kids are not
going to be spoke to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Her about that termination of rights. And if you look
in the.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
Text, in the text, it's not there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
I just said it times and you'll see.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
That because I'm going to bring up the text and
you're gonna story.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
And she wasn't serious about that. She wasn't she wanted
to get married. She was serious about that, not anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Not she just talked about She just said she wanted
to get married yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Not in the texts that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
You can't say anything.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
I'm just I'm just waiting, just wait what oh I
mean we were moving into my building.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
She says, you want to marry me. This is three
weeks ago. You want to know. This is in June.
This is over a month ago. You want to marry me,
but you keep me hidden. You moved up north, You
want nothing to do, You're not present.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
You didn't want to post her, you want to post her.
This was just her life that you wanted to have,
that little love.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
She wanted to get married, and.

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
She didn't want to get married. I just looked at it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
That that was her trying to say she was upset.
She said, you keep me hitting.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
I'd be upset to if someone held a block forty No, no,
I'd be upset to someone broke my door.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Next to anybody's head.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
And her saying that I keep her hitting, that's just
her talking about how she felt about my social media.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
She said.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
She said that though, because you keep saying, look at
the text, look at the text.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
I look at the text, and it's not saying this
is your phone, this is your text messages. That's not
a lot up with anything you're saying right now.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Everything that she said, when it came down to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
There's what's your fabrication?

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Everything that she said, even when she said something about
termination rights, I mentioned that to her.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
And she was like, you know, I will never do that,
and why she did?

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
She looked at the text and read it, and nothing's
making sense with what you said.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
I didn't have any reason saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
She and not just sometimes we just used to argue,
But I didn't stay with her.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
I didn't live with you arguing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
And it turned into a lot more than not, Len,
what do you mean it escalated the conversations about guns
being put in.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
The head even I mean your own admission, she pulled
on you more than once.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Yeah, but I'm not. You're just sitting there acting like
you did nothing wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
No, but I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
I'm not busting about it, because why did that type
of stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Why'd you pull a knife on you?

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
I was being nonchalant, I was being passive aggressive. She
pulled it out on me while I was holding my daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
No, no, no, no, seriously, report after report, even woman.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
No, but but even the first time I was holding
my daughter, I was holding her and she pulled the
knife out on me. So why because she was she
was upset and I wasn't paying her an attention.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
I was paying my kids more attention than I was
paying her, So.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
She pulled a knife on you because you're paying attention
to your kids.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
She was, yet she was fussing that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
She was fussing at me and arguing with me about something,
and I chose to ignore her.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
And so you pulled a BB gun on No.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
After she pulled a knife on me, and after I
set my daughter down and got my son and chick,
then I grabbed the BB gun.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
She didn't even know it was a BBus. She follow
you around the knife while you set your child.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Down, Yes, she did. She pointed it at me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Where was this?

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
It was like it was in a lack of book
bad it back. I mean I had like a I
had like a book bad. I had like a clear
book bag, and I had like a black book bag.
I keep like a laptop in when you were staying there,
you just happened to come over.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
No I didn't. I never stayed there, So you had.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
Just brought anytime for no reason.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
No, anytime I come in town, that's me visiting anytime
anytime I come into Why.

Speaker 4 (01:17:24):
Did you bring the BB gun over there?

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Cook?

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
My thing is, I don't reason why I don't have
a gun.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
Why did you bring the BB gun over there?

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
I found it in the complex. I can't I can't
remember a week, a month, a year. It was on
one of my visits, so.

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
You ca you take it up to up north with you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
No, you can't take guns on planes. That's why. That's
why I never carried a gun.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
So it was on that visit you found it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
I don't even have a gun.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
When why did.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
You bring the BB gun over there?

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
The BB gun was already over there, Okay, so now
it was already over there.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
Yeah, but you put it in your bag, wife.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
I mean, if I go outside, how many guns have
you bought yourself? Two guns? The tourist forty forty three
X bought both of us from shooters. Yeah, tourists four
four years ago approximately, you said maybe three years and
the forty three X was last year. Yeah, and you

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gave the tours to Nick. No, I didn't give anybody
that gun.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
You know, you guys when we talked about guns, I
don't know that gun.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
I don't know gun.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
I can show you a message where No.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
I don't want to. I want to know what happened
to the tours forty I'm thinking an answer.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
The question God's truth. I don't know one time, no
one time I was at of girls.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
Now, we don't need we don't need any more crazy
story taken.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Before it was taken, I said, And I didn't report
it when it was stolen.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
I said that when I was you know how this
one was about to tell me a lie because they
started off with honest, God's truth. No, I can.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
I can show you a Facebook messenger where I wrote
a person about it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
I don't want you to show me. I asked you
to tell me what did you do with the tours
forty caliber? Where is it?

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
I don't know where it's at.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
You don't know what happened, would have done that you
wasn't stolen?

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Or do you not know where it's at?

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Somebody stole it from a girl's house?

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
What girl?

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
A girl I used to talk to? Your name Ashley?
Her name was Ashley?

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
When was this? I can show you to click on
face that might have been ship It might have been.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
It was over a year ago, over year missing for
a while, so you so that was went missing, lost, stolen,
whatever whatever thing you're is coming up with.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
Yeah, before you bought the forty three X.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
I'm gonna go get you a show real quick. It'll
help you dig this hole deeper that you're digging.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
No, I'm just being faster. No, I'm being honest. You're
honest about when it comes down to the tours forty
what are you being honest about? I'm being honest about
it everything the tours forty one.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Listen, listen, I've been.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
Listening for hours. Man, you haven't told us anything.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
You just said when it came to the tours, the
forty caliber tours.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
The one that you missed, the one that you lost,
you know it was stolen, the one that Nick's got,
the one that you had for months, the one that you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Saw Nickies still. But when when I mentioned you don't
even know if it's no, but you know, But the
only reason.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
Is it stolen? Isn't missing? Or do you not know
what happened to it?

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
At first first it was missing and then it became stolen.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
I left for that at a girl's house.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
Do you know what happened to it?

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
I think somebody she was dating took it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
But she told me she didn't know where it was,
and she said that a Facebook messenger. On Facebook messenger,
she told me she said she doesn't know where it is.
She doesn't know who took it. She just knew it
was missing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
You just leave a gun at her house?

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
I left it by accident.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Of course that makes sense, of course, No, no, I did.

Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
What happened to the block Cort?

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
But you know a lot of stuff tonight, But you
don't know what happened to two guns. You have an
answer for it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
I don't say, really, I happened to where's your block
forty three?

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
I felt like she's your block forty three?

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
I felt like I can promise you that's not the
face I saw the mike. Let's cover that blood bullet holes.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
I felt like she stole it because you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
Felt like she did. Where did you leave it?

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
It used to be in her apartment, at her apartment. Yeah,
why did you leave it at her apartment? That was
when I had the reported stolen?

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
Did you live at her apartment?

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
I left Jacksonville in December, so at your parents house.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
I left it over there at her apartment because she
needed protection from my kids and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
But she's got her own gun.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
You said you had twenty two. I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
I didn't see the twenty two until March. I ain't
see twenty two tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Where's the twenty two? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
That's her stuff. I don't know the twenty two is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Tell me about okay, tell me about a time where
an incident was your fault. But no, no, no, no, no,
I want to hear what when was one of these
situations your fault? When did you do something wrong? When
did you start the altercation? When did you do something
that deserved the reaction?

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
The one thing that I did.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Was when I took the BB gun out. When I
took it out, and when it looked like I made
it look threatening. I made it look threatening.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
How did you make it look threatened?

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
I just made it look thre I made it look
like it was.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
How did you make it look threatening?

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
I mean I grabbed it and I was like this,
but what I grab Explain it?

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
You've been explaining so much stuff in detail. Don't shy away.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Here I was.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
I was holding it like where were you pointing that
a person's not used to me carrying a weapon, person
not used to meet seeing the gun in my hand.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
No, she was. You've purchased two guns. Did you buy
those guns to not carry them on you? No?

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
The first one with the Taurus, I slept with a
girl one night, and I didn't feel comfortable in her apartment,
and I took my firearm in there. But when I
left her apartment, I left the firearm there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
You went into her apartment, Yeah, you slept with her,
but you didn't feel comfortable. That was like a while.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
That was over a year ago, about two years ago,
so it's two years ago, was stolen? Maybe over a
year between. I kept asking, I threatened, So first it
was a girl you were seeing.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
Now it's a girl that you just which one is it?
Were you seeing this girl? Did you just have one
night saying no, No, let's let's dive into this because every
time you come up with the story, it's bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
No, I can tell you, to tell you the truth,
I can tell you, I can take you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
No, I can tell you the truth about that gun
with that forty tours ago?

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Was it two years old? I trusted her, trust her. No,
that's not the girl.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
The girl Ashley I don't know me told me, yeah,
me and Ashley.

Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
Where you said there was no girls in between your
baby mama, hold on, hold on, hold on. First, when
we started, you had your baby mama with a five
year old and then you had me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Girls. Me and Ashley were affiliated by friend.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
Were you seeing her or was it a one night
stand because you told us both.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
I don't know what She and I we had a
thing going on years ago and then we met back up.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
But you weren't comfortable with her.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
I just didn't trust where she stayed at. I'm not
gonna say I didn't trust her.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
I didn't trust one of your chips. No, I'm being honest.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
I'm being honest because the reason that I did know,
the reason that I didn't report that forty stolen, was
because I figured that if I put enough pressure on her,
she would give it back to me. So I told her.
I was like, I said, hey, if you don't turn
up with it, I'm going to report it stolen. If
I reported stolen, whoever has it they'll end up going

(01:25:08):
to jail.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
I ain't a street dude. This sent your life.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
You ain't a street exactly. I'm not a street dude.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
So your terrible life.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
No, I'm I'm being honest about what. If you get
honest about, I can show you the three.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
You can't show me a thing in here because everything
that you said in here is not true. It doesn't exist.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
I can show you the thread when it said with
messenger on it. Man man, I am man.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Put two rounds of that girl last night. Man up.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
I didn't man up. I really didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
You did I did, might have wanted to. I wasn't
even over there. You might hate yourself right now for
you said around all day thinking about I was never there.
We were going to come to you. I was your brain.
I'll go to them.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
I was never if I go over there, if you
would show out, you know, if I would have known
that anything took place, I would have went straight to
her mother's.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
You knew we were gonna know I wouldn't you.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
No, I would have went to her mother's house this
whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
You've been trying. This is a game to you. It's
not lie your way out of this. I'm not lying.
Let me show up as a concerned father. Without I
would know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
I would have went to a mother's house if I
wouldn't also asked about your kids.

Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
You were here for hours before.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
You even asked.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
I did ask about them, not until we.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
Brought them up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
No, I did want you called her mom because you
knew what would happen.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
One of the main reasons I couldn't ask about my
kids was because I didn't know what was going on.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
I didn't know any You just.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
Said you asked about your kids, and now you said
you didn't ask about your kids.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
Yeah, but pertaining to you guys knowing what my and
me knowing where my kids are now, I did not
know that anything but.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Call her at two o'clock in the morning knowing she
was dead. Why did you call her?

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
That guns the shooters at the same time or where
they did you buy them at two different instances.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Two different instances. You said the tours was a few
years ago. How about Nick?

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
You said Nick ended up with no. No, No, he didn't
end up with my tours. He didn't have my tours,
didn't have my.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
We're talking about two separate tours.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Yes, that's what I was saying.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
I was saying.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
The last time I was around a real.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Gun outside of that Glock nine was when I was
around a Torus.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
So that's what I say. You've bought two guns within
the past few years that you purchased personally. You can't
account for it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
You say you don't know where they are when one
of them my reports stolen the other one with the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Teen You have a picture of a forty three well
with the forty caliber, and then there's a separate towards
forty caliber. Some dude named Nick from the neighborhood just
let you hold onto and then you don't know what
happened to that one either. He just gave it back
to him.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
I mean, I didn't even really carry it around.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
I just said that because I just wanted to be
honest about the last time I had a real gun
in my presence. I probably shouldn't even mention it because
it's not something that I had on my person.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
I don't listen.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Listen, I don't live in Jacksonville, so I don't have
a reason to have a weapon on me.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
I don't have a reason to do anything like that.
And then I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
I can't fly with.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
A gun, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
I can't take a gun on a flight, so you can.
I just did it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
I mean, when you have your when you have your.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
I showed up at Mischian Corn Apartments maybe around six
and I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
My stepdad gave me a ride, And why did you
come over?

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
I came over to make sure that everything was alright,
like I hadn't call.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
I called to Sheika, I called about shit. I called about.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Fifteen twenty times, and then I sent a text to
a mom when whenever she did you.

Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
Talk to your mom or your sister?

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
I spoke to my sister earlier, maybe around four o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
She was taking my son.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
She was taking my five year old back to Charlotte.
When I called her, she was like two hours.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
Did you expressing your concerns to your mom or your sister?

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
I expressed concerns to my sister because my sister and
till she could they kind of get along.

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
So did they express any concerns to you?

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
No, So I you know with my sister, Jaitanjula, you
know her until she could kind of get along. So
I was like, hey, you know calling me if she
see your lumber, she'll call me a or do something.
And I kept calling her and that was when I
text her mom to call her mom.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
And then that's when I showed up out there.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
When I showed up out there, that's when I saw
the scene and nobody wanted to let me know what.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Was going on.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
There's a there's a fact that I've presented several times
a night. That technic. Kelsey has also that you've seen
to just gloss over like you don't daddy shot Mommy.
I mean you haven't attempted to try to explain, like
at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
No, no, no, I mean at the end of the
day son, that's my son and us men.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
You were just no us men.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
We take things like it's serious, but I don't know
what she does when I'm not around.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
That's why when I'm up north, when I'm a thousand
miles away, I try not to get too jittery about
that type of stuff because if you're somewhere so far
away where you can't catch a fly and get to somebody,
a personalt lose sleep over that. So I got used
to not you know, once you with the person that

(01:30:27):
you guys have solidified the relationship, some things get swept.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
Under the road.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Are you solidified? Oh? I mean that doesn't Those messages
of conversation she wants she.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
Wanted to get married, and I wanted to get married
to I want to get married just solidified.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
You just called the relationship solidified?

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
She saying?

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Bye? That's what we thought.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
We both talked like that to each other, but at
the end of the day, we never mean it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
If you look at the last thing she said to me,
she said, you know, I said to something I was
talking about, you know, how they how a woman.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
We were talking about women and men, the difference in.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Running household or something like that, and she was like,
does that mean that you finally want to make the
family work or does that finally mean that you want
to get married. She said that to me yesterday around
for something in the afternoon, and I didn't respond.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
And today she's dead. I wish that I had responded
to her. Now you've listened, Now go to your thing.

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