True Crime Interrogation： Obsession, Murder & Deception

True Crime Interrogation： Obsession, Murder & Deception

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to your top true crime hob for the variety
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Enjoy If you want.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
To sit right over there, sir, and I'll bring your
water and just on there. You want to bring those
bracelets out here, so we'll put them on a.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Little back for you too.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Okay, cold, we got coutu sun money.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
How you doing. I did the most horrible fucking thing
I ever did. Yeah, you know what your name is?

Speaker 5 (00:37):
James, right, Tom, Jim, This is Tom. We're gonna help
you to help you get through this, Okay, gotta read
you a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
You give me a dum Ball County, bring you back
to Wee County.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Do whatever you want.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
Okay, all right, we're in a secure facility. Okay, you
understand that right, So as such, we have to read
your rights and make sure you unders and let me
do that figure out and then we'll have a discussion. Okay, Yeah,
all right. You have the right command silent. Anything you
say can be used against you in court. If you
have the right talk to a lawyer for advice before
we ask you any questions and have them with you

(01:13):
during question. If you cannot apporte a lawyer. One will
be appointed for you before any questions if you wish.
If you decide to answer questions without lawyer, President, you
still have the right topics in questions at anytime. You
also have the right to topics being questions anytime.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
It's a talk to lay. Do you understand each of
those rights?

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yeah, James, And with those rights in mind, will you
still speak with me now?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah? I appreciate that. So, like I said, my.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
Name is General, this is Tom.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I just want out of the Walk County please, and
for what reason? I just don't want to be here? Okay?
So what happened? What brought you here? I don't know? Argument?
And when did that happen? Too much ago? Okay? Right?

(01:57):
Too much ago? Right? Fucking stupid m M mistake? You
have money and uh I bogen with uh? With what im? Okay?

Speaker 6 (02:24):
And oh I loved him, I really did cared about it.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
And uh, let's show you where? Okay? So did she
pass away from those injuries? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:53):
And you said you show us where.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
You don't desire.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
I understand. I appreciate your honesty.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Give me out of here, get me out of here,
give me back four, give me the four myers And
I'm mad you please, I don't want to be into
a Bull County.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I understand. I'll take you. I'll take you. I'll show you.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
I understand, understand this.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
We don't have the ability.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
We're from Fort Myers, we're in Jacksonville's jurisdiction, and.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
We have to work with them.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
Okay, So these things take a little bit time, but
we're gonna we're gonna take care of that. Okay, we're
gonna be here. We're gonna help straighten this out.

Speaker 6 (03:38):
So I don't think it's gonna be straightened out, but yeah, whatever,
whatever's gonna.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Happen to happen, right, So ready to deal with it.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
Okay, I appreciate honesty. So a couple of days ago,
you guys had a dispute and then, uh, where is.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
She in the field? Okay? About there? I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
Such a panic, Briar Cliff. Okay, do you know across street?
I mean it's not the biggest road, but it's still
good sized properties out there.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, I don't exactly know the name of the road.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
So walk me through where you drove. First of all,
how did you get there?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Okay? And that car is describe that car to me.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
H h rr red hhr as a. And you drove
that car from where from her house? And her house
is where September?

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Okay, and you.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
Guys have been in an romantic relationship or just a friendship.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Or romance seeing where it was going to go right
right right? The not a lot of.

Speaker 7 (05:10):
Yeah, okay, Well, so you.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Guys had the dispute.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
The incident occurred at the residence we're at inside the
residence in.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
The bedroom, the living room bedroom. Is that her bedroom
for the als? Yes?

Speaker 5 (05:31):
And where from there? Did everything transpire in that room?

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (05:37):
Okay, And I know it's difficult, but it's part of
this process. Explain to me what happened.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
She told me she wanted me out. Oh yeah, just
lost my mind or a hammer.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, the hammer was on the table. We were using
the hammer to put lights up around it. Yeah, it
was a little uh led jobs. Yeah, I don't know
how the funk I was thinking, Man, okay, really don't,
but I know what they did.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
You picked it up, are you right handed or left?
Which handed you pick it up with? And then what happened.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
In that body in the head, and then.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
How many times I don't know, that's track more than
one more than ten possibly, okay, and then what happened
right after that?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I don't know. A coup a couple of cups coffee
and m hm, I'm just looking at me.

Speaker 8 (07:09):
M m hm.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
You're doing the right thing, okay, Yeah, sorry, I want
no trial, want that battlety.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Well, we don't. We don't do that. I don't really
know that, but we're not. We're not the jury here.
We're gathering facts. That's that's all this is.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
So after this transpired, you took her somewhere in near Briarcliff. Yeah, okay,
And did you put her into the car right away? Yeah,
we're at in the car in the back, in the tailgate.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
And then walk me through where you drove.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
I'll tell you where the car is right now, as
long as you like, Jerry, get my things at her
car and you can have the car.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
Who's Jerry, Jared Jedd Gerald.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
D Coles one three two seventy five, Trumpy Eegert drive.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
That's right here, Jacksonville, off of Padges.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
And before we get there, I want to get what
items you want us to give to her?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
How did you get.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
From Apollo to Briar Cliff?

Speaker 7 (08:35):
What route did you take when you left the community.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yes, when I let's see what you're going to do.
Well with that? Gladiols to Michael c Rat.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
Back in their Michael g rip and you turned turned right.
So if you're right with Briar Cliff hip Cliff, yeah,
and here here's forty one.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
So if you're if you're if you're going down forty
one to make the left going.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
To Briar Cliff, okay, okay, com with either and then
you continue around the curve.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Thought a part.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Five miles six miles back. Didn't do that, did you cross?
Michael g Rip?

Speaker 5 (09:29):
Yeah, so he took Michael g Rip to brider Cliff,
turned the left, went down Briar Cliff through the curves
all the way to the end. Did you reach to
the roundabout the end? There's a roundabout all the way
at the end of the prior cliff.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then what happened with two
quarity car You knew I didn't want it to do that.
And then fucking yeah, where'd you clear? She's right in
some trees. I'll take you right now, I'll take it

(10:06):
right now.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
I'll show you the left the hut after after you
took her on the car. You put her down? Is
she covered in and brush or grass or anything? She
has a bike and wrapped around there nice week? Okay?
What color? White? White? Okay?

Speaker 5 (10:28):
And mother you can okay? So after that, what did
you do after you got her out of the car?
A motherfucker went back to the house. I was just
gonna take the dog, left the dog, cleaned up a little.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Bit, and then anywhere to go. They knew, they knew
it was over, you know the fun. I ain't got
a gun. You should have hung myself. I should have done.
They should have know.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
What what did you end up doing after you drove
back to the house? And then what from from there?
I mean, obviously just drove run circles in the county.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Or got on seventy five, drove up here, drove back down,
drove back up there?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
I am.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
Did you take any goods or any valuables with you
from her house or from her or did you just
dry trow?

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Okay? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (11:44):
And did you stay the night anywhere or stayed the
night at Jerry says, So you drove straight from for
Myers through seventy five to Jacksonville, obviously cut over a
what was it, don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
What I was thinking. I drove if I uh, what
the fuck did I do? After? Yeah? I drove. I
drove up here.

Speaker 9 (12:13):
To get the title to the Harley. You guys know
about which which is at Hurricanes and Justin Imranni wanted
the Harley.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
They wanted Harley for a while and Harley was at
the shop five nine dollars.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I told Justin, Justin pay the bill, give me two grands?
What was he gonna mon? Here?

Speaker 7 (12:42):
It's probably go if I don't shoot myself. Did you
did you stop.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
Anywhere on the way up from Port Myers to to
up here?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Gay stations?

Speaker 7 (12:54):
It's it in fact they dump by anything, That's what
you're asking. Did you stop in Sarso?

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah? Okay? And what did you do when you were
there store? Okay? What did you pawn? Polled? Where they
pull like pulling a few things? Where did they pulled
pulling a few things? Where did you get those things?

Speaker 5 (13:20):
Where did they come from?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Rain and a little drinking? Mm hmm, see it? And
where did you they come from?

Speaker 5 (13:29):
Were they on the house, they were on her person?

Speaker 2 (13:33):
They were at the house. Okay, all right? And then
you pawned those in sarzoa, Yeah, Gold Coast or whatever
he was, Yes, and then continue to drive up here
stay in the night with how do you know, Jared?
She was my uncle Tom's wife. Okay, so she's a

(13:54):
relative or my marriage.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
And is there any items inside of that residence that
you brought.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
With you up there that I brought with me from Fort.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
Myers, things from the Apollo house.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Or the corals. I'll play with the corals right now. Okay.
Where the coral is on Hodges? It's in the church.
So your best tropic Ebert's in the church. H Okay?
Is the hammer in the car? Where's the hammer? The

(14:35):
hammer is? Uh, I don't know. It's in that.

Speaker 7 (14:39):
Field in the field with yeah, okay.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
Is there any other items there? You'd mentioned that you
cleaned some things up. Did you clean the hammer?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
No?

Speaker 5 (14:55):
Was there anybody else with you?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah? That's where that dude, you know what I mean?
Wasn't playing or anything like that? There was no. You
don't want to mean, okay, play was crying, my fucking assle.
It's that thing with the house at the house quarter

(15:21):
and Arcliffe. Who gets the funk up? If I show
you a photo, can you or did you show me. No, no, no,
I'm gonna show you a photo of the items. The
items in uh sicht of I think there are not.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
Just want to make sure that the items never pawned
are accounting for. Okay, and her mother deserve her mother,
and her mother deserves.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
I love. Don't just watch your temper? What's my fucking temper?
Does that happen often? Do you a problem? I know
you you you've lived in the Port Mars there for
a while, right, and if you work down on Santaval,
that's a problem. Okay, just be gating. Yeah, and the

(16:38):
work situation wasn't wasn't market happy? Now what work were
you doing? Do? Try traving and ship?

Speaker 1 (16:45):
And I was sure you can sell this wholely and
just go back fishing commercial fish and the gate may.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
And uh, I don't know, man, I just dennalant, this
just just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Put a lot of effort for the last what's denver October, November, December, January, February.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
You know, I put a lot of six months. Yeah,
I know she's uh, well, what did she say was
the reason that.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
You know she was gonna have already a fucking friend
Shelley or whatever her name was, or with the other
chicks Sue Borrow, Massachusetts drug addicts fucking hit the mat
the whole a lot. I don't I don't drink a
smoke pot. I don't drink drugs. I don't know drums, you.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Back in the day at that land up, I don't
drink alcohol. The more the smoke pot she had her
she had her cord, so.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
We always use that pot. And how did you meet her?
I met her on the beach in four months?

Speaker 5 (17:55):
Okay, she started more or less she stopped.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
You can girl didn't carry compassion.

Speaker 5 (18:06):
So this wasn't something that you'd planned out.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
It was just happening.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
Has this happened ever before?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, I had a big Yeah, I got my record.
I had no I mean with her, no, no.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
And I have never had any fucking altercation. I have
not raised my voice door. Her mother's an eighty three
year old pickful that I'm gonna have on my life
for the rest of my life. No, we never got
to screaming matches or nothing like that. I kind of
got pissed off because I heard her talking on the
phone whispering you.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Know about me? That did that?

Speaker 1 (18:49):
You know my he's five eighty nine and he's gonna
need a couple more weeks to fucking pull the money,
and I'll, you know, put him in a shelter.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
That's when I heard a shelter. I don't know. Yeah,
And what day was this? What's today? Sunday?

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Today's Monday, twenty first, Sunday, Sunday, Saturday?

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I guess what Friday? Saturday? I don't know the whole day, okay.
So was it nighttime or daytime? Okay, so we're talking
Saturday evening? Say yes, that would be.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
The eighteenth, yes, okay, and that's when this event took place.
Did you use any other items to strike her, any
items to cut her? The injuries that she sustained.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Were all by you, and they were all with the hammer. Okay.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
I just want to make sure that there's there's nothing
else that we need.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
To, you know, before, be aware of.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Now, Okay, do you recognize those items?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah? Okay, wedding band that are uh in a trick? Kay?

Speaker 5 (20:19):
And the band is the large gold heart. Yes, and
that's the item that you removed from her.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Or from the No. I didn't remove it, did did?
In the hay in the hay got broke, and it
got the chain broke.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
Okay, where's the chain? I had no idea you didn't
pawn that. And then these two items you pawned in Sarasota. Yeah, okay,
if you would just sign your name at the top
and if those are the items that you pawned, just right,

(20:57):
items pawned. Today's date is twenty one twenty two, if
you'll put that on your name, or.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Twenty one twenty two, and then it is ten pm. Appreciate.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
There's no other items that we need to look horn though.
The motorcycle is in your name or Gerald Gerald, okay,
but it's your motorcycle, yes, okay, and it's that Hurricane cycle.
Was that released to anybody? Oh, they wouldn't release it.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
They wouldn't release it because supposedly when Ronnie got there
Brantley guys who had already been there discussing about the bike.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
Okay, so we'll be wrong with the bike. The bike
had a blown head gass, and you contacted who justin
Wilson and Ronnie and Roddy's last name.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I don't know Ron's last name, but they don't know
nothing about that.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
That's what I'm wondering, how are they aware of the
bike being for sale? Because I've worked with the guys, okay,
so I knew they had the cash. Justin had the cash.
Rodny was looking for a bike, and that's you know.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Did you put it on any type of social media
or on the internet. You just word of milk. You said,
buy this bike for me. I dropped it off there.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Ronnie told me to bring it to the Hurricanes because
he that I think he's an old egg. And he
gave me a good price and five hundred and nine dollars.
I told Justin Justin ton be too gray and looked,
bike is yours?

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Okay? Where did ron fit into this? Ron? And Ron
is Justin's mechanics.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Wilson Landscaping invested owns Wilson Landscaping, and Ron is his mechanic.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Did n then youthing to do? Well? They had enough
moving on my kid's size. They had nothing to do
with anything. So it was only only only me. Nobody
else was present on my kids eyes.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Only me, okay, nobody, just me. If I could take
you everything punting back and I said, go to show
you're grant what you did horribly.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
I wasn't wrong I was, I didn't have anything. I
knew this was the end. Vln. I didn't you know
what I mean, you didn't deserve this. Yeah, well that's
I agree. So when you were running, as.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
You just said, you were going from Fort Myers to
Jacksonville because that's.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Where Jerry lived to get the title, to get the
title to the bike. And she knowsn't even now, she
don't know.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Okay, did you bring your belongings when you got to
Jerry's house yesterday I'm assuming sometime, and you spent the
night roll in the car. Still your stuff's still in
the car that car. Is there any items inside of
the house in the house, yes, just old.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Just stuff that I've been collecting for like fucking thirty years.
I mean things that you brought with you for four mirs. No. No,
my bag of toilet trees. Bag of toilet trees is
in her bathroom. So if you want to write that.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
Down, well, I'm just put together the list the things,
like you said, you wanted to get out of there. Yeah, okay, yes,
So the items that are inside of the house, you
took them from the car or you said you parked
the car where.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
The cars and that church parked a lot on Hodges okay,
and then you took toiletries.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
I just took my toilety bag and that was it.
As far as like, you know, my black Sea bear bag.
There's an all orange guy cotton. Uh, their dry bags,
their dry bags, you know what I mean. They're commercial fishing,
and it keeps it a gotcha. But you're more of

(25:17):
a welcome to go through anything and everything you want.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
What did you do with the money from the point
one hundred and four dollars with gas? Totally got.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
You?

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Put it into the tank. Yeah, I don't have any money.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
Did you take any cash from from our house?

Speaker 2 (25:34):
No, there was no no cash. That is it? Oh
my god?

Speaker 5 (25:44):
I appreciate your honesty. Is there anything that we haven't
discussed that you want to tell me now? In reference
to the situation still a situations You've never heard anybody
else like that camper from.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Me wound up selling the fucking Taking the title to
the camper.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Worked my assole. She was like a fat cat and
I did. Yeah, she took my mother wouldn't clip the
title into her name at the time.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
Who's Stacy Stacy maguire?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
And excuse me? Is she related to this situation happened
a couple of years ago, and what happened with her.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
She she wound up taking the title that was hidden
and wound up sending the title to her boyfriend and
Elizabeth John Shamati, and they flipped the title and come
to realize, when my mother finally said that she would
put the camper in her name, the title was gone.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
And she threw up pot alcohol be at me and
uh we had a.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Home digger, you know, home there beer up a little bit.
She three particle off you at me? I did I
did a year up here in Jacksonville?

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Did she die? No?

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Okay, so this was an incident that you've already served
time for the battery by anything in Fort Myers.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Okay, all right, does Jerry know that you're here? Well,
the cops knocked on the door. Okay, she was there.
She was there.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
Okay, all right, Okay, sit tight, we'll be back in
a minute.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
You have water, diffic, bathroom anything.

Speaker 10 (27:45):
If we show you on a map of where she is,
can you show us?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah? Okay, So so here's Daniels.

Speaker 11 (28:09):
Let's let's uh if you go if you're going down Gladiol,
so you turn on Michael c red You come to
that light, you hang a left, go go go do them.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
There's curve right. I'm my glasses are totally bombed. So
you go down your chos are you obaid? Have my glasses?
The cop has my glass? I'll go get a point.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
So you went there, you made the left and has
its like a curve too sharp curves.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Did you ray turn on pebbles, the South pebbles or whatever.
There's like no outlet that says South.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
Pebbles, South Pebbals Okay?

Speaker 3 (28:55):
So did you get made a right on there?

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Right on south? Okay?

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Did you go to the end, followed that all the
way around to where like like I said, if you're
going out of Eco Road.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Okay, and there's like a canal? Yeah, did you make
it to the canal? Now? So you were in this
or you come around that corner and there's the canal? Right?
There is that where you're talking about. And you come
and then there's like the that dirt road. Yeah, there's
South Pebbles.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
You've turned on there from Briarcliffe.

Speaker 12 (29:27):
You went to the end and it goes into a
dirt road and then it goes to the canal and
that canal is pretty deep. You didn't cross that canal, right, Okay,
So she's in the trees just near the canal.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
She's a little she's a little passed up the road,
a little.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Bit down the dirt road. So I don't know if
you can see like that set of trees right there.

Speaker 12 (29:53):
This is South Pebble where this is the South Pebble Lane,
and then it goes into a dirt road right here.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
The dirt road that goes like where they like she's
she's I can't be able to get your glasses really, yeah,
I mean I could point it out the right now. Yeah.

Speaker 13 (30:16):
Yeah, there's like a there's a house right there, but
there's like a big tree lot right here that's pretty dense.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Here's this canal.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
That's the canal from where from.

Speaker 13 (30:29):
Briarcliff or yeah, this is Briarcliffe and then the canal
runs this way.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
That's the train. Is that train or I'm just like
I can't really see.

Speaker 13 (30:41):
Yeah, this is Briarcliffe and this is the canal that
comes to Briarcliff that people fishing.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, so if you went around right, you went down
petals and then what is it fire dragging or fire,
something in the road.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
You know what I'm talking about? Broken Arrow, dragon Fly
or flying Fire? Who is.

Speaker 14 (31:19):
Are you gonna be taking me back to Lee County
or now? Yeah, you're gonna end up going back to
Lee County. I don't know if it's gonna be tonight though.
We have to do the logistics on all that.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah. I don't wonder out there anymore.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, if you want, you're don't want to be coming
and finding or you know, a kid or something.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
I forbid you know.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna go out there and we're
gonna pick up tell you.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
Exactly, you know, yeah, thank you, it'll help you out.

(32:13):
So this is going to be the very end of
Briar Cliff.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
That's the leap. Did you make it all the way
that far? Yeah? But where's the leco road?

Speaker 1 (32:22):
This go?

Speaker 15 (32:23):
This dirt road goes, that's the way in. But I'll
show you it's South Pebble now, yes, it's South Pebble.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
And then you go back to South Pemble and then
then what is it dragon Fire or whatever that road is.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
I think that's the last roadback. There's Pebble and Dragonfire.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Dragon Fire, So you follow Dragon fire around so that
and then it turns into dirt road. You come around
that bend and there's the there's the fucking things soon
roads right up here a little bit.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
What I'm going to do is have a better map printed,
because so we're clear understanding.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
This phone that was with you, is this your pe okay?
So this is your case and this was the one
that you had with you. Does anybody else use this phone?
Just yours? Okay? And did you shut it off while
you were driving? Okay?

Speaker 5 (33:28):
So the way it works is we don't just simply
drive you back right now, okay. We have to speak
with law enforcement here to facilitate all of that and
work with them because we're here now.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
We have to verbalize things to the judicial system and
then have you take him back down there.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
We're gonna have to go and speak with Jerry. Okay,
like you requested to get those items, the toiletries, even
though they see minor want tool, we'll collect that. And
then the car, the car, he has the keys, the
cop has the key, and that's car registered to her,
it's not it's not to her mom.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Okay. What about the plate for that car, the license
plateneath the front seat. Okay, was it there the whole time?

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Now, just cheff Today, I put a sign, license plate stone,
and then I put the license plate.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Just I have all my clothes everything back in that club,
in that car.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
So I just so the items inside of it earlier
years they can go back to four marks, because ultimately
that's what we'll be.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
We'll end up in four.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
Marks, all the stuff, everything, everything.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
And that's why I keep going over things with you.
I want to make sure we do it now because
it's a long trip. Okay, okay, So that's all I
send to do is get a.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
A bigger map, a little more zoomed out, so that
you can show us exactly where and then we can
start verbalizing things to law enforcement. Tampion Monday nights. Monday
night at Tampion.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
You guys drive here, why I kind of use to
you can't kind of dragon your road?

Speaker 1 (35:25):
This is?

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Look is there's south.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
So Mac would be traveling along this way on the
pop and then you would you would turn this way
to come down.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
So what Leo would be down here?

Speaker 1 (35:45):
There's she's she's somewhere over here. If you go down,
if you if you go where I'm telling you. You know,
there's that dirt road that goes around how to like
a legal road.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Okay, you know what do I know?

Speaker 5 (35:58):
There is one road to that actually around the extreme
the constructions there, the big I don't know what exactly
what are you talking.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
About now, I don't think that's.

Speaker 15 (36:08):
See, that's why we're being particular Dusty Road, just to
make sure I think it'sists road right here.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Dusty Road comes across, it comes out this way into the.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Industrial park, totally company. Yeah, she like right off of
that road, that dirt road.

Speaker 16 (36:26):
Yeah, she's very side, on the right side. If you're
going out towards Aliko, she's on the right side. Okay,
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
M h m hm, m m m hm. So we
got the money pace, Actually I don't even have that yet.

(37:13):
Even have that yet. We have to talk to them
and find out what you have here so that can
be addressed because they check you out. And then well,
I'll be straight with you.

Speaker 5 (37:24):
You know, you've been very honest and forthcoming, and I'll
tell you exactly what we're looking at and what's going
to happen as soon as I know. I don't want
to say something that's not true. Okay, we we have
a lot of work to do, though. I have to
go see the car and Jerry in the house and
go through all those stuff. So we'll work together through
this and I'll share the information as as I can.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Do nothing myself until until I met.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
With you. With the shrif preface, I mean, I mean
the he's an apartment here because gonna.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Disappear and leave her out there. I can't believed what
he did. She doesn't deserved it. But we're gonna, we're
gonna make that part of should be.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
A ful woman. And she's a good woman.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
She was just you didn't know her from before, just
met her down on the beach.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
She sure, honest, he's the best policy. I never heard
anything from her, I didn't hm hmm. And it was
just a surprising to hear her say the shelter. Yeah, yeah,

(38:44):
the mother. You have a weird shelley. M my gosh, man, yeah,
should have just left.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
So the one road that does go through where the
construction company is and all that is Dusty two bucks. Yes, yes, Dusty.
She's under a couple.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, she's wrapped up on the blanket and I have
a couple uh poms on hers.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
And you set off to the right side.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
So you just pulled the car over to the right, stopped,
and then open the hatch down into the swale more
or less. And the street before that is called green Acres.
That's the one I think that runs into Pebble. But
when you said pebble, that's what I was struggling with,
because Pebble kind of ends before to.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
I mean, you come around that bend and there's the
there's the canal, you know, the canal, so you bunk
out one. So what you're describing to me, it looks
like exactly like this green acre. Yeah. Yeah, there's not
drying exactly.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
So the green acre is the curve here that you
stopped at, or the curve here that you stopped at
day This curves over here some over up dusty Road.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, because that yeah, when you left here, keep going out. Yeah,
it went out that way. He went out to end
up on Lego. No. Interesting, I don't think we have
that on here. Yeah, tide the car.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Nine miles an hour and towing a bank across my
mind a couple of times, hang myself, go to picking
penny and are the other fucking hose?

Speaker 2 (40:54):
And uh, but you didn't deserve that. I need to
take my hand to do that.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Low low life before I gave you guys the answer,
m hm, I knew it wasn't anything.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Well, well, so I don't know. I don't feel good
about it, but I'll be over it, okay.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
And like I said, I'll be honest with you as
soon as I get caught up on all the other
things that we.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Got to go and do, you'll have you here.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
Don't don't uh, don't wrap the blanket around your neck
and do things like that.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Okay, that's that's not gonna not gonna fix things.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, you have family, Yeah, charedy So Chared did know nothing,
and neither did run No, none of that.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Just nobody noting Jerry doesn't have TV. I wound up
going out and buying an antenna today, just so, where.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
Did you find an antenna for a television? Went to
home more because she doesn't have cable no more. Oh,
I know what you're talking about. The one plays into
the However, they expended you get you a couple of channels.
So she was like, can you go get me an
antenna and show me how to do it?

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Works? What we did this morning?

Speaker 5 (42:29):
It works, got a couple of channels.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Chance and uh.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah, I do you anew of your guys are going
to be there. I wasn't trying to hide, you know
what I mean. I knew you that I was going
to be there. I heard the knock on the door,
and you're your I didn't.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
I didn't.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
I came right out appreciate that could have gone a
whole lot different. And there's no need for any of that,
you know, unders thinking about it. Is there any weapons
at Jerry's house?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
I don't have any on the phone. When was the
charge that you did time on? That was the battery
from here? Yeah? That was here. I was in the
hand with her.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
Did you ever do prison time? Just turn off one
more map so we can explain in detail. We'll have
you located for us, and then we'll check that out
and start doing all the other things we have to do.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Okay, they'll get you some food, water, bathroom, and we'll
take it from here. A couple of days.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
Most likely, it's going to take me a long time
to get permission from the court system here to take
the vehicle and to do all the things that we
need to do. It's a time taking it's it's it's
what it is.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
We have a good report.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
You to be honest with me, I'll be honest with you,
and we'll work our way through this. Mm hmm, wow,

(44:29):
mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
I don't even remember walking down that hallway, the hallway
where I think that.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
The hallway at uh at our house. He said that
you are cleaning up a little bit. Where's the items?
And you you use like bleach? Did you use water.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Towel or water towel if you haven't gone through a ship?

Speaker 5 (45:10):
Well, I mean I've been extremely busy there and then
other places, you know, trying to figure out figure it out.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
That's my job. And I didn't have a wagery of
going through everything there. So uh yeah, no wind, that's
you know. I didn't. All I did was like the wall,

(45:39):
That was it. I liked the wall. Then I worked
in the untry. I like the world.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Then in the bureau m and all the townels and
all that ship were right there when you were even
like I took it wasn't even like I took the
ship and put it in the garbage bag and tried
to fucking dispose of it somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
I didn't do well there, it's there. And which door
did you go out when you put her?

Speaker 5 (46:03):
You put her in the car, nobody helped you, okay?

Speaker 2 (46:06):
And which door did you go out? Fucking side door?
The side door?

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Okay, that's three thirty in the morning, four o'clock in
the morning. Where was the car parked on the side
of the house. Is that where you normally park it?

Speaker 2 (46:23):
No, we porked in the driveway. How did it get
to the side.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
I pulled it up there? Okay, So Brian and Nickey's hoss.
He could have been out there smoking cigarettes. You know,
I'm fucking down. Oh my god, there's absolutely no chance

(46:49):
I could smoke a cigarette.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
Maybe I'll see what that. I know I would be
able to facilitate that. This isn't my facility, so I
have to see what they say.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
But I'll love to smoke a cigarette. I'll try. I'll
be evergin. I can't wait. How's that I'm back? I

(47:34):
don't back. I don't know what I was thinking. Oh
h yeah, how long they want? Do you want Jerry's

(48:02):
phone number? They got?

Speaker 5 (48:05):
They got that's when they we kind of have to
hold onto that house, which is why I want to
go there quickly. Because I don't want to make her
stand by for an extremely long time. You know, it's
a it's a bad situation.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Bad situation, very bad situation.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
So we have to handle it appropriately professionally. So professionally,
that's why these things are going to take some time.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Bear with us. Mhm mhm h. Yeah. You religious person

(48:57):
story too.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
It was blessed by a priest when it was in
third grade. Kathleen King mask s Mars and the assumption
with Elizabeth. Yeah, they were telling me money. Yeah, quarter
of the day, civil action right now over that ship.
And Jeffrey Anderson, lawyer is my lawyer. And in what

(49:23):
city Edison, New Jersey read a grip go as my
my lawyer. School went with the same marries.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yeah, that's a elementric. The same maris as athletic over
the Catholic. Like what grade did you go to?

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Eleventh? Eleventh? And then I went to the Army and
the National Guard and should have stayed. Yeah, what year
did you get out before the first desert storm? I
went writing eighteen and turned eighteen orch third one fourth?

Speaker 2 (50:00):
I was forefe Georgian. So I have one son, yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
Did you talk to him or see him in the
last couple of days.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
I don't see my mother. I haven't seen anybody. Jerry
Jerrie is the only one that I saw.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Your mother is still living, yes, is she in Florida?
She's Cape Horl somewhere.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
She was living in Delta Adventure Del Toro for forty
one and six twenty one seer Madre and went by
there yesterday and.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
She don't live there. Never never told me. Does her
son will? Yeah, me and my son don't really. Yeah,
he's he's twenty one, that mon at that age and uh,
the more like try, the more he pulls away.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
So all right, so this is thank you sir. We
think we've we've got it all fed out. So Aliko
would be running down across the bottom. You remember we
were talking that.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
This is Dusty.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
Leco would actually be down here and Briar Cliff would
be here, that it would be coming in this way,
and then you would run into Dusky.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Then you come running up and Dusty right, and that
this is where the canal is. So the canal is
this here? Oh, there's the canal, said, you come around
like that, so you becoming Welko will let out down
here with that out there. Yeah, I think she's here

(51:59):
around here on the right side.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
I don't let me show you a very broad view
of it, and then you can he's the zoomed end
view today I'm taking she's right, she's hyeah, because that's
before you do that here one second, let's just make
sure we get it right, all right, So you see

(52:25):
that right there is what you're looking at. Okay, but
as a zoom out, you're gonna see those roads go away.
You see Lee going out down here, yes, yes, and
then you'll see there's this is the there's the canal.
So she's gonna be she's on the right side of

(52:45):
the road. So she's she's she's somewhere right here on
dusty Road. She's she's gotta be similar right here. Man,
you can't know you so sign your name right there
two twenty one, twenty two, two twenty one, twenty two,

(53:12):
ten thirty three pm.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
And then location of the body and it was she
wrapped in your white point took location. Alright. I'm gonna

(53:43):
step up and uh that Sergeant rawlson on did you
thank you? Excuse me? You're good, get your down on that.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
He's got this location right in here somewhere on Dusky
you in the canal past the canal, past.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
The canal, past the canal.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
The years, yes, come doowns.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
Yes, he would supposed to cigarette in some of the
west then, and there's a way we get this.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Now longer living on and off since the day and
nine oh ship.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yeah, that's why I moved there. But yeah, one should
changed a lot.

Speaker 10 (54:34):
And then yeah, you were from Jacksonville, you said in
New Jersey, right, Yeah, border based.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
In New Jersey.

Speaker 10 (54:41):
Okay, Yeah, commercial shag scalp that came. You're up on
the shrimp boats and formulas.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Made no money. There's no money. Northeast scalps, big scalps. Yeah.
So that's what I've been doing for about twenty five years.

Speaker 8 (55:00):
And I came down from Jersey and I was over
on the beach over there by going out the lake sand.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Graduate High School in New Jersey? Did you graduate high school?

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Eleventh grade?

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Testing your meeting right now?

Speaker 1 (55:20):
When it was seasonal prep, I did Seaonal Prep and Westfield.
My first year at Seamal Prep, I was at Westfield.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
I was on the new campus and then durned eighteen March,
third March fourth I was in New Army. Okay, so
what do you usually in the army.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
For eight ninety ninety one three and then I had
a commit book National Guard, and.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
I was young, domind stupid back then.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Even more than I am now. And when a wall
and got a disnable, oh I was.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
I was in the Marine Corps, so I'm not gonna
on the military lefice.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
So yeah, it was basically.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
You did a lot of years that just to quit
like that though just odd. Usually people are going a
waller like a year in.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, I know it's stupid. Uh page.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
You know, my mother was dating downs Page and we
had normal jines that the air page, so we.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Had the we had normal gens By Page Field and
uh yeah, I came home on a family pass. Uh.
I went in as an E three.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Found in an article fifteen, got knocked down, and uh
it was more or less done.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Should have done.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
I've I never really had any man in my life
as far as like, you know, do this, do this,
do list and this will happen, you know what I mean.

Speaker 17 (57:07):
Yeah, you think a lot of the issues in your
life was just the lack of like structure as a
child growing up now still.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Most definitely my mom has been married five times. A
ship worlds went around it. But the shitty stepdads, is
that beat the ship out of everybody. Yeah that's what
you know.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
You learn child, you wung child, You see that kind
of Yeah, I think that's normally you know.

Speaker 18 (57:37):
So, yeah, you need to get there and finder. Yeah,
we're trying to. I'm so smart slip this time. I
just I don't know the still ship leading up to that.

(57:59):
You put e before that.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I just couldn't believe that to face some mother was
being I couldn't believe that two face she was being.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
I can't believe that two face fucking her other met
you know, I don't even drink. It's a little bit
of both. That's it. Man.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Do you think they were conspiring against you or something?

Speaker 2 (58:18):
To night? Just she wanted she did come back in there,
and you know, one minute I'm there. One minute you
can stay. I love you. Next meeting, yeah, you know,
I just you never knew, you never knew who was
going to be at the door and showed up, you

(58:40):
know what I mean, just they kitchen taking an they said,
thank you, I still show up over here and a minute.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
So her mom helped how much of a relationship you.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Had with mom.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
Mom.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
First, you know a lot of topsy, you know, I
love you and all this ship and you know, and
then in the next prep, you know, I got you know,
she was playing both then to the coin with the
mother because the mother's paying the bills. She just started
getting her disability on the twenty throw of February or whatever,

(59:24):
the twenty eighth of February or.

Speaker 18 (59:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
About her mom. Do you think to think about hurting
the mother or no? I can't.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Yeah, funk I was thinking, man, I don't think you
were thinking.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
No, not much, lover. I think I'd do that to somebody. Man. Yeah,
nobody needs to show it. She didn't a beautiful person

(01:00:07):
at Harlan.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Yeah, at a f L h R rot in Classic
kind of Player ninety six, first year Eva.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Sat a bed or bids. Yeah, So was it running?
I didn't. I didn't know what to do. And you're
telling run for so long? Yeah, that wasn't gonna happen
fucking this morning. I was ready to quit you when

(01:00:40):
when when I might bag as well as you, I
was ready to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Why didn't you call us after it happened to her
body there and not call us.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
You know, I didn't scared.

Speaker 15 (01:00:51):
I was more scared of fucking small, more scared of
face my mother's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Scared, face your face, for you to face the consequences,
you're saying, that's why.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
I knew the consequent I was afraid of the consequent.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
They say, want the mother and had to see her.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
I was just trying to figure things out. Evidently, I went, yeah,
what did you pick this area? You know this area?
I worked back there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
And Dan Derebin has a shot back there, so I
used to go back there, and you know, I.

Speaker 19 (01:01:30):
Knew that area behind the construction companies in the fields.
How long did it take you to get to Alco
after you dropped her off? Did you have to do
a lot of driving or was it pretty quick?

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I just it was like at four o'clock in the morning.
And I don't know, I fucking dropped her how far
off the road? Figure, there's the corror, like in the
in the ditch, down in the ditch. Was there water
in it? Okay, she's not in any war. That's why

(01:02:12):
I don't want it to rain. I don't she's not
any water man. Look at the water in water. I
didn't want nothing to happen to her. I was at
the core this morning. I was ready to cool you
fucking guys this morning. It's that fucking you know what
I mean. I'm just done with it. It got it? Okay,
all right, let go see whether I with the cigarette

(01:02:35):
and I'll go up with you. She's done with men,
fucking stupid jere You know I'm gonna take you out. Okay,

(01:03:05):
you howk is gonna help us out? All right? Man? Yeah?
I thought you and me if it bring you outside
a little more comfortable, always smells, Does that make sense? Alright,
let's let's do this.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
Take a seat, person, we don't okay, okay, that's plenty
of more.

Speaker 20 (01:03:29):
Go you're good, Frid, sure, all right, good ready, you

(01:03:52):
see it's gonna leave those on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, based off those earlier work with you. As long
as you're working with these guys. Put a bunch of things.
We're gonna go. Do you got some snacks that have
some water? Do you have to keep the restaurant? Uh?
You're good for it right now? Okay, yeah, all right,
we'll come. We'll keep cool checking. Let me do your favorite.

(01:04:16):
I'm gonna double lock on so they don't taken on
your Accidentals Network. Can you just flip that around? Can
mh the other one? Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
You lean on them or something that you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Double locks. No, it's nice nuts that I got there.
We got these, God, I thank you?

Speaker 5 (01:05:12):
All right, jeeves everything, Did you have anything else you
want to share with me?

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Have we covered everything? Yeah? We covered everything? And uh,
everything you say to today is the truth? Or yeah,
the truth? That's a yes, yes, okay, And you offer.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
This statement of your own free will will. I didn't
make any promises, okay, all right, I'm gonna step up
and start getting to work on some of the other
things that we have to do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
I'll make a managister here one day if she gives
me a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
All right, you.

Speaker 8 (01:06:01):
Okay, When you took her out of the car, did
you drag her from the car into the behind the
tree or yes?

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Okay, Well she was in the trunk or the vaccine.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
In the blanket at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
So when you dragged and you dragged her.

Speaker 12 (01:06:19):
Through a ditch or the blue dry swale, the dry swale,
and then you went on the other side of that
dry swale.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Yeah, she's right behind the tree with some praw on her. Okay, ditch.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Probably a half mile from that from where the where
the canal is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
I don't know. I'd say, you know, some some around
the bend and there's that canal, there's that house right
there on the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
It's probably not even.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
A quarter of a mile, not even like a quarter
mile away from the house.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:07:02):
Did you pull her over something like a little little
hill or did you drag her over anything?

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
No, there was no little tiny hill or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Just a little little cleanly swirl and there was a
little spot where the fences come together.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Okay, so the fences come together there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
There are two different types of fences with the wire fences.
But she's on this side. She's on the side. I
needn't put her aroun on the other side of the fence.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
I'm just trying to assist.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
All knew it is. This is the one that let's
been there. So this is a dusty, right, a little filer. Yeah,
so I need to go the other way or twenty two.
This is this is dusty going this way towards Aleco.
This way.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
This way would be north, so this way we'd be
going towards six mile late that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Would be going towards private place. He's gone, this is
going to Little Vico. Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:07:59):
So there's this guy's house, past the house, the house
past it, so the house right there past go.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
More, okay, down more. I'm right around here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Yeah, because yeah, yeah, she's over here. So she would
be like like over here, she's she's not there, she's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Live over there. Is there anything landmarks? Anything that you
can think of? That way not the right to that's
out of my mind. Man, what's somewhere did you drag
her back for? She's right here? Thank you?

Speaker 22 (01:09:04):
May if you think the blanket off your head, you
can use the blanket this camp pay sir, all right, let.

Speaker 23 (01:09:15):
Make up for me as some props and textives what
I have in my hand as a search for for
your DNA.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Some other things.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
I'll read it all team, so before.

Speaker 23 (01:09:25):
They can get started their profits, such a separate search
one out to you just so you know, all go
on all right in the name of the state of
Florida to all singular the shaff Or Deputy share.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Some Dwauk County in Florida.

Speaker 23 (01:09:38):
Whereas an application Affidavid made under oath and writing hasn't
submitted this day to the underside of Judge for the
searcher and for.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Dwalk County, Florida.

Speaker 23 (01:09:47):
And whereas the facts made known to me that's caused
me to certified find that there is problem cause the
folly individual described as follows James.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Paul luly Lo Yeah alive with the last.

Speaker 23 (01:10:02):
Known address of thirteen two seventy five trophic Egret Drive, Jacksonville,
Florida three two two four race, white, ethnic, non of
the Hispanic origin, sex, male, height five foot ten per
license weight point seventy, eye color brown, hair color brown
data bird three three nineteen seventy dl slash ID number

(01:10:24):
LIMA or L four hundred four five five seven zero
zero eight three zero Florida. NUSH possesses evidence relatives to constantly.
Evidence relates to a crime violation of Section seventy eight
two point zero four floor Statutes. Set evidence is saliva

(01:10:45):
samples to obtain from buckle swabs inside the map cheek
of the above and named individual, fair nail clippings, major
case fronts, hair samples, and photographs of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
The individual James Paul Alling.

Speaker 23 (01:10:58):
Whereas the facts establishing the crowns for this application are
set forth in the affidavit of Christopher Smith Ide number
seven four zero one zero, the Jackson Sheriff's Office at me. Now, Therefore,
you or either of you, what lawful assistance as may
be necessary, are commanded in the daytime or in the nighttime,
or on Sunday, as the exigencies of the occasion may require,

(01:11:21):
may seize and reasonably detain James Paul Laley in order
to take sandles from the aforementioned James Paul Ally, and
to give proper receipt in making your return of this search.
Warrant within ten days of the day executed. DNA evans
of the station will not degrade and is immune from
becoming stale. And you are further commanded as to bring
set evans so seized in any person or restling.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Connection with this search.

Speaker 23 (01:11:43):
Warrant to the Court having jurisdiction of this offense, to
be disposed of the Court into a law. With this
my hand and seal this twenty second day of February
twenty forty two, by Jage Meredith Carble, Judges a Circuit
Court of the Fourth Judicial Circuit, in and for do
all counting electronic.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Design per Section nine to three.

Speaker 23 (01:12:04):
So these high showmen are going to ask you stand up,
just follow his instructions. He's gonna ask you to do
photographs first. They're gonna take some cheek swabs.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Like you said, my staying in me get down here
or am I going?

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
You'll be booked into a walk counting night. I believe
at some point in the future you will be then transported.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
To Lee County.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
That could take a couple of days.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Okay, you can just production right now. All right? What
is your first name? James? And then it's a L
A L L I. Yes, sir, okay, thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Yeah, you canna have any problem with us doing this collection.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Sort off? You're taking two buckle swaps, so I gotta
do this set there kind of do anything.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
I only just put this on one side of your
cheek on the other side, and then one's coming to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
The other side. Points thank you, m m m.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
So we we didn't take a hair sample. Now you
just gotta get us some sleaders. We gotta pull out
at the followup.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Okay, so long as you'd be alarm, do you be
fundy take it? I can do with im, so I
don't have to do it.

Speaker 24 (01:13:49):
Just kind of leaning forward against a little bit here,
do right there? Maybe good dything else it might hair
a little bit, but again I'm sorry you think it
one more after this will past. Yeah, that's center the sinner,

(01:14:11):
that's kid. We follow, going give one more and just.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Nothing that ever they come out, thank you, Thank you
for father O L L I C L E. It's

(01:14:43):
two L one time follow. I have a third thing
might be too well if you want to an interview here,

(01:15:11):
I don't know about later to see your hands on.
All right, so you're paying out a pretty low you
know for sure.

Speaker 17 (01:15:24):
I think thank this much as it doesn't kind of
hard to get anything from underneath. I'm not and you
should be able to get something. I'm try Yeah, alright,
so these are these little things. I'm trying to get
some stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
When you're figuring it out, I'll say, you're worried about
what two? So I'm not going to dang beat in you.
I know you the left hand. M leta go. That's good.

(01:16:20):
You know another one a dog know. I don't think
most people to get one on the side called an
under pole is double wing apping? Do you don't dance over?
Pat could not to try out an you can't hear

(01:17:04):
up an I don't try to uh, past, it's not
a lot yet.

Speaker 7 (01:17:17):
How al uh I would say about the picture if
you hops to a hand things y god empty trick?

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Yeah, alright, is he gonna be able to stand in
the several shop? Go there? You could just see us. Yeah,
that's a guess. How hard do you lock? Do you on? Here?

(01:17:45):
You good on that? Just like that one on your
I'll short your fil about her. That's your thoughts. Okay,
I just put like that. Can you put them so

(01:18:08):
you can't get a couple of front Thank you? And
now can you answer and you can just put exactly
if I can do Yeah, soo.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
Mm hm and then program that's up and at and
all that stuff so it's all together.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
You're a lady. Thank you. Sign up tomorrow two our start.
We're riding.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
They're playing with that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
You go back and striding. They can take it, but
go down there and check it out up whoever. Yeah,
you can know even if people get it and sends
us to do in running like hands any injured areas?

(01:19:36):
Do you have any injuries that we need to move up?
And said none? Got the hair you got here there.

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
If you can see the finger out of the area,
it's hard to get.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Even do that clipping. Yeah, but yeah, we're gonna do
the clothing. You know, we're got his buffle swaps and
then the.

Speaker 5 (01:19:58):
Phone in his hat and that if we can keep
it all together as part of his property, let's put
at that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Yeah, and then our crimecy.

Speaker 5 (01:20:07):
People will pick it up with the car tomorrow and
have it all over straight from your crime scene facility
that are.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
We'll talk about that in Okay, we'll figure all out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Yeah it alright, so w you go including up. Hey,
I don't know that. That's just a sure. Yeah, you

(01:20:37):
know you're just gonna get that.

Speaker 25 (01:20:41):
Game, alright, cash rights talking about this is your glasses

(01:21:06):
out you kay?

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Alright? In uh certain slides? Sure you can keep those.

(01:21:32):
Oh so thank you for sure for stood on the
top a bottom.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Okay, alright, escape from uh Jerry's house here in uh Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
They didn't need to come from that. Probably won't make
a stake him anyways, Okay, don't a thing one.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
What they say, wells to rush shirt, you get shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
No, he's working on his shirt and his SLIDESH thanks sir,
I thank your glasses. You definitely keep. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Is gonna have to go, is it yeah, I think
watch and a few of my property eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Oh yeah, everything's gonna be that hard. It's all yours
to keep over there. Just just carr watch, stay, serre

(01:23:15):
w shure. It's goosed to get right back. That a
big right, Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:23:26):
Ay, thanks man, appreciate your corporation.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Past word on the phone. Three three nineteen seventy six.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
Three three one nine seven Yes, sure, okay, cool, thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
What? Uh what's the game planning? And they're working on?
Did they get your uniform at I'm oping I gotta
sweat shirt for sure? Okay, they're working on that. That's
not Michaels, You're we're working on the Fort.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
Myers end updating our judges with everything and then seeing
what they want us to do as far as having
you taken from here down to there because there there's
gonna be an issue in Sarasota as well, so we're
gonna have to be an issue. The merchandise the pond.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
We took that. So now that pawn shop is out.
So it's a little, not not big, but something I
address the things that don't really matter anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
I could really give a fuck, but uh, I guess
my possessions and ship in the car.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
I don't know the car. We're going to do that now.
First step was getting this done here and then we're
gonna leave. Jeri will be able to point out yes,
and I feel bad because she's still there waiting, so
I want to get over there. She's a sweetheart.

Speaker 5 (01:24:52):
Man, you'll be here, be cool for these guys like you, Ben,
and then we'll get you down into Fort Myers.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
According to policy, I can't tell them how to do it.
I can't just drive you down. Okay, you got here
your Mike Jim Jim Jim. Yeah, you won't forget mine. Okay.
So you've been nice, man, Thank you. I appreciate your honesty.
I do. I do. I know it doesn't seem like,

(01:25:20):
you know it's always the right thing to do right now,
but it is. It is. You know. I'll meet with
and I'll tell her exactly how forthcoming you were, and
she doesn't, you know, she doesn't all the specifics. All right,
I don't want to keep all right, man, you go well, Jerry,

(01:25:42):
I love her, man, all right. They'll be with you
in one second, man, just please. She told them that
I'm hoping if you could you know what I mean.
Thank you all right, James Rolling, Okay, now you've listened.

(01:26:03):
Now go to your thing.