True Crime Story Of The Poisoned Patient With Eye Drops as a Murder Weapon

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
What does that mean? I don't have a good strong
opinion either way. And the reason you're in the system
is you did what you did.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
I don't I agree with your responsibility.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
You had an issue with your probationations. That's what you're
here for.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Is it because I didn't tell her that we had
talked last week or didn't talk.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I don't know. I don't know if you have to
deal with that with her. And when I saw you, guys,
I go, is this why?

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Because I didn't come in with you? And I'm like,
I didn't you have a problem coming in as to you.
I just I started a new job and I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Probably lose it. Up to today, I don't know what
her issue is. I can't believe this. I've never had
a problem with her and she's never done this same never,
so this is the only thing I can come up.
But then I'm a walk on. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
However, you are here to talk about last please totally.
The problem is your customer, So I need to read
your rights so you have the right to remain silent
understand is that? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I understand? You know the rules are recorded?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yes, okay, just alware whole secrets here secret.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Anything you say can and will be used against you
in court. Understand.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yes, you have the rights to the lawyer before question
and have him or her present during questioning.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Do you understand can afford a lawyer? When? Will we
appointed for you for questioning if you wish? Do you understand? Yes,
I'm designing any time to abstize.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
These rights and not answer any questions or make to
stake any statements to understand. Yes, understand you to these
rights I've read to you. Yes, we'll understand the above
stated rights and when to answer questions as it's time
and self presence of an attorney.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yes, there, that's not same to the night. No, I
know it's my wife's birthday. It takes our point. I
know I was supposed to be going out of town

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in two days with I just would like you know probation.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
I was supposed to go to humorly for a soft
alter and I just started a job.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
That this is not gonna be good missing right, So worried, Rankiel,
Do you have some good news or something to tell me?
A worthwhile we have.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Has not made her ruling yet. They have a year
to do yourself. It's not as for Medical Exammer's office
to take the entire year. It's just what they do.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Our doctor Wind is very thorough and methodical.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Her counterpart of Milwaukee s fast.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
She takes her time.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
We have some questions about Wind's daily, daily, daily operations
because you were the one taking care of her right.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
For the most part, you know, it was the only
one a round. Really she what happened six months? She
had well vote her day book like she didn't sleep normal,
so I couldn't say she got off because does she
sleep in her bed or she all staying there hopefully Okay,
she hasn't probably been in her bed.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
For a couple of weeks because when she came home
from the hospital, she couldn't handle the height.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
She couldn't get off that high. So I would say
usually before that she'd wake up three four of the morning.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
She didn't sleep good, so she'd be napping throughout the
day when she didn't.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Watch TV all. Then does she walk okay too?

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Sometimes yes and sometimes now tully so the right before
the hospital she could okay during like on the way.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
She wedn't ambulance.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
She literally got out of the hospital and they said, how
are you doing this? So I mean they saw it.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Her last three days in the house, she was falling.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
She would get up, but she'd fall. That's why I
had the bathroom thing right by her, because she could
do something she couldn't do some Sometimes she'd get up
and get water.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
She'd make herself try.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
I would say once or twice to get up, but
it didn't always work.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
What do you know why?

Speaker 1 (04:21):
She worked to the hospital the last day before her death.
Shed go the last day of hers her last dage.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Her last day physically, she was her body was shutting down.
She was weak, she wasn't eating. She probably didn't eat
in two weeks before. She was so dehydrated, and she
just she knew she had to go with me and
her neighbor both said, you have to go and do
something because your body is shutting down.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
And what's the name of the neighbor, junior Judy? No, no, no, no,
my phone? You know, can we talk to her that day?
You talked her that day.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
She's the only one who helps me pick her up
when she fell off the ground.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
But I can't. It's not Judy to do the other one.
But it's in my phone.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
If they talked her that day, I gave you her
information too.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
And was she taking her own medicine? She was taking
her own lesson, but she didn't drive her nothing. No,
you would go get the prescriptions. Yes, Low Brits knows me.
They got to know you very well. Even when she
was in the hospital.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
She wanted her.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Prescription because the hospital wasn't giving her her own prescription.
And I brought it in and I let the nurses
know that I went and got it for her.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Okay, they took it from her. I said, I'm just
doing what she told me to do, but I want
you to be aware. So now, And were you paying
for her? She paid you back? Wow? File? No, sometimes
I paid for them. Sometimes she paid for went.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Both ways and then was taking like I remember, I
remember off here to be honest, because usually the pharmacists.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Are paying with them. They were fine with you because
you were you were the person well.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
They knew Lynn very well, like her, and they also
know me. And I was on file as who I
was that I but I don't know if she was.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Her main one was I don't know. I don't know
most of my heart except for she was.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
And then she had like a blood pressure, and I
don't know the rest. She's taking quite a bit of meds,
like twenty of them a loft like those weren't all
of her prescriptions. I mean I shouldn't say that they weren't.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
For the time, she'd have meds and then the doctors
would take her off, they put her on take her off.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
So I mean she had meds all over her house.
That was just the normal for her. That was just
don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
And was she taking stuff, as far as you know,
prescribed or was she kind of self dedicating herself.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Everything for the most part was prescribed.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I know, I say has prescribed as the doctor wants.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Her to take it.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
No, absolutely not okay, no, because my mom's and assistant.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, yeah, I take care of the.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Meds and her. Something's not right on her all the
time art but she doesn't kid me, you know what
I mean, Like if you run out of you and
they're like, no, you can't get it for another ten days,
then I set to worry what happened.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I used to tell her all the time I would
be gone, Well I would do.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
I mean, sometimes i'd hear stuff wridy, and sometimes she
would because I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
There all the time. Okay, So I'd be.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Getting stuff ready and then she'd be getting separate and
I'd come back.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
And I'd be like, okay, I left in you this
many pills of this or this is this? Especially the
new ones I knew because she has gotten filled. Not
have it made any sense? And I used to start.
I was like, oh not, I'm fine, I said, what
are you doing? That's not you're supposed to.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
She her set ones, and I don't know all of them.
She'd take what she wanted. She took Xanax just because
they calmed her down, or so she thought, and she
felt good.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
I don't. I don't know because I'm not pillperson. I've
never bet. I don't take every groping. That's all. We
have a full organizer. She used one of those for no.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
We said, sometimes you set the pills up like you
stayed in the morning, you come there.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
I mean typically would in the morning of the night
or I didn't have a said, it just depended how
she was doing the.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Day before and what she wanted or what I'd had
planned there wasn't.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
She call you if they need you or she.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Would either call or I'd call her to check at
her and say how's it going. I don't know how
much times she called me because she fell or she
needed water or I mean I always stucked her up
on stuff.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
But it was, you know, sometimes I can be up
there a lot, and sometimes I couldn't. So it just
depended what was going on. You see, you're out there
almost every day then, yeah, especially the last two months.
The day of her death, do you remember when you
were out there? I didn't received.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
I didn't say, I don't at this time. Was of
the morning, okay, but I don't know exact time for it.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Be there in the morning for a little while, well
most of the morning.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Did you remember if you get her pills that day?
Set them up? When I got there, she was sleeping.
I woke her up.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
We talked for a little bit, and I had to
go to the gas station or have the gas station
pick and saying if I had a bunch of Aaron.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Said, I was putting on for days because I just
didn't have time.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
I was, and she kept saying, no, I'll just go
do what you gotta do. Blah blah blah, I'll see
you later. And I remember before I left.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I asked her, like, are your pills taken for the day?
Do you need water? Like wait to s Sammiel, Do
you need this? Do you need that?

Speaker 4 (09:24):
You want something to eat? And no, she said she
was fine. I said, oh, I'll be back in a
couple of hours. I just want to get the stuff done.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
And she was like pushing me to go. So you
got there in the morning some time morning I was
grew up there maybe an hour, maybe two at the most.
I don't know for sure, But you don't. I mean,
I can't rot her statement the day I left there.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
And you probably didn't give her pills that take I
don't think so I'm.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Almost passed if I didn't, because the last couple of days.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I really wasn't.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
She'd asked for water or sometimes she would put her
pills in and she have a certain something bigger that
tasted really bad, so she would always put that in.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Her yogurt or yogurt fud fuddy.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
So she would ask for like water or putting her
something for me at bring by her, or certain pills,
the bigger ones she would have crush those up or whatever.
So she'd be like, oh, can I get this or.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Can't get that?

Speaker 4 (10:22):
But I don't remember because normally, if I was there earlier,
I would give her her pills or I check like.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
The day or you would think in twenty nineteen they
can't make medicine taste better.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Well you would think they just would have a better
system so people don't have.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Access to that kind of med occasion. I end this.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Brilliant played my daughter our consuls off and I love
because she doesn't want to swallow the.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Pills because it's dire for an hour or two. And
then do you stay? Do you want errands for her? Then?
I can't say even target right, No, I mean maybe
a few things like maybe I got water or something.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
I don't know if majority was for me, but I
might have gotten herself too.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
You know, So you walk back home and then excep
at the time, we're living in Franklin, right, I was
living in Franklin.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Uh well, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. This is I don't
make me rewind here almost a year. I mean I
did write a statement that day and has everything that
I did in times. No, I guess it I'm just
trying to her straight because I just don't understand why
we don't have answers.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
I don't there's some good wow because I didn't go
to medical school, and.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Then I just I was excited thinking you had actually
the nilism.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well there's there's some inconsistencies, and then we'll talk about those.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
But I'm trying to try to get an idea of
how stuff wor because their enfles ever's asking me how
the pills were taken, like some of them are crushed just.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Said somewhere and someone I don't know to what extents
weren't to be involved with crush just one every day.
No no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Because she was kind of handling herself. Her right was
still pretty sharp that she knew she was.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Doing her usual. I mean, I her biggest thing was mobility.
That was probably the biggest issue. But she still got
up to an extent. She didn't leave the house, that's
what she didn't do. But I didn't go and buy
her drugs. I only got the stuff that she was tried.
She had friends who gave her a ton of things
back in the day.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I don't know towards her death, but there's no illegal
narcotics in her. Oh okay, well that's good. Did you
see her legal drugs? I have prior? I mean that
was what she was. I couldn't say. Towards the end.
I would say maybe like four months prior to the
hospital drugs, A little bit of weed or something.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
She used cocaine once in a blue moon, and some
kind of pills.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Then I don't know what because this wasn't my stuff.
So I got you.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Used cocaine? Did you say you probably should pick out
with the till?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I said that with everything, I mean I yelled at
her brother, her mandustine all time, all the time.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, So, I mean that's what's it's frustrating because she
wouldn't listen and she didn't care, and it made her
feel good. I mean her she went through She went
to the er twice because she took it all and
ran out so that she was having like withdrawals or
made herself withdrawal so she could go and get more.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Did you take her then? Yeah? And which house? What
you go through? They went to the same hospital. It's
the one right down the road from here, Walks. I
think I did.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Aurora, okay, always she was admitted in there four times
in the last six months of her life.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
At least she did some things, but she tell me
what to pay as well. She'd say, Okay, this one thing,
I pay this, this one thing, I pay this. Like
do she have a car payment then? Or no car payment?
She was a credit cards, like crazy, what she's in
the credit cards for? No idea. I didn't think she
want she got she didn't drive, or are we the
home I mean at that time, no, but she's still

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had bills or like when I go with a store
from her, she had that's the grocery card. She would
tell me all the time. Why we used in two ones?

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Go get groceries on this or go get But she
she never I mean, her finances were never an issue
for her.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
She did what she wanted.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
She do this, do that, I need this, here's this
for taking care of me. I mean, her finances were
never that wasn't her issue.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
That was yeah, she did, I mean she wasn't.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
She didn't lose her mind. I mean she just well,
sometimes people and they'll feel good, like my dad.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Died at the end there he just he just didn't
care anymore. Just he didn't feel good and well.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
I mean she didn't care, but that wasn't about something
that what she didn't care about was.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Okay, today I'm st four bills, I'm going.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
To take ten or I mean that was more she
wanted about the bills, though he didn't care at the
end until last months, because I take care of everything,
and that my dad was always.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
From a ticulus much. She took care of everything. That's
just the way he was.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
He was just sick.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
So but she was pretty good. And you said she
had a lot of credit cards.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I just recently found out how bad things were.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
I'm gonna say, why is everything with four or five
credit card?

Speaker 2 (15:25):
She had about thirty credit cards? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Yeah, she have the couse, so a lot of storage.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Her else was packed. She bought jewelry, she fought her car,
she bought.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
I mean she paid for everything outright or squint a car, okay.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
So, and her income was she had the Social Security
of the money was coming in and.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
She had some money when her mom died and no
other sources of income.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
And you hangle, I mean she cut hair on the
side for a while.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
But not for the last ever, right, I mean, because
she was sick for her I mean for people.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
She knew, but not me. I didn't let her do
that in a while.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
When did she stop, like like functioning normally? Like I
see normally she just got sick.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well she's been sick for years.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Okay, but so what do you mean, like, well, when
did she stop cutting hair for her friends?

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Oh? I don't know that. I can tell you. Yeah,
a year or two years more than that, maybe a year.
But that wasn't because she was sick. It was this guy.
So I'm trying to get ideas how she functioned her
who she was, she.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Pumps you normally up until about the last three four months.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I mean she would go to the pool she I mean,
if you ask.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Her people in her condo, they all know her because
that's who she hung on.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Was she marked around, said hi to everyone? I mean,
that was her.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Life tied to the last six previous to the last
six months. Was she driving then still?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah? Okay?

Speaker 1 (16:55):
And were you out there helping her then at that
time a little bit or or most to the last
six month.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I was out there, but not like that. I wasn't
helping her either. It was just out there out there. Yeah,
I mean the family, you know, for the last six
months you were kind of her character. She was paying you, yeah,
but I mean I wasn't. I don't want to say
six months like she'd functioned until the end. I mean
I helped her and it wasn't even I don't want

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to say she.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Hadn't function She would be like, hey, can you go
get water today?

Speaker 2 (17:28):
I don't want to go to the store. I mean
the people at the store and over, you know, so
they knew she was having a good day and bad day.
She was good friends with, like for checkout people at
pick and say. It was that she had all those personalities.
She talk to everybody.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
She would talk to like just a stranger in the
streets here in stam.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
You know you're doing to day. She was a great person.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Great the last six months when she's not feeling well,
are you out there every day?

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Do you think her almost every day? Almost?

Speaker 1 (17:56):
And if she came you on a daily basis or
vital be No, of course, I mean it was all
an official arrangement.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
That there was nothing, no, nothing like that. So she
was just however she wanted to. I mean, there was
no you know, one day, oh here's a check. One day,
here's my car, go get this one day.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
I mean it was no, no, set, no, I'll pay
you a few hundred hours a week. I mean, she'd
help out.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
She told my mom all this month, I'm gonna pay
rent or I'm gonna pay your car. I mean, she
always was one of those she thought helped everyone. There
was no rhyme or reason for what she did. But
I know years ago my mom helped her out to
us some.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Stuff in the past.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
She had my mom have a ton of money and
filed for bankruptcy.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
So she's always came back on that, even.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Though she wrote it off. She's always helped me in
my mom our whole life. She's always helped us, you know,
she and my mom's ryan probably eight times in the
last couple of years when I was in prison. I mean,
she's just done a lot for us. It was never
and we've never taken it into that that's what you
guys are thinking. I mean, she was anybody who knows there,

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she gave everyone.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
The gym guy she.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Helped him with over twenty thousand dollars in legal bill
to tell us this.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
I mean, that's just how she was. It wasn't you know.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
I mean, because I feel like now you're getting into
finances like you guys think something's up.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
But that's how then was. With her mind. She did
what she wanted how she wanted. She had a temple.
I mean she she didn't have a rhyme or reason
how she did things. She did what she wanted because
she couldn't and she was always boorn. My parents died.
She said, you know what, this is the first time
I could do what I want. Probably want.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
She bought the Chiefs want, she bought the condo, she
hit the condo, she went together, but she just she did.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
She was one of those people that.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Lived say by day, this is today I want to
go shopping, or today I want to buy a jewelry.
She probably answerd hey, you want to gre vacation again.
Let's just woke a trip and go, oh my god,
what do you I can't just helping go.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
But that's the type of person she was.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Or towards the end, she got mad because one of
her credit cards got reduced to I'm gonna just go
blow it off and that's what she bought.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
The bracelet whatever, and I'm like, what think Like her
mind was just she did what she wanted how she want.
I can't you only.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Have any state your control because it's hers, it's her stuff,
it's what she wants.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
The last week or two she surns out the hospital
and then she died, like within the two weeks, right,
because it seems like she's.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Out of control. Then when I say that she doesn't care,
she's taking pills. To me, it seemed like she gave
up before she went to the hospital.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Seemed like the hospital was a last ditch effort for
everyone loved her because we were all push share ago.
Her neighbor ju dated her ex husband and my mom. Mean,
she was just in bad shape and we wanted her
to get help her ex boyfriend, sorry ex bfriend.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Okay, and that's a shame tore, right because I never
heard of an ex husband, ex wife friend.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
It just she we wanted her to get the help
we wanted her, and I think.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
She she went back and forth.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
She kind of wanted to feel better and then she
just was sick.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Of me and she went both ways. Does she struggle
in the hospital, Oh a lot, a lot.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
They put a camera in after a couple of days
because she was they were having problems.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Because at the hospital they make your father r wolves
as sorry as to take this just you don't get shared.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
I mean, I'm sure medical examiners ath hostal loowed her.
You know, they masked, and I'm sure they had some words.
The nurses, the doctors, I mean, they all.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Had things to tell me. Every time I came in.
She was a handful because she wanted to do it
her way and didn't care what they told her.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
And if they didn't give the pills she wanted, they
were giving her something generic. That's when, well, I need
to go get my prescription, I said, Lynne, they're giving
me what you need. I'll get it because you're telling
me to AND's yours. It's great, play yours. But that's
why when I came back, I purposely told them. I said,
I'm gonna let you know right now.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
She has it. It's up to you. There's what you
want to do with it. But she wanted it, and
that maybe I would. I mean, she got it. She
vanished you when she found She told him she might
figured it out that she well, no, I did tell her.
I was going to tell him because I said, you.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Know, I don't know what you're supposed to be doing
or not doing, and you.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Know, I feel like when you're in the hospital, they're
going to give you what you need. So that's just
my opinion.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
They don't if anything you're not supposed to, and then
they don't even like you bringing stuff in like a
cheese murger or something. You know they want you. No
one's acting what she got going in and else.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Well it makes sense. I mean, did your.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Mom help out with lynd No?

Speaker 2 (22:48):
No, no, my mom didn't.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
She didn't even pryor she my mom helped out when
Lynn's parents did. She couldn't physically do it again.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
She watched Lynn have a nervous breakdown and come back
from it, but it was like a six month nervous breakdown,
and she traphed her parents house.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
A lot happened when Lynn's bomb died, and physically at
war on my mom just seeing her.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Like that, because she's never seen that side of her.
It was a totally different person.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
So she that's why Lynn purposely had everything in my
mom's name, like to take care of everything if something happened.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Even medical when she was alive.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
And she twitched it to me because she said, your
mom doesn't have.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
The time for her.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
My mom with her job and so and she said,
bib because she was there prior.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
I don't want me to do it again.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
So okay, I was going to ask you why got
switched to you?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
That explains it. I didn't know if she switched everything.
I only knew she switched some things. I had no
clue at the end.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
I didn't know were you oftorized us run the credit
card and stuff when she's telling her not at all,
because she's.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I have no idea tells her doing so.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
We said she had thirty credit cards. She had a
lot of CDs. I don't know exactly, but a lot.
But she wasn't giving new different cards every time you
were using.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Oh no, she gave different cards. She liked to use
her different cards. She said, all the time, I got
to use this one, I haven't used that. She had
stickies with dats and last time she used something, and
every swear to god, I've never seen.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Anybody like because she liked to keep track of when.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
She used the last said okay, I need to use
it this time.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
That was just what she did. I have no idea.
I have fo you got two I got true.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Well, I'm not all that I have.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I don't use so you said Lauren is younger, but
you can kind of figure out that she don't need
no kind of.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
I mean, I was in shock.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
I was like, I have never seen this amount of
stuff never and her thing was too like the hospital.
She kept saying, well, I'm just going to use everything
because one day when I'm not here, I'm not paying
any of them.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
That's that was her. I guess they push I'm just
gonna use it. I'm gonna use it. You're gonna get something,
and i'd be different. Everyone's life style. Now you know,
you're still with her. Now I have children, see how
that changes concept. I'm the same way. You gotta be
very careful with money. You know, it's like you gotta.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
I don't think I wanted a gas because it's like, oh,
I got to let you kids to college at least one.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
You know.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
The last two weeks, does she follow the last since
she got out of the hospital, the last hospital stay,
does she follow it off?

Speaker 2 (25:33):
That's when her neighbor came and helped her or whatever
name was sooner. I don't know why. I can't believe
her name right now, but I haven't talked to her
in a while. So yeah, she helped me to did
you remember come over? Oh no, no, wait? Why does
she give give them the money? Do you remember? I

(25:54):
want to stay with.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Them last year, and I think she might have given
her money like two or three times, not just that
I want, maybe like the last three years.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
In the last time Jim saw her, I thought at
one time, and someone told me that she didn't want
to see him anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
She told him that one of her looks and stuff.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Yeah, I don't know, because he didn't come when I
was around his mom.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Did his mom was shooty? His mom? Did his mom shooty?
That's shooting? Okay, not the neighbor, but that's where they Yeah,
I can't think of the neighbors. It's I mean not
right now. It's on my phone, but I can't think
of the neighbor's name.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
But the neighbor would be probably the one who saw
her just as not as much as me, but I
mean more, you know, and helped out.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
When she fell. I need help, can't.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
And then Judy was Jim's mom, and she would come
every softer. She thought he had more than Jim. I
saw her towards the.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Anim more than Jim. So I don't know they ll
lond Jim. I couldn't tell you. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Who's there's another beneficiary in the who's that?

Speaker 2 (27:04):
That is Korean's son. Korean is her best friend. She's like,
my mom, does Korean come over and help her again?
I don't know anyone. You don't say.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
I kind of ask you why why screen coming over?
Because she's my best friend right now? So she's in
the hospital. Got her besides white guys publishing with you?
If you know that right now, so you can take
care of your god.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
You know, if half to Hill didn't know she was
in the hospital, she didn't want to know. She didn't
want to see him. So yes, but that's how she was,
and she did field her. She didn't want to around.
I mean I would have been around she tell you
she I mean she didn't.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
Say, yeah, don't come, don't this, don't they I mean
she did what she wanted and how she wanted.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Some days she didn't feel that I usually know if
she is that, don't come.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
Mostly it was because she didn't want me to make
the trip out. And I mean I'm not saying I
did every time, but I mean she called me, I'd
be all doing something. She called me and she fall,
I'd have to leave him go, and I would. It
wasn't a question of oh, well let's see you.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Maybe I'll come. I mean I just went. You have
to this dude you're living in when that's your white friend,
is it? Scott or Craiger? Scott Craig. Does she ever
go to see her? No, he's never met her, so
she'd never wanted to meet him, just because because she
was sick.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Well, I'm sorry, you don't mean he would have loved
to meet her, but she just didn't want to do it.
She one time, only one time she was willing to
allow him to come to the house because she said, well,
this isn't want I looked like her.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
But I told you she came the.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Weight and everything in the last Well, the wait was
two three years, but her apparents changed. Joey said, I'm
not I don't want anybody to see me and I
bead Well he's in south of Maria, but no, just.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Can't drop him off and home.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
So okay, anyone else have contact with her besides you
and the neighbor.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Do you mean contact? Well, people talk to her. I'm
talking about go see her physically at the apartment. That's
the neighbor. No, right, I don't hear your name is
in Judy Geen Jean. She's a neighbor, Judy Jim's mom.
Do you know her? What's her last name? You know?

(29:25):
I gave you all? Okay, sorry, I don't have it.
That's fine. I've implan on. I'm doing this today hot
with Okay, that vacation. Yeah, I really did plan this.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
I mean, I'm wanting a good information and don't get
me wrong, but not this way to implan on never
getting arrested again.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
I'm supposed to be out paper at the end of
the year. And O gotcha? Did you ever use the
credit cards for something you weren't supposed to? Never? All
everything on there is for always promission always.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
I know better.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
I know better.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
There's a reason I don't want to be sitting in
these I know.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Better, and I really and you know why I asked, right,
I feel like you're asking.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Because of my history. I feel like I'm singing cuffs.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
For a reason.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Now, I'll be very honest with you, guys. I feel
like this is all mixed together. Policy No, but I
mean I feel like I was brought in because of this.
I didn't put two into.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Together until I saw you guys, And I'm wondering why
I was going to walk the shop her. I was
having to sleep when I love the house. But I'm
really starting to think, you guys think I did something
or I did something wrong. And if you knew Lynn,
you knew the way she was. I didn't do anything
else that was like, I don't ever does I don't know.
That's why I'm That's why I'm asking a lot of

(30:46):
questions because I don't know who she was. I get it,
you know what I mean. It's one of the disadvantages
of doing this job is you know her untimately, no
I supposed to be there.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
It's called tetrain.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
What is that eye drops? She's eye dress all the time?
What is she using for?

Speaker 4 (31:08):
She using for her eyes, But she went through them
like crazy, which didn't makes sense.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, like how when you say a lot, how much
was she using?

Speaker 4 (31:15):
I probably brought her four bottles while she was in
the hospital. Yeah, she put them in her eyes all
the time, all the time. And I was like, I've
never met somebody that goes to She's like, my eyes.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Are always dry, always what kind of drops her? Whatever kind?
She can't care how I get history? Man, I drop
kin you for choice? Icing is it? Well, no, there's
different she likes a different kind. I don't know without
looking at it. I really don't. Okay, the hospital didn't

(31:45):
have concerns with it.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I mean, she added, sting out her sing the last
couple weeks. What was that? What would that do? Anyway?
I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Apparently it's not good for you to use a lot
of eye drop, and that's what the medical examiner is
concerned about.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Did they look at her house because she has bosses
had Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Because she was well known for eye drops? Okay, yeah,
because I'm like, what is that? That sounds really weird
to be given too. Yeah. So are you going to
buy eye drops for her? You're buying at the end
seeing stuff that I bought for her all the time. Yeah,
how many? How many bots? The eye drops are? Thought?

(32:30):
You're buying a week? Maybe in a week, I don't
I don't know a week.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
But usually everytime I was a story she asked for him.
So I get anywhere maybe like six an a time.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Okay, and you're probably buying so six, three times a week. No,
I don't think that. I don't know. I don't have
the time drops. I couldn't tell you how often.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
But usually anytime I went to get her water or something,
and she'd be like, O, get eye drops or get
you know. I always had the same list usually what
she wanted.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
We're say water, so we're like bottle of water. That's
just what she preferred. Yes, she didn't drink. She didn't
trust her. She did ever since she lived in the apartments.
She said the water was just funny. She had attested like.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Three times, and she said that she had a bands
taste to it, like it well water or whatever, because
she lived in on places with well water.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
So she's not like that. For as long as I
can remember, she ever tastes the water. I need do
drink the bottle too. It's haunted for me. Andrew's poll
at home asking if you tasted the water. But maybe
I don't know. No, I drink bottle just like her.
I never liked because we have too. I'm still.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Did you ever see her like squirt the stuff? And
did you ever see these differents in alcohol? But she's
taking her pills.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Oh it's fun. Well, what do you mean alcoholic spirits?
Spirits back up? Yeah, drink by all the time. That's
what was her main drink. The last couple of weeks
was she drinking. She drink up until I can't even
see for sure. I know when she passed. She still
bottles at the house.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
She normally would go through too, make things of vodka
and four days, but I can't.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I can't honestly say it.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
When you say big ones, the big one point lead ones,
there's the what's the.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Handle on it? The places, the big inflations or fish questions.
Makes a vodka, I don't want to see. It's a
big place.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
It's the biggest one you can probably get. She'd go
through two of those in four days.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
But I don't know what she was usually drinking at
the end.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
I don't because she'd say she wouldn't have when I'd
come there.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
And she would drink me. So the day of her death,
in the morning, were you there, Yeah, she just thinks
she's drinking that day. I don't remember if I saw
a cup butter or not. To be honest, if you
saw her drinking at nine in the morning, would you, Oh? No,
she was to wake up and drink at three or
four in the morning. That was normal. That was normal. Yeah,

(34:59):
that's how a lie to At the end, she can't
drive a lot because you never know she doesn't have
a drink.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
And when she took pills and she's she's drinking and
take her pills, you say he should throw that, and
then she takes on your business, right her if.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
You do, Lyn, she's been doing us for years. This
is just what she did. I'm sorry, but it's what
she did. She ain't gonna change it. You're sorry. She
got four or five guys. Uh huh. She's been doing
drugs just as long.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
She's not gonna change because I tell her or anybody
tells her. Nor am I going to make her change.
It's her choice. She's older than me.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
You know I don't do it. But no, I it's
it's just.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
I guess it's hard for me because you guys don't
know her, and anybody who knows her but will tell
you the same thing.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
This is how she is. It's you're not gonna tell
a full grown adult that you can't drink when you
are I mean not kidding.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
She would call sometimes at six in the morning, completely
wasted because that's what.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
She wanted to do if she felt like, Yeah, she said,
you for an hour on the phonem And yes, I
did know what she was saying.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
I'll be honest, she was very hard to understand what
she started drinking and use their pills and whatever?

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Did you go check on her then? And if she
caught you six in the morning, and I'll pull out
all and said, you usually got.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Six in the morning. Yes, not always, because I mean
that's just how I was used to know. That was hers.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
So I knew she wasn't going anywhere but the DOUI
she knew not to get an a vehicle and drive anywhere.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
So that's why I happened. So she knew her consequences.
And yes, she that was the one thing she finally
learned a long time ago. You know, I don't know either.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
I can tell you she got out.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Around the first time I went. That's the best thing
I can tell you. Twice I got revoked. You want
so if you thought she was doing something wrong with
the pills, you would have tried to stop her, right, Well,

(37:07):
I told her all the time, she's done something wrong.
But she doesn't have the right amount of pills in there.
But that's I mean, I don't know what you mean
by stopping. I'm not going to take your pills away
from her. Her she you know how to follow her.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Did you ever see that happen before? When was the
last time she saw her? And then she's sworn the
hills and tore them out the last one just before.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
I say, or two, and I'll be honest, there's been
three times that she said, I want to give up.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I don't want to do the.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Same one as I said the day went comes, I
want her help. Day comes, I said, I'm not helping
you do anything when it comes to pills or mess
around with anything. That's I'm not looking for trouble. I'm
not trying to get in trouble. But she's a full
grown adults the working type of thing.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
To help her kill herself, she she wanted a million times.
I mean she just was sick upy instead. And that's
why it's towards the end. I mean we said, Lynn,
you enable back in. You don't know what that can
help you. As a doctor, we physically don't know what
more to do for you.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
When you completely give up and you're not eating, drinking,
you're doing whatever you want when you want to your body,
but you're not doing physically what you're biting is it's
going to shut down on you and hers why is
and that's why when she went in the last time,
they were shocked.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
We walked in and said, how are you even walking
in here?

Speaker 4 (38:27):
Brand We did get a wheelchairs since we got in there,
but she just didn't care. She was at that point
where nobody was helping her. They weren't telling her what's.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Wrong with her. She didn't know what more to do.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
When we were in the morning of her cat that
you with your impression that something with that was going
to happen, that I didn't looking.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Back at it after the things she's done right away,
I mean when I came back and one the way
I found her.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
And replaying everything in my head from that day, I know,
I know that's what hurts the most. I didn't know
when I left. I mean, obviously if I would have known,
he would never left. I Mean, that's the hardest part
I have to live with, is knowing that she did
this and I could have been there, I could have
made to get her help or something. That's my hardest part.

(39:16):
That's why I want to know what the hell's wrong
or what's going on with her.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
But for me, that the worst part is she died
and I wasn't there, and I felt like she did
it so i'd find her.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
That she wanted me to fight her, but she did
it knowing that I was going to find her, and
she just wanted to be alone and she didn't. I mean,
she loved that there. I loved the thing. And you know,
I mean the thing is she's that she said, no,
she said, I'll see it later on. I mean her usual,
but it was just you know that she was rushing me.

(39:50):
Just go, don't you what you try to do? Just go?
I mean, I I'll see a little bit later, you know.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
And then I think it's just certain things I guess
over the course of time.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
You know that she said, and you know, she was
very big, and you know, I want the doctors. You know,
the doctors aren't helping me. I want to know what's wrong.
I want to know. And then you know, the next
day she I just don't care anymore. I don't want
to be here. I it. You know, she hit this

(40:20):
or she went back and forth, and she always was
I'm sick of being sick. I'm sick of being sick.
That's all she ever said. Because I'm sick of being sick.
I just want to feel better. She had an order
that she kind of crushed the crushed the pills up
for her.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
No, you never did very once in a blue mole,
because when she didn't have the stranger would say, you know,
I want this one on my playing.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
You didn't crush them for the favorite. You wouldn't crush
the car before you left. The last time she caught
her with the sworn and the pills. Did you have
to take this one away from her?

Speaker 2 (40:59):
She with you? I mean i'd take it in the
plate and spoon away from her. But I've also brought
back to her because there were certain pills she couldn't swallow. Physically,
she couldn't. I mean we'd sit there and.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
They'd come back up, sit there and they come back,
so I mean went it went both ways.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
As far as the pills she crushed. I mean I
didn't sit there and let crushed twenty pills in my presence,
you know, I let her the main few that she
always did.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Usually if I come to act, there'd be more or
different ones, or you know, you didn't tell by looking
at a plate.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
You know, obviously they're all white, you can't tell. But
I mean, I'm telling you, I know when I left
every day and I'd come back and the.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Pillar mounts aren't what they should be, and then she
always kind of fills on the side of.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Her that weren't that she didn't take any more, and
those were.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Suddenly getting put up on the table and shed like
none of those kind of staying. You know, she'd make
up stuff and she'd act like she didn't, you know,
like I didn't have.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Those days or I didn't take any of those. I'm like,
why are they out?

Speaker 1 (41:54):
I'm guessing at one point you tried to like get
rid of the old pills and try to get organized.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
No, I've never tried to get of her all pills.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
You do not touch her stuff when it comes to that,
you do not.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Because her thing was that fining it down the road.
I'm gonna take it. There were her pills prescribed her
even though she wasn't taken them anymore.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
They were hers. I was not.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
There's some things you do not mess with the purse
and put them where she when they were out of
her reach and hit them from her.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
So she couldn't find them. She's pissed. Those are her pills.
They're prescribed to her, and I thought, you know what,
I'm not gonna argue with you. We spent an hour
and a half fighting about it. They're her pills. I
am not responsible for her. She's a full grown adult.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
I gave them back to her because I spent an
hour and a half fighting with her.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
I catch, but she catched some response. Because you're paying,
she's paying you to kind of help her. You have
some responsibility, you know. It's not that she was like
this before she was sick.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
If it wasn't this pill, it was that pill. She's
been like this for years, and that was before she
was sick. She liked her pills, doesn't.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Matter what it is or wasn't. She was. She was
well known to like drugs and alcohol. That never changed.
Lynn grew up that way and she just stayed that way.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
Maybe the pills changed with an alcoholic change or the
drug choice er, but that's what she did.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
So it's just so preacherting. So just being up like
how she was.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
And I'll tell you that she didn't overdose and any
kind of prescription medication everything was a therapeuy to Bubba.
That means she didn't have too much of in her system,
but she's supposed toick two hundred milligrams of They were.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
There, That's what her blood showed that, that's what she
was taking. Killed hers. The eye drops? Are you serious?
Do you think someone.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Would have went in there and tried to kill her
with eye drops put in her in her drink?

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Does anyone have a motive? No, Jim No, that's all
her kareen financially squaret away. She doesn't need the money.
It's nothing for money. This is what Wynn wanted. I'm
telling you that she looked at a million. I didn't
know that, but she looked at ways. Yeah, long time ago.

(44:15):
She looked at the bay thing. I mean, this is
something she knew what she was doing. Obviously I didn't
realize it, but she didn't know what she was doing.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
Laden was very determined to go out in her own way.
She was determined to do things her way. That was
just quine simple and I didn't say it, but she
did what she did the same with her pills. I mean,
she got sick on her vodkast, she got sick on pills.
She she did a lot of things that I don't

(44:49):
agree with, but she didn't.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
The way she wanted them. I don't know how I'm
wanted to say it. Medical Zamba tries to think someone
killed her. Are you serious? Okay? Why is that? Because
they didn't find any vizine bottles next to her. They're
all over her house, but she didn't really move around.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
That's what we were told is she didn't really move
so that medicals advertising.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
I cannot actually tell you. I know I did that.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
They're all in her vathroom and there was two in
her night stand next to her. They were on her
nightstand next to her. I swear to God, I know
they were because she always kept them right there.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Well, there's a picture of the nightstand. If the medicals
ever does a real thorough job. And I am really
what you're saying, I don't know anybody who would do
that to her. And I'm not lying. I don't know
anybody who would want to do that who I don't know.
I'm asking you. I don't know anybody. I don't know either.
That's my maxkin I know, I know out of curiosity.

(45:47):
She was in the hospital for two weeks. Why wasn't
this soon there? Apparently the body of metabolizes it very quickly.
That's why you can put it in your eyes. I
say metabolized. You know what that means? Well? I do?
I mean, and people use eye drops tapape rug that
I can step in and drink like a nickey. Yeah.

(46:08):
Effect was in a movie one time. Apparently, not pressures.
I think that it was us like diarrhea or something.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
That because your diarrhetica and did one have diarrhea at
all all the time, all the time, which kind of
mean that medical Zamber thinks someone was given this to
her and in an attempt to kill her, because she
has a lot of it in her A lot, a lot,
like enough you can't take it through your I has

(46:35):
to be ingested through through orally.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
I've never seen her drink it ever ever, And why
would you drink eye drops?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I mean, what would it taste like?

Speaker 1 (46:44):
I don't even know, but I don't know. It's it's
very odd. This is why it's taking so long. So
I put a lot of research on this. Either you know,
it's not like rat place and that the little rat
poison thing with a white All.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Her medications were completely normal.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
I just I find that very weird. In fact, there's
no there's two pills in her stomach. That's it. So
Michael Vammers seeing the things to body was staged. I
was the only one there, and I didn't stage. I
didn't buy. I'm not lying. It was the only one there.
You're freaking I know where you're freaking me out right now,

(47:25):
and I know what people are going to think. And
I spent the most of all the time with her
and I didn't kill her my family. I told you
here it is, this is something's wrong. I see that obviously.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
I mean I kind of figured something was wrong period,
because I didn't.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Think it should take this long. But I didn't think
this is what you're told me. I thought it was
going to be to it to figure out pills or
something of that nature.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
It's rodd because the pills are where they're supposed to be.
Everything's fine, there's no pills in her stomach, and I say, no,
there's two pills.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, which is inconsistence to her. But the thing consistent
when she pushed she should have been taking on the right.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Well, I don't know how long pills and I don't
know either, hell long takes to process her to system.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
But if someone's spooning hills.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Under their mouth, they're going to be here, you know,
And there's not they're not tetting.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
What about the pudding? Did they kind of quitting? I
don't know. I can't answer. I mean, I'm just scared
because I do know the day before I was there
for contracts like pills. Pills kind of stand out.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Yeah, you know, I understand, but I'm saying that they're
crush pills. I just remember the day before when I
left at nighttimes, she took.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Her putt her pills in her pudding, and I was
there for that.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah, that was like her regular. But then you saw
her in the morning and she's fine. I mean, I
mean it's I mean, she wasn't fine, but she wasn't.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
She wasn't like this. She was talking to you, I'll
see you later on that kind of stuff. And then
you come back and she wasn't. She was asleep when
I got there. She was her regular, you know, only
talked for a little bit. It wasn't like you to
think something was eminently wrong. Nothing need to call nine
to one. No, I would have called it a herdbeat obviously.

(49:08):
I mean I'm the one who took her in. I'm
the one who called the other time.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
As if she didn't, I would have never thought anything
anything of that rture nature.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Ever, again, the medical standard is concerned because it looks
like the body staged with the spoone and the plate,
because there's no pills in her. Her medicines are five
therapeutically in the blood. Everything's where it's supposed to be.
There's this tetras and in her system. And I'm probably
mispronouncing that I am. However, she's supposed to have zero

(49:39):
parts in your body. She has one hundred and sixty parts.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
They'll say.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
They say sixty parts is lethal to an adult. That's
kind of the common belief in the medicals.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Like how much is that? Like a part? Let you
say parts.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
That's a scientific term, okay, So I means that like
five glasses or.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Things.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Don't think about four to five bottles of the of
the little bottles of my drops and the typical vizine drops.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
It's probably things she died. Do they know that exactly?
They don't. And it's not on TV where they put
a thermometer in and go.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
The bodies and dad Approssimately between you know, four and
in two hours, two and four hours, doesn't It doesn't
work that way in real life.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Chelsea died that day.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
They go back based on the rigor mortis on kind
of stuff and that kind of stuff, but even that's
not exact science to the minute. So that's why we're
real concerned about how there's no pills in her the
bloods therapeutic.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
She's this high level of.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
This drug in her system and it has to go
and walk quickly. Because originally when we found this out,
we kind of thought, well, maybe this was being done
over a period of time that it builds up in
your system, that kind of stuff like you know, being
accidentally ingested through the eyes. And it took her a

(51:04):
long time, a lot of falls to Boston, that kind
of stuff to get some more information on this.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
A lot of a lot of real smart people have
been working on this for the last January. I get
they've been working on for a long time. That's why
I thought we got something we don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
So, I mean, the medical TAMA is going to understand up.
You don't think it was the neighbor's name again, not Judy, It's.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Jeans. I don't thank you. I don't see anybody doing this.
I really don't.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
I mean, I know all these people, but I don't
see any of them doing this. I'm gonna be one
hundred percent, I don't.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
I don't see it, any of it. I don't this.
This doesn't even sound right in my mind.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
It's it's like mind blowing because I thought for sure
it was this, and I would have never in a million.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Years thought differently. And I'm being one hundred percent. I
just don't see it. Well, they're trying to look at
this as a murder. That's just insane to me. This
is why I am here. One of the reasons. Do
you guys think I murdered her? Did you? I swear
to God I spend I want to have the most

(52:15):
again on this, I have no reason to murder her.
I could see why people I think i'd have the
most Again, I have no reason to murder. She is
my family. I I'd rather never be here now. I
did not murder her. Under whatever I have to I
did not murder her. I did not. I have one
hundred percent honest with you. I didn't help her end

(52:37):
her life. I didn't help her in your life because
I'd understand that, you kid, I didn't. I swear to
God I did, because my dad's dieing there.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
He stay in Christopher, I want to die. I get
that they're just tearing it and you love them so
much and you don't know what to do.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
No, I didn't. It's really good.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
I did not.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
I've gotten her everything she wanted. But I never would
have thought that. I would have never in a million years,
I would have never done this.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
I would have never done this. This is the worst
thing that for anybody.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
And if she even knew this right now, or knew
that I was going through this, she would be in shock,
complete shock, because this is the one she would have wanted.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
I can tell you that for a hundred percent. I
didn't do it. I didn't do it.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
I didn't help her. I didn't do anything without what
she wanted. And I don't even want to say it
like that because it doesn't sound right. But I didn't
give her anything. I didn't even give her her pills
wrong or vodka or draw. I didn't give her anything.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
I didn't give her this eye drop or whatever it's called.
I didn't do any of that. I didn't give her
anything except for buying herself.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
I didn't physically put anything in anything, crush up anything.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Make her swallow anything, put her. I didn't do it.
Whatever it is, I didn't do it.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
I had her own will, except with I would put in,
you know, or I would get her water or get
her pudding for her, or crush.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Up the few things.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
But I never put anything in anything except the way
she had. I didn't. I didn't put eye drops or
anything with I drops them, sub purchase them. I didn't
give them to her. I didn't nothing. I swear to
God that I didn't. This is just freaking me out.
You know how much money did she give you over
the last two years? Do you think a lot? I

(54:23):
don't know dollar wise? Phone number out to me maybe
twenty thousand.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
If a forensic accountant looked at the stuff and thinks
it's closer through one hundred and ninety thousand.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
That surprise you and I, but not so. I honestly
don't know. Its close to a couple hundred grand in
the last three years. Oh, yes she does. That's a
lot of money. It's pretty sific A difference from twenty thousand. Well,
I guess I don't really I get a ballet. I
guess I just don't sit and think about it, like all,

(55:00):
she's done a lot. I mean, don't get me wrong,
but I don't sit and think about it that way.
I'd be killing her is going to do? What? What
would that do?

Speaker 4 (55:09):
I'm just curious because how would I get her money?
I'm splitting it with somebody, and we paid bills. So
I didn't make a fortune off her dying, or was
I looking to? Because I didn't kill her. She didn't
work for me alive. And I don't mean that in
a mean way.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I mean it truthfully. She did a lot for me,
So the fact that her being dead would do what
for me.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Well, that's kind of coming up to overtake the assets.
She has more credits than she has money, so the
money's running out.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Yeah, So I don't care what you mean by that. Yeah,
they were. I don't understand what you're saying. The fact
is is she paid you two hundred thousand dollars over
the last three years. She was a part. You handle
the money.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
You are on the sign herround the account, you are
running the show, you are handling the credit card stuff.
You know what's going on financially with her. The money
is going to be gone here shortly, so.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
I would kill her because of that. People do weird things.
Why would I kill her for money? I mean it's family.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
I tend to think that you didn't. When do you
say kill her? It's just I don't think you killed her.
I think she was sick and she didn't want to.
She was done and she wanted to finish her her
life and she needed help. Should wanted help.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
I understand that I help as far as helped her,
though I did. I think I administered her. I did not.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Metical Zammer tends to think that someone else had a
givens her because it makes you roll lethargic and you
kind of follow it out of consciousness. At the levels
off she was in her which someone has to keep
giving it to her because she's not capable of going
to get another bottle.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
She would be capable of just holding into the bottles
which aren't found around her. She needed someone to help her. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
I always picked up her carbridge buyer in bottles, but
I didn't put anything, and I'd never even on captain
for her.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
She did that herself. I gotcha, but that day with
the level of drug that's drug in her.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Someone needed to give it to her, because she once
she starts to take it, she's not gonna.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Be able to function properly at that level of tuxady.
She just she won't be able to watch. She won't
She'll be living to sup her eyes. I wasn't there, though,
and I get receeds to prove that I wasn't there.
I was there for a short time. Does that not
help me? Because I can see what you guys are thinking,
but I literally was trying. I'm thinking that she helped her.

(57:50):
I didn't help her. I swear it on I did
not help her. I would tell you honestly that truth.
She'd asked me a million times to help her with things,
and I did not help her.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
She Therefore, short time was short time, like an hour
or two at the most, and then you went back
home or errands.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
I ran errands. I am. I went to stores. I
was shopping for hours. Which store did you go to them?
I went to pick?

Speaker 4 (58:11):
And which one on high hundred? I didn't get the
receipts for everything.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
High hold on. Let me just make freethink and make
sure I got the right stores. Take your time, No,
because this is a big deal. Is a big deal.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
I believe it was Pick and Save in high Ine,
hundred and house corners, Woodman's. I think I went to
Woodman Such. It was like four stores Walnert It was
those stores. And I have actual like re seats and
proof I went.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
I mean, I can get them. I don't have them
on me. But I was literally gone for like maybe
four to six hours. I mean, the neighbor knows when
I was there that morning, when I left. I want
there are a ton of that day and I left,
and I was going for a couple of hours. I
don't know, I was like maybe four to six. I

(59:06):
don't know when you found me. Who's your first? Who'd
you call? I called that on mommy immediately. I don't
know if there's my phone or the home phone. I
think there was the home I don't I honestly don't know.
You know what time you got there? Maybe five or six.

(59:36):
I honestly don't know. You called nine one, four fifty five.
I'm sorry, you know we got your phone arcs Okay,
I mean I really called somebody called nine one, but
we got you called your mom four minutes before that,
and you're already there because I was probably pulling up.

(59:57):
Why would tell your mom as we were pulling up?
I don't know. I talked to my mom all the time,
I really do, I talked to her all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
I don't know why I would have I don't know
for sure that day, why I would have called her first.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I don't know. Did you call her first? I honestly
don't know. I don't think so. I thought I called
nine one one first. It looks like you called your
mouth first and then nine one one. I don't people
are shocked through weird things. I honestly don't know right now.
I mean, this was all just shocking me out. You know,

(01:00:33):
how long do you think you were there that morning?

Speaker 7 (01:00:38):
At the most two hours? It's not it'sists okay, how
long was I?

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I thought it was about two I'm sorry. I didn't
have a nine hour ninety months ago, ten months ago.

Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
Now you were there for about four hours. Again, it's
it's it's a difference, Jesse. If we tell you I underland,
you remember nine ten months ago. So he wants specific
details because when you tell us I did the gaping before,
when it was not, she gave about twenty thousand, No
she gave me two hundred thousand. There's a significant two

(01:01:16):
hours and four hours. It's a pretty big time there.
So I we're trying to figure this out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I understand. I wrote a statement that day though that's
my best retellection. I'd spend how imagine what you just said?
Ormagine what you just said. So your statement's off and
now what your telegns is off because you're there for
about four hours.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
I did not kill her, Oh my god, this is
just I did not kill her. I didn't give her anything.
I've never given her anything. I don't even I never

(01:02:00):
gave her any, guys, and I swear to god, i'd
never put it in her stuff ever, that potation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Side that prior not nothing. Did anybody ever? And you
know this is the time, it's all about the truth.

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
Did you or someone else in those last couple of
months fell out any paperwork for loans or open any
credit cards?

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
And again we've been digging for months on this. So Jesse,
who who was trying to do that?

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Ship Lynn took out Linn and me together we took
out a loan from.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Who That was the main of work you did? Do
you know? Because the papers were there clearly. When we
were there that day, we didn't know this. We didn't
know what was going on for a couple of months
before I met it was on call. So there's a problem.
So no, we don't know. A lot of books say that,

(01:03:00):
though I think last and said she gave the a condo.

Speaker 8 (01:03:03):
She okay, But so you guys are trying to we
went to We went well, we looked numerous times at
her bank, and then she took out one from she
hadn't be looking all over for different places.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
I don't know the name of it offhand right now, but.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
We tried a lot of different things because she her
goal wise, her main goal was to get out of there,
to put that place up for sale, get out of
there and get somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
But realistically she didn't have the funds anymore to do that.
That's what she wants to hate that condle. Why do
you think she would give you that much money? She
was out of mind.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Well, she wasn't out of money, and when she first started,
she wasn't not money at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
That was towards the end to say she was out
of money and she just spent it how she wanted
to spend it. It wasn't that she was completely outward.
Did she applied? I mean who applied for long? Because
we know they were both of us.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
She had me to look out online s to her
because she didn't do anything online, So I will say
both of us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
I didn't do anything project. But also no, I don't
I don't be honest. I mean we looked at so
many places she can have internet access, but I never
did anything without her permission. I'm not lying. That's one
thing I didn't do. To everything I've ever done, i'd
had permission from life. I mean she has in writing

(01:04:37):
a really a different things. Because of that, I've never
forged her name. I've never nothing. Were you in dead,
it's not really What would you do with the money?
What would you have done with two hundred thousand dollars over?

(01:05:00):
I mean I was at that time over someone opened
tried to open up credit when she was still alive. Yeah,
we did a lot of times.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
It wasn't your phone number that was used, Okay, wasn't
her phone number, So tell me, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
You see, like things look real weird all the time
because we're looking at winds.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Financials and there's a bunch of stuff there prior to
her death, and it's like, well, this doesn't make a
lot of sense because she's given you, she's taking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Her care of you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
You're making your money taking care of her. And I
know how people are being, so I'm not faulting you.
I'm taking care of someone that's sick because it's hard.
It's hard, like when someone's pushing I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
But she also wasn't that type of person, and I
said it so. I mean, obviously, I feel like anything
I say is unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
At this point, but she was, and the hospital can
attested that's because she said she was there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
I'm going to run out my debt. I am not
leaving anything and I am not paying anything. That was
what she said all the time. I mean, it wasn't
a joke. I wasn't making it up. She used to
be in debenerable life until her parents' side, and herd
thing was is she's not leaving shit, She's not paying anybody,
and she's not leaving it for her. That was always
her thing. Why would your mom try to take a

(01:06:21):
loan out in her name? I don't see my mom.
I'm doing that to be honest, would.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
You use your mom's phone number to apply online with
a credit for one? We might have, but everything I
did was with li your number.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
I don't know. That's what I'm kind of weird about it.
It's sure like it wasn't like a second number, because
I've always used my own or limbs, me and Linny.
Everything we applied for we did together. And I'm not lying.
I never try to take anything out without her knowing. Ever,
I'm not that I can honestly say it happened to
the jewelry. We sold it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Let me see we well there's still in her ring left,
so the pendant and the ten thousand dollar grace.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Since you told me about where's that one thousand racelet?
Was sold? Where it's on the quarter of seventy sixth Street.
Everyone who's involved knows it was sold.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
They know all about it. Who's holding me and Anthony
made the decision to sell it? So is it Anthony
sold it? Someone got put their name on the paper. No,
we talked about it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
I brought it in and sold it. We went to
about eight different places.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Okay, so the one on seventy six it's so Robert Hack. Yes,
that's where I got my lane ring. Where else did
you go for the ring to sell stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Oh? We went everywhere. I mean I looked all over
names I don't I don't know exact names, I'll be honest,
but I thoroughly searched around.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Like I went to how much did you get for
the ten thousand dollars bracelet nineteen?

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Thanks you daughter, because they said it wasn't worth that.
And that was after taking into eight different jewelry stores
and M I got everywhere as low as eleven hundred. Really,
and Anthony was with you when that happened. No, he
knows about it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
And there's documentation my driver's license, and they have everything,
did you right in the estate account?

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
And that went to pay one of them's creditors through
Buckster coming m Anthony, He.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
He helped you dishold of the property. Then remember the
last time we had that stake. Yeah, that was a
pain in the JUPA. Yeah he got he had half
of those funds. Is he supposed to get the car?

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Yeah, he said so, but that was always promised to
my mom.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Does Jim Jim thought he was supposed to get the car? Yeah,
Anthony said, she said, but there was.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Paperwork on that that was always from unerful examiner report.
That's puzzling. I agree, and I haven't had to explain it.
We have to explain it to the boss and eventually
may be a judge. Is it possible, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
That you got the bottles for when that morning, left
it on the table next to her. No, no, no,
I didn't. I didn't get her anybody seen that morning
that I didn't even know of. I think probably the
last one I got it. I don't know last it
was I bought it for. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
I know that morning though I'm almost positive I did
not go to the store before I went to her house.
And I I know she always had one or two
on one of those tables by her and arrest were
in her mathroom.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
I know that for a fact. But the last two
days were that she was moving around swell because she
said she she was getting going. That's the pee thing
right there. Not Yes, she did, but now it's just
in case I wasn't there to help her.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
She made herself get up once or twice a day
to get some movement because she had to.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
So usually I would help walk with her or she
would use her walk with it. No she did get off,
but not a lot. I mean, I will, I said that, right.
So do you think if she's in there because she
could get up and walk around? Probably not right, m
I mean she did to an extent, not often. I

(01:10:36):
did not give her a nice oninge medical treat No,
I work. I don't want this.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
And you ever worked at a hospital or I did
you a third shift ere admitting, But I was the patient.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
I was the apprentice. Yeah, because I guess we'll concerned me.

Speaker 6 (01:10:53):
As you said earlier, Lynn was in the hospital, you'd
bring her meds. You're probably well aware that her stuff
that so why.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Would you bring it to her?

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
So they took away her certain meds from her. They
were giving her generic something she had the prescription.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
It was due for a refill.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
I didn't know that she knew her refill days and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
She asked me to go pick it up. I got
it for since it's her prescription. When I brought it back,
I let the staff know at the hospital that I
went and got it for her. I don't know if
she kne allowed.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
To have it. She wanted it, so I said, please, no,
you know, do whatever you want to do. I just
want to make you aware.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
She got it, and they did. They took it from her.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
They went in She got it on her stand, like
under a cup or something.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
I didn't know where she put it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
They knew that, but they went in there and they
took it from her, and they told her, we'll give
it back to when you're.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Released anyone else. We're going to try to help her. Honest,
they don't know. I don't. I don't see it. But
obviously I don't see any of this right now, so
I don't know. Did you impose on all each other
before her death? You, Auntie, and know each other before
her death? We never officially met at knew Kareem, but

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not him. No, we didn't. Like I said, none of
Lind's friends really went out with each other. We didn't
hang out with Jim. We didn't hang out with I mean,
they all knew of each other, but we didn't hang
out together. You know how we found out about one's
death from I think for me, I'm the one who know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
If I had most people, but some of them got
ahold of each other ahead of time to Sidle.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
How'd you get his number? She had her phone book
and I knew Judy's number because me and Judy always Captain.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
Kinder Christ was sick and Judy's mother, Judy is yes,
Judy is Jim's mother.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Jim's mother Karine and Judie Are they are? They're just friends.
Are they related? I don't know. If they're friends, they're
not related. Okay, you don't think Jim would have went there,
do you? I don't know any of them enough to
tell you. I don't. I'm sorry, but I don't. Does
your mom know Jim a little? But I don't know

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to what extent Jim was around when I was little,
so I don't. I don't really remember. So your mom
knows Jim, then if you're und I don't know. Like
I said, a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Us know each other, but we didn't all hang out together,
so I don't know how much of the time he
was around when my mom was you know, I know
they were dating on an offense, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Know to what extent. You say that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
I got to fears your mom was dating Jim. No, no, no, no, okay,
So he's around, but he's here there with Lynn, so
he just he knows your.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Mom through Lynne because he has got nothing but an aship.
This whole time. Mm hmm. I mean he's been so mean,
so rude. He was mad at us because he kept
calling when she was in the hospital.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
She didn't want anybody to know. And then I finally
did end up telling him. So he was nothing but
rude with us the last fourteen months.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
I mean it was he was just not nice, not nice,
and my calling to find out one in the hospitals
and seem like, no, no, he just they called, went
to my answers in the hospital and I answered the phone,
and they didn't like that she wasn't answering, and I said, well,
I'm sorry, I went's in the hospital right now. Why
anyway calls, I said, because she didn't want anybody to know,

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That's reasonable. And then well who are you? I said,
I'm Jesse, I've been helping. Well who are you? I said,
I'm he don't remember who. I was very rude and
nasty with me. It was just it was very.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
I don't know how to explain it, but he just
and then when we called him, he was the first
one to say, Okay, can I come to her house
and pick up whatever I want? Can I He just
he didn't have a good deman heir bahnah blah, I
am it. And I guess why we weren't a big
fan is because he started dating so eight years ago
and that girl was not the friendliest person, but she

(01:15:16):
always came around and she thought her and Lynn were
best friends. And Lin couldn't stand her, but Lynn always
loved him, so she always went on her way, you know.
So it just he when my mom drank, or when
she drinks, she gets very heated and he just sets
her off.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
That is what it is he he made. I don't remember.
I thought he like said something or did something that
frustrated her. I don't when she drinks, She's just a
person that gets very upset. That's I mean say it,
but she does so so.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
It was pretty vulgar. I didn't expect to hear it
out of your mom. You know what I'm saying. I mean,
should take care of herself. And this was like, oh
my god, no, that's those shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Do you know why she would see how it all
looks really weird? Because she calls her This is like
she calls him like in February. Oh why she called?
Because my I think this is that situation.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
I almost hasn't I had to visit that month with
my probation officer, and she told me that somebody contacted
her about Lynn.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
I was wondering why I was a beneficiary or something
along that nature. I don't remember the exact word.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
And she didn't give me a lot of information. And
so while you're talking to the wrong person, blah blah,
you know. And anyway, so when I saw my peo
and I said, that's really weird, and put you in
tell me who it was, I said, that's really weird
that somebody would call. Well, SHEI was the only one
way he was shoes with it. After Lynn died.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
He was the first one knew whant to go to
her house.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
He wanted to be in charge of everything he wanted,
you know, did that whatever. He's the one who wanted
the bracelet, was very furious he wasn't going to get it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
And the same with Korean's brother in law.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
So when the people was telling me that, the said
lion just assuming this is probably Jim because he was
also to do anything he could do.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
So that's why sod of him. No, my brother wants you.
I can't think of his name, right, Keith, Well, what's
what's his issue.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
He's the one that when you's sewing two drugs with
He's the one who just show He's the one who
also wanted the bracelet. She're the same people who wanted
the same things.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
That they wrote this famous bracelet. Yeah, that I didn't
think was famous at all. And it's never anterest him. Yah,
It's just it's puzzling.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Everything you told me today is puzzling to me right
now my mind. I told you I had information. I mean,
I didn't lie there. I mean, it's it's pretty significant. Yeah,
I understand. I'll be honest. Your arrested me for this
to day. Am I going to be sitting and approbations?
Well because of this grand informational holes, because of your agents.

(01:18:18):
I think she's upset about the money. Twee me and
you did you pay taxes on that money? You claim it?

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Mm hmm you did, It's not the RAS says yeah,
he did. You claimed two hundred thousand dollars in the
last two years.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
No, not all of it. I didn't have to claim
all of it. You don't have to. I didn't accountant
of my taxes. Yeah, you know you got two one
or grand from when I.

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
Don't know if you knew all because I didn't get
it all in one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Year, though it's over a couple of years. Yeah, you
guys are making it sound like she's getting his money
and then.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
She should write your check for torn large. But there's transfers,
there's a check your holds and that kind of stuff
that you're pay in the restitution. Bads were trying to
choose the po off now which swing you in her? Yeah,
because I don't know, you're a bunch of prior case.
Because I just wanted to make sure that you're goes

(01:19:11):
because she said you're a model.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
A model high. I mean, that's why I don't say.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
I'm just delirious because they come busting down my door
this morning, which I've never had happened to me, and
I watched IPD and all fun stuff, so that freaked
me out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
And then they said they were taking me a.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
Waukashaw and I was like, delirious, I'm going away to
a walk asho. And I said, is this all because
I didn't I wouldn't see them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
I didn't have a problem seeing you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
I just honestly couldn't make it because all of this
was having in shock and I'm like one, just going on,
I don't and then all of a sudden, I saw
you guys, and then I really like put two and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Two together, and I'm going, I have no problem talking
about I just couldn't make it this morning, and I am,
but I'm really enough problem. And but everyone has a
boss of life.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
And when that, metaphors were staying, we have a homicide
and you're the one that's last seen with her. You
had a lot of financial gain from her over the
last couple of years.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
I wouldn't kill her for I'll tell you that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
And again I told you I didn't think you did it.
I really I think Again, I told you what I think.
I was pretty honest. I think Lynn wanted to die
and New helped her.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
That's what I think. And I understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
And it's it's a plausible explanation because based on my investigation.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Of you, you're a pleasant person. You don't do built.
Your criminal history, besides the financial stuff is very vanilla.
You'll work. Your boyfriend seemed like a decent dude. Oh
it's great. I mean the kids were in the house
because he would.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Have you know what, you don't seem that the pedigree
of a whole budged killer to get it the people
with big hearts.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
That's the kind of person I think you are.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
And I think if someone that you're seeing every day,
you're staying every day, I don't want to be here.
I don't want to I'm sick of being sick. They
can convince you to assist them and their life. That's
the most plausible explanation to all this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
That's what I think.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
I don't think. I don't think that you were trying
to gain financially. So, like you said, she using such
death that you got almost nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
And it was but I never cared about that. I mean, honestly,
she's done so much for me over the years, and
I get that. So if I don't think you're cold
boded killer.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
The only other explanation if you're the one that's there
at the morning of her death and you're the one
that finds the body, and Amy says you're the one,
it appears to this is a homicide.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
It's just the suicide is the only explanation in my brain.
So you can think of something else, but I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
And that's I mean, that's something you can go to
a Judge and say, listen, Judge, having there every day
with her. She's dying and there's nothing I can do
about it. She's begging me to help her. And hindsight,
I wish I went to that this woman. You don't
understands she She was in pain, she was sick, sick, sick.

(01:22:19):
She wouldn't eat, she wouldn't drink, she didn't want her
diet for change. It was to the point where I
didn't know what else to do. There's no one else,
Like you said, everyone kind of liked her. And that's
what I'm hearing from everyone. I mean, no one hated her.
She didn't she didn't have a regular shold money to
her finances were okay.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
I mean she had death, but she wasn't. She wasn't
a hack or nothing. It was just she was. She
was done. Just as long as you know where your
mom was, where it went on, surgeon no one.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
I mean, we're going to continue to investigate that Silver
grand Gerald. I understand that if.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
I could please, I'm so straight on the fan, I
should just make com I understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
I get that you guys have to. I just want
to know what you guys are doing as at this moment.
Do you know when I will see her, I will
call him right I'm talking, I can read. I just
i'n't paranoid about my job right now because it's.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
Bad, because I knew I'm too. I I don't need
to lose it. It's a good job. It's a really
good job. I mean, I'm paranoid about because too. Don't
get me wrong, but I can't wrap.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
My head around this right this minute. I just there's
been a lot that I'm like, what and I can
respect that. I just we can both agree that you're
not a cold water killer. I'm sure, and you have
a big heart.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
This is now when I in a million years, I
would have never thought this. I'm not kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
I just I've been doing this a lot of years
and I have never seen anything this kind of case.
And I am mean basically nationwide, there's only been like
two or three.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
That's why it took so long, because you know, doctors
don't go on assumptions. They so this is why it's
taken such a long time. And then because of the
length of them these investigation, we dug into a lot
of stuff and it's just otherwise we don't have the
opportunity to look so thoroughly into the financial stuff and
all that kind of things.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Just we don't want to have that opportunity. And again
him and I disagree, but I think I think this
is I think you helped her out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
That's what I think she wanted to go, and she
needed needed a person, and you're the one that's you
trusted and loved.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
I don't I can see.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Yeah, I've bought her eye drops. I've never put them
in anything, and I would have never thought that ever
in a million years.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
I mean, that's just that's that's the biggest thing that
was one in my mind right now. Oh, she don't
have internet access. She doesn't. We always did everything on
the internet. I'm with Michael. Always she does to an
internet person.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
There's no searches on your phone for this is there
or any of your computers, because they're going to look
at them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
You understand them. You don't know why your mother would
try to. I don't see my mom doing that. I
really don't. Was your mom there when you and Lynn
were trying to do a credit app once it's not
for a mortgage, it's for one of those.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
Unsecured lines of credit. I got personal laws, and it
was done three times. It's your mom's number.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
All three times. I know my mom didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
I know that for she just have the kind of
girl that would go online to apply all stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Lady wasn't It wasn't in my mom's name. Was it
was in Wendsay Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
So I'm guessing it what it had been one of
the ones that we did, and I don't maybe I'd
put it in wrong or so. I don't because I
obviously I know my mom's stuff, my limb stuff, I
know all of our stuffs very well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
But my mom went to it. I can tell you
that I know that for one hundred percent. And I
didn't do anything without Wind. Everything I did was with Lynn.
I didn't ever be like, oh, I'm going to take
up a lunch today on Lindsay and then they've done
that years ago. Well you see why I hear That's
why when you made her question.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
I went, Okay, I know where we're going because I
know my past. I understand that part that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
I can tell you. I get. I'm on paper for
a reason. I can understand that one hundred I could
see you send me hear that all day and I'm
just talking about murder.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
That's a completely But as far as the paper, homicide,
that's a technical term.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
You say homicide. I watched every day homicide. People will
go to get arrested and do life. I don't desert
life for something I didn't do. I can tell you
that homicide doesn't. It doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Everyone has a picture of someone sweeting someone. It doesn't
mean that. It means, it means the best is unnatural.
It's if it's not suicide, it has to get homicide.
But it doesn't mean it's just a suicide. Is still
considered homicide technically, and that's not what you're charged with.
So I mean, we throw that term out there, but

(01:27:36):
it's it's real technical legal turnhole attorneys there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
I mean, it's a lot of information that I didn't
your fuel of set with you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
When she found out you were handled over the personal
representative and handling.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
The estate, she wasn't crazy about it. But I told
her every I mean I was honest with everything from
the get going, never lied about any of it. I
told her because I wanted to please contact I told her.

Speaker 4 (01:28:04):
And that's all of a sudden when I thought of
right away, that's fine. I thought about it right away.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Today was coming here. I went to my country. I
didn't tell her.

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
I was pleased contact and I mean I had contact,
but I didn't even physically talk to you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
But I tell her everything. I did you tell her
when one died and that she were taking care of
the estate. She asked the way.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
Shortly after when I found out that I was in
charge of it, because she said, had you asked me first,
I would have told you not to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
And so well, I didn't choose to do it. I
didn't even know what was me physically. Last we knew
it was my mother and Anthony. That was the last
time that we knew. I didn't know she changed it
to me. I did not know that. So when we
actually called, we always had the information who to call.

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):
When we actually called her, my mom called and she
said I need to talk to your daughter. And I
was like, what are you talking about? I'm in charge
of everything. She said, no, you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
So we didn't know and tell that actual phone call
because I didn't know what's changed an who'd you call?
What's is there an attorney or Lisa? Yeah, I gave
you your information of submarine. Soon when you were.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
Placed on the accounts I think a demo. But did
you go there physically with letting together to put.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
To sign the charge? We may not placed on the accounts.
Weren't you a signer on the demo Harris accounts I
had access to. I don't think I was a signer.
I think I just had access to the lock box
and something else.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
But I was with her, I'm sure, but I don't
remember what exactly. I don'ts for the lock box and something,
but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
I don't think it was. I don't know for sure,
but I went with her. Yes, okay because their female
hero says, makes you sign both because my mom went
with her prior to both people have to be present.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Was that a lot of the time you can win
change in the personal represent I mean you sure talking
about it obviously now we're saying it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
No, No, I don't know. I honestly don't know when
she changed it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
I know she changed the female Harris and then she
changed her medical and she changed her medical just strictly
because my mom couldn't be with her all the time
and I was.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
There more so she switched that because she was worried.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
But she would go to the hospital and things so
that that my mom wouldn't be physically able.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
To help her be there or anything. But I don't
know that was done both of those. I think the
bank was done maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
A year year and a half before she'd maybe because
I mean I'm guessing here, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
And the health was done I would guess in the
last year to maybe ten months. I don't even know
for sure, but they those were done. I know of
those because I was present for both of those. As
far as the will, I wasn't present, I don't. I
didn't know oka was because Anthony thought the same thing too,

(01:31:04):
that him.

Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
And I don't know if he knew my mom, but
I think he thought I I am zoning on everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Thing I told you today that I just I can't
even think straight at this point. Why does Anthony get
the money and not Kareem Because just like me versus
my mom, Lynn had it sure.

Speaker 7 (01:31:20):
There every day.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
I can't understand why she wants to take care of you.
Lynn had it set up that first.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
I think first I was supposed to be Korean my mom,
and then she said, well, if you guys outlived me
or something of that nature. And Anthony was kind of like,
I don't want to say god son. I mean, he
was like me, but he really didn't do anything. He
just was somebody that she cared about.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
I don't really know how to put it because I
didn't know him before.

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
She always talked to him and you know, talked to
his birthdays and stuff like that, but she said, I'm
right into to me, but we never did, so I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
I don't have the answers to that. Yeah, a lot
of people that I've heard that, but I don't. I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
I just look at Koream with her, a good friend
like my mom was.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
And you know, you understand because you're in the soup,
you know, boots on the groundary there, you know what
I mean, they're there, doesn't care of her.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
That's the person you wanted to take care of her
when you pass, you know. Yeah, I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
Do you think if it's somehow possible, do you think
when would have taken all this because she could just
overdose on her prescriptions without taking this other drug. And
that's what it's odd about it too. That's what I
thought she did.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
That's what we kind of thought happened it first, and
so the he calls and says, we got a problem.
So do I think, what do you think? Why do
you think she would? I don't. I don't see it.
That's what it doesn't make sense to me. I assume
this whole time it was pills. That's what I assumed.
That's what she was known for.

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
So I don't know, or the pill is not agreeing
with her where she wasn't keeping him down, We're I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
I don't know what to think of that. I really don't.
That's kind of where I'm at right now with you
tell you this. I don't at this point in my
head is spinning trying to figure out any of this
right now because I just I'm trying to think why, what?
Where all of it? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
I always said when past you several times, said several
times I'm done well then kind of reference to the
help and her kill herself, cher consider doing it?

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
No, never, No, she's in such pain, so I'll sick
for me.

Speaker 4 (01:33:32):
It wasn't an option because I don't think like that.
I you know, I think the states that have what
is that that like assistant where the doctor helps you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
I think that's you.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
Know, great, and I think every stage have that. But
I don't feel that I'm a doctor and I.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Can make those calls. I don't. That's my hoss belief
on that. I don't feel that that's something that I
feel that that's a lot to ask with. Somebody told
you to call the doctor to do it? Would you
have done that for her? It's a call the doctor.
Let's say, let's say let's say we living.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
In California where we can do this, Well, just make
a phone call, just call the doctor because I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Yeah, I would have. I mean that, again, that's her decision.
But it's flood different than picking up a phone call
and trying to do something to somebody or two different
things in Miamid while you're out of the office. We're here.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
I kind of explained her that I don't think she's
a cold boded killer, that I think she has a
good heart.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
And my thought was that that she helped when.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
Finish her life.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
That's what happened. And I'll sol you and I disagree
on the whole point.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
That's why was the cars because we have two different
kinds of I get it visions here, you know, for
some reason this comes down, and I mean, I want
to give the opportunity to say I didn't. I didn't
kill her for money.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
I didn't kill her.

Speaker 4 (01:35:00):
I said that New York Times somebody, because I feel
like a pretty bad That's the key things.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
I know that my past and what you guys came out.
I already know what the thinking of there. I get it.
I think, I let's take your pass to side.

Speaker 6 (01:35:16):
What I see is I see somebody who has I
think for a caretaker to get two hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
I almost I just turn me out.

Speaker 6 (01:35:27):
I think outside here looking at and I think, asked
the average person someone got two hundred thousand dollars oorth
a span of two years. And now that money he's dewindling.
And suddenly you're as signed executor of the will of
the estate. And then suddenly, now is this suspicious death

(01:35:48):
where she was made somebody staged her death, and it
turns out that she was poisoned for all times purposes.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
She was poisoned because there's no way she's.

Speaker 6 (01:36:00):
Making it from one end of the house to the
other with a level of zine in her system, especially
given her mobility.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
She's not making so.

Speaker 6 (01:36:09):
You're the only You're the one having the most contact,
You're the one taking care of her on that daily basis.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
You're telling now you go into and as she gave me.

Speaker 6 (01:36:17):
Twenty thousands, the inconsistencies that we struggle with, that I struggle.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
With, it's that twenty thousand. So I was only there
for an hour or two. I know you were there
for four.

Speaker 6 (01:36:25):
Hours, and your phone records don't put you on Highway hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
They go back to your house and then to another place.
And I have here again. Right before you call nine
on one, you're on the phone with your mom. I mean,
I'm on the phone all the time out I.

Speaker 6 (01:36:42):
Find the point at four minutes four to five minutes
before you call Nila one and you're on the phone
with your mom.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
But then again, you got account for walking in finding land,
calling island. I can't tell you one way. You guys
can check because you're a right look at of records.

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
Check her card that day for her food card stores
I was at and when I only used that one,
I get.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
What you're saying. I get that, But as far as
the money, I didn't know. He meant like over the span.
That's why I I thought she was sick. I'm sorry
she wasn't. She wasn't sick like that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
For two years, I misunderstood that. I see what you're saying,
and I get it. I mean, obviously me and you
were going to disagree.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Because you're looking at me and you feel that I
did this. I understand that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:28):
I get what you're saying, but I didn't. And you
don't know Lynn. You don't know the situation. And I'm
telling you from somebody who dies I hit. You're a
copy of Investigate. I understand that. But I didn't kill her,
and money wasn't in motive age. She had no life insurance,
which I've known that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
For ten years.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
You know, I shouldn't have life insurance because her parents
always had it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
Her mom was two months in not paying. I never
got it. That was her mother.

Speaker 4 (01:37:54):
So Lynn never had life insurance that was which I know.
So what money am I going to get off that?

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
None? I knew of all her death? So what money
we was I going to get with? Before? You didn't know?

Speaker 8 (01:38:06):
He said it?

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Well, I mean I knew. I guess what you're saying.
I know I knew it quite a bit of that,
But I didn't know how bad. Let's spend it that way. Okay,
who knows? But I don't know what she Who knows what? People?
I mean, you don't you You can be with somebody
every day and you don't know everything about him. Very
you know, so I personally do not know one hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:38:29):
Percent of this is what she spent your mayan, or
this is how much debt she was in, or this
is how much money she had.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Let me just ask you this question.

Speaker 6 (01:38:37):
You pull the average person off the streets, who has
no law enforcement experience, no experience, and a very unbiased person,
and you tell them that this lady who has no
family and very few close friends, suddenly becomes close to
you and two hundred thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
Dollars is the issue over the past couple of years.

Speaker 6 (01:38:56):
Suddenly I don't live four years as suddenly suddenly you're
taking care of.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
And then you tell them that you're this person has the.

Speaker 6 (01:39:09):
Most access and pretty much as you said earlier, you're
the only one dealing with her.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Those last few weeks of her life.

Speaker 6 (01:39:18):
You go to the fact that the scene was clearly
stated because she has no pills in her system. You
know she has the two hundred stomach, but as far
as her bloodstream and where the metabolism ends right there
when you die, there's nothing in her system that would
suggest she was overdoes So what would the average person think?

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
You tell me I don't know, and that you were
the last one, and that I mean, when where you
tring need that I'm saying staged. I would think, Okay, well,
I know I didn't do it, so did she do it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
I'm not saying I'm trying to look at this from
the other angle, because.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
I know what I did and didn't do, so I'm
trying to figure it out as you guys are.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
And it's frustrating to me because I assume this whole
time she was taking her pills and that's what happened.
That's what I.

Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
Believed, and wondering the same thing when you're saying whatever,
they mixed it or they put it in and she
hadn't had it hours before. I thoroughly want to know
more about this myself because I'd never heard this, So
I want to know how long you'd have to take this,
or when does it show?

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Or I want to know the same things because I
don't buy it. I don't buy it that I got
to help her take that she couldn't take it herself.
I don't. I don't understand that. And I don't understand
that I was taken right before. I don't. I don't.
I don't understand that because I don't know anything about it.
I really don't. I understand things happen with pills. I'm

(01:40:41):
not saying that's what she died of. Obviously she did diet,
but even that I know it takes a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
I watched my mom trying to come suicide twice and
it's god't work. I've watched Lynn do it once before.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
With pills or at least get so sick where she
pewed them all over. I've seen a lot. I know
a lot in absence. I don't know much about with
a great because we don't.

Speaker 6 (01:41:02):
We didn't know either both the most we all thought
the same thing. You saw your wedding Grant the movie.
When when you see this, so when we find.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
Out and there's a cure, something can actually die that.

Speaker 6 (01:41:12):
Way, that exactly, it's really odd. So when you start
putting like, why would she do that, let's sing was
able to figure this out, hypothetic.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
She was able to figure it out. Why would she
have to stage the pills. Why would she do that
to herself.

Speaker 6 (01:41:28):
I'm going to kill myself, Chris by using viazine, but
then to make it look good, I'm going to like
put a bunch of pills here. They asked where if
you ask the verage person, that's gonna because I guess
that doesn't seem right. And you're the only one with
the access, You're the only one there. You're the last
one hour or two actually you're leaving around. I mean,
it could have been there longer, but our phone has

(01:41:49):
you there on twelve thirty, and then four hours later
you're bat there finding there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
I don't know, you both time to help us expire.
I get it. I get what you're saying. I don't
know how much parts I mean. I'm just trying to
pinpoint everywhere I was that date, what I did. I
don't remember being there that long, but I did it
phone workers. I'm not going to deny. I don't say
show it. And I only remember what I did that date,
when I was there that day. You know that's the
I can give you bits, some pieces or time frames.

(01:42:17):
I didn't feel I was there that long that morning.
Maybe I was I really don't remember it, to be honest,
and I didn't think I wasn't even that date. But
I will agree I watched I told him to do.
In years, I watch IPD and all. I watch all
of them, so I know about the phone works, I
know how things work. I'm not stupid. So when you say,
I'll take your word for it in that sense, YAHD

(01:42:39):
so only that we don't find anything in your searches. No,
you're not search away. I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
I don't have anything to hide in that sense. You
can look at my financials and think I'm a jokeish
I did whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
But like I told him, I.

Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
Said, when it comes to money, that is not I
would never kill somebody for money. I mean, and I
don't see what that Why you guys would think that
with her because she.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
Didn't have Why because him and I disagree with were
one that you probably gave her surprising.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
That's what we agree on, just motively. If you ever
met Win's cousin, John Wynn's cousin, John John Fryan, you
never met him.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
The reason this whole thing started upstairs with medicals emitter
is John Fryant is a former US attorney retired and
he thinks When's death was suspicious, so he went up
he had medicals Emer's office and just asked the question, Hey,
I'm a prosecutor for thirty seven years.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
When was Jim curiosity Noam piled her on too.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
But when John went there first, and he said, a
prosecuted for thirty seven years and whn was good friends
with his mother?

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
I think his mother wasn't a home was it was
that Lynn's Anthon? It could be because she always talked
about her. And so he goes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
The family tends to think and again, I don't know
that well, but this doesn't pass the smell test for me.
Everything her autopsy correct. And that's what makes doctor Linda
look at her file again because she was just she
was in the stack of routine, routine problems. I'll get
to this when I get to this. I have a
real criminal basis.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
I understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
And that's when she looks at it and she don't
know who he isn't She actually apologizes, saying, Chris, I.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
Missed this because she has all these medicines in her
and then I overlooked this one and I didn't know
what this one was. And then she did her research,
and that's when she found out that we have a problem.
So again, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
Your cold blooded killer. I think you're a likeable, decent
personal with a big heart. I think Lynn was dying,
she was sick, and you helped her. And if I
had to go in front of Judge, that's what I
would say. I don't want to put him in front
of her, going, hey, look at all the money that
would play to you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Maybe let me ask you how much money today? Thought it?
Last year? We did it? Jack the jackpot? What do
you think it is the most of your sprent title
one night? I don't know, Okay, I don't know. I

(01:45:19):
don't know. We get a jackpot. That's why you think.
That's why I'm asking, because of it's a stand of
over time. I mean, it's.

Speaker 6 (01:45:33):
I don't know if Jesse, I'm just trying to wonder
where two hundred thousand dollars? When do you have two
hundred thousand sitting in your paintings? Old person, there's no
coach fox stuff. You're not a junkie. You're not putting
it in your arm.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
No, my arms are completely clean.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
You're not a vic jewelry girl. No, you don't have
fancy car. No, you're definitely living a meager house that's
rented with your boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Back in the day, I mean, I used to have
a bunch of stupid loans and dumb stuff. I don't anymore.
We paid off debt. That was really all it was,
back to my day. I don't believe me.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
I'm not thinking too with this, and I want to
give you all the opportunity to come out with a
plausible explanation, and I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
I don't think you're killed there. I get what you're saying.
I get. I mean, I know we're going back and forth,
back and forth. I didn't help her.

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
I guess the best thing I can say is keep
investigating and look, because it wasn't me.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
What do we keep investigating?

Speaker 6 (01:46:45):
You're the only ones because you're the one taking care
of me, You're the one that has access, You're the
one that was there, the one bonding of you're the
one blinding of Hiz, So you can tell me where
do we look? Tell me where to look at because
I'm the one that's kind of kind of this opinion
hurts another opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:47:03):
I guess I would start looking into the other people
in her life then because it wasn't me.

Speaker 6 (01:47:07):
Oh, you were there until twelve thirty. She wasn't presily
dead when you showed up at four fifty nine. So
in that four hours face there is no place for her.
Amazing what you're telling us that she did the sore.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
So I think she did, but you made tom an
Me think it was me. So I don't know what
to think with that. I didn't help her, And if
there's some way that helped her, then you got to
look somewhere besides me, because it wasn't me. I did
not do this to her. Would you take a polygraph? Yeah,

(01:47:40):
you take a polygraph.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
I will take a polograph. I know they're not used
in court, and I know you know how the people
feel about them, but yes they would.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
What do you feel about them? I don't know what
to think about.

Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
Anything to do with justice in the criminal system.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
I'll be very honest. What does that mean. I don't
have a good, strong opinion in either way. And the
reason you're in the system is you did what you do.

Speaker 3 (01:48:03):
I don't, and I agree with your responsibility if they
act that up.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
One hundred percent and respect them, I do. I feel
that what I got is what I deserved for a
first time offense.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
And being in trouble. No, I'm not saying I hate
all cops or I love all cops. I have friends
other cops.

Speaker 4 (01:48:19):
I just I am.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
I'm impartial.

Speaker 4 (01:48:22):
I don't like to say one way or the other
because I agree with something angry with something that's fair,
and I don't. I know there's a reason our lie
detectors aren't allowed on courts because sometimes they work, sometimes
they don't.

Speaker 6 (01:48:38):
Do you know that they're allowed in some district cod
in some courts, it's just not in Wisconsin aslid. Wisconsin's
progressive and some aspect a sure they're they're fairly accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Oh No, I'm not saying they're not, and I don't
know if they are or are. I'm saying I know
there's a reason we don't allow them. That's all I'm saying.
I'm not saying I wouldn't take it. Whatever I need
to do, so you guys can see that I wasn't mean.
That's where I'm at.

Speaker 4 (01:49:06):
I don't want because I asked you a question before,
and I still don't agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
I feel like right now I'm being charged with murder.
You're not I feel like I am. I mean I
would tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
I would tell you you were here upomation holes and
I was really honest with you when you're on patient holes.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
It's because there's the financial stuff. The PEA was unhappy
about all the money you've received over the last two years.
Soon that's the hundred per centures.

Speaker 4 (01:49:35):
So if you guys are done investigating, then when I'm
moving forward, we're.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Not done investing.

Speaker 4 (01:49:40):
Done invest What would you just may sound like you
were done investing. You just said, look more deserve to investigate.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
No, I said, tell me who else? Do? I mean? Yeah,
but if you have a fausele, I'll take it. I
wish I could, because how many points that you That's
where we're at. I wish I did. That's why that
was the first thing I said to you was she
was in the hospital. Reason. I wanted to know why
the hospital didn't do this and the mad blogs ever
did you told me that they feel it was done
the day up. I don't agree with those theories. Originally

(01:50:08):
I thought it was a get they have a license,
and I don't I really I would think this was
something done over time, or I would think that that's
stay in the hospital if something would have came up.
I don't see how I can't utter. Originally, originally I
thought that you did this.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
Somebody and every thing for nefarious reasons because I thought
it was over time, and I thought over a thirty
or sixty eight period, you would given her a little
bit in her putting in her jewel or coffee every day.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
And that's how I built up in her system to
such a degree. And the doctor says, that's not what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
So that's through my theory out of the way, which
get puts you in a better light in my eyes, going, well,
you have a sick lady that's asking you for help
and you assisted. That's kind of where I spun this
in my brain because I we talked to people about you,
I mean, and you don't fit the profile as someone

(01:51:07):
that's that's going to cut someone's throat.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
That's not you. You're helping a lady and her to
her her worst times. That takes a special person.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
And I say helping a lady, not your mom or
your father or your brother, but helping a stranger for
a better term, And I say a stranger, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
But it's not blood.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
It's but you're taking care of her her worst time,
and that says something about a person. So I was
hoping it was over a little bit. Every day that's
building up in her system, and eventually we've got more
and more compliance and lethargic and her system shuts out.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
But that's out happened, which been more to his theory
than so I have to be myself for a second.
I don't go on my tummy. Okay, sorry, I'm like,
I'm really hope to talk to or some details that

(01:52:06):
we missed.

Speaker 1 (01:52:06):
Please shut down, otherwise you become see in a day
or two, Am I going to be here for a while, Well,
you're gonna be at least today and tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
I'm just today.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
I have to feel about it. You know how they
worked it out from one an hour?

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
Now, any chance i can talk to her, I phone
for a moment.

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):
I'm just really worried about my job. I understand what
you're saying. I never ran, I've always came in when she.

Speaker 1 (01:52:28):
Told me to.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
I just I'm gonna lose my job.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
I'm bound by certain palaces. So what I'll do is
I will call her and let her know what you
really want to talk to her? And then if she says,
if she will talk to you, I'll make arrangements for
the jail. This gets your a free phone. Call the
caller and I'll call the family, will call her. This
is my house right now, it's that Malafi calendar.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
I'm this is like I'm supposed to go up north
into days. I have the kids coming. I mean, there's
a lot going on right now that I'm going to
lose my job.

Speaker 4 (01:52:58):
I'm gonna and I get she's mad, but she's never
done this to me. I don't understand, you know, and
I don't know. I'll sit here with two weeks and
I'll lose everything.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
Well, she's mad about the money, and she's concerned about
what we're talking about too.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
And you can understand that, right, I mean, when well
lay out with the facts, I completely understand.

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
I mean, this case is chargeable at this point. I
tend to try to give. I mean we're going to
look at your phones and your computers and that kind
of stuff. I mean, this case is chargeable at this point.
We're not being charged at this time.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
That guys are you guys like having her sit me
on this hold until you decide if you're going to
charge me. No, So at this point you guys are
telling her I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
Not being charged with anything or I mean, because it's
going to determine obviously what you guys stay on top
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
Yeah, we're not charging you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
We're not charging any any financial crow, I'm not charging
with any death stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
We're not charging you with anything. And she understands that,
or she will right now. Yeah, she's been on vacation,
she's back today. I wouldn't do that. Yeah, I made
sure recordated this that she I mean, I would have
came in O been willingly. I think this is just
what I think she wants to to send the messagees

(01:54:23):
I get it. I can't. I've never not done anything
she asked me ven. She said that that's why restion
on time and everything. I mean, we have two little kids.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
At our house normally, and if they would have been
there today and my boyfriend would told me to.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
Get the fuck out and never come back, that's how
bad like this would have scared the ship out of
the kids. Okay, this isn't a forgery. We're investigating. It's
a big deal. I never know.

Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
Again, you think you know someone by looking for you,
and I talked one time the person you think you
know someone that I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
I didn't know your guy at all. I never talked
to him.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
We come there and there's a confrontation and something bad happens,
and after explain why we didn't go there with the
way we're supposed to.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
Do, No, I didn't. I just apologize. I could have
came in though, That's what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:55:12):
This was just.

Speaker 4 (01:55:14):
I feel like it's worse because you know, I could
have just came in and I feel like I had
I told you if any or Tuesday nights, so it
never happened.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Does what makes me feel even worse to go You
would have came in, and then we would have put
the whole would have been on you. We're going to
the jail. You just want to add the Marshall's congression.
Do you do you realistically know how long she's going
to keep me holding. I have no idea I'll talk
to her today. I just I swear out of this job.
They're gonna just drop me in right now. Obviously I
need I need it. I mean that's I'm too new

(01:55:48):
right now. And we literally it was me and one
person today one person, So they're going to freak O.
That's Lord of ship starts here. She's moving and started
altars that fuel. Call lets you know that we're done
talk here, toure. I mean, is there any way like
you can call her way?

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
I'm still here, so I know like that you talked
to her and once she said or.

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
Please, I'm sorry. Now you've listened. Now go to your thing.

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