In this episode of Truth 4 Change, host Juette Renalds is joined by three Liberty University students who are courageously shining a light on hidden injustices in the criminal justice system. Jolie, a triplet from California, shares her eye-opening research into illicit finance and the subtle yet far-reaching consequences it has on society. Jenna, adopted from Guangzhou, China, investigates the scope of human and drug trafficking, showing how these global issues also haunt our local neighborhoods. Abby, originally from Belarus, recounts her disbelief at uncovering the extent of trafficking in Lynchburg, Virginia — a place she thought was safe and insulated. Through thoughtful dialogue and raw insights, Juette and her guests explore the value of intergenerational teamwork, the courage to stay open-minded, and the urgent need to confront crimes that often remain unseen. This is more than a podcast episode — it's a call to awareness, empathy, and action.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Not very long ago, back in twenty twenty three, we
did an Intel project of at Liberty University. It was
very unique. We didn't give him a whole lot of direction.
It was me and a guy that worked with the agency,
and uh, we we got a bunch of students in
there and gave them some topics. And here are three
(00:28):
of the all stars from that, and uh, they're going
to talk a little bit about what they learned, but
also educate I obviously come from a generation much different
than theirs, and they're going to kind of educate us
on what they dealt with in some of the in
some of the things they got into. Full disclosure, this
is all open source information. These these ladies went out
(00:48):
there and Doug and well, they got into some stuff
that kind of scared me. I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna lie. But other than snakes, that's all I really
really scared of. But anyway, I'm gonna introduced each one
of them and then let them kind of talk about
their lives and what they did, how they got to Liberty,
and how this whole Intel experience worked for him. We
(01:09):
got Joe Lee, She's going to talk about talk a
little bit about being a triplet. We got Jenna and
funny thing when we were getting ready for this, I
kept talking about being around the table and they were all,
I think they thought I was crazy, But we actually
are around the table, so it's easier and I get
to actually see And then we have Abby on the
other side, and like I said, she's going to talk
(01:31):
a little bit about what got her to Liberty and
then you know how it all worked from an intel standpoint.
Joe Lee was kind of I left her out when
we did the first run through of this, and so anyway,
I'm gonna let her start. So just tell us a
little bit about yourself, Jolee, and how you got to
Liberty and just what it was like growing up a triplet.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Oh yeah, So I'm originally from California and I came
out here for Liberty. I was looking for program with
like criminal justice, and Liberty just kind of checked off
all the boxes and of course toured the campus and
it was beautiful, and I yeah, I grew up as
a triplet.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
That was kind of It was fun.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Always had a building best friend and so always you know,
have the same friends with the classes together, share the
same birthdays, clothes, everything, and then you have younger sister
on top of that too.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So who was the best student of the three of you,
since they're not here to defend themselves.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I'd say probably my sister.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I okay, yeah, yeah, well I definitely know if there's
someone smorro than you and that triplet, it's a scary day.
They're going to take over the world. So all right, Jenna,
tell us a little about yourself.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, so I'm originally adopted from China and I grew
up here. Originally grew up in Fredericksburg, Virginia, and then
when I was looking for colleges, actually Liberty was last
on my list, so I was very determined to go
out of state. But then I really felt the Lord
(03:07):
leave me to Liberty, and I really liked that it
was a Christian university and that was kind of my
basis for criminal justice was my faith. So toward the
campus and I was like, really like this way you
want me? And when I got to Liberty, I really
(03:29):
enjoyed it, really enjoyed the professors and just all the
opportunities that I had there.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So yeah, so Frederick Berg to Lynchburg regime. So that
first hot from Chatta was a little bit bigger than
the one from Fredericksburg to Lynchburg.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I would say, yeah, just a little bit, but I
was I had just turned one, so I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You don't have any recollection A little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
I have a little bit of a recollection. The only
thing that I can remember from coming over was falling
asleep on my dad's shoulder on a bus and I
think we were going to the airport.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So where in China? Where are you from?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
So I was adopted from Guanzho, China. I guess kind
of like the southernmost part of China.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Well that's a really cool I don't know. I think
that's a really cool story. And I don't think she's going, well,
I shouldn't say you're not going to opera? But where
are you from?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
From Belarus?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Okay? So for for those of us that don't know
where that's at.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
So it's like in between Russian Poland and right below Lithuania.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Okay, tell us how you got the Liberty So.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Well, I'm originally from there, but then I grew up
in Pennsylvania, and then I have family that lived in Richmond,
and then my cousin went to Liberty I toured it
and loved it, and.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Then I came here.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
So my my question about Liberty is is it just
the entertainment or what is it about Liberty that like
draws people like you to the school? And I don't know.
I've always been really impressed with students that come from
Liberty and just the way y'all did the project. So
why would you all recommend lu?
Speaker 6 (05:17):
I would have to say, like, from my standpoint, like
Liberty has like the nicest people in the whole world, like,
and you just feel welcomed by everyone, and especially having
a faith based education, you look at the world from
a different perspective rather than like the normal person, and
it just gives you a better outlook on life in general.
(05:38):
And it's really giving you core values so you can
take that in any career that you decide to go into.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So it's just the core of the Christian core, Liberty
and just the culture up there. And I guess y'all
all have experienced different places. Y'all all go to public
schools or no.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
I went to private school, Okay, Christian private school?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, same.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I started in a Christian school and then I made
my parents take me out and then I was in public.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
School, Okay, So I mean I think that's always interesting
people talk about the difference between a public education in
private education. But I don't know, what do you think
as far as your experience at Liberty going from a
public school. I guess the two of y'all that went
to private school, how did that relate back to going
to Liberty? Is that just like a continuation or what
(06:27):
would you say it is?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
At first, after going through a private Christian school, I
didn't want to go to a Christian private university at all.
I wanted to get out, get away from that. And
then I really liked the fact that it was a
faith based like university. I mean, it's really I love it.
With the classes, the professors, they'll teach you how to
(06:51):
have your faith, especially in law enforcement or like in
your future career. So that is really cool and really unique.
The professor they really care, they really they're they're strong Christians.
They they they really care about their students. And so
just seeing that is has been incredible and I've I've
loved that all the professors they really care, they want
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you to succeed, and they actually get bothered when you
know students aren't coming to them and asking them questions.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
So yeah, okay, what about the two of y'all.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I would say, I'm kind of in the same boat
with Julie. Once I graduated from my high school, I
was like, I'm ready to, you know, go out into
the world, and I wanted to.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
I actually wanted to leave Virginia like all together. I
told my parents.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I was like, the only way I'm staying in Virginia
is if I like am able to get into jam
U or Virginia TEK. Right. But then when I toured Liberty,
I think the same as Julie said, just the faith
and how the professors really into you and really care,
and just like all the opportunities that Liberty students get.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
I mean, we have a lot of doors.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Open for us because the professors have so many connections,
especially in the criminal justice program.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Like I've done things that I never thought I would
do as a college student.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So yeah, that's that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Like I've been able to go to like several embassies
in DC, like China and Finland, and uh, that's that's
pretty cool. And going on like an aircraft carrier, like
that's that's pretty cool. And yeah, just the connections and
the that the professors have, and they like they they
start things too. So like this this intel group was
(08:44):
sorry for one of the professors because she she wanted
us to succeed and to get that gate that experience.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, what about you have?
Speaker 6 (08:51):
I mean they kind of said the majority of it.
But coming from a public school standpoint, it was like
kind of like a culture shock almost because there are
so many diverse people at Liberty and you don't know
what you're going to walk into. Because like my roommate
freshman year, she only went to a all black schools,
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so having a white roommate was a really big shock
for her. But you just get to experience everyone else's
life story and it's so diverse that again, it helps
your perspective on multiple different types of people.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I think that's one of the coolest things about I
don't know, the older you get aren't there yet, But
the older you get, the more you realize how much
in common you have as a human being to other people.
And if you could just focus your attention on that
instead of like all the I just hear all the
noise people make about like well, we're different, we're different,
we're different. But I think the core of most humans
(09:47):
inside of the United States of America they love this country.
And I think it's really cool we have two people
that from a different country and they're already serving. I mean,
how old are y'all now?
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Two?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I mean all three of y'all have well two of
you coming from another country, California. It's just about another country.
But in all seriousness, note it's too bad they're not closer.
I won't go into you already know, right, but you're
probably from a good conservative area in California, right, No,
(10:23):
all right, fair enough, all right, so tell me about
We'll go round the table and just talk about your
experience getting into the Intel project. And just I'll give
you this preference. It's Professor trent Is, the professor at
Liberty University that I got in touch with, and like
I said, she was very very open to the thought
(10:44):
of doing an Intel project. And just tell us how
y'all got into the project.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
We'll start with you. You're starting, all right.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
So fun fact, I wasn't like invited onto the project
or I wasn't on the list of people. I just
kind of stumbled on it because after class I would
normally hang out with doctor Trent, and so after one
of our classes, she would go to these meetings. So
I just come hang out at the meetings, and at
(11:16):
some point Trent was like, well, do you want to
join this project? And I was like, sure, I'll join it. It
sounds like a neat opportunity and really interesting.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
So I just kind of stumbled upon it.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
To be honest, Well.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
It's sometimes it is sometimes the right place, right time, right,
And I'm glad you got into it. What about you?
Speaker 6 (11:37):
So I was kind of just hanging out in doctor
Trent's office, like with Jenna, because like we had a
little little group and we would just hang out and
we were like a posse.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Oh yeah, we were her posse for sure.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
But I wasn't invited onto the project either initially, just
because with my prior busy schedule with RTC the military
and classes and everything that she didn't initially send me
the email. But then she gave me the opportunity and
I was like sure, I mean this sounds like a
great opportunity and I definitely want to take this opportunity
(12:13):
to heart and really just excel.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Okay, yeah, I had an email invite and I didn't
really read the email and so on, Like the day
of the meeting, I was like, oh, I kind of
remember that there's a meeting at this classroom at this time,
and I wasn't going to go to it.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
And then I was like, eah, you know, I'll just
check it out.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And then yeah, that's how. That's how.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So you just kind of fell into it. Huh yeah, yea,
all right, So can y'all kind of go into like
the methodology? So basically we just gave you some topics
and some things that we wanted studied, and how did
y'all go about collecting information? Just kind of just a
brief synopsis on like, hey, if I give you, for example,
(13:00):
sent a looa cartel, how did you get the information
about the cartel? And how did all that work?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, So most of the project for us was open
source information. So we would look at like news articles
that were on Google. For me personally, I would like
read an article and then find a person's name, and
then I would type that person's name in and then
(13:26):
like go down all these different rabbit holes and then
we got like all this information. So we dived deeper
to see if we could confirm some of.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
That information, so you go into open source and then
just start validating the information with other sources. Yeah, well
that's pretty cool, all right.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
That's the same thing that like we all pretty much did. Yeah,
but then we like ended up going deeper and getting
onto the dark web.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Oh, I can't wait for you to tell me about that. So,
so you had human and drug trafficking. We'll stood out
to you about that the most.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Probably like that it's happening in Lynchburg, and like you
wouldn't think that something like that happened so close to home.
And then you just find all these different places that
are actually traffic trafficking girls through and you're just like,
this is happening, and why hasn't anyone put a stop
to it?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So, I know we talked, we've talked about this before,
and I don't think we talked about it the last
time we talked. But so y'all would y'all actually found
a place here locally on the dark from the dark Web,
and people were actually commenting on different females and it
showed a pattern of these females going from shop to
shop to shop. Is that correct?
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Yeah? It was like different shark the massage parlors, right, Like,
that's what.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Actually, I don't think that was on the dark Web.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
It was just on Google.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Yeah, that one was on Google. But then there was
another chat room on the dark Web that said, oh,
go to like this place and ask for like this
certain girl because she does it best or whatever, and
it was like what. But then also we were able
to find throughout those chat rooms, like different pedophile chat rooms.
(15:14):
I would talk about like the craziest stuff within, like
Virginia because the chat room was like Virginia pedophiles or whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I just I don't know, I've done this for a while,
but the depth that y'all were able to get to
in such a very short time. I want to talk
more about it later about just the value of your
generation as far as being able to do your research.
And if we just get out of our own way
and tap into these minds that know how to get
(15:43):
to the information and not ignore it, man, we could
do a lot. Jolie, listit finance, tell us how much
you hated me for you getting the listed finance, and
then how cool it was.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Oh yeah, that was the out of all the other topics.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
That was when I wanted the least when we got
that topic, we had to kind of teach ourselves, likelictit finance,
because I didn't realize how big it is. I mean,
every criminal organization does it, and it happens everywhere. I
mean even I mean it happens in other countries internationally,
and then even in Nelson County, Virginia. Right, So it's
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and it ranges from like money laundering, money mules. Yeah,
just uses cryptocurrency, uses cash, use his gold and so
that was really fascinating to kind of learn about all
that and how how big it is, but then how
small it can also be at the same time.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
You so you got the big picture all the way
down to the small picture into the community that you
live in.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, all right. So I don't know if you are
up for this or not, but we're gonna try it.
Just tell us, tell us a little bit. I'm going
to give you a little bit of time, but just
tell us a little bit of out the topics that
y'all went over and just kind of like how it
changed your view of what you see, like when you
read the national news and things like that, based on
(17:10):
your research that you've done, how does that change the
way you look at things. How does it adjust the
lens that you perceive things in each one of you?
And whoever wants to start, go ahead. I know I
threw all curve ball, but I just I would just
like to know. I know I'm very jaded, just from
my experiences in law enforcement. What I would like is,
you know, the deep dive that you did, was there
(17:32):
anything that you see that that had an impact and
that you looked at and are like, this is going
to change the way I look at life going forward.
Whoever wants to go first, I mean.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
I guess I'll go first, all right.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
So with human and drug trafficking, like I didn't realize
how big it was, and I didn't know like how
it impact like so close to home because you don't
realize that like these things are happening because it's not
projected enough in the news.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
But then whenever you.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Go deeper, it's like, oh well, human and drug trafficking
do go hand to hand. Like where there's drugs, there's
nine times out of ten probably people being trafficked within
there too. And then from there, like if you're looking
at some area has an extreme amount of overdoses, then
you can probably relate it to them drug trafficking something
(18:26):
in and that's like a hotspot for it. So you
just need to find out where it's coming from. And
then if you find that, then you can find probably
more human trafficking cases along with it. And especially like
what we found in Lynchberg, it was like wow, like
all of this is happening, and like the gangs are
getting involved too, and it's just everywhere, and you don't
realize like how much it affects a community, like even
(18:48):
though yeah, we're in like a liberty bubble, but I mean,
you don't hear about it at liberty, so you're just
like completely unaware of what's happening around you. And it
definitely like makes me think twice of where I'm going
or like who's with me. I'm definitely way more observant
about my surroundings due to this project.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I think one of the things that I think about
is I think people people look at it. They'll go
by a massage parlor and they're like, oh, you know,
it's kind of like a laughing thing. You know, that's
kind of funny.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
You know, personally I'd never go to one.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Right, But I'm just saying people laugh about it and
they make jokes about it, but you literally found where
these women were being traffic from place to place to place.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
And.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
We look at it. I don't know, like from my standpoint,
when you look at that, it just it does hit home.
It does hit home that like there are people out
here that are subservient to other people. And that's a
great transition to your Cineloa cartel. Because you were talking
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
So for the Cinelo cartel, my group, we basically did
a big overview of kind of who runs the cartel
and just like the structure, so like the leadership structure,
and then how they do their operations, so how they
get the chemicals to make their product, and then how
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they get their product over to the United States, which
kind of ties into hers because the cartel will either
exploit people who are coming over here looking for a
better life because they'll have they'll like kidnap a family
member and then these people are forced to bring their
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product over on the promise that their loved one will
be released.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
But also they'll recruit.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
US citizens to fly over to New Mexico and then
bring it to whatever state they were originally from.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
And then I think the biggest thing that shocked me
is how much they use street gangs.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Or like local gangs, especially like in Lynchburg. I remember
reading one of the articles there was like five different
people that were picked up from Lynchburg that had connections
to the cartel and kind of what Abby was saying, like,
we're in this liberty bubble and you.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Don't hear about it a whole lot.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
So I think it just doing this project kind of
pulled me back to reality a little bit.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
And I think part of my thinking was like, oh.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
We're we're at liberty, like this is a safe place
and obviously like liberty, Yes, liberty is safe, but there's
also bad things that go on around liberty.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So yeah, I don't know. Like for me, when I
think about it, I think it's very easy to blame
the people that are in this country illegally, but you
don't realize that, like it's not just about the money.
Sometimes it's just a life or death, yeah, situation for
these people. As far as moving product.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, I mean a lot of the people that were
coming over, they were looking for a better life, for
escaping violence, and then part of the violence that they
experienced was one of their loved ones getting taken or
held for ransom, and they, I mean, in their mind
they had to do what they do to just get
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their bat.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So, all right, Jolie, tell us about your illictit finance.
I know it doesn't it doesn't sound like there's a
lot of violence involved in that. But it's all money
does crazy things to people, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, I mean almost every all, all of the topics
had some sort of connection with illicit finance, because I mean,
you had to fund your drug operations and human trafficking,
and the cartels and the gangs, they all need to
use some element of illicit finance.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
But I think one of the coolest and most interesting things.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
That I found was that a lot of that it
doesn't It doesn't seem as I guess as big or
as I guess big Picture movie as it would seem.
It could even just be you know, someone just dming
or connecting with someone on Instagram saying hey, like, I'll
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offer you this amount of money if you just open
an account and just transfer some money for me, or
like hey, like, we'll give you two hundred dollars, Or
if you know someone especially at you know, the university,
they they're they're feeling lonely. They you know, they're looking
for someone, a significant other something, and someone you know
slides into their DMS and promises money, promises them, you know,
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affection and like, hey, all you just seed to do
is just to open an account for me and just
transfer some money for me and super easy, and you
know that person falls into that. And there's so many
other students at like a university or in a college
that could unintentionally be I guess a money in a sense.
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So I think it's it doesn't seem you know, like
a white collar crime like money laundering or but it can.
It can be that, But then it can also be
something that seems so small and so oh it doesn't
seem like a as an obvious crime. And then also
like a lot of scams, like how many of those
scams or those fraud emails could be something a lot bigger.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
So I guess what I hear is that there are
a lot of predators out Based on what your experiences
has been, there's a lot of predators out there, and
they might not be the scary person in the corner.
It could be just somebody that is trolling the internet,
finding somebody that's vulnerable and taking advantage of them.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, especially with you know, social media and the Internet.
It's it's there's so many dangers everywhere, just.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
A lot of access, isn't it. All Right, Well, let's
talk I know, this is like the reason y'all showed
up today was to talk about the dark Web. So
I'm gonna just let y'all go around the table at
your luxury and at whatever pace y'all want to go
through and just talk about the dark Web and what
you found, and let's let's dive into that and see
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what y'all have to tell with.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
So, yeah, I guess went on the dark Web, figured
out how to kind of go on there, and yeah,
we were finding you know, like a lot of marketplaces
that were selling drugs, weapons, services, like Hitmen for Hire.
They're selling documents, body parts, yeah, body parts.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
You could you know, buy a birth certificate, you could
buy a passport, you could buy other driver's license and
like official documents, yeah guy services, Yeah, like Hitmen for Hire.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
We were able to find.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
The Sinaloa Cartel's website, then the Just Go New Generation
as well, and other some you know gag mafia websites.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
So that was that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
So I guess how how exactly do you get to
the dark Web. Do you just type in to take
me to the dark Web or how does that work?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I mean you could you know, probably look up some
YouTube videos or some tutorials. I The way that I
I did it is you have to I guess, download
like a browser of the Tour browser, and they use
like different links and different you know, if you plug
(26:38):
in that link into like Safari or Google it nothing
will will pop up.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
It's that unique.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Specific to the Tour Browser that it's encrypted and it
lets you go onto those sites because you need that
that that onion link which is from the from the
Tour browser. So it's specific to the tour Like if
you plugged in that like Cinelo as their their website
link on the Tour Browser and to Google, nothing would
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pop up.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Okay, So it's I guess that that's the name dark Web.
You got to really know where you're going.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you really do have to know where
you're going because if you you know, open up the browser,
just as normally any type in like CNN, everything from
CNN will just normally pop up. You kind of have
to know what browsers to use, what search engines to use? Right,
kind of how to get onto the dark web?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
All right, what do you all have?
Speaker 6 (27:30):
I mean, we pretty much all did it together. We
like sat down and we all got on together. And
then there were times that we would get on in
Trent's office and we would just sit there for like
hours going through information.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
We did a lot of scrolling through the dark one.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
Yeah, I definitely needed to take a break for like
a week before getting back on it at one point.
Oh yikes. So it got to a point where we
were going through well, Jenna was also with me.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
We were just kind of going through.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
The human trafficking, trying to like figure out other like
hotspots and stuff. But then we came across some disgusting
chat rooms that had some very explicit, very graphic descriptions
about what they would do to children.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
And then that kind.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Of segued right into a website where they were selling
child pornography and selling children because like within that chat room,
they would send links to different websites where you could
like get whatever. So it got to a point like
we were seeing like all of these pictures of children
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for sale, and.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
They were in like bad shape.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
There was like so you could actually see the kids
and just so and I guess it really brings it
home when you see a child in that type of situation.
It's not You're not removed from it at that point.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
No, Like one of the websites was like yab yam
and it was like one weekend, take a trip. You
can have sex with any age whoever you want. It's
a luxury thing. You can take a trip to countries
like Bangladesh and others, or they could set up like
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a drop with you and you could meet them up
and do like an exchange here in the United States.
And it was just like to a point we were
so grossed out with it. We ended up reporting I
want to say, like around thirty different websites to Bedford County.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, and we talked about their internet crimes.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
So like we reported like over thirty websites about stuff
like that. And then oh, the other like weird one
was about prisoners of war. You could like watch them
get beat and like watch them like torture them, and
it was like you people.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Paying to.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Like it would site we found that had I think
it was girls from Cambodia that they'll literally find ways
to get them over here to you.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
And drop them in like at your doorstep.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, it was like not to I guess sound gross,
but it's kind of like you know how we have
like door dash and uber eats.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
It's kind of like that, but for human trafficking.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So it's it's really literally that I don't say simple
because you're all really smart, but literally, if you knew
what you were doing, you could go on the dark
Web and have a child delivered to your house.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Oh absolutely, And like they all like use bitcoin because
first they were like, oh, we need you to prove
that you're a real person, and they'll ask you like
a series of questions, then you'll answer and then and
they'll like give you like a phone number or something,
and then you reach out to them and then you
can pay through them, and it was like really weird.
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And then there was like another website that told you
all the ingredients you needed form meth and it was
like a step process.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
Yeah, it was a whole recipe.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Oh yeah, and like where you can like get all
the ingredients from there was website links, and then there
was another one like different poisons and what these poisons
will do to people and you could purchase them from
the website.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
No. No, I'm glad you are at liberty and we're
able to like separate yourself from that, because that when
I think of the dark Web, I think I don't
know that you'd crawl out from that if you got
involved in it. Really, I mean just I don't know.
I just for me having children, it just I don't know,
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And I don't know. Your generation is so good at
pulling information. I don't understand why the people, the powers
that be in government and law enforcement don't spend more
time tapping into the resource. The resource that y'all are
as far as you know. They just want to plug
you into like a system instead of saying, hey, look
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these these I'm sorry your kids, but these kids have
some amazing insights and if we just pay attention to
what they can do, I mean, look, look what they
can do. Uh with the information that we that you
pull and just your ability to dig into stuff, which
that's your generation. So we'll go right into that is
(32:35):
uh as problem solvers from the generation ze just kind
of go around the table and talk about I think
we've talked a little bit about problem solvers, and we
can circum back to that, but just talk about how
you get your news In this generation, everybody talks about,
you know, how how to reach your generation. I mean,
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I think with the latest election, they were talking about
how they reached out podcasts like this one. But how
do y'all get your news?
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Say?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I think most of our generation gets their news from
social media like Instagram, TikTok. That's even podcasts too, are
pretty big for our generation too. I know I use
news media apps, websites. I know some of like the
other students in school government they also will too. But yeah,
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I'd say probably a lot of TikTok and a lot
of Instagram.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So what does a TikTok story look like? Educate the
old people like me?
Speaker 6 (33:38):
You know?
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I actually I haven't had TikTok for three years.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I don't anybody at the table know anything about TikTok news.
Oh all right, so so.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
I don't know, it's not really on my feed that often.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Are you going to start with the disclaimer?
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yeah, okay, disclaimer? All right?
Speaker 6 (33:56):
But pretty much like every once in a while, like
something will pop up about like Trump. Normally it's from
like the left's point of view, and you're kind of
like whatever, not interested. Then I follow like a few
other sites that are more leaning in the direction that
I believe more like middle to like leaning right, and
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it's kind of like, oh, well, they're actually telling you
like interesting things like oh, like the Pope died or
like not that that's like super interesting, but I mean
it's something big in the news.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
What's big to a lot of people that are Roman Catholics,
so and there's that is a huge population.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
But it's also like, oh, like you're on your TikTok
and then just boom a video of like someone over
in Europe fighting in the war and you're seeing people
get killed and you're like, how is this even a lot?
Speaker 5 (34:47):
On TikTok?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
So we're talking about the war in Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Likeways like that will just pop up and you're just
like seeing people get shot and you're like are there
no guidelines?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
So so my my question is is that when you
get news like that, is that so you do you
have to make your own decision on what that's telling
you or I guess I'm really interested in you get
such a brief snippet, y'all are so detail oriented, how
do you extract the information out of that.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
So I guess if you're smart about it, you would
like look at that video and be like hmmm, like
is this actually real?
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Is this AI doing this whatever?
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Then you'll go like to your search browser and you'll
like look it up like on different news sites, and
you're like, oh, like this is actually legit, And then
you get different perspectives of like what the issue is,
what's happening, and then like you create your own decision.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
So you make it sound so simple like oh, I
just clicked this button. I click this button, but like
how does it actually work? Like how do you how
how do you get on your phone and get that
much information that quick?
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Well?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Step one, okay your phone, Step two, open TikTok Okay,
Step three you can search within TikTok or if that's
something that you're interested in, then it'll pop up on
your for you page right, which is like it gives
you a bunch of things that you're interested in.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
But who determines what you're interested in?
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Pretty much like you liking or resharing different videos?
Speaker 5 (36:20):
What's the word it like it's like an algorithm. Oh yeah,
that's the word.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
It will generate the smart people like, if you like
a video, it will generate similar videos, and it will
if you like, keep liking, or if you dislike, it
will take away videos that you're not so much a
fan of.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
So and then from there it's kind of like, oh, well,
now I'm seeing stuff. Now I need to make sure
that it's legitimate or that a AI isn't just putting
it on there. Someone created it with AI for fake news.
So then you go to like any news website, or
you can even turn on the TV and look at
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the news. But then you just need to like search
through and find what is kind of corresponding to that,
and then you kind of search their read and figure
out your own opinion about where you lean on that issue.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Okay, all right, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yeah, I mean, I don't have TikTok, but Instagram is
probably the main place I got to like. I like
watching Instagram reels, which is like what fifteen thirty second videos,
and so I'll just scroll through there and sometimes depending
on what's on my for you page, it's either the
news or random videos. But yeah, kind of what we
(37:42):
were saying earlier, it just your for you page is
dependent on what you like and what you disliked.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
So I felt we were discussing this earlier. I don't
know if y'all were here yet, but we were talking
about we feel like the population, there's each there's pop.
They're like individual pods that think alike, you know. And
and the more the more you get into the news,
the way you're getting it, your pod gets bigger. But
does that really open up your mind for another pod
(38:12):
that has a legitimate So how how would you recommend, like,
how do we get a total picture to your generation
that includes a pod that might not just like what
you said? Like when you came to school here, Abby,
you had this You had this kid that was in
your school that had never seen anybody, well, had seen
somebody that looked like you, but had been around people
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that looked just like her her entire life and then
had to adjust to you. What did you learn from
somebody like that? And what did you teach her? Really?
Speaker 6 (38:44):
Pretty much, I taught her that I wasn't scary, okay,
because I guess like a girl like with tattoos, like
never ever like really having a conversation with a white person.
It was like, oh, like I'm kind of scared, like
she I guess her immediate thought was, Oh, I'm racist,
but then she like found out like, oh, I'm not,
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and then we got along great and we just kind
of taught each other about our backgrounds and where we
came from, and we just kind of learned a lot
about each other in a sense. And like that, even
though I never experienced things that she went through, I
have a better picture on what she went through so
that I can take that information and take it anywhere,
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really like being more mindful of how you're talking and
reacting to people in different certain situations.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
So what do y'all, I mean, what did the two
of y' all think about that? Because like from my standpoint,
when I when I hear that, I feel like one
of the worst things that we do in law enforcement
is we give a twenty one, twenty two year old
the ability to take freedom from people that have a
ton of life experience and put them in jail. How
do we get your generation open to having those conversations
(39:59):
with others people? Do you all have any ideas or
thoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I mean, I think it really takes, uh, it takes
that person to be want to have an open mind,
because I know if there's so many like a lot
of my friends too, that they're just so closed minded,
like they they're they're they're told information that's cont that
contradicts their views, but they're already so closed minded that
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it just bounces off and they just don't me want
to hear it, they don't want to listen to it.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
So I think, I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I don't really have the answer, but it takes some
sort of effort to have an open mind and to
get people to be able to listen and they may
not agree with it, but just to kind of hear
about the other side.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Just slow down and listen to the other person because
they That's one of the things. I've been to a
lot of different schools, and I've had like really really
good instructors, and I've had ones that are not nearly
as good. But if I slow down and take a
take a breath and not look at all the things
that they're doing wrong, I learned stuff from each one
of them. And I think that's I think with age,
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that's what you learn is like everybody has something to
give to you if you're open to listen and just
be open to it. I just wonder how that works
in this technology age, because I do feel like we
have we're so divisive right now, but I think if
you sit down and have a conversation, we're not that
We're really not that far apart. I mean, I'm double
your age, but we have something in common. We really
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want to do something that makes things better, and so
like that's a starting point. But how do we get
to a starting point with your generation that gets your
news and those snippets, Like how do I mean, I
don't know how to get your I don't want to
say how to get your attention, but like, how do
we get your generations in engagement involvement? Y'all have so
(41:49):
many good answers and so many things to bring to
the table. How do we get your generation open to
something different? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (41:59):
I would say that our generation has a very short
attention span. So that's why people gravitate more towards TikTok
and Instagram reels rather than YouTube anymore necessarily because it's like, oh,
it's a quick little snippet, easy to watch.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
I can just keep on scrolling.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
But most people are so close minded now because it's like, oh,
little short snippet, it's what I like.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
It's what I like, it's what I like.
Speaker 6 (42:24):
You're not ever getting the other perspective. And Jollie was right, like,
it does take a certain person to have an open
mind to want to experience that. And I think that,
especially in the law enforcement sense, kind of putting opportunities
out there for the younger officers, let's say, to really
get out there in the community and like hear what
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these people have to say. Definitely like more interaction with
different people than themselves, people different views, and really taking
to heart what people say to in a certain sense,
because obviously you don't want to take everything to hurt,
but you really want to take somebody else's perspective and
kind of think like, oh, how does that affect me,
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how does it affect them? And is there anything that
I can do to change how they're feeling about a
certain thing. Like let's say someone thinks poorly on some
issue with drugs or something, and it's like, oh, well, yeah.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
Drugs are bad. What are we going to do to
stop this?
Speaker 6 (43:31):
How can I change your perspective on thinking that, oh,
all of these people are bad rather than thinking, oh, well,
there are bad people, but some people want help to
get better and kind of making them think differently, like, okay,
so these people actually want help. How do we differentiate
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who wants help, who doesn't want help, and how to
help them at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Do you think it's just having a conversation with.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
Them starting a conversation.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I think the biggest thing that I look at is
in listening to what you're saying, is we need to
do My generation needs to do a better job as
acting as mentors to open your minds, but also embrace
who you are as a problem solfer and say, hey,
I can provide you some insight you know, as far
as I don't want to say how the world works,
but like, let me show you my failures and I
(44:23):
learned from those fails. I think I trained dogs I
love I love that, and we trained. We trained a
failure and that's that's what we We put the dog
in a situation where they fail, and then we train
past it and when and so like, from my standpoint,
if we do a better job in my generation of
saying like, hey, you have a lot to bring to
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the table, Come show me what you know and let
me show you how I failed, I mean and be
be strong enough to go, Hey, I do fail. I fail.
I fail every day, but that doesn't change like the
core of who I am and and so like for
me with y'all is like I do feel like your
generation is such an untapped resource. You have so much
(45:06):
to give. But I think we I feel like people
in my age group and the leadership that we have
sometimes we forget. We were like, oh, well there's a
warm body that I can put in a seat, and
they're going to affect law enforcement like this, and I
think they totally forget like how much how much experience?
So I have life experience, but you have experience on
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how to collect information, Like I could never do what
y'all did, So I'm sorry, go ahead tell me about
your stuff. I'm a little lower my chair.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
I think just coming from personal experience now that I've
graduated working in the corrections field, you just come across
all these people and just all these different stories and
a lot of some of the stories I've heard, like
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it makes me think if I were in that situation,
like what I've done the same thing that they would
have done. And I think just having that real real
life experience too has also opened up my mind a
lot because you know, at liberty, a lot of us,
not that this is a bad thing by any means,
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a lot of us think the same way. But then
when you got into the real world you find that
there's lots of different points of views and learning how
to I think one of the things that was a
learning curve was learning how to be respectful and still
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disagree with that person.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
So no, I agree, And I guess, like I really
would like to think of, you know, talk more about
how we do get your generation more engaged and solutions, because,
like I said, y'all have y'all, I feel like you
are a conduit to an untapped resource and we just
have to be I don't know, put up big boy
(47:10):
pants on and say, hey, you can teach me. You
don't have the same life experiences that I have, but
is there any way for us to give you like
a taste of our life experiences and in turn, so
talk I think you talked about that before. Is just
like having people come to you and say, hey, here's
a project. Can you come up with an answer? Talk
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about that a little bit, Jillie.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, I think just having especially like I guess if
partnering with students and a law enforcement agency, just having
that law enforcement agency just coming to the students that
it could be, you know, something mundane, something that would
just take time off for that law enforcement agency so
that they can dedicate those resources in those times somewhere else.
(47:56):
But that student can easily fill. They can easily do it.
And I know for me that's kind of what I've
been doing in my internship is it's something they can
totally do, but I'm able to fill a position that
doesn't take someone off the streets for them, and especially
at a law enforcement agency, a small law enforcement agency
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where every person they have matters and it's taking someone
off the street is going to hurt their shift. So
it's something super easy. I just do a lot of
reading and a lot of writing. But for me, it's
way that I can gain experience. I'm able to put
it onto my resume. And they've been able to kind
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of pour their wisdom into me as well, and which
has been so much to me too. And if I
feel trusted by them, and so I feel more's loyal
to them, and I want to do a good job
at what I'm doing and I want to be the
best that I can.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
What do you think Abby, She's like, no, not me.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
Can you repeat the question?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
No, I'm just like for a real what is it?
Was it real fortune? Or what is that that that
they do that? Like, can you repeat the question? I
don't know, you know me, I forgot what the question was. No.
Speaker 6 (49:20):
I was just so like locked into what Julie was
saying that forgot.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
I mean, if I can circle back to what Jenna
said is I do think that we are teaching you
at Liberty and in other schools a very sterile book answer.
And I think that's what I'm hearing is like, we
give you the book answer, but are we giving you
like how to apply the knowledge that you have? Is
that what you're is that what you're saying is applied.
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So I learned the book answer, but then I get
out in the real world and the book answer, the.
Speaker 7 (49:51):
Book answer isn't always the answer.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
It's not okay talk about that.
Speaker 5 (49:55):
There's so much gray area too.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, we'll talk about that. Like one of the things
I want people to hear from y'all is your generation
has a ton to give to us if we just
slow down and listen to you and like, here's your chance.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
I mean, it's good to know, I guess the book answers.
Speaker 7 (50:19):
It's good to have that information because it is helpful.
It gives us a basis for.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
You know, where we could start out in solving a problem.
But I think one thing that makes our generation unique
is just how creatively we think.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
And I mean, you.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
Could give us a problem and I could solve it
one way, but then Abby could solve it a completely
different way, and so could Jolly.
Speaker 7 (50:44):
Like we just I think we just think in creative.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Ways that not are not necessarily the book answers, but
we like kind of make our.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
But it's a solution it is. It's not just creativity,
it's the ability to do what I think is really
hard work is the research. Like we were talking about before, y'all.
I know, when I used to interview people, we would
spend a ton of time talking to people and it
would take us days to figure out who they were
talking about. But I take somebody from your generation. You're
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able to look at their social media accounts and everything else,
and you're able to identify people really quick. And to me,
like that's a huge help. So I don't know, like
for me looking at y'all and looking at you as
the future of law enforcement, how do we keep you
out of like Okay, well this is the way we've
always done it. How do we in law enforcement embrace
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who you are as individuals? You talk about creativity, like,
how do how do we do a better job of
saying Abby, this is what I would this is what
I need, Joe Lee, Jenna, like, what do we need
to do to get you engaged to solutions? And then
the harder question is how do we get your minds
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opened up where you have been inundated with information from
people that think just like you.
Speaker 6 (52:06):
I would say, definitely opportunities, giving more opportunities, more freedom
to each task, but also saying, okay, well I know
about this way, find another way, like giving that okay,
so this is how we've always done it, but find
a different way, try something different, And like giving those
(52:28):
leading questions, I'd say, like giving us a kind of
direction in.
Speaker 5 (52:35):
Going and thinking outside of the box.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
So when we did the Intel project, we didn't give
you a whole lot of direction. We gave you kind
of like a guardrails either side of the road, and
we're like, get to where you need to go.
Speaker 6 (52:46):
We like taught ourselves pretty much how to do everything right,
because like.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
So you created your own way of collecting information, you
created your own way to validate information.
Speaker 6 (52:56):
Yeah, because you told us to do the like case
study things like for my group, we didn't actually do
that many of them because we didn't think that they
were really that beneficial for us, because we're like, well,
if we're putting this into a power point, it's like
a waste of time for us to put it all
in a separate document and all this and that, when
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we could just put it all into a slideshow, have
different links here and there, Having like a actual just
open document itself. Just putting all the links and what
we find underneath them was a lot more easier, easier
to read, way less confusing, a lot more simpler, and
everyone can all work on it at the same time.
But you're also like, oh, so this person found this site.
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What can I take from this site? But also what
information can I use to find something else on a
different site, So it's.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Not only collecting the information but leading to other information rather.
Speaker 6 (53:50):
Than having different people send in the case studies. And
then you're like, oh, well, I have all these different ones.
But it's just like words, words, words, words, words, rather
than oh, screenshot here, highlight something here, let's color code
like this is for drug trafficking, this color is for
human trafficking, this color is for how they relate together.
(54:12):
And it was just a lot easier that way rather
than each individual person sending me a different thing. But
we were all able to see what everyone else found,
so then we could use that to branch off.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
What do you think anybody else, I.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Just say, I just say, like making opportunities for students
to get engaged. I guess, yeah, I guess for them
to be a part of that organization. I also would
say just being open to change, because I know, especially
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at what I've seen a lot of law enforcement is.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
They're kind of resistant to change.
Speaker 5 (54:59):
Actually a lot of them are very resistant.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
So I'm unique. But also I also have the tag
in the fact that says doesn't play well with others
may bite things like that.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yeah, so I think having and it really all starts
with leadership. You have to have that leadership being able
to be open to change, and then that's gonna trickle
down all the way down to the officers. So being
open to change and listening, I mean, even though some
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twenty two year old is gonna have a suggestion. But
I think just listening to them acknowledging their idea, and
it could be a dumb idea, but just listening to
them making them feel I guess, listen to and then
maybe the next idea they'll have is a great one.
But I guess if they immediately just shut that that
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twenty two year old down, that's gonna they're gonna carry.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
That for a while.
Speaker 5 (55:57):
After that.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
Yeah, I would say, I mean kind of going off, Julie,
just investing, taking the time to invest, because when at
least for me personally, when I feel like some like
the person who's come to me, when I feel like
they're just invested as I am, I'm more motivated to
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want to do a good job, to want to excel
at whatever project is given to me. But yeah, I said,
listening to like it is. I think as a twenty
two year old coming to you know, a seasoned law
enforcement that has so many years of experience, can be
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a little bit intimidating, and so just knowing that they're
open to our ideas, even though it may not be
the same way that they would have done it.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
What do you think and that was there was two
parts to that question that asked, remember my question this time,
So how do we open your mind? So you've told
y'all gone around the table, and you've told me how
we engage with you, But how do we get more
information to you to give you more of our life experiences?
Is it a conditional What I'm hearing is it's a
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conditional offer if we listen. I'm just joking, by the way,
but it is kind of a conditional thing. Is that
if we engage with you and we listen to you,
you will take the time to sit down and instead
of that quick blurb, you might sit down and talk
to somebody like me for a period of time and go, well,
he's not really right. But he did have a point
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about that.
Speaker 6 (57:40):
So it's like the effort, Like, if you're going to
put effort into me, then I'm going to put effort
back into you. Like if you're giving me the time
of day, you're listening to what I have to say,
and you're taking what I have to say into consideration,
or you're at least going to try my idea, then
that makes me want to work harder and give you
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something more concrete. And it's like, oh, well, okay, so
maybe this didn't exactly work out how I wanted it,
but now this is what I'm going to do. But
it all takes a conversation at the end of the day,
and like if you're listening, if you were willing to,
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then it'll go like Miles.
Speaker 1 (58:24):
Y'all shaking your head.
Speaker 5 (58:26):
So you agree, we all agree.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
So we're going to end it like this, as like
your chance going around the table. This is like your
mic drop moment. Go around the table. Tell us one
thing that nobody knows, not nobody knows, but something that
would be surprising based on your experience at Liberty in
this Intel project. One thing I'll go first. How about that?
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So the first the thing that I felt found was
the most interesting is I had someone telling me like, oh,
you need to given more direction, you need to do this,
you need to do this, you need to do this.
And it wasn't that I was being lazy. It was
just me saying, like, I just want to see how
they arrive at the destination. I'm going to just give
them a topic, a topic that I think is very
relevant to what we're doing right now, and I want
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to see how they get there, and so like that
was my thing with Liberty and y'all like y'all shot it,
shot it way past what I thought you'd get to.
So and I don't mean that in a bad way,
but I feel like the product that y'all produced, and
I am very proud of what y'all accomplished. I feel
like all of y'all invested a lot of time and
effort and came out with the finished product that should
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have been more than just like, oh, it should have
been like, holy shit, this is amazing, and well edit
that one outen for the Liberty Crown, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (59:49):
I think yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
I think for me, it was the opportunities that came afterwards,
Like I had. There's another I guess research group very
similar to the I Get the Intel group that we
did with the school government, kind of more on the
policy side. But I think it was the day or
two after we had given that presentation a professor called
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me and he said, hey, I want you to be
part of this group. So I was able to do
that group for two more semesters and we were able
to work with the FBI, and just this last semester
we gave that presentation with for the FBI. We also
gave it to the Virginia Secretary of Homeland Security and
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Public Safety. So it was just it was like it
was really cool just to see how that opportunity. I
don't know, it didn't really feel, you know, like this
big opportunity at first, but just how it opened the
doors for me into other opportunities.
Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
It really opened my mind to thinking a different way
and funding information differently, and like it's actually, like the
most interesting thing that I found throughout all of this
is that even though the porn industry is a ninety
seven billion dollar industry, that eighty nine percent of pornography
actually comes from the United States, and fifty five percent
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of that is children. So it's like you're finding out
all this stuff and you're like, wow, this is something
very very interesting, and you're like, oh, well, now we
can see that pornography actually is a link to human trafficking,
and there's so much of it happening in America that
now my wheels are turning and I'm like, Okay, well,
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how can you put concrete evidence into how these relate
and how can you put a stop to it here
in the United States. So it's like now I'm looking
for different opportunities to actually take that information run with
it so we can actually help lower these rates and
lower the human trafficking rate in America.
Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
I like it, yeah, I said.
Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
For me, I think so learning about fentanyl and just
seeing how prevalent it is right now, especially at work,
just seeing how many people are coming in from through
smoking something that's been mixed with fentanyl or just straight fentanyl.
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That's just blown my mind of how big of a
problem it's becoming right now.
Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
All Right, Well, like I said, I really appreciate y'all
coming in. Like I said, I'm I don't feel like
I'm biased. I just feel like I am more open
to what y'all had to give. And I just hope
people on my side do a better job of opening
their eyes and saying like, hey, these kids have a
lot to give, let's tap into this resource.
Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Ah No,
Not very long ago, back in twenty twenty three, we
did an Intel project of at Liberty University. It was
very unique. We didn't give him a whole lot of direction.
It was me and a guy that worked with the agency,
and uh, we we got a bunch of students in
there and gave them some topics. And here are three
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of the all stars from that, and uh, they're going
to talk a little bit about what they learned, but
also educate I obviously come from a generation much different
than theirs, and they're going to kind of educate us
on what they dealt with in some of the in
some of the things they got into. Full disclosure, this
is all open source information. These these ladies went out
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there and Doug and well, they got into some stuff
that kind of scared me. I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna lie. But other than snakes, that's all I really
really scared of. But anyway, I'm gonna introduced each one
of them and then let them kind of talk about
their lives and what they did, how they got to Liberty,
and how this whole Intel experience worked for him. We
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got Joe Lee, She's going to talk about talk a
little bit about being a triplet. We got Jenna and
funny thing when we were getting ready for this, I
kept talking about being around the table and they were all,
I think they thought I was crazy, But we actually
are around the table, so it's easier and I get
to actually see And then we have Abby on the
other side, and like I said, she's going to talk
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a little bit about what got her to Liberty and
then you know how it all worked from an intel standpoint.
Joe Lee was kind of I left her out when
we did the first run through of this, and so anyway,
I'm gonna let her start. So just tell us a
little bit about yourself, Jolee, and how you got to
Liberty and just what it was like growing up a triplet.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Oh yeah, So I'm originally from California and I came
out here for Liberty. I was looking for program with
like criminal justice, and Liberty just kind of checked off
all the boxes and of course toured the campus and
it was beautiful, and I yeah, I grew up as
a triplet.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
That was kind of It was fun.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Always had a building best friend and so always you know,
have the same friends with the classes together, share the
same birthdays, clothes, everything, and then you have younger sister
on top of that too.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So who was the best student of the three of you,
since they're not here to defend themselves.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I'd say probably my sister.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I okay, yeah, yeah, well I definitely know if there's
someone smorro than you and that triplet, it's a scary day.
They're going to take over the world. So all right, Jenna,
tell us a little about yourself.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, so I'm originally adopted from China and I grew
up here. Originally grew up in Fredericksburg, Virginia, and then
when I was looking for colleges, actually Liberty was last
on my list, so I was very determined to go
out of state. But then I really felt the Lord
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leave me to Liberty, and I really liked that it
was a Christian university and that was kind of my
basis for criminal justice was my faith. So toward the
campus and I was like, really like this way you
want me? And when I got to Liberty, I really
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enjoyed it, really enjoyed the professors and just all the
opportunities that I had there.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So yeah, so Frederick Berg to Lynchburg regime. So that
first hot from Chatta was a little bit bigger than
the one from Fredericksburg to Lynchburg.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I would say, yeah, just a little bit, but I
was I had just turned one, so I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You don't have any recollection A little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
I have a little bit of a recollection. The only
thing that I can remember from coming over was falling
asleep on my dad's shoulder on a bus and I
think we were going to the airport.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So where in China? Where are you from?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
So I was adopted from Guanzho, China. I guess kind
of like the southernmost part of China.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Well that's a really cool I don't know. I think
that's a really cool story. And I don't think she's going, well,
I shouldn't say you're not going to opera? But where
are you from?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
From Belarus?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Okay? So for for those of us that don't know
where that's at.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
So it's like in between Russian Poland and right below Lithuania.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Okay, tell us how you got the Liberty So.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Well, I'm originally from there, but then I grew up
in Pennsylvania, and then I have family that lived in Richmond,
and then my cousin went to Liberty I toured it
and loved it, and.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Then I came here.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
So my my question about Liberty is is it just
the entertainment or what is it about Liberty that like
draws people like you to the school? And I don't know.
I've always been really impressed with students that come from
Liberty and just the way y'all did the project. So
why would you all recommend lu?
Speaker 6 (05:17):
I would have to say, like, from my standpoint, like
Liberty has like the nicest people in the whole world, like,
and you just feel welcomed by everyone, and especially having
a faith based education, you look at the world from
a different perspective rather than like the normal person, and
it just gives you a better outlook on life in general.
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And it's really giving you core values so you can
take that in any career that you decide to go into.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So it's just the core of the Christian core, Liberty
and just the culture up there. And I guess y'all
all have experienced different places. Y'all all go to public
schools or no.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
I went to private school, Okay, Christian private school?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, same.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I started in a Christian school and then I made
my parents take me out and then I was in public.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
School, Okay, So I mean I think that's always interesting
people talk about the difference between a public education in
private education. But I don't know, what do you think
as far as your experience at Liberty going from a
public school. I guess the two of y'all that went
to private school, how did that relate back to going
to Liberty? Is that just like a continuation or what
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would you say it is?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
At first, after going through a private Christian school, I
didn't want to go to a Christian private university at all.
I wanted to get out, get away from that. And
then I really liked the fact that it was a
faith based like university. I mean, it's really I love it.
With the classes, the professors, they'll teach you how to
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have your faith, especially in law enforcement or like in
your future career. So that is really cool and really unique.
The professor they really care, they really they're they're strong Christians.
They they they really care about their students. And so
just seeing that is has been incredible and I've I've
loved that all the professors they really care, they want
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you to succeed, and they actually get bothered when you
know students aren't coming to them and asking them questions.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
So yeah, okay, what about the two of y'all.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I would say, I'm kind of in the same boat
with Julie. Once I graduated from my high school, I
was like, I'm ready to, you know, go out into
the world, and I wanted to.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
I actually wanted to leave Virginia like all together. I
told my parents.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I was like, the only way I'm staying in Virginia
is if I like am able to get into jam
U or Virginia TEK. Right. But then when I toured Liberty,
I think the same as Julie said, just the faith
and how the professors really into you and really care,
and just like all the opportunities that Liberty students get.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
I mean, we have a lot of doors.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Open for us because the professors have so many connections,
especially in the criminal justice program.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Like I've done things that I never thought I would
do as a college student.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So yeah, that's that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Like I've been able to go to like several embassies
in DC, like China and Finland, and uh, that's that's
pretty cool. And going on like an aircraft carrier, like
that's that's pretty cool. And yeah, just the connections and
the that the professors have, and they like they they
start things too. So like this this intel group was
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sorry for one of the professors because she she wanted
us to succeed and to get that gate that experience.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, what about you have?
Speaker 6 (08:51):
I mean they kind of said the majority of it.
But coming from a public school standpoint, it was like
kind of like a culture shock almost because there are
so many diverse people at Liberty and you don't know
what you're going to walk into. Because like my roommate
freshman year, she only went to a all black schools,
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so having a white roommate was a really big shock
for her. But you just get to experience everyone else's
life story and it's so diverse that again, it helps
your perspective on multiple different types of people.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I think that's one of the coolest things about I
don't know, the older you get aren't there yet, But
the older you get, the more you realize how much
in common you have as a human being to other people.
And if you could just focus your attention on that
instead of like all the I just hear all the
noise people make about like well, we're different, we're different,
we're different. But I think the core of most humans
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inside of the United States of America they love this country.
And I think it's really cool we have two people
that from a different country and they're already serving. I mean,
how old are y'all now?
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Two?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I mean all three of y'all have well two of
you coming from another country, California. It's just about another country.
But in all seriousness, note it's too bad they're not closer.
I won't go into you already know, right, but you're
probably from a good conservative area in California, right, No,
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all right, fair enough, all right, so tell me about
We'll go round the table and just talk about your
experience getting into the Intel project. And just I'll give
you this preference. It's Professor trent Is, the professor at
Liberty University that I got in touch with, and like
I said, she was very very open to the thought
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of doing an Intel project. And just tell us how
y'all got into the project.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
We'll start with you. You're starting, all right.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
So fun fact, I wasn't like invited onto the project
or I wasn't on the list of people. I just
kind of stumbled on it because after class I would
normally hang out with doctor Trent, and so after one
of our classes, she would go to these meetings. So
I just come hang out at the meetings, and at
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some point Trent was like, well, do you want to
join this project? And I was like, sure, I'll join it. It
sounds like a neat opportunity and really interesting.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
So I just kind of stumbled upon it.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
To be honest, Well.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
It's sometimes it is sometimes the right place, right time, right,
And I'm glad you got into it. What about you?
Speaker 6 (11:37):
So I was kind of just hanging out in doctor
Trent's office, like with Jenna, because like we had a
little little group and we would just hang out and
we were like a posse.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Oh yeah, we were her posse for sure.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
But I wasn't invited onto the project either initially, just
because with my prior busy schedule with RTC the military
and classes and everything that she didn't initially send me
the email. But then she gave me the opportunity and
I was like sure, I mean this sounds like a
great opportunity and I definitely want to take this opportunity
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to heart and really just excel.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Okay, yeah, I had an email invite and I didn't
really read the email and so on, Like the day
of the meeting, I was like, oh, I kind of
remember that there's a meeting at this classroom at this time,
and I wasn't going to go to it.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
And then I was like, eah, you know, I'll just
check it out.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And then yeah, that's how. That's how.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So you just kind of fell into it. Huh yeah, yea,
all right, So can y'all kind of go into like
the methodology? So basically we just gave you some topics
and some things that we wanted studied, and how did
y'all go about collecting information? Just kind of just a
brief synopsis on like, hey, if I give you, for example,
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sent a looa cartel, how did you get the information
about the cartel? And how did all that work?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, So most of the project for us was open
source information. So we would look at like news articles
that were on Google. For me personally, I would like
read an article and then find a person's name, and
then I would type that person's name in and then
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like go down all these different rabbit holes and then
we got like all this information. So we dived deeper
to see if we could confirm some of.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
That information, so you go into open source and then
just start validating the information with other sources. Yeah, well
that's pretty cool, all right.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
That's the same thing that like we all pretty much did. Yeah,
but then we like ended up going deeper and getting
onto the dark web.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Oh, I can't wait for you to tell me about that. So,
so you had human and drug trafficking. We'll stood out
to you about that the most.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Probably like that it's happening in Lynchburg, and like you
wouldn't think that something like that happened so close to home.
And then you just find all these different places that
are actually traffic trafficking girls through and you're just like,
this is happening, and why hasn't anyone put a stop
to it?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So, I know we talked, we've talked about this before,
and I don't think we talked about it the last
time we talked. But so y'all would y'all actually found
a place here locally on the dark from the dark Web,
and people were actually commenting on different females and it
showed a pattern of these females going from shop to
shop to shop. Is that correct?
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Yeah? It was like different shark the massage parlors, right, Like,
that's what.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Actually, I don't think that was on the dark Web.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
It was just on Google.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Yeah, that one was on Google. But then there was
another chat room on the dark Web that said, oh,
go to like this place and ask for like this
certain girl because she does it best or whatever, and
it was like what. But then also we were able
to find throughout those chat rooms, like different pedophile chat rooms.
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I would talk about like the craziest stuff within, like
Virginia because the chat room was like Virginia pedophiles or whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I just I don't know, I've done this for a while,
but the depth that y'all were able to get to
in such a very short time. I want to talk
more about it later about just the value of your
generation as far as being able to do your research.
And if we just get out of our own way
and tap into these minds that know how to get
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to the information and not ignore it, man, we could
do a lot. Jolie, listit finance, tell us how much
you hated me for you getting the listed finance, and
then how cool it was.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Oh yeah, that was the out of all the other topics.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
That was when I wanted the least when we got
that topic, we had to kind of teach ourselves, likelictit finance,
because I didn't realize how big it is. I mean,
every criminal organization does it, and it happens everywhere. I
mean even I mean it happens in other countries internationally,
and then even in Nelson County, Virginia. Right, So it's
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and it ranges from like money laundering, money mules. Yeah,
just uses cryptocurrency, uses cash, use his gold and so
that was really fascinating to kind of learn about all
that and how how big it is, but then how
small it can also be at the same time.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
You so you got the big picture all the way
down to the small picture into the community that you
live in.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, all right. So I don't know if you are
up for this or not, but we're gonna try it.
Just tell us, tell us a little bit. I'm going
to give you a little bit of time, but just
tell us a little bit of out the topics that
y'all went over and just kind of like how it
changed your view of what you see, like when you
read the national news and things like that, based on
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your research that you've done, how does that change the
way you look at things. How does it adjust the
lens that you perceive things in each one of you?
And whoever wants to start, go ahead. I know I
threw all curve ball, but I just I would just
like to know. I know I'm very jaded, just from
my experiences in law enforcement. What I would like is,
you know, the deep dive that you did, was there
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anything that you see that that had an impact and
that you looked at and are like, this is going
to change the way I look at life going forward.
Whoever wants to go first, I mean.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
I guess I'll go first, all right.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
So with human and drug trafficking, like I didn't realize
how big it was, and I didn't know like how
it impact like so close to home because you don't
realize that like these things are happening because it's not
projected enough in the news.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
But then whenever you.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Go deeper, it's like, oh well, human and drug trafficking
do go hand to hand. Like where there's drugs, there's
nine times out of ten probably people being trafficked within
there too. And then from there, like if you're looking
at some area has an extreme amount of overdoses, then
you can probably relate it to them drug trafficking something
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in and that's like a hotspot for it. So you
just need to find out where it's coming from. And
then if you find that, then you can find probably
more human trafficking cases along with it. And especially like
what we found in Lynchberg, it was like wow, like
all of this is happening, and like the gangs are
getting involved too, and it's just everywhere, and you don't
realize like how much it affects a community, like even
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though yeah, we're in like a liberty bubble, but I mean,
you don't hear about it at liberty, so you're just
like completely unaware of what's happening around you. And it
definitely like makes me think twice of where I'm going
or like who's with me. I'm definitely way more observant
about my surroundings due to this project.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I think one of the things that I think about
is I think people people look at it. They'll go
by a massage parlor and they're like, oh, you know,
it's kind of like a laughing thing. You know, that's
kind of funny.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
You know, personally I'd never go to one.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Right, But I'm just saying people laugh about it and
they make jokes about it, but you literally found where
these women were being traffic from place to place to place.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
And.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
We look at it. I don't know, like from my standpoint,
when you look at that, it just it does hit home.
It does hit home that like there are people out
here that are subservient to other people. And that's a
great transition to your Cineloa cartel. Because you were talking
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
So for the Cinelo cartel, my group, we basically did
a big overview of kind of who runs the cartel
and just like the structure, so like the leadership structure,
and then how they do their operations, so how they
get the chemicals to make their product, and then how
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they get their product over to the United States, which
kind of ties into hers because the cartel will either
exploit people who are coming over here looking for a
better life because they'll have they'll like kidnap a family
member and then these people are forced to bring their
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product over on the promise that their loved one will
be released.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
But also they'll recruit.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
US citizens to fly over to New Mexico and then
bring it to whatever state they were originally from.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
And then I think the biggest thing that shocked me
is how much they use street gangs.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Or like local gangs, especially like in Lynchburg. I remember
reading one of the articles there was like five different
people that were picked up from Lynchburg that had connections
to the cartel and kind of what Abby was saying, like,
we're in this liberty bubble and you.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Don't hear about it a whole lot.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
So I think it just doing this project kind of
pulled me back to reality a little bit.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
And I think part of my thinking was like, oh.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
We're we're at liberty, like this is a safe place
and obviously like liberty, Yes, liberty is safe, but there's
also bad things that go on around liberty.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So yeah, I don't know. Like for me, when I
think about it, I think it's very easy to blame
the people that are in this country illegally, but you
don't realize that, like it's not just about the money.
Sometimes it's just a life or death, yeah, situation for
these people. As far as moving product.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, I mean a lot of the people that were
coming over, they were looking for a better life, for
escaping violence, and then part of the violence that they
experienced was one of their loved ones getting taken or
held for ransom, and they, I mean, in their mind
they had to do what they do to just get
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their bat.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So, all right, Jolie, tell us about your illictit finance.
I know it doesn't it doesn't sound like there's a
lot of violence involved in that. But it's all money
does crazy things to people, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, I mean almost every all, all of the topics
had some sort of connection with illicit finance, because I mean,
you had to fund your drug operations and human trafficking,
and the cartels and the gangs, they all need to
use some element of illicit finance.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
But I think one of the coolest and most interesting things.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
That I found was that a lot of that it
doesn't It doesn't seem as I guess as big or
as I guess big Picture movie as it would seem.
It could even just be you know, someone just dming
or connecting with someone on Instagram saying hey, like, I'll
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offer you this amount of money if you just open
an account and just transfer some money for me, or
like hey, like, we'll give you two hundred dollars, Or
if you know someone especially at you know, the university,
they they're they're feeling lonely. They you know, they're looking
for someone, a significant other something, and someone you know
slides into their DMS and promises money, promises them, you know,
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affection and like, hey, all you just seed to do
is just to open an account for me and just
transfer some money for me and super easy, and you
know that person falls into that. And there's so many
other students at like a university or in a college
that could unintentionally be I guess a money in a sense.
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So I think it's it doesn't seem you know, like
a white collar crime like money laundering or but it can.
It can be that, But then it can also be
something that seems so small and so oh it doesn't
seem like a as an obvious crime. And then also
like a lot of scams, like how many of those
scams or those fraud emails could be something a lot bigger.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
So I guess what I hear is that there are
a lot of predators out Based on what your experiences
has been, there's a lot of predators out there, and
they might not be the scary person in the corner.
It could be just somebody that is trolling the internet,
finding somebody that's vulnerable and taking advantage of them.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, especially with you know, social media and the Internet.
It's it's there's so many dangers everywhere, just.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
A lot of access, isn't it. All Right, Well, let's
talk I know, this is like the reason y'all showed
up today was to talk about the dark Web. So
I'm gonna just let y'all go around the table at
your luxury and at whatever pace y'all want to go
through and just talk about the dark Web and what
you found, and let's let's dive into that and see
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what y'all have to tell with.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
So, yeah, I guess went on the dark Web, figured
out how to kind of go on there, and yeah,
we were finding you know, like a lot of marketplaces
that were selling drugs, weapons, services, like Hitmen for Hire.
They're selling documents, body parts, yeah, body parts.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
You could you know, buy a birth certificate, you could
buy a passport, you could buy other driver's license and
like official documents, yeah guy services, Yeah, like Hitmen for Hire.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
We were able to find.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
The Sinaloa Cartel's website, then the Just Go New Generation
as well, and other some you know gag mafia websites.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
So that was that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
So I guess how how exactly do you get to
the dark Web. Do you just type in to take
me to the dark Web or how does that work?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I mean you could you know, probably look up some
YouTube videos or some tutorials. I The way that I
I did it is you have to I guess, download
like a browser of the Tour browser, and they use
like different links and different you know, if you plug
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in that link into like Safari or Google it nothing
will will pop up.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
It's that unique.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Specific to the Tour Browser that it's encrypted and it
lets you go onto those sites because you need that
that that onion link which is from the from the
Tour browser. So it's specific to the tour Like if
you plugged in that like Cinelo as their their website
link on the Tour Browser and to Google, nothing would
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pop up.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Okay, So it's I guess that that's the name dark Web.
You got to really know where you're going.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you really do have to know where
you're going because if you you know, open up the browser,
just as normally any type in like CNN, everything from
CNN will just normally pop up. You kind of have
to know what browsers to use, what search engines to use? Right,
kind of how to get onto the dark web?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
All right, what do you all have?
Speaker 6 (27:30):
I mean, we pretty much all did it together. We
like sat down and we all got on together. And
then there were times that we would get on in
Trent's office and we would just sit there for like
hours going through information.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
We did a lot of scrolling through the dark one.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
Yeah, I definitely needed to take a break for like
a week before getting back on it at one point.
Oh yikes. So it got to a point where we
were going through well, Jenna was also with me.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
We were just kind of going through.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
The human trafficking, trying to like figure out other like
hotspots and stuff. But then we came across some disgusting
chat rooms that had some very explicit, very graphic descriptions
about what they would do to children.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
And then that kind.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Of segued right into a website where they were selling
child pornography and selling children because like within that chat room,
they would send links to different websites where you could
like get whatever. So it got to a point like
we were seeing like all of these pictures of children
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for sale, and.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
They were in like bad shape.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
There was like so you could actually see the kids
and just so and I guess it really brings it
home when you see a child in that type of situation.
It's not You're not removed from it at that point.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
No, Like one of the websites was like yab yam
and it was like one weekend, take a trip. You
can have sex with any age whoever you want. It's
a luxury thing. You can take a trip to countries
like Bangladesh and others, or they could set up like
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a drop with you and you could meet them up
and do like an exchange here in the United States.
And it was just like to a point we were
so grossed out with it. We ended up reporting I
want to say, like around thirty different websites to Bedford County.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, and we talked about their internet crimes.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
So like we reported like over thirty websites about stuff
like that. And then oh, the other like weird one
was about prisoners of war. You could like watch them
get beat and like watch them like torture them, and
it was like you people.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Paying to.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Like it would site we found that had I think
it was girls from Cambodia that they'll literally find ways
to get them over here to you.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
And drop them in like at your doorstep.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, it was like not to I guess sound gross,
but it's kind of like you know how we have
like door dash and uber eats.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
It's kind of like that, but for human trafficking.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So it's it's really literally that I don't say simple
because you're all really smart, but literally, if you knew
what you were doing, you could go on the dark
Web and have a child delivered to your house.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Oh absolutely, And like they all like use bitcoin because
first they were like, oh, we need you to prove
that you're a real person, and they'll ask you like
a series of questions, then you'll answer and then and
they'll like give you like a phone number or something,
and then you reach out to them and then you
can pay through them, and it was like really weird.
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And then there was like another website that told you
all the ingredients you needed form meth and it was
like a step process.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
Yeah, it was a whole recipe.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Oh yeah, and like where you can like get all
the ingredients from there was website links, and then there
was another one like different poisons and what these poisons
will do to people and you could purchase them from
the website.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
No. No, I'm glad you are at liberty and we're
able to like separate yourself from that, because that when
I think of the dark Web, I think I don't
know that you'd crawl out from that if you got
involved in it. Really, I mean just I don't know.
I just for me having children, it just I don't know,
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And I don't know. Your generation is so good at
pulling information. I don't understand why the people, the powers
that be in government and law enforcement don't spend more
time tapping into the resource. The resource that y'all are
as far as you know. They just want to plug
you into like a system instead of saying, hey, look
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these these I'm sorry your kids, but these kids have
some amazing insights and if we just pay attention to
what they can do, I mean, look, look what they
can do. Uh with the information that we that you
pull and just your ability to dig into stuff, which
that's your generation. So we'll go right into that is
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uh as problem solvers from the generation ze just kind
of go around the table and talk about I think
we've talked a little bit about problem solvers, and we
can circum back to that, but just talk about how
you get your news In this generation, everybody talks about,
you know, how how to reach your generation. I mean,
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I think with the latest election, they were talking about
how they reached out podcasts like this one. But how
do y'all get your news?
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Say?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I think most of our generation gets their news from
social media like Instagram, TikTok. That's even podcasts too, are
pretty big for our generation too. I know I use
news media apps, websites. I know some of like the
other students in school government they also will too. But yeah,
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I'd say probably a lot of TikTok and a lot
of Instagram.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So what does a TikTok story look like? Educate the
old people like me?
Speaker 6 (33:38):
You know?
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I actually I haven't had TikTok for three years.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I don't anybody at the table know anything about TikTok news.
Oh all right, so so.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
I don't know, it's not really on my feed that often.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Are you going to start with the disclaimer?
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yeah, okay, disclaimer? All right?
Speaker 6 (33:56):
But pretty much like every once in a while, like
something will pop up about like Trump. Normally it's from
like the left's point of view, and you're kind of
like whatever, not interested. Then I follow like a few
other sites that are more leaning in the direction that
I believe more like middle to like leaning right, and
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it's kind of like, oh, well, they're actually telling you
like interesting things like oh, like the Pope died or
like not that that's like super interesting, but I mean
it's something big in the news.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
What's big to a lot of people that are Roman Catholics,
so and there's that is a huge population.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
But it's also like, oh, like you're on your TikTok
and then just boom a video of like someone over
in Europe fighting in the war and you're seeing people
get killed and you're like, how is this even a lot?
Speaker 5 (34:47):
On TikTok?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
So we're talking about the war in Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Likeways like that will just pop up and you're just
like seeing people get shot and you're like are there
no guidelines?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
So so my my question is is that when you
get news like that, is that so you do you
have to make your own decision on what that's telling
you or I guess I'm really interested in you get
such a brief snippet, y'all are so detail oriented, how
do you extract the information out of that.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
So I guess if you're smart about it, you would
like look at that video and be like hmmm, like
is this actually real?
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Is this AI doing this whatever?
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Then you'll go like to your search browser and you'll
like look it up like on different news sites, and
you're like, oh, like this is actually legit, And then
you get different perspectives of like what the issue is,
what's happening, and then like you create your own decision.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
So you make it sound so simple like oh, I
just clicked this button. I click this button, but like
how does it actually work? Like how do you how
how do you get on your phone and get that
much information that quick?
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Well?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Step one, okay your phone, Step two, open TikTok Okay,
Step three you can search within TikTok or if that's
something that you're interested in, then it'll pop up on
your for you page right, which is like it gives
you a bunch of things that you're interested in.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
But who determines what you're interested in?
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Pretty much like you liking or resharing different videos?
Speaker 5 (36:20):
What's the word it like it's like an algorithm. Oh yeah,
that's the word.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
It will generate the smart people like, if you like
a video, it will generate similar videos, and it will
if you like, keep liking, or if you dislike, it
will take away videos that you're not so much a
fan of.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
So and then from there it's kind of like, oh, well,
now I'm seeing stuff. Now I need to make sure
that it's legitimate or that a AI isn't just putting
it on there. Someone created it with AI for fake news.
So then you go to like any news website, or
you can even turn on the TV and look at
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the news. But then you just need to like search
through and find what is kind of corresponding to that,
and then you kind of search their read and figure
out your own opinion about where you lean on that issue.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Okay, all right, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yeah, I mean, I don't have TikTok, but Instagram is
probably the main place I got to like. I like
watching Instagram reels, which is like what fifteen thirty second videos,
and so I'll just scroll through there and sometimes depending
on what's on my for you page, it's either the
news or random videos. But yeah, kind of what we
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were saying earlier, it just your for you page is
dependent on what you like and what you disliked.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
So I felt we were discussing this earlier. I don't
know if y'all were here yet, but we were talking
about we feel like the population, there's each there's pop.
They're like individual pods that think alike, you know. And
and the more the more you get into the news,
the way you're getting it, your pod gets bigger. But
does that really open up your mind for another pod
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that has a legitimate So how how would you recommend, like,
how do we get a total picture to your generation
that includes a pod that might not just like what
you said? Like when you came to school here, Abby,
you had this You had this kid that was in
your school that had never seen anybody, well, had seen
somebody that looked like you, but had been around people
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that looked just like her her entire life and then
had to adjust to you. What did you learn from
somebody like that? And what did you teach her? Really?
Speaker 6 (38:44):
Pretty much, I taught her that I wasn't scary, okay,
because I guess like a girl like with tattoos, like
never ever like really having a conversation with a white person.
It was like, oh, like I'm kind of scared, like
she I guess her immediate thought was, Oh, I'm racist,
but then she like found out like, oh, I'm not,
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and then we got along great and we just kind
of taught each other about our backgrounds and where we
came from, and we just kind of learned a lot
about each other in a sense. And like that, even
though I never experienced things that she went through, I
have a better picture on what she went through so
that I can take that information and take it anywhere,
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really like being more mindful of how you're talking and
reacting to people in different certain situations.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
So what do y'all, I mean, what did the two
of y' all think about that? Because like from my standpoint,
when I when I hear that, I feel like one
of the worst things that we do in law enforcement
is we give a twenty one, twenty two year old
the ability to take freedom from people that have a
ton of life experience and put them in jail. How
do we get your generation open to having those conversations
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with others people? Do you all have any ideas or
thoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I mean, I think it really takes, uh, it takes
that person to be want to have an open mind,
because I know if there's so many like a lot
of my friends too, that they're just so closed minded,
like they they're they're they're told information that's cont that
contradicts their views, but they're already so closed minded that
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it just bounces off and they just don't me want
to hear it, they don't want to listen to it.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
So I think, I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I don't really have the answer, but it takes some
sort of effort to have an open mind and to
get people to be able to listen and they may
not agree with it, but just to kind of hear
about the other side.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Just slow down and listen to the other person because
they That's one of the things. I've been to a
lot of different schools, and I've had like really really
good instructors, and I've had ones that are not nearly
as good. But if I slow down and take a
take a breath and not look at all the things
that they're doing wrong, I learned stuff from each one
of them. And I think that's I think with age,
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that's what you learn is like everybody has something to
give to you if you're open to listen and just
be open to it. I just wonder how that works
in this technology age, because I do feel like we
have we're so divisive right now, but I think if
you sit down and have a conversation, we're not that
We're really not that far apart. I mean, I'm double
your age, but we have something in common. We really
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want to do something that makes things better, and so
like that's a starting point. But how do we get
to a starting point with your generation that gets your
news and those snippets, Like how do I mean, I
don't know how to get your I don't want to
say how to get your attention, but like, how do
we get your generations in engagement involvement? Y'all have so
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many good answers and so many things to bring to
the table. How do we get your generation open to
something different? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (41:59):
I would say that our generation has a very short
attention span. So that's why people gravitate more towards TikTok
and Instagram reels rather than YouTube anymore necessarily because it's like, oh,
it's a quick little snippet, easy to watch.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
I can just keep on scrolling.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
But most people are so close minded now because it's like, oh,
little short snippet, it's what I like.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
It's what I like, it's what I like.
Speaker 6 (42:24):
You're not ever getting the other perspective. And Jollie was right, like,
it does take a certain person to have an open
mind to want to experience that. And I think that,
especially in the law enforcement sense, kind of putting opportunities
out there for the younger officers, let's say, to really
get out there in the community and like hear what
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these people have to say. Definitely like more interaction with
different people than themselves, people different views, and really taking
to heart what people say to in a certain sense,
because obviously you don't want to take everything to hurt,
but you really want to take somebody else's perspective and
kind of think like, oh, how does that affect me,
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how does it affect them? And is there anything that
I can do to change how they're feeling about a
certain thing. Like let's say someone thinks poorly on some
issue with drugs or something, and it's like, oh, well, yeah.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
Drugs are bad. What are we going to do to
stop this?
Speaker 6 (43:31):
How can I change your perspective on thinking that, oh,
all of these people are bad rather than thinking, oh, well,
there are bad people, but some people want help to
get better and kind of making them think differently, like, okay,
so these people actually want help. How do we differentiate
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who wants help, who doesn't want help, and how to
help them at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Do you think it's just having a conversation with.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
Them starting a conversation.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I think the biggest thing that I look at is
in listening to what you're saying, is we need to
do My generation needs to do a better job as
acting as mentors to open your minds, but also embrace
who you are as a problem solfer and say, hey,
I can provide you some insight you know, as far
as I don't want to say how the world works,
but like, let me show you my failures and I
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learned from those fails. I think I trained dogs I
love I love that, and we trained. We trained a
failure and that's that's what we We put the dog
in a situation where they fail, and then we train
past it and when and so like, from my standpoint,
if we do a better job in my generation of
saying like, hey, you have a lot to bring to
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the table, Come show me what you know and let
me show you how I failed, I mean and be
be strong enough to go, Hey, I do fail. I fail.
I fail every day, but that doesn't change like the
core of who I am and and so like for
me with y'all is like I do feel like your
generation is such an untapped resource. You have so much
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to give. But I think we I feel like people
in my age group and the leadership that we have
sometimes we forget. We were like, oh, well there's a
warm body that I can put in a seat, and
they're going to affect law enforcement like this, and I
think they totally forget like how much how much experience?
So I have life experience, but you have experience on
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how to collect information, Like I could never do what
y'all did, So I'm sorry, go ahead tell me about
your stuff. I'm a little lower my chair.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
I think just coming from personal experience now that I've
graduated working in the corrections field, you just come across
all these people and just all these different stories and
a lot of some of the stories I've heard, like
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it makes me think if I were in that situation,
like what I've done the same thing that they would
have done. And I think just having that real real
life experience too has also opened up my mind a
lot because you know, at liberty, a lot of us,
not that this is a bad thing by any means,
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a lot of us think the same way. But then
when you got into the real world you find that
there's lots of different points of views and learning how
to I think one of the things that was a
learning curve was learning how to be respectful and still
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disagree with that person.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
So no, I agree, And I guess, like I really
would like to think of, you know, talk more about
how we do get your generation more engaged and solutions, because,
like I said, y'all have y'all, I feel like you
are a conduit to an untapped resource and we just
have to be I don't know, put up big boy
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pants on and say, hey, you can teach me. You
don't have the same life experiences that I have, but
is there any way for us to give you like
a taste of our life experiences and in turn, so
talk I think you talked about that before. Is just
like having people come to you and say, hey, here's
a project. Can you come up with an answer? Talk
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about that a little bit, Jillie.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, I think just having especially like I guess if
partnering with students and a law enforcement agency, just having
that law enforcement agency just coming to the students that
it could be, you know, something mundane, something that would
just take time off for that law enforcement agency so
that they can dedicate those resources in those times somewhere else.
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But that student can easily fill. They can easily do it.
And I know for me that's kind of what I've
been doing in my internship is it's something they can
totally do, but I'm able to fill a position that
doesn't take someone off the streets for them, and especially
at a law enforcement agency, a small law enforcement agency
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where every person they have matters and it's taking someone
off the street is going to hurt their shift. So
it's something super easy. I just do a lot of
reading and a lot of writing. But for me, it's
way that I can gain experience. I'm able to put
it onto my resume. And they've been able to kind
(48:40):
of pour their wisdom into me as well, and which
has been so much to me too. And if I
feel trusted by them, and so I feel more's loyal
to them, and I want to do a good job
at what I'm doing and I want to be the
best that I can.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
What do you think Abby, She's like, no, not me.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
Can you repeat the question?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
No, I'm just like for a real what is it?
Was it real fortune? Or what is that that that
they do that? Like, can you repeat the question? I
don't know, you know me, I forgot what the question was. No.
Speaker 6 (49:20):
I was just so like locked into what Julie was
saying that forgot.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
I mean, if I can circle back to what Jenna
said is I do think that we are teaching you
at Liberty and in other schools a very sterile book answer.
And I think that's what I'm hearing is like, we
give you the book answer, but are we giving you
like how to apply the knowledge that you have? Is
that what you're is that what you're saying is applied.
(49:46):
So I learned the book answer, but then I get
out in the real world and the book answer, the.
Speaker 7 (49:51):
Book answer isn't always the answer.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
It's not okay talk about that.
Speaker 5 (49:55):
There's so much gray area too.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, we'll talk about that. Like one of the things
I want people to hear from y'all is your generation
has a ton to give to us if we just
slow down and listen to you and like, here's your chance.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
I mean, it's good to know, I guess the book answers.
Speaker 7 (50:19):
It's good to have that information because it is helpful.
It gives us a basis for.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
You know, where we could start out in solving a problem.
But I think one thing that makes our generation unique
is just how creatively we think.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
And I mean, you.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
Could give us a problem and I could solve it
one way, but then Abby could solve it a completely
different way, and so could Jolly.
Speaker 7 (50:44):
Like we just I think we just think in creative.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Ways that not are not necessarily the book answers, but
we like kind of make our.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
But it's a solution it is. It's not just creativity,
it's the ability to do what I think is really
hard work is the research. Like we were talking about before, y'all.
I know, when I used to interview people, we would
spend a ton of time talking to people and it
would take us days to figure out who they were
talking about. But I take somebody from your generation. You're
(51:18):
able to look at their social media accounts and everything else,
and you're able to identify people really quick. And to me,
like that's a huge help. So I don't know, like
for me looking at y'all and looking at you as
the future of law enforcement, how do we keep you
out of like Okay, well this is the way we've
always done it. How do we in law enforcement embrace
(51:39):
who you are as individuals? You talk about creativity, like,
how do how do we do a better job of
saying Abby, this is what I would this is what
I need, Joe Lee, Jenna, like, what do we need
to do to get you engaged to solutions? And then
the harder question is how do we get your minds
(52:00):
opened up where you have been inundated with information from
people that think just like you.
Speaker 6 (52:06):
I would say, definitely opportunities, giving more opportunities, more freedom
to each task, but also saying, okay, well I know
about this way, find another way, like giving that okay,
so this is how we've always done it, but find
a different way, try something different, And like giving those
(52:28):
leading questions, I'd say, like giving us a kind of
direction in.
Speaker 5 (52:35):
Going and thinking outside of the box.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
So when we did the Intel project, we didn't give
you a whole lot of direction. We gave you kind
of like a guardrails either side of the road, and
we're like, get to where you need to go.
Speaker 6 (52:46):
We like taught ourselves pretty much how to do everything right,
because like.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
So you created your own way of collecting information, you
created your own way to validate information.
Speaker 6 (52:56):
Yeah, because you told us to do the like case
study things like for my group, we didn't actually do
that many of them because we didn't think that they
were really that beneficial for us, because we're like, well,
if we're putting this into a power point, it's like
a waste of time for us to put it all
in a separate document and all this and that, when
(53:16):
we could just put it all into a slideshow, have
different links here and there, Having like a actual just
open document itself. Just putting all the links and what
we find underneath them was a lot more easier, easier
to read, way less confusing, a lot more simpler, and
everyone can all work on it at the same time.
But you're also like, oh, so this person found this site.
(53:39):
What can I take from this site? But also what
information can I use to find something else on a
different site, So it's.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Not only collecting the information but leading to other information rather.
Speaker 6 (53:50):
Than having different people send in the case studies. And
then you're like, oh, well, I have all these different ones.
But it's just like words, words, words, words, words, rather
than oh, screenshot here, highlight something here, let's color code
like this is for drug trafficking, this color is for
human trafficking, this color is for how they relate together.
(54:12):
And it was just a lot easier that way rather
than each individual person sending me a different thing. But
we were all able to see what everyone else found,
so then we could use that to branch off.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
What do you think anybody else, I.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Just say, I just say, like making opportunities for students
to get engaged. I guess, yeah, I guess for them
to be a part of that organization. I also would
say just being open to change, because I know, especially
(54:51):
at what I've seen a lot of law enforcement is.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
They're kind of resistant to change.
Speaker 5 (54:59):
Actually a lot of them are very resistant.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
So I'm unique. But also I also have the tag
in the fact that says doesn't play well with others
may bite things like that.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yeah, so I think having and it really all starts
with leadership. You have to have that leadership being able
to be open to change, and then that's gonna trickle
down all the way down to the officers. So being
open to change and listening, I mean, even though some
(55:31):
twenty two year old is gonna have a suggestion. But
I think just listening to them acknowledging their idea, and
it could be a dumb idea, but just listening to
them making them feel I guess, listen to and then
maybe the next idea they'll have is a great one.
But I guess if they immediately just shut that that
(55:53):
twenty two year old down, that's gonna they're gonna carry.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
That for a while.
Speaker 5 (55:57):
After that.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
Yeah, I would say, I mean kind of going off, Julie,
just investing, taking the time to invest, because when at
least for me personally, when I feel like some like
the person who's come to me, when I feel like
they're just invested as I am, I'm more motivated to
(56:23):
want to do a good job, to want to excel
at whatever project is given to me. But yeah, I said,
listening to like it is. I think as a twenty
two year old coming to you know, a seasoned law
enforcement that has so many years of experience, can be
(56:43):
a little bit intimidating, and so just knowing that they're
open to our ideas, even though it may not be
the same way that they would have done it.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
What do you think and that was there was two
parts to that question that asked, remember my question this time,
So how do we open your mind? So you've told
y'all gone around the table, and you've told me how
we engage with you, But how do we get more
information to you to give you more of our life experiences?
Is it a conditional What I'm hearing is it's a
(57:18):
conditional offer if we listen. I'm just joking, by the way,
but it is kind of a conditional thing. Is that
if we engage with you and we listen to you,
you will take the time to sit down and instead
of that quick blurb, you might sit down and talk
to somebody like me for a period of time and go, well,
he's not really right. But he did have a point
(57:39):
about that.
Speaker 6 (57:40):
So it's like the effort, Like, if you're going to
put effort into me, then I'm going to put effort
back into you. Like if you're giving me the time
of day, you're listening to what I have to say,
and you're taking what I have to say into consideration,
or you're at least going to try my idea, then
that makes me want to work harder and give you
(58:00):
something more concrete. And it's like, oh, well, okay, so
maybe this didn't exactly work out how I wanted it,
but now this is what I'm going to do. But
it all takes a conversation at the end of the day,
and like if you're listening, if you were willing to,
(58:21):
then it'll go like Miles.
Speaker 1 (58:24):
Y'all shaking your head.
Speaker 5 (58:26):
So you agree, we all agree.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
So we're going to end it like this, as like
your chance going around the table. This is like your
mic drop moment. Go around the table. Tell us one
thing that nobody knows, not nobody knows, but something that
would be surprising based on your experience at Liberty in
this Intel project. One thing I'll go first. How about that?
(58:53):
So the first the thing that I felt found was
the most interesting is I had someone telling me like, oh,
you need to given more direction, you need to do this,
you need to do this, you need to do this.
And it wasn't that I was being lazy. It was
just me saying, like, I just want to see how
they arrive at the destination. I'm going to just give
them a topic, a topic that I think is very
relevant to what we're doing right now, and I want
(59:15):
to see how they get there, and so like that
was my thing with Liberty and y'all like y'all shot it,
shot it way past what I thought you'd get to.
So and I don't mean that in a bad way,
but I feel like the product that y'all produced, and
I am very proud of what y'all accomplished. I feel
like all of y'all invested a lot of time and
effort and came out with the finished product that should
(59:38):
have been more than just like, oh, it should have
been like, holy shit, this is amazing, and well edit
that one outen for the Liberty Crown, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (59:49):
I think yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
I think for me, it was the opportunities that came afterwards,
Like I had. There's another I guess research group very
similar to the I Get the Intel group that we
did with the school government, kind of more on the
policy side. But I think it was the day or
two after we had given that presentation a professor called
(01:00:12):
me and he said, hey, I want you to be
part of this group. So I was able to do
that group for two more semesters and we were able
to work with the FBI, and just this last semester
we gave that presentation with for the FBI. We also
gave it to the Virginia Secretary of Homeland Security and
(01:00:35):
Public Safety. So it was just it was like it
was really cool just to see how that opportunity. I
don't know, it didn't really feel, you know, like this
big opportunity at first, but just how it opened the
doors for me into other opportunities.
Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
It really opened my mind to thinking a different way
and funding information differently, and like it's actually, like the
most interesting thing that I found throughout all of this
is that even though the porn industry is a ninety
seven billion dollar industry, that eighty nine percent of pornography
actually comes from the United States, and fifty five percent
(01:01:17):
of that is children. So it's like you're finding out
all this stuff and you're like, wow, this is something
very very interesting, and you're like, oh, well, now we
can see that pornography actually is a link to human trafficking,
and there's so much of it happening in America that
now my wheels are turning and I'm like, Okay, well,
(01:01:40):
how can you put concrete evidence into how these relate
and how can you put a stop to it here
in the United States. So it's like now I'm looking
for different opportunities to actually take that information run with
it so we can actually help lower these rates and
lower the human trafficking rate in America.
Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
I like it, yeah, I said.
Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
For me, I think so learning about fentanyl and just
seeing how prevalent it is right now, especially at work,
just seeing how many people are coming in from through
smoking something that's been mixed with fentanyl or just straight fentanyl.
(01:02:27):
That's just blown my mind of how big of a
problem it's becoming right now.
Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
All Right, Well, like I said, I really appreciate y'all
coming in. Like I said, I'm I don't feel like
I'm biased. I just feel like I am more open
to what y'all had to give. And I just hope
people on my side do a better job of opening
their eyes and saying like, hey, these kids have a
lot to give, let's tap into this resource.
Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Ah No,
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