August 29, 2025 • 60 mins
In this episode, Juette interviews Seth, a Texas detective specializing in child exploitation cases. Seth shares insights from nearly a decade in law enforcement, highlighting the dangers children face online, especially on apps like Discord, Roblox, and Snapchat. He emphasizes the importance of parental controls, education, and open communication to prevent abuse. Seth discusses real cases, the challenges of online predator investigations, and the urgent need for schools and parents to proactively educate children about internet safety. The conversation underscores the collective responsibility to protect kids in an increasingly digital world.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm happy to have Seth also knows the Texas Detective.
He has his own TikTok channel. I've watched a lot
of his videos, and if you're a parent of children,
you need to pay attention to what he's doing. We
had the Safe Surfing Foundation and they talk about some
of the programs that they have to prevent stuff. And
(00:30):
this dude is out here investigating these things day in
and day out and has made this his mission. And
I'm really really happy to have them on the show. Seth,
introduce yourself and just kind of tell us how you
ended up. Well, I guess you wanted, well tell us
your story, man, I'd love to so.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah. So I'm Seth.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I am, if my name doesn't give it away, a
detective in Texas.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I've been in law enforcement for just under ten years.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I grew up in Oklahoma, and I don't really go
back there much anymore, but I like to say that
Texas is my birth state.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Anyways.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I love the I love the state, but kind of
just got into law enforcements at a fairly young age
twenty two, and from there it just kind of, you know,
did the basic patrol work and getting into foot pursuits
and all the fun things. And I worked a couple
of cases where it involved children, and those kind of
(01:31):
cases they stick with you and you kind of just
want to see them through and maybe do a little
more besides just the preliminary report. You want to investigate
a little further, but that always gets pushed off to detectives.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So I had.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
The urge to get into a detective position, and whenever
I did that, I went to a few trainings regarding
different different things for children, like child abuse and unexplained
children or child death and homicides of children and stuff
like that. And my supervisors in my police department actually
(02:06):
approached me and said, hey, we know you've gone to
these trainings. Would you be interested in taking these cases over?
I said, absolutely, and here we are.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
That was I've been.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I've been working these cases for a little over two
years now.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
So so as far as these cases are concerned, is
there anything that you're seeing in them that there's a
common thread in them that you're seeing that like parents
need to be aware of.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, what I preach the most is online safety for kids.
There's there's a there's a number out there. I believe
it's at any given time, five hundred thousand online predators
are active at any given time. I don't know who's
out there counting every one of these online predators, but
that's a crazy that's a crazy number. And so whenever
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people give their kids devices, iPads or whatever and they
don't use them responsibly, they're or they're not taught to
use them responsibly, that's how we get kids who become
victims and they get exploited through different different apps.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
As long as it's on the internet, you can be
exploited pretty.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Much, right, And so that's what I see the most
of is exploitation of children ranging from under the age
of ten to high school age kids, you know. So
that's that's probably the biggest biggest thing that I see.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Okay, so on cases like that, is there any are
there any cases that stand out in your mind that
you're like, man, this this was or is it all
of them that you look at and go, this is preventable.
It didn't have to happen like this.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yes, So, so having kids, every parent kind of ask
themselves at what age should I give my kid a
phone or an iPad or whatever. One case that specifically
sticks out to me was one of the cases I've
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worked of a kid that was under the age of
ten that had pretty much just unrestricted access to her iPad.
So she's using an app, you know, communicating with who
she thinks her kids. Turns out it's not a kid,
it's an almost forty year old man, and he ends
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up instructing her to how to create a snapchat.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
So they leave the app, they go over to.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Snapchat, and he's like, well, you know, since we're friends now,
i'd like to know who I'm talking to. So she
sends pictures of herself just smiling, you know, happy little kid.
But as we all know, that progresses and it gets
to a point of if you want me to send
you money for this on the app, you know, like
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we'll take roadblocks.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
For example, like they have roebucks.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Sometimes people they'll offer these kids, hey, well, I'll give
you roebucks if you give me a picture of yourself.
And as soon as the kids sends a picture of
themselves because they want to buy the new skins in
the game, that person will keep saying send me this,
or I'm going to do this, send me this, or
I'm going to do this. And this kid she's under
the age of ten, and you've got a forty year
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old man out here exploiting her. She doesn't know what
to believe or what he's gonna do, so he starts
threatening her family.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
All these different things that could have been prevented.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And you know not, I'm not gonna put shame on
those families or anything that do that, because most of
them are they're not aware of what happens online, right,
But it's preventable. If parents can become educated and use
resources to know what their kids can be exposed to,
it's gonna make it a lot harder for these predators
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to get ahold of kids.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So my simple mind works like if I took my
kids to a playground and there's this huge dude shoving them,
shoving kids down a slide, and I know at the
end they might have a really good time going down
that slide, but when they land, it's going to be
really bad. I'm not going to send them on that playground,
but we're going to give them a device that gives them,
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That gives someone that has the ability to manipulate your child.
I don't understand it. I really don't.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, and even further, just give them unrestricted access where
there's no parental controls to where they can do whatever
they want on there, and whoever wants to do something
that them can do it. And a lot of that
is used by threats, and kids are unfortunately, unfortunately easily manipulated, right,
And so you use somebody who's done this to hundreds
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of kids and then you get this kid who's been
exposed to this for this first time.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
It makes it an easy target for them.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So what I know, I watched one of your one
of your reels, I guess is what they're called again
the donkey. So I watched one of them, and it's
you had three different apps that you think are problematic,
that are that are pretty prevalent. Just list those for parents,
(07:21):
because I really, if we step on somebody's toes today,
that's okay because like from my standpoint, kids are worth
that and absolutely so go ahead.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Uh that video you're referencing was the three most dangerous
apps to kids that I could that I personally, that's
just my opinion these are the three.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
But that's your opinion, is not just like out of
the out of the blue, you as a professional who
investigates kids being uh, being manipulated. You know this for
a fact.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yes, yeah, And it's backed up by seeing the worts
over and over and over and over every month I
see these specific ones. So number three I had with
Discord okay, and then I had Roadblocks and then Snapchat.
In both of those, you know, Discord you can create
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chats to uh talk with groups in and share images
and videos and whatnot back and forth, and so a
lot of that.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
A lot of the times that I.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Get tip off of that is for like online enticement
where they're trying to solicit a kid to do something,
or they're even sending child sex abuse material over over
their chats. So that's typically Discord roadblocks. I see a
lot of online enticement. You know, they're chatting, their chatting
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and chatting, and then they get their ages and from
there they will take their conversation. They'll like, hey, you
know it's kind of hard to talk here on roadblock.
What if we use a different a different app to communicate? Okay,
what's that app going to be? Snapchat? Because what these
predators want to do is they want to be able
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to take that chat from somewhere that their parents can
go back and monitor what their kids talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
They want to take it somewhere.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Where it is harder to keep track of because you
know Snapchat, if you send pictures, that picture to the
parents is not able to be seen again unless the
kid takes a screenshot.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Of it or something like that.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
That picture's gone ween law enforcement can recover that photo
for a period of time, but it just makes it
harder for parents because they don't know what.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
The kids are doing.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
But that's why I had Snapchat listed as my number one,
because that's where the majority of these end up going to,
because it's a fairly discreet way of communicating with kids,
and the parents don't even know that their kids kid
has Snapchat.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So what I'm hearing is you as a parent can
have the best intent and you can say, hey, I
want I'm gonna have these controls, and but as much
time as you spend thinking like, hey, I am going
to give them access to roadblocks, I mean, because I mean,
(10:21):
that's a pretty cool game. Everybody likes playing it and
everything else, and everybody at the school is doing it
and everything else. Talk a little bit about again, these
predators know where these kids hang out, and you can't
have like this blind eye to if there's a spot
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where a bunch of kids congregate, predators are going to
go there and they're going to find ways to transition
them and make them more vulnerable. Talk about that.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, well, it's just like you hear predators going to playgrounds.
Why do they go to playgrounds because they can go
get pictures of kids doing innocent things and they can
turn it into whatever they want to turn it into.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It's the same thing being online. They're not going to
go and just chat.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
They do, but if they're wanting to get a hold
of a kid or talk to a kid, they're not
going to go talk to a bunch of adults. They're
going to go where they know young teens are playing,
typically around twelve to thirteen years of age, I believe
is the most targeted age.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But they're going to go on roadblocks. They're going to
get on.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Just different different ways or different applications or gaming formats
to try and talk to these kids.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
You know, it even.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Happens on online gaming with like PlayStation's xboxes, because.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
You can talk to a whole host of people on there.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
But I think what I see a lot of is
parents are afraid to tell their kids know they can't
have roadblocks, because the kids want to be able to
communicate with their friends in school and be able to
go to school the nex day and be like, hey,
that was fun playing one of these fifty thousand games
that's on Roadblocks.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
We had a great time. And I grew up where
I played.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Xbox all the time with my friends online, and we
would go to school and we talk about the fune
we had. But what I tell parents, and what I
tell my own kid is if you don't know what
you're getting into, I don't want you.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I don't want to send you into that. I'm prepared.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
And so yeah, my kid, she doesn't, she can't play Roadblocks.
She's not happy about it, but she understands because I
explained to her the dangers and why there's a reason
behind everything I do, and she understands that. Whether she
agrees with it or not, she knows she's not going
to play it. All of her friends play it. I've
talked to her friends' parents and told them this is
what I see, and it's constant. Just look at news articles.
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They're getting sued all the time and people that they
choose to I don't know if they just want to
ignore it or they just want to act like it
doesn't exist. I don't know, but it's dangerous and just
having that discussion with your kid and telling them we're
not we're not going to do that right now.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
When you get old, if you make your own decisions,
you can play if you want.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
So for parents that, let's walk through a couple of
different types of parents. Parents that their kids are just
starting to get to the age where they feel like
they can go online, have a device to communicate and
everything else. Talk about that a little bit about like
how do you prepare that parent for that technology going
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into that child's hand, Like how do you come up
with a plan of action to prevent them from being
a victim online?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
So one thing I preach is parnal controls. Okay, because
there's various forms of that. Some people just use the
printal controls that are installed on the device, and then
some people they'll go get a phone specifically that has
uh has printal controls. Like I'm not sure if you've
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seen the video or not, but like we use we
use the Bark phone. It's actually been great. It was
referred to me by another detective I work with so
I was like, all right, if he trusts it, I
trust it. And that's actually what I recommend to people
because after using it, I see my kiddo, she can't
text people. And this is the only phone she's ever had.
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She can't text people unless I approve it. So that's
one thing for parents who are giving phones to kids,
making sure that they're ready for their kids to try
and download whatever is cool in school, and being able
to monitor what they're using.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
And you know, take your kid's phone if you need to.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Every night, whatever, once a week, whatever you want to
do as a parent, and go through the phone, see
what apps they're using, see if they have see if
they have little.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Ways of hiding the apps.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Like you know, there's some screens where you have to
double tap two or three times and then the apps
will pop up.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And uh, just trying to stay educated on those things
for parents.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Because the kids they're smart, they're they've grown up with technology.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
They're gonna be a lot better with technology than we
will ever be.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So what kind of what kind of resources are out
there for parents to like get ahead of it. So
like the bar so you're saying, like for a parent,
that's just ready to give their child a phone, go
with the bar Gap correct or Bark phone.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, that's that's personally what I use.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I know there's others that people use, but I don't
personally have experience.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
With those, but but I know what's worked for us,
and it is the.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Bark phone, and that's that's what you would recommend starting off.
But if you're but how do we educate parents and
how to parents educate themselves on what is out there?
Technology wise?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Number one?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
But number two to monitor what they're doing, your children
are doing, Like, yeah, because kids, I feel like kids have,
like you said, they can navigate something so much quicker
than we can. And for a parent to try to
catch up, what's the best way for them to like
catch up?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Well, I would say watching my tiktoks for one. But yeah, so,
but aside from that, the National Center for Missing Exploited
Children have tons of things like videos, educational videos, powerpoints,
all this stuff that talk about being safe online for families.
There's there's videos for kids, there's videos for teens, there's
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videos for adults. But then there's also like the FBI
they have you can go to their page and look
at their resources and stuff, and they have a lot
of they have a lot of like little kind of
like digital handbooks stuff you can kind of scroll through
and read through about online safety for your kids and
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kind of what the most current apps are or even honestly,
we all have access to chat GPT. You can type
in what should I be looking for in my kid's
phone or what signs show to look for that my
kid is having an issue maybe being exploited it online
through a phone or whatever, and it'll give you steps,
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it'll tell you look for these apps. These are the
most sought after apps by child predators at the moment.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So you've got all kinds of information on the palm
of your hands if you just take to it and
you want to take time and you want to educate yourself,
I personally think that's the best way.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So I think what you're doing is amazing. And so
just talk about what you do with TikTok and how
that has been beneficial for parents but also for children.
Just talk about because I feel like that's your mission.
I mean, I feel like you have a job, and
your job is to go after these child predators. But
I feel like you're being proactive in your own community
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by making these types of videos.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
The way that I feel like it's beneficial toward parents,
even people who aren't parents yet they watch the videos.
I get tons of fee back, and it's from people who,
like I said, don't have kids yet, people who have
several kids. But I get a lot of feedback of
you know, I never thought about this or I never
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thought about it this this way. I even have people
reach out to me that were victims of abuse as
a kid and they will send me topped out letters
of explaining what happened to them and how they didn't
feel like they had a voice, and then a way that.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
It benefits kids.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I've had several parents reach out to me and tell
me that because of my videos, they decided to look
through their kids phone and I just have one, I
think two days ago tell me that they were not
aware that roadblocks was what it was, so they looked
on their kids phone and they had to contact the
police because their kid was being exploited or trying to
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be exploited. Solicited, I would say, But then they say
that they sit down and they'll have those discussions with
their kids because they've not they've not done that before
and then they see because some of these people they
may know me from my job, they may see me
around and then they'll coment on a video and say, hey,
I know where you work and I've seen the stuff
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you post, and hearing that it's this local, it really
hits home and it makes me want to talk to
my kids. So the biggest thing I'm trying to do
is educate. But also I'm not dumb. I know that
there's child predators that watch my videos, and to me,
I hope that they watch my videos and they just
get furious with what I'm talking about, and I hope
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that they understand that they're not slick. It just takes
a matter of time before everybody gets educated on how
they do it.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
So it's just removing from your standpoint, it's prevention, but
it's also for some of the predators putting them on
notice sake. We're we're not going to lose this war
with our children. We're gonna win it. And the way
we're gonna win it is educating them. And because of
the way that you put the information out there on
TikTok to entertain but also educate, that's you're fast tracking it. Yeah,
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one of the things that I one of the videes
that I watched that I really really liked and just
talk about making it what it made. And I think
it's not just on child prayers, but you know, victims
of sexual assault is believing. You know that you will
be believed, Like come forward and talk and you know
you will be believed. Just kind of talk about what
led you to that point and just what your thought
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process is when you make a video like that.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
So with something like that, I go back to some
of the cases I've worked and a lot of hesitation
from victims to want to pursue charges further because they're
afraid that somebody along the lines won't believe what happened
and it's going to be like a he said this,
she said this, And I think they are in fear
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of something like maybe them not getting justice for what
happened to them, and then people holding it against them,
saying that they were liars and all these different things.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And I always tell them that's not the case.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
If nobody wants to listen, keep talking, keep pushing until
somebody listens, right, Because to me, I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Imagine I was never abused like that as a kid.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
But I couldn't imagine having my innocence taken and then
trying to hold all that in and not tell somebody
knowing that my childhood was that somebody tried to take
my childhood, somebody tried to ruin my future, and then
trying to hold that all to myself.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
It's a lot. That's a lot of weight to carry.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And also I had a family member, or not a
family member, a follower who said they have a family
member that.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Kind of held it in for a while, and.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
She just wanted me to make sure that I expressed
how important it is to get that out there to
these people, to let them know that they will be listened.
And a sad note to that is to the parents
if their kid says something, listen to what they're saying.
They may not straight up tell you so and so
did this to me, but they may say, you know,
I don't want to go see my grandpa anymore because
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he gives me hugs and I just don't like it.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
And it could sound simple and easy and just like that.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
And I've had parents who just brushed it off and
never thought of anything, and then years later come in
and they say we found out why you're like, okay,
and this is exactly what happened because and it wasn't nothing,
no fault to the parents, They just they didn't dig
any further into it. But there's usually a reason why
kids decide they don't want to go see anybody anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Well, I mean, it's interesting you say that. My wife's
a prosecutor and that's one of the things that she
dealt with recently, is and she she put that out there,
and she had an expert come in there. And people
lie for for two reasons, is what the expert said.
One is to protect themselves and the other is I'm
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trying to think of how she said. One is the
is the lie to get something. That is one reason
they lie, and the other one is something to the
effect of they lie to help to make themselves look better.
In a victim of a sexual assault, especially a child,
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both of those boxes are not checked because it doesn't
benefit them because it usually is a family member or
somebody inside their circle of trust that has done it
to them, and so they it is a lose And
I wish I could remember the exact words. I wish
you was here. But basically, if a kid tells you something,
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it's probably true because they have no reason to lie.
There's no benefit for them saying this family member did
this to me, or someone in my circle of trust
has done this to me. There is absolutely I can't
and maybe you can educate me. Is there any situations
you think the kid is going to be dishonest about
a sexual assault or being exploited where it benefits them
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to lie.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
No, I've not.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I've not worked one, Like, especially if they're they're younger kids.
They shouldn't know what any of that stuff means anyways,
all right, to be able to fabricate a lie of
that extent and say so and so did this to me.
That's typically not the case. And anytime that I've had
a younger child make an outcry, there's been some truth
to it.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You now, maybe they don't recall every little detail, but
what they do recall is it's true.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah. I think about a case that I worked, and
I think, like, with what you're doing, there has to
be a lot of satisfaction at the end of it,
you know, realizing that these that you are making a
difference like you are. But a case that I worked
is there was a comment made at the end of
the act and there was no evidence other than that
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child's testimony. And that's what we went on, is we
went on, there is no way a child could come
up with that kind of a statement and be that
And it wasn't like any bad words. It was just
a vile statement from an adult to a child that
something to the effect of I was glad, I'm glad
I was the one that brought you into womanhood. That
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is not a child statement. And I mean, it's sickening
to think about that. There are people out there that are, like,
you know, terrorizing our kids and basically hunting them for
their own satisfaction. It just it's got to be tough
to deal with that day in and day out. But
I guess there is some relief for it by being
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able to go on and make these TikTok videos and
you have that positive feedback where people are like, are
actually listening and you're getting you know, you're getting the
message out there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Absolutely, And that's so whenever I started making the tiktoks,
I'd even told my wife my goal before I even
made tiktoks.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Let's go back a little bit, okay, I always.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Told life if I ever had any time of platform
where I could reach people. Obviously I'm not gifted enough
to play a professional sport, right, but if I had
a platform to where I could reach people, what I
would want to tell them is what these kids have
to go through that whenever they wake up on their birthday,
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it's not a special day to them, And when they
wake up on Christmas, it's not a special day to
them because they get abused physically, sexually, emotionally, all these
different things. And not that I want people to wake
up and think about that every day and just be depressed,
but think about it and don't let it slip your mind,
because what we try to ignore as adults who are
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disgusted by the thought of somebody doing that to a kid,
there's toddlers, there's infants, there's toddlers, there's young teens.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
There's kids all over the world that live that.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
And while it makes us upset at our stomachs, like
I feel sick about it, can you imagine how the
kid feels repeatedly being abused And it drives me insane.
And so that was kind of the that was kind
of the motivation to start the tiktoks, and some of
my earlier tiktoks were just kind of just random to
try and build followers. And I think whenever I hit
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around the twenty thousand mark is whenever I really started
talking about it, because I felt like I had enough
followers that somebody's gonna see it and it will still
push it. Whereas if I started talking about this stuff
with five or ten followers, I felt like the algorithm
would probably shut me down because nobody wants.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
To hear that stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
But now it's going pretty quick, and I'm thankful for
that because I can do what I wanted to do,
and I only planned to grow from here.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
No, I think it's great what you're doing. I think
one of the things and I'm gonna throw something out
to you that we dealt with with safe surfing that
I want you to comment on, and if I would say,
you're going to be about as disgusted with it as
I am. About COVID and what the school systems did.
You can judge them one way or the other as
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far as that's concerned, but we got we pretty much
gave them access to the internet. These kids, every single
kid from K through twelve have a government issued computer
and ability to get online with and we're issuing them
to people who their parents may or may not be involved.
So this same school systems that we have that seem
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to have all kinds of other agenda items. Safe surfing
is in West Virginia and basically they have a program
that is free that they have older students. It's called
it's called cybrus Watt and basically, these older students create
a curriculum to educate their grade down on how to
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safely navigate the Internet. And do you want to guess
how many school systems in Virginia have it?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
None?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, and nobody wants to do it. It's one hundred
percent free. You're fine to give a kid a computer
and hope it works out. You're fining to dictate all
these different things. But why in the world, if we
have something that is free, that doesn't cost anything other
than a little bit of effort, why would you not
use it to impact these kids and prevent them from
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being victims.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I wish I had a great answer, but I don't.
And then these schools they wonder why their kids are
depressed and committing suicide because stuff that they don't prepare
them for happens to them, and they feel like their
life is over right. But as much as it's a
parent's responsibility, it's also a school's responsibility.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
The school teaches, but they don't teach that. And I
don't know why.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
But is it that they don't believe that it's happened,
or are they just like parents that they want to
turn a blind eye to it, that it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I think it's that. I think they want to act
like it doesn't happen. I think they know what happens.
You know, it happens in every school. I can't think
of a school, even the smallest of schools. I can
probably go talk to some administration and they'll tell me, yeah,
we've heard of those cases and we've had a couple
in our school.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
What are you doing to prevent it? Yeah, nobody's doing it.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I think. I don't know. When I think about the
school systems and things like that is extremely frustrating that,
like I said, I feel like we're running into a
We already have the we already have the information that
shows that this is this is a problem. But because
it's a little bit uncomfortable that parents won't talk to
their kids. The schools don't want to make the time.
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I guess I don't know. I mean I think about
universities and I think about I'll say this outright, I mean,
you know, you have large universities that have Title nine
programs because we've ignored sexual assault on campuses for so
damn long and now we're paying a heavy price. Is
that what's going to happen with this? Because like from
my standpoint, I don't know anything else that's going to
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rock them into reality because they whether they want to
say it or not, they've given them a tool that
is going to turn them into a victim.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Anytime they have access to the internet and nobody's taught
them how to use it safely, there's a I would
say almost one hundred percent chance that somebody online will
solicit them. But as much as giving them that computer
and then not training them how to use it appropriately.
How many of these schools do you think are implementing
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programs for people to come in and talk to their
their staff about inappropriate relationships with kids. Probably not a
whole lot, because and you hear about it all that
tiver happens.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
You know what happens, what do you what are you
going to do to prevent it?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
And nobody these schools, I'm sure there are some out there,
but I haven't met one yet that's bringing people in
to talk to their staff.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
About where, yeah, like where the line is, how to
stay out of this situation. I mean, hell, they hire people,
They hire people, and that's the other thing is just
with the technology and everything else. I think we had
a parent, we had a parent or a teacher here
that got recently arrested and they had come from another
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school system starting in the school and somehow somebody published
the information and they found out like that he was
under investigation in another jurisdiction in Virginia for a sexual assault.
And so I just I think we always talk about, like, hey,
we're really worried about our kids, but I think at
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this point to some degree, and I'm just as guilty.
You know, it's easy as the parents to sit there
in point what other people are doing wrong. But like,
as a parent, I don't feel like I've done a
great job with my kids as far as educating on
what's out there, and so you know, and I think
that's just something that we have to do as parents
is just be honest with ourselves and say, yeah, it's
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very uncomfortable for me to say that this dude is
going to this this person is going to go and
and victimize you, and this is what it looks like
to be a victim. It's an uncomfortable conversation, but it's
not near as not near as uncomfortable as dealing with
the fallout after they're already a victim.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I've seen families completely fall apart after something like that,
and it's like, all right, you know, I don't want
to go have that discussion with my kids, but I
would way rather have an uncomfortable five or ten minute
conversation than having to deal with the trauma that is
caused by that for years and years, you know, because
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to me, my kids they have goals.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
One of them says she's gonna be a vet. She
wants to be a doctor, she wants to be a
police officer, she wants to do all these things. And
that's just a kid's mindset. But there's nothing to say
that she can't go on to be a doctor or
something that's going to benefit the world. But if something
happens to her and it can change the outcome of
her future because of me not wanting to have an
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awkward conversation.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I don't think I would ever forgive myself, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
So, So how do we I know you talked about
this earlier, about these kids waking up and on their
birthday and it's not a good day and just the
way that makes us feel. How do we how do
we transition that into action for people? I know you're
putting a lot of information out there, but like I
feel like it almost is one of those things where
you almost have to shake somebody into reality, and I
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don't I don't know what that looks like.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, trying to prevent kids who are already in those situations.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I think a lot of it's going to have to
come down to.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Public awareness, knowing what to look for for like abused
kids and like you know, toddlers that have bruising on
parts of their they shouldn't have bruising, and doctors and stuff,
Pediatricians they are all trained and knowing all those things.
But the general public, I think I think it is
a I think people are afraid to stand up as
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one person whenever they see somebody doing something wrong.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I'll give you an example, I have a case.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
That I'm not sure exactly what's happening, yet still trying
to get some information on it. But a reporting party
decided to not call the police and waited until this
man and this little girl were gone to report it
to the staff at this establishment of what was going on.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
But basically, the.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Reporting party overheard this man takes this little girl into
a bathroom and sounded like he was beating her. The
girls screaming, and then she comes out and she's got markings.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
All over her body, and they walk out and get
in a car.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Instead of stopping them out there, instead of calling on
one while it was going on, wait until they were gone,
and then still didn't call the police, instead told the establishment, Hey,
this is what happened, and then the establishment called us.
And that's where I think. You know, maybe it was nothing.
Maybe the kid was being dramatic because she was getting
her butt spanked or something. I'm not sure, but what
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if the kid was actually being beaten, and instead of
trying to stop it because whatever reason, maybe you were
uncomfortable in this situation, instead of stopping it, you not
let that little girl go home with the person who
was potentially beating her, and you don't know how far
it's going to go from there. You know, maybe there
was one time incident more than likely wasn't. Maybe went
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home beat her more. You know, you don't know, But
I feel like that's the public's perspective of things, is
they're afraid to stand up as one person to try
and correct something, but would rather be more comfortable in
a group.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
And I think that's just the truth.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
So how do you start a big enough group where
people will pay attention? Because I you know, like I said,
I I don't work the cases like you work. I
mean I'll that I'll every once in a while I'll
get a child exploitation case. But I think from working
them day in and day out, that has to wear
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on you at some point and has to I don't
want to call you a victim, but like, at what
point for you do you get so frustrated and they're
like what am I doing? Like I can't. I mean,
I think it has to help to do your you know,
do the TikTok, But like at what point do you
go like you just want to grab somebody and just
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like start shaking them and going like pay attention I
have way too much work, and you need to step
up as a parent, so I stop having that much work.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, well, it's always disheartening whenever you know, I make
a video talking about monitoring kids devices because that's a
preventive way of them being exploited.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
And then I have parents comment.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
And it's not very many of the parents, but there's
been some parents that comment and say, well, that's an
invasion of my kids privacy, and that drives me insane.
As long as my kids are living under my roof,
they're living under my rules. If I say I want
to look at their phone and I pay for that phone,
I'm going to look at it, whether they want me
to or not, because my goal as a parent is
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to protect them. And I feel like too many parents
are trying to be friends. And I think that's where
a lot of it comes from. Is that's where a
lot of my frustration comes from. Is when they don't
believe their kids, or they try and say, oh, that
probably didn't really happen and you maybe just dream that,
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or just being afraid to look at their kids stuff
because they don't want to offend their child. We can
only do so much if you're not willing to try
and protect your kid. You can't be mad at the
police whenever we are not able to solve the case
because whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
So here's here's like a wild card question. What video
did you make that you've got the most likes of
that you look at and go, that's you know, that's
really good. But that's not what I was trying to say.
And then like I saw one of your videos, You're like,
I don't think many people are going to pay attention
to this, but I'm going to say it anyway. So
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which ones are really hitting really good and which ones aren't?
Speaker 3 (39:30):
The ones?
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I think the ones that really hit good are the
ones that have more of a shock the families. Like
I did a video about not posting your kids pictures
online of them in bathing suits.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Uh wait a minute. The guacamole, right, yea, yep, got it?
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Uh was gua it was something like that.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
It was making avocado avocado.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, I was in the name. Uh I was.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I was thinking I nailed it and then I missed
it was right, it was the right vegetable there.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Hey, you even convinced me that you had it? Thanks,
all right, go ahead like that.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I never before working these cases, I never would have
thought that predators would find an innocent beach photo of
my family and use it for uh, their self gratification.
But every search warrant that I've gone on, you know,
I'm looking through devices that I find stuff on, and
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that with those like the child sex abuse material photos
videos mixed in there, I will find where family members
post pictures, you know, with their kid at the beach
in Florida or California wherever, and it's an innocent family
photo and they're all wearing their bathing suits, and it'll
be a group photo of the family. You can swap
over a few and then you're going to have a
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picture of a kid, a little kid in a bathing suit.
And tell me why a fifty five or sixty year
old man has a picture of a four or five
year old little girl in a bathing suit in.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
His phone where he also has.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Child sex abuse material, which I mean, I can't think
of a good reason.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
There is no good reason.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, we know the reason they have that.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
But people that tell me, they're like, well, I only
have close friends and family on there, and I can
look at their profile and they have one hundred and
fifty friends or two hundred friends.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I'm like, so, how well do you know those two
hundred people, because.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Not well enough to leave them for them to babysit
your kids. And that's basically what that's the same level
of trust.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, And these people that I talk to that are
married to their spouse and I go and tell them, yeah,
we're here to start your house, and this is what
we're looking for, and this is why we're looking for it.
I've had family members completely break down because you know,
they don't expect it.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
And these people are good at hiding it. They're good
at not letting their spouse know or their kids know
what they're into.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
And so if their own spouse don't know them well enough,
I guarantee you being friends with them on Facebook is
not scratching the surface.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
I've never thought about it. That is that makes I
don't think I'll have any bacon for a while because
of that. Thank you. I don't know, it's just it's
beyond me that I mean that. I don't know. I
don't get it. I don't get parents not being engaged.
So I feel like this might be a good transition.
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Talk a little bit about what you learned at the
latest iye CAAC meeting. You said that that the threat
of bullying and stuff like that which has caused the
death of some teens. Talk about that a little bit
and what parents can do to navigate that.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yeah, so just as much as.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
You will see these predators and stuff get online and
ask these kids for pictures of themselves, pretending to be
a fourteen year old girl, fifteen year old girl, whatever,
and they will get a picture of somebody's junk and
then they're like, hey, you know, actually I'm sixty years
old or I'm fifty years old, and I'm going to
send this out to all of your friends and family.
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If you don't pay me twenty or thirty bucks, good
chances they're going to send that out whether they get
their twenty or thirty bucks. Anyways, I've also seen that
same stuff happening with their own peers, where they'll pretend
to be somebody you know, and just to get a
picture of it so they can spread it around school
and bully these kids. And there's been several there's been
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several that and you can even find them in national
news headlines where kids took their own life, and it's
usually about I think what I learned in that ICAT
or in that CAAC conference was I think the average
time is about twenty to thirty from the time that
they get that first threat of their video or picture
being published that they actually will take their own life.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
And that's crazy to think. Even the very first day
of school in.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
The city that I work in, there was a kid
who went home and took her life because she was
sounds like she was being bullied, and like, that is
completely unacceptable. And my kids have been told over and
over and over and over, if I ever catch you
bullying somebody, that's gonna be about the last thing you
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ever want to do, because it's you're going to have
a hard punishment because we don't put up with it,
just like I'm not gonna put up with somebody bullying my.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Kid, right, Yeah, I mean that's it. I mean that
brings up another thing is that I'm plugging them a
little bit. But like safe Surfing, that is something that
they have, is they actually have some kind of AI.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
That a lot.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
It's an app that these kids can put on this
on the phone. So like what you just described, would
it would intercept that and say, hey, you need to
talk to the authorities, which to me is I don't
I don't know. I just for me, I just don't
know what we can do. I hear people talk about
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human trafficking. I talk it's whatever, the talking points of
the day, But I don't hear a whole lot of
people saying like, Hey, our kids are in danger, and
what are we doing to fix that?
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I think honestly a lot of people are just pretending
they're not in danger. They'll hear, they'll read it on Facebook,
and then that'll be it.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
They'll be shocked when they hear if someone I'm taking
their own life, but after a week or two, they'll
go back to doing whatever they were doing before and
hope that it doesn't happen to them until it does,
you know, And I hope that doesn't happen to anybody
that watches or listeners to this or.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Anybody out there. But it's real.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
You think that those families ever thought that the kid
would do something like that because they were bullied or
because they were exploited online.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
I guarantee you if.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
They knew that that would happen, then they probably would
have taken more of a measure to stop that.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Well, not just the danger of that, but just you know,
the bullying is one thing, but I just think there's
an imminent danger for our kids online just to I
can't remember, I think you would set a number of
in these gaming and it might have been the guy
from Safe Surfing Eddie, but he said that the predators
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in gaming that they I think out of one hundred
ninety some out of one hundred kids that are in
a gaming thing, that they will be approached by predator.
I think it's ninety it's either ninety or ninety some
percent chance that if they're in a gaming app that
they're going to be at least contacted by a predator,
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which is unreal.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yeah, and so doing like some undercover chats and stuff,
you know, posing as a as a little kid.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
It's unreal.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
How quick I can post a simple little status where
I know a lot of people get exploited. I can
go post a simple little status and within under a minute,
I can almost guarantee you I'll have twenty five to
fifty messages from men asking me, oh, well how old
are you?
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Where are you from?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
I mean even have people go as far as saying
would you like for me to bring you to and
from school.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
So they know. So you're so you're identifying as a
child when you put that message out there. And how
I mean age range we're talking about that you're putting
out there before these adults start contacting you. Yes, thirteen,
thirteen year old kid, you put just put a message
out there and you have the main people coming after you.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah, I'll post something, you know, regarding like high school
or summertime being over and having to go back to school,
and you know, I typically throw high school in there
so there's no confusion for college or something like that.
And they know what they're getting into at that point.
And some of them will start out by saying, hey,
what grade are you want? I'll say, well, I'm in eighth,
but I'm about to go to ninth or something like that,
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you know, And then I'll I'll say, well okay. Then
later I'll get on my age too, so they can't
say they didn't know, right.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
So, but it's crazy, It is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
So I feel like we keep circling around, at least
in my brain is just what I feel like you're
doing a lot, But like what else can people do?
And like what organizations can parents plug into to get
the information out there and to get their schools. Okay,
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if you don't want to invest the time in having
your kids, at least equip them. I mean a lot
of people don't train their kids on how to drive
a car properly. But there is a you know, a
driver's aad course at the school. Why aren't we doing
the same thing for kids as far as safety on
the internet, Because to me, it's just as catastrophic as
one of these kids it's victimized online.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yeah, So there are like certain police departments that will
go around, Like I know, Dallas Police Department has a
really good organization where they have.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Like public outreach where they.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Will go out to schools and they will talk to
schools the ones that are willing to have them. From
from what I understand Dallas ISD is they're very welcoming
to what Dallas PAD has to tell and so they'll
get out there and they'll talk about this with kids.
But that's one of the only districts that I've heard
of that really allows that to happen at least in
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the like the middle school to high school level. You know,
everybody's fine with cops coming out to talk to h
six or seven year olds because at that age they're
not really going to understand child exploitation, you know, and
most schools know that and they're like, oh, they're not
going to come in and talk about anything too harsh, right,
(50:14):
But we can start kind of planting that base there
of you know, here's some safe games that you can
play and give them resources like through Nickmick. Like I said,
the National Center for Missing Exploited Children. I think that
they do fantastic work.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
UH.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Support everything that they do because.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
I've used those resources in classes that I've put on
in TAP parents like about online safety, and you know,
you can play dramatic videos and stuff that'll stick with families.
But as far as why there's not a specific course
for online safety, I have no idea. Aside from if
a parent is wanting to be proactive and get to
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know what to do to prevent their care from being
a victim. Aside from them taking the initiative to reach out,
there's not really anything set in stone to uh to
prevent it.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
It seems like the two entities that are that should
be the most engaged with school age children, which are
the school system and the parents needed both of them
kind of checked out as far as responsibility for educating
these children.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Well, anything else you want to talk about, Uh, I
feel like you have done You've done an amazing job.
I mean, I think it's I think it's really easy
to get frustrated and think, you know, at some point
like I don't know why we're doing this, but I
think it has to be good to see people engaging,
like what you described earlier, where you had people saying like, hey,
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I had this conversation with my child and it prevented this,
or it prevented that, or we were this child was
in the beginning phase of you know, being groomed or
whatever online and you interrupted that cycle. And I just
I just wish we had a way to interrupt that cycle.
Because once you start that cycle where it ends two
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in three generations later is I mean, it's horrible for
the first generation, but it doesn't stop at that generation.
We're two or three generations into it at some point,
and I think, and that's without all the technology that
we had. I mean, the sex offenses that we're having
on children with families is two or three generations old,
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and that is that is a totally different environment that
they don't have access. I'd hate to think, with the
access to information like kids have these days, how fast
that is growing with the exploitation online.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah, yeah, And that's what I'm trying to tell people, Like,
the Internet's not just some big, bad monster. It's great
and you know, we can do things that people years
ago and never thought we could do. But it's just
like with anything, predators will get a hold of something
good and they will try and destroy it. But child
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exploitation has been going on, child sex offenses have been
going on since forever, you know, and it does make
it easier for them whenever they get into a chat
with kids, to be able to at least online exploit them.
But it all comes back to education and prevention. But
it's not because the Internet is an ugly or bad thing.
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We wouldn't have half the things we have we didn't
have the internet. But with everything, that's like I said,
everything is good. If somebody wants to do something bad
with it, they'll do something bad with it, right, you know.
People not to get off topic too far, but people
will blame guns for violence and murders and all these things.
But go back to Canaan Abele. You know, he's killed
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with the rock. So you know, if somebody has bad intentions,
they will that will use whatever is readily available to them.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
And so you're absolutely right. I just I mean, I
think of all the things that are negative that the
internet creates, and I just wish there are more people
like you that used it for a positive.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
Yeah, and there are there are places that you know.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
That these people, these predators, they will just go on
to sites and it's specifically all they're doing is trading
images and photos or videos and images of stuff. Those
things like that they shouldn't exist. And I see people
all the time like, well, why does the government not
stop it?
Speaker 3 (54:40):
Like how do you stop it? Right?
Speaker 2 (54:42):
Like we can go get a website shut down and
five to ten minutes later it's going to be back
up under a different URL. Right, And everybody assumes that,
you know, we can stop it because we're in the
United States, we can stop all of that from happening here.
It's not possible because this is happening. The majority of
the online cases that I get for like possession of
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child pornography stuff like that, most of those cases, those
kids in those videos are not from the United States.
It happens plenty here in the United States, but the
majority of the ones that I see are not from
the United States. So it's like, yeah, we can shut
down some sites here, but what are we gonna do
about all the end of the countries that they upload that,
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and then the dark Web transfers it over to our
people here in the United States.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
You know, Yeah, it's a big issue.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
So I'm gonna get I'm gonna get a list from
you to close out most important thing. As a parent
that listens to this, what are the most important things
they can do right now to keep their kids safe
and educate them on what's online.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
So if somebody were starting today, you know, I think
y'all are an hour ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
I'm ahead of me there, but here school is about to.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
Get out, So go pick your skit up, pick your
kid up from school, take them home, set them down,
have that conversation with them, tell them, Hey, I want
to talk about something. It's gonna be uncomfortable, but I
want you to know that I love you and I
do these things because I'm trying to protect you and
I want to know I want you to be honest
with me, and I want to have that open communication
from here on out, you know, because you're only going
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to be more tempted as you get older. Temptations is
gonna people are gonna be trying to tempt you to
do all these things. Have that discussion with them and
tell them, I am gonna check your phone. I want
to see what apps you're using. Familiarize these parents that
need to familiarize themselves with what apps are being used.
There's an app called Hush, Nothing good happens on there.
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These kids are on there. There's an app called Volcanto,
nothing good happens on there. Snapchat, Discord, roadblocks, all of
these things, Telegram, all of these things, if you kid
has them, good idea to look through them, especially Hush
and look into all those those are red flags. Shouldn't
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have them, Telegram, shouldn't have it. But have that discussion,
set them down, look through their phone and tell them
why you're doing it and the dangers of what they
could have access to. Right that, to me, I think
is the best baseline to start. After you have that discussion.
Watch some of the videos from Nick Mick, Watch some
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of the videos from the FBI, there's a the name
I would just slip my mind, but I think it's
Kids Smart, something like that Net Smarts or something.
Speaker 3 (57:39):
But it's it's through Nick Mick and.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
They got age appropriate videos for like I said, preschool
toddler or not toddler, a preschool to you know, all
through elementary, middle school, high school.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
Even on the parent level. For education, that's another thing,
I would say, educate yourself. Go watch these videos. Know
what you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
If you don't know what you're looking for, you're not
going to find something unless you just stumble across it.
But yeah, that's uh. I think that would be what
I would do in my first step.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
All right, as a parent, you you engage your kid.
There woking parents and woking elected officials. I'm thinking sheriffs
and police chiefs going to the school system and say, yes,
we definitely have a problem. I've got the reports to
show it. We need to come up with the program
to start educating these kids.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
Yes, I absolutely agree that needs to happen.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
I think there's plenty of data to support a you know,
I'll refer to it as a m d T and
multidisciplinary team between the schools, the police, Department of Sheriff's Office,
the CCS, all of these things need to get together
and they need to figure out a way to approach
the problem. And you know, I'm not going to go
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out of balance and say completely shut it down, because
it's going to take a long time and it's going
to take a lot of people to do that. But
suppress it, and maybe you can shut it down for
your area. You know, at the school the kids in
your school, educate them, and not just one time a year,
educate them, educating them throughout the year. Every other month,
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have some kind of something you can broadcast over the
smart boards or something. Just say hey, this this month,
we're going to cover this mhm. You know, And I
think that's the only way. There's there's no way to
stop it aside from education.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
Well, brother, I appreciate you coming on. It's been educational
for me, and I appreciate all the work that you've
done to keep kids safe. And like I said, thank
you for coming on, and keep up the good work.
If there's anything we can do, I think you're so
far ahead of us. We may catch up, but I
hope we don't, you know, because I feel like your
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stuff is so good. I hope we're chasing you for
your years to come, and I appreciate that. No, you're welcome,
sor thanks for your time, brother,
I'm happy to have Seth also knows the Texas Detective.
He has his own TikTok channel. I've watched a lot
of his videos, and if you're a parent of children,
you need to pay attention to what he's doing. We
had the Safe Surfing Foundation and they talk about some
of the programs that they have to prevent stuff. And
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this dude is out here investigating these things day in
and day out and has made this his mission. And
I'm really really happy to have them on the show. Seth,
introduce yourself and just kind of tell us how you
ended up. Well, I guess you wanted, well tell us
your story, man, I'd love to so.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah. So I'm Seth.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I am, if my name doesn't give it away, a
detective in Texas.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I've been in law enforcement for just under ten years.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I grew up in Oklahoma, and I don't really go
back there much anymore, but I like to say that
Texas is my birth state.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Anyways.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I love the I love the state, but kind of
just got into law enforcements at a fairly young age
twenty two, and from there it just kind of, you know,
did the basic patrol work and getting into foot pursuits
and all the fun things. And I worked a couple
of cases where it involved children, and those kind of
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cases they stick with you and you kind of just
want to see them through and maybe do a little
more besides just the preliminary report. You want to investigate
a little further, but that always gets pushed off to detectives.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So I had.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
The urge to get into a detective position, and whenever
I did that, I went to a few trainings regarding
different different things for children, like child abuse and unexplained
children or child death and homicides of children and stuff
like that. And my supervisors in my police department actually
(02:06):
approached me and said, hey, we know you've gone to
these trainings. Would you be interested in taking these cases over?
I said, absolutely, and here we are.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
That was I've been.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I've been working these cases for a little over two
years now.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
So so as far as these cases are concerned, is
there anything that you're seeing in them that there's a
common thread in them that you're seeing that like parents
need to be aware of.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, what I preach the most is online safety for kids.
There's there's a there's a number out there. I believe
it's at any given time, five hundred thousand online predators
are active at any given time. I don't know who's
out there counting every one of these online predators, but
that's a crazy that's a crazy number. And so whenever
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people give their kids devices, iPads or whatever and they
don't use them responsibly, they're or they're not taught to
use them responsibly, that's how we get kids who become
victims and they get exploited through different different apps.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
As long as it's on the internet, you can be
exploited pretty.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Much, right, And so that's what I see the most
of is exploitation of children ranging from under the age
of ten to high school age kids, you know. So
that's that's probably the biggest biggest thing that I see.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Okay, so on cases like that, is there any are
there any cases that stand out in your mind that
you're like, man, this this was or is it all
of them that you look at and go, this is preventable.
It didn't have to happen like this.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yes, So, so having kids, every parent kind of ask
themselves at what age should I give my kid a
phone or an iPad or whatever. One case that specifically
sticks out to me was one of the cases I've
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worked of a kid that was under the age of
ten that had pretty much just unrestricted access to her iPad.
So she's using an app, you know, communicating with who
she thinks her kids. Turns out it's not a kid,
it's an almost forty year old man, and he ends
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up instructing her to how to create a snapchat.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
So they leave the app, they go over to.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Snapchat, and he's like, well, you know, since we're friends now,
i'd like to know who I'm talking to. So she
sends pictures of herself just smiling, you know, happy little kid.
But as we all know, that progresses and it gets
to a point of if you want me to send
you money for this on the app, you know, like
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we'll take roadblocks.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
For example, like they have roebucks.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Sometimes people they'll offer these kids, hey, well, I'll give
you roebucks if you give me a picture of yourself.
And as soon as the kids sends a picture of
themselves because they want to buy the new skins in
the game, that person will keep saying send me this,
or I'm going to do this, send me this, or
I'm going to do this. And this kid she's under
the age of ten, and you've got a forty year
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old man out here exploiting her. She doesn't know what
to believe or what he's gonna do, so he starts
threatening her family.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
All these different things that could have been prevented.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And you know not, I'm not gonna put shame on
those families or anything that do that, because most of
them are they're not aware of what happens online, right,
But it's preventable. If parents can become educated and use
resources to know what their kids can be exposed to,
it's gonna make it a lot harder for these predators
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to get ahold of kids.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So my simple mind works like if I took my
kids to a playground and there's this huge dude shoving them,
shoving kids down a slide, and I know at the
end they might have a really good time going down
that slide, but when they land, it's going to be
really bad. I'm not going to send them on that playground,
but we're going to give them a device that gives them,
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That gives someone that has the ability to manipulate your child.
I don't understand it. I really don't.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, and even further, just give them unrestricted access where
there's no parental controls to where they can do whatever
they want on there, and whoever wants to do something
that them can do it. And a lot of that
is used by threats, and kids are unfortunately, unfortunately easily manipulated, right,
And so you use somebody who's done this to hundreds
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of kids and then you get this kid who's been
exposed to this for this first time.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
It makes it an easy target for them.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So what I know, I watched one of your one
of your reels, I guess is what they're called again
the donkey. So I watched one of them, and it's
you had three different apps that you think are problematic,
that are that are pretty prevalent. Just list those for parents,
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because I really, if we step on somebody's toes today,
that's okay because like from my standpoint, kids are worth
that and absolutely so go ahead.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Uh that video you're referencing was the three most dangerous
apps to kids that I could that I personally, that's
just my opinion these are the three.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
But that's your opinion, is not just like out of
the out of the blue, you as a professional who
investigates kids being uh, being manipulated. You know this for
a fact.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yes, yeah, And it's backed up by seeing the worts
over and over and over and over every month I
see these specific ones. So number three I had with
Discord okay, and then I had Roadblocks and then Snapchat.
In both of those, you know, Discord you can create
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chats to uh talk with groups in and share images
and videos and whatnot back and forth, and so a
lot of that.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
A lot of the times that I.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Get tip off of that is for like online enticement
where they're trying to solicit a kid to do something,
or they're even sending child sex abuse material over over
their chats. So that's typically Discord roadblocks. I see a
lot of online enticement. You know, they're chatting, their chatting
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and chatting, and then they get their ages and from
there they will take their conversation. They'll like, hey, you
know it's kind of hard to talk here on roadblock.
What if we use a different a different app to communicate? Okay,
what's that app going to be? Snapchat? Because what these
predators want to do is they want to be able
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to take that chat from somewhere that their parents can
go back and monitor what their kids talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
They want to take it somewhere.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Where it is harder to keep track of because you
know Snapchat, if you send pictures, that picture to the
parents is not able to be seen again unless the
kid takes a screenshot.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Of it or something like that.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
That picture's gone ween law enforcement can recover that photo
for a period of time, but it just makes it
harder for parents because they don't know what.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
The kids are doing.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
But that's why I had Snapchat listed as my number one,
because that's where the majority of these end up going to,
because it's a fairly discreet way of communicating with kids,
and the parents don't even know that their kids kid
has Snapchat.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So what I'm hearing is you as a parent can
have the best intent and you can say, hey, I
want I'm gonna have these controls, and but as much
time as you spend thinking like, hey, I am going
to give them access to roadblocks, I mean, because I mean,
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that's a pretty cool game. Everybody likes playing it and
everything else, and everybody at the school is doing it
and everything else. Talk a little bit about again, these
predators know where these kids hang out, and you can't
have like this blind eye to if there's a spot
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where a bunch of kids congregate, predators are going to
go there and they're going to find ways to transition
them and make them more vulnerable. Talk about that.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, well, it's just like you hear predators going to playgrounds.
Why do they go to playgrounds because they can go
get pictures of kids doing innocent things and they can
turn it into whatever they want to turn it into.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It's the same thing being online. They're not going to
go and just chat.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
They do, but if they're wanting to get a hold
of a kid or talk to a kid, they're not
going to go talk to a bunch of adults. They're
going to go where they know young teens are playing,
typically around twelve to thirteen years of age, I believe
is the most targeted age.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But they're going to go on roadblocks. They're going to
get on.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Just different different ways or different applications or gaming formats
to try and talk to these kids.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
You know, it even.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Happens on online gaming with like PlayStation's xboxes, because.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
You can talk to a whole host of people on there.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
But I think what I see a lot of is
parents are afraid to tell their kids know they can't
have roadblocks, because the kids want to be able to
communicate with their friends in school and be able to
go to school the nex day and be like, hey,
that was fun playing one of these fifty thousand games
that's on Roadblocks.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
We had a great time. And I grew up where
I played.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Xbox all the time with my friends online, and we
would go to school and we talk about the fune
we had. But what I tell parents, and what I
tell my own kid is if you don't know what
you're getting into, I don't want you.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I don't want to send you into that. I'm prepared.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
And so yeah, my kid, she doesn't, she can't play Roadblocks.
She's not happy about it, but she understands because I
explained to her the dangers and why there's a reason
behind everything I do, and she understands that. Whether she
agrees with it or not, she knows she's not going
to play it. All of her friends play it. I've
talked to her friends' parents and told them this is
what I see, and it's constant. Just look at news articles.
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They're getting sued all the time and people that they
choose to I don't know if they just want to
ignore it or they just want to act like it
doesn't exist. I don't know, but it's dangerous and just
having that discussion with your kid and telling them we're
not we're not going to do that right now.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
When you get old, if you make your own decisions,
you can play if you want.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
So for parents that, let's walk through a couple of
different types of parents. Parents that their kids are just
starting to get to the age where they feel like
they can go online, have a device to communicate and
everything else. Talk about that a little bit about like
how do you prepare that parent for that technology going
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into that child's hand, Like how do you come up
with a plan of action to prevent them from being
a victim online?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
So one thing I preach is parnal controls. Okay, because
there's various forms of that. Some people just use the
printal controls that are installed on the device, and then
some people they'll go get a phone specifically that has
uh has printal controls. Like I'm not sure if you've
(13:53):
seen the video or not, but like we use we
use the Bark phone. It's actually been great. It was
referred to me by another detective I work with so
I was like, all right, if he trusts it, I
trust it. And that's actually what I recommend to people
because after using it, I see my kiddo, she can't
text people. And this is the only phone she's ever had.
(14:15):
She can't text people unless I approve it. So that's
one thing for parents who are giving phones to kids,
making sure that they're ready for their kids to try
and download whatever is cool in school, and being able
to monitor what they're using.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
And you know, take your kid's phone if you need to.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Every night, whatever, once a week, whatever you want to
do as a parent, and go through the phone, see
what apps they're using, see if they have see if
they have little.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Ways of hiding the apps.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Like you know, there's some screens where you have to
double tap two or three times and then the apps
will pop up.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And uh, just trying to stay educated on those things
for parents.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Because the kids they're smart, they're they've grown up with technology.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
They're gonna be a lot better with technology than we
will ever be.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So what kind of what kind of resources are out
there for parents to like get ahead of it. So
like the bar so you're saying, like for a parent,
that's just ready to give their child a phone, go
with the bar Gap correct or Bark phone.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, that's that's personally what I use.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I know there's others that people use, but I don't
personally have experience.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
With those, but but I know what's worked for us,
and it is the.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Bark phone, and that's that's what you would recommend starting off.
But if you're but how do we educate parents and
how to parents educate themselves on what is out there?
Technology wise?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Number one?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
But number two to monitor what they're doing, your children
are doing, Like, yeah, because kids, I feel like kids have,
like you said, they can navigate something so much quicker
than we can. And for a parent to try to
catch up, what's the best way for them to like
catch up?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Well, I would say watching my tiktoks for one. But yeah, so,
but aside from that, the National Center for Missing Exploited
Children have tons of things like videos, educational videos, powerpoints,
all this stuff that talk about being safe online for families.
There's there's videos for kids, there's videos for teens, there's
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videos for adults. But then there's also like the FBI
they have you can go to their page and look
at their resources and stuff, and they have a lot
of they have a lot of like little kind of
like digital handbooks stuff you can kind of scroll through
and read through about online safety for your kids and
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kind of what the most current apps are or even honestly,
we all have access to chat GPT. You can type
in what should I be looking for in my kid's
phone or what signs show to look for that my
kid is having an issue maybe being exploited it online
through a phone or whatever, and it'll give you steps,
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it'll tell you look for these apps. These are the
most sought after apps by child predators at the moment.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So you've got all kinds of information on the palm
of your hands if you just take to it and
you want to take time and you want to educate yourself,
I personally think that's the best way.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So I think what you're doing is amazing. And so
just talk about what you do with TikTok and how
that has been beneficial for parents but also for children.
Just talk about because I feel like that's your mission.
I mean, I feel like you have a job, and
your job is to go after these child predators. But
I feel like you're being proactive in your own community
(17:45):
by making these types of videos.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
The way that I feel like it's beneficial toward parents,
even people who aren't parents yet they watch the videos.
I get tons of fee back, and it's from people who,
like I said, don't have kids yet, people who have
several kids. But I get a lot of feedback of
you know, I never thought about this or I never
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thought about it this this way. I even have people
reach out to me that were victims of abuse as
a kid and they will send me topped out letters
of explaining what happened to them and how they didn't
feel like they had a voice, and then a way that.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
It benefits kids.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I've had several parents reach out to me and tell
me that because of my videos, they decided to look
through their kids phone and I just have one, I
think two days ago tell me that they were not
aware that roadblocks was what it was, so they looked
on their kids phone and they had to contact the
police because their kid was being exploited or trying to
(18:50):
be exploited. Solicited, I would say, But then they say
that they sit down and they'll have those discussions with
their kids because they've not they've not done that before
and then they see because some of these people they
may know me from my job, they may see me
around and then they'll coment on a video and say, hey,
I know where you work and I've seen the stuff
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you post, and hearing that it's this local, it really
hits home and it makes me want to talk to
my kids. So the biggest thing I'm trying to do
is educate. But also I'm not dumb. I know that
there's child predators that watch my videos, and to me,
I hope that they watch my videos and they just
get furious with what I'm talking about, and I hope
(19:32):
that they understand that they're not slick. It just takes
a matter of time before everybody gets educated on how
they do it.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
So it's just removing from your standpoint, it's prevention, but
it's also for some of the predators putting them on
notice sake. We're we're not going to lose this war
with our children. We're gonna win it. And the way
we're gonna win it is educating them. And because of
the way that you put the information out there on
TikTok to entertain but also educate, that's you're fast tracking it. Yeah,
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one of the things that I one of the videes
that I watched that I really really liked and just
talk about making it what it made. And I think
it's not just on child prayers, but you know, victims
of sexual assault is believing. You know that you will
be believed, Like come forward and talk and you know
you will be believed. Just kind of talk about what
led you to that point and just what your thought
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process is when you make a video like that.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
So with something like that, I go back to some
of the cases I've worked and a lot of hesitation
from victims to want to pursue charges further because they're
afraid that somebody along the lines won't believe what happened
and it's going to be like a he said this,
she said this, And I think they are in fear
(20:49):
of something like maybe them not getting justice for what
happened to them, and then people holding it against them,
saying that they were liars and all these different things.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And I always tell them that's not the case.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
If nobody wants to listen, keep talking, keep pushing until
somebody listens, right, Because to me, I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Imagine I was never abused like that as a kid.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
But I couldn't imagine having my innocence taken and then
trying to hold all that in and not tell somebody
knowing that my childhood was that somebody tried to take
my childhood, somebody tried to ruin my future, and then
trying to hold that all to myself.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
It's a lot. That's a lot of weight to carry.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And also I had a family member, or not a
family member, a follower who said they have a family
member that.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Kind of held it in for a while, and.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
She just wanted me to make sure that I expressed
how important it is to get that out there to
these people, to let them know that they will be listened.
And a sad note to that is to the parents
if their kid says something, listen to what they're saying.
They may not straight up tell you so and so
did this to me, but they may say, you know,
I don't want to go see my grandpa anymore because
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he gives me hugs and I just don't like it.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
And it could sound simple and easy and just like that.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
And I've had parents who just brushed it off and
never thought of anything, and then years later come in
and they say we found out why you're like, okay,
and this is exactly what happened because and it wasn't nothing,
no fault to the parents, They just they didn't dig
any further into it. But there's usually a reason why
kids decide they don't want to go see anybody anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Well, I mean, it's interesting you say that. My wife's
a prosecutor and that's one of the things that she
dealt with recently, is and she she put that out there,
and she had an expert come in there. And people
lie for for two reasons, is what the expert said.
One is to protect themselves and the other is I'm
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trying to think of how she said. One is the
is the lie to get something. That is one reason
they lie, and the other one is something to the
effect of they lie to help to make themselves look better.
In a victim of a sexual assault, especially a child,
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both of those boxes are not checked because it doesn't
benefit them because it usually is a family member or
somebody inside their circle of trust that has done it
to them, and so they it is a lose And
I wish I could remember the exact words. I wish
you was here. But basically, if a kid tells you something,
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it's probably true because they have no reason to lie.
There's no benefit for them saying this family member did
this to me, or someone in my circle of trust
has done this to me. There is absolutely I can't
and maybe you can educate me. Is there any situations
you think the kid is going to be dishonest about
a sexual assault or being exploited where it benefits them
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to lie.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
No, I've not.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I've not worked one, Like, especially if they're they're younger kids.
They shouldn't know what any of that stuff means anyways,
all right, to be able to fabricate a lie of
that extent and say so and so did this to me.
That's typically not the case. And anytime that I've had
a younger child make an outcry, there's been some truth
to it.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You now, maybe they don't recall every little detail, but
what they do recall is it's true.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah. I think about a case that I worked, and
I think, like, with what you're doing, there has to
be a lot of satisfaction at the end of it,
you know, realizing that these that you are making a
difference like you are. But a case that I worked
is there was a comment made at the end of
the act and there was no evidence other than that
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child's testimony. And that's what we went on, is we
went on, there is no way a child could come
up with that kind of a statement and be that
And it wasn't like any bad words. It was just
a vile statement from an adult to a child that
something to the effect of I was glad, I'm glad
I was the one that brought you into womanhood. That
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is not a child statement. And I mean, it's sickening
to think about that. There are people out there that are, like,
you know, terrorizing our kids and basically hunting them for
their own satisfaction. It just it's got to be tough
to deal with that day in and day out. But
I guess there is some relief for it by being
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able to go on and make these TikTok videos and
you have that positive feedback where people are like, are
actually listening and you're getting you know, you're getting the
message out there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Absolutely, And that's so whenever I started making the tiktoks,
I'd even told my wife my goal before I even
made tiktoks.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Let's go back a little bit, okay, I always.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Told life if I ever had any time of platform
where I could reach people. Obviously I'm not gifted enough
to play a professional sport, right, but if I had
a platform to where I could reach people, what I
would want to tell them is what these kids have
to go through that whenever they wake up on their birthday,
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it's not a special day to them, And when they
wake up on Christmas, it's not a special day to
them because they get abused physically, sexually, emotionally, all these
different things. And not that I want people to wake
up and think about that every day and just be depressed,
but think about it and don't let it slip your mind,
because what we try to ignore as adults who are
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disgusted by the thought of somebody doing that to a kid,
there's toddlers, there's infants, there's toddlers, there's young teens.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
There's kids all over the world that live that.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
And while it makes us upset at our stomachs, like
I feel sick about it, can you imagine how the
kid feels repeatedly being abused And it drives me insane.
And so that was kind of the that was kind
of the motivation to start the tiktoks, and some of
my earlier tiktoks were just kind of just random to
try and build followers. And I think whenever I hit
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around the twenty thousand mark is whenever I really started
talking about it, because I felt like I had enough
followers that somebody's gonna see it and it will still
push it. Whereas if I started talking about this stuff
with five or ten followers, I felt like the algorithm
would probably shut me down because nobody wants.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
To hear that stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
But now it's going pretty quick, and I'm thankful for
that because I can do what I wanted to do,
and I only planned to grow from here.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
No, I think it's great what you're doing. I think
one of the things and I'm gonna throw something out
to you that we dealt with with safe surfing that
I want you to comment on, and if I would say,
you're going to be about as disgusted with it as
I am. About COVID and what the school systems did.
You can judge them one way or the other as
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far as that's concerned, but we got we pretty much
gave them access to the internet. These kids, every single
kid from K through twelve have a government issued computer
and ability to get online with and we're issuing them
to people who their parents may or may not be involved.
So this same school systems that we have that seem
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to have all kinds of other agenda items. Safe surfing
is in West Virginia and basically they have a program
that is free that they have older students. It's called
it's called cybrus Watt and basically, these older students create
a curriculum to educate their grade down on how to
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safely navigate the Internet. And do you want to guess
how many school systems in Virginia have it?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
None?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, and nobody wants to do it. It's one hundred
percent free. You're fine to give a kid a computer
and hope it works out. You're fining to dictate all
these different things. But why in the world, if we
have something that is free, that doesn't cost anything other
than a little bit of effort, why would you not
use it to impact these kids and prevent them from
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being victims.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I wish I had a great answer, but I don't.
And then these schools they wonder why their kids are
depressed and committing suicide because stuff that they don't prepare
them for happens to them, and they feel like their
life is over right. But as much as it's a
parent's responsibility, it's also a school's responsibility.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
The school teaches, but they don't teach that. And I
don't know why.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
But is it that they don't believe that it's happened,
or are they just like parents that they want to
turn a blind eye to it, that it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I think it's that. I think they want to act
like it doesn't happen. I think they know what happens.
You know, it happens in every school. I can't think
of a school, even the smallest of schools. I can
probably go talk to some administration and they'll tell me, yeah,
we've heard of those cases and we've had a couple
in our school.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
What are you doing to prevent it? Yeah, nobody's doing it.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I think. I don't know. When I think about the
school systems and things like that is extremely frustrating that,
like I said, I feel like we're running into a
We already have the we already have the information that
shows that this is this is a problem. But because
it's a little bit uncomfortable that parents won't talk to
their kids. The schools don't want to make the time.
(30:48):
I guess I don't know. I mean I think about
universities and I think about I'll say this outright, I mean,
you know, you have large universities that have Title nine
programs because we've ignored sexual assault on campuses for so
damn long and now we're paying a heavy price. Is
that what's going to happen with this? Because like from
my standpoint, I don't know anything else that's going to
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rock them into reality because they whether they want to
say it or not, they've given them a tool that
is going to turn them into a victim.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Anytime they have access to the internet and nobody's taught
them how to use it safely, there's a I would
say almost one hundred percent chance that somebody online will
solicit them. But as much as giving them that computer
and then not training them how to use it appropriately.
How many of these schools do you think are implementing
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programs for people to come in and talk to their
their staff about inappropriate relationships with kids. Probably not a
whole lot, because and you hear about it all that
tiver happens.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
You know what happens, what do you what are you
going to do to prevent it?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
And nobody these schools, I'm sure there are some out there,
but I haven't met one yet that's bringing people in
to talk to their staff.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
About where, yeah, like where the line is, how to
stay out of this situation. I mean, hell, they hire people,
They hire people, and that's the other thing is just
with the technology and everything else. I think we had
a parent, we had a parent or a teacher here
that got recently arrested and they had come from another
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school system starting in the school and somehow somebody published
the information and they found out like that he was
under investigation in another jurisdiction in Virginia for a sexual assault.
And so I just I think we always talk about, like, hey,
we're really worried about our kids, but I think at
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this point to some degree, and I'm just as guilty.
You know, it's easy as the parents to sit there
in point what other people are doing wrong. But like,
as a parent, I don't feel like I've done a
great job with my kids as far as educating on
what's out there, and so you know, and I think
that's just something that we have to do as parents
is just be honest with ourselves and say, yeah, it's
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very uncomfortable for me to say that this dude is
going to this this person is going to go and
and victimize you, and this is what it looks like
to be a victim. It's an uncomfortable conversation, but it's
not near as not near as uncomfortable as dealing with
the fallout after they're already a victim.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I've seen families completely fall apart after something like that,
and it's like, all right, you know, I don't want
to go have that discussion with my kids, but I
would way rather have an uncomfortable five or ten minute
conversation than having to deal with the trauma that is
caused by that for years and years, you know, because
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to me, my kids they have goals.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
One of them says she's gonna be a vet. She
wants to be a doctor, she wants to be a
police officer, she wants to do all these things. And
that's just a kid's mindset. But there's nothing to say
that she can't go on to be a doctor or
something that's going to benefit the world. But if something
happens to her and it can change the outcome of
her future because of me not wanting to have an
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awkward conversation.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I don't think I would ever forgive myself, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
So, So how do we I know you talked about
this earlier, about these kids waking up and on their
birthday and it's not a good day and just the
way that makes us feel. How do we how do
we transition that into action for people? I know you're
putting a lot of information out there, but like I
feel like it almost is one of those things where
you almost have to shake somebody into reality, and I
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don't I don't know what that looks like.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, trying to prevent kids who are already in those situations.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I think a lot of it's going to have to
come down to.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Public awareness, knowing what to look for for like abused
kids and like you know, toddlers that have bruising on
parts of their they shouldn't have bruising, and doctors and stuff,
Pediatricians they are all trained and knowing all those things.
But the general public, I think I think it is
a I think people are afraid to stand up as
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one person whenever they see somebody doing something wrong.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I'll give you an example, I have a case.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
That I'm not sure exactly what's happening, yet still trying
to get some information on it. But a reporting party
decided to not call the police and waited until this
man and this little girl were gone to report it
to the staff at this establishment of what was going on.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
But basically, the.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Reporting party overheard this man takes this little girl into
a bathroom and sounded like he was beating her. The
girls screaming, and then she comes out and she's got markings.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
All over her body, and they walk out and get
in a car.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Instead of stopping them out there, instead of calling on
one while it was going on, wait until they were gone,
and then still didn't call the police, instead told the establishment, Hey,
this is what happened, and then the establishment called us.
And that's where I think. You know, maybe it was nothing.
Maybe the kid was being dramatic because she was getting
her butt spanked or something. I'm not sure, but what
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if the kid was actually being beaten, and instead of
trying to stop it because whatever reason, maybe you were
uncomfortable in this situation, instead of stopping it, you not
let that little girl go home with the person who
was potentially beating her, and you don't know how far
it's going to go from there. You know, maybe there
was one time incident more than likely wasn't. Maybe went
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home beat her more. You know, you don't know, But
I feel like that's the public's perspective of things, is
they're afraid to stand up as one person to try
and correct something, but would rather be more comfortable in
a group.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
And I think that's just the truth.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
So how do you start a big enough group where
people will pay attention? Because I you know, like I said,
I I don't work the cases like you work. I
mean I'll that I'll every once in a while I'll
get a child exploitation case. But I think from working
them day in and day out, that has to wear
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on you at some point and has to I don't
want to call you a victim, but like, at what
point for you do you get so frustrated and they're
like what am I doing? Like I can't. I mean,
I think it has to help to do your you know,
do the TikTok, But like at what point do you
go like you just want to grab somebody and just
(37:42):
like start shaking them and going like pay attention I
have way too much work, and you need to step
up as a parent, so I stop having that much work.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, well, it's always disheartening whenever you know, I make
a video talking about monitoring kids devices because that's a
preventive way of them being exploited.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
And then I have parents comment.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
And it's not very many of the parents, but there's
been some parents that comment and say, well, that's an
invasion of my kids privacy, and that drives me insane.
As long as my kids are living under my roof,
they're living under my rules. If I say I want
to look at their phone and I pay for that phone,
I'm going to look at it, whether they want me
to or not, because my goal as a parent is
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to protect them. And I feel like too many parents
are trying to be friends. And I think that's where
a lot of it comes from. Is that's where a
lot of my frustration comes from. Is when they don't
believe their kids, or they try and say, oh, that
probably didn't really happen and you maybe just dream that,
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or just being afraid to look at their kids stuff
because they don't want to offend their child. We can
only do so much if you're not willing to try
and protect your kid. You can't be mad at the
police whenever we are not able to solve the case
because whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
So here's here's like a wild card question. What video
did you make that you've got the most likes of
that you look at and go, that's you know, that's
really good. But that's not what I was trying to say.
And then like I saw one of your videos, You're like,
I don't think many people are going to pay attention
to this, but I'm going to say it anyway. So
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which ones are really hitting really good and which ones aren't?
Speaker 3 (39:30):
The ones?
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I think the ones that really hit good are the
ones that have more of a shock the families. Like
I did a video about not posting your kids pictures
online of them in bathing suits.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Uh wait a minute. The guacamole, right, yea, yep, got it?
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Uh was gua it was something like that.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
It was making avocado avocado.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, I was in the name. Uh I was.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I was thinking I nailed it and then I missed
it was right, it was the right vegetable there.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Hey, you even convinced me that you had it? Thanks,
all right, go ahead like that.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I never before working these cases, I never would have
thought that predators would find an innocent beach photo of
my family and use it for uh, their self gratification.
But every search warrant that I've gone on, you know,
I'm looking through devices that I find stuff on, and
(40:40):
that with those like the child sex abuse material photos
videos mixed in there, I will find where family members
post pictures, you know, with their kid at the beach
in Florida or California wherever, and it's an innocent family
photo and they're all wearing their bathing suits, and it'll
be a group photo of the family. You can swap
over a few and then you're going to have a
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picture of a kid, a little kid in a bathing suit.
And tell me why a fifty five or sixty year
old man has a picture of a four or five
year old little girl in a bathing suit in.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
His phone where he also has.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Child sex abuse material, which I mean, I can't think
of a good reason.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
There is no good reason.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, we know the reason they have that.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
But people that tell me, they're like, well, I only
have close friends and family on there, and I can
look at their profile and they have one hundred and
fifty friends or two hundred friends.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I'm like, so, how well do you know those two
hundred people, because.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Not well enough to leave them for them to babysit
your kids. And that's basically what that's the same level
of trust.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, And these people that I talk to that are
married to their spouse and I go and tell them, yeah,
we're here to start your house, and this is what
we're looking for, and this is why we're looking for it.
I've had family members completely break down because you know,
they don't expect it.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
And these people are good at hiding it. They're good
at not letting their spouse know or their kids know
what they're into.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
And so if their own spouse don't know them well enough,
I guarantee you being friends with them on Facebook is
not scratching the surface.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
I've never thought about it. That is that makes I
don't think I'll have any bacon for a while because
of that. Thank you. I don't know, it's just it's
beyond me that I mean that. I don't know. I
don't get it. I don't get parents not being engaged.
So I feel like this might be a good transition.
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Talk a little bit about what you learned at the
latest iye CAAC meeting. You said that that the threat
of bullying and stuff like that which has caused the
death of some teens. Talk about that a little bit
and what parents can do to navigate that.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yeah, so just as much as.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
You will see these predators and stuff get online and
ask these kids for pictures of themselves, pretending to be
a fourteen year old girl, fifteen year old girl, whatever,
and they will get a picture of somebody's junk and
then they're like, hey, you know, actually I'm sixty years
old or I'm fifty years old, and I'm going to
send this out to all of your friends and family.
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If you don't pay me twenty or thirty bucks, good
chances they're going to send that out whether they get
their twenty or thirty bucks. Anyways, I've also seen that
same stuff happening with their own peers, where they'll pretend
to be somebody you know, and just to get a
picture of it so they can spread it around school
and bully these kids. And there's been several there's been
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several that and you can even find them in national
news headlines where kids took their own life, and it's
usually about I think what I learned in that ICAT
or in that CAAC conference was I think the average
time is about twenty to thirty from the time that
they get that first threat of their video or picture
being published that they actually will take their own life.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
And that's crazy to think. Even the very first day
of school in.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
The city that I work in, there was a kid
who went home and took her life because she was
sounds like she was being bullied, and like, that is
completely unacceptable. And my kids have been told over and
over and over and over, if I ever catch you
bullying somebody, that's gonna be about the last thing you
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ever want to do, because it's you're going to have
a hard punishment because we don't put up with it,
just like I'm not gonna put up with somebody bullying my.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Kid, right, Yeah, I mean that's it. I mean that
brings up another thing is that I'm plugging them a
little bit. But like safe Surfing, that is something that
they have, is they actually have some kind of AI.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
That a lot.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
It's an app that these kids can put on this
on the phone. So like what you just described, would
it would intercept that and say, hey, you need to
talk to the authorities, which to me is I don't
I don't know. I just for me, I just don't
know what we can do. I hear people talk about
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human trafficking. I talk it's whatever, the talking points of
the day, But I don't hear a whole lot of
people saying like, Hey, our kids are in danger, and
what are we doing to fix that?
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I think honestly a lot of people are just pretending
they're not in danger. They'll hear, they'll read it on Facebook,
and then that'll be it.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
They'll be shocked when they hear if someone I'm taking
their own life, but after a week or two, they'll
go back to doing whatever they were doing before and
hope that it doesn't happen to them until it does,
you know, And I hope that doesn't happen to anybody
that watches or listeners to this or.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Anybody out there. But it's real.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
You think that those families ever thought that the kid
would do something like that because they were bullied or
because they were exploited online.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
I guarantee you if.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
They knew that that would happen, then they probably would
have taken more of a measure to stop that.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Well, not just the danger of that, but just you know,
the bullying is one thing, but I just think there's
an imminent danger for our kids online just to I
can't remember, I think you would set a number of
in these gaming and it might have been the guy
from Safe Surfing Eddie, but he said that the predators
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in gaming that they I think out of one hundred
ninety some out of one hundred kids that are in
a gaming thing, that they will be approached by predator.
I think it's ninety it's either ninety or ninety some
percent chance that if they're in a gaming app that
they're going to be at least contacted by a predator,
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which is unreal.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yeah, and so doing like some undercover chats and stuff,
you know, posing as a as a little kid.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
It's unreal.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
How quick I can post a simple little status where
I know a lot of people get exploited. I can
go post a simple little status and within under a minute,
I can almost guarantee you I'll have twenty five to
fifty messages from men asking me, oh, well how old
are you?
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Where are you from?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
I mean even have people go as far as saying
would you like for me to bring you to and
from school.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
So they know. So you're so you're identifying as a
child when you put that message out there. And how
I mean age range we're talking about that you're putting
out there before these adults start contacting you. Yes, thirteen,
thirteen year old kid, you put just put a message
out there and you have the main people coming after you.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah, I'll post something, you know, regarding like high school
or summertime being over and having to go back to school,
and you know, I typically throw high school in there
so there's no confusion for college or something like that.
And they know what they're getting into at that point.
And some of them will start out by saying, hey,
what grade are you want? I'll say, well, I'm in eighth,
but I'm about to go to ninth or something like that,
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you know, And then I'll I'll say, well okay. Then
later I'll get on my age too, so they can't
say they didn't know, right.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
So, but it's crazy, It is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
So I feel like we keep circling around, at least
in my brain is just what I feel like you're
doing a lot, But like what else can people do?
And like what organizations can parents plug into to get
the information out there and to get their schools. Okay,
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if you don't want to invest the time in having
your kids, at least equip them. I mean a lot
of people don't train their kids on how to drive
a car properly. But there is a you know, a
driver's aad course at the school. Why aren't we doing
the same thing for kids as far as safety on
the internet, Because to me, it's just as catastrophic as
one of these kids it's victimized online.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yeah, So there are like certain police departments that will
go around, Like I know, Dallas Police Department has a
really good organization where they have.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Like public outreach where they.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Will go out to schools and they will talk to
schools the ones that are willing to have them. From
from what I understand Dallas ISD is they're very welcoming
to what Dallas PAD has to tell and so they'll
get out there and they'll talk about this with kids.
But that's one of the only districts that I've heard
of that really allows that to happen at least in
(49:54):
the like the middle school to high school level. You know,
everybody's fine with cops coming out to talk to h
six or seven year olds because at that age they're
not really going to understand child exploitation, you know, and
most schools know that and they're like, oh, they're not
going to come in and talk about anything too harsh, right,
(50:14):
But we can start kind of planting that base there
of you know, here's some safe games that you can
play and give them resources like through Nickmick. Like I said,
the National Center for Missing Exploited Children. I think that
they do fantastic work.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
UH.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Support everything that they do because.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
I've used those resources in classes that I've put on
in TAP parents like about online safety, and you know,
you can play dramatic videos and stuff that'll stick with families.
But as far as why there's not a specific course
for online safety, I have no idea. Aside from if
a parent is wanting to be proactive and get to
(50:58):
know what to do to prevent their care from being
a victim. Aside from them taking the initiative to reach out,
there's not really anything set in stone to uh to
prevent it.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
It seems like the two entities that are that should
be the most engaged with school age children, which are
the school system and the parents needed both of them
kind of checked out as far as responsibility for educating
these children.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Well, anything else you want to talk about, Uh, I
feel like you have done You've done an amazing job.
I mean, I think it's I think it's really easy
to get frustrated and think, you know, at some point
like I don't know why we're doing this, but I
think it has to be good to see people engaging,
like what you described earlier, where you had people saying like, hey,
(51:49):
I had this conversation with my child and it prevented this,
or it prevented that, or we were this child was
in the beginning phase of you know, being groomed or
whatever online and you interrupted that cycle. And I just
I just wish we had a way to interrupt that cycle.
Because once you start that cycle where it ends two
(52:11):
in three generations later is I mean, it's horrible for
the first generation, but it doesn't stop at that generation.
We're two or three generations into it at some point,
and I think, and that's without all the technology that
we had. I mean, the sex offenses that we're having
on children with families is two or three generations old,
(52:31):
and that is that is a totally different environment that
they don't have access. I'd hate to think, with the
access to information like kids have these days, how fast
that is growing with the exploitation online.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah, yeah, And that's what I'm trying to tell people, Like,
the Internet's not just some big, bad monster. It's great
and you know, we can do things that people years
ago and never thought we could do. But it's just
like with anything, predators will get a hold of something
good and they will try and destroy it. But child
(53:10):
exploitation has been going on, child sex offenses have been
going on since forever, you know, and it does make
it easier for them whenever they get into a chat
with kids, to be able to at least online exploit them.
But it all comes back to education and prevention. But
it's not because the Internet is an ugly or bad thing.
(53:34):
We wouldn't have half the things we have we didn't
have the internet. But with everything, that's like I said,
everything is good. If somebody wants to do something bad
with it, they'll do something bad with it, right, you know.
People not to get off topic too far, but people
will blame guns for violence and murders and all these things.
But go back to Canaan Abele. You know, he's killed
(53:56):
with the rock. So you know, if somebody has bad intentions,
they will that will use whatever is readily available to them.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
And so you're absolutely right. I just I mean, I
think of all the things that are negative that the
internet creates, and I just wish there are more people
like you that used it for a positive.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
Yeah, and there are there are places that you know.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
That these people, these predators, they will just go on
to sites and it's specifically all they're doing is trading
images and photos or videos and images of stuff. Those
things like that they shouldn't exist. And I see people
all the time like, well, why does the government not
stop it?
Speaker 3 (54:40):
Like how do you stop it? Right?
Speaker 2 (54:42):
Like we can go get a website shut down and
five to ten minutes later it's going to be back
up under a different URL. Right, And everybody assumes that,
you know, we can stop it because we're in the
United States, we can stop all of that from happening here.
It's not possible because this is happening. The majority of
the online cases that I get for like possession of
(55:06):
child pornography stuff like that, most of those cases, those
kids in those videos are not from the United States.
It happens plenty here in the United States, but the
majority of the ones that I see are not from
the United States. So it's like, yeah, we can shut
down some sites here, but what are we gonna do
about all the end of the countries that they upload that,
(55:27):
and then the dark Web transfers it over to our
people here in the United States.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
You know, Yeah, it's a big issue.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
So I'm gonna get I'm gonna get a list from
you to close out most important thing. As a parent
that listens to this, what are the most important things
they can do right now to keep their kids safe
and educate them on what's online.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
So if somebody were starting today, you know, I think
y'all are an hour ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
I'm ahead of me there, but here school is about to.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
Get out, So go pick your skit up, pick your
kid up from school, take them home, set them down,
have that conversation with them, tell them, Hey, I want
to talk about something. It's gonna be uncomfortable, but I
want you to know that I love you and I
do these things because I'm trying to protect you and
I want to know I want you to be honest
with me, and I want to have that open communication
from here on out, you know, because you're only going
(56:23):
to be more tempted as you get older. Temptations is
gonna people are gonna be trying to tempt you to
do all these things. Have that discussion with them and
tell them, I am gonna check your phone. I want
to see what apps you're using. Familiarize these parents that
need to familiarize themselves with what apps are being used.
There's an app called Hush, Nothing good happens on there.
(56:43):
These kids are on there. There's an app called Volcanto,
nothing good happens on there. Snapchat, Discord, roadblocks, all of
these things, Telegram, all of these things, if you kid
has them, good idea to look through them, especially Hush
and look into all those those are red flags. Shouldn't
(57:03):
have them, Telegram, shouldn't have it. But have that discussion,
set them down, look through their phone and tell them
why you're doing it and the dangers of what they
could have access to. Right that, to me, I think
is the best baseline to start. After you have that discussion.
Watch some of the videos from Nick Mick, Watch some
(57:25):
of the videos from the FBI, there's a the name
I would just slip my mind, but I think it's
Kids Smart, something like that Net Smarts or something.
Speaker 3 (57:39):
But it's it's through Nick Mick and.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
They got age appropriate videos for like I said, preschool
toddler or not toddler, a preschool to you know, all
through elementary, middle school, high school.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
Even on the parent level. For education, that's another thing,
I would say, educate yourself. Go watch these videos. Know
what you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
If you don't know what you're looking for, you're not
going to find something unless you just stumble across it.
But yeah, that's uh. I think that would be what
I would do in my first step.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
All right, as a parent, you you engage your kid.
There woking parents and woking elected officials. I'm thinking sheriffs
and police chiefs going to the school system and say, yes,
we definitely have a problem. I've got the reports to
show it. We need to come up with the program
to start educating these kids.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
Yes, I absolutely agree that needs to happen.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
I think there's plenty of data to support a you know,
I'll refer to it as a m d T and
multidisciplinary team between the schools, the police, Department of Sheriff's Office,
the CCS, all of these things need to get together
and they need to figure out a way to approach
the problem. And you know, I'm not going to go
(58:58):
out of balance and say completely shut it down, because
it's going to take a long time and it's going
to take a lot of people to do that. But
suppress it, and maybe you can shut it down for
your area. You know, at the school the kids in
your school, educate them, and not just one time a year,
educate them, educating them throughout the year. Every other month,
(59:18):
have some kind of something you can broadcast over the
smart boards or something. Just say hey, this this month,
we're going to cover this mhm. You know, And I
think that's the only way. There's there's no way to
stop it aside from education.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
Well, brother, I appreciate you coming on. It's been educational
for me, and I appreciate all the work that you've
done to keep kids safe. And like I said, thank
you for coming on, and keep up the good work.
If there's anything we can do, I think you're so
far ahead of us. We may catch up, but I
hope we don't, you know, because I feel like your
(59:57):
stuff is so good. I hope we're chasing you for
your years to come, and I appreciate that. No, you're welcome,
sor thanks for your time, brother,
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