Unmasking the Truth: Why Charlie Kirk is Not the Villain the Left Portrays

In this episode, Juette interviews Vince Ellison, a friend of Charlie Kirk, about Kirk’s reputation and the conservative movement’s outreach to Black Americans. Ellison discusses the origins of BLEXIT, critiques the Democratic Party’s influence in Black communities, and emphasizes the importance of Christian values and personal responsibility. He shares experiences from his activism, addresses controversial social issues, and highlights the impact of grassroots conservative efforts. The conversation also covers law enforcement, school choice, and the power of independent media in challenging mainstream narratives and reaching new audiences

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
I'm honored to have Vince on my show, Vince Ellison,
and he I've watched some of the stuff that you've
put out, but the real reason, and I could probably
talk to you for two or three hours we're just shooting.
But what I would like to talk about is I've
heard fascist, racist, and everything else talking about Charlie Kirk,

(00:32):
and I want to hear from you as his friend.
Who was Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, look, i've watched your show as well. You're doing awesome. Man,
You're doing good work. Thank you for doing it. People
hear it, and thank you for having me on to
talk about my good friend Charlie Kirk, because, like you said,
the left has to lie on Charlie. And again, Charlie
wasn't Jesus Christ. Okay, so I'm not trying to compare
Charlie to Jesus, But just like they lying on Jesus,

(00:57):
you know, when he rolls from the dead, whether they
say ooh, they stole his body, they can't tell the
truth on Charlie. Because but here's a good thing. They
didn't have the internet back then. They got it now.
And if anyone hears something negative about Charlie Kirk. I
would just ask you to do your own research and
not just and if you find a sound bite, find that,

(01:20):
find the whole thing and watching it in context, and
you will find out the devil's not a racist bone
in Charlie Kirk's body. How do I know I knew Charlie?
I didn't just I knew him. Well, we talked a lot.
I did speeches for tv USA for Blexit. I was
on his show almost a dozen times. So what was

(01:40):
black sit Bleaxit is an offshoot of TP USA, Turning
Point USA. It's the thing that Charlie started. Then Cannis
Owns got started with with Charlie, and that's when it
really blew up. And you know, maybe around twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen, so Cannis and Charlie will go to these
college campuses and they tag team, right, and then Candace

(02:01):
wanted to do a more of a concentrated concept of
going to the black community and she wanted to call
it blexit. It is a it was an offshoot of
the term when Britain left the EU and they called
it Brexit. She called this Blexit, and she was talking
about the black community leaving the Democratic Party. So TP

(02:23):
USA allowed Blexit to to operate under their their umbrella,
and Candace started going to black colleges and black universities
and talking about the conservative Christian message there and it
started doing very well. Then Candace left and she went
to prager U and she went to Ben Shapiro. Now
she's doing her own thing, but Blexit still remained. And

(02:47):
then there's a good young man. They're running Blexit now.
His name is p Air Pierre Wilson, and Pierre is
running it and it's still going strong, and we're going
to expand it to a lot of HBC.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
I think what's cool about that is I think when
you dive deep down and that's that's not Charlie Kirk
putting words to things. That's him putting money in his
name and everything that he did behind something that's important
to you.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, yeah, Charlie was a racist. Whyley do that right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
And so why is it so important to you as
his friend to go to the black community, go to
the black colleges and say, hey, this is the truth.
This isn't like I. And because it's life experiences that
you've had.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's it's interesting. Man. Eighty five percent of black people
say they're Christian, right, About seventy five percent of white
people say they're Christian right. That's how about commonality? And
you and I both have experienced this. And when black
and white Christians sit down and talk, you got nine
nine percent of everything in common. You know, when we
find out we're not enemies. But there are people on
the left, and they are atheists, most of them Marxist socialists,

(03:50):
atheist liberals, cruel people. They won't power, and the way
they accumulate this power is by making sure that ninety
percent of black people vote for the Democratic Party. My
first book was called The Iron Triangle. I talked about this.
I worked in the prison five years and in the
nineties I saw these young black men come into prison
the Clinton Biden crime bill, and I asked the black

(04:11):
intelligency why these young men come in to jealous sis
astronomical numbers, and they told me this lie. They said, well, evil,
rich white Republicans hate black people, are gonna lock them up.
Well I was nive there, and I said, I'm gonna
put a stop to this. So I started a nonprofit,
went down into the black community. And when I got
down there, I didn't see eaton I didn't see any

(04:32):
evil rich white conservative Republicans anywhere. You see a unicorn
before you saw one, right, right. But what I saw
was a bunch of black people making a lot of
money off the progress offered the chaos. I'm sorry, and
I called this group the Iron Triangle. They were most
black preachers, most black politicians, and most black civil rights workers,

(04:52):
and they were conduits between rich white liberals who were
paying them in the poor black community. And these guys
job was make sure the black people worked for voted
for the Democratic Party by hook or by crook. The
black preacher was the worst. About ninety percent of these
suckers a completely corrupt and they are just contractors for
the Democratic Party. When I did when I ran for

(05:15):
office in South Carolina for Congress, my father, who well,
when I was born, he was a sharecropper and he
made his money in the insurance industry, and he o, yeah, here,
he had a gospel music a station in Brownsville, so
he deubted black preachers all the time. And my father
took me to the side. He said, son, listen to me.

(05:36):
I taught you to reveal the church, and I told
you to love God, he said, But you trust a
bootleger before you trust a black preacher.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
But that even I think. What's weird about that is,
back in those days, when you looked at the Democratic Party,
they were they were fairly conserved. I mean, you had
a lot of conservative people, not the conservative you see today,
but you had people that were like genuinely interested in humankind,

(06:06):
law and order and everything else. And so how do
you go from a Democratic party like that.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
To what it is now? Yeah, those old blue dog
Democrats are talking about. Yes, man, it came out of
civil rights movement. Okay, you had a bunch of Marxists
and communists and weirdos and hippies and feminists, and there
do wells that jumped into the civil rights movement and
took out a moral absoluteness. And when when Martin Luther

(06:32):
King Jr. Got shot, they tried to take over the
Democratic Party in nineteen sixty eight at the convention in Chicago,
and you remember Mayor Daily sit the hard hats out
there and beat them all up, and they started screaming,
the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching.
And so Salolinsky was there and he said, y'all got
three choices either go find you either go somewhere and crime,
find us off a whaling wall, start throwing bombs, and

(06:54):
if you do that, you're going to turn people over
to the GOP. Or come back in four years and
you beat the delegates. And they chose the third one.
They went home. They regrouped. In nineteen seventy two, they
came to Florida, Miami, Florida, to the convention. They were
so organized that Mary Daily, the guy there, had run
them out of Chicago. They ran him out in Miami.

(07:17):
They took over the party and that was the first
time that the Democratic Party had gave rights, had abortion,
had all this feminist crap put into the party. Richard
Nixon cleaned their clocks that year, destroyed them. So what
did they do to Nixon? They put the watergate on him.
Gerald Ford became president. He went down and they bought
in Carter. Carter tried to inflevent a lot of this stuff.

(07:40):
And who cleaned his clock? Ronald Reagan and the American
people kept rejecting this foolishness. Bill Clinton came in, tried
to do some of it. What did they do? They
cleaned his clock? New Giners came in, Bill Clinton went
by conservatives and then finally they got there. One who
was at Barack husaint Obama, and Obama was while he

(08:01):
was running. He ran as a moderate, and you can
recall he said he believed the marriage between one man
and one woman. When he asked about abortions above my
pay grade. He didn't say anything about Obamacare anything, anything, Obamacare, reparations, nothing.
But then he gets in the office and what does
he do. Obamacare is the first thing he does, sex
change operations, and Obamacare for free, free sex change operations,

(08:22):
free abortion, and Obamacare forced insurance companies to cover sex
change operations and abortions. Start allowing illegals to come in.
Lie about it. He's telling people he's deporting them. But
what he did was he lied. He started taking illegals
that were called turnarounds before then he started calling them
the deportations, but he was allowing other ones in. So

(08:44):
Obama allowed the that gonna be I llegals in Okay.
People rejected him and Bobian Trump, but you we understand
what I was Trump COVID impeachment. Biden comes in and
tries to keep the thing going. We rejected again, and
we bring Trump back in and Trump says, I'm tired
of this, and he is destroying the whole foundation of
the Democratic Party. From the cartels he's blown up these ships,

(09:07):
to the drugs, to the money laundry, to the unions,
to Antifa. Everything that makes them work the college and
the university is the grants and all the money going
to these NGOs. He's drying it all up, and they're
freaking out because Trump is destroying the foundation of this

(09:29):
evil institution. He went to Supreme Court and say no,
you can't do sex change operations to children. He's stopping
the whole trans movement in his tracks. And so he's
pushing all of this stuff back because America finally understood
because the people are like you and me and others
out there, these are the ones that are doing this.
This isn't coming from the ether. This is planned, it's organized.

(09:53):
And they lay their head that the DNC and at
the Democratic Party. And now that people know it, and
they saw it, they saw it in line of Living
Color at this Charlie Kirk Momorto, not one Democrat showed.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Up, really, not one, just somebody from leadership or anything.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Nobody we had to speak of the House there, we
had the president that the vice president there, Leon must
showed up for respect, Glenn Beck showed Patrick Beck, David
showed up, all of these. Not one Democrat showed up
to just stand and say. Look, I might not agree with.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Charlie Kirk, but he was a good man.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
He's a good man the right to say what happened
was tragic. Let's bring the country together, Let's stop all
of this violence. You know what, because they wanted them dead.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
So you know, kind of what you're saying triggers a
thought processing me as far as how things work, and
you talk about how people go back and forth with
each other, and I think that was what was really
unique about Charlie. Yes, he could have a conversation with
somebody he disagreed with and he wasn't trying to change
their mind. He was just trying to give him the

(10:57):
other side of the story. Yeah, so what is the
so with everything that's going on in the world today,
with the Democratic Party and everything else, what is the
other side of the story That was so terrifying. Just
like when you were a kid, if you lost an
argument or anything else, all you had is left is
the name calling. Why are we fascist? Why are we

(11:17):
racist all those things? Why are we like that? And
what is the endgame for the Democratic Party? When it
gets to that, they can't be the argument.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
They cannot do it because see when I go on
to college campus and you have a child that's twenty
years old, that's been told since Obama that America is systemic,
systemically racist, and I actually where he's from. He's like,
I'm Chicago, Detroit. No. I said, well, all the systems
in the area you came from control by the Democratic Party.
They control the system in the black community. They control

(11:49):
the schools, they control the jails, they control the judges,
they control the prisons. I mean, you know, they control
the systems that you call as systemically racist. No, you're
a Democratic Party is racist. Well, they talk about white privilege.
I said, well, there's a privilege to be white, but
it's also a privilege to be black, it's a privilege
to be Hispanic, it's a privilege to be Asian Jewish.
We God gave us all privileges. Then when they say, well,

(12:10):
h white supremacy, So white supremacy, white sprivilegyes like voodoos. Huh,
you got to believe it. For the many fact on you.
I don't have a problem him being feeling good about himself. Well,
if he thinks he's supreme. A lot of white boys
jumping the ring with Hannadli thinking that they was gonna
whoop it ket knocked out. No, your job is feel
good about yourself, not try to pull somebody else down.

(12:33):
This is a miracle. Boy, You better compete when you
go out there. That guy's gonna brings you better bring yours.
Your own football player. You know that your job, if
your job might be to demoralize him on that line
of scrimmage, but you're not gonna talk him into feeling
inferior to you. You've got to prove that you're better.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
You gotta win.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
That's it. And that's the mindset that I throw at
these people all the time. So he's walk I walk
into a campus, I'll walk up into the room all
the sudden that I said, time you talk about white supremacy, heart,
that you have white privilege over me. I said, show
me your white privilege over me. Let's put it to
the test. Who in this room think that you have
privilege over me? And it's an illusion, it's an anomaly.

(13:14):
And if they come to with Dee I and try
to defend it. All I say, to the end of this,
you do you do need the EI because you're inferior.
I don't need it. My brothers don't need it, my
sisters don't it, my friends don't need it. But you're
inferior minded and you're gonna need it for the rest
of your life. So what we're gonna do is we're
gonna give you a one room apartment about thousand dollars

(13:36):
a month. Let you stand on the point and drink
forties while the rest of us go do great things.
They can't break our argument. The problem they have with
us is one thing we believe in the thing they
hate the most, and that's Jesus Christ. When I say
these people are evil, I'm not playing with it. You're
boughting babies until the ninth month. You're cutting, You're castrating

(13:57):
little boys and call them little girls. You're giving double
missect these little girls and calling them little boys. You're
allowing the Minton men to go into the bathroom with
your wife and your children while they urinate. You're allowing
the Minton men to go into the locker rooms with
your daughters while they changed clothes. You're allowed the mint
to men to play in sports with your daughters. Man,
you're a loot drag. Queens are going to the school

(14:17):
to state they behind in your son's faces. You're putting
the Bible out of the library, wouldn't pouring in. And
these people couldn't show up at Charlie Kirk event because
it was been a like bringing Dracula into a church.
They can't stand that now they you know, you saw
how they rioting with George Floyd and all the rest
of them. Right, we didn't do any rioting.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
But how so how do we get the because I
feel like all the stuff because I was a recipient
of the police reform and the way we police, and
basically what it did is it told the police don't
go out there and make contact with the community because
if you do, you're going to be called all these names.
And so how does the I don't even think it's

(15:00):
the right. I think it, I mean, and I don't
want to claim one thing over the other. But I
thought one of the most interesting podcasts I ever saw
was Dan Boniingino had a guy and I think you're
talking about far left, far right, But like I think
there are a lot of people in both parties that
want to arrive at a certain destination. How has the

(15:22):
group that you're talking about, the evil group, silenced all
the good people.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
They have a lot of money, come from a lot
of evil people. The George Sorol says, the Priskkers, the
Disney family, and they have a lot of money, and
they come in and they fund the whole party. And
they've actually run everybody else out, the abortion industry, the
teachers unions, the atheists. They have bundled and they are
giving hundreds of millions of dollars a Democratic Party, And

(15:49):
if you are a Democrat Party candidate, you have to
side with them to win. And you know what, And
I've talked to Democrats in office that are in something
like the majority black district and they said, man, if
I don't side with these people, they're gonna give that
money to a guy that will. And what I can
do then is I can talk to you and tell

(16:10):
you how to maneuver around this and get something done.
But when in public, I got to speak out against you.
But you're right on school choice. These schools are terrible.
You're right on us bringing the family back together. You're
right on us bringing God back into the public square.
You're right on his LGBTQ stuff. You're right on immigration,

(16:30):
that're bringing all these immigrants up to our city, and
we don't have enough for our own children, right, and
now we have to our children. Our teachers have to
say half of the school day to teach a child
that can't speak English how to get to this school,
how to get through the school day. And our children
are suffering. They're bringing crime. We only got a certain

(16:51):
amount of housing here, and then they come in and
the rents go up, and then the crime goes up,
and they don't want it. But they said, if we
come out against it, the Democratic Party takes our funny.
So what I have to do is assist you. Go
talk to that person in my city. Go talk to
this person in my city. Go get on the radio
station in my city and tell my people about it,

(17:11):
and help them make me do it.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
So here's the question. And I'm sure I have you
met win some seers. Oh yes, and you listen to
her story? Yes, how can you be I don't care
if you're black, white, or who you are. How could
you not embrace a story like that? The story of success,
like she served her country, came here from another country,

(17:34):
served her country, did all those things. But yet somehow
it pisses me off. The PBA endorsed a Democrat, and
we've on the law enforcement side. See what happens when
those policies come into effect. Why are communities not embracing
Because I think people want law in order, they want

(17:56):
more law enforcement. But how do you get people out
the general public? How do you educate them and say, hey,
this person is not good for you.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
You know what, Charlie Kirk was doing something which is
what I'm doing. You doing that? The R and C
has never done well in times of peace. You planned
for war. Okay, Now, you guys practice all the time
for when stuff breaks off, right, you're prepared for it.
You know, practice well the stuff that broke up. Let's
start practicing, you practice when it breaks off. The R

(18:27):
and C wants to start going into the black community
two weeks for an election, whereas the Democrat is that
all the time. And eighty percent of any gig is
old ball billion term. Eighty percent of any gig is
just showing up, being there, letting people see you on
the ground all the time. For years, the R and
C will not go into the black community. And there's

(18:48):
a big reason of eyeing that they made a deal
in nineteen ninety two that if that if the Black
Democrats and the Republicans come together and draw these districts,
that they'll stay out of the Black community of perpetuity.
So when you go into Norfolk in these black areas,
they haven't seen the Republican in forty years in these areas,
and they've already formed an opinion upon somebody like Wins
some Seers. Why because that black pastor told him, and

(19:11):
he's a no good line in a you know, the
NAACP and the SELC and the rest of the ANTIFA
and and Black Lives Matter told him, right. Uh, the
teachers on the Teachers Union stole them. So all the
people who they know are and are in contact to
you every day, who have been paid by the Democrats
have already told them who Wins some Seers is. And

(19:33):
so when Wins shows up in their minds, he's already
been called all these terrible names. And she's working for
the white folks, and she and and you only and
because she only has a finite amount of time to
change their minds, it's almost an impossibility. So what do
we do people like you and not doing our podcast
trying to educate people all the time about what's going
on on out there in real time. And since the

(19:55):
election of Donald Trump, and Charlie had about maybe for conferences.
Last time I saw it was a conference in Tampa
and and uh uh yeah, it was Tampa Bay in
Tampa Bay. Man, it was so many people that that
that gun conference. But he had a talker, was there,
Don Junior was there, and we were all talking about
the things we're talking about now, bringing Christ back into

(20:16):
our lives. School choice, so we can teach our children
the way we want to teach them. What does the
Bible say about family? What does the Bible say about abortion?
Everything that Charlie did and I do and Blecks it does,
it comes from the Bible. We support it through our scripture.
And I've always told people, as Jesus said, a double
minded man is unbalanced in all of his ways. You

(20:39):
cannot have a Christian point of view socially and then
vote for liberalism politically. You'll have a cultural flux, You'll
have conflict consistently. So we believe in the Bible but
we're gonna tell to send our children to schools that
that teaches them that the homosexuality and gain marriage and
chances and thereon was Okay, you can't have that. So

(21:00):
we we at tp U s a at at at
at Black sit Well also do speeches for the for
the Young American Foundation, My books, my podcast, my documentaries,
all of them comes from this fundamental point of view.
Are you a Christian? Yes I am? Then this is
how you're supposed to respond to these things. Period. There

(21:23):
ain't no if anzel, But what can I leave my
religion aside when I vote no?

Speaker 1 (21:29):
But how so, one of the things I think people
say a lot about Christians is they're judging people. And
I think if you listen to Charlie Kirk, he didn't
judge anybody.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
He didn't.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
And so how how do we how do you? And
how do people get the messaging out there to say
I love you as a human, but what you're doing
is wrong.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
The greatest attribute of love is telling the truth. Love
is an action verb. Okay, we tell you the truth.
If I hear and you're my friend and you on
crack cocaine, I ain't gonna sit there and enable you.
I do want to say, what's to say here about
you doing crack man? No, no, no, you're gonna stop.
It is what you're gonna do. And as a friend,

(22:15):
I'm going to demand a standard of you always you're
demanded of me. This is how we sharpen each other.
As men, we hold each other to account. Come, come
in visiting. I'll let you buyself what so on? You
you're gonna you gonna make that right? Okay, got your word,
got your word? All right? That's it. And as men
we shake hands. Ain't no written contract. Accountability. It's accountability.

(22:38):
And we hold each and Christians do that. We were
told to do it. Love one another, give for a
barrassed or sharpen one another. That's what's that mean. Hold
you to account, pull you to the side, talk to you,
gird you up. You do the same for me. And
when we do that, we help one another. But we
don't enable one another. I tell you the truth. That's

(22:59):
why they hated Jesus. He went in that temple and said,
you think the Romans are your problem? No, no, no,
your problem with them fuckers? Right over with that the
same Handrin Pharisees aside your sees that's your problem, and
that's when they start to killing. Charlie went out and
told people, look, man, you're a grown man and you're
still on your mother's breast, which is the government. Cut

(23:21):
that mess out and get to work. And what happens
They both hate you. Don't think the God says, a
cold dependency going on? You got this the minted mom
that gets some type of a pleasure on her son
set on his breast and he's seven eight years older.
He gets some type of pleasure on it. And then
you come and you confront that cold dependency, and both
of them look at you and get angry, and they
get mad at the person that's told them the truth.
Nobody said it more than the truth telling a guy

(23:42):
that tells you you're a grown man, get to work, boy,
that make you angry. You've been in the house laying
down on a hot day, and Daddy comes and said, boy,
that I tell you know that yard? Right? Yes, sir,
what is it? Mode? It's no sense right, get out
there and do it. You're mad, but it's true, but.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
You're out there moaning.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
You're out there moaning.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
So how do we get people to start mowing the grass.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Well, what we have to do selling the truth? Man
like you and I hold them to the count. Look
them in the eye. Boy, you know better than that
instead of just walking past like we usually do. Now,
is that you can't judge? Well, when you tell me
I can't judge, you're judging me. So you're a liar. Yeah,
we have to judge rightly. That's what our Bible tells us.
Judge rightly, to tell you. Look, and we have to
understand what this judgment thing is. Okay, you have the prosecutor,

(24:23):
you have the defense, you have the jury, and you
have the judge. The prosecute. The jury just finds you guilty.
They don't put the punishment on you. No, the judge
puts the punishment on you. That's the judgment. So when
our Bible talks about judging people, that means putting punishment
on them. You've done wrong. Now I'm going to punish you. No,

(24:44):
But I can say you've done wrong. I can look
at you and say, it's like telling you that you're
on a red coat. It's true, right, I mean if
I catch you still, then you're stealing. Boy, that's wrong.
Now do I have a right? Then? There and take
a baseball bat and beat you in the streets. What No,
that's what the thought. So when people talk about judgment,
it is not forming an opinion. That's not judgment. Judgment

(25:05):
is throwing the penalty down. You arrest the guy. You
ain't judging it. I'm gonna take you to the prosecute
is gonna Seidbry to prosecute you or not right, and
then we're gonna take you to Jermy and the jury's
gonna find whether you guilty Anderson, and then the judge
is gonna get up there and he said, well, okay,
you can go or he can put the time on you.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
So one of the things that I think, and my
brain just works in like steps, and I feel like
the reason you were here and the reason you have
the thought processes you have and the beliefs that you
have is the raid that you were raised. Yes, we
have a whole generation that wasn't raised like that, and.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
So how do we how?

Speaker 1 (25:42):
And I feel like that's what Charlie was doing. He
was he was like he was a shock that said
no it stops today, you know, Like to use your example,
he just broke the seal off at Nipple and.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Today.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
It stops today. How do we move forward? So how
do we?

Speaker 2 (25:59):
How do we how?

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I don't think you'll ever replace what Charlie Kurtin did,
But what do we tell these kids? We send some
of our people out to the local campuses to talk
to these kids, and they have a lot of feelings. Yeah,
but how do we convert that into action? Because I
think Charlie was action.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yes, he was one of the things. And this is
the reason why I support school choice. Okay, school is mandatory, yes,
and you have it almost every day. And this one
size spit all of education is not working. America for
a long time was a bottom up system where in

(26:38):
the forties and fifties, when me and me and your
mom and daddy went went went to school, they knew
that the parents were not educated, They just weren't right,
And so they knew they would have to get those
children and start from the bottom up, the most the
most uneducated child for the most ignorant backwood of contemplantation.
And we got our TC children everything, and and and

(26:59):
they did. My father and your father and mama learned
how to ReadWrite for the first month of the first
ones in their family. And we learned. Now it's the
top down system where you gotta have two parents in
the house, you gotta have a stable environment, and you
gotta have all this, all that, and then the child
does well. But the bottom children do terribly. But the
top children we have options. Your children of mine got options.

(27:22):
I get tell them to private school if I want to.
With the public US kid, he got a nice suburban school.
But these children at the bottom, and the Democrats benefit
from that, they have no incentive to change.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
It because they have dependence.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yes, so what happens? This is what I love about Trump.
Whther things I love about it In the most of
school choice. Most people, unless they are insane, want their
child they have a better chance at life than they do.
They want them to get a better education than they have.
They want their son to grow up, me to take
care of themselves and their mother. School choice is that opportunity.

(27:56):
When Donald Trump was a hard head, what is it
dad to do? Simson Military Academy? So the boy didn't govern.
I'm tired of you. I'm on the road working all
the time. You at home, show on your ass. I
got something for you. And then a lot of parents
will have that ability. But a lot of parents don't.
But I can guarantee you if you walk into a
house with a mama with three children, they daddy in jail,
dead or just gone, and they're not doing well in school,

(28:17):
and me and you walk in there s miss Jones. Yes,
we got school down here in this city. It's gonna
cost you nothing because you got school choice. That money
gonna follow your child. We're gonna put him in a uniform.
We're gonna teach him to be a man. This is
an all boy school. We're gonna teach him how it
is religion. We're gonna teach him how to take or

(28:38):
We're gonna teach him to be a man. You send
your boy to us by the time he gives me
eighteen years else on human be taking care of you.
He ain't gonna be in jail. He ain't gonna be
around here with three or four baby mamas. He ain't
gonna be on dope. He gonna grow up. He either
go to college, you're gonna go to the military. You're
gonna get a job, and he's gonna be a good
law bidy citizen. I promise you send him to us.

(28:59):
I guarantee you that do it. But you know what,
the Democrats will fight you tooth and nail before they
give you that. That's how we change.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
It because of because of the union.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
The union, the teacher union get them so much money.
They give nine a percent of their money to the
Democratic Party. Is hundreds of millions of dollars. Now that
stupid um um mayor up in Chicago all in the
teachers Union's pockets, all in it. And he's in trouble
right now because he prompts them so much money. But
then he gave them money to the illegals. And you
know now, you know he's got to continue. So that's

(29:30):
the thing that's the fight. If we're going to change this,
we got to go back again. And we can change
it in one generation if we can just and and whatever.
Give you quite a good example. Hurricane Katrina tore down
New Orleans. Just raided in Washington Post. I think it's
a twentieth and the very twenty fifth anniversary or something
like that. They were talking about the miracle in New
Orleans and the public educational system. It tore down all

(29:53):
the schools and New Orleans needed money to build the
school's back. But in Vaton Rouge the Republicans from in
the show, and they said, the only way you get
any money from the state of the state of the
State of Louisiana or from the fans is that you
got to put school choice in New Orleans when we
rebuild those schools. New Orleans had to do it. They

(30:13):
fined seven thousand teachers. They put up charter schools and
private schools. Now New Orleans has one of the best
public educational systems in the whole United States of America,
and they call it a miracle. Why choice, They know
how to do it. And these Democrats looked at New
Orleans and we can't do that anywhere else, y'all. If do,
we're done. They had vouchers in Washington, d c. Baracco

(30:37):
and the parents gave it a ninety five percent approval rating.
Barack Obama comes in and cuts them out. Why teachers
union say we don't want them. Why they don't want
the competition? The KIP academies all the acknowledge is power.
Academies all over the country love them. These people. That's
why they say that evil for you to take a

(30:58):
child that send in the school twelve years not being
able to read. They just did a pope see an
end gifts gave us and say, sixty three percent of
American children can read. And that's sixty three percent. And
we're not talking about the ones that don't read. Well,
this is proficient and everything else. If you can't read,
you can't do anything. And they have these stats and

(31:20):
they say full speed ahead, and then they'll still fight
against school choice and plays like Baltimore where not one
school is proficient in mathematic and science, Detroit the same.
They know what they're doing. It works for them. It's
a modern day plantation system. Like those slave masters knew
what he was doing. Don't teach him to read. Because
an educated man cannot be a slave, an educated man

(31:41):
cannot be a dependent, an educated man will not be controlled.
So what do you do? Keep going educated betically?

Speaker 1 (31:47):
And I think that's a key point. I know we
experienced that in Afghanistan. We said that there is no
way this whole happened in the first generation, two to
three generations away from this working, because they have to
see the success. Yes, they have to see, hey, I
made this investment and now because of this it's gotten better.

(32:09):
And I think I think that's the key is how
do you get the message out that like there number one,
there is a choice, yes, but number two that choice
can do a lot of good things.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Well, we're almost there, Toss Trump is he's just mailing
the Department of Education right now. A lot of states,
a lot of states have school choice programs and they're
expanding them incrementally. A lot of a lot of red
states to blue states still fight against them. But as
people start seeing that the red states have these school
choice programs, as you know, you already have the mass
migration back to the Red states. South Carolina and Tennessee

(32:44):
and Florida and Texas are just booming. And Texas just
started a school choice program and so as these school
choices in Florida has real nice men, and so as
these programs pick up, Steve and there's a children get
old and older, we can start this testing them better.
I think Florida is saying, there's like maybe three years
Desat's got a real good school choice program down in Florida.

(33:06):
So you you can you can assess what the children
are doing. And I think that that's going to be
our way out of this quagmire by teaching children again,
like you said, holding them accountable, teaching, putting guardrails in
front of them and letting them understand absolutes, making it binary,
it's it's it's not. It's not right to give a
child all of these different options, because the child's gonna

(33:27):
always take the easiest one. I used to love being
at home when my daddy went there, because we could
do what I wanted to do. As soon as the
old man comes home, it stops. The guardrails go up there.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
But it taught you disciplined in order and product and
you were productive, and you were productive all the foolish
and Mama that that's what we wanted to do. We
get away with all kind of craping.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Mama not too busy, she was too bit, she's too tired.
She going to the closed room with the door and
go to sleep. And we just be running off through
the house. But when Dad comes, it stops. Every thing.
It's done, everything's orally, everything's right. And it kept us
and he had four sons, so it kept us out
of trouble. And I love him today. For my dad's

(34:10):
eighty three years old. And I just told and I
just sa the Ma every time I see him how
much I loved him that he was mean as hell.
Now I was growing up, but I see why you
had to do it. Now. He's just nice, gentle old guy,
but he understood that he had to keep his sons
in line so that we did not end up in
jail or dead or strung out on dope. And he
did it.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
I think for me, I think when you look at
kind of evolution of what the federal government used to
be and what state governments were, it's almost like they
flip floped. Yeah, law and order is at the federal
system now because you have an executive branch that is
actually going and being aggressive. So how how do we

(34:52):
get the word out there to people and say, hey,
look at what Trump is doing. You might like it,
dislike it, or whatever, but it's still moving forward. But
how do we prepare local and state governments for this
responsibility that they haven't had before, that the Department of
Education had, Because if the localities aren't prepared for it

(35:13):
really doesn't it doesn't. I mean, I guess the example
you gave in New Orleans, maybe it's going to be
like you're you're you're gonna have to figure it out.
We're going to give you the framework but you're going
to follow the framework, and maybe that's the answer. Maybe
the answer is framework, figure it out.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
You know what, one of the coolest things that are happened
within the last five six years. It's like when Rush
got on AM radio. They cut FM out for us.
They didn't want us own FM because they controlled FM
with all the music and whatnot. And then Rush went
on to AM. But people people have a farm, reports
and stuff like that, right, and people started listening, and

(35:50):
then everybody else started going on AM radio. And AM
radio became the talk radio and became the place where
con service went to hear the truth. And that's where
Reagan came from, you know, and that where Bush came from.
And now what has happened. They cut us out of
cable television. You know, we're you're seeing in the MSNBC, ABCC.
We only had basically Fox It maybe newsbacks. But now
what's happened. Podcasts like you and I out there now

(36:12):
and they can't control this space. And Trump went into
that space this last time, and Rogan and Patrick Batt,
David and many others and one and then just people
like me and you out here talking about what was
going on, and people listening again and something happened in
the black community that was amazing them. Republicans never got

(36:33):
eighty percent of the Black vote since Reconstruction, I mean
to the twenty percent. Democrats has been getting ninety percent
and above, and that's how they win that ninety percent above.
Anything below ninety it becomes problem, very hard for them.
We finally broke into that and it went down to

(36:53):
eighty percent. And Trump's landslide came from that. It came
from the fact that he won full of deaf He
he not didn't win it. He got more votes in
Philadelphia there was, but he got enough because he had
lost philis baby like ten thousand votes the first time.
I think he lost seven states by forty thousand votes.
We made all of that up. See, we knew where

(37:15):
they hit and we knew who to talk to. So
me being a black conservative talking to people in Atlanta,
talking to people in Philly, I did black SIT's pieces,
and Philadelphia I did money Detroit. I was doing them
all in black communities and black people were showing up.
That's showing up with my books. They're showing up the

(37:36):
saying they've listened to my podcast. They've showed up talking
about Wen. You know, your podcast is Mussy TV. We
get around the TV and neighbors coming. We watch it
together and we are telling people come watch this, and
it's changing their minds. They are finally seeing it because,
as I've said before on my podcast, you got three
types of Democrats. They call them ice democrats, Ice, ignorant,

(38:00):
crazy and evil. Are ignorant. They just don't know. Hell,
I didn't know when I was young. So I understand
that you're getting your information from the preacher, from you know,
black radio, uh, from the NAACP, and then from black politicians.
So you're so you're ignorant. Then you got the ones
that are crazy. You've seen them get on dope, got yeah,

(38:23):
sometimes homeless, you know they they they we pray for him.
It ain't much you can do for him. You don't
make fun of them, you don't try to hurt them.
You pray for him. And then you got the evil
and those are the ones that run the party. They
know exactly what they're.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
They're taking advantage of the eye in the sea.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
There you go. They know exactly what they're doing. They're
they're there. There's Joe Biden said he's a Catholic, but
he's both a nine months abortion that bring these illegals
over him sleeping on the streets like dogs. Have these
people walk thousands of miles to come up and then
get them sanctuary in these cities and knowing that they're
going to be sleeping in alleyways and then going to
super evil people you know that want to do transient

(39:04):
operations as children they understanding you saw, Mike, Mike Walsh
did that show this video of this woman at Vandabild
Hospital saying that if we catch them young, we can
make one hundreds of thousand dollars off of them. One
hundred thousand dollars for the operation and then a million
dollars for the hormones that we have to.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Give care that they would need to maintain that.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
And now that the government is paying for it and
insurance is paying for it, we need to get in
on this. And it became a money making deal for them.
And so they're trying to catch children because this is
when they're valuable. See, they ain't gonna transition me into you.
They missed they wonder us right right, but when you so,
where do you go? Children? Twelve thirteen, fourteen years old.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Where their brain has a development it is and and
you're going to tell them what the new normal was. Yeah,
and they're gonna get they're gonna go, oh, that sounds
pretty good.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
And it turned into a social contagion, okay, And they've
happened before. And they say that if the little girls
are in a group, if one girl becomes transgender, they said,
the whole group turns transgender. And and and these therapists
are seeing this in groups of girls coming up saying
they're transgender, and they take advantage of it. Well, hell man,
this is free money. And so they they first it's

(40:16):
the therapy, then it's the drugs, then it's the operation,
and then it's it's it's giving them a homeowner in
in inside perpetuity. It's the money making scam for these people.
This is why I say they're evil. But when you
explain to people, and this is something that we didn't
do very well, we didn't put in a box. We
talk about these things and most people say, oh, that's terrible,

(40:38):
Oh that's horrible, Oh that's evil. But we just say
the Democrats are doing it. We just let them think
it's out there.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
And it doesn't you don't share the driving exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
It's like when AIDS came out, we knew people were
dying of something, and then doctor Gallo finally found the
AIDS virus and he said, that's it. And when they
found the virus, we knew how to combat it. They
have started. So when you said it's the Democratic Party
that's doing this, people said what. So you know, my
dad was one of those old Kennedy, you know Democrats.
And when I said down and told my daddy about

(41:08):
nine month abortion, he said something that's murdered. He said, Dad,
that's your party. Now he said, no, it's not. You're
not shouted to him. Now. I told him this obamacaret
to sex change operations. He said what I explained to
him what it was, because he said, a gender affirming care. Okay,
But when you said no, that that's castrating a little boy,

(41:29):
and he he couln't even wrap his mind around that
cutting off the breast of little girls. And then when
I explained it to him, and I said, so, you know,
if you're voting for these people, that's what you're voting for.
Your complicity inness And first time in his life he
vote against the Democratic Party. See I can't do it.
They left me. I said, Dad, today, you didn't leave them,
They left you, and he understood. And that's what I

(41:52):
tell people. I had an opportunity to go to the
church in Memphis, Tennessee, world overcomers, ten thousand member church,
biggest Black church in the South. The minister of the
pastor was a guy by named Alton and Williams. Alton, strong,
cold conservative. He couldn't preach too much politics in this
poor pit, but he preached enough of it for this congregation.

(42:13):
Of who he was he wanted you bought me in
for Black History Month. And when I went back there
to meet with him, I said, okay, after this is
your church. What is it that I can't say? He said,
for you, nothing me I got to do. But for you,
I bought you here. I bought you here to tear
it down. Tell him what's going on? I said, all right,

(42:35):
can you show me? Said I'm sure. When I told
Sean Handy and Tucker I was going, they took back
to how long I was gonna be alive? I said,
but this is five miles Marticuther King jin't got killed.
And I got up there, man, and I did my
spill it's on my it's on my channel. I did
the speech. I got five standing ovations at the end
of it. My dad was there, my brothers and sisters

(42:55):
were there, the people.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
But that was that was almost home to ye. It
was because you in school down there, it.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Was and why? And I walked up there, and the
devil got in my head and he said, Man, you're
gonna get up there, you'n make a fool out of yourself.
They gonna boo you off that stage. You're gonna be
in bashed in front of your your family, your home town.
And ain't gonna be nobody gonna be up there to
save you. And when I walked up there, I did
not know how I was gonna receive by that crown.
I had no idea. But when I started talking about

(43:24):
my walk with Christ, how you have to choose a side.
Are you gonna serve God or man? Are you gonna
do what Jesus said when he went up to that
that that man that had been sitting by the pool
for forty years, And Jesus walked up to him and said,
do you want to be made home? People that Jus
won't and patted him, Oh, do you want to be

(43:44):
made old. No, he looked at it. Probably contempt. You
been how long? Forty years? Man? Do you want to
be made home? Well? Yes? Then he gave three Come in, rise,
take up your bed, and walk right hell wrong with you?
He stood up and down. I said, that's salny Kirk confrontation.

(44:06):
You a man or not? Where else I am? Why
an't you acting like one? Oh man? You cold? Yeah,
I'm cold. But you've seen it, haven't you better? Also,
you've seen Joe that I got more. Excuse me, no, no,
now the crackhead gone to jail about everything about how
he can't make it, this and that and the other.
And you just said, up, man, you're a man or
not in the story and then they say I'm a man?

(44:27):
All right? Then I'll help you. And like I said,
if you need a good appreciate I take you to one.
You need a job, I'll help you find one. If
you need to learn to read write, I'll get you
into a program to teach you that. Short of that,
I'm not gonna live in condemnation for you. You're gonna make
me feel bad about something somebody did one hundred and
fifty years ago before I was even born gonna tell
me because of what to color my skin? Hells out, man.

(44:48):
I had to work for everything I got. This is America.
Nobody gives you anything. My last name is not Rockefeller
or Kennedy. I had to earn it. And if you're
willing to work, you'll earn it it now. Short of that,
and you've hurted me, say this, if you come try
to take anything from me or mine. I got two
things that's gonna get you off of me, and that's
Jesus and my thirty eight You better not try me.

(45:11):
Short of that thought, I'll help you in anything, right.
And that's why I love this place here. The people
up here are the best people in the world. Man.
They say I might be proba, I ain't lazy. Right there,
you get pull your car in a ditch, befive go
I stopping behind you, pull you out. You know they'll
go hunting that you leave us side of meat on
your on your porch with a little note for you

(45:33):
mass if the harvest is time to go in there
guard they leave you some leaving some leaving some corn
up there on the just good people, but them hardcore
women and men of Jesus, and they hold each other
to a standard. And that standards got nothing to do
with your money or how big your house is. What
type of human man are you?

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah, what are you contributing?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
That's it? What type of man? What type of woman
are you? And and and that's how you show your worth. See,
these are the lessons. We got to go back to,
those lessons of when those men fought in the American
Revolution and beat the British army. What did they do?
Y'all just went back home like it never happened. I
did my duty and I went back home. George Washington
went back to Mount Running. They all went back home,

(46:14):
and they just became Americans.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
So how so in going to Charlie's funeral and everything else,
where do they go from here? Where does America go
from losing the states?

Speaker 2 (46:26):
And like that, Charlie is irreplaceable, But what he did,
I mean, you've you've seen this guy's stuff. Charlie was
just a whole other level.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
I've never seen someone that could be firm, fair and honest, yeah,
and still care about the person.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
And feelss Yeah, just go up there in front of
thousand people to beside, ask me anything. Charlie walking into
the room knowing he was a spot at your hand there.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah, and I think that's crazy. I think what people
don't realize from what everything that I've seen is is
it didn't used to be. I have two hundred people
in the background supporting me into two or three outlayers
that are coming into like question what I did. It
used to be the other way around, and those probably
those three or four are probably not going to be

(47:14):
really vocal. They might come up to them after the
show and say, hey, I appreciate you coming here and
me and that person.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
So yeah, Charlie will go in and what they're doing
now turning point, they're putting chapters up in almost every
high school and every college, and they're going to be
debating societies where children who have been afraid to speak
are now going to speak, and they're going to debate
these issues, and they're going to debate. And Christians are

(47:41):
going to debate other Christians. Now, you know, sometimes people
of faith now a lot of things in common, abortion, LGBTQ,
things like that. People of faith are going to talk
to other people of faith about making sure that they
are Faith is the thing that leads them in the
political realm. Every part of your life should be led

(48:04):
by how you walk with God. Your religion is your foundation,
and we've made it a hobby, something that we pick
up and do when we want to. And Charlie Kirkle said, no,
it's not that. It's not that he challenges men to
be men of God. He challenges women to be women
of God. And with the feminism craze around, that's a
real tough one because if you ask a woman to

(48:26):
do something like why you want to men to your husband?
What do you mean some men? He said, hold on, now,
let's talk about this. It's it's it's uh, it's it's it's.
It turns into a fight if you want to talk
to a you know, of some church about maybe what
what they talk about? A whole lot of women being
preachers or or or or ministers in the poor pit.

(48:49):
All they want to get mad. I don't care what
the Bible says. It's it's it's a pride thing. C. S.
Lewis said that our the biggest saying is pride. He said,
it is the most damnable of all, said all sin
comes from pride. That Satan it was pride and lead
him to rebellions God and we have this pride, especially
in America, and we talk about it open gay pride,

(49:13):
black pride, LGBTQ pride, hispanic I mean proud, and God said,
I hate pride inside just liked it. I hate it
and and and and and and and it's the it's
the opposite of being humble. I ask my dad when
I was a boy, you always make sure I said, yes, sir,
no hurt to everybody. I said, yes, sir, no cert

(49:34):
the people I don't even know, He says, So listen,
these people have knowledge and they have access. You can
only get their knowledge if you're humble. If you walk
up to them and you play football right, the coach
calls you, and you like coach knows, go this and out.
He knows you're not listening. But you run there. You
look at the coach, say yes, sir, yes, look yes sir.

(49:56):
He'll say, okay, so I go do it because coach
know you're humble. If you go back, U my bad, coach,
I'm sorry, what did I do wrong? Right? And the
coach sit down and show you, but I ain't doing nothing.
You're the coach can go sit down right, But yes, sir, no, sir, yes, ma'am. Nos.
It shows you you're humble, that you're ready to receive information.
Your pride has been put to the side, but you

(50:17):
walk up there with pride. Can't nobody help you? And
I understood that, and you and I both know and
you man got you understand this. When people come to
you and that pride thing, you get all right now,
But that's somebody come you off. So I'm sorry, and
I you know, I I was, I was driving too fast.
Yo ya yoyo. The mean a change is completely against

(50:38):
that person. And it's a human element. We have too
much pride. And Jesus was the most humble servant that
there was. You remember when you watched his disciples feet Peter
got an attitude. Oh no, no, no, no, no, you
ain't watched my money. He said, Peter, it's always you,
it's always you. Right, I have to humble myself. I'm
your servant, right, And you said you're gonna have to

(50:59):
do the same thing. You got to humble yourself. And
that's hard the same for us to do because black people,
especially was talling in the civil rights movement to be prideful.
This is why I didn't like about it. Jesus said,
you change the heart. We want to use the law.
We wanted to expedite it by going to Washington as
opposed to dealing with our neighbors, dealing with a man

(51:22):
on man person the person, and it would have slowly
and it would have been organic and it would have
been right. Instead, you come down and you have the
federal government put a gun to your neighbor's head and
then he bows his back, and you never reconcile. And
Billy Graham wanted to start a crusader Martin Luther King Jr.

(51:43):
As Billy Graham did. Billy Graham would not have a
segregated campaign. Everybody's coming. If I hold a meaning, everybody's invited.
If I go into a stadium, everybody is invited, and
I'm going to proclaim Christ to everyone. And Billy Graham's
saved more so that anybody did behind that. Martin Luther
King Jr. Never act called people the altar, never told

(52:06):
them to profess christis their savior. He went to government
and say use the gun on your neighbor. And people
want to say that's virtuous, it's not. That's not how
we Christians do it. We talk to one another, We
give for a banished to one another, We forgive one another,
we pray for one another, and at the end of
the day, we love one another. And that's what we

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have to talk about more than anything, loving one another,
helping one another, showing the real character of God to
our neighbors, like we did at Charlie's you know, Memorial.
The whole world saw it and they're gassed at it.
And then you know, the liberals, it's like the prayer
meeting people fessing Christ and they and they hate black people.

(52:49):
That man, you need the black people there, good gracious.
Now they equate being black with being lazy and needing
govern and being on government programs, and then if you
take those away, then you're somehow racist, and they're the
real racist because that's not what being black on American is. Yeah,

(53:11):
we believe in the social safety now, we believe in that,
but it shouldn't be a hammock. We believe we're supposed
to enable people and encourage people and say, okay, sir,
give them the tools. One of your children. Come back
home today. Done hit the wall man and lost. Everything's okay,
So come on home, get stepped together. Enough about maybe
three or four days. Okay, what's your plan?

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Locking your wounds and then going back towards right?

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Dad should have to get back on your feet. But
you gotta get you gotta get back on that horse
and riding now. And you encourage you and you press
him to do it. That's where love comes from. Oh
you come home three years lady, laying on your cause
and got stat man, you haven't done that boy any good?

Speaker 1 (53:46):
So I have one more question for you, and I
think from my standpoint, we've done a lot of law
enforcement on this show. How does law enforcement do a
better job communicating with the and read that we service
and say we're not here to commit acts of violence

(54:06):
against you or anything else, but we will uphold the law.
And if you choose violence, we will meet violence. Yes,
with violence.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
There's two things I've seen long enforce to get back
very regular at lately. Showing mercy. You catching guys speeding right,
let them go? Yes, sir, you know you check his license? Okay, man,
you're straight slow down right? Yeah. Showing showing showing mercy
because your justice is law terper with mercy, so showing
shawan mercy. And two they've gotten much better at when

(54:36):
there is a confrontation with the citizen. They don't go
to the low level of the citizen. So the citizen
citizens starts cutting out the office the officer, the curse back. Okay,
you know, count on the groundley making brains up. They
started stopping a lot of that. They've been more professional

(54:57):
when it confidently, no matter what the citizen does, you
pick sir, ma'am, please, lord your tone please. You know,
they they've gotten much more professional as opposed to And
you've watched cops like me when they're cussing people like, oh,
you got it and that's bad.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
I mean, I admit it. That was that was that
was me. Yeah uh And and like I said, you're right,
we can do better.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, you you you are professional with the citizen, right
because like you, as you've seen when you go to
these fast food restaurants, well anywhere, they said, the customer
is always right. Boy of that gun's customer. You're raising
all kind of sand and the person behind the things says, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes.
But at the end of the day, they're gonna make
that decision about whether or not they're gonna sell this
item to I'm gonna take the item back or whatever.

(55:42):
So you got off the control right if you're gonna
arrest and you're gonna arrest him, if you're gon put
the com cross, so you're gonna taze him, You're gonna
do what you're gonna do. So when when when When
when law enforcement and and and and I was a
congressional officer, When we start showing the same attributes as
the people that are the I okay, it's hard. It's

(56:02):
hard for the public to distinguished between the between between them.
So I've seen law enforcement get much much better at
being much more professional and how they handle the citizenry,
showing mercy to the citizen ry, allowing you know, some guys,
you know, if you catch me, he ain't too drunk,
said hey man, I'm gonna follow you home, okay. And

(56:25):
because I don't want you to lose your job. I
don't want you to go in from the judge. I
don't want your name in the paper. I don't want
your children knowing about this. And that guy is going
to tell you, man, thank you.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
So I'll end with the story that goes right with that.
I was it was probably midway through my career stopped
the guy, and he was like, look, I got a
wife at home. I'm the sober a winner for this household.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Man.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
If I get it, If I get a DUI I'm
not going to survive this. And I was like, all right, well,
I said who who do you? Who do you want
me to call? And he said, whatever you do, don't
call me wife. She's at home with two young kids. Wow,
you know I called his wife. About two years later,
I was getting my hair cut and the lady cut
my hair. She was like, you know a friend of mine,
and she said that dude didn't. They ended up being

(57:13):
mutual friends, and she said that dude has never drink
since then because he didn't lose his job. But I
will tell you when when Mama showed up, she did
more than any judge would do or anybody else would do.
She corrected that behavior.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
There you go. There it is so.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
I appreciate it. I appreciate your time. I appreciate everything
that you're doing. I didn't realize how involved you were
in some of the stuff that Turning Point was doing.
And I just think it's amazing having the voice that
you've had and having the impact you've had so well.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Brother, it's fun. Especially when we won the election last year,
we saw that there were benefits behind it, you know,
all the work we had done. I was in I
was in Fort lot of I was on the stage
of candids On and Dave Smith, Pat bat Davids and
that was thousands of people there at this thing. And
I didn't understand it, but people just supposed to be
They wanted to be around each other. They wanted to

(58:09):
be able to celebrate together because we anticipated a Trump
win and we got there, there were people everywhere I
got on the stage. We were supposed to entertain the
people while the night was going through. Dude, I was
up there for from like nine o'clock to sixty three
in the morning, and I had to catch a flight
to Kassas City. We were speaking at nine o'clock. It
was electric. And when he won, that place where crazy

(58:35):
and we all started celebrating and we said, America's not
insane that it rejected this crazy, insane policy of the
Democratic Party. And then when I checked how did we
do in the black community, they said, for the first time,
the Democrats did not get ninety percent of the black
vote since the eighteen hundred. As matter of fact, this

(58:57):
is the most of the black vote the Republican Party
has gotten since reconstruction. And I said, Glory, howdylujah. We
finally found a way to make the death and we
made people like you, people like me, people like Apel
shot men, people that are on the podcast and going
out there and spending their time telling the truth. We're

(59:18):
not waiting for the gatekeepers anymore. We're saying we're going to.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Talk taking our message directly to the general public.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
And it scares the at least to death, don't it,
because they can't compete with the truth.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Have invested in the what are the called legacy media.
There you go, and you know they're going to repeat
the same story.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Same story, and then they then they hear the truth
from us, and we say, no, check this out. You'll
find that it's true. And now the people are waking
up and it's it's it's like when Gutenberg and then
at the printing press right right, everything opened up, And
now this is opened up. So now we can all
speak in an amazing to old guys like you, me

(59:57):
and you gonna have own TV show and asking nobody
a permission at all, where back in the day they
had to decide.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
You know, you can't be we don't want, we don't want,
we don't want to hear anything got on. They would
they would like cut it up so much that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
You didn't recognize exactly. And our technology has gotten to
a point and they're trying to stop it. Of course
they're trying to stop they're trying to shadow band and
censoring all this and all that. But but they can't
stop it. Man. The truth crash to the ground, will
rise again, and we'll tell them the truth. And just
like Charlie walked into Oxford, did you see that you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
And and the thing is is the humility of I
do not have the education that you have and and
just admitting that I don't, I don't have it. And
I saw the one where he was talking to the
young lady and he was he basically said like and
his argument and his it was it was him taking

(01:00:52):
his life experience and explain to her like hey, and
he did it in such a way where I don't
feel like she felt like she was stupid or anything else.
It was like it to me, it was it captured
what institution of higher learning should be is bring somebody
in that you may or may not agree with, but
have a civil conversation and then realize the humanity of

(01:01:15):
and each one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Of the like you said that he was an Oxford
debating and they were going back and forth, and Oxford
is good. They bought they bought Malcolm X there like
in the sixties, and they're good at doing this. And
I'm glad to see that they did it. And we're
glad to see the outside one because when it comes
to ideas, our ideas are better, they just.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Oh, they're not from this world. That's why.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Yeah, exactly, there's a higher power. It's sure, brother, and
that's what we adhere to. And our Bible has been
the best selling book in the world for the last
two thousand years for a reason. All your answers are there,
and that was Charlie Kirk's's superpower. He always like boxing,
you go back to the jab. Charlam went right back
to the Bible every time, and his answer was always there.

(01:01:58):
That's what I do too, I go right back to
my Bible. It led me to exactly where I am.
And that's how I mean. Charlie converged. I did a
book called twenty five Lives, and my agent had me
on Charlie's show. Tell you this real quick at Charlie
So so I so, I bet I'd heard of Charlie.
But Charlie was young. Charlie died young. He was thirty
one years old when he died. So this was like

(01:02:19):
maybe three years ago. Charlie was like twenty eight. Look,
it's not no dude, for what I'm concerned, right, I was.
I'm sixty two now, so I was like maybe fifty
nine then. But I'd heard of Charlie and I've seen
this stuff, and I knew he had a show. And
I said, but I'd done Hannity and Tucker and all
these big shows, so I'm but doing Charlie was all right.
So anyway, yeah, and you know how it is when
you do one of these interviews, I'm kind of spits

(01:02:39):
screen and before you do the interview, you're kind of
waiting for the guy to show up. So I'm there early,
and I'm sitting there and Charlie comes, says in his show.
He sits down and I see him and he says, oh, hey, Vince,
how you doing. I'm signed him some fun with him. Hey,
that's how you doing? This is what you called me? Boy?
He said, sir, I said, you called me. That's how
old are you? He says, I'm twenty eight. I said,

(01:03:02):
when I'm fifty nine. Well you called me miss Allison.
He said, I'm sorry, Miss Selson. I'm sorry, and I
just started laughing. I said, I'm just messing with you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
To come on, dude, was kidding, Like, what have I done?

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
I g from her and we had the interview man
and we became fast friends. Afterward, Charlie and I nerd
it out on John Locke. We didn't, you know people
most men nerd out on beer and watching football. We
talked about John John Locke after for an hour. You know,
the second Treaties of government, that your rights come from God.
They're unavailable, They're irrevocable, non transferable, unsellable. And we just

(01:03:36):
talked about that and we just and after that we
became fast friends. I started speaking for tp USA because
Charlie saw that we were right here. We came together
baseball on our Bible, our beliefs as men. We believe
there was no flaw in the Bible, and that all
your answers are there, and that if ever you had
a question, that's where you went, and that's where we

(01:03:57):
are all our answers from. And we became fast friends, and
we gotta be kind of bonded.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
On that man. This has been a great experience for me,
and I hope to catch it at some point, but
you got a really big head start, So thanks a
lot for coming on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
You ain't gonna just catch me, You're gonna pass it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
I don't know that, all right, Thanks a lo