Truth with J.J. Carrell EP213 - From Ally to Assassin: The Alarming Probability That Israel Orchestrated Charlie Kirk's Fatal Campus Shootin

Truth with J.J. Carrell EP213 - From Ally to Assassin: The Alarming Probability That Israel Orchestrated Charlie Kirk's Fatal Campus Shooting

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Massive human trafficking and a record two hundred and eighty
people arrested.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
If they're not recording the real numbers, the numbers are
segmented and they are fictitious.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
I started my career in nineteen ninety seventy United States
bar Patrol. It was one of the most violent times
in recent Borgtual history. I made my bones and my
reputation on that border. I believe what is happening on
the border today is intentional.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
We have people in the United States of America that
breed children in order to sell them.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Our own government is facilitating the absolute destruction of the
American immigration system, and I could prove it point by point.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I'm unafraid to speak the truth. This is just data
driven and experience driven.

Speaker 5 (00:43):
Before I let you go, I want you to address
one thing, and I've been just the absurdity of it.
Some of the Internet rumors that somehow Israel is behind
the Charlie Kirk murder, and I don't believe it for
one second, but I want you to make a statement.

Speaker 6 (00:59):
It's so that's insane.

Speaker 7 (01:00):
That's insane. Israel also changes the orbit.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Of the moon.

Speaker 7 (01:07):
Israel pushes the sun. I mean the whole thing is
it's not only insane, it's I think it's so absurd,
so stupid, so stupid, and so ridiculous. You can't believe
that people are saying that they just found the perpetrator.
They'll get to the bottom of this, but they go.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
You know, they have no limits.

Speaker 7 (01:30):
When you hate Jews, when you hate the Jewish state,
you're willing to say anything and promote all these absurd,
absurd rumors. And by the way, they're willing to kill
us all the time. I mean, that's what they're doing.
And you know, over the centuries when Jews, especially in
the Middle Ages, the horrific Middle Ages, the worst things

(01:50):
were said about Jews.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
You can possibly.

Speaker 7 (01:52):
Believe, we were poisoning the wells, we were drinking the
blood of Christian children, you name it. I mean these
things that continued. Actually up to the Hall of Costs.
The Nazis said the same thing. You know, we're carrying vermin,
we're spreading disease, and people believed it. And every time
they believed that this was a prelude to a greater

(02:13):
and greater massacre, culminating with the worst massacre of them all,
the Holocaust. Well since then, we've learned a when people
spread these lies about us, prepare yourself for the assault.
And you know they're trying to delegitimize the state of Israel.
Charlie Kirk said to me that he wrote me this
detail letter. You have to fight the slander, these untruth

(02:34):
these vilifications have consequences, And he was right.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
But I'll tell you one thing.

Speaker 7 (02:39):
We're fighting on the battlefield against the terrorists and winning,
and he was fighting in the battlefield of ideas, and
I think he was winning. He was going to win.
That's why they shot him. I hope they don't silence him.
I don't think people will give into these ridiculous, ridiculous lies, but.

Speaker 8 (02:57):
I don't think it's helpful for people to particularly foreign
heads of state, to say this is what he lived
for my cause or whatever. That's disgusting. Actually, don't do that.
That turns everybody off. You don't help your own cause
by doing that. And it's also literally untrue.

Speaker 9 (03:12):
But Charlie was very clear that he could support Israel,
and by the way, he did eventually support the strikes
on the nuclear facility, while simultaneously saying no more.

Speaker 10 (03:23):
This can't become a bigger thing. This can't become a
broader thing. And again, I think he modeled a really
good way of applying pressure of disagreeing when you do disagree,
but also recognizing that so long as you're operating in
good faith, we're all part of the team. And that's
something I'm going to try to take from Charlie's legacy,
is not that we're always right, not that we can't

(03:44):
take criticism, but that we all should try to work together.

Speaker 8 (03:48):
It did worry me because I think your description is perfect.
He's one of the very few who took that message
and stood by it. I mean, right to the very end.
This cannot get bigger. We don't want Ano hirishame change war.
But man, some of the people who send money to
Turning Point. His donors were very tough on him, so
tough on him that I could feel it. You know,

(04:08):
I talked to him a lot in the last few months,
and he was under enormous pressure. He never bent, he
never became better.

Speaker 9 (04:14):
He kept his integrity to the very end, to the
very end.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
And I just think it's important and Jewish donors, they
have a lot of explaining to do, a lot of
decoupling to do, because Jewish donors have been the number
one funding mechanism of radical open border, neoliberal, quasi Marxist policies,
cultural institutions, and nonprofits. This is a beast created by

(04:39):
secular Jews, and now it's coming for Jews, and they're like,
what on earth happened? And it's not just the colleges,
it's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all
of it. It's like time for you guys to wake
up and say no more, draw a line in the sand.
I don't care if you hate me, right, but if
I have any deviation of a purity test, any deviation whatsoever,

(05:02):
such as hosting a focus group, right, Meghan with a
bunch of our students that went viral, having Dave Smith
or Tucker at my event, it is all of a sudden, Oh,
Charlie is as he's no longer with us and all that.
So wait a second, what do you mean? What is
with us?

Speaker 11 (05:18):
Mean?

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Exactly right?

Speaker 4 (05:20):
I'm an American, Okay, Like I represent this country and
I don't even understand that paradigm. But Meghan, I think
you would agree with this. I want to make sure
we fast, like really zero in on this personality types
like you, myself and Tucker. The more that you guys
privately and publicly call our character into question, which is

(05:43):
not isolated, right, Megan, it would be one thing that
was one text or two texts, it is dozens of texts. Yes,
then we start to say hold the boat here. And
to be fair, some of my really good Jewish friends
are like, that's not all of us, it's all but
these are leaders too, though, right, these are these are stakeholders, right,
And so look, I I'm afraid because again I want

(06:06):
you you probably get the negative, Oh, you're just shilling
for Israel.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
Whatever.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna do what's right, regardless of
the feedback.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Right.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
But then all of a sudden, like I host a
person that I moderate the debate of my right right
and I give equal time to Josh Hammer, equal time
to a pro Israel advocate, and my moral character is
being put into question, and so I just I think
it's a hyper paranoid like we're just gonna try to

(06:37):
We're gonna just stamp out everything type type of practice.
But it goes to the point where if, for example,
if I I have less abilities sometimes online to criticize
the Israeli government about backlash than actual Israelis do. And
that's really really weird, isn't it, Megan, that's not right,

(06:58):
wrong headed Israel many times, the whole country's a fortress.
When I first heard this story, I still have the
same gut instinct that I did initially. I find this
very hard to believe. I've been to that Gaza border.
You cannot go ten feet without running into a nineteen
year old with an AR fifteen or an automatic machine
gun as an IDF soldier. Right, the whole country is surveilled.

(07:21):
And let me just kind of go through this. We
don't talk about Israeli politics very often, and most Americans
don't know this. The last nine months Israel was on
the brink of civil war. It's not an exaggeration. This
judicial stuff. There were hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking
to the streets because bb Netnyah, who is basically redefining
the Israeli constitution. That's not an exaggeration, right, he said,
the judicial branch is too much power. There were protests

(07:44):
planned this week against Netanyahu, where they anticipated tens of
thousands of people to take to the streets.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
That's all gone.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Patrick Netanyahoo now has an emergency government and a mandate
to lead. I'm not willing to say to go so
far that saying that net Nyah who knew or there
was intelligence here? But I think some questions need to
be asked. Was there a stand down order? Was there
a stand down order? Six hours? I don't believe it.

(08:11):
Israel's the side size of New Jersey. When I took
a helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border, it's
forty five minutes, six hours they're live streaming the killing
of Jews. Was that somebody in the government say stand down?
That is a legitimate, non conspiracy question. The whole country
is the idef The whole country is yeah, And you're

(08:34):
trying to tell me that they're going to concerts and
kibbutzes and schools. And by Charlie, we pushed backed against
the media on COVID, on lockdowns, on Ukraine, on the border,
on so maybe we should also ask a question is
the media totally presenting the truth when it comes to Israel?
Just a question, you know that maybe we shouldn't believe
everything the media says, because I know I've been conditioned

(08:57):
to ask a lot more critical questions over the last
couple of years, so Ben, some people would accuse Israel
of wanting to ethnically cleanse. Some people in the Israeli
government are saying again, it's all over the place, right
you have opinions all over. In your opinion, what would
a good outcome five years from now be, and how
does one respond to the claims of ethnic cleansing.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Welcome to truth with JJ Carroll. Why are we not
allowed to talk about Israel? I think it's a valid
question right now as you're watching the show, Over two
hundred and fifty, two hundred and fifty of our congressman
centers are over in Israel right now, two hundred and

(09:46):
fifty between the time Charlie Kirk was shot in the
time that there's two hundred and fifty of our senators
or state reps and all that over overseas. Our Senate,
run by the Republicans, voted to not unseal all the

(10:08):
Jeffrey Epstein documents. I don't believe in coincidences. I don't
believe things happen randomly. I don't never have. I believe
everything is tied to one another, and we are seen.
We are seeing our nation and our leaders blackmailed, coerced

(10:37):
by foreign governments. Let's say that the two hundred and
fifty State Reps congressman senators, I think it was last
month there was over one hundred and twenty senators and
congressmen from Republicans and then the Democrats went to is

(11:00):
all paid by Israel. Let's assume that right now those
two hundred and fifty State Reps congressman centers are not
in Israel. They're in Mexico City, and they're sitting there
in Mexico City, and there's mariachi bands playing, and they're drinking,
and there may be some people doing a couple of

(11:21):
lines of coke. Would you have a problem with that?
Going to education classes where they're our leaders are being
indoctrinated by another government Mexico. Would you have a problem
with that? What if I said, it's actually not in Mexico,

(11:43):
it's actually in Nigeria, You'd be okay with Nigeria. No, no, no,
it's going Our group is going to Germany.

Speaker 7 (11:55):
No.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
No, they're in England. No no, they're in Ireland. No no,
they're down in Australia. Now you get the point it
wouldn't be okay in any of those nations. I don't
want my representatives being brought in for education classes by
any other foreign government. None zero. So why are we

(12:16):
sitting here and Israel? Israel Bibi Netanyahu is now being
reported to have offered Charlie Kirk one hundred and fifty
million dollars for Charlie Kirk to be all in on
Israel propaganda. We are now hearing from Candice Owans, We're

(12:40):
hearing from Max Blumenthal, We're hearing from multi Nick Fuentes,
We're hearing from other people that are outside of each other,
that have same or different sources saying that Bill Ackman
was in a a basically a come to They're not jute,
they're not Christians, so they can't have it come to Jesus.

(13:02):
So it come to yahweh moment with Charlie Kirk in
the Hamptons where supposedly Charlie Kirk was dressed down and
told by his donors you're going to snap two son.
That must have been an impressive meeting. I'm trying to

(13:26):
I'm having a discussion with my wife last night, and
I said Charlie Kirk as incredible as he is, and
he was incredible and the company, which if you organization
that he created takes a lot of skill to create something, anything,
create anything, but to create something at that scale it

(13:49):
was not organic, was it. Now we're not finding out
as organic. We're finding out that numerous Jewish billionaires fund it.
And I think Charlie Kirk was an intellectually honest guy
and he was pushing the Israeli narrative and it got

(14:13):
to the point where he got educated by other people.
Because someone that is intelligent is Charlie Kirk is not.
He doesn't stop learning. He's constantly in taking information, digesting it,
trying to figure out what is the truth. And I
think there was no think I'm looking at I'm looking
at the videos of this man where he is all

(14:34):
in on Israel and everything and anyone against Israel is
is wrong and it's and they're wrong headed. To wait
a minute, I need to ask a question about October seventh.
Wait a minute, why why are they doing this? Why
are they doing that too? I don't want anything to
do with you people. That was a fast transformation. That

(14:57):
was not a transformation over say a year, eighteen months,
where you're kind of learning and meeting people. No, No,
this was a rapid descent from Israel, Israel Israel to
I maybe made a mistake and people like that down,

(15:19):
people like Charlie Kirk, highly highly intelligent people. That must
have been a massive amount of information that he digested
and came and then and marinated in to come to
that decision that quick. How did Charlie Kirk get to

(15:43):
be all Israel all the time? Well, his mentor this
is Rabbi Well, lickey, let's listen to him. Just listen.
I just want you to play Thomas, just a minute
of five seconds of it. Just listen to the words
that this man uses to describe his conversation or conversations
with Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
And Charlie had criticisms for the State of Israel. He
was very supportive and really loved the State of Israel
and the Jewish people, but he also had his criticisms
and it really hurt him when the Jewish community came
down on him for platforming certain speakers at his last
conference who were anti Israel and even slid into anti Semitism.

(16:24):
And while I was not happy that Charlie had given
the stage to people like Tucker Carlson who were spewing
venom about the Jewish state. I understood where Charlie was
coming from. Charlie was a big believer in the open
marketplace of ideas and allowing all opinions to be heard,
letting the best opinions win. That's why he built his
career on those famous debates, going to college campuses to

(16:48):
engage in honest dialogue, letting every opinion have its moment,
and letting people decide what is true. And therefore he
really believed to a fault, I believe in allowing every
voice to be heard. Now again, was I happy that
he was platforming people who were spewing anti Israel and
anti Semitic messages? Of course?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Isn't it funny how every time somebody has a criticism
about Israel, we hate Jews. Isn't that amazing? I criticize Iran.
I don't hate all Iranians. The Ecuadorians I really don't

(17:31):
know about them. But if I had an argument with
their president, I don't hate the Ecuadorians. So why is
it when I have a problem with Israel, I'm anti Semiti.
And listen to what that man said, Charlie Kirk, to
a fault, allowed people of all ideas to speak. Well,

(17:52):
I thought that was the point. That was the point
of how you learn. You allow everyone to speak. See Conservatives,
not Republicans. Conservatives, Christians love to allow everyone to speak
because we want to know. I want to know who
my adversary is. I want to know who the other
side is. And quite honestly, I want my beliefs challenged.

(18:17):
I want to put them through a stress test. Whenever
I'm asked to go speak on a speaking event or
somebody asked me, hey, can you come on my show,
but it's going to be a debate, love it, love it.
Un Like Charlie Kirk, I want a debate, absolutely, this
debate not because I want to get in a fight
with you. It's because this is my way of stress

(18:40):
testing my ideals, my beliefs, and then sharpening my responses,
my ability to use evidence in facts and figures to
back up my beliefs. That's why you see Charlie Kirk
when he's arguing and debating on college campuses, why he

(19:00):
seems so happy is because he is. He's stress testing
everything he believes and he's getting every time he has
a disagreement or has to have a retort back. He
is sharpening his skills. It's like being a weightlifter. I'm
going to the gym. I'm going to get bigger and stronger.
I'm a football player. I'm gonna I'm gonna run my

(19:21):
routes better. I'm gonna I'm gonna practice. That's all Charlie
Kirk was doing. He was practicing in real time in
a game. And this man, this guy that was his mentor,
someone that he bounced ideas off of. Everything's anti Semitic.

(19:45):
There's a lot of questions that need to be answered
about Israel. Have you ever asked yourself why we give
billions of dollars to a first world nation and how
that money? I'm going to answer that for you. We

(20:07):
give billions of dollars to Israel. Israel then gives it
to a pack and Apac then pours it back to
the politicians. That's how they're laundering the money. Everything, all
money's laundered through NGOs, all of it. I think it's
ninety eight percent of our politicians have a pack handlers.

(20:32):
They call them handlers, one on one handlers. How did
our Republican Senate just kill the bill that releases everything
on Epstein. Oh, a lot of people don't know that happened.
That happened a day or two after Charlie Kirk was murdered.

(20:55):
They used the chaos to continue the lie. Now they're
passing a bill or try to pass a bill that
any contractor that works for the federal government cannot boycott Israel.
What does that have to do with anything to do
with someone that's going to build something for the government,
provides some service for the government. So now as individual

(21:19):
companies and citizens can't we don't like what a country does,
We can't do that. Well, no, you can do that
with the other one hundred and ninety four countries one
hundred ninety three countries. You just can't do it to
one Israel. What yeah, yeah, all the other countries you
can boycott. You can do whatever you want, but you
can't say anything bad about Israel or boycott it. Wake up, America?

(21:44):
Can you wake up in the realm of consciousness? And
vanish still coming in? Can't wait? I really want to
hear her take on all this before we do. I

(22:07):
want to talk about SAT one two three dot com
be prepared. Do you think this is the only school
shooting is the last Minnesota one. It's going to stop
after that, right right, There's gonna be no more going
into churches and killing beautiful little kids as they kneel
in the pews praying to Jesus. You don't think that's

(22:28):
going to happen again. Don't worry about two to three
thousand people in an event, Charlie kirk and shot a
shots fired. That's never going to happen again. You're not
going to be in a mass shooting. You're not going
to be in any kind of problem. Yes you will.

(22:48):
And that's my pitch I pitch every single day about
Sat one two three is be prepared. My son has
a blistered backpack. I have one, my wife has one.
Why Why wouldn't you? That's the better question. Are you
telling me that some of the students there in that
Utah school wouldn't have loved to have been running away

(23:12):
with a black pack, a backpack cover and their back
as they're running as a shot and they're thinking there's
got to be more shots. Do you think when there
is another flood and all the cables are cut and
your internet and your phone lines and your communications shot

(23:34):
and you're sitting there and you're just like, oh my god,
please let my child be okay. I got to get
a hold of my child. Where's my child, where's my wife,
where's my husband? Oh? My son has a SAT phone?
My wife, my daughter has a satphone. Let me call
that SAT phone. I have connectability. If I have connectability,

(23:58):
I can make plans. And if I can make plans,
I can survive. And if I can survive, then we
have another day to live. I know you feel on
some level what I feel. And what I feel is
some despair, some feeling of the shoe's gonna drop. I

(24:25):
have the feeling as if nothing makes sense. I have
the feeling that we are not centered as a nation.
We are not godlike, we are not we are not
within God's natural order, and therefore we feel the sense
of chaotic overload, chaos. You may not feel it the

(24:48):
way I do. You may feel it more than me,
you may feel it less. May you may pooh pooh
what I'm feeling. But you have some sense, you have
some understanding of way what I'm saying. I know you do.
That's why you're watching this show. Be prepared. Just do
me a favor and Go to sat onetwothree dot com.

(25:10):
Just go there and just look at their products and
just ask simple questions to yourself. Do I need that?
I do that all the time. Do I need that? Yes?
I need a satphone, Yes I needed a star Link,
Yes I need a generator, Yes I need a backpack.

(25:31):
Do I need a Faraday bag? Yes? I do need
a Faraday bag. Go to sat onetwothree dot com for
slash JJ and just look and ask yourself that question.
Do I need that? This world is on fire? It's

(25:55):
just on fire? What do you believe anymore? Do you
believe that Israel has no connection to America, that has
no influence? Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein was a
lone wolf? I interviewed someone today this morning, actually, and

(26:17):
I'm going to put it up. Thomas. I think we'll
be putting that interview up of Hope Green probably tomorrow
or the next day, maybe probably on Thursday. We will
put some clips out tomorrow on it. Who is Hope
Green was MK ultra survivor Jeffrey Epstein victim. She was

(26:39):
horrifically raped, tortured for thirty one years at the hands
of the Clintons the Biden's to Obama's and she lays
it out. We talked for about an hour and a
half today, I think it was, and I asked her

(27:00):
hard questions. I asked her to be very specific. Do
you think that Epstein has no connection to the blackmail
and the uneasiness we feel in America? Why would your
government seal the evidence of Jeffrey Epstein? Honestly, stop for

(27:24):
a second and ask yourself that simple question. Why would
anyone seal evidence? Has nothing to do with me. I'm innocent,
I don't have any guilt. My family, my friends, no
one's ensnared in this horrific torture and sex trade. So

(27:46):
if I'm a if I'm a senator, I'm like, hell yeah,
I want everything to be I want everything brought the light.
Why are we hiding this? You're hiding it because the
people that are to your left and to your right
are involved in it. That why, as Intel agencies told
me when I did my documentary what is Trees and Traffic?
They told me jj the Congressman. Senators are pedophiles. Presidents

(28:12):
are pedophiles. I've interviewed two people, highly credible doctor Juliet Ingle,
and now miss Hope Green, and I've listened to other
interviews people had of MK ultra. It's all the same,

(28:35):
all the same and different. And like Hope Green said
today in our interview, she said, what I'm telling you
happened to me. No one can make up like there's
no realm in my imagination that I would concoct something

(28:56):
that like this. I just wouldn't. I couldn't. How would
I know? This same thing with doctor Juliet Ingle, this
happened to me. I know it sounds crazy. I know
it doesn't sound but it is here. It is December
twenty twenty four, there was a dump of MK ultra.

(29:16):
Dumped it. The federal government dumped it on a Friday
night in right before Christmas. I think it was dumped.
Church Commission nineteen ninety seven. Excuse me, nineteen seventy five,
excuse me said yeah, I MK Ultra was real. Operation
paper Clip was real. We brought all the Nazi scientists
over from Nuremberg, when they should have been killed. We

(29:38):
brought them over and then installed them in NASA, in
our intel agencies, in our education institutions and scientific communities,
and let them go and continue their experiments. No that's
a fact. That's a fact. It's not even a question anymore.
What is real anymore. One of my buddies text me

(30:03):
today and was just saying, I don't even know what
to believe, And I said, we are living in the matrix.
We are living in the matrix. Some of us have
taken the red pill and we're seeing things now, not

(30:23):
all of it, because we don't see all of it yet.
It has not been displayed to us. But enough has
been shown to me that I know for a fact
that I trust no one, and I don't care how
that makes me sound. I don't trust anyone anyone. I'm curious.

(30:50):
When Anne gets in here, I want to bounce these
ideas off of her and let her know what's going on.
I want to play Thomas, Can I play Number twelve?
And I want to preface this with it is impossible

(31:13):
to ignore the anti Israel beliefs raging around the world.
And the reason why I'm focusing on Israel today is
because anybody that has any intellectual honesty has to discuss this,

(31:33):
because that is everywhere. It is in every social media.
It is being talked about at nauseum by everyone. Because
something real is happening. I don't know all the answers,
but I sure as a hell not going to I'm
not going to sit here and go, oh boy, I
better not say anything bad about Israel.

Speaker 7 (31:54):
Now.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
I have some questions. There are some things that have
to be historical facts that have to be adjudicated, if
you will. So I want to bounce these ideas. I
want to. I want to. I want to stress test
my ideas with Anne, and I just want to ask
her very I have a couple videos that I want

(32:14):
to show her and just get her her perspective because
I trust her. I trust her. Her views and her
views are not always aligned with mine. They're very sometimes
they're different, not not aligned, but a different perspective, right,
And I like to see that. I like to see
that stress test on my ideals and my beliefs because

(32:38):
we are in in very strange times, very strange times.
Can you, Thomas, while we're waiting for Anne, can you
go and pull up my vault video of under the
Rainbow just to show people. I don't know if you

(32:59):
have that flip ready that you can just show it.
This is the two hundred. If Thomas can't find it,
I'm gonna explain it to you. Okay, he's got it.
This is two hundred and fifty of our legislator, state, local,
federal in Israel getting re educated. And I want you

(33:19):
to You're gonna think I'm making this up. They're being
serenaded and re educated. Watch this.

Speaker 12 (33:30):
For the rainbow words.

Speaker 7 (33:36):
Fly.

Speaker 12 (33:39):
Spirts, fly the rable. Why then, can this is yet
on the hall on the.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Biano Thomas, can you can you do what we did
on the vault? Can you just show my audience that

(34:18):
the framing of this, what that frame behind them is.
I know this is absurd. I know that you're watching
this and you're thinking to yourself, what is JJ showing?
This is obviously a spoof.

Speaker 7 (34:35):
No.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
And if you look in the backdrop, what that says
fifty states, one Israel. Repeat that, fifty states, one Israel.
Why do we have fifty states one Israel? Why is
it not fifty states United States of America? Why is
why are they being serenaded about under the rainbow? Why

(34:58):
are they getting re educated? We're educated about the importance
of Israel to America. What if that was in Germany,
what if that was in Mexico? What if that was
in Burma, we'd all have the same thing. We'd all
have the same question, what in the hell are we doing?

(35:20):
What the hell are we doing? And Vanishteel, thank you
for coming back on the show. How are you doing today?

Speaker 1 (35:33):
I'm in suspended disbelief, to be honest, I'm still I'm
still upside down about what happened last week. I haven't
fully recovered because I'm just I'm cycling through the grief
of it all, you know, I really am. I had
not been a devout follower of Charlie for the last
few years because I saw him really leaning into the
RNC rhino narrative and just way too hard into the

(35:57):
establishment shills that were taking President and Trump and his
administration his presidency down the path that they'll repute getting
behind serious rhinos. So I really missed the last three
weeks of this young man's life and his about face.
And of course we're now learning about these meetings he

(36:17):
had with Ackerman and others, and we are now learning
that he was in fear of his life. And look,
when you get a phone call from somebody the day
after our election, somebody who is a member of a
very prominent family in a country over in the Middle East.
I don't want to say which country because I'll give
away the family. But this person calls and says to you,

(36:41):
congratulations on the peaceful transference of power from Israel to Israel.
You know, he calls us, you know, the the what
do he's call us, the you know, the global elite.
But he says, you know, he's a congratulate lating the
America on our election, on the peaceful transference of power

(37:03):
from Israel to Israel. And this is somebody whose family
is very well connected in all of that. And I
don't even again, I'm not going to say which country,
which family, because I will dox this individual. I don't
want to because they're a very great, great man. He's
a great man. But when you hear that from somebody
who definitely knows because they circulate in these groups of people,

(37:24):
it's really a problem. And unfortunately, Charlie Kirk is a
victim of waking up. You know, he was he himself
was a devout Christian and you know, clearly believed in God,
but he also swallowed the narrative and he finally woke
up to the fact that there's a difference between the
nation state of Israel and actually, you know, biblical Hebrews.

(37:44):
He understands there's a difference. And he also started to
understand that they were hiding behind the word Israel or
Jew and using anti Semitic you know, narratives and tropes
to you know, deflect what they were really doing. And
this goes back decades. I mean, this goes back you
know World War two and the turn of and the
turn of all of that, and and Masad and the CIA.

(38:05):
Let's face it, the CIA and Massade. There's no daylight
between those organizations. And you know, the Prime Minister Ben
Gurion going back, you know this is this has been
a longstanding goal. You know, Ben Gurion talked about making
Jerusalem basically the capital of the world. And you know
that was their goal. So when Trump moved our embassy
to Jerusalem, it's no wonder they named the town after him,

(38:27):
Trump Heights. He was helping fulfill what the should we say,
the non biblical Hebrews of Israel we're trying to do.
And then you have to peel back and you look
at the fact that you know, Germany and the UK
and the you know, the powers that be that run
those countries are related French as well, and you wonder

(38:50):
why Israel has such a represent you know, is so
well represented in Paris, in France. And then you wonder
why do they let, you know, London fall to Islam
And you wonder why, you know, if it is truly
at war with Islam, you know, who is really creating
all this narrative, who is fomenting this civil war? Why
are we getting at it, getting it from so many different,
you know, directions. It's designed to destroy America. It's designed

(39:12):
to destroy the one country that still stands up for
the First and Second Amendment. Although after listening to pan Bonda,
you have to wonder if the First Amendment means anything
to this administration. And I know she's trying to correct
and walk it back, but it's too late. She said it.
And the fact that we still don't have a real
assessment with a real FBI going after who really killed

(39:33):
Charlie Kirk and talking about the things that Charlie Kirk
was waking up to tells us, you know, this administration
isn't ready to have that conversation. And possibly this administration
is captured by the very people who were threatening Charlie Kirk.
Candice Owens, Bravo, sister. She's out there spewing the truth.
She's irate, she is beside herself, and I stand right

(39:53):
beside her in my iron fury. I mourn the loss
of a great man who I feel badly that I
didn't pay enough at time to see the turning. But
you know what, I am not going to let that
man's murder and assassination go by in vain, as his
beautiful wife and children now left with the father. I'm
concerned about the people that are surrounding them now and
if they're going to try and steer this in there.

(40:14):
Look look at the amount of effort that Israel is
putting that Israel, the people, the government of Israel's putting
into capturing the real story of Charlie Kirk and his
relationship and what he thought of I'd like to see
Benjamin Netanyahoo produce that letter, he claims Charlie wrote. I'll
be shocked to see what comes back. I doubt it's
going to be what Charlie actually said. So this is
where I am JJ. I'm sickened, I'm in disbelief. I'm

(40:37):
going through the stages of grief, not only because of
what happened with Charlie. But where America stands and I
am hearing through grapevines, churches are coming out in force.
But if this is going to be another you know,
tia yellow ribbon around the tree and put a flag
on your car, thing like we did while we sign
up for the Patriot Act, count me out. I want
Americans to get up off the freaking mat and fight back.

(41:00):
Stop signing in and becoming part of this kabalist government
that is selling out to a country that has been
dragging us in to fake wars or real wars over
fake reasons, the WND narrative for too long. I'm done
signing up and sucking up to another country. We do
not need to. We are God's second covenant nation. We

(41:21):
don't need a government in another country stealing the biblical history.
That's where I am with all of this.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Everything that we are being told about this shooter and
about this shooting makes no sense, and it makes no sense.
The FBI is contradicting himself. Cash Betel says, there's a letter,
but then it was destroyed. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
my man, what are you talking about? Someone destroyed evidence?
Hold on Okay, well, who got arrested? Who got arrested?

(41:50):
Well nobody? Well, okay, what the hell's going on? This
guy that shot Charlie Kirk never really had practice. He
assembled his gun, and we're being told that he assembled
his gun on the rooftop. So people are telling this
so your audience understands. When you put a sight on
your gun, you just don't line up and shoot it

(42:12):
and the bullet goes to where the site is. You
have to shoot several rounds. It's called sighting in. So
I have to shoot several rounds, adjust my sight. Okay,
I'm off to the right, I'm off to the left. Okay, bam,
I got it. That takes time. Takes a lot of
time to sight in. And then he breaks it down
and then he escapes, and then he goes to the

(42:33):
woods and reassembles the gun and then leaves the gun
in the woods. We're never going to hear the truth,
an I really believe that. And I want to play
this clip by Steve Bannon and talking about this is
not a single murder, and I just want to get
your take on it. Can you play this forus? Thomas
number nine.

Speaker 13 (42:51):
This was being treated as a single murder. It's not
a single murder. This is not a single murder of
a great man. Does a asked conspiracy in back of
this and t fund needs to be designated as a
domestic terrorist organization. Hey, if you want to make it
an international terrorist there's plenty of evidence of that effect.

Speaker 11 (43:11):
He came out of Europe.

Speaker 13 (43:13):
The trans part of this is a subset of that
that is also a conspiracy and active conspiracy a terrorist
organization needs to be investigated. The New York Post has a.

Speaker 11 (43:26):
Has a great piece up. We'll put it up in
a little while.

Speaker 13 (43:28):
As we discussed this, it's now being the law enforcement
is now focused, and there was a lot of law
enforcement that was fighting this. They want to treat it
as a simple murder. It's not a simple murder. This
is far deeper and far more malignant. And that's why
in the next two weeks to make sure we go
after that and any foreign money that came in, any

(43:52):
foreign influence that came in from the Chinese companiest party
to source to others, Arabella all of it.

Speaker 11 (44:00):
They have three levels.

Speaker 13 (44:01):
They have the first level of the Antifa and the
transgender radicals are the kind of the foot soldiers.

Speaker 11 (44:08):
Right, then they have a second level.

Speaker 13 (44:10):
You're going to be shocked that second level is made
up of what's infiltrated the military. No, it's not white
nationalism or white extremism, extremist politics, that's what they try
to sell. Under Biden's regime, you have members of the
military that are radicalized.

Speaker 11 (44:29):
You've seen this in some of the posts about.

Speaker 13 (44:30):
Charlie Kirk, but you have many that are in there
deep that are training and working. You heard Tage Guild
that are working with Antifa and training Antifa.

Speaker 11 (44:38):
And then you have the top.

Speaker 13 (44:40):
Level, and that's the people that are trying to destroy
this country, the financiers in the networks of globalist financiers
and others that are using this to foment a civil
war here in the United States of America.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
And what's your response to that?

Speaker 1 (44:57):
So, first of all, I want to walk it backwards
a little. But Steve Bannon talking about we have radicalized
members of our United States military, I can tell you
that for a fact, I've attended graduation ceremonies at some
of the military institutions, and I'll tell you right now
that back in twenty nineteen, I know for a fact
that graduates at some of the officer schools were coming

(45:18):
out anti Trump, openly hating them, talking about how he
was a moron. So this was coming directly from the
education they were receiving at these institutions. I spoke to
yesterday one of my sources who is actually training. They
are former military, but they're doing some training with military
right now in special operations, and they tell me that, yes,

(45:39):
members of the military are completely radicalized and they're being
paid to train Antifa. And I said, well, how are
they getting paid? Cryptocurrency was his response. So there is
a very dark network. I mean, look, we've all talked
to Sean Taylor. I've interviewed him, this gentleman who's a
former assistant police chief who's been fifteen years putting together
the money trails come out of the cartels, and we

(46:01):
see the money going through these banks in Canada, including
some of our investment house banks here in New York City,
and it's being laundered through mortgage fraud. There is a
number of ways they're laundering this money to pay anybody
and everybody that they want to use to foment this
color revolution in this country, arm and organize all types
of factions, whether it's our own military, whether it's Antifa,

(46:23):
or it's people pretending to be MAGA, as in the
case with the FB lie dressing up as the quote
Patriot Front. But of course you never see their faces
because they walk around and parading with masks over theirselves
and hats and sunglasses, carrying these flags and their FBI
issued pants and uniforms, pretending to be that of a patriot.
It's so disgustingly obvious at this point. But again to

(46:45):
the untrained eye, to the person who's not watching these shows,
that is just out there living their lives, they're now
starting to think that the conservative movement is the one
that's going to foment this civil war. I've really got
to believe that the death of Charlie Kirk is going
to actually wake up the center left right now and
those just to the left of censer on the left,
because you cannot see that and if you are seriously

(47:06):
a good individual and you just have some left leaning ideology,
that that's the solution to shutting somebody up by just
blowing their neck open on live television in front of
hundreds of millions of people around the world. That's just
not the answer, and most saying people will agree with that.
The hardcore left that we're seeing exhibited on these social
media posts, those people should be made a public spectacle

(47:27):
of love, and they should lose their jobs essentially because
people should stop patronizing wherever it is they work, and
they should be the reason that they have to be released,
because they've brought such ire and they've caused companies to
lose business, whether they work at fast food or whatever.
Steve Bannon is not wrong in any of his assessment.
The one thing I really want to know more about, though,
and this is an honest question. If we are now

(47:50):
looking at a nation state as the problem here under
our oath of office, and I know you've taken it,
and with any luck, you'll be reassessed a reafford that
oath here anytime now, JJ, But under that oath, we
have to talk about enemies, foreign and domestic. I spoke
to somebody who talks to high level intelligence people all
the time, and they said, and I think we should

(48:11):
have everybody, including President Trump, add the ad to the
nation state of Israel as this domestic or susit new
foreign terror threat. Let's ask them any nation state, including
up to Israel. If they're a problem, should you know
we stand against them. I think people need to say
it because when you have fifty percent of Congress, you know,
and most everybody, with the exception of a couple of
people having a pac handlers, the biggest lobby we have

(48:34):
is an Israeli lobby public Affairs council. American Israeli Public
Affairs Council is the biggest lobby in DC. Then half
those people have Israel dual citizenship. Yeah, we need to
find out. If we find out that Israel is a
bad evil one behind all this, which evidence is starting
to really point in that direction, they need to denounce it,
remove their citizenship, and or be removed from public service

(48:56):
because clearly their public enemy number one.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
There seems to be an overwhelming amount of talk about Israel.
What's their connection connected to Charlie Kirk? How did they
have a role in it? And you alluded to or
you talked about this in the beginning of our conversation.
He did it about face and I talked about this
before you came on, and it wasn't a slow role

(49:23):
like you know, someone like Charlie Kirk gets a lot
of information. He has a he had a gift from
God where he could take in information, digest it, and
then and then push it back out in a very
layman's term. But that about face usually takes a time.
There's a months, maybe a year, maybe two years to
get to that point from where I'm all in on Israel.

(49:45):
Is was the greatest thing in the world too. I
have to question everything. Holy smokes, what happened? And now
we're finding out that he was offered one hundred and
fifty million dollars by ned Yahu to fund turn to
Point USA, that the vast majority of everyone that was
funding Turning Point USA were Jewish billionaires. You can't stop

(50:07):
looking at this, and you can't. You can't just say
I'm going to look at Charlie Kirk, Turning Point in USA,
our government with the cut out Israel, and say, well,
Israel has nothing to do with this. Well, and then
BBN Yahoo, the leader of a nation and that's at war,
takes time out to talk about Charlie Kirk. That's insane, Anne,

(50:31):
That's that's absolutely insane.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Well again, Charlie Kirk was calling out Epstein Massad And
again I saw a clip recently where Judge Neapolitano was
talking about the fact that he had a phone call
with President Trump and asking him before Trump's first term
was over, as he was getting ready to leave after
January sixth, and he said, sorry, you haven't fulfilled one

(50:55):
of the promises you made to me into America. And
President Trump said, well, tell me what it is. I'll
do it right away. He said, you haven't released all
of the JFK files. And President Trump pushed back and
he said, listen, if you know what I if you
saw what I saw, you'd know why I can't because
you know they'll come after me. They'll come after me.
And President Trump told Judge Napolaitano when he pressed him,

(51:18):
who is they, he said, I can't tell you on
an open phone line because there's about fourteen other people
listening to this phone call right now. So President Trump
knew that if he released everything in the JFK files
that he would be taken out. Perhaps Charlie Kirk saw
what was in those JFK files, or perhaps Charlie Kirk
had a conversation with somebody like President Trump, and perhaps

(51:40):
Charlie Kirk went out on a limb. Perhaps Charlie Kirk
started to see an overwhelming abundance of evidence. He said
that he spoke to somebody that was familiar with what
was in the JFK files. So perhaps he was the
one decided to go out and be the canary in
the coal mine, But he didn't realize just how deadly
and I mean deadly serious that Israel was about covering
up the fact that they were behind the assassination of JFK.

(52:03):
You know, Lyndon Johnson was not a friend to JFK.
He was clearly aligned and stood with Israel. And you
know that evidence is all over the internet. There's no
secret there. I might revealing classified information here JJ. What
I'm talking about is when it's all the breadcrumbs are
being dropped, and they're being dropped very, very rapidly. And
you have to have Benjamin Netanya who come on Live

(52:25):
TV and shrug his shoulders and dispelled this myth, quoting
to him this that you know Israel had something to
do with Charlie Kirk's assassination. Since when has a president
of a country addressed a rumor like that, unless, of
course there exactly unless of course they're now backpedaling because
they realize uh oh our kimono is open and people

(52:46):
are seeing us for what we are. And by the way,
I saw Charlie Kirk, you know, debate somebody on the
existence of Palestine, and Charlie at that point did not
believe Palestine was real. But I do believe now he
knows that it is and it was there before, and
that the nation state of Israel didn't exist until nineteen
forty eight. But Israel, the biblical Hebrews that the Bible

(53:07):
talks about, has been there for thousands of years. It's
the nation state itself that again was orchestrated by ashke
Nazi's not the biblical Hebrews. And this was all done
through Lord Rothschild and the Balfour Declaration. So you're not
going to sit there and tell me that a non
biblical jew which helped create the nation state of Israel

(53:27):
is going to isn't behind what's going on with our
banking system, which is what the real war is all about.
We're looking right now at war from central bankers through
trade routes and clateralizing the fact that they don't have
anything to back up what they've done, which is basically
print vat currency from the EU to the United States
dollar into an oblivion. Look at what's happening with gold.

(53:50):
Gold tells the whole story right then and there. Gold
is reaching all time highs right now, central central banks
all over the world, especially in the bricks. Nations are
stocking it like it's going out of style tomorrow because
it is. It is changing so rapidly. And Israel and
the City of London, which I believe has probably transferred
most of his assets somewhere else because it's so infiltrated

(54:11):
with the enemy of Israel, which is basically Islam. This
is what we're dealing with right now. We're dealing with
the wholesale liquidation of the American people. Everything that we
believe we ever had, all the lies are being exposed,
and it's happening in real time. And we have a
casualty in this war, somebody who called it all out
and wouldn't bow down and take the bribe. And Americans,

(54:33):
I'm here to tell you watch out because this is
coming out so quickly. Everything and anything is on the table.
And again we've heard the rumors of the Samson option.
I believe that could be one of the biggest threats.
That's a reality that I hope we never find out
to be true because if we do, it means part
of us, and maybe many of us, won't be here anymore.
This is how serious a time we're living through it

(54:54):
right now.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
I agree, And I don't think that we have any idea,
truly any idea what is waiting for us? I don't
and you and I jokingly say to each other every
time we leave, what are we going to talk about
next week? Could we imagine what we talked about from
last week to now? That the murder of the assassination
Charlie Kirk. It is still unreal, hard to believe, but

(55:18):
it's true. And this is the world we live in.
And thank you so much. I appreciate your time today.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Thank you, jjan God bless you.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
God bless you too. And Vandersteel find her at van
Andersteele or and Vandersteel dot com. Also her movie, which
we didn't get a chance to talk about. Her new documentary, Taken,
was critically acclaimed in Boston. Go to see that, you
can go to and Vandersteel dot com. I believe that

(55:46):
link is right on her on her website called Taken,
What do you Believe Anymore? Saw a remake last night
of Total Recall. Pretty good remake. And as I'm watching that,

(56:08):
I'm thinking about my about my life and everything's happened,
and I'm thinking, what is real? Your head is on
a swivel right now, What is it that is the truth?
I interviewed, Like I said earlier, I interviewed Miss Green

(56:29):
Hope Green MK Ultra traffic through at Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein
bought her at five and held her for decades. And
to listen to the Satanic, the demon, the evil. There
are times where I feel and think, where do I begin?

(56:55):
There's so much evil? Where do I begin? What do
I talk about? And then as you go through these
these criminal acts, these evil criminal trees in its acts,
nobody goes to jail. Joe Biden through majorcas allowed in
thirty million people in four years, No one went to jail. Epstein.

(57:20):
No one's going to jail except one person, and she's
in jail for trafficking ghost to other ghosts. We don't
there's no crime because no one that participated in the
quote crime has been arrested. We live in uncertain times.

(57:46):
There are demons walking the earth. Demons walk in the earth.
You can see them, you can physically see them. Pray
for our country, Pray for your soul, and do something
that God wants you to do, and that is get

(58:06):
in the fight, because we are in a war for
the soul of America. It is happening right now. The
demons have been on the battlefield, and we have ignored
their battle cries, so they now they just continually kill us.
When are we going to engage them on the battlefield
and take our country back and save our children and

(58:27):
our wives. When are we going to do that in America?
When are we going to live in a righteous, honest
and truthful time. I don't know when, but I'm tired
of living in this cesspool of morality right now.