Teal Swan EXPOSED! Spiritual Guru or Cult Leader?

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Greetings and salutations, friends, and welcome. Tonight will be starting
on a new UH series of sorts by popular demand.
Many of you have messaged me over the past several
years asking me to cover tonight's subject, which is Teal Swan,
a new Age spiritual self help guru of sorts. And

(02:59):
it's interesting that Miss Swan appears to be the prototype
that many other people that we have followed and sort
of done exposeson you know this, Teal Swan kind of
gave others the blueprint. For example, TiAl Swan claims to
be an alien hybrid, and so do people like Sarah

(03:23):
Rachel Adams. Till Swan claims to be able to help
people with her supernatural abilities, much like Sarah are Adams,
and I believe that not just Sarah are Adams. We've
got people, multiple, multiple female New Age let's call them

(03:44):
New Age influencers, who I believe were heavily inspired by
or just straight copied from Teal Swan. So we'll take
a moment to welcome in the live chat before we begin,
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you for your kindness, generosity and support of the show.
It is much much appreciated. Now we're going to begin
with an opening script or piece that I have written
about til Swan. And some of you may be aware
that I have been an aspiring writer for some time now,
and in fact I was supposed to get sort of

(06:46):
a job as a freelance writer for a Washington, DC
based newspaper that's still I never delivered the articles, but
to prepare for that, I wrote a great deal of
articles on a variety of different subjects, mostly things that
we cover here. So we'll begin our journey with Miss

(07:07):
Swan by an introduction of sorts. And if you really
want to get a good introduction to Miss till Swan,
there is a documentary that I believe is free on Hulu,
and it's called Into the Deep End, right or just
the Deep End, not Into The Deep End. It's on Hulu,

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and this is what prompted me to cover her again,
because I'm quite honestly, I'm getting sick of Netflix, except
for this new series that's on Well it's not really new.
I'm just late always to the game. I don't watch
much TV. The Lincoln Lawyer. I love that movie, and
the television show is great, so I started binge watching that,

(07:51):
but otherwise I burn out of Netflix. There's just not
much there I want to see. So I've been checking
out Hulu and I caught this and it reminded me
of just how many of you have messaged me asking
me to cover this woman. And I can see why.
You can think of her as sort of a female
David Wilcock, but a much more successful grifter. This girl

(08:14):
has followers in the millions, and it appears that she
has been very successful with her let's just call them offerings.
So we're going to take a moment to first of
we'll put our fair use better up. You know, one
of the things I love is that when people have
trailers and I play them here. You know, like a

(08:36):
trailer for a movie or a trailer for a documentary,
you would think to promote your film, you would want
people playing that trailer. Do you know how many times
I have played a trailer and I got a copyright
claim from the trailer. It's ridiculous. But I haven't pre
screened this I normally do. I just press for time today.

(08:57):
Hopefully we won't get a copyright claim. This is This
is actually a trailer for a documentary which is on Hulu.
And I don't know is Hulu free? I think it is.
It's free with ads, right, I think, so, I'm not sure.
I don't know. My wife takes care of all that stuff.

(09:17):
So forgive me for my ignorance. And I just went
to before we begin because I have a pretty long
diatribe to get through. But we do have some videos
that we're going to share that I think are extremely
revealing about this person. So if you want to get
an education about her, tonight is a great place to start.

(09:39):
We're going to try to really give you as much
information sort of a data dump about this person as possible.
But I thought, just to introduce us to her, the
best thing to do is play the trailer from the
documentary on Hulu, which, by the way, she calls extremely deceptive.
It may have something to do with the fact that
Hulu high a private detective to determine if she was

(10:03):
running a cult, and the private detective basically said, oh,
it's a cult. She did not like that, and apparently
Ms Swan is extremely sensitive about people calling her group
a cult. But as we will see as we begin
to delve into this tonight, it shows all the classic
signs of a cult. Separate people from their family, prioritize

(10:26):
the cult leader over everything else, people's families, people's friends,
extremely rigid sort of rules. For example, she basically tells
her followers that live with her in the cult compound,
that's what I'm calling it. You're not allowed to have
a girlfriend or a boyfriend significant other, and you're not

(10:47):
allowed to have children. And her reasoning is she's got
too many interviews and work to do and she's not
getting woken up at three o'clock in the morning by
a screaming baby, so her followers are not allowed to proke.
This is very This is a very cult like situation
if you ask me. And apparently many of her followers

(11:08):
just live with her and work for her, and all
they get in return is I guess free spiritual lessons
from her and room and board, so she does feed
them and put a roof over their head. And by
the way, we're just going to cite fair use. This
is a transformative work. We're educating the public about the
New Age spiritual guru tell Swan and the various controversies

(11:31):
surrounding them. If it's just joining us, you're watching truth Seekers,
and tonight we're starting a new series on New Age
spiritual cult leaders. And I'm content to call her a
cult leader, having done sufficient research on her, but people
are free to make up their own minds. I found
it interesting that a psychiatrist popular on YouTube sort of

(11:54):
analyzed her situation and he called what she does cult
light like it's not quite as destructive or invasive or
harmful as a true cult, but it's got some similarities
to cults enough for him to determine that what she
does is run something like a cult, a light cult.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Uh, one moment here, let us let us watch this trailer.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
We're going to be doing is what I call channeling.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
So she can channel dead people, aliens, and more.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
It's also one of the most powerful tools that has
ever existed.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
This is tail Swan.

Speaker 6 (12:44):
To her followers, and she's a savior.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
You've got equal amounts of joy and power as you do.
Despare Teal Swan has over one hundred and forty five
million to use online.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
That's more. Now, that's five hundred million.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Now speak so much truth. I feel like she's Jesus.

Speaker 7 (13:05):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
I feel like she's Jesus. I was just kind of
all struck in a way. Teal experience the worst of
the worst.

Speaker 8 (13:13):
Since she knows I.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Would die for this, we hired a private investigator.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
My job is to try to figure out if this
is a cult or not.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
We've had members leave. Yes, spoiler alert, it's cool. Do
you think about this list?

Speaker 5 (13:29):
Most of it is illegal.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
The people in my life have to be more dedicated
to mission. If you want to come within fifty miles
of me, you've got her be ready for the deepest
end of the pool.

Speaker 8 (13:42):
It's like, what are you willing to do for this?

Speaker 9 (13:44):
Cause I was so I'd be willing to kill someone
and bury them in the backyard.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Wow, that's a pretty problem.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Spokesperson for every Lost Toys, how many of you feel
like you're not doing okay?

Speaker 5 (14:06):
I'm trying to find the truth in this mess.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
It's no Gloody I thought it would be.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
You feel like an adversary to me.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
She started something misgrown beyond her control.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
If I say I'd like to get to the point
where I'm more spiritually influential in the pope.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
She'd like to be more spiritually influential.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Than the people, be like, yeah, that's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
And there's an interesting story which takes place. First of all,
this woman claims that she is like basically super psychic,
but somehow she's been married five times. I guess she
didn't see those divorces coming, you know, So immediately I'm
I'm on the defensive about her psychic abilities. If you

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are claiming that you can foretell the future, how do
you not see five failed marriages future? And just know
when you meet those men not to marry them or
avoid relationships with them because it's not going to work
out for you. And also, there's one time boyfriend that's
heavily featured in this cult documentary. It's called in the

(15:17):
Deep End, and he was once her boyfriend, but then
after about a year apparently they decided to just be friends.
But he became her operations manager, meaning he ran the
day to day business, selling her courses, her paintings, her
bullshit psychic sessions, healing sessions, seminars, booking her interviews. But

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at some point, years after their relationship, he's still living
with her working for her. He decides to start his
own relationship this woman from Germany who then comes and
moves to Utah to be with him, and she basically
freaks out, and it's very clear in the documentary that

(16:03):
she's incredibly jealous of this woman who comes in and
starts to I suppose take attention away from her from
the operations or business manager, ex boyfriend. It reaches a
point where she basically throws them out, you know, and

(16:25):
it's something else. It's pretty culty if you ask me.
So that's on Hulu. Maybe we can get that and
do a watch party on kick that's not gonna happen, Yeah,
I doubt and May eighteenth on free Form and stream
on Hero. Yeah. So it's streaming on Hulu right now.

(16:48):
All right, So we'll go to the written piece that
I have about her, and I want to take a
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got Starlight Warrior hearing the call of the goal already.
I fought followed her for years, he says. And by
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Very manipulative and calculating chick, to say the least. I've
heard that, and I have been in touch with several
of her former I'm going to keep saying it cult

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members who told me very similar things. But thank you
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So back to Teal Swan, my friends, I believe the
perils of pseudospiritual influence are apparent when we examine her

(18:44):
and her group. Tonight, we'll be doing a critical examination
of Teal Swan and her teachings. Teal Swan is a
prominent figure in the New Age spiritual movement. She's garnered
a significant following through her claims of x terrestrial origins, reincarnations,
multiple reincarnations, and her own survival of claimed Satanic ritual

(19:10):
abuse in her childhood. Tonight, we'll be critically analyzing her biography,
her extraordinary assertions, and the controversies surrounding her career. Particularly,
we'll be placing emphasis on the ethical concerns of what
she does, and I believe what she does is that

(19:32):
she's offering basically therapeutic services but without any formal medical
or psychological education or qualifications. Her claimed psychic abilities, and
the cult like dynamics of her inner circle. We're going
to scrutinize that and pick it apart Tonight, we'll be

(19:55):
drawing on some documentary evidence, some journalistic, investigator and scholarly
critiques of the kind of pseudoscience and new age jibber
jabber that she markets very successfully. We'll be talking about
the potential dangers that Swan poses to vulnerable individuals seeking

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mental health support or healing. Then we're going to have
a discussion about the broader risks inherent in blending unsubstantiated
spiritual claims with pseudoscientific practices like she offers. Starting in

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the digital age of the Internet, spiritual influencers like tel
Swan have risen to great prominence. What they do is
they leverage social media platforms to disseminate teachings that blend mysticism,
self help, and alternative therapies. Teal Swan is not her
real name, by the way. She was actually born Mary

(21:01):
Teal Bosworth on June sixteenth, nineteen eighty four. Renaming herself
Teal Swan, she then positioned herself as a beacon for
those grappling with trauma, existential questions, and emotional distress. Her
narrative is rife with extraordinary claims, including being an alien hybrid,

(21:25):
having undergone multiple lives and reincarnations, most of them she
was a spiritual guru in and also enduring, by her
own claims, horrific Satanic ritual abuse during her childhood. These claims,
while I suppose they are captivating to her followers, warrant

(21:48):
rigorous skepticism, especially given the absence of any verifiable evidence
and the historical contexts of the Satanic Panic surrounding Satanic
ritual abuse allegations and so called recovered memories. Till Swan
claims that she didn't need to recover her memories of

(22:10):
Satanic ritual abuse, but in fact she went to the
person most famous for recovering memories of people and you know,
the claims that they had Satanic ritual abuse in their past.
And this is extremely problematic because there's no scientific evidence.

(22:31):
The basic I suppose, the basic you know, plotline of
these Satanic Panic people were that you must have experienced
the Satanic ritual abuse. But then to protect your psyche,
your mind sort of erased those memories and it's only
through our hypnotic regression that you can remember them again.

(22:52):
This is extremely, extremely problematic, and that has no basis
in science. Your mind can't simply erase memories because they're
from That's not how the brain works in any neurologist,
psychologists psychiatrists would agree with me. So TiO Swan's influence
extends beyond mere inspiration. She offers healing workshops, retreats, and

(23:15):
online content that purport to address deep seated psychological issues. However,
her lack of formal training in psychology or medicine raises
profound ethical questions about the safety and the efficacy of
her strange methods. Critics, including mental health professionals and former

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associates or cult members, have accused her of exploiting vulnerable populations,
potentially exacerbating mental health crises rather than alleviating them. Tonight,
we're going to be looking at this woman through a
critical lens, as we always generally do. We'll be examining
Swan's claims through the framework of pseudoscience, cult dye, and

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psychological ethics. I believe that if we dissect her history
and her teachings, we can highlight the dangers of her
unchecked spiritual entrepreneurship in an error where misinformation can often
have very serious and even in some cases, lethal consequences.

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So let's talk about a little bit about her history
and her early claims till Swan's early life story, as
she recounts it, forms the foundation of her spiritual authority.
Raised in a Mormon community in Idaho, Swan claims to
have exhibited extrasensory perceptions from a very young age, including

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clairvoyance and empathy, beyond normal human capabilities. She alleges that
these abilities somehow made her a target for abuse, leading
to her involvement with a mentor she refers to as Doc,
a person whose full name she's never to my knowledge revealed,
And this Doc person purportantly subjected her to years and

(25:07):
years of ritual torture, including and this is where the
story gets crazy, she claimed that she was sown inside
cours corpses and forced also to have multiple abortions. These
narratives echo some of the Satanic Panic stories of the

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nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties, a period marked by widespread,
unsubstantiated fears of occult abuse, often fueled by suggestive hypnotic
therapy techniques. Central to Swan's biography is her therapist Barbara Snow,
who was the central figure of the Satanic Panic. Recovering

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all of these memories of Satanic ritual abuse for many,
many people, and this is extremely problematic. She played a
pivotal role in recovering these memories for these people, snow
implicated in the Mormon Satanic panic employed very controversial, some
would say complete pseudoscience. Repressed memory therapy or RMP, a

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method that has been highly criticized for its potential to
implant false memories through leading questions and hypnosis. After all,
when someone is under hypnosis, they are extremely suggestible. Skeptics
argue that Swan's Satanic ritual abuse claims lack corroborating evidence
and aligned suspiciously with the error's hysteria around such things,

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where similar accusations led to the wrongful convictions of many
people and the destruction of many many families. Swan's assertions
of being an Arcturian Arcturian alien hybrid, meaning half human
and half extraterrestrial, at a layer of science fiction to

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her persona, weaving in UFO and alien mythology into her
own narrative. She basically claims that this heritage grants her
superior insights into human suffering. She also claims to have
had multiple lives and multiple reincarnations and of course, this

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is drawn from Eastern philosophies, but without the rigorous, scholarly
or experiential validation typical of traditional spiritual traditions. This framework
serves not only as a personal testament, but as a
marketing tool, positioning Swan as a survivor turned savior and

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also extremely extremely knowledgeable about all things spiritual. After all,
she's been reincarnated many, many times, and in each of
her lives she was some kind of a spiritual guru,
or at least in many of them, according to her
own stories. However, the absence of independent verification undermines its credibility.

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Investigative journalism, such as that featured in documentaries like The
Deep End, reveal a great deal of inconsistencies in her
timeline and testimonies from childhood acquaintances who completely and totally
contradict her abuse narratives. Such discrepancies suggest that Swann's story
may be embellished or exaggerated extremely for dramatic effect or

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marketing purposes, exploiting a public's fascination with trauma narratives to
build her brand. So she's had some extraordinary claims friends,
alien hybrid reincarnation, satanic ritual abuse, being sown inside and
dead corpse and left there for hours. Why would somebody

(28:53):
sew somebody inside a dead person? I don't know, but
that's what she claims. That's one of her most famous stories.
These are some of her most audacious claims, and they
demand particular scrutiny as they form the bedrock of her
perceived authority her self. Identification as an alien hybrid from
the Octorian star system is presented without any evidence whatsoever,

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and when people claim to be an alien hybrid, I
always say the same thing, Well, let's check your DNA,
because if you really were an alien hybrid, I believe
a geneticist would be able to tell that you have
non human DNA. To my knowledge, she has never consented
to such a test. In New Age circles, such claims

(29:38):
like that are not uncommon, though, but they do veer
into pseudoscience when used to justify therapeutic interventions. Swan claims
that her alien hybrid nature endows her with heightened psychic abilities,
allowing her to access universal truths that are somehow inaccessible
to ordinary humans like her followers and cult members. Similarly,

(30:03):
her reincarnation narratives posit that she has lived countless lives,
accumulating an incredible amount of wisdom that informs her teachings
over many, many lifetimes. While reincarnation is a tenant in
religions like Hinduism and Buddhism, Swan's version lacks the philosophical
depth or evidential rigor of those traditions. Instead, it appears

(30:29):
as a convenient trope that I believe is designed to
elevate her status among her believers, enabling her to dismiss
critics as somehow spiritually unevolved. The Satanic ritual abuse allegations
are perhaps the most troubling. These, after all, were rooted

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in therapy sessions with Barbara Snow, who we know has
been involved in basically having people destroying people's lives with
these so called recovered memories that turn out to be
completely false. These claims mirror the discredited Satanic Panic, where
therapists like Barbara Snow were accused of manufacturing abuse memories

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through coercive methods. Psychological research, including studies by Elizabeth Loftis
on false memory syndrome, demonstrates how suggestive questioning can fabricate vivid,
yet yet fictitious recollections Swan's promotions of these stories not
only perpetuates harmful myths, but I believe it also risks

(31:34):
in validating genuine abuse survivors by associating their experiences with
debunked conspiracies. I believe that a great deal of skepticism
is warranted when evaluating her claims. After all, extraordinary claims
require extraordinary evidence, and not only does Til Swan not
have extraordinary evidence, she has virtually no evidence. It's what

(31:59):
we commonly call a trust me bro story. Swan's reliance
on personal testimony absent forensic or witness corroboration, fails this standard,
and these claims serve to insulate her from criticism. As
in many cults, questioning her statements or claims is framed

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as doubting a survivor's truth, which is a tactic that
stifles legitimate inquiry. Healing services and lack of formal training,
I have a big problem when it comes to this.
One of the most egregious aspects of Swan's enterprises her
provision of healing services to individuals, often with severe mental

(32:42):
health issues, despite possessing no formal credentials in psychology, psychiatry,
or counseling. Her completion process of self developed modality involves
guiding participants through regressions to uncover supposed repressed traumas, often
leading to intense emotional breakdowns. This approach mirror's discredited RMT,

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which has been linked to great harm, including induced dissociative
disorders and family estrangements. So without licensure, Swan operates in
a regulatory gray area, evading the legal and ethical standards
imposed on professional therapists, such as those outlined by the

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American Psychological Association. Many of her critics have argued that
her interventions exploit the desperation of the mentally unwell, charging
exorbitant fees for retreats, sessions, books, lessons that promise miraculous
cures but deliver at best placebo effects and at worst,

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exacerbated symptoms. Reports from former followers describe sessions where participants
are encouraged to visualize suicide as a viable option. This
that has been associated with at least one documented death.
This danger is amplified by Swan's online reach. Her YouTube videos,

(34:10):
which have been viewed millions of time times, target those
searching for mental health advice, potentially deterring them from seeking
an evidence based professional treatment. This substitution of pseudotherapy for
professional care poses a public health risk. In my view.
Untreated conditions like depression or PTSD can worsen under unqualified guidance,

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and this is a real danger with her. In fact,
Utah once sent her a fine which she didn't pay.
That's the only legal consequences I have been able to
determine she's ever faced. And then there are psychic and
channeling abilities. Swan claims to channel dead people, possess psychic foresight,

(34:59):
and whole quote all the answers unquote to life's enigmas,
attributes she attributes to her alien heritage and spiritual evolution.
So in the spiritual industry, where untestable claims masquerade as
profound wisdom, she's done very well. Channeling, a practice popularized

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in New Age movements, involves purportedly relaying messages from disembodied entities,
but of course scientific scrutiny reveals it as a form
of role playing or subconscious ideation, not genuine communication. Skeptics,
including organizations like the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry, have debunked

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similar psychic claims through controlled experiments, finding no evidence beyond
cold reading and confirmation bias, Swan's insights often consist of
vague Barnum effect statements that resonate broadly but lack specificity, specificity,
or predictive accuracy. By presenting herself as omniscient, she fosters

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dependency among her followers, who may forego critical thinking in
favor of her pronouncements. This hubris Hubris is particularly dangerous
for those in psychological distress, as it discourages consultation with
trained professionals. Followers are sold to fantasy of instant enlightenment,

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potentially leading to disillusionment or harm when expectations falter. And
of course, this woman has had a great deal of
controversies throughout her history. Swan's career is marred by controversies
that underscore her problematic influence. Early on, her association with
the Satanic Panic via Barbara Snow raised red flags as

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Snow's methods were linked to fabricated abuse scandals. More recently,
the twenty eighteen podcast The Gateway. In twenty twenty two
docuseries The Deep End exposed allegations of her incredibly manipulative behavior,
including verbal abuse of Inner Circle members and financial exploitation.

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Accusations that she has promoted suicide as a quote reset
button unquote have drawn aire with families of deceased followers
attributing their losses to her teachings, and yes, apparently some
of her followers have unlive themselves. Swan has responded by

(37:33):
hiring private investigators to refute claims, but even these efforts
concluded her methods are irresponsible, if not legally culpable. Legal
skirmishes and deplatforming attempts further highlight the ethical quagmire that
is Tiel Swan, as her defenders cried censorship while critics

(37:54):
often demand accountability from her. These controversies refeel a pattern
of deflection. Swan frames criticism as jealousy or misunderstanding, rather
than addressing substantiative concerns. This perpetuates a cycle of unchecked influence.
The cult like group formed around her is called Swan's

(38:17):
inner circle, often called the Tel Tribe, and this exhibits
hallmarks of a great many cult dynamics, as defined by
many scholars like Robert jy Liften. Members are required to
prioritize Swan over their own personal relationships and adhere to

(38:38):
strict non negotiables contract and endure public shaming for descent.
In other words, if you disagree with her, she publicly
shames you in front of the whole group. This is
very cult Like my Friends, The group operates retreats in
Utah and also Costa Rica, where isolation fosters dependency and

(38:59):
Swan's caismatic authority discourages external input. Documentaries depict gaslighting sessions
where followers are berated for even daring to ever question her,
mirroring coercive control in high demand groups. While Swan denies
that she's running a cult, claiming she has the perfect

(39:22):
recipe but chooses not to use it, evidence suggests otherwise.
Love bombing new recruits, financial tithing, and ideological purity tests
align with cult criteria. This environment is particularly perilous for
people who are mentally vulnerable, who may become entrapped in

(39:42):
a web of manipulation under the guise of spiritual growth.
And I believe Miss Swan is a danger to people
in need of psychological treatment. In fact, the core peril
of Swan's influence lies in her interception of those requiring
legit jitimate psychological help by offering uncredentialed healing. She diverts

(40:06):
individuals from evidence based interventions like cognitive behavioral therapy or medication.
Some people need psychological medication and her she has no
right to actually prescribe any psychological any medication. She's not
trained in any medical school or psychology schools. She's not

(40:30):
licensed to practice medicine, so this is a real danger
in my view. Her emphasis on suicide visualization has been
labeled a catalyst for self harm, which reports linking her
content to fatalities. Vulnerable populations, including trauma survivors and those

(40:52):
with suicidal thoughts, are drawn to her empathic facade only
to encounter potentially harmful practices. The lack of oversight in
the spiritual wellness industry exacerbates this, allowing figures like Swan
and many others that we have looked into to operate
with impunity, potentially leading to worsened mental states, financial ruin,

(41:18):
or tragic outcomes. So when we look into Teal Swan,
we see the dangers of pseudoscience mixed with spirituality. Teal
Swan's fusion of pseudoscience and spirituality exemplifies a broader societal threat,
the selling of enlightenment at the expense of evidence and ethics.

(41:44):
Her teachings cloaked in mystical allure, pedal unproven methods that
can harm rather than heal, particularly when marketed to the vulnerable,
the desperate, or the mentally ill. This blend and erodes
trust in legitimate science and real spirituality, fostering a culture

(42:05):
where charisma trump's credibility. The dangers extend far beyond individuals
to the greater society, perpetuating misinformation and enabling exploitation. I
believe that regulators and members of the government must address
this gap, perhaps through licensing for spiritual healers or public

(42:27):
education on pseudoscience red flags. Ultimately, til Swan's case serves
as a cautionary tale in the quest for meaning, Discernment
is paramount to avoid the deep end of deception. Okay, friends,
so we'll just get caught up here with the live chat,

(42:49):
and then we'll get to the videos. I have multiple
videos here that I found most interesting. I was going
to make my own video. But quite honestly, why did
YouTube change my name? I don't know, Sam Corbin. They've
done this recently, a big change to YouTube. A lot
of people's names got changed, and I am not aware

(43:10):
of why. Let me just take a moment to catch
up with the live chat and make sure that I
didn't miss any super chats. One moment here, one second, friends,
I forgot where I was at. Where is the last
one that we read? That was a long diatribe? So

(43:32):
I apologize. Okay, Starlight Warriors the last one that re read,
So just bear with me as I catch up with
the live chat. Give a big shout out to Flint
Westwood five four six six hearing the call the goal
yet again. Let's hope this movement doesn't turn into ant
hill kids, disgusting stuff, sledgehammers and psychological torture, all about

(43:53):
sick and demonic power. I agree and thank you for
your kindness, generosity, and support. Sometimes people ask me why
I bother to go after some of these New Age
gurus and UFO scammers, and I really think it's because
I feel sorry for their victims, and I understand, having

(44:14):
been the victim of some of this shit myself throughout
my lifetime. You know, when people are feeling vulnerable and
having problems, that's when they are most vulnerable to these
kind of cult like belief systems. But thank you, Flint Westwood.
For your kindness, generosity and support. Much much appreciated. And

(44:34):
we have TROLLI troll troll. He says, you get this
dono to badmouth fake Lou. Yeah, Fake Lou is a
midget who likes to blow dudes and he's into best reality.
I heard he likes to get butt banged by donkeys.
That's fake Lou. Yes, trolly troll troll. I hope that's

(44:55):
good enough for you. That and he likes to take
shots in the mouth as much as possible, big fan.
He's a big fan of getting cream pied right in
the mouth, right down the throat. Thank you, trolly troll.
I hope that will suffice. And we're trying to do
a serious show here. Can we get through one show
without talking about butt banging? Railroad bum is here, Yes,

(45:16):
with one for the goal. Railroad bumb I cut that video.
It's gonna be on the first episode of Internet and
Saturday Circus came out. Great. It's you and a cabin
and it zooms in the cabin. You're on the second
floor in a window, you and your son. It's gonna
be great. Thank you, Railroad Bump for your kindness, generosity
and support. Always happy to see the railroad bump showing

(45:39):
up in my life chat. And we thank you for
your kindness, generosity and support of the show much much appreciated.
Fake Lou says, you're going down after that rant. Don't
you have some donkeys to bang, Fake Lou, don't you
have some shots in the mouth to take? Right? Suffer Lou.

(45:59):
All right, we're going to get to We're going to
get to the video here one moment. So we have
a video from doctor Todd Grande. You may have seen
him on YouTube. I like his channel. He's just a
psychiatrists psychologist. Geez, you know, I'm not sure he's either

(46:21):
a psychiatrist or a psychologist. I think he is a psychiatrist,
and he does these videos on YouTube on various different
topics and analyzes things from a psychological point of view.
I have found his videos to be pretty helpful. In fact,
I've messaged him twice now asking him to do a
psychological assessment of David Wilcock. I even sent him a

(46:42):
clip a video that was clipped right ah, but so
far he hasn't done that. Just checking in with a goal.
It looks like we're at five of twenty A quarter
of the way to the goal. Will we hit it tonight?
I believe we can. I'm hopeful that we can, and
I will periodically check in with the live chat. Nothing

(47:05):
so far over there, but we appreciate you guys being
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(47:48):
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every night, so please do hit the subscribe button if
you have not already. Yes, Max says, pay up dude. Yes,
I've always wondered why people think someone going after the

(48:10):
creeps are the ones that should explain why. That's the
big guys that don't need to have an excuse for
what they do. Well, people ask me and they're like, what, man,
why do you care about? Why do you even care?
Let you know, And some people have the attitude if
they're that stupid, let them get scammed. But I got
to tell you, you know, I almost became a Harry Krishna. No, lie,

(48:35):
I really did. I was having a lot of problems,
and I was like depressed, and I was having drug
and other issues, right, the alcohol related issues. I guess
this is a very very long time ago. And yeah,
I suddenly became homeless, and then I was going to

(48:56):
to this cult compound because somebody told me that they
would feed you, and they would, but then they try
to recruit you and make you sell flowers at the
airport twelve hours a day, you know. So I don't know,
I understand how somebody can be in a bad position
and become vulnerable to cult like recruitment or cult like

(49:18):
belief systems. Right, so we've got our fair use batter up.
We're still gonna say, we are, you know, sharing these
videos to educate the public. And so this next video
is called the self help YouTuber who started a cult

(49:39):
a And if you search on YouTube, you'll find an
awful lot of exposed videos of this woman. I don't
believe she is very well liked by anybody but her
her own followers. Sadly, most people that I have seen,
even the fairest of people I have seen, take a
look into the this woman walk away going this woman's

(50:01):
a cult leader. You know, maybe that's just my own opinion.
Feel free to form your own opinion. Don't let my
opinion inform yours, but I will try to. I'm going
to try to educate as many people as possible and
give you information and you can make your own determination.
So this video is like thirty five minutes long, perfect,

(50:23):
and there's a warning associated with this video, so viewer
discretion as advised because this video contains heavy discussions of
child abuse and also people are aliving themselves, so just
be warned.

Speaker 10 (50:41):
So my thing on YouTube has accidentally become talking about
influencers who have fallen victim to cults. But today we're
talking about an influencer who has been accused of starting
a cult and who despite having an entire docuseries made
about it that she consented to creating, she still denies
any allegations that she is a dangerous leader. Enclaims that
the documentarians were liars who bent her truth.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
What do you think happened with Martin Luther King?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yeah? And the funny thing is about this is the
Hulu documentary producers followed her around for three years. So
she's saying like, Oh, they were deceptive and they took
things out of context. They followed you around for three years.
I would think after following you around for three years
they would be able to reach a conclusion about if

(51:28):
you're a cult leader or a real spiritual guru. That's
just my opinion.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
You think happen with Christ? What do you think Hapvin
was Gandhi?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
She compares herself to Gandhi, Jesus, and Martin Luther King
with me?

Speaker 10 (51:41):
Meet Mary Teal Busworth, known online as teal Swan, a
self proclaimed spiritual teacher, author, and YouTuber with over one
point five million subscribers. She presents herself as a guiding
light for those struggling with trauma, depression, and emotional crises
and has optimized her videos so that anyone who's struggling
a type i'd be greeted buy one of her videos.

(52:04):
She admits to using specific tags to target desperate and
vulnerable people in an interview with Jennings Brown on episode
three of The Gateway podcast.

Speaker 6 (52:11):
She wants to get her message to people when they're
desperate in dire need. She has good SEO. It's all intentional.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
I specifically try to go for tags and things like
that that get to capture that audience when you're in
a desperate state. It's not sophistate people like when they're
in that state, they type and shit like I just
lost my mother, What the fuck do I do? Literally,
that will be the Google I've line. So even when
we're doing videos, to go add things like that, So
the title or if somebody has just had a break
up or whatever, does the video also.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
So this is very disturbing because in this podcast interview
she directly admits in her own words that she is
targeting suicidal people, people that just experienced the traumatic breakup,
desperate people, people that are experiencing trauma. She specifically tailors

(53:00):
the SEO on her videos so that she gets to
the vulnerable people. This to me is very troubling that
you would specifically target vulnerable people. And as we have
seen with David Wilcock and many many others, they all
target vulnerable individuals. That's who they scrape the money from,

(53:23):
very vulnerable people, you know. But the fact that this
woman just admitted on a public podcast that she specifically
tailors her SEO to get to the people who want
to unlive themselves, to get to the people who are depressed,
to get to the people who just experienced a breakup
or a death in the family and they're experiencing grief

(53:47):
or trauma. She is literally a misery merchant. She's going
after people's people that are miserable and offering them a solution.
And I don't believe that her solution does anything but
line her pockets. After my careful research and examination into.

Speaker 6 (54:07):
Her, teal was explicit she uses tags that target people
when they're having suicidal thoughts.

Speaker 10 (54:13):
So she has her captive audience. Teal Swan claims that
she is an expert in human suffering and focuses on
healing trauma through spiritual practices. Her most popular videos have
titles how to Open Your third eye, how to heal
the emotional body, how to use your intuition, and how
to get rid of anxiety. Once you click, you're greeted
with teal Swan speaking to you softly in front of

(54:33):
a green screen, telling you to embrace your emotions.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
The alternative is to completely embrace your emotions and your feelings,
no matter how painful or uncomfortable they may be.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
And by the way, I'm going to try to say
this as politely as possible, this woman uses her femininity
to manipulate people. I believe that that is the case here.
She's I don't know, not my type, but some would

(55:05):
say that she's extremely attractive, charismatic, confident and well spoken,
you know, like we've been saying here, that's the mark
of a con man. A con man is short for
confidence man. She speaks very confidently and with authority, and
she I believe she uses her femininity and her By

(55:26):
the way, she's a former model. She was a model
for a time before she became a spiritual guru, you know.
And I have spoken firsthand to some of her former
male followers who told me that they believe that she
used her feminine Let's just say feminine charms on them

(55:50):
to manipulate them, and there's a lot of evidence that
she does use her feminine charm to manipulate men. I
don't know so much about the female followers, but it
seems very clear that she's using her charisma and her
sex appeal to manipulate her followers.

Speaker 10 (56:11):
And for many people this works. The comments are flooded
with testimonies of people who've been deeply affected by the video.
One person writes, Teal literally has the presence of a mother.
She's so caring and nurturing in a way, it felt
like Teal was an angel. Another replies, She's one of
my mother figures. I think maybe the second most important
to my heart to money. She's a savior, a gentle,
healing mother figure that they never had, a vessel of

(56:33):
something larger. Amongst her claims are that she is the
reincarnation of ci Barba, an Indian spiritual master and saint,
and she is continuing his mission to end human suffering
in this life.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Yeah, maybe his past life is Sibabama and r.

Speaker 10 (56:48):
What was kind of your could you say what your
intention of.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
That life was?

Speaker 4 (56:55):
My intention was to find an end of suffering. It
seems to be like an ago.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
That's funny. Many of the men in the audience are like,
they're gonna dump our atoms for a new spiritual healer guru. Right, Yeah,
she's definitely more attractive than Sarah's kind of a slop.
She's kind of a pig. She's like twenty five pounds overweight.
She's you know, filled with plastic and botox and fillers.

(57:20):
This girl at least looks like natural. She doesn't look
like she's had work done if she has.

Speaker 10 (57:26):
But beneath the soft spoken wisdom and New Age mysticism
lies something far more unsettling. Her teachings have been accused
of encouraging dependency, isolation, and causing multiple sides. Her followers
hang onto her every word, viewing her as a messiah
but the true cult.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Some people have said that her teachings have caused multiple
people to unalive themselves. That's very disturbing. The fact that
YouTube lets her continue after some of her videos may
have caused the actual death of some of her followers.
It's kind of crazy to me, but here we are.

Speaker 10 (58:03):
Allegations actually don't lie within her millions of online followers,
but within her inner circle.

Speaker 8 (58:08):
The people who.

Speaker 10 (58:08):
Left behind their families, their identities, and in some cases,
their own autonomy to follow her and live in the community.
Not allowed to have partners, to have children, or to
have any relationships outside of the Inner Circle in exchange
for them.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
By the way, so here we go, she tells her
inner circle members, You're not allowed to have a boyfriend,
a girlfriend, a child, or any relationships at all outside
of our group. That is cult isolationism. They isolate you
from the rest of the world so that they can
more easily manipulate you. That's pretty much cult dynamics one

(58:42):
oh one loyalty.

Speaker 10 (58:43):
They are offered room and board and the promise of
spiritual healing through their proximity to Teal. Technically, you can
leave when you want, but at great cost. It's your
uncle herman here. I'm still an alpha male and let's
get into the cult of Teal Swan.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
This video is extremely well made and what caused me
to say, I'm not going to make my own video.

Speaker 10 (59:05):
Teal began her career in the early twenty tens. She
began by selling frequency paintings. These are paintings of vibrations
that Teal claims to be able to perceive through her
divine connection to the universe.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Yeah, so she sells you these paintings and they're supposed
to have magical properties, right, Like, you can achieve Enoch
consciousness by hanging this painting on your wall, right, or
spiritual gobbly gook by hanging this painting on your wall.
And they're very expensive or you know, thousands of dollars,

(59:39):
I believe.

Speaker 10 (59:39):
And you can buy them for upwards of one thousand
dollars and hanging over.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
One thousand, okay, well a bargain.

Speaker 10 (59:45):
Living space to absorb this vibration. These are paintings that
promise to bring you anything from christ consciousness to abundance
to divine feminine activation.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah. So for one thousand dollars, you just hang this
painting on your wall, according to teal Swan, and you
get rice consciousness, divine feminine activation, whatever the fuck that is, right,
and all kinds of things. Abundance, manifest money offer, you know,
low price for a thousand dollars and it's easy. You
just hang it on your wall and it attracts whatever

(01:00:16):
it's supposed to into your It manifests for you. Right.

Speaker 10 (01:00:20):
And in twenty eleven she started posting YouTube videos about spirituality, trauma, healing,
and mental health.

Speaker 8 (01:00:25):
At first glance, her content seems like scattered.

Speaker 10 (01:00:28):
Health topics like shadow work, manifestation, how to find happiness,
how to find your purpose, and how to find your
spirit guide. But if you watch enough of her videos,
a pattern.

Speaker 8 (01:00:37):
Begins to emerge.

Speaker 10 (01:00:38):
Unlike most to encourage self discovery and critical thinking, she's.

Speaker 8 (01:00:43):
The one with the ers.

Speaker 10 (01:00:44):
She is the divine truth and has access to spiritual
entities that you don't, and therefore, if you don't follow
her advice, you're resisting the divine truth. Tea claims to
have access to a higher plane. She claims to have
been born extra sensory and clairvoyant, meaning that she can
see metaphysical things that other people cannot see.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
I was born on extrasensory Wow. No, I know that
a lot of people like to attack this, But how
the hell is somebody going to prove that they're extrasensory? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Well, I can devise a series of tests to determine
whether you actually have any greater than human abilities, but
people like TiAl Swat never want to take my tests.
Because I'm a former professional magician and mentalist, I know
all the tricks that they use, including cold reading and
hypnotic conduction techniques and neuro linguistic programming and more. Most

(01:01:33):
of them just use cold reading, though.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
You're going to have an issue with that. One thing
I would ask you is how is it that I
have the information that I have at twenty six, twenty nine,
thirty now thirty three? How do I have all this information?

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Oh, you've read a lot of WU books. Maybe because
one thing I have found in evaluating I watched maybe
fifty hours of her lectures lessons that are freely available
on the internet. There's nothing original here. It's all cobbled together,

(01:02:08):
much like David Wilcock or many others. It's cobbled together.
She takes bits of Hinduism and Buddhism, mixes in a
little bit of Christianity. You know, she likes Christ's consciousness
and basically Madame Blovotsky's theosophy sort of New Age, and

(01:02:30):
also the early twentieth century spiritual movement. You know, she
can basically channel your dead grandmother as well and talk
to the dead. So, but there's nothing at all inherently
unique about what she teaches. It's all cobbled together. So

(01:02:51):
she claims that she has all this wisdom and knowledge
through supernatural you know, prayter natural abilities. But yet it's
all found in books that precede her by decades, in
some cases by many decades. So I'm not buying that
you're getting your teachings from some divine extra sensory ability.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
It's because of extrasensory I'm not limited to this dimension
or time space reality.

Speaker 10 (01:03:19):
She also claims that her extra sensory abilities are like
a disability because it's such a cus to be able
to see the world this way.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
My form of extrasensory abilities is not a talent that
I've developed. It is a curse I came in with.
It's like having a disability.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
We're supposed to feel sorry for her because she has
supernatural abilities. Like, this part didn't make sense to me,
but it is what it is. Friends.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
Your brain is normally set up only to perceive the
three D reality. My brain was not set up that way.
It's more like somebody on the autistic spectrum.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Oh, thank you Mace.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
With this fusion merging.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
See yeah, there's some Rudolf Steiner thrown in there.

Speaker 10 (01:04:00):
As a disabled person myself, I must admit I don't
love the idea that she's comparing disability to a curse,
but she is very adamant that she is a victim
of these great abilities and gifts and is being forced
to share them with the world and create a multimillion
dollar empire. She claims to be able to see a
person's aura and understand a person's suffering.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Yeah, I'm sure many men take one look at her
and go, I could fix her right? Why are why fools?
Thinks he can fix her right.

Speaker 10 (01:04:28):
Potentially more than they can understand it themselves. She claims
that her expertise on human suffering has not just come
from her metaphysical abilities, but also the amount of suffering
that she has had to endure as a child, because
before Teal Swan became a spiritual teacher and influencer, she
claims that she was a victim of satanic ritual abuse. Now,
this backstory is absolutely key to understanding the person.

Speaker 8 (01:04:47):
Behind Teals Swan.

Speaker 10 (01:04:49):
It's full of some of the most horrific suffering that
one can imagine, and it's also worth noting that many
people have attempted to debunk her story. So I'm going
to take a moment in this video to give you
guys some context about this without going into two many
of the gruesome details. So this story begins with the
Satanic Panic of the late nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties.

Speaker 11 (01:05:06):
Al Terry authorities tell us that the most serious, or
perhaps the most dangerous kind of devil worship comes in
the form of underground cults. Most of them are very secretive,
usually organizing clandestine rituals in the dark of night, although
ceremonies sometimes involve the sharing of animal blood to gain power,
they say, but cult members believe their strength really comes

(01:05:28):
from secrecy.

Speaker 10 (01:05:29):
Satanic panic was a phom that occurred in the States,
a large part of which occurred in Utah and southern California,
and can be traced back to one particular therapist known
as Barbara Snow, who used a technique memory regression to
coach children, intermitting that they had been victims of Satanic
rituals and had witnessed atrocities such as keeping up by cannibalism, trafficking, torture,

(01:05:50):
the sacrificing of animals and children, and for abuse, all
in the name of worship. It all revolves around the
idea that Satanic abauta will have happened to you or
your child, but because of the trauma of their memory,
your brain has repressed it in an effort to protect itself,
and therefore you would not know that this has happened
to you without the regression therapy that Barbara Snow provided

(01:06:11):
almost every.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Yeah, so basically nobody remembered being ritually satanic abuse. Nobody
remembered actually suffering ritual satanic abuse until Barbara Snow put
them under hypnosis and then they suddenly recover these memories
that I believe are implanted. They're false memories. She used
a lot of coercive techniques to get people to say

(01:06:33):
that they were ritually abused in some sort of satanic ceremony.
So it's very problematic, and by the way, I have
it yet, But I will put the video. I will
put the links to the videos that we're sharing and
discussing tonight in the description of video. Be sure to
check out each of those channels. They do good work.

Speaker 10 (01:06:50):
Free report of satanica has been found through this memory
regression technique. These memory regression sessions have been largely dismissed
and debunked by modern cycle At the time, it resulted
in tens of thousands of innocent parents, relatives, and close
family friends being accused of perpetrating this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Attee her husband's were married, when no.

Speaker 10 (01:07:09):
Such things could be proven. Now, of course, the default
position should always be to believe victims whether or not
their claims can be proven, but this was different because
the victims did not know that they were victims until
they'd had this so called memory regression, and it seemed
more likely that Barbara and her associates had been implanted
in creating these memories during the sessions, rather than having

(01:07:30):
their clients organically remembering something that actually happened to them,
Barbara was known to ask pressing questions and convince people,
usually children, that they were remembering something. She would dismiss
their doubts and instead pressed to encourage them to elaborate
on increasingly bizarre and horrific claims.

Speaker 8 (01:07:44):
In a nineteen ninety four New.

Speaker 10 (01:07:46):
York Times article that conducted the first empirical study on
these allegations of Satanic rituals, they claimed that of the
twelve thousand accusations of this that they investigated, not one
could be substantiated with evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
So this is very, very important researchers found after evaluating
and investigating more than twelve thousand accusations of group cult
sexual abuse based on Satanic ritual, not one that investigators
have been able to substantiate. So what's going on here

(01:08:19):
is clearly someone is experiencing false memories that are being
implanted through hypnotic suggestion while in hypnotic regression sessions. In
my opinion, and most notorious for doing this was this
woman Barbara Snow, who her crazy form of therapy actually

(01:08:43):
causes people to be falsely arrested for an essay and
abuse of children and people spent to my best of
my recollection about the Satanic Panic, they spent years in
prison and then they were their names cleared. In other words,
they spent years in prison and then they the system

(01:09:05):
figured out like, oh, this is false memory syndrome, This
isn't none of this really happened. So an awful lot
of tragedy involved with the Satanic Panic claims the survey
found all coming from Teal Swan's one time therapist, Barbara Snow.
Not all, but a great deal of it came from her.

(01:09:26):
She was one of the leading proponents of this memory
recovery technology.

Speaker 10 (01:09:32):
There was not a single case where there was clear
corroborating evidence for the most common accusation that there was
a well organized, intergenerational Satanic cult who missedd and tortured
children in their homes or schools for years and committed
a series of murders. So why am I telling you this?

Speaker 8 (01:09:47):
Well?

Speaker 10 (01:09:47):
Teal Swan grew up in Utah in a rural Mormon community,
and her backstory is all based off being abused by
a man who she calls Doc, who she says was
part of a Satanic cult and from the age of
six up until she was nineteen years old. She says
that she was a victim of this Satanic ritual abuse.
And Barbara Snow herself was Teal's therapist during the early
two thousands when Teal was in her early twenties and

(01:10:09):
had just escaped this alleged cult. But before we go
further into this rabbit hole, I want to take a caurtion.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Okay, so this is an ad read he does. Let's
piss forward, pass that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
Wake up three twenty two am, walk out to the
end of the driveway and he'd pick me up and
we'd go do these cult rituals.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Where were her parents when she's leaving the house at
three twenty two am with the strange man that wants
to do occult rituals with her. I don't know. Listen.
I understand that some people say, well, if somebody claims
that they were essayed or art or abused physically, sexually, mentally,

(01:10:52):
you know you have to believe them. But in this case,
I'm sorry, I don't believe this woman was abused, not
in the manner that she claims. Maybe she suffered some
kind of childhood abuse, but I mean, come on, they
essayed her and then would constantly make her get you know,

(01:11:15):
terminate multiple pregnancies. They somehow took her to like a
funeral home and then they cut open a dead body
and sowed her inside a dead body. That's one of
her most famous stories. That is crazy. And of course
there's no evidence or corroborating witnesses to all this abuse.
Where were her parents? They just let some guy pick

(01:11:36):
her up at three am and take her somewhere and
do satantic rituals with her. It doesn't make sense, friends, So.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
This is so I'll explain this person. The context of
my childhood isn't going to make sense unless I do
that because the particular man who was what they call
my keeper in this group had multiple personality issues, like
big ones where one minute you'd call him by one
name and he wouldn't even know who you were talking to,
you know, and then he'd so basically, it's like a

(01:12:06):
personality which would often be the one that people in
the society saw, and he was like a really educated,
super charismatic or typical sociopath type of a person who
could have just pulled one on anybody. So that was
that personality. The other personality, which he called egnever ironically,

(01:12:30):
was like super evil and was kind of Satanic.

Speaker 10 (01:12:34):
Tealswrong claims that she was very tortured by a man
who was part of a Satanic cult. She claims to
have seen children sacrifice before her eyes. She claims to
have been sex traffic drugged, and taken away in her
sleep to Satanic rituals, and has done many lengthy public
interviews about her story.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Yes, and it's interesting that she claims that she's she
witnessed children being ritually sacrificed on satanic altars and things
like this. Well, did you go to the police. No,
she went to YouTube and made videos about it. It
doesn't make sense, the story does not It just doesn't

(01:13:11):
hold work for me.

Speaker 10 (01:13:12):
In two thousand and six, Barbara Snow filed a police
report against Teal's claiming Satanic ritual, but this case was
later closed due to lack of evidence. Now I must
be careful here because I'm aware that I just talked
about the history of Satanic panic and Barbara Snow and
basically dismissed it all and describing her trauma, which is
incredibly similar to the kind of memory regression stuff that

(01:13:34):
was dismissed. I think it's important to note here that
I'm not saying Teal is definitely making up their story,
because when a victim comes forwards with these details, I
do want to believe them. I obviously don't know if
it's true, or if parts of it are true and
other parts are exaggerated. You can come to your own conclusion,
but it is interesting to look at the facts.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
I have just checked in with the Goal, my friends,
God bless the goal. We are at five of twenty
and we've been on a three week streak, so let's
let the streak continue. For those on Aware, I read
every single super chat. I think every person who gives
a sub or a membership. We give you a big

(01:14:13):
shout out and thank you. So let's stand up, let's
be counted, and let's hit the goal. Friends, Let's continue here.

Speaker 10 (01:14:23):
You see, Teel herself claims that these memories were never repressed.
She seems to be the only person in this satanic
panic who remembers everything without having to do memory regression,
and that she was aware of all of this.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
Went to work like bleeding me, doing all kinds of
horrific stuff to try to get me to come back
to Christ. So my childhood technically it started before him.
That was when I really conceive.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
That's a goody.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
That my childhood when I got brought into them and
I really didn't belong to my parents anymore. All the
way to nineteen, I was with these groups, and specifically
with this man. Now, when you are part of a
lot of these groups, and now we're talking Satanic specifically,
what they'll do is they'll assign somebody like me. They
call me an oracle. An oracles is a role where

(01:15:12):
somebody has the ability to access the underworld or whatever.
So we oracles are not actually allowed to take care
of ourselves at all.

Speaker 10 (01:15:22):
However, I once close friend of Teal was interviewed for
The Gateway Podcast, which is a six episode investigation into
Teal Swan by Jennings Brown, which I highly recommend and
we'll link below.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
This is very good actually, And you know, I have
so many questions when I hear her claims like her
parents just gave her to a Satanic coal but yet
they were bleeding her to make a return to Christianity.
Then why are you sending her off with Satan dude
to get essayed and you know, used as an oracle? Right?

(01:15:56):
Sam Corbin says, got to make that money. Yes, God
bless the goal? Where little light on the goal tonight?
Sam Corbin, Right, Well, Street, every streak has to end someday,
and I'm prepared for it. So but we'd still like
to keep that streak going. And we have timer on

(01:16:17):
the goal.

Speaker 11 (01:16:19):
We have.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Forty one minutes. Let's keep the streak going. Forty one
minutes on the goal. Forty one minutes left on the goal.
My friends, one moment here, Oh we have Dave seven
two four four. Was she in the twenty eighteen Imperium

(01:16:42):
Meta documentary. I have no actual idea, but thank you
for that not one for the goal, but we'll take
it anyway. The one sort of goal are five or more.
But thank you all for your kindness, generosity and support.
Every dollar helps. So what we're going to hear now
is that some of her some of the people that

(01:17:05):
knew her at the time she's claiming this interaction with
the Satanic cult, dispute her claims.

Speaker 10 (01:17:13):
In this interview, Tory explains that Teal tried to convince
her that they had known each other before and had
both been victims of the same cult. Tory was referred
to Barbara Snow by Teal, who said that Barbara would
help her remember. Toy then claims that Barbara tried to
tell her things about her childhood that were not true.

Speaker 12 (01:17:29):
We got in a fight because she was telling me
these things that were insane. She began to start telling
me that I had actually grown up with her and
that I was a part of this cult that she
had been experiencing. That we met when we were at
this ritual in the woods in the mountains. It was

(01:17:52):
like a child sacrifice, and she would kind of say
things like do you remember the trees? Do you remember
a fire that the people? And I'm like like, I
don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
That's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Yeah, and then the so called therapist is getting angry
at her because she's not remembering what the therapist is
telling her to remember. That's a big red flag that
this is bullshit.

Speaker 12 (01:18:17):
She just said that there was a lot of work
that I needed to do because I was repressing all
of these memories of being abused to the degree that
she I don't know she had been talking about. He
just got in this argument that ended with me like
just like being in tears because I'm like, like I

(01:18:38):
care about you, like as a friend, but I don't
I can't grasp this, Like I don't understand what you're
doing here, Like why you're telling me this and why
you're trying to convince me so much that this thing happened.
You remember the blue fly she just like wrote down
on a piece of paper.

Speaker 10 (01:18:56):
Barbara Snow, another childhood friend, on a podcast and claimed
that Teal had also convinced her that she had repressed
memories that she needed to uncover.

Speaker 13 (01:19:05):
Well, and even you, even though you didn't recover a memory,
I imagine you were still like brainstorming a lot of
like potential Snow as it could have. Like the thoughts
are always there in your mind. You're still like exposing
your brain constantly to like images of you being almost
even though you know that you're just.

Speaker 14 (01:19:21):
You look through every aspect of your life and question it,
and then you don't know your life anymore. There's what's real,
what's not real? It you lose your life trying to
find things that weren't there in your life.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
That that's sad.

Speaker 14 (01:19:39):
You kind of kind of die a little inside from it.

Speaker 10 (01:19:43):
So in my eyes, it's very possible that Teal did
not have any memory of this satanic abuse until meeting
Barbara Snow. And if it was Barbara Snow who supposedly
uncovered these memories of Teals, I would have more reason
to believe that Teal was a victim of Barbara's false memories.
But this backstory is key to tea selling point because
since Teel has suffered all of this gophic apiece and

(01:20:03):
has come out as a functioning and healed human being,
it gives other people who are suffering or have suffered
hope that they too can be healed.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
My life path was one of extreme suffering, like the
worst kind of suffering that you can experience as a physical.

Speaker 15 (01:20:16):
Human and it just seems like a plot, right, Like,
not only not only is she like an incredibly empathic
and psychic spiritual guru, but she's overcome just horrific abuse
and healed herself, so therefore she.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Can heal you. I think that is the marketing device.
Sam Corbin hearing the call of the goal. Now we
are at six of twenty with thirty seven minutes remaining
on the timer. Will we hit it? Thank you, Sam
Corbin saying hope Iam not to be confused with opium. Yeah,

(01:21:02):
thank you for your kindness, generosity and support of the show.
We only need fourteen more people to hear the call
of the goal to keep the streak going. Why a
white fools wants to see that Adam's apple? No, I
believe she's a naturally born woman. We know she was
born a woman. At least we think we know that. Right.

(01:21:24):
She's got the San Pacu eyes. Yes, I've heard about that.
Many cult people have that, right, Adam and Chris says,
I have a repressed memory and a past life. I
was an Egyptian priest and I personally witnessed ra Tel
David Wilcock to praise the cash. That is correct what
our soldiers saying, he can fix her. Yeah, everybody thinks

(01:21:45):
they can fix her.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
That teaches you a lot, and it gets you out
of a lot of boxes and a lot of paradigms,
and you have to figure it out. And so by
virtue of combining the information that I have that most
people don't have access to because of their perceptual incapacities,
and also the fact that I suffered my ass off
and had to find a way to create solutions for it,

(01:22:06):
I have now evolved into a person who does have
many of these answers.

Speaker 10 (01:22:09):
Now, there have been two documentaries made about Teal Swan.
The one I referred to in the introduction is called
The Deep End and came out in twenty twenty two.
This one Teal does not like, as it depicts her
as a potentially harmful cult leader. But there was a
documentary made in twenty seventeen that paints her in a
much more favorable light. It was an independent project, meaning
it was produced without the influence of a major network,

(01:22:30):
and so unlike the Hulu documentary, which had the resources
to bring in external voices and a broader range of perspectives.
This earlier film was created with a more controlled narrative.
In the twenty seventeen documentary, Teal takes her in her
childhood diaries. At just eight years old, she was writing
that she had been abused. I think that this documentary
solidified in my own opinion for me, which is that,
regardless of whether or not what Teal has been through

(01:22:50):
is in any way related to a Satanic cult, I
do think it's clear that she's been through something in
her childhood and was evidently suffering.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
You don't see what you were doing child abuse? Yeah,
that picture was taken of me when I was six
years old, the exact year that I was inducted.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Into the cult.

Speaker 10 (01:23:16):
She also details in this documentary that happened. People can
say about her is that she's leading a culture. She
claims that she empowers and does not force anybody to
follow her beliefs.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
Also wish that people knew more about the criteria concert
what I did. That is an exact oppos what a
cult can do. In fact, a cult can't exist unless
one person is empowered and the rest of them are unempowered.
Besides that, you know, teaching people to trust themselves that's
your recipe for loss of control. So unless I'm the

(01:23:48):
worst cult leader that ever existed.

Speaker 10 (01:23:52):
Yeah, So Teal has been battling with cult allegations as
far back as twenty seventeen, which was somehow eighty years ago,
even though it feels like yesterday. So let's look into
her teachings and why she's been so contract So that's
a man.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
I know she was born a woman, dude, Heil is
very predictory.

Speaker 10 (01:24:10):
In twelve, Teal's first one on one client took her
own life. For the sake of this video, I'll call
this client Joanne. Joanne had been struggling with depression for
many years. After seeking help through traditional roots and taking antidepressants,
she saw out Teal Swan for alternative therapy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
And this is this is where things get extremely dark.
So her first one on one student unlived herself after
involving herself with Teal Swan. And this is the problem
that I have with many of these spiritual gurus. If
someone is suicidal, you don't take advantage of them financially

(01:24:47):
or otherwise, or emotionally or any in any way. You
encourage them to get professional help, meaning a psychiatrist, a psychologist,
a medical doctor, someone who is trained to deal with
those situations. Teal Swan is neither trained nor educated to
deal with these situations, but it hasn't stopped her from

(01:25:08):
treating people in those situations, which makes this even more predatory.

Speaker 10 (01:25:13):
Who teals one on one sessions she uncovered suppressed memories
of extreme childhood trauma involving her father. Joanne's husband was
also a follower of Teal and claims that Teal told
him that he had been married to her in a
past life. We don't know why Joanne took her own
life and what role Teal may or may not have
played in it, but it did spark a larger conversation
about the dangers of the way that Teal speaks about
death and the decision to end one's life. Teal asks

(01:25:35):
her followers to sit with the idea of dying, to
visualize it, and because she believes in reincarnation, she promotes
the idea that to take your own life is to
hit a reset button. She will tell you that she
is braver than traditional psychology because she confronts people with
these thoughts head on and asks them to sit with
them rather than telling them platitudes, but many mental health
professionals have called Teal's methods reckless and harmful. Teal rejects

(01:25:57):
traditional qualify in this field. She claims that she does
not need one as she has divine knowledge and experience
traditional academic roots. However, in twenty seventeen, she did receive
a cease and assist from the State of Utah for
attempting to practice mental health therapy without a license.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
So she got a fine from the State of Utah
practicing or engaging in representing oneself to be practicing or
engaging in, or attempting to practice or engage in an
occupation or profession requiring licensure. Under this title, the person
is not licensed to do so or not exempted from
licensure under this practice of following mental health therapy, Teal

(01:26:39):
Swan posted a video on her YouTube site teal Swan
demonstrates the completion process live. The video shows teal Swan
conducting a session with the client named as Blank. Description
labels the video as teal Swan takes Blank through the
completion process, where they work to transform persistent social and anxiety.

(01:27:00):
Social Anxiety is a diagnostic and statistical manual, fifth edition
diagnosable order. Miss Swan establishes the diagnosis of societal anxiety
and proceeds to engage in the professional intervention for the
treatment of societal anxiety. Miss Swan applies known psychotherapy techniques
so they find her she never paid the fine. I

(01:27:24):
would like to know how much the fine was, because
this girl's making millions of dollars. Why could she not
pay the fine? But it is what it is.

Speaker 10 (01:27:33):
Fine was never paid and around this time Teal Swan
relocated to Costa Rica to start running her retreats there.
This was a direct result of a video where Tilswan
takes a client through her completion process. Now, the completion
process is teal Swan's signature method of healing. She has
written books about it and claims that this is the
best way to heal trauma. Teal believes that all mental
ailments and some physical ailments are a result of childhood

(01:27:55):
trauma that you may not even remember until you do
her completion process.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
So sound familiar, just like Barbara snow Oh, you might
not remember that horrific satanic abuse that you suffered, but
let me help you remember. Til Swan doing a very
similar methodology here to Barbara Snow and the Satanic panic
repressed memory people. So your trauma may be childhood trauma

(01:28:22):
that you don't even remember, but through me, you'll remember
it and then you'll be able to heal yourself from it.
This is very very predatory.

Speaker 10 (01:28:30):
Friends, I'm a little similar to our friend Barbara Snow,
and it is in my opinion, the process involves asking
what your bad feelings are currently or when you were
last triggered. You're then asked when in your memory you
first felt. This is almost always when the person.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Why does anyone need more than three guitars? Well, you've
got to have a Gibson for heavy you know, rhythm tracks.
You've got to have a strat for leads. You have
to have an acoustic guitar that's three right there. What
about a well string acoustic guitar that's four right there.
We will not allow this SF network. And what if

(01:29:06):
my wife is watching and you're telling her I don't
need more than three guitars. You how much trouble you're
gonna get me in? Don't make me banish you from
the live chat s c F S, the FN network.
All everybody needs. Yeah, you need a bass guitar. That's five.
I'm already up to five. I'm barely trying. What about

(01:29:27):
slide guitar? What about what about a uh?

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
What about uh?

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
I don't know, there's got to be What about a
double guitar? Sometimes those come in handy, right? You ever
see a double guitar? I used to have one. I
don't currently, but come on, oh, I think I missed
a few? Did I miss a few super chats? I did?
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Thank you Rotary Rotary Matrix and Troy Troll Troll for
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to the goal. She should get jailed for practicing mental
health services without a license. A lot of people people
have said that, a lot of people have said that jailed. Right, Yeah,

(01:31:04):
you might want a Flamenco guitar. What about a nylon
string guitar? What about a steel guitar? There's like, there's
no way you could get by with three guitars. And
I'm not, by the way, I'm not even I don't
even consider them. I can play guitar, but I don't
call myself a guitar player. Right, don't forget about having

(01:31:25):
seven string and eight string yet we got to like
nine guitars that you could need. Andrew bis So I
called bullshit on s e FN network, Right, Loot, that's
not a guitar. It's close enough. It's called what about
a mini guitar? Right, a digital guitar? What about a

(01:31:49):
guitar for guitar hero? You need that? What about I
don't know. What about a steel slide tabletop guitar, what
about mand the lens and all that the other guitar variants.
Se FN network is totally wrong. You need more than
three guitars.

Speaker 10 (01:32:07):
As a child, Teal will then ask you to embellish
as much as you can in this scene in which
you were a child, and more often than not, there
will be a parent present who is mistreating you in
some way and causing you to feel this feeling. You
then relive this trauma, sit with the emotion, and you're
supposedly on the path to releasing that emotion. As Teal
claims to know you better than yourself, she's able to
get your repressment out, and so these sessions with that.

(01:32:30):
She holds seminars and retreats where people can go through
this with her or with one of her inner circle.
You see, you can become a certified completion process practitioner
by taking one of her courses.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Yes, so not only is she selling her bullshit, but
she's selling how to do the bullshit to her other followers,
who then so it's not just her that may be
treating people that are mentally vulnerable, mentally ill depressed, suffering
from anxiety, post traumatic stress, all manner of mental ailments.

(01:33:02):
She's training her inner circle followers to do that as well,
so the danger is amplified by her cult like inner circle.

Speaker 10 (01:33:13):
The people that take this course then become almost Teals disciples.
Many of them live with Teal and join her on
her retreats, whilst others.

Speaker 8 (01:33:19):
Retention to practice the completion process.

Speaker 10 (01:33:22):
It is these disciples who I believe are the ones
in Teals cult. You see, the people that follow Teal
online and visit her retreats and seminars or take part
in her Facebook group are all dedicated followers, but they
are not.

Speaker 8 (01:33:33):
Within close enough propation. They may be influenced.

Speaker 10 (01:33:37):
They may be worshiping Teal and holding her in the
same high regard as one might hold a religious dateity.
You could say the same thing about k pot stands
and their idols. I'm not accusing Teal Swan of being
a cult leader on a global scale, but rather in
the way that she controls the disciples that she keeps
in her close circle. This is where the true cult
starts to emerge. Teal lives on a compound with her
closest followers, who all work for her in some capacities.

(01:34:01):
Many of these people have come to her in their
time of need and are completely dedicated to her cause.
She jokes in one interview that she has found a
group of codependent people. There seem to be a type
of innocenceing this both people so, but this is not
a joke. She has actively created a group of people
who are completely codependent. They are dependent on her, and

(01:34:24):
she is dependent on them for creating and upholding her.
Teal Swan Empire are condumnerable people who have nowhere else
to go and whose entire purpose becomes Teal Swan.

Speaker 9 (01:34:38):
No, because I'm in so much pain and I'm holding
like I'm feeling so bad, And she has the answers
that like I'm holding like myself hostage to all this,
like I'm forcing myself, Like this is the way you're desperate,
I'm desperate for Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:34:54):
This is Jared.

Speaker 10 (01:34:55):
Jared came into Teal's life as a vulnerable, desperate man
who had just left his wife and child and the
Mormon church he found spiritual and they became close in
her compound with her and helping her out with her
website and her business. Teale was married at the time,
but told Jared.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
That she and him were married.

Speaker 10 (01:35:14):
Eventually, Teal cheated on her husband with Jared and began
a relationship with him, and her husband slowly got kicked
out of the picture.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Yes, and there's also definitely some I believe, some sexual
exploitation of her followers. You see that she's married, she
gets this guy and she's like, oh, you and I
were meant to be together. So then she spreads her
legs and cheats on her husband, you know, like a slut.

(01:35:41):
When you're in a position of power or authority over people,
sex should never be involved. That's just my opinion. I
don't know. Like in corporate America, I was a supervisor
to many, many female people, and I always made it
a point that I would never ever even the appearance

(01:36:02):
of anything improper or anything, you know, And we had
a great many of like college girls just graduated. We
were hiring hundreds of people. So, you know, if you're
a if you're in a position of power or authority

(01:36:23):
over anybody in any capacity, whether it's religious or any
group really work, you should never ever partake in any
kind of sexual anything with the people under you. But
it seems like Teal like farms her. She farms her
cult for like the next stud that's going to bang her. Right,

(01:36:47):
so she tells this guy we're meant to be together,
and she starts cheating on her husband with this guy.

Speaker 10 (01:36:53):
Like many in Teals in a Circle, Jared was given
a new name, and to her he was known as Fallon.
We can see that many of Teal's followers will adopt
new names once they've become associated with her, as Cion
proudly tells.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Them, many many cults make people give up their old
name and take on a new name, and that is
very culty.

Speaker 10 (01:37:13):
To me camera in the twenty twenty two documentary, my actual.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Legal name is Matthew. Are you familiar with teals work?
Both Till and I at the same time, areake?

Speaker 10 (01:37:23):
Something feels so different to where like my name doesn't
even feel like it matches me anymore?

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
Like this guy looks like totally smitten, right. How many
of the dudes in her cult do you think just
want to bang her? I mean, you know, I know
that's crude thing to say, but uh I it seems
apparent to me that many of the men may be
and in fact, many of the men tell her that

(01:37:49):
they're sexually attracted to her, and that annoys her or
in you know, she doesn't like it when her followers
tell her they're sexually attracted to her. This is she's
basically using every tool she has available to manipulate her followers.

Speaker 10 (01:38:06):
That's some other identity, and then we came up with
this name together. This is a classic way to isolate
people from their lives before joining a cult. To give
them a new name and a new identity allows them
to fully integrate into this new way of life and
leave any community that they were a part of before behind.
Jared has now come out of the Cult of Teal

(01:38:26):
Swan and told his story on the Mormon Stories podcast,
which I will link below. The interview was very telling.
Jared spoke about memory techniques and how during these sessions
he felt like he had to say what she wanted
him to say.

Speaker 9 (01:38:39):
What she said is like, Okay, I'm going to teach
you how to recover your press memories. Lie down and
let your brain show you whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Your brain comes up with.

Speaker 9 (01:38:48):
Yeah, and so you make up these fanciful, horrific tales
of all sorts of disgusting, disturbing things, and you do
it for hours and hours, and you build upon this narrative.

Speaker 16 (01:39:00):
Why didn't she feel like you needed to do?

Speaker 9 (01:39:01):
And really was, but she was all about monitoring, controlling
what I said and who I said it to. And
like if I was on the phone with someone, I
was on speaker and she everyone was listening in and
her and she's to be like, see, like he is
evil or whatever, you know, just like all sorts of stuff.

(01:39:23):
And she wanted me to cut out my family, but
in like a backhanded way of like you know, they're
not good for you.

Speaker 10 (01:39:30):
Jared also claims that he had expressing concerns that she
was worried that people would find her out as a fraud.

Speaker 9 (01:39:37):
So like she's like, everyone's going to know I'm a fraud.

Speaker 16 (01:39:40):
Everyone's going to know.

Speaker 17 (01:39:41):
What would lead to her saying that, what would the
what would be the situation.

Speaker 9 (01:39:44):
Being tired and just moments of honesty. It was late
at night and just moments of honesty, like she would say, what,
I'm afraid everyone's going to know that I'm a fraud.

Speaker 10 (01:39:54):
And Jared is just one of many. Another Devout follower, Andy,
made a video on his experience of teals in a circle,
claims that it functions like a cult.

Speaker 18 (01:40:02):
It's a weird one because it doesn't look or act
like a regular cult.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
In a lot of from one cult to another. It
is a.

Speaker 18 (01:40:11):
Cult, and it does fit the criteria, but it does
in a kind of roundabout way.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
So difficult woman.

Speaker 18 (01:40:16):
It's easy for, for example, Teal to say, I have
the perfect recipe for a cult, but it's not a
cult because of my ethics, which I mean, that's a
whole other it's a whole other can of worms.

Speaker 10 (01:40:26):
So if those that have been in teal circles say
that it's a cult, and her critics say that it's
a cult, is it a cult? Well, Teal will tell
you that these people are her haters and that people
only label her cult leader.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
They're always saying.

Speaker 4 (01:40:43):
Powerful positions, especially in the world, especially if they're pretty,
that they're narcissistic, Like I have to be honest with you,
and I do need to bring this up at this point.
There is nothing more difficult than being a woman in
a powerful position in this world.

Speaker 10 (01:40:58):
So with all of these allegations and concerns bubbling beneath
the surface, a documentary crew began following Teal and created
a four part documentary which many of viewers now take
as evidence that Teal is in fact running a cult,
despite Teal's constant efforts to debunk it. In twenty twenty two,
a four part documentary series called The Deep End was

(01:41:20):
released by providing a detailed inside of Teal Swan. While
kil Swan repeatedly rejects the idea that she runs a cult,
many of the red flags are pretty present in this documentary,
perhaps the most prominent being the way that she appears
to isolate people from their families and insists that they
replace them with her and her culture.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
She isolates people from their families and insists that they
replace their families with her. That's very cult like behavior.
And Adam Chris has heard the call of the goal,
saying save the goal. Let's go. Yeah, let's get there
my friends and I am going to check in with

(01:41:58):
the Kick viewers. It looks like we have Winter Soldier
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Soldier for the kindness, generosity, and support of the show,
and thanks Adam Chris for helping us to get closer
at least to that goal. We are now at nine

(01:42:19):
of twenty with fifteen minutes left. We'd have to get
eleven in fifteen minutes to keep the goal streak going.
Thank you all for your kindness, generosity and support of
the show.

Speaker 10 (01:42:36):
Let's continue Compound, The documentarians hired a private investigator to
investigate claims that Teal Swan was running a cult, and
when the investigator found the document negotiable love the Teal
required of her followers, she concluded that it was indeed
a cult like organization, if not a full on cult.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
And then I was.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Given Oh the private investigator, whoa, WHOA, three, four or
five for the goal, old friends, Thank you Van Shergan,
who's also a member, saying simply, let's go. While the
good news is that means that we are now halfway
to the goal, but that also means that we have

(01:43:15):
fourteen minutes left to fourteen minutes left to get ten more.
Can we hit it? Can we keep the goal streak going?
Halfway there? Thank you Van Shrgan, and thank you Enemy
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(01:43:35):
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Thank you all for your kindness much much appreciated. So
the Hulu documentary producers hired a private investigator to try

(01:44:00):
to figure out if she's running a cult, and what
the private investigator found is very, very disturbing.

Speaker 8 (01:44:06):
With her and her compound.

Speaker 10 (01:44:07):
The documentarians hired a private investigator to investigate claims that
til Swan was running a cult, and when the investigator
found a document of non negotiables, she concluded that it
was indeed a cult like organization, if not a full
on cult.

Speaker 5 (01:44:23):
And then I was given a document that I was
shocked that they were shared with me, which is called
the non negotiables. And this is a list of the
things that people have to agree to if they're going
to be part of this circle. And it does not

(01:44:46):
read well good. I'm not sure if you're aware, but
Mattias shares with me the document called the non negotiables
and can you answer some questions.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
About that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Them in front of me?

Speaker 5 (01:45:06):
But while okay, well, it's uh, you can't put your
own family first. The teal has to come first. If
she wants you there, she gets you the priority of
the entire community is whatever's in the best interests of Teal.

(01:45:27):
Everything else is second to that. You can't have personal
boundaries that have in any way an effect on Teal.
So here's how this one's written. You will now be
in the world of fame. This makes relationships very, very
complicated and often painful. Your associations are, in fact, your
potential biggest liability.

Speaker 8 (01:45:49):
The documentary the whole is interesting.

Speaker 10 (01:45:51):
It mostly focuses on Teal's relationship with her Day One supporter, Blake.
Blake is a man who Teal claims saved her when
she escapes the Satanic cult at nineteen. Formed a romantic
relationship that lasted about a year before deciding to just
be friends, and they have remained living together ever since,
with Blake helping Teal film her videos and run her business.
For nearly two decades. Blake has lived with Teal three

(01:46:11):
five married raise us.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
Remember Sarah R. Adams had that manager taught to gender
and to gender basically dedicated a large part of his
life to helping her with things like her website, her
psychic reading bookings, her live events, her interviews. This guy
dedicated twenty years of his life to this Teal. Swan
even though she wasn't his girlfriend anymore. That's very cult

(01:46:39):
like and weird. And then she basically told them he
wasn't allowed to bang this other chick that he.

Speaker 10 (01:46:45):
Met son and has been with her from the very start,
that is until now. He began a relationship with Juliana,
who he got married to, And the documentary follows Juliana
trying to be integrated into Teal's compound, and then Teal
not liking her and eventually basically kicking Blake and Leanna
out of the compound. The documentary is very much framed
as if Till does not let people join or leave

(01:47:05):
her in a circle very easily, and there's even a
moment where she states that the people in that circle
cannot have relationships or children if they want to remain. Like,
what we need to do as team members is choose
what consequences we say yes to upon bringing a partner
into this circle.

Speaker 4 (01:47:20):
Yeah, it's basically what this boils down to is I
need to be able to get rid of you if
you bring somebody clothes that's dangerous to me. Yeah, I
can't be kept awake at three o'clock in the second
morning before an interview by a screaming baby.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
Wow, all the girls here are some spiritual guru. Right,
I can't be kept awake at three o'clock in the
morning by a screaming baby. I've got interviews to do
every day or whatever. She's supposed to be a spiritual guru.
Sounds like a cult leader to me. You can't have children,
but by the way, she has a child. So this

(01:47:57):
is typical cult like behavior. The rules do not apply
to dear leader, only to the cult members were on board.
Remember up the branch, Davidians, David Koresh. That's a crazy
story of a cult. One day he claimed that he
had a revelation from God, and he went to all
the men in the compound in the cult and said,

(01:48:18):
God told me, you're not allowed to bang your wife anymore,
but I'm allowed what. I can't bang my wife, but
you can, dear cult leader. And people allowed that to happen,
believe it or not. And he had many, many children
because he was banging all the bitches in the cult.
That's crazy that somebody would stay for that. There's some

(01:48:39):
things I hear about in cults that I go, how
could you be okay with that? Right? Steve is reciting
the FBI narrative. I don't know about that. I can't
wait until you are Wait, you are a person.

Speaker 4 (01:48:54):
What.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
Yeah, that sounds like a commitment, sounds of commune.

Speaker 4 (01:49:08):
We need to write this down and want this to
be part of the contract.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Yeah, I'm allowed to get rid of anybody that you
bring in here.

Speaker 10 (01:49:17):
What most people picked up on was Teele's relentless behavior
towards Juliana and the way that she would come at
her in front of a group of people, and then
how this rudeness was reflected on to Blake once he
made the difficult decision to leave. Teal has since attempted
to discredit the documentary, claiming that she was misrepresented and
that the filmmakers had an agenda to make her look bad,
But for many viewers, the Deep End simply confirmed the

(01:49:38):
ex followers for years tills one is not just a
YouTuber giving spiritual advice.

Speaker 8 (01:49:43):
She's a cult And I don't really think you.

Speaker 10 (01:49:45):
Can edit around how truly mean and manipulative Teal was
to Blake and his wife, and the fact that Blake,
her closest friend of nearly twenty years, was kicked out
because he began a relationship on her.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
What do you want to the favorite around like you
guys have been doing to me.

Speaker 10 (01:49:58):
The level of fucking.

Speaker 4 (01:49:58):
Judgment you have on moving in our this is a bitch.
You're a fucking absolute loser.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
I always will be.

Speaker 4 (01:50:04):
Do you think I control others even the way they
see things?

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:50:08):
You think?

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
Not very nice.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
I don't care about people.

Speaker 4 (01:50:11):
Manipulate, Blake, I'm tyrannical, have the wrong values, use people.
I hurt myself and others. I'm powerfree and responsible for
the power struggles between you and me. I want everyone
for myself, around myself with the enablers. Sounds like that
I'm very powerful, that I'm very talented, that I have
a very meaningful mission. How conflicting. Yeah, this is what

(01:50:33):
you've been doing since the innu Landa. You keep insulting me.
It's all over your energy field.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
And this is this is Teo Swan insulting the girlfriend
of her ex boyfriend who ran the business for her.
Sounds like she didn't like another female influence in that
man's life. She likes to, like many cult leaders, to
have total control of her followers.

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
I suggest to talk about that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
Do you when you hear that?

Speaker 4 (01:51:05):
Because if you were aware you have this smirk on
your face.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
No, I'm but Teal is smirking.

Speaker 8 (01:51:14):
I'm afraid.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
So this is like cult group dynamics. She's basically shamed
this girl in front of all her other cult members,
and of course the cult members all agree with Teal,
because you can't. You can't disagree with a cult leader, right.

Speaker 10 (01:51:31):
Teale has posted multiple videos telling her followers that this
documentary was propaganda, but none of this really focuses on
the issues that most people had with her behavior, which
was one the way she treated Blake and Juliana, and
to the contract the private investigator found. She claimed that
this was all cut together to create a story that
didn't happen.

Speaker 4 (01:51:48):
They used trick, editing, fake narratives, conversations taken out of context,
and used all of us, like and Juliana included, to
tell a story they must have intended to tell from
minute one.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Yeah, I don't buy that they followed her around for
three years because and after all, she's the one that
has the contract that says that everybody's family must come
secondary to her. She's the most important thing in their
lives and they can't have spouses, they can't have children.
That's very cult like control sort of behavior.

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):
None of it happened as they showed you.

Speaker 10 (01:52:24):
Ironically, I dare say that the completion process and memory
regression techniques also cut together stories that never happened, but margin,
As many of the comments say, no matter how, she
still said, all those hard words unhumiliated Juliana. In every
commentary video that she has done on the documentary, she
explains that she can't go into detailed debunking every single
thing because her commentary would be longer than the episode itself.

Speaker 4 (01:52:47):
What is the right to go point by point over
all the things that are not accurate or are not truthful.
It is not possible this commentary video would be longer
than the episode itself.

Speaker 10 (01:52:59):
Class videos really thrive on YouTube. I find it a
strange excuse. If she really had the tools to debunk
the entire thing, surely she could just make a video
longer than a forty minute episode. It doesn't really make
much sense as an excuse. Your followers would happily watch
a movie length video if that's what it took to
convince them that what they saw was not a controlling.

Speaker 8 (01:53:17):
Behind the scenes of environment.

Speaker 10 (01:53:18):
My final thought on the documentary is that Teal Swan
claims to have access to the Akashik records. These records
are believed to be the compendium of all universal events.

Speaker 8 (01:53:27):
This means that she can see.

Speaker 10 (01:53:28):
The past, the present, and the future of all entities
and life plones and every thought that's ever been had
and ever will be had. So my question is, if
she can see the future, surely she can see the
consequences of the events that are to play out. Why
would you agree to do this documentary?

Speaker 8 (01:53:43):
If?

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Yeah, this is a very good point. She's supposed to
be so psychic, but she didn't see the documentary filmmaker
snaking her and making her look like a fucking lunatic
and a cult leader. Why if she's so psychic, would
she not have turned that project down and said you
can't film? If TiAl wasn't so obsessed with her, so

(01:54:04):
she wouldn't be bothering to have these filmmakers around in
the first place, serves her right? Yeah, I mean doesn't
make sense.

Speaker 10 (01:54:10):
Who already knew that they would form this narrative and
that people would turn against her? Surely she would have
known that they were going to use this documentary to
try and prove that she was involving people in a cult,
or perhaps her powers are not what she says she are,
and she is manipulating people into building her an empire
for free, because many of these people are volunteers who
work for room and board, while Teal pockets millions of dollars.
Even if she's not keeping them there with force, she's

(01:54:32):
certainly making it difficult to leave.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
She's got her own slave labor force. All these people
living in this compound, all working for her to further
her career, but they don't get any money. She keeps
it all. That's cult like friends. That's what the Christeners do.
That's what many cults do. Scientology bilks their followers for
every penny they can doesn't pay people. They get free slave.

Speaker 8 (01:54:58):
Labor, because where will they go. They want.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
If you've ever been in an airport and you saw
Harry Krishna, if you've ever been in an airport and
you you have seen Harry Christna selling flowers or books.
They give every dime of the money that they get
to the cult. They don't keep it, and some of
them will go to an airport for twelve hours in

(01:55:23):
a day. Right, Oh, we have von Schergan with another
one for the goals, saying save the goal. Well, my friends,
it was a nice streak. We have two minutes and
thirty seconds left on the goal. So unless somebody sends
nine super chats in the next two minutes and thirty seconds,

(01:55:44):
we're going to lose the goal. The poor goal, says
Sam Corbin, and thank you Van Shurgan for trying to
help us get there. Right, all streaks have to end,
and end in fairness, this is an extra show for
the week. Remember, I've been doing three shows since I
don't know, since August, August, September, and up till now

(01:56:09):
in October, we've done three shows a week, and so
this is kind of an extra goal. Maybe it's asking
two much. It's kind of like darkseide Field doing six
twelve streams a week asking for one hundred and fifty bucks. Right,
But we thank you all for trying to help us
get to the goal. We got a little more than

(01:56:29):
halfway to the goal and I will take it. Support
is support. We thank you all for your kindness, generosity
and support of the show. I will check in once
again with the kick with the kick chat. No, it
looks like winter Soldier is our only kick subscriber or
gifted only kick support tonight. Thank you Winter Soldier for

(01:56:50):
that as well. Yeah, we do. We need a sugar daddy.
That's what we need. Right one minute left in the
goal nine to go. Yeah, I don't think we're getting
nine to five dollars supertats in the next one minute
and seven seconds. So it was a good streak while
it lasted. And thank you all for the kindness, generosity

(01:57:12):
and support so far. That doesn't count. According to dsp HA, Yes,
we definitely need a sugar daddy. Right, Sorry Gooses, says
s FN network who doesn't like guitars or people to
have multiple guitars, right, Cyan Goose over there? What did

(01:57:40):
I miss something? I want TiAl to worship me, says Mace.
Nine nine three zero. You should count the gift subscriptions.
We didn't have any gift subscriptions today. I would count
them if somebody. If somebody gives nine nine gifted subs,
I will count that and will continue the goal streak

(01:58:02):
by the end of the broadcast. If somebody gifts nine
gifted subs, we will count that towards the goal. We
didn't get any gifted subs today, so I can't count
what isn't there, but thank you all for your kindness,
generosity and support. Let's finish this video up and I
have one more from you for you for tonight's broadcast.
We will be doing more broadcasts on Teal Swan. You

(01:58:25):
can consider this a multi part series and once we
delve deep enough into Teal Swan and done multiple episodes
on her, we'll move on to another New Age spiritual
cult like.

Speaker 10 (01:58:37):
Guru to leave the compound if their only qualification is
a completion process certificate from an unlacensed practitioner, they have
no money of their own, they have no people outside
of this circle to support them. They're known by a
new name. They're often convinced that their family members traumatized
them early in life. Their survival is completely dependent on
Teal Swan and I believe that she knows that, and

(01:58:57):
she uses that to manipulate people. Whether or not Till
Swan intends to run a cult, the results speak for themselves.
She has built a devotion that sees her as infallible.
She encourages people to reject outside influences. There is no
denying that she has control over her inner circle's lives,
whether or not she wants to admit it. There's also
no denying that her videos have helped people. I think
there is a key difference here between the people who

(01:59:19):
seek answers in her YouTube videos because they are desperate
and cannot afford therapy, and the people who go above
and beyond and pay thousands of dollars for her retreats
and get.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
Yeah, the whales are the ones that she really targets.
The people that are affluent and rich right and can
afford just like David Wilcock and many others, they love
the whales. Hey, do you have thousands of dollars? Come
to my course, right, Noko? With another bit of support,
Swan is a wild ride, says Loka. Thank you Steven Well,

(01:59:50):
thank you for your kindness, generosity and support of the show.
And how about we do this if? Uh so, that's
now we need eight gifted man memberships, any super chats
of five dollars or more. We were at eleven, now
we're at twelve. So if we get eight more or
I can well, I can do a new goal, but

(02:00:12):
I don't really want to do that. Thank you Noka,
who's also a member for your kindness, generosity, and support
of the show much much appreciated. So we will count
any super chats of five dollars or more if we
get eight or more before the end of the broadcast.
Let's forget about the timers if we get eight or more,
and everybody in the audience keep me honest. If I
lose track or something, we will continue the goal hit

(02:00:34):
and the streak continuing. So let's see if we can
get eight more. The goal setter won't let me set
it for eight, and I don't want to set it
for ten and remember to take off two and like
I'm not doing the DSP calculations like he does. Right.
The biggest trick of the cult leader could ever play
as convincing everyone they're not in a cult. Yeah yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 10 (02:01:00):
Admitted into her in a circle and to her compound.
That's where the real danger lies. When vulnerable people attach
themselves to Teal in this way. Teal will tell you
that she can't help that people attach themselves to her,
But you can help running a compound where everyone that
has attached themselves to you does a bunch of free
labor so that you can run an Internet empire that's
taking advantage of vulnerable people. That's the borderline, if not

(02:01:21):
a complete cult. So what do you guys think?

Speaker 8 (02:01:24):
Let me know in the comments.

Speaker 10 (02:01:25):
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Speaker 2 (02:01:30):
All right, well, we made it through that one, and
now I have one that looks at Teal Swan from
a more psychological perspective, and we'll get into that as well. Friends,
if you're just joining us, you're watching truth Seekers and
our new series on new age spiritual guru cult leaders.
We're beginning this series off with Teal Swan and if

(02:01:52):
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(02:02:16):
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(02:02:38):
announced the latest shows. Yeah, come on, guys, Steven took
a chance in taking on a new grifter. Yes, I did.
I did well. You never know. You know, people have
asked me for a long time to check this woman out.
So we have a video from doctor Grande, who very

(02:03:00):
popular on YouTube. He does sort of psychological analyzes of
some of these kind of people and situations and interesting
that like whatever's going on, this guy will do the
psychological analysis. Like when Amber Heard and Johnny DApp were
going at it, he did a psychological analysis. How do

(02:03:22):
you keep a straight face when a girl shits on
their husband's pillow? Right? You need to isolate us from
our families and most importantly, our wallets. That's true. That's true. Yeah, yeah,
come on, guys, you know it's not what We're going
to start our own contract of non negotiables Andrew Bis
And one of the non negotiables is you've got to
send me ten super chats a show, whether you have

(02:03:44):
the money or not. There's credit cards, right, there's loans.
You can take out a second mortgage on your house.
Whatever you have to do. Right, Oh, that's true. Paul
Shield says, I have ghosted communities for groupthink. Yeah, group
think is one of those things. Anyone gooning over her.

(02:04:06):
I think she's got an army of simps gooning over her.
Once Swan reaches her magic number, she will vanish. Yeah,
maybe after she makes enough money, she'll just vanish from
the scene. Right. She was a disappointment in originality, says
the FN Network. Yeah, I mean there's nothing original to

(02:04:28):
her teachings. Like many of these New Age gurus, it's
kind of an amalgam of a lot of different teachings
they find, they make their own mix. We saw Wilcox
kind of does that. We saw Sarah Adams does that

(02:04:48):
of Corey Good did that. They just take what they
find and they remix it for a new audience. Essentially,
this is doctor Grande.

Speaker 19 (02:04:57):
Today's question is can I analyze the Hulu documentary titled
The Deep End, which is about the self proclaimed spiritual
guru Teal Swan. Just a reminder of not diagnosing this video,
only speculating about what could be happening in a situation
like this. If you enjoy this video, please like it,
subscribe to my channel, and consider supporting me on Patreon.

(02:05:19):
I will put the link to Patreon in the description.

Speaker 3 (02:05:23):
To the background of.

Speaker 19 (02:05:24):
Teal, Swan moved to the summary of the documentary, then
offer my analysis. Till Swan was born in Santa Fe,
New Mexico, on June sixteen, nineteen eights. She said that
her parents were hippies or the worst family to According
to Teal, she was different from everybody else. Teal is

(02:05:46):
not limited by time, space, or that reality. She is
a half human, half alien who is the reincarnation of
an Indian guru. Teal claims that her IQ score is
one hundred and seventy, which is over four standard deviations
of the mean. Just to put that in perspective, this
IQ score is higher than the population. Teal claims to

(02:06:10):
possess all kinds of amazing abilities, including extrasensory perception, out
of body travel, thinking and feeling, seeing dead relatives, predicting
the future, and perceiving objects in the spiritual realm. A child,
her amazing powers had a ripple effect across her community.

(02:06:31):
People there believed that only a man could have spiritual gifts. Therefore,
they thought Teal had to be the devil. Teal said
that she was harassed and bullied. She claimed that her
parents were afraid and dragged her to see mental health clinicians.
Teal said that she was diagnosed with several mental disorders,
including schizophrenia, by poor disorder and borderline personality disorder.

Speaker 2 (02:06:53):
After that's pretty scary, and now she's a cult leader. Wow.

Speaker 19 (02:06:59):
This She went to an all alternative therapist who treated her.
Teal claimed that she was mistreated in terrible ways for
almost thirteen years and had to participate in cult rituals.
She spent much of her time in a pit in
the backyard of a criminal offender who used drugs to
sedicate her. Worth noting that this alleged offender stated that
Teal made everything up. Many of Teal's claims of mistreatment

(02:07:23):
came up when she was working with a therapist. The
therapist said that Teal had repressed memories. This is the
idea that the brain can secretly hide traumatic memories, which
can be magically discovered later. There is no scientific reason
to believe that repressed memories are real. This idea has
actually led to a number of false accusations and a

(02:07:44):
lot of problems over the course of many years. Teal
said that when she was nineteen, of course, her parents
took her to China. People there realized that she was
not mentally ill, rather an incredibly special individual who had
amazing gifts. They taught her how to use her abilities.
After returning from China, she worked in modeling and pursued

(02:08:05):
a career as a skier, but ultimately decided to be
a spiritual guru. In twenty twelve, she started a company.

Speaker 2 (02:08:13):
To promote ther leaders a spiritual was to.

Speaker 19 (02:08:15):
Make it large and unstoppable. During her career as a
spiritual guru, Tiel developed her own New Age philosophy and
mental health treatment. She has promoted her controversial ideas on
social media the time making this video. Feel's YouTube channel
has about one point three million subscribers and is viewed

(02:08:36):
over five million times. Not it has been viewed over
one hundred and fifty million times total. There are a
few video titles that I think summarize her channel pretty well.
Why you should set boundaries with the universe, expert opinions
versus personal truth, healing, relationship trauma, the lies that parents

(02:08:56):
tell and when talking to God? Am I just talking
to myself? The title actually has the word then instead
of when, But I think that was just a typo.
I was thinking that if Teal answered this question for herself,
it would be yes, not because there is no God,
but more like because she believes she is God. Moving

(02:09:17):
back to Teal Swann's mental health treatment protocol, she developed
a program called the Completion Process, which is supposed to
help people recover from trauma.

Speaker 2 (02:09:26):
Yes, and again, she's not licensed or educated to help
people recover from trauma, so offering a service to help
people recover from trauma in and of itself may be
illegal for her to do. I don't really know why
she's legally allowed to get away with what she does,

(02:09:48):
offering essentially psychological services to people what she has no
psychological degree, certifications or licensure.

Speaker 19 (02:09:59):
Teal certifies people in this therapy. Therefore they can unleash
the healing power of the Completion Process onto others. Teal
Swan believes that she is superior to mental health professionals.
She's compared herself to Jesus Christ, Martin Luther King Junior,
and Gandhi. She wants to be more influential than the Pope.

(02:10:21):
She talked about how there's no one who she looks
up to because she never met anyone with more awareness
than she possesses. Teal operates her spiritual guru business out
of Utah to earn money. She conducts seminars based on
the completion process, she produces videos, and she sells books,
paintings and other items. Now moving to the summary of

(02:10:43):
the documentary.

Speaker 2 (02:10:45):
Yeah, you know, listen, if she doesn't like, really feel
like she wants to help people, why not do the
services for free? Right? It's always for a profit, right? Uh?
Willie Todd says, I've eaten mushrooms and had now the
body experience. I was outside my body in my front
yard looking at myself in the house through the window.

(02:11:07):
Well that's that cause me to have a bad trip there.
That does not sound like a fun experience, right, But
what do I know?

Speaker 19 (02:11:14):
The documentary starts with Teal living in her compound in
Utah with various members of her inner circle. Deal talks
about the head of operations for that company, a man
named Blake. They were together romantically for about a year.
They broke up and remained living together sixteen at the
beginning of the documentary.

Speaker 2 (02:11:33):
And they're just still living with you are most welcome.

Speaker 19 (02:11:35):
Tal said that she had twelve or thirteen Blake, I
don't know marriage. A few different storylines or themes at
episode documentary, I have divided them into five parts. Will one,
Heal is shown offering what looks to be mental health
therapy at various stage events like in front of a

(02:11:56):
large audience. She works with a few members, and what
appears to be group therapy, and she works individually with
various people. Number two. Teal is shown talking directly to
the camera. She offers her thoughts on her background, her
philosophical and spiritual beliefs, and about criticisms received. Number three.

(02:12:16):
Various members of written her circle are introduced using their
first names. It appears as though they work for just
room and board. They talk about their personal beliefs, what
they think of Teal, Swan, and various experiences.

Speaker 16 (02:12:30):
Number four.

Speaker 19 (02:12:31):
Teal hired a private investigator to examine the company and
determine if she is running a cult. The investigator is
seen talking to various people who have interacted. Some of
these people are on good terms with her and others
are not and number five, Blake finds a love interest
who lives in Germany named Juliana. She moved to Utah

(02:12:53):
to be with Blake, and the couple gets married. There's
a lot of tension between Juliana and Teal Swan as
the documentary progresses. That last storyline develops into the focus
as Blake and Juliana move away from the compound. I'm
moving to my analysis here, my thoughts on a few
items that stood out to me in this case. Item

(02:13:15):
number one, Telstorm tells people that she can heal past
trauma and address other mental health symptoms, yet she does
not have a license to practice as a mental health clinician.
Heal appears to be hiding behind the idea that she's
practicing spirituality and not counseling. From looking at the various
people who attend her functions, it's clear that some of

(02:13:37):
them could be suffering from serious mental health symptoms. Teal
has been criticized for the way she handles a person's
desire to bring an end to their own life. She
refers to this act as hitting a reset button. She
believes that people are reincarnated, so I guess dying is
no big deal in addition, she asks people to imagine

(02:13:58):
themselves going through the act, which is not an accepted
way or scientifically supported way to address those concerns. On
Teal's website, she has a number of certified practitioners. Again,
these are people who are certified to perform the completion process.
There are many specialties these practitioners claim to be able
to treat, including depression, anxiety, panic attacks, burnout, addiction, BTSD, dissociation, anger,

(02:14:26):
eating disorders, cult survivor, insomnia, and fatigue. I would believe
the cult survivor's specialty is something that the people would
be qualified to talk about. I'm not sure about the
other items. It worries me that Teal Swan would offer
any type of training which would falsely lead people to
believe they are qualified to treat serious mental health symptoms.

(02:14:47):
At a number two. Here, I will offer a few
examples from the documentary that demonstrate how Teal was out
of her depth when trying to perform counseling and how
she lacks clinical insight. During a one one interaction with
a customer or a follower, a man talks about how
he may be sexually attracted to Teal. She has a
strong reaction to this, and was clearly upset when discussing

(02:15:10):
the situation with her inner circle moment, she didn't really
seem to know what to do. If Teal had actual
training in mental health counseling, she would know that a
client being attracted to a therapist is not only common,
but expected under certain circumstances.

Speaker 2 (02:15:27):
I never knew that.

Speaker 19 (02:15:28):
During another situation, Teal is frustrated because they called.

Speaker 2 (02:15:32):
Right, So, if you have a therapist or a counselor,
it's normal that you want to bang them. I guess
maybe because they sort of offer you comfort of some kind. Right,
Maybe that is normal. You know, if you have somebody

(02:15:53):
and they're helping you through a problem, you start to
develop some sort of emotional response to them. Be up
to an including being attracted to them.

Speaker 19 (02:16:03):
Apres to be threatening to harm herself. Teal's primary concern
appears to be liability, like she will be in trouble
if something happens to the follower. If Teal were an
actual clinician, she would have plans in place to deal
with those circumstances. Deal is frustrated by fairly common situations
that occur when working with people who have mental health symptoms.

(02:16:25):
During stage events, Teal can be seen addressing the concerns
of her followers by offering simple and obvious questions and
failing to demonstrate any insight. For example, she asked one
follower what it would take to make her happy. A
person responded by saying nothing. Teal then said why are
you still on the planet after this, and the audience

(02:16:48):
clapped as if they had just heard something useful. This
is a very common tactic with They deliver statements constantly
with the actual contact of what they state is nonsense, useless,
or meaningless. It only sounds profound without knowing what the
words mean.

Speaker 8 (02:17:07):
A number three.

Speaker 19 (02:17:09):
Heal conceptualizes mental health symptoms as originating from traumatic experiences.
One of teals he phrases is something like, don't ask
people what's wrong with them, ask what happened to them.
Sometimes trauma does cause symptoms, and often people have symptoms
with no obvious cause. The idea that everything is caused

(02:17:29):
by trauma is dangerous and not supported by evidence. It's
important to be able to treat someone for symptoms without
knowing what caused the symptoms. If mental health clinicians needed
to know the cause before offering effective treatment, very few
people would get treated it of number four. Based on
Teals trauma causes everything conceptualization. Her treatment method is based

(02:17:50):
on reliving the trauma in the safe environment of one
of her retreats. She believes that trauma can be undone
through what she calls the soul retreat will process. Teals
reliving the trauma component may function a little bit like
exposure therapy, which is a real treatment modality, but it
can only be delivered by a qualified clinician. Once again,

(02:18:12):
we see Teal wandering into an area she does not understand.
Some of her followers may feel better due to exposure, catharsis,
or a placebo effect. Without follow up care, symptoms will
likely return Adam number five. As I mentioned, one of
the major themes of the documentary is the dramatic tension

(02:18:33):
and feelings of acrimony between Blake, Juliana, and Teal. Based
on Blake getting married to Juliana and the couple living
and working with Teal Swan, it appears as though Teal
was very far on Juliana from the beginning, like she
didn't really have confidence that this was going to work out.

Speaker 8 (02:18:53):
It appears as.

Speaker 19 (02:18:53):
Though Teal was jealous of Juliana from the beginning, like
Tell laid down the wall by saying that her only
safety was the community and she wasn't going to be
happy about any truth that opposes her truth. I find
it interesting that she believes there are multiple versions of
the truth. Toward the end of the documentary, Teal confronts

(02:19:14):
Juliana and turns the Inner Circle against her. Teal has
all the Inner Circle members say what they think Juliana
believes about Teal, which seems like an unnecessary and ridiculous exercise.
Blake and Juliana move out. After this, Teal indicates that
Blake's leaving has broken her heart. She tells him never

(02:19:34):
to forget he is a loser. She was even mad
at the people who wished him well online. After Blake
and Juliana leave, Teal has a meeting with the remaining
members of her Inner Circle. She talks about how it's
important to keep her safe. She wants to put a
new policy in place, which basically says she can reject
any member if she doesn't like their partner. In addition,

(02:19:58):
all the Inner Circle members have to agree never to
have children. Item number six. Another theme in the documentary,
is the exploration into whether Teal is running.

Speaker 2 (02:20:08):
A cult or not.

Speaker 19 (02:20:10):
Heal is sensitive to the idea. She believes being portrayed
in this way her financially. Here are my thoughts on
this cult idea.

Speaker 8 (02:20:20):
Teal engages in.

Speaker 19 (02:20:21):
Some behavior which is consistent with being a cult leader,
an other behavior which is not. I will look at
each side of this, starting with the evidence that supports
the idea that she is a cult leader. Teal had
a list of what she called non negotiables. This is
a list of rules that the Inner Circle must agree to.
Like Teal, must come first. Members should be careful not

(02:20:42):
to introduce harmful people to Teal, and they have to
accept their lives will not be normal. Teal has elevated
herself to a position of importance. She calls herself a
spiritual catalyst. She clearly believes that she is extremely important
to the world. One could argue she believes that she
is a deity. Teal does not seem to be happy

(02:21:04):
when people leave her inner circle. One former Inner Circle
member claimed that when he left, Teal told him there
was no hope and he should end his life. The
same member said he was willing to kill someone and
bury them in a backyard for Teal. Peal claims to
be able to channel dead people, like she can have
a dead person inhabit or body and speak to people.

(02:21:26):
There's one scene where Teal has Juliana channel the dead
mother of a follower. In reality, nobody was channeling anything
except money from the pockets or the showers. Teal is
teaching her Inner Circle members to be deceptive to pretend
to have magical powers. One scene showed Teal complaining about
her customers. She wanted to force people to follow her plan.

(02:21:51):
This is not therapeutic at all. He was accused of
cutting Inner Circle members off from their families. She denies
this In the documentary looking at the factors against the
idea that Teal was running. Because Teal clearly invited documentary
filmmakers into her compound, cult leaders would not be inclined
to do this. Teal treats her inner circle members and

(02:22:12):
her followers differently. Her followers attend seminars, but do not
live in the compound. They do not drop everything to
follow Teal. They are not cut off from their family members. Rather,
they follow her online and occasionally might attend.

Speaker 2 (02:22:26):
Islaying the evidence.

Speaker 19 (02:22:29):
Do I think that Teal Swan is running a cult.
I think she is not running a cult as far
as how she treats her followers. Her behavior towards her
inner circle is consistent, and she's running a compact, emotionally
charged and disorganized cult. If Teal's cult was a soft drink,
it would be named cult light. I'm moving to my

(02:22:50):
final thoughts ropy to.

Speaker 2 (02:22:53):
You should email me at True Seeker Show at gmail
dot com. We're still looking for co hosts for the
Internet Insanity Circus show, and I'd like more female involvement,
so you know, and I'm harmless by the way. Uh,
it's a real offer. You can email me at True
Seeker Show at gmail dot com if you have any

(02:23:13):
interest in that documentary. We need co hosts, preferably female
co hosts. You know, eighty five percent audience and all
eighty five percent male audience.

Speaker 19 (02:23:23):
And all Peel Swan is defensive, smug, overly confident, centered, vindictive,
and arrogant.

Speaker 2 (02:23:31):
This does not vindictive, arrogant, overconfident. That does not sound
like a spiritually enlightened person to me, angry right, I
don't know. I've been around a lot of I've actually
been around a good number of Buddhist monks and Catholic priests,
monks and brothers, and there's certain of them that I

(02:23:57):
have observed that they have a quiet, calm, spiritual peace
to them. Does that make any sense to anybody else?
There's certain people that are spiritual that when you meet them,
you can almost sense that sense of spiritual peace coming
off of them. And this woman is the total antithesis

(02:24:19):
or opposite of that to me. She's angry, she's vindictive,
she's vengeful. These are not things that a spiritually enlightened
person does. Right. What does the cult do all day?
How do they make money? We're going to show their
website in a moment and you'll see they basically work
for her, running her internet empire, and they sell everything

(02:24:43):
from tarot cards to books, to paintings to fifteen I
think it's a fifteen fifteen hundred dollars.

Speaker 19 (02:24:51):
Course said that her followers believe that they have nothing
else to lose, teels haphazard approach to helping them, suggest
that she is trying to prove them wrong. They definitely
have something else to lose. Different it comes to, namely
their time, money, common sense, and dignity. Another thoughts the documentary.

(02:25:13):
Please put any in the current section. They always somebody
is intriguing as a half human, half alien money channeling
cult leader. Thanks for watching.

Speaker 2 (02:25:28):
Ah, very good, very good, very good analysis. From a
psychological perspective, I just think that a spiritually enlightened teacher
should not be angry, vindictive, or vengeful. It just doesn't
make sense to me that a spiritually enlightened person would
be like that. Sacha end says psychopath, Yes, quite possibly.

(02:25:52):
Andrea Scout says, I also met spiritual people like priests,
Buddhist monks, those who grew beers, and even a couple
of Jewish rabbis that have tranquility. That's the word I
was looking for. Yes, some of the and let's be clear,
like I grew up Catholic, and I was educated by
the Jesuits and the nuns and brothers and monks and

(02:26:15):
visited monasteries. I spent some time at Saint Charles Monastery.
They wanted me to become a priest. And not all
the priests, but certain of the priests, especially in my experience,
the people who focused on teaching theology and scripture study,
they seem to have a certain spiritual peace about them.

(02:26:37):
A tranquility. They did not appear angry or vengeful or vindictive.
So you know, this is so funny that she's so
angry and vindictive and vengeful, Like, didn't she just forgive them?
If she's so spiritually enlightened, right, most spiritual people would say, yeah,

(02:26:58):
you just forgive right. I met a monk in Chang Mia.
We agreed that the secret to life, to a good life,
is laughter. Well that tends to make sense. Well, my friends,
I think we have done our due diligence, both for
both for today and for the week. Heading out to

(02:27:21):
the cabin tomorrow. So I will be back live Monday
at seven pm Eastern, but I may do a kick
only stream from the cabin if I don't wear myself
out too much carrying boulders and rocks and heavy logs
around all day. We'll see how that goes, right, You

(02:27:44):
never know. So I want to thank all of you
kind and generous benefactors. And though the goal streak ended
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let me know, in the comments and in the live chat.
Do you want to see more episodes like this on

(02:28:04):
New Age Spiritual Gurus. I think we will do a
bunch more episodes like this, both on TiO Swan and
on other people. Somebody mentioned jay z Knight, who's a
channeler and a cult leader new Age cult leader. We
and a q tart I have her on my list

(02:28:26):
and a bunch of others. If you have suggestions for
this series, please email me at True Secret Show at
gmail dot com. Please include some links. If you're going
to tell me about a New Age Spiritual Guru, especially
a scammy grifter type, please be sure to let me know.
But before we go, I just wanted to show you.
Somebody asked how does this cult make money? Well, here's

(02:28:49):
one way. This is from their website, and we see
here one course from her. Oh you get five hundred
dollars off right, you get twelve hours of new video lessons,
access to Teal's most advanced arsenal, video demos of Teal
in depth, seventy page workshop, and a private community all

(02:29:12):
for the low low price of fourteen hundred and ninety
seven dollars. Friends, So her business is New Age bullshit
and business is good, right, Yes, And Sasha says she
has a couple, but she probably made her followers paint. Yeah,
maybe they're just sitting around painting these thousand dollars paintings

(02:29:35):
all day. They look like a child made them. They're
basically like New Age scribbles with paint, you know. And
I used to know somebody that made the worst paintings
I'd ever seen, and they were selling their paintings for
thousands of dollars, and people bought them. I just don't
I don't understand that world. Five hundred dollars off, I'd
be a sucker not to buy that course. Yeah, David

(02:29:57):
Wilcock is a fucking lightweight to this woman. His courses
are only three hundred and thirty three dollars. This woman,
I checked into her courses that I showed you the
least expensive one, fifteen hundred. I think five thousand is
the most expensive one. It could be mistaken for fourteen
hundred dollars, I better be getting her only fans, No,
you better be getting a month of anything you want

(02:30:20):
in her bedroom for that kind of money. Like Jesus Christ,
she's doing much better than David Wilcox. She's much more
financially successful. I believe that she bought the Costa Rican
compound than the Utah compound cash money friends, and they
are a big basically, I think they're basically big mansions. Right,

(02:30:43):
So yeah, that's the least expensive one, exactly. Yeah, that
is the least expensive one. So what are you gonna do? Well?
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that makes me sad because I had a very tough
time in my life at one point, and I found

(02:31:47):
his personal power book, like somebody just lent it to
me or gave it to me. I didn't buy it,
and it really really did help me. So along with
all the harm these people do, some of the things
that they teach may actually be helpful. And that's what
makes it hard to sort of figure out who's a
white hat and who's a black hat in this whole

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