The truth about Chinese UFO's and the Theoouba Prophesy with Samuel Chong

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
The bank.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Greetings and salutations, friends, and welcome. Tonight is one of
those rare opportunities that we get. I always say that
this microphone and webcam gives me a chance to talk
to some really incredible and interesting people, and tonight will
be one of those kind of shows. Tonight's guest is
very interesting and has an interesting story to share. His

(02:27):
name is Samuel Chong and he's a motivational keynote speaker.
He talks about things like wellness, resilience, mindset, leadership, health
and wellbeing, spirituality, near death experiences, as well as some
stranger topics like extraterrestrials, ancient mysteries, and esoteric knowledge. He's

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actually a lawyer in California and also a certified court
interpreter of the Chinese language. And Samuel Chang visited this
person Michael Demarque, who is the author of the thea
Uba Prophecy, which tells an incredible story of a man
who is visited by extraterrestrial apparently visited by extraterrestrials from

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another star system, taken on an incredible journey. Mister Chong
was instrumental in arranging for the Chinese publication of this book,
which has been a bestseller in both China and Taiwan,
which is kind of rare. He's also translated a few
other books. And I always find it very interesting when

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some very incredibly well educated people have a belief in
extraterrestrial visitation on Earth. I felt that way about Friedman.
He was a nuclear physicist and incredibly well educated man.
And Samuel Chang strikes me like that tonight's guests. He
graduated from UC Berkeley with the Bachelor of Arts and Economics,

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and he has several other degrees in financial analysis. From
Northwestern California University's School of Law, he got a law degree.
He currently lives in Los Angeles, California, and some of
you may have seen him on these many different podcasts
like that UFO podcasts and sort of what I would

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call the True Believer podcast. But tonight, a lot of
people think he's kind of stepping into the lions den
here with all of you very skeptical people in me.
But I have tremendous respect for him because he's willing
to answer any questions we have, maybe we'll have time
for audience questions, and he's willing to share his knowledge

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both about I thought we could begin. You know, I'm
very always interested in how other cultures view different subjects
like religion and spirituality, and I once had an opportunity.
I worked for a Chinese family for many years and
that was a really good experience for me because I've

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got to learn a lot about Chinese culture and Chinese food,
which I love. And I was blown away by the
work ethic of this family. They would work for fourteen
hours a day, seven days a week most days. Both
you know, the husband and the wife and their children

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all worked at this business. It was a computer business,
and just kind of informed me why Chinese do so
well Because US Americans we're lazy, we don't even want
to put in an eight hour day. These people would
really put in fourteen sixteen hour days whatever needed to
be done. If we had orders to fulfill. The owner

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of the company would stay up all night building the
systems and doing, you know, whatever he had to do.
So it gave me a tremendous respect for the Chinese
and the Chinese culture. Let's bring him in here one moment.
Here there we go. Welcome, Samuel Chong, good.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
To see you.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
I think we're going to have an interesting conversation. And
I don't know if you were warned off, because a
lot of the true believer people, they think they're scared,
you know, they think I'm going to be nasty or mean.
And I guess maybe I have been in the past
to some people, but those were people that I perceived
to be like scammers or grifters or con artists. I
don't really get that from you. I think you have

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a genuine belief in this. So we'll start off first
with a question that I asked many many people who
are interested in aliens and UFOs, and that is what
exactly started you on that rabbit hole, like what got
you so interested in the topic of UFOs and aliens
and extraterrestrials.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
So I was born in China, thank in the eighties,
China was fairly open to this phenomenon, in which there
were magazines on this topic. There was a magazine called
UFO Magazine, which I was on like a very loyal reader.
And there are a lot of stories, one of which

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was that the physicist was taken by the Ets to
their spacecraft and then he was told that even though
Einstein laid the three fundamental principles of modern physics. He
made a small mistake so that we believe that we
cannot go at faster, go faster than the speed of light.

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So that actually struck me very very hard, because I
was thinking, if the ETS could come and visit us,
we can just learn from them. That's kind of my
naive belief, believing that we can just learn from the ETS,
and then just to get the knowledge from them so
we can be like them and to really progress at

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the much faster pace. I was trying to get a
shortcut learning from the masters, learning from the ETS, who
like may have a far more advancaive us. So that
got me started in researching and reading the books written
by ET contacts. But I was actually fairly disappointed afterwards,

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to be honest.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Okay, so did you did you get a sense, like
especially the fifties contact, these from the United States, did
you get a sense that some of them were let's
just say, less than credible and therefore selling books and
you know, like a damn ski and some of these
early people.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
I got a feeling yes, because because you know, if
the ETS could come and visit us, they must be
able to explain everything that we didn't know. For example,
who built a great pyramid of Egypt. Why there's so
many people vanished in the premier triangle? What about the
stories in the Bible? But those books contain good but

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vague information, and I couldn't really get a lot of
information all of those books. I always And also there
is some like contactees who claimed that they received channeled information.
I was really into that too, but I was extremely
disappointed because the information really didn't contain facts that I

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could verify.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
So yeah, that's a big that's a big problem. And
you know, there and there are some contact these or
people who would you would call contact these that are
clearly con artists, you know, like that have been caught
hoaxing things. Billy Meyer comes to mind. You know, I
had quite an an encounter with Billy Meyer, and he's

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got quite a cult of the true believers. They don't
care that he made those you know, made UFO models
out of trash cans. It's very clear that he made
bottles and these were fake pictures. So you know, I
know that you believe a lot of the a lot
of the stuff in this one particular book, but when

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you encounter the like the fakery in the fraud that
that sort of inform you that maybe some of this
stuff where a lot of this stuff is just fakers
and fraudsters.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
I believe there are a lot of fake information around there.
For example, Billy Meyer, if you're really read into that,
they're going to see that. He claimed that the Ets
told him that the Great Pyramid of Egypt was built
by two hundred thoudn slaves. So you've seen a forty
year period of time. I mean, if you really think

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about it, I mean, the forty years to build a pyramid,
you've seen two hundred thoud slaves. I mean, it just
doesn't seem incredible and possible and plausible.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
I mean, but aliens building them seems more plausible, though
I don't know. No, you know what, mister Chong. What
I don't like is that sometimes when there's a mystery,
a human mystery, people jump straight to aliens, you know
what I mean. They go like, well, humans, we were stupid,
we had copper tools, we couldn't have done that. They

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have to have help from aliens. And I go, well,
you're taking credit away. These people were like even just
look at the mathematics that they had to do to
be able to build that thing. It's pretty incredible. Ancient
man was a lot more advanced than some people give
me credit for. And even though we don't know exactly
how they did it, you know, I don't like to

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jump to the alien hypothesis right now.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
The Aliens didn't build a great pyramid. We actually had
ancient civilizations that sooner or later people are going to
find more evidence on that. And I think we have
to be very grounded and to be very very specific
in finding evidence of certain things, and not just to
believe anything that et contacts say about anything. And I

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do say that I was quite disappointed in reading a
lot of the books that I read in the past.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I've read so many books, mister Choong that some of
them I like. When I get to the end of
my go well, that was a total waste of time,
you know, because to me, a lot of it is
just like mythology. It's sort of like a science fiction story,
but somebody's claiming it's real, Like the like Corey Good

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for example, he went on all these secret space missions.
And I don't know if you're aware, but I'm the
guy that got those court depositions in which he admitted
that he'd never been to space. So a lot of
these things to me turned out to be a waste
of time, and I've cut down the I used to
read every book I could get on aliens or UFOs,
but lately I just go I don't want to. It's

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the waste of time.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
A lot, I agree, and I do check certain facts
out and decide whether to see it or not. And
I suggest people do the same as well. Just usee
your own intuition and do your own research and believing
certain things or not. And to me, I think the
government is just a machine and having its own narratives,

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and we should seek the knowledge of our own and
not to rely on any government sponsored media or the
media as well.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Speaking of that, I wanted to ask you what is
the Chinese government's position on UFOs, both historically and now
with the Communists and Chinese Communist government. Do they have
programs like the United States to study unknown sightings? Are

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they concerned with Chinese airspace and incursions in the Chinese airspace?
Is there rumors of crashes and back engineering programs in
China like there is in the United States.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Well, it really depends on which time frame or time
period of time they're referring to the Chinese TV programs
really got started in the eighth in the late eighties,
and that's when the media was quite open, and there
were a lot of reports of UFO sightings and also
alleged et abductions of Chinese citizens in which the government

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sponsored media reported on. But then after the Vallun Gul incident,
the Chinese media became more stringent in reporting UFOs or.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, I was gonna I was going to ask you
about following Gong because I have some personal experience with
following Gong. There was a YouTube channel called Edge of
Wonder and they went from a brand new YouTube channel
to like hundreds of thousands of subscribers in just a

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few months. And you know, I said, something's not right here.
So I began to look into the two gentlemen that
ran that channel, and it turned out that they were
former employees of Phellon Gong. And then it turned out
that Fallon Gong was like funding them their YouTube channel,
which promoted aliens. Can you tell us a little bit

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about Fallon Gong and what you know about it?

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Falongong started out as a practice for people to improve
their health. You've seeing kind of right Haichi and the
energy the chicken work, and then they began to really
have a mass followings in China, and then there was
one incident in which they gathered their practitioners in front

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of the Tim And Square and the government was afraid
of a movement similar to the tim and Square incident
in which they actually outlawed Fallongong to be a cult.
And actually there are a lot of similar between. I mean,
I don't to say put the words into people that

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is a good practice, but the way that they behave
themselves are sometimes questionable as reported by by Western media.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, well that YouTube channel I was telling you about
they were sent and this was somebody that was very
close to them was telling me that Phalloon Gong sent
them slaves. Like they had people to run lights, they
had people to run the cameras, they had people to
you know, promote the show. They had like ten or

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fifteen Chinese nationals that were living here in the United
States that were basically slaves. They weren't getting paid for
years they were doing this, which is kind of very
cult like do you think it's and for those who awhere,
Phaloon Gong is basically like a cult that believes in
aliens and UFOs and and they but they do have

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this sort of spiritual practice side that's like meditation, and
that's how people get into it. But then it's a
little wacky, like doesn't the leader he says that black
people and white people go to two different heavens, they
don't go to the same heavens, And there's a lot
of wacky beliefs, and that it's a cult. It's a weird,

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weird cult. But they have millions of dollars, and they
also have these front groups that do things that people enjoy,
like the dance they do, these dance shows that is
just filled with beautiful Chinese culture and costumes, and you
know so, I mean, from the outsider of looking in,

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it doesn't look so nefarious, but I think it might
be right.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
It is a beautiful dance, and people do practice fallangun,
and people do have effects beneficial health. The effects that
our beneficial turned out to be helpful to them in
the future. But the key is that people don't realize
that we are all creations of the creator. They don't

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have to follow specific religious leader or like the leader
of the organization to communicate with a source. I mean
the creator, and we can we can meditate if we
can practice our own practice the way that Valugum people
practice and to really get what we need, and we

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don't have to follow the teachings of the religious leader
or the cut leader or any cut leader. We can
just believe in ourselves because we can connect to the
source directly. So I think this is something that people
need to understand. I think Vaalomum people are generally very
nice people, and I really like the way that they

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they really promote this kind of chicken practice that people
should have their own freedom. They're free will to decide
their future.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, and also for those on aware, Phallong Gong was
the organization that was running the Epoch Times, which is
basically like anti CCP. They really don't like the Chinese government,
so they're very anti Chinese government. And I don't know,
I know that they sort of got booted off of YouTube.

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This other channel that was associated with Felung Gong and
the Epoch Times had a channel that was booted and
essentially for spreading Chinese propaganda, which doesn't make sense because
they're anti CCP. So I don't really know what went
on with that, but it's an interesting, weird group that
believes in aliens and UFOs and things like that.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
You know, yes, that really doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
So back to the Chinese government, do you believe that
they're was rumors of crashes or abductions and things like
that that was reported in China.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yes, there are several incidents that are reported by the
Chinese government, government media, and also a lot of journalists
visited the site and actually verified through different psychological analysis
or light detectors test and to really validate the stories

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of the witnesses, and it turned out that those stories
are supposedly to be true. However, what I learned is
that we really cannot get out of anything from us
stories because they really don't This.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Is the problem. This is the problem I have with experiencers.
They have their experience, they have a story. You know.
A great example is Whitley Striber that book Communion. I
don't know if you know that book. I'm sure you do.
That had a huge tremendous cultural impact in the United States.
But at the end of the day, it's just a story.

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He has no evidence, no proof, no, you know, nothing
to back up the story. So that is tantalizing but
frustrating to me.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
And also some of the books make people have fears
of itch contexts, and I think it actually causes negative
psychological effects on certain people. And I think there are
several books are like that in which people are fearful
to be abducted. And I think there are certain abduction

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experiences that may be caused by man made technologies, either
through holographic simulation or through some kind of military reverse
engineer spacecrafts. I don't know, but I think the really
ties may now interfere us in any negative way as

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those folks do well.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I don't know. Get an anally probe sounds a little
negative to me. Samuel Chong, you know some of these
stories described, including Whitley Striber, he describes getting like anally probed.
We'll take a moment to recognize Chill Station seven with
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We'll try to fit them in, but thank you for

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your kindness, generosity and support. Chill Station seven big show supporter.
And we've got one from Farty McFly Fallon Gong used
to give me bowls of rice. When I was homeless,
I didn't have a clue. They were what I could do. Well,
that's interesting, you know, I when I was very poor
and very struggling artists in my younger years, I would

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go and have vegetarian meals with basically a cult. But
they were very nice and they would feed me and
they didn't try to really well, they did try to
recruit me into the cult. But you know, thank you
Farty McFly for your kindness, generosity and support. So lead
us into the Toby this prophecy book that has you

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so fascinated, because I'm interested to see. I mean, I've
read the book five years ago. I'm just leafing through
it again today and yesterday, trying to get reacquainted with it.
But it's very similar, in my opinion, mister Chong to
the Law of one Material and it's very similar also

(23:29):
to the Rancho book in one way. And this is
what makes me so cautious about this book, because this book,
it's only like one hundred and seventy two pages, very
quick read, it's not hard to get through, but it
kind of like seems to seek to answer all your

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questions about life's greatest mysteries, you know, like what happened
to the dinosaurs, Jesus, the ancient Pyramids, the ancient civilization?
Am I wrong in my read of that that it
seems like it it seems like too good to be true?

Speaker 3 (24:06):
That was my take, you know, to be frank. And
when I was reading the book for the first time,
halfway through, I thought it was a science fiction. I
didn't believe in the book at all. On cure, I
read a chapter about Christ because it talks about there's
a tomb of Jesus in Japan. Remember the author he

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was a farmer in Australia who didn't have a lot
of education. He didn't know how to tie up on computer,
and he really never traveled to Japan, and there was
no internet at that time, back in nineteen eighty three,
and the book was published.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, and for those aren't aware, there is there is.
There is a story that Jesus went to Japan. And
in this story, and I have a little bit of
a problem with this, mister Chong, because I was raised
very Catholic. But the story is that Jesus brought there
somehow substituted for Jesus and went on the cross and

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died and Jesus escaped and he went to Asia, ending
up in Japan, and to this day, right there's a
there's a there's his like a site in Japan that
people say is the tomb of Jesus.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, that caught me extremely curious when I first read
a book and I did some search and find out
whether there was a tomb of Pieces in Japan or not.
It turned out yes, there is a tomb that people
can still visit. And actually this book really amazed me
by connecting all the adults, explaining like what happened and
why people say that there's a tomb, why people say

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that the Jesus went to India, and why there's a
tomb of Jesus, and why there's a tomb next to
the tomb of Pieces, which is his brother's having a
lock of his brother's hair. And also explains why in
the Bible, when Jesus saw his mother after he began preaching,
he didn't call his mother mother. He called his mother

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a woman. It also explains why you know when when
you read the Bible, you are not able to find
any evidence of Jesus performing miracles before the age of thirty,
before he began preaching. So so this book explains everything
like this all the question has it? And I made

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me believe some of the stories in the Bible that
really shocked me and lead me into more investigations into
some of the other facts stated in the book, which
really kind of shocked me.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I mean, do you know what, is there actual, any
actual historical evidence to suggest that this is the tomb
of Jesus because and again this is just my knee
jerk reaction being Catholic, and you know, I was educated
by Jesuits, priests and nuns from my whole life and
scripture study and Bible study and theology classes, and I'd

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never heard any I had heard from one person rumors
that Jesus went to India, and that's why some of
the Buddhist teachings are very similar to Christian teachings. But
do you know, is there actual evidence of this or
is this just a story? And where do you know
anything about where the story originated of this Jesus tomb

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in Japan?

Speaker 3 (27:29):
I mean Japanese people, in my mind, they're basically honest people,
not like the Chinese. And I'm Chinese. I know sometimes
Chinese people want to fix the way.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Wait to throw your own race under a bus. Mister Chong,
I don't know. I told you, I said in the intro.
I worked for this Chinese family, and to this day,
I still think that was one of the best job
experiences that I had because I was very young, and he,
the owner of that company, taught me about work ethic
and showing up every day, you know, because I was

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a lazy I'm a lazy American. I call out sick.
You go, how sick are you? Unless you're dying? Get
in here. We have things to do today. You know.
He really taught me a lot.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, if you if
you know Japanese people too, I mean, they're basically also
very honest people, and they there's no benefit for them
to make things up like this, like to to fake
a tomb of Jesus and why what purpose so so
for what?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
So?

Speaker 3 (28:33):
That's kind of something very strange to me. So I
think that deserves special attention and investigation. And it turned
out that it just book connects other tells, saying that
the Jesus the one born out of Virgin Mary from
the embryo implanted better ets.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, this book also says that Jesus was implanted into
his mother Mary by aliens. So it was a case
of artificial and domination according to this book, and that's
what the aliens told this gentleman, right, Yes, seem to
be I don't know what I think about that, but

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you know a lot of people have suggested that. And
CSK with five says, respect to a sincere and seeming
an open guest, Yes, and TROLLI t troll with one
for the goal. Come on, guys, let's make three goals
in a row. Yeah, So, you know, being being raised
so Catholic, I have a hard time with those stories

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of Jesus going to India or stories of Jesus going
to Japan, and because honestly, if Jesus wasn't crucified and
didn't raise himself from the dead, then that sort of
nullifies the whole Christian belief system. So I'm just cards
on the table. I don't. My knee jerk reaction to

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that kind of stuff is like, if you're going to
say that, you have to have some evidence of it.
But then again, the Bible is pretty short on evidence.
It's again, it's it's legends, histories, oral traditions and stories
that were written down, in most cases hundreds of years
after he was no longer on earth. So who knows, right, most.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Of the stories in the Bible are true. After I
read this book to you about prophecy, and I confirmed
that a lot of things really did happen. For example,
Exodus really did happen. The destruction of Southern Gomorrah happened,
and the birth of Puss from Virgin from virgin happened,
And how could some may have been going from virgin

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if not from embryo, so that if not, then that's
against the natural law.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
It is against natural law. But according to Catholics and Christians,
it's not a technological explanation, it's a it's like a
spiritual explanation for what happened. God put him there from
a virgin.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
It is echoed with one for the gold Buddha predated
Jesus by five hundred years. You are correct. Yeah, So
this book that you will, this book the Prophecy book.
Here it sort of gives an alternate history of things,
providing some alien intervention and technological explanation for some of

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the greatest human mysteries, like the Virgin birth of Christ
or you know, right.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, and also explains how Jesus went to India who
really died on the cross? Christ did die on the
cross and resurrected three days after. And actually, you know,
China kept a very detailed astronomical record in the past
because the emperors they see the signs in the sky

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as warnings to them, so they are really particular on
the astronomers in China. And I was able to pinpoint
the specific date of the birth of Jesus and the
crucifixion as well as the reservation of Christ from the
descriptions in the Bible, aligning them the astronomical records of China.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
And actually, and negate the things in this book. That's
that doesn't the book claim he went to Japan and
his brother was crucified on the cross.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
No, not this book, but the folklore of the.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Japanese, the Japanese people. Okay, it just mentions the Japanese too, Yes,
it just means okay, so the book doesn't then, doesn't
doesn't Negate? That's yeah, I'm sorry, my memory of the
book is a little foggy here.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
So it's Actually the book is very interesting because it
actually encourages people to follow the teachings of Christ. Well
at the same time warning people of that religion is
one of the four most dangerous things on Earth.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Well, I totally, I totally understand that. Like Catholic, I'm
no longer really Catholic because I think the Catholics corrupted
some of the teachings and things. Especially in the Catholic Church,
things become about money, and you know that they have.
The Roman Catholic Church has way too much money and

(33:31):
way too much resources. They're the largest real estate owners
on planet Earth. They own more real estate than any
other organization. So that alone means they're, you know, have
a great deal of wealth. But when it comes to
this book, the prophecy book that you're so convinced is real,
and we'll get into the reasons why you're convinced it's real.

(33:52):
First of all, I don't know it's to me. It's
another guy telling a story. And there's a frequently asked
question on his on the website here that gives sort
of an excuse for why there's no evidence. Right, Well,
we can't give the aliens. Giving us technology would be
like giving matches to a baby. Is the basic explanation.

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So there is there any supporting evidence, corroborating witnesses to
his going into spaceship And you know, is there anything
other than his testimony.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Well, his family members can testify saying that he was
comfort ten days. He disappeared for ten days and then
came bike and had a very long sleep afterwards. And
he didn't bring any material evidence here except for the
fact that he was comfort ten days.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
They did they feed them? Did the aliens feed them?

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Well, okay, he ate a lot of food over there.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
And when so that they have bathrooms according to the
website here that I saw, So somebody asked if the
aliens had bathrooms? So explain the basic story. So he,
you know, and I have a rudimentary understanding of it.
So he wakes up in the middle of the night
to bright light and he thinks he's sick or something,
and he meets this entity and just kind of explain

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what happens.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
So that happened in June nineteen eighty seven. He woke
up in the middle of the night and then he
didn't know why, but he wrote a note saying that
he would be gone for ten days or so. There's
no need to worry about him, and then he walks
outside of his house. He was lifted up to the
middle of the air where he saw this beautiful ten

(35:46):
foot tall each like a woman wearing spacesuit, and she
told him that they were going to have a journey together.
So they went through a parallel universe in which station
their spacecraft. He entered into the spacecraft and was disinfected
using yellow light and blue light, and then they started

(36:08):
their journey together to after stopping by on different planets,
and then they reached their destination that seem to be
paradise because everything is so perfect. The people there are
so beautiful and compassionate. They can live forever because according
to them, they can regenerate their body cells.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
And te even create new bodies.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yes, and they communicate through telepathy. They can livet it
just like what the Catholic priests did when they were
in a meditative state praying. And they can heal all
the diseases and we can think of They can materialize objects,
and they ate like different colors of powders that their

(36:57):
food or nutrition. They also gave Michelle the author mana like.
According to them, they also give manas to the Hebrews
to you.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
So there's a tie into the Bible and the Exodus
saying but see this is again it's sort of like
replacing God with Aliens, because according to the Bible, God
gave the Israelites the mana, but according to this book,
it was Aliens that gave the Israelites the mana. Well,
because there's this like replacement of the supernatural or the

(37:35):
divine one, true God or Yahweh, you know, there's sort
of a replacement. And that's why I say this is
like an alternate history of things, because it's kind of
like going, you know, to a very devout Catholic or
Christian or Jew. This book is is a is you know,

(37:55):
like heretic because it's saying God didn't give the israel
Lights that manna or lead them out of Egypt. That
was the Aliens that did that, sort of replacing God
with with an alternate explanation which is aliens, which I
guess ties into the ancient Aliens kind of philosophy or.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yeah, I mean there's a distinction between God the Creator,
which is a pure spirit versus the highly advanced eties
that were described as the angels or Jehovah's or Jehovah's
in the in the scriptures.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Elope.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, yes, so the the ets were also created by
the Creator, So there are different levels of There are
far more advanced ets that are lesser advanced epies, just
like I mean the ones that there were spacecraft crash
on Earth. I mean, we should learn from the masters,

(38:52):
I think, so they're in the Bible. The Creator is
the pure spirit. So the Creator doesn't have a face.
So when it created everywhere of us on Earth, it
i'veally inserted a tiny flortion of itself to each or
well of ur asra bodies. So we are part of
the Creator and the Creator is part of us.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
I've heard that many times that we all have a
spark of the Creator within us. And that sort of
makes sense because, especially if you believe the Bible, which
says that God created man in his own image, maybe
that just means that he gave us each a piece
of his divine ability. You know, it's interesting to think about.

(39:35):
But back to the story of what happened to this gentleman.
So they take him on a journey through space, and
according to the book, that they were traveling outside of
normal time and outside of normal space, which would kind
of be like, you know, warping somewhere or going through

(39:57):
a wormhole or hyperspace. Yeah, that a little bit, because
a lot of people would say, well, faster than light
travel is not possible. So how did they get to
and where exactly was the star system that he was
taken to?

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Do we know, well, let me explain one by one.
The first of all, they used a portal or a
warp in space to travel, actually to hide themselves. So
this is why we see the sky in the night
they're going to see. Some of the UFOs or UAPs
frequently appear from the same location in space. This is

(40:31):
because they use the warp or this kind of portal
to enter and leave Earth, and the ets from this
book used the same kind of orp or natural phenomenon.
This also explains why there are so many people who
vanish in the national parks or near the Middle Triangle area.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Oh miss, yes, I used to really like that series
before he got too wacky and started saying it was
bigfoot grabbing people or aliens grabbing people. You know, I
mean it is. It is a weird mystery, but I'm
an outdoorsman and like, I know how dangerous it is
in the National Parks. There's cliffs, there's rivers, there's creeks,

(41:16):
there's rocks everywhere. You could you could fall and down
a cliff and die and never be seen from again.
So I think there's a natural explanation. But there's something
wacky about why they hide the national statistics. They don't know,
the National Parks don't know. You have to go by
state by state to know how many people go missing
in the parks.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
And if you look at a map that David Pladus had,
so there are clusters in which people frequently can't vanish.
So those clusters of locations are actually the portals or
works that exist naturally in space. So I think this
book actually matches or explains some of the natural phenomenon

(41:59):
that people went there about. Interesting enough, this book issue
gives a story in which I was able to verify
later about a boy who was going to get a
water fare well in the back yard of his house
during a snowy day, and he actually vanished. And his

(42:19):
family members were looking for this boy, and they were
following his footsteps, and the footsteps stopped in the middle
of nowhere because there were snowing, and they could see
the snow and something like that. And so this book
actually explained that he was sacked into this parallel universe.

(42:41):
And then I was able to track down the newspaper
story that was reported in the eighteen hundreds is actually
in the east coast of the US. Is the is
the story the case of Charles Ashmore that people can
search on the internet. And according to the new story,

(43:01):
his family members heard the voice of Charles Ashmore like
like Pandulus swing by in the middle of the air
in space, and the voice became fainter and fainter until
they couldn't hear the voice anymore. So that actually matches
description of a parallel universe in the book.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Okay, and so do we know what sort of how
far they traveled in space? It was to the other
side of the galaxy.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Yeah, they traveled at the speed of a few times
faster than the speed of light. They, according to the author,
told him that they have to travel into deep space.
They and then teleport themselves into another location in deep
space and then travel at the speed faster than led

(43:55):
to their destination. They have to do the teleportation in
this space because for some reason, if they did it elsewhere.
Their spaceship would have been exploded for some reason or
another not understandable by the author. Remember the author didn't
have a lot of education, so he didn't really elaborate.

(44:16):
I don't know. I was able to ask him a
lot of questions, but he didn't give me an answer
because he didn't know.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, so he goes to this paradise like planet, and
then what is he doing there for ten days? Or
was he traveling for some of those days back and forth?
And how long was he supposedly on this planet?

Speaker 3 (44:38):
And he spent about nine days on the planet. They
led him to visit their planet, like the trees and
the lakes, and the planet is very beautiful. He described
it as the golden planet, having very strong and vibrant colors.

(45:00):
He actually had to wear facial masks like sunglasses to
filled out the strong colors and lights on the planet
and the people there.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
But it was an earth like planet otherwise, or one son,
two sons.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
I don't remember whether it has one son or two sons,
But it's actually a planet in which kind of similar
to Earth, but the gravity on the planet is less
than that of Earth. And they told him all the
stories about where it came about the different races of

(45:40):
people and the Hebrews as well.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
And now in the book it says, I'm sorry, I
mean to interrupt you. We have a little bit of
a delay, so I apologize. In the book, it says
that they come to Earth and take somebody from Earth
to their planet once every hundred years or something like that.
What is the what is their purpose? What was their
purpose for taking this? Because here's the thing. Sometimes I

(46:06):
just think of Ockham's razor, Like if you were an
alien species and you wanted to teach Earthlings about your culture,
would you take this uneducated man who has no education
or scientific base, you know, Like, wouldn't it make more
sense for them to come and take like a very
well educated astronomer with them, or like a physicist or somebody,

(46:29):
some man of science, and then send him back.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
It's just yea, a.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Lot of these people that are contact these they make
themselves seem out to be like some kind of a
hero of the story, and it doesn't make sense. It's like,
why would people pick why would aliens pick Billy Meyer
or why would they pick Corey Good to be the
Earth's galactic ambassador? You know? It seems like far fetched.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Yeah, Michelle actually was picked for three reasons. One was
that he was a man of action. He took immediate
action for whatever he did. And the second reason that
he didn't have any preconceived notions or belief systems.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
He was just a.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Farmer landscaper in Australia who didn't have a lot of education.
Because he was just like a blank piece of paper
to write on, they believed that he would be able
to report truthfully what he saw, heard and witness and
experienced if he took if they took like a journalist
or maybe like a politician or physicist, they're afraid that

(47:36):
they're going to the messages are going to be distorted.
And there's another reason, which is the most important reason
for them to choose Michelle de Marquay, was that Michelle
had eighty past lift already. According to them, only people
like him could survive for now days on the planet.

(47:56):
Otherwise people like me and I would be only it's
a rend for maybe three or four days, because I
didn't have enough reincarnations in the past, I mean previously. Well,
isn't it isn't it?

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Kind of? Isn't it? Kind of? Also convenient that these
people looked like humans but ten feet tall, which would
have to mean that they had a very similar evolutionary
path that we had physically anyway, you know, not culturally
or spiritually. I suppose there's supposed to be more advanced technologically, spiritually,

(48:32):
more spiritually evolved, but you know, the dials of the universe,
it just doesn't It doesn't sit well with me that
they look like us, except they were ten feet tall
and very beautiful, because if they evolved on a totally
different star system with less gravity, you would think there
would be some major major differences in anatomy between the

(48:56):
alien and human beings. Why so more.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
That's why they're toler according to them. And actually on
the planet, Michelle saw at least one hundred and forty
seven different species of ets displayed for him, and they're
all like, looked very differently. Some of them have like
snake like skins.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Some of the Hotelians, huh kind of you know, David
Wilcox said, the reptilian aliens.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
But bang, I don't believe they're bad.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
They're bad.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I don't believe in him. I don't believe anything.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Will Cox said, Oh, did you know that He's been
playing this game with me for several years now because
I like, I cover him and we make fun of him,
and he he said that I got him swatted by
the police and.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Then I stole money out of his bank account and
all these other things, and that I'm a terrorist because
he doesn't like somebody making fun of him. But we
got the body cam footage and showed that nobody swatted him,
like he just made that up. He's a total liar,
that guy.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I'm glad you told me this because I really didn't
believe what he said about the Reptilians.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Well, according to Heavy, got up banged by not just reptilians,
but by gray aliens also raped them. So I shouldn't
that word.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
I mean to tell the truth. Yeah, I mean, great
aliens exist, but they're not that bad at all.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
They're not that bad. How do you know? Though?

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Michelle Michelle told the public lecture that the Grace did
put implants on one hundred and fifty people or song
Earth better. No need to worry about anything like that.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
So while he's there, what what is he doing there?
They're just telling them about their culture and teaching him
about Earth history. That they're aware of and their interventions.
That's the other thing. It seemed very convenient that this
alien species was so deeply involved in human affairs.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yes, this gets very interesting because according to this book,
they were responsible for the destructions of the student of
the two Cities Southern Gomorrah. They actually led Moses out
of Egypt, parting the sea, helping Hebrews to.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Again replacing God with aliens.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Stuff.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Yes, yes, so they have intervened from time to time
just to help us to be more spiritual in nature.
So they took Michelle to their planet just to ask
him to write a book so that we can learn
from the book in order to be more spiritual and

(51:47):
to learn about the basic principles of life and reincarnation
and the dangers on earth. By the way, the book
can be found free of charge online.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
I found it free. Here's one of the things that
I will say. When somebody is profiting from the story,
I'm more skeptical. But this guy has been given this
book away since he wrote it, right, I mean he
sold it for a while too. But now you can
get it online for free, and there's places you can

(52:18):
do that. So is his sort of mission just to
tell the story that the aliens wanted him to tell.
So that's why the book's free. And he's not. Really
he is not striking me as a grifter because or
as con artist or UFO profiteer because if he was,
and he's also he hasn't written like more books, right,

(52:43):
because usually, like these guys, they write the one book.
Like Whitley Striver is a great example. He wrote the
one book. He made a ton of money off of that,
He got a Hollywood movie deal out of the first book.
He immediately wrote another book and sold another book, and
suddenly he remembered more about the aliens and had more
alien experiences. So it sort of attacks his credibility. It's like, oh,

(53:06):
every time you need money, you write another book. This
guy that you're talking about hasn't done that. He hasn't
really cashed in, So that gives me. That's one of
the reasons I was willing to talk to you about
all this because I go, well, at least he's not
a UFO profits here here, right.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
And I don't get anything out of it either. I
spend time to tell people about the text and the
messages in the book, but I hope people can learn
from it. But he actually did write two other novels
that are kind of people and find an Amazon. But
those novels are not recommended by me to read because

(53:45):
those are just fiction stories, fiction stories. This book is
a litle bit different. People can get it for free,
and I think the reason is that this is a
modi version of the Book of Emails. I would to
encourage people to think about this. Enos was taken by
God or Jehovah's and then there's a book of Enos

(54:09):
forty to eighteen years later, his great grandson Noah was
told to build an arc.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
I'm a big fan of the Book of Enoch, by
the way. I'm a big fan of it because if
you grew up with the Bible and even having access
to very good I had access to very good priests
and brothers and nuns and sisters and monks even and
Franciscan monks, and I had great religious teachers. But the

(54:39):
Bible still leaves a lot to be desired, and there's
still questions, And to me, the apocryphal books like the
Gospel of Thomas or the Book of Enoch that were
left out of the Bible sort of fill in some
of the blanks and you're right. I guess this would
be a similar story to the Book of Enoch, because

(55:00):
some advance being, gods, whatever, took him to another dimension Enoch,
and he got to learn about different mysteries and you know,
the angels and the nepoleam and demons, and I guess
this guy had a similar kind of experience and as

(55:21):
far as some advanced beings came to him and they
took him to another place, another realm, I suppose and
try to educate him, right.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Yes, And the reason for him to read a book
is to warn us the dangers on Earth so that
we can make the right choices in the future, so
that we don't have a castrophic result or And this
is kind of like I don't want to put it

(55:53):
as the end of the world, but I think that
we determine our future so we can make the right
choices so we have we can a better future. People
predict certain things are going to happen, like in a
certain years or something. Don't believe in that, because we
determine our faith and I think the future is changeable

(56:18):
by our collective actions, and maybe certain things are destined
to happen, like earthquakes or certain things, but by and
large we do have free real to make great positive
impacts for the future.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Well, I think that depends a lot on your situation, though,
wouldn't it, because you know, like I don't know. I
was just thinking about living in communist China, like you
have a love with less choice to make a difference, right,
because you don't have the freedoms that we here enjoy
in the United States. Right.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Yeah. Actually, this book to me is very interesting that
it got published in China as science fiction because as
actually tells people in China how to work against a
dictatorship government.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
You know.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
In the book, it explains all the four people united
together and actually changed the talitarian regime to a more
democratic government.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
People are waiting for me to start yelling at you
in the live chat. No, I'm not going to starty
yelling at them. Yeah, we're having a good conversation. I'm
trying to build bridges instead of burn them. So and
it's and and one of my new things is to
is to be more like open to other people's belief systems.
So let's get to this though. So you read this

(57:43):
book and at first you're not convinced, but then you
decide to go meet the author. So tell us about that,
and what was it about this guy Michelle de Marquees.
I hope I'm saying that right. What was it about
Michelle that made you so convinced that he was honest
and he really this really happened to him? And you

(58:07):
know what, what was it that convinced you so? Because
you seem thoroughly convinced that this guy really, this really
happened to him and that the information in the book
is good information? What got you so convinced after meeting him?

Speaker 3 (58:21):
First of all, he didn't really profit from the book.
And second ball he had a divorce after he came
back supposedly from the planet Theoba. He was having a
hard time adjusting to the life on Earth. He didn't
want to come back at all because it's just like
a paradise that he had experienced on the planet. He

(58:44):
had a divorce and he had to move to a
southern island in Vietnam called Fuco Island, and that's where
I met him. He was a very kind of cynical person. Actually,
he wasn't really friendly to me in the very beginning
when he found out that I was there for this book.
He was really kind of annoyed at me, and I

(59:09):
think the reason for me looking for him was not
just to talk to him. It was for me to
find out what else he knew but couldn't write in
the book, because if you read the PostScript, it says
they're far more incredible things that he learned and knew,
but he was not allowed to write in the book
because we were far from understanding that. I wanted to

(59:31):
find out more. That's the reason I wanted to talk
to him in person. So so he after a few
days of ignoring me and just the kind of dumpling
the importance of the book, he showed me a contract
that he signed with the publisher in China, and he

(59:56):
wanted me, wanted me to fall up with a publisher
because even though they paid him two thousand dollars copyright fee,
he never heard back from them again. It turned out
that they decided not to get a book published in
China because of the fear of censorship, and then my opportunity.

(01:00:20):
Opportunity came and he asked me to find a different publisher,
so I did and got it published in China as
a science fiction in Taiwan as a nonfiction.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
In Taiwan, it's nonfiction. That's interesting. Yeah, but in China
they published the science fiction. Yes, and you had this
and it was a real experience. Wouldn't that be like
kind of a cave in to go Okay, well, just
say it's fiction to get him published. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
You know, when I was trying to get the book
published in China as a non fiction, they couldn't find
a category to get it published or to put it under.
There's no category like spirituality or religion or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Oh yeah, because the Chinese Communist Party doesn't is not
very pro religion, right right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
So the only way to get it published was as
a nonfiction, as a fiction, as a science fiction.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Okay, yeah, well I guess that makes sense. So you
get them a new publisher or you involved in and
you're involved in the translation of the book because you're
actually a very good at translation.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Yeah, I do get a different publisher through personal connections.
And I didn't do the translation on my own. I
had a translator who is better than me to do
the work because she has the better Chinese language skills
than I do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Well. Then, plus, though, is that a real challenge because
there's Cantonese, and there's Mandarin and other dialects right in
China that are so you can't just translate it from
English to Chinese. There's also the problem of the different
Chinese dialects, because Cantonese and Mandarin are pretty different, right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
I mean, I mean those are the colloquial languages that
are very different. Candonese speakers do not understand Mandarin speakers
if they don't know Mandory. But in writing in the
written language, we all read the same way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
But what is the most common what is the most
common dialects spoken in China?

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Mandary in the Mandar yes, okay, okay, But it's translated
into simplified Chinese in China. But the difficulty lies in
the language because this book contains a lot of words
that really don't exist in the Chinese language. I really
don't exist in the English language either, So you've got

(01:02:51):
to come.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Up with three or four words to replace one or Yeah,
I would think that would be a pretty difficult translation job.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Then yes, if you see the descriptions of the colors,
you're going to see that there are different colors in
which there are no descriptions in the English language or
the Chinese language at all, so we have to make
out words.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Okay, So, but I was trying to focus on what
was it that made you so certain that the Sky's
story was real?

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
The details, For example, when he describes that he entered
in the spacecraft, they used yellow lad and blue light
to disinfect him. And if you do research, you're going
to find that Harvard Medical School has a research paper
about the anti bacteria antipary effects of certain weavesines of

(01:03:45):
blue lights. And also there are also a research paper
on the anti bacteria effect of yellow light. So they
used yellow light and blue lead to disinfect him, indicating
that the etes knew out this kind of technology using colors.
And Michelle de Murchay as a farmer a landscaper, he

(01:04:08):
couldn't have known about the effects a bill than bullleight.
And also other details include like plate tectonics, the drifting
or shifting of continent continents over time. So if you
read this book, you're going to see that it describes
in the past where like Australia was connected to New

(01:04:30):
Zealand and Antarctica had a mild climate because it was
closer to the southern uh like area near near Australia
or New Zealand than where it is now, that is
in South Pole. So so it actually incorporates a lot
of UH theories or or hypothesis of science into this book.

(01:04:55):
And also it makes very logical, a lot of logical
sense when he talks about where the Asterids struck Earth
in the ancient past around the part actually landed in
was now today's Galabagas islence, So if you know about
Glabagas Islands of Ecuador, you're going to realize a lot

(01:05:17):
of scientists have hypothesis that the astrid hit where the
islands are nowadays that caused UH the layouts of the
islands of Galabagas. And also there are other details such
as the why this case a little sensitive. I hope

(01:05:41):
you can allow me to lather elaborate a little bit more.
Why in the Old Testaments in the Bible, the Hebrews
lived longer lives in the past, like nine hundred years
old or or.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
There are several counts, Yeah, there are several accounts of
people living hundreds.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Of years, yes, And also why the Jewish people are
so good at the things that they do, like if
you do the culpilation.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Problem that's kind of racist though, right, like what like
banking and finance and law and listen, it's stereotypical. But
here's what I will say if I have, if I have,
if I have financial or legal problems, I would prefer
a Jewish person to help me, you know what I mean.

(01:06:29):
That's just kind of the way it is. Dave, with
the kind of Genner's two pounds says, can you ask
him what the book got wrong? And also I want
to take a moment to thank till Station seven who
gifted a sub over on kick dot com. Thank you
both guys for the support, big support tonight. Thank you.
So did the book get some things wrong that you noticed?

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
I will say information that's against commission of scientific beliefs.
For example, the book talks about the Moon moving closer
to Earth each day, not farther away as what modern
scientists believe, and I think that's against the commissional scientific wisdom.

(01:07:12):
This has to be proven by I mean by by time.
Is something that's very uncomfortable for a lot of people
to talk about. If there's a possibility that the moon
is moving closer to us or father away from us.
And that's one thing about the book. Also, the book

(01:07:32):
talks about the certain facts about the different races of people,
like the Hebrews of the Jewish people, that that some
people may may may not believe it. I was going
to continue my elaboration.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Is that go ahead. I'm sorry to get you off
track there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Yeah, So Jewish people only account for less than zero
point three percent of the population, and yet they all
come for twenty four percent of all the Nobel Prize
winners Nobel lawries.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
You're right, Yeah, they're very good at science and mathematics.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Yeah, there's the reason for that, as explained by this
in this book. Why there's the why there are the
choosen people, and there's a reason for that. And so
so why they're so kind of difficult in their journeys

(01:08:32):
living on earth. They're always being persecuted by people who
are jealous of them, but yet they're the choosing people
by at least according to the Bible.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Yeah, I never understood. I never understood why God would
favor one, you know, like, why not the Africans, Why
not the Asians, why not the Europeans? Why did God
choose these people, the Israelites as the so called you know,
His people? Yes, and this book. What so this book

(01:09:04):
explains that which is again makes me nervous, Like okay,
So now we get a mystery that I'm sure many
people have wondered about, and we get an answer for
that mystery. And what is what is it? Why would
God choose them over everyone else?

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Well, it's going to take maybe two minutes to explain.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
First of all, we are living on a very low
level or a category of planet in the universe. So
there are different categories of planets in the universe, a
category one, category two, and up to category nine, where
the Fubans the ets come from in this book come from.
And so we all came from different planets originally, we

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all came from like the Blacks and Yellow Caucasians came
from category one planet originally, so we we have to
migrate to a different planet like Earth, a category of
one planet to continue to survive on Earth. But the
Hebrews came here accidentally from a different category of planet,

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this of a higher category.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
But when there be genetic markers that would be different
between Israel, Israeli people and everybody else, then that would
be scientifically provable.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
If you do research, you're going to find out that
Jewish people have unique genetic makeups and diseases that they have.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Oh, that's interesting, I didn't know that. Yeah, okay, well
I guess that kind of explains it, but that it's
kind of a weird thing. Right. Then Jewish people came
from a different kind of a planetary system than us.
They didn't origin So this alien race is saying that
humans didn't originate on Earth.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
We didn't evolve from apes of gorillas. We actually were
created by the Creator, and we used to live on
different planets originally. But when the planets kind of cool
down or dyed h for that matter, Mars is that planet,

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and we have to migrate to a younger, more lively
planet in which the core uh is hot UH and
can have the electronic magnetic electronic magnetic forces to capture
the atmosphere so that we can have oxygen to breathe them.

(01:11:41):
So this is the reason why we have to uh
migrate to a younger planet like Earth originally. And so
this is the explanation given in this book, in which
I find it to be more convincing than than the
theory that we evolved from We're evolved from Homo sapiens

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or gorillas.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
You know, I as Christian, as I was raised, I
still always believed in evolution mostly. You know, I know
they're missing pieces of a puzzle, but it seems like
we do have some scientific evidence of sort of a
you know, evolutionary path from apes to ape like humans

(01:12:31):
in between human and ape, and then a little more human,
a little more human until we get to more modern
humans like you know, Homo sapiens and chromagnums and things.
You don't believe evolution is real.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Well, evolution happens, but we are not from the evolutions
of apes or gorillas. Are created by the Creator or God,
a pure spirit. So so we do the species. Different

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species do evolve over time, but not to the point
that they.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Changed to a whole other species. Yeah. I've heard that
kind of argument before, I suppose. And we have Charlie
tu Troll with a very good question. Ask him about
the giants of the Old Testament. Does this book talk
about the I don't recall. Does it talk about giants
of the Old Testament or the nepholeum or that kind

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of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Well, it really doesn't say anything about the nephiliines or
the giants.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Okay, for the support and the question.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Yeah, but the ideas themselves are giants. They're hermaphetized too,
meaning that they have both male and female sexual organs.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
So so the aliens were actually neither male nor female.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
That's right. They'd appear to be females.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
But they're hermaphrodites. They have both sex organs. And what
what I remember just reading this earlier today, but what
was the reason that they gave for why they were hermaphroditic.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Because they're highly evolved beings, so they can control birth
on their own, so they can actually have a baby
born out of their own kind of uh decision. They
don't have to rely on color.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
But that's kind of weird. Did they bang themselves or like?
I don't and I don't know if you're aware, but
there's a lot of Christian mythology about angels and demons
that basically says the same thing. They're hermaphroditic, they're not.
They're either both or they're not. There's they don't have
a sex.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
Right, but they look very sexy. So this is why
why I think about the Old Testaments of the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Bible, Well, until you get to the cock, then you're
gonna be like whoa, whoa buddy, well, buddy, right. So
their appearance that is like typical Mordid, you know, blonde hair,
blue eyed, beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
So they are Nordic looking. Okay, they have very sexy
breasts too. Their eyes are very light.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
I'm sorry, I'm still thinking about a hot chick with
nice breasts and a cock, and that's kind of kill
The cock kills it for me, Samuel Chong, I can't
you know, no matter how hot she is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
It is. So this is this is why I mean
when I think about the story of go So then Gomorrah,
and when in the Bible it says that they commit
sounami and they all wanted the angels wanted to have
sex with the angels of God. The angels appear to
be like women, and if the angels are the Fubens

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from this book so.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Or sometimes they're described as androgynous, which would mean you're
not quite sure. You look at them and you go,
that's a very feminine looking man or a very masculine
looking woman, you know, and you connections of the angels
in art and culture, you know, like I have a

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big painting of archangel Michael, and in the painting you're
not sure when you look at it, is it a
man or a woman? It's kind of both.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Yeah, but the butts uh do appear to be very feminine,
feminine according to Michelle, and they speak with a very
uh kind of attractive voice as well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
So they look like a chick, they talk like a chick,
but they've got a cock still. So yeah. Uh. And
we have a good question from Echo, who I guess
disagrees with your take on evolution and wants to YouTube.
Can you explain our genetic similarities with primates because like,
for example, ninety eight same DNA as chimpanzees. Thank you

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for the support, Echo, much appreciated.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
I mean, if you look at the genetic makeups of
different species, we all do have a lot of similarities.
If you compare like human human beings and mice, there
are a lot of genetic makeups that are the stain
but I think very unique in a way, not in

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the genetic aspect, but in the spiritual aspect in which
we have for astrobody. If you if you know people
who can see ghosts or our us.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Well, I know people who can claim to, but I
don't know that I believe them.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
But yeah, yeah, I do study like human energy fields,
like there are like that. Yeah, I mean not the
aura camera, but there's a different kind of aura device

(01:18:10):
or a reading device that can actually capture the the
the energy field of human body and fingers. And I
think the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Early in photography. You mean, I think it's early in photography.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
I've seen something, yes, yes, But also there's a GTV
device people can can do some research.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Yeah, And I don't know. Genetics is confusing to me
because I can't say, you know, okay, so we share
ninety eight percent of our genetics with chimpanzees, but we
also share fifty percent of our genetics with a banana.
You can look that up, like human DNA and banana
DNA is fifty percent similar. So I don't I don't

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know if the similarity is an argument against evolution, because
why are we so similar to banana dna?

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
You know, Yeah, and compared to mice or dogs, and
we do have a lot of similar DNA makeaps.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Yeah, but why do you think that if you don't
believe evolution is real and we were created as a
separate species, why would the chips be so close to
us within two percent of us? I mean I guess
that's a big shift two percent. You know, we have
bigger brains and all that, but why would we be

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so similar to chips or gorillas or orangutans.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
M I think I don't have an answer to that.
I have to say, I don't know. I'm not an
expert in this area.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Okay, now, now that's fair enough. So he he gets
all this sort of like filling in the blanks of
human knowledge and different mysteries, and they tell him that
they've intervened in human affairs for I guess thousands of years,

(01:20:17):
and then they just take him back and say, go
tell everybody what happened to you?

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Is that just a man? And I think this is
the reason why there's a book of emails for us
to read, and this is a modern version just trying
to give us warnings what we need to do to
change the course of future for the better, because as
you don't know, if you realize that we have been

(01:20:45):
doped better politicians and you know, manatory system in which
people believe that the either party is probably better than
the other, but in fact there's a group of people
who ran things behind the scenes, manipulating both party leaders.
And I actually have first hand experience on that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
It's nice of them to intervene with human affairs. Why
do they care, mister child, Why do they care about
the human species?

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
It's a very good question.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Do they do that to other species as well? Have
they interviewed with other species?

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
They do? They care because it's their role to guide
us as our mentors, to lead us into the spiritual path,
not into a materialistic world in which the result is
going to be a nuclear war or or a kind
of a catastrophic event. Because if you really think about it,

(01:21:47):
if people become more materialistic, they're going to envy each
other for their wealth. So this is why a lot
of people are so jealous or the wealth of the
Jewish people. And so since we're all created by the
same creator, the key is about love and spirituality, and
I think it's important for people to realize that this

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is exactly what Christ told us.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Well, that's true, But you know, I guess one of
the problems that I have with the book too is
if I were to go and visit a super advanced species,
did the thought not occur to him to ask for
something for humanity, like a cancer cure or like secret

(01:22:37):
to immortality that these people seem to have or have
the capability of.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Well, you know, the book actually is so interesting because
it expens questions like this, because we all have lessons
to learn in this lifetime. Better through responding to a
health crisis like cancer or an unfortunate event. It's through
the unfortunate event, through the challenges that we will face,

(01:23:07):
we learned different spiritual lessons. And he actually saw his
past lives already in in athro form. And once he
was a German miner like a mining worker. Once he
was a Japanese golsmith, he was an African boy who
was eaten by a lion, and then he was another lifetime,

(01:23:32):
a queen on different planet, ruling a third of the planet.
So we have different roles to play each of our lifetime,
and we do learn the different lessons by responding to
the challenges that we are face in our lifetime. So

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this is the essence of life. And we don't have
to envy the super wealthy like Japes Gates, because they
have their own lessons. So they're as super wealthy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Well I'm fine with it super wealthy as long as
they do good things. But I'm more a fan of
musk than bezos, for sure, because you know, I've known
people that had to work in Amazon warehouses under terrible conditions,
and we've heard the stories where people can't even piss,
They have to piss in a bottle because the time.
You know, like that, if you've got that much money,

(01:24:28):
let your employees stop and take a piss, you know,
Like I don't know, But the point of the point
that the aliens had is sort of Christian and nature
and that we got to love each other and love
and light and we should spend our time developing ourselves
spiritually and not worry so much about technologically or financial things,

(01:24:53):
isn't it right? That's kind of the gist of what
they wanted him to to come back in others.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
And they want us to help ourselves because that's the
way to learn more effective effectively. For example, if you
want to teach your son a mathematical problem, you wouldn't
just give him the answer directly. You would give him
some hints.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
And show him, Yeah, show him how to get to that. Yes,
he can have with the great uh with more great
supports as love your name. What is your viewpoint on reincarnation?
And we'll add to that, what did these aliens say
about reincarnation, because I recall that from the.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Book, Yes there are reincarnations. And for people who want
to research, they can read the works of doctor Ian Stevenson,
a medical doctor, yeah, who studied well three hundred children
who remember their past lives. And according to the ets,

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we will evolve through the different reincarnations. So the different
the past life or different lifetimes every experience are just
like different positions on real what goes up has to
come down, so we have to experience everything. So in
one lifetime we may be the poorest person on the street,
a beggar. On different lifetime we may experience was like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
To, I hope that reincarnation is real because I agree
with you. I don't think that one lifetime is enough
to get the whole human experience, right, Like what is
it like to be a woman. I don't really know,
you know, I mean I know women in my life
that could kind of inform me of what it's like

(01:26:40):
to be a woman, But it would be a different
experience to live a whole lifetime as a woman. And
then you're right, like some people are very blessed, like
maybe they're born into a rich family where maybe they
were given a lot of opportunities for education and personal
advancement that other people didn't get. So it be interesting

(01:27:01):
to live both, as you're right, like, it'd be interesting
to see what what is it like to struggle through
life as a poor person barely making ends meet. That
would be a totally different human experience than somebody born
into a rich family being given great opportunities and great
financial you know, resources to do to That be a

(01:27:22):
different life.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Yeah, And what happens that when a person passes the
astrobody leaves a physical body, and there's going to be
a life reveal process in which everything he did in
his lifetime will be shown to him holographically, and he
will be able to feel and experience all the feelings
of the others in which he did certain things down

(01:27:46):
to the others. So it's like a unimportent experience in
which he is able to feel the feelings of others
when certain things happened. And then this evalution process will
continue until he decides what kind of spiritual lessons in
the next lifetime. And then when everything's decided, the memory

(01:28:09):
is erased because well sometimes it's not. He raised completely
this is why some children remember their past lives.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
There are some creepy cases of that. There's definitely some
creepy cases of that. And Echo, thank you for the support.
And this is a good question something I've often wondered about.
Why are these angels and gods anthropomorphic or human like?
Why are they always so close to humans?

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
This is a very good question. You know, I have
this question on my own, but I didn't get the
opportunity to ask the Aarthor when he was alive. You know,
we all are human beings on this planet Earth. And
when he went on the planet Theuba, he saw different

(01:29:05):
species of egis. Some of those looked like us, some
of those looked a little bit differently. But it seems
that we all have like brains. We all have. They
all have eyes, they'll have arms or legs. They will
look like like a human shaped beans, even though some
of them have skin like snake like skins. Some of

(01:29:29):
them have three eyes, some of them have like horns.
But by in large, by large, we all look like
the same human species. This is the question I well have.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
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(01:30:07):
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author is no longer alive. Is that what you said?
I wasn't okay, wow? And so you're just going around

(01:30:30):
promoting his book still, which I guess is a good thing, you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
Know, because I know the one thing he didn't write
in the book he concerns our future. So this goes
back to the original question, why am I working so
hard doing this because I think the future can be changed.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Was there like an apocalyptic vision that he was shown
or something like that, because that seems to be very
common with some of these laied encounters people are showing.
You hear these stories that people are shown like Earth,
the end of the world, And you guys have to
do something like clean up your environment is a common thing,

(01:31:08):
or stop nuclear war. So what was the thing that
what was this that he left out of the book
that you're aware of.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
It's about different possibilities of future that we can create.
But there's the time in which we have to turn
in our extents, in which we have to be evaluated.
And I think we can do a very good job
getting one hundred percent correct on the extent or we

(01:31:43):
can feel the exam So this is why I'm encouraging
people to really get to know the truth and to
really learn what we need to do to improve ourselves
in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
One question that occurred to me is why would these
aliens do this to get these messages to humanity. Wouldn't
it be faster to just appear on the White House
lawn and give, you know, give like a book of
information or computer files of information or something to somebody

(01:32:18):
in power to distribute to the whole human race. It
seems like these guys are these aliens. This is what
makes me skeptical sometimes, like, Okay, so these aliens are
so super advanced that they can transverse the whole galaxy
in half a day, and you know they have the
ability to live forever or create new bodies, regenerate their

(01:32:39):
old bodies. But they need to just basically borrow a
human and tell them a bunch of stuff and say,
go tell everybody. Wouldn't there be a better way to
share their message with all the whole planet than to
do it this way.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
There are several responses. One is that the politicians that
we have now are so focused on different things to
benefit certain groups of people, and the ETS believe that
the power lies in the hands of the people. Great
revolutions always come from the people at the grassroot level,

(01:33:23):
and we can make great changes. And if you look
at history, all the great revolutions come from the people,
not from the politicians or the leaders. The leaders listen
to the ways of the people if there are good leaders.
And the second reason is that it's not the time yet.

(01:33:44):
I'm saying this because in the past, in ancient civilizations,
the ETS did have frequent contacts with the people who
were highly civilized and advanced on Earth. And it's just
like if you go to a zoo, if you see
two groups of gorillas fighting amongst themselves, you wouldn't want

(01:34:07):
to invite them to your beautiful mention so that they
make a mess because they're not really it for to
be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
I guess I've heard this argument before that you know,
we have to evolve or ascend first before we will
be on the same level as them.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
At the same time, if we don't evolve par of
free will, we all have our free will, we don't
evolve in a civilized manner. I think the future is
going to be like what's documented in the ancient scriptures,
just like a southern gomorra.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Yeah, I guess, and Echo, thank you for the support,
says fifty seven different kinds of aliens, like cliff Stone said,
it's not heinz ketchup fifty seven varieties. I don't know, Echo,
I don't know clips that cliff Oh, Cliffords own said,
I was thinking Cliff High, Yeah, I know Cliffstone. Then okay, well, yeah,

(01:35:06):
he said there was fifty seven kinds of aliens, but
who knows how many there would be. Seems like a
vast galactic ocean out there, and there should be thousands
of different species.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
I want to emphasize that there are far more than
one hundred and forty seven eighties just in our milky Way. Galaxy,
because that's the list amount of eties that that the
other stall and the other eties all kind of visit us,
but they don't intervene or interfere with our activities because

(01:35:43):
there's not their road to do. So they're just observers
and sometimes we do have sightings and encounters that I
want to say that the reason that we haven't been
back to the Moon for in the in the last
fifty years is because they're warned off from They're preventing

(01:36:05):
us from exploring the universe because we are not ready spiritually.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
But is that really true? Because we've had Chinese landers
on the Moon. They were.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Pardon not astronauts, not astronauts any on them.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
Okay, so not people. But we've had unmanned missions and
they didn't destroy those. So what we're allowed to send
robots but not.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
People, Yes, I mean we can send robots or kind
of base. I think there's one thing I want to
mention is that when the Chinese took pictures on the
farthest of the Moon, there's a delay of revealing the

(01:36:49):
photos to the public. I don't know what they did,
but it's very very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
They I don't believe most of the Moon conspiracy though,
mister Chong. And here's why, the Soviet Union, the United States,
and China all have orbiters. They all have satellites around
the Moon that are imaging the Moon. So when you
hear these stories of like, oh, there's alien bases on
the far side of the Moon, no, we would see them.

(01:37:19):
Either that or there's a grand conspiracy between China, Russia,
and the United States to conceal that. You know, but
we've all got each of those countries have a satellite
that's imaged the entire Moon. So I'm not a big
believer of the you can't go to the Moon or
there's alien bases or don't. I don't know, because it

(01:37:42):
seems like a common UFO mythology.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
Yes, but what would be the reason that we haven't
sent anyone back to the Moon yet?

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Yeah, I mean, I'm a big fan of space exploration,
so I think we certainly should be there. And if
Nassi followed their original plan, we would have already have
a moon base and been to Mars by now. But
they didn't follow their original plan. After Apollo, they had
a roadmap, they had the Apollo program to go to
the Moon, and then right after that we were supposed

(01:38:19):
to build sort of a moon base that would be
manned and it would be a launching pad to Mars
and then they would do the manned exploration of Mars.
But they just lost. I think they lost, you know,
political will. Also, it was a big deal to beat
the Soviet Union to the moon, and once we'd done that,
it was kind of like, well, we already did it,

(01:38:40):
so why go back? But yeah, the expense and a
lot of people don't know. But there was more Apollo
rockets that were never used, so they could have continued
the Apollo program but they didn't. So maybe that's where
some of the conspiracy thinking comes from, that we didn't
go back for some other reason, right.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
Yeah, I think we should watch China to see if
there you have to send any astronounce on the road.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
Well, I think Musk is going to get there soon,
don't you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
I hope he does. I hope he's able to do
that successfully. But Mars is actually a different story. Is
is a planet that's very difficult for people, difficult for
people to survive.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
Yeah, I'm fascinated with Mars and I'm hopeful that we
will terrorform Mars eventually or at least have manned civilizations
there because I agree with Elon Musk, like, you know,
a comet or a big asteroid could come along and
destroy all of humanity. And if we are you know,
the what if we are the only conscious people in

(01:39:52):
the Solar System and then a comet comes where you know,
big catastrophe comes and destroys humanity. We need to be
a multiplanet species so that we would have a better
chance of long term survival, right and even just from
a perspective of expanding humanity being on Mars and having

(01:40:15):
a whole different human culture on another planet that's the
as different as it is, it's the closest to Earth
that we can eventually hopefully terrorform. Have you do you
know much about terraforming Mars and some of the plans
that people have had. It seems like it would be possible,
but it would take a few generations to make it habitable.

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
I think it'll be very difficult for people to survive
on Mars, even there's the advancements of the technologies, because
first of all, we have to make oxygen and to
keep the oxytreen into a certain kind of space for

(01:40:59):
people to survive. And also we have to make a
lot of things happen so that we can have our
necessities ready. I think it's very difficult. It's a cold
planet all but I do believe that there was life
on Mars in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
It seems very clear that there was liquid water for sure,
and that's a sure fire sign of life. And many
of the planetary scientists and you know, astrophysicists and astronomers
believe that there was some form of life and a
more earthlike environment and atmosphere, and it seems like they're

(01:41:41):
finding signs of microbial life on Mars. So yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
I mean, if you think about this, like if Mars
was like Earth like a million years ago, having or
had life on the planet, then now it doesn't, then
it means that there's a dead planet already transforming from

(01:42:10):
a lively planet into a dead planet. If we go
back to a dead planet, wouldn't it be like kind
of trying to reverse what happened in the past. Yeah,
Like why do we find like a younger planet, a
planet younger than Earth that's easier to survive.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
On, Well, because there's none in nearby proximity. Mars is
the closest you know, the closest thing that we could find. Ever,
Nurse Mark says, if we were seated, then it was
probably by some alien kids f and around who are
probably still grounded to this day for the colossal mistake. Yeah,

(01:42:51):
a lot of people think that the Earth was seated
with life, that it didn't naturally occur, or that there's
you know what is that called pant spermia. But thank
you for the support every Nurse Mark, much much appreciated.
So yeah, so you're firm in your belief that this
person had this genuine experience and went to other planet.

(01:43:14):
It's all these aliens. So this book has pretty profoundly
changed your life, regardless of what other people believe about it, right, Yeah,
in what ways has it changed your life or your
perspective on your human experience?

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
First of all, I didn't believe anything in the Bible
until I read this book. And I didn't really took
Piesus or Christ seriously before and now I do. And
second thing is the recent change. I started to meditate
because I think it's actually suggested by the Itchies in
the book, because I think it really helps me to

(01:43:56):
concentrate and clarify my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
And oh, I think meditation and is extremely beneficial. And
I got into meditation many years ago, and I always
say that some of my Christian friends think that it's
a bad idea to get into like Buddhism or meditation
or even yoga. Some people are against that, but I

(01:44:19):
don't know. To me, I have a philosophy like Bruce
Lee Ji Kundo. He would take what is useful and
he would discard the rest, so I don't have to
believe all the facets of Buddhism. In fact, I have
a hard time getting my mind around Buddhism because there's
no emphasis on God in Buddhism. You know, So meditation

(01:44:42):
really changed you and you were encouraged to do that
from this book.

Speaker 3 (01:44:46):
Yes, this book. Taichi's say that if you want to
be more spiritual, start to meditate.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
Okay, yeah, I don't know. I don't know how it
could not be beneficial to meditate even on you know,
like I really like the impermanent meditations because they kind
of just ground me, you know. They teach me that
all things are are not here forever. You know, everything changes,

(01:45:18):
and it helps to not hold on to things so
strongly for me, And you're right, it helps me to concentrate,
and you know, yeah, I mean, but it's funny that
it took a book by a guy that went to
another planet for you to learn that meditation was good,
Isn't Isn't meditation much more common in Chinese culture than

(01:45:39):
American culture?

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
Well, the Chicken practitioners they medit it quite a bit,
but the younger Chinese in the modern days, they don't
do that anymore. So to me, I'm more like a
person who wanted to accumulate a lot of material wealth
in the past, so I didn't really meditate at all

(01:46:02):
in the past. But in China, I will say the
people who meditated, they really meditated quite a bit. So
the people nowadays they started to lose their their ancient
teachings or doctrines.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
Or do you think that CCP has a lot to
do with that?

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
That kind of a lot of the CCP In Taiwan,
a lot of people don't meditate it either. It's just
the modern society, rand.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
Race culture stops people from slowing down and doing that,
I suppose. Or people don't have time for spirituality anymore.
You know, everybody's so busy in rat racing around right, Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
so I guess, uh, just to close out, So you're
just gonna you're going to continue to be sort of

(01:46:49):
an evangelist of this book. You believe so strongly in
this right, right.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
I think I'm going to try my best. The key
is not about the book is a knowledge, the knowledge
that people need to have order to prepare for what's
coming in the future so that they can make the
right decisions. The key is to look inside for answers
to meditate or pray or do whatever you need, just

(01:47:16):
to really realize that you can connect to the creator
directly without relying on him in the agency like the
church or politicians or the media. Just look inside forensiers.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
And I guess I would be real massified it and
ask though, like what if this guy was just telling
stories and this is all fake and none of this
really happened to him, Does it matter to you if
if the end result was still so beneficial to you,
whether it's real or not matters or.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
Well, it really doesn't matter to me, because I actually
was able to investigated a lot of the things that
I didn't know about, like the human energy field, or
the effects of different colors, or the stories in the Bible,
specifically meditation, because I think I knew about meditation before,

(01:48:16):
but I didn't really count took it seriously until recently.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
Okay, all right, well listen, I appreciate that you took
the time to try to inform us about this book,
and if you wouldn't mind sending me the link to
where people can get the book for free, because people
are asking me I have it, but I could put
it on a Google drive and give it to my audience,
but I don't know, you know what I mean, if
it's already somewhere else, I'd rather just send them the

(01:48:45):
link to it, and just so people are aware. It's
not a very it's an interesting read. I'll say this,
it's an interesting read. And it's one hundred and eighty
three pages and that's with a forward and a PostScript
it so one hundred and eighty three pages is very,
very doable. It's not like, you know, do you ever

(01:49:07):
read the Ranch a book? No, because I really to
get through that thing. It's so long. It's so long.
It's just so long. But this is a quick read,
so maybe people will enjoy that, and I'd be happy
to share it with my audience. I appreciate you taking
the time to do this. And see I didn't yell
and scream at you or anything, Samuel Chong. So maybe

(01:49:29):
some other people who are more on the believer side
of things will be willing to come here and know
that we'll be respectful and even if we disagree, we
could still learn something. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
Yes, I know people have people should treat each other respectfully.
I mean, it's just the way it is.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
I don't yeah, yeah, okay, Well, I appreciate your time,
and maybe you could come on and talk about some
other subjects that you're interested in in the future. I'd
like that, all right. And when I throw you out
of here, you could just close down your browser tab
and you're good to go. So thank you, mister Samuel Toong.
That was very interesting. You have a good evening, all right,

(01:50:10):
bye bye? All right, friends, that was interesting and I
made it through without yelling and screaming at him. Why
does everybody think I'm gonna yell at the guests?

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
I did yell at a I did yell at on Jolly,
but that's because she was delusional, right, I don't know.
I feel like this guy really truly believes in this book.
And but what gives me caution about this book is
that it's kind of like the Rancho book. Look look

(01:50:42):
up the Rancher book. If you're a Christian or a Catholic.
There's a lot of unanswered questions about Jesus and the Lucifer,
the angels, the demons, our place in the universe, whether
there's aliens, whether there's other civilizations, our ancient history, and
the Urantia book is much like this book in my opinion,

(01:51:06):
and that it seems too good to be true because
it's like, hey, remember all those questions that you have
about all those things that the Bible doesn't really you know,
delve deeply into or give you the answers for. Well,
here's a book that gives you all the all the
answers to all the questions that you may have had.

(01:51:28):
This book is very similar. And also from a religious perspective,
we've seen time and time again that there is this
sort of new age, I guess, sort of trend that
is replacing God with the aliens. So instead of God

(01:51:50):
creating people, advanced extraterrestrial aliens tinkered with our DNA, with
pre Homo sapy and you know, Haman, and they created
the human race. Or for example, in this book, as
we were talking about with mister Chong, God gave the

(01:52:11):
Israelites mana when they were in the desert trying to
find the Promised Land. And in this book God didn't
do that. These aliens created the manna and gave it
to the Israelites, and God didn't destroy Sodom and Gomora.
The aliens did. So I don't know how I feel

(01:52:33):
about that. It's kind of like replacing God with aliens.
Just a little update, you know, a little tweaking. Right
now that we've become such such a more technology focused,
technology based civilization, maybe we just want to replace the
spiritual mystery of things like God and gods and angels

(01:52:56):
and demons. Maybe we just want to replace that with
something a little more evable, which is the super technologically
advanced beings that also happen to be very much more
spiritually advanced. Troi Troll troll with one for the goal.
You deserve a thumbs up for sticking your neck out
and branching out. You definitely don't want to end up
like DSP. I have no problem, and by the way,

(01:53:19):
just just thank you, Troy tul Troll and thank you
for the I didn't know how he would react to
those praise the cash bumpers, so we haven't done them
all night. But here you go. Felt weird because the
guy so serious and he showed up in a suit
and tie, you know, And I don't want to be
like praise the cash bitches. You know. It's kind of

(01:53:41):
a serious conversation. But the thing, thank you, TROLLI troll troll,
and I agree with you. We don't want to end
up like desp We want to be willing to try
new things and constantly change things. This episode reminded me
of old art Bell conversations. Well good, and I hope
that we're going to be doing more of this and
I'd like to be able to show some of the

(01:54:01):
true believers. Look, we can have a good conversation, but
here's what I will say on the record. And I
don't think that I would have said this to his face,
but we you know, kind of ran out the clock.
Do I believe this gentleman went to some alien planet
for nine days?

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
I think this is a story. And even though he
didn't profit from it, you know, Steve needs that money.
He really really do your goddamn right, I do he's
still at the office show stored at four pm. Oh,
you're right, maybe he was still at his office. The
guy's a lawyer too, and so well educated. Yeah, but

(01:54:40):
thank you for that. So I don't know that I
believe this story because for me, faith is not enough.
And we hear a lot of different people will say
something like like, I have a friend who's a huge
fan of the Rancho book. He's the one who encouraged
me to get one and start reading it, and I did,
but I every time I pick up that book, I
can't get through the whole thing. But in any case,

(01:55:05):
my friend would say something like the book really resonated
with me as true. I'm not okay with that, like
just because you know, and I feel like maybe mister
Chong is a victim to this as well. Some people
read The Law of One and even though it's a
channel work, there's absolutely no evidence or proof that it

(01:55:26):
came from any divine source. Some people read it and
it really rings true with them, and it resonates as
true with them, and they believe it's true. But I'm
a little more cautious. I get this too good to
be true. Feeling about the Uranchia book and the Law
of One and this book there, all three of them

(01:55:47):
are very similar in that somebody is saying, Hey, all
the questions, the unanswered questions that you have, all the
mysteries of the universe that you've always wondered about. I
have the answers and here they are. That makes me very,
very cautious. It's like the best thing that I could

(01:56:08):
say is it's too good to be true? Right, And yeah,
I don't know, I don't know what to think about it.
But he seemed this guy seems very genuine in his belief.
If you believe something enough, your mind can make you think,
you see things that confirm your beliefs. Yeah, it kind
of hypnotizes you. Yeah, that's another good what's the alternative

(01:56:31):
to believing it's too good to be true? Yeah, I
mean he started off strong but kind of fell down
the law of none. Yes, So questions or comments for me,
please put them in all capital letters and we're gonna
check in with the kick chat. I apologize, just so
everybody's aware. Sometimes it's very difficult to do the interview

(01:57:00):
and check in with everything one moment. No nothing to
call out on Kick. We've only got Chill Station seven
for support on Kick tonight. Thank you Chill Station seven
for your kindness, generosity and support. Spooky, don't start your shit, man,

(01:57:22):
don't start your shit making me work. There will be
a Kick exclusive show sometime this week weekend. They are
having trouble finding links between species that is us an octopi.
Of course, the easiest explanation would be to say aliens
laugh out loud or God's right, Et says Steve. More

(01:57:45):
shows like this please, Oh, thank you ever Nurse Mark
for your kindness, generosity and support of the show. Much
much appreciated. All right, and Et says, more shows like
this please. Look, I'm willing to expand my horizons and
see the reason that I knew that I would have

(01:58:08):
a good conversation with him is because he's incredibly well
spoken and incredibly well educated, and he speaks very eloquently
about a variety of different subjects that I'm also interested in,
like human evolution, reincarnation, life on other planets, UFOs, aliens.
So find me some better guests and we'll do that.

(01:58:33):
Oh yeah, somebody's trying to sell me. Somebody's trying to
sell me, So what do you want less than a
thousand dollars well streaming at me on Discord? No, thank you.
We don't buy bots, you told me Saturday. I don't know.
Uh listen, I have a cabin to build and I
don't know what's going on yet. I'm leaving for the

(01:58:54):
cabin tomorrow night, though Friday night Kickdown could be Friday
could be. For all I know, I do to kick
all these shows. If they're as well supported as that
first one, I'm gonna be doing a lot of Kick
Kick And I don't what's the deal. If I only
stream on kick, I get huge support. But if I'm

(01:59:15):
streaming on kick and somewhere else, people are like fucking
let the people on YouTube pay him? Right. I don't
know what this is about, Like, how does this work? Right?
What platforms does he stream on? Guys? Currently we're on Twitch,
YouTube and kick dot com. I think you're asking me. Yeah,

(01:59:42):
they can't appear exactly as us because they have graves.
What what? What are you saying some questions or comments
for me? Please put him on the live chat. You
got to do a cabin stream like low Cowcat Low
Cow Live. Yeah, I mean yeah, I'm willing to do that,
and I got the streaming set up at the cabin working.

(02:00:02):
So is the fishing derby over TROLLI tiltroll, Yeah, and
my son Xavier won. For those unaware, every year, my family,
my entire family and extended family, all the visitors to
the cabin, we're all. We are all in a fishing
derby or competition, and whoever catches the most fish for
the whole summer season, no matter where, wins the tournament.

(02:00:29):
And the last couple of years in a row, my
young youngest son Xavier has won. How many cabins are
there too? Yeah, for Patty, I have the first cabin
that I built, and about three miles away, I bought
a big plot of a forest like seven eight acres

(02:00:49):
and I'm building a second cabin there right now. And
I am furiously trying to finish that cabin, Miss Wilhelm
before the winter comes, because I would really like to
spend some time in there over the winter. But I
got walls to build a woodstove, to install a floor,
to build a roof, to build It's I try not

(02:01:10):
to get discouraged. Here's what I will say. Every week
I go there and the walls get a little bit higher.
I guess all you can ask for is sometimes is
a little bit of a little bit of progress. But
the problem is I really don't like I mean, I

(02:01:32):
could just blame the local township. For a year, more
than a year, I was fighting with them for the
permits to be able to legally build the cabin there.
And for a year they strung me along, asked me
for eight thousand pages of paperwork and plans and construction
blueprints and fucking plot plans, architectural plans, all kinds of shit.

(02:01:52):
The cabin should be should already be done. It's a
very small cabin. It's like it's like fourteen by sixteen.
But you know, what are you going to do? You know,
life is what happens while you're busy making plans. Drop
the program and use common sense. When thinking about gaps

(02:02:13):
in the God's story, Well, you know, people will always
try to fill in the blanks. I think the Dune
seemed to try to answer the questions honestly. Yeah, and
he's not selling the book. They're giving it away so
coast to coast tooth seekers. Yes, it's worse in Florida
with all the building regulations. I've heard that it was
bad enough where I am, and it cost me twenty

(02:02:35):
one hundred and fifty dollars plus no twenty two hundred
and fifty dollars because I had to pay a friend
of mine to do the plot plan. I had to
pay one hundred bucks for that. So twenty two hundred
and fifty dollars in permits to build an eight x
eight tool shed, a four x four outhouse, and a

(02:02:56):
fourteen by sixteen cabin. That's kind of ridiculous. And I
don't know why the webcam keeps going glitchy. It's kind
of part of the aesthetic, right. I'm going to try
to fix that before the next show. And I apologize
using money from stolen from Wilcox to live a life
of luxury while he suffers. That is correct, right. Thoughts

(02:03:19):
on the drone and incursions in airports all over Europe, well,
you know, I just think that drones are becoming so
much more common, and the bigger ones, even really big drones,
are becoming incredibly inexpensive. So I just think it's pranksters
and stuff. I don't think it's anything you're worry about.

(02:03:40):
But we are all born with a god shape hole
in our hearts, Louis Pascal, Well, that's interesting. Ray Gunner
hates permits. Me too. It's the worst two hundred bucks.
I could have bought a new computer. I could have
bought all kinds of shit for my cabin, like I
could have bought a generator, a solar power system, batteries,

(02:04:03):
all kinds of stuff I could have bought. Nope, give
it to the government so that they can fucking waste it.
You know, those drones are dangerous in commercial airspace. I agree,
twenty two hundred dollars worth of permits is ridiculous. Well,
the local township fucked me, and I pardon me. I

(02:04:40):
stood up to the local township who first said I
was not allowed to build a cabin on that property.
And I stood up to them and I said, you
can't stop me. It's it's fucking state law. I'm building
a cabin. You guys don't have more authority than than
the state government. And the state government says I can
build a cabin. There a recreational cabin. So I filed

(02:05:02):
my state recreational cabin AFID David and then they had
a meeting, the local township, and they decided they had
no permit fee for a recreational cabin. They made the
permit fee for the recreational cabin after I stood up
to them two thousand dollars. So I feel like this
is retaliatory and I can file a complaint with the state.

(02:05:26):
I haven't yet, but I believe I'm going to do that.
Right ever, Nurse Mark says, I have a drone story.
This preceded to drones by like nine or ten months.
They've been running back and forth from Dover Air Force
Base for about a year. Because I drive at night
from nine pm to four or five in the morning.
I tried to alert authorities and nobody know what I
was talking about. Two months later it was all in

(02:05:46):
the news. Yeah, those were test flights around that base.
Operation shutdown says retaliatory. Yeah, they're not allowed to fucking
retaliate against you because you stood up for your rights.
Legislative bullying, right, get that two grand back? I intend to.
I'm gonna look into it next week. For anybody that

(02:06:08):
knows me, paperwork is my kryptonite, like you, When you
make me fill out paperwork, I will become paralyzed like
I hate. I hate, and every month I have to
fill out a physical check for the old guy I
bought the property off of. He will not take PayPal
or Venmo or wire transfer. He's got to get a

(02:06:30):
Every month. I fight myself like it's it's the eighth
I've just it doesn't have to be there till the fifteenth.
I'm sure it'll make it. He's only in Amityville, New York,
and I'm in Pennsylvania. But every month when I have
to write that check, I like, oh my god, I
gotta sit down, write a check, address an envelope, go
to the post office. It just I don't know why,
but that kind of stuff paralyzes me. So doing a

(02:06:54):
bunch of paperwork to file a complaint against the local township,
and by the way, they've already retaliated. I haven't decided
if I'm going to do this. Do I want to
get my money back? I think that I should be
able to get my money back, because I don't think
they have the legal right to charge me a permit
fee ten times higher than a house permit fee. You

(02:07:15):
could build a house for one hundred and fifty dollars permit.
Why is a recreational cabin two thousand dollars when those
don't even require any inspections whatsoever. They can't justify the
administrative expense to make the permit fee that high. Spooky says, Oh, no,
I've been stricken with paperwork and my legs have ceased
to function. That's what happens. I'm telling you, it's paralyzing.

(02:07:37):
It's paralyzing to me to have to do paperwork. But
and like I said, I haven't decided do I really
want to fight with them more. I plan on building
something like six or seven more cabins at that property.
So if I don't fight them now, over the long term,
I'm going to have to pay them thousands and thousands
of dollars in these permit fees for what they don't

(02:07:59):
even inspect when it's done. There's no building permit or
there's no building codes, there's no inspections, so they can't
justify that kind of expense. But we'll see, I haven't
written a check in like four years. I have to
write one every month now. No inspections. You answered your
own question. Yeah, that's why they don't like it, because

(02:08:19):
there's no inspections. It takes away all the power from them. Yep,
I procrastinate yep. I just finished some paperwork stuff, and
I just finished filling out the check for the land
payment today. It'll be mailed tomorrow. I have a great
relationship with that guy though, because he's trying to sell

(02:08:40):
me more property. So even if it's late, he's not
going to really worry about it. He knows I'm good
for it, and I also I am. Now I think
I'm two payments ahead of the mortgage. I've dumped extra
every month. I don't just pay the minimum payment, you know,

(02:09:01):
give them throw them an extra hundred, two hundred whatever
I have, I'm not. I am not going to take
fifteen years to pay that shit back. Yeah, true seekers cult.
I mean a compound where we can all make content. Yeah,
that's what we're going to do there. We're going to
get Starlink, We're going to be good Spooky. Spooky's going
to have Spooky will have Spooky can have their own

(02:09:24):
cabin there. You've got to come and build it though.
I'm not building yours. I'm having hard enough time building mine, right. So,
I think we had a good night to night friends
and people are saying they want to see more shows
like that, So we will try to be kinder to
the true believers. And you know, listen, I'm okay with

(02:09:44):
somebody that is clearly not a UFO grifter who has
a different belief system than me, or promotes different beliefs
than I believe in. I'm fine with that. I just
don't like the scammers because they're taking advantage of vulnera
people who desperately want to believe or understand their own experience.
This guy doesn't strike me like that, so I'm okay

(02:10:06):
with him or people like him. It's right when people do.
You know how many people message me that they want
to come on my show because they're selling a book. No,
you're not come on my show just to sell a book.
This guy wasn't selling a book. He was educating people
about the book. Right, So, I think we've done our
due diligence. I'm going to bounce on out of here.

(02:10:27):
There will be at least one more show this week,
but it may be a kick dot com exclusive show,
so be sure to follow me on x or Twitter
at Steven Cambian of checking him at the goal nine
of twenty doesn't look like we're gonna We're got two
minutes left, two minutes left to get eleven super chats
not going to happen, but hey, we thank you all
for the support. Just no overtime tonight. The medbed scammers

(02:10:51):
are unconscionable. Yeah, it's people like that that I save
my anger for. I'm not going to yell and scream
at this guy. He's a nice guy. He just believes
different things than me. Maybe that book really did resonate
with him and he believes it to be true. There's
no reason for me to be angry at him or
mean at him about that. Right. The goal says fifty
minutes left. Yeah, but there's not fifty minutes left of

(02:11:13):
the show. Spooky always wants me to work harder, right.
Be sure to follow me on x or Twitter at
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(02:11:38):
Just go to True Secrets Clips on YouTube. Go there,
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Now we need to watch time so that we could
give Spooky a job which I'd really like to do.
I think we've already kind of come to terms. We're
going to figure that out, but we have to have
it monetized, because Spooky does the best edits needs to

(02:12:00):
be paid. Michael Seabold, make it ten, Spooky, Make it
ten for Spooky. Thank you for your kindness, generosity and
support of the show. Much appreciated. I thank you, Michael
Seabold for the support. So I'm not sure when I'll
be back. Follow me on Twitter. I'll if we're doing

(02:12:21):
a kick dot com only show this weekend, and there's
a high likelihood that we're going to do that, at
least one, I will announce it on Kick dot com.
You may also come to the channel because you get
an alert that we're live. And if you come to
YouTube and it says live on Kick here's a link,
then you know to go over to the Kick dot

(02:12:41):
com channel because we'll only be doing kick exclusive stream.
We're going to keep trying that and get people ready
for the Have you made playlists or has anyone I'll
play those all night. No, We're gonna get there. We're
going to do that. I'll do that next week. Ever,
Nurse Mark there you go. Thanks again, brother, Well, thank
you for your kindness. Much appreciated. Every nurse Market is

(02:13:04):
turning into a big show supporter. Big ups to every
nurse market. Thanks for the support. All right, So I
hope that we'll be doing a kick dot com exclusive
show this weekend. I've got to get something together for that,
and I spent all last night after the show working

(02:13:24):
on the Internet and Sanity Circus show. It's kind of
a comedy of what is keeping that show from airing?
Because I set up the whole studio, had all the bumpers,
the animated backgrounds, the logos, everything set up in the
other software that we were using, ev Monks, So I
had to then go and set it up in stream yard.

(02:13:48):
But I'm happy to announce look at that the Internet
in Sanity Circus. I'm happy to announce that we got
we got it together, and we'll be able to technically
we can launch the show whenever I'm ready. Still a
few things to finish. I have the last puppet drying

(02:14:09):
on a workbench in the other room right now, how
to reglue eyeballs, and some other minor puppet surgery. But
we've got the Internet in Sanity Circus. All of the
technical part loaded into stream yards, So that was an
obstacle that is now behind us. Now, I'm happy to

(02:14:30):
say so. I will be announcing very very soon, and
I've decided I'm going to do the first Internet and
Saturday Circus show solo probably, and then we'll bring in
the We'll start bringing in the co hosts. I had
the Tiger folks. Is that another one? Oh? Look at that?

(02:14:52):
Ambergeddon says, permit recoup fund. Well, thank you for your kindness. Yes,
we just need nineteen hundred and ninety five dollars more.
Every nurse mark says, I am the Tiger folks. Thank
you for your kindness. Cap Uh, knees and elbows what

(02:15:16):
I don't know what that means. I used to sing
my kid that song though, right, knees, elbows, head and
toes or something something like that. It rings a bell.
Every nurse marks another, uh, yeah, thank you for your kindness,
Every nurse mark, very generous of you. Successful puppet surgery

(02:15:37):
is a good omen. Yes, can we hit the goal
three shows in a row? Hold on? How close are we? Fourteen?
All right? Uh? I will stick around, We'll try it.

Speaker 1 (02:15:48):
Well.

Speaker 2 (02:15:49):
Well, here we go. Let me read some from this
book that we covered. I didn't do that. We can
read some from the book if you're interested. He's going
to give me a link where you can download the
book for free. One second here, Yeah, three nights in

(02:16:09):
a row would be great. Let me present, let me
try to get it back. Just be a little dry,
just me reading recent I think that's it. Yeah, okay,

(02:16:35):
so this is the book. Oh, I don't have it
actually showing on the screen because I'm stupid. One moment,
unplanned slop Yes, till station seven says unplanned slop fund Well,
thank you for your kindness, generosity, and support. See, I'm
too willing. I'm too easy to give up on the goal.

(02:16:57):
I should. I gotta be more like dark Side will
and say I'm not fucking leaving until you fucker's pony
up the goal. Oh yeah, THEA. I think it's pronounced
thou uba prophecy. And by the way, I originally when

(02:17:20):
I put this up here, I marked it wrong. I
spelled it wrong, and Spooky let me know it was
spelled wrong in the title of tonight's video, and I
was like, well, it's a fucking made up word. It's
not my fault. Fucking made up fake words right, Operation
shutdown says I made downloaded that book. Good Michael Siebold
hearing the call of the goal, there is another one

(02:17:42):
for the goal. Thank you for your kindness. That's a
couple of them tonight, Michael Sebold, thanks for appreciating us.
We certainly appreciate this. Bless the goal, and God bless
all you people helping us to hit the goal. Thank you,
Michael Sebold. And now we have ever nurse Mark zong
Isram pew pew pew? What the fuck? What? All right?

(02:18:09):
Out close to me? Seventy three to the goal? All right,
I'm going to read this. Welcome to the slop portion
of the show. One second. So it's Michael Demarques is
the author of this thea Uba Prophecy, and he first
published it as Abduction to the Ninth Planet. Believing is

(02:18:32):
not enough you need to know, all right. So the
preface here says, I've written this book as a result
of orders received and which i have obeyed. So the
aliens ordered him to read to write the book further
is an account of events that happened to me personally.
This high affirm I imagine that to some extent, this

(02:18:54):
extraordinary story will appear to some readers as science fiction.
The story entirely invented, But I do not have the
imagination that such a fabrication would require. I don't think
that's a very good convincer. Like, look, guys, I couldn't
make this up. I'm not very imaginative. Come on, I
don't know about that. This is not science fiction. The reader

(02:19:16):
of good faith will be able to recognize the truth
in the message I transmit from my new friends to
the people of planet Earth. This message, in spite of
numerous references to racism or religions, reflects neither racial nor
religious bias on behalf of the author. That's weird. So
he had to say, like, I'm not a bigot. Fou

(02:19:36):
and Michael in front of the doco. So this was
the spaceship that took him. It looks like a big
egg would have been Wouldn't it have been better if
you got like a real photo. That seems pretty basic.
Here's me and the alien in front of the spaceship.

(02:19:58):
About that foul So the alien that contacted him was
named foul Oh Garagi with one for the goal to
help motivate you to draw up checks every month. Yeah,
thank you for kindness, Garagi. Longtime show supporter, Garagi. Thank

(02:20:21):
you for your kindness. Thanks for being a great supporter, Garagi.
And here we have Michael Sebold with another one. Isn't
that three tonight? Thank you for your kindness, generosity and support. Michael,
gotta not give up so quick because look at that
twenty and we hit the goal. And who, who, pray tell,

(02:20:43):
was the person that put us over the goal line?
That would be Maria cc. Thank you, Maria Cec. You
get the distinction of being the person that got us
over the goal line. Great teamwork. Thank you for your kindness.
See I was willing to bounce out. I got to
be more like Dark Side film, like, look, you fuckers,

(02:21:06):
I ain't leaving until we get this money. Holy shit,
praise the cash. That's three goals in a row, my friends,
three goals in a row. Thank you all for your kindness,
generosity and support of the show. It is much much appreciated.
So I'll read a little bit of this. As for
the overtime, since we hit the goal, I awoke suddenly,

(02:21:28):
not knowing how long I had slept. I was completely awake,
fresh and alert. I guess that's to stop people from
saying this was all a dream. But good God, what
time could it be? Lena was sleeping besides me, her
fists closed, but then Lena, but then Lena always sleeps.
I had no desire at all to go back to sleep,

(02:21:48):
and besides, it was probably already five in the morning.
I got up, made my way to the kitchen and
check the clock. Only twelve thirty am. It was unusual
for me to wake up at such an hour. I
took off my I guess that means pajamas. It says pijamas.
I took off my pajamas and dressed in trousers and
a shirt. Why, I had no idea? Neither can I

(02:22:10):
explain why. I went to my desk, took a sheet
of paper and watched myself write, as if my hand
had a mind of its own. My dear, I'll be
away for about ten days, Absolutely no need to worry. Well,
nice of the aliens to possess him and make him
leave a note for his wife so she wasn't worried.
Leaving the note by the telephone, I had it through

(02:22:32):
the door and onto veranda. I avoided the table on
which last night's chess game remained with the White king
still in checkmate, and silently opened the door leading to
the garden. The night seemed to be suffused with a
strange brightness which had nothing to do with the stars. Instinctively,
I tried to recall what phase the moon was currently,

(02:22:52):
and thinking that perhaps it was about to rise. Here
in the northeast of Australia, where I lived, the nights
are generally quite clear. I descended the outside stairs and
headed towards the pandanus. What's a pandanus, I don't know.
Usually at this time of night we would have a
veritable concert from the frogs and crickets. Those churring sounds

(02:23:14):
filled the night. Now, however, there was a heavy silence,
and I wondered why I had only walked a few steps,
when quite suddenly the color of the philodendrons changed. The wall,
the house too, and the pandemus all were bathed in
some kind of bluish light. The lawns seemed to undulate
beneath my feet, and the ground beneath the pandanus waved also.

(02:23:38):
The philodendrons distorted it, and the wall of the house
resembled a sheet floating in the wind. During one of
his public lectures, the author used the words heat haze.
But beginning to believe I was not well, I decided
to turn to the house, when at that precise moment,
I felt myself lifted quite gently off the ground. I

(02:23:58):
rose slowly, at first above the philodendrons, and then quicker,
until I saw the house becoming smaller, smaller and smaller
below me. What is happening, I explained, in utter bewilderment.
All is well, now, Michelle, I think that's Michelle, not Michael, right,

(02:24:19):
micgl would be Michelle. By then I believed I was dreaming.
Before me, a human being of impressive size, dressed in
a one piece suit and wearing a completely transparent helmet
on her head, was looking at me, friendly and smiling. No,
you are not dreaming, she said, answering the question in
my mind. Yes, I replied, but it always happens this

(02:24:42):
way in a dream, and in the end you find
you've fallen out of bed and have a lump on
your forehead. She smiled. Further, I continued, you are speaking
to me in French, in my native tongue. Yeah, that
guy's name's probably Michelle. If he's French, and yet we
are in Australia. I do speak English, so do I.
It has to be a dream, one of those stupid dreams. Moreover,

(02:25:06):
if not, though, what are you doing on my property?
We are not on your property but above it. Ah,
it is a nightmare. You see. I was right. I'll
pinch myself. I accompanied the words with the action ouch.
She smiled again. Now you are satisfied, Michelle. But if
it's not a dream, why am I sitting on this rock?
Who are those people over there? Dressed in the fashion

(02:25:28):
of the last century. I was beginning to distinguish in
the milky light, people talking and at a slight distance,
others moving around and you? Who are you? Why aren't
you normal sized? I am a normal sized Michelle. On
my planet, we are all the size. But everything in
good time, my dear friend, I hope you don't mind

(02:25:49):
me calling you that. If we aren't good friends already,
I'm sure we will be soon. She stood there in
front of me, intelligence reflected in her smiling face, and
goodness from an entire being. It would not be possible
to meet anyone with whom I could feel more at ease.
Of course, you may call me what you wish, and

(02:26:09):
what is your name? My name is Thou. But first
I would like you to know once and for all
that this is not a dream. Indeed, it is something
quite different for certain reasons which will be explained to
you later. You have been chosen to undertake a journey
which very few Earthlings have made, particularly in recent times.
We are you and I at this moment in a

(02:26:31):
universe which is parallel to that of the Earth. In
order to admit you as well as ourselves, we have
made use of an airlock. At this instant. Time has
stopped for you, and you can remain here for twenty
or fifty of your earthly years and then return as
if you hadn't left. Your physical body would remain absolutely unchanged.

(02:26:52):
But what are these people doing? They exist as well
as could be expected, and you will learn later the
population density is very low. Death only occurs by suicide
or accident. Time is suspended. There are men and women,
as well as some animals who are thirty thousand, fifty thousand,

(02:27:12):
or even many more Earth years old. That part doesn't
make sense. There are men as well as women. They're
supposed to be hermaphroditic. So they're neither men nor women.
That's a plot hole. But what but why are they
here now? And why do you come to be here?

(02:27:33):
Where were they born on Earth? They are all here
by accident, by accident. What do you mean? It's very simple.
Have you heard of the Bumuda triangle? I nodded, well,
quite simply. In this spot and in others less known,
This parallel universe becomes confused with your universe, So there
exists between them. In natural warp, people, animals, or even objects. Okay,

(02:27:56):
so those were earthlinks she was calling men or women.
That makes sense, no plot hole. Them or even objects
finding themselves in the immediate vicinity of a warp are
literally sucked into it. Thus you can have, for example,
an entire fleet of boats disappear in several seconds. Sometimes
a person or persons can pass back into your universe

(02:28:18):
after several hours, several days, or several years. More often, however,
they never return. When a man does return and relates
his experience, the vast majority of people don't believe him,
and if he persists, he is assumed crazy. Most of
the time, such a person recounts nothing at all. Realizing
how they will appear in the eyes of his peers.

(02:28:39):
Sometimes two he returns amnesiac, and if he recovers some memory,
it is not of what happened in the parallel universe,
and therefore sheds no light on the subject. There was
Thou continues a typical case of this passage into a
parallel universe in North America, where a young man literally
vanished while going to fetch water from a well which

(02:29:01):
was situated several hundred meters from his house. About an
hour later, family and friends set out to search for him,
and there had been a fresh snowfall of about twenty centimeters.
It should have been quite simple. They had only to
follow the footprints left by the young man. But right
in the middle of the field, the footprints stopped. There
were no trees around, no rocks on which he could

(02:29:23):
have jumped, nothing strange or unusual. The footprints just stopped.
Some people believed that he had been taken by a spacecraft,
but that could not have been and you will see
later this poor man had quite simply been sucked into
the parallel universe. I remember, I said, I did hear
of that particular case, But how do you know all
about it? You will find out later how I know,

(02:29:46):
she replied enigmatically. We were interrupted by the sudden appearance
of a group of people so bizarre that again I
wondered if this was all a dream. About a dozen
men accompanied by what seemed to be a woman, emerging
from behind in a pile of rocks one hundred meters
from where we were. The light was even stranger, since
these human beings appeared to have stepped out of the

(02:30:07):
pages of prehistoric records with gate of gorillas. They brandished
enormous clubs which modern man would not have been able
to lift from the ground. These hideous creatures were coming
straight for us, howling like wild beasts. I made a
move to retreat, but my companion told me there was
nothing to fear and that I should stay still. She

(02:30:29):
put her hand on the buckle of her belt and
turned so that she faced them. I heard a series
of small clicks, and five of the strongest looking men
fell to the ground motionless. Oh shit, the alien fucked
up the eight men. This is getting good. The rest
of the group stopped cleanly and began moaning. They prostrated

(02:30:50):
themselves before us. I looked again at Thal. She stood
like a statue, her face set, her eyes were fixed
on those people, as though she was trying to hypnotize them.
I later learned that she was giving orders by telepathy
to the female of the group. Suddenly, this woman got
up and began, it seemed to me, to issue orders
in a guttural voice to the others. Then they helped

(02:31:12):
remove the bodies, carrying them on their backs to the
pile of rocks mentioned earlier. What are they doing, I asked,
They will cover their dead with stones. Did you kill them?
I had to Oh, shit, the alien bits killed the
epe men. What do you mean we were really in danger?
Of course we were. These are people who have been

(02:31:33):
here for ten or fifteen thousand years. Who knows? We
don't have time to establish that, And besides, it is
of no important importance. Nevertheless, this is a problem for me.
You're so spiritually advanced, but it just massacred a bunch
of epe men. Don't you care about murdering people? I
don't know. Nevertheless, it illustrates well what I was explaining

(02:31:56):
to you a few moments ago. These people passed into
this universe at a certain time, and they have lived
in that time ever since. It's frightful. I agree. However,
it is a part of natural it should have been
a part of nature, and therefore universe or part of
natural and therefore universal law. Furthermore, they are dangerous because

(02:32:16):
they behave like wild beasts, more like wild beasts than
human beings. Dialogue would not have been possible between them
and us, just that it's not possible between them and
most of the others living in this parallel universe. For
one thing, they are unable to communicate, and for another,
they less than anyone understand what has happened to them.
We were in real danger, and if I do say so,

(02:32:38):
I have done them the favor just now liberating them.
Liberating don't look so shocked, Michelle. You know quite well
what I mean by that. They are liberated from their
physical bodies and now able to continue their cycle like
every living being, according to the normal process. So, if
I understand correctly, this parallel universe has a curse, a

(02:32:59):
kind of hell. Or I didn't realize you were religious.
I just had to make this comparison to show you
that I'm trying to understand, I replied, wondering how she
could know whether or not I was religious. I know, Michelle,
I was only teasing. You were right in explaining it
as a kind of purgatory, But of course this is

(02:33:20):
quite accidental. In fact, this is one of the several
accidents of nature. And albino is an accident, and is
a four leaf clover also be considered as an accident.
Your appendix is just as much an accident. Your doctors
still wonder what could possibly, what use could possibly have
in your body? The answer, no use whatsoever. Now, usually

(02:33:43):
in nature, everything has a precise reason for existing. That's
why I list the appendix among the natural accidents. People
living in this universe suffer neither physically or morally. For example,
if I hit you, you would feel no pain, But
if the bloe were strong enough, although without pain, you
would still die from them. This doesn't make sense, But okay,

(02:34:06):
this might be difficult to comprehend, but it is so.
Those existing here know nothing of what I have just
explained to you, And it is fortunate because they would
be tempted to commit suicide, which even here is not
a solution. What do they eat? They do not eat,
nor do they drink, because they don't feel the need to. Here, remember,
time has stopped those dead won't even rot. But that's terrible.

(02:34:31):
In all the greatest service that is one can render
to these people would be to kill them. You raise
an important point there. Effectively, it would be one of
two solutions. What is the other? To send them back
where they came from. But that would pose great problems.
Because we're able to make use of the warp, we
could return many of them to your universe and thus

(02:34:52):
liberate them. But I'm not sure you're aware of the
enormous problems that would create for the majority of these
people here. As I have already said, you have people
who have been here for thousands of years. What would
happen if they found themselves back in the universe they
left so long ago? They might go insane and all
there is nothing to do. She smiled gently at my affirmation.

(02:35:14):
You are certainly the man of action we require, Michelle,
But beware of jumping to conclusions. You have much more
to see. It's a little thick, if you ask me,
it's get a little thick. It's getting a little thick
in here. Uh yeah, The appendix serves many important physiological functions,

(02:35:36):
all knowing alien has outdated information, you are probably correct, right,
they are chicken nuggies, and I slaughtered them like chicken nuggies. Yes,
not just the men, but the women and children too. Yeah,
there's a pretty problem. Like, Oh, I'm so spiritually advanced.
I'm just gonna kill these eight men, right, it's gonna

(02:35:57):
kill them, Just kill those ape men. Well, friends, we've
done a little bit of overtime. We hit our goal tonight,
I have. Yeah, so we've done our due diligence. I
am still going to bounce on out of here. Let
me know, would you guys like me to read that
whole book and put it up on the channel. I

(02:36:17):
will ask Samuel Chong if that would be permissible, and
I believe that he still has some sway about the
copyright situation or whatever. Alloway as Samuel Chong, if I'm
allowed to read the whole book like narrate the whole
book like an audiobook, And if Samuel Chong says it's okay,

(02:36:40):
I will do that and put it on the channel.
Would you be interested in that? Yes in all caps,
if you'd be interested in that. No, in all caps,
if you wouldn't be interested in that? Save me. The
trouble is it just me? Or is it getting pretty
thick in here. That is correct. Spooky says, thank you
for hitting the gold chat. We love you exactly. Garazi says,

(02:37:02):
great show. Yes, it has been a great show. So
we've done our due diligence. I made it through an
interview without calling this guy a total fucking wackado and
screaming at him. Right, I'm proud of myself. We're expanding
our horizons. I don't mind talking to people, you know who.
I would like to talk to more people that claim
they got abducted by aliens. That's an interesting topic to me.

(02:37:25):
Tell me your story. I would certainly do that. So
we'll see if we can't find some more true believer guests.
We must have balance, Daniel Son, Right, I was just
watching Karate Kid with my son. First, you must learn ballance.
You know. Sometimes we're way too skeptical. We've got to
build some more bridges, add a little balance wide in

(02:37:48):
the tent so that some of the true believers still
come here for some of the shows and don't think
I'm such an asshole. Right, No, Spooky nose. They'll always
think I'm an asshole. But uh ha, but I am
an asshole. That's been right about most of my coverage,
so that's got to account for something I would think, right.
I will take one more moment to check out with

(02:38:09):
the kick live chat. If we have any support to
call out there, I will call it out. No, only
chill Station seven. Only Chill Station seven cared enough to
send the Sun today right storyline? Lay on your head
on your desk. What I don't know. Thank you, Maria
cc I appreciate that, and thanks for getting us over

(02:38:30):
the goal. We are expanding our horizons over here, says Raygunter.
That is correct. Yes, well, we want to thank you
all for the kindness, generosity and support of the show.
Big big support. Three goals in a row. Fuck you,
DSP and I didn't beg once I just mentioned it.
That's all we do. So we've done our due diligence,

(02:38:51):
and that's all I got for your friends. Let me
know in the comments or in the live chat. Do
you want me to narrate the whole book. It's only
one hundred and eighty pages, so I think I could
get through it at a pretty good clip. Let me
know if you would like me to read the book
and put it up on our channel so that you
don't have to actually read it. You could just listen
to me read it to you, kind of like a

(02:39:12):
bedtime story, right, what do you think of that? If
you want to see that? Put yes in all capital
letters if you don't want it. But yeah, it looks
like a lot of yes is. I don't see any knows,
so I will talk to Samuel Toung and see if
it'd be okay for me to do that. So yeah,

(02:39:32):
So that's all I got for your friends. I'm not
sure when I'll be back. Following me on Twitter at
Stephen Cambian and join our discord. Somebody will kindly give
you the link to joining the discord. We always post
our shows on Twitter and the Discord before they happen,
so you'll know when the next one is as soon
as I know, you know, Like if I know on

(02:39:53):
Thursday tomorrow night, I'm going to do the kick Show
on Friday, I will tweet it out and we'll do that.
So that's all I got for your friends until next time.
My name is Stephen Cambia. Good night, and God bless
all of you.

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