Episode 33: Supernatural Episodes of Western TV Shows with Dan Budnik

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to Tumbleweeds and TV Cowboys, a classic Western
film and TV podcast. My name is Hunter, and this
week's episode, Dan Budnick returns and we're taking a break
from gun Smoke for the month of October to discuss
a few episodes of Western TV shows that dip their
toe lightly into the horror genre. First ep is an
episode of Bonanza called Twilighttown, and then we talk about
an episode of wagon Train called Little Girl Lost. And

(00:37):
we're wrapping up with a discussion on the Wild Wild
West episode called The Night of the Man Eating House.
So it'll be something a little different. This month will
feature discussions on Western TV shows and a movie with
horror elements. But in November we'll be returning to traditional
classic westerns, including one movie celebrating at seventy fifth anniversary
this year that I know everyone will be looking forward to. Well,

(00:58):
let's get into it. Here's our conversation on supernatural episodes
of Western TV shows. Welcome back, Dan, how's it going good?

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Good? How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm doing pretty well and as always it's great to
have you back on the show. Thank you there, and
can you tell us about what you've been up to.
Do you have any new Blu Ray features you can announce,
or any new writing projects.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
What I said the last time, As always, I'll just
mention together. My latest books are out. When I say
read read one Fellow's Journey through Doctor Who. You get
them on Amazon, ebook or paperback. Volume one is nineteen
sixty three to nineteen seventy nine. To those of you
know Doctor Who, it's an Unearthly Child through the Armageddon Factor.

(01:39):
And volume two is seventy nine through twenty twenty five,
and it's Destiny of the Dialects episode one through the
Reality War, which aired just a few months ago. And
there's that, And I'm trying to think if I feel
like the most recent thing I think that was announced
was in the Dan Curtis Ghosts Telefilms box set that's

(02:03):
coming out. Myself and Rob Kelly have a have a
or doing a commentary on the late night TV movie
Come Die with Me with Eileen Brennan and a guy
who I forget, but it's it's it's it's it's gotta chart.
But that was the most recent one. We've got something else,
which I thought they announced yesterday, but I misread an announcement,

(02:24):
so I can't I can't say it. Yeah, but we
got I got a couple more things on the way.
I'll just say one word, one word in description of
one of them ninjas, but that's all I'm gonna say.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
It sounds good. Yeah, Now, there have been several Dan
Curtis announcements, and each time I see one announced, I'm
I'm I'm hoping that you're going to be included on
the special features. But I think I think they've only
announced the features for one of the Dan Curtis releases.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
So yes, yeah, they like the monsters one I'm I'm
not on at least not that I know of. But
there's like there's one that's coming. It's I don't know
if it's called Ghosts. I forget what it is. It's
got a great sort of image of a woman like
with a crazy face or something on it. It's like
it's like a four or five of the Late night
I'm blanking on what they were called now, but they

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were the late night movies that they used to show
like after the news. They would show like a ninety
minute movie in the seventies, and a lot of we're
shot on video and as as this one is and okay, gotcha,
And they're a lot like sort of in the realm
of like the British show Thriller like Brian Clemens, which
is a show that's a lot of fun. But but yeah,

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I forget the name of the set, but you you
if you go look it up. Did Dan Curtis come
die with me? I think it's Ken o' larber. Yeah,
I think, yeah, okay, so yeah, check check it out, check.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
It out and and everywhere you can follow Dan and
pick up his books are linked in the show notes,
so go give him a follow and check out eventually
Supertrain as well.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Oh yes please, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're covering we're currently
doing still still doing I think the things from last
time we're doing. Bronc the mid seventies, a cop show
starring Jack Plans created by Archie Bunker Garrison's Gorillas with
Mitchell Hadley from nineteen sixty eight, sort of a spin
off of Combat Night, Quite dirty does a meets Mission Impossible,
and then from about Pardon Me eight years ago, myself

(04:14):
and my friend Amy the Conquer are covering Ghosted with
Craig Robinson and Adam Scott.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Excellent. Now Mitchell Hadley is actually going to be on
my podcast. He's a couple of weeks after this comes out.
He's got a yes. And you know what's funny is
he had a contest where the winner would receive his
new book, and I won.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
You did congrations. Oh that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, it's pretty cool. So I should be receiving that
probably in the next week or so.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Actually, so that's awesome. I actually asked him if he
would since we're good friends. I said, hey, is anywhere
you get a free copy? And he said you have to?
He said no, And the only way he would send
me a copy to sign I had to buy two
copies online and send him copies of the receipts. And
he said, okay, now I'll sign a copy for you,

(05:04):
and he lied. He said, buy one more and then
eat it on camera. And so I had to eat
a boiled copy of his book on camera before he'd
signed one for me. Wow, he's crazy.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
He's pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
No, No, that's that's a I keep telling him. I
always buy two copies of his books, one for reading,
one for eating, because then you absorb it into your bloodstream.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh, absolutely so everybody does that.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, exactly precisely. So, Yeah, Mitchell's a good guy in
the new book. Is it Darkness in prime Time? I
want to say it's the top of it. Yes, very good.
But I actually started reading it a few days ago
and it's nice. It's very good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah. Now, Dan, at the time of this recording, we
are getting closer and closer to October, and I know
you're a big horror movie fan and I am as well.
So before we get into our main discussion, I was
wondering if if you have any horror movies that you
like rewatch in October or on Halloween specifically, or do
you try to have like more first time watches. What
do you do.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Usually? Uh? Usually I I I generally end up watching either. Uh,
it's like throughout the month, I'll try to watch newer stuff.
But where right when you get to Halloween, I usually
do like when we got kids come to the Door,
I'll usually play the Bowery Boys Meet the Monsters or

(06:21):
ab In Costello Meet Frankenstein, which are which are just
fun to have playing if kids are at the door
kind of thing. If I don't want the kids at
the door, I'll put on a Herschel Gordon Lewis movie
like The Wizard of Gore, the Gore Gore Girls, or
one of the French extreme films from a few years
ago that get that's get the kids who go Away,
like Martyrs or in Kiddy. I don't do that, but

(06:41):
but usually i'll do I'll do one of the first
three Halloweens, the originals. The past five or six years,
it's generally been Halloween three, because I think I kind
of wore myself out with the first two. But it's
generally Halloween three, like I said, Bowery Boys, abn Costello.
And usually I'll throw on something out that's Halloween adjacent,

(07:01):
like Knight of the Demons or The Lantern, just something
that's in the vicinity of Halloween. And but throughout the
month I do try to watch like like, hey, here
here's a confession. Last year I watched I'd never seen
a child's play movie before. Last year I watched my
first child's play movie right before Halloween. Nice watch the

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first one, and now this year I'll probably do the second.
So but yes, it's it's And also I have lots
of like Halloween specials, like not like your Garfield, Your
Your Great Pumpkin I have when there's a raggedy Ann
and Andy want about a pumpkin that wouldn't smile. There's
a show from the late seventies with jud Hirsh and

(07:46):
Marriott Hartley where they play a witch in a vampire
and the witch is trying to take away Halloween, so
the monsters have to save it. I'll watch like Monster
Squad or Groovy Goolies or oh oh geez. I also
always watch Mad Monster Party.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I forgot oh okay, Yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Usually I keep it apart from maybe the Halloween movie,
I usually keep it pretty light and silly right around Halloween.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I'm with you, like on Halloween. I actually try to
watch Avancostela Meet Frankenstein on Halloween, and that's to kind
of become a tradition over the years. But another one
I do tend to watch is Scream. I rewatched that
most Octobers and then either The Beyond or City of
the Living Dead.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Do you have a preference.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's maybe City of the Living Dead?

Speaker 1 (08:36):
You know what me too. I was going to say
it's so weird because I've been rewatching Full Chiese I did.
Was it Warriors of the Year twenty seventy two or whatever. Yeah,
just two nights ago. And it's funny, like, I do
love The Beyond. I can see why people kind of
considered it to be his masterpiece. But there's something, there's something,

(09:00):
I mean, like the Beyond, I feel like there's an
ex We're not gonna go into it here, but I
feel like there's an explanation. It does not a not
a really strong one, but I feel like I know
what's going on in the beyond where the city. I
kind of get to the end and I'm like, I
don't know what just happened. But I loved it, and
I wrote a big paper about it in college, which

(09:21):
I was I was able to get around any of
the weaknesses in my paper by just showing the class
scenes from the movie. So said, watch this scene with
the maggots, or check this out, check out that drill,
you know, and and then like and people forget all
about what you're talking about when they've just seen like
people get showered in maggots or a woman you know,
you know, puke up or guts kind of thing. They're
just like even the professor, who was very storic, was like,

(09:43):
what the hell was that, you know, and we had
a so it's it's it's fun. Yeah, but I yeah,
I like I like that, Yes, throwing a good fulcie
or something. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah. And then another one that I've been a more
recent movie that I find myself returning to in October,
is it follows I follows. Yeah, yeah, that is very good. Yeah, yeah,
Well we should get into the main discussion.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
We do have our three episodes.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
We have three episodes of TV to talk about, and
we're starting with an episode of Bonanza called Twilight Town.
And this aired on October thirteenth and nineteen sixty three,
and it's the fourth episode from the fifth season, and
it was directed by John Floria. I think Floria is right,
but he directed twelve episodes of Bonanza in total, and

(10:30):
he also directed five episodes of The Virginian, which you know, Dan,
we will get to on our eventually. The Virginian.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
I don't think there's yeah, exact, I don't think there's
a scary Virginia that I can think of. Maybe maybe,
you know.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
There is one episode from the first season that is
kind of eerie. I can't remember specifically which one it is,
but I wouldn't say it's leaning into the horror genre.
I think there's any ghosts or any hauntings or cobwebs
or graveyard all, which is a bummer. That would be

(11:08):
the episode, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, that would have been great. No Halloween episode, no
Christmas episode, Come on virgin I don't remember a Christmas
episode though, but come on Virginia.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah. Oh well, but uh yeah. And then this episode
was written by cy Shermack And this is the only
episode of Bonanza that he's credited on.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
And he wrote a few episodes of The Virginian actually
as well. And he was one of the producers on
Colchak The Nightstalker, which is a tremendous show. And what
I know you covered on eventually Super.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Tri right, Yes, it's the great tim s Turner and
myself cover that. Yeah, good times. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Oh, it's a great fun show.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Fun show. You gotta start, start with the two movies,
then do the twenty episodes. It's super fun.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, the movies are awesome. And I know we mentioned
Bonanza during our History of Western TV episode, which was
very early on in the podcast. It was a second episode.
But I don't recall what your history is with the show.
Have you seen many episodes of Bonanza when.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
I was a kid. I did, because it was when
I was a kid I did. It was it was
during the summers, I want to say, it was. It
was like after the morning TV and you get like,
like I love Lucy, and then some other sitcom like
say like nine to ten or ten to eleven, like

(12:29):
I love Lucy, and say like, I know, summertime, like
Gidget or something, and then from like ten to eleven
or eleven or twelve, you get like they show Bonanza.
Bonanza would always show up like right before the soap
opera started on some station or other. So quite often
when I was a kid, and I would just be,
you know, just just sitting in the living room with

(12:51):
my mom writing or scribbling something or doing something, Bananza
would come out. And I didn't like as much as
Lucy or Gidget, but I do remember watching quite a
few episodes and always always always sort of getting into
what I was watching. But then I was a little kid.
So as an adult, my wife and I have a

(13:11):
good friend of ours who is a huge Bonanza fan
and she's part of like a Bonanza fan club, and
they haven't done this refuse, but they usually do like
a yearly Bonanza convention where they all get together. They'd
all meet up and they sit around and talk about
Bonanza and show episodes and things like that, and we
have had like a few years ago, we had a

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night where she came over and we just showed all night.
We showed Bonanza at Virginian episodes. So that was fun.
So I do know, I do know the guys, the Cartwrights.
I'm very familiar with them, but I haven't watched as
much of them as an adult as I have the
Virginian or as I had when I was a child.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, I've seen a handful of episodes. I can't say
I have like much history with the series. I don't
think it's one that my grandparents were really into, but
I do know it's the second longest running Western series,
and like gun Smoke, which is the you know, the
longest running series. It also has some made for TV movie, Yeah,

(14:11):
made for TV movies that were made years after the
show went off the air. And yeah, there were three
made for TV movies and a series from two thousand
and one called Ponderosa, which I don't remember or like
have maybe never heard of but well, yeah it ran
for one season. They are only twenty episodes total, and yeah,

(14:32):
I just I don't remember ever existing. Wow, but Dan,
let's let's get into into this episode. Can you give
us a plot synopsis?

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Oh? Sure? Yeah? And this one. So we got a
little little Joe who's Michael Landon. It's his birthday. He's
riding back through the desert back to the card Roid
range the Ponderosa to they're getting ready to celebrate his birthday,
and he's got like, I want to say, he's about
two thousand dollars in cash, which this is what eighteen
seventy eighteen eighty, that's a lot of money. And he's right,

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and he gets he gets sort of sort of. He
sees a guy in trouble on the ground. He goes
to help him, and the guy turns out to be
a jerk and takes his money. He takes his horse,
beats him up, leaves him in the desert, and as
his family is waiting for him to return, little Joe
stumbles into this weird uh it's a ghost town and
he passes out, and when he wakes up some time later,

(15:26):
the town is actually populated. It's called Martinville, and there
are a bunch of people there are taking care of him,
including a lovely young lady, and he wants to leave.
But see, it's a tricky episode because I don't want
to I want to go to a depth into the
synopsis here. But it's a bit of a weird town
because first off, as little Joe saw, it was a

(15:49):
ghost town, but now it's filled with people, and they
all say they were at a funeral, and the young
woman who he's kind of fallen for is it wants
him to stay in. These two sort of elder Jim
and one of who was the young woman's dad, wants
wants him to stay, and they're a little vague about
what's going on or why they want him to stay.
He wants to get back to town. He wants to
find the guy who stole the money, and he wants

(16:10):
to leave, and these guys keep talking about something that
they want him to do. And there's this weird old
woman who keeps showing up and staring at him through
windows and being cryptic talking about stuff. And we learned
that the previous sheriff of the town had just been killed.
Presumably that was the funeral they were at and after
a time they basically say what he wants to leave,
that they want him to be the sheriff, and they

(16:32):
tell him the story about some outlaws who have taken
over the town and that they need Little Joe to
help him to help them stop the outlaws. But the
poor tends from the slightly crazy lady who's kind of
running around seem to imply that maybe they just want

(16:53):
to sort of sacrifice Little Joe for something or other,
and things get weirder as they go, and I'll stop
right there.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
All right, Well, Dan, what do you think of this episode?

Speaker 1 (17:02):
I enjoyed it. It's mostly a Little Joe episode. The Yes,
I'm Lauren Green and the brothers just basically spend their
whole time, uh looking for him, and and funnily enough,
they do they do that thing they're they're sort of
like they're sort of like like like cops and horror
movies or some action movies where you don't you don't

(17:23):
see the cops the whole time, or you occasionally see
them throughout the movie and then they show up once
the killer is killed or once everything is done, suddenly
the cops show up. It almost got Q like, right,
when everything has done, the guys show up, but it
is nice to see them. The first of you get
this this opening, rather harrowing scene with Little Joe in
the desert. I'm not a desert guy. I'm a forest guy.

(17:46):
I'm a snow guy. I'm a colder. I'm not the deert.
The desert that's where cannibals live. You don't go out there.
You don't go to the desert. And but that opening
scene is rather harrowing with Little Joe out there, and
when he looks across the desert is already you could
already already tell like like when the guy takes his
horse that he's like he probably should have had a
little sip of water before he went to help the guy,

(18:08):
kind of thing. He's already fading. But then it cuts
to like a shot with hass and Lord Green. Who
why am I forgetting Lorden Green's characters name. I'm just
gonna ca him LORDE. Green. Dad.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
They're in the foreground and in the background is the
house and it has a big happy birthday Little Joe
kind of things spread out, And it's so funny because
the cut from the sort of harrowing nature of Little
Joe in the desert, possibly about to die to these
two guys standing in the foreground of what's clearly now
a studio. I kept expecting to hear a laugh track

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whenever they spoke, because they're sort of acting it right,
like they're facing the camera and they're just like they're
not facing the house that they just decorated. They're facing
where are they facing, Like like they step out of
the house that they decorated, and they just they're facing
away from the I mean, it doesn't it doesn't make sense, right.
I mean if you were to like if you you know,

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if if someone brought you a cake set on the
table before you and you turned away from the cake
and just proclaimed how great the cake was and everything
like that, people would be like, are you gonna look
at the cake? Are you gonna you know, something like that.
But it's kind of kind of and then luckily Prenell
Roberts shows up a little bit later and he he
kind of brings a little bit of gravitazed to their
standing around. But uh, but but I will say, I

(19:28):
mean the scene where it's the next morning and uh,
little Joe still doesn't come back. It's the next one no,
it's after the party. I'm sorry. So it's like the
middle of the night. People had a great time at
the party. Was the birthday boy there? No, no, but
no one seemed to really care. But there there is
a lovely scene with where where Dad just doesn't want

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to where he's like, he'll be back in the morning.
He keeps coming up with excuses and uh and hass
Is just like, yep, yep, he'll be back, He'll be back,
And then Prenel roberts up with the horses for them,
and Dad's like, okay, I'll get some things out here,
I go, I'll join you kind of thing, and there's
just a really lovely scene where you know he's going
to they're gonna go look for little Joe in the

(20:11):
middle of the night, and he's trying to he's trying
to say he's a he's a man, and but hosses
not and go yep, yep, but you can tell. And
that's a lovely scene. And the scenes in the town
are great because there's this there's this feeling of unease
throughout sort of not not quite an uncanny feeling, but
just sort of a general feeling of like what exactly

(20:31):
is happening, yeah here, And you don't learn really until
at the end. And I won't say what's going on,
but you sit there the whole time going are so
were these people at the I mean, here's the thing.
If they're in the middle of the desert and they're
in a town and they've been away for like a day.
In the funeral, I could see tumble weeds blowing in
and all kinds of crap. I mean, that's it's a

(20:52):
desert that just happened. Literally literally he steps out of
the desert into the town kind of thing. So I
could see that. You know, there's you gotta do some
upkeep if you're going to be on the edge of
the desert like that. And so that's almost convincing. But
then there's just so much weirdness, and you know, like
like one of the guys, this older guys, is trying
to be nice about well, we'll convinced it to stay there,

(21:13):
like we have to make them stay. And it goes
back and forth, and then the daughter's put putting the
smooth on little Joe and you know he's enjoying it,
you know, why not. And then that lady keeps showing
up who's that crazy lady just looking at me in
the window? Oh, that's that's missus Nuttberger. Her her husband
was the sheriff or whatever, and and there's sort of
a lovely and then you gradually learn why they're acting

(21:35):
so weird, and then it builds on that, and then
it kind of builds and builds, and the outlaws show
up and there's some tense stuff going on, and then
there's it. Like I said, the whole episode has a
real sort of uneasy kind of feeling because even when
you sort of think like, Okay, I sort of know
where this is going and maybe in the engine do
I mean, it's not like it's it's not you know,

(21:57):
it's it's not. It's not a crazy twist at the end,
go oh my gosh, but it it It kind of
leads you on to you like, I don't even when
I feel like I know what's happening, I don't quite
know what's going on. And so there's a sense like
with Little Joe, where he's like he wants to help,
but boy, he'd loved if someone just gave him a
straight answer and told him what was going on. Yeah,

(22:19):
but no one quite will, and that leads to this
weird I just I keep using the word uneasy. It's
not not quite I mean, in the end, it's kind
of eerie too, but it's just kind of this uneasy
kind of feeling of like what is happening in this?
And I think it keeps that feeling strong right up

(22:39):
to the end when you're given sort of an explanation
for what's going on and and you get you get
a lovely moment at the end where it may or
may not have happened. But Dad basically says, you know what,
if if you believe it in your heart, if you
believe it to be true, then you don't have to
talk about it. You don't have to tell anyone or
try to convince anyone you know it. And which is

(23:02):
really lovely, some really lovely uh, some lovely dialogue in here,
and some wonderful moments. So overall, I mean, it's not
it's not the fastest pace episode. I will say that
you can kind of feel the fifty minutes of it.
But at the same time, there was just enough huh
in it to keep me going to the end. And

(23:23):
I don't I feel like, yeah, this would in no way,
shape or form would this be an episode of Bonanza
that you'd start someone on, because it's it's a little
too slow, and it's a little too building, calmly, calmly, building, building,
until the frenzy of the end where they're tear they
have this barricade, they're tearing it apart, and there they're
gonna go after the outlaws and they're gonna come after them,
and that kind of thing that builds to that moment

(23:43):
and like it's justified you get there. It works, but
it for someone used to modern day pacing, this one
might be a bit slow, but if you can get
into the groove. Michael Anders of course always charming if
you can get into the groove. I actually don't know
if it's a good episode of Bonanza or not, because
I haven't seen enough of them. But I think if

(24:04):
you if you're looking for like sort of like I
said in Eerie Western episode, this one isn't scary, but
it's just almost twilight zone. It's more twilight zone where
you're like, what is happening and why? And I think maybe,
you know, maybe it could have been a little shorter,
but it couldn't have been a little shorter, because that's
the length of the episodes, but overall, I give it

(24:26):
a thumbs up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
I thought it was pretty entertaining. I I mean, you
see the title and you know right away it's, you know,
inspired by the Twilight Zone. Yeah, and I think and
I think.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Which is great, right, which is yeah cool?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah, And I think they did a pretty
good job of creating something kind of in the vein
of the Twilight Zone. And I thought Michael Landon was
really good in the episode. And the other members of
the Cartwright family like like you said, I mean, they
they aren't in this episode a whole lot. So Michael
Landon really just carries it and I think he does
a good job. And I did thinking. I thought it

(25:00):
unfolded like pretty nicely. I do agree that the episode's
a little slow, but I kind of I did kind
of like the transitions going from like little Joe like
looking out in the distance and not seeing anything, and
then all of a sudden, it's a ghost town, and
then he makes it well, he sees like the town,
and then he makes it to the town and kind
of wakes up I guess again and sees it that

(25:24):
it is a ghost town, and then moments later, he's
surrounded by people you know in the same town, and
I thought that that kind of unfolded pretty well. And
there are some recognizable actors in this, like some of
some of the supporting roles, like Walter coy is in it,
and he played Aaron Edwards in The Searchers. Who is
Ethan you know, John Wayne's brother in the movie, so

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people will definitely know him from that. And Stacy Harris,
everyone will know him from something. He's in a ton
of a ton of shows and movies. But the main
supporting role is played by someone who I'm completely unfamiliar with,
Davy Davison.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, she looks so familiar.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, I don't recognize her from anything, but yeah, she
plays kind of the person that little Joe falls for,
and I think she's decent in the role. Now, the
one character that you've kind of hinted at that I
think is actually one of the standout characters is played
by Doris Dowling, and she plays Katie. Now, I think
in the episode they're saying Obrien, Are they saying Obrien

(26:27):
or O'Brien? It sounds like Obrien.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I thought it was Obrien too. Yeah, yeah, I wrote
down like ob r e o n okay so Obrien almost.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, Yeah, I thought I thought she was pretty good.
And she basically plays like the most stereotypical horror character
in the episode. Yeah, she's like warning little Joe that
things aren't going to turn out well for him. She's
basically Ralph from Friday the Thirteen.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yes, And part of the fun with her character too,
is is there a moments in it where you think,
why do the townspeople put up with this? Yeah? You know,
she's just staring in the window at the sick guy.
Why would you allow that? You know? Is that doctor's orders.
We're gonna have to let You're gonna have to remain
in bed for the next two days. We want to
have this creepy woman who's not quite Avonda Carlo ster

(27:14):
at you from the window every once in a while.
It's part of the treatment, Yeah, part of the treatment.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah. And I do I recognize her from a couple
of things. I know she's in The Blue Dahlia, which
is a great noir with Alan Ladd and Veronica Lake.
And she's also in an episode of One Step Beyond,
which I think might have come out the same year
as the Twilight Zone and it's very kind of similar,
and I've seen a handful of episodes of that. But

(27:41):
that's the show I think is pretty good. Now, I
think we should talk about the end. I know, I
think that I agree that I think you can you
can see you can see it coming. But I will
admit although on a first time watch, I had kind
of forgotten about the guy from the opening scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(28:03):
And so I do think it's pretty satisfying when it
circles back to that character.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I like the concept of I just got you off,
but what were you saying though you were in an
umb Oh.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
No, no, you know you can cut me off any.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Time and interrupted enum not. I just I think the
thing I like about the guy showing up at the
end is there's because the intimation is that there's a curse.
It's sort of it's I was going to say. This
is basically the same year as Ah she Lewis's two
Thousand Maniacs, which is based on Brigadoon about a town

(28:40):
full of about an empty town where like once every
fifty years, one hundred years, twenty years, ten years, five years,
something like that. Like all the ghosts of these Confederates
show up and mistreat Northerners, and so this guy kind
of had the feeling of that, like it was almost
a Brigadoon for Bonanza kind of thing where when a

(29:01):
person wanders into the town, which isn't gonna happen often
given its location, if it's I guess, if it's a guy,
suddenly the town comes to life and there's a curse
on it. And I love the fact that when spoiler,
little little Joe breaks the curse and saves the day
and the end whatever, whoever is in charge of the

(29:23):
curse brings him back the guy and his money and
his horse and everything like that, sort of like here's
your gift, yea for helping, for helping free these people
who can't who can't break this cycle. You you you've
been and I have. We haven't even explained it full
what it is. If you watch the episode, you know
it is. But but it's just like I hopped the
head there, but.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, so but yeah, I and what was I what
was I going to say?

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Actually, you know you're talking about the curse. We were
talking about the d The ending is basically you want
to tell them basically what's going on.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Well, so in the end, so they there is this
fight between this cursed these like cursed townspeople and whoever
the Is there a name for the villains? I didn't
make a note of it.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
I didn't either. The great thing about the villains is
that they do give them names, and they give them
big backstories, but you only see them briefly, and they're
all in darkness. Yes, so so it's almost like you
watch them and think, oh, they're they're meant to be.
That makes them more threatening, yes, And they're they're kind
of ghosts. They're they're like like spirit shades, sort of

(30:31):
like in part of this kind of sous. Yeah, but
I didn't write down their names. Just the jerks. These jerks.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, there's just some jerks and so the uh and
so the last time, uh, this like cursed town had
had somebody come who could potentially be their savior, so
to speak, they they kind of chickened out and decided
not to fight against these people who have been uh tormenting,

(31:00):
I guess. And so this time Little Joe actually convinces
them to attack them because they won't be expecting that,
and so they attack them, and they and they defeat
them that way. I mean, that's pretty much it, right.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yes, Yeah, that's basically it. Yeah, it's the theory being
that this was a town where I think the just
one day's these real this pack of jerks showed up
and they kind of should have sent them running, thrown
them out of the town, but they spend a lot
of money, so they let him in and then they
kept coming back, and then suddenly they realized that these
guys were kind of running the town, and they were
going out doing rotten stuff and then coming back and

(31:38):
basically taking over the town doing whatever they wanted, and
the and the sheriff ended up getting killed, and his wife,
the lady who peers at the windows put a curse
on them that they will forever return until someone brave
enough to make them brave enough to defeat these forces,

(31:59):
even though the forces aren't really there in the end.
That's one of the things I loved about. Like when
they storm the bad guys on this sort of rock
cliff and everything, and they're firing, it's clearly like a
little joe and like half a dozen guys, and a
couple of those guys get shot and follow the ground
and they're shitt with these guys up there, but in
the end, it's just Joe and this guy who stole
his money. That's it. Everything else are ghosts playing off

(32:22):
the the ending of this curse and sort of like
once I think, once they storm out there and start shooting,
I think the town is probably freed from it. Yeah,
and it's really like, the more you think about it's like,
that's it's actually pretty cool. That's really nicely done. Like,
and you go back and watch it a second time
knowing it, you're like, Okay, yeah, they did a really

(32:44):
good and I will say the second time, even though
I knew what was coming, it was still uneasy. I
still felt uneasy watching it. And that's because of that
thing where Joe just can't get a straight answer what
exactly They give him a little bit and you think, oh,
I got it, and then something else will come and
you're like, now, what's that about? And it's just but

(33:05):
that's that's the ending, everybody.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah, but no, Yeah, overall, I enjoyed it. I do.
I do think they probably could have trimmed it a
little bit, but uh, but obviously they were required to
deliver a fifty minute episode. Yeah, that's what they did.
But uh, yeah, I don't really have any other thoughts
on this. You do, you do you have any other notes?

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I'm just I'm just checking my notes. I don't not really.
It's read Martinville. I like that it's called Martinville because
I thought someone was going to say, is that a joke? Martinville? Martinville?
Watch why on Earth did to day? But Martinville? And
I do like the you could you can tell that
there's something where I think from from the moment where

(33:46):
one of the guys is something like, you know, well,
we got to send him, you know, to to face
the bad guys and then get killed. I guess, I mean,
I guess when they send him, when they send whoever
it is, comes into the town and they get killed
by the bad guy, I guess they get to sort
of rest a bit until it happens again. Yeah, that's
sort of the feeling I got. So that's why they

(34:07):
want to send him, because then they don't feel they're
not awake and feeling terrible and guilty like their soul's
rest until the curse is activated again kind of thing.
And you know, something's a little weird when the one
guy says something like, well, we got to send that
Cartwright kid in there to get killed because it's him
against two hundred and sixteen of us. Yeah, that's pretty

(34:29):
specific that you know that, sir. That's very good. Sometimes
I forget how many people are in my house, and
you knew everybody in this town. So so yeah, so
it's yeah, that's all I have to say. It's not
I feel like, yeah, if you're if you've watched a
good smattering of Bonanzas, this would be a good one

(34:52):
to watch a first one. Watch the first episode. I'm
sure that's probably the best place to start. Yeah, but
it's a good like I said, it's a good erie
and it's very much it's in the realm of a
twilight zone for Bonanza, you know, and so I yeah,
i'd say give it a try.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, I think it's worth checking out. But yeah, but
now I think we're gonna move on to Wagon Train.
And this episode is called Little Girl Lost. It's from
the eighth season, and it's the twelfth episode and it
aired on December thirteenth and nineteen sixty four, and it
was directed by Virgil W. Vogel and he worked as

(35:33):
a director and an editor, and he mostly worked in
TV as a director, but he edited a couple pretty
well known movies. Actually, he was the editor of Man
Without a Star, which is the western starr in Kirk Douglas.
And he was one of the editors of Touch of
Evil as well.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yes, that's right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
And he directed eighty episodes of Wagon Train and that's
a ton Wow, that is a whole lot.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
And he did forty eight episodes of The Big Valley Wow. Yeah. So,
and he worked on other Western TV shows as well.
And once you work on one, you have an open
invitation to work on all of them.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah. I feel like that's yeah, that's probably that's probably.
That's probably good. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
And it was written by Leonard Praskins, and he wrote
twenty episodes of wagon Train, and he wrote some episodes
of Maverick. And he also co wrote back in the thirties,
actually William ay We Wellman adaptation of Call of the Wild,
which I remember enjoying. I love well I love William A. Wellman,
but I also love like mid thirties or early thirties

(36:35):
Clark Gable and Loretta Young's in it too. I love
them from that era.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah. Yeah, that's a fun that's a fun era for
Hollywood in general, right there. Yeah, that's oh that sort
of space. Yeah, climbing out of silence into sound and yeah,
that's a no code quite yet kind of the or
the code has just hit kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, thirty five, I think the code has just hit.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yes, yeah, I want to say thirty fourth or five, yeah,
right around there.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, yeah. Now, I think I've seen a few episodes
of Wagon Train. I know I've seen one from the
seventh season because that's the only season that was in color,
and it had a different run time as well. It
was the same minute the Virginia and yet ninety minutes.
And I've seen a couple episodes from when Ward Bond
was the star. I think he died during the fourth season.

(37:20):
But that's pretty much all I've seen of Wagon Train.
Are you pretty familiar with this series?

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Dan? You know, the weird thing about wagon Trade is
that I'm not I don't know that that's that weird.
I tried to make it sound weird because we're talking
about creepy episodes and things, so I thought if I
began it with that. No, Yeah, the thing with wagon
Train is that this is one of those shows that
I've seen a smattering of episodes over the years, but
I've never actually never actually sat down and watched a

(37:46):
bunch of them, so much so that when I was
watching this, I was like, now, who is everyone? What's
going on? What's happening. I do love the fact that,
like in its penultimate season, it decided to go color
for ninety minutes and then went back to black and
white for sixty minutes. I like, yeah, like that, And
I like the fact that what in the I want
to say, sixty one sixty two, the year before The

(38:07):
Hillbillies showed up, it was the number one show in America,
which is cool. But but yeah, my wagon Train. I
know more about the history of wagon train, and I
also know that I think I probably said this. We
talked about wagon Train in the Our History episode. The
main thing I know when I think of wagon Train

(38:28):
is what the uh the Itchy and Scratchy and Marge
episode of The Simpsons where they're picketing the studio that
makes sixty and Scratchy and they're all helping picket signs
and Mo has one that says, bring back wagon Train. Okay,
so that's so. Yeah, this of these three shows we're
going to discuss. This is the one I know the
least about, apart from the fact that it's a wagon train,

(38:49):
and it was kind of more I think more almost
more anthology at times, because I know a lot of
the episodes are like, you know, the the Lonnie West story,
the Johnson Dingman story, that kind of.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Thing, right, Yeah, I know, I know. It's definitely one
of the big classic Western TV series, and I'd be
down to cover episodes in the future for sure.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
But yeah, but let's get into a little girl Lost, Dan,
what's this episode about?

Speaker 1 (39:16):
This episode is about the chef. Who's Charlie, right, is
a chef Charlie is that nice? Yeah, Charlie Kloster or
something like that, Charlie Weister, Yeah, yeah, yeah, So Charlie
is the chef, and the wagon train is going I
think it's going. Probably it's going to California. I feel
like it's going to California. And the premise of this

(39:36):
one is it's a it's a it's a wagon train
that has more kids on it than usual, and then
one night they hear a little girl sort of crying
off in the distance, and they think it's one of
the kids in the in the wagon train. But then
a few nights in, Charlie sees along with his assistant
whose name I didn't write down, but a younger gentleman
who's sort of he's he's a scout who's helping Charlie out.

(39:59):
I didn't mean to make rhyme, it happened, but Charlie
sees like a little girl kind of all bundled up
even though they're in the middle of like the desert,
and she says she's cold and she's hungry. But then
she kind of he loses track of her. And what
happens is, Yeah, as the days go by, they keep
hearing this little girl crying and then and he he

(40:21):
he eventually is able to talk to her and discovers
that she uh. Well, Actually, what happens around the time
he first talk to her, they actually find two weird things.
He and the younger gentlemen. They smell snow, or they
smell you know, the smell like if you're in the
midst of snow falling, and some of there's a very

(40:41):
particular feel and smell, not not like it ooh, that's snow,
But do you know what when you smell it, and
they're like it smelled it. They say, it smelled like
like we were going through the mountains. That's what we
smelled like during during the blizzard. And they also find
actual snow on the ground, now a chuck of ice
that flew off the mountain or anything like that, actual
snow on the ground. And he goes to talk to

(41:01):
this little girl who I believe her name is Robin, right,
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, Yes, that's right, that's correct.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
She has a very long name, but her her first
name is Robin. She's a little I don't know how
old she is. I know, I can't gauge kids. She's
she's three, she's eight, she's fourteen, she's twenty three. I
don't know how old she is. How old would you say,
like eight?

Speaker 2 (41:20):
I think somewhere between six and eight?

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Six and eight, okay, okay, so we'll say, yeah, somewhere
between like six. Well, I'm going to say seven. I
like that. That'll be great, all right. So she's about seven,
and she's just talking about when she talks to charge,
she talks about how she's cold, and some people went
looking for food and her mom was sick, and then
they don't have much food and they're cold and can
Charlie help? And Charlie tries to help, but she vanishes

(41:45):
and uh and charge. She gives out a couple of
names when she's talking, and Charlie kind of goes around
to people there ask them, Hey, do you know anyone
by this name and that name? And they all say, like,
why you ask it? He says, you know, just I'm
just wondering, you know, And and he's trying not to
say because the guy in charge kind of picks on him,
and everyone else kind of laughs a him and all that.
I think I saw a ghost of a little girl.

(42:07):
And but they keep hearing this crying and they think
he's gonna stop, and it keeps going, and then it
stops for a while, and I I will, we'll talk
about where the little girl is from. But but gradually
you get you he pieces together where the little girl
is from and what's going on, and again it's very
Twilight tony. Yeah and uh and but I'll just sort

(42:29):
of stop there. It's basically a little girl crying and
sort of her cry follows the wagon train and Charlie,
the chef is trying or the cook. He's not a chef.
This isn't This isn't Gaye Perry. This is this is
the middle of the middle of the desert and in
wild wild West. Oh just the wild West. The wild
wild West is another thing. But but yeah, he's he's
the cook for the wagon train and he's trying to

(42:51):
find and help this little girl who may or may
not be a ghost.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah. I'm actually pretty curious to hear your thoughts on
this Episod said, what did you think?

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Dan? Uh? You know, it's funny. I watched it twice,
and the first time I watched it, I made me
a little sleepy. I don't know if it was after
I just watched the Bonanza, which was in color, and
this is the black and white. I don't know. Maybe
I shouldn't. I shouldn't be watching two hour long Western

(43:21):
episodes in a row. I don't know what it was.
It was a little sleepy, but I will uh uh.
But it was really weird. When I went back and
watched it the second time and knew what was going on,
I really really enjoyed it, like more so than the
Bonanza episode. I thought it was sort of more I actually,
you know, Michael Landon, is is more interesting to watch

(43:44):
than the Charlie is I think, sorry, sorry Charlie fans,
but but there's something about again this this one has
the kind of it's it's it's not really eerie, but
it just has this kind of what is going on?
Is this really happening? Yeah, what has happened? And it's
more straightforward, like like you don't know until the end
of Bonanza what exactly was happening. This you know pretty

(44:06):
early on this little girl is a ghost and she's
sort of lost in time, and you learn you'll spoilers
that goes on that that she is dead. She's obviously dead,
she's a ghost, but she she's dead, but she is
for some reason sort of every time she sees Charlie,
she's sort of reliving her life and like there's no

(44:27):
one else there for her. She's by herself, and it's
kind of about Charlie trying to basically convince her that
she's dead and she should go to heaven and and
it's and it and it it's. There are some nice
little moments of humor in there where they're making fun
of Charlie for for for uh, for talking about kind

(44:49):
of ghosts and weird things, and like like one moment
where Charlie, did you see something last night? I did?
Would you tell us about it? Nope, because you're gonna
make fun of me and he will do it. So
he makes the young man tell and it's it's It's
an interesting episode because, like I said, the first time
I watched it, I thought, this is this is okay.
For some reason, I don't know, I was in the

(45:09):
right frame of mine. The second time I watched it, it
really hit me and I thought the plight of little
girl and Charlie just kind of going above and beyond
to base. I mean the moment in the end, like
where he's digging through the ground trying to find her
gravestone to show it to her. Yeah, and then she
and then he says, can you you can read? You
told me you could read, and she starts to read it.
It's just like I started forget me. I started it

(45:31):
well up. I was like, oh my gosh. And and
then she goes basically to heaven, and I thought, wow,
this is for for for It's like watching the Bonanza.
You don't quite expect ghosts in something like Bonanza, but
you got to like, okay, but this one, like when
I got to the end and like you see him
him go out of out of his way and show

(45:51):
it the grapes and all this other stuff. It's like
I found it rather sort of moving, Like I was like,
oh wow, this is I I don't know why. The
first time I watched it, I was just like okay,
But the second time it really struck me, and I thought,
you know what, again, maybe it takes a little too
long to get where it needs to me. But again,
it's a fifty minute episode and it you know, it

(46:13):
may have worked best as like a half hour Twilight
Zone or something, but I think in general it works.
And the sort of when you learn when the storytelling
guy casually says what party she's a part of? If
you know your history, the moment you hear that, you're like,
oh no, and you go, oh boy, okay, what is

(46:35):
happening here? And then gradually study the moment you hear that,
you like, sit up, and then and then it gradually
starts to sort of fill in the gaps and things.
So I got to say, like, I, yeah, I liked
this episode of Wagon Train. They're not I wish they
were all like this. I doubt they are. Yeah, but
I liked it. I liked it.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yeah, no, I My thoughts and feelings echo yours like
to a t like the first time I watched it,
and like you, I watched this episode twice. I was
kind of bored the first time through. I thought the
connection Now, I am going to go ahead and say
what the connection is to oh?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yes, please?

Speaker 2 (47:15):
So the connection in this story with the little girl
in this story is that she was part of the
Donner Party, yes, which I thought was was you know,
I thought it was interesting and the first time I
watched it, but the execution or maybe the way the
story was told was just kind of lacking. But then

(47:35):
the second time around, like you, it worked so much
better for me. And I do think it's really interesting
to kind of pull a ghost story out of a
real incident, yes one. And I did look it up
to see if a wagon train utilized kind of real

(47:56):
historical figures and events in other episodes. And I know
there is another episode from this season that features Wyatt
Arp and the Er Brothers and uh and they also
did an early in an earlier season in an episode
called the Jim Bridger Story, which is based on the
like the Mountain Man and the guy and Jim Bridger
is actually I think is connected to the Donner Party.

(48:19):
Actually I didn't get to research this, but I I
think that he gave them some bad information about which
direction they should take at some point in their journey,
and that did lead them to like the awful, you know,
tragedy that the party went through. But and in this episode,
they are referring to real uh members of the Donner Party,

(48:39):
Like they mentioned Charles Stanton and William mccutcheen, and they
also mentioned a name. I think that Robin's last name
is like rossiters like that. Yeah, and I did. I
did actually look that up. Look that name up today,
and I couldn't find any information on it. And now
I'm not an expert on the subject of the Donner Party,

(49:01):
but I did, probably five or six years ago, I
read a book on the Donner Party called The Indifferent
Stars Above The Harrowing Saga of the Donner Party Bride.
And it's an it's incredible, Like it's one of the
most absorbing books I've read in recent memory. It's it's
by an author named Daniel James Brown. And if you

(49:23):
have any interest in this story at all, it's a
pretty amazing telling of it. It's it's it's really heavy,
of course, uh, given the subject matter, but it is
definitely worth checking out. But uh, but but back to
the back to this episode. Yeah, like I said, I
like the general story of this episode quite a bit.

(49:45):
I think if I have any issue with it still,
I think part of it feels a little too much
like a family show. Like like the scene where the
one character who is telling the children the story stories. Yeah, yeah,
that feels like it could be like hop Along Cassidy
or something like that. Yeah, but I think, you know,

(50:08):
he's telling all of these tall tales and then when
he is finally telling the cook like the true story
of the with the Donner party. Yes, I was kind
of like, oh, well, now it's kind of worth it
to hear him tell the tall tales to now hear
him tell, like recite this real story. But I wish

(50:30):
he had been I mean, maybe he's a little more sincere,
yeah telling that stuff, but I wish he had his
performance had become a little more real telling that. That's
kind of but that's a minor, minor thing.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yeah, No, I agree, I do. I like I said,
I do like the way how he's telling the story. Oh, yes,
there are people there. Yeah, they were up there, Yeah,
the part of the Donner party. And they went up there,
and you're like, what ding ding ding ding ding? Yeah,
go wait, I heard the word. You know, it's a
it'ld be like someone tellings. Oh yeah, they were Yeah,
they took that boat. They traveled across the Atlantic boats

(51:04):
they called, yeah, the Titanic, and they had a really
great seat on there. They would sit by, you know,
and and something like that. You go back up a
little what was the name of that boat? Yeah? And
but uh, I think the one thing I had with
a the second time is it is it? Is it
the episode? Whereas the bonanza builds, this one kind of
doesn't go anywhere fast. Even when you get up to

(51:28):
the ending, it's now I mean when you get to
the final scene with him and the little girl. I
think it's very affecting and it works very well. But
even leading up to that, there's no like, hey, where
Charlie go, oh he went up ahead to do something?
You know there there's no there's no maybe because it's
a ghost and and there doesn't have to be the
the the sort of uh, she's not doing anything terrible,

(51:51):
so they don't have to drive her out or anything
like that. But there there isn't there isn't a feeling
of like, I know, it's a wagon train always moving forward,
but the story just kind of kind of it kind
of it'll hang for a minute or two and then
something will happen, and then it'll hang for and then
then something will happen. And that's all I guess, part
of the local color and filling it all in and
stuff like that. But that's the one thing for me

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as that the I don't know if meandering is the
right word, but it never builds towards the ending. The
ending is at the ending where it's supposed to be,
but it doesn't like it's not where do you go?
He's on the edge of this hill, oh my god,
and there's a storm and what's he doing? You know,
it's like, where'd you go? Oh? He just went up ahead?
All right? So you're making beans tonight, gonna make some beans,

(52:33):
all right, beans, you know, and you know things like that.
You know, I'm gonna put on a coat, woo, you know,
and then it cuts to Charlie doing doing the stuff.
But I think that the concept of I mean because
in the previous episode, right, we had a people cursed
and out out of time, yes, and being dragged back
into our world as it were, to to uh to

(52:57):
try to be brave and free themselves from the curse.
And this I like the concept. This is slightly vaguer,
I think, right, like sort of it's just a little
girl who she's with the Donner party and they her
mom gets sick, then her mom gets better than her
mom dies, and then sometime after that she dies. Yeah,
and none of the other sort of ghosts are there

(53:19):
and nothing, just she's there and she's lost, and she's,
like I said, she's living through it again. And there
there is there is a great moment where two guys
from like another wagon train show up and are like,
you know, do you did you get did you find
that girl or whatever? The one she was crying where

(53:39):
I forget if they said they saw her or not.
I just heard her.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
I think he said they just heard her, but I
got not a sure.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yeah, almost like like like she was going from space
to space looking for someone, not knowing why, but looking
for someone who could help her and could I don't
I don't I feel I feel like maybe she was
too young, but that she's not too young because she's
been for decades, I guess, but looking for someone who
could help her bring the closure of the realize. I
like the concept that she died and her her body's

(54:09):
in the ground and there's a gravestone, but her spirit.
I don't know if it's because she was too young.
I know it's because it was too sad. I don't
know if it was because it was Christmas time, right
or something that that her spirit is lost, her spirit
has not gone onwards. And I liked that. There's something
about that that's just kind of a cool concept, like

(54:30):
that she hasn't done anything wrong. She's not in purgatory.
She's just a little confused girl who like like when
when she died and they shone the light on her,
she got distracted by something over to the left and
went and checked it out, and the lights shut down,
and she's like, where am I now? And because she's
you know, she's kind of stuck in her time, her

(54:51):
sort of temporal spot. She's still she's still cold. But
I'd like the fact that she's sort of living through
her life, Like she doesn't keep showing up and asking
for this same thing, like what the last time she like,
I think that there's like the second or like I
think the third time she shows up, she's like, oh,
Mom's better and stuff like that. So she's moving through
a timeline too, and which is kind of which is

(55:13):
kind of a weird. But but and it doesn't I
don't know if it makes sense. But I don't know
that it matters in the end, because she she goes
to and it's really lovely the way they do it too.
I mean, when she the moment she realizes she's dead,
she goes to heaven. Right, Yeah, it's it's it's it's
it's really I think it's a nice and it's it's

(55:35):
sort of like nicely done. I mean, I mean I
would say, like if they did something like that today,
it would probably be like you get a lot of
people going, what was that? Well, what was that? But
I think it's like sixty three sixty four, you could
do that and people will go, people will will accept
it more just be like, of course, of course that's

(55:55):
what's going to happen, you know.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah, I agree. I even thought about that. I was like,
is somebody watching this now? I might find it to
be kind of cheesy, but I'm with you. Like I
the ending, I think is is very poignant. And I
think that even if it even if you can't make
sense out of the story or kind of like the

(56:20):
way this unfolds, it has like some emotional impact to it.
And I feel like that if you can achieve that
that will like overpower any flaws with the story. And
it works well like emotionally with for it.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
It's like it's an emotional storytelling rather than strict stories.
I don't know what to call it. Yeah, like like
you know, when you see the little girl and him
talking to her, you know, it doesn't what the things
I said about the timeline is that that doesn't really matter.
It's just kind of like, huh, you know. It's like
and and the theory being that like Charlie doesn't understand

(57:00):
really what's going on. He kind of does, but at
the end of the day, if pressed, he'd be like,
I don't know. It was a little girl who died
and then forgot to go to heaven and now she's
alone and I helped her, uh you know, And and
and if I asked him, well, what about the timelines
and everything, he just give me a plate of beans
and tell me to eat them right. And it is weird,

(57:25):
Like I said, that final scene when he's like he's
trying to talk to her and she's kind of getting
mad at him. Yeah, because he's he's trying. He's trying
as delicately as he can to say, I'm sorry your
mom has passed, but you're dead too, sweetheart, You're you're
dead too. And then he has just says to the moment
he goes, wait a minute, and he jumps on the
ground and is rummaging around the dirt for a couple

(57:45):
of seconds. You're like, what's he doing? And then so
they're like, oh, yes, And like I said, the moment
where you told me you could read read this and
she reads the thing and it's just like, oh, just
I thought, like, like I said, if you can get
I want to say, if you I'm making this up

(58:05):
when I say this, but I want to say that
if you watch a bunch of wagon trains, all the
in between stuff in between the actual story, like talking
about how great that kid was making dinner when Charlie
wasn't there, and you know, discussing all the kids who
were there and stuff like that. All that stuff would
just be part of the show. That's just what happens
in the show. Every episode. There's a main storyline and

(58:27):
then there's all this interstitial stuff that goes out of
the way. The wagon train is alive as the story
is going on. So I feel like if I was
more of an expert on wagon train all the intercision,
that would just be part of the fun.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Right. But yeah, Frank McGrath, he's the actual that played
Charlie Wooster, and I thought he was pretty good and
I really kind of bought like his obsession with kind
of helping like the ghost of this little girl kind
of move on.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Yes, because it does become an obsession.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Right, absolutely, Yeah, Yeah, I think I think it's an
episode that some listeners would probably like this episode. I
can also see people thinking that it's boring, cheesy, or
or for a bit of both.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
That's sort of too much. The spiritual aspect of it
in the end might be a little little too much,
But I think it were I mean, to me, it.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Works, right, I mean, oh, it worked for me absolutely.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I mean, here's here's the I mean, it's like I was,
I was going to say, it's like when and I'm
not going to say what happens here, But if you've
ever watched the show The X Files, it was a
big at one time. No, it's still pretty pretty beloved show.
But one of the running through lines through that was
what happened to Moulder's sister Samantha. And throughout the show

(59:42):
the first like six and a half seasons, we don't
get all kinds of different things. But then in the
in the middle of the seventh season, there's a two
parter the second part is called Closure, where you learn
what happened where she is, what happened to where she is,
And to some people it's laughable. To me, I thought
it was gorgeous. I thought it was a beautiful ending.

(01:00:03):
I thought it was perfect what it ended. I was like,
it was just like that was that? I love that?
That was great? And that's sort of what like this is.
You know, you're gonna if if if you, if you
watch Closure got to the end and laughed and said,
what a pile of do do you? You might watch
this and have a similar feeling. Yeah, because she's not
gonna she's not gonna suddenly become like the ghost at

(01:00:25):
the beginning of Ghostbusters and leap up and become a
monster and attack Charlie or anything. No, she's just she's
like the like the episode is tight, A little Girl lost.
So yeah, it's a it's a like I think. I
think so far it's two winners. I think, very different
types of episodes, yes, but two winners. Don't watch them
in a row, no sleep, or maybe watch a black

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and white then the color one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I don't know, Yeah that that could work or maybe
uh yeah, I don't know. Or maybe maybe start with
this episode and then the bonanza or something.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Yeah, yeah, I think maybe do that. Yeah. And it's
so weird too to have a show that was black
and white then color then wrapped it up in black
and white. That's got to be interesting because so many
shows this was the time when they all went for
black and white to color, and then to have one
kind of go ah, we tried it, We're going to
black and white. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I wonder if the seventh season, if they saw like
a big drop in ratings or something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
I feel like possibly just because they got I mean,
what was it the season? Was it the season before?
Two seasons before they know we number one? You know,
so the fact that the I mean it was eight
seasons too, and that yeah, at that time, that was
pretty long for a TV show. U. So, but but

(01:01:43):
I do feel like, maybe, yeah, that that ninety minute
color thing may have hurt them somewhat. I don't know
for certain, but I just feel like the fact that
they just they just were constantly building building, and I
think they were like like behind Gun Smoke for a
couple of seasons or something like that, like number two
or number three or something like that, and then they
hit number one. Then a year or two later they

(01:02:04):
went color, and then the next year they went black
and white and then they were gone.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
So yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess we're
gonna got our wagon train. But eventually wagon train we
will hop on. It'll be awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I like the so like, yeah, you had made a joke.
I think the last time we recorded about doing eventually
the Virginian, Yes, And I had the thought like if
that was a podcast, the idea of going through the
longest running Western series and then eventually we'll get to
the Virginian like we did all twenty seasons of gun Smoke,
and then we did what is it, fourteen seasons of

(01:02:38):
the fourteen Yeah, of Bonanza. That would be Now, that
would be a tremendous podcast that that somebody should start.
If we don't, that would be great. Well you can
have Oh yeah, oh go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Oh no, I was I was just going to make
another eventually, the Virginian joke. But I thought I think
we're good. I think we're good. I don't need to
make another. All right. Well, I was looking at my notes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Yeah, do you have anything else on this one?

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
I don't think so. What did he say? Does Charlie
have a line where he says, I'm like, I just
have it written down. You're looking at that like you
hated them? What it was that? That's the beginning? Is
it like someone looking at his food or something. You're
looking at that like you hated him or something? God
could Why did I only write down half the line?

(01:03:27):
That doesn't help anyone? Okay, Well, at the beginning everyone
someone says the line and you're looking at that like
you hated them or something like that, And I thought
it was good. So if you can figure out what
it is, you know right to us, and you know
you win an evening with Hunter.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Oh wow, I hope nobody wins. Well, I guess I
hope somebody wins it. Maybe it depends on who the
winner is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
I wish I should lots of kids. Why did I
do that? Oh? God? Okay, but yeah, I didn't write
a lot of notes on this one because to me,
it was like as I was watching and it was
like it was it was just it was self evident.
So so I didn't I didn't write a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Yeah. Well, no, it's it's a good episode, and I'm
definitely glad I gave it a rewatch because this would
be a very different conversation if I'd only seen Hyeah first.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Same here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Yeah, yeah, all right, So well let's get into the
last episode we're talking about, which is from uh it's
the twelfth episode from the second season of The Wild
Wild West. It's called The Night of the Man Eating
House and it aired on December second in nineteen sixty six.
It was directed by Alan Crossland Junior, and he directed

(01:04:36):
twelve episodes of the series in total, and Dan he
actually directed an episode of Garrison's Gorillas. It was episode
twenty one. It's called Ride of Terror. Have you have
you gotten that far yet?

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Now? Yet? We are? I think as we're talking about it,
this right now episode seventeen is about to go up, so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
We ok, you're pretty close.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Yeah, yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
And he also directed twelve episodes of Adam twelve. And
I actually, I actually I mentioned this on a recent episode,
but I'll say it again. My dad loves Adam twelve,
he says. He says, he says, if there were ten
thousand episodes of Adam twelve, he would never watch anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
You know. Yeah, it's it is a fun show. I
mean I've said that, like with Doctor Who. You know,
there are some days where I'm not going to watch
anything ever again, but Doctor Who, because there are eight
hundred episodes, you know, but yeah, I would. I could
see that with Adam twelve. You get. It's a it's
a really good show.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
It really Yeah, yeah, it's very good. And this episode
was written by John Nuball and he wrote eight episodes
of the Wild Wild West and worked on a bunch
of other shows, and Wagon Train being one of them. Actually,
and I don't know this for a fact, but I
feel like this is a series that you're pretty familiar with,
is that right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Yeah? The I finally after years of almost buying it,
like about three months ago, I finally bought the complete
series on DVD and I finished rewatching season one a
few days ago, which is the black and white season,
which is a lot of fun. And I feel like
the show gets crazier and maybe more fun as it
goes into color, unlike say, like The Man from Uncle,

(01:06:14):
which as it got more color, it got more camp
and people hated it more. But yeah, Wild Wild West
was the show that Saturday evenings when I was a kid,
we would go to church because that's when my mom
liked to go to church, the five o'clock mass. We
were Catholic between and we get home by six and
then my mom would make us dinners. We were watching

(01:06:36):
The Wild Wild West and we would eat dinner on
TV trays watch The Wild Wild West sometimes Star Trek
because that was onto. I prefer Wild Wild West, and
we would watch that and then you know, later in
the evening, you know, while everyone else was asleep, I
you know, at the age of eight or nine, I'd
be up watching Mystery Monty Python and Doctor Who, which
would go on to like the middle of the night.

(01:06:56):
But that that was like the start of our tuesdays
after church was a Wild Wild was and I love
the music I love I love the fact that Jim
West did all these great stunts. I loved Robert Conrad's pants.
I still do. Artemis Gorn, of course, is one I
think one of the great characters around. I loved how
nutty the show was, and I loved I love the

(01:07:18):
theme music. I love the when it would ever would
go to a commercial and you get that final image
going into the sort of like the puzzle pieces of
the of the opening credits. I always love that, and
they would fill them up. And I like the fact
that all the episodes are the night of something or other.
I love doctor Loveless. May the man who removed my

(01:07:38):
wisdom teeth when I was about eighteen was named doctor Loveless,
and he was a very nice guy. He was a
very nice guy. And I will tell you getting four
wisdom teeth removed one of the crunchiest experiences of my life.
They were all impacted, so he had to kind of
break them all out of there. And there's nothing like
sitting there and all you can hear is people, doctor Lovelace.

(01:08:01):
Is everything going all right? Oh? Dan, it's going great.
Oh it's going great. Can I get some more sponges here? Yeah?
It's going fantastic, Dan. Yeah, but I do remember when
I met him, I sang like doctor Lovelace, you know
the uh there there was a character in the show
The Wild Wild West, and he nodded to yes, I know,
I know, and I said, okay, all right, cool A
couple of times yeah, yeah, so but but yeah, it

(01:08:23):
was a show that when I was a kid, it
was one of my I didn't watch a lot. I've
said this so many times. I didn't watch a lot
of hour long TV when I was a kid. I
had a tough time getting into it. Mcgiver was one
of the shows I watched for about two years until
it stopped being kind of adventury and he started like
helping out inner city kids. I thought, I'm not that's
Welcome Back Cotterer. I don't want to see Welcome Back

(01:08:45):
Cotter with macguiver in it and as mcguiver. And then
a couple of and then a couple of the short
lived shows like Shadow Chasers and stuff. But Wild Wild
West was one I used to watch pretty I'm gonna
say religiously because we watch it after church. Yeah, and so,
and it was I just loved and randomly throughout my life,
I watched it again and when I caught up on it,
and then and I've been I've been meeting to buy

(01:09:07):
the DVDs for what like the fifteen years they've been out.
That finally around my birthday a few months ago, I
bought the set and like I said, I really love
the show. The show. I will say this, the show
is one of those sixties shows where I do not
recommend watching more than one episode of sitting. You can
do one a day, one a week, which is the

(01:09:29):
way it's meant to be watched. But if you do,
if you do two in a row, the show is
very formulaic and it it there's no bones about it.
Knows it's formulaic and it and that right there on
its sleeve, you know, the night of this, the night
of that. It's very formulaic. So if you watch one today,
one a week, it's a joy. If you watch like
two in a row, like You'll get halfway through the

(01:09:52):
second episode to be like whow, I feel like I'm
watching sort of the same thing you're not, but it
all feels so similar. So I recommend the show. HI
adore the show is. It's one of my favorite I
hate to say, but at the end of the day,
I feel like the nineteen sixties in America might be
my favorite decade for television. Yeah, just because like there

(01:10:15):
are so many shows that I appreciate during this decade,
and My Green Acres, of course, is one of my
top two or three favorite shows. But it's just like,
when I look at the shows of the sixties, there's
so many there's so much imagination, there's so much variety,
and it's gotten over the hump of the primitiveness of
the early fifties, and it's and it's sort of and

(01:10:37):
it's not quite at the seventies thing where everything becomes
so relevant that six months later it's dated that like
the sixties, like there's this wonderful space and there's but
rewatching Wild Wild West. Especially this episode we're going to
talk about a couple of times, just just reminded me
that it's it's such an imaginative show and they pull

(01:10:57):
from so many different sources to make it. It's just
like it's it's very good. I think it's a very
good show. And I'm not going to say what I
think about the episode until we get to it. I
might have liked it. There I spoiler. But that's how
I'm saying, what about you? No, you say that to yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Yeah. Now, So this is a series that I own
as well, and I've been very slowly making my way
through it. I haven't seen a ton of episodes at
this point, and this was actually my first time seeing
this episode. So, and it's not very far into the
second season, but I know I've completed the first season.
I've watched maybe a handful of the second season, and

(01:11:38):
I agree this is not a series that I can
binge watch, and actually, just any show that has a
fifty minute runtime I think makes it harder to watch
multiple episodes. But yeah, but I do enjoy the series
for sure, and I agree that it's definitely imaginative, like

(01:12:00):
the the cast, even even though the even though the
makeup can be a bit much on one of them,
we'll get into.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
That little yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
But uh, but Dan, this is the final plot summary
of the night? What is the Night of the Man
Eating House About?

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
I struggle to try to come up with a way
to tell this in some way that will take forever,
but I'll do my best. So they have the Jim
and Artemis are are helping they're in Texas and they're
taking a gentleman named I want to say, list listen, listen,
Lawrence Day. Does that sound right? Does that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Yeah, I'm gonna call him mister Day. Yeah, taking this
guy named mister Day, who who Jim doesn't describe at
the beginning, but he compares him to Benedict Benedict Arnold
of Texas. Yes, and this guy has been in prison
for like twenty years, thirty years in solitary confinement, and
he I believe it's he's very, very set. And they're

(01:13:01):
taking him to a doctor in Beaumont, Texas who can
help him, and then they're taking him back to the prison.
Although when we see this gentleman, mister mister Day, he
he's Artemis pretty quickly says something like he's got swamp fever.
He's not gonna last longer. He doesn't. He's very old,
he doesn't look great, and uh, it's it's artemissus, Jim,
it's mister mister Day. I'll can call mister D. It

(01:13:24):
sounds like I'm gonna do a little rolling Stones. They're
dancing with mister d or something like that. I'm not
but uh, mister and a sheriff, and the sheriff. Most
of what the sheriff does is says stuff like, well,
that can't happen. What's going on over that? That's that
kind of sheriff. And what ends up happening is it's
nighttime and they they reach this old looks like a

(01:13:45):
deserted house. They go inside the house and the house
is clearly very deserted. I mean, there are more cobwebs
in this house than a house called Cobweb House down
Cobweb Lane in in cobb Web, the city of Cobweb
in the United States. There are a lot of webs
in this house. And they stay in the house. And

(01:14:08):
I don't want to say too munch of it because
I I just but but they're in the house and
they kind of get to get mister Day comfortable and
he's not doing great, and they're just going to kind
of bed down there for the night, and then weirdly enough,
they start hearing a female voice echoing through the house. Now,
I know this is tying you with the previous one, right,

(01:14:28):
And in the one before that, there's a woman who's
a ghost who tries to put the make on little Joe. So,
so we got all kinds of tie ins here, and
Hunter did this on purpose. Trust me, trust me, trust me.
And so they hear like this the sound of this
woman laughing, and and and what begins to happen is
they sort of realize that this woman seems to be

(01:14:52):
the house because they bust some windows and they hear
her moaning and moaning away occasionally that I wouldn't have
thought you would be able to hear on TV in
nineteen sixty six. But but this is a year or
two away from laughing, where you know, we shed all
our inhibitions. So but but and and like like, there's

(01:15:13):
one point where Artemis kind of stambs the wall and
you hear like a groan of pain. Yea, And they
sort of and then they get trapped that all the
doors shut, they see a little like willow the wisp
thing floating around a chandelier almost drops on Artemis. And
and basically, mister Diaz, oh, I gave gave the game
away there, mister Day. Sorry, don't listen to that thing

(01:15:33):
I just said. Mister Day, the crazy prison guy. At
one point, he breaks in hysterical laughter and takes off
running up the steps into the the the recesses of
the house. Yeah, and and things get really weird when
the sheriff follows him. Artemis a gym follow him a
minute later, and the sheriff is on the ground, having
age to death in the course of about one minute.

(01:15:57):
And after that things get weirder. They go deeper into
the house. They discover the source of this laughter, this
female laughter. They learn whose house it was, they learned
the history of the house, and they end up in
a in a dungeon cell with I was going to

(01:16:17):
reference an HP Lovecraft story with rats in the walls
and things go kind of crazy, and uh, I'm just
gonna stop right there. They're in a crazy house that
seems to be possessed.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Yes, yeah, So what did you think of this episode?

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
I loved it. I just thought it was so nutty.
It's so screwball from beginning to end. They do a
really well we'll talk about we'll talk about what happens
at the very ending later, But it was the second
time I watched it, I saw how they planted the
ending and I thought, oh, is that fair? Did you
do that right? And I'll talk about what I mean later,
But this is just like, I don't know because of

(01:16:57):
the very ending, I don't know if this is a
great one Archer Wild Wild West with because it slightly
hedges its bets, but then it also kind of doesn't.
And the thing about the show is the show goes nuts.
The show does all kinds of crazy things that doesn't
apologize for it. And so this one just like the
deeper you get into it, the weirder it gets. And
you know, you've got you've got walls that moan, You've

(01:17:23):
got these cobwebs everywhere, you get a sheriff aging to
death in like thirty seconds. Yeah, you you get the
spirit of a woman who opens and closes doors and
reveals hidden passages. You get thousands of rats in the
walls infected with the bubonic plague. I mean what yeah,

(01:17:43):
what I mean? You know, like again, this this episode,
like if you're expecting like an MCU film or something
like that, this isn't pace like that. It's it's it's
it's more, it's it's a slower pace, but it has
so much crazy stuff happening that you just kind of
a weird thing happens. And then as you're sitting there
taking that in two minutes later, another weird thing happens,

(01:18:05):
and then something happens and you think, where are they
going to go from there? And then they do something
else that's weird, and it's just like and the whole time,
Gym and Artemis are there. You know, Gym's in his
tight pants and your Artemis is looking slightly confused, and
they're just trying to figure out what's going on. And
just just the way it goes from like this one
thing to another thing and then another thing, and it's
just like it's so packed with stuff that I just

(01:18:29):
got a real kick out of it. I mean, this
is this is this is basically like, like I said,
not a first time wild wild West to someone, but
this is like this is the wild wild West to me.
Like this is wild and I just I just had
a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think it's a really fun
episode and definitely out of everything we watched, maybe it
has the most like horror essents. I mean, there's a graveyard,
there is a haunted house, so many cobwebs, and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
By the end, there's like I'm dying to say this
in high death because by the end, like as as
mister Day is like holding them up with a gun.
You see Artemis a Jim and they're like covered with cobwebs,
like all over their clothes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Yeah, this is one series now that we So far
there's only been a handful of like Western TV shows
that have gotten a Blu Ray release. But I would
love for The Wild Wild West to get a Blu
Ray release because it would it could really benefit from
a nice HD scam although the DVD I think looks
looks pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Pretty good overall.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Now, now, the one thing that I do sort of
wish is that there there is that it wasn't a dream.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Yes, that's what I was gonna Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
I mean it's it's It's easy enough for me to overlook,
but I do wish that that element wasn't there. Now,
I think the the actor who plays uh Liston or
mister Day or.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
You can whatever you like, Okay, uh he is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
A heard hat feet And this is kind of an
obvious thing to point out, but there are like similarities
to the picture of Dorian Gray in this and herd A.
Hatfield actually played Dorian Gray in the nineteen forty five
adaptation of Wow, That's a Wild Story. But I think
he's pretty good. I do think he's good. I mean

(01:20:19):
he gets pretty over the top and you do kind
of feel like when he's monologuing, he thinks that he's
doing Shakespeare. Yes, but in an amusing way. I thought
it was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Yes, it's very he's I mean, he's one of those
crazy guys who who who laughs constantly at stuff, Yes,
who finds the world very music. And that's actually a
way they trick him to get out of the cell.
In the end is Artemis starts laughing, and you don't
want to laugh hysterically near someone who's crazy and laughs
hysterically because they're gonna get jealous and like, what are
you laughing hysterically at? Yeah? Over look?

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Yeah. And the other that actually plays the sheriff is
William Tomman, and he isn't given a whole lot to
do in this. He's definitely like, you know, like you said,
he's like, what's going on over there? Why is this happening?

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
But he everyone will recognize him. He played Hamilton Burger
and Perry Mason. Now, now he never won a case,
did he In Perry Mason?

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
I think I think if I remember correctly, because I've
asked Mitchell Hadley this several times, Okay, and he says,
I think there was one case that he won, but
then it was thrown out or something at the end,
So so that was as closest they got. So, but
hope Spring's eternal. For Hamilton Burger, he always thought he'd win.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Yeah, and he's in Uh. He's also in The Hitchhiker,
the Idelippino director noir that I remember enjoying, and I
actually thought that his character's corpse is actually pretty cool. Yeah,
and I do like the idea. Now, Actually this is
something that we should we should talk about because they
they do say that the blood his blood has been

(01:21:57):
completely from his body, right is. And the episode is
not the House the man eating House. So does the
house suck his blood or is this something that mister
Day did to him?

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
I don't know. I thought it was great though, I
mean it was, like I remind it. It reminded me
of a much calmer version of the Japanese film House
or HOUSEU or whatever it's called from late seventies, which
is where the gals go to stay in the house
and it's crazy. But this is this is sort of
like a Calmber version. It's sort of like the production
design is sort of via Roger Corman Edgar Allan Poe.

(01:22:34):
But yeah, small, a little smaller, a little little smaller,
but still the the with with that, with with the
with when you're in a TV thing and you only
have a few rooms, you have to it's the promise
of large beyond that, I think that that makes it work.
And I think pretty much like that entrance room with
the staircase and everything. I think I feel like once
you go out that that doorway, I feel like the

(01:22:56):
world's in front of you kind of thing. So so
so I bought it. But but yeah, the yeah, I
love that moment with his you know, his bloodspen drained.
What I don't think it really comes up again be
like what, Yeah, I don't what. And it's just like, yeah,
I like that. Yeah I can't explain it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
But yeah, I can't explain it either, but I I
I like that it's there. Oh one thing, Oh when
I just think of now one moment when they first
get to the house. Oh, actually back to the po thing.
So I definitely, uh, the aesthetic that it is definitely
drawing from, like the uh Corman post like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Fall House or USh or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Yeah, and I don't know how you can, uh you
take from that and then not have the house burned
down at the end.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
That's what's the one thing, right, that was the one.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Thing that's missing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure Roger Corby would have sold
them some footage. Yes, real cheap you know is yeah, yeah,
the uh yeah, it's it's a great to. It's a
great to sort of the production design. It's it's a
fun haunted house. I mean, do they go overboard on
the cobwebs maybe, yeah, I don't know. I mean that

(01:24:14):
the cobwebs give the whole thing kind of. I mean,
you keep expecting to see a scene where like the
two like Artemis and Jim are talking and then in
the background, like a giant spider lowers into the frame
or something, you know, a lah like Catwoman of the
Moon or Dungeon of Harrow or something like that, where
you're like, ah, but it doesn't happen like these these
were little spiders just working overtime. Maybe just working overtime.

(01:24:38):
And yeah, it's really like there's so much that happens
in the episode. It keeps like it it it like
it starts off just like a regular like we're hauling
this jerk from one place to another. Then you get
in the house and things get weird, and then you
learn the backstory of the family, and then all of
a sudden, the rats and the like. It's just it's

(01:25:00):
like it keeps, it keeps sort of at the moment
when you think it's gonna like maybe like it's gonna
run out of energy, it kind of like revitalizes itself. Yeah, again,
which I which I really appreciate. I mean, that's was
one of the wild Wild West. The things with you know,
is that there's there's not just one thing going on.
There's like there's a lot of little things going on

(01:25:21):
that accumulate into I'm going to release a thousand rats
when this, when this, when this grandfather's clock strikes midnight,
a thousand rats infected with bubonic playing from the ants
are going to flood the countryside. Wow. Wow, yeah, Wow,
that's I I wouldn't you know, thirty minutes ago, I

(01:25:42):
wouldn't have seen that coming. You know, at the end
of the episode, the old guy died a swamp fever.
Wouldn't have seen that coming. Nope, Nope, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
It goes to a pretty wild place. But I do
think it's it's it's definitely a lot of fun. Now,
one thing I did want to mention when they first
get to the house, they obviously the door opens on
its own. They go inside and it's it's very brightly lit.
But for some reason, Jim asked the sheriff to please

(01:26:12):
hold the lantern up and it doesn't change the lighting
in the scene at all. But uh, these are minor
things that it probably would have happened in any TV
show from this era, but it is kind of it
might not play well to somebody who isn't familiar with
watching TV from this era.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
We are still like this I think is the second
year of more or less all color, so we are
like I think maybe we're still I mean, I think
the makeup is probably it's someone overdoing it. Do you
want to talk about Jim's makeup real quick?

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Yeah? We should describe. I mean, like, what color is he?

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
I don't know. At first, I thought, am I am
I becoming complicit in some sort of racist thing as
I'm watching this because I'm looking at him and I'm like,
what color are you? Jim? Because he's you know, he's
a white guy. Yes, but he looks like there were
occasional moments where it looks like he's kind of, forgive me,

(01:27:13):
almost burnt, like like badly sun burnt or something like that.
But then there are other moments where it looks like
he's almost the color he they should be putting on him.
I'm not going to say it, but it looks. It
just looks you look at it going away, And all
I could think of was, this is the first season

(01:27:36):
when they were in color, so maybe, like I always
go to, like, at this time, TVs were smaller and
the definition was low, so I think probably a lot
of people will still have seen this in black and white.
I would bet when it aired.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Oh okay, I didn't even consider that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
Because I was I was going with that because like
for forgive me bringing up Doctor Who, but like Doctor
Who went to color in nineteen seventy, for the first
like three years, they would do it in color and
black and white to show it in certain areas in
the UK that just didn't really have color yet. And
so even though this went to color, that doesn't mean everyone.

(01:28:15):
I mean, my Polish grandmother had like a black and
black and white TVs in her house until like nineteen
eighty eight, Like it was like a suppose we bought
her a color TV and she like fell off the
easy chair, you know, it was so I mean, I
think part of that might be that, like, not everyone
would have had color yet. And also I think with
like the lower definition of the lower number of lines

(01:28:38):
and things on a TV back then, in the smaller TVs,
I feel like it probably would have looked, i mean
less egregiously strange than it does right here, because like
you seem in the opening scene where they're like doing
the telegraph and everything, and every time they cut to
a close up of his face, I think, handsome man,

(01:29:00):
and I'm a little uncomfortable looking at his face with
that What is that color? Could we look at something else?
And yeah, it's it's it's straight there. There's some some moments,
some two shots and things like that throughout some longer shots,
but whenever they do a close up of him, I
don't know, Yeah, too much, too much makeup, too much

(01:29:21):
dark in makeup his face.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Yeah, and it's it's too dark, like nobody is that tan? Yeah,
at least at least I do not that, at least
from what I've seen of people in the world. Yeah,
he could also almost be like almost the color of

(01:29:44):
like like if you shaved the bark off an oak tree,
he could almost be that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Yes, yes, I would agree. I would agree.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
I wish we should try doing people do that?

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
Do that? Yeah, it's it's it's I think by the
time I got about halfway in the episode, I was
used to it. Yeah, but it is slightly distracting in
some of the close ups early on because every time
it cuts cause you're getting into it and it's weird
and you're like, how weird are they going to get?
You know, there's that like I mentioned earlier, there's like
a willow, the wispy type thing that flies around in

(01:30:19):
the front room that the sheriff shoots at, and you're like,
how weird are they going to get? And then it
cuts to a close up a gym and you think, oh,
it's going to get that weird. Okay, that's a different vary.
That's a variation of weird that I feel a little
weird about looking at. But but yeah, so so but
but but the rest of it though, I mean the colors,
like you said, see this in high def. I imagine

(01:30:41):
it would be great because the colors are it's there
are a lot of colors. It's a gorgeous, gorgeous looking
sets and everything like that. So yeah, it's a I'm
looking at them now right here there. They just pulled
the diary out from behind the uh the painting, and
they're covered in cobwebs. Yeah, come yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Yeah, I'm trying to think if I don't know, oh well,
one thing that that is kind of interesting is there
is that little floating uh what is it a wisp?

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
I call it a willow of the wisp, exactly what
it's supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Yeah, But outside of that, they you know, this is
a kind of it's kind of interesting that they have
a haunted house without showing a spirit or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
It's more like a mechanical sort of opening windows opening
like like yeah, like if Doctor Lovelace were here, you'd
go under the house and there'd be like huge like
wooden gears. It'll be like a cyber like like like
a not not a cyberpunk, the the steampunk kind of
thing like under the house or something like that, like
turn this swetch and the painting flies open. But this

(01:31:51):
seems to actually be like this ghost of the the
mother doing all this.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Yeah, and I and I do like kind of the
how Jim and artemists kind of kind of experiment with
what will affect the house, like the idea of stabbing
the walls. It just kind of it's kind of fun
just to see what happens. But uh, but yeah, I'm
trying to think of I have anything else?

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
Did you have any other I was just going to
mention the dream portion of it, because we learn at
the end that that it is a dream. But then
they do several weird things with it. First off, normally
when you when you do like it's a dream kind
of thing, like it's a moment of like fear or terror,

(01:32:36):
you know what I mean, Like, oh my god sort
of thing. Like the other day I rewatched Berto Lenzi's
Nightmare City. Oh yeah, and that one is just a
dream one where the where the lead guy, the reporter,
and his wife who's a doctor, are like a rope
on a helicopter flying away from the zombies or whatever.
They are above a roller coaster and the wife loses

(01:32:56):
her grip and falls to her death. The moment she
hits the ground, the reporter wakes up from a dream
and then suddenly goes into the first few minutes of
the film where the zombie guys are about to fly
out of a plane, leap out of a plane, you
know everything, It freeze frames and says the nightmare becomes
a reality. And that's usually like a dream ends there
in a movie, and and and normally two you get

(01:33:19):
this thing where like when a when a dream ends,
like saying on someone screaming or whatever, when you cut
back to a movie like Last Slumber Party, which is
also a big chunk of it, as a dream does this,
where whereas Nightmarre City, when he wakes up from the dream,
he basically goes through what we saw at the beginning
of the movie, the exact same thing. So when the

(01:33:41):
when the plane door begins to open, you're like, okay,
is this this is going to be the exact same
thing we just saw, but now he's dreamt it, so
maybe he could do something to figure about the movie ends,
there's no sequel. Whereas Last Slumber Party, when Chris gets
killed in the pool by the by the crazy guy,
what we see to the end of the movie is
different from what we saw in her dream. Wild Wild

(01:34:04):
West does the former they wake up from the dream,
and it ends up with them approaching the house that
we were in during the entire episode. So when the
episode ends, you think, are they about to just live
through what he dreamed?

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
Or or that's what it kind of feels like to me,
like they almost the writers maybe someone was like, you know,
this is a little too crazy. Make it a dream,
but end it with them about to apparently live out
the dream, and then just end the episode. You know,
it's not a two parter where the second part will
then be them living. Did you ever see that Lavern

(01:34:43):
and Shirley episode? I'm sorry what am I talking about here?
Did you ever see that Lavernon Cheurlely episode where they
they're in there is when they're in living in Hollywood
where they send a letter to their boss.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
It's so what happens I'll just say real quick, and
you're gonna think, Dan, what are you talking about? Just
bear with me for a moment. Everybody you heard me
talk about gun smoke, you know, but I'm just talking
about sort of dreams and imagine everything and something that.
So in this episode, they send a letter their boss
because they didn't get a promotion. They didn't get something.
It's a nasty letter and they mean to him and
they say, we quit. And then at the very end

(01:35:18):
of the day they discovered they didn't get the promotion.
So they rush like to the top floor of the
building or whatever, and they see their boss like in
his office getting a stack of letters with their letter
on top, and he's about to read them when he
gets like a phone callers, I haven't seen the episode
in a while. He gets like a phone call or
something and he has to leave. So they see him
set the letters down on the front of his desk.

(01:35:41):
He has like an alarm in his office. He sets
an alarm for his office, locks the door, and leaves.
Then it cuts to Laverna, Shirley Lennyd squreing and Carmine
doing a Mission Impossible style break in, breaking into his office.
They can't touch the floor because the alarm will go off.
They steal the letter, they get out of there, get
out to the parking lot, like tear up the lighter

(01:36:02):
or something like that. We did it, And then the
moment they do it, it cuts to Laverne in their
apartment with everybody and she's pointing it like a poster
board or something that has arrows of things, and she says,
that's the way we're going to do it, and then
it says to be continued, and the next episode is
them doing the heist that we saw them pulling imagine

(01:36:22):
in an imaginary version in the first one, except they
get it all wrong and it keeps going screwy. So
if you've watched the first episode, you base it's like
the first episode is like the dream we see here,
and then if there were a second episode to this one,
it would be them going in the house with our
knowledge and their knowledge of what's happening. And so that's
a great fun the virtue. But I felt like, you

(01:36:44):
get to the end of this one and it really,
to me it feels like, like I said, a producer said,
you can't do that. That's a little too crazy. But
pretend like it's going to happen, and then end the episode, yeah,
which I kind of which I kind of like. And
then and then the last thing I'll say is they
they did you notice the way we go into the dream?

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
All right, so would you like to say the way
we go to do the dream? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
So the way it goes into the dream is they
are there in the middle of they're in a graveyard
and uh, and it shows Artemis uh laid down. I
think Jim is going to watch Yes, mister Day Uh.
And the sheriff has already fallen asleep and Artemis Uh,
I think he tells Artemists that he should go to
sleep too, or maybe Artemist is asleep and he tells

(01:37:33):
the sheriff it's one of the other. And then it
cuts to a shot of Artemis and it does the
kind of waving.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
Dream world.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
And one thing that's kind of interesting about the dream
is it's and I and I guess dreams are are
like this, although I don't think you see them in
movies or TV as much like this, But it isn't
from Artemis's You aren't really seeing it from Artemis's point
of view for a little bit where you see, uh,

(01:38:08):
mister Day go over to his wife. Uh tombstone or
headstone or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Yes, yeah, and there's that mom the mom's right or
is it someone's head the mom's headstone or is it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Oh, yes, or the mom's headstone. That's right, Yeah, it
doesn't matter. A lady's headstone, Yeah, lady's headstone. But I
think I think you're right. I do think it's it's
it's the mother. And there's actually a really cool shot
of like a really slow push in on the name
that that that that definitely felt like a shot from
a horror movie. But yeah, but that that is how

(01:38:44):
it kind of how they how you enter into the dream.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
And and I'll say the thing that makes it weird
is that this is pre credits. Is pre credits scene
and you see Artemis and he goes all dream thing,
and then you see mister Day through the graveyard and
they he kind of bows down before the statue helped me,
help me, and then they grab him and drag him
back to the campsite, and then you kind of get

(01:39:08):
a slow pull in on the statue's face, which is
really nice. And then you get the opening credits. And
then when the opening credits end, do you remember the
first thing we see? And it's okay if you don't,
because I just wrote it down a few minutes ago.
It's the house, Okay, it is the house. Okay, So

(01:39:29):
the first thing you see is the house that they're
about to go to, which actually exists that Artemis has
never seen. And then it goes to a shot of
them kind of like like picking him up, moving him around,
trying to get him on the horse, and then taking
him to the house. And I realized when I was

(01:39:50):
watching this the second time that because they have the
opening credits there, and because you see the establishing shot
of the house, and because when cuts back to them,
they're kind of they're all woken up and wrangling him
back onto the horse, I didn't realize it was a
dream anymore. I lost track of the fact that it

(01:40:11):
was a dream because now they were away, and because
we saw that house, and because of several other things,
like and I wonder about this. We don't learn the
history of mister Day or mister Diaz and what he
did until the dream. So I'm wondering if that is
even what he was. If I'm wondering if all of that.

(01:40:33):
I mean, like, obviously it's a dream, so I don't
know if they go in the house, if everything will replicate.
But I'm wondering, like all we know about this guy
was that he was a trader. When we hear the story,
we learn about his family. That's all in the dream.
So I'm wondering if that's all like Artemis coming up
with something in his head or something like that. But
it's I think, and I'd love to know if there's

(01:40:56):
anyone listening who thought the same thing. When you see
the little of the dream, but then the moment it
goes to the credits, you see the house and then
you see them waking up, picking them up, putting them
on the thing. I thought we were like out of
the dream. I'd forgotten the dream was happening. And then
then when the episode ended and it became a dream
and they went to the house, I went back to

(01:41:17):
the beginning and so where's the dream start? And they thought, Oh,
it's before the credits. Is that fair? Because that the
the establishing shout of the house doesn't feel like a
dream thing to me. It feels like something And I thought, huh,
that does seem like a wild wild West to do
something weird like that. But uh, but yeah, it's it's

(01:41:38):
it's And this is probably just I mean, everyone listening
is probably like, you, dope, Yeah, of course he's in
a dream. But it was I I legitimately thought that
it sort of reset itself after the credits and we
were in real land, real world again.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Oh, gotcha. So yeah, so that didn't happen for me.
I I k you the whole time it was it
was a dream.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
I wish, I wish, I I I don't know why
I forgot that. I really don't. I mean, like I said,
I just gave the reasons why I think I did.
But I like, as like I said, when he woke
up and it was a dream, I was like, what,
oh wait a minute. But I kind of like the
way I watched it because I thought it was all
real until that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Yeah, you know, I actually, I mean, one of the
worst in endings in in uh movies is it's all
a dream. I mean, it's it rarely. I'm trying to
think of an example that that even works. I mean,
I guess, well, in the end, it's not. I guess
there's post dream sequences in Yall Hall and Drive True.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, and yeah mulhun Drivers.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Yeah that was pretty well.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
Yeah. Yeah. Like like here, like I said, I truly
believe that they're actually about to live out that adventure
in that house, because that's the thing, right, is that,
Like I said, normally you cut the dream ends at
a moment of crisis. Or something crazy happening at this moment.
The dream ends. They've won. They won, they did they

(01:43:14):
they got out of the house, the the the the
the trader has died, the rats are not going to
be released. Everything is great. And then he wakes up
from the dream. What an odd spot to wake up
from the dream. I mean, normally you're interrupted.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
Yeah, And it would it would almost make more sense
to have the dream in the episode if you had
Artemis wake up and say, hey, actually this guy is
innocent and and like and I I can't tell you
why right now, but that would have been and then
you it goes from there. It almost makes more sense
to include the dream if you have that yes in

(01:43:51):
the episode as well.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
If you were to like storm into the house and
like go directly to the room and Billy, yes, it's
behind here, it's behind here. Something like that. Yeah, Because
the thing about is the moment he wakes up from
the dream, the episode's over, right, you know, they've already
saved the day. And to have him have it be
a dream just I don't know, maybe maybe I I

(01:44:14):
I don't know. The episodes that come before it, maybe
they were a little dull and artemists just wanted some
excitement or something. But but yeah, it's a it's a dream, everybody,
and some people catch that it's a dream all the
way through, and some people apparently aren't paying attention.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
Well, hey, I mean I I mean in the Bonanza episode,
by the end of the episode, I had forgotten about
the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
And the true So we all have we all have
our foibles here everybody. But I mean, it's I think
it's a fun episode regardless of what it is. Yes,
it's it's it's fun to watch and and is it.
I think if they hadn't had an ending, the dream
would have made me go. But they actually get to
the ending and then it becomes a dream and you're

(01:44:59):
just like, huh. It's a different kind of disappointment because
the episode gave you the dramatic closure and then it says, oh,
that actually hasn't happened yet. Hmm, you're huh Okay, So
I'm gonna stop talking about why I should pay attention
to things more.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
All right, Well, I think, uh, well that is all
I have for U for this episode. Did you have
anything else? I feel like I think we covered it
pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
Yeah, I mean, I could probably ramble on for another
ten minutes. Like I said, I mean, I mean, it's
got everything. I mean there's one point right where like
mister Day is walking down a hallway and he's suddenly
like deaged by like thirty years. Yeah, and he stops
and like presses on the wall and like it pops
open and there's a switch covered in cobwebs, and he
throws the switch and of course there's a switch there,

(01:45:53):
you know, and they drop and as as the guys
are trying to they drop through a trap door in
the ground. Of course there is, of course there is
Grandfather clock go off at midnight, rats everywhere, of course
there is. It's it's it's got It's like they're throwing
everything at you, and I think it works.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Yeah, Now the de aging thing is almost it almost
makes me think even though the title is about the
uh you know, the man eating house, that kind of
makes you think that he actually drained the blood like yes,
for himself. But it's also a dream, so we're dealing
with dream lone.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
Yeah. Yeah, there's one one more interesting thing. And just
when they when they leave the house in the end,
before the dream is is I was gonna say revealed,
but some of us already knew it was a dream before.
Before the dream ends, there's a great moment where they're like,
they're they're like they they come out of the house
and they're they're holding him up, holding mister Day up,

(01:46:54):
and then it cuts to a long shot of them
setting mister Day down against a pillar and Jim is
on one send an Artemis is setting him an Artemis
is blocking him and they walk a few feet. Then
all of a sudden, mister Day jumps up with a
gun and he's like aged back into an old guy. Yes,
But the the cool thing is that for a split second,

(01:47:16):
as Artemis is turning around in the long shot, you
can see that they've already he's already deaged. He's already
become old again. And I like to think maybe he
goes grows old again in like a second, like he
was old when Artemis set him down. As Artemis is turning,
he ages thirty years rather than he'd age and they
had noticed this huge beard and everything like that. But

(01:47:37):
that was a fun moment. I was like, oh, you
can see his aged already. Yeah, but that's all I got.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
It's a fun episode, yo, Yeah, Yeah, it is definitely
a really really entertaining episode. All right, well, Dan, I think, gosh,
this was this was tremendous. I actually I'm very happy
overall with how these episodes turned out, because, yeah, they
they could have been. This could have been a disaster, this.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
Could have been Yes, I was hoping wild Wild Wiest
wouldn't be, but I was unsure about the other two
just because yeah, just because yeah. But overall, yeah, the
writing was solid and you know, and any pacing issues
are mostly our own issues with you know, our what
we're used to.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
So I think, yeah, yeah, but no, I think, uh geez,
I think we we do need to bring this to
an end. I'm I'm uh and I'm getting a little
exhausted at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:48:37):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
All right, well, Dan, this was tremendous. Thanks so much.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
Thank you as always, as always, I.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
Hope you enjoyed this episode. It was great to have
Dan back on the show. And he'll be returning soon
and we'll be getting back to Gunsmoke when he does.
We'll be back in two weeks with a new guest
and a really fun topic. We're talking about Western episodes
of the two Twilight Zone. I love the Twilight Zone,
so I'm really looking forward to talking about a few
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