Episode 22: Gunsmoke Episodes 10-12 w/ Dan Budnik

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to Tumbleweeds and TV Cowboys, a classic Western
film and TV podcast. My name is Hunter. This week
Dan Budnick is back to talk about gun smoke. We've
got a good batch of episodes. We've got our first
scripted Sam Peckinpah episode of the season and a holiday episode.
So let's get right into it. Here's our conversation on
gun smoke.

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Speaker 2 (01:03):
Welcome back, Dan. How's it going going?

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Okay? Ready to talk some more gunsmoke?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh awesome? Yes, I'm absolutely ready. Especially I mean we're
in I think for some fun discussion tonight because we've
got there's an episode called Magnus and Holy Moses wedd
an episode I can't wait to get into that. We
will wait, though, a little bit, because it is the
last episode recovering. But before we start getting into gunsmoke,

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do you have any projects you want to talk about
or do you want to tell us what's going on
with eventually Supertrain?

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Oh well, let's see on the right now and eventually Supertrained.
We are discussing we have been for some months. We
were discussing Bronc. My friend Christopher Blind and myself discussing Bronc,
a mid seventies cop show with Jack Palance, myself and
my friend Mitchell Hadley, author and the gentleman behind the site.
It's about TV discussing Garrison's Guerrillas. And I recently started

(01:59):
with my good friend Amy Conqueror. We started talking about
the twenty seventeen series Ghosted, and that's where we are
right now on those. And I believe, unless something has
gone horribly wrong when you're hearing this, the second volume
of my Doctor Who books should be out. It's called
when I say read Read one Fellow's Journey through Doctor

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Who Volume two, nineteen seventy nine to twenty twenty five.
It goes up to the episode that aired on May
thirty first of this year. So you can go on
Amazon and type in Daniel Budnick b Dnik and you'll
see it. Or when I say read read or Doctor
Who Books and stuff, it should come.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Up all right. Awesome, Yeah, definitely support Dan, and I'm
going to include a link to your author page in
the show notes that people can find your books that way. Yeah,
and definitely check out eventually Super Trained if you haven't already.
It's always a fun listen and Dan, We've got some
interesting episodes to talk about, Yes, So starting with episode

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ten the Q and this aired on December third in
nineteen fifty five, and it was directed by Charles Marky Warren.
And this is an important episode for Western fans because
it's the first scripted episode of TV written by one
of the great directors of Western's Sam Peck and Paw.
And there's a lot of background we could get into

(03:24):
with Peck and Paw, but I'm just going to start
with how he became acquainted with Charles Warren. So he
worked on five movies as an assistant with another great director,
Don Siegel, and Siegel was very impressed with Sam Peck
and Paw and recommended him to other directors to work
for them to work with him, and then this led

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to him working on a western directed by Charles Marky
Warren called Seven Angry Men, and Warren spoke very highly
of Sam's work on the movie and he said, Peck
and Paw did an excellent job working with the actors,
and he said sometimes it was too excellent. He said
that they would shoot a scene and after Warren would
call cut, the star of the movie, Raymond Massey, would
turn and ask Sam Peckinpah how the take was instead

(04:09):
of looking to Warren. And then when CBS wanted to
turn Gun Smoke into a series, they actually went to
Don Siegel first to see if he was interested, and he,
of course he passed on it, but he gave some
scripts to Peck and Paw and told him that he
should try to write for Gun Smoke, and Peg and

(04:31):
Paw was very excited by the scripts he read and
he felt like it was something he could do. And
since he was already on good terms with Warren, he who,
of course the network went to. After Siegel you turned
it down, Sam Pegan Paul made an appointment with him
and he asked if he could write an episode, and
Warren said he could write it on spec and so

(04:54):
he gave Sam Peckinpaw three scripts to choose from and
said to write whichever one you like the most, and
Peg and Pod shows the cue and it was it
was the first script that Sam Peg and Paul ever completed,
and he said it was it was hell because he
hated writing, and he said he couldn't sleep, and he
felt like he was going to die at any minute.

(05:15):
And then eventually he locked himself away somewhere out of
reach of a gun and got it done in one
big push. And Dan, is that how you write?

Speaker 4 (05:26):
I have written like that sometimes. Usually the way I
write is when i'm writing, I'm usually also working some
sort of day job. So I'm working, I'm writing on
the bus to work. I'm writing on breaks, I'm writing
on lunches, I'm writing when no one's looking. And then
I will consolidate things on a weekend that I've written

(05:49):
throughout the week and then sort of revise as I can.
So but I have had times when I have had
to be been on a very strict deadline and had
to just sit down and do it. But usually usually
I was one of those jerks in college who like,
if you had three weeks to do a paper, I
had it done by the first week, just because I

(06:09):
didn't like to have it hanging over my head. Yeah,
you know, I and so so like if I if
I if I get, you know, like, if I'm writing
an essay for like a booklet for a Blu ray
or something, and they give me a month, I'll have
it mostly written by like two weeks in. I'll give
myself the rest of the time just to sort of
look at it. And it's always nice too to turn
something in a little early. Sometimes it can be advantageous.

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But no, I know that feeling that that he has,
although I don't. I don't. I don't think I've ever
actually written anything where I felt like I was going
to die. I have had certain moments during my day
jobs where I thought I'm not going to make it
through this day. But writing no, I've never had that.
But that sounds like Sam, though, I mean, that's.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Absolutely yes, Yes, now Warren, he loved the script, and
I paid Sam Peck and Palud nine hundred dollars for it,
and Peck and Ball he got paid nine hundred dollars
for each additional script he wrote. Now, Dan, Now, I
don't think i've ever heard you talk about Peck and
Pop before. Are you a fan?

Speaker 4 (07:09):
I am, I'm not. I'm not a huge fan, but
the and I still have. I have not seen all
of his films, but I do quite. I mean, I
love the Wild Bunch. Yeah. I grew up with what
was the book the Fifty Worst Films of All Time
book from one of the Medved brothers, which had Bring
Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia in it as one
of the fifty worst films of All times. When I

(07:30):
finally saw it, I thought, that's actually a pretty good movie.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Oh, and awesome it is.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
I love I Love to get Away, I love straw Dogs,
I am. I am a fan of I have not
seen all of his stuff yet, but every time I
see one of his films, I enjoy them and I
just I just I just sort of like there's something
about him that's sort of like an interesting sort of character.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Oh definitely, Yeah. I love Peck and Pap Bring Me
the Head About Fraid of Garcia is actually one of
my top twenty favorite of all time. I love Crazy
Wonderful Time. Yeah. All right, well, Dan, I think at
this point we should probably get into the synopsis. What's
this episode about?

Speaker 4 (08:11):
The Q starts off with the waiting on a stagecoach
to arrive. There's a there's a large, sweaty man who
I'm just gonna call sweaty, because you know me, I
always forget to write people's names down. But there's a large, sweaty,
sort of pious man who's waiting for the he's he's
the guy where the stage coach shows up. He he
helps people off and presumably when it is leaving, he

(08:31):
helps people on, and he's like the he's like the
like like what's her name on the love boat? Who
would like say, Hi, welcome to the love boat. You know,
what's what's your name there? Lauren Tweeze? Is that what
I forget? I don't know, but the you know, basically
the hospitality person for when you arrive in Dodge City,

(08:53):
Welcome to Dodge City. There's the hotel, there's a saloon,
there's the doctor's office, that kind of thing. And he's there,
and a stage coach arrives and the only person on
the stage coach is a Chinese gentleman who I want
to say is name Chin, but I could be horribly
racist when I say that it was his name Chin?
Yes it is okay, okay, And he gets off the

(09:15):
stage chokes, and oddly enough, the only other two people
who are watching the stage coach come in are two
brothers who are incredibly well, i'm gonna say, don't like
the fact that there's a Chinese gentleman coming into Dodge City.
They tell a story about they I think they once
had like a claim for something gold or something like that,

(09:37):
and they left it to do whatever they was they
needed to do with it. When they came back and
there were like a dozen Chinese gentlemen there, and their
brother was dead, and all the guys had cleared out
everything that was in the claim. And so these two
brothers don't like the Chinese gentleman arriving because he says,
once one arrives, the place is going to fill up

(09:58):
with the Chinese. And and so they try to put
him back in the stage coach. Literally they pick him
up and they do a one two three, like he's
a kid, you're thrown in a pool. And but luckily
Matt Matt sees him and comes on over and says,
you know, don't don't do that, don't do that. Be
nice to him. He's he's welcome in our town. And

(10:20):
the the the the sort of the sort of dual
thing with with mister Chin is that the two brothers
don't like him immediately because he's Chinese. But they also
see that he has this small box which they claim
is a treasure box, and every Chinese gentleman has one
and it's filled with gold and jewels, precious things. So
they want him out of town, but they also want

(10:40):
this treasure box. And and Matt says, you know, he'll
protect Chin, but then you know, the next day they
find out that the two brothers have basically broken into
Chin's apartment or room and cut off his pigtail, which
is called a que. And at that point Chin goes
from being kind of of just kind of like, you know,

(11:02):
leave me alone, let me, let me live my life,
let me do my thing. He's there to make money
to bring his wife over from China. But the moment
the Q is stolen, that's a that's a that's a
that's ah not a status civil side of stide of
like it's it's a it's a it's a thing of honor,
uh to have it, and when you have it removed,
it's not good. So you have these two brothers who

(11:24):
basically are going to it's implied, going to get more
violent to get him out of town and get his
treasure box. And then you also have Chin, who now
because they stole his queue and won't give it back,
is insinuing that he's going to become violent towards them.
And the middle of it all, you have Matt and
you have this enormously sweaty man who works for the
stagecoach company, and things escalate as you might expect.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
But I'll leave it there, all right, Well, Dan, what
did you think of this episode?

Speaker 4 (11:55):
You know, I I quite like the episode. I I
felt like at times that that that Warren had gone
into the future and seen some peck and Paw things
and come back and added bits of it to some
of the way he directed some of it, just because
you know, there's the like with Alfredo Garcia and wildlike,

(12:18):
there's there's violence, there's kind of general gross people things
like that, which is that's not it's more artful than
that when peck Apaw doesn't mean you don't, I mean,
but like there's there there's a moment in it when
a scene starts in the in the in the saloon
and the sweaty guy is drinking a beer and it's
a close up of his face. His face is glistening,

(12:41):
shining with sweat, and the beer is just dripping out
of his mouth across his beard, and it's like and
the camera pans out of it. It's like the grossest,
most viscerally gross thing, like like, oh god. And I'm
imagining people watching ninety fifty five on smaller TVs that
didn't have his clear definition don't get as full of

(13:02):
kicking the face as when you watch it on a
fifty inch high deft screen right in front of you.
Because I saw it, almost lost my lunch and I
thought that feels kind of pecking paw you to me
to kind of throw something like in there, like that
in there and you're like, oh, I kind of give
you the character. And then there's a moment later on
where Doc is removing a tooth from Chin's mouth and

(13:23):
the camera just kind of sits there as Doc is
tearing the tooth out of his mouth, and it was
so uncomfortable to watch. It's such a weird. It's such
a weird scene, and I think they're kind of playing
it for laughs. I didn't. I didn't find it particularly funny.
I found it kind of like harrowing watching, you know,
a nineteenth century dentistry right in front of my face.

(13:48):
But overall, I think it's I think it's I think
it's it's a very good episodes. It's it's a well,
it's a well you can you got when it's said
I forgot, I think you told me that Peck and
Pod had written this, but I'd forgotten, And so when
his name came up in the end, I thought, oh, yeah,
I can see that just in the way sort of
he deals with all the characters. And it's I like
too that there's sort of there there's sort of uh,

(14:12):
I don't I don't quite know how to describe, like
a general. There's there's like sort of a fairness almost here,
like the brothers are crappy and rotten, but there is
something too about Chen saying he's going to kill them.
I think there's a point where there's there's a point
right near the end where you know, Chin is basically
saying I'm gonna kill these two brothers if they don't

(14:32):
give me my que back, and and uh, and Matt
says something along the lines of well, you know, well,
you know you and this this is you can you
can take her, take her leave this line of you,
but you know you are in America now, and if
you're going to come here and kill two people, you know,
murder two people over a pigtail. Maybe you shouldn't, maybe

(14:55):
you should be here. And it's which which made to
me is kind of like it's kind of like a
sort of balancing the sides a bit like, Yeah, this guy,
obviously chin Is, has been done horribly wrong, and you're
glad to see, well, it's it's interesting what they do
with the brothers in the end, but you're glad to
see sort of justice for him in the end. But
there is the moment of you can't go around that's

(15:18):
that's that's kind of that's a crime too doing that.
And so so I like that there there's sort of
an even handedness to it, and there's a feeling as
you're go along that you don't quite know where it's
going to go. And then when it kind of gets there,
I don't know, I think I think it. I think
it works really well, and I'm you know, I'm glad

(15:40):
that big sweaty guy isn't going to be a regular character,
but overall, I think it's a good episode. And and
and again there's another another moment, Oh gosh, that that
moment where the sweaty guys like touching miss Kitty. Oh yeah,
oh gross town us a baby yuck? Oh you just
it's just And there are several moments in it which

(16:00):
felt very different, I don't want to say mature, but
a little more slightly advanced than where the show has been.
And I obviously Pegan pau is directing it, but who knows.
He may have included that in his script. You know,
you're not supposed to, but he may have said, like
close up of the sweaty guy beard dripping all over

(16:20):
you know, something like that, And and Warren went with
it because he could see that Peck and Pop was
was was good yea. But overall, I think it's a
sharp it's it's yeah, it's it's a sharply written episode.
I mean, there, there, there, there is the you do
sort of wonder at the beginning are the two brothers
sitting because they don't particularly seem to like the sweaty guy,

(16:42):
So are they sitting Do they just happen to be
sitting there when the stage coach arrives, or are they
sitting there to vet people who come into town?

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Hmmm?

Speaker 4 (16:52):
That was my thought because then I thought, isn't it weird?
That like the moment he said, the second and third
people that see him instantly try to throw him back
in the stage coach and make him leave. That's that
seems weird. Then I thought, but what if that's something
they do, you know, just casually, Hey, he is this
coach here yet? It'll be here soon. Okay, Well we'll
just sit down for a few minutes. And oh but

(17:15):
it's a nice bunch of white people, good good, good,
good good, that kind of thing, you know, And and
so so that occurred to me the second time I watched,
and I thought, I bet they're monitoring people coming into town.
But and yeah, oh roll. I think it's a sharp episode.
It moves nicely. It does have a few moments, like

(17:36):
I said, of the moments that I mentioned visually, and
it does have It does have what might be a scene.
I'll talk about this after you you talk for a bit,
but it has a scene in it that I think
is I don't know if it's my most the most favorite.
I don't know it's if it's my I'm gonna say
the most favorite scene yet, but there's a scene in

(17:58):
it that I just absolutely loved, not because it made
me smile, or happy or giggle but because well, I'll
tell you in a minute. But but yeah, there's a
scene in the middle that I absolutely is probably my
favorite scene so far in the series because I think
it sums up a lot of the show for me.
But I'm gonna tell I'm gonna say it after you
you start gapping.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Oh okay, and I I have a feeling I know
which scene it is, but I'm looking forward to, uh
hearing whether you confirm or or unconfirmed denied suspicions. Yeah,
but uh, yeah, I thought this episode was pretty good.
I uh, this is actually kind of like the second

(18:41):
episode that is dealt with racial prejudice, and and it
is dated, I mean obviously, yes, uh, but I think
it's still interesting that they are attempting something like this
on TV at this time.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Yeah, and when you think about it, right nineteen five,
oh yeah, primetime, it it seems a bit and especially
I'm sorry that two when chin is talking very much
like like a super stereotypical Chinaman. But then later on
the dentist's office, he's talking regular, He's not talking like
that these you know. He says, well, all you white

(19:14):
people expect us to talk like that, and I find
it's easier to do what you expect me to do,
because if I end up talking like and you don't
expect me to be talking that way, then it causes trouble.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, that is a really good moment. Yeah, I actually
thought so. The sweaty Man is played by Sebastian Cabot. Oh, yes,
that's yeah. And I thought he was good and kind
of an interesting villain. I mean, he's not really a villain.

(19:46):
He's kind of somebody that the Brothers are just able
to take advantage of because he's, you know, an alcoholic
and maybe some worse things than that too. But yeah,
and also so Cabot's actually in a short lived series
I wanted to ask you about. Are you familiar with
Circle of Fear?

Speaker 4 (20:05):
I know of Circle of Fear, and I've been That's
one that's on my eventually super trained shortlist. But now
after seeing this, I want to run a long mile
from Sebastian Cabot.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Well, he doesn't sweat from what I've seen. I watched
a few episodes at some point, and I enjoyed them
quite a bit. I know Richard Matheson was the series creator.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Okay, well, now I'm more interested again.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, yeah, and I think I think Cabot is only
like a host. I think he only is there for
like intros and outros. But it's an interesting series. If
you're a horror hound out there, I think it's worth
checking out. But back to the queue. Yeah, I like
the villains. I like how they're introduced, and and I

(20:49):
like it like Cabot is like kind of judging all
these people in the town. I can't remember exactly what
he's saying, but the Brothers at one point point out
that for a man who's obsessed with other people's salvation,
it's a little unusual that he spends his evenings drinking
at the Long Branch saloon. Yes, and uh, and I
I really really loved the scene in the Long Branch

(21:13):
saloon where it's crowded because there's like there's a buy one,
get one drink special, and which I thought was kind
of funny to think about that, but but it brings
in a bunch of customers and some of them are
giving Marshall Dillon a hard time. There is some great
dialogue in this scene, and I think it's very well acted.

(21:33):
And I think I don't know how you this is
how you say his name, is it Key Luke? Yeah, Okay.
I think I think he's just I really think he's
doing the best he can with what he has to
work with. I think that they give him some Some
of his dialogue is maybe I don't know if it's

(21:54):
just dated, but some of it, like like he talks
about he says at one point that his he and
his wife have been married since he was eight and
she was two, Okay, And I was just like, is
this a joke or like, I can't imagine. I just
don't know what was going through back in Paul's mind.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
You almost think at the same time, where Matt said
to him, don't don't kill two people over a pigtail,
he might have said so like, and you don't want
to bring up that nine and two thing again. Where
you come from, that might be charming here, it's it's
all kinds of trouble.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, but no, but I did think he was good
and we and we already talked about this. But the
moment where he speaks in his regular accent for the
first time, I thought was it was a good moment. Now,
there there are some pretty major changes from the radio version,
so Cabot's character is not in the radio version at all.

(22:54):
It's just the brothers that are that they're that are
the only villains. And in the end, uh Chen is
is killed. He's actually he's strangled to death with his cue.
And then and but there, I guess, is a struggle
and and and Chin before he's killed. He he actually

(23:16):
stabs one of them to death, and he stabs the
other one as well. But that that that one that person.
I can't remember which character gets stabbed and which one survived,
which one dies, and which one survives. But there's a
trail of blood that Chester and Matt follow, and then
Matt kills that guy. And then I really wish that

(23:38):
they had done this in the adaptation. But when they
go through Chen's box, they find a piece of paper
and instead of it being a marriage license, there's a
note that says it like in recognition of his invaluable service,
intelligence and and something in some army campaign. I actually,

(23:58):
I don't know why. The rest of the radio episode
sounded good, but I had a hard time understanding William
Conrad at this point. But the note basically said that
Chen was granted a full US citizenship and it was
signed by President Grant.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
And Matt says he's going to bring the letter to
Fort Dodge and see if they can give Chin a
military burial, and then he tells Chester bring these other
guys up to boothill and dig a hole and throw
a minute. But I really wish they had done that

(24:36):
ending and also stuck with the military service instead of
him having a wife, because I think that that's just
a little more unique. Yes, yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
That is a surprise more than I'm here to make
money to bring my wife over kind of thing. Is Yeah,
seems fairly standard.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, definitely, but yeah, but still overall, I thought it
was I thought it was a pretty solid episode. Did
you have any other thoughts on this one?

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Well, I I a couple. I I did like in
the end that because because what happens at the very
end spoilers ever Boughty is that uh yeah, uh Sweaty
uh is is basically beaten Chin to try to get
the treasure box, and then when he gets the treasure box, uh,
he's he's going to kill Chin. But then Matt shows

(25:25):
up and Matt shoots Sweaty, and then the brothers show
up like five seconds later, as Chin standing there with
the gun in his hand, like, look at that, mister Dillan,
he shot Sweaty, just coming over here to help him out.
And uh, and you know, Marshall says, actually I shot
Sweaty and we noticed that he has your gun. And
uh and then and and and gradually as Matt and

(25:50):
Chin talk, and at one point, Chin does something I
thought was rather lovely where he's got he's got the
gun in his hand and he hands it to the
brother He hands it to one of the brothers. That's
a rather brave I mean, Marshall Dillon is standing there,
of course, but still but still, but it's kind of
interesting because you do get to see and it's one

(26:12):
of those endings with the brothers where the brothers don't
apologize for being jack balls, they don't apologize for being
horrible people, but you could see that they're like, Okay, yeah,
you know, he doesn't have a treasure. We made a mistake.
Here's here's your queue back. And they do that sort
of thing where you like, you get with people who
are a bit on the like sort of crazy fanatical side,

(26:33):
where if you if you prove them wrong, you can
sort of see that they realize it, but they ain't
gonna say it, and you never know what they're going
to do next once you know tomorrow, you know tomorrow,
they could be sitting there waiting for the next thing
to happen. But that's kind of a kind of an
interesting moment there. I don't know if that's you know,
I don't I was particularly interested at seeing the two

(26:55):
brothers get any sort of redemption, but it is. It
is sort of nice to see them be like, Okay, yeah,
we we we judge that one all wrong. They'll probably
drink and forget it in the morning. And I'll tell
I'll tell you the scene. Yeah you mentioned the scene.
It's the scene with all the rowdy guys. Yeah, now
now here, because here's what happens is yeah, miss Kitty is.

(27:15):
I don't know what Miss Kitty does exactly, apart from
you know, be h. I love some I love some
of her deliveries, some of her when she's complaining about
all these guys being in there and everything. A few
of the ways she delivers the lines are quite funny. Yeah,
and I like her quite a bit. But but there's
there's just there's just a scene there where these two
two guys from coming from Texas or something who are

(27:37):
like apparently ranch hands together something. They start fighting and
Matt tries to stop, you know, stops it and says,
you want to fight, go outside. And then and then
as the guys are kind of giving Matt sass and
they're kind of, you know, kind of look like sweaty,
dumb guys. But then there's this one guy sitting there
who looks like he's like a lawyer or something I
don't know, who's clearly like smarter than Matt, who keeps

(27:58):
coming in like every seconds to saying, well, Marshall, you
just said this. Does that mean you want them to
do this? Well, no, I didn't want them to do that.
And the more sort of Matt talks and the more
these people talk to him, the more it just becomes
a frustrating conversation to him. Then the brothers come in
and he says, I want that I want that pigtail.
We don't have any pigtail. I want that pigtail. Marshall,

(28:19):
why are you going on and out about pigtails? You
make it a collection? And suddenly everyone's laughing at Matt
and he's just trying to you know, and It's like
the two guys at the bar are laughing at him,
and the two brothers are laughing at him because they
won't admit anything, and this one kind of smart guy's
just sitting there every once in a while saying something,
you know, intelligent but rude, and so it becomes The
thing I love about the scene was just it made

(28:40):
me so anxious because you realize that the way Matt's
power works in a town like this, and the way
a town like this works is you have to have
people that acknowledge that Matt's in charge. And when you
have people like this who aren't from around here and
are passing through here for the night for free drinks,

(29:01):
they're just goofing. They don't care. And so you can
see Matt like losing his like cred as I mean,
I was surprised they didn't cut to a shot of
Miss Kitty maybe looking up at him, like, Oh, Matt,
what's going on, because you sort of like, throughout the
scene you see him like, like I said, like he
just because they're they're like I said, they are five
guys sort of coming at him and and and he's

(29:23):
trying to be sturdy and strong in the middle of it,
and they're kind of sassed at him, and everyone in
the saloon's laughing at him, and he's trying to keep order,
and you can tell even even when he gets really
up close to one of him and says, you turn around,
face that bar and finish a drink, like the guy
next to him's kind of half laughing at him. And
so he realized that the Dodge City works with the
marshal in charge. When you have people that realize that

(29:47):
he's the marshal and you follow, you know, you you
if the Marshal says something, you do it. You don't
sass back, You don't you know, you know, double back
on something. He said, Well you you just said this,
but now you're saying this and dada. You don't. You know,
you don't do that, and you don't you don't laugh
at the Marshal because once you do, once you do, like,
it's anarchy, it's craziness. It's it's like it's it's like

(30:08):
the world that Matt lived in with that goofy guy
from a few episodes back. You know that one Grizzly
you know, the the the the.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
The Hunter Hunter.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Yes, yes, that kind of that that's what that's what
it becomes like where there's no it's almost like suddenly
there's no law at all. If people and and and
you see that like sometimes in life, right, I mean,
like like if you're in a situation like the reason
why certain things like events or this or that, you know,
like the reason why so many different sorts of people
can travel on the bus going to different places, different backgrounds,

(30:39):
different this and different this, different that every day is
because you sit on the bus quietly and then you
get off the bus. But then you get the crazy people.
Then you get the people who yell. Then you get
the people who take up a lot of seats or
who push other people or who do stuff like that,
And like what do you do when that starts to happen.
The bus driver ain't gonna do anything. Yeah, So all

(30:59):
you can hope for is that you get to the
end of your ride and you don't get you don't
get pushed around, or you don't have to get involved
in something that maybe that may go that may go wrong.
And so so that that scene with Matt to me
is kind of like shows how so precarious Matt's power
is there at at a moment like that, he's got

(31:22):
no more power or hold over these men do than
like the town plumber. And it's it's it's like, it's
it's it's a it's it's a really like the first
time I watched the scene, I came out of it going, oh,
that just made me really anxious. And then the second
team is the time I thought, actually, that's this is
a really good scene like this. And the thing is,

(31:42):
the unfortunate thing is if the brothers had come in
when he wasn't in the middle of that, he could
have maybe had a proper conversation with them. But because
when the brothers come in, Matt's already arguing with three
people and half the saloon is laughing at him. The
brothers are like, oh, take full advantage. Oh what why
are you so crazy about a pigtail? Ah, and we're

(32:02):
all But if if, if, if, if he had caught
the brothers like outside, he could have actually talked to them.
But in the middle of it here, there's nothing Matt
can do. It just spirals out of control until he's
like he basically has to say, you know what, no
one knew anything terrible and leave completely ineffectual and it's like, ah,
but it's great too. Like I said, it's a thin line.

(32:22):
He's walking to keep any sort of justice here and
sometimes if people won't play. And it's not it's not
like a crazy person. It's not like that crazy Hunter
guy who I don't live by any laws. The people
in this bar, all of them live by the same
law as Matt does. But they know that it only
goes so far, and that they're more of him, more

(32:44):
of them than there are of him, and and so
it's like it's also it's all precarious. And I kind
of really love that scene because that was like, oh boy,
this is this is I know the Dodge City is
not a nice place, but that that scene kind of
kind of almost cements it because it's not it's not
crazy people doing it. It's just regular guy. I mean,

(33:05):
the two guys who get in a fight, they they
say they they're fighting just because they just want to
have a little fight.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, yeah, they just it's just it's just a fun
time for them.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
They're just they're just you know, they've probably been on
the ranch or whatever doing whatever all week long. They're
just blown off a little steam. But because Matt stands
up and does that it all gets pushed out of
proportion and everything like that. I'm going on too long
about this scene, but I just think. I just think,
to me, it's like a centerpiece for sort of this
is how this is where Dodge City can go in

(33:38):
a second. Yeah, And and luckily it doesn't happen that often,
but it can.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah. And there's one line in the scene that really
stood out to me where, yeah, where the brothers come
in and you know, and and Matt is, you like,
demanding they hand over the pig tail, and I think
he says something along the lines of like he'll, like,
if he has to, he'll like beat it out of
them or something like that. And and of course he's

(34:07):
saying that right after he's just stopped these people from
having a fistfight, and the like intelligent lawyer guy or
you know whatever he is, Lawyer's fine for him. He
says something like, so if you're hiding behind a badge,
it's okay to beat people up, and and you can

(34:29):
and you can tell my mass reaction. He's kind of like, well,
he he is kind of right, although I really don't
want him to be right because I would love to
beat these guys up right now.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
It's so true because it's like, like I said, there
are certain sort of rules that you need to follow
in order for it to all stop falling into anarchy,
and one of them is kind of not mentioning that,
and by by lawyer Guy mentioning that, it's sort of like, uh,
it kind of spins everything away from and he basically,
like I said, at the end of the scene, he

(35:02):
just fakes like no one knew anything bad and he leaves.
He doesn't quite do that, you don't mean, but it is.
It's interesting to see because he's always he's always thinking
it was sort of very heroic and doing the best
he can, and here he tries to do the best
he can. But every it's just, you know, it's one
of those things like if you've ever if you've ever
been bullied or something, and you and you you run

(35:22):
into your bulliards and you try to you try to
charm them and you try to be nice to them
or something, and for a couple of moments you think, oh,
I'm succeeding, they're not going to beat me up today,
and then all of a sudden it just turns and
like no matter what you say to them, they throw
it back at you and it just gets worse and
worse and there's nothing you can do. And that's kind

(35:44):
of what happens to Matt. It's a good scene. Good scene. Yeah,
But that's about all I had I think on this.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, that's all I had too. But yeah, definitely a
pretty solid episode. I enjoyed it all right. So that
brings us to episode eleven. And this is titled General
Parsley Smith. It aired on December tenth in nineteen fifty five,
and it was and this was written by John Dunkle.
Now I don't know if you remember that name, but
he is the writer of our least favorite episode, The Hunter.

(36:14):
Oh yeah, Dan, I mean have you will we be
able to erase that character from our memory someday?

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Probably not, especially if they like Star Trek the Next Gen.
U said, have him come back like three or four
times later out of the run, like six seasons from now,
I'm back. Usually what they did that kind of thing
on Next Gen. It was really good. But here I
fear here, I fear that won't go well. Man. I

(36:46):
say one thing real quick, regarding the tombstones.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Oh yeah, of course, always.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
I'm watching the tombstones, and I think we mentioned before
you know some of them are really ed woody.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, oh absolutely, And but that I'm.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Also sort of wondering that, like like when he's standing
in there and he's kind of thinking about, you know,
like you said, William Connras, dig a hole, throw them
all in it kind of thing. I mean, these these
are meant to be right, just like little shoddy things,
aren't they Like pieces like because there's there's one in
the foreground during the que that's like got a huge

(37:20):
crack like in the center of it, and I thought,
I guess these are supposed to be just like for
unloved people. They write it down on a piece of wood,
pound it into the ground and it falls apart. Maybe
they replace it, maybe they don't. So I mean some
of them are really wobbly though, I mean, but but
but but I'm trying to justify it because he keeps

(37:41):
walking through them.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah no, yeah, maybe, uh maybe that's pretty accurate. But yeah,
but I mean some of them though, are like some
of this get pulled straight out of the earth.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Yeah. If if Tor Johnson would have run through there,
the whole thing would just collapse, like Domino's it would
be horrible. Yeah, And there was I forgot there. There
was one moment in the queue when Matt is talking
about and he's actually his opening speech is very much
like you know, what do you do when you have
someone who who you know, hates someone else for who
they are and also wants to steal from them. Yeah,

(38:16):
But and then he's talking and talking, and he's kind
of in the distance a long shot walking amongst the graves,
and then all of a sudden it cuts to a
close ave him and it almost like a freeze. It's
like almost like a freeze frame. I'm Marshall, Matt Dillon,
Dodge City, and then it cuts back to the long shot.
And I laughed because I thought that was did that.
I wonder if anyone else thought that was funny, just

(38:36):
just just the way they cut to him. It's almost
like it's almost like him turning the camera and go, hey, everyone,
welcome the show. Don't do drugs all right, kind of
stuffing like that.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Oh I wish I wish that at the end of
each episode he had some sort of message for the for.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
The whole thing, Yeah, Joe kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
That would be awesome.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
So we're talking about Parsley.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, Parsley Smith.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
And so yeah, this is a this is a John
Dunkle joint. And we've got another bearded character in this episode,
and this time he's played by Raymond Bailey, who, of
course best known as Melbourne Drysdale from Beverly Hills. Beverly
Hills Billies, a series that I know, you know very
well I do. And he's actually he's in a lot
more Westerns than I would expect him to be in.

(39:24):
He was in episodes of Have Gun, Will Travel, he
was in Laramie, Bonanza, Wagon Train, and The Riflemen. So
I mean he was in, you know, a lot of
the big western shows. And then in kind of in
the other supporting roles, there's an actor who I'm not
completely unfamiliar with. James O'Rear plays Drew Holt. I don't

(39:45):
recognize him from anything. I know. He has a bit
part in Chinatown, but I don't know who he is
in it. And then John Alderson is in this and
he plays Nash, and he's in a ton of Westerns.
He's in two other episodes of Guns, Smoke and Dan.
He's in four episodes of Doctor Who, playing Wyatt.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Irp, Oh my gosh, that's right.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Should we should we cover those from should we cover
those episodes at some point?

Speaker 4 (40:12):
But after the Gunfighters, Oh my gosh, yeah, that's that's
they go to. They go that's a gunfighter. That's from
season of season three, that's early nineteen sixty six. That
it's a four parter. It's it's kind of a comedy, okay.
But but the fourth episode is the gunfight at the
ok Corral. I thought I recognized him. I sat here

(40:33):
the whole time going and I was not thinking. I
was not thinking British shows. Oh wow, he so he
plays whitet RB. Yes, that's that's because because the doctor
keeps calling him mister warp okay's kidding it. And there's
a great moment where they locked the doctor in a
in a cell because the Clintons are coming to try

(40:54):
to lynch him, and so the doctors in the cell
and and and why it's giving him a gun and
the doctor keeps saying, like people keep giving me guns.
I do wish they wouldn't. And because actually the reason
why they go there to tie this over the last episode,
the doctor has a toothache and Doc Holliday has just
graduated as a dentist and said, is uh set his
giant tooth out and his dentist's office and near the

(41:17):
OK Corral. And but but no, there's there's there's a
moment I love where Yeah, gosh, that's him where uh
the doctor's in the cell with his gun and he
yells mister worp, mister worp, and and why it comes
over and says, what what is it? Doc? And and
the doctor is doing that thing where you spin the
spin the gun on your finger, you know, you spin it,

(41:38):
catch it and you spin it, catch it. He goes,
watch this and he spins it and catches it. And
then he spins it and catches it, and he goes,
look at that. Can you do that, mister where it
takes out a gun and does it sort of all
over the place. Oh, okay, it's it's a lovely. It's
it's a lovely. I like it quite a bit. But gosh,
yeah I knew I knew him from somewhere, and you
know me, I never look it up. I like to

(41:59):
be surprised because I know you'll know where they're from.
And I like to be honestly surprised. Well, the Gunfighters.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
So at some point we should cover that because I
I've never seen an episode of Doctor Who from that era,
so so yeah, so I think that that'll be fun.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
It is a historical so there's no science fiction in it.
It's a it's it's it is a Western with comedy
in it. There's no there's no like, no aliens show
up and run the gun Fighter or anything like that.
It's it's the Clintons versus Wyatt and bat Masterson and
stuff like that, and Johnny Ringo shows up and and
all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Oh right, yeah, that sounds tremendous.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
I quite like it. Some some just some fans, it's
it's not a favorite, but then some fans aren't my favorite.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
So yeah, and even that's telling them I like that.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
That's that's and that yeah, this is this is ten
years later they see people, Oh my gosh, I now
I want to go watch the gun Fighters and it's
great because they used to not the Doctor Whose stories
back you know, before VCRs and things. And the novelization
of The Gunfighters is written as the it's the final
will and Testament of Doc Holliday. It goes into it

(43:14):
tells the real story of what happened at the Ok
Corral with a strange little man named the Doctor showed up.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Oh that's very cool and oh.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Gosh, okay, so anyway, I'm sorry that's it, but.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
That no problem. All right, Well Dan, can you give
us a synopsis for this one?

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Yes, uh, Matt has been out of town and and
actually wrote the names down for this one. So I
got I got General Parsley, I have Holt, and I
wrote down here Nash and he Nash was Nash. Nash
originally had two friends who was with him when he
joined Holtz Bank, but they get fired in the beginning.

(43:53):
Crosby and Stills. You don't see him after the beginning.
But but no, that I just know why I did that.
That's I write stupid notes sometimes. So anyways, so this one,
the premise is there's a second bank in Didge City.
It's worn by this man named Holt. He has this
man who I know is why, who's named Nash, who
is like a criminal, gun slinging criminal who Matt recognizes

(44:16):
is being his like security guard. And he's running the bank.
And everyone's kind of excited to have a second bank
in the town. But there's this strange man named General.
He calls himself General Parsley Smith, who has all sorts
of army credentials, or he tells people he has army credentials.
And he's telling everyone, don't go to Holt's bank, don't

(44:38):
give him any money, Marshall, get ab out of town.
He won't, he won't tell Marshall why. He's just saying,
do it, do it, do it. And it becomes this
gradually escalating thing where Holt and Nash are trying to
be calm about this old guy standing outside in front
of their bank, yelling all the time, but they're getting
angry and angrier, and Parsley is getting angry and angry,
and it's all building up into up to something happening

(45:02):
that we'll probably talk about in a moment. But it's
basically a strange man yelling at a banker and a
guy who played white Er.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
That's what it should say on IMDb, because a strange
man yells at a banker. What do you think of
this one?

Speaker 4 (45:28):
You know, you know, this was an interesting one because
I do like I do like mister Drysdale. I do
like him and stuff, and I think he's quite good
in this. I really like his beard. It's a really
good beard.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Yes, it's a solid beard, and I like.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Him in it, and I like him more the second
time you watch it. When and I don't know if
this is I mean, this is kind of a spoiler, right,
But one of the things with General Parsi Smith is
he's not a general. He didn't fight in all these wars.
He didn't. Everything he's saying is pretty much lies, which
is why this whole thing is so weird, because like

(46:07):
when they call him on some of the other lies,
he's kind of like, yeah, I think, he says at
one point, like you know, it's just like when I'm
talking to people, like the lies sound so much more
interesting than my life, and you're like, Okay, I guess
I can see that. Why not, it's the Old West,
I guess I guess. You know, if if this is
the Old West, that anything goes. You can have a
guy lying like this all the time. And I do

(46:28):
like him quite a bit. The the the actual sort
of story itself is weird because in the in the end,
it's kind of where where it ends up is kind
of satisfying, but it's not the most It's because Holton
Nash just kind of stand around, going get this guy

(46:51):
out of here, and Matt won't get him out of there,
and he keeps it. It just becomes kind of this
It almost almost becomes like a weird, almost like Twilight
Zone kind of episode where you're sitting there watching slightly
weird things happening and not really loving it, but you're like,
where is this going? And then when you get to
the end of it, you're like, oh, okay, all right,

(47:12):
yeah that was actually pretty good. And there's sort of
a final twist after right at the very end where
you're like, huh, okay, And I'll mention that probably in
a few minutes. So it's a weird episode where I
liked it a lot more than this guy's previous episode.
I think. I think it's it's pace and nicely, but
it's just it's it's it's kind of it's like it's

(47:35):
it's got a weird story it's telling and I don't
know that it fully, I don't know that completely tells
it in a way that kept me completely interested, but
it kept me peering towards the ending. And luckily, you know,
these episodes are relatively short. They go by pretty quick,

(47:55):
and and so when I got to the end, I
was like, Okay, yeah, I like that a lot more
than his other one. I didn't. I didn't love it.
I didn't like it more than a que But I
I I think I think Parsley is a goofball enough
character to get over the fact that Holton Nash are
kind of bland, and you really kind of, like I said,
spend quite a bit of time sitting there, like with Matt,
kind of just being like, what's going on? You know.

(48:18):
It's like it's like these these this guy shows up
with a bank and immediately this old guy is outside
yelling about the bank. This old guy's a big old liar,
but he won't say what's going on, why he's picking
that Holt Hope just keeps claiming that this guy's some
crazy old guy who came out of nowhere, but clearly
that's probably not true because why would this guy be there?

(48:38):
And there's so a lot of little interesting questions. The
more you think about it, and it's it's actually I'm
gonna take you. I'm gonna say this is one of
those episodes that when I think about it, I find
it more interesting than when I actually watched it. But
it's not a bad episode. But but it's it's it's
not it's not a great episode. I think it's a
it's a decent episode. And if this guy's episode, I
don't know how many more he wrote for the show,

(48:59):
If they get better from here that, I'm all for it.
But yeah, I think it's definitely worth a watch it.
I think that when you get to the ed, I
just there's something I really liked about the Parsley character,
and I'll mention this in a few minutes. Something I
really really just liked about that character that carried it through.
So that's kind of I don't know exactly what I'm saying.

(49:21):
Better than The Hunter or whatever that one was, but
not as good as like The Q.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, I think it's a bit of a step down
from The Que. But I think I think it's not
bad though. Now I do feel like you know where
it's going, which I guess you can argue really that
you know where most movies and TV shows are going.
Like movies and TV shows in general are not wildly unpredictable,

(49:46):
but I do think the supporting characters are kind of bland.
I think Raymond Bailey actually does a pretty good job,
and he's loud, but he's not as over the top
as some of these people we've seen in this series.
And one thing, I'm very curious to see some episodes
that aren't directed by Charles Marky Warrence because I know

(50:09):
the ceiling for performances on TV from this era isn't
very high, but I'm curious to see if the performances
are elevated at all after he decided to step away
from directing. I don't want to say that he's a
bad director, and I'm sure that there's probably a ton
of limitations on productions from this time, and I'm assuming

(50:33):
most of these shots are done in one to two takes,
but it does feel like I mean, we've talked about
this probably every time we've recorded, but he really only
has two ways of directing supporting actors, and we're still
weeks away from a new director. I think he directs
everything up through episode twenty six, I think, Oh, but yeah,

(50:56):
I am curious to see episodes that aren't directed by him.
I actually I sort of randomly watched the first episode
from the seventh season recently. Oh wow, and that was
the first season that Gunsmoke went from thirty minutes to
an hour and the main supporting roles played by Ed Nelson. Oh,
and he's in. He's in quite a few like Roger Corman,

(51:17):
early Roger Corman movies, but he is terrific in it
and it's a great episode. I can't remember who directed it,
but I think I looked him up and he directed
like sixty five episodes of gun Smoke, So I am
very curious to see other episodes by other other directors
and there and there have been some good performances in

(51:38):
this season as well, but it does feel like quite
a few of the actors are directed in like one
of two ways. But there is one moment in this
that that did that I thought was really great with
General when when General Smith thanks Doc and you don't
know why, yes, and then Doc says that he thanked
him for not saying Smith wasn't ever a general. And

(52:02):
I think that moment makes you care about Smith a
lot more. And you know he's a compulsive liar and
he knows it, but it's sort of like he's been
this way for so long he doesn't know how to
be honest anymore. Yeah, And I just think that moment
makes you sympathize with him, and it makes his compulsive

(52:23):
lying like a little less obnoxious.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Now it's nice moment too. Yeah, yeah, Doc doesn't have
to bring him down right.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
There, right And yeah, now I do wish in the end,
I wish that Smith had finally said something true.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
I see. I think that's what we're gonna differ.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Okay, So I didn't love that he lied about how
he heard the banker's plan, and I think the ending
would have been more, a little more I don't have
poignance the right word, but I think if he had
been honest for the first time in the long in
a long time, I like, even if he had just

(53:05):
told the Marshall like like it was just a hunch
and it was a little more comical ending almost. I
just think the the I I just wish he had
told the truth here. But but you disagree.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
I I actually because yeah, as he's he's dying, and
he's he's even lied about the fact that he was
mortally wounded.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, and as.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
He's done, yeah, he tells the stories. At this hotel
in Abilene, he heard these two guys talking next door,
and he followed him to see what they were doing.
When he realized what they were doing, he he did
everything he could to try to stop them from from
from robbing all the people in Dodge City. And and
then and then he dies, and and matt'says, well, that
hotel he was talking about has been shut down for

(53:51):
like six years, so he wasn't there a couple of
months ago. Right, It's like he lied again. And I
kind of like, I kind of liked the concept that
that he just he just kept it up to the end,
you know, And and and sort of sort of in
the end, it it to me it sort of doesn't
really matter how he he did. He did through his

(54:12):
own weird, obtuse way. He saved those He saved the
life savings of all these people at Dodge Yeah, and
and and what I've liked to have known the ending, Sure,
but the moment he says yeah, Matt says that ain't
true either. After he's dead and he suddenly realized no
one's gonna find out how it happened. It's like, I

(54:36):
kind of I think that's one of those things that
made me like when I went back and watched it again,
I just kind of focused on Parsley throughout and I
just watched him and watched him weave this web of
lies and and I just I just found it sort
of more uh more charming. But but but yeah, I
could also see like you being like, oh, come on,

(54:58):
just say something, come on, But I got I said,
But I liked it because it's just sort of it.
I mean, that's that's someone who's really like committed to
their psychosis or whatever it is. You know, Yeah, they're
going all the way with it, right to the as
you know you're dying, you throw out one more whopper.

(55:18):
And the funny thing was that the weirdest thing about it,
right is that he he says, you know that hotel.
You know I was in Abiley, you know that hotel?
And Matt knows the hotel. Yeah, and he knows when
the hotel shut down, so he knows maybe maybe maybe
parsially knew that Matt knew this or something, you know.

(55:41):
I mean, doesn't it seem strange? I mean if I
were to say to you something like that, like if
I was dying and you were there with me, and
I said like, oh man, you know have you you
know I was in you know, Atlanta, the Holiday Inn
by the by the Expressway in Atlanta. Oh yeah, I
do well, you know. And and and my final stur
you know, the chances of like you knowing that seems

(56:02):
slim to me.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
And the fact that he would know this this hotel
at Abilene and and know that it's been shut down
for however many years? Is it is just like it's
so weird. It's it's almost like I said, it's almost
like a Twilight Zone kind of thing, you know, very much,
just a kind of like a weird thing like the
like that episode where one of the Darren's the Penny

(56:27):
for Your Thoughts episode, or one of the Darns would be,
which is buying a newspaper and every morning he flips
his coin into like the the till where all the
money is, and the one day he flips his coin,
it lands on the side, and then for the rest
of the day he can read people's minds until the
coin is knocked over.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
And so it's sort of it's sort of like that
kind of weird thing where it's like he not not
only he he he's like it's almost a superpower. How
good his lies are? You know? He can pull from
your mind, He could say he's been to Abilene. He'll
know this is a lie, but he'll also know that
there is a grain of truth in it, and that

(57:07):
I think, but I can't, I can't tell him. Maybe
I don't know. I have no idea what I'm talking
about right now, but but I just I just love
I just love that they they went all the way
with it. I just I just really love that. At
the very edge, you're like, oh, gosh, who knows, you know,
maybe maybe ten years from now his son will show
up or something. You know, my daddy was here, he

(57:29):
was a famous general.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
But oh, I would love that if the lying passed
down to the next generation, that would be tremendous.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
But yeah, so so it's uh, it's the uh. I
think the episode definitely has his charms, and it's it's
definitely better than that guy's previous one. But but but
as we said, there's there's something kind of kind of
I mean, the gunfight isn't bad in the end, it's
a pretty good gunfight kind of in the dark, and yeah, such,

(58:01):
but but sort of the the actual story, the way
it's kind of told, in the way, like you said,
it's kind of directed, is a bit just kind of bland.
And the problem is that Matt doesn't really do much
but respond to what's going on. And when Matt doesn't
do much, everyone's got to be like at the top

(58:22):
of the game, because if you're going to take this,
if you're going to sort of remove the star from
it and make the supporting characters the leads. Parsley is great,
but the other side has to be good too. And
now that I know that was why it ar, I'm
convinced that side was great too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
It's got some it's got some good some good moments
in it. I overall I did I did enjoy it,
and like you said, this is a big improvement on
Duncle's previous work. Oh yeah, yeah, I don't really have
anything else.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
I don't think I have anything else to add on
on on on this one.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
I think I think I'm good here. Yeah the uh
Zachary Taylor, I no, yeah, I'm good. Yeah, that's that
scene with Doc is very nice. We're just just for
that that split second. Yeah, you see in Parsley's eyes
was like, oh my gosh, there's someone who actually knows me,
and it's like, how much is he going to reveal

(59:21):
how much is he going to sort of ruin? And
uh do Dodge City kind of seems like a strange,
loud place.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
And then and you wonder how long Matt's been gone,
because like when he shows up, holds us something like,
I guess, Dodge City has grown a lot since you
were since you were last here. I thought, how long?
How long was he gone?

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yeah, and he has five o'clock shadow when he first
comes on this year too.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Yeah, I know, I get. I guess if it's one
of those Western towns like sort of a you know,
like those gold rush towns where hundreds of people would
show up and then the next day it'd be deserted.
So maybe he's only been gone for like six but
like four people showed up, but that was a big
run or something. It could be. But I don't think
I have anything else on this one. I think I

(01:00:09):
give it a thumbs up. Not not a great episode,
but I think it's worth watching. Although you know, I
kind of ruined one of the reasons why I was
kind of when I, like I said, when I got
to the end with the lies, sorry everyone, we spoiled it.
I was really like, wow, with that. Now you already know.
So if you want to, you want to skip ahead
to Magnus the next episode, you can.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
All right, well well yeah, well we're okay, so let's
move on to Magnus. This is a this is a
very special episode of gun Smoke. This episode aired and
aired on Christmas Eve and is a holiday classic. And
Magnus was written by John Meston, adapting his own script
from radio, and Robert Easton plays Magnus and a performance

(01:00:55):
that Dan you and I will never forget. And he
was also Magnus in the radio version of this episode
as well. And he was in a bunch of movies
and TV shows, and he was a He was actually
a Klingon judge in Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
That's right, Yeah, you could tell you can see it's him,
if you know, you're like, oh my gosh, it's that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Yeah. And I wanted to mention that that's actually my
favorite Star Trek movie. I love Undiscovered Yeah. Yeah, And I.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Don't know what my favorite is. I'll have to think
about it. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
But he he also has two writing credits. He has
an additional dialogue credit on the Never ending story, and
he co wrote a movie that I'm wondering if you've seen,
called The Giant Spider Invasion.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
You know, I have that on Blu Ray.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Oh, I believe it. I knew it would be something
that you had seen.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
The Giant Spider Invasion is a wonderful mid seventies post Jaws.
Bill Rebaine film. Bill Rebine was a Wisconsin filmmaker, okay,
and he made a bunch of films in the seventies
and eighties, including what else did he make? He made
a film called The Capture Bigfoot Invasion from Inner Earth,
The Alpha Incident. He made a film that I'm forgetting

(01:02:06):
the name of a tiny tim from the mid eighties.
He made a film called The Devonsville Terror Or was
that Uli Lommel? I forget, but yeah, uh he made
it was at devons Ville Terror. It was the Demons
of Ludlow. No way, that's not it either. I forget
what it is. But he he was. He was a
guy Wisconsin. He made a whole bunch of movies up there,

(01:02:27):
and one of his biggest hits was The Giant Spider Invasion,
which is about I'm not going to go into it
full but in full but there are giant spiders in
lots of spiders, and Robert Easton is sort of the
the guy who's the spiders sort of land on his land. Okay,

(01:02:47):
and he's in a bunch and he's very very rednecky
in it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Gotcha, And it's a charmer.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
I love I love you know. I actually have it
on two Blu rays, one because the quality is better,
the second one because of the special features. Okay, feel
free to laugh all you want in America.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Oh no, nobody's gonna lie. If they laugh at you,
I'll beat him.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
But no. Giant Spider Invasion is a delightful film. But yeah,
and he's a yeah, and it's it's funny to see
him and he pops up. Yeah, he pops up all
over the place.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Yeah, yeah, and yeah. And Giant Spider Invasion at the
time of this recording is on Amazon Prime and to
B and I do feel like I should check it out.
It's fun.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
I mean, it's not going to rock your world, but
it's eighty minutes of entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Yeah, and sometimes that's all you want, Yes, exactly. But Easton,
he was also a I was reading about him because
obviously I just thought I thought he was so incredible
I had to know more about him. But he was
also a dialect coach. Yes, and in the early sixties
he became tired of playing like this type of character

(01:03:53):
and he thought mastering other accents would open up different
opportunities for him. But he ended up perfecting over two
hundred different accents, and he coached a bunch of famous
actors like Gregory Peck, Ben Kingsley, Al Pacino and Robert
duvall And and some others when whenever the role required

(01:04:14):
an accent. Wow, now, Dan, have you have you mastered
in any accents? Are you good at accents?

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Unfortunately I could do them badly, but no one wants
to hear that. No, I don't think so. I used
to think I did a pretty good British accent until
I met some you know, folks who are British and
they said, you sound Australian, and then I, you know,
good day, And that's that's all I can do for Australian.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Yeah. I won't even attempt them anymore. I'm just so
awful at it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
I just yeah, I I I embarrass myself and and
generations of my family every time I try to do now. Yeah,
I wish I could. That would be fun. What are
you doing? That's my French. By the way, if you
were wondering what that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Was, No, that was not bad. And then and then
James Anderson plays Lucifer and James Anderson. He's probably best
remembered for To Kill a Mockingbird, but he was in
a ton of Western TV shows. He's in He's in
nine episodes I think total of gun Smoke, ten episodes
of Laramie, three episodes of Bonanza, and and he's in most, like,

(01:05:25):
if not all, of the big Western series at least once.
All Right, well, Dan, what what?

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
What is?

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
What's magnus about?

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Magnus? It's crits, it's I think it starts sounding like
December twenty third, and the ladies of the saloon are
decorating it for Christmas, and sort of in the in
the in the opening sequence, Lucifer Jones, Lucifer Jones come on,
shows up and he's a really unpleasant old guy and
he's sort of At first I thought it was going

(01:05:56):
to be a Scrooge type thing because I wasn't familiar
with the episode, but he basically storms into the saloon
and he I want to say he pushes kiddie, but
I could be making that up. And he just kind
of tears the place apart and basically destroys everything inside
the saloon because he thinks they're all harlots and he's
very pious, sort of sort of like the sweaty guy
was two episodes ago, except Lucifer instead of except instead

(01:06:19):
of being sweaty and sort of slothful, Lucifer looks like
he's insane, and he looks like a crazy old man
who like gets out of the house once every year.
I mean, he looks like, you know, he looks like
he you know, if it had been I don't know,
like sixty years later, he could have been ed Geen
or something like that. I don't know. He looks he

(01:06:40):
looks nuts, and he threatens Kitty, and he threatens all
the women, and he destroys the inside of the saloon.
And so Matt goes up to him and says, Lucifer
go home. Okay, well done there, Matt. That's some good.
That's some good law enforce him. And he sends Lucifer home,
and think of Lucifer as well. I'll say I'll say

(01:07:03):
this again at the end so what happens then is
that now is Magnus Magnus is is Wait a minute,
I'm trying to think is the blood brother or just brother?

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Yeah? I believe blood brother to Chester.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
So so Magnus is Chester's blood brother and Chester hasn't
seen in ages and Chester sorry. Magnus is described as
sort of living out the wilderness by himself, hanging out
with Indians like the Soux. He hangs out said, he
hangs up with the Sioux for a while, and he's
just out there and he's very you know, he doesn't
spend time with people, he doesn't talk to ladies, he

(01:07:43):
doesn't know anything like this. And Chester is just embarrassed
by Magnus. And then Magnus shows up and turns out
to be completely charming and through a series of scenes
throughout every time, it starts off with with Chester being like, okay,
I forget is it is it gambling first that they try?

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Yes, I think gambling, and he's.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
And he's because a Magnasar says he wants to be
part of you know, civilized world, and now you can't. Magnus.
You know, you don't not do anything. You don't drink,
you don't talk to women. You don't you don't gamble,
and and Magus tries gambling and he's he's, he's, he's
very good at in a very special way. I'm sure
we'll talk about that in a moment. But he ends

(01:08:27):
up sort of besting Cheater and becoming kind of a
mini gambling hero. And then they try to drink a
little and it turns out that he can drink Chester
under the table almost immediately. Then when he sits down
and talk to Miss Kitty, he turns out to be
quite charming. And then and then when it comes to dancing,
he actually dances pretty good. And the end when Lucifer

(01:08:49):
Jones reappears with a gun and he's he storms into
the lude saying he's going to shoot everybody, which I'm
sure in nineteen fifty five had a very different feel
than it does in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
Uh. He actually turns out to be quite a sort
of Magnus becomes very much like a preacher man who's
able to convince Lucifer to sort of that he's on
his side, so he's able to disarm Lucifer before he
can shoot Miss Kitty full in the face with his
double Lot six or whatever it is he's got and
so so it's kind of a mostly delightful episode about

(01:09:24):
this sort of wilderness kind of how you doing, Chester,
what's going on? I'm just in town and I want
to become a civilized and spend some time with my brother.
But then it turns out that he's actually quite charming,
and because Chester has spent so much time avoiding him,
he doesn't realize that Magnus has actually lived a lot

(01:09:45):
more than Chester thought he has has become a charvy thing.
We just see Chester get one opt over and over again,
and it's kind of a delightful. It's it's it's actually
quite delightful to watch. But Tom, that's not that's it's
delight fullness is how I'm gonna describe. But yeah, that's
the basic story it's about. We meet Chester's blood brother, Magnus,

(01:10:06):
and he's described as being this horrible wilderness, you know,
crazy like almost almost he sounds like he's almost like
the Hunter guy from a few episodes back, but he's not.
He's actually quite charming.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
It's crazy, all right. Well, Dan, I have been looking
forward to hearing your thoughts on this. What did you
think of this episode.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
I like this stuff with Magnus and Chester very much.
The gambling scene is lovely because the premise is that
it's like, well, do you know how to gamble? Well,
when I was in the army, some you know, a
gentleman there taught me how to how to gamble. Okay,
and he's he he Chester and this guy, the guy

(01:10:48):
dealing all the main gambling guy is dealing out and
then he calls Magnus on your cheating and and Max
comes out, are you cheating, Magnus? And Magnus is like, yeah,
I'm cheating. You know. You asked me if I knew
how to gamble, and the guy who taught me how
to gamble, he taught me how to cheat. So that's
how I play? Is I cheat? And he's a very

(01:11:10):
forthright about it. And then he has a great moment
where he he just points to the guy across the
table says, well, he's cheating too. What And then they
find out that the dealer has been cheating too, and
they they you know, and and so they throw the
dealer out of town, and it's it's kind of a
lovely moment where you know, Chester is like he's cheating
and then you can see like Chester being sort of
sort of like proud, but then like, oh boy, he's

(01:11:34):
I'm supposed to have won this one. I lost this round.
And then the drinking round is is hilarious, where let's
go drinking, and then it immediately cuts to Magnus wheeling
Chester home in a wheelbarrow and saying, well, how long
did he last? Well, he made it to the first
bar we went too, and then he went on pretty quick.

(01:11:54):
But I put him in the wheelbar and took a
barrow and took him from bar to bar so he
wouldn't feel like he had, you know, he had been there.
And then when he meets miss Kitty, of course Miss
Keith Kitty thinks she's he's charming, and then they dance
and there's all these just these lovely, lovely moments, and
it just keeps coming up with well, I didn't know
you could do that. Well, you know, I was, I
was with I was. I did this for a year

(01:12:17):
some time ago, and I learned how to do this.
I didn't know that. Well, you never asked Chester, you know,
you never want to know how I'm doing. And it's
it's it's I thought, uh yeah, Robert Easton is very
good knit and it's nice to see a Chester heavy episode.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
We haven't really had one yet, and and I like
this one. I like that it's more it's more fun
now do I like the Lucifer Jones bits, not particularly
the The opening scene is really weird to me because
Matt seems to let him go even though he says
I'll be back, I'll be back, Okay, you get out

(01:12:56):
of here, and then he comes back when he said
he was gonna come back. And and while everyone's partying this,
this this crazy, super pious religious man storms in with
a gun and says, I'm gonna shoot you all. And
it's like, huh, where do we go there? Well, what's happened?

(01:13:17):
What's happening here? Well, yeah we go and it's it's
a that scene. I get what they're doing with that scene,
and it show it shows sort of Magnus kind of
being like like sort of I don't know, maybe the
ultimate civilized person that he's able to talk down a
crazy person is about to shoot a room full of
people up. But there's something about that scene where I

(01:13:39):
thought you couldn't have thought an ending that fit the
mood of the rest of the episode. It it seems
a little off to me. Now, I didn't sit there
and go, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna write a strongly
worded letter to the state of Charles Marquis Warren saying
say that I don't like this ending. But but but
it is kind of strange, just because just because the
way Matt like the thing about Lucifer is his first

(01:14:01):
his name is Lucifer. The second, we don't know anything
about him. Do we learn anything about him? Really?

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Yeah? So the only thing that we really learned about
Lucifer is in the opening scene. You know, he is
talking to Miss Kitty and and he says something along
the lines of like she's the most sinful because she's
the prettiest and and he says that his daughter was
pretty and that she was wicked and she's dead. Now

(01:14:32):
oh yes, So I don't know if he's gone crazy
because of something that happened with his daughter. But uh,
but that that must be something with his h yes,
wild kind of religious like evil religious thing must tie

(01:14:54):
into that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
Yeah, I feel like that that that was the the
the falling down for episode for me, as the opening
and closing with Lucifer because I don't I I yeah,
I I sort of get that he he doesn't like
these women and doing the party and the everything. But
then when he arrives, no one is like who is
this guy? They all know who he is, and then

(01:15:17):
Matt just lets him go. You know, if someone comes
in and says stuff like that to Miss Kitty and
destroys everything, shouldn't he maybe go to jail for a
few minutes or something. It's just it's just they treat
him as like as if he's a nuisance. But then
he comes back exactly like he said he would with
the loaded chatku that is going to kill everyone at

(01:15:38):
the party. And it's like, I don't fully understand. I
don't fully I don't. I feel like I miss something
with that character, like like like, do does he do
this every year? Is? I don't. I don't know, I
don't understand. You know, It's it just I that was

(01:16:01):
the one spot where it kind of fell down for me.
Is I didn't fully understand it, And you know, I
kind of thought, there the uh, the the so so
so like his reappearance in the end isn't like is
the uh is the sort of human is the human

(01:16:24):
version of Chekhov's Gun where someone says, oh, there's a
gun right here in Act one, that you don't reference
the gun again, but then in Act three someone picks
up the gun and shoots someone. That's what Lucifer is like, Hey, y,
a crazy guy just showed up and threatened to come
back at the party and and maybe kill us all.

(01:16:44):
Magnus is here, and then in the end he shows
up with the gun to kill them all, and so
like I feel, I feel like there's something something, something
went wrong with the script or something, because I think
the Magnet stuff is so great. It's just that opening scene,
that closing scene. I can't if it had been something
we're like, they had just spent a little more time.

(01:17:07):
Maybe here's the thing, though, I don't like the Lucifer
Karen and I don't want to spend more time with him.
So so what I'm suggesting here is not something i'd watch.
But if they had given him maybe a little more
background and give them a little more story why he's
doing this, because it just it just seems like he's

(01:17:27):
there in the beginning, so he can show up at
the end and Magnus can save the day. And to me,
that's some very third grade plotting. That's the kind of
thing I used to do. Like back when I was
in third and fourth grade, I used to write comic
books and I would illustrate them. I'm a terrible artist,
but I would illustrate them because I wanted to tell

(01:17:48):
stories that I didn't see in comics. And it was
having my favorite superheroes fight and things like that. And
they were stupid stories because I was in third grade.
And the plotting of this, to me is is third
grade style plotting. Not that. Not the actual part with
Magnus in the middle, which I think is quite charming
and delightful. Oh, just think the Lucifer book ad doesn't

(01:18:12):
make sense to me. It doesn't ruin the episode, but
it it doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Gotcha yet?

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Now, now, one thing I will say, in the radio version,
Lucifer is not in it. Oh, there's actually there's no
villain at all. It's just Magnus coming to town and
and then him doing evil and wicked things with Chester
until he decides that he has to leave the town.
And also the radio version is not set at Christmas time.

(01:18:45):
Oh so I think that I think that making it
a holiday episode is a good addition. But yes, they
could have lost Lucifer and it could have just been
a straight up comedy episode because.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
He's he's unpleasant, I mean, especially the final scene. He's
really unpleasant in the way that that jars with the
tone of the rest of the episode. Yes, and this
is not the kind of show that can, uh like
shift at a moment from comedy to the the darkness

(01:19:21):
like that. It's it's not really that kind of show.
It commits to a tone and sticks with it. Yeah,
that's a bad thing. Many shows do that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Oh yeah, Now, I, as I've kind of hinted at,
I I had a blast watching this. I agree with
the Lucifer stuff. That's the that's the weakest part of
the episode. But I had I had no idea going
into this it was going to be a Christmas episode,
so and when it's when it started, I thought, this

(01:19:50):
is either going to be amazing or maybe the worst
episode so far, And luckily it was the former, and
it was very entertaining and it's this is sort of
similar to something I think quite a few comedies do
where there's a character you expect to fail, but they
accidentally succeed like in a bunch of situations. The first

(01:20:13):
thing that actually came to mind was the episode of
The Simpsons where Homer joins the Navy and he does
everything accidentally right, and the ad yeah yeah, and the
add roll or captain whatever is really impressed and like
and takes him under his wing. This isn't exactly that,
but it is like a similar sort of running gag,

(01:20:34):
and it also reminded me of how refreshing it is
when otherwise like serious series has a comedic episode. Yes,
like when I was going through the X Files, I
didn't know that there were any comedic episodes.

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
It takes a while.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
It does take a while, and I can't remember the
first one that had like more of a sense of humor.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
I was gonna say Humbug, Okay, the one with the carnival.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
And oh yes, yes at.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
The end of that's that's the first Darren Morgan one,
although I would also say the episode Blood at the
beginning of season two, the one where the people are
all seeing like the like the postal people are saying
kill them, kill them in that that are kind of
really dark but funny, But Humbug is the first one
that really is, like we The great thing with X
Files is when The X Files did comedy, it could

(01:21:24):
also do scary as hell at the same time. Yeah,
So humbug is is is is funny but also creepy
and it's a good story.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Yeah. Yeah. And I remember seeing it and just being
so surprised that the series could do it, could could
do it and do it so well. Yeah, and and
and I agree. It was nice to have an episode
that was more focused on Chester. And I thought Dennis
Weaver I thought he was good and and and pretty
funny in it, and.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
He's gradually losing Yeah, and uh uh really it's it's
a pretty good episode overall for the supporting characters.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
I mean, Doc is not in this a ton he
has a couple appearances, but I think he makes up
for it. Uh you at the end when he takes
the drink out of Matt Matt's hand and tosses it
back and says Merry Christmas. I thought that was good.
And Amanda Blake is good in her scenes, yes, and
uh and it was good to see her be more

(01:22:25):
than just like a gal who sits around and waits
for Matt to come visit her yes, and Robert Easton,
I mean, I know, I know that this is sort
of dumb humor, but his stick just works for me.
The scene where he's talking to Miss Kitty, I think

(01:22:48):
you can tell she's trying pretty hard not to laugh.
And how he's able to keep a straight face during
that scene is beyond me. Like it is. I I
thought that that scene was hilarious, and the gambling scene
was kind of the moment where I knew I was

(01:23:09):
gonna love the episode. Yes, when uh, when he cheats?
Oh no, no, actually, uh, well you've talked about when
he cheats, and he points out that the dealer is cheating.
But one thing I love is Chester tells him he's
lucky that Marshall Dylan was here, or else he would

(01:23:30):
have been the one that the dealers shot. And and
I can't remember exactly what Magnus says, but he he
says something like, oh, if he would have started something,
he would have gotten cut wide open. And then it
cuts to a shot of his shoe that he has
a knife attached to.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
Yes, he's like Rosa cleb and from Russia with love.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Oh, but the way he delivered that cut him wide open?
Line I thought was hilarious. And what else did I
have for this one? Oh yeah, you already touched on
the scene where like, this is a joke. This happens
in a million different things. But at the end of

(01:24:16):
the gambling scene, Chester tells Magnets they're going to go drinking,
and and Chester tells him that drinking is something that
nobody can do better than he does, and then and
then it cuts to him pushing him across the street
in the wheelbarrow. And that's just that joke is in
so many movies. I think Robert Donney Junior has done
that in at least three movies. I know it's Iron Man.

(01:24:38):
There's a scene where they're not going to drink on
the plane and then and then it cuts to the
next shot as they're both drunk. And in Zodiac there's
also a very similar thing. But yeah, and of course
we've already talked about it. Every episode has an over
the top villain and and this one is just just

(01:25:00):
too much and should not have been there.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Yeah, I'm surprised. Yeah, so he wasn't in the radio episode.
I remember, I wonder why they felt they had to
put him in. Maybe it was a maybe it was
a network thing or something, or maybe like a like
a Marquis Warren thing or something like that. There has
to be some sort of bad guy or something, maybe
because it's it seems strange because I could have just

(01:25:25):
watched the episode just being Magnus kind of besting Chester
over and over again and then leaving. Oh yeah, I
would have been lovely. Yeah, as it is, it's an episode,
like I said, I really quite like, but I have
to sort of not pay attention to the first three
in the chunk, well not not all of the ending,

(01:25:45):
because when they're hanging around there and Doc shows up,
it takes a drink. I love that. I'd love to
see a Christmas episode that follows Doc because presumably it's
Christmas time, so a lot of folks are like overeating
or doing stupid stuff, and he's having to reason why
he's not there is because he's having to do lots
of doctrine. Yeah, so I'd love I'd love to see
like a like a like a Christmas episode with him

(01:26:07):
just just like twenty four hours at Christmas with all
the stupid stuff he has to do taking care of people,
little kids. I don't did they have toys like sticking
toys up their noses or things. I don't know what
they did back then. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Now, one thing, I don't think that this is the
reason why they have Lucifer in the episode. But could
it have been to show that he's even better at
Chester at law enforcement?

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
There's a thought. Yeah, yeah, because we.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Don't explicitly say that, and Chester celebrates his brother taking
Lucifer out. But I guess that could have been a
reason to have a villain.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
That that is a good reason. That actually that actually
makes perfect sense. Yeah, that in the end he would
he would actually best best Chester in what Chester's supposed
to be, it was supposed to be his job. Yeah,
but but but but but Chester doesn't mind. So no,
so no, that that's actually that makes sense. Yeah, I
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Yeah, all right, but that is uh, that's really everything
else I had on the episode. I mean, I think
it is just tremendously entertaining and I.

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
Very good Christmas episode.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Yes, it's so funny. But yeah, did you have anything
else to add?

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
I don't think so, I'm just scanning my notes. Lucifer Jones.
It sounds like it's gonna be in a Rudy Ray
Moore film. Or something like that. Come on, okay, Dolomite,
Lucifer Jones, gonna tear up the town. But no, no,
that was it. That was it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
What was I gonna say? I had something else I
was gonna say.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
Was it? Was it about Dolomite? No?

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
No, I actually I was gonna say. There could have
been Cleopatra Jones. Oh yes, Cleio Patrick Jones and Lucifer Jones.
Could have could have been a movie.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
Lucifer and Cleopatrick Jones. That's I think that's a bit
from Kentucky Fried movie. It could be Samuel Bronco Whiz Presents.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
All right, well, Dan, this was a tremendous fun. Do
you want to let listeners know where they can find
you on social media? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
Sure, yeah. I am on Facebook, just under Daniel Buddeck
or eventually Supertrain. It's probably the spot to go to.
Eventually you can go on I still have a blog
for eventually Supertrain, eventual Supertrained up blogspot dot com. And
I am on Blue Sky. And as with the last
three times we talked, I forgot to write down the address.
But if you look up at Daniel R. Budnick on

(01:28:37):
Blue Sky, you'll see a picture of a guy pointing
a guy with white guy with glasses pointing at a
picture of a poster of the movie The Last Slumber Party.
That's me, so you can come find me there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
All right, Well, thanks a lot, Dan, This was fun.

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
Oh yeah, as always, it was a good time. I
was excited to see what's next. We're headed into the
new year nineteen fifty six or a eighteen sixty five
or eighteen eighty five or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Yeah. In the first episode. The next episode we're talking
about James Drewy is a guest star. Oh awesome, Yeah,
so that'd be cool. Nice, nice, alrighty, Well, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
I hope you enjoyed this episode. It was great to
talk about gun Smoke with Dan, and he'll be returning
next month to cover episodes thirteen through fifteen. Next week,
I have a new guest and we've got a Roy
Rogers double feature. We're talking about The Gray Ranchero and
Bells of San Angelo, two of his collaborations with director
William Whitney. It should be an interesting discussion. Roy Rogers

(01:29:39):
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