July 9, 2025 • 36 mins
What happens when your relationship with food transforms from struggle to strength? Jamie, a nutrition and culinary educator, joins us to share her remarkable journey from disordered eating to empowering families through healthy cooking classes.
With candor and warmth, Jamie reveals how her early career in education exposed troubling disconnects between what parents wanted for their children's nutrition and what schools actually provided. This observation sparked a profound career shift as she pursued a certification as a holistic health coach. Now, she brings vibrant, affordable healthy cooking experiences to schools, community centers, and families—making nutrition accessible and joyful rather than restrictive and complicated.
The conversation takes a deeply personal turn as Jamie discusses her postpartum experience, including breastfeeding her son until age two while navigating what she describes as "a weird funk" that lasted nearly two years. "I wasn't focusing on myself, wasn't working out, wasn't eating healthy," she shares, echoing what many mothers feel but rarely express. Her candid acknowledgment that hormones can take years to rebalance after childbirth resonates powerfully, offering validation to listeners experiencing similar challenges.
We explore fascinating connections between nutrition, women's hormonal cycles, and even Eastern medicine approaches like blood type diets and acupuncture. Jamie emphasizes that while modern medicine has its place, we often overlook the foundations of wellness: proper hydration, adequate sleep, stress reduction, and whole foods. Her practical advice focuses on making healthy eating simple and enjoyable for busy families.
Whether you're struggling with your relationship with food, navigating the complex terrain of postpartum recovery, or simply looking for ways to help your family eat healthier without the stress, this conversation offers both practical wisdom and compassionate understanding. Jamie's virtual classes now make her expertise accessible beyond her New Jersey home base—bringing her balanced approach to wellness into homes everywhere.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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I'm your co-host, Tawana Page.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I'm your other co-host.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Cherie Page Barber.
Hi guys, we have a guest.
Yes, jamie's weird, hi Jamie.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Hi, sorry, you left like a little gap gap.
I didn't know if I had an noyou're fine.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I'm so excited.
I feel like you were on one ofmy podcasts a few times with
tawana, like way back in the daybefore we all had kids oh yes,
okay throwback so like that waslike life before kids and then
life after kids and like, oh man, it's a lifetime ago, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Tell us a little bit about yourself.
Jamie, what do you do?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
So what I do is I bring nutrition and culinary
programming to schools andcommunities.
So what that means is I do alittle bit of everything when it
comes to kids, families,healthy eating, health coaching.
I do some.
So I bring healthy cookingclasses to like mommy meat
classes to community centers, toafter school clubs.
(02:00):
I push into schools and workwith schools.
You know preschools and youknow I'm all about healthy
eating.
Whatever way that I'm able toinfluence families, whether it's
health coaching or hands-oncooking classes, nutrition
education I'm your girl.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I love that so cool.
Also, just a personal testamentto Jamie's work.
I used your program for a whileand it was very healthy, like
the meal planning and grocerylist, and it was amazing and a
lifesaver.
So, great work, yes.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, I love that.
I just told Jamie earlier, liketwo weeks ago, that I wish we
were in Jersey so the kids cango to her class.
She always posts like all thesecooking classes for the kids
and I'm like, no, I wish we werein Jersey so the kids can go to
her class.
She always posts like all thesecooking classes for the kids
and I'm like, no, I wish we werestill there.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, we don't have anything like that here.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's only a matter of time.
I feel like things are poppingup here and there, but I like to
, you know, differentiate,because we like to be healthy.
So it's funny, cause I havefriends who do cooking classes
elsewhere and they're like doyou ever get pushed back because
your classes are healthy?
I'm like no, in fact, the kidswill call me out if I, you know,
if I introduce chocolate chips.
And they're like Miss Jamie,that's not healthy.
And I'm like well, they'reoptional, so you don't have to
(03:16):
add them.
They're like no, no, no, wewant them.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Just want to make sure you knew knew.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Yeah, yeah, a little bit of chocolate is okay, every
here and there yes, everythingin moderation, for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, apparently I heard, dark chocolate is good
for you too.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Oh yeah a little bit less sugar in those.
But you know all about, allabout balance.
But my son had.
What did he?
We were just at the grocerystore and he picked up the blue
what is it?
The sour patch, kids jello andand he had something.
And you know what?
You know he has, he has heindulges.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Sure, I don't restrict it, because then like
he'll pick it up and then he'llput it down because I'm not like
no, no, no yeah it's a littlebit here and there is fine yeah,
for sure, I think, especiallyat this age too, because it's
just like they're learning whatthey like.
We can't be too picky, you knowa fat kid is a happy kid yeah
(04:15):
exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, jamie, how old is your son?
He's two and a half, he's a.
He's officially at that two anda half mark.
He's acting the part, oh that'sright.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
He's also november, right, yeah, yeah, what about oh
?
Yeah yeah, so sage is um.
She's end of november the 28th,so she's not two and a half yet
, but she's almost there oh,sage is my dog's name, then oh
my gosh, first baby.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
So I love that name, love that is it s-a-g-e?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
or s-a-i-g-e, I s-a-i-g-e.
That's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yeah, thank you, yes I love it and my boys are five,
I'm a six and then my youngestwill be three in like three
weeks I remember when you werepregnant with your oldest, I was
like it was like, yes, it wasso amazing, like it was like I
don't know if it was a surpriseor not, but it hit me like a
(05:13):
surprise.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
No, it was not.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
I was just like a couple months.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I love that crazy it was wild tell us about how you
got into like what you're doingand like what inspired you,
because you didn't start outdoing it like for kids?
Did you because sheree was onyour plan, which isn't for kids?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
but if you tell us a little bit about that, yeah, you
know well, um, I initiallystarted my career in education,
so i'm'm elementary certifiedand school age certified, so
pre-K to six, and I was intoteaching for about two years and
I just seen the difference.
I just seen what parents wantedtheir kids to eat, what schools
(05:54):
were feeding the kids, whatteachers.
There was such a disconnect andso I guess I'm just an
impulsive person, so I kind ofjust like pulled back and I went
back to school.
I became a certified holistichealth coach and then that's
when I, you know, kind ofconnected because I would do the
work with women and it's sofunny because that work that I
(06:17):
did, I need that so much formyself right now.
Like I try to remember, I kindof incorporated that work into
some of the schools that Iworked with and it was just such
(06:37):
a lovely fit.
I really love, um, working withkids and just getting them
excited about food and um and um.
So, and and now it's kind ofcool that we're reconnecting and
kind of having this kind ofcome full circle and I work with
families and I do familycooking classes and because it's
(06:58):
such a family effort you know,seeing things from I is really I
really just want to emphasizethat it doesn't have to be very
expensive or stressful ordifficult or time consuming,
Like it's just going to.
I want it to be part ofeveryone's life, because that's
(07:20):
just how we show up as our bestselves when we're feeling
healthy, whatever that means toyou.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah yeah, for sure.
What was there ever like apersonal endeavor or journey
that you had to use nutritionfor?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
or well, I did things on my own.
I didn't even really have, um,you know, uh, my parents were my
parents and like they kind ofjust never taught me anything
about being healthy and, um, Ideveloped eating disorder in my
teenage years and probably intomy early 20s, um, you know, and
overcame that and I just use, Iwas just always into nutrition
(08:04):
and food and um, and yeah, so I,I, so that's kind of like a
little bit about me, like how Igot into this and yeah, I really
had a nasty relationship withfood and I became, you know, so
it kind of that was a little bitof my, my past with that, but
(08:25):
it's, it's really beautiful therelationship that I have now
with food and I'm, you know,last night, actually, me and my
family were celebrating mycousin's, uh my niece's,
engagement party and we're atand I'm eating a salad, like not
because, like I, I just and myhusband's like yeah, it's great
sharing food, right, and I justlike love, I just love my
(08:46):
healthy foods and I cause I justI, how I feel after I eat
certain things, like I justdon't want to feel like crap, um
, I and and let me tell you now,this is like a whole different
relationship that I have withfood now, cause my pregnancy
calls me to gain 30 pounds Like,and I actually still got weight
, got weight and um, and so nowit's like a different.
(09:09):
Like I want to work out, I wantto eat healthy, to be the best.
Like I don't want to look backat these photos of me and my son
and my family and be like, oh,like chunky, like you know, and
it's just like a.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I want to be healthy now for different reasons yes, I
think that that was a big partfor me.
So we have a similar, just kindof like history of just like
disordered relationship withfood and it lingering at a very
formative time of life I thinkespecially for everybody, but I
(09:44):
think especially for justfemales and like building
confidence and figuring out whoyou are and what you like.
And, um, I've learned now forme that healthy is more about,
like you said, like how it feelsand like how I feel while I'm
eating it, after I eat it, asopposed to like how it makes me
look or an outcome that I'mtrying to achieve, which has
(10:09):
been a lot easier to maintainfor me, because I'm also finding
like foods that I like and,like you said, don't make me
feel like trash after, and thenthere's foods that I like and I
don't feel great after, and likefinding the balance of it's
okay to eat, that it's just.
Do you want to feel like trashfor the rest of the weekend, do
(10:30):
you know?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
just kind of like giving myself some grace,
especially in motherhood, mygoodness we can find two seconds
yeah, yeah, sometimes just acan of soup and I'm like, yeah,
exactly yes, yes, jamie, did youum when you're so much younger,
did you breastfeed?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
and if you did, did you like try to integrate, like
the eating healthy in that orformula fed?
I mean, I'm just interested inthat.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah, if you I know, I'm glad you brought that up
because, um, no, well, he wasbreastfed, yes, and he actually
breastfed until he was probablytwo, so like, congratulations,
amazing, so cool he, he, myhusband would give me crap, but
(11:16):
he's like you know and and nowyou know I, I knew it kind of
wanted I, because he was such,he's such a little chunker and
as soon as he started eating hewas losing weight like, and I
knew so.
It was like the breast milk,that was like chunking him up.
Yeah, um, yeah, that's some goodmilk, mama, I guess lots of
eggs, I don't know, for somereason, I actually do remember
(11:38):
that, yeah yeah, I don't know.
So, um, what was this like?
Oh you know what?
So so I would not eat.
I don't think I was eating veryhealthy.
I you know what I kind of had.
So for me, I went through alittle bit of fertility stuff
with him, okay.
Okay, once I had him, like ittook years for me to like, like
(12:00):
and so like had him.
I think I was going throughsome like weird postpartum stuff
because I was just puttingeverything into him.
I really wasn't going to dosleep training, wasn't going to
do this.
I wasn't going to do thatbecause I was just giving him
everything.
But it was literally untilNovember of last year.
So what is that?
(12:21):
2024.
Eight months ago when I startedto clean up my act and it was
just weird it was.
I was in a weird funk, I feellike.
So I was not focusing on myself, I was not working out, I was
not eating healthy and I don't,and I was just like now.
(12:41):
It was weird.
So I definitely breastfed, I,moms who breastfeed, moms who
don't breastfeed, you know it'sall great Whatever works for you
.
I know formula is super easy andyou know, um, yeah, so, uh, and
I guess I say that because momswho are in like a funk, even
(13:02):
postpartum I mean, they say thatyou don't, your hormones don't
bounce out until you're twoyears postpartum, and I truly
felt that I mean, maybe it'spart of like the breastfeeding
thing, but like I don't know, Iwas in a weird, weird funk.
So, um, yeah, and now, you know, I am kind of seeing like the
light on the other side of thetunnel and when you think of
(13:23):
another kid.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I'm like oh, deep breath, okay, yes, Sheree and I
talk about that a lot, like howit takes forever, not just for
your body to recover, but likeyour hormones.
Because if you ladies remember,like right after they're born,
it's like you have no idea whatday it is.
You have no idea what's going on, like you're bleeding, leaking,
like it's just everything isout of funk and you're just
(13:47):
trying to keep this baby aliveand yourself and I just think
we're not always like taught theright things and like I just
feel like it's like ourgeneration is the one to like
talk about certain things.
I just think we're kind of likegiven this baby like okay,
figure it out yeah, yeah, andeven, like you know, I'm someone
who keeps it.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I like to say I'd like to keep it real, and so
that's why we love you no nosuch thing.
But like it's so, likestraining even on your
relationship Right, and oh yeah,we can have a whole episode
about that and so like I don't,and with work, like I work for
(14:31):
myself.
So like I was just in like this,like whirlwind of like getting
my footing, we were moving, we,we sold our house.
Um, while I was pregnant, Ilived with my in-laws for nine
months and we moved out when myson was three months old and we
were renovating.
It was just like crazy.
Like so now I'm like okay, likethis place is starting to
finally feel like home and myson is starting to like sleep
(14:53):
through the night and like meand my husband kind of like each
other, you know, yeah, you knowfinally like trying to, you
know, do better for myself, andI'm like okay, and that's just
part of the process, it's wild.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
No for sure.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Terrifying and fun and scary, and just like when
you have one, you're like whathappened?
Like when you have more thanone, you're just like does this
ever end?
Like are we ever going to getoff the merry-go-round?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, and so I guess I say that all really to just
because I guess there's a pointwhere I can just like feel like
I can just let myself go, andthen it's not important to like
give back to myself, but I knowI was not being my best self.
And then, as soon as I startedto like make time for workouts
again and, you know, meal prepmy food again, I'm like okay,
like I remember myself again.
(15:40):
I still have those news.
But you know, I made a humanand we made all of us.
You know we made these littleperfect humans and so I'm giving
myself grace.
So it's just as part of theprocess.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It definitely, it definitely is.
I think that I, as you weresaying, that I was realizing
like this is the first weekendin five weeks and in five weeks
(16:17):
and yes, I've counted that Sagedidn't wake up at 2 am and just
like have a party for likeSaturday night into Sunday.
So the past few weekends I feltlike a zombie and just haven't
had energy to meal prep, toclean, to like set myself up for
the week.
And this is the first week thatI feel like a human.
So I'm realizing it's almostlike a like.
It's a little bit like a traumaresponse, because when those
things happen, my brain is likelike today it's gonna suck and
(16:42):
then tomorrow it's gonna suckand I'm gonna be like I just
like go down the spiral of howthings are gonna be terrible
because I'm sleep deprived andanxious and blah blah.
So I'm trying to find like alittle thing that I can do that
works.
So like last week it wasthrowing a pasta salad together
with things that I had like onmy grocery list and chat GPT put
(17:05):
it all together for me.
Like I love that I can shut mybrain off a little bit but still
achieve this goal of likeeating things that don't have me
recovering from it for threedays and it's a very tough
balance, like it's a lot ofmental gymnastics that goes into
.
Yeah, staying alive and keepinga human alive, yeah shree I
(17:29):
know we talk, well, we talkevery day.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
But I know last week you were like I was in a funk,
like you were saying.
You were in a little funk also,jamie, for like all those years
, but I was just, I think it wasonly period, I can't remember
anyway so I was just liketalking to shree about it and
then she was like you know whatshe's like?
I've been eating like littlecuties and those things are
bringing me so much joy and Iwas like a little thing, yeah,
oh, and I was like it's like thelittle little thing.
She's like I just love my citrusfruit yeah, it's really it's
(17:55):
making such a difference.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I because also, jamie , as you were talking, it's
really cool for me to likeconnect with moms that are on a
similar timeline yeah so theNovember babies because I'm like
what's my kid doing, what'stheir kid like?
how are you feeling?
I, up until this weekend, waslike am I still like?
Do I still have postpartumdepression?
(18:17):
Is it possible for it to lastthis long?
Because it really does like itlingers, and then you have
moments where it goes away andthen you think you're in the
clear and then it comes back andit's there for a few more weeks
and so.
I think nutrition has also beenhelpful as a way for me to catch
(18:37):
something, because if I'mdowning like bagels and cream
cheese like I'm on maternityleave, I'm probably depressed.
If I can make myself a colorfulmeal, I might be doing a little
bit better that day.
So it's been helpful to gauge,like where I am mentally too,
which is interesting.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, and when you thinkabout it, when you're eating
that colorful meal you'regetting all those nutrients and
vitamins in your system andthere's no way that you're not
going to feel like a little bitbetter from all that fiber and
nutrition.
You know it's gonna yes but Ilike what you're saying.
You know you're kind of gaugingit based off of like you're
kind of being able to see howyou're feeling, based off of
(19:17):
what you're able to kind of puttogether that day or yes, and
like the craving.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I don't know if that's like a universal, but you
know that craving like ifyou're craving carbs, you
probably need more energy Ifyou're craving red meat.
You're probably low on iron,like things like that.
Just like tuning in a littlemore yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Sugar, carbs, sleep.
I know I've been wanting tolike get into, like
understanding, like my hormones,like women's hormones, better.
I don't know, jamie, if you tiethat into like your work with
women, but Sheree and I havebeen like not going down rabbit
holes but like looking at peoplewho like study that and really
trying to like understand.
So we, sheree, told me aboutthe Lively app I don't know if
(20:02):
you've heard of it Like youtrack your cycle not to get
pregnant, like you can if youwant to be like I'm doing it for
like my period and like ittells you like what cycle, like
what phase of the cycle you'rein and like what to do like in
that cycle based on like yourenergy levels, yeah, and it like
tells you what to eat, but Ididn't like I find it so
interesting and like I'venoticed a difference.
Like have you tried to tie thatin like the women that you work
(20:24):
with, or do you do that foryourself?
Because I'm like I need to findmore women who do this so I can
like feel so hard because Ifeel like we were never taught
this.
No, not at all at all.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah, there's.
There's a lot of differentthings.
There's like seed cycling haveyou ever heard of?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
yes, I've heard of that.
Yeah, I don't.
I was like that soundscomplicated but like I've heard
people that do it, they findlike they found success with
that yeah, you're like now.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Don't let me eat the wrong seeds in the wrong days
like god forbid.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Like I ate an almond instead of a peanut, like well,
that's what they do.
So an almond instead of awalnut.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
That's why I'm so angry yeah, um, but no, I
actually have a calendar, like alittle um physical calendar
that that nice tracks like itkind of goes along with what
you're saying, the phases ofyour cycle, and I always funny,
I always like it kind of goesalong with what you're saying,
the phases of your cycle, and Ialways think it's funny.
I always think, like it saysMonday is like your day to chill
and I'm like dude who has timeto chill on a Monday, like relax
(21:18):
and reset.
I'm like I don't know sistersnot, not so they, you know it's
you take, you take what you needfrom that.
But, um, when it comes tospecific hormones, um, I don't
specifically work with hormonesI I partner with, like I can
refer out to other people thatnice, you do, that work I, you
(21:40):
know it's.
It's kind of I always thinkit's like a little bit funny,
not fun, funny maybe, but like alot of the symptoms, like let's
say what, a lot of the timesthe symptoms that you might be
having when you're having somesort of hormonal imbalance.
I mean there are some talkingabout seed cycling or you know
if someone is vegan orvegetarian, but a lot of times
(22:02):
the protocol is whole food basedmeals, you know, usually
protein based, colorful, proteinbased, almost like the
Mediterranean style meals.
And yeah, we all know, we alllike it's very intuitive,
intuitive us for notes, for usto know what to eat.
And so where I help people islike okay, so we know we should
(22:25):
be eating fish, we know weshould be eating some, uh,
cucumbers, some mixed greens,things like that, mixed greens
and uh, but what do we do withit?
How do we make it delicious?
How do we make it affordable?
How do we make it somethingthat the whole family can enjoy?
That's my, that's my jam,that's what I like to.
But when it comes to specifics,uh, there is something that
(22:46):
that, uh, I don't know if yougirls ever had.
Uh, it's uh, there's a testthat you can take that tests
your blood and it can if youhave certain food sensitivities.
Oh, okay, I haven't tried it,though I'll cat test and it's
okay okay, interesting becausethey're very there can be very
subtle food uh sensitivitieslike, for example, you know,
(23:10):
almonds you may not be allergicto almonds.
Oh, a slight sensitivity toalmonds, and if you're someone
who's drinking almond milk, tosomething like whole milk or
skim milk because you want to godairy-free, it might be, um,
causing a negative effect versusyou know, a positive effect.
Yeah.
So there are little things likethat.
That can, that can, okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
No, I love that.
Also, I know like some peoplewhen they go gluten free or like
when they just like take outcertain foods from, like, their
diet, they notice like a hugedifference, because some people
if they eat gluten or something,it's like they're they're
inflamed and they just feel likegross, but like if for like a
week they don't eat anythinggluten, like they feel fine and
it's like they don't always needto go to the doctor to figure
(23:53):
it out.
They're just like more sotrying to like listen to their
body.
So I think that's all connectedand I'm just so fascinated by
that yeah, like sleep, whathydration?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
um, some whole foods, some.
You know you want to reduceyour stress as much as possible,
as much as we can, right, yes,and.
And yet, like these very basicthings, that sure there are
medications and everything playsits part and has its role.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
But a lot of times we are overlooking the very basic
common things that we can changeon our own yeah, no, I love
that.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
And I know I've heard the people who have taken like
food sensitivity tests like theycome out they're allergic to
like eggs or like I'm like no,that's, I was like I don't want
to take the test.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yeah, it's pretty interesting what you know, what
can be even like your blood type.
Like, do you know what yourblood type is?
I know, sheree, you probablyheard me say that before.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I wish I knew I was like.
Now that I think about it, Ifeel like I knew it at one point
and I almost feel like it cameup during, like, labor and
delivery.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
But oh yeah, it may have yeah, like you have to be
what one of your parents is, andif both of your parents are the
same, then you are that, butyou have to be what one of your
parents is.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah interesting, that is so interesting does that
tie into like how you?
Does that tie into like innerworkings, like how you digest?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
oh my god like, yeah, um, yeah, so if um like eastern
medicine, um, eastern medicinefollows the blood type diet kind
of blood type like we followastrology.
Yeah, so, like you know, theymight find like a man who has o
blood type more desirable versuslike a man who has a blood.
That's so interesting, yeah, so, yeah, it is pretty cool.
(25:41):
Once you I have a whole book, Ithink it's by peter d.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Didn't d donato um book about the blood type diet
and that is so fascinating andspeaking of eastern medicine, I
started acupuncture like sixmonths ago and I love it, like
my acupuncturist is amazing andshe always I don't know exactly
like the chart that she follows,but she said that I am an earth
(26:08):
person, I think or something,but like something.
But like all of that ties intolike how my horror scope is too,
because something with like mylow back and like my low body
and I'm a Libra and like that.
I don't know if that's just onesense, but like that, like
Libra, like the Libra that I am,has like issues with the low
body.
Sometimes I'm like that is socrazy, but it's just so
(26:30):
interesting.
And like certain points of thebody will like release certain
things and like every time Icome in she goes oh, your eyes
look so like dim because I'mtired, but she's like when we're
done session she goes.
There's like light back in youreyes and I was like oh, thank
you well thank you yeah, it's socool.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I love, I love, like the combination.
That's why I love holistichealth and well.
Yeah, so like it's veryinteresting to me as well.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I think, I love that.
It's very interesting to studyand it's just like overwhelming
because we weren't taught thatobviously there's nothing wrong
with medicine like I'm onmedicine for things, and it's
like nothing wrong with that butI just feel like that's like
the first thing we think of overhere and that's like how about
we just maybe figure out ifwe're hydrating, sleeping and
like eating like the stuff we'resupposed to be eating, and like
(27:20):
that all ties in.
Like she had allergies, likebecause allergies are like
really bad.
I think the pollen's really bad, and the pollen was bad in
jersey too but she would startgoing to acupuncture before she
started practicing and sheeventually like weaned herself
off of her allergy medicationbecause she didn't need it
anymore.
It's like they would just likehit like certain points every
time she would go.
Yeah, it is really cool.
(27:42):
Yeah, I was like well, that'smy goal.
I'm not on medicine now, butlike I still have allergies, I
just, like, you know, fog it outbecause I don't want to take
medicine yeah but.
But when she was like I don'thave allergies anymore, I was
like what?
Like the first thing she toldme at like my first session, I'm
like, thank you, Like I want tobe that.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, I have.
Um, I just don't want to forgetour, would you?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
We can end it with a, would you rather?
Um, jayman, do you haveanything else to say to the
listeners or anything you wantto share?
Any shameless plugs?
You know, it's like I said.
It's kind of funny like thingsare coming full circle.
So, um I, where are you girlslocated?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
we're in maryland yes , that's cool.
We're both like 30 minutes fromeach other yeah, um, yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
So I'm on the east coast, um in New Jersey, but
local to South Jersey, you know.
Obviously I have classespopping up, but I'm opening up
the virtual world again.
I kind of like what I?
because now things are umbecoming very family integrated
and if I'm anyone's interestedin health coaching or any sort
(28:56):
of that kind of work, then I'mhere.
The website is called oh howHealthy, and that's the website.
That's where you can find me onsocial media and feel free to
send me any questions that youmight have.
I'd be happy to help.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, we'll put all of your info in the show notes
and like we'll tag you on social.
But on social, but yeah, I lovethat.
I would love like to see youmore virtually yeah, like we
already see you we've kept intouch but like I feel like next
time we're in jersey we're goingto let you know so we can all
the kids hang out yeah, that'dbe so fun, I would love, love.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
I would like to get together and hang out, but every
time I see your kids classes.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I'm like oh, I know it's such a good idea.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I was like my kids would be right there in the
class I know I saw your, yoursocial media post today and, uh,
I was like you because you were.
You were what took this kid toswim, oh yeah oh girl, your
message you're like go moms.
I'm like yeah yeah, I just.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I was like I have a message to share today, guys
every weekend really yeah um, Itexted my husband.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I was like I'm requesting 30 to 60 minutes to
myself when you get home.
I love it.
It's a huge need.
Of course you just need it.
Yeah, it's much needed.
Oh yeah, just after this, nonap day.
But we got through it.
We got through it.
We did Okay.
First one is would you ratherhave a rewind button or a pause
(30:31):
button on your life?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Oh pause, oh pause.
Yeah, you rather have a rewindbutton or a pause button on your
life.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Oh pause, oh pause.
Yeah, I don't want to rewindanything.
I know, you know what I feellike.
Reminding would be nice, butonly third part.
Watch the movie the butterflyeffect.
But I know, yes, I feel like.
Could you imagine like I wouldgo back to my 20 year old self
and smack the shit on myself?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
don't do that, don't make that choice yeah, but um,
yeah, oh.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Would things end up the same way?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I don't know, I don't know I would just want to hit a
pause, just like such a thing.
It's like we have to do thatevery day.
But rewinding I feel like, like, especially if you couldn't
change anything, it would justbe like such so traumatic just
to like watch it happen, likeyour 20 year old self, just like
you can't do anything about it,you don't want
Speaker 4 (31:16):
to do that no one would have ever.
You wouldn't listen to anyonelike you know, you had to do
some stuff.
You did, you know.
Yeah, that's how we got heregreat story, yeah, yeah, no, I
would even take the pause buttonto like reorganize my closet
and then resume.
Thank you, love that amazingyeah cool, one hour cool.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I think I would pick pause too um.
Would you rather always knowthe truth or be blissfully
ignorant?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
oh, no, no the truth.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I feel like I'm blissful, blissfully ignorant,
to be honest I think I'm theretoo.
My husband fills me in with thehighlights of the world.
I don't need to know.
And if I can help, if I cansupport, if I can do my part,
I'm there, but probably.
Well, I mean, I guess itdepends what it is.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I'm gonna say it depends.
I want to be bookfully ignorantto certain things, like the
things going on with the world.
I'm like I don't want to hearabout like another war breaking
out or whatever, but like thetruth, about like motherhood,
that would have been nice butthere's just certain things I
feel like you have to walkthrough, like people, like
people can tell you, like you'resaying, like you wouldn't
listen to anyone at 20, like youjust have to go through it
yourself.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah but, I feel like I would have loved a heads up
yeah, but like you don't want tobe ignorant about things going
on in your personal life either,yeah, right, yeah just on a
bigger scale and not like sounaware, like I want to be aware
enough that I know that I can'ttake all of that in all the
time you know yeah, yeah, likeI'm not, I don't sit around and
(32:56):
watch the news, like I can't.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I'm like I can't really take all that in,
especially becoming a mom you'relike, oh no.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I can't do this.
I can't even watch moviesanymore, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I know I feel like Tawana.
You said something.
You were like my stomach, orlike I was not built for this
world, or like my stomach wasnot built for this world.
I'm like yeah, yeah and.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I always say my co-worker is not built for this
world because she is soempathetic, like yeah, she cries
about everything.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Not like, it's just like, she just feels everything
and I'm like, yeah, you werejust not meant for this world
girl, she's like you just gottalike, just stay as positive,
blissfully ignorant, and just doyour best and yeah, just to
spread your light with the world.
I know, that's all we can do.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Do you have?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
one more, or was that a, I think?
These are fun they are fine Iwas like I think I can get one
more okay okay, um, yes, okay.
Would you rather live acomfortable but boring life or a
risky but exciting one?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I'm gonna say comfortable and boring.
Now that I'm a mom, because Ican't be out here like risking
my life.
I need to get home to mychildren yeah, I guess.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I mean they both kind of sound interesting, risky and
what and what risky butexciting I mean, yeah, like life
before kids, maybe a little bitmore risky.
Yeah, yeah, like I alwayswanted to do bungee jumping.
I don't know if I missed it but, like well, I'm, I'm, I'm a,
(34:33):
I'm a homebody, I am anintrovert if you ask me, I'm
probably looking towards likecomfortable, you know, cozy and
whatever boring.
But yeah, I mean, I know that Ineed to, especially for the kid
.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
You know my kid needs to stay social, so I need to
like be more like one thing,true, like we'll take you to the
library, like that's a littlerisque for me yeah, yeah ours
today was sitting in the pandaexpress drive-thru and then
waiting for a target drive-uporder living on the edge.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, my house, that was exciting yeah, exactly, we
got some sun whatever I thinkI'm gonna pick comfortable, but
boring.
Boring because when I got onthat jet ski I was on it for
maybe five minutes and was likedone for the day, like my.
I just I don't, I don't need it.
I checked the box.
(35:23):
You don't need it, who needsexcitement?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
We don't need it.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
We have enough excitement going on, girl.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
I know yes, well, thank you so muchie, yeah this
is so you know for having me.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I'm really happy we can connect.
I know it's like, I know we geton the calendar, but I'm happy
we got this together yeah that'swhat moms do and we love you so
much.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
We miss you and we will be talking more and we'll
let you know when the episode isout yes, hey.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Well, you girls keep doing your thing.
I love how you keep making timefor this, even though you both
are busy and doing your thinggood for you thanks girl, we try
thanks for joining us andsharing about what you do of
course.
Thanks for having me and have alovely rest of your afternoon
you too talk to you soon thanksfor listening bye all right,
(36:22):
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I'm your co-host, Tawana Page.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I'm your other co-host.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Cherie Page Barber.
Hi guys, we have a guest.
Yes, jamie's weird, hi Jamie.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Hi, sorry, you left like a little gap gap.
I didn't know if I had an noyou're fine.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I'm so excited.
I feel like you were on one ofmy podcasts a few times with
tawana, like way back in the daybefore we all had kids oh yes,
okay throwback so like that waslike life before kids and then
life after kids and like, oh man, it's a lifetime ago, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Tell us a little bit about yourself.
Jamie, what do you do?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
So what I do is I bring nutrition and culinary
programming to schools andcommunities.
So what that means is I do alittle bit of everything when it
comes to kids, families,healthy eating, health coaching.
I do some.
So I bring healthy cookingclasses to like mommy meat
classes to community centers, toafter school clubs.
(02:00):
I push into schools and workwith schools.
You know preschools and youknow I'm all about healthy
eating.
Whatever way that I'm able toinfluence families, whether it's
health coaching or hands-oncooking classes, nutrition
education I'm your girl.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I love that so cool.
Also, just a personal testamentto Jamie's work.
I used your program for a whileand it was very healthy, like
the meal planning and grocerylist, and it was amazing and a
lifesaver.
So, great work, yes.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, I love that.
I just told Jamie earlier, liketwo weeks ago, that I wish we
were in Jersey so the kids cango to her class.
She always posts like all thesecooking classes for the kids
and I'm like, no, I wish we werein Jersey so the kids can go to
her class.
She always posts like all thesecooking classes for the kids
and I'm like, no, I wish we werestill there.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, we don't have anything like that here.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's only a matter of time.
I feel like things are poppingup here and there, but I like to
, you know, differentiate,because we like to be healthy.
So it's funny, cause I havefriends who do cooking classes
elsewhere and they're like doyou ever get pushed back because
your classes are healthy?
I'm like no, in fact, the kidswill call me out if I, you know,
if I introduce chocolate chips.
And they're like Miss Jamie,that's not healthy.
And I'm like well, they'reoptional, so you don't have to
(03:16):
add them.
They're like no, no, no, wewant them.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Just want to make sure you knew knew.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Yeah, yeah, a little bit of chocolate is okay, every
here and there yes, everythingin moderation, for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, apparently I heard, dark chocolate is good
for you too.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Oh yeah a little bit less sugar in those.
But you know all about, allabout balance.
But my son had.
What did he?
We were just at the grocerystore and he picked up the blue
what is it?
The sour patch, kids jello andand he had something.
And you know what?
You know he has, he has heindulges.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Sure, I don't restrict it, because then like
he'll pick it up and then he'llput it down because I'm not like
no, no, no yeah it's a littlebit here and there is fine yeah,
for sure, I think, especiallyat this age too, because it's
just like they're learning whatthey like.
We can't be too picky, you knowa fat kid is a happy kid yeah
(04:15):
exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, jamie, how old is your son?
He's two and a half, he's a.
He's officially at that two anda half mark.
He's acting the part, oh that'sright.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
He's also november, right, yeah, yeah, what about oh
?
Yeah yeah, so sage is um.
She's end of november the 28th,so she's not two and a half yet
, but she's almost there oh,sage is my dog's name, then oh
my gosh, first baby.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
So I love that name, love that is it s-a-g-e?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
or s-a-i-g-e, I s-a-i-g-e.
That's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yeah, thank you, yes I love it and my boys are five,
I'm a six and then my youngestwill be three in like three
weeks I remember when you werepregnant with your oldest, I was
like it was like, yes, it wasso amazing, like it was like I
don't know if it was a surpriseor not, but it hit me like a
(05:13):
surprise.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
No, it was not.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
I was just like a couple months.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I love that crazy it was wild tell us about how you
got into like what you're doingand like what inspired you,
because you didn't start outdoing it like for kids?
Did you because sheree was onyour plan, which isn't for kids?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
but if you tell us a little bit about that, yeah, you
know well, um, I initiallystarted my career in education,
so i'm'm elementary certifiedand school age certified, so
pre-K to six, and I was intoteaching for about two years and
I just seen the difference.
I just seen what parents wantedtheir kids to eat, what schools
(05:54):
were feeding the kids, whatteachers.
There was such a disconnect andso I guess I'm just an
impulsive person, so I kind ofjust like pulled back and I went
back to school.
I became a certified holistichealth coach and then that's
when I, you know, kind ofconnected because I would do the
work with women and it's sofunny because that work that I
(06:17):
did, I need that so much formyself right now.
Like I try to remember, I kindof incorporated that work into
some of the schools that Iworked with and it was just such
(06:37):
a lovely fit.
I really love, um, working withkids and just getting them
excited about food and um and um.
So, and and now it's kind ofcool that we're reconnecting and
kind of having this kind ofcome full circle and I work with
families and I do familycooking classes and because it's
(06:58):
such a family effort you know,seeing things from I is really I
really just want to emphasizethat it doesn't have to be very
expensive or stressful ordifficult or time consuming,
Like it's just going to.
I want it to be part ofeveryone's life, because that's
(07:20):
just how we show up as our bestselves when we're feeling
healthy, whatever that means toyou.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah yeah, for sure.
What was there ever like apersonal endeavor or journey
that you had to use nutritionfor?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
or well, I did things on my own.
I didn't even really have, um,you know, uh, my parents were my
parents and like they kind ofjust never taught me anything
about being healthy and, um, Ideveloped eating disorder in my
teenage years and probably intomy early 20s, um, you know, and
overcame that and I just use, Iwas just always into nutrition
(08:04):
and food and um, and yeah, so I,I, so that's kind of like a
little bit about me, like how Igot into this and yeah, I really
had a nasty relationship withfood and I became, you know, so
it kind of that was a little bitof my, my past with that, but
(08:25):
it's, it's really beautiful therelationship that I have now
with food and I'm, you know,last night, actually, me and my
family were celebrating mycousin's, uh my niece's,
engagement party and we're atand I'm eating a salad, like not
because, like I, I just and myhusband's like yeah, it's great
sharing food, right, and I justlike love, I just love my
(08:46):
healthy foods and I cause I justI, how I feel after I eat
certain things, like I justdon't want to feel like crap, um
, I and and let me tell you now,this is like a whole different
relationship that I have withfood now, cause my pregnancy
calls me to gain 30 pounds Like,and I actually still got weight
, got weight and um, and so nowit's like a different.
(09:09):
Like I want to work out, I wantto eat healthy, to be the best.
Like I don't want to look backat these photos of me and my son
and my family and be like, oh,like chunky, like you know, and
it's just like a.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I want to be healthy now for different reasons yes, I
think that that was a big partfor me.
So we have a similar, just kindof like history of just like
disordered relationship withfood and it lingering at a very
formative time of life I thinkespecially for everybody, but I
(09:44):
think especially for justfemales and like building
confidence and figuring out whoyou are and what you like.
And, um, I've learned now forme that healthy is more about,
like you said, like how it feelsand like how I feel while I'm
eating it, after I eat it, asopposed to like how it makes me
look or an outcome that I'mtrying to achieve, which has
(10:09):
been a lot easier to maintainfor me, because I'm also finding
like foods that I like and,like you said, don't make me
feel like trash after, and thenthere's foods that I like and I
don't feel great after, and likefinding the balance of it's
okay to eat, that it's just.
Do you want to feel like trashfor the rest of the weekend, do
(10:30):
you know?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
just kind of like giving myself some grace,
especially in motherhood, mygoodness we can find two seconds
yeah, yeah, sometimes just acan of soup and I'm like, yeah,
exactly yes, yes, jamie, did youum when you're so much younger,
did you breastfeed?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
and if you did, did you like try to integrate, like
the eating healthy in that orformula fed?
I mean, I'm just interested inthat.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah, if you I know, I'm glad you brought that up
because, um, no, well, he wasbreastfed, yes, and he actually
breastfed until he was probablytwo, so like, congratulations,
amazing, so cool he, he, myhusband would give me crap, but
(11:16):
he's like you know and and nowyou know I, I knew it kind of
wanted I, because he was such,he's such a little chunker and
as soon as he started eating hewas losing weight like, and I
knew so.
It was like the breast milk,that was like chunking him up.
Yeah, um, yeah, that's some goodmilk, mama, I guess lots of
eggs, I don't know, for somereason, I actually do remember
(11:38):
that, yeah yeah, I don't know.
So, um, what was this like?
Oh you know what?
So so I would not eat.
I don't think I was eating veryhealthy.
I you know what I kind of had.
So for me, I went through alittle bit of fertility stuff
with him, okay.
Okay, once I had him, like ittook years for me to like, like
(12:00):
and so like had him.
I think I was going throughsome like weird postpartum stuff
because I was just puttingeverything into him.
I really wasn't going to dosleep training, wasn't going to
do this.
I wasn't going to do thatbecause I was just giving him
everything.
But it was literally untilNovember of last year.
So what is that?
(12:21):
2024.
Eight months ago when I startedto clean up my act and it was
just weird it was.
I was in a weird funk, I feellike.
So I was not focusing on myself, I was not working out, I was
not eating healthy and I don't,and I was just like now.
(12:41):
It was weird.
So I definitely breastfed, I,moms who breastfeed, moms who
don't breastfeed, you know it'sall great Whatever works for you
.
I know formula is super easy andyou know, um, yeah, so, uh, and
I guess I say that because momswho are in like a funk, even
(13:02):
postpartum I mean, they say thatyou don't, your hormones don't
bounce out until you're twoyears postpartum, and I truly
felt that I mean, maybe it'spart of like the breastfeeding
thing, but like I don't know, Iwas in a weird, weird funk.
So, um, yeah, and now, you know, I am kind of seeing like the
light on the other side of thetunnel and when you think of
(13:23):
another kid.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I'm like oh, deep breath, okay, yes, Sheree and I
talk about that a lot, like howit takes forever, not just for
your body to recover, but likeyour hormones.
Because if you ladies remember,like right after they're born,
it's like you have no idea whatday it is.
You have no idea what's going on, like you're bleeding, leaking,
like it's just everything isout of funk and you're just
(13:47):
trying to keep this baby aliveand yourself and I just think
we're not always like taught theright things and like I just
feel like it's like ourgeneration is the one to like
talk about certain things.
I just think we're kind of likegiven this baby like okay,
figure it out yeah, yeah, andeven, like you know, I'm someone
who keeps it.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I like to say I'd like to keep it real, and so
that's why we love you no nosuch thing.
But like it's so, likestraining even on your
relationship Right, and oh yeah,we can have a whole episode
about that and so like I don't,and with work, like I work for
(14:31):
myself.
So like I was just in like this,like whirlwind of like getting
my footing, we were moving, we,we sold our house.
Um, while I was pregnant, Ilived with my in-laws for nine
months and we moved out when myson was three months old and we
were renovating.
It was just like crazy.
Like so now I'm like okay, likethis place is starting to
finally feel like home and myson is starting to like sleep
(14:53):
through the night and like meand my husband kind of like each
other, you know, yeah, you knowfinally like trying to, you
know, do better for myself, andI'm like okay, and that's just
part of the process, it's wild.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
No for sure.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Terrifying and fun and scary, and just like when
you have one, you're like whathappened?
Like when you have more thanone, you're just like does this
ever end?
Like are we ever going to getoff the merry-go-round?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, and so I guess I say that all really to just
because I guess there's a pointwhere I can just like feel like
I can just let myself go, andthen it's not important to like
give back to myself, but I knowI was not being my best self.
And then, as soon as I startedto like make time for workouts
again and, you know, meal prepmy food again, I'm like okay,
like I remember myself again.
(15:40):
I still have those news.
But you know, I made a humanand we made all of us.
You know we made these littleperfect humans and so I'm giving
myself grace.
So it's just as part of theprocess.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It definitely, it definitely is.
I think that I, as you weresaying, that I was realizing
like this is the first weekendin five weeks and in five weeks
(16:17):
and yes, I've counted that Sagedidn't wake up at 2 am and just
like have a party for likeSaturday night into Sunday.
So the past few weekends I feltlike a zombie and just haven't
had energy to meal prep, toclean, to like set myself up for
the week.
And this is the first week thatI feel like a human.
So I'm realizing it's almostlike a like.
It's a little bit like a traumaresponse, because when those
things happen, my brain is likelike today it's gonna suck and
(16:42):
then tomorrow it's gonna suckand I'm gonna be like I just
like go down the spiral of howthings are gonna be terrible
because I'm sleep deprived andanxious and blah blah.
So I'm trying to find like alittle thing that I can do that
works.
So like last week it wasthrowing a pasta salad together
with things that I had like onmy grocery list and chat GPT put
(17:05):
it all together for me.
Like I love that I can shut mybrain off a little bit but still
achieve this goal of likeeating things that don't have me
recovering from it for threedays and it's a very tough
balance, like it's a lot ofmental gymnastics that goes into
.
Yeah, staying alive and keepinga human alive, yeah shree I
(17:29):
know we talk, well, we talkevery day.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
But I know last week you were like I was in a funk,
like you were saying.
You were in a little funk also,jamie, for like all those years
, but I was just, I think it wasonly period, I can't remember
anyway so I was just liketalking to shree about it and
then she was like you know whatshe's like?
I've been eating like littlecuties and those things are
bringing me so much joy and Iwas like a little thing, yeah,
oh, and I was like it's like thelittle little thing.
She's like I just love my citrusfruit yeah, it's really it's
(17:55):
making such a difference.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I because also, jamie , as you were talking, it's
really cool for me to likeconnect with moms that are on a
similar timeline yeah so theNovember babies because I'm like
what's my kid doing, what'stheir kid like?
how are you feeling?
I, up until this weekend, waslike am I still like?
Do I still have postpartumdepression?
(18:17):
Is it possible for it to lastthis long?
Because it really does like itlingers, and then you have
moments where it goes away andthen you think you're in the
clear and then it comes back andit's there for a few more weeks
and so.
I think nutrition has also beenhelpful as a way for me to catch
(18:37):
something, because if I'mdowning like bagels and cream
cheese like I'm on maternityleave, I'm probably depressed.
If I can make myself a colorfulmeal, I might be doing a little
bit better that day.
So it's been helpful to gauge,like where I am mentally too,
which is interesting.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, and when you thinkabout it, when you're eating
that colorful meal you'regetting all those nutrients and
vitamins in your system andthere's no way that you're not
going to feel like a little bitbetter from all that fiber and
nutrition.
You know it's gonna yes but Ilike what you're saying.
You know you're kind of gaugingit based off of like you're
kind of being able to see howyou're feeling, based off of
(19:17):
what you're able to kind of puttogether that day or yes, and
like the craving.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I don't know if that's like a universal, but you
know that craving like ifyou're craving carbs, you
probably need more energy Ifyou're craving red meat.
You're probably low on iron,like things like that.
Just like tuning in a littlemore yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Sugar, carbs, sleep.
I know I've been wanting tolike get into, like
understanding, like my hormones,like women's hormones, better.
I don't know, jamie, if you tiethat into like your work with
women, but Sheree and I havebeen like not going down rabbit
holes but like looking at peoplewho like study that and really
trying to like understand.
So we, sheree, told me aboutthe Lively app I don't know if
(20:02):
you've heard of it Like youtrack your cycle not to get
pregnant, like you can if youwant to be like I'm doing it for
like my period and like ittells you like what cycle, like
what phase of the cycle you'rein and like what to do like in
that cycle based on like yourenergy levels, yeah, and it like
tells you what to eat, but Ididn't like I find it so
interesting and like I'venoticed a difference.
Like have you tried to tie thatin like the women that you work
(20:24):
with, or do you do that foryourself?
Because I'm like I need to findmore women who do this so I can
like feel so hard because Ifeel like we were never taught
this.
No, not at all at all.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah, there's.
There's a lot of differentthings.
There's like seed cycling haveyou ever heard of?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
yes, I've heard of that.
Yeah, I don't.
I was like that soundscomplicated but like I've heard
people that do it, they findlike they found success with
that yeah, you're like now.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Don't let me eat the wrong seeds in the wrong days
like god forbid.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Like I ate an almond instead of a peanut, like well,
that's what they do.
So an almond instead of awalnut.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
That's why I'm so angry yeah, um, but no, I
actually have a calendar, like alittle um physical calendar
that that nice tracks like itkind of goes along with what
you're saying, the phases ofyour cycle, and I always funny,
I always like it kind of goesalong with what you're saying,
the phases of your cycle, and Ialways think it's funny.
I always think, like it saysMonday is like your day to chill
and I'm like dude who has timeto chill on a Monday, like relax
(21:18):
and reset.
I'm like I don't know sistersnot, not so they, you know it's
you take, you take what you needfrom that.
But, um, when it comes tospecific hormones, um, I don't
specifically work with hormonesI I partner with, like I can
refer out to other people thatnice, you do, that work I, you
(21:40):
know it's.
It's kind of I always thinkit's like a little bit funny,
not fun, funny maybe, but like alot of the symptoms, like let's
say what, a lot of the timesthe symptoms that you might be
having when you're having somesort of hormonal imbalance.
I mean there are some talkingabout seed cycling or you know
if someone is vegan orvegetarian, but a lot of times
(22:02):
the protocol is whole food basedmeals, you know, usually
protein based, colorful, proteinbased, almost like the
Mediterranean style meals.
And yeah, we all know, we alllike it's very intuitive,
intuitive us for notes, for usto know what to eat.
And so where I help people islike okay, so we know we should
(22:25):
be eating fish, we know weshould be eating some, uh,
cucumbers, some mixed greens,things like that, mixed greens
and uh, but what do we do withit?
How do we make it delicious?
How do we make it affordable?
How do we make it somethingthat the whole family can enjoy?
That's my, that's my jam,that's what I like to.
But when it comes to specifics,uh, there is something that
(22:46):
that, uh, I don't know if yougirls ever had.
Uh, it's uh, there's a testthat you can take that tests
your blood and it can if youhave certain food sensitivities.
Oh, okay, I haven't tried it,though I'll cat test and it's
okay okay, interesting becausethey're very there can be very
subtle food uh sensitivitieslike, for example, you know,
(23:10):
almonds you may not be allergicto almonds.
Oh, a slight sensitivity toalmonds, and if you're someone
who's drinking almond milk, tosomething like whole milk or
skim milk because you want to godairy-free, it might be, um,
causing a negative effect versusyou know, a positive effect.
Yeah.
So there are little things likethat.
That can, that can, okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
No, I love that.
Also, I know like some peoplewhen they go gluten free or like
when they just like take outcertain foods from, like, their
diet, they notice like a hugedifference, because some people
if they eat gluten or something,it's like they're they're
inflamed and they just feel likegross, but like if for like a
week they don't eat anythinggluten, like they feel fine and
it's like they don't always needto go to the doctor to figure
(23:53):
it out.
They're just like more sotrying to like listen to their
body.
So I think that's all connectedand I'm just so fascinated by
that yeah, like sleep, whathydration?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
um, some whole foods, some.
You know you want to reduceyour stress as much as possible,
as much as we can, right, yes,and.
And yet, like these very basicthings, that sure there are
medications and everything playsits part and has its role.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
But a lot of times we are overlooking the very basic
common things that we can changeon our own yeah, no, I love
that.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
And I know I've heard the people who have taken like
food sensitivity tests like theycome out they're allergic to
like eggs or like I'm like no,that's, I was like I don't want
to take the test.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yeah, it's pretty interesting what you know, what
can be even like your blood type.
Like, do you know what yourblood type is?
I know, sheree, you probablyheard me say that before.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I wish I knew I was like.
Now that I think about it, Ifeel like I knew it at one point
and I almost feel like it cameup during, like, labor and
delivery.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
But oh yeah, it may have yeah, like you have to be
what one of your parents is, andif both of your parents are the
same, then you are that, butyou have to be what one of your
parents is.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah interesting, that is so interesting does that
tie into like how you?
Does that tie into like innerworkings, like how you digest?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
oh my god like, yeah, um, yeah, so if um like eastern
medicine, um, eastern medicinefollows the blood type diet kind
of blood type like we followastrology.
Yeah, so, like you know, theymight find like a man who has o
blood type more desirable versuslike a man who has a blood.
That's so interesting, yeah, so, yeah, it is pretty cool.
(25:41):
Once you I have a whole book, Ithink it's by peter d.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Didn't d donato um book about the blood type diet
and that is so fascinating andspeaking of eastern medicine, I
started acupuncture like sixmonths ago and I love it, like
my acupuncturist is amazing andshe always I don't know exactly
like the chart that she follows,but she said that I am an earth
(26:08):
person, I think or something,but like something.
But like all of that ties intolike how my horror scope is too,
because something with like mylow back and like my low body
and I'm a Libra and like that.
I don't know if that's just onesense, but like that, like
Libra, like the Libra that I am,has like issues with the low
body.
Sometimes I'm like that is socrazy, but it's just so
(26:30):
interesting.
And like certain points of thebody will like release certain
things and like every time Icome in she goes oh, your eyes
look so like dim because I'mtired, but she's like when we're
done session she goes.
There's like light back in youreyes and I was like oh, thank
you well thank you yeah, it's socool.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I love, I love, like the combination.
That's why I love holistichealth and well.
Yeah, so like it's veryinteresting to me as well.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I think, I love that.
It's very interesting to studyand it's just like overwhelming
because we weren't taught thatobviously there's nothing wrong
with medicine like I'm onmedicine for things, and it's
like nothing wrong with that butI just feel like that's like
the first thing we think of overhere and that's like how about
we just maybe figure out ifwe're hydrating, sleeping and
like eating like the stuff we'resupposed to be eating, and like
(27:20):
that all ties in.
Like she had allergies, likebecause allergies are like
really bad.
I think the pollen's really bad, and the pollen was bad in
jersey too but she would startgoing to acupuncture before she
started practicing and sheeventually like weaned herself
off of her allergy medicationbecause she didn't need it
anymore.
It's like they would just likehit like certain points every
time she would go.
Yeah, it is really cool.
(27:42):
Yeah, I was like well, that'smy goal.
I'm not on medicine now, butlike I still have allergies, I
just, like, you know, fog it outbecause I don't want to take
medicine yeah but.
But when she was like I don'thave allergies anymore, I was
like what?
Like the first thing she toldme at like my first session, I'm
like, thank you, Like I want tobe that.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, I have.
Um, I just don't want to forgetour, would you?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
We can end it with a, would you rather?
Um, jayman, do you haveanything else to say to the
listeners or anything you wantto share?
Any shameless plugs?
You know, it's like I said.
It's kind of funny like thingsare coming full circle.
So, um I, where are you girlslocated?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
we're in maryland yes , that's cool.
We're both like 30 minutes fromeach other yeah, um, yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
So I'm on the east coast, um in New Jersey, but
local to South Jersey, you know.
Obviously I have classespopping up, but I'm opening up
the virtual world again.
I kind of like what I?
because now things are umbecoming very family integrated
and if I'm anyone's interestedin health coaching or any sort
(28:56):
of that kind of work, then I'mhere.
The website is called oh howHealthy, and that's the website.
That's where you can find me onsocial media and feel free to
send me any questions that youmight have.
I'd be happy to help.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, we'll put all of your info in the show notes
and like we'll tag you on social.
But on social, but yeah, I lovethat.
I would love like to see youmore virtually yeah, like we
already see you we've kept intouch but like I feel like next
time we're in jersey we're goingto let you know so we can all
the kids hang out yeah, that'dbe so fun, I would love, love.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
I would like to get together and hang out, but every
time I see your kids classes.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I'm like oh, I know it's such a good idea.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I was like my kids would be right there in the
class I know I saw your, yoursocial media post today and, uh,
I was like you because you were.
You were what took this kid toswim, oh yeah oh girl, your
message you're like go moms.
I'm like yeah yeah, I just.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I was like I have a message to share today, guys
every weekend really yeah um, Itexted my husband.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I was like I'm requesting 30 to 60 minutes to
myself when you get home.
I love it.
It's a huge need.
Of course you just need it.
Yeah, it's much needed.
Oh yeah, just after this, nonap day.
But we got through it.
We got through it.
We did Okay.
First one is would you ratherhave a rewind button or a pause
(30:31):
button on your life?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Oh pause, oh pause.
Yeah, you rather have a rewindbutton or a pause button on your
life.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Oh pause, oh pause.
Yeah, I don't want to rewindanything.
I know, you know what I feellike.
Reminding would be nice, butonly third part.
Watch the movie the butterflyeffect.
But I know, yes, I feel like.
Could you imagine like I wouldgo back to my 20 year old self
and smack the shit on myself?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
don't do that, don't make that choice yeah, but um,
yeah, oh.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Would things end up the same way?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I don't know, I don't know I would just want to hit a
pause, just like such a thing.
It's like we have to do thatevery day.
But rewinding I feel like, like, especially if you couldn't
change anything, it would justbe like such so traumatic just
to like watch it happen, likeyour 20 year old self, just like
you can't do anything about it,you don't want
Speaker 4 (31:16):
to do that no one would have ever.
You wouldn't listen to anyonelike you know, you had to do
some stuff.
You did, you know.
Yeah, that's how we got heregreat story, yeah, yeah, no, I
would even take the pause buttonto like reorganize my closet
and then resume.
Thank you, love that amazingyeah cool, one hour cool.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I think I would pick pause too um.
Would you rather always knowthe truth or be blissfully
ignorant?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
oh, no, no the truth.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I feel like I'm blissful, blissfully ignorant,
to be honest I think I'm theretoo.
My husband fills me in with thehighlights of the world.
I don't need to know.
And if I can help, if I cansupport, if I can do my part,
I'm there, but probably.
Well, I mean, I guess itdepends what it is.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I'm gonna say it depends.
I want to be bookfully ignorantto certain things, like the
things going on with the world.
I'm like I don't want to hearabout like another war breaking
out or whatever, but like thetruth, about like motherhood,
that would have been nice butthere's just certain things I
feel like you have to walkthrough, like people, like
people can tell you, like you'resaying, like you wouldn't
listen to anyone at 20, like youjust have to go through it
yourself.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah but, I feel like I would have loved a heads up
yeah, but like you don't want tobe ignorant about things going
on in your personal life either,yeah, right, yeah just on a
bigger scale and not like sounaware, like I want to be aware
enough that I know that I can'ttake all of that in all the
time you know yeah, yeah, likeI'm not, I don't sit around and
(32:56):
watch the news, like I can't.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I'm like I can't really take all that in,
especially becoming a mom you'relike, oh no.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I can't do this.
I can't even watch moviesanymore, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I know I feel like Tawana.
You said something.
You were like my stomach, orlike I was not built for this
world, or like my stomach wasnot built for this world.
I'm like yeah, yeah and.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I always say my co-worker is not built for this
world because she is soempathetic, like yeah, she cries
about everything.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Not like, it's just like, she just feels everything
and I'm like, yeah, you werejust not meant for this world
girl, she's like you just gottalike, just stay as positive,
blissfully ignorant, and just doyour best and yeah, just to
spread your light with the world.
I know, that's all we can do.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Do you have?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
one more, or was that a, I think?
These are fun they are fine Iwas like I think I can get one
more okay okay, um, yes, okay.
Would you rather live acomfortable but boring life or a
risky but exciting one?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I'm gonna say comfortable and boring.
Now that I'm a mom, because Ican't be out here like risking
my life.
I need to get home to mychildren yeah, I guess.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I mean they both kind of sound interesting, risky and
what and what risky butexciting I mean, yeah, like life
before kids, maybe a little bitmore risky.
Yeah, yeah, like I alwayswanted to do bungee jumping.
I don't know if I missed it but, like well, I'm, I'm, I'm a,
(34:33):
I'm a homebody, I am anintrovert if you ask me, I'm
probably looking towards likecomfortable, you know, cozy and
whatever boring.
But yeah, I mean, I know that Ineed to, especially for the kid
.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
You know my kid needs to stay social, so I need to
like be more like one thing,true, like we'll take you to the
library, like that's a littlerisque for me yeah, yeah ours
today was sitting in the pandaexpress drive-thru and then
waiting for a target drive-uporder living on the edge.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, my house, that was exciting yeah, exactly, we
got some sun whatever I thinkI'm gonna pick comfortable, but
boring.
Boring because when I got onthat jet ski I was on it for
maybe five minutes and was likedone for the day, like my.
I just I don't, I don't need it.
I checked the box.
(35:23):
You don't need it, who needsexcitement?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
We don't need it.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
We have enough excitement going on, girl.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
I know yes, well, thank you so muchie, yeah this
is so you know for having me.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I'm really happy we can connect.
I know it's like, I know we geton the calendar, but I'm happy
we got this together yeah that'swhat moms do and we love you so
much.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
We miss you and we will be talking more and we'll
let you know when the episode isout yes, hey.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Well, you girls keep doing your thing.
I love how you keep making timefor this, even though you both
are busy and doing your thinggood for you thanks girl, we try
thanks for joining us andsharing about what you do of
course.
Thanks for having me and have alovely rest of your afternoon
you too talk to you soon thanksfor listening bye all right,
(36:22):
everyone.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
This was another episode of turn the page podcast
.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
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and subscribe, and also don'tforget to leave a review, please
, and let us know what youthought about today's episode
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