August 27, 2025 • 48 mins
Join us as we dive into the liberating journey of body confidence as women in our 30s, exploring how hormones, motherhood, and aging change our relationship with our bodies.
• Embracing the changes that come with aging and motherhood
• Learning to track your cycle and understand how hormones affect your body and mood
• Discovering how stress, diet, and sleep affect hormone levels
• Finding freedom in the "I don't give a f*ck" attitude that often comes with entering your 30s and 40s
• Appreciating your body for what it can do rather than how it looks
• Recognizing that health matters more than appearance
• Navigating medical issues that develop with age and learning to listen to your body
• Understanding that women's bodies are amazing for growing, birthing, and nurturing children
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Turn the Page Podcast.
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Join us as we turn the page todifferent topics about losing
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(00:25):
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We talk about it all.
So grab your favorite drink,put the kids to bed, lace up
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We can't wait to connect withyou.
Welcome to the page podcast.
This is your host or co-host toone page.
(00:47):
This is your other co-hostsheree page barber.
We are sitting here in anundisclosed location recording
for you.
But no, we had a sister nightyesterday kid free night and it
is now the morning.
We are munching on some goodiesand recording this before we go
home for the day and tackle theday and prepare for the week.
(01:12):
Yeah, back to reality.
The last few weeks of summer.
Yes, yeah, summer is flying by.
You know I was.
This summer is the first summerwhere I was like, oh my god,
like it's already august.
Summer flew by.
This is really scary.
Yeah, like.
I just feel like we were just atour cousin's graduation party
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the end of june.
It's because we were just likea month and a half ago.
I feel like school ended.
It didn't even end that late,but it felt like it ended late
because because of all, like thesnow days or for you I mean,
summer started like the thirdweek of june, okay, so that
(01:53):
already felt like it cut into it.
That's true, it's just my allof july, rj, I don't think they
had.
No, they took away likebuilt-in days because of some of
the snow days.
Yeah, so maybe that's why itfelt longer.
But graduation for himkindergarten graduation for him
was like June 5th, oh yeah.
But they had, like they had togo to school some days where
(02:16):
they on the calendar where itcould have been like a no, but
because of the snow days theyhad to use them.
Oh yeah, the snow days they hadto use them, oh yeah.
But I think private I don'tknow if private school is
different from, like, the statelaws, because I know growing up,
it's like you have to be inschool 180 days.
I don't know about that.
I know that I feel like theytry to keep it on a similar
schedule, but I don't know theirrules for snow days and stuff.
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Yeah, but we're gonna dorosebud thorn.
What's your rose?
Oh, um, the rose is something.
I'm something good.
Yeah, um, I mean, I guess I'lljust cheat and say sister night,
it was nice to.
Why is that cheating?
(03:01):
Because it's like an easy one.
Oh, um, yeah, it was just niceto get out of our sick dungeon.
Yes, a little bit.
What about yours?
So mine is the sister night,but I have another one that you
just made me discover a productfor her hair.
Oh, yeah, the new can too.
(03:22):
What's it called?
It's a like a daily oilmoisturizer.
Yeah, yeah, and she was puttingit in her hair this morning.
I was like what is this?
So that's my rose, becausethat's amazing.
I love new hair products and Ican't smell right now because
I'm stuffy, but I trust that yousaid it smells good and I put
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some in my hair.
Yeah, it smells good and itdoes like 15 things, which is
great.
So I will be having you send mea picture of that later.
Yes, um, my bud is part of whatwe're talking about today, which
is body confidence.
Yeah, like leaning into that,and then my thorn is just that
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summer's flying and I'm alreadyseeing leaves on the floor on
the floor on the ground and I'mlike it's august.
Guys like can we hold offnature?
So that's kind of making me sadbecause although I'm a fall
girly, like from birth, I love asummer.
Oh my gosh, I love summer somuch.
Summer is fun.
We know you're a fall girly,although you're spring by birth.
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I love spring.
Every spring I feel like I likecome alive again.
Yes, so I love spring, but Iit's always been a tie for me.
Honestly, I've always said likethe intermediate seasons are my
favorite, the ones that aren'ttoo extreme.
It's like like fall and spring.
Yeah, it's like crisp and cooland you can wear like a crop top
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with a light jacket.
It's like not disgusting orfreezing.
But fall is my favorite forjust the vibe, like football and
crockpot recipes and lightingcandles and the colors.
I am leaning more into that,like I do like those things,
yeah, but I love to leave thehouse without a jacket.
I love spring.
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May is my absolute favorite,obviously because it's your
birthday, mom.
It's just a great month Like itfeels great.
Everyone's in a good mood.
Yeah, okay, great month like itfeels great.
Everyone's in a good mood.
Yeah, um, my bud is justprobably being sick.
Um, no, my bud is something I'mgrateful for.
I'm not grateful for being sick.
So, yeah, well, the rose issomething I'm grateful for.
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The bud is something.
No, rose is something good andyou can still be grateful for it
.
Yeah, but I think bud is likespecific to something you're
grateful for and thorn issomething bad.
Oh, I knew the thorn issomething.
Yeah, okay, rose is good.
Bud is something I'm gratefulfor is, I don't know, that's
always so hard for me, which isa problem, but, but I did take
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some DIY profesh headshotsyesterday.
You did so.
That was cool, right in ourundisclosed location.
Yeah, and also, add on to that,I took some really amazing
photos, apparently.
Yeah, shout out to myphotographer.
That was a good one.
Do you have a 14?
I have a 16.
(06:25):
Don't look at me, yours isbigger than mine, but those were
great photos.
On the studio yeah, I set up the.
I Googled, like, what settingsshould I set my iPhone to for
professional headshots?
And it was studio light.
Did you Google or chat GPT?
No, I Googled it.
Ai answered me, but it's like alittle blur.
Yes, at the top search.
(06:46):
Yeah, it's, it was portraitmode, studio light, and then I
edited, edited it with somesuggestions from chat gpt, so,
if you're interested, what's hergirly pop and some professional
headshot tips.
Hit your girl up my thorn.
Yeah, and I'm just negative.
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Nelly, like mornings are sorough for me.
Yeah, it's really hard for meto get up and get going, which
sucks because I used to lovemornings.
You did, um, I still do when Ican like take my time.
Yeah, I think I'm just tiredtoday because I don't sleep
great when I don't sleep at home.
So, yeah, that's all I'm sorry.
(07:33):
Side note um scrunchie, which isfrom the 90s and also it's
shimmery.
This is giving me extra clairevibes.
Claire's, yeah, it came as athree pack with a pink and gray
one, of course, of course, lightgray, dark gray, um, like a
heather gray.
Okay, right in the middle it'sgiving me such claire's vibes.
And then I have satin oneswhich are great for natural hair
.
Yeah, it doesn't pull when youtake it out.
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Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, that is tying intowhat we're talking about today.
We're talking about bodyconfidence and just it's a
loaded conversation, but I thinkit's.
It's a good one, yeah, and itneeds to be had.
Um, just full disclosure.
We're not going to be talkingabout pounds or size numbers.
We're just talking about like,based on how we feel.
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But in high school, obviously Iwas a smaller person, sure, who
I don't want to say who wasn't,but yeah, yeah.
And then, as I got older incollege, um, I, I was still
small, I think, but thinkingback I'm like, oh, I thought
that, like I wasn't, which islike wild to me, yeah, but like,
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of course, as you get older andlike your body changes, things
change.
I'm getting more into hormonestuff now, which is awesome.
I've had two kids, twoc-sections, like two pregnancies
it did a number and I'm likecloser to 40 than I am to 30.
So a lot of that stuff ischanging.
But I love hearing women intheir 40s like fully embracing
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their bodies at that age.
Yeah, so that gives me hopebecause obviously I'm not going
to be the small frame that I wasin my 20s, because that just
doesn't make sense.
I'm excited for 40s, because40s just gives girl.
You're like eight years away no, I mean for you and like
because I'm enjoying 30s.
I feel like I've really comeinto my own, but 40s feels like
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just like, don't give a fuck,like I'm just here to enjoy my
life.
Yes, I've heard that about 50s,but I feel like if you could
arrive to it in your 40s, likeit's amazing.
Yeah, especially for women,because there's just so many
unnecessary, unrealisticstandards, and I feel like it's
obviously different for men.
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But we can only speak becausewe are in women's bodies.
Yeah, um, but yeah, it's been ajourney.
I um.
So, full disclosure I am on thephysical pill, birth control but
I've heard a lot of women andlike my friends and just like
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talking to you, how's it go?
Yeah, it hasn't given me anylike side effects or whatever,
but like when my friends havegotten off or you've gotten off,
you're like I've made us a hugedifference in like my body.
I was like, oh, okay, so brain,yeah, so I'm.
I'm switching the type of birthcontrol that I'm using like in
probably the end of this monthor the end of this month,
(10:25):
forgetting next month, and I'mpretty excited because I think
it's going to have like positiveeffects, because I've been on
the pill since I was like 16.
So I've been pumped with likesynthetic hormones like all
throughout my body.
But the birth control that I'mtrying now is just more.
It's more localized.
Trying now it's just more, it'smore localized.
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So I'm excited about that,since I am now studying stuff
about hormones just for, like myinterest and how it affects my
body, and I have beenreligiously following the lively
app which we've talked about onhere.
Yeah, but I look at it everysingle day and this is based on,
like your cycle, so every womanwould be different, obviously,
because your cycle is different.
I also just found, downloadedand briefly got rid of it
because I hate the paywall.
(11:09):
Like I'm not paying for an app,I know, but you want to read
more.
Give me your credit card number.
No, thank you.
No, but the moody app does likesimilar.
Oh, I've never heard that.
It's like you might be feelinglike this today because
progesterone is high, or youmight be like wanting more alone
time.
You might have increasedappetite and they send you like
little email updates because Ideleted the app after I saw that
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you had to pay.
Yeah, so that's another goodone.
I just opened live.
We just took, if you guys likea live introduction, but I think
we also put it in ournewsletter.
I talked about it but, um, soit tracks your cycle and like
specifically down to like thephase you're in and like the day
of your cycle, yeah, and howmany more days you have into
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your period.
But then it breaks down likethings you could be doing and
moving wise and eating duringlike a particular thing.
So I am in my, I'm on day 11 ofmy cycle, in the follicular
phase oh, yeah, periods of 19days and, for example, for
suggestions of doing, it saysstart a new hobby or personal
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development course thatinterests you For the movement,
strength training to buildmuscle and boost fitness,
increase muscle mass, improvesmetabolism efficiency, boost
fitness, increase muscle mass,improves metabolism efficiency.
And for eating lean proteinslike chicken or tofu for muscle
growth and repair colorfulvegetables for a nutrient boost.
But also they give you allthese tips with all these cute
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little symbols and pictures.
For example, you could beeating chickpeas, black beans,
squash oh, not the food, but thesport.
I noticed that when I saw thelittle person throwing stuff
yeah, swimming, new experiences,peppermint oil.
So just suggestions in theparticular phase that I'm in
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right now.
And it also breaks down myhormone levels.
So it's like how much estrogen,progesterone, testosterone are
like going throughout your bodyduring that phase, yeah, um, and
I wish they would have taughtthis in school and health class
and not um.
The fact that a sperm and eggmake a baby yes, we know that,
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but like so many more thingsthat go into that, so that also
affects like our body and mybody like particular, and, for
example, like my boobs.
They were like we can talkabout sizes for this because I
mean it's not.
Yeah, so I was a b cup in highschool and I was like, oh my
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gosh, I'm so small and like Ikind of was, but just because I
had like a small frame, thatdoesn't really mean anything.
But as I got older, I was like,okay, I'm a c now, cool.
But like when I got pregnantwith my first and it has not
gone down I like doubled in sizeand breastfeeding was not
successful for me.
So maybe that's why becauseI've heard that if you
breastfeed, some women whobreastfeed like their boobs
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become like saggy and just likethey lose their like form and
shape.
Oh, and like everybody at somepoint.
I mean it does, but I feel likeit maybe speeds it up.
Like if you breastfeedconsistently, like, say, you
have like three kids and it'slike they're pretty close in age
and you're successful withbreastfeeding for all three.
Yeah, so it's like your bodynever really gets a break till
after the last one.
Yeah, um, but yeah, so props tomy two children for making my
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boobs bigger and staying.
So I finally got what I wantedwithout paying for them, so I'm
happy about that, but I'vealways wanted that, so I feel
like that's I'm fine, embracingthat.
Yeah, that's fair and yeah, I'mjust learning.
And also a lot of like my Iguess, bloat and like tension
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with how I feel is in mymidsection.
Yeah, which is frustrating.
But also, I don't know, it alsodepends on, like how much
you're lifting and like whatyou're lifting, like if you're
lifting weights, because thatcould like bulk you up and like
make you look a certain way.
It's all just like based onlike your body.
So all these like beautystandards that we've grown up on
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are bullshit.
Yeah, because everyone's bodyis different and it could be
based on anything Like somewomen have, like, obviously,
internal, like medical issuesthat affect, like their outside.
Yeah, and then genetics yes,that's a huge thing.
It's out of everybody's control.
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I don't know.
I think I'm just in a phaseright now where I don't care,
okay, good, good, because I'vecared for so long to the point
where, like, making myself sick,yes, same, yeah, and does it
feel freeing?
How do you feel?
Yeah, I mean I remember back inFebruary, when we were getting
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ready to go on our honeymoon oh,that's right.
Yes, I was like Puerto Rico'sgoing to get whatever body it
gets.
Yeah, I remember you weresaying that too, to get whatever
body it gets, like, yeah, andI've just been kind of riding
that wave.
Yes, I just don't have thecapacity to like care in that
way anymore.
I'm very black and whitethinking, so like, if I do care,
it means like being obsessiveand like tracking and like over,
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yeah, doing things.
Um, and I'm not in a spacewhere not only do I have like no
interest in doing that, becauseit's it's annoying and it takes
over, and like I feel like I'vespent a third of my life being
in that headspace and it's veryisolating and like damaging, um,
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and it takes a long time toundo and unlearn those things.
And I feel like I hit 30 and Ikind of was just like I don't
give a fuck, like it is what itis.
I've tried to change it and mybody's gonna do what it wants to
do, but I'm also okay with ifthis is where it's at.
When it like I'm healthy, I goto the doctor.
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Yes, that's a big part too.
I feel fine, except for beingtired, but it's not like a
chronic fatigue.
It's a mom of a toddler whoworks full time and it's a
normal fatigue.
The toddler you works full timeworks full time.
We're all tired, we're all likeyeah, so, but it's not like a
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medical fatigue, correct?
Some people?
Yes, yeah, yeah, and I thinkthat's common for a lot of moms
and and also same Like I'mhealthy too, I go to the doctor.
We go to the doctor regularlyand that has been instilled in
us since birth.
Thanks, mom, yeah, dad too, butmainly like Dad would go to the
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doctor as well, but Mom wasalways driving that ship.
It's been instilled in us toalways go to the doctor, like
keep our annual appointments.
Like, for example, I have adentist appointment next week, I
guess.
Apparently, I go every sixmonths.
Now, there's nothing wrong withmy teeth, everybody goes every
six months.
I thought it was annually.
No, you're supposed to go twicea year.
Okay, great, so I have alwaysdone that, but it's always odd
to me where it's like, wasn't Ijust here?
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Let me take that back.
Not everybody goes every sixmonths, but I think that that's
the recommended Okay.
So that's how we were.
We're growing up, yeah, becausewe just you know, our mom make
an appointment, she make youhave an appointment, say, we
would just like go, yeah.
But it's always a shock to mewhen I'm like, oh, wasn't I just
here?
So my, wasn't I just here?
Moments arriving this week,what was six months ago,
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february, yeah, we, yeah, wewent in march.
We go again in, yeah.
And then my boys and I haveinstilled it with my children
like they started going to thedentist and the eye doctor when
they were like old enough to go,yeah, maybe like two, like the
eye doctor.
They're like we don't reallysee them until they're like four
, unless there's like an issue,and there weren't issues, but
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there were some things we'relike, oh, we need to get you in
to see somebody Like my oldesthas glasses now, yeah, and he's
six.
We've had you went to seesomebody like my oldest has
glasses now, yeah, and he's six.
So he's had him for like a year.
But that wouldn't have beendiscovered unless I would have
if I had started taking him likenow if we would have not been
too late, but like the fact thatI had started taking them at
like 18 months, yeah, when theywould see them, because it's
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like, oh, let me just get somethings checked out, which I'm
grateful for that.
They go to the dentistregularly.
They of course have theirannual physical, which they both
had after their birthday thisyear already, and they get their
normal vaccines and everything.
And, of course, if thingshappen in between, obviously
we're going to the doctorbecause Daisy is our mother and
their grandmother and we can'tget past that.
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But so that also helps too.
My blood work has always comeback fine and blood pressure has
always been fine.
Speaking of that, I just did ahormone panel.
I'm excited I have thatconsultation this week to
explain to me what the hell Iwas looking at with my results.
Um, I signed up for joy andblokes.
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I will put that in the news, inthe newsletter, and also I, oh,
yeah, put that in thenewsletter.
Yeah, also the show notes.
I got it from another podcast,the jenna kutcher podcast.
But, um, yeah, so you sign up,you do a hormone panel.
They recommend like places foryou to go to get your blood
drawn, and mine was just likeone of our local lab cores and
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that was super easy.
I that's where I get all myblood work done for, like the
doctor's appointments andeverything and the it was done
like in less than three days,like everything.
Oh, that's nice, which isamazing.
So I'm excited to see what thismeans, which will also help me
fully embrace more of my body,too, to see what, um, I'm low on
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or good on or like what tocontinue to do or like start
doing.
But I did ask an importantquestion if, like, being on
birth control would affect theresults.
Yeah, and they said that itonly affects the results for two
types of hormones.
I forget which one it was, butprobably progesterone and
estrogen.
It was one of them, but alsoone that I've never heard of.
So it might affect those levels, but everything else was fine,
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like everything else, like itwouldn't affect anything else,
and it's like I think it's likea panel of like 40 or something
49 hormones.
Yeah, and they also like therewere that many and they also
have like an advanced one,because it also um dives into
like thyroid and like a bunch ofother things too.
Yeah, this was like a hormonepanel.
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They have one, an advanced one,where it dives into like a
bunch of other stuff too.
Yeah, so I'm excited to see andI will share those results once
I figure out what they mean.
We'll do an episode about thatbecause I think that's really
interesting.
I always thought it was like soexpensive.
But Jenna Kutcher and thecompany are giving like a 50%
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off and it's oh good thing.
If you, through your job, withyour insurance, through your job
, have FHA and HSA, it'sapproved so you can use your
account for that, which I did,oh nice.
And then, of course, well thewell.
For me, the lab work was freebecause it was covered under my
insurance.
That's nice.
So if anyone out there isinterested in that, I will
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definitely put in the show notesand, yeah, I'll put in the
newsletter and then also shareJenna Kutcher's episode about it
, because the the one of theco-inners was on her episode and
that's where they talked aboutand that's how I found out about
the discount.
Oh yeah, I thought it wasreally awesome.
Yeah, and like, whatever you'relacking, they have supplements
(22:22):
that could like help you likethrough their company.
Of course, you can use otherones too as well, but like
specifically tailored to that,if there's like something
lacking in your panel that youneed Nice, excited about that.
Um, my periods have definitelychanged since being pregnant and
having the boys.
Um, even being on the pill.
It has changed from like when Iwas 16 until now.
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Yeah, um, it's shorter sincethe boys like it's it.
When I first was getting myperiod back in the day, it was
seven days got in the pillbecause it was like really
intense periods over time andbrought it down to five days
still cramps.
But now it's three days, oh mygosh, which I literally get it
on a friday and it's like forthe weekend, which is like wild
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to me.
So I'm interested to see ifthat's going to change when I
start my new birth control.
I wonder if that's an age thingtoo, because somebody else I
won't, yeah, say no, but saidthat theirs is also three days.
So maybe that's something Ihave to look for.
Mine is six days and still,yeah, I feel you're not on the
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pill anymore, I know, but that'sthat means that's my natural
cycle, but even on the pill, itwas always like five or six days
.
Yeah, mine just became three.
I think it was like maybe rightbefore harris, right before we
got pregnant with harrison.
That would be so nice, but Iwill say I don't know if this is
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the birth control or just likemy hormones, but we talked about
this in the last episode.
Um, I just had my annualgynecologist appointment.
Yes, and for the past couple ofmonths, past couple of periods,
I have noticed things that Ididn't notice before.
Yeah, like the week of so, like, say, I don't get my period
(24:09):
this week, I think it's in liketwo weeks, but say this week I
get my period.
Like Sunday, I will bedepressed all the way until my
period.
Yeah, did you talk to her aboutthat?
That's what I'm about to talkabout.
So I talked to her about that.
I have never noticed that Likesuper depressed, like have no
energy on top of like that'sprobably from, like you know,
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getting your period, but toppledwith like depression and just
like not feeling like doinganything.
Every single symptom of period,like low, which I've always had
low back aches during my period, like every symptom, and then
the day I get my period, allthose symptoms just magically
disappear and I just get myperiod.
Yeah, and I'm like that is.
I've noticed it for the pastfour months.
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That has never happened to mebefore.
Yeah, and I don't know if it'sjust appearing or if I'm just
noticing, because I'm like howcan I not notice that?
Yeah, and like full disclosure,I'm also on like anxiety
medication, so it's like I'vebeen on it for a while so
obviously, like it helpsregulate me throughout the other
weeks, but like I,distinctively, I'm just like
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there's something going on.
Yeah, so she said it could bepmdd.
Like we'll see if it changeswhen I get on the new form of
birth control.
Okay, but that's somethingthat's been like alarming to me.
But then they just magicallydisappear the day I get my
period.
That's what always made me likequestion if I had it, because
pmdd is like symptoms resolveonce you're out of the like
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luteal phase is the worst.
So like when your period startsit goes away.
But mine, but mine is like Iget it throughout it and then
sometimes like the day or twoafter it too.
So I have like I think therewas one cycle where it was like
19 days of symptoms.
Oh yeah, I remember you told methat.
Yeah, so, and it helps to logbecause that's how she knew.
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Yeah, that is my current, Iwould say like body struggle
just figuring that out.
Yes, and then I also noticedthis past period.
Um, I was depressed the week ofmy period, but it also started
the week before, like the middleof that week, so 10 days before
, and I'm like okay, something'swrong because it's not supposed
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to happen until sunday.
It happened on like wednesdayof the week prior and I was like
what is happening?
So that's when I was like I wasgoing to bring it up to my
doctor anyway, but I was likethis is odd, maybe it is my
birth control, because I don'tknow if you guys know, but like
if you're on the pill, like youswallow it, obviously, but like
it has to travel, like down towherever it needs to go, but
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like needs to go, but like whenyou're on other forms, like it's
more localized, so it's just inthat particular area that it's
in.
So I'm hoping that that helpssome of my symptoms.
Yeah, because these hormones arethey're a beast, they are, um,
and also a lot of everythingaffects your hormones.
That's like more so, like whatwe're trying to understand as
well too.
It could be like based on likewhat you're eating and like
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stress, everything, sleep, andsometimes, like you didn't know
this either, but sometimes youcan work out too much, like your
body is just like I can't dothis anymore, but you keep, you
ignore it and you keep pushingand you can go into like adrenal
fatigue, yeah, which alsoaffects your hormones, because
it's not like a natural stateyour body should be in, which
puts more stress in your body,which affects your hormones,
because it's not like a naturalstate your body should be in,
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which puts more stress on yourbody, which affects your
hormones even more.
Yeah, which is like weshouldn't be taught this in
school.
I feel like it's just like toomuch to cover, because you
really have to do a deep diveand it's very individualized.
It is yeah, and it's veryindividualized.
It is yeah, so, but still likethere should be a like it's just
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all this stuff is mind-blowingand it's just makes me happy and
sad for women who like discoverthings.
You're just like, wow, so Iwasn't crazy all those years,
like it was my hormones, andit's like this is what we have
in society, based off of like oh, you must be crazy, or getting
your period Like no, like it'smy hormones.
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They're fluctuating and youknow, don't go have a baby,
because your hormones are justall over the place right after.
That's a wild time.
It's a wild wild west for thehormones.
Yeah, truly, it is wild.
On top of not sleeping If you'rebreastfeeding, just even if
you're not breastfeeding, likeyou're still up feeding the baby
.
Yep, like, no matter how muchyour partner helps, it's like
you're the mom.
You're like the main source ofeverything for that child.
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At that moment it's rough, yeah, it's so rough.
Yeah, I, I think I'm gonna dowhat you did and just go
straight to formula and like noteven.
Yeah, well, I tried it with both.
I tried breastfeeding with both, both.
But but in the hospital withharrison, you had him as formula
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fed, right, because they gaveyou formula, they did.
We were also in a shortage then.
So, yeah, same craziness.
Don't want to relive those daysand never will because I'm not
getting pregnant again.
But I did try him on the breastat first In the hospital.
See, I feel like I'm going tochange my approach, because that
was what I did with Sage andthat was like all that they
focused on.
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And that's when you were like,oh, my God, this is for the
birds.
Oh, that second day, yes, yeah,with the cluster feeding.
That was insane.
You're like, oh my God, I'mgoing to scream.
Yeah, she was up every 30minutes, oh nope.
And then the nurses were in ourroom every 30 minutes between,
yes, I had four IVs Checkingyour vitals and then checking on
Sage.
Oh my God, you don't get tosleep in the hospital after
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giving birth, no, no.
But I also.
They just casually were likeyeah, you spiked a fever, like
you have an infection, okay, soI had like two ivs in each arm
that they would have to come inand change.
That's awful.
And they had to do one of myivs twice.
I got like bruising on my arm.
I'm like this has neverhappened to me before.
What is happening?
I had to get one in my hand.
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I think I had that too.
I also had one right here whichthey had to redo, and this
might still be the bruise fromlike three years ago, but I just
noticed this bruise too.
Anyway, it was very painful.
We say all that to say like,listen to your body, do what
works for you.
Yeah, um, your body is foreverchanging.
You can look at it as like afun, not project, but like
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learning, like a good learningexperience.
Because if you would have saidthis stuff to me like even a
year, eight months ago.
I would have been like maybe ayear ago because I was into
hormones, like eight months ago,but I would have been like I'll
get back to you on that, like Iwouldn't have believed you that
, like everything affects yourbody, I feel like I had the
(30:37):
fortunate, unfortunateexperience of like I mean, I
know you did too, but I havedealt with depression my entire
life.
Yeah, it was always kind ofruling out like, oh, yes, yes,
yes, yes.
So I feel like I I forgot, I'vehad to be aware of it, for did
you ever?
Were you ever on thyroidmedication?
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No, because it was never anissue with my thyroid.
I'm just depressed.
No, I know, but I thought youyou did get your thyroid checked
a lot though, right, yeah, justlike through blood work.
Okay, it was always fine.
But that's you like rule thatout before you call it
depression, because it could be,could be that, that instead,
yeah, so, yeah, I feel like.
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And then it was like having tokind of adjust my diet to see if
that would help, which is also,like at the time, very
triggering.
Yeah, and then like IBS andjust all these internal things
that I've had to deal with,which I think I'm pretty sure
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the IBS was antibiotic caused,because it's wild that one
winter that Brandon and I wereso sick, I'm pretty sure we had
COVID.
Before we knew it was COVID, Iwas sick for like a month.
That's when RJ was like sixmonths.
That's when we were like I'mpretty sure we had COVID.
Well, maybe we did too.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was thenBecause I got three rounds of
antibiotics and no one told methat it was going to fuck up my
gut and it absolutely did.
So.
They all they talk aboutanybody's um giving women yeast
infections for some of them,yeah, yeah, which I didn't also
didn't know that it also couldaffect your gut, yes, and your
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gut is also like directlyrelated to your mood, everything
that so that I, within maybelike five months after that, I
got diagnosed with ibs um andhad to be like on a daily
probiotic and do an eliminationdiet for low FODMAP food.
Oh, I remember this journey.
It's been.
It's been a journey, poorbrandon.
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It's been on such a rollercoaster ride because it truly
was like cutting out all thefoods that I liked to figure out
which foods were messing withme.
And then I had like issues withdairy and like that's, is it a
gluten thing?
But like it's messed, but Iwould have to take lactate
before I ate anything dairy,which is crazy.
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Also, when some people takedairy out like they're
completely, they are completelydifferent, like in a good way,
yeah.
Yeah, I've also have, I alsohave gi issues.
I have an inflamed stomachlining, which I've had since
high school, but certain foodsalso like trigger like the
inflammation and like makes mebloated.
But it's like some sometimesthe foods that do don't, but
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then also, like I've noticedmaybe the past couple years,
that food doesn't just do, butstress also triggers it.
So, yeah, when I have a flarewhich I had one like last week,
I randomly get them.
I'm like, okay, I like breakdown, like what's going on in my
life?
Am I stressed?
Have I eaten like a bunch offried chicken lately or like
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things that I know trigger it?
Yeah, where, like I've beendoing fine, I'm like, okay, it
must be xyz.
So that's also what I'mlearning too about my body that
it's like.
Sometimes it is stress whichapparently is like a huge
trigger for inflammation as well.
Um, as part of my gi issues,yeah, and I always have medicine
on hand for that.
But still I'm like great, yeah,it's definitely a learning
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process and just having to kindof listen to your body it's like
very.
It's hard to because, have youheard of poppy?
Or like those drinks like theprebiotic sodas?
I want to know they'reprebiotic.
Yeah, which is so like.
They sound good, they havegreat flavors, they taste good.
I made the mistake of like wow,this is so good.
And like pounded, maybe two,one and a half.
(34:33):
If you have ibs or stomachproblems, they may not be for
you.
Um, because got a little bubblyaction.
Yeah, like fully triggered anibs flare up.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, so I can't drink.
Is it because of thecarbonation?
No, it's because the prebiotic,like whatever is in that like
because I don't know thedifference between pre and
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probiotic.
Same, I've seen that too.
My body responds to theprobiotic for the IBS and
calming down my gut, but theprebiotic sent my gut into a
total frenzy.
I, what is that Shoot?
What's that lifestyle calledwhere it's not paleo?
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For a while I did.
I guess it was like flexitarian.
I was trying to do like the inbetween, trying to lead more
towards the whole foods andthings like that.
Is it the whole 30?
No, I'm pretty.
I think it might have just beenflexitarian keto.
No, this was part of when I wasjust trying to figure out like
my elimination diet and thingslike that, and I've learned that
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when I have too much fiber orlike too too many not too many
vegetables, but like sometimestoo much fiber like it triggers
a flare.
That triggers that for a lot ofpeople too, like certain
vegetables and I'm like it'svegetables.
It's like so odd, but again,this is just what it is and like
it's your body and you justhave to like.
It's like you said, it's a lotof like trying things, but it's
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like trial and error, like ourbodies are trial and error,
which I think is so beautifuland amazing because obviously it
changes as you get older.
But if you just have thementality of like one not that
you don't care what you looklike, because you should or
whatever, but two, like makingsure you're healthy, that's the
number, that should be thenumber one.
Like making sure you're healthy, no matter what you look like.
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It doesn't matter what you looklike Like size wise yeah,
making sure you're healthy.
But also just like learning toand this is going to take
journal work and therapy andjust a lot of like um, shutting
up the outside, always listeningto yourself, like learning to,
because our bodies are alwaysgiving us messages.
So just learning to listen tothe messages our bodies are
(36:46):
giving, yeah, and exploring that, and that could that's fun.
I mean it's fun like you mighthave to go to the messages our
bodies are giving, yeah, andexploring that, and that could
that's fun.
I mean it's fun like you mighthave to go to the doctor because
something comes up.
But, hey, it means you're goingto the doctor and you're
discovering things.
But if you're a woman and youbleed and you have a uterus, and
if you've never had kids, thisdoesn't matter.
You have a uterus, you bleed oryou have blood in the past.
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It's just like start lookinginto hormones, like anything
hormone, and just type inhormones, women's hormones, and
google or chat, gpt, whateveryou use and then go to this is a
rabbit hole you need to go down.
Yeah, because it is wild and alot of things like said, some
things come up later.
Like you didn't have IBS beforeyou started taking those
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antibiotics.
Like sometimes, as you get older, some things just develop that
you don't know about.
Yeah, like some people, it'slike your body just changes
naturally and it's I don't know.
It's like a fun journey to see.
Like not fun because it'sannoying.
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It's like, oh, what am I gonnaeat today?
That's gonna make my stomachflare up.
But you know, it's just likelearning to embrace every stage
of your body that it's in.
Yeah, I I always heard that,like 30s, your body changes or
like responds differently tofoods.
I haven't had that happen yet.
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I know that's what made methink, but I feel like mine
happened before.
So, like, maybe I'm getting abreak, I don't know.
Um, yeah, when I turned 30, Imagically became allergic to
wine and shrimp.
Um, I'm fine now, at 37, almostno, oh, my god, 38, almost 39.
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Wow, sometimes you have to dothe math.
The older you get and thefurther down the the year chart
that your birth is birth year isum, yeah, I became allergic to
wine and shrimp to the pointwhere, like I couldn't breathe.
So weird.
And this was all not even trialand error, like it just
randomly happened and I wasdrinking organic wine for a
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little bit, which helped, butthen I'm fine.
Now, eight years, almost nineyears later, yeah, fine, well,
nine years is my 39th year, butanyway, um, that was a change
for me in my 30s.
That was internal, not external.
I, after I had sage, got plantarfasciitis.
Oh, that's right.
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I also I don't even know whatthe, I don't know what the
condition, but like I had to goto physical therapy for my hip.
Yes, like my body just fellapart.
I forgot about that.
Yeah, fully, because, um, mommy, recently was like having foot
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pain.
I was like it sounds like youhave plantar fascia and it
fucking sucks.
Like I would get out of bed toon maternity leave and feel like
I was walking on glass.
So I'm like not only am Irecovering from just having
birth and sleeping every twohour or trying to get sleep
every two hours, but now I washaving back pain.
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I had to go to a chiropractor,I had to go to podiatrist, I had
to go to physical therapy, Ihad to go to a nutritionist to
get, like my gut refigured out.
It really, I think just likerolling with the punches and
expecting things to change, likewe're not always going to be
spring chickens.
No, sometimes that comes withthings changing.
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What Sheree was saying beforeit's like I think I'm excited
for 40s for you and like just toexperience that with you, and
like for me, me when it getsthere.
But it's like just embracingyou getting older because it's a
blessing, yeah, and everythingthat comes with it, and you're
like I hit my 30s, just like Idon't give a fuck anymore, I
can't about, because it takes up, it lives right, it's lived.
(40:43):
How I feel about my body haslived right in front of my head
since I was like in middleschool or high school yeah, mine
goes back to second grade,shout out to my bullies look at
me now.
Yeah, um, it's just like ittakes up so much energy and time
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.
And I'm not saying it's likenot worth it, because it makes
it helps you discover otherthings later in life.
But just being like do youreally want to spend like the
latter half of your life likethat?
It just it's exhausting.
There's so many other things Tofocus on and like wear the
swimsuit, eat the food that youwant.
(41:25):
Take the picture Work out ordon't.
I mean, someone's probably goingto tell you you should work out
.
Find something you enjoy doingto move your body.
Yes, I love Zumba.
It doesn't feel like I'mworking out, it just feels like
I'm dancing with friends.
We should always be moving ourbody, not to like lose weight,
but because it's health, it'sgood for you, like getting your
cardio up is good for you, butlike that may look like a orange
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theory workout or zumba orcycling or running, like you
won't find me on a bike cyclingoutside, but I've done it before
when I was younger, but that'sanyway.
Um, yeah, so it's like whateverworks for you to keep you
healthy and your blood flowing,it can look different, yeah, and
it will look different, butit's not because you're dropping
pounds, it's because you'rejust being healthy, yeah, and
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you're stepping into different.
But it's not because you'redropping pounds.
It's because you're just beinghealthy, yeah, and you're
stepping into your body and it'slike I don't give a fuck either
, like just there's no time.
Yeah, I don't know about momsfor young kids and up, but moms
of littles definitely see you,we do.
I hear it passes.
I wouldn't know, because I'mstill very much in the thick of
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it.
The tiredness, just all of itthat comes with being a parent
of a little.
It does, trying to keep up withthe constant changes and not
getting great sleep, and all themilestones and regressions and
a lot happens in the first fewyears.
I will say, having asix-year-old, it passes, and
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then having a three-year-old, acouple, without like going
through it again with that stuff.
But every day I would say I'mlike gaining a little bit of my
freedom back, um, like little bylittle.
Yeah, um, it helps that it'slike two of them, because I'm
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like I'm not saying rj can likebabysit harrison, but like I can
like leave them in their roomswhen I'm upstairs with them and
like lay in bed and like read abook.
Yeah, because it's like rj willrun and tell me like harrison's
doing something, or I will hearthem, which I do.
But like if it was just rj atthree, I wouldn't trust.
Well, I didn't trust that Ialso had harrison because
(43:36):
they're three.
It's like he's by himself orwhatever.
Yeah, like what are you?
You're being left here indevices like stay with me.
But it does get better whenthey get older, like when they
are in like school.
So our year is going to firstgrade.
Harrison's three.
Um, it's definitely still crazybecause they're boys, yeah, and
it's still a wild house.
(43:57):
But I'm getting a little bit ofmy freedom back little by
little and I feel like I canleave them.
Leave them with dad.
It's like they're both of ourkids, but this undisclosed
location was dad's idea.
And it's like if they were likethree and like a newborn,
obviously that would not havebeen offered because it's like
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it's just too much.
Right then, yeah, but nowthey're six and three and you
have a boy's night while mom hasa girl's night out of the house
.
Yep, so it's just like it doesget better.
I'm only at six, only six yearsin that's what they say.
But we'll see and don't do it.
Don't look at old, don't lookat baby photos of them lying in
(44:40):
bed when you're not with them,because it will time's a thief.
I did that this morning.
I was like no, I know they'reso cute, I know Time goes so
fast, oh, such a thief.
But yeah.
So we're signing off by sayingwe don't give a fuck about our
bodies.
I mean, we do and we're happythat they're healthy, but based
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on how other people see ourbodies, yeah, we don't give a
fuck what other people thinkabout our bodies.
Like, I'm going to wear wear aone piece and you're going to
see my little kangaroo pouch,cause I've had two kids and I'm
wearing a crop top today.
So, yeah, and also, before wesign off, we are fully well me
personally.
I think you too would say thesame thing we are fully
embracing our bodies because ithas done and will do amazing
(45:25):
things.
Yeah, like it has carriedbabies, grown babies.
Amazing things.
Yeah, like it has carriedbabies, grown babies, birth
babies, fed babies truly likefalling apart and broken.
Yes, been been a pillow forbabies, like our boobs and just
like been the safe spot for themonce they're out of the womb.
Like our bodies are incredible.
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All women's bodies areincredible.
Um, we're speaking as a womanand moms, and I'm embracing that
because my body is amazing andhas nourished my children for um
40 weeks and three days.
40 weeks and six days, and youhad it with 40 weeks and six.
40 weeks and three days oh, Ididn't know what you were
(46:08):
talking about.
And 40 weeks and three days oh,I didn't know what you were
talking about.
And 40 weeks, I was You're.
40 weeks and six days yeah,mine was.
40 weeks and three days.
And 40 weeks and two days yeah,in that order.
So that's a lot, yeah, a lot.
And then afterwards Thanks,kids, I'm no longer a size eight
in shoes.
My feet never went back.
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Postpartum was worse for methan pregnancy.
So, yeah, yeah, but women'sbodies are amazing.
Mom's body we're amazing.
Our bodies did amazing things.
Yep, you will see a stretchmark, you will see a kangaroo
pouch, because I grew afull-growngrown human being and
(46:52):
my children were not smallbabies.
Yeah, fair.
So my body is a rock star.
Your body is a wonderland.
Thank you, john mayer would say,um, and just working to make it
healthy, keep making it healthyand loving it and working out
because I love my body so we cankeep showing up for these kids
(47:16):
and ourselves.
Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, yeah,that's yeah, all in one, but
also separate.
Check out for yourself so youcan show up for these little
gremlins.
Yeah, check out for yourself soyou can show up for these
little gremlins.
Yeah, but we gotta sign offhere, guys.
Um, to tackle the day.
I've got so much stuff to dotoday.
I'm literally going likestraight to the couch.
(47:42):
I gotta.
I have some meal prep to do,but that's, that's about it.
Yeah, I've got, we've got swim.
I have to put some laundry away.
Working on the newsletter.
One of us is doing the foodshopping.
Then I have to figure out whatwe're prepping.
That is one thing I will sayhas gotten easier since she's
gotten older.
I was able to walk her up anddown the stairs with me to do
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laundry yesterday, so I gotthree loads done.
I just need to put them away.
Yes, that is helpful.
Yeah, three loads done.
I just need to put them away.
Yes, that is helpful.
Yeah, all right, guys.
Well, like, listen, subscribeand review, and we love you and
we see you and we're here onthis beautiful, messy journey
with you.
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This is your other co-hostsheree page barber.
We are sitting here in anundisclosed location recording
for you.
But no, we had a sister nightyesterday kid free night and it
is now the morning.
We are munching on some goodiesand recording this before we go
home for the day and tackle theday and prepare for the week.
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Yeah, back to reality.
The last few weeks of summer.
Yes, yeah, summer is flying by.
You know I was.
This summer is the first summerwhere I was like, oh my god,
like it's already august.
Summer flew by.
This is really scary.
Yeah, like.
I just feel like we were just atour cousin's graduation party
(01:33):
the end of june.
It's because we were just likea month and a half ago.
I feel like school ended.
It didn't even end that late,but it felt like it ended late
because because of all, like thesnow days or for you I mean,
summer started like the thirdweek of june, okay, so that
(01:53):
already felt like it cut into it.
That's true, it's just my allof july, rj, I don't think they
had.
No, they took away likebuilt-in days because of some of
the snow days.
Yeah, so maybe that's why itfelt longer.
But graduation for himkindergarten graduation for him
was like June 5th, oh yeah.
But they had, like they had togo to school some days where
(02:16):
they on the calendar where itcould have been like a no, but
because of the snow days theyhad to use them.
Oh yeah, the snow days they hadto use them, oh yeah.
But I think private I don'tknow if private school is
different from, like, the statelaws, because I know growing up,
it's like you have to be inschool 180 days.
I don't know about that.
I know that I feel like theytry to keep it on a similar
schedule, but I don't know theirrules for snow days and stuff.
(02:40):
Yeah, but we're gonna dorosebud thorn.
What's your rose?
Oh, um, the rose is something.
I'm something good.
Yeah, um, I mean, I guess I'lljust cheat and say sister night,
it was nice to.
Why is that cheating?
(03:01):
Because it's like an easy one.
Oh, um, yeah, it was just niceto get out of our sick dungeon.
Yes, a little bit.
What about yours?
So mine is the sister night,but I have another one that you
just made me discover a productfor her hair.
Oh, yeah, the new can too.
(03:22):
What's it called?
It's a like a daily oilmoisturizer.
Yeah, yeah, and she was puttingit in her hair this morning.
I was like what is this?
So that's my rose, becausethat's amazing.
I love new hair products and Ican't smell right now because
I'm stuffy, but I trust that yousaid it smells good and I put
(03:43):
some in my hair.
Yeah, it smells good and itdoes like 15 things, which is
great.
So I will be having you send mea picture of that later.
Yes, um, my bud is part of whatwe're talking about today, which
is body confidence.
Yeah, like leaning into that,and then my thorn is just that
(04:05):
summer's flying and I'm alreadyseeing leaves on the floor on
the floor on the ground and I'mlike it's august.
Guys like can we hold offnature?
So that's kind of making me sadbecause although I'm a fall
girly, like from birth, I love asummer.
Oh my gosh, I love summer somuch.
Summer is fun.
We know you're a fall girly,although you're spring by birth.
(04:30):
I love spring.
Every spring I feel like I likecome alive again.
Yes, so I love spring, but Iit's always been a tie for me.
Honestly, I've always said likethe intermediate seasons are my
favorite, the ones that aren'ttoo extreme.
It's like like fall and spring.
Yeah, it's like crisp and cooland you can wear like a crop top
(04:55):
with a light jacket.
It's like not disgusting orfreezing.
But fall is my favorite forjust the vibe, like football and
crockpot recipes and lightingcandles and the colors.
I am leaning more into that,like I do like those things,
yeah, but I love to leave thehouse without a jacket.
I love spring.
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May is my absolute favorite,obviously because it's your
birthday, mom.
It's just a great month Like itfeels great.
Everyone's in a good mood.
Yeah, okay, great month like itfeels great.
Everyone's in a good mood.
Yeah, um, my bud is justprobably being sick.
Um, no, my bud is something I'mgrateful for.
I'm not grateful for being sick.
So, yeah, well, the rose issomething I'm grateful for.
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The bud is something.
No, rose is something good andyou can still be grateful for it
.
Yeah, but I think bud is likespecific to something you're
grateful for and thorn issomething bad.
Oh, I knew the thorn issomething.
Yeah, okay, rose is good.
Bud is something I'm gratefulfor is, I don't know, that's
always so hard for me, which isa problem, but, but I did take
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some DIY profesh headshotsyesterday.
You did so.
That was cool, right in ourundisclosed location.
Yeah, and also, add on to that,I took some really amazing
photos, apparently.
Yeah, shout out to myphotographer.
That was a good one.
Do you have a 14?
I have a 16.
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Don't look at me, yours isbigger than mine, but those were
great photos.
On the studio yeah, I set up the.
I Googled, like, what settingsshould I set my iPhone to for
professional headshots?
And it was studio light.
Did you Google or chat GPT?
No, I Googled it.
Ai answered me, but it's like alittle blur.
Yes, at the top search.
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Yeah, it's, it was portraitmode, studio light, and then I
edited, edited it with somesuggestions from chat gpt, so,
if you're interested, what's hergirly pop and some professional
headshot tips.
Hit your girl up my thorn.
Yeah, and I'm just negative.
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Nelly, like mornings are sorough for me.
Yeah, it's really hard for meto get up and get going, which
sucks because I used to lovemornings.
You did, um, I still do when Ican like take my time.
Yeah, I think I'm just tiredtoday because I don't sleep
great when I don't sleep at home.
So, yeah, that's all I'm sorry.
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Side note um scrunchie, which isfrom the 90s and also it's
shimmery.
This is giving me extra clairevibes.
Claire's, yeah, it came as athree pack with a pink and gray
one, of course, of course, lightgray, dark gray, um, like a
heather gray.
Okay, right in the middle it'sgiving me such claire's vibes.
And then I have satin oneswhich are great for natural hair
.
Yeah, it doesn't pull when youtake it out.
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Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, that is tying intowhat we're talking about today.
We're talking about bodyconfidence and just it's a
loaded conversation, but I thinkit's.
It's a good one, yeah, and itneeds to be had.
Um, just full disclosure.
We're not going to be talkingabout pounds or size numbers.
We're just talking about like,based on how we feel.
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But in high school, obviously Iwas a smaller person, sure, who
I don't want to say who wasn't,but yeah, yeah.
And then, as I got older incollege, um, I, I was still
small, I think, but thinkingback I'm like, oh, I thought
that, like I wasn't, which islike wild to me, yeah, but like,
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of course, as you get older andlike your body changes, things
change.
I'm getting more into hormonestuff now, which is awesome.
I've had two kids, twoc-sections, like two pregnancies
it did a number and I'm likecloser to 40 than I am to 30.
So a lot of that stuff ischanging.
But I love hearing women intheir 40s like fully embracing
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their bodies at that age.
Yeah, so that gives me hopebecause obviously I'm not going
to be the small frame that I wasin my 20s, because that just
doesn't make sense.
I'm excited for 40s, because40s just gives girl.
You're like eight years away no, I mean for you and like
because I'm enjoying 30s.
I feel like I've really comeinto my own, but 40s feels like
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just like, don't give a fuck,like I'm just here to enjoy my
life.
Yes, I've heard that about 50s,but I feel like if you could
arrive to it in your 40s, likeit's amazing.
Yeah, especially for women,because there's just so many
unnecessary, unrealisticstandards, and I feel like it's
obviously different for men.
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But we can only speak becausewe are in women's bodies.
Yeah, um, but yeah, it's been ajourney.
I um.
So, full disclosure I am on thephysical pill, birth control but
I've heard a lot of women andlike my friends and just like
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talking to you, how's it go?
Yeah, it hasn't given me anylike side effects or whatever,
but like when my friends havegotten off or you've gotten off,
you're like I've made us a hugedifference in like my body.
I was like, oh, okay, so brain,yeah, so I'm.
I'm switching the type of birthcontrol that I'm using like in
probably the end of this monthor the end of this month,
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forgetting next month, and I'mpretty excited because I think
it's going to have like positiveeffects, because I've been on
the pill since I was like 16.
So I've been pumped with likesynthetic hormones like all
throughout my body.
But the birth control that I'mtrying now is just more.
It's more localized.
Trying now it's just more, it'smore localized.
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So I'm excited about that,since I am now studying stuff
about hormones just for, like myinterest and how it affects my
body, and I have beenreligiously following the lively
app which we've talked about onhere.
Yeah, but I look at it everysingle day and this is based on,
like your cycle, so every womanwould be different, obviously,
because your cycle is different.
I also just found, downloadedand briefly got rid of it
because I hate the paywall.
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Like I'm not paying for an app,I know, but you want to read
more.
Give me your credit card number.
No, thank you.
No, but the moody app does likesimilar.
Oh, I've never heard that.
It's like you might be feelinglike this today because
progesterone is high, or youmight be like wanting more alone
time.
You might have increasedappetite and they send you like
little email updates because Ideleted the app after I saw that
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you had to pay.
Yeah, so that's another goodone.
I just opened live.
We just took, if you guys likea live introduction, but I think
we also put it in ournewsletter.
I talked about it but, um, soit tracks your cycle and like
specifically down to like thephase you're in and like the day
of your cycle, yeah, and howmany more days you have into
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your period.
But then it breaks down likethings you could be doing and
moving wise and eating duringlike a particular thing.
So I am in my, I'm on day 11 ofmy cycle, in the follicular
phase oh, yeah, periods of 19days and, for example, for
suggestions of doing, it saysstart a new hobby or personal
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development course thatinterests you For the movement,
strength training to buildmuscle and boost fitness,
increase muscle mass, improvesmetabolism efficiency, boost
fitness, increase muscle mass,improves metabolism efficiency.
And for eating lean proteinslike chicken or tofu for muscle
growth and repair colorfulvegetables for a nutrient boost.
But also they give you allthese tips with all these cute
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little symbols and pictures.
For example, you could beeating chickpeas, black beans,
squash oh, not the food, but thesport.
I noticed that when I saw thelittle person throwing stuff
yeah, swimming, new experiences,peppermint oil.
So just suggestions in theparticular phase that I'm in
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right now.
And it also breaks down myhormone levels.
So it's like how much estrogen,progesterone, testosterone are
like going throughout your bodyduring that phase, yeah, um, and
I wish they would have taughtthis in school and health class
and not um.
The fact that a sperm and eggmake a baby yes, we know that,
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but like so many more thingsthat go into that, so that also
affects like our body and mybody like particular, and, for
example, like my boobs.
They were like we can talkabout sizes for this because I
mean it's not.
Yeah, so I was a b cup in highschool and I was like, oh my
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gosh, I'm so small and like Ikind of was, but just because I
had like a small frame, thatdoesn't really mean anything.
But as I got older, I was like,okay, I'm a c now, cool.
But like when I got pregnantwith my first and it has not
gone down I like doubled in sizeand breastfeeding was not
successful for me.
So maybe that's why becauseI've heard that if you
breastfeed, some women whobreastfeed like their boobs
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become like saggy and just likethey lose their like form and
shape.
Oh, and like everybody at somepoint.
I mean it does, but I feel likeit maybe speeds it up.
Like if you breastfeedconsistently, like, say, you
have like three kids and it'slike they're pretty close in age
and you're successful withbreastfeeding for all three.
Yeah, so it's like your bodynever really gets a break till
after the last one.
Yeah, um, but yeah, so props tomy two children for making my
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boobs bigger and staying.
So I finally got what I wantedwithout paying for them, so I'm
happy about that, but I'vealways wanted that, so I feel
like that's I'm fine, embracingthat.
Yeah, that's fair and yeah, I'mjust learning.
And also a lot of like my Iguess, bloat and like tension
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with how I feel is in mymidsection.
Yeah, which is frustrating.
But also, I don't know, it alsodepends on, like how much
you're lifting and like whatyou're lifting, like if you're
lifting weights, because thatcould like bulk you up and like
make you look a certain way.
It's all just like based onlike your body.
So all these like beautystandards that we've grown up on
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are bullshit.
Yeah, because everyone's bodyis different and it could be
based on anything Like somewomen have, like, obviously,
internal, like medical issuesthat affect, like their outside.
Yeah, and then genetics yes,that's a huge thing.
It's out of everybody's control.
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I don't know.
I think I'm just in a phaseright now where I don't care,
okay, good, good, because I'vecared for so long to the point
where, like, making myself sick,yes, same, yeah, and does it
feel freeing?
How do you feel?
Yeah, I mean I remember back inFebruary, when we were getting
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ready to go on our honeymoon oh,that's right.
Yes, I was like Puerto Rico'sgoing to get whatever body it
gets.
Yeah, I remember you weresaying that too, to get whatever
body it gets, like, yeah, andI've just been kind of riding
that wave.
Yes, I just don't have thecapacity to like care in that
way anymore.
I'm very black and whitethinking, so like, if I do care,
it means like being obsessiveand like tracking and like over,
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yeah, doing things.
Um, and I'm not in a spacewhere not only do I have like no
interest in doing that, becauseit's it's annoying and it takes
over, and like I feel like I'vespent a third of my life being
in that headspace and it's veryisolating and like damaging, um,
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and it takes a long time toundo and unlearn those things.
And I feel like I hit 30 and Ikind of was just like I don't
give a fuck, like it is what itis.
I've tried to change it and mybody's gonna do what it wants to
do, but I'm also okay with ifthis is where it's at.
When it like I'm healthy, I goto the doctor.
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Yes, that's a big part too.
I feel fine, except for beingtired, but it's not like a
chronic fatigue.
It's a mom of a toddler whoworks full time and it's a
normal fatigue.
The toddler you works full timeworks full time.
We're all tired, we're all likeyeah, so, but it's not like a
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medical fatigue, correct?
Some people?
Yes, yeah, yeah, and I thinkthat's common for a lot of moms
and and also same Like I'mhealthy too, I go to the doctor.
We go to the doctor regularlyand that has been instilled in
us since birth.
Thanks, mom, yeah, dad too, butmainly like Dad would go to the
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doctor as well, but Mom wasalways driving that ship.
It's been instilled in us toalways go to the doctor, like
keep our annual appointments.
Like, for example, I have adentist appointment next week, I
guess.
Apparently, I go every sixmonths.
Now, there's nothing wrong withmy teeth, everybody goes every
six months.
I thought it was annually.
No, you're supposed to go twicea year.
Okay, great, so I have alwaysdone that, but it's always odd
to me where it's like, wasn't Ijust here?
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Let me take that back.
Not everybody goes every sixmonths, but I think that that's
the recommended Okay.
So that's how we were.
We're growing up, yeah, becausewe just you know, our mom make
an appointment, she make youhave an appointment, say, we
would just like go, yeah.
But it's always a shock to mewhen I'm like, oh, wasn't I just
here?
So my, wasn't I just here?
Moments arriving this week,what was six months ago,
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february, yeah, we, yeah, wewent in march.
We go again in, yeah.
And then my boys and I haveinstilled it with my children
like they started going to thedentist and the eye doctor when
they were like old enough to go,yeah, maybe like two, like the
eye doctor.
They're like we don't reallysee them until they're like four
, unless there's like an issue,and there weren't issues, but
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there were some things we'relike, oh, we need to get you in
to see somebody Like my oldesthas glasses now, yeah, and he's
six.
We've had you went to seesomebody like my oldest has
glasses now, yeah, and he's six.
So he's had him for like a year.
But that wouldn't have beendiscovered unless I would have
if I had started taking him likenow if we would have not been
too late, but like the fact thatI had started taking them at
like 18 months, yeah, when theywould see them, because it's
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like, oh, let me just get somethings checked out, which I'm
grateful for that.
They go to the dentistregularly.
They of course have theirannual physical, which they both
had after their birthday thisyear already, and they get their
normal vaccines and everything.
And, of course, if thingshappen in between, obviously
we're going to the doctorbecause Daisy is our mother and
their grandmother and we can'tget past that.
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But so that also helps too.
My blood work has always comeback fine and blood pressure has
always been fine.
Speaking of that, I just did ahormone panel.
I'm excited I have thatconsultation this week to
explain to me what the hell Iwas looking at with my results.
Um, I signed up for joy andblokes.
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I will put that in the news, inthe newsletter, and also I, oh,
yeah, put that in thenewsletter.
Yeah, also the show notes.
I got it from another podcast,the jenna kutcher podcast.
But, um, yeah, so you sign up,you do a hormone panel.
They recommend like places foryou to go to get your blood
drawn, and mine was just likeone of our local lab cores and
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that was super easy.
I that's where I get all myblood work done for, like the
doctor's appointments andeverything and the it was done
like in less than three days,like everything.
Oh, that's nice, which isamazing.
So I'm excited to see what thismeans, which will also help me
fully embrace more of my body,too, to see what, um, I'm low on
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or good on or like what tocontinue to do or like start
doing.
But I did ask an importantquestion if, like, being on
birth control would affect theresults.
Yeah, and they said that itonly affects the results for two
types of hormones.
I forget which one it was, butprobably progesterone and
estrogen.
It was one of them, but alsoone that I've never heard of.
So it might affect those levels, but everything else was fine,
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like everything else, like itwouldn't affect anything else,
and it's like I think it's likea panel of like 40 or something
49 hormones.
Yeah, and they also like therewere that many and they also
have like an advanced one,because it also um dives into
like thyroid and like a bunch ofother things too.
Yeah, this was like a hormonepanel.
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They have one, an advanced one,where it dives into like a
bunch of other stuff too.
Yeah, so I'm excited to see andI will share those results once
I figure out what they mean.
We'll do an episode about thatbecause I think that's really
interesting.
I always thought it was like soexpensive.
But Jenna Kutcher and thecompany are giving like a 50%
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off and it's oh good thing.
If you, through your job, withyour insurance, through your job
, have FHA and HSA, it'sapproved so you can use your
account for that, which I did,oh nice.
And then, of course, well thewell.
For me, the lab work was freebecause it was covered under my
insurance.
That's nice.
So if anyone out there isinterested in that, I will
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definitely put in the show notesand, yeah, I'll put in the
newsletter and then also shareJenna Kutcher's episode about it
, because the the one of theco-inners was on her episode and
that's where they talked aboutand that's how I found out about
the discount.
Oh yeah, I thought it wasreally awesome.
Yeah, and like, whatever you'relacking, they have supplements
(22:22):
that could like help you likethrough their company.
Of course, you can use otherones too as well, but like
specifically tailored to that,if there's like something
lacking in your panel that youneed Nice, excited about that.
Um, my periods have definitelychanged since being pregnant and
having the boys.
Um, even being on the pill.
It has changed from like when Iwas 16 until now.
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Yeah, um, it's shorter sincethe boys like it's it.
When I first was getting myperiod back in the day, it was
seven days got in the pillbecause it was like really
intense periods over time andbrought it down to five days
still cramps.
But now it's three days, oh mygosh, which I literally get it
on a friday and it's like forthe weekend, which is like wild
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to me.
So I'm interested to see ifthat's going to change when I
start my new birth control.
I wonder if that's an age thingtoo, because somebody else I
won't, yeah, say no, but saidthat theirs is also three days.
So maybe that's something Ihave to look for.
Mine is six days and still,yeah, I feel you're not on the
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pill anymore, I know, but that'sthat means that's my natural
cycle, but even on the pill, itwas always like five or six days
.
Yeah, mine just became three.
I think it was like maybe rightbefore harris, right before we
got pregnant with harrison.
That would be so nice, but Iwill say I don't know if this is
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the birth control or just likemy hormones, but we talked about
this in the last episode.
Um, I just had my annualgynecologist appointment.
Yes, and for the past couple ofmonths, past couple of periods,
I have noticed things that Ididn't notice before.
Yeah, like the week of so, like, say, I don't get my period
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this week, I think it's in liketwo weeks, but say this week I
get my period.
Like Sunday, I will bedepressed all the way until my
period.
Yeah, did you talk to her aboutthat?
That's what I'm about to talkabout.
So I talked to her about that.
I have never noticed that Likesuper depressed, like have no
energy on top of like that'sprobably from, like you know,
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getting your period, but toppledwith like depression and just
like not feeling like doinganything.
Every single symptom of period,like low, which I've always had
low back aches during my period, like every symptom, and then
the day I get my period, allthose symptoms just magically
disappear and I just get myperiod.
Yeah, and I'm like that is.
I've noticed it for the pastfour months.
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That has never happened to mebefore.
Yeah, and I don't know if it'sjust appearing or if I'm just
noticing, because I'm like howcan I not notice that?
Yeah, and like full disclosure,I'm also on like anxiety
medication, so it's like I'vebeen on it for a while so
obviously, like it helpsregulate me throughout the other
weeks, but like I,distinctively, I'm just like
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there's something going on.
Yeah, so she said it could bepmdd.
Like we'll see if it changeswhen I get on the new form of
birth control.
Okay, but that's somethingthat's been like alarming to me.
But then they just magicallydisappear the day I get my
period.
That's what always made me likequestion if I had it, because
pmdd is like symptoms resolveonce you're out of the like
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luteal phase is the worst.
So like when your period startsit goes away.
But mine, but mine is like Iget it throughout it and then
sometimes like the day or twoafter it too.
So I have like I think therewas one cycle where it was like
19 days of symptoms.
Oh yeah, I remember you told methat.
Yeah, so, and it helps to logbecause that's how she knew.
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Yeah, that is my current, Iwould say like body struggle
just figuring that out.
Yes, and then I also noticedthis past period.
Um, I was depressed the week ofmy period, but it also started
the week before, like the middleof that week, so 10 days before
, and I'm like okay, something'swrong because it's not supposed
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to happen until sunday.
It happened on like wednesdayof the week prior and I was like
what is happening?
So that's when I was like I wasgoing to bring it up to my
doctor anyway, but I was likethis is odd, maybe it is my
birth control, because I don'tknow if you guys know, but like
if you're on the pill, like youswallow it, obviously, but like
it has to travel, like down towherever it needs to go, but
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like needs to go, but like whenyou're on other forms, like it's
more localized, so it's just inthat particular area that it's
in.
So I'm hoping that that helpssome of my symptoms.
Yeah, because these hormones arethey're a beast, they are, um,
and also a lot of everythingaffects your hormones.
That's like more so, like whatwe're trying to understand as
well too.
It could be like based on likewhat you're eating and like
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stress, everything, sleep, andsometimes, like you didn't know
this either, but sometimes youcan work out too much, like your
body is just like I can't dothis anymore, but you keep, you
ignore it and you keep pushingand you can go into like adrenal
fatigue, yeah, which alsoaffects your hormones, because
it's not like a natural stateyour body should be in, which
puts more stress in your body,which affects your hormones,
because it's not like a naturalstate your body should be in,
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which puts more stress on yourbody, which affects your
hormones even more.
Yeah, which is like weshouldn't be taught this in
school.
I feel like it's just like toomuch to cover, because you
really have to do a deep diveand it's very individualized.
It is yeah, and it's veryindividualized.
It is yeah, so, but still likethere should be a like it's just
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all this stuff is mind-blowingand it's just makes me happy and
sad for women who like discoverthings.
You're just like, wow, so Iwasn't crazy all those years,
like it was my hormones, andit's like this is what we have
in society, based off of like oh, you must be crazy, or getting
your period Like no, like it'smy hormones.
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They're fluctuating and youknow, don't go have a baby,
because your hormones are justall over the place right after.
That's a wild time.
It's a wild wild west for thehormones.
Yeah, truly, it is wild.
On top of not sleeping If you'rebreastfeeding, just even if
you're not breastfeeding, likeyou're still up feeding the baby
.
Yep, like, no matter how muchyour partner helps, it's like
you're the mom.
You're like the main source ofeverything for that child.
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At that moment it's rough, yeah, it's so rough.
Yeah, I, I think I'm gonna dowhat you did and just go
straight to formula and like noteven.
Yeah, well, I tried it with both.
I tried breastfeeding with both, both.
But but in the hospital withharrison, you had him as formula
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fed, right, because they gaveyou formula, they did.
We were also in a shortage then.
So, yeah, same craziness.
Don't want to relive those daysand never will because I'm not
getting pregnant again.
But I did try him on the breastat first In the hospital.
See, I feel like I'm going tochange my approach, because that
was what I did with Sage andthat was like all that they
focused on.
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And that's when you were like,oh, my God, this is for the
birds.
Oh, that second day, yes, yeah,with the cluster feeding.
That was insane.
You're like, oh my God, I'mgoing to scream.
Yeah, she was up every 30minutes, oh nope.
And then the nurses were in ourroom every 30 minutes between,
yes, I had four IVs Checkingyour vitals and then checking on
Sage.
Oh my God, you don't get tosleep in the hospital after
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giving birth, no, no.
But I also.
They just casually were likeyeah, you spiked a fever, like
you have an infection, okay, soI had like two ivs in each arm
that they would have to come inand change.
That's awful.
And they had to do one of myivs twice.
I got like bruising on my arm.
I'm like this has neverhappened to me before.
What is happening?
I had to get one in my hand.
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I think I had that too.
I also had one right here whichthey had to redo, and this
might still be the bruise fromlike three years ago, but I just
noticed this bruise too.
Anyway, it was very painful.
We say all that to say like,listen to your body, do what
works for you.
Yeah, um, your body is foreverchanging.
You can look at it as like afun, not project, but like
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learning, like a good learningexperience.
Because if you would have saidthis stuff to me like even a
year, eight months ago.
I would have been like maybe ayear ago because I was into
hormones, like eight months ago,but I would have been like I'll
get back to you on that, like Iwouldn't have believed you that
, like everything affects yourbody, I feel like I had the
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fortunate, unfortunateexperience of like I mean, I
know you did too, but I havedealt with depression my entire
life.
Yeah, it was always kind ofruling out like, oh, yes, yes,
yes, yes.
So I feel like I I forgot, I'vehad to be aware of it, for did
you ever?
Were you ever on thyroidmedication?
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No, because it was never anissue with my thyroid.
I'm just depressed.
No, I know, but I thought youyou did get your thyroid checked
a lot though, right, yeah, justlike through blood work.
Okay, it was always fine.
But that's you like rule thatout before you call it
depression, because it could be,could be that, that instead,
yeah, so, yeah, I feel like.
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And then it was like having tokind of adjust my diet to see if
that would help, which is also,like at the time, very
triggering.
Yeah, and then like IBS andjust all these internal things
that I've had to deal with,which I think I'm pretty sure
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the IBS was antibiotic caused,because it's wild that one
winter that Brandon and I wereso sick, I'm pretty sure we had
COVID.
Before we knew it was COVID, Iwas sick for like a month.
That's when RJ was like sixmonths.
That's when we were like I'mpretty sure we had COVID.
Well, maybe we did too.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was thenBecause I got three rounds of
antibiotics and no one told methat it was going to fuck up my
gut and it absolutely did.
So.
They all they talk aboutanybody's um giving women yeast
infections for some of them,yeah, yeah, which I didn't also
didn't know that it also couldaffect your gut, yes, and your
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gut is also like directlyrelated to your mood, everything
that so that I, within maybelike five months after that, I
got diagnosed with ibs um andhad to be like on a daily
probiotic and do an eliminationdiet for low FODMAP food.
Oh, I remember this journey.
It's been.
It's been a journey, poorbrandon.
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It's been on such a rollercoaster ride because it truly
was like cutting out all thefoods that I liked to figure out
which foods were messing withme.
And then I had like issues withdairy and like that's, is it a
gluten thing?
But like it's messed, but Iwould have to take lactate
before I ate anything dairy,which is crazy.
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Also, when some people takedairy out like they're
completely, they are completelydifferent, like in a good way,
yeah.
Yeah, I've also have, I alsohave gi issues.
I have an inflamed stomachlining, which I've had since
high school, but certain foodsalso like trigger like the
inflammation and like makes mebloated.
But it's like some sometimesthe foods that do don't, but
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then also, like I've noticedmaybe the past couple years,
that food doesn't just do, butstress also triggers it.
So, yeah, when I have a flarewhich I had one like last week,
I randomly get them.
I'm like, okay, I like breakdown, like what's going on in my
life?
Am I stressed?
Have I eaten like a bunch offried chicken lately or like
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things that I know trigger it?
Yeah, where, like I've beendoing fine, I'm like, okay, it
must be xyz.
So that's also what I'mlearning too about my body that
it's like.
Sometimes it is stress whichapparently is like a huge
trigger for inflammation as well.
Um, as part of my gi issues,yeah, and I always have medicine
on hand for that.
But still I'm like great, yeah,it's definitely a learning
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process and just having to kindof listen to your body it's like
very.
It's hard to because, have youheard of poppy?
Or like those drinks like theprebiotic sodas?
I want to know they'reprebiotic.
Yeah, which is so like.
They sound good, they havegreat flavors, they taste good.
I made the mistake of like wow,this is so good.
And like pounded, maybe two,one and a half.
(34:33):
If you have ibs or stomachproblems, they may not be for
you.
Um, because got a little bubblyaction.
Yeah, like fully triggered anibs flare up.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, so I can't drink.
Is it because of thecarbonation?
No, it's because the prebiotic,like whatever is in that like
because I don't know thedifference between pre and
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probiotic.
Same, I've seen that too.
My body responds to theprobiotic for the IBS and
calming down my gut, but theprebiotic sent my gut into a
total frenzy.
I, what is that Shoot?
What's that lifestyle calledwhere it's not paleo?
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For a while I did.
I guess it was like flexitarian.
I was trying to do like the inbetween, trying to lead more
towards the whole foods andthings like that.
Is it the whole 30?
No, I'm pretty.
I think it might have just beenflexitarian keto.
No, this was part of when I wasjust trying to figure out like
my elimination diet and thingslike that, and I've learned that
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when I have too much fiber orlike too too many not too many
vegetables, but like sometimestoo much fiber like it triggers
a flare.
That triggers that for a lot ofpeople too, like certain
vegetables and I'm like it'svegetables.
It's like so odd, but again,this is just what it is and like
it's your body and you justhave to like.
It's like you said, it's a lotof like trying things, but it's
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like trial and error, like ourbodies are trial and error,
which I think is so beautifuland amazing because obviously it
changes as you get older.
But if you just have thementality of like one not that
you don't care what you looklike, because you should or
whatever, but two, like makingsure you're healthy, that's the
number, that should be thenumber one.
Like making sure you're healthy, no matter what you look like.
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It doesn't matter what you looklike Like size wise yeah,
making sure you're healthy.
But also just like learning toand this is going to take
journal work and therapy andjust a lot of like um, shutting
up the outside, always listeningto yourself, like learning to,
because our bodies are alwaysgiving us messages.
So just learning to listen tothe messages our bodies are
(36:46):
giving, yeah, and exploring that, and that could that's fun.
I mean it's fun like you mighthave to go to the messages our
bodies are giving, yeah, andexploring that, and that could
that's fun.
I mean it's fun like you mighthave to go to the doctor because
something comes up.
But, hey, it means you're goingto the doctor and you're
discovering things.
But if you're a woman and youbleed and you have a uterus, and
if you've never had kids, thisdoesn't matter.
You have a uterus, you bleed oryou have blood in the past.
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It's just like start lookinginto hormones, like anything
hormone, and just type inhormones, women's hormones, and
google or chat, gpt, whateveryou use and then go to this is a
rabbit hole you need to go down.
Yeah, because it is wild and alot of things like said, some
things come up later.
Like you didn't have IBS beforeyou started taking those
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antibiotics.
Like sometimes, as you get older, some things just develop that
you don't know about.
Yeah, like some people, it'slike your body just changes
naturally and it's I don't know.
It's like a fun journey to see.
Like not fun because it'sannoying.
(37:54):
It's like, oh, what am I gonnaeat today?
That's gonna make my stomachflare up.
But you know, it's just likelearning to embrace every stage
of your body that it's in.
Yeah, I I always heard that,like 30s, your body changes or
like responds differently tofoods.
I haven't had that happen yet.
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I know that's what made methink, but I feel like mine
happened before.
So, like, maybe I'm getting abreak, I don't know.
Um, yeah, when I turned 30, Imagically became allergic to
wine and shrimp.
Um, I'm fine now, at 37, almostno, oh, my god, 38, almost 39.
(38:37):
Wow, sometimes you have to dothe math.
The older you get and thefurther down the the year chart
that your birth is birth year isum, yeah, I became allergic to
wine and shrimp to the pointwhere, like I couldn't breathe.
So weird.
And this was all not even trialand error, like it just
randomly happened and I wasdrinking organic wine for a
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little bit, which helped, butthen I'm fine.
Now, eight years, almost nineyears later, yeah, fine, well,
nine years is my 39th year, butanyway, um, that was a change
for me in my 30s.
That was internal, not external.
I, after I had sage, got plantarfasciitis.
Oh, that's right.
(39:19):
I also I don't even know whatthe, I don't know what the
condition, but like I had to goto physical therapy for my hip.
Yes, like my body just fellapart.
I forgot about that.
Yeah, fully, because, um, mommy, recently was like having foot
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pain.
I was like it sounds like youhave plantar fascia and it
fucking sucks.
Like I would get out of bed toon maternity leave and feel like
I was walking on glass.
So I'm like not only am Irecovering from just having
birth and sleeping every twohour or trying to get sleep
every two hours, but now I washaving back pain.
(40:02):
I had to go to a chiropractor,I had to go to podiatrist, I had
to go to physical therapy, Ihad to go to a nutritionist to
get, like my gut refigured out.
It really, I think just likerolling with the punches and
expecting things to change, likewe're not always going to be
spring chickens.
No, sometimes that comes withthings changing.
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What Sheree was saying beforeit's like I think I'm excited
for 40s for you and like just toexperience that with you, and
like for me, me when it getsthere.
But it's like just embracingyou getting older because it's a
blessing, yeah, and everythingthat comes with it, and you're
like I hit my 30s, just like Idon't give a fuck anymore, I
can't about, because it takes up, it lives right, it's lived.
(40:43):
How I feel about my body haslived right in front of my head
since I was like in middleschool or high school yeah, mine
goes back to second grade,shout out to my bullies look at
me now.
Yeah, um, it's just like ittakes up so much energy and time
(41:04):
.
And I'm not saying it's likenot worth it, because it makes
it helps you discover otherthings later in life.
But just being like do youreally want to spend like the
latter half of your life likethat?
It just it's exhausting.
There's so many other things Tofocus on and like wear the
swimsuit, eat the food that youwant.
(41:25):
Take the picture Work out ordon't.
I mean, someone's probably goingto tell you you should work out
.
Find something you enjoy doingto move your body.
Yes, I love Zumba.
It doesn't feel like I'mworking out, it just feels like
I'm dancing with friends.
We should always be moving ourbody, not to like lose weight,
but because it's health, it'sgood for you, like getting your
cardio up is good for you, butlike that may look like a orange
(41:47):
theory workout or zumba orcycling or running, like you
won't find me on a bike cyclingoutside, but I've done it before
when I was younger, but that'sanyway.
Um, yeah, so it's like whateverworks for you to keep you
healthy and your blood flowing,it can look different, yeah, and
it will look different, butit's not because you're dropping
pounds, it's because you'rejust being healthy, yeah, and
(42:10):
you're stepping into different.
But it's not because you'redropping pounds.
It's because you're just beinghealthy, yeah, and you're
stepping into your body and it'slike I don't give a fuck either
, like just there's no time.
Yeah, I don't know about momsfor young kids and up, but moms
of littles definitely see you,we do.
I hear it passes.
I wouldn't know, because I'mstill very much in the thick of
(42:33):
it.
The tiredness, just all of itthat comes with being a parent
of a little.
It does, trying to keep up withthe constant changes and not
getting great sleep, and all themilestones and regressions and
a lot happens in the first fewyears.
I will say, having asix-year-old, it passes, and
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then having a three-year-old, acouple, without like going
through it again with that stuff.
But every day I would say I'mlike gaining a little bit of my
freedom back, um, like little bylittle.
Yeah, um, it helps that it'slike two of them, because I'm
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like I'm not saying rj can likebabysit harrison, but like I can
like leave them in their roomswhen I'm upstairs with them and
like lay in bed and like read abook.
Yeah, because it's like rj willrun and tell me like harrison's
doing something, or I will hearthem, which I do.
But like if it was just rj atthree, I wouldn't trust.
Well, I didn't trust that Ialso had harrison because
(43:36):
they're three.
It's like he's by himself orwhatever.
Yeah, like what are you?
You're being left here indevices like stay with me.
But it does get better whenthey get older, like when they
are in like school.
So our year is going to firstgrade.
Harrison's three.
Um, it's definitely still crazybecause they're boys, yeah, and
it's still a wild house.
(43:57):
But I'm getting a little bit ofmy freedom back little by
little and I feel like I canleave them.
Leave them with dad.
It's like they're both of ourkids, but this undisclosed
location was dad's idea.
And it's like if they were likethree and like a newborn,
obviously that would not havebeen offered because it's like
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it's just too much.
Right then, yeah, but nowthey're six and three and you
have a boy's night while mom hasa girl's night out of the house
.
Yep, so it's just like it doesget better.
I'm only at six, only six yearsin that's what they say.
But we'll see and don't do it.
Don't look at old, don't lookat baby photos of them lying in
(44:40):
bed when you're not with them,because it will time's a thief.
I did that this morning.
I was like no, I know they'reso cute, I know Time goes so
fast, oh, such a thief.
But yeah.
So we're signing off by sayingwe don't give a fuck about our
bodies.
I mean, we do and we're happythat they're healthy, but based
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on how other people see ourbodies, yeah, we don't give a
fuck what other people thinkabout our bodies.
Like, I'm going to wear wear aone piece and you're going to
see my little kangaroo pouch,cause I've had two kids and I'm
wearing a crop top today.
So, yeah, and also, before wesign off, we are fully well me
personally.
I think you too would say thesame thing we are fully
embracing our bodies because ithas done and will do amazing
(45:25):
things.
Yeah, like it has carriedbabies, grown babies.
Amazing things.
Yeah, like it has carriedbabies, grown babies, birth
babies, fed babies truly likefalling apart and broken.
Yes, been been a pillow forbabies, like our boobs and just
like been the safe spot for themonce they're out of the womb.
Like our bodies are incredible.
(45:46):
All women's bodies areincredible.
Um, we're speaking as a womanand moms, and I'm embracing that
because my body is amazing andhas nourished my children for um
40 weeks and three days.
40 weeks and six days, and youhad it with 40 weeks and six.
40 weeks and three days oh, Ididn't know what you were
(46:08):
talking about.
And 40 weeks and three days oh,I didn't know what you were
talking about.
And 40 weeks, I was You're.
40 weeks and six days yeah,mine was.
40 weeks and three days.
And 40 weeks and two days yeah,in that order.
So that's a lot, yeah, a lot.
And then afterwards Thanks,kids, I'm no longer a size eight
in shoes.
My feet never went back.
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Postpartum was worse for methan pregnancy.
So, yeah, yeah, but women'sbodies are amazing.
Mom's body we're amazing.
Our bodies did amazing things.
Yep, you will see a stretchmark, you will see a kangaroo
pouch, because I grew afull-growngrown human being and
(46:52):
my children were not smallbabies.
Yeah, fair.
So my body is a rock star.
Your body is a wonderland.
Thank you, john mayer would say,um, and just working to make it
healthy, keep making it healthyand loving it and working out
because I love my body so we cankeep showing up for these kids
(47:16):
and ourselves.
Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, yeah,that's yeah, all in one, but
also separate.
Check out for yourself so youcan show up for these little
gremlins.
Yeah, check out for yourself soyou can show up for these
little gremlins.
Yeah, but we gotta sign offhere, guys.
Um, to tackle the day.
I've got so much stuff to dotoday.
I'm literally going likestraight to the couch.
(47:42):
I gotta.
I have some meal prep to do,but that's, that's about it.
Yeah, I've got, we've got swim.
I have to put some laundry away.
Working on the newsletter.
One of us is doing the foodshopping.
Then I have to figure out whatwe're prepping.
That is one thing I will sayhas gotten easier since she's
gotten older.
I was able to walk her up anddown the stairs with me to do
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laundry yesterday, so I gotthree loads done.
I just need to put them away.
Yes, that is helpful.
Yeah, three loads done.
I just need to put them away.
Yes, that is helpful.
Yeah, all right, guys.
Well, like, listen, subscribeand review, and we love you and
we see you and we're here onthis beautiful, messy journey
with you.
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