48: Keep Doing the Hard Parenting (ft. Angela Taylor)

Join Tajuana as she sit down with Angela Taylor. 

What happens when a kindergarten teacher becomes a mother herself? The lines between professional expertise and personal reality blur in fascinating ways. In this candid conversation with Angie Taylor, a 13-year veteran kindergarten teacher and mother to a kindergartener, we explore the striking disconnect between social media's portrayal of parenthood and what actually happens in homes and classrooms across America.

Angie doesn't hold back as she discusses how behaviors in classrooms have changed dramatically over recent years, particularly following the pandemic. With her unique dual perspective, she offers insights into why so many parents seem unprepared for the realities of raising children today. "It's a lifetime gig, boo-boo," she reminds listeners who might be clinging to pre-parenthood freedoms.

The conversation takes surprising turns as we debate the controversial balance between self-care and child-centered parenting. Is "putting yourself first" compatible with good parenting, or have we misunderstood what self-care actually means? Angie shares practical communication strategies that have worked in both her classroom and home, including using basic sign language with toddlers to reduce frustration before verbal skills develop.

Perhaps most valuably, Angie offers reassurance to parents struggling with consistency and boundary-setting. "The more consistent you are at holding the boundary, I promise you it gets easier down the road. They stop pushing back as much." In a world of gentle parenting and Montessori methods often implemented without understanding their foundations, her practical approach feels like permission to trust your instincts.

Whether you're a parent seeking validation that your struggles are normal or someone considering parenthood who wants unfiltered reality, this episode delivers truth with empathy and humor. Share your thoughts with us and don't forget to subscribe for more conversations that turn the page on parenting expectations.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
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We can't wait to connect withyou, hi guys, welcome to Turn
the Page podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
This is co-host Tawana Page.
We usually have Cherie PageBarber, my sister, with us, but
she's not feeling well so shesends her regards.
We have a guest today.
We have Angie Taylor.
Hi, I have to say a funny storyon Instagram.
My sister and I thought hername was Taylor, like her first
name, but she sent us docs todayto like look over or whatever,

(01:07):
and it says Angie and I was like, oh my God, I feel horrible,
but I was like I should know,because it happens to me all the
time with three first names.
But welcome to the show, angieTaylor.
How are you?

Speaker 3 (01:21):
I'm good.
Thanks for having me Firstpodcast.
I'm so excited.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yay, this is exciting .
And we happen to live in thesame state and the same county,
which is amazing.
Why don't you tell everybodywhat you do, so?

Speaker 3 (01:35):
I wear a lot of hats.
First job I teach kindergarten,going into my 13th year I think
, and then two years of pre-K.
Prior to that I have abachelor's in elementary and
special ed.
I have my reading specialistdegree.
I have done lots and lots ofthings.
I love kids.

(01:56):
My best friend and I funnystory we ran a vacation Bible
school at our church.
We started two youth programsin high school and we had adults
like following our lead and wewere like do we know what we're
doing?
And then we both becameteachers and love it.
I also have a child going intokindergarten this year, so I'm

(02:18):
very much feeling all of theparent side of things and the
teacher side of things.
So it's been.
It's been a lot this summer,but we're working through it.
And then I sell Young Living onthe side.
I do Instagram on the side, soit's been a lot of fun.
I created some guides thissummer to help parents and

(02:39):
children get ready forkindergarten.
So it's I do a camp in thesummer.
I mean I just I overextendmyself.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I love it and, guys, I will share her Instagram in
the show notes.
But I love your Instagram, likeI watch your stories all the
time, but it's like so many,just like random tips and hacks
that like you didn't know thatyou need it.
But before we dive in cause,it's going to be awesome.
We do a this or that when wehave a guest on, so my sister
texted us because that wasthat's her contribution when we

(03:08):
do this or that.
So the first one is would yourather step on legos with your
bare feet or clean, clean upspilled milk on the carpet?
Step on legos?
Same, because I hate spilledmilk and I I'm sure you've had
it with your child back in theday when they would get sick and
they would hate spilled milk.
And I I'm sure you've had itwith your child back in the day
when they would get sick andthey would throw up milk and
it's disgusting and it smellshorrible, it's awful and I

(03:33):
already hate milk.
To begin with, yes, so mix thatwith mama and that's a wrap.
Um, me too with the Legos.
The second question is wouldyou rather never get tired or
never get stressed?
Question is would you rathernever?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
get tired or never get stressed.
Okay, never get stressed.
Okay, I can live on very littlesleep.
If I could not be stressed,life would be great.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
So does stress make you tired?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
No, Like you personally.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Okay, so it kind of like wears me down.
I don't get tired and I lovesleep, though.
Do you like sleep?

Speaker 3 (04:04):
When my head hits the pillow at night, I am out and I
actually just read today.
That's like not a very goodthing, like you think it's good,
but it's actually not.
Like your body is like you needto sleep.
I cannot nap.
Like if I'm like I need a naptoday and I lay down, I cannot
sleep.
If you put me in a car on anairplane, I will fall asleep in

(04:24):
two seconds.
If I have no problem sleepingon vacation, like none of that,
but I cannot like lay down andtake a nap.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
That is so fascinating.
My sister like we'll have to dolike a second episode, like
about something else, just soyou can like chat with her too.
But she used to be the queen ofnaps like all the way up until
like college yeah, no like, andI'm talking like two, three
hours oh, dang.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
No, I just have a to-do list in my mind.
Like I just can't fall asleepduring the day, I'm like I gotta
do this and this and this yes,it's just like fascinating.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I feel like I would.
I don't know, because stressmakes me tired but, I, also
really, I really love sleep,like when I am tired.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
So maybe never get stressed again because of those
like weird things to me.
Yeah, okay.
And the last sister, that iswould you rather go on a dream
vacation alone or do it like ona nice vacation with your
favorite people?

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Oh, with my favorite people.
I don't like to do things aloneever.
I'm like you can ask my wholefamily, but I don't like to be
alone.
I've never eaten at arestaurant alone.
I don't like to like.
I don't like to be alone.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Okay, so I would like to.
I've gone places, like travelplaces by myself and like I love
it because you're on your owntime.
Yeah, but I get it Like I likegoing places with my favorite
people as well, but I also lovelike my alone time and like
being on my own schedule and noone like asking me what we're

(05:54):
doing today.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yes, that is very nice.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, those are good Good thing.
Those are like not actuallygoing to happen because it's
fake and this is reality.
But Good Good thing, those arelike not actually going to
happen because it's fake andthis is reality.
But how did you get startedwith like teaching and then
wanting to like prep parents forkindergarten, which is amazing.
Or, like you also said before,we got on here like prepping
parents for kids of any age,because it's just like amazing
just to have like a prep foranything.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, I think growing up I mean I babysat my entire
life.
I just kids have alwaysat myentire life.
I just kids have always been mypassion, like from day one, and
I've volunteered at camps, likeI've just everything has been
kids.
So I kind of always knew I didone year of nursing because my
dad was like teachers don't getpaid any money, you need to go
be a pediatric nurse orsomething.

(06:40):
I was like, okay, that's sointense, that's very specialized
, yeah, nurse or something.
I was like, okay, that's sointense, that's very specialized
, yeah.
So I did it for a year and Iwas like I can't hack it.
So I was like, see ya.
So then I got into teaching andit was like super easy because
it's like exactly what I wantedto do.
So I was teaching, teaching,teaching.
And then COVID happened and atthat point our daughter was, I

(07:02):
want to say, four months old.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Wow, and it was my oldest, was like seven months
Okay.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, I don't know how you feel, but my friend and
I were talking at the gym thismorning.
It was the best time of ourlives, really.
Yes, like, keep me home.
I mean, you got home fromschool though.
Yeah, keep me home with my babyall day long and I will be so
happy.
I was also so.
That was like the first.
It was like March to like May,june of COVID with

(07:32):
kindergartners on the computer.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Oh, that's right.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
It was a hot mess.
I remember people at work whohad kids in school like talking
about that, so you kind ofalmost got like an extended
maternity leave but you're alsostill working or trying to
figure out, like how to do thevirtual yes, but because it was
that like first part of virtualand it was kindergarten, we had
a little bit more grace, sosuper funny.

(08:00):
My husband is, I'm like veryserious, like run through the
checklist, do all the things,and he is like the fun part of
us and so I was doing like classread aloud.
So I would like have a book,read it to the kids, record it,
then they could watch itwhenever.
Oh, okay, he had the great ideaCause our daughter's very
animated always has been todress her up and give her props

(08:24):
and he would like play with heras I love it.
So I still have all the videos.
So during the school years,even now, I'm like look at Ty
when she was little and likethey love it, like that was the
best time.
But also during that time youknow they're like four months
old, like we're we sleep,trained, we were figuring out

(08:45):
food, we were trying to keep herbusy like do all of the things.
And a lot of it came verynaturally to me, I think,
because I had all of thisbackground in it and also I was
just home, I was able toresearch and do all of the
things.
And one of Russ's friendsactually was like.
So let me back up.

(09:05):
A lot of people alwayscommented how happy Ty was and
what a great sleeper she was,and so we would have her parents
come babysit at like 6.30 atnight because she would be in
bed and she would sleep allnight.
We were very lucky.
And they were like this is great.
And Russ's friend was likeAngie, you should like do a
YouTube channel.
And I was like oh, nope, no, no, no, no, no.

(09:26):
And eventually I was like, well, like I don't know, I didn't
have Facebook, I didn't haveInstagram, I had nothing.
So she was like Angie, you needto do this, Like this is not
normal what you're doing.
And I was like okay.
So I actually took over myhusband's Instagram and I just

(09:46):
like renamed it and I juststarted word vomiting.
Yeah, like I started with babysleep, because that's what
everyone was like commenting on.
So it started with that.
And then it turned into likeactivities I would do with her
that were like developmental,and I'd be like this is good for
your fine motor, this is goodfor their gross motor, this
cause.
I had that aspect andbackground of it, like we're not

(10:09):
just doing this because it'sfun.
Yes, it's fun, but also there'sa purpose For a reason.
Yeah, yeah.
So that was that.
So then COVID was a hot, hotmess teaching full-time.
Our parents were in watching herlike it was a lot, but I just

(10:30):
kept going.
So then we go back to schooland I'm petrified because I have
a baby at home.
She had had RSV in the hospital, like she has had the gamut she
had to go to the hospital yeah,she was overnighted two or
three nights, I think, withoxygen, like she was fine, but
like yeah it, yeah it was.
It was scary.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I've heard RSV is very scary for like for infants.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
It was.
It was a lot and yeah, but itwas fine.
Made it through.
All is good.
Um, but when the kids came backI was very nervous about
getting sick.
So then I started young livingbecause I wanted this NingXia
drink, which is very good forimmune support and great to help
you sleep and de-stress and allthese things.

(11:11):
So I grabbed that and I waslike, well, I'm already sharing
online, so I might as well juststart sharing this too.
And then we got into theessential oils and the thieves
cleaner and all of that, so thatwas just like an easy thing to
like add in.
Well then, like behaviors atschool started to change, like
behaviors have gotten worse overthe years.

(11:32):
Teaching now is not whatteaching used to be, and so I
was like what can I do to helpthis?
And you can ask anyone I teachwith.
I'm like okay, but how can wehelp the parents?
Okay, but like, what resourcescan we do to help the parents?
Like we need to help them.
Like we need to be on the sameteam, like teachers and parents

(11:53):
should be in open communicationall the time, Like we need to be
on the same page, we need to bedoing the same thing, yada,
yada, yada.
So that was Instagram was kindof my outlet for that, because
there's only so much I can do atschool and in the classroom and
stuff.
So that's kind of how all ofthe like just parenting tips and
tricks.
I'm not the best parent by anymeans.

(12:14):
Ty is not the best child by anymeans.
I very clearly, on Instagram,tell about real life situations.
Yes, you do I will tell Sky.
Yes, yes, I mean situations.
Yes, you do, I will attest tothat.
Yes, yes, I mean my girl.
Drop off is not her thing, sowe have tried many of the things
.
But so then I, as she's cominginto kindergarten, I'm really

(12:34):
getting that aspect of like thisis what she's worried about,
this is what I'm packing her forlunch.
These are the things that we'vetaught her to do in order to
make friends or stand up forherself or ask for help.
And I was like we've taught herto do in order to make friends
or stand up for herself or askfor help.
And I was like, what can I dowith all of this information and
knowledge?
Like I want to help people, andso I created these guides.
And people have really lovedthem and it's been super fun.

(12:57):
And so if you grab the guide,you also get into this exclusive
group chat on Instagram that Icreated.
So we've got moms and dads inthere like asking questions.
Someone asked this morning,like can my daughter bring a
stuffy to school?
And I'm like, well, I can'tspeak to like everybody's rules,
but in our school we do this.
Or someone's like how do I sendthis to school?

(13:20):
Like what about a hot lunch?
And I'm like can't really reallylike there's no microwave at
school anymore, so it's likethis great group chat, like
you're texting your best friend,but, hi, I'm a kindergarten
teacher and I can give you likethe real life answer, um.
So yeah, it's been a lot of funthat is.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
I love that and also the fact that you were teaching
during COVID.
Those kids are like what?
10, now Probably going intolike fifth grade, which is like
crazy.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, it's wild how fast time.
And they tell you like timegoes fast and like you believe
it.
And then like you have a kidand you're like how do I have an
almost six-year-old, Like I'mstill 21.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
I don't know about you guys.
Time is definitely a thief.
It's like crazy, crazy, crazy.
But I wanted to talk more about.
You said that like thebehaviors have changed, like
over the years, or like morespecifically, like pre-covid and
post-covid.
Like could you elaborate moreon that?
I kind of maybe have in my mind, but I'm not sure because I

(14:23):
didn't live it, but I'm like, oh, that's fascinating and I don't
know if it's just that I'mnoticing them more because, like
my daughter is of this age,like I might just be noticing,
um, and it's not just in theclassroom, like it's out in
public as well.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
And I think this whole era of like gentle
parenting and Montessoriactivities, I think it's just
you know, the pendulum swingsand I think we're like way over
here.
I think we're starting to comeback a little bit, but like I
don't know, I remember hearing,like I'm just going to give my

(15:03):
kid a knife this is Montessori.
He can like cut everything.
No, no, I mean, it was a kidsafe knife, but like.
No, you have.
Like.
Montessori is very much likeyou teach specifically how to
use something and then the kiddoes it like True, so like it.
There is some background tothat.
And as far as like theparenting with, like the gentle
parenting, like and I sawanother one, what did they call

(15:26):
it Like?
Because I said it the other dayoh, shoot, like, basically like
, do whatever.
I'm over it, Like.
Oh, that's what it is, figureit out.
And there's a cuss word inthere.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, that one and I was thinking about that and I
was like I've gotten to thatpoint.
But like we've done all thesteps first, I've told you
what's going to happen if you doit.
Like I've set the boundary,I've done it, now you can figure
it out and you know whatever.
Yeah, but that's not step one,Like I'm not just gonna let you

(16:01):
run wild and you see whathappens.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's not people are starting it like the last step.
Yes, yes, they're skipping andit's like.
I will admit, I have days where, like I skip the steps and like
listen like I have no energyleft?
Yes, but I feel like I don'tbelieve in gentle parenting.
I'll just say this right now um, because I don't.
I just think it's just like notweird, but I'm just like, it's

(16:24):
just like not reality to me.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
I feel like it maybe would have like are you a
millennial?
What does that?

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Like what generation I was 1987.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Oh, I'm 86.
You're a millennial.
Okay, perfect.
Um, I'm obsessed with thisstuff, though I love it.
You tell me all the things.
I'm obsessed with this stuff,though.
I love it you tell me all thethings Absolutely.
So you know.
We came up on like what?
Like cable TV, but also maybenot cable TV.
We came up on BCRs and we cameup on like cordless phones

(16:57):
Dial-up internet, dial-upinternet.
We came up on like Lisa Frankstuff.
We came up on Speed Valley High.
Yes, we came up on like lisafrank stuff.
We came up on sweet valley high.
We came up on like all of these.
I feel we're just talking.
I was talking, I think whatthey're talking about this with.
Like the other day it was likewe are like the last generation
to I don't know.

(17:19):
It's just like we're like thelast generation to like know
what it's like, to like put inwork and like get something in
return yes like every generation, like after us, is just like
instant gratification, yes, likewe're living it, but like we
came up with stuff, like we werealive during 9-11, like that

(17:40):
was a huge thing for themillennials.
We experienced um, like theinternet boom, like literally
like the ww era, whatever theycalled it right.
Um, we had car phones, like thezach morris phones, like my mom
used to write checks at thegrocery store and they used to

(18:02):
put it on that thing and likethey would slide it.
Like we are just like I feellike parenting was so different
back then.
But also it's like millennialparents, like it's all of us
over instagram like millennialparents, like raising kids.
And I will say, like I havefriends that are in like gen z
it's like the one after us orwhatever, okay, and like those

(18:25):
are like the standout people forme because, like I work with
them, so like obviously they'reresponsible because we're
working.
So it's like every generationis like they're bad apples and
like the friends that I havefrom gen z are like normal
people, but it's like they'rethey act closer to, like our
generation, where I'm just likeyou, identify more with us

(18:46):
because, like you're normal andlike the people that I know, in
that generation I'm like okay,like I'm not going to classify
you as that whole generation,but like your generation's a
little questionable sometimes.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, um well, and Russ and I were just talking to
these like younger parents.
It I feel like some peopledon't know what they're getting
into when they have a kid likeyour child.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Talk about that before I had kids.
It's just like.
It's not just like a shirt youbuy from the store and they're
not a trophy down when you'redone with it.
Yes, like it's a lifetime gig,boo-boo.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, you are no and I.
I know there's differentopinions on like my time, my
kids time, downtime.
I'm sorry for me.
Like she is my world and I willdo anything and everything for
her and my time comes second.
Like she is my priority.

(19:43):
Like I used to go to the gymseven days a week for an hour
and a half a day I go to the gym, maybe five to six times a week
, 20 minutes to maybe an hour,depending on, because if she
needs to get picked up, I'm theone picking her up.
Yeah, if she like, if she needshelp at bedtime, I'm doing

(20:03):
bedtime and my husband does agreat job.
He does a lot of it too, butthere are people who, I feel
like, get very upset becauseit's no longer their time
anymore.
I'm sorry.
You chose to have a kid.
Your job is now to parent them.
You are their teacher.
You're supposed to, in myopinion, create this kind

(20:23):
independent human who is readyto function in real life, and we
can't keep sugarcoatingeverything.
Your action has a consequence,whether it be positive or
negative, and you need to learnto deal with that consequence.
You could still be angry.
You may not hit, scream, yell,throw a tantrum in the middle of
the store.
I will carry you out of thatstore and we can talk in the car

(20:47):
Like what is happening.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
I was just telling my oldest today.
I said it's fine that you'reupset, that you're angry, like
you're mad, you, you'll get overit.
But the main point of thislesson is that, like you do not
yell at mommy, like you don'tscream, you can be angry, but
just like, use your words andlike I've been saying, like I
say like you'll get over it tothem, like not in, like a mean

(21:10):
way, but I'm just like great,it's fine.
Like you're angry, but like I'mstill going to be doing
parenting stuff with you, like,not that I don't care that
you're, you can harp, it's justlike I've been trying to like
teach them that, oh, was thatharsh.

(21:32):
I'm like, no, like you'll getover it, like I'm also already
over it because I don't care,like I don't care, not that I
don't care, you're mad at me,but like it's still go, do what
I asked you to do.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yes, I'm still your parent and I'm still in charge,
like Ty has been telling melately.
Well, I'm in charge of me andyou're in charge of you.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I mean, but also like your five.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
No, no, mommy's in charge.
My job is to keep you safe andsafe and healthy and you may not
slam the door in my face andyou need to go put your shoes
away so that no one else fallsLike yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Sorry, still, the parents Very fascinating.
And when you were saying about,like how your time comes second
, so there's like a huge debate,I think, and that like it's
either one side you are one side, you're not.
So I love like my parents werelike all about me and my sister,
which is like amazing, blah,blah, blah.
Um, I not that I disagree, butI feel like it's the whole like

(22:32):
put your oxygen mask on first soyou can help other people, and
it's just like I like what yousaid, but I feel like what I'm
going to say is like is oppositeof like it's weird.
So it's like you go to the gym,like you're still taking care
of yourself, yes, but like yourtime is limited now, right, so I
feel like people get so up inarms.
I'm like not that I disagreewith like putting kids first

(22:55):
because, yes, you can make sureyou keep them alive, but also
it's like you have to make sureyou are okay as a mom first,
like go to the doctor, likemental health and like all of
that stuff.
But, I feel like some people arelike, oh, like, I need to put
myself first.
It's like you.
Then they're using it as anopportunity to like forget about
their kids.
It's like you are now a parent.

(23:17):
You can no longer go out till 2am to a party, when you have
responsibilities from your kidsexpecting you to be home, unless
, like you are traveling andlike you're out.
I mean, god bless you if youmake it to 2 am, I will be in
bed by 9.
But what I'm saying is like youcan no longer have the same

(23:39):
lifestyle, right?
Yes, it's like okay, it's Idon't know, because it's just
like people I feel like getconfused about that.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
No, I thought your take is perfect myself first, in
the sense where it's like Istill go to the gym, I still do
self-care, but like, yes, it'sdifferent.
Like I miss the days where Ican just like look up a yoga
class on a random Tuesdayevening or Tuesday morning and
be like I'm gonna book it and goafter work because I it was
just me and my partner, we hadno kids, right and it's just

(24:05):
like I can't do that.
Now, obviously I have to planlike days ahead of time.
Who's doing take up?
So it's like, yeah, I'm puttingthem first in that sense where
it's like I'm not gonna be like,okay, mom, just like watch some
longer, I go do me.
I plan it ahead of time, yeah,and it's just like I'm not gonna
leave my kid aftercare for 15more minutes because I'm at a
workout class.
Like it doesn't work like that.
Like you, it's like you can'tcreate anxious beings because

(24:30):
you want to put yourself first.
It's like you have to like wouldI love to go to like a morning
orange theory class at 5am?
I would, but also it's going torequire more planning on our
end.
And like sometimes it can beinside a partner, which is like
not a bad thing or a good thing.
It's just like it may not justwork out for me, right, and I
have to go to the ones afterwork, which suck, but it's like

(24:51):
that's just where it is.
I'm at work during the day so Ican't go the middle of the day,
let them off, which is like awhole nother planning too.
So I'm feeling people I don'tknow.
It's just like weird.
It's like I've never like likebroken that down that loud and
go, I'm gonna put myself first.
We're like, yes, I do.
We're like I still take care ofmyself, yes, but I also make

(25:11):
sure my kids are taken care offirst, right, and it's like I
shower before they wake up,because you know I'm gonna get
myself dressed first before Iget them dressed.
It was like, yeah, so I feellike people, it's like all or
nothing and I'm like, like yousaid, like you chose this life,
boo, boo right and it's like itsucks sometimes and like

(25:34):
motherhood isn't always fun, butit's just like I feel, like you
said, people don't know whatthey're signing up for.
Right, and it troubles mebeyond belief because I'm like
do you know the damage you werecreating for your children?

Speaker 3 (25:46):
right, and that's where I have a permanent but and
that's where I have a problemwith social media, because I
feel like a lot of influencersand just people out, even
friends, like they're justshowing the highlight reel and
as much as you say that topeople, I don't think they truly
get it, because I mean I canshare ties, like I don't show

(26:08):
her actually tantruming, but Ican talk about her tantrums.
I can talk about how drop-offwas so hard and I cried after
drop-offs last year, like I cantell you all these things but
until you're living it it's hard.
It is hard for teachersespecially.
I'm thinking of just becausethat's my life.
I regulate kids' emotions allday long and then I come home

(26:30):
and I regulate kids emotions allday long.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
And then I come home and I'm not even your kid.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
all day long I've already had a tantrum in the
morning.
I need to be a parent and youtell your child that they need
to have the same two shoes onwhen they come to school.
Like I've already had thatproblem at home, I've already
dealt with it.
Now I need you to deal with it.
My job is to teach thecurriculum.
It's just things like thatwhere I feel like social media

(26:59):
just glorifies everything and sopeople who haven't grown up
with kids or don't babysitwhatever, I don't think they
grasp it and it worries me forthem because it is a huge
adjustment.
Even for those of us who areimmersed in it and love it and
have the background knowledge tolike know what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
It was still a hard adjustment for us um, it's hard
because you like I picturemyself like reading all these
like parenting books and like Ididn't read one book.
I started reading blogs when Ifound out I was pregnant and
then I started getting into likemiscarriages and like I was
like, okay, I'm not doing thisbecause I'm still the first
trimester, freaking myself out.
So I stopped that real quick,yeah, and I read like no

(27:38):
parenting advice.
So I'm just like I've alwaysbeen told like it's your
experience yes like you, havinga four-month-old to went through
the night was not my experiencewith either of my children, and
that's nothing to get upsetupset about with anybody.
It's like every baby isdifferent.
Yes, yes, and it's like, but itdoesn't mean motherhood is easy
for you.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
It's like we all have , and I think that's the other
thing.
I think you make a really goodpoint, like we all have
different struggles.
So like, yes, ty slept throughthe night for the first.
I mean, she's always sleptthrough the night, like we.
Just that was one of our thingsand so we really focused on
that.
But let me tell you four andfive well, really five has been

(28:18):
the hardest year for us, and Iknow a lot of people struggling
hardcore right now with babiesunder one, and I bet you they're
three.
Four and five-year-olds will beeasier for them.
So, like you have it hard, youhave it hard now, later it
doesn't matter.
And even when you overcomedrop-off, well, now, guess what?

(28:39):
There's a new problem thatyou're going to have to tackle
and you're going to figure thatone out and then the old problem
might come back again.
You'll have to try somethingelse and then, like it doesn't,
life isn't easy.
Like we have to figure it outtogether and I've said it before
, like everything isfigureoutable, sometimes
stepping away, getting someoneelse's perspective, talking to a

(29:02):
friend, and I think that's theother thing.
I'm going on a million tangents.
No, please, this is what we dohere Sharing your struggles with
people and just bouncing ideasoff of them, just saying it out
loud sometimes helps us figureout.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I've never said that out loud, like oh yeah, like you
know, like I've said, like likemy sister, my sister, like oh
yeah, like got to put myselffirst.
I've never like broken it downfor somebody that like said it
the way that you said it.
I was like oh wait.
I was like let me you know,explain my version and see if it
sounds like I'm being likeridiculous.
But I'm like no, like I put mykids first, but also I take care

(29:40):
of myself, because I know likeif I don't, I'm not going to
show up for them.
And like I put them first where,like you know, I'm not out till
2am, like I'm not clubbing, I'mnot going to the bar, like,
also because I have a full-timejob so I wouldn't be able to get
up in the morning to get up.
It's just like your life, justlike changes.

(30:02):
And it's just no one's ready,like no one is ready.
It's like it's not a feeling,it's just a decision and you
have to go for it.
And my parents have like alwaysput us first.
They were both on the same page, still are with, like you know,
kids or whatever yeah but it'sjust like that was like the main
thing, like putting us first.

(30:25):
Um, it affected like theirrelationship, like they're no
longer together now, but it'slike it was like looking back.
I'm like, okay, maybe theyshouldn't have taken us out to
eat with them on, like theiranniversary dinner, like they
wanted, they wanted to be withus, right, and it's like that's
just like it was just thatgeneration, yeah, and it's like,

(30:46):
do I think they should havemaybe gotten date nights without
us?
Absolutely, yeah, I think theywould slip it together today.
I don't know, but I'm just nogoing by.
Like what our experience was isthat like we were always.
They were always with us, whichis fantastic.
You never have to questionwhether or not they love us,
because we know they do.
Yeah, there was no parentalneglect.
Like they showed up foreverything.

(31:08):
We like we went without nothing.
I mean like we didn't have toask for anything, right, it's
like they supported us, likewith any and everything, and
like they still do.
So it's just like they're.
I know some people who did nothave that Right, whether their
parents weren't there or likethey were alive, but like not

(31:29):
present.
Mm-hmm parents weren't there,or like they were alive, but
like not present, but like theywere on common ground on that,
which is like what you need tobe common ground for.
Yeah, um, I don't know.
It's just like fascinating.
And then also it's like peoplejust like don't realize that
like having kids literally islike this is a like lifetime gig

(31:49):
.
You can't just like parent, oneday decide you don't want to do
it the next day.
Right Well and so funny story.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yes, but funny story because I lived at home all
through college and thengraduated, bought my own condo,
like less than a half mile frommy family, and then met my
husband and then he moved intomy condo when we were engaged

(32:21):
and then like that whole thinghappened.
So like I've literally, and welive 15 minutes from my family
now and his like life is great,but I call my mom and dad daily,
maybe multiple times a day.
Yeah, Ty, my daughter and I goover my parents' house multiple
times a week.
We see Russ's family multipletimes a week.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
My mother, watches my three-year-old?
Yes, and this summer she'swatched my oldest because he's
not in camp, because it'sexpensive.
So it's like I see my motherMondays through Friday and all
the weekends, so she comes overor I'm hanging out with her, she
hangs out with my sister and myniece, so it's just like all
the time and it's just like yousaid, it's a full-time job.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
So ty and I were talking in the car the other day
and she was like mom, I'm gonnalive with you forever and I was
like, okay, you can.
I said you probably won't wantto, maybe you'll just call me
every day, like right yeah andshe was like I'll get a phone.
And I'm like, okay, yep, you'llhave a phone one day and you can
call me every day.
You can live with us as long asyou want, but there's gonna

(33:20):
come a time you don't want tolive with us, but you can still
call me and we can go for walksand hang out.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
It was just it was so cute.
No, their minds are fascinating, but like, just like talking to
my parents, like their mindset,like when they were having kids
, like my dad was like.
He was just like ready, like itwasn't, like, he was just like
over, like the partying, he wasjust like I'm just, they were
both just ready to like settledown and start a family.

(33:46):
They were just like this isgetting old, like I don't want
to, you know it's like you justgrow out of it yeah, and you're
just like.
I don't want to do this anymorebut then also, it's like when
you have the kids oh, did youever like want to like go back
and miss your old life?
He's like no, he's like likethat passed and I'm like you
know, let's move on to the nextphase, right, right.
And I think like I do miss myold life sometimes, like like

(34:10):
for certain things.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Oh yeah, for sure, I miss going to the gym all day,
every day, that was great.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I miss randomly going to Target and walking around
alone.
Yes, like randomly doing things.
Yes, would I give up my kidsjust to go to Target alone?
Hell, no.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Right Like.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I could still go to Target alone.
I have to be a neglectfulparent, so it's like you have to
pick and choose right and.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
I feel like people just don't understand that, like
your life is not going to bethe same right right and it's
not going to be better or worseit's just going to be better or
worse, it's just going to bedifferent and different is okay
and different is hard to getused to, and different takes
some people longer than othersto get used to.
So like for us, for instance,I've wanted to be a mom my

(35:05):
entire life.
Like it just who I am.
So like when I had a baby, Iwas like, oh, this is great.
Like, yeah, like I was never apartier, like I just none of
that was ever my scene.
My husband, on the other hand,was like Mr Social and it was
harder for him to be like he's.
I want to play tennis and Iwant to play paddle and I'm

(35:26):
going to do all that and hestill does it, but he does it
less because like you still haveto be home, home, and like we
go to his paddle events andwatch daddy and like all of that
.
Like it just changes.
And I think it's harder forsome people to adjust to that
change, and that's okay, butyour life does have to adjust.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
When you have a kid, it it just has to yes, and I
feel like when you have partnerswho are like both social, it
could like cause tension becausemaybe, like mom feels like oh,
you still get to go out with ourfriends and I'm home with the
baby and like.
But I also feel like people wholike there's like social

(36:03):
couples who do have children,but they don't let that stop
them from being social, which Ithink is like fantastic.
Yeah, sometimes I'm like that'skind of questionable.
Why is your four month old atthe bar with you?
Can't you just grab a bottle ofwine and stay home or get a
babysitter, or maybe a fewfriends over.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
My thing is, though, like I don't mind going out,
like late night things, like Ican stay up I don't know how
people function the next morning.
Like I have a hard enough timekeeping my emotions in check
when I have sleep.
I can't imagine the next dayfunctioning Not just that, but

(36:42):
like and having my alcoholtolerance changed after children
.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
It's just like, yeah, it's just I'm like, plus, I
don't know.
It's, yes, it's.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
I'm just always so like, I'm just in all I'm like,
if you can do it, that's great.
Like, yeah you, if I justcouldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
There's no way I could be hungover with a kid
there's no way.
I'm also like there are certaintypes of people who go to bars
that I wouldn't want around mychildren.
Oh yeah, that too, yeah yeah.
So I'm just like do you boo,like whatever?
But I just feel like sometimespeople need to like realize that
divide, like you can still likethere are people that bring
their kids to breweries andwineries, like we do breweries,

(37:26):
breweries.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I don't drink wine, but fine, I love wineries.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I haven't brought my kids there yet, but I'm like
sure, like why not?
I'm just like I like the peoplethat like don't let their kids
stop them from like still beingsocial, but also kind of like
there needs to be a fine lineyes, there are boundaries that
need to be set in place yes,especially as they get older and
it's like and they're moreaware, and you need a routine.

(37:50):
They're more aware, like ifthey're out till 10 pm, you know
, waking up in the morning it'sgoing to be hell, right, you're
both going to be in a bad mood.
They have school the next day.
Or if it is a friday to asaturday, okay, it's going to be
the weekend, but you still needto keep them on a routine, kind
of what if they're sports,they're going to be no good for
the soccer game on Saturdaymorning.
They were out till 10 PM withyou.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Right, right, yeah.
So we were talking about that,Russ and I were talking about
that.
The other day.
There was some reel that wentaround or he sent it to me or
something that like I guess inother countries like kids are
more like accepted in public andlike these people just take
their kids out all the time andthey go to restaurants and they
don't have to be quiet andthey're just sleeping in the car

(38:32):
seat and they're sleeping inthe stroller and just got it.
The parents are just going onwith their life and I'm like
hold on a minute.
Like yeah, that sounds great,that seems great, but that's not
developmentally appropriate forthe kid.
Like think about your sleep.
You sleep better in a bed, yousleep better when it's dark and
it's cooler.

(38:52):
Like these are all likescientific facts.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
When like you're in your own environment?

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yes, rather than like snoozing in a stroller at 10
o'clock at night, like sleepingis sleeping, but like not really
.
And like should you really bearound?
Like old I'm thinking liketoddler age and older like Ty
picks up a lot of stuff.
Do I want her overhearing adultconversations all the time?

Speaker 2 (39:15):
No, it's terrifying almost, because like our six
year old will like repeat thingsback to us and I'm like, oh
right, you listen to everysingle thing that we say.
And like he'll say stuff to thethree-year-old.
And I'm just like right,because he heard me say that to
him and I'm like, or he'll belike, will you say that?

Speaker 3 (39:36):
and I'm like, I'm like you're not wrong and are
you out of the spelling phasenow?
We can no longer be like shouldwe get p-i-z-z-a for dinner?
She's like pizza.
Yeah, I want pizza and I'm likeoh I forgot.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
My oldest has been like spelling and picking up on
things since he was probablylike three, oh god, three or
four.
So it's like I will spellsomething and, like my youngest
now picks like I was.
We were listening to somethingin the car and the song had like
the word pool in it and he'slike oh, pool.
I'm like did you just read thatfrom the back?

(40:09):
That's awesome.
I said pool, um, but it's justlike I don't know.
But I also like when the oldestwas starting to talk and I've
done it with the youngest, it'sgotten better now it's like if I
can't understand what they'resaying which, like most times
when they're younger, you can't,but as a mom you understand

(40:31):
more than like your averagerandom person from the street
would.
So I used to be like what doesit start with so that I could,
like they can feel heard,because they get frustrated when
you don't understand, becausethey think that you should just
understand.
I have no idea what you'resaying to me.
I know you're getting frustrated, but I don't know what this
means.
So, to help us out, what doesit start with?

(40:52):
And like it's gotten so muchbetter with the youngest, I'm
like what does it start with?
Or like you can see him gettingfrustrated and he'll like, if
he's talking about a toy orsomething he'll like maybe try
to go find it in his room tolike show you which.
I'm like that's good putting ittogether.
But I'm like he'll have to sayto me I'm like, oh, okay, that's
what that means.
Like oh, it starts with b, oh,that's what you're trying to say

(41:15):
.
And he's like, yes, so it'sjust like I've always done that,
like that's great, because I'mjust like it helps them like
recognize things and likeeventually spell and like read.
But I'm just like what doesthis start with?
Bro, just give me a letter andwe can go from there.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, cause I'm just like I, I just feel like I don't
know.
Cause they get frustrated.
And then you get frustratedCause you just like we just want
to communicate with each other,but I don't know what you're
saying today, right?

Speaker 3 (41:44):
I'll say the best thing that we did for
communication when Ty was little, we did sign language and we
don't know sign language at all.
Like I was just picking it up,looking it up here and there,
and I swear that's why shedidn't have so many tantrums,
because, like she was able to.
So, for instance, like this ishelp, but she raised her hand

(42:06):
instead of doing that.
So every time she needed helpshe raised her hand and we joked
because I was a teacher and Iwas like raise your hand if you
need help.
But I would say she knew maybe10 to 15 signs, but it was so
helpful in that communicationlink and, like I said, neither
of us knew it.
So they were ASL signs, theywere real signs, but like it's,

(42:30):
like you said, like feelingheard, being heard, minimizing
the frustration and them gettingwhat they need.
Communication is all aboutgaining information and gaining
things and so if we give themthe tools, like you're giving
them the letters, we were doingsigns, like it's helping with
all of that and it's just it'sso fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
No, no, I love it.
And I also love um when I seelittle kids, like when they do
the sign language, just likewhen they're eating, where I
think they'll do more or they'llbe like, like they'll say, and
I'm like, oh my gosh, but it'slike you don't have to be deaf
to like do that yes, right likeI, because it's like they're
still learning how to talk, soit's like not the same thing as

(43:08):
being deaf, but like they stillneed to learn how I cause it's
like they're still learning howto talk, so it's like not the
same thing as being deaf, butlike they still need to learn
how to communicate.
So it's like more, or like youknow, all the like I'm just like
that is so like fascinating andit's like incredible and like
who, like who doesn't want tolearn sign language?
It's just like awesome to know,even if you don't need it to
communicate.
Right, because like you're notdeaf, but like you never know.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Right, well, and all the kids?
Now I feel like we're getting alot of bilingual kids, and so
the parents are like, okay, onlyEnglish.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no,keep speaking your native
language.
It is amazing that your childcan speak both languages.
Don't stop doing that.
Like they know Spanish andEnglish, like I wish I knew

(43:54):
another language as well as them.
And they pick it up.
Kids that I have that start theyear with little to no English
and by the end of the year theycan speak it, read it, write it.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
To an extent, I'm like that's why they say to each
write it.
To an extent I'm like.
That's why they say to teach ifyou want your kids to learn a
foreign language to start, likewhen they're talking because
your brain isn't filled with allthe crap that ours is filled
with right, right, a completesponge.
They pick it up like that andthey'll hold on to it.

(44:26):
Like I am trying to relearnFrench that I learned in high
school.
I haven't picked up Babbel inlike months, but it's like I've
been trying.
But again I am what?
38 with two kids working afull-time job.
It's like I bought this likesubscription form, like oh, I
can do it for three months.
I'm like I think I did it forlike a month, like it was cool,

(44:48):
but I'm like I'm also doingother things and it's just like
it's still my phone.
I literally still see it everyday staring at me, but I'm like
yeah, do it right now.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
So how does it work?
Because that's really cool,like I've heard of it yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
So, um, it's called babble.
It's an app which is awesomeand there's like so many
languages on there.
But I did French because I tookthat in high school and I still
like remember some of it.
Oh, this should be great.
But there's like differentlevels where it's like you want
to learn just like the basics,and it's like, oh, you want to
learn how to like read it andlike write it.

(45:22):
So I'm like on level one, butit's like it gives you like
challenges you could do, like tochallenge yourself throughout
the day, like, oh, do fiveminutes of it.
Like, if you do 10 minutes ofit, then you might be on to the
next level, to like start toread it and recognize it.
And then it's like throughoutthe lessons it's like, um,
they'll say stuff to you and youhave to like try not decode it,

(45:43):
but like pick, like what theyjust said to you.
So it's like you hear it andthen like you see it, because
there's like options, so it'slike interactive on the app.
You can do the interaction part.
Yeah, okay, okay.
And it's like I can send it toyou because I think and it's
also there was some specialgoing on when I purchased it.
It was like three months,probably have to rebuy the

(46:14):
subscription now, but anyway, um, you look at these different
levels and like you work at yourown pace and like I still have
it on my phone to like send mereminders to do it every day,
because I never turned it off,but you can have it, send you
reminders to your phone to like,oh, do your lesson today.
And like you can do becauseliterally I would do it like
before work for like fiveminutes, but it's like I would,
like I still know, like when,when I would hear them talk, I'm
like, oh, like I recognize,like that sounds familiar to me,

(46:36):
so it's like kind of flyingthrough the lessons, but then
you also can say it back to themand they can hear you like
saying the words, and it's likethey'll be like oh, like that
was wrong or let's try again.
Can't get to the next lessonuntil you get all of them
correct and you can do it asmany times as you need to.
Oh, cool.

(46:57):
Yeah.
So they have other languages onthere too which I've like never
taken.
Like I didn't take Spanish, Itook only French, which I
thought was like, becauseeveryone was taking Spanish.
I'm like, well, let's take that.
And then we also had Italianthat a friend of mine took.
I thought that was awesome too.
Yeah, yeah.
But I mean, like there's likePortuguese on there, polish,

(47:19):
spanish, french, german yeah,it's like so many languages on
there and I'm like I kind ofwant to learn French again, but
also, like it's like you do itin your own time, so I can help.
It allows you to do it in yourown time.
Yeah, but it's a little bitharder now because, like I'm
older and I have all this crackin my head, um, to remember.

(47:39):
But like my oldest would likehere, he's like what is that?
Like oh, it's French, and likehe would like pick it up.
But also, um, was it daycaremaybe, or maybe not, I don't
remember but like he would likesay like the numbers in Spanish
from like the videos they werewatching, and I'm like, okay,
yeah, because they're teachingkids new languages, like when

(48:00):
they're younger yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
I'm like wait, that's amazing so Ty has this thing
called the yodo.
I don't know if you've heard ofit, so it's like Never heard of
it.
It's amazing.
That's how we survive rest time.
So it's this little box, wehave the mini and then you buy
these cards and the cards go in.
It's basically stories likeread aloud yeah, and for
whatever.
I don't know if we got it forher or my brother-in-law.

(48:24):
he speaks fluent Spanish butit's a Spanish card and she
loves it because it's like thisboy with a funny voice and then
this Spanish dog.
So the guy talks to the dog andthey go back and forth in
English and Spanish and sheloves it.
Well, the like this.
She's been listening to itforever but she'd be like I need
agua and I'm like wait what?

(48:44):
And then she like startedcounting in Spanish and like she
knows her favorite I love hotchocolate.
She was like mom, do you wantsome chocolate Caliente?
I think that's how you say it.
And I was like, wait, yes, I do.
How do you know that?
Like so, yeah, like they pickit up so early.
And I feel like now our kids,these days, with the internet

(49:05):
and all of the things that wehave, they just have more
opportunity to hear it and pickit up and use it and more people
know the basics.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I feel like that, yeah, it's pretty cool no, yeah,
I love also that we just wenton a tangent from the beginning
it's my favorite um, absolutelylove it.
We have to do a part two to getmy sister on here to talk more
about this because she's alsomillennial.
She's 94, um, I think it ends inlike 95, I don't remember, but

(49:35):
it's no, she's a millennial.
But anyway, like we also talkabout gentle parenting, but she
is a fan of the monosaur.
She thinks it's so cute andfascinating yes, I'd love to
talk to her but like she doesn'tdo it with my niece, like not
saying she doesn't do it at all,but it's like she's just so
fascinated yes, it isfascinating she's like it's like

(49:55):
three-year-olds making oatmealfor themselves.
She's like what is that?
I'm like, yeah, that'sinteresting.
I mean it's good to haveself-sufficient children, yes,
but I also feel like it's notreality all the time.
It's not reality all the timeand, like I said, I think you
shouldn't know how to makeoatmeal.
I don't need feel like it's notreality all the time.
It's not reality all the timeand, like I said, I think Like
at three, you shouldn't know howto make oatmeal.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
I don't need to buy it.
I think it's a cool skill tohave if you've taught them how
to do it all safely Correct.
And I think people forget thatpart and you have to be
consistent with that teaching.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yes, but I think people are like oh, this is
funny, which means repeating itover and over like 50 times.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yes, repetition is the key to learning.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
But, I think that people think Montessori is let
me give them a packet of oatmealand some milk and like here,
have fun.
No, that's not it.
That's not how we do it.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Right, but yeah, it's so interesting I forgot to like
say my grandmother, my dad'smom, was a first grade teacher
for over 30 years.
So I used to like go to helpher set up her classroom.
She had, like you know, thesubscription, like the discount,
like the teacher, the teacherstore, so I would always go with

(51:01):
her there and like, I don'tthink other than like when we
were younger maybe we got toys,but every single present was
like a book, yeah, and like shewould like autograph it and like
write notes in it and like weshe passed, she's passed away.
But like we like um, my sisterand I got a matching tattoos
love always, because that's howshe used to sign her stuff and

(51:23):
our one of her cousins got ittoo.
But it was like in herhandwriting.
But um, like her, their housewas like full of, like it was
hooked on like everything,anything educational, right,
brain quest, like and my mom isbig on like educational stuff
too, but it's like that's justlike how I grew up and like my

(51:45):
mom used to make us do hooked onphonics in the summer and like
everything.
It's just like I don't know.
So I just think that's like sofascinating and like she loved
kids and she has three of herown.
Like my dad my aunt and myuncle and it's like she would
come home to like three kids andlike she taught, like so many
kids obviously, over the yearsand she was just like she, just

(52:06):
like loved children and.
I'm always like it takes aspecial kind of person to be a
teacher, because it could not beme.
You could do it if you had to.
I mean absolutely.
But it's like we all havedifferent talents for a reason.
Yes, yes, that is true, um, butI'm like it just takes a like I
feel like you know, if you wantto be a teacher, it's like you
love kids, like that's likeusually the next step, but it's

(52:27):
like, yeah, I love kids, butlike do I love it enough to
teach other people's children?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
absolutely not the best part is hearing the people
that are, um, like job changersor that come to substitute and
they're like okay, bye, no, no,you can't, you can't leave not
yet leave, it's not over yeah,no, you can't.
And like please stop quittingin the middle of the year, like
you can't do that either.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I mean I'm sure it's not easy, Like teaching is hard,
obviously.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
But I just don't.
I think teachers don't getenough like respect, but we
definitely have to do a part two, because I think we can talk
about so many things, yes, sothank you so much for being on.
This was so fun.
Thanks for having me.
This is great.
I'm like.
This is why we love like, notgiving like oh, this is what
we're going to talk about,because we literally talk about
everything and like it somehowall comes back together in the

(53:17):
end.
Yes, perfect, but I will.
I'm gonna share all of yourinformation in the show notes.
Awesome, thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
Yes, do you have else Like anylast thoughts for the listener?

Speaker 3 (53:35):
I don't think so.
Just keep doing the hardparenting.
It's hard to say no, it's hardto hold the boundary, it's hard
to be consistent.
But the more consistent you areat being consistent and holding
the boundary, I promise you itgets easier down the road.
They stop pushing back as much.
They stop pushing back as hard.
They're all about testingboundaries.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
I mean, that's how, that's essentially how you learn
.
Yes, yep, it's just hard whenyou're like when it's your child
coming at you and you're likeI've told you no, stop asking me
, yes yep, so just keep doingthe hard fight.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Everything's figureoutable, you can do things
.
You can see, I've got myposters in here.
Yes, I love it.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
You could do it.
Yes, well, thank you so much,angie.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah, it's great talking with you all.
Hopefully we guys can like meetin person.
That'd be so fun.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I know we can talk about that too.
Maybe we can record in person.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Yes, let's do it Okay , and then yeah, all right, bye.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
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