June 18, 2025 • 32 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That's me confronting the sixty million dollar televangelist Benny Hint.
Benny Hint is a false poppet. Thank you. It's than
a seven.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We're going to get into the scriptures. Can we do
that now?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
He lives in a ten million dollar mansion, bought a
private jet with donations from the church goers, has made
as riches by claiming to perform miracles, healing divi and
by preaching the prosperity Gospel, basically the idea that the
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more money you give to God, the more money God
gives to you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Are you facing a financial difficulty right now? There's only
one way out of it. Give to the Lord. Even
that little you have left, give it to God.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
The only problem is your money goes straight to Benny's
bank account, while your wallet gets a prayer.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
He told me that my vision would be twenty twenty,
if not better.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
A couple hours later, it's just like now I can't
see the TV. And Benny's not the only one who's
made millions preaching the prosperity Gospel to desperate people in
need of a miracle. So I have a question for you.
Do you think you've used the Lord's ward it's a profit.
Let's begin our investigation into the world of false prophets
at Kenneth Copeland's church.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
He made that airplane so cheap for me, I couldn't
help it buy it.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Perhaps the scariest and richest pastor in the world. I
am a rich Jew. Back by Richard Jew. I pulled
up myself to see what is church actually believes it
not a ton of people here right now and Israel flag.
Of course, I don't know anymore. Here's the thing about
these places, They're all so nice. You feel bad coming
in even asking questions because they're all so sweet to you.
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We're gona hop out go to church, give some money
to God, and hopefully at ten ax is like crypto.
What does some people misunderstand about the prosperity gospel.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
I think they misunderstand the fact that in order for
God to be able to accomplish what he wants to
accomplish in the world and through his people and with
his people and to those that don't know him, it
takes finances to do that.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Money makes this world go around.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
Absolutely, Prosperity is an all inclusive term. It's not about
getting rich quick or anything like that. But having the
kind of life that God would have you to live
like Abraham, and Genesis thirteen to two says he was
very rich in cattle, silver, and gold, which was what
he needed. He had to quite a mariage pass on
to others. But whatever it is, we pass that alonge, yes.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Sir, And how you doing, sir. We're doing a little
interview right now.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Okay, this is private property. You're not allowed to do that.
So I've got the place right here.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Why do you think people from the outside are so
critical of the concept of the church having money or
using money to sort of propagate or bring more people
into the church.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
It's been some of the misuses and the abuses of
the past that have not been godly.
Speaker 7 (02:58):
Certainly, I believe in the prosperity gospel because that's what
Jesus preached, prosperity.
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In health, mind, sol finances.
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So the whole Bible, the whole Gospel is prosperity.
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Ken God's will be accomplished without money.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Do you think, well, finances is the fuel. Anything doesn't
work in this world unless you have some financial basis
to work from. None of this would be here unless
there was a financial base.
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Oh, I had it inside to see what the fuss
was all about. Would this somehow be a misunderstood church
with a lead pastor that happens to be worth hundreds
of millions of dollars. As I entered the church doors,
the first thing I noticed was Kenneth Copeland's store selling
everything you could think of and the Bible somewhere.
Speaker 9 (03:40):
That's fine, that's got approved.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Hap After purchasing a thirty eight dollars Copeland hat it
was time to go to church and listen to what
they had to say.
Speaker 9 (03:49):
If we don't have to do a.
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Whole lot of deep dig in the scripture to just
find that from the Bible, from the word of God,
his will for you is that you prosper about Abraham
in Genesis chapter twelve, and starting just chapter twelve and on,
the very first thing that God did to ratify the
blessing on a Brahm's life was he brought.
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Him out and he made him rich.
Speaker 8 (04:09):
And Church, I'm here to announce to you today he's
still bringing us out and he's still making us rich.
He's still bringing us out and he's still making us rich.
Speaker 10 (04:18):
He will deliver you. He will set you on high
because you've known his name. When you call upon him,
he will answer you.
Speaker 8 (04:27):
He will be with you in trouble, and he always
intends to bring you out. Says he's trying to get
something from you. But because he's trying to get something
to you, he says, be a giver. Why, Because I'm
a giver, So I want you to be a giver.
Therefore you step into the company. So this morning you
get an opportunity to exercise on Mother's Day what your
mother would say.
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Do what you've been told.
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God wants to bless you, So step into the blessing. Amen.
So if you're giving this morning, you can make your
checks payable to em I C for cash, credit or giving.
There's an envelope on the seat back in front of you.
You will populate there. Or you can text to give.
This is one of our most popular ways. You can
text three six six h nine. Have your Mother's Day
and ushers with the people already, you can wait on
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the people praise God.
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As the ushers collected donations, I was happy to learn
they also accepted credit card, but was surprised they didn't
take crypto. But as the sermon began, I learned that
a lot of this church's message was to basically claim
blessings from God, and if you had enough faith, your
life would be blessed. And if you didn't receive a blessing,
it was because you didn't have enough faith.
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You know, Sister Gloria really has taught us so much
about what it means to apply the principles of prosperity
that we find in the Word of God.
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And the words prosperity and faith were repeatedly emphasized throughout
the sermon, sort of like we were casting a spell
upon ourselves.
Speaker 8 (05:51):
Brother Copeland has taught this statement and that is this
faith begins where the will of God is known.
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And there may be those of you who have never
heard this before.
Speaker 8 (06:01):
God's will is for you to walk in prosperity. Third John,
chapter one, verse two says, beloved, I pray that you
may prosper in every way. Say every way, So prosperity
is God's will for you. The issue is is sometimes
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when we hear prosperity if we take money, but that
is a limited view of what prosperity is.
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It includes your money, but it also includes your marriage.
Speaker 8 (06:31):
It includes your family, God, it includes our finances.
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Amen, my interpretation of the sermon is that God is
like a miracle machine where I can will miracles into
my life and if I give him my faith and money,
he will give me whatever I desire. Ultimately, God is
there to make my life amazing. And after a sprinkle
of sermon, this church began plugging harder than most YouTubers.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
And in addition, for the people in the room at
the Word Works Books where we have a Mother's Day
sale going on special eyes. I don't you see their
special line observed of fifty percent off and everything is
up to twenty percent off so you can celebrate the
mothers in your life with.
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A special gift today. So again, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Mom.
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We honor you and we are so grateful for you.
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As this old man began preaching, it was clear that
Kenneth was nowhere to be found and was probably taking
a nap in his mansion on the property right next
to his private jet. Oh. I drove south to Houston
to confront the next biggest prosperity pastor I could think of,
Joel Ostein. You may have seen Joel on the news
seven years ago after Hurricane Harvey ravaged the city of Houston.
Speaker 11 (07:35):
Television pastor Joel Ostein is speaking out this morning, answering
critics who say he waited too long to open his
Houston megachurch to flood victims. The building, once a sixteen
thousand seat arena, is now filling up with volunteers, supplies,
and evacuees. But that didn't happen until yesterday.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
From what I've seen, he's almost like a motivational speaker
who has co opted God and Jesus as his mascots
to make money. I went to go see for myself.
Faster is Joel of Victoria hosting? This is no longer
a humble carpenter preaching the gospel here. This is an
industrial corporate entity bringing in almost one hundred million dollars
a year. What are your thoughts on Joel Osteing being
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super rich as a pastor. I don't.
Speaker 12 (08:15):
I don't think it's ethical. I don't believe like super
rich people should exist in general. I think especially in
the context of religion and you know, the communities that
they supposedly drive and support. As far as having religion
be the basis of your own way to get there
is extremely I guess hypocritical. You know they're these uh
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self proclaimed middlemen between God and the people, and they
definitely use it to their advantage.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Unfortunately, it was time to enter the church and see
what their service even looked like.
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So he does the meet and greed on the siccond floor.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, before we attended service, I went upstairs to explore
Joel's massive bookstore to see his latest product line. With
so many products lining the shelves here besides the Bible,
and with Joel's face plastered around the church like that
of Jesus himself, he's got a lot of books his
latest book. One has to wonder if Joel uses his
church's estimated ninety million dollar annual budget and his mega
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church has a massive marketing machine to sell as many
books as possible. But if the Bible is the true
word of God, why would one need any of the
countless books written by Joel. There's so many books here
you couldn't even read them all. It's like they have
a metro left to the church. That's crazy. It's just huge.
But it's a massive auditorium. As I took one of
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the sixteen thousand available seats here in the largest church
in America. After a digital greeting from Joel.
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We're so gless to have you.
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Always a joy to come into your homes.
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We just feel.
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Blassed and honored.
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Sunday service had begun and then the hype man himself
had entered the building ready to preach.
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The Lord God fear good all about so long to
ever hear the person.
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And I know we have some of our homecoming weekend
crowd with us as well, so.
Speaker 9 (10:22):
I hope right now, but you just realize that God
has smiled hell on you.
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He's got great pace in store for each one of us.
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And we wouldn't be alive unless God had greater.
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Pictures up in store.
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And I won't lie. The energy in here was contagious
and it was easy to feel fuzzy inside.
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It take a moment to worship the Lord.
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With our ties and our offerings, we want to paint
you for your generosity and your donations.
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Together, we're impacting.
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People with home from the love of Christ all over
the world.
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Proverbs eighteen says, when you get it can open doors.
That's what we're believing for you, among other things, that
in twenty twenty four you're gonna see God open some
doors that you could open.
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On your own. That happens when you're when you're faithful,
when you are God with your life, with your decision,
and of course with your funds as well.
Speaker 9 (11:16):
And that's what you guys do every week. So's get
that down in your sphere.
Speaker 15 (11:20):
God can open doors that no person can shoot in
your business and your finances.
Speaker 10 (11:25):
They tech me good here and for your children, for
the schools they need to go through the clothing.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But did the attendance come here to worship God or
to get a motivational speech from Joel and a blessing
from God? But of course, no matter how charismatic Joel
was or how blessed his hairline is, his church preaches
that the more faith and money I give to God,
the more blessed my life is. And at the end
of the day, financially giving to God or rather Joel's
church is essential to open doors that are impossible to
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open on my own. And this sales pitch works luckily
for me. There was a meet and greet with Joel
right after service. People are any prosperities to come. What
you giveth you may receive it in ten times. That's
the hope. At the very least, I mean, I guess
I have a few basic questions, but I really want
to know what is the justification for the belief in
that giving to God is required for God to bless you?
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And of course, has Joel himself profited off of God's
word to enrich himself? Amon, Joel, let us in let
us please please God, please please fur us one more,
please please please here, please man.
Speaker 10 (12:27):
Certain time.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
We do have books that are already signed that please
this close. Oh yes, I need a promise. All right,
you gotta go quick, Billy Dolly.
Speaker 16 (12:41):
They'll start a story with when I was five.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Okay, okay, thank you so much. Thank you, Joel. How
you doing, I'm doing good? Could you sign my book?
All right? Thank you so much, thank you. I'm from Austin, Texas. Joel,
I have a question for you. Do you think you've
used the word the Lord's word? It's a prophet like
grossly you have just do you think you distorted the
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Lord's word to make money? Appreciate you. I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry. Yes, ma'am, I asked you not to do that.
And the obedience of God. He is a blessing and
you're here, and we asked you not to do it,
and you still did that. Okay, cool, God bless you,
God bless you, God bless you. All right, I mean,
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pretty softball question, I thought, God bless I don't even
know what the problem was. I'll be honest, I kind
of stumbled the question out. How many books have you sold? Today?
Clearly Joel didn't want to give me anything besides an
opportunity to buy his newest book. So I headed to
the River Church in Tampa, Florida that claims to be
able to perform miracles and heal things like cancer, AIDS, blindness, deafness, Alzheimer's,
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and anything else you can think of.
Speaker 10 (13:53):
I see you follow the life of God.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I see you.
Speaker 10 (13:57):
Oh, I see your bank.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
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Speaker 10 (15:09):
Back to church.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
This man claims to be able to perform healing miracles.
I have chronic neck, back pain, receding hairline, and a rectile.
This function. Let's see if you can cure me and
anyone else who's attending.
Speaker 9 (15:24):
How are you good?
Speaker 10 (15:25):
To meet you?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Tyler? Are in the right spot the healing school? Yeah?
Speaker 17 (15:29):
Okay, are you guys, Yeah, right, sure, Okay, so this
is your first day, first time, yeah, first day, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
All right, so you're gonna hold this chick.
Speaker 10 (15:40):
Okay, okay, right here, yeah, sorry, I'm bat pasture a
little bit of neck pain.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
Get ready?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
All right?
Speaker 9 (15:54):
Thank you appreciate that.
Speaker 10 (15:55):
That's why we're here.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Before we hear the healing schools pasture list miracles he's
performed so like making a young boy's actual regenerate. I
want to introduce you to a few people whose families
were torn apart by the Prosperity Gospel and the Word
of Faith movement.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
I was raised in the Pentecostal faith or Charismatic My
dad's a Pentecostal evangelist.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
He was come up in the.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Church of God originally when we first started out and
traveled all around sent tents and in churches and auditoriums
and things. Around twenty twenty, I left that ministry and
came here to this church and it's been full time
here ever since I have.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
My name is Daniel Chapman. I was in the Word
of Faith theology for over twenty three years, and that
theology is built up a lot of the prosperity gospel,
healing theology, deliverance theology, and I left that theology about
five six years ago.
Speaker 18 (16:43):
Yeah, I was born into it. I in my whole
life was in like a Pentecostal church, and so I
think that naturally segues, you know, eventually into like Word.
Speaker 19 (16:54):
Of faith from myself. I remember as a kid, We're
going to probably more of a Baptist style church, and
then just seeing the Word of faith or creeping in.
I wasn't probably fully immersed in it until Melanie were
married and I joined her church a little bit about
twenty years ago.
Speaker 10 (17:12):
Gospel power is for you.
Speaker 14 (17:14):
Oh, you don't have to come in here worried, anxious, wondering.
Speaker 10 (17:18):
The power of God is for you. All the resurrection power.
Speaker 14 (17:22):
Oh that was made a vapor, but God raised, Jesus
showna dead.
Speaker 10 (17:25):
Oh he's got digestion. Heman power for you.
Speaker 16 (17:28):
He'll take out shelfish allergies, penue allergies.
Speaker 9 (17:31):
We allergies.
Speaker 16 (17:32):
We did intalerance, fluted intolerance, dairy intolerance, hands and feet,
and the Lord.
Speaker 10 (17:36):
Heals you to this.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Explain what is the prosperity gospel for dummies?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
So it is the belief completely unbiblically founded that as Christians,
we are supposed to prosper in every single facet of
our lives. Our health is supposed to prosper We're always
supposed to be well, We're always supposed to be healed.
We're supposed to be prosperous in the literal sense of
finances drove.
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You to leave your father's church.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
My biggest problem that I that I ended up having
was I never really opened the Bible for myself a
whole lot. I was raised to listen to the Man
of God, and he had all the answers, and I
always lose the Man of God, so in this case
would be my father. My dad preaches Simis's perfection, which
is an even more extreme version of Pentecostal doctrine, whereas
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you can't send ever or you're at risk of damnation.
Some of the major things that they teach that I
don't believe anymore is the prosperity Gospel, the Word of
Faith doctrine, and these are all doctrines that are prevalent
in most, if not all, Pentecostal church.
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It took an event with the Word open and conviction
from the Word to go something really isn't right here,
because so it sent us both quickly down this path
of what is actually true.
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I know the exceeding greatness of the power, all the
resurrection life in Jesus Christ, when God raised him from
the dead.
Speaker 10 (19:07):
That powers for.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
You, because I was scared for my soul, because now
I'm hearing from my dead, I'm going to Hell. I'm
not under his anointing, his protection. I'm not tithing to
him anymore or God's covering or protection. I'm right now,
according to them, out from underneath God's protection. And this
is what happens when preachers put themselves on the level
of God, when they call themselves christ ones or little Gods,
or little Messiah's Benny hen K Copeland, just the planets.
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They all use these kinds of term.
Speaker 18 (19:35):
You know, I would say, like, as fantastical and crazy
as this, you know these stories are, But there are
people that that we love so much, And I would
say that this theology has wreek a havoc on our
lives and in our relationships and our families. The God
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of the Bible and Christians who adhere to God's word
as their standard would never treat people this way.
Speaker 14 (20:05):
We're not meant to struggle through life, the Bible says,
but God didn't redeem us and save us so we
could be oppressed and pushed around and tormented.
Speaker 10 (20:16):
God called us to walk in victory.
Speaker 14 (20:18):
And it's important on what you listen to and who
you listen to.
Speaker 16 (20:21):
Some preachers, some churches you go to, they'll preach life
is difficult, we always go through challenges. Try to have
a good attitude because help will come eventually. And so
it's all about our behavior and society, which I'm not
taking away from that.
Speaker 10 (20:33):
The Bible does talk about loving your neighbor, but that's
not the whole gospel.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
How much of these misunderstandings, in your opinion, stem from
biblical illiteracy.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Massive amounts we had discussed earlier. A lot of people
that are skeptic of the Christian faith can easily say, well,
Christians don't even read their Bible, and I'm sure many
Christians have even heard that, and speaking as a Christian myself,
it is more true than you would think. The difference
from true Biblical Christianity is the ability to handle the
text in context, to rightly divide the Word of God
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and understanding exactly what it's talking about because these word
of faith and nar belief sets are built completely on lies.
And first Peter two twenty four makes it very clear
that we are healed of sin, sickness, that is what
we are healed off. That we are absolved of our
sin before God because of Christ's work. You know, we
haven't received our glorifying bodies yet. We await an inheritance upstairs.
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So these bodies will decay and fall away. So for
somebody to make millions upon million telling people why you
don't have enough faith for healing, give me some money,
buy my books, but also has a pacemaker, is super
super rich and people are dying all around him.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
For one thing. Like I said, it takes God out
of the equation in a lot of your things. You
don't have the relationship with God. It's all about you.
How big is your faith? How much have you prayed
so you can build up your faith and you can
have this power. One of the biggest things about this
is it's a faith It's a literal faith killer. When
you are praying. Let's say you have a daughter or
a son that's going through a horrible deal. You have
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this pastor, so called pastor saying you.
Speaker 20 (22:02):
Could speak it speak, it speak it speak it speak what.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
You want and it will be done. If you have
the faith, it'll be done. And you truly have faith,
you truly believe what the pastor's telling you, truly pray
with true faith, and it never happens. Where does that
put you in your faith? My big downfall was laziness,
spiritual laziness. Like I said earlier, he was my spiritual
mentor and I just kind of listened to his preaching.
I heard his preaching several days a week my entire life,
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and it was a lazy excuse that got me into
forty years of trouble.
Speaker 18 (22:29):
It's family. I love these people and no matter what,
we don't agree on a lot of things biblically, but
I love them through my family and it breaks my heart.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
We had some being miracles in a here.
Speaker 16 (22:42):
I told you about the guy who had the colon
and was using the vacuum in the.
Speaker 10 (22:46):
Bag and then the power got touches.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
The next day the Lord reround gave him a miracle.
Speaker 10 (22:51):
And he's using a mathu d.
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It was another guy, okay, his name was Scott, who's holeless.
Speaker 20 (22:56):
He had been in Baxlent he'd have diabetes, you'd have
toes in amputated.
Speaker 10 (23:00):
His body was just.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Week we and he'd heard about heating school.
Speaker 20 (23:04):
So he pulled himself in his weak stay out of
his wheelchair, get into his bike and rode five miles
to give here.
Speaker 9 (23:11):
And the Lord helped and he made.
Speaker 10 (23:12):
It so he was out of the wheelchair and he.
Speaker 20 (23:14):
Was bike Like the Lord's strengthened because he just said,
I need help.
Speaker 10 (23:18):
It was almost like his body was so messed up
that he was just like, Lord, you gotta do something.
Speaker 14 (23:22):
On his one foot, they had cut off a couple
of toes, and then Baba State had severed attended.
Speaker 16 (23:27):
And then on the other foot, they took off a
couple of toes and they had to removed the bone
that went down the part of the foot.
Speaker 10 (23:33):
This is what he said later while he's telling the testimony.
He said, the power of God came.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
Into his foot. He felt his foot start burned.
Speaker 20 (23:38):
He went back to the seat and the Lord said,
checked your foot.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Well.
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When he went to do it, it was all The
Lord grew a bole and his food.
Speaker 9 (23:46):
Was a creative.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
The people that are oftentimes the easiest to deceive are
the ones with the best intentions. These people are so
often victimized. They're innocent, they're lovely people, and they go
into these churches wanting to find God, wanting to find community,
and they're perfect victims for people to say, Oh, well,
I see that your uncle has cancer, and you know
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how you deal with that. You give a little money
into the tithe bucket. That's you know, before you know it,
they don't know any better. Healing theology is probably the
most disgusting version of Christianity out there that I see,
because you see people dying literally, because you see people
stop taking their medications, giving away all their money, giving
away their estates because they're desperate, because they just don't
want to die from terminal cancer.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
My knees hurt, right me be healed, be healed, and
I command healing to my knee right now in use.
Speaker 10 (24:32):
Name like whipping God in the shape.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
Right.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
It's like you're you're gonna jerk him over here and
be like, heal that?
Speaker 15 (24:38):
Are you?
Speaker 7 (24:39):
Who do you think you are? I don't believe that
God doesn't work miracles. I still I just don't believe
that there are men or women out there that have
the ability, like a superhero to just go on command,
touch somebody and heal them. That's God's sovereign will and
we are to ask for that and he can do
it if he so chooses.
Speaker 19 (24:54):
You got to consider though, too, when they're broken emotionally.
These types of church go after him when they come
through their lists love.
Speaker 18 (25:03):
Bombing, they're an addict or something, and they're just like
desperate for anything to work, and they're gonna give you
things to do and give you a lot of false hope.
I would say, because there's gonna be these fantastical stories
that I had, these visions I have. You know they'll
and they'll begin to there's a healing presence right now.
You have an ailment, come be always in God's presence.
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A more you come being in God's presence than you
can be healed.
Speaker 10 (25:30):
This guy never testified, but I like to tell this testimony.
Speaker 16 (25:33):
When he was thirteen years old and he had been
born without a butthole.
Speaker 20 (25:38):
At birth, they have to do a surgery to eate
one for it. But he never had muscles to control
his boundary. So everything works, but he didn't control it.
So he's thirteen and he's going to divert.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
His whole life.
Speaker 20 (25:50):
Well, they came for healing the school and they went
into their one on one with the pastor Shannon.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Pstor Shannon heard the.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
Situation praying for him.
Speaker 20 (25:58):
The next morning he woke up, he said, for the
first time, I was able to control my mound.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
With the bellow. Lord put muscles in for him.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
I won't make a thing come, I promise you. Oh,
He's got resurrection. How out for you right now on
this Wednesday? Oh h he Jesus day.
Speaker 21 (26:19):
Oh, I see your bank account even overflowing.
Speaker 10 (26:23):
Oh, I see the bank telling it you gotta so
we're too small for a bank to handle a little transactions.
I see you rob of God's healing. We had a
young man come to healing school.
Speaker 16 (26:36):
He'd never been a believer, and then he's like, I
need to come to church.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
So he comes to church and he gives his life
to the Lord.
Speaker 16 (26:41):
He receives Jesus Sunday, comes back the next week, gets
water baptized, and then here's about heating school.
Speaker 10 (26:47):
So then he shows up. He's been born again for
like two weeks. So one day he's like, oh, I
gotta go to the doctor.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
I gotta go get another blood test.
Speaker 20 (26:54):
I'm like listen, cancel next and come and stay, come
and be in eating.
Speaker 10 (26:58):
School to let the Lord touch. And he sat down,
and then I prayed for him and I cursed.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
I cursed as fill as he's in the blood.
Speaker 20 (27:04):
I cursed this thing of Jesus in you know, he
went back and got a bless us while the session
was going on, and there was no more STV.
Speaker 21 (27:13):
Life in your marriage life, and your body, life, in
your finances, life, in your job life, and your attitude
life in your job, you will ask definitely walked andything
done for you.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
One more time. Want to lift those hands. Thank you.
Speaker 21 (27:32):
You've been taking out today by your faith.
Speaker 10 (27:36):
You can take it.
Speaker 21 (27:37):
You can reach out and you can receive by your
faith reach out ever received by your face.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Left.
Speaker 9 (27:48):
My mom left, sayesn't you she was here for a while.
If you saw the woman and I hugged in the path, that.
Speaker 10 (27:52):
Wasn't my mom said.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
The woman I pissed on the head and someone made
clear was married to one woman, when that was my mom's.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Your mom should be sickened by you. You're a false charlatan,
you're a scammer, you're a liar. He's gonna get some
of you killed. If someone you knew were to ambush
Benny Hin at one of his spiritual conferences, like you,
what would you ask him?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I would want him to give me a representation of
the Gospela. A lot of these people I don't believe
can give a heart convicting truly biblical, accurate representation of
the Gospel.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
All right, Daniel, time to go ask Benny for some answers.
Best of lex, he's a liar aw security. You guys
are gonna get killed by his false teachers.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
Not quick.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
After trying to warn the sick people there of this
charlatan claiming to heal their illness, after buying a ninety
nine dollars ticket to the spirit Life Conference, I headed
to Chicago, Illinois to meet their guest speaker, Benny Hid.
Where Chicago windstorm is approaching. It is time for Benny's
judgment for real quick.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I'd be like going down the road.
Speaker 10 (28:52):
You fuck it.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
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Speaker 10 (29:15):
Goss people said on that you may be seated.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the world.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I know.
Speaker 9 (29:43):
How the man out.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
It's all right, no problems, all right, brother, calm down.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Well, I was getting the George Floyd treatment, fighting for
each breath. My cameraman ran for his life to avoid
a similar fate.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So we're gonna get into the scriptures, can we do
that now?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Only to get captured and beaten with his own camera.
Speaker 10 (30:11):
I was hit twice.
Speaker 22 (30:15):
I was hit twice with a golf cart, assaulted by
a person here. Then he tackled me and threw me
into the middle of a ractive road. And after that
they get beating my head, and then they grabbed my
camera and they were trying to delete the footage.
Speaker 17 (30:31):
Actively I just got hog tied, body slammed and tackled.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Pasha went running and apparently they clipped him with a.
Speaker 17 (30:37):
Golf cart and proceeded to beat his head in and
delete the footage.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
So things are not looking good.
Speaker 17 (30:42):
We are headed to the hospital right now where he
is and to make sure he's alive. Apparently they deleted
all the footage from the camera, so it's gone.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I've been trespassed. I'm headed to the hospital making sure
Pasha is alive. In an ironic twist of fate, the
church themselves beat the us from what it sounds like,
beat the shadow. So were the check in?
Speaker 9 (31:02):
I think temperate? Was video? What do they do? Ray
a golf course twice to die today?
Speaker 10 (31:16):
Roadway? Keeping my head like four or five people want me?
Speaker 9 (31:22):
Yeah, bet my head, ankles, knees.
Speaker 22 (31:24):
They hit my head with the camera.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Shout out the son of Bishop Dan Willis, off duty
cop Chad Willis for throwing me around like a rag
doll with his goon squad and given me the George
Floyd choked down and shout out this bald security schmuck
for trying to murder Pasha with a golf cart. This
video is by no means meant to be an attack
on faith, but rather a demand for accountability to those
who distort the word of the Bible for date on
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the biblically illiterate, desperate, naive, and poor to make themselves wealthy.
And in the words of Matthew seven point fifteen, beware
of the false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing,
but in inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
What they do is scriptural macaroni. So they'll grab a
verse here, a verse here, in a verse here, and
throw those all together and be like, see, if we
make that soup, that's who I am. So for example,
in Genesis too, it says we shall make them in
the image of God. So the creation of us. Big
issue that we have there is that they leave out.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Likeness, not exact replica one for one.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
But we're not like a clone or anything. We are
like God. We have the image of God.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
It's so clear if you just read it for yourself
without somebody else twisting it, without somebody's chirpicking one little
verse out of its context and holding it against you,
and realize that, hey, they've been lying to me the
whole time.
Speaker 18 (32:37):
God he is big enough and more than capable of
communicating what he wants us to know. Go back and
look exactly at what he said.
That's me confronting the sixty million dollar televangelist Benny Hint.
Benny Hint is a false poppet. Thank you. It's than
a seven.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We're going to get into the scriptures. Can we do
that now?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
He lives in a ten million dollar mansion, bought a
private jet with donations from the church goers, has made
as riches by claiming to perform miracles, healing divi and
by preaching the prosperity Gospel, basically the idea that the
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more money you give to God, the more money God
gives to you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Are you facing a financial difficulty right now? There's only
one way out of it. Give to the Lord. Even
that little you have left, give it to God.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
The only problem is your money goes straight to Benny's
bank account, while your wallet gets a prayer.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
He told me that my vision would be twenty twenty,
if not better.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
A couple hours later, it's just like now I can't
see the TV. And Benny's not the only one who's
made millions preaching the prosperity Gospel to desperate people in
need of a miracle. So I have a question for you.
Do you think you've used the Lord's ward it's a profit.
Let's begin our investigation into the world of false prophets
at Kenneth Copeland's church.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
He made that airplane so cheap for me, I couldn't
help it buy it.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Perhaps the scariest and richest pastor in the world. I
am a rich Jew. Back by Richard Jew. I pulled
up myself to see what is church actually believes it
not a ton of people here right now and Israel flag.
Of course, I don't know anymore. Here's the thing about
these places, They're all so nice. You feel bad coming
in even asking questions because they're all so sweet to you.
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We're gona hop out go to church, give some money
to God, and hopefully at ten ax is like crypto.
What does some people misunderstand about the prosperity gospel.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
I think they misunderstand the fact that in order for
God to be able to accomplish what he wants to
accomplish in the world and through his people and with
his people and to those that don't know him, it
takes finances to do that.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Money makes this world go around.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
Absolutely, Prosperity is an all inclusive term. It's not about
getting rich quick or anything like that. But having the
kind of life that God would have you to live
like Abraham, and Genesis thirteen to two says he was
very rich in cattle, silver, and gold, which was what
he needed. He had to quite a mariage pass on
to others. But whatever it is, we pass that alonge, yes.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Sir, And how you doing, sir. We're doing a little
interview right now.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Okay, this is private property. You're not allowed to do that.
So I've got the place right here.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Why do you think people from the outside are so
critical of the concept of the church having money or
using money to sort of propagate or bring more people
into the church.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
It's been some of the misuses and the abuses of
the past that have not been godly.
Speaker 7 (02:58):
Certainly, I believe in the prosperity gospel because that's what
Jesus preached, prosperity.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
In health, mind, sol finances.
Speaker 8 (03:06):
So the whole Bible, the whole Gospel is prosperity.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Ken God's will be accomplished without money.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Do you think, well, finances is the fuel. Anything doesn't
work in this world unless you have some financial basis
to work from. None of this would be here unless
there was a financial base.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Oh, I had it inside to see what the fuss
was all about. Would this somehow be a misunderstood church
with a lead pastor that happens to be worth hundreds
of millions of dollars. As I entered the church doors,
the first thing I noticed was Kenneth Copeland's store selling
everything you could think of and the Bible somewhere.
Speaker 9 (03:40):
That's fine, that's got approved.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Hap After purchasing a thirty eight dollars Copeland hat it
was time to go to church and listen to what
they had to say.
Speaker 9 (03:49):
If we don't have to do a.
Speaker 8 (03:50):
Whole lot of deep dig in the scripture to just
find that from the Bible, from the word of God,
his will for you is that you prosper about Abraham
in Genesis chapter twelve, and starting just chapter twelve and on,
the very first thing that God did to ratify the
blessing on a Brahm's life was he brought.
Speaker 9 (04:07):
Him out and he made him rich.
Speaker 8 (04:09):
And Church, I'm here to announce to you today he's
still bringing us out and he's still making us rich.
He's still bringing us out and he's still making us rich.
Speaker 10 (04:18):
He will deliver you. He will set you on high
because you've known his name. When you call upon him,
he will answer you.
Speaker 8 (04:27):
He will be with you in trouble, and he always
intends to bring you out. Says he's trying to get
something from you. But because he's trying to get something
to you, he says, be a giver. Why, Because I'm
a giver, So I want you to be a giver.
Therefore you step into the company. So this morning you
get an opportunity to exercise on Mother's Day what your
mother would say.
Speaker 9 (04:48):
Do what you've been told.
Speaker 8 (04:50):
God wants to bless you, So step into the blessing. Amen.
So if you're giving this morning, you can make your
checks payable to em I C for cash, credit or giving.
There's an envelope on the seat back in front of you.
You will populate there. Or you can text to give.
This is one of our most popular ways. You can
text three six six h nine. Have your Mother's Day
and ushers with the people already, you can wait on
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the people praise God.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
As the ushers collected donations, I was happy to learn
they also accepted credit card, but was surprised they didn't
take crypto. But as the sermon began, I learned that
a lot of this church's message was to basically claim
blessings from God, and if you had enough faith, your
life would be blessed. And if you didn't receive a blessing,
it was because you didn't have enough faith.
Speaker 8 (05:35):
You know, Sister Gloria really has taught us so much
about what it means to apply the principles of prosperity
that we find in the Word of God.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
And the words prosperity and faith were repeatedly emphasized throughout
the sermon, sort of like we were casting a spell
upon ourselves.
Speaker 8 (05:51):
Brother Copeland has taught this statement and that is this
faith begins where the will of God is known.
Speaker 9 (05:59):
And there may be those of you who have never
heard this before.
Speaker 8 (06:01):
God's will is for you to walk in prosperity. Third John,
chapter one, verse two says, beloved, I pray that you
may prosper in every way. Say every way, So prosperity
is God's will for you. The issue is is sometimes
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when we hear prosperity if we take money, but that
is a limited view of what prosperity is.
Speaker 10 (06:27):
It includes your money, but it also includes your marriage.
Speaker 8 (06:31):
It includes your family, God, it includes our finances.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Amen, my interpretation of the sermon is that God is
like a miracle machine where I can will miracles into
my life and if I give him my faith and money,
he will give me whatever I desire. Ultimately, God is
there to make my life amazing. And after a sprinkle
of sermon, this church began plugging harder than most YouTubers.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
And in addition, for the people in the room at
the Word Works Books where we have a Mother's Day
sale going on special eyes. I don't you see their
special line observed of fifty percent off and everything is
up to twenty percent off so you can celebrate the
mothers in your life with.
Speaker 9 (07:08):
A special gift today. So again, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Mom.
Speaker 9 (07:11):
We honor you and we are so grateful for you.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
As this old man began preaching, it was clear that
Kenneth was nowhere to be found and was probably taking
a nap in his mansion on the property right next
to his private jet. Oh. I drove south to Houston
to confront the next biggest prosperity pastor I could think of,
Joel Ostein. You may have seen Joel on the news
seven years ago after Hurricane Harvey ravaged the city of Houston.
Speaker 11 (07:35):
Television pastor Joel Ostein is speaking out this morning, answering
critics who say he waited too long to open his
Houston megachurch to flood victims. The building, once a sixteen
thousand seat arena, is now filling up with volunteers, supplies,
and evacuees. But that didn't happen until yesterday.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
From what I've seen, he's almost like a motivational speaker
who has co opted God and Jesus as his mascots
to make money. I went to go see for myself.
Faster is Joel of Victoria hosting? This is no longer
a humble carpenter preaching the gospel here. This is an
industrial corporate entity bringing in almost one hundred million dollars
a year. What are your thoughts on Joel Osteing being
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super rich as a pastor. I don't.
Speaker 12 (08:15):
I don't think it's ethical. I don't believe like super
rich people should exist in general. I think especially in
the context of religion and you know, the communities that
they supposedly drive and support. As far as having religion
be the basis of your own way to get there
is extremely I guess hypocritical. You know they're these uh
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self proclaimed middlemen between God and the people, and they
definitely use it to their advantage.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Unfortunately, it was time to enter the church and see
what their service even looked like.
Speaker 9 (08:47):
So he does the meet and greed on the siccond floor.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay, before we attended service, I went upstairs to explore
Joel's massive bookstore to see his latest product line. With
so many products lining the shelves here besides the Bible,
and with Joel's face plastered around the church like that
of Jesus himself, he's got a lot of books his
latest book. One has to wonder if Joel uses his
church's estimated ninety million dollar annual budget and his mega
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church has a massive marketing machine to sell as many
books as possible. But if the Bible is the true
word of God, why would one need any of the
countless books written by Joel. There's so many books here
you couldn't even read them all. It's like they have
a metro left to the church. That's crazy. It's just huge.
But it's a massive auditorium. As I took one of
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the sixteen thousand available seats here in the largest church
in America. After a digital greeting from Joel.
Speaker 9 (09:38):
We're so gless to have you.
Speaker 13 (09:40):
Always a joy to come into your homes.
Speaker 10 (09:42):
We just feel.
Speaker 9 (09:43):
Blassed and honored.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Sunday service had begun and then the hype man himself
had entered the building ready to preach.
Speaker 13 (10:07):
The Lord God fear good all about so long to
ever hear the person.
Speaker 14 (10:13):
And I know we have some of our homecoming weekend
crowd with us as well, so.
Speaker 9 (10:22):
I hope right now, but you just realize that God
has smiled hell on you.
Speaker 13 (10:26):
He's got great pace in store for each one of us.
Speaker 10 (10:29):
And we wouldn't be alive unless God had greater.
Speaker 9 (10:32):
Pictures up in store.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And I won't lie. The energy in here was contagious
and it was easy to feel fuzzy inside.
Speaker 13 (10:40):
It take a moment to worship the Lord.
Speaker 15 (10:46):
With our ties and our offerings, we want to paint
you for your generosity and your donations.
Speaker 9 (10:52):
Together, we're impacting.
Speaker 15 (10:53):
People with home from the love of Christ all over
the world.
Speaker 13 (10:57):
Proverbs eighteen says, when you get it can open doors.
That's what we're believing for you, among other things, that
in twenty twenty four you're gonna see God open some
doors that you could open.
Speaker 15 (11:09):
On your own. That happens when you're when you're faithful,
when you are God with your life, with your decision,
and of course with your funds as well.
Speaker 9 (11:16):
And that's what you guys do every week. So's get
that down in your sphere.
Speaker 15 (11:20):
God can open doors that no person can shoot in
your business and your finances.
Speaker 10 (11:25):
They tech me good here and for your children, for
the schools they need to go through the clothing.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But did the attendance come here to worship God or
to get a motivational speech from Joel and a blessing
from God? But of course, no matter how charismatic Joel
was or how blessed his hairline is, his church preaches
that the more faith and money I give to God,
the more blessed my life is. And at the end
of the day, financially giving to God or rather Joel's
church is essential to open doors that are impossible to
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open on my own. And this sales pitch works luckily
for me. There was a meet and greet with Joel
right after service. People are any prosperities to come. What
you giveth you may receive it in ten times. That's
the hope. At the very least, I mean, I guess
I have a few basic questions, but I really want
to know what is the justification for the belief in
that giving to God is required for God to bless you?
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And of course, has Joel himself profited off of God's
word to enrich himself? Amon, Joel, let us in let
us please please God, please please fur us one more,
please please please here, please man.
Speaker 10 (12:27):
Certain time.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
We do have books that are already signed that please
this close. Oh yes, I need a promise. All right,
you gotta go quick, Billy Dolly.
Speaker 16 (12:41):
They'll start a story with when I was five.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Okay, okay, thank you so much. Thank you, Joel. How
you doing, I'm doing good? Could you sign my book?
All right? Thank you so much, thank you. I'm from Austin, Texas. Joel,
I have a question for you. Do you think you've
used the word the Lord's word? It's a prophet like
grossly you have just do you think you distorted the
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Lord's word to make money? Appreciate you. I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry. Yes, ma'am, I asked you not to do that.
And the obedience of God. He is a blessing and
you're here, and we asked you not to do it,
and you still did that. Okay, cool, God bless you,
God bless you, God bless you. All right, I mean,
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pretty softball question, I thought, God bless I don't even
know what the problem was. I'll be honest, I kind
of stumbled the question out. How many books have you sold? Today?
Clearly Joel didn't want to give me anything besides an
opportunity to buy his newest book. So I headed to
the River Church in Tampa, Florida that claims to be
able to perform miracles and heal things like cancer, AIDS, blindness, deafness, Alzheimer's,
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and anything else you can think of.
Speaker 10 (13:53):
I see you follow the life of God.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I see you.
Speaker 10 (13:57):
Oh, I see your bank.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
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Speaker 10 (15:09):
Back to church.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
This man claims to be able to perform healing miracles.
I have chronic neck, back pain, receding hairline, and a rectile.
This function. Let's see if you can cure me and
anyone else who's attending.
Speaker 9 (15:24):
How are you good?
Speaker 10 (15:25):
To meet you?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Tyler? Are in the right spot the healing school? Yeah?
Speaker 17 (15:29):
Okay, are you guys, Yeah, right, sure, Okay, so this
is your first day, first time, yeah, first day, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
All right, so you're gonna hold this chick.
Speaker 10 (15:40):
Okay, okay, right here, yeah, sorry, I'm bat pasture a
little bit of neck pain.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
Get ready?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
All right?
Speaker 9 (15:54):
Thank you appreciate that.
Speaker 10 (15:55):
That's why we're here.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Before we hear the healing schools pasture list miracles he's
performed so like making a young boy's actual regenerate. I
want to introduce you to a few people whose families
were torn apart by the Prosperity Gospel and the Word
of Faith movement.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
I was raised in the Pentecostal faith or Charismatic My
dad's a Pentecostal evangelist.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
He was come up in the.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Church of God originally when we first started out and
traveled all around sent tents and in churches and auditoriums
and things. Around twenty twenty, I left that ministry and
came here to this church and it's been full time
here ever since I have.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
My name is Daniel Chapman. I was in the Word
of Faith theology for over twenty three years, and that
theology is built up a lot of the prosperity gospel,
healing theology, deliverance theology, and I left that theology about
five six years ago.
Speaker 18 (16:43):
Yeah, I was born into it. I in my whole
life was in like a Pentecostal church, and so I
think that naturally segues, you know, eventually into like Word.
Speaker 19 (16:54):
Of faith from myself. I remember as a kid, We're
going to probably more of a Baptist style church, and
then just seeing the Word of faith or creeping in.
I wasn't probably fully immersed in it until Melanie were
married and I joined her church a little bit about
twenty years ago.
Speaker 10 (17:12):
Gospel power is for you.
Speaker 14 (17:14):
Oh, you don't have to come in here worried, anxious, wondering.
Speaker 10 (17:18):
The power of God is for you. All the resurrection power.
Speaker 14 (17:22):
Oh that was made a vapor, but God raised, Jesus
showna dead.
Speaker 10 (17:25):
Oh he's got digestion. Heman power for you.
Speaker 16 (17:28):
He'll take out shelfish allergies, penue allergies.
Speaker 9 (17:31):
We allergies.
Speaker 16 (17:32):
We did intalerance, fluted intolerance, dairy intolerance, hands and feet,
and the Lord.
Speaker 10 (17:36):
Heals you to this.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Explain what is the prosperity gospel for dummies?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
So it is the belief completely unbiblically founded that as Christians,
we are supposed to prosper in every single facet of
our lives. Our health is supposed to prosper We're always
supposed to be well, We're always supposed to be healed.
We're supposed to be prosperous in the literal sense of
finances drove.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
You to leave your father's church.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
My biggest problem that I that I ended up having
was I never really opened the Bible for myself a
whole lot. I was raised to listen to the Man
of God, and he had all the answers, and I
always lose the Man of God, so in this case
would be my father. My dad preaches Simis's perfection, which
is an even more extreme version of Pentecostal doctrine, whereas
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you can't send ever or you're at risk of damnation.
Some of the major things that they teach that I
don't believe anymore is the prosperity Gospel, the Word of
Faith doctrine, and these are all doctrines that are prevalent
in most, if not all, Pentecostal church.
Speaker 19 (18:43):
It took an event with the Word open and conviction
from the Word to go something really isn't right here,
because so it sent us both quickly down this path
of what is actually true.
Speaker 14 (19:00):
I know the exceeding greatness of the power, all the
resurrection life in Jesus Christ, when God raised him from
the dead.
Speaker 10 (19:07):
That powers for.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
You, because I was scared for my soul, because now
I'm hearing from my dead, I'm going to Hell. I'm
not under his anointing, his protection. I'm not tithing to
him anymore or God's covering or protection. I'm right now,
according to them, out from underneath God's protection. And this
is what happens when preachers put themselves on the level
of God, when they call themselves christ ones or little Gods,
or little Messiah's Benny hen K Copeland, just the planets.
(19:33):
They all use these kinds of term.
Speaker 18 (19:35):
You know, I would say, like, as fantastical and crazy
as this, you know these stories are, But there are
people that that we love so much, And I would
say that this theology has wreek a havoc on our
lives and in our relationships and our families. The God
(19:55):
of the Bible and Christians who adhere to God's word
as their standard would never treat people this way.
Speaker 14 (20:05):
We're not meant to struggle through life, the Bible says,
but God didn't redeem us and save us so we
could be oppressed and pushed around and tormented.
Speaker 10 (20:16):
God called us to walk in victory.
Speaker 14 (20:18):
And it's important on what you listen to and who
you listen to.
Speaker 16 (20:21):
Some preachers, some churches you go to, they'll preach life
is difficult, we always go through challenges. Try to have
a good attitude because help will come eventually. And so
it's all about our behavior and society, which I'm not
taking away from that.
Speaker 10 (20:33):
The Bible does talk about loving your neighbor, but that's
not the whole gospel.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
How much of these misunderstandings, in your opinion, stem from
biblical illiteracy.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Massive amounts we had discussed earlier. A lot of people
that are skeptic of the Christian faith can easily say, well,
Christians don't even read their Bible, and I'm sure many
Christians have even heard that, and speaking as a Christian myself,
it is more true than you would think. The difference
from true Biblical Christianity is the ability to handle the
text in context, to rightly divide the Word of God
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and understanding exactly what it's talking about because these word
of faith and nar belief sets are built completely on lies.
And first Peter two twenty four makes it very clear
that we are healed of sin, sickness, that is what
we are healed off. That we are absolved of our
sin before God because of Christ's work. You know, we
haven't received our glorifying bodies yet. We await an inheritance upstairs.
(21:28):
So these bodies will decay and fall away. So for
somebody to make millions upon million telling people why you
don't have enough faith for healing, give me some money,
buy my books, but also has a pacemaker, is super
super rich and people are dying all around him.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
For one thing. Like I said, it takes God out
of the equation in a lot of your things. You
don't have the relationship with God. It's all about you.
How big is your faith? How much have you prayed
so you can build up your faith and you can
have this power. One of the biggest things about this
is it's a faith It's a literal faith killer. When
you are praying. Let's say you have a daughter or
a son that's going through a horrible deal. You have
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this pastor, so called pastor saying you.
Speaker 20 (22:02):
Could speak it speak, it speak it speak it speak what.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
You want and it will be done. If you have
the faith, it'll be done. And you truly have faith,
you truly believe what the pastor's telling you, truly pray
with true faith, and it never happens. Where does that
put you in your faith? My big downfall was laziness,
spiritual laziness. Like I said earlier, he was my spiritual
mentor and I just kind of listened to his preaching.
I heard his preaching several days a week my entire life,
(22:25):
and it was a lazy excuse that got me into
forty years of trouble.
Speaker 18 (22:29):
It's family. I love these people and no matter what,
we don't agree on a lot of things biblically, but
I love them through my family and it breaks my heart.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
We had some being miracles in a here.
Speaker 16 (22:42):
I told you about the guy who had the colon
and was using the vacuum in the.
Speaker 10 (22:46):
Bag and then the power got touches.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
The next day the Lord reround gave him a miracle.
Speaker 10 (22:51):
And he's using a mathu d.
Speaker 16 (22:53):
It was another guy, okay, his name was Scott, who's holeless.
Speaker 20 (22:56):
He had been in Baxlent he'd have diabetes, you'd have
toes in amputated.
Speaker 10 (23:00):
His body was just.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
Week we and he'd heard about heating school.
Speaker 20 (23:04):
So he pulled himself in his weak stay out of
his wheelchair, get into his bike and rode five miles
to give here.
Speaker 9 (23:11):
And the Lord helped and he made.
Speaker 10 (23:12):
It so he was out of the wheelchair and he.
Speaker 20 (23:14):
Was bike Like the Lord's strengthened because he just said,
I need help.
Speaker 10 (23:18):
It was almost like his body was so messed up
that he was just like, Lord, you gotta do something.
Speaker 14 (23:22):
On his one foot, they had cut off a couple
of toes, and then Baba State had severed attended.
Speaker 16 (23:27):
And then on the other foot, they took off a
couple of toes and they had to removed the bone
that went down the part of the foot.
Speaker 10 (23:33):
This is what he said later while he's telling the testimony.
He said, the power of God came.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
Into his foot. He felt his foot start burned.
Speaker 20 (23:38):
He went back to the seat and the Lord said,
checked your foot.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Well.
Speaker 16 (23:41):
When he went to do it, it was all The
Lord grew a bole and his food.
Speaker 9 (23:46):
Was a creative.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
The people that are oftentimes the easiest to deceive are
the ones with the best intentions. These people are so
often victimized. They're innocent, they're lovely people, and they go
into these churches wanting to find God, wanting to find community,
and they're perfect victims for people to say, Oh, well,
I see that your uncle has cancer, and you know
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how you deal with that. You give a little money
into the tithe bucket. That's you know, before you know it,
they don't know any better. Healing theology is probably the
most disgusting version of Christianity out there that I see,
because you see people dying literally, because you see people
stop taking their medications, giving away all their money, giving
away their estates because they're desperate, because they just don't
want to die from terminal cancer.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
My knees hurt, right me be healed, be healed, and
I command healing to my knee right now in use.
Speaker 10 (24:32):
Name like whipping God in the shape.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
Right.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
It's like you're you're gonna jerk him over here and
be like, heal that?
Speaker 15 (24:38):
Are you?
Speaker 7 (24:39):
Who do you think you are? I don't believe that
God doesn't work miracles. I still I just don't believe
that there are men or women out there that have
the ability, like a superhero to just go on command,
touch somebody and heal them. That's God's sovereign will and
we are to ask for that and he can do
it if he so chooses.
Speaker 19 (24:54):
You got to consider though, too, when they're broken emotionally.
These types of church go after him when they come
through their lists love.
Speaker 18 (25:03):
Bombing, they're an addict or something, and they're just like
desperate for anything to work, and they're gonna give you
things to do and give you a lot of false hope.
I would say, because there's gonna be these fantastical stories
that I had, these visions I have. You know they'll
and they'll begin to there's a healing presence right now.
You have an ailment, come be always in God's presence.
(25:26):
A more you come being in God's presence than you
can be healed.
Speaker 10 (25:30):
This guy never testified, but I like to tell this testimony.
Speaker 16 (25:33):
When he was thirteen years old and he had been
born without a butthole.
Speaker 20 (25:38):
At birth, they have to do a surgery to eate
one for it. But he never had muscles to control
his boundary. So everything works, but he didn't control it.
So he's thirteen and he's going to divert.
Speaker 9 (25:49):
His whole life.
Speaker 20 (25:50):
Well, they came for healing the school and they went
into their one on one with the pastor Shannon.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
Pstor Shannon heard the.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
Situation praying for him.
Speaker 20 (25:58):
The next morning he woke up, he said, for the
first time, I was able to control my mound.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
With the bellow. Lord put muscles in for him.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
I won't make a thing come, I promise you. Oh,
He's got resurrection. How out for you right now on
this Wednesday? Oh h he Jesus day.
Speaker 21 (26:19):
Oh, I see your bank account even overflowing.
Speaker 10 (26:23):
Oh, I see the bank telling it you gotta so
we're too small for a bank to handle a little transactions.
I see you rob of God's healing. We had a
young man come to healing school.
Speaker 16 (26:36):
He'd never been a believer, and then he's like, I
need to come to church.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
So he comes to church and he gives his life
to the Lord.
Speaker 16 (26:41):
He receives Jesus Sunday, comes back the next week, gets
water baptized, and then here's about heating school.
Speaker 10 (26:47):
So then he shows up. He's been born again for
like two weeks. So one day he's like, oh, I
gotta go to the doctor.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
I gotta go get another blood test.
Speaker 20 (26:54):
I'm like listen, cancel next and come and stay, come
and be in eating.
Speaker 10 (26:58):
School to let the Lord touch. And he sat down,
and then I prayed for him and I cursed.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
I cursed as fill as he's in the blood.
Speaker 20 (27:04):
I cursed this thing of Jesus in you know, he
went back and got a bless us while the session
was going on, and there was no more STV.
Speaker 21 (27:13):
Life in your marriage life, and your body, life, in
your finances, life, in your job life, and your attitude
life in your job, you will ask definitely walked andything
done for you.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
One more time. Want to lift those hands. Thank you.
Speaker 21 (27:32):
You've been taking out today by your faith.
Speaker 10 (27:36):
You can take it.
Speaker 21 (27:37):
You can reach out and you can receive by your
faith reach out ever received by your face.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Left.
Speaker 9 (27:48):
My mom left, sayesn't you she was here for a while.
If you saw the woman and I hugged in the path, that.
Speaker 10 (27:52):
Wasn't my mom said.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
The woman I pissed on the head and someone made
clear was married to one woman, when that was my mom's.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Your mom should be sickened by you. You're a false charlatan,
you're a scammer, you're a liar. He's gonna get some
of you killed. If someone you knew were to ambush
Benny Hin at one of his spiritual conferences, like you,
what would you ask him?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I would want him to give me a representation of
the Gospela. A lot of these people I don't believe
can give a heart convicting truly biblical, accurate representation of
the Gospel.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
All right, Daniel, time to go ask Benny for some answers.
Best of lex, he's a liar aw security. You guys
are gonna get killed by his false teachers.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
Not quick.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
After trying to warn the sick people there of this
charlatan claiming to heal their illness, after buying a ninety
nine dollars ticket to the spirit Life Conference, I headed
to Chicago, Illinois to meet their guest speaker, Benny Hid.
Where Chicago windstorm is approaching. It is time for Benny's
judgment for real quick.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I'd be like going down the road.
Speaker 10 (28:52):
You fuck it.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
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Speaker 10 (29:15):
Goss people said on that you may be seated.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the world.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I know.
Speaker 9 (29:43):
How the man out.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
It's all right, no problems, all right, brother, calm down.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Well, I was getting the George Floyd treatment, fighting for
each breath. My cameraman ran for his life to avoid
a similar fate.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So we're gonna get into the scriptures, can we do
that now?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Only to get captured and beaten with his own camera.
Speaker 10 (30:11):
I was hit twice.
Speaker 22 (30:15):
I was hit twice with a golf cart, assaulted by
a person here. Then he tackled me and threw me
into the middle of a ractive road. And after that
they get beating my head, and then they grabbed my
camera and they were trying to delete the footage.
Speaker 17 (30:31):
Actively I just got hog tied, body slammed and tackled.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Pasha went running and apparently they clipped him with a.
Speaker 17 (30:37):
Golf cart and proceeded to beat his head in and
delete the footage.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
So things are not looking good.
Speaker 17 (30:42):
We are headed to the hospital right now where he
is and to make sure he's alive. Apparently they deleted
all the footage from the camera, so it's gone.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I've been trespassed. I'm headed to the hospital making sure
Pasha is alive. In an ironic twist of fate, the
church themselves beat the us from what it sounds like,
beat the shadow. So were the check in?
Speaker 9 (31:02):
I think temperate? Was video? What do they do? Ray
a golf course twice to die today?
Speaker 10 (31:16):
Roadway? Keeping my head like four or five people want me?
Speaker 9 (31:22):
Yeah, bet my head, ankles, knees.
Speaker 22 (31:24):
They hit my head with the camera.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Shout out the son of Bishop Dan Willis, off duty
cop Chad Willis for throwing me around like a rag
doll with his goon squad and given me the George
Floyd choked down and shout out this bald security schmuck
for trying to murder Pasha with a golf cart. This
video is by no means meant to be an attack
on faith, but rather a demand for accountability to those
who distort the word of the Bible for date on
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the biblically illiterate, desperate, naive, and poor to make themselves wealthy.
And in the words of Matthew seven point fifteen, beware
of the false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing,
but in inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
What they do is scriptural macaroni. So they'll grab a
verse here, a verse here, in a verse here, and
throw those all together and be like, see, if we
make that soup, that's who I am. So for example,
in Genesis too, it says we shall make them in
the image of God. So the creation of us. Big
issue that we have there is that they leave out.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Likeness, not exact replica one for one.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
But we're not like a clone or anything. We are
like God. We have the image of God.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
It's so clear if you just read it for yourself
without somebody else twisting it, without somebody's chirpicking one little
verse out of its context and holding it against you,
and realize that, hey, they've been lying to me the
whole time.
Speaker 18 (32:37):
God he is big enough and more than capable of
communicating what he wants us to know. Go back and
look exactly at what he said.
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