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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do cigarettes kill you?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
No?
Speaker 1 (00:02):
No, Indonesia is being massacred by cigarettes. A d Elam
first lit up when he was four, now smokes twenty
five cigarettes today and it's all perfectly legal. Making love
with your wife or smoking cigarettes? Which one would you
give up? Seventy percent of men are smokers, hopping thirteen
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cigarettes a day on average. They're the second leading risk
factor for death, with an estimated three hundred thousand people
dying every year due to tobacco. You but why do
over seventy eight million Indonesian smoke? And how did the
Marlboro Man conquer this country? I pulled up to the
capital of Chakato with my translator, John Ward to find out.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
No, we are at the biggest cancer hospital in Jakarayah.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
The name is not Mice.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
We're wondering how many facts of cigarettes do smoke a day?
I'm the six packs per day?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Whoa, okay, Yeah, he's had only one one day.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
One packaday for the last forty plus years.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Luigi, Yeah, I'm sorry one.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
What age did you start smoking?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Job guitars? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
To do blessed seven okay, not bad?
Speaker 6 (01:30):
YEAHR is sm none bless Yeah, I am smoking?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Does he have any health concerns for the amount of
smoking he does. Do you have any breathing problems or
lung conditions? Do you think you'll ever stop smoking? But
not much about not having the photos they put on
them make him nervous when he smokes. Do you have
any health concerns given that he smokes the back the day?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yes, okay. Do you think cigarettes are good for your health? You?
Are you concerned for your health if you continue to smoke?
Or no? Yes? Are you addicted? Have you ever tried
to quit? It's too hard? Yes? Does your family worry
for your health?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
You guys?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Do you think it's bad for your health? They're good
for your health. Why do so many men in Indonesia
smoke cigarettes so much? Press? Relief, anxiety?
Speaker 5 (02:52):
I don't want to stress?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yes, yes, he's happiness, He's good.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
You have to smoke cigarettes to be seen as masculine
and strong. And what was the reason to start? Do
you still feel like the nicotine high or do you
just smoke not to feel bad? Yeah? You witnessing a connoisseur,
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a master at work here. Is there any history of
lung cancer?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
He said?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Okay? Has he had any health complications due to smoking
his lifetime, and does he have any lung issues so
he neutralizes the effects of the cigarette with the warm water,
And does he know anyone who's died you to lung
cancer or does he plan to stop anytime soon given
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that his neighbor died While some of the smokers were
an outright denial us to the health consequences of smoking. Financially,
I wanted to know what percentage of his income goes
towards cigarette smoking. Thirty five percent of his income goes
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toward cigarettes. And while an average pack of cigarettes might
cost anywhere from a dollar fifty to three dollars, the
average income per day here in the city is twelve
to fifteen dollars, and according to the NIH, household cigarette
consumption has a negative impact on household's daily energy and
protein intakes. In simple terms, people are so addicted to
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SIGs they're prioritizing buying a pack overfeeding their families.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Is at deb at that time he can spend half
from his income fifty percent.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
That's a lot that must have been expensive. Do you
think that's too much.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Ons than I am.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
He's gonna light one up for us, show us how
it's done. Maybe one of the last cigarettes before Ramadan
A little wink, And what percentage of your income is that?
And given that eighty seven percent of Indonesia as Muslim,
the consumption of alcohol here is haram or forbidden. But
given that tobacco is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran
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or hadif, it appears that cigarettes here have become the
de facto vice used to relieve stress in this majority
Muslim country. Okay, it's smoking Haram's making mak He said
that mark is the islamik that you can smoke, But
it is better you don't smoke, because God will give
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you bonus when you don't smoke. Okay, God gives you
bonus if you're not a smoker. So you're missing out
on the bonus right now. You need to work towards
the bonus. But how hard is it to quit once
you get started? Do you ever think you'll quit smoking?
If the doctor said you'll die in one year if
you don't stop smoking, would you quit? He lives or
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dies by the cigarette if God strikes him down to
borrow it is God's will? Can you ask me if
you ever quit?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Got it?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
He quit the smoke okay.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
But no, he has no problem with the god. And
then he stopped smoking.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
If you had to give up your ability to have
sex with woman to continue smoking, would you? And what's
one word that comes to mind when he thinks of
a cigarette?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Stress begins stresses.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
If he made double the income, would he smoked two
times as much.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
That that?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Okay, good man? What amount of money would I have
to give you to quit right now? For the rest
of your life? You won't quit. He can't quit? Why not?
For young men? Have you ever smoked a cigarettes? Okay?
They do? You have the hole in the neck advertising
all smoking is cancerous. This is terrible for you. Kids,
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do not smoke. Roughly three out of every four men
out here are smoking cigarettes. None of them have concerns
for their health. Why is that?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I think that's a smoke? Can relist? Can heal their stress?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
The guy said that most people in your they smoke
because the stress in the office and with their daily
life distress.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
They smoke.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
One guy said five packs a day. There's a lot
of cigarettes. Do you Most of these people end up
going and seeing a doctor and they end up getting
lung cancer. Is it common to get lung cancer? Here.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
When they go to the doctor, they will become stress
monstress because the doctor will say, sir, you have cancer.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Wow, mostress, I see.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So they prefer cigarettes five feet away home, ten other
people smoking cigarettes. It is everywhere here. You cannot avoid it.
Why did you quit?
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Because then.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
If you were to double your income next month, would
you smoke more cigarettes? Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Man?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Work to smoke? Smoke to work? What a cycle? Seems
like a pretty damning cycle of despair and lung cancer
and a little bit of nicotine high and relief temporarily.
And even if you're not a smoker yourself, you will
face the health consequences of smoking. With an estimated ninety
seven million Indonesians exposed to secondhand smoke daily, including forty
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three million children, more than half of adult workers are
exposed at their workplace, eighty five percent of people exposed
in restaurants, and seventy percent of people in public transportation.
You cannot escape the damaged cigarette causes out here.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah you've got.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah said that marijuana.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Marijuana, Yeah, not the note because of marion marijuana CAUs
hist loss.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Interesting, Okay, maybe a little bit of denial, but uh,
fair enough, Thank you. Joe we have smoker, smoker, smoker, smoker. Hi,
it is harder to find a non smoker than a
smoker out here. John coffee a cigarettes. See that's a cigarette,
briend right there? Ask him if I can buy a
single cigarette?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I see one olt for me, my Cassie. How much.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
One only?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Okay? And how how many are in that pack? I see? Okay?
So I just bought a single cigarette for twenty cents almost.
I don't know if that's a good or bad deal.
Imagine you are so down bad under your last dime,
you go and buy a single cigarette if you can't
afford a full pack. That is addiction. We'll keep this
from now for scientific purposes. Siggs Siggs. Cigarette right here, right,
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cigarette right here right. This would be a tough place
to avoid secondhand smoke. No doubt smoking bad, but especially
if you're a woman out here in Indonesia.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Yes, because smoking can plus the popper with the peg.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Nancy, I see, Well, nearly every dude out here had
a cigarette. I wanted to hear from the elusive three
to five percent of women who do smoke out here.
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Thanks Morgan and Morgan. Back to Indonesia. The female smoker
is a rare unicorn out here. I'm sure they exist,
perhaps behind closed doors. Cigarette box right there, light all
right here. It's so deeply ingrained in the culture, it's inseparable.
We're really doing a full backtrack right now, looking for
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the elusive female smoker. Smoke everywhere. We have a favor
right here. We're trying to find a female smoker. Okay,
we've noticed it's extremely hard to find a female smoker
in Indonesia. Why do so few women smoke?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
It's not it's not hard to find females.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Hard Yeah, what what is the stigma for a woman
who smokes? Do you think that's fair? You guys, you
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want to hit a head of vabe.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
When you're gonna have obviously?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, we just filmed for an hour, came back. Everyone's
still smoking. I got see I am I to you
like I see by my same guys. Now, be honest
with me. Are you gonna spend that on cigarettes? Ay? Yeah, yay.
The man while he pushed the cart, he's doing some
cardio while he hits the smoke. We made it to
the bus stop. If you look over here, all the
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drivers are taking their smoke break. What age did you
start smoking that?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Is start to smoke.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I see how many packs a day? Does he know
anyone who's died due to lung cancer or mesa or
skin cancer, that sort of thing. Do you think you'll
ever quit?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Smoke over there, Smoke over there. Smoker, smoker, smoker, smoker
right there. Combine all the smog with the smokes. It's
pretty deadly out here. What percentage of your income goes
towards cigarettes? If you have to get rid of one thing,
making love with your wife or smoking cigarettes, which one
would you give up? Okay? You would give up sex
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to continue smoking. Did he buy that cigarette individually?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
When he has money? He will buy one pack?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Hole when he has no money, only one?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Okay? Do you think it's good for your health or
bad for your health? Did you see, hey, that is
his last cigarette? He will chair as ship at a
certain point. Is the stress created by not having the
cigarette in the first place? A sort of Chicken or
the egg scenario in which you become stressed without the cigarette,
you use the cigarette to relieve the stress becomes an
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infinite cyclical loop where one causes the other and the
other causes the other.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yes, because for some one smokers when they smoke. They
can really stress. But we'd smoked, they can create another problem.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
One thing I am happy about. Though. You may see
a ton of people smoking cigarettes, you don't see a
ton of fennel attics bent over dying in real time
on the streets. Cigarettes. Oh look, look, look, look, big
boy right here, super premium. Look at those photos too. Geez,
we're gonna have to pixelate these for the YouTube video.
But this is a brutal imagery. I'd be smoking like
a dog out here. Unfortunately, you become a victim of
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your environment out here, and everyone here is adapting to
the environment which loves to smoke. You've got everyone in
their mothers smoking right now, five o'clock, rush hour, long
day after work. Open the pack, take a hit, smoke
some STIGs. Relieve the stress. There's crazy traffic, it's loud,
it's hot. I can imagine a sig would be quite
relieving right now. In fact, last week I tried my
first cigarette after the popu in jungle. Let me tell
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you it felt good. It really did. I hate to
say it. I get why people smoke. Well. Cigarettes are
everywhere in big cities like Jakarta, slowly killing their loyal addicts.
They have an even more complicated relationship in the countryside
of places like East Java, where major cigarette man manufacturers
like Gudan Garram and PT Sampurna produce Indonesia's beloved cretect
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cigarettes that dominate ninety five percent of the market. Behind
me is the sam Parana factory. This is where they
make the famous cretects, the cigarettes. Everyone here loves to smoke.
Just to show the sheer quad sty we got cigarette
cigarette cigarettes, cigarettes. I saw a Marlborough branded cigarette. Third cage.
We're headed to a tobacco processing plant as we speak.
I'm gonna try to speak to some farmers, maybe the
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boss see how much these farmers are actually making and
witness the processing in person. HI question for you, Ah, Rice,
Oh tobacco, go back? Can I Okay, we found tobacco.
I'm gonna say, if you can show me a tobacco
farmer right now or give you one hundred thousand more rupees,
I need you to guide me there while we're driving
car behind.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I think he's gonna.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Come real quick, but I'd be like going down the road.
You fuck it.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
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follow him? He's gonna tell our driver where to go.
We're gonna meet some farmers. I presume he knows people
in the area we're about to find out. And look
to your left. It is not officially dry season. It
is rainy season, so they're growing other crop alternatives. Meanwhile,
I see we're gonna meet some farmers right now. I
hope he's cool with us coming in barging in like this. Hello,
is tobacco farming profitable? Do you ever lose money farming tobacco? Okay?
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Have you ever gotten sick from the nicotine while farming tobacco? Williams,
do you own this farm?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Tobacco?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Do you smoke cigarettes? If so, how many packs a day? Oh? Tobacco,
He showed me tobacco. Oh, we have tobacco. Okay, there
it is, and he is rolling a cigarette right now,
and look to his left. He has a cigarette rolling.
This is the culture out here. It's not tobacco farming season.
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But everyone's got a bag of tobacco out here, it seems.
And he just rolled his own cigarettes and now he
will smoke. Cassi, can you roll one for me? Can
you roll one for me? One for me? Okay? Oh
for me? Like Cassie, we got our own bag of tobacco.
Can you roll me one? Okay? It's terrible for your health.
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Do not smoke, kids, But I gotta try one of
these while my new friend rolls my cigarette. How much
do the farm hands make working on these tobacco farms?
How is work as a tobacco farmer during the tobacco season?
Is it difficult or easy?
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, yay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Okay, okay okay. How much do you make as a
tobacco farmer during the tobacco season each day? There's basically
everyone here work in the tobacco farms during the tobacco season. Yeah. Everyone.
Does the work pay well? Or do they keep you
poor goose? Okay? If it pays well, does it pay
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more than the other crops? You could help grow That
guy's in the water smoking a cigarette right now, they're
building a wall, But when tobacco is back in season,
they will all be helping grow it, they said. They
make good money out here growing tobacco, and basically two
times as much as the other crops, and people here
in the countryside seem to be in more denial regarding
the negative health consequences of this cash crop that fuels
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their local economy out here? Do cigarette kill you? No?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
No?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Do you think smoking is good for your health or
bad for your health? Had they thought that was a vape?
For surely our cigarettes good for your health?
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Wait? Wait?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, yeah, wait, okay.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Do that bike that I am?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
No smoking?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
No smoking? Okay, you're the first guy here i've met
no smoke. Okay, good for your health or bad bugos?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
What we've learned is a lot of people don't think
cigarettes are bad for them, and those people just so
happen to be involved in the tobacco farming industry. If
you were a lung doctor, you'd never have time off
out here. Our cigarettes good for your health or bad
for your health?
Speaker 7 (20:50):
Okay, yeah, I'm gonna tell yeah, but I'll go into Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Okay, okay, I see all uh. And then the farmer
who gave me tobacco brought me out back to show
how the tobacco has grown and cut. We found tobacco. Okay,
so this is the tobacco plant right here. He's pulling
out the machine for us. Wow, so this is a
tobacco cutting machine. We're gonna take this tobacco and cut
it right now to show the process. They get this toll.
How long will that take? Forty days? About two months?
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It'll be this tall. He says. Tobacco makes three times
the income of other crops. Wow, okay, that's a lot
of money. Our boy here has folded us a nice
tobacco leaf. I gotta ask him. Do you love a
good cigarette?
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Ya?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Do you ever worry about your health given the amount
of exposure you have to nicotine and tobacco plants?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeadisha unlocked?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
There do you think tobacco is good for your health?
You want? And there it is, the freshly cut dang
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all natural local cigarette countries like the United States don't
smoke nearly as much. We struggle with our own opioidademic
with drugs like ventyls zombifying Americans in every major city,
but Indonesia seems to handle the stress and difficulty of
life in their own problematic and deadly way, and through
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a combination of unique cultural, religious, and economic factors, cigarettes
have become king here. Hopefully, one day that might change